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| 01:37.11 | Semlar | kd3: you have the wrong quest id for 'Escape pod and Nizzix\'s Chest', it should be 35481 |
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| 02:08.35 | Semlar | neffi http://wod.wowhead.com/item=117381 |
| 02:08.54 | Neffi | what the fuck |
| 02:09.57 | Neffi | that's kinda ridiculous |
| 02:10.27 | Trela | Within zero yards... So no effect? |
| 02:10.40 | Semlar | it's 15 yards |
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| 02:10.55 | kd3 | don't trust numbers in tooltips |
| 02:11.08 | Neffi | yeah, they're often placeholders |
| 02:12.02 | Neffi | I assume (HOPE) it's meant to be parsed as non-(player or player controlled) units |
| 02:12.29 | Neffi | Even still, one asshole that camps the rare constantly will be able to give his team an advantage. There's a mechanism for NPC reinforcements to help balance out the factions |
| 02:14.50 | Semlar | does food only give you secondary stats |
| 02:15.15 | Semlar | i'm not seeing any primary buffs from consumables |
| 02:16.37 | Semlar | http://wod.wowhead.com/item=118576 this seems to be one of the highest buff foods |
| 02:17.18 | Semlar | 50, 75 and 100 |
| 02:19.38 | Semlar | i was just trying to figure out what the panda racial was actually worth |
| 02:21.30 | Neffi | "you will become well fed and gain 42500 in your highest secondary stat for 1 hour." umm |
| 02:22.12 | Semlar | problem? |
| 02:24.53 | Neffi | hey Semlar, what should I roll? i'm bored |
| 02:25.08 | Semlar | a joint? |
| 02:25.18 | Neffi | no hope in dope Semlar |
| 02:32.11 | smcn | pandaren warlock |
| 02:32.24 | Semlar | pandaren troll |
| 02:33.40 | Neffi | ~lart smcn |
| 02:33.40 | purl | takes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down smcn's throat until smcn puts on 150lbs |
| 02:33.49 | Neffi | harsh, purl |
| 02:33.59 | smcn | can that happen to me irl pls |
| 02:34.12 | smcn | i want donuts |
| 02:34.29 | kd3 | mmm, donuts |
| 02:35.05 | smcn | that's from family guy right |
| 02:35.12 | Neffi | troll mage it is. thanks Semlar |
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| 02:35.33 | Semlar | can i get a portal to org |
| 02:35.43 | Neffi | what do I look like, a taxi service? |
| 02:36.08 | Semlar | is that a rhetorical question |
| 02:37.06 | Neffi | Semlar: http://youtu.be/EKRhxvmtass |
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| 03:06.08 | Kraps | Arrowmaster: how are you doing these achieves so fast |
| 03:19.23 | Arrowmaster | Kraps: im just playing |
| 03:19.34 | Kraps | heh |
| 03:21.48 | Arrowmaster | doing bounties |
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| 04:41.50 | Shirik | kd3 |
| 04:41.52 | Shirik | and other anime people |
| 04:41.56 | Shirik | I just found the best subreddit ever |
| 04:42.00 | kd3 | hm? |
| 04:42.09 | Shirik | http://www.reddit.com/r/tsunderesharks |
| 04:42.17 | kd3 | oh, yah, that's freaking hilarious |
| 04:46.20 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/U4LudCv.jpg i'm in a tree neffi |
| 04:48.27 | kullervo | wut, multiple markers with distances |
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| 04:50.18 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:50.48 | Neffi | how did you even Semlar |
| 04:51.02 | Semlar | neffiiiiiiii |
| 04:51.08 | Neffi | I love how your thing points out the hidden stash |
| 04:51.21 | Semlar | it's hiding |
| 04:51.55 | kullervo | Semlar: Firefall has markers with distances and the actual marker shows even the z-height |
| 04:52.02 | Neffi | god I can't wait til the gearing chances in pvp in WoD |
| 04:52.47 | Neffi | coming in with a new char at this point is absolutely terrible |
| 04:53.08 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:54.04 | Neffi | wat game even is this |
| 04:54.13 | Stanzilla | firefall |
| 04:54.26 | kullervo | Faufau |
| 04:54.51 | Semlar | wanna thump? |
| 04:54.58 | kullervo | too hammered |
| 04:56.38 | Semlar | i was just testing out how this would look |
| 04:56.58 | Semlar | it's probably overkill |
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| 05:19.55 | pompy1 | http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/09/02/hundreds-of-developers-are-fed-up-with-the-hate |
| 05:22.36 | kullervo | pompy1: if I were an indie developer I would make women literal background decoration |
| 05:23.27 | Semlar | oh god feminists |
| 05:24.07 | Semlar | don't they have something better to do than complain about nothing |
| 05:26.51 | Constie | I don't think anyone thinks they are complaining about nothing. |
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| 05:38.44 | Mr_Rabies | lol, that article's written by the Former senior reporter at Polygon |
| 05:42.27 | Constie | I don't think it's like super weird and crazy to think that if people are receiving death threats for criticizing games then there is some room for improvement. |
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| 05:44.14 | Shadowed | wat |
| 05:44.52 | Semlar | how come nobody ever sexualizes me |
| 05:45.05 | Semlar | NEFFI |
| 05:45.44 | kullervo | Semlar: because you're not hawt |
| 05:47.55 | Kraps | lmao Semlar shut the fuck up |
| 05:48.04 | Semlar | STOP OPPRESSING ME |
| 05:48.11 | kullervo | https://i.imgur.com/yuyrcgK.jpg |
| 05:49.20 | Mr_Rabies | plot twist: flash started the fire |
| 05:49.24 | Kraps | theres an enormous systemic problem with "gamers" and everyone is just jerking off at the mouth |
| 05:49.42 | kullervo | Mr_Rabies: notice the evil flash |
| 05:49.56 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, that's professor zoom/reverse flash |
| 05:50.02 | Mr_Rabies | i mean the actual flash |
| 05:50.08 | Mr_Rabies | and i think we all know how |
| 05:50.45 | kullervo | hahaahahaha |
| 05:51.20 | kullervo | I think my grin was so frightening that if a child saw it they would've started crying |
| 05:55.43 | Mr_Rabies | that reminds me, i still haven't picked up multiversity #1 yet :( |
| 05:56.15 | kullervo | the what |
| 05:57.34 | Mr_Rabies | it's a new dc comics series by grant morrison, part of a huge new event |
| 05:58.05 | Mr_Rabies | wherein some dudes travel between universes in an attempt to save the multiverse |
