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| 01:42.52 | Mr_Rabies | urgh i wish i could figure out what was causing taint issues |
| 01:42.58 | kd3 | breathing |
| 01:43.09 | Mr_Rabies | haven't been in combat or anything, getting random taint from trying to interact with bags or bg queues |
| 01:43.29 | Mr_Rabies | it's super random and taintlog is useless |
| 01:43.37 | kd3 | like I said, breathing |
| 01:44.59 | Shirik | today I learned that the only thing my IT department does quickly and accurately is disable my international connection |
| 01:45.14 | Shirik | within 30 minutes of me being back in the US, they disconnected the international plan from my phone |
| 01:45.24 | kd3 | heh |
| 01:45.33 | kd3 | and wow at superprotect. wmf's really trying too hard |
| 01:49.49 | Shirik | so I don't think it's really that big of a deal |
| 01:49.53 | Shirik | but they did already use it on dewiki |
| 01:50.19 | Shirik | but I know a bunch of WMF staffers and we had a chat about it in London; they don't really expect to use it for anything except office actions |
| 01:50.36 | Shirik | and for things that are seriously breaking the wiki, like common.js wheel wars |
| 01:50.45 | kd3 | coming from someone who's dealt with hosts forcing changes that the folks running the wiki don't agree with, ugh. bad juju |
| 01:51.11 | Shirik | was that what happened with wowwiki? |
| 01:51.16 | kd3 | yes |
| 01:51.18 | Shirik | I never knew what really happened |
| 01:52.02 | kd3 | wikia went 'hey, here's a new skin.' we went 'this is objectively worse for everything we're already doing on the wiki. here are plenty of examples'. wikia goes 'screw you, we're doing it anyway' |
| 01:52.15 | kd3 | is what it boiled down to |
| 01:52.29 | kd3 | there were lots of other things in the background, but that was ~4 years ago now at this point, I'm trying to forget |
| 01:52.43 | kd3 | oh, heh. my script worked for once. emails away |
| 01:52.54 | Shirik | I think WMF has generally been willing to work with the community on those kinds of things |
| 01:53.17 | Shirik | the big disagreement seems to be in the realm of "the site should support the readers, not the editors, when one has to be chosen over the other" |
| 01:53.29 | Shirik | a lot of wikipedians get that, but not everyone |
| 01:54.00 | Torhal | What the hell is the point of editors if reading is a pain in the ass? |
| 01:54.04 | Shirik | there actually was almost a fistfight at wikimania over this :P |
| 01:54.07 | Torhal | o.O |
| 01:54.12 | Shirik | it was really amusing |
| 01:54.16 | kd3 | yah. and it's true, the readers far outnumber editors that things should work better for the public, so long as those changes don't get in the way of editors doing their thing |
| 01:54.28 | kd3 | wow, let's try that sentence again |
| 01:54.57 | kd3 | the readers far outnumber the editors, so for public-facing things, changes should be made to make things better for readers so long as those changes don't get in the way of editors |
| 01:55.14 | Shirik | and in general, editors also know how to turn off those changes |
| 01:55.25 | Shirik | most editors are power-users |
| 01:55.28 | kd3 | things like the lightbox? a good idea for readers, and editors should be able to turn it off |
| 01:58.48 | kd3 | still, wmf going 'no common.js editing for you?' not a fan |
| 01:59.34 | Simca | the wowwiki skin still baffles me |
| 01:59.54 | Simca | 1/3 of the page is like youtube video advertising for completely unrelated videos |
| 02:00.38 | Shirik | kd3: they only did it on dewiki |
| 02:00.46 | Shirik | and only because an edit war occurred |
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| 02:53.37 | Torhal | I'm trying to figure out why this would even be necessary: "Has anyone tried to install Minion in Wine for Linux?" |
| 02:53.41 | Torhal | o.O |
| 02:53.43 | Torhal | O.o |
| 02:54.05 | kd3 | isn't minion a java app? |
| 02:54.09 | Torhal | kd3: Exactly. |
| 02:54.24 | Torhal | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=295184#post295184 |
| 02:59.52 | Shirik | kd3: now here comes the fun part |
| 03:00.40 | Shirik | the WMF staff member involved in the edit war has (1) been blocked on dewiki, and (2) been found out to have never successfully run an RFA on enwiki, despite being an admin (he was granted the powers "temporarily" in 2003), and so now people are calling for a desysop |
| 03:01.02 | kd3 | ! |
| 03:01.12 | kd3 | I think I've got some popcorn lying around somewhere... |
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| 03:01.15 | Kraps | hahaha |
| 03:01.35 | Kraps | 2 sounds like someone messed up paperwork somewhere |
| 03:01.45 | Shirik | yeah I don't think anyone really knew about that |
| 03:02.07 | Shirik | except that because of this mess, someone bothered to look for his RFA it seems |
| 03:02.16 | Shirik | and couldn't find it, and then found the request for "temporary access to move some pages" |
| 03:06.07 | kd3 | where's the talk about the potential desysop thing? I see the ban link in VPT |
| 03:06.47 | Shirik | BN |
| 03:07.22 | kd3 | ah |
| 03:07.40 | Shirik | it doesn't really make any sense to be there |
| 03:07.41 | Shirik | but it is |
| 03:08.11 | Torhal | Really, though, dolby - having the working copy detection as default would be an impetus for users to tell authors to stop being sloppy. :D |
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| 03:30.50 | tem | reading old addon forum drama from 2007 is amusing |
| 03:31.19 | tem | I can't remember what KTM stands for, but I'll never forget that it checked if UnitClass("player") == "Hunter" in an OnUpdate |
| 03:31.34 | kd3 | K...something threat meter |
| 03:31.59 | kd3 | that blew up early in BC. lots of polling stupidity happening in _shattrath_ |
| 03:32.13 | tem | OH YEAH |
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| 03:41.03 | Arrowmaster | KLHThreatMeter |
| 03:54.35 | Neffi | 78 to start Cata quests or 80? |
| 03:54.46 | tem | 80 |
| 03:55.12 | tem | 58 and 68 for BC and LK, but 80, 85 and 90 for CC, Mists and WoD |
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| 04:01.00 | Dagmar | I can't help but think that Blackrock Tea must taste _nasty_ |
| 04:01.25 | bluspacecow | *waves at Dagmar* |
| 04:02.10 | Dagmar | I did a serious double-take when I read that tooltip |
| 04:02.55 | Dagmar | I started to report "YOU AMERICANS REALLY HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO MAKE TEA, DO YOU?" |
| 04:04.59 | bluspacecow | your talking about the nation that threw theirs overboard |
| 04:05.04 | Neffi | Dagmar: We make the best tea |
| 04:05.05 | bluspacecow | and celebrate that every single year |
| 04:05.32 | Neffi | First, we start by grinding up roasted coffee beans. Then we put them in the coffee filter and turn on the coffee maker. Then we throw the tea in the harbor 'cause fuck yeah, murrica |
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| 04:05.46 | bluspacecow | MURRICA |
| 04:05.51 | bluspacecow | DUCK YEAR |
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| 04:06.24 | Mr_Rabies | what does the tooltip say, Dagmar, can't find it on wowhead yet apparently |
| 04:06.55 | Dagmar | It says "Combine ten of these to make one Green Tea leaf." |
| 04:07.21 | Dagmar | I was already clicking to combine them before my brain parsed "Green Tea Leaf". wha... what? |
| 04:07.46 | bluspacecow | https://twitter.com/BillntwrkBill/status/498922483995926528 |
| 04:07.51 | bluspacecow | lol idiot |
| 04:09.17 | Shirik | lolwat |
| 04:10.22 | bluspacecow | i hungry Shirik |
| 04:11.02 | Shirik | eat, papa, eat! |
| 04:11.40 | bluspacecow | kk bai |
| 04:11.55 | bluspacecow | *wanders off in search of eats* |
| 04:13.56 | Kraps | whats lords of war |
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| 04:16.52 | Mr_Rabies | looks like a motion comic/animatic dealio |
| 04:17.10 | Mr_Rabies | or maybe just a comic |
| 04:17.32 | Kraps | so is it only consoles |
| 04:17.44 | Mr_Rabies | uh, probably not |
| 04:17.50 | Mr_Rabies | i think that guy's got some screws loose |
| 04:20.48 | Kraps | so its for consoles only? |
| 04:22.10 | Mr_Rabies | ye |
| 04:22.48 | Kraps | oh ok |
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| 05:08.44 | karl_w_w | wow really? zelda williams was named after the legend of |
| 05:09.29 | kd3 | he was a far bigger gamer than people assumed |
| 05:09.37 | Stanzilla | he also played wow |
| 05:09.51 | Stanzilla | if that didn't come up yet |
| 05:09.57 | Stanzilla | *a |
| 05:15.40 | Gethe | blizz is working on an in-game tribute |
| 05:16.03 | Neffi | Gethe: ? |
| 05:16.33 | Gethe | for Robin Williams |
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| 05:16.43 | Neffi | I mean, like, source? |
| 05:16.55 | Gethe | https://twitter.com/Celestalon/status/499035185854156801 |
| 05:17.44 | Stanzilla | that is great |
| 05:17.44 | Neffi | Gethe: Ah. I was hoping the source involved details |
| 05:18.09 | Gethe | i'm sure we |
| 05:18.25 | Gethe | im sure we'll see it in a build or two |
| 05:19.13 | Neffi | in other news, this is going to be a thing, and I can't wait http://wod.wowhead.com/item=118515 |
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| 05:26.14 | nevcairiel | Except its not RAF |
| 05:28.26 | Stanzilla | when are you coming home, nevcairiel |
| 05:29.21 | nevcairiel | Why |
| 05:31.02 | Stanzilla | are you scared? |
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| 05:31.38 | Stanzilla | just asking :D |
| 05:32.46 | nevcairiel | Dunno yet, depends what the doc says, but not before end of August |
| 05:33.23 | Stanzilla | ok |
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| 06:26.58 | karl_w_w | http://www.ea.com/eaaccess/ "Play the best of EA for $4.99 a month." if that's the best of EA they're gonna have to pay me $5 a month |
| 06:34.39 | karl_w_w | http://gfycat.com/OffensiveSimpleJuliabutterfly on the subject of dota 2 |
| 06:42.07 | karl_w_w | http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/2d9k1p/denied_by_soe_at_ti4/ those comments, uncontrollable laughter |
| 06:44.08 | Mr_Rabies | i really wish i could get into mobas |
| 06:44.12 | Mr_Rabies | they seem neat but like |
| 06:44.23 | Mr_Rabies | literally all of them have the worst communities on the whole internet |
| 06:45.44 | Mr_Rabies | this is coming from someone who frequents some of the more sane boards on 4chin |
| 06:48.30 | karl_w_w | dota is actually ok |
| 06:48.51 | karl_w_w | you get the odd dickhead but not every game and you can easily mute them |
| 06:48.52 | Mr_Rabies | it seems as if you're not already a master you shouldn't play |
| 06:49.08 | Mr_Rabies | you'll get insulted, reported, etc |
| 06:49.51 | karl_w_w | you start off with people as new as you |
| 06:50.22 | karl_w_w | you can't play ranked at the start, and normal unranked has a hidden mmr |
| 06:50.23 | Stanzilla | you wish |
| 06:50.27 | Stanzilla | many smurf accounts |
| 06:50.41 | Shirik | that's one thing league has up on dota |
| 06:50.47 | Shirik | it's a lot more difficult to make a smurf in league |
