| 00:01.10 | Henk_ | well this doesn't look right at all http://a.pomf.se/cwevqj.jpg |
| 00:01.41 | Semlar | alright you just need one of those rubber strap wrenches like this http://amazon.com/Rubber-Strap-Wrench-6-in/dp/B0002H338C |
| 00:01.56 | Henk_ | get two |
| 00:03.36 | Semlar | you didn't calculate your x and y correctly |
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| 00:03.46 | Simca | looks great Henk_: it's like the addon just stopped towards the left end was like "wow, fuck mage spells" |
| 00:04.13 | Henk_ | haha yeah |
| 00:05.22 | Semlar | as far as i can tell you don't actually do any figuring for what column / row the icon should be on |
| 00:05.41 | Arrowmaster | Semlar: ill take two |
| 00:06.15 | Arrowmaster | if i could get this damn tub open id be able to try out my new kit http://www.maggardrazors.com/product/ejtobssimpsons-double-edge-razor-kit-2/ |
| 00:06.23 | Henk_ | Semlar the problem was I had math.floor(wrap / s) instead of s / wrap |
| 00:06.43 | Henk_ | not done but better http://a.pomf.se/pibkaa.jpg |
| 00:21.13 | g0urra | http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/4182-Get-to-Your-Choppa!-Claiming-Your-Mount-Get-to-Your-Choppa!-Claiming-Your-Mount |
| 00:21.50 | VIad | horde only? |
| 00:22.15 | g0urra | yep |
| 00:22.38 | VIad | :( |
| 00:22.47 | VIad | I voted for it because it was cooler |
| 00:23.00 | VIad | I didnt know it was a faction war to who gets a mount :P |
| 00:23.06 | Henk_ | same, I did not like the Alliance Snow Scooter |
| 00:23.07 | VIad | I dont think anyone knew |
| 00:23.25 | VIad | if I have a choice to get a free mount or not then I'd vote alliance, ugly or not I play alliance :P |
| 00:23.43 | VIad | if it's just to pick what is cooler I ofc vote hordies |
| 00:24.06 | Simca | i voted alliance because the alliance one was cooler |
| 00:24.40 | VIad | logged on but unsure if it is registered or not :p |
| 00:25.27 | Semlar | everyone gets the mount, alliance just can't ride it |
| 00:25.57 | Henk_ | I like mounts I can use |
| 00:27.21 | Semlar | nobody is going to use it because everyone is going to have it |
| 00:27.43 | Semlar | so i wouldn't feel too bad about it |
| 00:28.57 | VIad | :D |
| 00:29.02 | VIad | hey Semlar |
| 00:29.26 | Semlar | viad |
| 00:30.22 | VIad | is WOD up again? ;D |
| 00:30.26 | VIad | I have no concept of US time |
| 00:30.41 | kd3|hate`net | it's 17:30 blizzard time |
| 00:30.49 | kd3|hate`net | I wouldn't expect it up until after 20:00 |
| 00:34.02 | VIad | Semlar: to edit metatable couldn't I just getmetatable(t).__index and such? |
| 00:34.09 | VIad | or do I have to setmetatable? |
| 00:34.29 | Semlar | um to access it you would do the first one |
| 00:34.37 | Semlar | to replace it you would use setmetatable |
| 00:35.04 | VIad | oki doki |
| 00:35.18 | VIad | so getmetatable actually copies it |
| 00:35.22 | foxlit | ever feel like youâve just handed a todler matches, Semlar? |
| 00:35.26 | Semlar | no it gives you a reference to the metatable |
| 00:35.34 | Semlar | if you just want to edit the existing table |
| 00:35.36 | VIad | yeah so I can just edit it there and then |
| 00:35.36 | VIad | yues |
| 00:35.38 | VIad | :) |
| 00:35.59 | VIad | overriding __index and __newindex to handle queries done to missing elements and assignment of elements |
| 00:36.48 | Semlar | __newindex handles the creation of keys |
| 00:37.06 | VIad | yeah |
| 00:37.20 | VIad | __newindex has a key and value |
| 00:37.24 | Semlar | so if you don't want anyone to be able to create new elements you would add basically a blank function |
| 00:37.30 | VIad | I check what the value is, making sure it's a table |
| 00:37.55 | Semlar | what are you trying to do? |
| 00:38.00 | Henk_ | yay I finally have flyout support http://a.pomf.se/egofrp.png |
| 00:38.09 | Semlar | woohoo |
| 00:38.16 | VIad | just making sure it can't assign anything but tables to the table container :P |
| 00:38.23 | VIad | t={} so t only contains tables |
| 00:38.41 | Semlar | okay |
| 00:38.41 | foxlit | t.a={}; t.a=5; where is your god now? |
| 00:38.57 | Semlar | well there's the second thing you need to do |
| 00:39.19 | Semlar | which is handle reassignment of existing keys |
| 00:39.24 | foxlit | congratulations, youâre about to break pairs(). |
| 00:40.53 | VIad | Semlar: I only see __newindex in the document |
