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| 00:31.05 | Gethe | sadface for still broken textures |
| 00:31.47 | Semlar | is there some reason we can't load our own textures or is it incidental |
| 00:33.14 | Gethe | well they haven't mentioned any chages to how they are rendered, so I've been assuming it's a bug. |
| 00:33.22 | Gethe | changes* |
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| 00:37.47 | Gethe | I wish i had remembered about it while that dev was in here >.> |
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| 01:04.37 | Esamynn|work | I'm sure they know about it |
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| 02:09.05 | Neffi | Has anyone done some profiling on the performance of C_Timer*? |
| 02:09.15 | Neffi | (6.x) |
| 02:09.24 | Semlar | profiles neffi |
| 02:09.32 | Torhal | Racist. |
| 02:09.41 | kd3|hate`net | the one implemented c-side should be fast fast fast |
| 02:09.42 | Neffi | semlar hates white people |
| 02:09.53 | Semlar | what can i say |
| 02:10.08 | Neffi | I'm curious about how it compares to doing the timers with animations like AceTimer-3 does |
| 02:10.40 | Torhal | Unless they changed something, it doesn't do sub-seconds |
| 02:11.26 | Simca | the C timers work fine with stuff like 1/60th of a second |
| 02:11.30 | Neffi | You mean it's only second precision? |
| 02:11.42 | Simca | the precision is very very fine |
| 02:11.51 | Torhal | Simca: It's been a long while since I looked. |
| 02:11.52 | Neffi | super fine |
| 02:12.04 | Neffi | I suppose it's prudent to wait until 6.0 hits anyway |
| 02:12.21 | Semlar | neffi my car is leaking |
| 02:12.33 | Semlar | the floor is soaked |
| 02:12.35 | Neffi | but your car is made out of solid materials |
| 02:12.47 | Neffi | and the flow rate on solid materials is like quintillions of years |
| 02:13.00 | Simca | I've only been using C_Timer.After though, mainly |
| 02:13.02 | Torhal | He learned how to liquify things, Neffi. |
| 02:13.18 | Semlar | on the plus side the car probably isn't even worth driving it somewhere to have it crushed |
| 02:13.23 | Neffi | I feel bad for you, Semlar, but not too bad, because at least you own a car |
| 02:13.34 | Simca | owned a car* |
| 02:13.39 | Neffi | heh |
| 02:13.49 | Amarande | Semlar: heh, see if the mythbusters are interested in using it for destructive experiments maybe :) |
| 02:14.07 | Semlar | i don't know where it's leaking from |
| 02:14.25 | Neffi | Go through a car wash where you can sit inside and watch |
| 02:14.33 | Semlar | the only part that's wet is under the passenger leg area |
| 02:14.49 | Semlar | the seat isn't wet |
| 02:15.12 | Semlar | and i don't think it's leaking through the glove compartment |
| 02:15.23 | Semlar | :| |
| 02:16.13 | Torhal | Probably just fairies or gremlins using the floorboard as a latrine. |
| 02:16.21 | Semlar | could be |
| 02:19.09 | Semlar | i'm going to have grass growing out of the floor mat soon |
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| 02:43.33 | Iriel | Semlar: is the drain at the botto of the passenger door blocked? |
| 02:43.43 | Semlar | drain? |
| 02:43.52 | Iriel | usually thereâs a hole drilled in the metal somewhere |
| 02:43.54 | Iriel | or a gap |
| 02:43.59 | Iriel | so that water that gets in can get out |
| 02:44.20 | Semlar | i don't really keep anything in the car |
| 02:44.45 | Semlar | i'll go over it tomorrow and see if i can figure out where it's getting in |
| 02:45.11 | Iriel | itâs /probably/ more likely to be flowing along an edge somewhere than âfallingâ directly on the floor |
| 02:45.35 | Semlar | yeah it's most likely traveling along something |
| 02:46.47 | Semlar | i need to just duct tape everything |
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| 02:51.52 | bluspacecow | âTorhal: Probably just fairies or gremlins using the floorboard as a latrine.â |
| 02:52.07 | bluspacecow | naw man you need Gnomes using the engine as a latrine for increased speed |
| 02:53.07 | Torhal | That settles it, Semlar - bluspacecow has been sneaking in while you're not watching. |
| 02:53.21 | bluspacecow | XD |
| 02:53.30 | Semlar | he better start cleaning up after himself |
| 03:21.03 | Neffi | hey Semlar. name my addon. it's cooldown buttons |
| 03:21.18 | Semlar | CooldownButtons |
| 03:21.20 | Neffi | https://i.imgur.com/lYGAFjb.png see the 1 button below my unit frame. that's the best picture I have on hand |
| 03:21.59 | Neffi | so clever, Semlar |
| 03:22.22 | Seerah | it'll be so easy to find when searching ;) |
| 03:22.40 | Semlar | maybe ButtonCooldowns |
| 03:23.00 | Neffi | probably already taken |
| 03:23.19 | Neffi | I'm trying to think of a cool name |
| 03:23.31 | Neffi | Like, my buff frames (not released yet) are called Aura Borealis |
| 03:23.36 | Seerah | ColdClickyThing |
| 03:23.57 | Neffi | but they're not clickable! |
| 03:24.05 | Seerah | then don't call it a button :P |
| 03:24.06 | Semlar | man, they aren't even buttons |
| 03:24.19 | Semlar | we'll have to scrap the whole thing |
| 03:24.22 | Seerah | CooldownTexture |
| 03:24.24 | Neffi | oh, ok |
| 03:24.37 | Neffi | but there's also an optional status bar and fontstring |
| 03:24.49 | Seerah | CooldownTexture/Statusbar/Fonstring |
| 03:24.53 | Seerah | :D |
| 03:25.10 | Neffi | that name is so good I would feel guilty using it, and robbing somebody else of the pleasure |
| 03:25.16 | Seerah | lol |
| 03:25.32 | Seerah | texture statusbar fontstring is STF - just need a u! |
| 03:25.50 | Seerah | Semlar: ideas? |
| 03:26.48 | Neffi | stuf is already taken |
| 03:27.00 | Seerah | that's not where the u goes :P |
| 03:27.09 | Neffi | haha, can't believe I missed that |
| 03:27.20 | Neffi | if you come up with a workable acronym, I will totally use that |
| 03:27.38 | Semlar | uncool |
| 03:28.09 | Seerah | search "cooldown" at thesaurus.com - it says "do you mean calldown?" |
| 03:28.11 | Seerah | NO |
| 03:28.47 | Seerah | ah, they want it as two words. apparently, one of the synonyms is "shut up" |
| 03:28.53 | Semlar | ice..box.. |
| 03:28.57 | Semlar | i got nothin |
| 03:29.06 | Neffi | I kinda like Icebox actually |
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| 04:32.06 | kd3|hate`net | ah, polymorph. giving designers a hard time since 2004: https://twitter.com/Wowpedia/status/492889471814078464 |
| 04:35.49 | Neffi | nah, it's the new glyph: Polymorph - Abomination |
| 04:39.58 | Neffi | hmm. is there any way to simulate something like: debug.getinfo(2,'n').name |
| 04:40.13 | Neffi | Or in other words, get the name of the function that called my function |
| 05:11.13 | Neffi | probing debugstack seems to be very unreliable depending on what's in the call stack |
| 05:12.12 | Neffi | my current solution works sometimes, but other times fails to get the name (like if I invoke a function using it from /dump) |
| 05:12.15 | Neffi | https://gist.github.com/5b22f90918dd70c1b13e |
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| 07:17.23 | Neffi | Ah, testing the function with /dump made it a tail call, for which that info isn't preserved |
| 07:22.32 | Mr_Rabies | hmm |
| 07:22.46 | Mr_Rabies | looks like openraid softlaunched a much better UX for the event creation |
| 07:22.55 | Mr_Rabies | like, actually having the proper difficulty settings |
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| 07:23.15 | Mr_Rabies | and uh, some neat additions like leaving notes for changes, etc |
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| 07:43.38 | Mr_Rabies | on that note, if anyone is interested in a garrosh run monday morning (technically, just after 11:59pm on sunday) EDT on US Alliance, pm me and I'll get you a link to the raid on openraid :o |
| 07:46.18 | jnwhiteh | wowprogramming framexml/api-master updated |
| 07:46.27 | jnwhiteh | fwiw =) |
| 07:46.47 | Mr_Rabies | hopefully that kind of advertising isn't against any channel rules, i guess me being here for years might help :p |
| 07:47.23 | Mr_Rabies | but i can be like "this is the jerk that made -addon everyone hates- and harass you in mumble, so think of the opportunity |
| 07:50.15 | Sintacks | Mr_Rabies, normal or heroic o.O |
| 07:50.21 | Mr_Rabies | normal |
| 07:50.32 | Sintacks | I miss my mage. :( |
| 07:50.35 | Mr_Rabies | we're kinda poopy on heroic atm |
| 07:50.39 | Mr_Rabies | our server is pretty dead |
| 07:50.43 | Mr_Rabies | and we're two severs |
| 07:50.45 | Mr_Rabies | servers |
| 07:50.47 | Sintacks | ha. i should bring my warrior with the shiny H BoA I have... |
| 07:50.58 | Sintacks | but that warrior hasnt' played since ToT ... and is only like... 530 ilvl <.< |
| 07:51.02 | Mr_Rabies | i just got my heroic warforged staff |
| 07:51.05 | Mr_Rabies | so EAT IT |
| 07:51.10 | Sintacks | I've got 3 weapons |
| 07:51.16 | Sintacks | in 6 kills |
| 07:51.16 | Mr_Rabies | you're a weapon |
| 07:51.18 | Sintacks | it was 3 weapons in 4 kills |
| 07:51.18 | Mr_Rabies | i've gotten uh |
| 07:51.21 | Mr_Rabies | 2 from flex |
| 07:51.23 | Sintacks | but i haven't gotten more :( |
| 07:51.28 | Mr_Rabies | 0 from normal |
| 07:51.39 | Sintacks | idk from flex and normal. but 3 heroic. |
| 07:52.11 | Mr_Rabies | we just cleared uh |
| 07:52.25 | Mr_Rabies | scopionbro in like two attempts last week, after bashing our heads into sha for weeks |
| 07:52.54 | Mr_Rabies | our record on sha is like 14% hp |
| 07:53.10 | Mr_Rabies | this was with one pug player, lol |
| 07:53.39 | Mr_Rabies | we can't find a melee dps in our groove atm |
| 07:54.26 | Sintacks | I can't even spell the name of the stupid server my warrior is on... |
| 07:54.29 | Mr_Rabies | everyone's either still working on normals or way ahead of us on heroic |
| 07:54.35 | Sintacks | Alleria and that guy ... that i can't spell. ever. |
| 07:54.39 | Mr_Rabies | no one wants into the 5/14 heroic guild :( |
| 07:54.44 | Mr_Rabies | Turalyon? |
| 07:54.55 | Sintacks | i always try to do the l and y backwards |
| 07:55.00 | Mr_Rabies | Tura |
| 07:55.02 | Mr_Rabies | lyon |
| 07:55.05 | Mr_Rabies | is how i remember it |
| 07:55.26 | Mr_Rabies | also i had to figure out wtf they were talking about at blizzcon at one point when they said "teralion" |
| 07:55.44 | Mr_Rabies | so i had to wrack my brain to figure out they were saying turalyon |
| 07:55.49 | Sintacks | i wonder what ilvl my warrior actually is |
| 07:55.52 | Mr_Rabies | i'm like uh |
| 07:55.53 | Mr_Rabies | 577? |
| 07:55.55 | Mr_Rabies | i spent like |
| 07:56.06 | Sintacks | my rogue is 587.6 or something. |
| 07:56.09 | Sintacks | i'm missing a heroic wf ring |
| 07:56.19 | Sintacks | then everything is wf except tier |
| 07:56.28 | Mr_Rabies | 25 man is like WF pinata |
| 07:56.30 | Sintacks | and i have everything for a full wf set except legs. |
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| 07:56.33 | Mr_Rabies | 10 man, it like never drops |
| 07:56.44 | Sintacks | oh god |
| 07:56.47 | Sintacks | warrior is 501 |
| 07:56.49 | Sintacks | lololol |
| 07:56.58 | Mr_Rabies | got 28 immerseus kills |
| 07:57.03 | Mr_Rabies | no staff drop for 26 |
| 07:57.10 | Mr_Rabies | on 27, i get my heroic staff |
| 07:57.14 | Mr_Rabies | 28 heroic kills, that is |
| 07:57.22 | Mr_Rabies | on 27, i get my heroic staff, and on 28 i get my heroic warforged |
| 07:57.25 | Sintacks | the H BoA weapon only brings me up to 506 |
