| 00:06.20 | Sharparam | http://rfl.im/MR |
| 00:06.28 | Sharparam | how convincing |
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| 00:09.37 | Neffi | > wownou lol |
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| 00:16.39 | kd3 | huh, is mmoc using a referral code on their link to the collector's edition on amazon? |
| 00:24.03 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 00:24.08 | Stanzilla | tag=cursegaming |
| 00:26.27 | chaud | shhh |
| 00:28.35 | Stanzilla | somebody needs to pay chaud's blizzcon trip |
| 00:28.46 | chaud | one day I'll go |
| 00:29.01 | Stanzilla | yeah right |
| 00:29.35 | chaud | 2016 |
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| 00:30.29 | jleclanche | Ah look, people calling the card back "pay2win" |
| 00:30.35 | jleclanche | yeah thats the definition. |
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| 00:41.54 | Arrowmaster | some of these shows on the fall anime chart just sound terrible |
| 00:43.47 | kd3 | other than FS/N nothing really calls out to me just yet. maybe once the PVs start airing |
| 00:46.18 | Arrowmaster | im questioning if Ore, Twintail Ni Narimasu is going to be pure garbage or some masterpiece like Kore wa Zonbi Desu ka? |
| 00:49.45 | Mr_Rabies | arrowmaster/kd3 |
| 00:49.52 | Mr_Rabies | you should be watching blue blazes thanks in advance |
| 00:50.13 | Arrowmaster | i still have tons of other stuff to catch up on |
| 00:50.21 | Mr_Rabies | it's a live action show set in 1980 |
| 00:50.23 | Arrowmaster | i havent seen anything from the current season |
| 00:50.41 | kd3 | oh, hell, I didn't see the second season of log horizon in the chart. the only other series I know I'm watching |
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| 00:51.04 | Mr_Rabies | quasi-autobiographical story about a mangaka going to an art school and generally failing tremendously |
| 00:51.25 | Arrowmaster | i havent seen the first season of that |
| 00:51.28 | Mr_Rabies | his classmates are basically the entire founding staff of GAINAX, and a guy that worked at sunrise and later founded BONES |
| 00:51.41 | Mr_Rabies | also Gundam: G Reco! |
| 00:51.48 | Mr_Rabies | it's by the original creator of Gundam |
| 00:51.54 | Mr_Rabies | and looks to be awesome |
| 00:52.30 | Mr_Rabies | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zJu_Sx6lGg |
| 00:52.57 | kd3 | log horizon is SAO done competently I quite enjoyed the first season |
| 00:53.08 | Arrowmaster | havent seen SAO either |
| 00:53.22 | Arrowmaster | theres enough gundam animes, need more macross |
| 00:53.31 | Mr_Rabies | but there aren't enough from Tomino |
| 00:53.36 | Mr_Rabies | he hasn't done a gundam show since 1999 |
| 00:53.39 | Arrowmaster | still need more macross |
| 00:53.45 | Mr_Rabies | eh, maybe |
| 00:53.57 | Mr_Rabies | f wasn't -bad- but it kinda floundered |
| 00:54.10 | Mr_Rabies | i don't see anime changing enough since F to be really different |
| 00:54.26 | Mr_Rabies | my favorite in the franchise is 7, followed by Plus |
| 00:55.02 | Mr_Rabies | Zero is the worst, though, by far |
| 00:55.34 | Mr_Rabies | 7 > Plus > SDF Macross > F > Zero |
| 00:55.39 | Mr_Rabies | if you ask me, at least |
| 00:55.55 | Mr_Rabies | the second F movie was NUTS though |
| 00:56.08 | Mr_Rabies | if the show had that kind of drive throughout i'd have liked it more |
| 00:56.36 | Mr_Rabies | here's the OP for Blue Blazes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qntj0rUUQI8 |
| 00:57.18 | Arrowmaster | 7 > Plus > F > Zero > SDF |
| 00:58.21 | Arrowmaster | i just couldnt get into the original SDF as much as the others |
| 00:58.24 | Mr_Rabies | how can you like Zero more than SDF |
| 00:58.28 | Mr_Rabies | it was so bad :( |
| 00:58.54 | Mr_Rabies | SDF is good but i really like everyone more than hikaru, he's kind of bland |
| 00:59.00 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 00:59.04 | Mr_Rabies | even kakizaki is a better character imo |
| 00:59.16 | Mr_Rabies | the guy that basically lives to get rekt in the big battle |
| 00:59.18 | Arrowmaster | the only good characters from SDF ended up in 7 anyway |
| 00:59.27 | Mr_Rabies | and max and millia yeah |
| 00:59.34 | Mr_Rabies | i liked minmay, actually |
| 00:59.50 | Mr_Rabies | she was insufferable in DYRL, though |
| 01:00.08 | Arrowmaster | dont think ive seen that since i thought it was just a retelling of the story |
| 01:00.18 | Mr_Rabies | it's...not really a retelling exactly |
| 01:00.20 | Mr_Rabies | it's very different |
| 01:00.27 | Arrowmaster | ok then i should see it |
| 01:00.33 | Arrowmaster | have you seen macross2 |
| 01:00.35 | Mr_Rabies | later it was made canonically into a movie in the macross universe |
| 01:00.46 | Mr_Rabies | nope, but i hear it's a total train wreck |
| 01:00.58 | Mr_Rabies | shoji kawamori's involvement tends to make things into a train wreck, it seems |
| 01:01.05 | Mr_Rabies | sometimes for the good, sometimes for the bad |
| 01:01.06 | Arrowmaster | kind of but none of the characters are in anything else so its standalone |
| 01:01.29 | Mr_Rabies | Zero was like 100% pure shoji kawamori |
| 01:01.37 | Mr_Rabies | he did AKB0048 if you want something he did recently |
| 01:02.01 | Mr_Rabies | he's one of the cocreators of the franchise but he basically only was involved in SDF, Zero, and some of F i think? |
| 01:02.09 | Arrowmaster | the only real reason i liked zero was because of how F tied into it |
| 01:02.59 | Kraps | well thats amazing http://i.imgur.com/baqMEad.jpg |
| 01:03.09 | Mr_Rabies | yup :D |
| 01:04.01 | Arrowmaster | i want somebody to gift me one of these http://amzn.com/B003JPAOEK |
| 01:04.32 | Mr_Rabies | i got a die cast fire valkyrie for a friend, it's pretty neat |
| 01:04.42 | Mr_Rabies | was on sale at a convention for like $20 |
| 01:04.58 | Mr_Rabies | does a full transformation without falling apart and seems sturdy |
| 01:05.02 | Arrowmaster | wow |
| 01:05.12 | Arrowmaster | i love the monster from F |
| 01:05.15 | Mr_Rabies | one of these days i'm gonna get a soul of chogokin ideon |
| 01:05.38 | Mr_Rabies | the monster's in SDF |
| 01:05.41 | Mr_Rabies | just in the background |
| 01:06.04 | Arrowmaster | i know |
| 01:06.35 | Arrowmaster | dont really see it in a flight form in anything other than F |
| 01:06.49 | Mr_Rabies | maybe in DYRL but yeah |
| 01:07.12 | Mr_Rabies | i think SDF has a better story, but DYRL is nice to be a bit different and has way better animation, of course |
| 01:07.49 | Arrowmaster | 7 has the best story of any of them though |
| 01:07.55 | Neffi | Kraps: explain that screenshot? |
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| 01:08.11 | Mr_Rabies | Neffi: the new cutscene heavily references grom's sacrifice in WC3 |
| 01:08.24 | Neffi | Oh, I didnt read the title |
| 01:08.34 | Mr_Rabies | and because garrosh knows what happens when a pit lord dies, thanks to thrall's recount of the tale |
| 01:08.34 | Neffi | I was like "why does the right one have so much less dynamic range?" |
| 01:08.52 | Mr_Rabies | he leaps infront of him and saves his dad, because if nothing else, garrosh got daddy issues |
