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| 00:51.30 | Neffi | Anyone know of a good program for taking screenshots of fullscreen DX9 applications? Skyrim's screenshot mechanism is broken on my GPU (known issue, no fix) and a Google search for this only turns up a bunch of answers on how to take screenshots of the desktop |
| 00:51.50 | TC-Work | Wont greenshot do it? |
| 00:52.18 | foxlit | <Frame name="Foo"><Frames><Frame name="$parentBaz" parent="Bar" /></Frames></Frame> << FooBaz or BarBaz? |
| 00:52.22 | Kesava | ... printscreeeeen? |
| 00:54.05 | Neffi | Kesava: Does Windows' Print Screen even work for fullscreen DX9 apps? Anyway, Skyrim.exe is capturing the key, so that's a no go. TC-Work: I'll try it, thanks |
| 00:54.06 | nebula169 | Neffi: dropbox (with share screenshots enables) + alt+printscreen is what i typically use |
| 00:54.37 | Kesava | Neffi: yes, and it doesn't matter if the app captures it, windows will (generally) still capture it |
| 00:54.44 | Kesava | too* |
| 00:54.52 | Neffi | Tested that, and it indeed does not capture it |
| 00:55.05 | nebula169 | oh, true fullscreen, eh |
| 00:55.06 | TC-Work | I bet if you launch skyrim through steam, you can use steams overlay to take a screen cap as well |
| 00:55.06 | Kesava | i see |
| 00:56.27 | Neffi | TC-Work: Doesn't seem to work either, actually |
| 00:56.41 | nebula169 | what about something like fraps? |
| 00:57.24 | TC-Work | Neffi: That's not right. I have done it before in full screen games when I did not want to. |
| 00:57.28 | Neffi | Well I don't have a license key for Fraps |
| 00:57.50 | TC-Work | Could it be a mod for skyrim? |
| 00:57.54 | Neffi | this is what screenshots look like https://cdn.mediacru.sh/xunga-eaeDzA.png |
| 00:58.15 | TC-Work | Well, at least it is artistic. |
| 00:58.15 | Neffi | Normal mods don't have access to the framebuffer! And no, it's not any .DLL being loaded via SKSE doing it |
| 00:58.22 | Neffi | Happens with no mods |
| 00:58.43 | TC-Work | Does it happen with any fullscreen app? |
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| 00:58.59 | Neffi | Just Skyrim |
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| 00:59.26 | Neffi | It's a known issue. Many people have reported it, and nobody ever finds a solution. You'll see forum threads about it everywhere if you search |
| 00:59.54 | Neffi | In fact, the threads date all the way back to Morrowind. It's an engine issue that's never been found by them |
| 01:02.42 | TC-Work | But it doesn't happen for everyone right? |
| 01:03.00 | Neffi | Nope |
| 01:03.28 | Neffi | It's a rare enough issue that nobody has really investigated the cause, so no luck |
| 01:03.35 | Stanzilla | Neffi: fraps |
| 01:04.22 | Stanzilla | normally I use ShareX for screenshots but fullscreen it can't do |
| 01:09.45 | Neffi | ah, free Fraps has unhindered screenshots. and they work. awesome, thanks |
| 01:11.50 | nebula169 | foxlit: whats the result of that? FooBaz reparented to Bar? |
| 01:12.17 | foxlit | I haven't tested. |
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| 01:38.09 | Kraps | Hello Ertis, |
| 01:38.10 | Kraps | We at TankSpot would like to wish you a happy birthday today! |
| 01:38.12 | Kraps | HEH |
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| 01:42.29 | fewyn | i get like |
| 01:42.34 | fewyn | hundreds of those on my birthday |
| 01:46.40 | foxlit | time to change your birthday to february 29th. |
| 01:47.13 | foxlit | (for bonus points, in a year that has no feburary 29th. I wonder if that's something that validation will catch) |
| 01:47.39 | kd3|hate`net | the bigger test is even being able to claim feb 29 in most systems |
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| 02:24.41 | infamousX | Sorry about the ghost, still haven't figured out xchat yet. |
| 02:27.20 | infamousX | btw Seerah, thanks for that suggestion in my help thread! I didn't think of that, but it's a really good idea. |
| 02:28.40 | Seerah | There's a good reason why you see so many of several types of addons. ;) |
| 02:29.08 | Seerah | Now, you don't have to upload it if you don't want to. But just because Phanx said "don't do it", doesn't mean you have to listen to her :) |
| 02:30.27 | infamousX | I won't upload anything unless there's no standalone addon already created for the purpose, unless I feel there's a big enough difference in features, etc. |
| 02:30.46 | infamousX | But as you said, that doesn't mean I can't create one to learn! |
| 02:42.06 | Gnarfoz | good idea if I ever heard one: don't listen to Phanx |
| 02:42.17 | nebula169 | phanx is a cruel mistress |
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| 03:51.49 | infamousX | Phanx means well :D |
| 04:00.11 | Thunder_Child_ | So does the US Government.... |
| 04:00.33 | Constie | Coincidence, or more? |
| 04:01.18 | Constie | Have you ever seen Phanx and Obama in the same room at the same time? |
| 04:01.30 | Thunder_Child_ | Point |
| 04:09.45 | infamousX | Comparing Phanx to the US Government lol ;P |
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| 05:13.12 | infamousX | Would it be best to download one of those auto repair addons and look at the code to see what's going on, or should I try to build my own from scratch? |
| 05:16.44 | Constie | I think if you want to learn as much as possible you should try your own from scratch and then when you've got it working look at someone else's. |
| 05:18.07 | infamousX | Awesome. Full day of trying to figure it out tomorrow then :P thanks for the suggestion, Constie! |
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| 05:53.57 | Shirik | trying to figure out how regional buses work in simcity; found this gem |
| 05:54.02 | Shirik | "It's quite a phenomenon, you need to study the hive-mind mentality of locusts to understand bus behavior in SimCity. Buses from other cities in the region will flood your city without warning or mercy. They will occupy all your streets, clog traffic up and consume all of your poor unsuspecting Sims. There is nothing you can do to stop them, you can't fight them, you can't reason with them, you can't bribe them to |