| 07:57.46 | Sintacks | replacing an item 99 levels lower than it |
| 07:59.58 | VIad | "Fifty Layers of Shadow?! PERCIVAL, YOU PUT THAT BACK THIS INSTANT. Nasty bird..." |
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| 08:20.12 | jnwhiteh | lua_bot: welcome back, I'm sorry that bad bulgarian man stole your nickname =/ |
| 08:20.14 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: luabot:1: '=' expected near 'back' |
| 08:20.22 | jnwhiteh | snatchy as always, I see |
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| 08:53.59 | VIad | jnwhiteh: someone stole bots name? :P |
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| 09:14.30 | jnwhiteh | VIad: yeah =) |
| 09:14.33 | jnwhiteh | i have a new version of lightheaded |
| 09:14.35 | jnwhiteh | that might be up-to-date |
| 09:14.42 | jnwhiteh | anyone play enough wow to test it out for me? |
| 09:15.46 | mikma | maybe i should start it again |
| 09:16.17 | mikma | but first, let me find a self... err authenticator |
| 09:25.41 | karl_w_w | self authenticator? |
| 09:26.10 | karl_w_w | don't you already know who you are? :P |
| 09:37.27 | mikma | obviously you suck, alot, karl_w_w |
| 09:39.10 | Stanzilla | people comparing nazi germany and hitler to garrosh in general chat on beta |
| 09:39.12 | Stanzilla | classic |
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| 10:01.54 | Mr_Rabies | it's more like fdr appointed hitler president while he popped some lsd and listened to guile from street fighter |
| 10:02.32 | Mr_Rabies | http://media1.gameinformer.com/imagefeed/featured/features/top10s/taunts/10guile.jpg |
| 10:25.04 | VIad | I saw something disturbing. |
| 10:25.29 | VIad | http://ss.bool.no/capture_1406370301.jpeg |
| 10:25.34 | VIad | who is that in my garrison stable? |
| 10:28.44 | zenzelezz | the drake? |
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| 10:42.36 | p3lim | How do I separate the exported code into the correct folders? |
| 10:42.45 | p3lim | Like addons, framexml, gluexml etc |
| 10:43.38 | Maldivia | p3lim: how did you export? |
| 10:43.49 | p3lim | in the console, exportinterfacefiles code |
| 10:44.14 | Maldivia | it didn't create the right folders -- live or beta? |
| 10:44.18 | p3lim | beta |
| 10:44.36 | Maldivia | oh, well -- beta export is probably broken, it hasn't worked till recent patch, so |
| 10:45.53 | Maldivia | so until they fix it, I would probably opt for one of the unofficial way to extract, or one already done it for you, like: https://github.com/tomrus88/BlizzardInterfaceCode/tree/master/Interface |
| 10:46.22 | p3lim | Yeah there's a new build out today, was gonna do a quick diff myself |
| 10:46.27 | p3lim | but it seems it's completely borked |
| 10:46.32 | Maldivia | it was an exe patch only |
| 10:47.00 | p3lim | Wasn't, I see lots of changes |
| 10:47.48 | p3lim | Actually, nvm |
| 10:48.47 | Maldivia | there was the big one yesterday (18594), and then a small exe-only patch last night (18612) |
| 10:51.06 | p3lim | yeah the diff threw me off, apparently some files are just copy-paste with small differences between FrameXML and GlueXML, like the video options or audio options |
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| 10:54.16 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 10:55.44 | VIad | zenzelezz: the drake yes - you know the sandstone drake mount is a shapeshift right? |
| 10:55.58 | VIad | meaning someone turned into the sandstone drake and is now living at my stables! |
| 10:56.40 | haste | hey Fisker |
| 10:56.50 | Fisker | Can I poop on your floor |
| 10:57.14 | haste | no |
| 10:57.16 | haste | you can poop on your own floor |
| 10:57.28 | Fisker | That's boring though |
| 11:04.46 | karl_w_w | peanut butter lindor are so good but so hard to find |
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| 13:40.20 | p3lim | what would be an easy way of testing vehicles on the beta? |
| 13:45.38 | smcn | hmm |
| 13:46.13 | smcn | queueing for strand of the ancients on pvp server maybe? probably time consuming i'm sure everyone's doing ashran not random bgs |
| 13:46.38 | Dagmar | I doubt there's much to stop you from going into that old instances with the bikes and the catapults |
| 13:46.44 | smcn | oh yeah duh |
| 13:46.45 | smcn | ulduar |
| 13:47.15 | Dagmar | Yeah that one |
| 13:47.31 | p3lim | just remembered, one of the first quests in Azshara has vehicle stuff, I'll just go there |
| 13:47.34 | p3lim | not as remote as ulduar |
| 13:48.19 | Fisker | also the daily in the nexus |
| 13:48.43 | p3lim | Fisker: That requires quests to get to |
| 13:48.53 | Fisker | you require quests |
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| 14:06.58 | Alram | p3lim, my garrison had a random vehicle actually |
| 14:07.05 | Alram | level 3 alliance garrison |
| 14:07.11 | Alram | it was just standing somewhere |
| 14:08.36 | p3lim | haven't looked into the updated garrison yet, but thanks for the tip |
| 14:09.11 | Alram | it was in front of the town hall on a top of a ledge |
| 14:11.14 | jnwhiteh | Hrm |
| 14:11.21 | jnwhiteh | how should I release WoD versions of my addons |
| 14:11.25 | jnwhiteh | put them out as beta released? |
| 14:11.27 | jnwhiteh | releases? |
| 14:11.31 | jnwhiteh | make new addon pages for those? |
| 14:13.50 | Alram | i guess beta releases with a huge warning that says WoD only |
| 14:19.28 | p3lim | I did beta last time, gonna do new addon pages this time |
| 14:19.35 | jnwhiteh | how will that interact with curse client? |
| 14:20.07 | p3lim | I'm not doing beta addons on curse |
| 14:20.30 | smcn | jnwhiteh: well, i use alpha as preferred release type, so it would probably eff me over (if i was playing live) |
| 14:20.35 | jnwhiteh | smcn: yeah |
| 14:20.38 | jnwhiteh | that's what i'm worried about =) |
| 14:20.41 | jnwhiteh | so i'll probably avoid that |
| 14:20.49 | smcn | by "eff me over" of course i mean i'd say "uh what happened" and then realize what happened and then fix it myself |
| 14:20.53 | jnwhiteh | well |
| 14:20.57 | jnwhiteh | I'll make as much backwards compat |
| 14:21.01 | jnwhiteh | bu the version numbers are tricky =) |
| 14:21.12 | smcn | yeah |
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| 14:23.43 | jnwhiteh | did they change TGA support in 6.0? |
| 14:23.52 | jnwhiteh | the Clique icon is showing up as green and I'm not sure why =) |
| 14:24.02 | p3lim | they disabled custom textures on beta |
| 14:24.05 | p3lim | temp thing |
| 14:24.08 | jnwhiteh | ah, okay |
| 14:24.18 | p3lim | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49490 |
| 14:24.18 | smcn | i was going to ask about that earlier thanks p3lim |
| 14:24.50 | smcn | but if you reference in-game textures it's fine e.g. clique's minimap icon |
| 14:24.54 | smcn | i mean |
| 14:24.56 | p3lim | yup |
| 14:24.57 | smcn | skada's minimap icon |
| 14:24.58 | smcn | derp |
| 14:26.27 | smcn | the itemlevel on the lvl 100 pve realm gear is all over the place |
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| 15:02.08 | jnwhiteh | I need a raid on EU PTR |
| 15:02.12 | jnwhiteh | anyone able to help me out? |
| 15:02.24 | p3lim | horde or alliance? |
| 15:02.30 | jnwhiteh | either |
| 15:02.38 | jnwhiteh | i'm horde at org right now |
| 15:02.41 | jnwhiteh | can swap |
| 15:02.45 | p3lim | oh, nvm, you said PTR |
| 15:02.51 | jnwhiteh | i mean beta |
| 15:02.53 | jnwhiteh | obvi, sorry =) |
| 15:03.05 | jnwhiteh | I'm on Beta Leveling Realm 01 |
| 15:03.15 | p3lim | ah, I'm on #2 |
| 15:03.15 | jnwhiteh | but again, can swap to anything |
| 15:03.17 | jnwhiteh | k |
| 15:03.24 | jnwhiteh | what faction? |
| 15:03.26 | p3lim | horde |
| 15:04.01 | jnwhiteh | cladhaire |
| 15:04.07 | p3lim | logging in |
| 15:08.03 | smcn | hm so /cast is no longer interchangable with /use for items on beta, intended? |
| 15:08.25 | p3lim | those are defined in UIParent, you could take a look |
| 15:08.33 | p3lim | sorry, I meant FrameXML |
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| 15:19.26 | VIad | Heartstone 1 round win https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWDiytYzqBM :d |
| 15:21.04 | smcn | ChatFrame.lua specifically, looks like they split /use and /cast into discrete functions (instead of SecureCmdList["USE"] = SecureCmdList["CAST"];) but there's a comment that implies they should still be interchangeable |
| 15:22.06 | VIad | I couldn't "/cast Hearthstone" on beta |
| 15:22.10 | VIad | but I could /use spells |
| 15:22.18 | smcn | oh, there's the problem |
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| 15:24.04 | smcn | GetSpellInfo() returns an empty string instead of nil |
| 15:24.21 | p3lim | the first return? |
| 15:24.28 | smcn | yeah |
| 15:24.37 | p3lim | on what spell? |
| 15:24.48 | smcn | i mean for anything that isn't a spell |
| 15:24.58 | p3lim | ah, yeah I heard something about that |
| 15:25.05 | p3lim | it returns three empty strings |
| 15:25.08 | smcn | thus, "if (spell)" is always true |
| 15:25.21 | smcn | and that's what /cast is checking to see if it should use an item or a spell |
| 15:25.25 | p3lim | they also removed three returns in the middle |
| 15:25.42 | smcn | to the beta ui forums! oh i mean, to the in-game bug report tool! |
| 15:27.39 | p3lim | odd, if I do /dump GetSpellInfo() == "" it returns false |
| 15:27.57 | p3lim | true if I compare it to nil |
| 15:28.29 | smcn | )/dump GetSpellInfo("asdf")=="" returns true |
| 15:28.58 | p3lim | ah, invalid param |
| 15:30.12 | VIad | please tell me shattrath is a city we can enter |
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| 15:37.23 | smcn | apparently my text editor is using an ENGB dictionary because it wants to change behavior to behaviour |
| 15:45.03 | karl_w_w | that's a smart text editor |
| 15:45.42 | smcn | s/smart/right brilliant |
| 15:45.51 | smcn | b/c yall talk like that all the time lolololllllll |
| 15:46.11 | VIad | british does sound smarter |
| 15:47.34 | smcn | anyways submitted that bug report time to play some more p.s. thx p3lim for pointing me in the right direction -> <p3lim> those are defined in UIParent, you could take a look |
| 15:47.58 | VIad | smcn: do you play on the 100 realm? |
| 15:48.03 | karl_w_w | so pacific rim is actually decent |
| 15:48.07 | smcn | nah i'm on leveling 01 |
| 15:48.49 | VIad | :D |
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| 15:49.07 | VIad | karl_w_w: you are a decent person |
| 15:49.19 | karl_w_w | dawww |
| 15:49.45 | smcn | i'd probably like pacific rim if i wasn't one of the dozens of anime fans who doesn't care for mecha at all |
| 15:50.10 | karl_w_w | I don't care for mecha at all either |
| 15:51.19 | VIad | the reason I don't like mecha so much is how those kind of stories usually go in anime :p |
| 15:51.22 | karl_w_w | pacific rim isn't based on anime, even though it feels like it at times |
| 15:51.39 | VIad | I enjoyed pacific rim too |
| 15:51.52 | Arrowmaster | and how do those stories usually go |
| 15:52.25 | Tuller | pacific rim an updated version of independence day |
| 15:52.45 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 15:53.06 | VIad | hmm |
| 15:53.10 | VIad | one thing I noticed that WOD lacks |
| 15:53.15 | karl_w_w | independence day is a bad movie though |