| 01:10.10 | Mr_Rabies | have you seen the OVAs and movie and stuff for 7, Arrowmaster? |
| 01:10.14 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 01:10.17 | Arrowmaster | all of them |
| 01:10.25 | Mr_Rabies | i always start with the movie when introducing it to friends |
| 01:10.32 | Mr_Rabies | since the show starts out kinda slow with a LOT of reused animation |
| 01:10.47 | Arrowmaster | which is the movie |
| 01:10.58 | Mr_Rabies | and practically nothing that happens in the movie has any bearing on the tv show |
| 01:11.22 | Mr_Rabies | the one where he gets into a kickin' rad guitar rock-off with the giant zentradi chick and causes an avalanche |
| 01:11.55 | Arrowmaster | oh fuck yeah that one |
| 01:12.43 | Arrowmaster | forgot that was a movie instead of an ova |
| 01:13.58 | Arrowmaster | im going to have to redownload 7 for the 3rd time now and watch it again |
| 01:14.20 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 01:14.27 | Mr_Rabies | i think blu rays are out nowadays |
| 01:14.31 | Mr_Rabies | [in japan] |
| 01:14.38 | Mr_Rabies | the version i watched was like |
| 01:14.42 | Mr_Rabies | laserdisc master at BEST |
| 01:14.48 | Neffi | this is one sexy looking mobo http://www.anandtech.com/show/8386/asus-rog-z97-maximus-vii-impact-officially-launched |
| 01:14.49 | Mr_Rabies | the backgrounds were super muddy |
| 01:15.17 | Arrowmaster | Neffi: its tiny |
| 01:15.35 | Mr_Rabies | >not solid state capacitors |
| 01:15.46 | Mr_Rabies | actually wait |
| 01:15.47 | Mr_Rabies | they might be |
| 01:15.56 | Mr_Rabies | my sense of scale is totally jacked atm looking at that |
| 01:17.22 | Dagmar | I'm not sure I like the daughterboard thing |
| 01:17.46 | Neffi | Arrowmaster: I know. isn't it cute as hell? |
| 01:17.50 | Neffi | I love mini-ITX |
| 01:18.03 | Arrowmaster | my last build was a CEB |
| 01:18.04 | Dagmar | I would rather not play "hardware tetris" |
| 01:18.40 | Neffi | it's not so bad with a good case |
| 01:18.52 | Neffi | and the end result is awesome |
| 01:18.54 | Arrowmaster | Compact Electronics Bay (CEB) 12 Ã 10.5 in (305 Ã 267 mm) |
| 01:18.57 | Dagmar | I've got one machine here I basically have to use hemostats to change SATA cables with, and... fuck that |
| 01:19.06 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 01:19.20 | Neffi | Arrowmaster: that's slightly bigger than EATX, right? |
| 01:19.41 | Arrowmaster | probably, its the biggest board ive ever used |
| 01:19.48 | Dagmar | My guess is they intend for people to go nuts building themselves PCs that pretend to be console |
| 01:20.55 | Mr_Rabies | i want an htpc that meets my requirements for <250 or so and i've yet to find one :( |
| 01:21.09 | Mr_Rabies | it's expensive to play 10-bit color 1080p h264 video :( |
| 01:21.44 | Mr_Rabies | 8 bit though, you can just get an amazon fire box dealio and you're good to go |
| 01:22.00 | Mr_Rabies | a hunnend bux |
| 01:22.29 | Neffi | Don't Intel GPUs handle 10-bit? |
| 01:22.59 | Mr_Rabies | doubt it |
| 01:23.24 | Mr_Rabies | as far as i know, nothing will hardware accelerate 10-bit video |
| 01:23.43 | Mr_Rabies | so it just gets thrown to the cpu |
| 01:23.46 | Neffi | Define hardware accelerate. Decoding? |
| 01:24.08 | Neffi | madVR leverages the GPU for rendering 10 bit I believe |
| 01:24.14 | kd3 | using specific gpu decoding instructions rather than doing it on the cpu |
| 01:24.23 | Mr_Rabies | yeah that |
| 01:24.35 | Neffi | LAV's decoding is very fast. I don't use hardware decoding |
| 01:24.38 | Mr_Rabies | so you just have to power through it still, as i understand it |
| 01:25.11 | Mr_Rabies | which is like $500-600 minimum last i checked |
| 01:25.44 | Neffi | How so? The cheapest dual-core Haswell should be overkill for decoding 1080p video. Throw in a cheap GPU so you can play with madVR's better scaling |
| 01:26.17 | Mr_Rabies | 8 bit video is easy, but 10-bit has nothing that'll decode it using anything other than the cpu, as i understand it |
| 01:26.54 | Neffi | yeah, and a modern CPU has enough horsepower to decode that |
| 01:27.09 | Neffi | And with CPU decode, it's not subject to your GPU driver (probably) being buggy |
| 01:27.17 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, but that's expensive for an htpc |
| 01:27.55 | Mr_Rabies | i just use DLNA or try to find a version that's 8-bit color if i can, but with anime that can be hit or miss |
| 01:28.03 | Mr_Rabies | most of the encoders use 10-bit color nowadays |
| 01:30.35 | Neffi | yeah, nev says 10-bit compresses better for anime |
| 01:31.22 | Mr_Rabies | only marginally, to be honest |
| 01:32.10 | Mr_Rabies | it's pretty unnecessary, you save maybe 5% filesize and break compatibility with all non-pc hardware |
| 01:33.10 | Neffi | So re-encode the 10 bit rips |
| 01:35.21 | Arrowmaster | the 10bit encoding does help with reducing color banding though when using lower bitrates like animes do |
| 01:35.23 | Mr_Rabies | i just typically run it through universal media server to my wdtv, but it just doesn't ever quite look as good |
| 01:35.36 | Mr_Rabies | that's where the compression comes from, arrowmaster |
| 01:35.50 | Mr_Rabies | you can reduce banding just as well by bumping up the bitrate |
| 01:36.07 | Arrowmaster | its not a direct ratio though |
| 01:36.57 | Arrowmaster | youd have to up the bitrate but a lot to get the same effect as switching to 10bit |
| 01:37.01 | Mr_Rabies | and converting old shows to 10-bit is hilarious since it saves like, <1% |
| 01:37.20 | Mr_Rabies | since there's a lot less giant open fields of the same color |
| 01:37.24 | Mr_Rabies | due to film grain, etc |
| 01:37.52 | Arrowmaster | encoders back then did a lot more work cleaning up the source than todays encoders do |
| 01:38.36 | kd3 | because most of the time these days it's just ripping from Crunchyroll |
| 01:38.37 | kd3 | >.> |
| 01:40.09 | Arrowmaster | i should go shave, new job tomorrow, but its short term and only till the 29th |
| 01:40.43 | Neffi | then why shave? |
| 01:41.05 | Arrowmaster | because i might have a date tomorrow night |
| 01:41.25 | Dagmar | waits. |
| 01:41.35 | Arrowmaster | for what? |
| 01:41.41 | Neffi | your date should respect the beard |
| 01:41.46 | Neffi | everyone needs to respect the beard |
| 01:41.56 | Neffi | pushes his beard hairs out another inch |
| 01:41.59 | Arrowmaster | my dates love the beard, its the neckline stubble i need to shave |
| 01:42.03 | Dagmar | ...and explanation for the "might". |
| 01:42.45 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: im pretty sure shes going to be at the party im going to, and if she is i plan to steal her away for a while |
| 01:42.57 | Dagmar | That sounds more like a "quickie" to me. |
| 01:43.02 | Dagmar | Kids these days. |
| 01:43.08 | Arrowmaster | i dont do quick |
| 01:43.59 | Neffi | smooth |
| 01:44.03 | Neffi | like a bottle of cheap scotch |
| 01:44.06 | Cairenn | purrs at Arrowmaster |
| 01:44.17 | Arrowmaster | pets Cairenn |