| 05:54.02 | Shirik | leave you alone. They will come, and they will destroy." |
| 05:54.07 | infamousX | Will let you guys know how I do tomorrow with that first addon. For now going to bed :D good night |
| 05:54.58 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: That's awesome. |
| 05:55.55 | Shirik | I'm also trying to figure out how I have -6000 $/hr but my money is constantly going up (and I'm at $1 million right now) |
| 05:56.40 | Thunder_Child | I can't remember if non constant things like gambling and hotels show up on that list. |
| 05:58.56 | Neffi | if it's not SimCity 3000 then you're doing it wrong, Shirik |
| 05:59.07 | Shirik | no, simcity 2000 was the best |
| 05:59.10 | Shirik | but I don't have it anymore |
| 05:59.13 | Shirik | also, simtower |
| 05:59.16 | Shirik | which I also don't have anymore |
| 05:59.19 | Neffi | omg, simtower |
| 05:59.28 | Neffi | that game was awesome and infuriating |
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| 05:59.57 | Thunder_Child | I have sim tower on floppy. |
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| 06:07.02 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 06:07.09 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 06:07.23 | Fisker | Who were you going to go to blizzcon with? |
| 06:07.50 | Shirik | a no-name vendor that doesn't exist anymore :P |
| 06:08.01 | Fisker | k |
| 06:08.11 | Fisker | no-name solutions inc.? |
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| 06:30.56 | Torhal | takes Fisker's name away. |
| 06:31.11 | Fisker | Why? |
| 06:31.23 | Torhal | Shit. I don't have an actual answer for that. |
| 06:31.29 | Fisker | Good |
| 06:31.31 | Torhal | gives no-name his name back. |
| 06:31.40 | Fisker | keeps his name |
| 06:31.54 | Fisker | I miss Iriel |
| 06:32.17 | Torhal | I don't understand why you're shooting at him to begin with. |
| 06:32.42 | Fisker | I miss you |
| 06:34.04 | Fisker | But I won't when I go to blizzcon |
| 06:35.24 | Fisker | Do you understand Torhal ? |
| 06:36.10 | Torhal | I'll duck a lot. |
| 06:36.29 | Fisker | Why not goose instead? |
| 06:36.50 | Torhal | People have the tendency to become angry when goosed. |
| 06:37.09 | Fisker | Good you'll need it |
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| 06:50.27 | infamousX | erm, quick question before I go back to "bed" - my SLDT won't allow me to use the dropdown menu for any fonts. anyone have a clue as to why? |
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| 08:03.12 | Constie | Does the PTR client usually take a long time to load (as in even just start up), or is it just because I don't have it on my SSD? |
| 08:03.49 | nevcairiel | the beta client at least isnt any slower than live for me |
| 08:19.00 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/8zc0nJV.jpg oh, the humanity |
| 08:47.04 | zenzelezz | Neffi: ... |
| 08:48.39 | Neffi | <_< |
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| 10:24.41 | Industrial | I have a problem :( |
| 10:24.52 | Industrial | I've displaced some BoA's |
| 10:24.52 | Fisker | oh no |
| 10:25.04 | Industrial | I have no clue which char has them, where :( |
| 10:25.10 | Fisker | :( |
| 10:25.14 | nevcairiel | well, you will have to delete your account then |
| 10:25.18 | nevcairiel | there is no coming back from this |
| 10:25.18 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 10:25.47 | Industrial | :p |
| 10:25.51 | Fisker | It's not like there's addons that allow you to aggregate the contents of your inventory and search through it |
| 10:26.11 | Sharparam | someone should make an addon for that |
| 10:26.17 | Sharparam | with some clever name, like "Altoholic" |
| 10:26.29 | nevcairiel | every better bag addon has features like this already |
| 10:26.37 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 10:26.41 | Fisker | I agree with nevcairiel |
| 10:27.04 | nevcairiel | i shall mark this day for all eternity |
| 10:27.06 | Fisker | Sharparam probably a shill |
| 10:27.10 | Sharparam | i like the completeness of altoholic though, not just bag contents. |
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| 11:15.35 | karl_w_w | i lost a couple of my heirlooms as well |
| 11:15.57 | karl_w_w | I never did find them |
| 11:16.11 | karl_w_w | even though I have arkinventory |
| 11:27.04 | foxlit | I've discovered the bestest thing: wow's XML interpreter is mostly case-insensitive. |
| 11:27.27 | zenzelezz | I don't like the sound of "mostly" |
| 11:27.38 | nevcairiel | and i guess thats a good thing for your evil lans? |
| 11:27.41 | nevcairiel | plans* |
| 11:28.15 | foxlit | no, it's horrible, because now I need case-insensitive comparisons for everything. |
| 11:28.32 | foxlit | But on the bright side, <UI><FRAME NAME="SHOUT AT EVERYTHING" VIRTUAL="FALSE" /></UI> |
| 11:37.34 | foxlit | so still getting 8A2 when trying to patch the PTR install. |
| 11:38.15 | nevcairiel | patch like what, from the old ptr? |
| 11:38.28 | nevcairiel | ie. 5.x ptr? |
| 11:38.30 | foxlit | yes. |
| 11:38.35 | nevcairiel | thats not going to work |
| 11:38.49 | foxlit | oh? |
| 11:39.15 | nevcairiel | if you do a fresh install it'll take the live data and migrate it over and then download the new stuff, but its not supported from an old ptr |
| 11:42.00 | foxlit | should I reinstall windows just in case? :) |
| 11:42.29 | nevcairiel | if you want to! |
| 11:42.44 | foxlit | did they actually kill the enGB locale? |
| 11:42.50 | nevcairiel | i thought they fixed it |
| 11:43.05 | foxlit | there's a conspicious absence of English (EU) in the list of langauges |
| 11:43.31 | nevcairiel | its called English (UK) in my client |
| 11:45.09 | foxlit | http://go-hero.net/i/lang.png |
| 11:45.40 | nevcairiel | oh in the installer, hm, who knows |
| 11:48.29 | foxlit | and by proxy in the PTR build itself. |
| 11:49.38 | foxlit | us/uk used to differ in ui localization; I wonder if that got folded into a single version or if they're just failing at publishing the uk version. |
| 11:50.05 | nevcairiel | were there really actual differences ingame? |