| 00:41.24 | Stanzilla | beta patch out |
| 00:44.34 | kd3 | reallocates bandwidth from his torrents... |
| 00:50.18 | Gnarfoz | kd3: you have enough bandwidth to do reallocations?! :D |
| 00:50.28 | Gnarfoz | I'd have thought it's all or nothing ;) |
| 00:50.34 | kd3 | it's mainly going 'no bandwidth for you' to the torrents |
| 00:51.02 | kd3 | a reallocation from 80-85% to 0 is still a reallocation... |
| 00:51.11 | Gnarfoz | hehe |
| 00:54.06 | Simca | Gnarfoz: take control of your connection by artifically throttling it ofc |
| 00:54.29 | kd3 | oooh, that's not good. the irvine power plant is on fire |
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| 00:54.44 | kd3 | https://twitter.com/Rischerion/status/492472632457957376 |
| 00:55.09 | Gnarfoz | Simca: you missed the point ;p |
| 00:56.52 | Ressy | oh my. |
| 01:00.39 | Esamynn|work | <foxlit> ever feel like youâve just handed a todler matches, Semlar? <-- sure felt that way to me :P |
| 01:02.37 | Esamynn|work | kd3: why? WHY did you set the that particular power plant on fire? |
| 01:03.53 | Semlar | VIad: you need a second table to actually store the values |
| 01:04.07 | Semlar | and like foxlit said that is going to break pairs |
| 01:04.11 | VIad | I am just playing atm :) |
| 01:04.30 | VIad | pairs actually write to the table when iterating? |
| 01:05.59 | Semlar | read this http://lua-users.org/wiki/ReadOnlyTables |
| 01:06.38 | foxlit | Export partially works in the new build; it writes files to disk, but creates no directory structure |
| 01:06.58 | Semlar | psh what are the odds two files have the same name |
| 01:12.19 | VIad | danke |
| 01:13.38 | VIad | foxlit: was the patch applied to US already? |
| 01:14.08 | Ressy | Just finished downloading |
| 01:14.14 | VIad | neat - havent gotten it yet |
| 01:15.06 | VIad | Semlar: I had some loading issues, but, the memory the LibDBC uses is 450MB :D |
| 01:15.19 | Semlar | :| |
| 01:15.41 | VIad | that's how it is when lua is plaintext ;p |
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| 01:18.46 | VIad | how can I force it to update? |
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| 01:26.47 | kd3 | alright, I'm in the marked for a new (wired) mouse. anyone have preferences |
| 01:27.04 | kd3 | s/marked/market/ |
| 01:27.11 | g0urra | razer naga 2014 |
| 01:27.12 | kd3 | hey, purl's back! |
| 01:27.14 | VIad | I got logitech G700 |
| 01:27.15 | kd3 | ~botsnack |
| 01:27.15 | purl | thanks, kd3 |
| 01:27.18 | VIad | works just fine :) |
| 01:29.26 | TC-Work | kd3: Any features in specifc you would like? |
| 01:30.21 | kd3 | all I really need is forward/back buttons on the side. not really a mmo mouse with 83 buttons though |
| 01:30.40 | VIad | was that a comment to me kd3? |
| 01:30.41 | kd3 | I'm upgrading from a mx revolution from '06? '07? |
| 01:30.56 | VIad | if it is, the mouse only has the mouse4 and 5 on the side |
| 01:31.01 | VIad | the other buttons I've disabled :P |
| 01:31.11 | VIad | they require their driver anyway, but I dont use it |
| 01:31.30 | VIad | by default there is a sensitivity up/down toggle and a profile toggle that work without drivers, I just keep it as is |
| 01:31.44 | VIad | fun feature is the scroll has a on/off mode to endless scroll :D |
| 01:32.01 | VIad | in any case by now G700 is probably cheap |
| 01:32.15 | VIad | latest gaming mice from logitech are even more advanced feature wise |
| 01:33.41 | Arrowmaster | my mx anywhere for my laptop has that but i really hate how you have to click the wheel to toggle it and mouse3 is on a separate button |
| 01:34.04 | VIad | mine has a separate button for that |
| 01:34.08 | VIad | wheel is still mouse3 |
| 01:34.24 | VIad | further back there is a toggle button for profile and the wheel |
| 01:37.10 | TC-Work | Due to 'experiances' I now stay away from Logitch and Razer. Currently using a roccat. |
| 01:37.21 | TC-Work | experiences* |
| 01:37.35 | VIad | I did buy a roccat mechanical keyboard myself |
| 01:37.43 | VIad | my old keyboard was 14 years old |
| 01:37.44 | VIad | :P |
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| 01:37.53 | TC-Work | I went for a Ducky Shine. |
| 01:37.58 | TC-Work | I don't want extra stuff. |
| 01:38.23 | g0urra | kd3: I remember using my MX1000 for many years |