| 05:59.30 | Mr_Rabies | grant morrison is great at making crazy ideas make perfect sense, as long as you can get into his brain properly |
| 06:01.15 | Mr_Rabies | one universe is a bunch of new characters that are basically pulp fiction mashups of existing ones, another is "all the heroes killed or locked up all the criminals, and so their kids are all spoiled, vain brats" |
| 06:05.12 | Mr_Rabies | it's basically setting up the new multiverse, and they got the best guy possible to do it |
| 06:05.53 | Neffi | Semlar: sorry but I'm not touching this one with a ten foot pole |
| 06:06.43 | Semlar | i would touch you with a ten foot pole |
| 06:06.53 | Neffi | stop oppressing me Semlar |
| 06:07.15 | Neffi | you gotta admit most gaming communities are really shitty |
| 06:07.21 | Semlar | pole is my trigger word neffi |
| 06:10.30 | Semlar | i expect an apology |
| 06:16.36 | Mr_Rabies | semlar: https://vine.co/v/Ml0hirrZeTV |
| 06:34.00 | Mr_Rabies | oh man i gotta hang my art print i got at dragoncon |
| 06:34.15 | Mr_Rabies | this, signed by the artist: http://dccomicsnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Batman-Black-White-2013-002-042.jpg |
| 06:39.47 | Semlar | i like the idea of giving hunters a raid cooldown that doesn't benefit the hunter in any way |
| 06:40.16 | Mr_Rabies | the switch to hunters being the best buffers in the game was a weird one |
| 06:40.28 | Semlar | what, our one raid cooldown? |
| 06:40.28 | Constie | I'm in favor of anything that doesn't benefit Hunters. |
| 06:40.31 | Mr_Rabies | if you told me that in 2005 i'd be like |
| 06:40.32 | Mr_Rabies | WHAT |
| 06:40.46 | Semlar | how much less utility could other classes possibly have |
| 06:44.07 | Semlar | i'm just hoping our damage isn't too much lower than other classes |
| 06:48.15 | Semlar | apparently being mobile means they have to be tuned lower to make up for other classes losing damage from having to avoid things during a boss fight |
| 06:52.56 | Mr_Rabies | it's been a weird balancing act |
| 06:53.35 | Mr_Rabies | you're not really casters anymore, you're more like ranged melee |
| 06:53.50 | Mr_Rabies | since cata, really |
| 06:53.51 | Semlar | yeah, that's why i play a hunter |
| 06:54.00 | Mr_Rabies | so it's kind of a weird balancing act |
| 06:54.06 | Semlar | even when we had mana we were basically ranged melee |
| 06:54.16 | Mr_Rabies | i think one great solution would be reducing burst and DD significantly and focusing more on dots |
| 06:54.32 | Mr_Rabies | since extra mobility doesn't really increase damage output as much if you're doing more dots and less DD |
| 06:54.43 | Semlar | well, if they made the specs substantially different survival could easily be a dot spec |
| 06:55.16 | Mr_Rabies | i have an idea for beast mastery that i hope takes off sometime, i think i've talked about it in here before |
| 06:55.27 | Semlar | oh i have an idea, how about a move where i launch my pet at a target and it just sticks to them dealing damage over time |
| 06:55.44 | Mr_Rabies | basically a permanent eyes of the best, in combat |
| 06:55.53 | Semlar | like it'll just latch onto their head and claw their eyes out |
| 06:55.55 | Mr_Rabies | allowing for real tanking |
| 06:56.03 | Mr_Rabies | eyes of the beast* |
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| 07:00.18 | Neffi | feral combat is very slow and boring, and so is rogue when you take away the mechanisms that increase energy regen substantially |
| 07:00.51 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, feral really sucks in challenge modes, etc |
| 07:00.58 | Mr_Rabies | losing all that gained haste really sucks |
| 07:01.13 | Mr_Rabies | even if haste isn't a great stat for us |
| 07:01.23 | Mr_Rabies | it makes the combat so much more interesting |
| 07:01.30 | Neffi | they could make it like monks. spend focus to gain charges which you spend on burst attacks |
| 07:01.34 | Mr_Rabies | likewise with crit |
| 07:02.06 | Semlar | if it gets towards release day and my class is lagging behind in the damage department, i'll be rerolling the flavor of the month |
| 07:02.22 | Neffi | reroll on emerald dream with me ;) |
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| 07:08.06 | Mr_Rabies | hunters are in a weird place since they're trying to remove a huge chunk of the ability bloat that has come to them over the years, but too few abilities and you have too few things to adjust |
| 07:08.36 | Semlar | i'm looking at my hunter's bar from wrath and my damage abilities are kill command, steady shot, serpent sting, and multishot/volley |
| 07:08.57 | Mr_Rabies | no arcane shot? |
| 07:09.01 | Semlar | nope |
| 07:09.17 | Mr_Rabies | steady shot is such a crap ability but it does balance the burst out |
| 07:09.58 | Semlar | uh right now in a raid my hunter does all of his damage in the first 20 seconds and then might as well go make a sandwich |
| 07:10.02 | kullervo | Mr_Rabies: exept when used as an opener |
| 07:10.57 | Mr_Rabies | feral has great dps for like, a literal second, then it drops way, way down until you ramp up and get dots on it |
| 07:11.15 | Mr_Rabies | then you can still do good dps but you're working your ass off to do so once you're in ~500 ilvl gear |
| 07:11.27 | Semlar | stampede should just be taken out |
| 07:11.37 | Mr_Rabies | i don't really know how to fix hunters at all, i've got one and mine's just a confusing mess |
| 07:11.38 | Semlar | and then aaaall of the other damage should be raised |
| 07:11.51 | Mr_Rabies | hunters being a one button class sucked |
| 07:11.58 | Mr_Rabies | but so does the current design on 5.4 |
| 07:12.19 | Semlar | oh wait i do have arcane shot, it's just bound to Q |
| 07:12.35 | Mr_Rabies | arcane shot is the big reason you guys went to focus |
| 07:13.02 | Semlar | i hate the focus dump design |
| 07:13.36 | Mr_Rabies | i hated the mana design but the focus design still isn't quite right |
| 07:13.37 | Semlar | i preferred mana which may as well be an infinite power bar |
| 07:14.16 | Mr_Rabies | it'd feel better if it was like rogues and druids but then they'd need combo points, finishers, etc |
| 07:14.49 | Neffi | the monk design would fit better |
| 07:14.59 | Mr_Rabies | eh, it's just combo points by another name |