| 11:50.17 | foxlit | yes. |
| 11:50.52 | Fisker | hey foxlit |
| 11:50.53 | foxlit | see e.g. http://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/18291/Localization.lua http://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/18291/Blizzard_Calendar/Localization.lua |
| 11:51.33 | nevcairiel | URLs, i guess that makes sense |
| 11:53.26 | Fisker | Those hardcoded urls |
| 11:53.33 | Fisker | In 50 years somebody is getting scammed |
| 11:53.58 | Fisker | Who knows maybe even sooner |
| 11:54.01 | Fisker | or maybe not at all |
| 11:55.41 | zenzelezz | "Visit here for your FREE tier 67 !!1" |
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| 15:56.22 | Arrow|phone | Good morning everybody! |
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| 15:59.02 | Fisker | hey everybody but Arrow|phone |
| 15:59.09 | Fisker | but good morning Arrow|phone |
| 15:59.33 | Arrow|phone | You realize I'll be seeing you soon right |
| 16:00.45 | Arrow|phone | Went out for breakfast before driving home and had to wait almost 30 minutes for a seat at IHOP |
| 16:01.04 | Fisker | It's alright Arrow|phone |
| 16:01.18 | Fisker | I'm getting knifed at blizzcon anyway |
| 16:01.39 | Arrow|phone | I have worse than a knife now |
| 16:02.56 | Fisker | I'm not going to survive the knife though |
| 16:03.03 | Fisker | So doesn't matter what you have |
| 16:03.18 | Arrow|phone | Depends how you use the knife |
| 16:03.55 | Arrow|phone | I bet I only need one guess as to who is going to knife you |
| 16:05.02 | Arrow|phone | Torhal: its you right? |
| 16:07.20 | pompy | Fisker: you're going to blizzcon? |
| 16:07.27 | Fisker | yes |
| 16:07.31 | Fisker | It's not Torhal |
| 16:07.48 | pompy | :O |
| 16:07.50 | Torhal | Is what me? |
| 16:07.52 | Torhal | o.O |
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| 16:11.46 | Fisker | You are not the one Torhal :( |
| 16:12.40 | Torhal | Ok, got it. I'm not Neo. Check. |
| 16:13.02 | Fisker | No because I'm neo |
| 16:16.39 | Torhal | Whatever you say, Mr. Anderson. |
| 16:18.16 | Fisker | My name is Neo |
| 16:20.04 | Torhal | I'm going to enjoy watching you die, Mr. Anderson. |
| 16:20.14 | Fisker | But you watched the movie |
| 16:20.23 | nevcairiel | Torhal: can you tape it for the rest of us? |
| 16:20.31 | Fisker | :( |
| 16:21.59 | Torhal | nevcairiel: No pirating, nevcairiel. |
| 16:22.10 | Torhal | Wow, I need sleep. I double-pinged. |
| 16:22.22 | Torhal | blames Fisker for the second and third installments. |
| 16:22.49 | Fisker | does his superman thing |
| 16:25.08 | Arrow|phone | Time to drive home.... Be back later |
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| 18:32.19 | infamousX | Hello everyone :D |
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| 18:41.24 | Thunder_Child | I refuse |
| 18:41.31 | fewyn | no u |
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| 19:31.27 | foxlit | "Failed to parse XML in AckisRecipeList/Locales/enUS.lua" |
| 19:31.32 | foxlit | Dammit Ackis. |
| 19:32.48 | Ressy | o.O |
| 19:33.09 | nevcairiel | he used include instead of script for something? |
| 19:33.17 | foxlit | yes. And apparently, that works. |
| 19:33.25 | nevcairiel | just scream at him and screw supporting that |
| 19:33.34 | Ressy | no.. scream at Torhal. |
| 19:33.44 | nevcairiel | if in question its Ackis' fault |
| 19:33.52 | nevcairiel | his name is on the box! |
| 19:34.03 | Ressy | Ackis hasn't done anything for ARL in quite a while. ;) |
| 19:34.13 | nevcairiel | we all know that |
| 19:34.16 | nevcairiel | yet, his name is on the box |
| 19:35.00 | foxlit | I agree with nev; if something is called AckisFoo, it's an invitation to blame Ackis for everything in perpetuity. |
| 19:35.09 | Kaelten | seems legit |
| 19:35.12 | foxlit | also http://pastebin.com/eiNnzMsz |
| 19:35.50 | nevcairiel | lua doesnt do hex numbers? |
| 19:36.12 | nevcairiel | nah, it does |
| 19:36.15 | foxlit | er, cut off the complaint there; http://pastebin.com/SgBkGW43 |
| 19:36.38 | nevcairiel | i still dont get it |
| 19:36.40 | foxlit | lua's reference manual just doesn't specify a formal grammar that corresponds to the parser. |
| 19:36.53 | foxlit | the manual says "Lua also accepts integer hexadecimal constants, by prefixing them with 0x." |
| 19:37.06 | nevcairiel | and you thought that would be case sensitive? :D |
| 19:37.08 | foxlit | I naively expect a lowercase x. |
| 19:37.20 | nevcairiel | do all hex chars have to be lowercase too? :p |
| 19:37.28 | foxlit | no |
| 19:37.42 | Ressy | foxlit: Just a headsup.. |
| 19:37.49 | Ressy | Constants.lua was completely redone for WoD. |
| 19:38.16 | foxlit | what's a constants.lua? |
| 19:38.21 | Ressy | nm |
| 19:40.02 | Fisker | I concede to you foxlit |
| 19:40.25 | foxlit | does anything still use xml to a serious extent? |
| 19:41.06 | nevcairiel | some addons do, yes |
| 19:41.09 | nevcairiel | but not very many |
| 19:41.15 | foxlit | examples would be nice. |
| 19:42.16 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh's WowLua seems to |
| 19:43.07 | nevcairiel | only addon i have that uses xml much |
| 19:47.17 | foxlit | http://www.townlong-yak.com/globe/#h:699b65a25e0a04082c45ad6eaa915a49-widgets well, looks sane to me. |
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| 20:01.38 | foxlit | http://www.townlong-yak.com/globe/#h:4d4ee32b64c1eef4d5aed00707c03c1b << found one. |
| 20:02.05 | nevcairiel | cant you jsut throw framexml at it |
| 20:02.10 | nevcairiel | its basically an addon! |
| 20:02.41 | nevcairiel | even has a FrameXML.toc, so it would work i assume |
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| 20:03.16 | foxlit | I broke the folder structure in the versions I keep locally; the paths wouldn't parse without scaffolding. |
| 20:04.15 | nevcairiel | well i uploaded it, and it seems to take a while to parse :D |
| 20:08.18 | nevcairiel | it finished! http://www.townlong-yak.com/globe/#h:d959d2ae530a552a7aa2d90c6e8cf779 |
| 20:08.27 | nevcairiel | warning, long page |
| 20:08.57 | foxlit | I need to do something about the section headers for those; they should float or something. |