| 06:50.48 | Torhal | wonders how long Stanzilla has been a smurf. |
| 06:50.50 | Shirik | it happens, but you lose a lot |
| 06:51.01 | karl_w_w | I've seen a lot of threads of people starting out in dota saying how nice everyone is cos they're all new |
| 06:51.14 | Neffi | new talbuk mounts! best part of WoD so far |
| 06:51.15 | Shirik | that's true of any moba though |
| 06:51.40 | Torhal | Neffi: Totally a reason to buy the expansion and renew, amirite? |
| 06:52.11 | Neffi | totally. just look at that glorious creature http://www.warcraftmounts.com/images/skins/talbukdraenor_purple-greensaddle.jpg |
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| 06:52.43 | Torhal | Looks ike 2007 with refinements. |
| 06:55.21 | nevcairiel | i already liked the old talbuk, used it as my mount for a long tmie |
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| 06:55.51 | Neffi | I hope the white version has the same purple horns. t'was my favorite mount |
| 06:56.26 | nevcairiel | maybe i can get the talbuk out again now that i'll need a ground mount more |
| 06:56.46 | nevcairiel | been using the shado-pan tiger for now, those i also like |
| 06:57.29 | nevcairiel | in MoP i mostly fly around in flight form, mounts get rarely used as it is |
| 06:58.25 | Neffi | A part of me is glad I'm not playing my druid anymore. I miss hunting for cool looking mounts and transmog. Both are pretty useless as a feral |
| 07:00.24 | nevcairiel | i'm kinda happy they removed the permanent tree form, and added the astral form glyph, that way both resto and moonkin get to see their gear |
| 07:00.46 | Neffi | lucky. cats have been asking for gear forever |
| 07:01.02 | Neffi | but I guess that request never made much sense |
| 07:01.38 | Mr_Rabies | it's not an easy fix |
| 07:01.50 | Mr_Rabies | because humanoid forms look awful at a <1.0 attack speed |
| 07:01.57 | Mr_Rabies | with a 2h animation set |
| 07:02.10 | Mr_Rabies | i still wish they'd have done my suggestion for fist weapons |
| 07:02.30 | Mr_Rabies | make them 2 handers mechanically, and just put one in each hand, and let feral use them too |
| 07:02.38 | Mr_Rabies | or let druids dual wield and do a conversion like monks |
| 07:02.54 | Mr_Rabies | feral/guardian at least |
| 07:03.21 | Mr_Rabies | then they could allow some fist weapons to appear on the feral form's front paws |
| 07:03.22 | nevcairiel | that wouldnt change how it looks, cant really equip fist weapons to cats or bears, it would look horrible |
| 07:03.35 | Mr_Rabies | many would look terrible though, yeah |
| 07:03.36 | nevcairiel | unless they entirely design differnt models for those |
| 07:03.44 | Neffi | a bear with fist weapons? |
| 07:03.45 | Mr_Rabies | but some would look pretty good, i think |
| 07:03.46 | Neffi | yes plz |
| 07:03.50 | Mr_Rabies | the claw based ones, at least |
| 07:04.05 | Mr_Rabies | the ones that are like, handblades, not so much maybe? |
| 07:04.20 | nevcairiel | most would just stick into the ground when you're walking |
| 07:04.42 | Mr_Rabies | hmm, is there anything out there that adds rarity based color borders to items in your char pane and/or guild bank? |
| 07:04.54 | Mr_Rabies | adibags does it for stuff in my bags |
| 07:05.19 | Torhal | Mr_Rabies: oGlow |
| 07:06.17 | Mr_Rabies | looks like oglow's wowi only but i guess that's okay for now with such a straightforward addon |
| 07:06.41 | Torhal | I'm pretty sure haste is WoWI-only. |
| 07:07.13 | Mr_Rabies | oh right he's one of the team writing minion isn't he lol |
| 07:08.08 | Torhal | No idea. :D |
| 07:08.31 | Semlar | equips neffi as an offhand |
| 07:08.44 | Neffi | eww, now I'm all sticky |
| 07:08.45 | Torhal | equips Semlar as an offfoot. |
| 07:08.47 | Mr_Rabies | i wanna make the switch but it's... definitely lacking compared to curse client in terms of checking versions |
| 07:09.10 | Mr_Rabies | it's telling me to install older versions of 20 some odd addons |
| 07:09.25 | nevcairiel | is minion even still alive |
| 07:09.30 | nevcairiel | i never see any mention of it |
| 07:09.41 | Mr_Rabies | they're sorta softlaunching a new version |
| 07:09.51 | Mr_Rabies | it's really nice |
| 07:09.52 | Torhal | nevcairiel: Completely new beast. |
| 07:10.03 | Mr_Rabies | but not quite up to curse client in terms of featureset yet |
| 07:10.16 | Mr_Rabies | it is way faster, no ads, and no limitations on cocurrent downloads, etc |
| 07:10.51 | nevcairiel | i heard future curse client will also be like that |
| 07:10.54 | Semlar | so the only downside is it doesn't work? |
| 07:11.07 | Mr_Rabies | it works, just like |
| 07:11.10 | Torhal | One of these days, when v6 of CC is released, it also will have no ads nor download limits. |
| 07:11.15 | Mr_Rabies | it's not great at telling what version of an addon i have installed |
| 07:11.16 | Torhal | I've been hearing that for a year, though... |
| 07:11.38 | Mr_Rabies | now, if i got whatever version it was offering from wowi it'd probably self-correct eventually |
| 07:12.20 | Mr_Rabies | like it's telling me to install _NPCScan_overlay version ____ while i have version ____ |
| 07:12.25 | Mr_Rabies | and that's not a placeholder, that's what it says |
| 07:12.26 | Mr_Rabies | blank |
| 07:13.26 | Mr_Rabies | and skada 1.4-17 while i have 1.4-19. |
| 07:14.36 | Mr_Rabies | it's really slick just not really ready for primetime yet |
| 07:14.38 | Semlar | it doesn't help that it has to decipher all the different ways someone might write a version number |
| 07:15.01 | Torhal | UTC DateTime is superior. |
| 07:15.08 | Mr_Rabies | and it misreads a lot of my version numbers, as well |
| 07:15.09 | haste | Mr_Rabies: I'm not :) |
| 07:15.15 | Mr_Rabies | oh, you're not, derp |
| 07:15.18 | Mr_Rabies | i forgot who was |
| 07:15.23 | haste | Shirik is! |
| 07:15.31 | haste | or was.. I have no idea anymore :D |
| 07:15.31 | Mr_Rabies | that explains why it's running the botnet |
| 07:15.34 | Torhal | Shirik was the old guy. |
| 07:15.39 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 07:15.42 | Shirik | ? |
| 07:15.45 | Torhal | Minion. |
| 07:16.00 | Shirik | I don't work on it anymore |
| 07:16.04 | nevcairiel | Shirik's version failed |
| 07:16.09 | haste | aww |
| 07:16.11 | Torhal | Ouch |
| 07:16.20 | haste | http://pbfcomics.com/263/ :D |
| 07:16.56 | Stanzilla | last time I asked nobody knew who's working on it now :p |
| 07:17.40 | Semlar | maybe it's finally become sentient and is writing itself |
| 07:18.32 | Mr_Rabies | oh, dolby |
| 07:18.34 | Mr_Rabies | is |
| 07:20.45 | Neffi | maybe Semlar finally became sentient |
| 07:20.54 | Semlar | that doesn't sound likely |
| 07:21.53 | Torhal | I don't know, man - you've likely absorbed enough primordial ooze into your bloodstream from your floorboards. |
| 07:21.55 | Neffi | kek |
| 07:22.30 | Semlar | i covered my car in duck tape so it should be good |
| 07:22.41 | Torhal | ... |
| 07:23.04 | Semlar | i mean i can't get into it any more |
| 07:23.14 | Torhal | Next think you know, he'll be using shoe polish to cover it in scripture and start hanging out in Walmart parking lots. |
| 07:23.17 | Mr_Rabies | if semlar wrote minion it would rip bandwidth from solidice until he blocked it, i think |
| 07:23.31 | Semlar | but i think it stopped leaking |
| 07:23.31 | Torhal | :O |
| 07:24.49 | Semlar | wowhead doesn't have drop info or locations for most of these beta rares |
| 07:24.59 | Semlar | this is unacceptable |
| 07:25.28 | Mr_Rabies | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07So_lJQyqw |
| 07:25.40 | Torhal | Doesnt matter, Semlar - their logo is a WoD gun. |
| 07:25.58 | Semlar | how am i supposed to scrape datas if it isn't there |
| 07:27.35 | Mr_Rabies | install the addon and contribute! |
| 07:27.40 | Semlar | WHAT |
| 07:27.44 | Mr_Rabies | YEAH |
| 07:27.46 | Semlar | never! |
| 07:27.50 | Mr_Rabies | always! |
| 07:27.56 | Mr_Rabies | sometimes? |
| 07:28.14 | Semlar | NEVER |
| 07:28.52 | Mr_Rabies | frankly i dunno what the addon contributes other than drop tables |
| 07:29.11 | Neffi | Semlar: http://youtu.be/ZZ5LpwO-An4 |
| 07:30.08 | Semlar | map locations and health and stuff |
| 07:31.13 | Torhal | Semlar: Check http://beta.wowdb.com/ ? |
| 07:33.00 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure wowpedia has more info on these rares than anything else right now |
| 07:33.47 | Semlar | i think kd3 has been methodically hunting down and wiping them out |
| 07:34.02 | Torhal | It's the alcohol. |
| 07:34.05 | Torhal | Fuels him. |
| 07:34.25 | Torhal | Ok, time to try to go back to bed. Meugh. |
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| 07:37.42 | Mr_Rabies | oh hey |
| 07:37.49 | Mr_Rabies | just surpassed 365 days played on my main |
| 07:38.02 | Mr_Rabies | 86 days at 90 :X |
| 07:38.21 | Stanzilla | 1133days on all toons |
| 07:38.22 | Stanzilla | what now |
| 07:38.44 | Mr_Rabies | i took off two years between ZA and ICC |
| 07:38.59 | Mr_Rabies | daily quests killed the game for me then |
| 07:39.06 | Mr_Rabies | almost did it with MoP too! |
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| 07:51.55 | sb | Stanzilla: nice! |
| 07:53.16 | Stanzilla | not sure |
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| 09:13.47 | nevcairiel | Stanzilla: reach 1337 and then stop playing |
| 09:15.48 | Fisker | I want steamos nevcairiel :( |
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| 09:16.54 | sb | nevcairiel: dont be stupid! :p |
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| 09:17.03 | sb | Stanzilla: reach 31337 and then stop playing! |
| 09:17.10 | nevcairiel | ok, Stanzilla: reach 1337 on every char! |
| 09:17.16 | sb | thats fine |
| 09:20.21 | karl_w_w | Stanzilla: reach 55378008 and then stop playing! |
| 09:20.28 | bluspacecow | :( karl_w_w |
| 09:20.36 | bluspacecow | i was about to go out to get dinner |
| 09:20.39 | bluspacecow | and its raining |
| 09:20.40 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 09:20.46 | bluspacecow | just started :( |
| 09:21.37 | karl_w_w | are you a wicked witch bluspacecow? |
| 09:21.44 | bluspacecow | :( |
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| 09:22.15 | bluspacecow | kodi! |
| 09:22.19 | bluspacecow | y it raining ? |
| 09:22.20 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 09:23.09 | Fisker | btw bluspacecow |
| 09:23.15 | Fisker | http://www.speedtest.net/result/3681950325.png |
| 09:23.16 | Fisker | mad? |
| 09:23.17 | bluspacecow | yeessssssss |
| 09:23.19 | Fisker | jelly? |
| 09:23.34 | bluspacecow | with caramel |
| 09:23.36 | bluspacecow | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 09:24.05 | karl_w_w | 13% are faster is the craziest part |
| 09:24.07 | bluspacecow | *dons pants* |
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| 09:25.00 | Industrial | Fisker: speedtest requires flash so I dont use it but 100/100 |
| 09:25.02 | Industrial | umad? |
| 09:25.13 | Fisker | Not a whole lot Industrial |
| 09:25.18 | bluspacecow | wat |
| 09:25.21 | bluspacecow | hes fisker |
| 09:25.24 | bluspacecow | hes always mad |