| 01:44.22 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 01:44.45 | Dagmar | I suspect someone hasn't quite figured out how they should draw Richard without his big ruby gem |
| 01:45.09 | Arrowmaster | ?? |
| 01:45.18 | Dagmar | You read LFG? |
| 01:45.22 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 01:45.27 | Arrowmaster | i have a tiny dick plushie |
| 01:45.29 | Dagmar | So Richard smashed the giant gem. |
| 01:45.49 | Arrowmaster | i havent read LFG in years though |
| 01:45.51 | Dagmar | Today's comic (and to a lesser degree, Monday's) is like a webcomic version of "hide the penis" |
| 01:46.23 | Dagmar | Like how in movies in the US there's generally a conveniently placed soda or mailbox that's in the way |
| 01:46.57 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: I have bad news for you then. Richard apparently did a really good thing. |
| 01:47.10 | Dagmar | Like, "two shoes" goodie good. |
| 01:47.43 | Arrowmaster | hes always been a softy |
| 01:48.11 | Dagmar | Yes, but since he gets his power from "defending himself" from "rabid orphanages", him doing something epically good is a bit of a problem. |
| 01:48.16 | Arrowmaster | http://imgur.com/gAD9p0W |
| 01:48.42 | Dagmar | THe last time he _bled_ he went straight to the nearest orphanage and got things sorted out quickly. |
| 01:48.53 | Dagmar | Presently, he can't even kill a kitten. |
| 01:51.43 | Arrowmaster | really do need to go shave |
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| 02:58.26 | ccox | Poor little Richard, all healed and no powers. |
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| 03:51.02 | Torhal | ~pil |
| 03:51.02 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
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| 07:10.25 | Fisker | haha jleclanche |
| 07:10.34 | Fisker | zoo with ancient watchers, zombie chow and wailing soul |
| 07:10.40 | Fisker | that's hilarious |
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| 08:02.55 | karl_w_w | https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=551476014996846&set=vb.100004033578787&type=2&theater that's nice |
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| 08:26.59 | Siku | Is there a way to make child frame inherit their parent's width? |
| 08:28.15 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 08:28.21 | nevcairiel | you set their points to left/right of the parent |
| 08:28.24 | Neffi | :SetPoint'LEFT' :SetPoint'RIGHt' |
| 08:28.28 | Neffi | dammit nev, beat me to it |
| 08:28.54 | nevcairiel | i'm doing this longer! |
| 08:29.25 | Neffi | <_< maybe |
| 08:31.06 | Siku | Also, is there some kind of detailed post about SetPoint? Setting a single point is neat, but I dont fully grasp how having multiple points fits together. |
| 08:32.09 | Neffi | Siku: http://wowpedia.org/User_interface |
| 08:32.26 | Neffi | Siku: woops, this one: http://wowpedia.org/Portal:Interface_customization |
| 08:33.52 | Neffi | Siku: specifically, http://wowpedia.org/API_SetPoint |
| 08:35.56 | Siku | Well that's silly of me. Itdoes contain some nice details. |
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| 08:52.56 | bluspacecow | *sharp intake of breath* |
| 08:52.59 | bluspacecow | squeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 08:53.07 | bluspacecow | my spirit of bashiok item come back :P |
| 09:04.17 | bluspacecow | my fav garrison building so far has to be the goblin workshop |
| 09:04.22 | bluspacecow | makes me feel like batman :P |
| 09:05.01 | Mr_Rabies | ahhh finally out in outland |
| 09:05.10 | Mr_Rabies | 3 levels in like an hour, feels like home again |
| 09:05.18 | Mr_Rabies | that 48-58 gap really really sucks :( |
| 09:06.19 | bluspacecow | wat do |
| 09:13.07 | Mr_Rabies | it's a bit weird that CRZ doesn't work at all with /who |
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| 09:14.08 | mitch0 | yo. is the InerfaceOptions stuff broken on beta or I need to update something to make it work? I only have to top level Options thingy, not the children |
| 09:18.26 | nevcairiel | seems fine here using Ace3's function for it |
| 09:21.17 | mitch0 | thanks. will check my code then |
| 09:21.58 | Mr_Rabies | mannn i forgot how great the redline OST was |
| 09:22.15 | Mr_Rabies | steam music going to the desktop client made me cue up some music |
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| 11:13.36 | Sharparam | Mr_Rabies: what i dislike is you can't browse your music library in steam overlay, only the active playlist. but maybe i've missed something |
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| 12:03.52 | jleclanche | Fisker: that crab tho https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkHBsZsyHoA |
| 12:04.14 | Fisker | I like my new zoolock |
| 12:05.39 | Fisker | Yeah I saw that jleclanche |
| 12:05.52 | Fisker | the funny part was that it was the last card he needed for all the cards in the expert deck |
| 12:10.31 | jleclanche | "Reynad loves minions that pull cards out of nowhere and inserts them into his hand/deck, like scientist and webspinner. It reminds him of his MTG days." |
| 12:10.34 | jleclanche | sneakiest burn |
| 12:13.51 | Fisker | oh lol |
| 12:14.25 | Fisker | Are you watching massan's stream jleclanche ? |
| 12:14.33 | jleclanche | Fisker: not right now why? |
| 12:14.49 | karl_w_w | massan is too beautiful for my eyes |
| 12:15.08 | Fisker | his opponent just put out 2 nerubian egg, then on the next turn a baron rivendare and a flametongue so he got 4 spiders :P |
| 12:15.10 | jleclanche | hes not in my checklist, i should add him he's pretty good |
| 12:15.48 | jleclanche | is he playing the hunter secrets deck really |
| 12:17.25 | jleclanche | yeah this is boring, its just gonna be 90% mirror matches |
| 12:18.49 | Fisker | Yeah the fun part was he almost got owned |
| 12:18.59 | Fisker | but the 4 spiders gave him enough hounds that he could lethal :P |
| 12:35.39 | karl_w_w | such balance |
| 12:35.56 | karl_w_w | counter a 2 turn OP combo with a 1 turn OP combo |
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| 15:40.27 | VIad | Game of Codes |
| 15:45.26 | karl_w_w | man the swapper is a good looking game |
| 15:59.04 | fewyn | any suggestions for best site to use to book plane tickets? |
| 15:59.14 | VIad | bookplanetickets.com |
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| 16:18.17 | karl_w_w | well if you were australian it would be webjet, don't know if that's true in other countries |
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| 16:34.30 | g0urra | wth happened to steam |
| 16:36.55 | karl_w_w | nothing? |
| 16:37.18 | g0urra | except new UI |
| 16:37.28 | g0urra | well, polished is a better word |
| 16:38.16 | g0urra | noticed at least a new notification window and task bar icon |
| 16:42.49 | karl_w_w | oh |
| 16:43.07 | karl_w_w | well nothing for me, new icon has been on beta for a while and i use a skin so same notification |
| 16:43.26 | karl_w_w | in good news, i think swapper is better than portal |
| 16:43.58 | karl_w_w | it looks better and it's more challenging, story has promise |
| 16:44.00 | kd3 | yeowch. a 200MB steam update? |