| 20:11.43 | foxlit | ... and they still read _ |
| 20:13.41 | foxlit | nevcairiel: it actually crashed for a while there; the actual time to parse is ~5s |
| 20:14.23 | nevcairiel | you fixed it and recovered my web session? |
| 20:14.26 | nevcairiel | thats kinda impressive |
| 20:18.47 | foxlit | just reasonable checkpoints; there's no particular coupling between uploads and processing. |
| 20:19.00 | nevcairiel | the web thing polls then? |
| 20:19.48 | foxlit | yes. |
| 20:25.27 | karl_w_w | you know what I love? when a website has a button with text on it but only clicking the text works and the rest of the button is only there to waste your time |
| 20:28.57 | infamousX | for some reason on my main, my skada bars have a neat 1px border (with some code I input, internal border function doesn't work), but on my alt the border is all fuzzy. anyone have a guess as to why? |
| 20:29.42 | infamousX | config settings are the same between the two as well. |
| 20:30.53 | Semlar | are they at a different position on screen |
| 20:31.19 | infamousX | same position, same size. |
| 20:31.30 | Kemayo-cloud | ...that is far more of a change than I had expected to UnitGUID. |
| 20:31.42 | nevcairiel | yeah the whole guid structure changed |
| 20:32.04 | Kemayo-cloud | I'm not complaining too much. Less in the way of having to care about bit arithmatic. |
| 20:33.46 | Semlar | infamousX: i would screenshot it on both characters and superimpose them to see what's different |
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| 20:35.07 | Semlar | if they aren't at exactly the same position on screen the anti-aliasing can be affecting one and not the other |
| 20:36.27 | Semlar | or if the ui scale is different, but presumably you have the same scale across characters |
| 20:37.14 | infamousX | scale is same |
| 20:37.21 | infamousX | didnt think about AS but I'm checking |
| 20:37.56 | infamousX | AA* |
| 20:43.57 | infamousX | nope |
| 20:44.16 | infamousX | superimposed the images, no difference in anything but the sharpness of the pixel border |
| 20:48.29 | Semlar | well, you might try going into /WTF/Account/AccountName/RealmName/CharacterName/layout-local.txt and see if there's any difference for that window |
| 20:48.59 | tlund | hmm, "2x Bartender4\ActionBars.lua:7: Usage: EmbedLibrary(addon, libname, silent, offset): 'libname' - Library '121AceEvent-3.0-3' is not Embed capable" any ideas of what i managed to fuck up? |
| 20:51.05 | tlund | nevcairiel: I disabled the "AddonLoader" addon and received the error above. re-enable "AddonLoader" and it works again. |
| 20:51.24 | Semlar | possibly missing libcallbackhandler |
| 20:51.54 | nevcairiel | disabling addonloader is a recipe for disaster, if you dont want it, you need to delete it |
| 20:52.16 | tlund | ah. well, I do want it, but it is not PTR ready. sorry, should have mentioned, this is on PTR |
| 20:52.25 | nevcairiel | wow freaks out if it finds a LoadManager, but the load manager is disabled |
| 20:52.39 | nevcairiel | i fixed addonloader earlier, need to grab an alpha and it should work |
| 20:52.46 | tlund | nevcairiel: is the alpha on curse? |
| 20:52.52 | nevcairiel | probably |
| 20:52.54 | nevcairiel | on wowace anyway |
| 20:53.05 | Kemayo-cloud | Am I right in thinking that Blizzard has finally closed the tooltip-cache-scanning loophole? |
| 20:53.24 | nevcairiel | you fixing silverdragon or eh? |
| 20:53.34 | tlund | nevcairiel: seems i have r132 already. |
| 20:53.38 | Kemayo-cloud | It's what I'm looking at. |
| 20:53.39 | Semlar | setting the tooltip to a unit caches it |
| 20:53.53 | nevcairiel | he used the tooltip to check if a unit is in the cache |
| 20:53.57 | nevcairiel | ie. as a proximity check |
| 20:54.27 | Simca_ | yeah, it only works once |
| 20:54.35 | nevcairiel | well that was never different |
| 20:54.48 | nevcairiel | luckily in MoP and Draenor everything has a vignette now |
| 20:55.02 | Kemayo-cloud | Ooh, and do the vignette APIs reliably work now? |
| 20:55.09 | Simca_ | yeah |
| 20:55.17 | Semlar | it reliably returns information |
| 20:55.18 | Simca_ | but tooltip scanning for old world rares is dead |
| 20:55.25 | tlund | nevcairiel: I am getting "AddonLoader\Conditions.lua:166: Usage: GetAddOnDependencies(index)" with r132 on the PTR. |
| 20:55.30 | Simca_ | so you have to use target scanning which is meh at best |
| 20:55.50 | Semlar | nameplates and combat log |
| 20:56.09 | Kemayo-cloud | I predate the days of cache-scanning being possible (or at least discovered), so I'm up for this. |
| 20:56.35 | Simca_ | yep |
| 20:56.49 | Simca_ | and you may get a lot more users than before, since npcscan can't target scan |
| 20:56.58 | nevcairiel | tlund: maybe the ptr doesnt have the fix for the addon f unctions yet? works fine on the beta |
| 20:57.05 | Simca_ | so it is effectively useless for non-vignettes |
| 20:57.07 | nevcairiel | try again next ptr :p |
| 20:57.13 | tlund | nevcairiel: how can I check? |
| 20:57.15 | infamousX | Semlar: there are different frames between the two layout-local.txt files. None of them show SkadaBarWindowSkada |
| 20:57.23 | tlund | nevcairiel: ah, if you don't want to waste time, I can wait :) |
| 20:57.43 | Kemayo-cloud | I'll rename myself to "TimeLostProtoDrakeFinder". :P |
| 20:57.46 | nevcairiel | well addon functions were kinda broken last beta build, its very well possible that the ptr is still one behind |
| 20:57.47 | Semlar | infamousX: no frames containing the word "skada"? |
| 20:58.02 | Semlar | skada might manually handle its positioning in saved variables |
| 20:58.05 | Simca_ | lolol Kemayo-cloud |
| 20:58.25 | Primer | Hrmm, is there no way to get tidyplates to refresh dots without targeting? |
| 20:58.30 | Primer | i.e. mouseover? |
| 20:58.41 | nevcairiel | Primer: mouseover should be possible if they implement it, yes |
| 20:58.48 | Semlar | it can only detect mousing over the nameplate for the unit |
| 20:58.50 | Semlar | not the unit itself |
| 20:59.08 | Primer | So no, it's not actually possible? |
| 20:59.23 | Semlar | well, if it has the GUID for the nameplate, it can update the dots for the unit |