| 09:25.29 | Fisker | I'm nomad |
| 09:25.31 | Fisker | and never mad |
| 09:25.51 | bluspacecow | otherwise heâd just be constipated |
| 09:27.03 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:27.14 | bluspacecow | ok bai |
| 09:29.09 | karl_w_w | http://www.speedtest.net/result/3683998942.png |
| 09:30.05 | Semlar | alright, so i figured out you can apply spell effects to the new CinematicModel frames |
| 09:30.37 | Mr_Rabies | ughhhhhh |
| 09:30.42 | Mr_Rabies | i really hate this gap in leveling |
| 09:30.47 | Mr_Rabies | 48-58 is just |
| 09:30.48 | Mr_Rabies | the worst |
| 09:30.59 | Industrial | pvp! |
| 09:31.02 | Mr_Rabies | i got to 48 in like, no time, now it's several hours per level |
| 09:31.10 | Mr_Rabies | queue is forever and alliance always loses |
| 09:31.28 | Mr_Rabies | 10 min wsg queue |
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| 09:31.40 | Mr_Rabies | like, super loses |
| 09:31.40 | nevcairiel | so dont level in pvp |
| 09:31.41 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 09:31.49 | Industrial | I'm pvp leveling my rogue and druid |
| 09:31.52 | Mr_Rabies | <Industrial> pvp! |
| 09:31.56 | Mr_Rabies | that was in response to that, i'm not |
| 09:31.58 | nevcairiel | dont listen to Industrial |
| 09:32.01 | Mr_Rabies | but the dungeon queue is also super long |
| 09:32.02 | nevcairiel | he is out of touch with the world |
| 09:32.12 | Mr_Rabies | and i really don't want to have to run all the way out to blasted lands to quest now |
| 09:32.13 | Industrial | I am living in my own world |
| 09:32.28 | Mr_Rabies | my closest flight point is redridge |
| 09:32.44 | Industrial | A world of 400-500 ambush crits at level 12 |
| 09:32.46 | Industrial | lmao |
| 09:33.23 | nevcairiel | Mr_Rabies: go to searing gorge |
| 09:33.32 | Semlar | this is great, you can make 3d models look like they're casting or getting hit by spells |
| 09:33.36 | Mr_Rabies | also sucks :( |
| 09:33.43 | Mr_Rabies | i miss auto learning flight paths |
| 09:33.54 | Mr_Rabies | this suuuucks |
| 09:34.02 | karl_w_w | just buy level 90 ezpz :P |
| 09:34.10 | Mr_Rabies | this is seriously the grindiest part of the game until level 85 |
| 09:34.13 | nevcairiel | its not that far really, loch modan you hopefully have since its one of those low level things, and running down through badlands is pretty fast |
| 09:34.28 | Mr_Rabies | nope, no loch modan |
| 09:35.01 | Mr_Rabies | they really, really should teach you flight paths when a zone is "grey" |
| 09:35.22 | Maldivia | 48-58 isn't bad... |
| 09:35.36 | Mr_Rabies | it's been like |
| 09:35.40 | Mr_Rabies | 12 hours or so |
| 09:35.43 | nevcairiel | i always do searing gorge -> burning steppes -> blasted lands in that bracket |
| 09:35.45 | Mr_Rabies | whereas the first 48 took that long |
| 09:35.45 | Semlar | you suck at leveling |
| 09:35.56 | Maldivia | tanaris -> ungoro -> silithus |
| 09:36.00 | Mr_Rabies | i leveled in dungeons until that point |
| 09:36.05 | nevcairiel | alternative would be tanaris -> ungoro, but as alliance thats terrible to get to |
| 09:36.06 | Mr_Rabies | and then all the dungeons run out |
| 09:36.10 | Semlar | dungeons never run out |
| 09:36.23 | Maldivia | or searing gorge -> burning steppes -> swamp -> blasted lands |
| 09:36.30 | Mr_Rabies | they totally do |
| 09:36.32 | karl_w_w | new ungoro is good but silithus is still ass |
| 09:36.34 | Mr_Rabies | it's just BRD, BRD, BRD |
| 09:36.39 | Mr_Rabies | and i get no exp per run hardly |
| 09:36.40 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: port to dalaran, take portal to Cavern of Time |
| 09:36.41 | Mr_Rabies | witha 30 min queue |
| 09:36.51 | Semlar | are you playing a class that can tank or heal |
| 09:36.57 | Mr_Rabies | nope |
| 09:36.58 | Mr_Rabies | rogue |
| 09:36.58 | nevcairiel | Maldivia: and how does a level 48 port to dalaran? :d |
| 09:37.06 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: you ask a friendly mage |
| 09:37.11 | nevcairiel | never met one |
| 09:37.12 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 09:37.16 | karl_w_w | i play mage |
| 09:37.20 | karl_w_w | we are not friendly |
| 09:37.32 | Maldivia | shut up waterboy! :P |
| 09:37.36 | Mr_Rabies | i still have no clue why they removed auto learning flight paths |
| 09:37.39 | Mr_Rabies | that's the dumbest thing |
| 09:37.52 | karl_w_w | when was that a thing? |
| 09:37.56 | nevcairiel | if you find a friendly person, they could also just shuttle you in a 2-person flying mount to searing gorge in like 2 minutes from ironforge |
| 09:38.08 | Mr_Rabies | from like, late wrath or early cata until mid MoP |
| 09:38.38 | Mr_Rabies | 6 people in shrine, 6 people in stormwind :p |
| 09:38.49 | nevcairiel | i miss the days when ironforge was actually the alliance place to hang out, then it just shifted to stormwind.. |
| 09:38.53 | jleclanche | Mr_Rabies: they explained why they removed autolearned flight path and i agreed with them before they even did |
| 09:38.57 | Mr_Rabies | <10 people per zones |
| 09:39.05 | Mr_Rabies | why's that jleclanche? |
| 09:39.11 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: it shifted to stormwind as soon as stormwind got an AH because ironforge is a fucking bore |
| 09:39.20 | nevcairiel | i like ironforge! |
| 09:39.24 | nevcairiel | its wipe and open |
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| 09:39.48 | jleclanche | man that sounds so wrong |
| 09:39.49 | Mr_Rabies | i guess i'll just grind mobs in burning steppes |
| 09:39.57 | Mr_Rabies | this is not helping their subs |
| 09:40.02 | nevcairiel | if you're already there, why not quest o.o |
| 09:40.29 | jleclanche | Mr_Rabies: they said they wanted players to feel like there is a point to go to that zone, other than "welp, it's time now" |
| 09:40.37 | nevcairiel | the chain starts at the exit of blackrock mountain |
| 09:40.41 | Mr_Rabies | that's dumb |
| 09:40.45 | jleclanche | quests leading you there, exploration leading you there |
| 09:40.48 | jleclanche | no, its not dumb |
| 09:40.52 | Mr_Rabies | i disagree |
| 09:41.05 | jleclanche | a lot of things in wow are dumb and are causing this situation you're currently having |
| 09:41.07 | Mr_Rabies | now it's basically like |
| 09:41.11 | jleclanche | but autolearning flight paths was part of the problem |
| 09:41.20 | Mr_Rabies | welp, i've got 5 flight points |
| 09:41.24 | jleclanche | leveling is supposed to be an experience, its not supposed to be just something you have to get through |
| 09:41.30 | Mr_Rabies | now i need to go through like 5 zones |
| 09:41.37 | Mr_Rabies | turns out it is after uh |
| 09:41.43 | Mr_Rabies | 5 90s? |
| 09:41.50 | Mr_Rabies | my monk was fun |
| 09:41.55 | Mr_Rabies | but this rogue is a chore |
| 09:42.00 | nevcairiel | it helps if you actually level in the world, instead of just running dungeons from 12 to 50 |
| 09:42.11 | nevcairiel | of course you have nothing to start of with if you never been outside of stormwind :P |
| 09:42.12 | jleclanche | large games arent designed for people who played them five times through i wish people fucking got that |
| 09:42.26 | Mr_Rabies | well |
| 09:42.29 | Mr_Rabies | what should i do then? |
| 09:42.36 | Mr_Rabies | unsub like everyone else? |
| 09:42.43 | nevcairiel | get your ass on a mount and ride to wherever you need to go |
| 09:42.51 | nevcairiel | the time you complained about it, you would already be there |
| 09:42.56 | jleclanche | you have 5 90s, you dont know what you should do? |
| 09:43.05 | Mr_Rabies | i wanted to level a rogue because i figured it'd be fun, and i want to work on insane in the membrane, but this is worse than that grind already |
| 09:43.14 | jleclanche | do what nevcairiel said, or do what you said and unsub, it doesnt matter |
| 09:43.54 | Mr_Rabies | also daily quests kinda |
| 09:43.59 | Mr_Rabies | totally killed my desire to quest |
| 09:44.05 | Mr_Rabies | for...probably years |
| 09:44.12 | jleclanche | yes, its silly you have to go through five zones just to get to your next leveling zone |
| 09:44.20 | jleclanche | but autolearning flight paths is a workaround, not a fix |
| 09:44.22 | nevcairiel | it may make a bit of sense to learn some basic flight points automatically, like to those areas that are actually kinda friendly and an actual town instead of just a fighting outpost |
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| 09:44.27 | jleclanche | the root issue is different |
| 09:44.38 | Mr_Rabies | i don't see why flight paths even have to be learned tbh |
| 09:44.58 | nevcairiel | like, the flightmaster in stormwind will probably know how to send a gryphon to duskwood, since its an actual town there |
| 09:44.59 | Mr_Rabies | especially for accounts that have cleared that content |
| 09:45.00 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: breadcrumb quests are supposed to take that role |
| 09:45.13 | jleclanche | theres a lot of quests *leading* you to a zone, be it by foot, flight or tp |
| 09:45.22 | Mr_Rabies | i guess i'll just log for tonight and queue tomorrow when the dungeon queue doesn't suck so hard |
| 09:45.29 | nevcairiel | breadcrumbs are designed to take you from zone to zone though, if you swap continents in between you lack all that |
| 09:45.31 | Mr_Rabies | i can't wait until i can get to outland |
| 09:45.38 | Mr_Rabies | then it's all dungeons until 85 or so |
| 09:45.40 | nevcairiel | although the heroes wanted board does fill in some |
| 09:45.47 | Mr_Rabies | then i grind worms on timeless isle for about 5 hours |
| 09:45.50 | Mr_Rabies | then i'm 90 |
| 09:45.52 | Mr_Rabies | yay |
| 09:46.08 | nevcairiel | you should realize that your dungeon grinding is actually the reason you dont have any fucking flight points :P |
| 09:46.26 | Mr_Rabies | it's not grinding |
| 09:46.29 | Mr_Rabies | one dungeon is like |
| 09:46.34 | Mr_Rabies | 2 levels as long as you have the quests for it |
| 09:46.39 | jleclanche | and it shouldnt be |
| 09:46.43 | Mr_Rabies | but 48-58 has a huge shitty gap in dungeons |
| 09:46.44 | jleclanche | see here is the problem |
| 09:46.51 | Mr_Rabies | i love dungeons, though |
| 09:46.52 | Mr_Rabies | just not like |
| 09:46.56 | Mr_Rabies | doing BRD 20 times a day |
| 09:47.01 | jleclanche | autolearned flight paths are one of those anti-anti-fun workarounds |
| 09:47.04 | Mr_Rabies | i did that enough back in 2005 |
| 09:47.05 | jleclanche | that are a fucking *problem* |
| 09:47.14 | jleclanche | if none of those were there wow would be in a better spot |
| 09:47.18 | nevcairiel | blackrock depths falls into that level bracket |
| 09:47.26 | Mr_Rabies | yes it does |
| 09:47.28 | Mr_Rabies | 51-61 |
| 09:47.31 | Mr_Rabies | well |
| 09:47.32 | nevcairiel | and the sunken temple, the harder wing anyway |
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| 09:47.42 | Mr_Rabies | 47-61 |
| 09:47.51 | Mr_Rabies | the easier wing isn't even ingame anymore |
| 09:48.05 | nevcairiel | 48-58 seems pretty close to 47-61 :P |
| 09:48.10 | Mr_Rabies | that's brd's bracket |