| 07:15.11 | Neffi | point-building fillers that are instant cast, burst dumps that use those points |
| 07:15.16 | Semlar | most of what i'm doing is shooting arcane shots to drain my focus bar and steady shot to refill it |
| 07:15.31 | Semlar | while waiting for a handful of cooldowns |
| 07:15.40 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, that's not a fun design |
| 07:15.42 | Neffi | Mr_Rabies: the distinction being that most rogue abilities that use cps, also use energy |
| 07:15.54 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, but it's really a fine line |
| 07:16.11 | Neffi | it feels different, if only superficially |
| 07:16.12 | Mr_Rabies | you get energy back too depending on spec |
| 07:16.16 | Dagmar | I wound up putting some touchtones in my powerauras config so I could stop having to look at that damn bar |
| 07:16.23 | Mr_Rabies | and feral does thanks to the 2pc bonus currently i think? |
| 07:16.27 | Mr_Rabies | i really will miss that mechanic |
| 07:16.28 | Neffi | I think a lot of it is in the feeling. And I quit hunters because solid or not, their combat doesnt feel "right" |
| 07:16.51 | Dagmar | I can understand that |
| 07:17.15 | Dagmar | The "burst" isn't really bursty... It's just really hard to stop hunter DPS |
| 07:17.31 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, it's not burst anymore because of the active burst control they've set into motion |
| 07:17.50 | Mr_Rabies | but it's gonna take some work to make it feel right |
| 07:18.01 | Mr_Rabies | a ranged copy of rogues, druids, or monks wouldn't work well either, imo |
| 07:18.04 | Dagmar | I think they need to add more guns, but that's just me |
| 07:18.16 | Semlar | i want rockets |
| 07:18.26 | Neffi | is your name quentin tarantino, Dagmar? |
| 07:18.54 | Semlar | we need a bombardment ability |
| 07:19.10 | Semlar | get rid of all these crappy talents |
| 07:19.12 | Dagmar | No, I just play a dwarf, and a dwarf with a bow is just too nelfy |
| 07:19.22 | Shirik | kd3: you around? I need your wisdom |
| 07:19.35 | Dagmar | ...not to mention dwarves and short arms. |
| 07:20.24 | Mr_Rabies | i use hearkitty, dagmar |
| 07:20.29 | Mr_Rabies | it's a great addon |
| 07:20.36 | Mr_Rabies | audible combo points are a great thing |
| 07:20.46 | Dagmar | Thats why I added touchtones |
| 07:21.22 | Dagmar | I used to spend a lot of time mucking about with DTMF systems, so I can easily distinguish 1 from 7 and A from D |
| 07:21.30 | Mr_Rabies | hearkitty works with combo points, chi, shadow orbs, holy power, etc |
| 07:21.47 | Mr_Rabies | DTMF? |
| 07:21.56 | Mr_Rabies | oh |
| 07:22.01 | Mr_Rabies | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual-tone_multi-frequency_signaling |
| 07:22.13 | Mr_Rabies | i'm just a band nerd, personally |
| 07:22.58 | Semlar | they need to replace exhilaration, probably iron hawk, fervor, a murder of crows and maybe powershot with talents that don't suck |
| 07:23.20 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, the hunter talents and glyphs mostly suck on live |
| 07:23.29 | Mr_Rabies | same with monk, tbh |
| 07:23.40 | Mr_Rabies | the feral talents and glyphs are mostly pretty nice |
| 07:24.07 | Semlar | and right now the stampede talent sucks |
| 07:24.17 | Semlar | blink strikes blows it out of the water for beast mastery |
| 07:24.47 | Semlar | so i can only assume stampede is for.. the other two specs? |
| 07:25.58 | Dagmar | It *used* to be good because it used to work with Bestial Wrath |
| 07:26.12 | Semlar | they're giving wyvern sting a cast time, too |
| 07:26.31 | Semlar | that's got to be a pvp thing |
| 07:28.35 | Mr_Rabies | i'm okay with cc having a cast time and/or activation time |
| 07:28.44 | Mr_Rabies | ranged cc at least |
| 07:29.04 | Semlar | they made traps activate instantly, which has been interesting |
| 07:29.21 | Mr_Rabies | whaaaaaat |
| 07:29.25 | Mr_Rabies | that's confusing O_o |
| 07:29.35 | Semlar | the instant you put that thing under a mob it gets frozen |
| 07:29.38 | Mr_Rabies | honestly, wyvern sting should probably go |
| 07:29.40 | Dagmar | Less confusing than useless |
| 07:31.14 | Mr_Rabies | i don't really think hunters need two ccs that are basically the same for most intents and purposes except the dispelling method |
| 07:31.21 | Mr_Rabies | and possibly cast time |
| 07:31.46 | Semlar | well lucky for you nobody is going to use wyvern sting because the stuns in that tier should both be more useful in pvp |
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| 07:32.13 | Mr_Rabies | they should replace it with something more compelling |
| 07:32.37 | Semlar | i wouldn't pick up wyvern sting if it were instant cast, let alone had a cast time |
| 07:33.16 | Semlar | maybe in the arena for some longer lasting CC |
| 07:34.14 | Semlar | although after the trap it should be down to 5 seconds anyway so binding shot would be the same duration |
| 07:39.04 | Mr_Rabies | yeah i haven't seen it on beta and i barely play my live hunter anymore |
| 07:39.12 | Mr_Rabies | so i have no clue what the fix is :( |
| 07:39.26 | Semlar | nerf. everything. |
| 07:40.52 | Semlar | i thought we were supposed to be able to tame hydras but so far i haven't found anything you can tame |
| 07:42.23 | Mr_Rabies | "This is a video game. there shouldn't be any "consequences". we should be able to do everything inconseqeuncially. thus we should be able to build everything." |
| 07:42.34 | Mr_Rabies | this line of reasoning is insane |
| 07:42.58 | Semlar | compelling argument |
| 07:44.57 | Gethe | Semlar: you can tame Chimaeron |
| 07:45.21 | Mr_Rabies | chimaeron isn't even a hydra! |
| 07:45.24 | Semlar | i saw an alliance hunter with one of the new hydras, but it must be from shadowmoon valley or something |
| 07:45.27 | Mr_Rabies | just classified as such ingame |
| 07:46.15 | Semlar | chimaeron is probably the only one i'd tame anyway |
| 07:46.24 | Gethe | yup |
| 07:47.14 | Gethe | i have Chromaggus as my Core Hound |
| 07:47.38 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:47.45 | Gethe | though the skin isn't unique anymore |
| 07:48.17 | Mr_Rabies | chromaggus also isn't a core hound! :p |
| 07:48.34 | Gethe | lol |
| 07:49.07 | Gethe | close enough |