| 20:59.44 | nevcairiel | couldnt it poll mouseover for changes |
| 20:59.47 | Semlar | but if it doesn't have the GUID yet it can only work if you mouse over the nameplate itself, mousing over the unit won't work |
| 20:59.50 | nevcairiel | guess thats not very reliable huh |
| 21:00.05 | Primer | And that's all presuming it's actually implemented |
| 21:00.21 | Arrowmaster | i finally got the google voice in hangouts conversion prompt |
| 21:00.27 | Arrowmaster | somebody text me to test it |
| 21:00.48 | Primer | Semlar: I'd _really_ love a "static" name plate |
| 21:00.53 | Primer | ala boss frames |
| 21:00.54 | Semlar | >_> |
| 21:01.04 | Primer | As I had described to you before |
| 21:01.17 | nevcairiel | target and focus not enough, huh |
| 21:01.29 | infamousX | Semlar: no configurations that I can see in the Skada SavedVariables. Just information about my last encounter |
| 21:01.32 | nevcairiel | anyway its in theory even possible to do that |
| 21:01.42 | nevcairiel | just need to track the combat log for the shit |
| 21:01.51 | tlund | nevcairiel: heh, disabling AddonLoader on the PTR resolved alot of other issues with other addons :) |
| 21:01.51 | Neffi | Semlar already implemented static nameplates, then stopped mentioning it. Did you stop working on it, or are they breaking it in 6.x? |
| 21:01.52 | Semlar | Kemayo-cloud: http://i.imgur.com/Y9VhGJr.jpg found it! |
| 21:02.02 | tlund | nevcairiel: s/disabling/removing/ |
| 21:02.08 | Primer | [==== 2000/3000 ==== ] [cast bar] [12s] [10s] |
| 21:02.08 | nevcairiel | tlund: sounds like the addon functions are still broken on the ptr then |
| 21:02.09 | Semlar | neffi i'm too lazy to finish it because it wasn't that useful to me |
| 21:02.11 | Primer | the last 2 are dots |
| 21:02.17 | Neffi | ah, h'ok |
| 21:02.17 | Primer | nevcairiel: no, they're not |
| 21:02.25 | Primer | Not for an affliction lock in RBGs |
| 21:02.31 | tlund | nevcairiel: yeah. still waiting for beta invite :) |
| 21:02.36 | nevcairiel | Primer: if it works in the beta and breaks on the ptr, then i'm calling it broken there! |
| 21:03.05 | Simca_ | there are several RBG addons to show 10 nameplates, 1 for each enemy player |
| 21:03.32 | Primer | Simca_: you can't cast on them though |
| 21:03.33 | Semlar | player nameplates you don't have to determine a GUID for |
| 21:03.39 | Kemayo-cloud | Semlar: hah :D |
| 21:03.41 | Semlar | their names are basically unique |
| 21:03.47 | Primer | Simca_: nor do they track dots, cast bars, etc. |
| 21:04.13 | Simca_ | the one i use does |
| 21:04.23 | Primer | And that is called... |
| 21:05.42 | Primer | And don't say Battlegroundtargets |
| 21:05.42 | infamousX | Semlar: no configurations that I can see in the Skada SavedVariables. Just information about my last encounter. |
| 21:05.48 | Primer | because that doesn't do it |
| 21:06.25 | Semlar | infamousX: it has to be recording the frame position somewhere |
| 21:06.29 | Primer | Simca_: well? |
| 21:06.39 | Semlar | infamousX: i don't have skada so i can't check |
| 21:06.56 | Simca_ | I can't remember, apparently I don't have any pvp addons installed |
| 21:07.13 | Simca_ | it did cast bars, but I don't know if it did any of the other things you mentioned |
| 21:07.25 | Primer | You must be talking about Gladius then |
| 21:07.33 | Primer | That doesn't work in RBGs |
| 21:07.33 | Simca_ | ah, yeah, i think so |
| 21:07.39 | Primer | Only arenas |
| 21:08.06 | Primer | There are no native enemy player frames in RBGs |
| 21:08.36 | Primer | But yeah, basically I want Gladius for RBG |
| 21:08.48 | Primer | Semlar's plates is about as close as you can get to that |
| 21:08.51 | infamousX | Semlar: found it, comparing the two now |
| 21:09.19 | Primer | The trouble with the default name plates is that they move too much |
| 21:09.27 | Semlar | stupid nameplates |
| 21:09.52 | Primer | Ideally they'd be "static", in a defined position, sorted in the same manner BGT sorts, and faded if they're out of range |
| 21:10.05 | Primer | thereby having what amounts to enemy raid frames |
| 21:10.27 | Primer | I wouldn't expect to be able to track dots or castbars of enemies that are out of range, but would for the ones that are in range |
| 21:10.42 | Primer | All I'd ever do is just cast onto those name plates |
| 21:10.47 | Stanzilla | Kemayo-cloud: are you planning to do silverdragon for wod? |
| 21:10.56 | Primer | They enemy team would be so confused, because I'd never target anyone |
| 21:11.09 | nevcairiel | Primer: you can track that stuff based on the combatlog ok-ish |
| 21:11.11 | Primer | That's pretty much the case as it is now, since all my casts are mouseover macros |
| 21:11.13 | Kemayo-cloud | Stanzilla: Minus the cache-scanning, yes. |
| 21:11.19 | nevcairiel | casting on that however is another matter |
| 21:11.22 | nevcairiel | as you dont have unit ids |
| 21:11.35 | Primer | nevcairiel: I can cast on name plates just fine |
| 21:11.48 | nevcairiel | well they need to be very close to get a plate |
| 21:11.54 | Stanzilla | Kemayo-cloud: why? not worth it anymore? |
| 21:11.57 | nevcairiel | cast range is usually above that |
| 21:12.01 | Primer | nevcairiel: yes, I already covered that |
| 21:12.01 | nevcairiel | Stanzilla: they broke it |
| 21:12.02 | Simca_ | not possible any more, Stanzilla |
| 21:12.06 | Stanzilla | oh |
| 21:12.07 | Stanzilla | casc? |
| 21:12.11 | Simca_ | no |
| 21:12.16 | Kemayo-cloud | Stanzilla: Trying to check the tooltip for it adds it to the cache. |
| 21:12.17 | Simca_ | just a change to caching |
| 21:12.22 | Stanzilla | ah |
| 21:12.33 | nevcairiel | but its not vital anymore anyway, wod rares will all have a vignette as well |
| 21:12.59 | Semlar | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=295179#post295179 i made a post about this a while back |
| 21:13.01 | Simca_ | might be a bug, or maybe it was a bug that it worked originally |
| 21:13.01 | Kemayo-cloud | Really, I'm surprised they let it last as long as they did. |
| 21:13.02 | Stanzilla | 5 people in this channel that have their own rare addons now anyway |