| 01:39.12 | VIad | I laugh at your MX 1000 |
| 01:39.16 | VIad | I had what is was called before MC |
| 01:39.23 | VIad | MX* - it was called "coordless desktop" :D |
| 01:39.25 | Arrowmaster | i still have an mx518 |
| 01:39.31 | VIad | bought it back in 2000 |
| 01:39.39 | VIad | used it until just recently, both mouse and board |
| 01:39.43 | VIad | damn durable shit |
| 01:39.54 | VIad | considering how much these are used |
| 01:41.26 | VIad | at some point I think logitech lost it though |
| 01:41.30 | VIad | I am not too fond of their latest products |
| 01:41.47 | VIad | lots of new companies on the market that deliver quite good gamer equipment |
| 01:43.48 | g0urra | I used MX1000 + G15 |
| 01:43.58 | VIad | G15 is newer than G700 |
| 01:44.02 | VIad | btw wtf goes with the naming? |
| 01:44.45 | VIad | keyboards are called G15 and G35 and my mice, old mice, is G700 - I mean it's confusing :P |
| 01:44.56 | VIad | at least do something like GM and GK for mice and keyboard |
| 01:45.20 | VIad | I dont read the logitech product roster to keep myself updated so I rely that they keep some naming scheme that is logical :p |
| 01:45.30 | VIad | mx1000 was also a old bluetooth set I believe |
| 01:48.57 | g0urra | wut. no it wasn't |
| 01:49.03 | g0urra | wireless laser mouse |
| 01:50.37 | VIad | lazer |
| 01:51.47 | Mr_Rabies | i use the performance MX now |
| 01:51.49 | Mr_Rabies | i love it |
| 01:51.50 | Mr_Rabies | so much |
| 01:51.55 | Mr_Rabies | mouse |
| 01:52.00 | VIad | :D |
| 01:52.06 | Mr_Rabies | my keyboard is a logitech one that cost like $12 |
| 01:52.07 | Mr_Rabies | and is awesome |
| 01:52.32 | Mr_Rabies | take out like, 10 screws, which i could probably leave out over half and be okay |
| 01:52.38 | Mr_Rabies | and i can clean it easily |
| 01:52.55 | Mr_Rabies | dunk the whole top which houses the keys in the sink |
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| 01:53.14 | Mr_Rabies | electronics are attached to the bottom by like 2 screws, can take those out too and dunk the bottom |
| 01:53.36 | Mr_Rabies | and it's designed to filter any spills through the keyboard, avoiding the electronics |
| 01:53.37 | VIad | I love a sturdy bottom pad for my hands |
| 01:53.59 | VIad | my roccat has it built into the frame :D super durable |
| 01:54.06 | Mr_Rabies | the only issue is the key limit |
| 01:54.12 | VIad | key limit? |
| 01:54.17 | Mr_Rabies | it's like, 4-5 keys per path |
| 01:54.21 | Mr_Rabies | so like |
| 01:54.35 | VIad | ugh |
| 01:54.41 | VIad | that's horrible! |
| 01:54.46 | Mr_Rabies | sometimes you run into problems when doing crazy circlestrafing |
| 01:54.50 | VIad | I can hold down all the keys at once |
| 01:54.52 | Mr_Rabies | nah, it's really not bad 99% of the time |
| 01:54.54 | VIad | no issues :P |
| 01:55.02 | VIad | it's just good no to have the limitation |
| 01:55.18 | Mr_Rabies | yeah but that's expensive |
| 01:56.40 | Esamynn|work | kd3|hate`net: I'm partial to Logitech mice, I really like my G5, but that specific model has been discontinued :( |
| 01:56.53 | VIad | http://www.roccat.org/Products/Gaming-Keyboards/ROCCAT-Ryos-MK-Pro/ isn't expensive |
| 01:57.16 | TC-Work | But it is ugly |
| 01:57.30 | VIad | this isn't a fashion show |
| 01:57.34 | VIad | performance is all that matters |
| 01:58.12 | VIad | there are many alternatives :P |
| 01:59.09 | TC-Work | For one thing, the wrist bit doesn't look detachable. |
| 01:59.16 | VIad | it isn't |
| 01:59.18 | VIad | thats why I bought it :D |
| 01:59.39 | VIad | my old one was detachable, after 10 years of use tids and bits became more and more loose |
| 01:59.48 | VIad | started to shake about, annoying :( |
| 02:03.38 | TC-Work | That keybaord is not worth $170 imo |
| 02:04.05 | VIad | in norway like, 80% gamer keyboards are in that range |
| 02:04.09 | VIad | 140-170 |
| 02:04.13 | VIad | not huge difference for me :P |
| 02:04.19 | VIad | I was ready to pay the money |
| 02:04.22 | kd3|hate`net | well, guess I can reallocate bandwidth away from the bnet launcher... http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/13568067081?page=16#314 |
| 02:05.05 | Esamynn|work | d'oh |
| 02:05.14 | TC-Work | Why did I just leave. |
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| 02:43.05 | pompy | seriously? lol http://www.twitlonger.com/ |
| 02:44.09 | VIad | ehm |