| 16:45.39 | Sharparam | *go to look up game* |
| 16:45.40 | Sharparam | "You already own The Swapper" |
| 16:45.42 | Sharparam | oh ok |
| 16:48.04 | Sharparam | karl_w_w: how is it comparable to portal though |
| 16:49.23 | karl_w_w | you have a gun that makes clones of you |
| 16:49.29 | karl_w_w | and its a puzzle platformer |
| 16:50.05 | Sharparam | if all it takes is to be a puzzle platformer than there are many portal-like games i guess |
| 16:51.15 | karl_w_w | it's a very similar puzzle platformer |
| 16:51.37 | karl_w_w | because it's all about positioning yourself or objects |
| 16:51.44 | Sharparam | hm |
| 16:51.45 | karl_w_w | and getting around obstacles |
| 16:51.49 | Sharparam | i guess i should give it a go |
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| 17:06.45 | smcn | some of the puzzles in the swapper are harder than anything in portal tbh i'm thinking of one in particular that i had to sleep on |
| 17:10.20 | karl_w_w | I'm stumped on this one already and I've only been playing an hour and a half |
| 17:10.47 | karl_w_w | how am i supposed to get over there when i can't make a dude through blue stuff! |
| 17:14.42 | karl_w_w | so far the difference is when I was stuck on something in portal I'd eventually work it out and go "wow, I am stupid," when I work it out in the swapper I think "ohh! that's pretty clever" |
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| 17:18.17 | jleclanche | obelisk (An obelisk is similar to a menhir; and the obelisk symbol â often follows the asterisk.) |
| 17:18.20 | jleclanche | aaaaah |
| 17:18.35 | jleclanche | I didnt think I'd realize that at my age but ok |
| 17:19.08 | jleclanche | pb_ee1: ^ |
| 17:20.40 | pb_ee1 | Meh what? How is an obelisk "similar" to a menhir? That's a pretty naughty comparison |
| 17:20.51 | pb_ee1 | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/08/Heliopolis200501.JPG |
| 17:21.04 | pb_ee1 | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6d/Menhir_du_Champ-Dolent.jpg |
| 17:21.06 | pb_ee1 | Yeah, it's two stones |
| 17:21.10 | jleclanche | pb_ee1: no, the part about the obelisk symbol and the asterix symbol |
| 17:21.15 | jleclanche | asterisk ffs. |
| 17:21.15 | pb_ee1 | But one is thinner and 10x more worked on :p |
| 17:21.22 | pb_ee1 | lol |
| 17:21.38 | pb_ee1 | You mean in the character map? |
| 17:21.50 | jleclanche | no, in use in footnotes :p they often go together |
| 17:23.02 | pb_ee1 | ho, true |
| 17:23.11 | pb_ee1 | Never realized that indeed :P |
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| 17:23.38 | jleclanche | to be fair i didnt realize it was called the obelisk symbol |
| 17:23.48 | pb_ee1 | Me either |
| 17:23.56 | pb_ee1 | It doesn't even look like an obeslisk |
| 17:23.57 | jleclanche | I always called it the "oddly religious footnote sign" |
| 17:24.09 | kd3 | isn't the html entity †? |
| 17:24.19 | pb_ee1 | Yeah it's a dagger |
| 17:24.21 | pb_ee1 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagger_(typography) |
| 17:24.38 | pb_ee1 | Dunno where you got the obelisk name for it |
| 17:24.46 | kd3 | right there on the enwiki article? |
| 17:24.46 | jleclanche | "A dagger, or obelisk, U+2020 â " |
| 17:24.57 | pb_ee1 | Ha yeah |
| 17:25.00 | pb_ee1 | First line :D |
| 17:25.28 | jleclanche | well Im glad someone older than I realized this today as well |
| 17:25.29 | pb_ee1 | So the obelus is this: ÷ |
| 17:25.36 | pb_ee1 | But the little obelus is: â |
| 17:25.55 | pb_ee1 | And was originally written: ÷ |
| 17:25.56 | pb_ee1 | Go figure |
| 17:26.34 | pb_ee1 | And then there is the double rainbo... er, the double obelus: â¡ |
| 17:26.37 | jleclanche | I absolutely love the obelus as the division sign |
| 17:26.43 | pb_ee1 | That's when a single obelus doesn't work anymore |
| 17:26.48 | jleclanche | I didnt think about it much until now |
| 17:26.50 | Sharparam | double obelus all the way across the sky! |
| 17:27.04 | pb_ee1 | Haha :D |
| 17:27.11 | pb_ee1 | Okay, back to work |
| 17:27.17 | jleclanche | oh and # is an octothorpe |
| 17:27.20 | pb_ee1 | I got things to break here |
| 17:27.38 | Sharparam | breaks pb_ee1 |
| 17:27.39 | Fisker- | Blizzard want all UK'ers to resub I guess |
| 17:27.43 | jleclanche | Next time someone asks me what my job is, I'll say "I work with C#" |
| 17:27.54 | jleclanche | I don't, however, I've always wanted to be a marine biologist |
| 17:28.05 | pb_ee1 | explodes in thousands of pieces |
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| 17:40.09 | nevcairiel | They raised the shop prices for the UK already a bit back. I wonder what's up with the UK. Currency in decline? Taxes on the rise? |
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| 17:43.00 | Simca | yeah pounds sterling must have lost value against USD recently for Blizzard to make that move |
| 17:44.53 | jleclanche | Simca: they havent |
| 17:45.05 | jleclanche | the gbp has risen if anything |
| 17:45.11 | jleclanche | used to be 1.3 to the dollar |
| 17:45.20 | bluipodcow | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:45.52 | jleclanche | its a lot more likely to be tax-related if i had to guess |
| 17:46.11 | jleclanche | glad im getting out of here though .. |
| 17:46.20 | kd3 | https://www.google.com/search?q=GBP+vs+USD |
| 17:46.45 | jleclanche | kd3: look at a 3Y graph |
| 17:46.55 | kd3 | that chart goes back to 2010 for me |
| 17:47.17 | jleclanche | hm, was 1.4 not 1.3 |
| 17:47.31 | jleclanche | fucking google.se, not giving me graphs |
| 17:47.53 | kd3 | https://www.google.com/finance/chart?q=CURRENCY:GBPUSD&tkr=1&p=5Y&chst=vkc&chs=229x94&chsc=1&ei=cUfuU-6xLIvmsATsjICADg |
| 17:48.21 | jleclanche | https://www.google.com/finance/chart?q=CURRENCY:GBPUSD&tkr=1&p=5Y&chst=vkc&chs=1229x194&chsc=1&ei=cUfuU-6xLIvmsATsjICADg |
| 17:48.25 | jleclanche | thats more like it |
| 17:48.57 | Simca | somebody did point out that UK sub price is still second cheapest in europe, even after the raise |
| 17:49.14 | Simca | 9.99 pounds is 12.45 euro, and sub price is 12.99 in euro |
| 17:49.38 | jleclanche | yes but 12.99 eur is far more than the US sub |
| 17:49.51 | Simca | yeah |
| 17:50.03 | Simca | but that's typical |
| 17:55.24 | nevcairiel | Isn't that like usual, US doesn't include tax |
| 17:55.30 | nevcairiel | EU does |
| 17:55.34 | kd3 | in some states |
| 17:56.25 | nevcairiel | 99% of all prices you see in the EU include VAT. In the US, other way around |
| 17:57.16 | Mr_Rabies | no such thing as a national VAT here |
| 17:57.35 | g0urra | we have 25% VAT on pretty much anything here |
| 17:57.56 | Mr_Rabies | there's a sales tax but typically isn't done for interstate commerce |
| 17:58.25 | Mr_Rabies | though some states have passed laws requiring sales tax on interstate commerce |
| 17:58.26 | nevcairiel | Point is, if you live in a US state with VAT, you may pay more then it says on the price tag for the sub, don't you? |
| 17:58.35 | g0urra | 12% for groceries, restaurants and hotels |
| 17:58.50 | Mr_Rabies | not even sure if any states have a VAT, to be honest |