| 21:13.03 | Primer | nevcairiel: I know they wouldn't operate like arena frames, but in theory I can get all the info I want from them, and use them for what I need to do |
| 21:13.23 | Primer | nevcairiel: I expect that I'd have to mouse over each "frame" to refresh, but that's fine |
| 21:13.53 | Stanzilla | should join forces! |
| 21:13.56 | nevcairiel | Primer: well except that nameplates are quite limited in what they can do, but maybe someone can hack it into some usable shape, even if i dont really expect it to work "good enough" for many people to want to use it |
| 21:14.25 | Primer | nevcairiel: Semlar has proved otherwise |
| 21:14.45 | nevcairiel | his proof of concept was no proof that its combat usable in a rated environment :p |
| 21:14.50 | Primer | Tidyplates already does cast bars and dot trackers |
| 21:15.27 | Primer | All I need after this are plates that don't move |
| 21:15.50 | Primer | and a consistent location for them |
| 21:15.59 | Primer | Semlar's achieved these last two to a certain extent |
| 21:16.41 | infamousX | Semlar: when I paste into the SavedVariables window and /reload, it reverts back to the old settings. Is there another way to copy straight over or do I have to manually edit? |
| 21:16.48 | nevcairiel | I'm just questioning if its good enough to rely on it for rated playing |
| 21:16.58 | Semlar | infamousX: you'll have to exit the game before making the change |
| 21:17.05 | infamousX | thanks! |
| 21:17.35 | Semlar | i found it confusing to try and use the "static" nameplates to attack units, but i also don't play a caster |
| 21:17.57 | Neffi | The game writes the current variables out to the file on reload, logout and exit, infamousX, so when you reloaded, it wrote over your changes |
| 21:18.29 | Neffi | If you absolutely must exit the game without it writing those changes, then you have to kill the process so it doesn't get the chance. Not recommended, though |
| 21:19.49 | Semlar | infamousX: you might try adding .5 to the y offset and seeing if that helps, if a whole number isn't working |
| 21:21.08 | infamousX | lol I accidentally erased all SavedVariables for my alt account :P |
| 21:21.14 | nevcairiel | grats |
| 21:21.34 | nevcairiel | guess the problem is solved then |
| 21:22.30 | Semlar | >_< |
| 21:24.49 | infamousX | welp, just copied over my SavedVariables from my hunter, works like a charm. thanks for the help! |
| 21:25.14 | Semlar | sure, next time i guess back up your WTF folder somewhere |
| 21:25.29 | infamousX | It's not an issue I had nothing on there I needed to keep |
| 21:26.02 | infamousX | If it had erased my main account's SV I'd be kinda upset but I have a backup for that one anyway :) |
| 21:27.13 | foxlit | do rated battlegrounds have a specific instance type? |
| 21:27.55 | foxlit | (or, alternatively: how do I tell that I'm in a rated battleground, preferably on PEW?) |
| 21:28.03 | Simca_ | i'm pretty sure they don't have a specific instance type |
| 21:28.33 | Simca_ | IsRatedBattleground() does what you want |
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| 21:30.52 | foxlit | any thoughts on the utility of, and the names in, [in:arena/battleground/ratedbg/instance/raid/scenario]? |
| 21:31.45 | nevcairiel | i would rename instance to dungeon, and add a lfr option, since its really not quite the same as a normal raid |
| 21:31.52 | Semlar | bg/rbg |
| 21:32.21 | Semlar | not something i would ever use in a macro though |
| 21:32.36 | foxlit | length is mostly irrelevant, so descriptive versions might be nice. |
| 21:33.21 | infamousX | d |
| 21:33.24 | infamousX | woops |
| 21:33.46 | foxlit | nevcairiel: dungeon sounds great; and now I need to figure out how to tell if you're in an LFR raid. |
| 21:34.02 | nevcairiel | GetInstanceDifficulty will tell you |
| 21:34.55 | Semlar | maybe a pvp/pve check |
| 21:35.37 | sylvanaar | Anyone here going for the iphone 6plus? |
| 21:35.45 | sylvanaar | I cant recall if the whole channel is Android or not |
| 21:35.57 | Semlar | i have a flip phone |
| 21:36.15 | sylvanaar | I know at least 80% of the channel is Android - but there may be a few Apple folks |
| 21:36.43 | sylvanaar | I can't decide. Do I really want a Phablet |
| 21:37.08 | sylvanaar | Will it fit in my pocket? Lol |
| 21:37.38 | foxlit | there was a printable cutout of a 6+ somewhere. |
| 21:37.48 | sylvanaar | Yes. I printed it |
| 21:37.53 | nevcairiel | its jut 5.5", its not that huge |
| 21:37.56 | sylvanaar | the 6+ is huge |
| 21:38.12 | Semlar | i've heard that 5.5" is average |
| 21:38.14 | sylvanaar | I laid my 5s down on it - it was so enoromous |
| 21:38.32 | nevcairiel | sylvanaar: thats because iphones are otherwise tiny |
| 21:39.32 | sylvanaar | Yeah, I suppose. My fiance has a Galaxy S4 I got him, and it is pretty big |
| 21:39.41 | Kemayo-cloud | I'm holding judgement until I can actually see one in person. I suspect I won't want to go above a 6, though. |
| 21:39.41 | sylvanaar | I think about the same size |
| 21:39.59 | nevcairiel | i think anything above 5" is too big to comfortably use in one hand though |
| 21:40.02 | sylvanaar | Yeah. I told work to buy me a 6, but i have to carry 2 phones |
| 21:40.14 | Simca_ | my phone is a potato and i am proud |
| 21:40.39 | foxlit | the 5s almost fits within the screen, eh? |
| 21:40.41 | sylvanaar | If I get the 6+ I almost want to sell my iPad |
| 21:40.59 | nevcairiel | i think you're overestimating the size :P |
| 21:41.04 | sylvanaar | Perhaps |
| 21:41.28 | sylvanaar | These days, I don't use the iPad much though. |
| 21:41.48 | Arrowmaster | my nexus 5 has a 4.95" screen and its fine in the tech pocket of my cargo pants, i doubt a 6" screen would still fit |
| 21:41.54 | sylvanaar | Maybe that is the solution. Sell the iPad, buy the 6 plus |
| 21:42.22 | sylvanaar | yeah, I could get the 4.7 screen on the 6 |
| 21:42.25 | nevcairiel | yeah the N5 is about the max size thats still comfortable to use |
| 21:42.39 | TC-Work | I have a 5.7" screen and it is not comparable to a tablet. |
| 21:43.04 | sylvanaar | The truth is, I don't use my tablet anymore |