| 07:49.25 | Mr_Rabies | neither is uh |
| 07:49.26 | Mr_Rabies | what's his name |
| 07:49.29 | Mr_Rabies | dogeface |
| 07:50.49 | Gethe | ah yeah "Dogeface" |
| 07:50.56 | Semlar | i don't recall that boss |
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| 07:51.42 | Semlar | i want to tame gluth |
| 07:52.16 | Gethe | that would be cool |
| 07:56.24 | Mr_Rabies | i'm talking about the lunar festival boss that has a similar model in the space goat starter zone |
| 07:57.31 | Semlar | the kruken? |
| 07:57.45 | Semlar | kurken? |
| 07:57.53 | Semlar | who knows |
| 07:58.34 | Semlar | he's just a fluffy core hound |
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| 08:13.52 | Semlar | also nether rays have bloodlust |
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| 08:31.50 | karl_w_w | ok i need somebody experienced at being an american |
| 08:32.16 | karl_w_w | when you swipe a credit card and choose debit, what happens? |
| 08:32.23 | karl_w_w | type your pin? |
| 08:32.51 | Maldivia | pin or sign |
| 08:33.14 | karl_w_w | i thought you had to use credit to sign |
| 08:35.26 | Maldivia | karl_w_w: https://www.usbank.com/checking/us-bank-visa-check-card-debit-card-faqs.html :) |
| 08:36.28 | Semlar2 | i've never signed for a debit transaction |
| 08:36.52 | karl_w_w | ah yes, "Once card is swiped, either choose Debit and enter your PIN or choose Credit and sign for your purchase." |
| 08:37.18 | karl_w_w | on a mildly related point, you can't sign in australia any more |
| 08:37.20 | karl_w_w | at all |
| 08:37.35 | karl_w_w | since august 1st I think it was |
| 08:37.51 | Semlar2 | meaning what |
| 08:38.43 | karl_w_w | meaning you remember your PIN or you're SOL |
| 08:39.02 | Maldivia | I've been using pin for 15 years, so |
| 08:39.15 | karl_w_w | yeah but some people have trouble :P |
| 08:39.25 | Semlar2 | it's 4 numbers |
| 08:39.26 | karl_w_w | mine is amazingly easy to remember though |
| 08:39.28 | Maldivia | that's what postit notes are for :) |
| 08:39.47 | Kalroth | or black permanent markers |
| 08:39.58 | Semlar2 | or tattoos |
| 08:39.58 | Maldivia | karl_w_w: easy? what is it? |
| 08:39.59 | karl_w_w | tattoos |
| 08:40.06 | karl_w_w | it's 4 numbers Maldivia |
| 08:40.17 | Maldivia | hehe -- worth a shot :D |
| 08:40.21 | Semlar2 | 0000 |
| 08:40.29 | karl_w_w | but there's a very simple pattern to it :P |
| 08:40.38 | Semlar2 | it's 1234 |
| 08:40.43 | karl_w_w | that's right! |
| 08:40.43 | Kalroth | signing is only ever used here if the terminal is offline, both swiping and signing had been dead for years |
| 08:40.55 | karl_w_w | I wonder if they block simple ones like that actually |
| 08:41.20 | Semlar2 | my debit card is also a credit card or something |
| 08:41.29 | Kalroth | i'm sure they do, karl_w_w |
| 08:41.35 | Kalroth | who'd want 0000 as pin |
| 08:41.46 | Semlar2 | i'd use it |
| 08:41.51 | Kalroth | of course, no thief would ever guess it |
| 08:42.08 | Semlar2 | crafty.. |
| 08:42.14 | Kalroth | "ok ill start with 0001 because noone is that dumb" |
| 08:44.16 | Semlar2 | so you're saying 9999 would be better? |
| 08:48.45 | karl_w_w | of course 9999 would be the best |
| 08:49.18 | karl_w_w | 9999 most secure pin number, proven by logic |
| 09:06.54 | Workfoz | my PIN is ******* |
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| 09:22.03 | Kalroth | my personal PIN number is my birth year that way i can always remember it usually |
| 09:23.31 | Kodiack | Your personal personal identification number number? |
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| 09:35.16 | Workfoz | how thoughtful of you to take that bait |
| 09:38.24 | Constie | look for all intensive purposes I could care less, you should of noticed how rediculous that was so irregardless its a mute point, per say |
| 09:38.58 | Workfoz | explodes |
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| 10:07.14 | karl_w_w | those critical intensive purposes |
| 10:08.14 | karl_w_w | also, irregardless |
| 10:08.41 | Workfoz | and all the other cringe-ness |
| 10:08.41 | karl_w_w | and you know, mute point, per say :P |
| 10:10.27 | Constie | Are you trying to say that some of that was incorrect? |
| 10:11.09 | karl_w_w | intents and purposes, regardless, moot point, per se |
| 10:13.32 | karl_w_w | it's also "I could careless" |
| 10:13.34 | Workfoz | while you're at missing the point of that sentence, there's also "could care less", "should of", and "rediculous" |
| 10:18.29 | nevcairiel | Should of is apparently quite a common mistake, but I'll never understand it, probably because I learned it writing not speaking |
| 10:24.19 | Kesava | one day in the future, the garrison ui will be fixed. |
| 10:31.37 | karl_w_w | should've -> should of nevcairiel |
| 10:32.09 | nevcairiel | I know what its supposed to mean |
| 10:33.00 | nevcairiel | I just don't know how you do that mistake, it seems entirely illogical to me, but like I said its probably if you've heard it before you write it or something |
| 10:33.21 | karl_w_w | they sound the same |
| 10:33.30 | karl_w_w | and people are stupid |
| 10:33.36 | nevcairiel | Not really the same |
| 10:33.41 | nevcairiel | Unless you talk funny |
| 10:34.10 | nevcairiel | Also, use should of in a sentence where it makes any sense |
| 10:34.27 | karl_w_w | you can't |
| 10:34.59 | karl_w_w | but of is sometimes pronounced that way |
| 10:35.59 | karl_w_w | I'm not sure when |
| 10:36.45 | karl_w_w | I must be tired I can barely use 'of' in a sentence right now |
| 10:37.35 | Constie | I'm pretty sure they're homophones or close enough to most Americans and Britons. |
| 10:37.41 | Kesava | my ofs are pronounced uv and should've is pronounced shoulduv |
| 10:37.55 | karl_w_w | yeah |
| 10:38.03 | Kesava | well there you go then |
| 10:38.26 | karl_w_w | of is pronounced as 've in pretty much all cases |
| 10:40.08 | karl_w_w | sometimes you take the time to pronounce it 'properly' but it's rare now that I think about it |
| 10:41.43 | karl_w_w | three've a kind, seventh've june, one've those please |
| 10:42.31 | karl_w_w | "what is the meaning of this" is a case where you pronounce it right |
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| 10:43.15 | karl_w_w | closer at least |