| 15:53.34 | VIad | when you turn your camera and there is foilage in the way between you and the camera; the foilage should fade away :P |
| 15:53.59 | smcn | submit suggestion |
| 15:54.20 | Tuller | independence day is a great movie, but it is not a great film |
| 15:54.21 | VIad | have since cataclysm |
| 15:54.26 | VIad | no one listens, smcn :( |
| 15:55.24 | karl_w_w | it's probably not possible for some reason |
| 15:55.43 | karl_w_w | without lots of work |
| 15:57.04 | nevcairiel | its not an easy tweak, thats for sure |
| 15:57.05 | jnwhiteh | p3lim: any chance of your help? =) |
| 15:57.14 | jnwhiteh | nvm |
| 15:57.23 | jnwhiteh | i seemed to be able ot create a raid by inviting a random |
| 15:57.45 | VIad | karl_w_w: another person talking about such technique: http://forum.unity3d.com/threads/script-to-transparent-tree-leaves-between-player-and-camera.122227/ |
| 15:58.59 | jnwhiteh | p3lim: again, if you dont mind |
| 15:59.06 | VIad | karl_w_w: even someone posting 100 lines script to achieve this in unity3d engine :P http://forum.unity3d.com/threads/how-to-fade-objects-between-camera-and-character.69955/ |
| 15:59.11 | nevcairiel | whats with that forum and random weirdo posts in the content VIad o.o |
| 15:59.26 | karl_w_w | wow isn't written in unity |
| 15:59.29 | VIad | were the only things I found relevant in google |
| 15:59.47 | VIad | no karl_w_w, but raycasting isn't exclusive to unity3d either I am sure. |
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| 16:00.46 | Jamash | Optical mice are funny. |
| 16:00.55 | karl_w_w | they tell good jokes |
| 16:01.04 | VIad | as opposed to blind mice? |
| 16:01.22 | Jamash | I've been trying to figure out why mine has poor tracking on my desk. I just realized it has worse tracking horizontally because that's the direction of the wood grain :| |
| 16:01.59 | VIad | why did we go from laser to optical? |
| 16:02.23 | Jamash | it is a laser mouse, laser mice are optical |
| 16:03.13 | Jamash | optical covers conventional LED, laser, dark field, etc |
| 16:03.22 | VIad | but the marketing started to use optical everywhere, before it was laser :p |
| 16:03.35 | smcn | okay reset position on portraits should not be right next to lock position |
| 16:03.49 | VIad | it's good design, smcn |
| 16:04.07 | smcn | i mean they moved invite away from inspect |
| 16:04.10 | VIad | reset should trhen have a confirmation :3 |
| 16:04.12 | smcn | then did the same thing somewhere else |
| 16:04.15 | smcn | derp |
| 16:04.39 | VIad | damn russians on beta can't type english |
| 16:04.56 | Jamash | That's racist |
| 16:05.09 | karl_w_w | Jamash, there are these things called mouse mats |
| 16:05.26 | karl_w_w | as the name implies, it is a mat that you put your mouse on |
| 16:05.36 | Jamash | karl_w_w: Yeah, my mouse doesn't like my wrath of the lich king mousepad <-- en_US name |
| 16:06.31 | VIad | Jamash: I was not being racist, just disappointed :p |
| 16:06.34 | Jamash | I have no idea why |
| 16:06.35 | karl_w_w | a mousepad is a small square piece of crap, a mouse mat is a large thing |
| 16:07.21 | Jamash | I like having my sensitivity high enough I only have to move a few inches to cross the screen |
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| 16:08.03 | karl_w_w | yeah my mouse crosses my screen in about 1 inch |
| 16:08.13 | Jamash | so why do you need a mouse mat? |
| 16:09.02 | karl_w_w | mainly so I know the surface is clean/clear |
| 16:09.15 | karl_w_w | plus it feels nice |
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| 16:09.45 | Jamash | I have this one http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51hiYIG7hjL.jpg |
| 16:09.51 | Jamash | maybe it's too shiny/not shiny enough? |
| 16:10.18 | karl_w_w | probably too shiny |
| 16:11.04 | karl_w_w | I have one of these http://steelseries.com/products/surfaces/steelseries-qck |
| 16:11.42 | karl_w_w | my mouse doesnt track well on glass |
| 16:11.48 | karl_w_w | which my desk is made of |
| 16:13.11 | nevcairiel | i love those huge soft mouse mats |
| 16:14.19 | foxlit | counterintiutively, my mouse tracks worse on that cloth pad than on the desk. |
| 16:14.20 | karl_w_w | the one I have is not that big compared to how big they can be, its a bit bigger than a4 |
| 16:14.41 | nevcairiel | mine is like twice a4 |
| 16:15.09 | nevcairiel | i like having them this big and then have like 1/3 hanging down the desk, and covering the edge with something soft |
| 16:29.50 | Jamash | i like having them this big and then have like 1/3 hanging down - nevcairiel |
| 16:30.12 | Neffi | haha |
| 16:52.02 | smcn | i used to have a huge pad too |
| 16:52.09 | p3lim | QcK pads are awesome |
| 16:52.27 | smcn | then i moved to the living room and used the cardboard side of a composition notebook as a mousepad on the couch |
| 16:52.51 | smcn | now i'm back at a deck and have no mousepad and my mouse is in an area of like 5 square inches |
| 17:00.18 | foxlit | if a macro runs another macro which runs /stopmacro, does that abort the inner macro or the whole stack? |
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| 17:18.21 | smcn | i didn't even know you can run another macro from a macro |
| 17:18.35 | VIad | can with /click |
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| 17:39.29 | karl_w_w | http://www.twitch.tv/oukt3 these people are amazing |
| 17:48.56 | VIad | lol karl |
| 17:49.34 | karl_w_w | lol VIad? |
| 17:49.56 | VIad | reminds me of bullet hell games, seems similar. |
| 17:50.08 | VIad | not sure what the genre is for this |
| 17:50.46 | karl_w_w | its a rhythm game |
| 17:51.03 | karl_w_w | you click the circles to the beat |
| 17:51.05 | VIad | it must have some technical name to describe the game type, like mechanic :p |
| 17:51.23 | Semlar | this is so british |
| 17:51.40 | karl_w_w | that's cos it's a UK tournament :P |
| 17:52.08 | VIad | perfect game to code a bot for |
| 17:52.22 | Semlar | i have no idea what's going on |
| 17:52.34 | VIad | move mouse in circles, drag, click, e.g. |
| 17:52.37 | VIad | mouse only game |
| 17:52.42 | Semlar | okay |
| 17:53.37 | VIad | jesus1412 |
| 17:53.51 | VIad | imagine there are 1411 other jesuses near his level |
| 17:54.13 | Semlar | somebody help him! |
| 17:54.15 | karl_w_w | these guys play with a tablet though |
| 17:54.35 | VIad | what was so funny btw? didnt hear :p |
| 17:54.43 | karl_w_w | he's gonna die of laughter |
| 17:54.49 | Semlar | he's hysterical over the fact that the guy needs twice the score to win or something |
| 17:54.49 | karl_w_w | i didnt hear either |
| 17:54.57 | Semlar | i don't know how the game works so |
| 17:55.00 | VIad | "oh sandwitch you so funny" |
| 17:55.46 | Semlar | this game seems like it would be substantially more difficult with a mouse |
| 17:56.30 | karl_w_w | I just started playing it an hour ago |
| 17:57.03 | VIad | you think joystick is easier? :D |
| 17:58.37 | Dagmar | Oh god |
| 17:58.46 | Dagmar | "Mouse Mouse Revolution" is the term you're looking for, I think |
| 17:59.03 | VIad | http://imgur.com/gallery/iLsuVg0 |
| 17:59.37 | Dagmar | Bury her. |
| 18:00.20 | Dagmar | Well, I suppose this is good. I've gone ten hours now without crashing the server again |
| 18:00.42 | VIad | jesus chris I hate people abusin the law when crying out rape, when it didn't happen |
| 18:00.47 | VIad | sons of bitches |
| 18:02.58 | karl_w_w | she should have to serve 5 years in jail |
| 18:03.09 | karl_w_w | anybody got a reason that doesn't make sense |
| 18:04.13 | Semlar | no, i'm very confused why she wouldn't be serving time |
| 18:04.20 | VIad | wikth more cases surfacing that abuse the law, the more doubt there will be around rape cases. who knows how many real victims don't get justice, or faking victims that get innocent people into jail. |
| 18:06.35 | Dagmar | At the very least she should have to pay a bunch of money |
| 18:06.44 | Dagmar | What would be "fair" would be a ten-year sentence for her |
| 18:06.58 | VIad | imagine if she had said nothing this wouldn't surface |
| 18:07.04 | VIad | now imagine how many other cases don't surface |
| 18:07.15 | VIad | makes me sick |
| 18:07.27 | Dagmar | Oh yeah..> Innocent people go to jail all the time. No doubt about that. |
| 18:07.39 | Dagmar | I'd be suing his damn lawyer for allowing a plea of 'no contest' |
| 18:07.55 | VIad | followup http://newsone.com/2597559/brian-banks-wanetta-gibson/ |
| 18:07.58 | karl_w_w | the real problem is juries obviously arent being instructed correctly |
| 18:08.10 | karl_w_w | i find it hard to believe there is no reasonable doubt in a case like that |
| 18:08.17 | Semlar | well he'd have no chance of winning the case so |
| 18:08.18 | karl_w_w | but they just go for the sympathy |
| 18:08.31 | Dagmar | People caving and pleading guilty or no contest are being abused by a system where the prosecutors coerce people to perjure themselves |
| 18:09.34 | Dagmar | At this point if he tries to get any sort of justice, the lawyers and judges will all effectively say "Well, you plead no contest." |
| 18:09.48 | Dagmar | s/plead/pled/ |
| 18:10.05 | Semlar | no contest is not a guilty plea |
| 18:10.23 | Dagmar | That is correct. |
| 18:10.35 | Semlar | he did that to get a lesser sentence because he didn't think he could win |
| 18:11.08 | Dagmar | ...and when the prosecution pulls that, it's called coercion. |
| 18:11.29 | Semlar | that's just plea bargaining |
| 18:11.51 | Dagmar | No, that's actually coercion when they threaten you with a harsher sentece if you go to trial pleading not guilty. |
| 18:12.29 | Dagmar | One pays attention to these things when one tends to recieve visits from the feds. |
| 18:12.34 | Dagmar | ;) |
| 18:12.43 | Semlar | they aren't threatening you with a harsher sentence for going to trial |
| 18:12.56 | Dagmar | Oh you would be _amazed_ at how often it happens, man. |
| 18:12.57 | Semlar | the sentence would have been 10 years |
| 18:13.04 | Dagmar | ...although I don't know if "amazed" is the right word |
| 18:13.04 | Semlar | they plead down to 5 |
| 18:13.20 | Dagmar | Let me put it like this... |
| 18:13.30 | Dagmar | Someone's going to fuck you in the ass with a plunger. |
| 18:13.33 | Dagmar | ...for an hour |
| 18:13.40 | Dagmar | ...but if you don't struggle, only 20 minutes! |
| 18:13.43 | Dagmar | What a deal! |
| 18:14.31 | VIad | http://i.imgur.com/bg0RXTj.jpg |
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| 18:14.37 | Semlar | what do you think plea bargaining is |
| 18:15.12 | Dagmar | It's when you plea guilty to something you know damn well you did in exchange for putting other people to a bunch of bother and expense. |
| 18:15.20 | Neffi | this is the difference between saying "you can take your chances at trial for this sentence" and "if you go to trial, we will call for the maximum sentence" |
| 18:15.28 | Dagmar | er not putting them to |
| 18:15.30 | Neffi | the latter is probably not allowed, but I'd have to ask a friend |
| 18:15.33 | Semlar | the vaaaast majority of cases don't go to court |
| 18:15.49 | Jamash | sometimes I really hate the wow API |
| 18:15.52 | Neffi | courts Semlar |
| 18:16.00 | Semlar | tries to calm neffi down |
| 18:16.01 | Dagmar | Neffi: The latter is definitely coercion |
| 18:16.27 | Dagmar | Prosecutors don't want a lot of people to be aware of that for the same reason youc an get bounced off a jury for whisperign the phrase 'jury nullification'. |