| 17:59.21 | nevcairiel | Well whatever you call a tax that gets added on top of your purchase :P |
| 17:59.26 | Mr_Rabies | yeah there's probably a sales tax in certain states (i'm sure cali since blizzard is there) but that's not the cost of the subscription |
| 17:59.35 | kd3 | sales tax? |
| 17:59.39 | g0urra | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sales_taxes_in_the_United_States#Summary_table |
| 18:00.37 | Mr_Rabies | we have a 3% sales tax but then the local taxes, etc turn into 7% for most stuff that isn't groceries |
| 18:00.45 | Mr_Rabies | and medicine |
| 18:03.00 | Mr_Rabies | it's much easier to say "the subscription price is $15.99 a month" (or whatever) than "...$15.99 in oregon, $19.43 in california, $18.26 in vermont..." |
| 18:03.27 | Mr_Rabies | "the subscription price is $15.99 a month*" rather |
| 18:03.40 | Mr_Rabies | *plus sales tax |
| 18:04.22 | nevcairiel | Its just 12.99 euros despite different taxes on different countries, and it works out for them! |
| 18:05.17 | Mr_Rabies | I don't wanna pay $19.43 just because california does |
| 18:05.24 | Mr_Rabies | prices are made up, btw |
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| 18:06.21 | Mr_Rabies | oh, it's $14.99 a month by default, i couldn't remember the number |
| 18:06.42 | Mr_Rabies | i pay twice a year for $77.94, or $12.99 a month |
| 18:06.55 | Mr_Rabies | https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/tax-information |
| 18:07.32 | Mr_Rabies | surprisingly not in california! |
| 18:08.03 | nevcairiel | Only 14 out of 50, not too bad ;) |
| 18:09.01 | Mr_Rabies | i'm okay with the cost of the product being the cost of the product, and not the cost of the product plus tax, personally |
| 18:09.14 | Mr_Rabies | i prefer it, because it lets you know how much your taxes are |
| 18:09.55 | nevcairiel | Taxes are marked on the bill or invoice, and it's always the same rate |
| 18:10.25 | nevcairiel | Personally I like seeing how much money this is going to cost me right now |
| 18:10.26 | Mr_Rabies | do you guys not have packaging with pricing printed directly on it? |
| 18:10.46 | nevcairiel | What do I care how much goes to who |
| 18:11.28 | nevcairiel | I guess we might, although I can't really think of a proper example |
| 18:11.50 | nevcairiel | Shops can change prices of things, so that might not work out too well |
| 18:12.56 | Mr_Rabies | they can, but a lot of stuff is distributor mandated at a certain price |
| 18:13.34 | Mr_Rabies | you get used to adding the tax in your head for a roundabout figure, anyway |
| 18:13.49 | nevcairiel | Yeah but why have to |
| 18:13.51 | Mr_Rabies | and if you're not using a calculator, you're probably not gonna get an exact number with a larger amount of items anyway |
| 18:13.59 | nevcairiel | As a consumer you just don't have to care |
| 18:14.30 | Mr_Rabies | as a taxpayer you should care, it's easy to just ignore it if "this price is the price of the goods" |
| 18:14.43 | nevcairiel | Why |
| 18:14.46 | Mr_Rabies | even if it's split on the actual receipt, you're not gonna pay as much attention to it |
| 18:15.40 | nevcairiel | What does it matter. Its a national tax on everything, its not like I can save money by going elsewhere |
| 18:15.40 | Mr_Rabies | because just saying "oh well taxes lol" is not a great mindset |
| 18:15.42 | nevcairiel | Except leaving the country |
| 18:16.00 | Mr_Rabies | you can by voting for taxes to be more appropriate, etc |
| 18:16.52 | Mr_Rabies | if people just accept the taxes forever without thinking they're just gonna keep increasing |
| 18:17.14 | nevcairiel | Maybe they run the US that way. :p |
| 18:17.33 | Mr_Rabies | like, for example, euro folks always complain that gas is so much more expensive over there |
| 18:17.41 | Mr_Rabies | it's really not, it's the taxes, but you don't think about that |
| 18:17.43 | Sharparam | how does seeing the full price equate to accepting taxes forever and not caring about them? |
| 18:18.00 | Mr_Rabies | because it enables ignoring the tax value far more easily |
| 18:18.02 | Sharparam | at least in sweden, the amount of money that is tax is shown on the receipt as "moms" |
| 18:18.25 | nevcairiel | I'm well aware that I pay taxes on everything I buy. Yet I'm still perfectly happy actually seeing the price that I will actually have to pay |
| 18:18.32 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: ahaha did you just watch that fail of the year on noxious' stream? |
| 18:19.40 | Sharparam | "Subtotal: 100, moms 25%: 25, TOTAL: 125" |
| 18:19.45 | Mr_Rabies | that's fine, i prefer it the way things are here nevcairiel, perhaps we're both just adjusted for our respective countries' systems |
| 18:20.32 | nevcairiel | Its.provably just that way in your country because they have all sorts of weird differences in different states |
| 18:20.42 | Mr_Rabies | not just states, in counties |
| 18:20.51 | Mr_Rabies | if i go one county over, it's 8 or 9% sales tax |
| 18:20.54 | nevcairiel | And this way you can put the same price on everything and figure it out later |
| 18:21.04 | kd3|hate`net | hell, even some cities have their own tax |
| 18:21.09 | Neffi | that's exactly what it's like |
| 18:21.11 | Mr_Rabies | yup |
| 18:21.18 | Neffi | I don't like it, tbh |
| 18:21.39 | karl_w_w | nah got better things to watch jleclanche! |
| 18:22.00 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: he had 2 zombie chows on the year, a rivendare and an auchenai with a circle in his hand |
| 18:22.02 | nevcairiel | For someone visiting the US its quite confusing to not see the final price immediately |
| 18:22.07 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: the auchenai was at 4hp and he didnt pwshield it. |
| 18:22.15 | Neffi | Also some specific items might have a tax imposed by the city/state/county but those taxes are typically included in the base price. Eg, cigarettes are like $5 in Virginia, but $12.50 here. The difference in a NY-imposed tax that must be advertised as if it were the base price |
| 18:22.27 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: that was after an insane return from being at 1hp against rag AND grommash |
| 18:22.28 | nevcairiel | How am I supposed to know what's the tax in this state or even city |
| 18:23.58 | Neffi | I guess you ask. I never really thought about it. Because we have one of the highest sales taxes. Either I'm paying 9% or less |
| 18:24.14 | Mr_Rabies | you could call the department of revenue, or probably ask just about anyone and get a partial answer |
| 18:24.30 | Mr_Rabies | ask a few to get a more complete story if you're adverse to calling |
| 18:24.36 | Neffi | Any cashier you ask should know, unless they just started the job |
| 18:24.42 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 18:24.54 | Mr_Rabies | even then they can ask literally anyone who hasn't just started |
| 18:25.24 | Mr_Rabies | everyone knows their local taxes and probably the taxes of the neighboring counties/cities pretty well |
| 18:25.29 | nevcairiel | My point is, I shouldn't have to go out of my way to figure out how much some groceries are going to cost me. :) |