| 10:48.00 | nevcairiel | it sounds just crazy to me when i pronounce it like that in your examples |
| 12:19.16 | karl_w_w | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtuvFZz1Ij0 that's an actually good one VIad |
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| 13:12.12 | Fisker | oh wow karl_w_w |
| 13:12.14 | Fisker | Amaz got rekt |
| 13:12.31 | Fisker | 5 minions on board, guy plays tinkmaster and 1/1's his ragnaros |
| 13:12.34 | Fisker | lolo |
| 13:13.09 | Fisker | amaz's ragnaros that is |
| 13:18.34 | karl_w_w | lol |
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| 14:20.12 | karl_w_w | http://www.kdramastars.com/articles/35508/20140902/oculus-rift-consumer-version-release-date.htm maybe it's true! <- blind hope |
| 14:20.51 | nevcairiel | may 2015 could be real |
| 14:21.11 | nevcairiel | its still quite some time out tho |
| 14:21.43 | karl_w_w | but hey, if it's true I can focus on waiting instead of focusing on trying not to buy the dev version |
| 14:22.45 | nevcairiel | you can also focus on buying without an end date! |
| 14:22.51 | nevcairiel | eh, focus no waiting |
| 14:23.03 | nevcairiel | just buy other stuff, like me |
| 14:26.41 | Alram | arent kdramastars that site that makes shit up for pageviews, karl_w_w? |
| 14:30.13 | karl_w_w | probably Alram |
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| 15:01.43 | Arrowmaster | ~ping |
| 15:01.44 | purl | ~pong |
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| 15:13.14 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: we should boost that max level achievement again, missing 1 achievement from that game is annoying |
| 15:13.49 | Arrow|tablet | I never did it in the first place |
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| 15:36.18 | foxlit | http://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/18291/SecureStateDriver.lua#131 |
| 15:37.00 | Workfoz | that's a pretty line |
| 15:37.55 | End | gotta make sure that table is good and cleared |
| 15:38.45 | Fisker | It's a comment |
| 15:56.41 | VIad | WAIT |
| 15:56.54 | VIad | foxlit: unitExistsCache is always nil? |
| 16:00.22 | nevcairiel | Nonsense |
| 16:02.00 | nevcairiel | It's in fact never nil |
| 16:02.17 | VIad | it's empty |
| 16:02.32 | nevcairiel | Only after being cleared |
| 16:02.32 | VIad | I mean't empty |
| 16:03.04 | VIad | wonder why we wipe() and assign each element to nil inside :d |
| 16:03.35 | nevcairiel | Its just double clearing, that's why foxlit linked it probably |
| 16:03.59 | nevcairiel | The second loop does nothibg |
| 16:04.25 | VIad | jupp. there isn't anything to do :p |
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| 17:03.51 | kd3 | heheh https://twitter.com/BrandonPrry/status/499942718261710848/photo/1 |
| 17:16.14 | VIad | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:16.28 | VIad | otherwise I can't summon to sacrifice, then enslave another demon :p |
| 17:16.43 | Fisker | I get it kd3 |
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| 17:42.49 | kd3 | wow, that lightning strike was close |
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| 18:05.29 | TC-Work_ | kd3: Maybe you will get lucky and it will speed up your connection. |
| 18:05.56 | kd3 | that'd be a christmas miracle |
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| 18:06.09 | TC-Work | In September. |
| 18:06.13 | kd3 | yup |
| 18:11.42 | smcn | paint flames on the side of your modem |
| 18:16.20 | TC-Work | And down ever pole and line to the local box. |
| 18:16.23 | TC-Work | every* |
| 18:16.55 | foxlit | grumble at the spacing at the end of itemize :/ |
| 18:17.42 | Fisker | ungrumbles foxlit |
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| 18:39.34 | smcn | anyone know why i get kicked to the login screen the first time i try logging in to a character, it's happening on both beta and live |
| 18:40.12 | smcn | is it because i stepped on that ant in 4th grade |
| 18:40.36 | TC-Work | One hell of a butterfly effect. |
| 18:55.46 | karl_w_w | somebody remind me of the term referring to all the people seeding and leeching a torrent |
| 18:56.00 | karl_w_w | swarm |
| 18:56.02 | karl_w_w | thanks |
| 18:59.21 | Simca | also can be called 'peers' |
| 19:00.20 | Neffi | :O |
| 19:00.36 | Neffi | I'm like 95% sure I was just next to Zooey Deschanel in the store |
| 19:01.35 | Fisker | I disagree Simca |
| 19:01.51 | Simca | i agree that fisker is always wrong |
| 19:02.39 | Neffi | Simca: peers make up the swarm ;) |
| 19:02.48 | Fisker | :O |
| 19:02.55 | Fisker | Well they're still peers Neffi |
| 19:03.01 | Neffi | you're a peer |
| 19:08.43 | karl_w_w | what the hell Neffi |
| 19:08.56 | Neffi | o.o what did I do |
| 19:08.58 | karl_w_w | 30% would be enough to ask for an autograph |
| 19:09.18 | Neffi | She didn't look like she was in the best mood |
| 19:09.28 | Neffi | Plus she caught me obviously checking her out, and that was kind of awkward |
| 19:09.29 | VIad | who is zoo the channel? |
| 19:09.29 | karl_w_w | does she ever? |
| 19:09.30 | VIad | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:09.34 | karl_w_w | haha |
| 19:09.46 | Neffi | But god-damned, she's gorgeous without makeup |
| 19:10.13 | karl_w_w | Neffi's surname must be Holmes |
| 19:10.28 | Neffi | huh? |
| 19:10.40 | karl_w_w | as in sherlock |
| 19:11.39 | karl_w_w | funny thing is, it's basically impossible to unexpectedly run into anyone famous in my city because people come here so rarely that everyone knows when they're in town |
| 19:12.33 | TC-Work | I can't throw a dead cat without hitting anyone famous. It helps that I don't go outside. |
| 19:13.30 | Neffi | karl_w_w: I live in Staten Island which isn't exactly the borough to see anyone famous. If I go to the city it's a different story. Seeing somebody like that here is pretty awesome |
| 19:15.17 | Primer | Isn't she the Katy Perry doppleganger? |
| 19:15.49 | Neffi | She's prettier than Katy Perry |
| 19:16.22 | Primer | The loft that was the setting for that show New Girl is just across the street from where I am right now |
| 19:16.38 | Gethe | TC-Work: why would you throw a dead cat? |
| 19:16.43 | Neffi | Primer: what city? |
| 19:16.50 | Primer | Los Angeles |
| 19:17.45 | TC-Work | Gethe: Because I don't want it around me. |