| 18:16.28 | Semlar | anyway, good luck beating a rape charge |
| 18:17.00 | Dagmar | Dude I'm an adult male who lives alone, stays in the house a lot, and does shit on the internet |
| 18:17.14 | Dagmar | There's all _kinds_ of unpleasant things waiting for me if I blink. |
| 18:17.34 | Dagmar | I nearly wigged out and quit facebook until it stopped trying to make me friend 14-year old girls. |
| 18:17.37 | karl_w_w | only sometimes Jamash? |
| 18:17.52 | Dagmar | Children of my co-workers. |
| 18:17.59 | Jamash | karl_w_w: Yeah, only sometimes |
| 18:18.08 | Dagmar | ...and I'm like, if I click this button, it doesn't matter if I know little Chelsea or not |
| 18:18.18 | Dagmar | If she disappears, they're going to look at her social media stuff. |
| 18:18.36 | Dagmar | ...and all of her little teeny bopper friends... and then me. |
| 18:18.37 | VIad | and since Dagmar is the only one with a dungeon, gl with that rape charge |
| 18:19.21 | Dagmar | "Where was I the night of the 21st two months ago? Hell man I don't even rememeber what I ate for breakfast this morning." |
| 18:19.40 | Neffi | Dagmar: Just always be on IRC. The logs are public |
| 18:19.50 | Dagmar | Yes but I could be literally _anywhere_ |
| 18:20.15 | Dagmar | ...and anything that would indicaate remote access would be considered tainted evidence since I'd be the one in control of it. |
| 18:20.43 | Dagmar | ...espcially since "remote access" is something I do really well. |
| 18:20.47 | Jamash | GetSpellBookItemInfo(id, BOOKTYPE_SPELL) returns the global ID of the base spell, regardless of current spec |
| 18:20.49 | Neffi | also possibly dump cell records to indicate that your phone was in use, and at your house |
| 18:21.03 | Amarande | Dagmar: you have a rather rosy view of plea bargaining |
| 18:21.08 | Dagmar | Neffi: This is one of the reasons I make sure skvalex's Call Recorder app works on my phone |
| 18:21.13 | Dagmar | Amarande: I'm a hacker. |
| 18:21.22 | Neffi | WHAT? CALL FOX NEWS |
| 18:21.31 | Dagmar | If nothing else, they tend to slap us with 'conspiracy' charges. |
| 18:21.45 | Amarande | Reality apparently is that in a depressingly large percentage of cases, plea bargaining is a means by which p(er/ro)secutors browbeat defendants into pleading guilty to a crime they often *didn't* actually commit, or at least not according to the actual charges being levied and offered |
| 18:21.59 | Jamash | However, GetSpellLink, GetSpellBookItemName, GetSpellInfo when called with (id,BOOKTYPE_SPELL) return info on the current spec's version of the spell |
| 18:22.01 | Dagmar | I mean, sure, I'm generally up to *something*, but calling what I'm up to 'nefarious' would be one hell of a stretch. |
| 18:22.10 | VIad | Amarande: isn't that bullshit? |
| 18:22.16 | Amarande | so as to improve p(er/ro)secutors' conviction records easily, and apparently there is at least one judge who admitted it's used to keep the courts moving at a reasonable pace |
| 18:22.23 | VIad | can make anyone guilty of shit if you are good enough to convince the jury |
| 18:22.52 | Amarande | As in, it's just not LOGISTICALLY CONVENIENT for the courts to give everyone a fair trial, so government attorneys are encouraged to browbeat lots of defendants into taking a sentence even if they may not have committed a crime |
| 18:23.01 | Semlar | Jamash: doesn't the interface use GetSpellBookItemInfo? how does it display the correct spell in your book |
| 18:23.11 | Amarande | (because the alternative would be to prosecute less, but that gives that horrible Soft On Crime label, and nobody wants to be a SOC :P) |
| 18:23.15 | Jamash | Semlar: GOOD QUESTION |
| 18:23.16 | Dagmar | ...and even if you're innocent, they're going to bankrupt you in the process. |
| 18:23.29 | Jamash | Actually I don't think it does most of the time |
| 18:23.41 | Jamash | it uses GetSpellName, etc which return the spec-specific values |
| 18:23.48 | Semlar | i don't play a class with spells that transform |
| 18:23.54 | Dagmar | ...and if it's something like the disappearance of Little Susie Curlyhead, once the media gets a look at their social media profile, you're probably fucked. |
| 18:24.03 | Jamash | All classes have spells that transform now, welcome to hell |
| 18:24.18 | Amarande | Heh, the way we're getting with media based politics these days, we'd almost be better off with a dictatorship :P |
| 18:24.18 | Jamash | Smite = Mind Flay |
| 18:24.29 | Dagmar | People are not reasonable about rape |
| 18:24.37 | Amarande | After all ... Dictators-for-life don't have to put on airs in order to get elected on a regular basis :p |
| 18:24.49 | Jamash | Dagmar, Amarande: Take it to /r/Politics |
| 18:24.53 | Semlar | what transforms for hunters |
| 18:24.53 | p3lim | any of you good with texture manipulation through texture coordinates? |
| 18:24.58 | Dagmar | A *loong* time ago, I found out (two weeks later because queens) some girl thought I'd raped her |
| 18:25.08 | Dagmar | It took me months and months to clear that shit up. |
| 18:25.28 | Dagmar | Everyone was drinking, we all passed out. I passed out because I was tired. Two drinks. Definitely not out of it or anyth8ing like that |
| 18:25.39 | Dagmar | Some idiot *told* her I'd had sex with her because she had a dream or something |
| 18:25.56 | VIad | sounds fucked up Dagmar |
| 18:26.00 | Dagmar | It was. |
| 18:26.09 | foxlit | ~asktoask |
| 18:26.13 | purl | Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help, if they can. |
| 18:26.16 | VIad | if some idiot said that jokingly he should say it was a joke before it is too late |
| 18:26.43 | Dagmar | Stuff like that is why you can't afford to even get in that situation in the first place, and why prosecutors shouldnt' even be allowed to _hint_ at things that might happen if the case goes to trial and they want to be dicks |
| 18:26.56 | Jamash | Steady Shot / Cobra Shot |
| 18:26.57 | Dagmar | Viad: No it was a damn drama whore queen |
| 18:27.16 | Jamash | Also traps depending on whether or not Trap Launcher is on or off |
| 18:27.25 | Iriel | p3lim: what are you trying to do? |
| 18:27.30 | Dagmar | What cleared it up was a visit to her ob/gyn who confirmed that yes, she was still "intact", as it were |
| 18:27.48 | Semlar | i've never seen cobra shot show up as steady shot |
| 18:27.58 | p3lim | using a square texture, turn it 45° and cut it in half vertically in the middle |
| 18:28.01 | p3lim | to create an arrow |
| 18:28.08 | Jamash | They're the same spell, in a sense |
| 18:28.14 | Semlar | i don't know if you can pull that off p3lim |
| 18:28.23 | foxlit | to create a triangle, p3lim? |
| 18:28.28 | Iriel | p3lim: The texture would need some transparent parts |
| 18:28.29 | Dagmar | For non-BM specs I think the spell changes |
| 18:28.45 | Amarande | Jamash: you can't really create that much variety in abilities in RPGs when you're still expected to keep the ability sets balanced |
| 18:28.51 | p3lim | foxlit: ye |
| 18:29.09 | Amarande | There's a reason Fire, Thunder, Blizzard, and Water are all basically the same spell in FFX. :) |
| 18:29.09 | foxlit | itâs somewhat straightforward. |
| 18:29.20 | foxlit | Draw a unit square in a cartesian coordinate system. |
| 18:29.28 | Jamash | Amarande: Not my point |
| 18:29.40 | foxlit | Draw another rectangle around that square that looks like what you want if you look at it from the right angle. |
| 18:29.41 | Jamash | I mean to the API they are literally the same spell |
| 18:29.50 | foxlit | The coordinates of the corners of that rectangle are what you feed into settexcoord. |
| 18:29.59 | Semlar | i made a triangle once, it was awful http://i.imgur.com/Os9n4zE.jpg |
| 18:30.38 | VIad | Semlar: that's an awful triangle |
| 18:30.42 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/qDfCAYo.jpg i'm not very good with SetTexCoord |
| 18:31.01 | Amarande | Jamash: hmm, is that a spell where each spec gets one or the other but not both? |
| 18:31.08 | Amarande | I'm fuzzy on just what was given to what for hunters for 6.0 |
| 18:31.12 | foxlit | (and yes, you need your square texture to have a transparent pixel border, or this wonât work) |
| 18:31.21 | Dagmar | There was a change like that made to Hunters |
| 18:31.25 | Amarande | except that apparently Kill Shot got taken away from Survival and there was an incredibly huge wail of complaining about it |
| 18:31.35 | Jamash | /dump GetSpellInfo(56641) returns "Steady Shot", "", "INTERFACE\\ICONS\\ability_hunter_cobrashot", 0, false, 0, 1831, 0, 40 |
| 18:31.36 | Iriel | One thing you have to remember is that while youâre working with a rectangular region, behind the scenes the game renders two triangles |
| 18:31.43 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure you can't turn a square into a triangle |
| 18:31.48 | Jamash | when in Survival or BM |
| 18:31.50 | Semlar | because of how it skews the texture |
| 18:31.55 | Amarande | because 1) Survival is FOTM, and 2) apparently enough Surv hunters are idiotic enough to think it was the ability "Kill Shit" that was taken away instead of "Kill Shot" LOL |
| 18:32.04 | Jamash | I presume it is different in MM but I don't have that atm |
| 18:32.10 | Iriel | Semlar: you can turn a square surrounded by transparent pixels into one |
| 18:32.12 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 18:32.24 | p3lim | you can easily make a diamond, just by turning a square 45°, but what if you also set it so half of the texture is outside of the frame? |
| 18:32.25 | Iriel | Semlar: but not a solid square, because itâd fill the infinite void with the edge pixel |
| 18:32.36 | Jamash | To the class trainer! |
| 18:32.42 | Semlar | i tried to do it with the icons once http://i.imgur.com/mYi5Bhj.jpg and it was not possible to bring it to a point without it skewing the texture |
| 18:32.56 | Semlar | maybe i'm just bad |
| 18:33.11 | Amarande | apparently there was also a "the sky is falling" type claim that crowd control and executes were being removed from the game altogether |
| 18:33.16 | Amarande | I guess hunter is the entire game to some people |
| 18:34.04 | Amarande | although ... I guess MoP did do a lot to encourage hunters to be popular, the way solo content was structured :S |
| 18:34.16 | foxlit | itâs not a proper affine transform, but this really should work |
| 18:34.26 | Semlar | to make a triangle like this http://i.imgur.com/wyGrNqb.jpg i had to use a right triangle |
| 18:34.27 | foxlit | (^what the game does is not a â¦) |
| 18:35.11 | Amarande | with all the "semi-elite" mobs, and the fact that adds seemed to be a nigh constant threat when doing dailies in mop |
| 18:35.29 | Iriel | I typically use a 45 degree solid/transparent texture to construct âstuffâ |
| 18:35.35 | Semlar | for SUPER HEXAGON http://i.imgur.com/PCEOtAT.jpg |
| 18:35.41 | Amarande | (plus the new pets, I suppose) |
| 18:36.22 | Amarande | like, for the most part, the main reason I hated doing dailies on my mage in mop was because of there being so many adds |
| 18:36.35 | foxlit | http://go-hero.net/i/tri.png |
| 18:36.36 | Jamash | Amarande: You have ADD don't you |
| 18:38.07 | foxlit | LL: (0,1) LR: (1, 0), UL: (-1, 0) UR: (0, -1) should work. |
| 18:39.05 | Semlar | Jamash: are you trying to get the right texture for the spell icon? |