| 02:44.32 | VIad | "TwitLonger automatically gets the first 100 or so characters and uses these to create a tweet with a link to the actual TwitLonger post." |
| 02:44.36 | VIad | traffic hijacking? |
| 02:45.28 | kd3 | no? they post using twitlonger and the first 100 or so characters get sent as an actual tweet with a link to the rest of the post |
| 02:45.33 | kd3 | tl has been around for a long time |
| 02:45.40 | VIad | wait |
| 02:45.46 | VIad | ah |
| 02:45.49 | smcn | wait wait don't tell me |
| 02:45.56 | VIad | so your twitter only posts a short version |
| 02:46.16 | VIad | but then TL got all your texts! :o |
| 02:48.13 | VIad | you can achieve this in a safer way by making a wordpress or similar for homepage to where people get sent |
| 02:48.19 | VIad | safe in the sense your data is on your host :) |
| 02:48.53 | VIad | but of course it's more difficult |
| 02:49.49 | kd3 | it's just an app using the twitter api like all kinds of other clients. Most tweets on @Wowpedia go through HootSuite, for instance, rather than twitter's website |
| 02:50.07 | VIad | aye |
| 02:50.20 | VIad | but still the longer tweets are stored on a remote server |
| 02:50.25 | VIad | unaffiliated with twitter |
| 02:50.31 | VIad | i.e. privacy rules don't apply :p |
| 02:50.32 | kd3 | yup |
| 02:50.41 | kd3 | privacy? on twitter? |
| 02:50.53 | VIad | well they should have some privacy statement they follow |
| 02:51.01 | VIad | though privacy and internet, I am highly sceptical :P |
| 02:52.28 | VIad | oh oh oh |
| 02:52.35 | VIad | facebook and google+ got an opportunity here :D |
| 02:52.45 | VIad | to increase their own popularity: add an app for twitter ;D |
| 02:53.02 | VIad | so you can post on g+ and/or fb and have short versions posted on your twitter as well :D |
| 02:53.34 | VIad | why let twitterlonger steal the spotlight? ;) |
| 02:53.53 | kd3 | likely because they were the first and inertia is hard |
| 02:55.20 | smcn | inertia, while a noun, is not a physical object and thus can't be described as "hard" kthx |
| 02:55.34 | VIad | my inertia is so hard atm |
| 02:55.43 | smcn | me too tbh |
| 02:59.52 | VIad | http://beta.wowhead.com/spell=172419 |
| 02:59.54 | VIad | LOL |
| 02:59.56 | VIad | vanilla |
| 02:59.58 | VIad | :D |
| 03:05.54 | Gragagrogog | wtf :D |
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| 03:54.50 | Amarande | heh, what's fun is when you use multiple definitions of the same word as a comparison of degree |
| 03:54.56 | Amarande | such as saying that a game is hard enough to make diamonds seem soft |
| 03:55.18 | Amarande | hrm, come to think of it. I'm not sure if there's a linguistic term for that or not ... it's kind of like a pun, but I'm not sure it really qualifies as that |
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| 04:19.26 | Dagmar | Amarande: "This game is abusively Japanese" |
| 04:19.33 | Dagmar | ;) |
| 04:21.09 | Amarande | Dagmar: Western RPGs get pretty mean too, especially back in the olden days |
| 04:21.29 | Amarande | the Wizardry and Bard's Tale series were particularly known for being tough as nails ... Ultima II, too |
| 04:21.48 | Amarande | It seemed to taper off somewhat when official AD&D games started coming out, although the final battles of Pools of Darkness are still pretty damned mean |
| 04:22.04 | Amarande | (and that's to say nothing of Dave's Torture Trial ... er I mean Challenge) |
| 04:24.05 | Dagmar | At no point did they have a "boss randomly ends you" ability |
| 04:25.04 | Amarande | Dagmar: One word. |
| 04:25.06 | Amarande | Beholders. |
| 04:25.16 | Dagmar | lol |
| 04:25.18 | Dagmar | noob |
| 04:25.19 | Amarande | If the buggers got a turn and you hadn't used the dance of disability exploit on them? |
| 04:25.34 | Amarande | It was literally make three saving throws in a row or die, and even if you did, you still took 3-17 damage |
| 04:26.03 | Amarande | Mind you, this is why you use the dance of disability exploit when you fight Gold Box beholders, heh |
| 04:26.10 | Amarande | (It works pretty nicely on dragons, too.) |
| 04:26.12 | Dagmar | You ran, and found a priest. |
| 04:26.41 | Dagmar | ...or a mage |
| 04:26.43 | Amarande | Nifty little trick. Worked in all of the games, I get the sneaking feeling SSI kind of expected you to use it, given how hard the last few games were |