| 19:17.57 | Primer | specifically, the so-called "arts district". The loft is on the corner of Traction and Avery, 90013 |
| 19:18.09 | Primer | My work office is on the opposite corner |
| 19:18.18 | Neffi | cool stuff |
| 19:18.28 | Primer | fucking movie trucks all fucking day there. Luckily I have office parking |
| 19:18.45 | Primer | But these movie people feel they own the streets and shit |
| 19:19.00 | TC-Work | Tell me about it Primer, the trucks are taking over half our lot so we have to park across the street. |
| 19:19.07 | Primer | I'd just tell them if they blocked the entrance to my office, I'd sit there and honk my horn til they moved |
| 19:19.12 | Neffi | I don't know how you deal with that |
| 19:19.34 | Neffi | When they filmed a few scenes for War of the Worlds here, it played havoc with the traffic all over the island. Especially because they closed down a fucking highway to film on |
| 19:19.35 | Primer | Neffi: First world problems |
| 19:20.03 | Primer | But this part of LA has filming going on ALL the fucking time |
| 19:20.44 | Primer | Our front door is littered with those blue papers they're required to pin everywhere notifying the neighborhood of filming |
| 19:22.06 | Primer | So Torhal, any update on that batch of beta keys? |
| 19:22.09 | Primer | it's been a week |
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| 20:33.32 | g0urra | Fisker: what happened to mmo-c on quakenet |
| 20:33.56 | Fisker | Nothing? |
| 20:34.16 | g0urra | http://puu.sh/biLVP/e3c948897a.png |
| 20:34.39 | Fisker | Looks like you're on another net |
| 20:34.48 | Fisker | dem netsplits you know |
| 20:34.59 | fewyn | netsplat |
| 20:35.25 | g0urra | I've been netsplit'd for 5.5 hours then |
| 20:36.33 | Mr_Rabies | sounds like quakenet |
| 20:37.17 | g0urra | quakenet'd |
| 21:12.02 | Neffi | ugh |
| 21:12.26 | Neffi | GetSpellBookItemInfo(25+15,BOOKTYPE_SPELL) -> 33917 (base unmorphed Mangle), even in Bear Form, where the spell is morphed (thus different ID) |
| 21:12.59 | Semlar | tries to calm neffi down |
| 21:13.45 | Neffi | I cleaned up my cooldown code a lot, and fixed a bug, and made it a little faster, and that involved tracking consistently by ID, which breaks druid cooldowns |
| 21:18.26 | Semlar | what do you need the spellbook for? |
| 21:18.58 | Neffi | Collect a cache of all spells that have a cooldown |
| 21:19.16 | Semlar | how come |
| 21:19.17 | Neffi | Is there another way to iterate all spells? |
| 21:19.29 | Semlar | what does your addon do |
| 21:19.42 | Neffi | Cooldown buttons/bars |
| 21:20.34 | Semlar | i don't get anywhere near the spellbook to display cooldowns on buttons |
| 21:21.42 | Neffi | You don't have to if you display them *on the button*. You can grab that info from the button somehow |
| 21:22.14 | Neffi | This cooldown display is entirely disattached from action buttons. It keeps an internal list of all items/spells that have a cooldown, and checks their cooldown when the event fires saying a cooldown changed |
| 21:22.25 | Semlar | shouldn't matter either way, if your abilities are bound they have an action slot |
| 21:22.33 | Neffi | My abilities might not be bound |
| 21:23.01 | Neffi | In fact for me they are not. I don't have action buttons on my screen. And I would consider it a bug if a spell needed to be on an action button (even hidden) to get tracked by my addon |
| 21:23.22 | Semlar | um unless you're casting out of the spell book it has an action slot |
| 21:23.53 | Semlar | or you have some bizarre setup |
| 21:24.10 | Neffi | It might be in a macro |
| 21:24.11 | p3lim | buttons with hardcoded spells, hooah |
| 21:24.15 | Neffi | Also that |
| 21:24.25 | Neffi | Everything I press is a macro, since I use BindPad |
| 21:24.25 | p3lim | oBindings is a good example |
| 21:24.47 | p3lim | doe OPie use actions? |
| 21:24.50 | p3lim | prob macros |
| 21:25.01 | Neffi | I don't think it does, p3lim. That would be a waste of action slots |
| 21:25.35 | foxlit | Let's put it this way: no matter what you do to buttons, you're going to have a bad time with OPie. |
| 21:26.26 | Neffi | o.O |
| 21:27.12 | foxlit | but to answer the question, OPie's spell implementation uses the "spell" SABT action. |
| 21:27.43 | p3lim | gonna break with WoD's mount system isn't it? |
| 21:28.10 | Semlar | well, my addon hooks the secure action button template itself so any action button created it knows about |
| 21:28.52 | foxlit | what does your addon actually do, Semlar? |
| 21:29.11 | Semlar | it just puts cooldown numbers on my action buttons, mostly |
| 21:29.23 | foxlit | Then it's not going to work with opie. |
| 21:29.30 | Semlar | i really don't care if it works with opie |
| 21:29.39 | Semlar | frankly it's better if it doesn't |
| 21:29.43 | foxlit | :) |
| 21:29.49 | Semlar | i'm sure it has its own display |
| 21:31.14 | Semlar | why don't you use the name of the spell neffi |
| 21:31.33 | foxlit | p3lim: dunno; works for me. Then again, I'm nominally a druid. |
| 21:32.10 | p3lim | they're changing it from spells to functions |
| 21:32.16 | p3lim | under C_Mounts |
| 21:32.50 | p3lim | C_MountJournal sorry |
| 21:32.51 | foxlit | or are they? :) |
| 21:33.15 | p3lim | only way to summon random mount at least is C_MountJourna.Summon(0) |
| 21:33.23 | p3lim | gah typos |
| 21:34.21 | Shirik | google translate is so weird |
| 21:34.30 | foxlit | p3lim: "spell",150544 in OPie. |
| 21:34.55 | p3lim | As of latest build? |
| 21:35.04 | p3lim | I tried that two or three builds ago, didn't work |
| 21:35.11 | mikma | what's the WoD "mount system"? |
| 21:35.26 | Mr_Rabies | mannnn i really wish there was more art out for WoD |
| 21:35.32 | Mr_Rabies | i want to update our guild site a bit |
| 21:36.30 | foxlit | I'm cheating, of course. It actually gets resolved down to the Summon call by me; was just convinient to stuff it into spells. |
| 21:37.34 | Neffi | Semlar: redoing it now to track internally using the name. |
| 21:37.59 | Semlar | it's possible to get the current spell id of an item in the spellbook if you really need it |
| 21:38.36 | mikma | foxlit: what is this "mount system"? |
| 21:39.07 | foxlit | they broke GetCompanionInfo and provided a replacement set of functions for enumerating mounts, similar to the pet journal. |