| 09:48.25 | Mr_Rabies | it's basically all you'll be doing from 48-58 if you dont' really want to quest anymore |
| 09:48.43 | Mr_Rabies | i've done it probably 30 times? |
| 09:48.49 | Mr_Rabies | on this char |
| 09:48.53 | Mr_Rabies | the level 54 one |
| 09:49.12 | nevcairiel | stratholme service entrace also fits into that range, the other part is a bit low |
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| 09:49.28 | Mr_Rabies | i got to level 50 on the 4th and the user experience sucks so much at this point that it's taking me forever to get over the hump |
| 09:49.43 | nevcairiel | you're just whining more than playing, is all |
| 09:49.47 | Mr_Rabies | they needed to space the dungeons out a lot more evenly, this is dumb |
| 09:50.00 | Mr_Rabies | i'm playing, but the queues are so long |
| 09:50.38 | nevcairiel | you would be done already if you just moved to a quest area =p |
| 09:50.57 | Mr_Rabies | i don't like questing anymore |
| 09:51.19 | Mr_Rabies | unfortunately doing 150+ quests a day will do that to you |
| 09:51.25 | Mr_Rabies | for months |
| 09:53.14 | Mr_Rabies | it's kinda crappy to get hardly any new abilities or dungeons or anything for so long is all i'm saying |
| 09:53.20 | Mr_Rabies | and i'm decked out in full heirlooms |
| 09:54.00 | nevcairiel | the game was just never designed for leveling in dungeons only, they have at least 2 zones for every level range in the classic area instead |
| 09:54.25 | Mr_Rabies | it's entirely possible to do that on a class that can tank or heal, or if you're a monk or dk |
| 09:54.54 | nevcairiel | hm next char i'm leveling i should do much more kalimdor |
| 09:54.55 | Mr_Rabies | (i know those can do at least one of those, but you can it on those as any spec) |
| 09:55.10 | Mr_Rabies | kalimdor is a nightmare for alliance, so hopefully it's horde |
| 09:55.43 | nevcairiel | well you gotta run a bit more, but been so long since i've done ashenvale, desolace, feralas, tanaris, ungoro, etc |
| 09:56.05 | Mr_Rabies | maybe flight at 50 would make this more palatable |
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| 09:56.38 | nevcairiel | slow flight doesnt really make it all that much faster |
| 09:56.38 | Mr_Rabies | but honestly, auto learning flight paths would do it too |
| 09:57.12 | Mr_Rabies | traveling across azeroth on the ground really sucks, even on updated azeroth |
| 09:57.24 | Semlar | i literally outlevel a zone before a get to it when i'm leveling a tank |
| 09:57.45 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, that's what most of my alts were like but this is just like |
| 09:57.47 | Mr_Rabies | i dunno |
| 09:57.48 | Semlar | i just don't bother leaving town any more |
| 09:57.51 | Mr_Rabies | i guess it's because no one is playing anymore |
| 09:58.03 | nevcairiel | if you quest in heirlooms you can practically skip every other zone as well, or stop questing on a zone half way through |
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| 09:58.21 | Mr_Rabies | i really don't like the quest design for azeroth and cata after the first time through |
| 09:58.23 | Mr_Rabies | it's too linear |
| 09:58.34 | Mr_Rabies | that's another reason i don't do it |
| 09:59.06 | Mr_Rabies | it's too on-rails and it's almost always the same experience |
| 09:59.23 | nevcairiel | thats why there is alternate zones, and me wanting to do kalimdor instead next time :P |
| 09:59.30 | Mr_Rabies | MoP's questing is less linear and i like it more, but |
| 09:59.36 | Mr_Rabies | unfortunately i'm beyond tired of pandaria |
| 09:59.42 | Mr_Rabies | all those dailies just |
| 09:59.55 | Mr_Rabies | decimated my interest in anything that isn't dungeoning |
| 10:00.11 | nevcairiel | yeah because the classic dungeons are so much fun the 100s time around |
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| 10:00.29 | Mr_Rabies | they are for me, except when you're doing them 4-5 times a level |
| 10:00.38 | Mr_Rabies | brd's design is also totally broken |
| 10:00.46 | Mr_Rabies | the quests and the wings it puts you in aren't related at all |
| 10:00.51 | Mr_Rabies | well, the first wing is |
| 10:00.54 | Mr_Rabies | it has a short quest line |
| 10:00.55 | nevcairiel | brd is like 3 dungeons |
| 10:01.03 | Mr_Rabies | then the next wing is literally the end part, but there's no quests for that part |
| 10:01.03 | nevcairiel | and noone ever did it entirely in one go |
| 10:01.14 | Mr_Rabies | there's no wing for the whole middle of the dungeon |
| 10:01.20 | Mr_Rabies | but that's where the quests are past the prison win |
| 10:01.20 | Mr_Rabies | g |
| 10:01.33 | Mr_Rabies | it wouldn't be so bad if i could do the quests in the middle but no one wants to |
| 10:01.44 | karl_w_w | wait what |
| 10:01.44 | Mr_Rabies | i might get a guildie to just run me through it and get the quests done |
| 10:01.52 | karl_w_w | I have done all of brd in 1 go |
| 10:02.06 | karl_w_w | it was actually quite fun |
| 10:02.13 | nevcairiel | and took half a day :D |
| 10:02.19 | Mr_Rabies | i just spent like 2 hours in there and we got basically nothing done |
| 10:02.26 | Mr_Rabies | because the second quest requires opening -every- coffer |
| 10:02.35 | karl_w_w | well I did it in a guild group :P |
| 10:02.48 | nevcairiel | you certainly could do it back in classic, but it was just annoying since at some points you had to run back and enter a different wing from the first hall |
| 10:02.53 | Mr_Rabies | i'm just gonna have a 90 rush me through it and get the quests done and maybe that'll push me into whatever's next |
| 10:03.06 | Mr_Rabies | is there a list of the new dungeon level ranges as of cata? |
| 10:03.25 | Mr_Rabies | http://wowpedia.org/Instances_by_level |
| 10:03.38 | Semlar | aggroes the entire bar |
| 10:03.50 | Mr_Rabies | oh that's way outdated lol |
| 10:04.32 | Mr_Rabies | ubrs/lbrs still aren't open at 54 |
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| 10:04.47 | nevcairiel | http://wowpedia.org/Dungeon_Finder#Dungeon_Finder_instance_breakdown |
| 10:05.07 | nevcairiel | the page you had there doesnt have the LFG levels, just the normal access levels |
| 10:05.27 | Mr_Rabies | oh good |
| 10:05.34 | Mr_Rabies | at 55 i'll get lbrs/ubrs |
| 10:05.39 | Mr_Rabies | thank goodness |
| 10:05.48 | Mr_Rabies | i might be able to tolerate those |
| 10:06.02 | nevcairiel | just hurry up, in a few months ubrs is going away |
| 10:06.10 | Mr_Rabies | yeah i know, that's also dumb :( |
| 10:06.31 | Mr_Rabies | they should either have a scaled down version or leave the old one in |
| 10:06.34 | Mr_Rabies | for lowbies |
| 10:06.51 | karl_w_w | get the ace of beasts off the beast then you can get darkmoon card: blue dragon like a cool person! |
| 10:07.31 | Mr_Rabies | leaving the old version of an instance in is honestly the best solution, so that new people can see that and old people can get direct nostalgia |
| 10:07.33 | karl_w_w | the trinket that carried my priest through BC |
| 10:07.59 | Mr_Rabies | and then the new version can stand on its own |
| 10:08.32 | Mr_Rabies | removing old ZG and ZA and...kinda deadmines sucks :( |
| 10:08.53 | Mr_Rabies | deadmines is at least close enough being the same general layout |
| 10:09.12 | Mr_Rabies | and i guess ZA |
| 10:09.42 | nevcairiel | ZG is also still pretty similar |
| 10:09.50 | Mr_Rabies | new ZG is a lot better, but it's way different |
| 10:09.59 | Mr_Rabies | it'd be nice to be able to run the old one in some capacity |
| 10:10.21 | Mr_Rabies | the troll instances really do suffer from using the old geometry, though, even with ZG having parts sealed off |
| 10:10.39 | Mr_Rabies | it feels so much like they're having to fill dungeons with trash just to fill space |
| 10:10.51 | nevcairiel | the big difference in those is that they converted them to 5 mans, from the original 20 man ZG |
| 10:10.56 | Mr_Rabies | yup |
| 10:11.09 | Mr_Rabies | even deadmines feels like it's got a lot of filler |
| 10:11.46 | nevcairiel | classic deadmines wasnt that different, except that the boss fights just didnt have any mechanics in them |
| 10:11.57 | jleclanche | something is massively wrong with my S3, it's eating battery like crazy |
| 10:12.08 | Mr_Rabies | i think firelands is the best example of a remake to date |
| 10:12.16 | jleclanche | over 50% battery used mostly idle with the 3g radio on... |
| 10:12.20 | jleclanche | in 3 hours |
| 10:12.22 | Mr_Rabies | it's basically MC but designed better |
| 10:12.38 | Mr_Rabies | i'm in the minority there i'm sure |
| 10:12.52 | Mr_Rabies | but the old MC still exists |
| 10:13.01 | jleclanche | Mr_Rabies: MC had a lot of charm for me back in vanilla. I'm looking forward to the actual revamp event in wod. |
| 10:13.06 | Mr_Rabies | the new MC is nostalgic but designed with the new mechanics in mind |
| 10:13.20 | jleclanche | the idea of going in the heart of a volcano, a cave filled with lava and fight stuff there |
| 10:13.21 | jleclanche | i dunno |
| 10:13.22 | Mr_Rabies | (firelands being the new MC) |
| 10:13.25 | nevcairiel | jleclanche: doubt it revamps much, they'll just scale it up to max level |
| 10:13.38 | jleclanche | im hoping for some new textures at least |
| 10:13.49 | Mr_Rabies | i do hope that's all they do, so they don't feel pressured to remove MC40 |
| 10:14.01 | nevcairiel | its only a temporary event anyway |
| 10:14.08 | nevcairiel | once its over, it goes back to normal |
| 10:14.19 | jleclanche | aye i dont think they will do much, but lets face it, the old MC was fugly |
| 10:14.28 | Mr_Rabies | i hope the lucifron fight has a buff that removes cooldowns on dispel |
| 10:14.28 | jleclanche | it could use a quick touch-up |
| 10:14.29 | nevcairiel | its just part of classic |
| 10:14.32 | nevcairiel | classic was fugly |
| 10:14.37 | zenzelezz | probably linked way back in 2011, but man... http://webaim.org/blog/user-agent-string-history/ |
| 10:14.38 | Mr_Rabies | and drops 40 dispels per 5 seconds |
| 10:14.42 | jleclanche | winterspring was pretty nevcairiel :3 |
| 10:14.56 | Mr_Rabies | i want them to make it feel like vanilla raiding |
| 10:14.58 | Mr_Rabies | so people are like |
| 10:15.05 | jleclanche | and dustwallow was ugly but in a good way |
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| 10:15.17 | nevcairiel | it will be 40 man at least |
| 10:15.18 | Mr_Rabies | really realize how far we've come in raid design |
| 10:15.29 | Mr_Rabies | will realize* |
| 10:15.35 | nevcairiel | and i doubt they change the bosses at all |
| 10:15.40 | Mr_Rabies | i restructured that sentence midway through |
| 10:16.10 | jleclanche | fuck i hope shazzrah changes a bit |
| 10:16.11 | Mr_Rabies | the class design is so different they'll have to change a lot |
| 10:16.15 | jleclanche | that fight was a fucking disaster as a mage |
| 10:16.30 | Mr_Rabies | even to make it feel like vanilla raiding they'd have to |
| 10:16.37 | nevcairiel | the bosses are all extremely simple though, hardly any phases and only rudamentary mechanics |
| 10:16.51 | jleclanche | ragnaros is a pretty standard boss by today's standards |