| 18:25.37 | Mr_Rabies | i personally believe that's a good thing |
| 18:25.58 | nevcairiel | Well you also have rabies |
| 18:26.18 | Mr_Rabies | just add 10% in your head and figure you'll probably pay less than that in taxes |
| 18:26.23 | Mr_Rabies | unless you're in a high tax area |
| 18:26.34 | Neffi | But around here most delis (or "bodegas" if you want to be a hipster) advertise prices with tax included. Everything comes out to an even $ amount or $n.50 amount. I really love when I can just spend $5 and not break a bill for the .45c |
| 18:27.05 | Neffi | .45c tax* |
| 18:27.13 | Mr_Rabies | i'm not sure the laws involved but you definitely can say "this is the price, tax included" with some stuff, i dunno if that applies to everything |
| 18:27.17 | nevcairiel | We have everything on .99 or .49 or so <.< |
| 18:27.22 | kd3 | a half-cent tax? that sounds nice |
| 18:27.35 | Neffi | aye! |
| 18:28.16 | Mr_Rabies | but i prefer seeing the actual cost of the goods unless there's a service involved such as food service, etc |
| 18:28.17 | Neffi | Mr_Rabies: But I suspect some of them are doing it for a naughty reason. Not ringing stuff up and such so they can just not bother accounting it for tax purposes later on. (Source: I worked in a shop like this) |
| 18:28.35 | Neffi | They dont mind if they end up making less by including tax prices, because they cook their books anyway |
| 18:28.59 | Mr_Rabies | oh yeah i'm sure some tax fraud happens on both sides of the issue |
| 18:29.45 | Mr_Rabies | or i guess grey area tax fraud in the example of "tax included" since you could just cook the books in your favor pretty well |
| 18:30.52 | Neffi | I do know it's legal to include tax |
| 18:30.56 | karl_w_w | jleclanche, im watching the vod now and wondering why it's so smooth looking compared to when i play |
| 18:31.08 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: options -> FPS |
| 18:31.09 | jleclanche | er |
| 18:31.13 | Neffi | Most places don't because it makes their products look more expensive than whoever doesnt include tax |
| 18:31.14 | jleclanche | options -> quality -> high |
| 18:31.20 | karl_w_w | yeah i have that on |
| 18:31.36 | jleclanche | you probably have something limiting your fps then |
| 18:31.41 | jleclanche | or a cpu bottleneck |
| 18:32.46 | karl_w_w | nah |
| 18:33.23 | karl_w_w | unless hearthstone is both really badly optimized and doesn't allow it's fps to be reported correctly by overlays |
| 18:34.15 | karl_w_w | and it looks smoother than other streams as well |
| 18:34.23 | karl_w_w | maybe vods are smoother somehow |
| 18:34.58 | Mr_Rabies | do vods support 60fps? |
| 18:43.39 | karl_w_w | I'll download it and find out |
| 18:44.08 | karl_w_w | that'll probably take a couple of hours :P |
| 18:50.19 | karl_w_w | the vod ends before the end -_- |
| 18:51.01 | Mr_Rabies | owned |
| 18:51.26 | karl_w_w | and then continues in another one |
| 18:51.31 | karl_w_w | twitch is so bad |
| 18:52.15 | karl_w_w | or does it continue |
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| 19:00.35 | Ressy | Someone else was having issues with -console not passing? Apparently its a bug with the latest Beta build, and not the launcher. |
| 19:01.08 | Ressy | Shortcut directly to the .exe with -console added works. |
| 19:01.37 | Neffi | Ressy: Somebody mentioned that, yes. And it's a bug in the launcher, and it was mentioned that this bug crops up like every other build |
| 19:02.05 | Ressy | http://us.battle.net/en/forum/topic/13816271600?page=1 |
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| 19:11.45 | bluipodcow | I wonder if setting it under game options in the BDA will work |
| 19:12.14 | bluipodcow | It works for forcing between oz and us game servers for D3 |
| 19:14.21 | bluipodcow | Oh it's bugged according to that thread. /sadness |
| 19:22.54 | Fisker- | btw jleclanche |
| 19:23.13 | Fisker- | did you hear about baron rivendare, auchenai soulpriest and double zombie chow? |
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| 19:35.21 | Neffi | Semlar: ping |
| 19:35.31 | Semlar | pong neffi |
| 19:35.33 | Neffi | Semlar: can I steal your code, again, for resizing nameplates? |
| 19:35.43 | Semlar | perhaps |
| 19:36.22 | Semlar | i think it's in the clickthru file of semlarplates |
| 19:37.13 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:37.25 | Semlar | but i gotta go, 23 skidoo! |
| 19:37.33 | Neffi | thanks semlar darling |
| 19:37.37 | Neffi | I'll be sure to credit you |
| 19:37.54 | nevcairiel | I wouldn't |
| 19:38.30 | Semlar | i don't think that's the best solution i came up with for resizing the plates |
| 19:38.44 | Semlar | but it's alright |
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| 19:40.25 | Neffi | Does it work? because my solution doesn't really |
| 19:40.30 | Neffi | it seems to work like 10% of the time |
| 19:41.12 | Neffi | Anyway I can fix it later. Just refactoring my nameplate code and fixing that part so I can push it to Github without feeling embarassed ;) |
| 19:46.42 | kd3 | well, I'm ready for BlizzCon 2014... pic.twitter.com/Tybw1YfJoh |
| 19:57.02 | kullervo | can't click because my url regex is lame but I'm assuming that's slowpoke.jpg |
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| 20:14.03 | kd3 | do do do... https://pic.twitter.com/Tybw1YfJoh |
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| 20:25.15 | foxlit | Iâm mildly surprised maintank1, mainassist1 and so on arenât actual units. |
| 20:28.59 | alestane | Because they're not unique in raids. |
| 20:29.16 | alestane | And there's no clear order or identity to each one. |
| 20:29.57 | foxlit | doesnât the same apply to party1? |
| 20:33.06 | alestane | Well, at the time, I believe the argument was made that raid roles were not necessarily even guaranteeed to be consistent from fight to fight, or to stay stable when a new member was added to the list. |
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| 20:38.58 | Neffi | Semlar: I derived this from your code. what is the meaning of checking newstate == 'on'? https://gist.github.com/4365441bfc3017590ff8 |
| 20:39.38 | Neffi | Well, it seems to mean that you only attempt to scale when you successfully mouse over an enemy. Are there consequences to also attempting to scale when you finish mousing over an enemy? Is it too spammy? |
| 20:46.30 | Semlar | no point |
| 20:46.57 | Semlar | there's no reason to rescale the nameplates when mousing off of one |
| 20:47.22 | Semlar | the only thing we care about is making them smaller if we mouse over one that's larger than it should be |
| 20:49.01 | Semlar | i'm almost positive SetSize doesn't exist in the restricted environment |
| 20:49.34 | Neffi | I get no error, but I'll change it |
| 20:49.38 | Neffi | :SetHeight/Width do, right? |
| 20:49.42 | Semlar | yeah |
| 20:49.50 | Semlar | but it would definitely throw an error |
| 20:49.56 | Semlar | if it didn't exist |
| 20:50.10 | Semlar | and i'm like 98% sure it doesn't exist |