| 18:39.14 | Jamash | I brought up Serpent Sting solely in relation to class abilities that act weird in regards to GetSpellBookItemInfo and you've manage to digress through Kill Shot, FotM, crowd control, elites, dailies and your mage |
| 18:39.19 | Semlar | because that is something i had to account for with GetSpellInfo before |
| 18:39.41 | Jamash | Semlar: Nah I don't care about textures I'm trying to get reliable mappings between what spells the player knows and what's on the action bars |
| 18:39.46 | Jamash | which is surprisingly difficult |
| 18:39.52 | Iriel | foxlit: NON-affine transformations is what the game canât do. |
| 18:40.04 | Semlar | you're trying to make a list of spells that aren't bound? |
| 18:40.07 | Jamash | Yes |
| 18:40.11 | Semlar | because i wrote a script for that |
| 18:40.15 | Semlar | let me see if i can find it |
| 18:40.15 | Jamash | do tell |
| 18:40.45 | Jamash | mine is buggy as all hell atm because my computer broke shortly after MoP came out and I wasn't able to fix it |
| 18:40.45 | Semlar | granted it might be bugged in the same way you're describing, since i haven't checked for that |
| 18:40.47 | foxlit | Iriel: to me, it seems like you only need three corner points to specify an affine transform. |
| 18:40.56 | Iriel | foxlit: sure,you can always imply the 4th |
| 18:41.08 | Iriel | the API âsupportsâ non-affine transformations |
| 18:41.14 | Iriel | but they look wrong. |
| 18:41.31 | Iriel | because it basically picks 3 corners for each of 2 triangular projections |
| 18:41.45 | Iriel | Thatâs probably my fault, I asked for the 8-coord version of SetTexCoord. |
| 18:41.49 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 18:42.05 | foxlit | would it kill people to expose :SetAffineTransform directly? :) |
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| 18:44.02 | Simca | yes, three devs would spontaneously combust |
| 18:44.11 | Semlar | not sure how useful this is jamash http://pastebin.com/bvpHKRa4 |
| 18:44.27 | foxlit | (and while Iâm making unreasonable requests, the way the game propagates effective alpha is annoying.) |
| 18:44.46 | Semlar | i was using it to sort the spellbook in a way that put the unbound spells first |
| 18:44.55 | Iriel | foxlit: yeah |
| 18:44.56 | VIad | Semlar: what is that for? |
| 18:45.36 | Iriel | foxlit: but I suspect itâs optimized for rendering simplicity as opposed to anything else |
| 18:46.02 | foxlit | sure, donât need extra buffers this way. |
| 18:46.11 | Jamash | Semlar: You misspelled "type" |
| 18:46.18 | Semlar | type is a function |
| 18:46.23 | Semlar | i don't want to overwrite it |
| 18:46.38 | Jamash | pfft |
| 18:46.41 | Semlar | i might use it somewhere |
| 18:46.50 | Jamash | local spellType |
| 18:46.56 | Semlar | too long |
| 18:47.04 | Jamash | local st |
| 18:47.26 | Semlar | it hardly matters |
| 18:47.30 | Amarande | foxlit: we usually blame those sort of crappy situations on "the work experience guy probably did it" :) |
| 18:47.43 | Semlar | i'm not sure why i used the name here, probably because i needed it for sorting later |
| 18:48.23 | Jamash | Semlar: "term" is nil at line 9 |
| 18:48.37 | Semlar | it's from a search box input |
| 18:48.45 | Semlar | in fact i don't even know if the top part does anything for this |
| 18:48.54 | Jamash | ah |
| 18:49.09 | Semlar | it does name2id |
| 18:49.11 | Semlar | that's it |
| 18:49.38 | Semlar | so i guess 24 on is the only part that you might find useful |
| 18:50.14 | Jamash | I'm trying to avoid using spell names, but it might be unavoidable |
| 18:50.29 | Jamash | since spellbook IDs and globalIDs are wonky as hell |
| 18:50.48 | Semlar | it depends on what you need to do with it |
| 18:51.01 | foxlit | learningaid, presumably |
| 18:51.02 | Semlar | but the spell name should be an acceptable substitute for the id in a lot of cases |
| 18:51.03 | Jamash | I want a stable unique identifier :< |
| 18:51.17 | Semlar | since you can literally use the spell name to request info about a spell in your spellbook |
| 18:51.19 | Jamash | I need to refactor the hell out of it |
| 18:51.36 | Jamash | There was some problem I was having with names, I think it was cat/bear spells with identical names |
| 18:51.41 | Jamash | let me check |
| 18:51.48 | Simca | very, very few APIs give spellID info |
| 18:51.57 | Jamash | GetActionInfo does |
| 18:51.59 | Jamash | which is my problem |
| 18:52.03 | Simca | spell name is what you want to use in most cases, even though that sounds stupid |
| 18:52.26 | Semlar | yeah i don't know if i used the name because i had to or if it was convenient |
| 18:52.41 | Semlar | it's pretty unlikely that i would have used it if i could have used the id |
| 18:52.46 | Simca | combat log is basically the only place you can reliably get SpellID IIRC |
| 18:56.14 | VIad | Jamash: the travel form is now one spell :D |
| 18:56.19 | VIad | druids travel and flying is one button now |
| 18:58.06 | foxlit | should just bite the bullet and have combo-point generators transform into finishing moves at 5cp. |
| 18:58.43 | Semlar | but then you couldn't have different finishers |
| 18:58.57 | foxlit | You could have *extra* finishers. |
| 18:58.59 | Jamash | what if they all did? |
| 18:59.11 | Jamash | then you'd have to figure out a way to pair them up though |
| 18:59.11 | foxlit | but rake mapping into rip, and shred mapping into ferocious bite would make me happy. |
| 18:59.16 | Semlar | and you also couldn't continue using combo point generators after having 5 combo points |
| 18:59.30 | Semlar | which you might prefer in some cases |
| 18:59.36 | Jamash | sounds like a request for a macro conditional tbh |
| 18:59.43 | Jamash | too bad blizzard hates useful macro conditionals |
| 19:00.24 | Jamash | you see, dragging your finger across 1-4 is more interesting than hitting a button that tries to cast four spells at once and uses whichever is currently available |
| 19:00.28 | Semlar | you might want to save the combo points for a specific move a little later and still want to do some damage in the meantime |
| 19:00.48 | Semlar | like a 5 point stun in pvp |
| 19:00.52 | Jamash | which is why they neutered first sequential /cast lines and then /castsequence |
| 19:01.20 | Neffi | <foxlit> should just bite the bullet and have combo-point generators transform into finishing moves at 5cp. <- context? |
| 19:01.21 | Jamash | I wonder if a /click macro could get around that |
| 19:01.31 | Jamash | Anyway I think I might have a solution |
| 19:01.42 | VIad | WTF? http://i.imgur.com/HVieQJI.jpg |
| 19:01.53 | foxlit | Neffi: druid abilities being merged. |
| 19:02.14 | Neffi | also as both a rogue and a druid (who does pretty much PvP) there is no correlation whatsoever between which CP-builder I use, and which finisher I spend those CPs on |
| 19:02.39 | foxlit | Semlar: and Iâm okay with that trade off. Maybe add an extra energy sink that doesnât do anything useful. |
| 19:02.59 | Semlar | but that's button bloat and they're trying to avoid that |
| 19:04.16 | foxlit | 1 < 2, still reduces number of buttons. |
| 19:04.34 | VIad | I got confused when I couldn't find my Pounce or Ravage |
| 19:04.44 | VIad | Pounce is now Rake and Shred is Ravage :P |
| 19:05.02 | VIad | shiit... them macros I use on live gonna need converting to work on WOD |
| 19:05.21 | Semlar | and like neffi said, as a feral druid i would have alternated between my bleed and ferocious bite if the bleed were already up |
| 19:05.39 | Semlar | except not really because ferocious bite was fucking terrible |
| 19:05.56 | Neffi | I wouldnt say fucking terrible |
| 19:06.14 | Neffi | If you're generating tons of CPs (which isn't hard) and can afford to pool energy, it's actually not so bad for a little quick burst |
| 19:06.42 | Neffi | you just need to make sure you pool energy. a 3 CP FB with 50 energy IIRC is better than a 5 CP FB with 25 energy |
| 19:06.47 | Semlar | it only really did more damage than shred if you have 5 combo points |
| 19:06.49 | Industrial | Question: Is it possible to get your current horizontal orientation? Where you are looking at? The minimap seems to do it.. |
| 19:06.52 | Jamash | nope, that was a bust |
| 19:06.55 | Semlar | and it was hardly worth dumping the points for it |
| 19:06.56 | Neffi | Semlar: if you have 50 energy* |
| 19:07.02 | Amarande | oh, rogue energy |
| 19:07.21 | Amarande | I'm seeing FB and I'm thinking some sort of fireball thingy, and varying points made me think hearthstone for some reason LOL |
| 19:07.35 | Neffi | Industrial: you mean in the sense of your compass facing? |
| 19:07.36 | Amarande | then I'm trying to think "where in hearthstone do you have 'energy' ... or for that matter any kind of resource abbreviated 'CP'" |
| 19:07.39 | Semlar | anyway, whether you used ferocious bite was based on a number of factors |
| 19:07.52 | Semlar | so you couldn't just have the combo generators turn into it |
| 19:07.52 | Amarande | also, wait, druid energy. *facepalm* |
| 19:07.57 | Industrial | Neffi: yes |
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| 19:08.05 | Industrial | Neffi: I have an addon that shows a 1px line that points to the equator http://imgur.com/VIUCnPc |
| 19:08.15 | Amarande | I keep forgetting about druid energy, probably because when I druid I spec balance/resto as a matter of course |
| 19:08.20 | Semlar | GetPlayerFacing() |
| 19:08.31 | Industrial | I would love to put things on that line, pointing to e.g. quest spots |
| 19:08.56 | Industrial | maybe icons on little 1px vertical sticks :) |
| 19:09.04 | Semlar | i am pretty sure there is an existing addon that does this that you could copy |
| 19:09.45 | foxlit | Semlar: so you couldn't just have the combo generators turn into it << donât click the wrong button, problem solved :) |
| 19:10.05 | Semlar | if i am spamming my combo generator i would be pissed if all my points vanished |
| 19:10.19 | Industrial | This is the vertical stuff. https://github.com/Industrial/idFlightMode/blob/master/addon.lua#L58 |
| 19:10.22 | foxlit | Maybe you shouldnât spam things. |
| 19:10.35 | Semlar | maybe you should dps harder |
| 19:11.12 | Industrial | I guess I can make a similar calculation for a horizontal position based on GetPlayerFacing() and a (x, y) :) |
| 19:11.47 | Industrial | though, I should probably use more descriptive vars -_- I have no idea what I did with this m var lol |
| 19:12.03 | Semlar | magic, presumably |
| 19:12.29 | Neffi | <foxlit> Maybe you shouldnât spam things. <- do you even play a rogue/druid? |
| 19:12.54 | Jamash | Here's the problem: In Cat form and Bear form, Swipe and Mangle have the same base global ID but different effective global IDs, and the action bar API only returns the effective IDs |
| 19:13.36 | Semlar | what about their names |
| 19:13.39 | Jamash | The Spellbook API uses the base ID or the effective ID depending on which function you call |
| 19:13.43 | Jamash | They're the same |
| 19:13.45 | foxlit | Neffi: yes. Any other questions? |
| 19:13.58 | Jamash | I might be going insane |
| 19:14.01 | Neffi | Can't you get the base ID by getting the name of the spell from effective ID, then passing that to one of the APIs that only returns base? |
| 19:14.33 | Neffi | foxlit: do you like turtles? |