| 10:16.53 | Mr_Rabies | either lucifron is a snoozefest or your healers are spamming dispels |
| 10:17.03 | Mr_Rabies | maybe they could use extraaction button |
| 10:17.12 | nevcairiel | guess they'll remove the elemental immunities and reduce the debuff spam (because we have dispel cooldowns now) |
| 10:17.13 | Mr_Rabies | to give anyone with a heal spec option a fight-specific dispel |
| 10:17.29 | Mr_Rabies | that'd be neat |
| 10:17.40 | Mr_Rabies | because i actually want the dispel spam, that's part of the nostalgia |
| 10:17.44 | nevcairiel | otherwise mages will whine and whine when they cant use fire damage :P |
| 10:17.53 | Mr_Rabies | oh man |
| 10:18.14 | Mr_Rabies | a questline where you collect "fire resist gear" with budd |
| 10:18.29 | Mr_Rabies | would own |
| 10:18.43 | Mr_Rabies | i really miss budd and crew, are they in WoD yet? |
| 10:18.58 | Mr_Rabies | they were my favorite part of cata questing |
| 10:20.15 | nevcairiel | nah they stopped after cata |
| 10:20.52 | Mr_Rabies | mannn :( |
| 10:21.05 | Mr_Rabies | seeing budd dealing with SAVAGE stuff would be hilarious |
| 10:21.25 | Mr_Rabies | i really miss those guys a lot, legit |
| 10:21.47 | Mr_Rabies | the quests were always fun and crazy with his crew |
| 10:23.09 | nevcairiel | even Nesingwary didnt show up on draenor yet |
| 10:24.14 | Mr_Rabies | i guess we'll have to see how it plays out |
| 10:24.40 | Mr_Rabies | is questing really as different as they seemed to advertise yet in wod or is it the same ol' same ol' |
| 10:25.11 | Mr_Rabies | the way they explained it early on is that there are a few minor hubs but most questing will be dynamic and sorta like timeless isle where events pop up and disappear |
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| 10:25.33 | Mr_Rabies | is that the case or is it basically like pandaria questing with a few dynamic things scattered here and there per zone? |
| 10:25.42 | Mr_Rabies | i really wish i could get into beta and see for myself :( |
| 10:25.55 | nevcairiel | that happens occasionally, but i've only done one zone, sooo |
| 10:26.06 | Mr_Rabies | i think it'd help a lot with this dead time |
| 10:26.22 | Mr_Rabies | i basically just login to raid 3-6 hours a week |
| 10:26.44 | Mr_Rabies | so i rolled a monk got it to 90 in 72 hours, then a few months later tried the same with a rogue |
| 10:26.52 | Mr_Rabies | i really miss the 50% xp bonus monks get daily :( |
| 10:27.09 | nevcairiel | the level 100 content is going to be more random and dynamic, i guess, since they are doing away with most dailys |
| 10:27.27 | Mr_Rabies | i gotta get a rogue to 60something so i can solo ubrs for junkboxes though |
| 10:27.36 | Mr_Rabies | since only rogues can do that :| |
| 10:28.14 | Mr_Rabies | lbrs/ubrs |
| 10:28.33 | Mr_Rabies | but 90-100 is still |
| 10:28.40 | Mr_Rabies | go to hub, do quests, get breadcrumb to next hub? |
| 10:29.35 | nevcairiel | obviously they still send you around in the zone for the story line, otherwise people would complain that they have no idea where to go |
| 10:29.44 | Mr_Rabies | blehhhhh :( |
| 10:29.58 | Mr_Rabies | i don't want to unsub because i'm certain my guild will fall apart if i do |
| 10:30.00 | Mr_Rabies | but i'm just |
| 10:30.06 | Mr_Rabies | so tired of questing |
| 10:30.20 | Mr_Rabies | 5.0-5.2 just, absolutely killed my interest in it |
| 10:30.54 | nevcairiel | if you're tired of questing it doesnt really matter where you get the quest, doesnt it. if some npc in some hub gives them to you, or you run accross a quest even somewhere, end result is, you quest :P |
| 10:31.10 | Mr_Rabies | not true at all |
| 10:31.28 | Mr_Rabies | exploring and finding stuff to do dynamically is totally different than |
| 10:31.45 | nevcairiel | the game has to give you some incentive to explore the world in teh first place, and thats the main story line |
| 10:31.48 | Mr_Rabies | go to town, kill orc, get orc axe, go to next town, kill more orc |
| 10:31.52 | nevcairiel | whatever you discover along the way is another matter |
| 10:32.30 | nevcairiel | you're not an explorer in draenor afterall, you're there to fight an enemy |
| 10:32.35 | Mr_Rabies | this is coming from someone that got loremaster of outland before achievements were in |
| 10:32.43 | Mr_Rabies | i used to LOVE questing |
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| 10:33.20 | Mr_Rabies | but dailies just totally diluted the questing experience |
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| 10:34.00 | Mr_Rabies | i literally grind the worms on timeless isle so i don't have to quest in pandaria anymore |
| 10:34.21 | nevcairiel | its your own fault for doing dailies for a year |
| 10:34.30 | nevcairiel | i just gave up much earlier, and i'm still happy! |
| 10:34.31 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 10:34.32 | Mr_Rabies | they were required for as long as i did them |
| 10:34.43 | Mr_Rabies | as soon as they weren't mandatory, i stopped |
| 10:35.08 | Mr_Rabies | though i had to grind some out on my priest to get the bag pattern |
| 10:35.37 | Mr_Rabies | i never got the crane temple quests for celestials somehow |
| 10:35.40 | Mr_Rabies | on my priest |
| 10:35.49 | nevcairiel | actually i kinda split them, i did golden lotus and most of klaxxi after launch, then i got bored of dailies, and then did shado pan and august celestials in 5.4 or so |
| 10:35.53 | Mr_Rabies | so i never got to do the fun part of celestial rep |
| 10:35.56 | Mr_Rabies | just the terrible part |
| 10:36.03 | Mr_Rabies | on that char, on my main i got to do the fun part |
| 10:36.15 | karl_w_w | i did all the dailies until i was exalted and had all the achievements pretty much, i wasnt bothered by it :P |
| 10:36.26 | karl_w_w | i stopped playing cos everything else was too boring |
| 10:36.30 | Mr_Rabies | we booted several people for not doing enough dailies, nevcairiel |
| 10:36.41 | nevcairiel | why would dailies be mandatory |
| 10:36.46 | Mr_Rabies | progression |
| 10:36.50 | nevcairiel | in what |
| 10:37.10 | Mr_Rabies | if you were visibly holding us back in any way you were gone |
| 10:37.12 | nevcairiel | for the one epic item they sell, or what |
| 10:37.23 | Mr_Rabies | MSV, HoF, ToES |
| 10:37.31 | nevcairiel | what do dailies have to do with that |
| 10:37.46 | Mr_Rabies | because 489 gear |
| 10:38.15 | nevcairiel | so yes, for the one epic they sell :p |
| 10:38.15 | Mr_Rabies | it made a huge difference from 463 gear in the end |
| 10:38.39 | nevcairiel | it took weeks to get all up to snuff, by that time i would think you already had a drop or so |
| 10:38.40 | Mr_Rabies | we didn't care if you didn't do every daily every day but if it showed in your numbers we'd replace asap |
| 10:39.10 | Semlar | thank god i'm in a casual guild |
| 10:39.41 | Mr_Rabies | i did every daily every day because not doing so was intentionally hurting my dps and progression |
| 10:39.58 | nevcairiel | in any case, that reminds me that i wanted to continue grinding steamwheedle reps, finally want to get that shit to exalted |
| 10:39.59 | karl_w_w | ooh play store app has a new layout |
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| 10:40.32 | karl_w_w | no insane title nevcairiel? me disappoint |
| 10:40.39 | nevcairiel | i'm not insane |
| 10:40.49 | Mr_Rabies | i'm working towards the junkboxes |
| 10:40.56 | Mr_Rabies | (hence the rogue) |
| 10:41.06 | karl_w_w | i did it before the nerf |
| 10:41.12 | nevcairiel | i would never bother with the pirates or the junkbox shit |
| 10:41.13 | karl_w_w | whatever the nerf was that i forgot |
| 10:41.13 | Mr_Rabies | if i could get them any other way i totally would |
| 10:41.25 | Mr_Rabies | removing shendralar as a rep entirely, karl_w_w |
| 10:41.36 | karl_w_w | nah not that one |
| 10:41.36 | nevcairiel | because its unobtainable now :p |
| 10:41.40 | karl_w_w | i did it after that one :P |
| 10:41.41 | Mr_Rabies | and something else |
| 10:41.46 | karl_w_w | there was another nerf later |
| 10:41.46 | Mr_Rabies | what's unobtainable, nevcairiel? |
| 10:41.52 | karl_w_w | the rep is gone |
| 10:42.12 | Mr_Rabies | oh yeah, that's what i meant by "removing as a rep" :p |
| 10:42.34 | Mr_Rabies | it's not possible to get any rep with shendralar anymore, though i still have it on my reps |
| 10:42.50 | karl_w_w | i was lucky with the lockboxes, my insane character is an enchanter so I could D/E all the daggers |
| 10:43.01 | nevcairiel | yeah every classic raider has at least a few points from the book thingys |
| 10:43.44 | Mr_Rabies | i hate that those still 1) drop 2) are still green 3) are listed as "recipes" |
| 10:43.46 | karl_w_w | and iirc I made 2 macros for gathering the lockboxes, 1 to pick pockets and 1 to open the boxes and loot them |
| 10:43.57 | Mr_Rabies | so anytime i go to the AH i have to deal with a bunch of librams listed for 5k |
| 10:44.12 | Mr_Rabies | server's dead, but we've got librams 24/7! |
| 10:44.37 | Mr_Rabies | we got connected to another server and we're still dead :( |
| 10:44.48 | nevcairiel | arent those librams even unique |
| 10:44.52 | karl_w_w | END |
| 10:44.54 | nevcairiel | or used to be anyway |
| 10:45.01 | karl_w_w | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:45.55 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.wowhead.com/achievement=2336 |
| 10:46.00 | Mr_Rabies | they don't even have the reps listed anymore, what |
| 10:46.02 | Mr_Rabies | O_o |
| 10:46.09 | Mr_Rabies | did they break it? |
| 10:46.21 | nevcairiel | wowhead is dying! |
| 10:46.35 | Mr_Rabies | it's not listed in overachiever either |
| 10:46.47 | Mr_Rabies | i think the achievement is somewhat broken atm |
| 10:48.37 | karl_w_w | i remember, that macro looted gold and junkboxes and closed the loot window if there was nothing uncommon or better |
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| 10:48.51 | karl_w_w | so much faster pickpocketing |
| 10:49.59 | Mr_Rabies | i wish autoloot wasn't so weird at times |
| 10:50.16 | Mr_Rabies | if you do like, anything while it's processing loot, it gets crazy |
| 10:50.38 | Mr_Rabies | seems to be when they added aoe looting |
| 10:50.49 | karl_w_w | like making your character never stand up ever again |
| 10:50.58 | karl_w_w | (until you relog) |
| 10:51.11 | karl_w_w | (most of the time) |
| 10:51.19 | Mr_Rabies | does that still happen? that bug happened in vanilla |
| 10:51.31 | Mr_Rabies | it happened like every time i went ooze farming in hinterlands |
| 10:51.41 | karl_w_w | yeah I had it happen in mists |
| 10:51.48 | karl_w_w | it used to happen loads in BC |
| 10:52.02 | nevcairiel | it happens to me that i'm stuck like that for a moment, but it usually clears itself up |
| 10:52.07 | nevcairiel | mostly lag i guess |
| 10:52.10 | Mr_Rabies | wouldn't even let you loot for like 10 minutes unless you relogged in vanilla, though |
| 10:52.19 | Industrial | eww, ooze farming. |
| 10:52.21 | karl_w_w | once it didnt even let me move :P |