| 04:26.57 | Dagmar | They had a _brutal_ set of abilities, but they were not invulnerable |
| 04:27.16 | Amarande | In the Gold Box games, they were absolutely magic proof, since they couldn't implement a directional ray |
| 04:27.46 | Amarande | If you used haste, or if you got lucky enough on initiative, you might be able to take one out before it got a turn |
| 04:27.52 | Amarande | If you were lucky and had high end weapons |
| 04:28.19 | Amarande | And later on you started facing them in *groups*. |
| 04:28.47 | Dagmar | ...and by then you were expected to have the thing necessary to kill them. |
| 04:28.51 | Dagmar | ...or the sense to avoid them. |
| 04:28.59 | Amarande | heh, if only |
| 04:29.17 | Amarande | P2 of the final battle in Pools of Darkness consisted of about ten beholders, coming at you from every which way |
| 04:29.19 | Dagmar | Western games don't make combat scenarios where the things are guaranteed to kill you no matter what |
| 04:29.26 | Dagmar | ...because basically, someone would kick a GM in the nuts. |
| 04:29.50 | Amarande | Nah, they just make combat scenarios where well-bit nails and hair loss are common consequences :) |
| 04:31.00 | Amarande | Keep in mind that EACH beholder that got a turn in such a fight means its target has only an 85% chance of getting through in one piece |
| 04:31.33 | Dagmar | I'm going to find a goddamn patch for The Walking Dead before episode 5. |
| 04:31.37 | Amarande | For ten beholders, assuming you don't disability dance them or take one or more out, that means about a 78% chance of losing at least one character in the first round. |
| 04:31.46 | Dagmar | Something to disable the goddamn endgame credits. |
| 04:32.05 | Amarande | Dark Queen of Krynn was lighter on the beholders, but instead it had the Dark Wizards |
| 04:32.26 | Amarande | which I swear were the forerunner of the mages you saw all the time later on in BG2 |
| 04:32.49 | Amarande | Dark Wizards had basically every protective buff spell precast, and they would cast Delayed Blast Fireball at the first chance |
| 04:33.08 | Amarande | That wasn't a guaranteed kill either, but if you weren't forewarned and protected, it may as well have been |
| 04:33.24 | Amarande | first, if you failed your save, you were looking at about 100 damage (keep in mind we're talking AD&D first edition hit point totals here) |
| 04:33.50 | Amarande | second, that meant you couldn't cast any spells in the round on anyone who was hit (which was often everyone), and keep in mind that those buffs included Mirror Image, so your chance of not eating another DBF was slim to none |
| 04:34.06 | Amarande | One you might survive, two pretty much killed you no matter what without resist buffs |
| 04:35.39 | Amarande | The big thing was that Gold Box didn't enforce any of the pen and paper caps on damage dice for mage spells |
| 04:36.03 | Amarande | So if a 23rd level mage (which I think was about what Dark Wizards were) cast a fireball type spell, yup, that was 23 dice |
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| 07:48.33 | mitch0 | amro: wasn't it maxed at 20? |
| 07:48.39 | mitch0 | s/amro/amarande/ |
| 07:49.03 | mitch0 | ah, just read some backlog, nevermind |
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| 08:00.38 | Workfoz | Happy Sysadmin Day! |
| 08:01.33 | Shirik | no u |
| 08:07.56 | Workfoz | quite! |
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| 08:15.11 | bluspacecow | http://www.tickld.com/x/32-things-british-people-have-to-deal-with-in-2014 |
| 08:16.01 | Semlar | tries to calm bluspacecow down |
| 08:16.58 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:18.05 | karl_w_w | the mildly puzzled looks on their faces really makes it |
| 08:18.23 | Semlar | WHERE IS EUROPE |
| 08:24.20 | Semlar | i never was any good with geography |
| 08:24.30 | Neffi | Europe is a lie made up by the liberals |
| 08:24.56 | Semlar | neffi why did you set fire to the power plant in irvine |
| 08:25.27 | Neffi | it wasn't me and I have an alibi! |
| 08:25.46 | Semlar | i don't want to hear any excuses! |
| 08:26.02 | Semlar | fix the beta! |
| 08:26.22 | Neffi | ok |
| 08:26.53 | Neffi | but first it's time to sleep. so tired |
| 08:27.15 | Semlar | no sleep only warcraft |
| 08:28.21 | Neffi | meh. maybe i'll resub over the weekend so I can harass you |