| 21:43.22 | sylvanaar | But my phone is too small. |
| 21:43.32 | sylvanaar | So, I need something in the middle |
| 21:43.36 | Semlar | Kemayo-cloud: http://youtu.be/BjwS2RklXxs this might interest you |
| 21:43.38 | sylvanaar | That isn't too big |
| 21:43.58 | TC-Work | i have an ipad 4 and a surface pro 2, and I don't use either because I am always infront of a computer. |
| 21:44.22 | sylvanaar | Yeah, I'm either in front of a computer, or the phone is just easier to access |
| 21:44.33 | nevcairiel | Semlar: that 3d arrow is great, although it looks kinda funky because you see it from behind if you move properly :d |
| 21:44.43 | sylvanaar | Plus - apps on the ipad have become stagnant |
| 21:45.02 | Arrowmaster | the asshole outside my window scraping paint off the window frame without warning now has to put up with me blasting trance from my speakers |
| 21:45.46 | sylvanaar | Hey Arrowmaster, will I still be able to transfer that blizcon ticket to someone else, or is it mine now that it has my name on it |
| 21:45.47 | nevcairiel | just because someone is an ass doesnt give you permission to also be one |
| 21:46.06 | Semlar | nevcairiel: i've pretty much abandoned this design in favor of a HUD display that just shows an icon on the screen in the direction you should be facing to see them |
| 21:46.09 | Elmoe | anyone else notice that UnitGetIncomingHeals values seem total off on beta? |
| 21:46.53 | Arrowmaster | sylvanaar: i can transfer the ticket the day of pickup in person |
| 21:47.22 | Arrowmaster | sylvanaar: i basically have to show the credit card and my id and can transfer it to whoever is there in line with me |
| 21:47.23 | Semlar | http://youtu.be/Cw15tfO_PWc i like this design better |
| 21:47.57 | sylvanaar | Ah, I see. Well if you know someone who wants it let me know. I am going to go unless it is easy for us to transfer it. |
| 21:47.59 | Kemayo-cloud | Semlar: It's a non-trivial number of arrows! |
| 21:47.59 | foxlit | so that's [in:world/scenario/dungeon/lfr/raid/battleground/ratedbg/arena] |
| 21:48.09 | Kemayo-cloud | I assume just going off of vignette position? |
| 21:48.11 | foxlit | +worldpvp somewhere. |
| 21:48.20 | sylvanaar | I'll just leave my fiance at home - he'll love that :) |
| 21:48.39 | Semlar | Kemayo-cloud: pretty much |
| 21:48.45 | Arrowmaster | theres a post on the FB group of people with tickets still |
| 21:49.30 | sylvanaar | Ah, I am not too worried, I really want to go. But if someone else wants it - I am cool with parting with it, thats all |
| 21:50.10 | sylvanaar | My fiance's visa wasn't supposed to be ready until December. Go figure |
| 21:50.18 | Arrowmaster | ok then i wont post up publicly that i have one available but if anybody asks ill make arrangements |
| 21:50.45 | sylvanaar | Go ahead and post if you want. I don't mind parting with it. |
| 21:51.04 | sylvanaar | I just don't want to make you meet up with some stranger |
| 21:51.15 | Arrowmaster | i already am |
| 21:51.18 | sylvanaar | LOL |
| 21:51.41 | Arrowmaster | sold one of my extra tickets already |
| 21:51.52 | sylvanaar | Oh, well. Then go for it. |
| 21:52.32 | Arrowmaster | this might be more difficult though since id prefer to say out of the money transaction since ive already been repaid for the ticket |
| 21:52.42 | Kemayo-cloud | Semlar: Are you actually getting Z position from somewhere, or just moving it down towards the character as you get closer to it? |
| 21:52.57 | Semlar | i don't actually have the z |
| 21:52.58 | sylvanaar | Ah, ok. I'll leave it up to you. I am fine with whatever you decide |
| 21:54.02 | sylvanaar | Man it is hot in LA today - geez |
| 21:54.16 | sylvanaar | This better be the last hot day of summer |
| 21:54.35 | sylvanaar | I don't have A/C |
| 21:54.42 | Arrowmaster | the girl i sold the first ticket too wanted me to sign and email her a contract saying i owe her the money back if i dont give her a ticket, in this case youve already paid and can still come if anything happens |
| 21:54.45 | sylvanaar | Most people don't at the beach |
| 21:55.08 | sylvanaar | Arrowmaster: ok. I don't want to make it a hassle for you |
| 21:55.20 | sylvanaar | you did me a favor getting it in the first place |
| 21:56.01 | Arrowmaster | i wanted my $203 back for the extra ticket, only reason i put up with it, i can just tell anybody that gives me a hassle to fuck off now |
| 21:56.08 | Semlar | Kemayo-cloud: http://youtu.be/Zz-L6jk-ZX8 here's another one |
| 21:56.13 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 21:56.43 | Arrowmaster | sylvanaar: were you planning to come to the dinner? |
| 21:57.04 | Kemayo-cloud | It looks pretty good! |
| 21:57.29 | sylvanaar | I was. Yes. But the same rules apply kinda - I have my finace at home by then, and he wouldn't want to come anyways |
| 21:57.52 | Arrowmaster | he doesnt want a free dinner? |
| 21:58.01 | sylvanaar | Haha. I can ask! |
| 21:58.05 | sylvanaar | He likes to eat |
| 21:58.06 | Semlar | Kemayo-cloud: i'm trying to get all the chests/treasures into it in addition to the mobs |
| 21:59.33 | Kemayo-cloud | You're just going through and recording the vignette-name-to-actual-thing mapping? |
| 22:00.29 | Semlar | if i want the NPC ID i have to make a vignette-name-to-npcID table |
| 22:00.51 | Semlar | and if you're going to make a targeting function you'll need to do that |
| 22:01.04 | Semlar | because not all of the vignette names match the npc name |
| 22:01.22 | Semlar | plus you'll need the npc id for the model |
| 22:03.03 | Kemayo-cloud | With the GUID changes, have vignette guids picked up any sort of convenient uniquely-identifying ids? I seem to recall them lacking them before. |
| 22:03.11 | Simca_ | no |
| 22:03.12 | Semlar | nope |
| 22:03.28 | Kemayo-cloud | Woo localization, then. |
| 22:03.30 | Semlar | they're identical to the mob's GUID except without the npcID |
| 22:03.32 | Simca_ | they have unique identifiers in the db2s, but ingame is useless |
| 22:04.46 | infamousX | so is there any changes in WoD that will let us do some cool things we weren't able to do before? not exactly sure as to what, I'm still a noob at coding, just a question :D |