| 10:53.01 | karl_w_w | and I couldnt log out so i had to force quit and wait for the disconnect |
| 10:53.05 | jleclanche | "John Schindler, the former National Security Agency analyst and an outspoken critic of Edward Snowden, resigned Monday from his position as a professor at the US Naval War College months after a picture of his alleged penis surfaced online." |
| 10:53.09 | Mr_Rabies | those oozes in hinterlands were among the buggiest mobs in the game |
| 10:53.13 | jleclanche | there is so much hilarity packed in one single sentence |
| 10:53.22 | Mr_Rabies | "his alleged penis" is a great band name |
| 10:53.26 | jleclanche | yeah i know right |
| 10:54.04 | jleclanche | He was put on leave in June as the college ordered an investigation to determine whether the picture of his genitalia was falsified. |
| 10:55.06 | karl_w_w | I remember when things were done on a certain day |
| 10:55.16 | karl_w_w | like resigning on monday |
| 10:55.53 | jleclanche | "To be fair, I've seen the photo, and it's questionable whether it is a penis." |
| 10:55.58 | jleclanche | ouch |
| 10:56.04 | karl_w_w | instead now we have a guy called Monday being forcible resigned by john schindler? |
| 10:56.07 | karl_w_w | I don't know |
| 10:56.37 | Mr_Rabies | okay going to bed |
| 10:56.52 | Mr_Rabies | jleclanche: tell your people to hurry up and get me my wakfu thanks in advance :( |
| 10:57.07 | jleclanche | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/08/snowden-critic-resigns-naval-war-college-over-online-penis-photo-flap/?comments=1&post=27379457 |
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| 10:57.12 | jleclanche | i cant possibly paste this in the chan |
| 10:58.52 | Mr_Rabies | so many puns |
| 10:58.58 | Mr_Rabies | dies |
| 10:59.27 | jleclanche | "Alleged penis aside, " is a great way to start a sentence |
| 10:59.48 | jleclanche | you know nothing can go wrong when it begins like that |
| 11:04.20 | karl_w_w | haha the cartoon |
| 11:04.30 | karl_w_w | bottom of page 2 |
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| 12:50.49 | jleclanche | man GMs are useless now |
| 12:51.03 | Kalroth | now? |
| 12:51.19 | jleclanche | yeah used to be at least they could do stuff you can now automate |
| 12:51.39 | jleclanche | but wow customer support is really down the shitter |
| 12:53.16 | Simca | jleclanche: mmm, i haven't had that experience at all |
| 12:53.27 | jleclanche | you're in the US |
| 12:53.32 | nevcairiel | i dont remember when i last needed customer support |
| 12:53.33 | jleclanche | EU CS is the worst |
| 12:53.44 | nevcairiel | probably in BC when the elevator in mechanar broke |
| 12:53.45 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 12:54.19 | jleclanche | ive been prepping for wod and cleaning up my account |
| 12:54.28 | jleclanche | so ive had to file 4 tickets, all 4 declined |
| 12:54.35 | p3lim | This must be a joke.. beta.wowdb.com/items/118573-glyph-of-the-flapping-owl |
| 12:54.38 | nevcairiel | why do you need to file tickets for wod |
| 12:54.48 | Simca | old RAF accounts, jleclanche? |
| 12:54.50 | jleclanche | the most hilarious one was a flavour quest reward i wanted to get back, from a blades edge quest |
| 12:54.56 | Simca | ah |
| 12:55.16 | jleclanche | turns out, GMs are not even *allowed* to refund old quest rewards now, even if you're flagged as completed |
| 12:55.32 | jleclanche | they're gonna have a lot of fun with that one given that it's flagged as a toy in wod |
| 12:55.53 | Lopeppeppy_ | Heya, zenzelezz. I'm all back from vacation, exhausted and blistered feet and wet tent and sooooooo happy! |
| 12:56.08 | nevcairiel | jleclanche: they'll just have an answer bot auto-decline them then |
| 12:56.20 | Simca | 'wet tent' wut |
| 12:56.33 | jleclanche | the answers i got are, respectively: |
| 12:56.38 | nevcairiel | jleclanche: if you're lucky they'll auto-flag you for the toy when you have the quest completed |
| 12:56.39 | jleclanche | "I can't do that" |
| 12:56.46 | jleclanche | "I can do that, but I am not allowed to do it" |
| 12:57.05 | Kalroth | "Stop mailing us!!!" |
| 12:57.07 | jleclanche | "My logs don't go that far back" |
| 12:57.27 | jleclanche | and probably "Have you tried deleting your WTF and WDB folders" |
| 12:57.32 | nevcairiel | they still owe us clarification on the quest reward toy thing |
| 12:57.53 | nevcairiel | sounded like they would try to do it, but they never came back and said |
| 12:58.16 | jleclanche | i reopened the ticket asking for clarification, that was almost a week ago i still dont have an answer |
| 12:58.37 | jleclanche | direct quote from the office: "It's the asshole with OCD again" |
| 12:59.27 | nevcairiel | if you keep pestering them about the same issue constantly, they will just keep closing it without response :p |
| 12:59.43 | jleclanche | what is this, an open source project? |
| 13:00.16 | Fisker | rehi Lopeppeppy_ |
| 13:00.16 | nevcairiel | what do you expect to happen? they just want to get rid of you and give you what you want to facilitate that? |
| 13:00.27 | nevcairiel | you got 3 no's, give it up already |
| 13:00.28 | Lopeppeppy_ | hi hi re-hellos! |
| 13:00.30 | jleclanche | what? |
| 13:00.33 | jleclanche | i reopened it once |
| 13:00.36 | jleclanche | its 4 different tickets |
| 13:00.39 | Fisker | Also they stopped doing item refunds after they introduced transmog |
| 13:00.47 | Fisker | Which is super shitty |
| 13:00.48 | jleclanche | aye Fisker |
| 13:00.54 | jleclanche | makes no sense tho this isnt even a transmog item |
| 13:01.17 | nevcairiel | like i said, for the quest reward that is a toy, you can just hope they flag it automatically in the toy box |
| 13:01.30 | Fisker | "Let's introduce this feature that depends on people saving all their stuff forever, and because we know they haven't and we know we will be swamped with various requests lets stop doing item restorations for them" |
| 13:01.32 | nevcairiel | but GMs are not going to unlock them, because that would be a shitload of requests |
| 13:01.50 | Fisker | Protip: Don't make features that depend on it then |
| 13:01.55 | jleclanche | indeed |
| 13:02.02 | nevcairiel | so, they should stop making stuff? :p |
| 13:02.11 | jleclanche | no, as you said they should flag the accounts |
| 13:02.23 | nevcairiel | for the toy box, sure |
| 13:02.29 | nevcairiel | for transmog gear, something else entirely |
| 13:02.35 | jleclanche | yeah toy box |
| 13:02.41 | jleclanche | but then damn right ill file tickets about it, blizzard is fucking thick |
| 13:02.50 | jleclanche | theres bugs i reported in WLK alpha that are still around for fucks sake |
| 13:02.55 | nevcairiel | so you just like getting pissed off then? :D |
| 13:02.57 | Fisker | They could make a system that allows retrieval of any quest item for any quest |
| 13:03.02 | Fisker | They obviously have the data |
| 13:03.14 | Alram | and the technology |
| 13:03.24 | jleclanche | or skip the whole thing Fisker |
| 13:03.30 | Fisker | So before making features like that, make sure it's solid |
| 13:03.47 | jleclanche | obtaining an item "unlocks" its skin |
| 13:03.57 | jleclanche | problem is theres so many skins |
| 13:04.05 | Fisker | Yeah |
| 13:04.15 | jleclanche | this is more of a UX problem though |
| 13:04.22 | Fisker | But they don't have the data about what items you've gotten in the past :P |
| 13:04.27 | nevcairiel | i'm sure they could do it for quest rewards if they really wanted to, but people then also want their tier 1 raid gear back that they used to own 8 years ago |
| 13:04.49 | jleclanche | its OK to ask people to re-acquire things |
| 13:04.52 | Fisker | They can just farm that in molten core |
| 13:05.02 | jleclanche | but if you can't reacquire something that becomes a problem |
| 13:05.12 | Fisker | Besides they wouldn't be able to verify the loot in any circumstance anyway |
| 13:05.13 | jleclanche | "how the fuck was I supposed to know I had to save this crap up six years?" |
| 13:05.38 | nevcairiel | although with quests it might be problematic if the quest has a choice in gear |
| 13:05.56 | Fisker | Not really if you just unlock the skins |
| 13:06.06 | nevcairiel | at least toys are usually always a fixed reward |
| 13:06.10 | Fisker | Complete a quest, whatever the item, unlock all skins associated with all items |
| 13:06.30 | jleclanche | heres the thing |
| 13:06.44 | jleclanche | actually no, let me show you what the fucking thing is |
| 13:06.51 | jleclanche | https://mediacru.sh/VvYh_EVJuxGa.png |
| 13:06.53 | jleclanche | this is the thing |
| 13:07.11 | nevcairiel | thats just your OCD :P |
| 13:07.18 | nevcairiel | and they are doing things to reduce that |
| 13:07.31 | nevcairiel | toys go away, heirlooms go away, void storage has extra room |
| 13:07.35 | jleclanche | yes, sure |
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| 13:07.43 | jleclanche | heirlooms are on an alt right now |
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| 13:07.54 | nevcairiel | remember when mounts and pets still used to sit in there as well |
| 13:07.55 | Maldivia | mats go away :) |
| 13:08.04 | jleclanche | YES I REMEMBER FUCK I DO |
| 13:08.25 | jleclanche | but despite ALL this, despite my ocd and despite fucking everything there, i still have to delete some stuff sometimes |
| 13:08.43 | nevcairiel | with the toy box it should hopefully make half your bank empty or so |
| 13:08.46 | jleclanche | and this stuff ends up being irreplaceable because it gets deleted in one of the 5% of patches I dont log into |
| 13:08.48 | Maldivia | stop playing on that char then, and you won't get more stuff :) |
| 13:09.04 | jleclanche | i only play one char Maldivia, the others are just achievement slaves |
| 13:10.05 | jleclanche | my point is, I'm one of the rare players who does save nearly everything "just in case this stupidness gets fixed in 3 expansions", yet i still end up having that same problem |
| 13:10.49 | jleclanche | i have tbc and wlk EU collectors and ive been to the WWI 2008, yet I dont have any of the pets because of their moronic system at the time |
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| 13:11.07 | Fisker | ooh |
| 13:11.11 | Fisker | I still remember the tyrael I got |
| 13:11.13 | jleclanche | and that is stuff i *cant* ask GMs for at all, and I'd have to shell out thousands of gbp to even get them |
| 13:11.14 | Fisker | for like 50⬠|
| 13:11.21 | nevcairiel | dont you get the pets mailed to you when you create a new char |
| 13:11.34 | nevcairiel | or used to anyway |
| 13:11.34 | jleclanche | dude Fisker i had like 10 tyrael codes |
| 13:11.39 | jleclanche | people were throwing them on the floor |
| 13:11.43 | nevcairiel | i always had a bunch of pets in new chars mailboxes :p |
| 13:11.43 | Fisker | lol |
| 13:12.03 | Fisker | It is one of the most valuable items now isn't it? |
| 13:12.06 | jleclanche | aye. |
| 13:12.15 | jleclanche | yep nevcairiel at the end of cataclysm i had 6 pages of pets and mounts mailed to every new character |
| 13:12.19 | jleclanche | in fact |