| 08:28.51 | Semlar | but you can harass me here |
| 08:29.16 | Neffi | but people get mad at us for that. anyway, sleep tiems |
| 08:30.28 | Semlar | they're just jelly |
| 08:31.41 | karl_w_w | Semlar, have you been hijacking planes? |
| 08:31.48 | Semlar | not recently |
| 08:32.09 | karl_w_w | Welcome to an FBI watchlist |
| 08:33.59 | Semlar | oh i'm on plenty of lists |
| 08:35.12 | Semlar | people want me |
| 08:35.32 | Semlar | but they can't have none of this |
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| 08:38.07 | karl_w_w | http://www.watoday.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/costly-cruel-futile-the-price-of-scott-morrison-holding-157-asylum-seekers-on-floating-prison-20140725-3ckr2.html |
| 08:39.06 | Semlar | is australia still considered a floating prison? |
| 08:41.23 | karl_w_w | heh |
| 08:42.35 | karl_w_w | liberal party still referring to asylum seeking as 'illegal' |
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| 08:42.53 | karl_w_w | cos lying is allowed when murdoch runs the country |
| 08:43.50 | bluspacecow | you guys still got that horror in speedos as a PM ? |
| 08:44.05 | bluspacecow | hero i meant hero. freudian slip |
| 08:46.45 | karl_w_w | yes |
| 08:47.07 | karl_w_w | sadly being inept is not grounds to force an election |
| 08:47.36 | Semlar | it got bush elected |
| 08:48.01 | Maldivia | ohh... happy sysadmin day, for those it might apply |
| 08:48.12 | karl_w_w | no monica lewinski got bush elected |
| 08:54.08 | Jamash | no, sandra day oconnor got bush "elected" |
| 08:57.07 | zenzelezz | karl_w_w: how do you figure? Did she mess up people's perception of Al Gore? |
| 08:57.21 | karl_w_w | apparently |
| 08:57.45 | zenzelezz | that must be why he only got most votes, not votes in the right places |
| 08:59.16 | karl_w_w | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewinsky_scandal#Effect_on_2000_presidential_election |
| 08:59.24 | Mr_Rabies | on uh |
| 08:59.45 | Mr_Rabies | a just as off-topic but less interesting note |
| 08:59.53 | Mr_Rabies | what program do people use nowadays to read cbz files in windows? i tend to just extract the .zip into a folder and use irfanview but i'm sure there's something better |
| 09:00.06 | Mr_Rabies | it's hard finding out good info that's not old as heck when cbz was first a thing |
| 09:00.15 | zenzelezz | "cbz"? |
| 09:00.54 | Maldivia | comic book zip |
| 09:01.46 | nevcairiel | I have an android app I used, no idea about windows |
| 09:01.46 | Mr_Rabies | it's really just a zip file with the files organized in a standard way |
| 09:01.55 | Mr_Rabies | also i'm really, really getting tired of 7zip |
| 09:02.13 | Mr_Rabies | i hate that it doesn't properly clean up after itself or open the extracted folder when it's done |
| 09:02.37 | nevcairiel | I hate stuff that opens the folder when its done |
| 09:02.38 | Mr_Rabies | but winrar's nagscreen is terrible, and i don't know any alternatives |
| 09:02.39 | karl_w_w | cdisplayex? |
| 09:02.57 | nevcairiel | What do you mean with clean up after itself? |
| 09:03.37 | Mr_Rabies | it basically doesn't delete its temp files at all if you preview without extracting to a folder |
| 09:03.40 | karl_w_w | i used cdisplayex once, it was fine, apparently it supports cbz |
| 09:03.48 | Mr_Rabies | it dumps them in the %TEMP% folder and just leaves them there |
| 09:04.07 | karl_w_w | you don't just clear your temp files every month or so? |
| 09:04.25 | Mr_Rabies | not really, tbh, because other than 7zip most stuff seems pretty good at cleaning up after itself |
| 09:04.26 | nevcairiel | Can't be, I've had numerous times where I closed 7zip and the file I still had opened disappeared |
| 09:05.09 | karl_w_w | yeah its a bit of a pain in the ass sometimes |
| 09:05.20 | Semlar | 7zip definitely destroys the temp files after it's closed |
| 09:06.01 | Mr_Rabies | i've got countless 7z* folders in my %temp% folder |
| 09:06.04 | Mr_Rabies | with files in them |
| 09:06.23 | Mr_Rabies | like half of them are xvi32.exe lol |
| 09:06.28 | nevcairiel | Maybe you're doing it wrong |
| 09:06.47 | Mr_Rabies | because i was trying to use xvi32 to repair my arkham city saves and convert them to the GOTY edition :v |
| 09:06.51 | Mr_Rabies | got it, eventually |