| 19:14.42 | foxlit | Neffi: I like trains. |
| 19:14.59 | Neffi | choo choo |
| 19:15.44 | Jamash | Neffi: Uh, hmm. |
| 19:16.07 | Semlar | you're not making a strong argument for why we should have combo generators turn into specific finishers |
| 19:16.46 | Semlar | i think the player should be in control of whether they want to continue casting that spell |
| 19:17.07 | Jamash | Neffi: Yes, but I want to go the other way |
| 19:17.14 | Amarande | yeah, finishers have nearly always been separate from combo builders |
| 19:17.15 | Neffi | Oh. bah |
| 19:17.17 | Jamash | I want a list of the effective IDs from a global ID |
| 19:17.20 | Amarande | this is like, a thing in RPGs in general |
| 19:17.22 | Jamash | or a spellbook ID |
| 19:17.26 | Jamash | or literally anything |
| 19:18.00 | Jamash | I think it might be actually impossible without shipping a mapping table with the addon |
| 19:18.12 | Amarande | finishers were separate for assassins in d2, they're separate for rogues and druids now |
| 19:18.21 | Jamash | which is what I've been trying to avoid, maintenance PitA that it is |
| 19:18.25 | Amarande | (can't remember now if d3 had combos) |
| 19:18.33 | foxlit | basically, I like gw2âs design better. |
| 19:18.40 | foxlit | There are fewer buttons, but they do more interesting things. |
| 19:18.41 | Semlar | no kidding |
| 19:18.42 | Neffi | No way to re-approach your initial problem so it's not dependent on that data? |
| 19:18.57 | Jamash | The question is: Are there any spells I know that are not on my action bars |
| 19:19.11 | Neffi | foxlit: I kind of agree with that. Fewer but more flexible spells seems like such a better approach, and many MMOs are doing it now |
| 19:19.18 | Jamash | You would think there would be a straightforward way to enumerate all the spells you know |
| 19:19.22 | Jamash | You would be wrong. |
| 19:19.27 | Amarande | Neffi: yeah, it would actually reduce my dependence on addons |
| 19:19.37 | Neffi | my cooldown addon does it successfuly Jamash. it iterates the spellbook |
| 19:19.37 | Semlar | Jamash: why can't you go both ways? |
| 19:19.50 | Neffi | but I havent touched that code since like WLK. it still works somehow. don't ask me how |
| 19:19.52 | Amarande | one problem with the default wow ui is it chronically sucks when it comes to more than two or so action bars |
| 19:19.56 | Jamash | Neffi, Semlar: Because Swipe and Mangle are three spells with the same name |
| 19:20.04 | Amarande | (think you can get up to four with the default ui, but I seem to recall #3 and #4 do not get placed well) |
| 19:20.28 | Amarande | I blame the micromenu and the dragons |
| 19:20.35 | Semlar | and where are you getting the base id |
| 19:20.37 | Semlar | the spellbook? |
| 19:20.44 | Neffi | Amarande: I blame the fact that you need so many action buttons |
| 19:20.50 | Neffi | don't kill the messenger |
| 19:20.55 | Amarande | Neffi: well that too |
| 19:20.58 | Semlar | cobra shot in my spellbook has cobra shot's spell ID |
| 19:21.03 | Semlar | not steady shot |
| 19:21.06 | Amarande | but I mean the micromenu and the dragons are a major reason that the default ui sucks at multi-bar |
| 19:21.33 | Amarande | whereas in some other mmos they just stack additional bars right atop the first one |
| 19:21.41 | Amarande | but the default wow ui wouldn't be able to do that because the micromenu's in the way |
| 19:22.07 | Shirik | haha, from SDCC: https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/t1.0-9/10556528_10204239224681004_1358247309771379400_n.jpg |
| 19:22.42 | Jamash | Semlar: How are you determining the spellID? It matters how you ask |
| 19:22.44 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/RUYPjNf.jpg |
| 19:23.06 | Semlar | if my tooltip addon knows you can sure as hell get it |
| 19:23.13 | Jamash | As I said, almost all functions except GetSpellBookItemInfo return the effective ID, GSBII returns the global ID |
| 19:24.07 | foxlit | the problem is basically this: |
| 19:24.16 | Jamash | but without monitoring the eID to see if/when it changes I don't know how to get the eID from a shapeshift form you're not currently in |
| 19:24.23 | foxlit | while in cat form, the bear form swipe is a mystery to you? |
| 19:24.26 | Jamash | yes |
| 19:24.53 | Jamash | I know what you're going to say and it makes me sad, foxlit |
| 19:25.22 | Semlar | Jamash: it's evidently from GameTooltip:SetSpellBookItem(56, 'spell') |
| 19:25.27 | Jamash | well, time to make a LDB plugin then |
| 19:25.44 | Jamash | Semlar: Which uses the eID |
| 19:25.54 | foxlit | thing is, I /donât/ know what Iâm going to say. |
| 19:25.56 | Semlar | but the tooltip knows the real spell id of cobra shot |
| 19:26.06 | Semlar | it's right there |
| 19:26.09 | foxlit | The bear form spell on your action bar should also be transformed to the cat variant? |
| 19:26.25 | Jamash | I thought you were gonna say don't bother with forms the character isn't in at the moment since that action bar isn't visible anyway |
| 19:26.30 | Semlar | cobra shot is 77767, steady shot is 56641 |
| 19:27.24 | Semlar | so as a worst case scenario you can set the tooltip to the spellbook item and get the spell id |
| 19:27.25 | Jamash | It's not a problem for spells that only change when you change spec, it's a problem for stuff like mangle that changes |
| 19:27.33 | Jamash | dynamically according to shapeshift |
| 19:28.33 | Semlar | why do you need to get it out of the spellbook instead of the action that's bound |
| 19:28.37 | Jamash | Semlar: I can get the eID by parsing links, which is stupid but meh |
| 19:28.48 | Jamash | Semlar: I need two lists to compare one list to another list |
| 19:28.59 | Semlar | but why, what is it for |
| 19:29.15 | Jamash | ok, let's say you have mangle on your bear bar but not your cat bar |
| 19:29.25 | Jamash | I want to display cat mangle but not bear mangle |
| 19:29.33 | Jamash | figure that one out |
| 19:30.15 | Jamash | without having to make the player shift their character into all their forms in order to check |
| 19:30.23 | Jamash | I think that's the answer, really |
| 19:31.04 | foxlit | no, thatâs not it. |
| 19:31.10 | Jamash | which is why an LDB plugin makes sense: It can update whenever your character changes forms so you don't have to click a button or type a slash command each time |
| 19:31.17 | foxlit | The mangle on your bear bar is transformed into the cat mangle while youâre in cat form. |
| 19:31.20 | Jamash | nyet |
| 19:31.21 | foxlit | Youâre fine. |
| 19:31.32 | Jamash | both actions use the eID of the respective spec |
| 19:31.50 | Jamash | hmm |
| 19:31.52 | Jamash | let me check something |
| 19:32.22 | foxlit | GetActionInfo(97+4 â[[ mangle slot on bear bar for me]]) changes return values in cat/bear form, 33878 vs 33876 for me |
| 19:33.25 | foxlit | you still have to code around action slot ranges available to specific forms, but the spell transformations probably donât hurt you in this case. |
| 19:33.48 | Semlar | why do you need to know if mangle is bound to the cat bar if you're in bear form |
| 19:34.12 | Semlar | i mean if this is for something like a bar of abilities you have unbound that you can drag from |
| 19:34.13 | Stanzilla | foxlit: do you have a working opie for WoD for me? I'm dying without it :D |
| 19:34.19 | Semlar | you don't care about cat mangle if you're in bear form |
| 19:34.46 | foxlit | Stanzilla: yes; orange works; apply inginuity to run it. |
| 19:34.57 | foxlit | then again, not very fun with green textures in beta. |
| 19:35.14 | foxlit | Semlar: âhey dude, you didnât bind mangle in cat form!â is useful information, even if you arenât in cat form now. |
| 19:35.16 | Stanzilla | looks like I missed that release |
| 19:35.21 | Jamash | Semlar: You do if you're standing in town and you want to know what's not bound |
| 19:35.27 | Jamash | so you can bind it |
| 19:35.27 | Stanzilla | thanks! |
| 19:35.40 | Jamash | *before* you get into combat |
| 19:35.44 | Jamash | at which point it's too late |
| 19:35.44 | foxlit | Stanzilla: there are two .toc files; I suggest you symlink things. |
| 19:36.01 | Stanzilla | I have a tool to just batch change all toc files in the beta folder |
| 19:36.19 | Jamash | However, if the number of spells that have this kind of magic is relatively small I could hardcode those |
| 19:36.37 | Jamash | I was tearing my hair out over spec spells but those don't change as long as you're in the same spec |
| 19:36.44 | Jamash | so it's fine |
| 19:37.16 | Jamash | so far I have hunter traps in trap launcher/non trap launcher mode, swipe and mangle |
| 19:37.26 | foxlit | Stanzilla: it wouldnât work in this case. |
| 19:37.28 | Jamash | and probably a bunch of warlock stuff in the two demon modes |
| 19:37.35 | Jamash | and superior/non superior demons |
| 19:37.36 | Stanzilla | oh? |
| 19:37.36 | Jamash | oy |
| 19:38.12 | foxlit | but try it; then use a symlink. |
| 19:38.22 | Stanzilla | oh I see what you did |
| 19:38.54 | Jamash | ok so what I'm going to do is write a Hack snippet that watches eid changes |
| 19:39.03 | Jamash | and run around doing things |
| 19:39.09 | Jamash | well, stand around |
| 19:40.31 | Semlar | okay, the stuff on your bear bar is a specific action range right |
| 19:40.38 | Semlar | which is separate from your cat range |
| 19:40.41 | Jamash | yes |
| 19:40.54 | Semlar | which means you can figure out what is bound in bear form separately from cat form |
| 19:40.55 | Jamash | if you're going to suggest only scanning the active form I've already discussed that |
| 19:41.11 | Semlar | no not active |
| 19:41.42 | Semlar | i'm saying like actions 1-120 will be the same regardless of what form you're in |
| 19:41.47 | Jamash | Correct |
| 19:41.50 | Semlar | but |
| 19:41.53 | Semlar | you know the range for bear form |
| 19:42.03 | Semlar | so you know what spells are on your bear bar |
| 19:42.17 | Semlar | and you can exclude those when comparing what's bound for cat form |
| 19:42.25 | Semlar | so you know mangle isn't bound in cat form |
| 19:42.38 | Semlar | even though it's bound in bear form |
| 19:42.56 | Jamash | The problem is knowing what spells exist for cat form when not in cat form without a list of hardcoded spells |
| 19:43.13 | Jamash | that behave in this peculiar way |
| 19:43.15 | Semlar | no because it's the same base spell |
| 19:43.20 | Semlar | with the same name |
| 19:43.24 | Jamash | And? |
| 19:43.27 | foxlit | Semlar: how do you know whether that spell is usable in Cat form or not? |
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| 19:43.50 | Jamash | hmm, the spell subname does have that I think |
| 19:43.57 | Jamash | Interesting |
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| 19:45.28 | foxlit | but yes, for morphing spells, the effective ID from the spell book should be equal to the effective ID from your bar, so you should be able to check of âhey, I have mangle on the cat-accessible barsâ even if youâre not in cat form. |
| 19:45.32 | Jamash | nope, it's in the tooltip |
| 19:45.59 | Jamash | foxlit: If you're in bear form, the effective id of mangle is bear mangle, the global id is global mangle, no API returns cat mangle |
| 19:46.07 | Jamash | that I am aware of |
| 19:46.18 | foxlit | Jamash: compare against effective IDs instead. |