| 13:12.29 | jleclanche | every time i created a new character i couldnt delete it BECAUSE of this |
| 13:12.40 | nevcairiel | yeah no mailboxes in the spawning area |
| 13:12.42 | nevcairiel | its annoying |
| 13:12.42 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 13:12.52 | nevcairiel | not in all areas anyway |
| 13:13.05 | jleclanche | they have them now |
| 13:13.09 | jleclanche | they sure didnt when i needed them.. |
| 13:13.32 | jleclanche | but yes, my bags in wod are beautiful |
| 13:13.54 | nevcairiel | its annoying even without your problem, I always send bags and some gold over, the first levels without them used to be annoying :p |
| 13:14.17 | nevcairiel | although they changed a lot of 1-10 quests to at least give you some basic bags |
| 13:16.22 | nevcairiel | anyhow, I didnt keep any of the toy-flood in MoP, I hope they flag us retroactively, but if they don't, I'll just deal with it and eventually level through there again anyway |
| 13:16.49 | jleclanche | have fun farming shit like the eternal kiln and the blizzard stone again |
| 13:17.07 | nevcairiel | if i ever farmed something, i would keep it |
| 13:17.11 | nevcairiel | i just throw away quest things |
| 13:17.50 | jleclanche | right |
| 13:17.53 | jleclanche | yeah i threw away most |
| 13:18.01 | jleclanche | but thats OK because i have them on alts |
| 13:18.21 | Ressy | geez that was fast... They're putting a Robin Williams NPC into WoW. |
| 13:25.14 | jleclanche | AHA |
| 13:25.16 | zenzelezz | oh come on, why |
| 13:25.18 | jleclanche | Ethereal Soul Trader |
| 13:25.35 | jleclanche | an example of a merchant you cannot sell items to. I was looking for one (seven months ago) |
| 13:26.11 | jleclanche | in your face, person i was arguing with. i told you they existed. |
| 13:26.25 | Kalroth | well you won that argument! |
| 13:27.52 | jleclanche | sure did! |
| 13:34.42 | nevcairiel | There are a few other repair only merchants |
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| 14:23.35 | karl_w_w | sadness |
| 14:23.46 | karl_w_w | buy something then a month later it is on sale |
| 14:23.55 | karl_w_w | for a third of the original price |
| 14:24.06 | karl_w_w | sure that's only a difference of $10, but still :P |
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| 15:29.18 | Lopeppeppy_ | ... why do I want to do murder the first day back from vacation? Aaargh! |
| 15:36.29 | p3lim | because it tastes better than the alternative |
| 15:37.06 | bluspacecow | hmmmm |
| 15:37.10 | bluspacecow | i stinky |
| 15:37.17 | bluspacecow | wat do ? |
| 15:38.30 | Torhal | Roll in the mud, bluspacecow. |
| 15:39.01 | bluspacecow | *glare* |
| 15:51.31 | TC-Work | Lopeppeppy_: Because the simple act of coming back from a vacation is murder inducing. |
| 15:58.38 | Lopeppeppy_ | Oh. I should have remembered that, TC. Thanks. |
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| 17:01.02 | Fisker | why does amaz keep doing double legendaries packs jleclanche ? |
| 17:01.05 | Fisker | hey Lopeppeppy_ |
| 17:01.12 | jleclanche | i know right haha |
| 17:01.23 | Fisker | Because incompetence ran its course while you were gone ? |
| 17:01.31 | Lopeppeppy_ | I dunno Fisker. It seems very strong still. |
| 17:01.43 | Fisker | Yeah |
| 17:01.51 | Fisker | You have to fix all the things now I guess |
| 17:05.52 | zenzelezz | http://imgur.com/Uk8jvvB - because Internet, that's why |
| 17:06.04 | zenzelezz | oh, wrong window |
| 17:06.22 | Lopeppeppy_ | Burn all the things, you say? Okay. |
| 17:06.55 | Fisker | Only if you end your act with "Fixed!" |
| 17:11.33 | Lopeppeppy_ | There. Fixed it for you. |
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| 17:25.51 | A-KO | wee at reporting hearthstone bugs :P |
| 17:27.49 | Gnarfoz | gross |
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| 17:34.29 | Fisker | Oh what have you done Lopeppeppy_ ?! |
| 17:34.58 | Lopeppeppy_ | Nothing yet. Yet |
| 17:35.16 | Fisker | But then you didn't fix it! |
| 17:39.11 | Lopeppeppy_ | I know. Isn't that the beauty of it? |
| 17:42.21 | Fisker | :o |
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| 19:22.30 | Shirik | Aug 12 12:20:41 GEMINI.local SpringBoard[11667] <Error>: TASK-ASSERT: cfurlcache - ProcessCacheTask - FAILED to get task-assertion, going commando with 1 items to process. |
| 19:22.41 | Shirik | You have to be pretty awesome to use the term "going commando" in your logs |
| 19:23.10 | TC-Work | Or disturbing. |
| 19:23.18 | zenzelezz | "going commando with 1 items" sounds like a euphemism for some kind of kinky masturbation |
| 19:23.33 | TC-Work | I want my taks to use underwear. |
| 19:30.59 | TC-Work | s/taks/tasks/ |
| 19:49.14 | Shirik | ~wiki Maggie_seye |
| 19:49.46 | Shirik | people are strange |
| 19:49.47 | Neffi | Shirik: wtf |
| 19:50.24 | foxlit | Can I just hook UIErrorsFrame AddMessage and drop things I donât like, or will something get horribly upset at such insolence? |
| 19:50.38 | zenzelezz | "20$"? Who writes it that way? |
| 19:50.55 | Shirik | I think it would only get horribly upset if you cause an error in there, foxlit |
| 19:51.03 | Gnarfoz | many many people around the world who are used to putting their currency symbols after the amount |
| 19:51.14 | Neffi | foxlit: afaik no part of the UI calls :AddMessage on that, so you should be fine. I think it's purely listening to the event, so there's nothing within the execution path for taint to propagate to |
| 19:51.20 | Shirik | it really should be written 20$ |
| 19:51.24 | Shirik | you don't say "dollars 20" |
| 19:51.28 | Gnarfoz | although I don't want to imagine why someone not from the US would write such an article |
| 19:51.33 | Neffi | but you might want to do a quick search on framexml to check for any instances of UIErrorsFrame:AddMessage |
| 19:51.56 | Neffi | I used to hook it and do just that, foxlit, and had no problems |
| 19:52.05 | Fisker | sneaktackles Lopeppeppy_ |
| 19:52.25 | Lopeppeppy_ | Oh noes. I was just about to do the arson! |
| 19:53.08 | foxlit | grep UIErrorsFrame:Add * | wc -l >>> 35 |
| 19:53.43 | Neffi | wait, what is `>>>`? |
| 19:54.01 | Neffi | don't believe I've ever seen a triple > in sh |
| 19:54.03 | foxlit | delimeter between command and output; not actual syntax. |
| 19:54.06 | Simca | 'it found 35' |
| 19:54.10 | Shirik | it means the stuff on the left is a cost, and the stuff on the right is the link that gets added to the chain |
| 19:54.12 | Neffi | ah, ok |
| 19:55.52 | Neffi | Well you can investigate those instances and see if taint has a chance to propagate through them, or you can just say /fuckityolo and do it anyway like most addon authors do |
| 19:56.43 | Neffi | Alternately you can hold a buffer of existing messages, and on an unwanted message, clear the frame and restore the buffer |
| 19:57.00 | Neffi | and solve fading, because that will mess it up |
| 19:57.03 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: wtf happened to trump |
| 19:57.05 | jleclanche | hes 199 now |
| 19:57.14 | jleclanche | seriously what happens when im not watching |
| 19:57.37 | TC-Work | The world stops revolving. |
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| 20:01.10 | foxlit | http://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/18291/WatchFrame.lua#1597 << this looks to be the worst of them. |
| 20:09.04 | Neffi | ouch. propagates through the whole watch frame AND world map |
| 20:09.45 | Neffi | and the Encounter Journal |
| 20:10.09 | foxlit | is there any reason EJ should be secure in the first place? |
| 20:10.28 | Neffi | it might touch something that is |
| 20:10.50 | Neffi | Like the infamous situation of the talent UI tainting no matter what the hell you do |
| 20:12.39 | Semlar | you could replace the uierrorsframe with like 5 lines of code |
| 20:13.56 | Neffi | I bet I could replace Semlar with like 4 lines of code |
| 20:14.00 | Neffi | ;) |
| 20:14.10 | Semlar | you could never replace me |
| 20:14.17 | Neffi | while true do print "no neffi" end |
| 20:14.35 | Semlar | no neffi |
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| 20:48.55 | foxlit | So Iâm thinking of adding something like #quiet, which would suppress error output from the next (?) macro command. Is that useful? |
| 20:49.47 | zenzelezz | could be in some situations I guess |
| 20:49.52 | zenzelezz | sounds like the @-operator in PHP |
| 20:50.56 | foxlit | people sometimes post macros which toggle Sound_EnableSFX and clear the UIErrorsFrame to get rid of stuff from casting abilities on cooldown/whatever. |
| 20:51.10 | Shirik | http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2014/08/12/rob_ford_the_jobless_dont_need_transit.html |
| 20:51.49 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: certainly useful, exactly that example came to mind |
| 20:55.14 | foxlit | Whatâs a reasonable way to allow you to scope that properly? |
| 20:56.07 | foxlit | (does it just apply to the next command? Until the end of the macro? Until #unquiet?) |
| 21:04.29 | Neffi | you could have optional brackets |
| 21:04.51 | Neffi | #quiet for the next line, #quite < \n ... \n # > or something |
| 21:05.29 | Neffi | or make it context-sensitive. if it finds a matching #unquiet, it supresses everything between. if it doesn't, it just supresses the next line |
| 21:07.34 | Neffi | or maybe the more context-sensitive is, an unmatched #quiet goes until the end of the macro OR the next #unquiet |
| 21:07.40 | Neffi | the more sane* |
| 21:10.32 | Neffi | Semlar, my server is broken. y u do dis |
| 21:10.42 | Semlar | it tried to get fresh with me |
| 21:10.54 | Neffi | i'll punish it |
| 21:11.12 | foxlit | maybe it just needs to be two opening metacommands; one that implies an #unquiet after the next command, and one that doesnât. |
| 21:11.53 | Neffi | also I don't like the :Clear() method |
| 21:12.05 | Neffi | it's not a proper supressant. it's clearing things that don't belong to that command too |
| 21:14.41 | kd3 | oops. http://techreport.com/news/26911/errata-prompts-intel-to-disable-tsx-in-haswell-early-broadwell-cpus |
| 21:14.44 | foxlit | Clear is probably the best option with the /macro limitations; this very well could be implemented differently since I have more characters to play with. |
| 21:15.15 | Neffi | foxlit: is this for OPie or something else? |
| 21:15.24 | Semlar | can't you just unregister and reregister the event from the error frame |
| 21:15.30 | foxlit | Semlar: 255 chars. |
| 21:15.52 | Neffi | oh, the meta-commands get compiled into macro commands? |
| 21:16.22 | Semlar | i thought custom macros could be substantially longer than that, anyway |
| 21:16.48 | Neffi | anyway, while you're at it, why not implement virtualized macrotext so the user has unlimited length? internally chop the macro up and place it into buttons that /click each other at the end, and then replace the contents of the actual macro with a /click on the first |
| 21:16.58 | Neffi | custom macros can be 1023 characters |
| 21:17.21 | foxlit | No; yes; no. The point was that you see :Clear() in macros people post on the forums *because* theyâre /macro macros subject to the 255 character limit. |