| 20:50.36 | Semlar | so your code probably isn't running |
| 20:51.16 | Neffi | is print() available? where the hell is the page on this stuff |
| 20:51.20 | Semlar | yes |
| 20:51.24 | Semlar | http://wowpedia.org/RestrictedEnvironment |
| 20:52.10 | Semlar | anyway, the easy way to test in game is to make a texture on each nameplate that covers the clickable portion |
| 20:53.33 | Neffi | 'RUNNED; 4 nameplates found; run SETSIZE on 0 items' |
| 20:53.39 | Neffi | hmm, it's running, but not working |
| 20:54.00 | Semlar | to be fair you're also not using my code |
| 20:54.07 | Neffi | I think `if strmatch(f:GetName() or '','^NamePlate%d+$') then` is failing |
| 20:54.08 | Semlar | this is what happens when you meddle! |
| 20:54.39 | Semlar | i'm willing to bet it's one of the things you changed, not my pattern |
| 20:54.40 | Neffi | fine. I'll use your code |
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| 20:54.50 | Neffi | if it's not, I'ma ~lart you |
| 20:55.17 | Semlar | this also is not my entire script, i didn't add that stuff at the bottom for nothing |
| 20:56.38 | Semlar | although there are obviously things in here that do nothing, so i can see how that might be confusing |
| 20:57.54 | Neffi | Semlar: I only removed commented out lines and changed SetScale to SetHeight/Width, and it still says it's doing SETSIZE on 0 items |
| 20:57.55 | Neffi | https://gist.github.com/9b9661edd7171f5a91c7 |
| 20:58.09 | Semlar | yeah, there's code OUTSIDE of the secure handler that's part of it |
| 20:58.36 | Semlar | the camera stuff isn't something you can remove |
| 20:59.15 | Neffi | ahhh, ok |
| 20:59.48 | Semlar | you might be able to if you set the size of the plate instead of the scale, but maybe not |
| 21:00.25 | Semlar | i know if you set the scale the nameplates do not update their anchors until you move the camera |
| 21:00.28 | Neffi | Still doesn't appear to be applying sizes |
| 21:01.56 | Semlar | did you mouse over a unit? |
| 21:02.13 | Semlar | because i added a print statement to my script and it works fine |
| 21:02.40 | Neffi | here's the script. The print statement fires every time I mouse over something |
| 21:02.59 | Semlar | i added a print after my SetScale |
| 21:03.11 | Semlar | print('scaled', f:GetName()) |
| 21:03.24 | Semlar | i mouse over a unit, it tells me it scaled every nameplate |
| 21:05.18 | Neffi | so copying again verbatim and not removing the commented out stuff made the print fire, but only for a single nameplate, when there's several visible |
| 21:05.19 | Neffi | ugh |
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| 21:06.43 | Neffi | In fact I can see one single nameplate nudging when it runs, and that's it |
| 21:07.07 | Semlar | i don't know what to tell you neffi, my script works |
| 21:07.45 | Semlar | i couldn't possibly use my nameplates if they stayed the same size as the original |
| 21:08.19 | foxlit | why donât you take the seat over there, and tell us what you were planning to do to that PlayerFrame? |
| 21:08.36 | Semlar | that's just leftover code |
| 21:09.33 | Semlar | from when i was testing whether you could move the nameplates to a specific area on screen |
| 21:11.05 | Neffi | :format()ing in the size was breaking it. I wonder wtf why |
| 21:11.25 | foxlit | '^NamePlate%d+$' |
| 21:11.27 | foxlit | ahem. |
| 21:11.49 | Semlar | gg neffi |
| 21:12.00 | Semlar | this is what happens when you mess with perfection |
| 21:12.19 | Neffi | no, now it runs, but does nothing, because the object is still wide and skinny |
| 21:12.39 | Semlar | just hardcode the size into it |
| 21:12.58 | Semlar | also you're not sizing the right frame |
| 21:13.05 | Neffi | foxlit: hmm? |
| 21:13.26 | Semlar | he's saying if you run format on that string it's going to replace the %d in strmatch |
| 21:13.31 | Neffi | Semlar: that could be a problem! I thought I was, but I havent touched nameplates in a while |
| 21:13.47 | Neffi | Oh, he's right. Found one bug, thanks foxlit |
| 21:14.26 | Neffi | Semlar: I guess I have to be setting the size on the first child? |
| 21:14.32 | Semlar | yes |
| 21:14.46 | Semlar | the parent nameplate just has :SetAllPoints() on its first child |
| 21:15.07 | Semlar | i'm not even sure you can access the first child in combat |
| 21:15.18 | Semlar | it's not secure |
| 21:15.22 | Neffi | Gorgeous. It works |
| 21:15.33 | Neffi | :GetChildren() is listed in RestrictedEnv wiki page |
| 21:15.51 | Semlar | yeah |
| 21:15.53 | Semlar | but |
| 21:15.56 | Semlar | when you enter combat |
| 21:16.08 | Semlar | the game pretty much decides you can't access any non-secure frames from the restricted environment |
| 21:16.17 | Semlar | so you may want to test that |
| 21:16.31 | Neffi | So this is probably not possible? |
| 21:17.00 | Semlar | the only reason to size the width and height are if you want to change the aspect ratio of the nameplate |
| 21:17.31 | Semlar | assuming you can |
| 21:17.32 | Neffi | which I do |
| 21:17.43 | Semlar | because otherwise scale would be fine |
| 21:18.05 | Semlar | scale is preferable because it doesn't get reset when the plate is reshown |
| 21:18.25 | Neffi | It might |
| 21:18.29 | Semlar | and there's a delay before mousestate fires |
| 21:18.37 | Neffi | If it gets reused to show a 'minus' target, the scale is set to <.5 |
| 21:18.43 | Semlar | i know it bloody well doesn't get reset because i went through a lot of testing when i wrote this |
| 21:18.57 | Neffi | oh, nvm |
| 21:19.01 | Semlar | the mini nameplates are the first child |
| 21:19.02 | Neffi | 1st child gets scaled instead |
| 21:19.43 | Neffi | My aspect ratio is appreciably different than default, so I dont think mere scaling is sufficient. But I'll have to do a lot of testing to see if I can find a workable scale that's not too far off what I want |
| 21:20.18 | Semlar | just go punch a target dummy without mousing over a unit, then mouse over something and see if it can still change the size of the first child |
| 21:20.42 | Semlar | that will tell you if it can be done in combat |
| 21:21.24 | Semlar | if you can't do it in combat, there is an alternative, super hacky way of doing it that i probably shouldn't even suggest |
| 21:21.41 | Semlar | and it would only work if the nameplate was created outside of combat |
| 21:23.23 | Neffi | resizing works in combat |
| 21:24.06 | Neffi | Whole thing solved. Thanks for all the help man |
| 21:24.20 | Semlar | just bear in mind the main reason i didn't use SetWidth and SetHeight are because of the delay before it kicks in after you mouse over a nameplate |
| 21:24.34 | Semlar | which means you can click on it before it resizes |
| 21:25.06 | Neffi | I don't tend to click on the nameplates. I want to resize them so they aren't taking up way more space than needed on one axis, and overlapping on the other |
| 21:25.15 | Neffi | I would be 100% fine if they were non clickable |
| 21:25.41 | Semlar | for spreading? |
| 21:25.49 | Semlar | does this even affect spreading |
| 21:26.11 | Neffi | yes, it does |
| 21:26.20 | Semlar | which mode |
| 21:26.33 | Neffi | "Spreading" |