| 21:39.21 | mikma | what's the idea in that |
| 21:39.52 | foxlit | "we're putting them APIs in tables now!" |
| 21:42.02 | foxlit | as far as I know, individual mounts are still included in the spell name -> castable mapping, so you can keep doing /cast Sea Turtle if you want. |
| 21:43.47 | Semlar | neffi http://pastebin.com/DCnz6fgC |
| 21:47.38 | Mr_Rabies | oh god i regret searching for draenei on deviantart to possibly use on our guild site |
| 21:47.43 | Mr_Rabies | hork |
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| 21:51.23 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 21:55.09 | Mr_Rabies | but like, all the official warlords art is either landscape or orcsorcsorcs |
| 21:55.19 | Mr_Rabies | that frazetta-lookin' piece is neat but everything uses that pic |
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| 21:56.19 | mikma | shirik: http://narf-archive.com/pix/a4e447a9042904a5e8193f72e59ae430f3b46dfe.png |
| 21:56.52 | Neffi | Semlar: I just finished redoing the tracking to work by spellname tho |
| 21:59.08 | Neffi | also I bet that would be markedly slower than passing GetSpellCooldown the spellname. |
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| 22:11.28 | Shirik | mikma: that is amazing |
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| 22:15.18 | Jamash | Semlar, Neffi: local currentID, name = string.match(GetSpellLink(slot, BOOKTYPE_SPELL), "Hspell:([^|]+)|h%[([^]]+)%]") |
| 22:16.33 | mikma | shirik: i'm sure you know the song it refers to ;D |
| 22:16.54 | Shirik | of course |
| 22:17.01 | Jamash | mikma: Engel? (jk) |
| 22:17.06 | smcn | oh god using the keybind interface on live after playing only beta for the past month |
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| 22:18.14 | mikma | smcn: whats so different? :P |
| 22:19.09 | foxlit | binding categories are split into a separate list, allowing you to navigate them more easily than the one-long-list-of-everything on live. |
| 22:20.31 | Unkle | It is much improved. |
| 22:20.40 | Neffi | Jamash: churning string garbage in a loop potentially several times a second is bad tho |
| 22:20.56 | Neffi | This iterates all spells (with a cooldown) every time a cooldown is used, reset, or changes duration |
| 22:20.58 | Semlar2 | no neffi |
| 22:21.19 | Neffi | And I can't throttle it because that would mean a visible delay to the user |
| 22:21.57 | Neffi | here's how I do it now https://github.com/nefftd/nfCooldowns/blob/master/core.lua |
| 22:22.32 | foxlit | line 12, Neffi. |
| 22:22.48 | Neffi | what about it, foxlit? |
| 22:22.58 | mikma | hmmmmmmrph. do i really need to start making addons again :( |
| 22:23.14 | Primer | yes |
| 22:23.30 | Neffi | oh, I see. good catch. thanks |
| 22:23.51 | mikma | i need to fix OhSnap in 6.0 and i dont like pvp anymore |
| 22:24.01 | Primer | well, pvp has been completely redone for 6 |
| 22:24.05 | Primer | so you might just like it again |
| 22:24.06 | Jamash | neffi: memoize it then |
| 22:24.19 | Primer | it's not about who has the best CC any more...or so I'm told |
| 22:24.30 | Neffi | No need to, because I just switched to tracking by spellname, which always returns the correct info |
| 22:24.40 | Jamash | what about mangle? |
| 22:24.57 | Neffi | GetSpellCooldown('Mangle') always works correctly, even when switching form during the cooldown |
| 22:25.05 | mikma | primer: yeah but i need to find the awesome char to play pvp :P dk was superfun in lich king |
| 22:25.14 | Neffi | Mangle is what I used to test it ;) |
| 22:25.19 | Jamash | Fair enough :) |
| 22:25.23 | foxlit | for some values of correctly |
| 22:25.36 | foxlit | it's not like the bearform cooldown goes away if you shift to cat; you're just temporarily blind to it. |
| 22:25.44 | Jamash | What addon are you tracking every cooldown for? |
| 22:25.46 | Neffi | foxlit: untrue |
| 22:26.03 | Neffi | It does go away. I was curious, if that was the case, so I just tried it |
| 22:26.06 | foxlit | oh? I'm imagining mangle -> cat -> bear -> still on cooldown. |
| 22:26.10 | Neffi | nope |
| 22:26.30 | Neffi | Not like you're gonna powershift to Mangle again when it resets your rage |
| 22:27.15 | Neffi | Doesn't matter though. I also recheck all cooldowns a split second after shifting, so if that changes in the future, the cooldown with then show up again |
| 22:27.25 | foxlit | Works as I imagined for me. |
| 22:27.38 | mikma | oh man, hunting paladins in lick king was the greatest thing ever with dk. |
| 22:27.42 | Semlar2 | resets neffi |
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| 22:28.02 | Jamash | mikma: don't do that, your tongue will get stuck |
| 22:28.22 | Neffi | Strange. I macroed it then spammed it quickly. Mangle (Bear) -> Cat Form -> Bear Form -> Mangle (Bear). The second Mangle went off just fine without a pause (when it should've been in CD still) |
| 22:28.42 | Jamash | I don't know why it should be in CD, they're two different spells |
| 22:29.09 | foxlit | we're just talking about the one with the cooldown, Jamash. |
| 22:29.19 | Jamash | oh, bearmangle twice |
| 22:29.24 | Jamash | innnnnnnnnnnnnnteresting |
| 22:29.30 | Neffi | foxlit: Ah, nvm. It seems I wasn't quick enough with the macro last time. The cooldown DOES stick when I just retired it. |
| 22:29.51 | mikma | which class is op in 6.0? :P |
| 22:29.55 | Neffi | Rechecking CDs a split second after shifting also works. The cooldown button re-appears when I shift back into bear. This works better than my old code |
| 22:30.01 | foxlit | the point was that you'd bounce the mangle (bear) cooldown in your tracker. "Oh it's on cooldown! Oh wait, it's not on cooldown! Oh, it's back on cooldown!" |
| 22:30.27 | foxlit | while some other value of correct might be "Mangle (Bear) is on cooldown." |
| 22:30.48 | mikma | gah, i need to tip the spells from wowhead again in 6.0 :( |
| 22:30.50 | Neffi | The GCD of Mangling then switching twice is almost as long as Mangle (Bear)'s cooldown. There's no situation where the cooldown disappearing can be confusing |
| 22:30.58 | Neffi | Unless you have micro-second response times |
| 22:33.55 | foxlit | 2 gcds < 6 seconds. |