| 22:05.19 | Semlar | we can get the player position without using the map, so that's a plus |
| 22:05.59 | infamousX | what usage does that have and why was that an issue before? |
| 22:06.12 | Semlar | range radars are going to be a lot easier to code |
| 22:06.18 | Kemayo-cloud | is there a reference to what the various numbers in the new GUIDs mean? I could see the id at a glance, but haven't really looked at the others yet. |
| 22:06.32 | Semlar | http://wowpedia.org/Patch_6.0.1/API_changes |
| 22:06.39 | Semlar | i gotta go though, 23 skidoo! |
| 22:07.05 | Kemayo-cloud | That'll do it. |
| 22:07.32 | foxlit | so the garrison is a "party" instance. |
| 22:07.44 | foxlit | not sure how I feel about mapping that to dungeon. |
| 22:10.39 | Simca_ | could make an exception for the 6 map IDs that encompass the garrison |
| 22:10.44 | Simca_ | tthose won't change |
| 22:11.07 | foxlit | that's the plan, but now I have to find them. |
| 22:13.11 | Simca_ | unless they changed them, horde is 1152-1154, and alliance is 1158-1160 |
| 22:13.41 | foxlit | my level 3 alliance garrison is 1159 |
| 22:14.36 | Simca_ | yeah, they changed then. 1160 says 'level 4' and 1154 is also 'level 4' |
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| 22:15.47 | Simca_ | i think horde is 1152, 1330, 1153 and alliance is 1158, 1331, 1159 |
| 22:17.34 | foxlit | correct as far as alliance is concerned, at least. |
| 22:17.45 | Simca_ | http://i.imgur.com/uhXHq1K.png http://i.imgur.com/2kRtztJ.png that's what the dbc suggests anyway |
| 22:17.45 | foxlit | I wonder if it makes sense to have both [in:world] and [in:garrison] be true there. |
| 22:20.34 | foxlit | horde just doesn't work at the moment; it's not transferring instances. |
| 22:25.34 | Sharparam | who here was it that had played the swapper? |
| 22:27.06 | Sharparam | ah, karl_w_w |
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| 22:37.34 | foxlit | teehee, "You're not in this instance's group; teleporting in 5" -> "Transfer aborted" -> repeat. |
| 22:38.18 | Semlar2 | instance not found! |
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| 23:13.43 | Semlar | maps foxlit to dungeon |
| 23:25.21 | Elmoe | is there a way to query the base value and coefficient for spells? |
| 23:25.32 | Semlar | nope |
| 23:26.23 | Semlar | i'm not sure the formulas in the tooltips are even always accurate for every spell |
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| 23:30.11 | Neffi | Semlar: I think nowadays they are accurate. |
| 23:30.24 | Neffi | Of course just about every single coefficient is about to change |
| 23:33.21 | Elmoe | yeah I am trying to understand how they are changing the heal amount claculation on beta |
| 23:33.55 | Semlar | i know the tooltip formula is in one of the dbc files |
| 23:34.18 | Elmoe | before it was like heal = spellpower * coefficient + base but for wod they removed base healing amounts I guess |
| 23:34.57 | Semlar | http://www.wowdb.com/spells/2060-greater-heal |
| 23:35.26 | Semlar | http://beta.wowdb.com/spells/2060-heal |
| 23:36.06 | Elmoe | right no more base |
| 23:36.36 | Elmoe | just wondering if we can trust any of those tooltips for the spell power coefficient or if anyone has empirically measured them on beta yet |
| 23:36.57 | Neffi | I doubt anyone has bothered, since they're still iterating on tuning, so they will change |
| 23:37.29 | Neffi | But the datamined tooltips tend to match up perfectly with the subsequent patch notes, so you can probably trust them |
| 23:37.45 | Semlar | this should be pretty easy to test |
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| 23:38.40 | Semlar | something like healing touch is literally just 3.6x your spellpower |
| 23:39.36 | Neffi | on this topic, do amounts still vary a bit? |
| 23:39.56 | Neffi | eg, your spellpower is 1000, will it always hit for 3600, or will it vary between 3300 and 3900? |
| 23:44.14 | Semlar | the tooltips don't seem to have a range listed |
| 23:47.45 | Semlar | i made a shaman and it heals for exactly the number in the tooltip |
| 23:48.19 | infamousX | that's pretty awesome |
| 23:49.02 | Semlar | although not the amount that wowhead claims |
| 23:50.06 | Semlar | "344.405% of spell power" i'm assuming is 3.44405 * spell power |
| 23:51.03 | Semlar | i don't know if restoration gets a bonus on top of that or what |
| 23:51.16 | Semlar | you don't even have the spell if you aren't resto |
| 23:52.35 | infamousX | lol |
| 23:53.36 | Semlar | it looks like you have healing rain and healing surge if you aren't resto, but not chain heal or healing wave |
| 23:55.51 | Semlar | actually the spells appear to do different things based on your spec too |
| 23:56.21 | infamousX | different things? |
| 23:56.36 | Semlar | in resto, healing surge is identical to healing wave except it costs twice the mana |
| 23:56.52 | Semlar | in elemental, healing surge has its heal amount doubled if cast on yourself |
| 23:57.29 | infamousX | healing surge heals for the same amount as healing wave? |
| 23:57.41 | Semlar | it heals for the same amount but it has a shorter cast time and twice the mana cost |
| 23:57.48 | Neffi | Semlar: have you checked passives? alternate forms of the spell? |
| 23:57.57 | infamousX | interesting |
| 23:58.18 | Semlar | that sounds like a lot of work neffi |
| 23:58.20 | Neffi | infamousX: they want to categorize spells as either high throughput + inefficient, or low throughput + efficient |
| 23:58.49 | Semlar | i'm guessing it's from mastery |
| 23:58.54 | Neffi | so you'd roll the efficient spells, then switch to the shorter cast time (but more mana hungry spells) during spikes |
| 23:59.02 | infamousX | true but wouldn't that mean healing surge should heal for slightly more than healing wave? |
| 23:59.26 | Neffi | in a given unit time, it does because of the shorter cast time |
| 23:59.41 | Semlar | resto's mastery increases healing by x% based on the current health of your target, so actually nevermind |
| 23:59.44 | Neffi | and as ele it differentiates itself by being a stronger self-heal |