| 09:07.28 | nevcairiel | Maybe it keeps the file when it can't delete them because locked |
| 09:07.49 | nevcairiel | Not like it can do something else, except whine at you |
| 09:08.06 | Mr_Rabies | lmao my temp folder is basically 7ZIP junk and a pile of working files for the bnet launcher |
| 09:08.20 | Mr_Rabies | there was this weird time where steam decided to hook into the bnet launcher and not let it patch |
| 09:08.22 | Mr_Rabies | that was interesting |
| 09:08.29 | Mr_Rabies | that's about when all these files are from |
| 09:08.56 | Mr_Rabies | couldn't get wow to patch, restarted launcher, restarted agent.exe, no dice |
| 09:09.16 | Mr_Rabies | looked in process explorer and somehow steam.exe and battle.net.exe got intertwined |
| 09:09.38 | Workfoz | have you tried using a more recent version of 7-zip? Mine also deletes stuff I have opened from inside an archive. While it's still open. |
| 09:09.40 | Mr_Rabies | closed steam.exe, battle.net patched immediately |
| 09:09.57 | Mr_Rabies | i'm using the latest stable release |
| 09:10.04 | Mr_Rabies | there's one 7zip version that's called like, uh |
| 09:10.12 | Workfoz | "stable" |
| 09:10.22 | Workfoz | that sounds suspiciously like the version from 2010 or something. |
| 09:10.25 | Workfoz | 7.20 |
| 09:10.36 | Mr_Rabies | ah |
| 09:10.38 | Workfoz | author is pretty mad and has like 3 branches out there in parallel |
| 09:10.42 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.e7z.org/ |
| 09:10.45 | Mr_Rabies | kinda tempted to try this |
| 09:11.05 | Workfoz | why, is the original too confusing for you? |
| 09:11.17 | Mr_Rabies | no, because it supports opening the folder after extraction :p |
| 09:11.27 | Workfoz | it says it's based on 7.20, so I doubt it would have different behaviour, if it's actually a 7z issue you're experiencing |
| 09:11.40 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.e7z.org/changes/copy.png |
| 09:11.46 | Mr_Rabies | oh, i'm using 9.22 beta, i should check and see |
| 09:11.47 | Semlar | maybe it can't delete the files due to permissions for some reason |
| 09:12.19 | Workfoz | haha I like how I'm wrong and it's now FOUR branches he has out there. |
| 09:12.34 | Workfoz | wait, I can't count. it's FIVE. |
| 09:12.36 | Workfoz | lolol |
| 09:12.40 | Semlar | well they don't call it 7zip for nothin |
| 09:13.00 | Workfoz | 7-zip is the real Matroska |
| 09:13.12 | nevcairiel | I just keep using the stable 7z, all these beta and alpha things are confusing |
| 09:13.31 | Workfoz | 9.34 9.30 9.25 9.22 and 9.20, the latter being the only "stable" version, and it's from 2010 |
| 09:13.56 | Workfoz | changelog doesn't even cover 9.34 |
| 09:14.00 | nevcairiel | I know how old it is |
| 09:14.46 | nevcairiel | All i really use is the context menu anyway |
| 09:16.31 | nevcairiel | I keep zips associated with windows explorer so I can open them like a folder |
| 09:16.41 | nevcairiel | And all other formats are relatively rare |
| 09:16.55 | Semlar | yeah, i only use 7zip for whatever windows can't open |
| 09:18.04 | Mr_Rabies | this is entirely due to comixology offering DRM-free comics for certain publishers |
| 09:19.15 | Mr_Rabies | now that i can "lend out" some of my comics to friends just like print ones, i'm way more likely to actually purchase digital comics |
| 09:20.02 | Mr_Rabies | still can't sell them if i wanted, but that'll come down the line |
| 09:34.21 | p3lim | so many people crying about the beta character reset |
| 09:34.34 | p3lim | and that they need to setup their keybindings and UI again |
| 09:34.45 | nevcairiel | People will cry |
| 09:35.06 | p3lim | doesn't any of them know that they can copy/paste folders and files? |
| 09:35.54 | Workfoz | - 7-Zip now can show icons for 7-Zip items in Explorer's context menu. |
| 09:35.54 | Workfoz | - 7-Zip File Manager now can use RAM buffers instead of temp files to open nested archives, if temp file is smaller than 1/4 of RAM size. |
| 09:36.01 | Workfoz | that's two features you'd get from updating |
| 09:36.28 | nevcairiel | The second seems kinda interesting |
| 09:36.30 | Workfoz | (first is a feature e7z has, second is something you complained about specifically) |
| 09:36.40 | Workfoz | still lacking "open folder after extracting" though ;) |
| 09:37.03 | p3lim | 9.22 is the current stable, not 9.20 |