| 21:26.45 | Neffi | I'd take a video but I dont even have screenrecording software |
| 21:26.58 | Semlar | does it affect stacking |
| 21:27.03 | Neffi | But it *definitely* affects spreading. It's blatantly obvious in the area I'm testing |
| 21:27.28 | Neffi | All the nameplates suddenly get sucked inward because they were previously spread way too far |
| 21:27.30 | Semlar | i only play with overlapping nameplates |
| 21:28.09 | Semlar | if you don't want them clickable at all you could do away with them permanently and in fact display them wherever you want |
| 21:28.39 | Neffi | wouldn't that just involve unnecessary CPU overhead to implement? I don't care that they are clickable |
| 21:28.48 | Neffi | Rather, what is the overhead of that? |
| 21:28.59 | Semlar | nope, attaching your nameplate to the real nameplate is actually worse on your framerate |
| 21:29.18 | Semlar | made a whooooole post about this on wowi |
| 21:29.27 | Neffi | What does that involve? How do you anchor your custom plate above the head? |
| 21:29.34 | Neffi | And how do you get rid of the default plate? |
| 21:29.36 | Semlar | the first child determines the position |
| 21:29.46 | Semlar | the "parent" is what the clicky part follows |
| 21:30.16 | Neffi | So you hide the parent, and then run on OnUpdate to anchor the custom plate onto the first child? |
| 21:30.26 | Semlar | so if you wanted to remove the clickable portion but still keep your nameplate above their heads, you just clear the parent's points |
| 21:30.41 | Semlar | reposition your plate onupdate to where the first child is |
| 21:30.44 | Neffi | which you must do in restrictedenv |
| 21:31.10 | Semlar | the anchor clearing, sure |
| 21:31.19 | Semlar | not the display of your nameplates of course |
| 21:31.34 | Neffi | I think I'm gonna keep it clickable for now. I tried to separate things cleanly so it's trivial to fork and rework the style |
| 21:31.38 | Neffi | Other people probably want clicky |
| 21:32.05 | Neffi | But even still, manual position via OnUpdate is faster? Are you certain? |
| 21:33.16 | Semlar | i'm a billion percent sure that HIDING the frame, moving it, then reshowing it again, onupdate, has much, much less impact on your frame rate than attaching your frame to their frame |
| 21:33.33 | Semlar | there is something fucky about how blizzard handles moving visible frames |
| 21:35.03 | Neffi | I'm gonna run some tests to see what kind of impact you're talking about |
| 21:35.12 | Semlar | presumably it applies to reanchoring any frame |
| 21:35.17 | Neffi | If it's miniscule, 'meh' |
| 21:35.21 | Semlar | it's not miniscule |
| 21:35.31 | Semlar | it's a huge difference |
| 21:35.52 | Semlar | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46740 |
| 21:36.51 | Semlar | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showpost.php?p=280548&postcount=5 this post in particular if you just want to test it |
| 21:40.23 | karl_w_w | https://twitter.com/ZephyrDota/status/500344962991783936 that is cruel and unusual |
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| 22:01.57 | kd3|hate`net | guh. big uploads over crap internet are unfun. think I need to go hang out in a starbucks or something for a bit |
| 22:05.57 | Neffi | Hmm. Semlar, you probably know this. Is there any cleaner way of checking when the alpha of a nameplate changes (you targeted one) except checking GetAlpha every OnUpdate? |
| 22:06.09 | Semlar | nope |
| 22:06.48 | Semlar | well |
| 22:07.30 | Semlar | if you want to reduce the overhead |
| 22:07.56 | Semlar | you need to check a little bit of time after the player switches targets |
| 22:08.19 | Semlar | and then only if that nameplate gets hidden do you need to rescan for it |
| 22:08.59 | Semlar | it would probably be more trouble than it's worth to keep track of |
| 22:09.45 | Semlar | you also only need to scan if the player's target has a guid you haven't already tied to a nameplate |
| 22:15.51 | Neffi | hmm. the 1 frame lag with your solution is noticeable with my framerate |
| 22:16.57 | zenzelezz | what framerate is that, roughly? |
| 22:18.13 | Neffi | between 15 and 30, varying |
| 22:18.40 | zenzelezz | ouch |
| 22:18.56 | Neffi | My current nameplates are 1 frame with 3 fontstrings attached. I don't think your solution is necessary, but I'm leaving it in commented out |
| 22:19.04 | Neffi | Or perhaps I'll add a switch to the top of the file to enable it |
| 22:19.54 | Kraps | Garrosh attempted to have Vol'jin assassinated for "disloyalty" |
| 22:19.56 | Kraps | whoa |
| 22:20.08 | kd3|hate`net | what do you think the 'dagger in the dark' scenario was? |
| 22:20.45 | Kraps | dunno, havent played in a whlie |
| 22:21.29 | kd3 | http://wowpedia.org/Dagger_in_the_Dark |
| 22:21.29 | foxlit | also, Anduin got crushed by a bell. He got better. |
| 22:22.26 | Kesava | Neffi: disconnecting your own nameplates from the real nameplates and setting their position OnUpdate is -significantly- faster |
| 22:22.40 | Kraps | " The Timewalkers feel that they should have the ability and right to change the timelines however they see fit (sort of like Chris Metzen), " lol irl |
| 22:22.53 | Kraps | foxlit: oh dear, what happened |
| 22:22.54 | Kesava | there's a 1 frame display lag because.. that's how it works. but that's the only real drawback. |
| 22:23.09 | Neffi | Kesava: Yes, semlar established that. But it also causes a delay in the position. My nameplates lag 1 frame behind the real position. At low framerates, that's *blatantly* noticeable and almost jarring |
| 22:23.39 | Semlar | tries to calm neffi down |
| 22:23.46 | Neffi | On the contrary with simple nameplates (only 3 fontstrings) the impact of allowing the engine to manage the anchor doesn't seem to be noticeable. I'm GPU-bound, not CPU-bound |
| 22:23.52 | Neffi | ;) |
| 22:24.07 | foxlit | upgrade the tincan! |
| 22:24.13 | Kesava | i see |
| 22:24.18 | Neffi | foxlit: being broke sucks D: |
| 22:25.01 | Neffi | And it's a laptop so it's not like I can just stick a new GPU in there! Well, not without setting up an ExpressCard -> PCI-E adapter and external PSU. And that's way too expensive for me |
| 22:26.43 | Kesava | the frame lag is noticable for me too at 40ish fps, but.. that's not as important to me as having it not be a blurry mess |
| 22:26.52 | Kesava | but that wouldn't be an issue with just font strings so yeah |
| 22:27.47 | Kesava | fixing aliasing being the original reason i used that method |
| 22:27.51 | Kesava | then zork stole it from me |
| 22:31.03 | Neffi | Alright. Best of both worlds. Anyone forking and rewriting the style has a convenient switch to enable/disable manual positioning |
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| 22:55.54 | jleclanche | anyone with a sylvanas available for a quick hearthstone test? |
| 22:55.59 | jleclanche | EU please |
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| 22:57.10 | jleclanche | Fisker-: ^ ? |
| 22:59.14 | Fisker- | Sure |
| 23:44.40 | Neffi | http://arstechnica.com/cars/2014/08/tesla-removes-mileage-limits-on-drive-unit-warranty-program/ |