| 19:46.21 | Jamash | I can check for presence but not absence, if that makes sense |
| 19:46.31 | Jamash | And I care about absence |
| 19:46.50 | foxlit | that does not make sense. |
| 19:46.56 | Jamash | Sure, I can tell you have cat mangle when you're in bear form, but I can't tell cat mangle even exists when in bear form (via the api) |
| 19:47.21 | foxlit | How do you stop yourself from thinking that you need Maul on your cat form bar? |
| 19:47.22 | Jamash | Sorry, I can tell you have cat mangle on your cat bar while in bear form, but if you don't I can't tell you don't |
| 19:47.56 | Jamash | I don't have a way of magically pulling the cat effective ID out of the global ID while in bear form |
| 19:48.14 | foxlit | you donât need the cat effective ID. |
| 19:48.19 | Jamash | foxlit: I don't. If a spell is on any action bar that's good enough |
| 19:48.44 | Jamash | Which works except for magic spells that secretly change ids in the background |
| 19:48.51 | Jamash | Yes I do |
| 19:49.04 | Jamash | unless, as I keep saying, I want to hardcode the fact that mangle is special |
| 19:49.06 | foxlit | No, thatâs not enough. |
| 19:49.16 | Jamash | Action bars only hold effective ids |
| 19:49.17 | foxlit | âIf a spell is on any action bar that's good enoughâ << this is wrong. |
| 19:49.29 | Jamash | oh ffs |
| 19:50.10 | Simca | just hardcode it. there are 1000 different API problems just like this and hardcoding shit is the solution in every case. it's not that big of a deal when you have to bump the TOC every patch anyway |
| 19:50.17 | foxlit | Youâre saying âIf I have Moonfire on the bear-specific bar, I donât need Moonfire on the Moonkin bar" |
| 19:50.21 | Jamash | I'm not responsible for telling you that every non form specific spell isn't on your form bar, they wouldn't even fit |
| 19:50.36 | Jamash | also you can't cast moonfire in bear form |
| 19:50.41 | Jamash | unless there's a talent for that now |
| 19:51.48 | Jamash | foxlit: One thing at a time, you can submit feature requests once I'm done squashing bugs. |
| 19:52.55 | Jamash | Simca: I hate hardcoding things. But I will. That's what I said I was going to do. |
| 19:53.17 | Simca | you'll get used to it |
| 19:53.24 | Jamash | grumble grumble |
| 19:53.26 | foxlit | Itâs really the same bug: the assumption that if a spell is on any action bar, youâre okay. |
| 19:53.32 | Jamash | nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnoooooooooooooooooo |
| 19:53.52 | foxlit | What youâre really after is whether the spells that you can use in a specific form are on the action bars accessible to that form. |
| 19:53.58 | Jamash | The bug, at present, is that I can't tell cat mangle is missing if you're not in cat form, regardless of what's on any bar |
| 19:54.00 | Simca | about the fifth or sixth time I realized the WoW API couldn't do what I wanted but the DBCs and database sites could was when I got over trying to use the API for anything useful |
| 19:54.42 | Jamash | foxlit: Bartender and such let you customize what bars are visible when to such an extent that trying to determine what bars are visible when is pointless |
| 19:54.58 | Jamash | You could use the bear bar for cat form if you wanted to |
| 19:55.19 | Jamash | That would be stupid, but it's not my job to tell the user what to do |
| 19:55.38 | foxlit | Itâs your job to be useful. |
| 19:55.42 | Simca | Dominos lets you disable the form-changing bar switches entirely and use the bars normally |
| 19:55.55 | foxlit | But obviously you canât be useful around action bar addons. |
| 19:56.07 | foxlit | without coding around each one. |
| 19:56.17 | VIad | I usually make macros for all the spells on my bars (druid), so I can play even without my bartender :) |
| 19:56.26 | Jamash | I added macaroon macro support |
| 19:57.09 | Jamash | but I've never had anyone ever bring up the question of what if a non-transforming spell is on a transforming bar before |
| 19:57.22 | Jamash | I think people are smart enough to deal with that one |
| 19:57.38 | Simca | what on earth does your addon even do |
| 19:57.48 | VIad | magic |
| 19:57.56 | Simca | i've been reading this convo on and off and I still haven't figured it out |
| 19:57.57 | Simca | lol |
| 19:58.01 | Jamash | what it was originally for was helping you put new ranks of spells on your bar when you leveled up |
| 19:58.21 | Jamash | it has obviously morphed somewhat since then, new ranks no longer existing and training no longer being required |
| 19:58.48 | Jamash | now it just pops up a box when you learn a new spell, so you can drag it to your bars |
| 19:59.13 | Jamash | there is also a manual "hey what's not on my bars right now" button, which is what this conversation is about |
| 19:59.34 | Jamash | it's been broken since 5.0 |
| 19:59.47 | VIad | I hate figuring out what is not on my bars :( |
| 19:59.50 | Jamash | due to a year and a half when I couldn't play |
| 19:59.53 | VIad | why isnt there some checkbox by default? |
| 20:00.05 | Jamash | Vlad: when I get it working, try Learning Aid :P |
| 20:00.19 | VIad | imo it should be part of the game :p |
| 20:00.40 | Jamash | ok so the moral of the story is that I should ignore magic stupid transforming spells so I can upload a version that works at all, and later build a small database of them |
| 20:00.59 | Semlar | the only solution i see is looking through the action ranges 73-120, which are all form bars, and saying if you have a spell that isn't bound to EVERY one of those bars, it is technically unbound |
| 20:01.09 | Jamash | now that I know *why* certain spells were breaking I should be able to whip it back into shape |
| 20:01.35 | foxlit | Semlar: you also need to know that the cat-form mangle exists while youâre not in cat form. |
| 20:01.38 | Jamash | Semlar: Currently considered "not my problem", feel free to file an RFE on curseforge |
| 20:01.48 | Semlar | i could bind moonfire to cat form if i want, if it's not on my cat bar, it's not bound |
| 20:01.50 | foxlit | That is what the API is not giving him. |
| 20:01.54 | Jamash | if it's on any bar, it's good enough for me |
| 20:01.57 | VIad | is 120 max Semlar? isn't like 121-130 for extra hidden abilities or? |
| 20:02.02 | Semlar | no |
| 20:02.02 | VIad | 121 is the middle on screen button right? |
| 20:02.07 | Semlar | there are 120 action slots |
| 20:02.23 | Semlar | possibly 132 if you count the possession bar |
| 20:02.51 | Jamash | I have a hidden incomplete implementation of a function to copy and paste action bars |
| 20:05.04 | foxlit | maybe more interesting to some people |
| 20:05.12 | foxlit | âHey addon, I donât know how to cat. Fix my action bar for me!â |
| 20:05.41 | VIad | very important question. why HasAction when I can just check for nil from GetActionInfo? |
| 20:05.44 | Semlar | i do not need to know that cat form mangle exists from bear form, it's in the spellbook with the same base spell id regardless of what form you're in |
| 20:06.04 | foxlit | Semlar: the bear mangle in the spell book is on your bear bar. |
| 20:06.12 | Semlar | nope it's the same spell id regardless |
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| 20:06.30 | foxlit | okay, so the mangle is on your bear bar. |
| 20:06.37 | foxlit | Why do you think it should also be on the cat bar? |
| 20:06.38 | Semlar | spellbook gives you 33917 no matter what form you're in |
| 20:06.40 | Amarande | foxlit: actually, that could be a useful addon, though it would need updating basically every patch, and it's sometimes not 100% unanimous in opinion for some specs at some times |
| 20:06.55 | foxlit | And why shouldnât Maul, which is also on your bear bar, be on the cat bar? |
| 20:07.04 | Amarande | that is, an addon where you push a button and your spec's best rotation is filled in on your primary action bar, in priority order |
| 20:07.31 | Semlar | i don't need to determine whether cat form is capable of using the spell |
| 20:07.52 | Semlar | i can PUT the fucking spell on that bar regardless |
| 20:08.27 | foxlit | along with every other spell you canât use in cat form, Semlar? |
| 20:08.44 | Semlar | which is why i suggested only showing spells for the form you're currently in |
| 20:09.25 | foxlit | and how do you know what those spells are? |
| 20:09.30 | Semlar | because otherwise it's too loosely define what spells you can put on what bars |
| 20:09.30 | Amarande | it's probably theoretically possible for that to be done, but blizz would have to be the ones to do it |
| 20:09.47 | Amarande | and it would be a painful piece of code because every such transformation would probably have to be handled behind the scenes as a spec change, rather than a form change |
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| 20:10.22 | Amarande | (base idea: if the server handled it that way, then you'd have what you wanted, because you would actually *not know* the skills exclusive to other forms while in a given form) |
| 20:10.37 | foxlit | Okay, maybe Iâm slow. Youâre suggesting showing every spell that you canât see on your current-form action bars, regardless of whether you can use it in your current form or not, and have the user decide what they want to do with that heap of stuff. |
| 20:10.38 | Semlar | actually i could determine that moonfire shouldn't be on the cat bar because it uses mana |
| 20:10.41 | Amarande | but that would probably be fearfully complicated and bug-inducing |
| 20:10.56 | Jamash | Mangle has three spell ids, one base, one cat, one mangle |
| 20:11.03 | Jamash | I mean bear |
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| 20:11.05 | Amarande | (they'd have to have a lot of specific case checks, since you should be able to swap form in combat but not a "real" spec) |
| 20:11.49 | foxlit | which I suppose is one set of tradeoffs you could choose: your suggestions would need to be filtered manually, but at least you wouldnât have to write extra code. |
| 20:12.28 | Jamash | Base: 33917, Cat: 33876, Bear: 33878 |
| 20:12.48 | Semlar | see, in my opinion only showing what skills are unbound for your current form is more useful than knowing whether mangle isn't bound in a form i'm not in |
| 20:13.10 | Semlar | at least if this is for a compact spellbook type thing you can drag stuff out of onto your bars |
| 20:13.23 | Semlar | BUT if this is for showing what you don't have bound in other forms |
| 20:13.48 | Semlar | then i would go the other route and showing pretty much everything you can put on the bars that isn't on it |
| 20:14.08 | Jamash | Semlar: you want to know if cat-only spells aren't on your bear bar, but not whether cat mangle isn't on your cat bar? |
| 20:14.33 | Jamash | because that's what you said, which is probably not what you meant |
| 20:14.42 | Semlar | wha |
| 20:15.44 | Jamash | if in bear form, I look through the spellbook and find unbound spells, ignoring the bars for forms I'm not in, I will find all the cat-only spells because the cat bar isn't visible |
| 20:16.36 | Semlar | which are you trying to do, the first or second thing i mentioned |
| 20:16.50 | Jamash | I don't have or know of any way to tell what shapeshift form a spell is for |
| 20:16.59 | Jamash | without parsing tooltips |
| 20:17.08 | Jamash | I'm trying to show what skills are unbound, period |