| 22:34.55 | mikma | hey, anyone knows a neat little list of every class' spells in WoD? |
| 22:35.24 | foxlit | the API, mikma. |
| 22:35.36 | Neffi | foxlit: Plus the GCD of Mangle, which gives you 1 more GCD before Mangle (Bear) comes off cooldown. So if you cast Mangle, then immediately switch to Cat Form, I'm assuming you intend to cast at least 1 spell in Cat Form, then you switch back, Mangle Bear is off cooldown by now |
| 22:36.02 | Fumler | does anyone by chance know of a list of all enums for wow? |
| 22:36.05 | foxlit | it's quite clear that our assumptions are different. |
| 22:36.11 | Fumler | like SPEC_MAGE_ARCANE etc |
| 22:36.27 | mikma | foxlit: the api has what kind of data now? |
| 22:36.40 | foxlit | I'm considering the worst possible scenario for you; you're considering something "reasonable". |
| 22:36.59 | foxlit | mikma: probably since 5.0 |
| 22:37.22 | Neffi | You're considering a contrived example. I'm considering what might happen |
| 22:38.19 | foxlit | mikma: hm, that might only be for the current class. I'm not sure if there's a specID version of GetSpecializationSpells. |
| 22:39.17 | mikma | foxlit: i'll show you what i mean with the list.. moment |
| 22:40.21 | mikma | foxlit: also, i mixed up two of my addons now |
| 22:40.55 | mikma | foxlit: the enemyscanner addon uses a complete spell-list for each class |
| 22:41.45 | foxlit | Neffi: yeah. It's the difference between "my code always works correctly" and "my code works correctly except in some circumstances which I didn't find reasonable." |
| 22:42.10 | Neffi | It works correctly. It just doesn't produce the results you expect |
| 22:43.22 | mikma | wait, whaaaat. i have removed the list long time ago because the game has GetSpellLevelLearned(spellID) |
| 22:43.25 | mikma | lolo |
| 22:45.05 | Neffi | More to the point, when you shift back into bear form, the cooldown will reappear. So yes, you're blind to it in cat form, same as the default UI does. |
| 22:45.05 | foxlit | Neffi: which brings us back to "for some values of correctly" :) |
| 22:45.13 | Neffi | But it never tells you the cooldown is 0 when it's actually 0 |
| 22:45.21 | Neffi | when it's not 0* |
| 22:47.16 | Semlar2 | shifts into neffi form |
| 22:48.25 | foxlit | On the other hand, you have Enrage, which'll you probably keep showing even if in cat form. |
| 22:48.36 | Neffi | foxlit: Now, as a druid, do you think it should support showing cooldowns that you're normally blind to? My reserve is that I display them with an icon, and both forms of Mangle have the same icon, which might actually be confusing. http://i.imgur.com/rgCBnKQ.jpg |
| 22:48.57 | Neffi | foxlit: Enrage will work just fine, because it doesn't morph on shift. The CD button sticks around when you shift |
| 22:49.08 | Neffi | Only when a spell morphs, does the cooldown button morph to match it |
| 22:49.13 | foxlit | yes, which is a consistency problem with your handling of Mangle. |
| 22:49.29 | foxlit | Mangle (Bear) cooldown goes away; Enrage remains. |
| 22:49.54 | Neffi | Which I don't consider a problem. Because for all intents a purposes, Mangle IS usable at the moment, but Enrage is not. |
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| 22:51.34 | foxlit | Personally, I don't want a list of every cooldown to begin with; only situationally relevant ones. |
| 22:53.14 | foxlit | (which never includes Mangle, which should be on an action bar anyway) |
| 22:53.27 | Neffi | Unless you happen to not have an action bar |
| 22:54.37 | foxlit | step 1. Get an action bar :) |
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| 22:54.58 | Semlar2_ | i don't have any internets neffi |
| 22:55.26 | Fumler | I stole foxlits actiobar :§ |
| 22:55.47 | Fumler | too pretty |
| 22:55.50 | foxlit | It's unlikely that you'll be able to relay every bit of information the action bar does through alternative elements. |
| 22:56.49 | foxlit | Out of range? In range? Out of mana? Number of charges of Savage Defense remaining? Cooldown of next charge? Is Mangle free now? Can I Maul for damage reduction? |
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| 22:57.08 | Jamash | Fumler: I don't but you can easily get one with something like this /run for k,v in pairs(_G) do if "string"==type(k) and k:find("^[A-Z]+$") then MyListOfConstants[k]=v end end |
| 22:57.10 | Neffi | Been playing without one for a long time. I have a tick that shows my GCD, though it's unnecessary. I know how much energy I have, since my UF is in my field of vision |
| 22:58.13 | Fumler | that's smart, thanks Jamash |
| 22:58.22 | Neffi | Semlar: why not semlar |
| 22:58.59 | Semlar2 | no neffi |
| 22:59.51 | Jamash | fumler: I left out _ from the character class, you'd want to fix that |
| 23:00.28 | Jamash | and of course you should run it with no addons enabled if you want a clean _G table, etc |
| 23:01.07 | Fumler | yea |
| 23:02.06 | Fumler | logging in to each class to see the specc number right now, figured there should be a global enum somewhere for that |
| 23:04.04 | Jamash | more complete version: /run MyListOfConstants={};for k,v in pairs(_G) do if "string"==type(k) and ("string" == type(v) or "number" == type(v) k:find("^[A-Z_]+$") then MyListOfConstants[k]=v end end |
| 23:04.14 | foxlit | Fumler: GetSpecializationInfoForClassID |
| 23:04.59 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:05.37 | Fumler | omg, so pretty |
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| 23:11.05 | Sintacks | i hate it when curse client says a file is modified and i can't remember what i modififed |
| 23:11.08 | Sintacks | fuck tysping and speling |
| 23:13.28 | Semlar2 | neffii i have a raid tonight and i haven't played in over a monf |
| 23:14.34 | Neffi | shouldn't be a problem. I'm sure your guildmates are used to you dying |
| 23:14.38 | Primer | I did normal SoO the other day on my prot warrior. Hadn't done any pve in several months...we couldn't kill Malk on normal :( |
| 23:14.42 | Primer | it was sad |
| 23:14.47 | Semlar2 | :l |
| 23:14.51 | Neffi | ;) |
| 23:14.53 | Primer | but then there were a lot of undergeared alts |
| 23:15.30 | Semlar2 | normal malk is just standing in voids |
| 23:17.09 | Fumler | ilvl gap from soo lfr to soo pugs is insane |
| 23:17.10 | Fumler | sucks |