| 21:17.43 | Neffi | ah, I see |
| 21:17.55 | foxlit | Because what Iâm doing is not subject to that character limit, I donât have to use Clear. |
| 21:18.03 | Neffi | The alternative used to be to unregister the event then re-register it but I think that approach was always invalid because latency |
| 21:18.37 | Neffi | Or rather, I guess it only works when the validity of the cast is checked client-side and errors generated immediately |
| 21:19.03 | foxlit | Canât fix that. |
| 21:19.18 | Jamash | I can't trust my subconscious worth a damn |
| 21:19.36 | foxlit | If the error comes from the server after the macro is done executing, you have no way of telling whether itâs from a quieted command or not. |
| 21:20.40 | Neffi | then implement what I just said: unregister the error event on #quiet, re-register on #unquiet (or end of macro) |
| 21:21.38 | foxlit | that would generally work. |
| 21:22.33 | Neffi | I got reports that it does work. I made an addon to introduce a slash command for this so people could do it in 255-macros. Never actually used it myself though, so I was never sure |
| 21:22.57 | Jamash | I'm playing saints row 3 for the first time. I picked customization options I thought were cool, and in retrospect I realize I created a Reservoir Dogs version of Yoko Littner |
| 21:23.06 | foxlit | (I donât think the details of how to shut uierrorsframe up are interesting compared to getting metacommand semantics right) |
| 21:23.39 | Semlar | if you're going to put Clear in a macro you might as well not have an error frame |
| 21:23.49 | Neffi | yes on both accounts |
| 21:24.11 | Neffi | wew my server's finally alive |
| 21:31.12 | foxlit | Neffi: why not implement virtualized macrotext so the user has unlimited length? << did that. |
| 21:31.34 | Neffi | foxlit: i love u |
| 21:31.58 | Neffi | now I don't have do it. because I was just drafting up my own macro system dammit |
| 21:32.12 | Neffi | i might ping you with some ideas if you want them |
| 21:32.22 | foxlit | feel free. |
| 21:33.07 | Neffi | well actually one idea I have is non-trivial. but if you clue me into what type of addon this is, I might like to contribute the feature if it's relevant |
| 21:33.17 | Semlar | hax, neffi |
| 21:33.24 | Semlar | it's all hax |
| 21:33.38 | foxlit | Iâm reasonably certain thereâs a turtle somewhere below all these hax. |
| 21:33.50 | Semlar | it's hax all the way down |
| 21:33.55 | Neffi | my addon would have done, among other general improvements over the macro system, implement block-syntax for defining macro-sequences, like cogwheel's old and broken addon |
| 21:34.50 | foxlit | I have /runmacro Macro Name. |
| 21:35.09 | Neffi | foxlit: I meant /castsequence for macros |
| 21:35.20 | Neffi | or rather, blocks of macro commands |
| 21:36.25 | foxlit | I know what you meant; I just prefer separate named macros to blocks within a single macro -- probably less confusing to read. |
| 21:36.41 | Neffi | ah, ok |
| 21:36.47 | foxlit | The trouble with /macrosequence is that it, among other things, is a /castsequence that always advances. |
| 21:37.17 | Neffi | that's fine. I've run into a couple scenarios where I could do cool things if I had that |
| 21:37.41 | Neffi | no, I dont remember exactly what those were. but I feel it's a useful feature |
| 21:38.45 | foxlit | s/castsequence/castrandom/ |
| 21:40.21 | foxlit | (but maybe weâve moved away from DPS classes being able to roll face across keyboard and dps by mashing /castrandom Every, Single, Abilitiy, Here.) |
| 21:42.00 | foxlit | But itâs definitely implementable; probably on the order of tens of lines of code. |
| 21:44.30 | Neffi | how is it a /castrandom? |
| 21:44.50 | Neffi | ah, I see |
| 21:45.24 | Neffi | that's a funny statement from the author of Purrmetheus |
| 21:47.47 | foxlit | I think evaluating how likely something is to get nuked from orbit is a reasonable consideration when implementing addons. |
| 21:47.57 | foxlit | Purrmetheus was literally designed to be nuked from orbit. :) |
| 21:48.26 | foxlit | While you might be slightly upset if your macro system revision was subjected to that treatment. |
| 21:48.49 | Neffi | That's a fair statement |
| 21:57.57 | foxlit | In unrelated news, I quite like Re:â£Hamatoraâs OP. |
| 22:04.22 | Neffi | huh? |
| 22:09.35 | kd3 | I kinda dragged my way through the first season, but didn't care enough to watch the second |
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| 22:11.35 | A-KO | ............ |
| 22:12.30 | Shirik | woah |
| 22:12.39 | Shirik | TIL shift is a temporary number-lock disable |
| 22:12.47 | Shirik | I didn't know those keys act that way |
| 22:12.49 | Shirik | it makes sense I guess |
| 22:13.00 | Neffi | oh wow |
| 22:13.17 | foxlit | Narrative style changed between the two, I think; you can now watch it for the mystery of âwhatâs going on here?â instead of âwhen will Nice find Moral already?â |
| 22:14.18 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: wait till you learn what you can do with the right keymap and the altgr key on the numpad |
| 22:14.40 | Shirik | my country is too cool to have an AltGr key |
| 22:15.10 | Arrowmaster | i dont normally have one either but i choose to enable it |
| 22:26.53 | TC-Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:28.25 | Sharparam | because alt is Ctrl+Alt? |
| 22:28.29 | Sharparam | altgr* |
| 22:28.36 | kd3 | whee, and it's time for the worldserver to fall over and die repeatedly |
| 22:29.34 | Sharparam | hm, altgr is more complicated than that apparently |
| 22:29.59 | Sharparam | e = e, shift+e = E, ctrl+alt+e = nothing, altgr + e = |
| 22:30.05 | TC-Work | My point is that in theory anything a key labled altgr can do, a key labled alt can do. |
| 22:30.24 | Sharparam | alt+e = nothing |
| 22:30.35 | TC-Work | It's just mapping though |
| 22:30.47 | Sharparam | also regular alt is used to access the menu bar |
| 22:31.10 | kd3 | wtf. everyone getting hearthed back to SW (where everybody's hearth got force-reset to) is just /crying |
| 22:31.14 | Sharparam | so if the binding was alt+e to produce then i wouldn't be able to access the settings menu |
| 22:31.25 | Sharparam | or rather, i wouldn't be able to type |
| 22:32.02 | TC-Work | Again, there are 2 alt keys |
| 22:32.06 | TC-Work | lalt ralt |
| 22:32.14 | Sharparam | i'm not sure if most apps differentiate them |
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| 22:32.47 | TC-Work | They have different names, if the app ignores that, it's just a bad app |
| 22:33.01 | Sharparam | does it in all languages? |
| 22:33.14 | Sharparam | like if some language has some kind of wrapping thing for keys and all you get is "pressed alt" |
| 22:34.19 | Sharparam | can you differentiate them in WoW? |
| 22:34.20 | TC-Work | The literal key names are lalt and ralt afaik |
| 22:34.24 | TC-Work | I think so |
| 22:34.33 | Sharparam | there's the IsAltKeyDown or something |
| 22:34.43 | Sharparam | !api IsAlt |
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| 22:35.01 | Sharparam | is the api bot not here or am i using the wrong command |
| 22:35.24 | Gnarfoz | you're doing it wrong |
| 22:35.28 | Sharparam | :P |
| 22:35.35 | Sharparam | what is it |
| 22:35.39 | TC-Work | it looks right. |
| 22:35.40 | Gnarfoz | no idea, the bot isn't here |
| 22:35.45 | TC-Work | ~lart Gnarfoz |
| 22:35.45 | purl | eats Gnarfoz's liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti |
| 22:35.51 | Sharparam | ~api IsAlt |
| 22:35.51 | purl | !api IsAlt |
| 22:35.55 | Sharparam | lol |
| 22:35.58 | Gnarfoz | WHAT DID YOU EXPECT?! :p |
| 22:36.17 | Sharparam | ~something something |
| 22:36.39 | Gnarfoz | I don't even know if the search would currently work if the bot was here |
| 22:36.44 | Gnarfoz | haven't seen someone use that in ages |
| 22:37.00 | Sharparam | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/IsAltKeyDown |
| 22:37.08 | Sharparam | there doesn't seem to be a IsRAltKeyDown |
| 22:37.34 | foxlit | donât confuse absence of evidence for evidence of absence. |
| 22:38.27 | foxlit | anyhow, http://wowpedia.org/API_IsAltKeyDown |
| 22:38.55 | TC-Work | Linux is good about mapping meta keys, windows...not so much. |
| 22:38.57 | Sharparam | hm |
| 22:39.06 | Sharparam | so the question is if IsAlt returns true for both alt keys |
| 22:39.17 | Sharparam | i can't test since i don't have a right alt |
| 22:42.25 | Sharparam | oh wait |
| 22:42.29 | Sharparam | my second keyboard does |
| 22:44.49 | TC-Work | Yes it does |
| 22:45.04 | TC-Work | All it is looking for is alt* |
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| 22:46.29 | Sharparam | hm |
| 22:46.40 | Sharparam | it's just hexchat that doesn't accept ctrl+alt+e for apparently |
| 22:46.43 | Sharparam | works fine in steam |
| 22:49.26 | foxlit | is it also failing to send utf-8? |
| 22:49.44 | Sharparam | it shouldn't be |
| 22:50.27 | Sharparam | what does it show up like for you |
| 22:50.42 | foxlit | (incompatible encoding) |
| 22:51.12 | Sharparam | wat |
| 22:52.09 | foxlit | http://go-hero.net/i/shar.png |
| 22:52.31 | Sharparam | what encoding do you have specified in your client? |
| 22:53.44 | Sharparam | bleh |
| 22:53.46 | Sharparam | ffs client |
| 22:53.52 | Sharparam | it's set itself to irc latin hybrid |
| 22:53.54 | Sharparam | bad client |
| 22:54.00 | Gnarfoz | that EUR sign works just fine⢠here |
| 22:54.20 | Gnarfoz | "it set itself" = "layer 8 problem" |
| 22:54.22 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 22:54.35 | Gnarfoz | (which is funny, since I'm also using hexchat, but with utf-8) |
| 22:55.51 | Sharparam | should work now: ⬠|
| 22:56.01 | foxlit | yep. |
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| 22:57.31 | Gnarfoz | wonder what their hybrid does that it works for one utf-8 client but not for another |
| 22:58.30 | foxlit | encodes it to something thatâs not utf8, and tries to decode it with that if utf8 decoding fails? |
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| 23:14.40 | Gnarfoz | mine is not set to hybrid, so I'd hope it'd just fail if it encounters invalid utf-8 |
| 23:14.50 | Gnarfoz | probably a bit too hopeful. |
| 23:15.05 | Sharparam | it will throw errors and cause a bsod |
| 23:15.06 | Neffi | i think my realm blew up |
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| 23:17.57 | Neffi | semlar, did you spill coffee on Emerald Dream? |
| 23:18.32 | TC-Work | again. |
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| 23:30.04 | Semlar | yes neffi |
| 23:31.14 | Semlar | neffi did i mention you can make models cast spells with the new CinematicModel frames |
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| 23:53.24 | karl_w_w | http://us.battle.net/hearthstone/en/forum/topic/13779227960?page=2#33 this guy is on crack |
| 23:53.37 | karl_w_w | the whole fucking thread talks about how it is inconsistent with effects |
| 23:54.39 | Semlar | locks karl_w_w |
| 23:58.16 | karl_w_w | Semlars everythings |