| 20:17.45 | Jamash | My problem is that Blizzard has "helpfully" neutered their API because they aren't interested in separation of presentation and content |
| 20:17.51 | Semlar | if you're in cat form and the api doesn't tell you that lacerate is a bear form ability only then i would just pull it out of the tooltip |
| 20:18.03 | Jamash | I'm not parsing tooltips under any circumstances |
| 20:18.07 | Semlar | why not |
| 20:18.11 | Jamash | because I don't want to |
| 20:18.17 | Semlar | it would literally just be matching whether that line of text is red |
| 20:18.45 | Simca | easier than that, there's localization next for requiring a form or stance |
| 20:18.48 | Simca | text* |
| 20:18.55 | Simca | there's probably a variable for it |
| 20:19.13 | Jamash | no it's not |
| 20:19.28 | Jamash | you'd have to parse the cat form and bear form text |
| 20:19.35 | Semlar | no i don't |
| 20:19.42 | Semlar | if i'm in cat form that line is red if i can't use it |
| 20:19.42 | Jamash | mangle is both |
| 20:19.52 | Semlar | mangle only shows both if you're in caster form |
| 20:19.56 | Jamash | Yes, and? |
| 20:20.25 | Semlar | again, i'm saying IF this is for an addon that only shows what's not bound for your CURRENT form |
| 20:20.32 | Jamash | yeah, which this isn't |
| 20:20.55 | Shirik | oh this should be interesting "Bose is suing Beats over patents related to their noise-cancelling headphones. The law suit is expected to impact Apple as well, which officially purchased Beats for $3 billion in May." |
| 20:21.06 | Jamash | patent law is dumb |
| 20:21.41 | Simca | apple are pretty big abusers of patent law though, so they deserve whatever they get |
| 20:21.48 | Shirik | no, software patent law is dumb |
| 20:21.48 | Amarande | well, beats is guilty of certain things in many folks' eyes, too |
| 20:21.59 | Amarande | although I'm pretty sure making shitty headphones isn't actually a crime, heh |
| 20:22.24 | Shirik | Amarande: it might have caused mental anguish of some people |
| 20:22.27 | Amarande | not unless they like, zot people electrically through the ear or something, heh |
| 20:22.49 | Amarande | Shirik: EA would be out of business by now if that was an actionable offence |
| 20:22.52 | Jamash | Shirik: Regular patent law is pretty dumb, software patent law is even dumber |
| 20:22.53 | VIad | why doesn't GetSpellInfo return spellID ?:p |
| 20:22.55 | Amarande | possibly as early as the release of Ultima IX :P |
| 20:23.07 | Amarande | and let's not even get into Ubisoft :) |
| 20:23.09 | Shirik | without patents nobody would do any R&D |
| 20:23.23 | Amarande | ouch ... what did foxlit do to get banned *blink* |
| 20:24.00 | Jamash | Vlad: The answer to every "why doesn't the API do X" question is "Because Blizzard didn't need it to code the base UI" |
| 20:24.18 | Amarande | Shirik: that's the usual argument made by the pro-stringent-IP-law side |
| 20:24.21 | Semlar | that's not always true, blizzard has added a ton of api functions that they don't use |
| 20:24.25 | Amarande | it doesn't really hold much water though |
| 20:24.39 | Amarande | some people just have enough drive to create that they're going to create whether or not there's financial incentive to do so |
| 20:24.41 | Jamash | Semlar: That's the answer to a different question |
| 20:25.15 | Shirik | Amarande: unfortunately the people that control the money are rarely the people with the drive to create |
| 20:25.25 | Amarande | (at least in some fields ... I suppose there are some, like pharmaceuticals, where you basically must have commercial incentive, but that tends to have more to do with abnormally high overhead costs compared to other fields, for the most part) |
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| 20:25.26 | Jamash | Blizzard does code things they don't need, but the design is centered on their needs |
| 20:25.29 | Shirik | in fact, the people with "drive to create" tend to be the ones that are underpaid in comparison to the amount of work they do for a company |
| 20:26.00 | Amarande | Shirik: I'm saying that without strong IP rights, there might not be much R&D from the megacorporate aspect of things, but there'd always be the independent creative mind |
| 20:26.26 | Amarande | which often comes up with a lot of the creations that we end up really appreciating, too |
| 20:26.26 | Shirik | sure but creativity alone does not create things |
| 20:26.31 | Shirik | it only creates ideas |
| 20:26.38 | Amarande | like, who remembers EA's game lineup from, say, 2010? anyone? :) |
| 20:26.47 | Shirik | isn't it the same as 2009? |
| 20:26.48 | Shirik | and 2008? |
| 20:26.50 | Amarande | otoh, who can ever forget things like Minecraft or Tetris? |
| 20:26.50 | Shirik | and 2007? |
| 20:28.00 | Jamash | Work-for-hire makes copyright and patent primarily valuable to companies, not individuals. There are exceptions, of course. |
| 20:29.11 | Jamash | sorry, WFH only applies to copyright |
| 20:33.32 | Jamash | patent assignment is handled in employment contracts |
| 20:35.49 | Jamash | Regardless, unless one has the resources and clout to negotiate one's own contract, valuable works of authorship and invention usually end up belonging to employers, publishers, institutions, etc. and not individuals |
| 20:37.59 | Jamash | and thus we get defensive patents, patent thickets, patent trolls, ubiquitous cross-licensing, and billion dollar patent suits |
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| 20:52.00 | Ressy | so.. What changed with "SetTrainerServiceTypeFilter" |
| 20:53.14 | Amarande | yeah, I'm not sure why anyone other than MegaCo thinks it's a good idea for most works to be owned by a MegaCo |
| 20:53.35 | Amarande | although I suppose there's the devil's advocate argument that if individuals owned more IP, it would make the licencing quagmire even more impossible to navigate |
| 20:54.00 | Amarande | since you might have to track down someone's dusty old Tracfone number with two minutes left on it to ask for a licence, LOL |
| 20:55.18 | Jamash | Amarande: I'm in favor of bringing rights back to individuals and sharply curtailing duration |
| 20:55.58 | Jamash | to, say, 20 years for unregistered copyrights and 40 for registered |
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| 20:59.21 | Amarande | also, actually having exclusive rights seems to be more of a thing valued by corporations, heh |
| 20:59.39 | Amarande | again, among individuals, creator's gonna create, but corporations will literally not do anything unless they feel it makes them money |
| 20:59.52 | Amarande | (was going to say "unless it makes them money", but given that most businesses don't in the long run, that would be wrong heh) |
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| 21:44.57 | foxlit | gibson, noooooo. |
| 21:45.22 | Amarande | ? |
| 21:47.27 | foxlit | former Oslo freenode server. |
| 21:48.26 | p3lim | they actually declared it dead? |
| 21:49.12 | foxlit | itâs no longer listed, and is actively refusing connections. |
| 21:49.18 | Fisker | Was it a terrorist attack foxlit . |
| 21:49.19 | Fisker | ? |
| 21:49.43 | Neffi | foxlit killed it |
| 21:50.00 | foxlit | Neffi: watch where you point that. |
| 21:50.07 | Neffi | o.o |
| 21:50.59 | Fisker | What did he point at you foxlit |
| 21:51.01 | Fisker | ? |
| 21:51.05 | Fisker | Damnit my fingers |
| 21:52.18 | VIad | btw, wolfenstein the new order is awesome - recommended to any FPS person :) |
| 21:52.47 | VIad | /FPS/SP FPS/s |
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| 21:55.55 | jnwhiteh | hrm, does anyone have a spare HoTS invite? |
| 21:56.47 | Fisker | Don't think they come in key form :( |
| 22:10.13 | Simca | they don't |
| 22:13.34 | Amarande | foxlit: well, at least freenode still has a healthy server count |
| 22:13.50 | Amarande | unlike, say, undernet, which is down to like 5 servers that are actually listed |
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| 22:14.06 | Amarande | (the bit when you log on there claims there's 37 servers on undernet, but I don't know what it's smoking) |
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| 22:37.55 | Neffi | Does Animation:GetElapsed() return a useful value in the OnFinished handler? |
| 23:14.12 | foxlit | grumble, canât WrapScript from within the RE. |
| 23:15.47 | foxlit | (and GetChildList doesnât create a table for you if you donât pass it one. boo!) |
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| 23:18.23 | kd3 | hey Simca, do you know where they stopped scanning for quests at in 18594? (have they updated for 18594?) there's a few quests that aren't up on the database yet that I've come across, starting with #36624 |
| 23:18.59 | Simca | oh i forgot to do that |
| 23:19.28 | Simca | it's chaud's fault he didn't remind me |
| 23:19.59 | Alram | thats still your fault Simca |
| 23:20.06 | Alram | for counting on chaud to remind you of something |
| 23:20.59 | Simca | haha this is new |
| 23:21.04 | Simca | http://i.imgur.com/u5C1cUn.png |
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| 23:22.04 | Neffi | Simca: subtle racism. It's saying you're incompatible with the world |
| 23:23.16 | Alram | just restart client |
| 23:23.21 | Alram | had that too |
| 23:23.38 | Simca | i forgot to DL 18614 |
| 23:23.54 | Simca | and dear god does it take YEARS to initialize CASC downloading through the app |
| 23:24.03 | Alram | yes |
| 23:24.07 | Simca | 17 MB download takes 5 minutes because it needs 4 minutes to initialize |
| 23:24.08 | Alram | i did see something about in-game patching |
| 23:24.19 | Alram | maybe that'll end up being something less awful |
| 23:24.21 | Alram | but doubtful |
| 23:24.31 | Simca | streaming implementation for CASC in WoW is great |
| 23:24.36 | Simca | it's only the app that is shit |
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| 23:34.10 | Ressy | I get CASC errors.. :\ |
| 23:34.31 | Simca | blame the app |
| 23:34.47 | kd3 | I got errors if wow couldn't open the data files for write access (when the beta installed itself to program files and while not running it as an admin) |
| 23:34.48 | Ressy | I've had to completely reinstal a few times now. |
| 23:35.10 | Simca | chaud's on like his 8th install |
| 23:35.16 | kd3 | moving it to \users\public\games tended to work fine |
| 23:35.25 | kd3 | I'm lucky here, install #1 |
| 23:35.28 | Ressy | I have mine installed to C:\Games\ |
| 23:35.31 | Alram | im on my third |
| 23:35.39 | Alram | but one of those was my fault |
| 23:39.00 | Simca | kd3: what's the ID of the first WoD creature? |
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| 23:46.13 | kd3 | dunno about creatures, that last question was about quests specifically. an npc that isn't showing up is #86069 Lieutenant Howell |
| 23:47.14 | kd3 | I've seen wod npcids in the low 70000s, but those are in the database already |
| 23:54.44 | Simca | k i've passed the files along to a dev; should be live tonight probably |
| 23:55.06 | kd3 | kk, thanks |
| 23:58.41 | Amarande | I almost read that as Lieutenant Haswell |
| 23:58.46 | Amarande | I've been messing with hardware too long I think |
| 23:59.27 | Amarande | hmm, wonder if a character named Haswell would be better a gnome or a goblin |
| 23:59.34 | Amarande | which type of engineering does intel tend to be more like, LOL |