| 09:37.16 | Workfoz | 9.22 is not stable |
| 09:37.18 | Workfoz | it's beta ^^ |
| 09:37.33 | p3lim | beta versions are suffixed with 'beta' |
| 09:37.33 | Workfoz | btw nev |
| 09:37.40 | p3lim | like "9.10 beta" |
| 09:37.42 | Workfoz | 9.22 offers taskbar progress thing |
| 09:37.48 | Workfoz | p3lim: so? |
| 09:37.57 | Workfoz | p3lim: "7-Zip 9.22 beta" |
| 09:38.00 | Workfoz | straight from the website. |
| 09:38.15 | p3lim | 7zip has a website? o.O |
| 09:38.23 | Workfoz | (and the download link at the top centre of the page points to 9.20 because that's the latest stable version) |
| 09:38.30 | nevcairiel | Open http://www.7-zip.org and see how it offers 9.20 as the main download |
| 09:38.42 | nevcairiel | All others are beta in the side column |
| 09:38.54 | p3lim | didn't even know they had a site other than the project page on sourceforge |
| 09:38.55 | bluspacecow | hmmmmm |
| 09:39.03 | Workfoz | he should just get over himself and mark something more recent as stable some day :D |
| 09:39.04 | bluspacecow | beta still down due to power cut at irvine ? |
| 09:39.06 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/13568067081?page=16#314 |
| 09:39.06 | Workfoz | "they" is one person btw |
| 09:39.29 | p3lim | been using 9.22 for several years :p |
| 09:39.41 | Workfoz | you're mildly more up to date than nev, then! |
| 09:39.51 | nevcairiel | Typical US power net. One plant goes down and suddenly power failure |
| 09:39.56 | nevcairiel | No fail over at all |
| 09:40.06 | nevcairiel | 3rd world country! |
| 09:40.08 | bluspacecow | heard cali powers particularly iffy |
| 09:40.19 | bluspacecow | and if the fall over falls over ? |
| 09:40.21 | Workfoz | meh, substations going poof would result in power outage here, too, nev |
| 09:40.48 | p3lim | don't think I've ever experienced a power outage :p |
| 09:40.56 | nevcairiel | Wasn't it the actual plant that went poof |
| 09:40.58 | Workfoz | (that term is probably too vague anyway, there's a number of things that could qualify as "substation") |
| 09:41.13 | nevcairiel | We are protected against plant failures |
| 09:41.19 | Workfoz | that we are |
| 09:41.22 | Workfoz | not sure if they are |
| 09:41.25 | nevcairiel | Single failures anyway |
| 09:41.38 | Workfoz | even multiple probably, aren't we exporting power |
| 09:41.48 | Workfoz | i.e. surplus exists |
| 09:41.50 | Mr_Rabies | i wonder how often taco bell's main HQ gets visited by server techs at 2AM |
| 09:41.55 | nevcairiel | Sure but at some point delivery becomes a problem |
| 09:41.57 | Mr_Rabies | they're like 3 minutes up the road |
| 09:43.59 | Workfoz | https://twitter.com/SCE/status/492540723783168001 power company says substation |
| 09:44.20 | Workfoz | (power company also says that it's been resolved: https://twitter.com/SCE/status/492577017624150017 ) |
| 09:44.50 | Workfoz | bluspacecow: what do you expect btw, it's still night there |
| 09:44.57 | nevcairiel | Guess substation might be problematic, bit only very localized |
| 09:45.07 | nevcairiel | but* |
| 09:45.19 | bluspacecow | yeah looks like it come up after theyâld left for the day |
| 09:45.22 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 09:45.49 | Mr_Rabies | man |
| 09:45.51 | Workfoz | can't really do much at an IT company when the power's out :D |
| 09:46.00 | Mr_Rabies | i cannot look at the word problematic the same anymore |
| 09:46.04 | Mr_Rabies | freakin' tumblr :( |
| 09:46.32 | karl_w_w | what's wrong with it? |
| 09:48.04 | Mr_Rabies | the social justice warrior community has taken that term and twisted it to mean "potentially offends me or someone who may or may not exist" |
| 09:48.54 | karl_w_w | ah |
| 09:49.02 | Mr_Rabies | it's part of their jargon, and thus gets mentioned CONSTANTLY in their rants |
| 09:49.05 | karl_w_w | your problem is paying any attention to tumblr |
| 09:50.06 | Mr_Rabies | it occasionally shows up in a podcast i listen to as well, so now i groan everytime i hear the word |
| 09:51.26 | p3lim | have they said when the beta servers will be up btw? |
| 09:52.05 | karl_w_w | http://gawker.com/the-years-very-worst-words-are-so-problematic-1482113515 |
| 09:52.21 | karl_w_w | ooh what podcast Mr_Rabies |
| 09:52.30 | nevcairiel | Since they had to go home due to a power failure, they obviously didn't say much yet. :p |
| 09:52.32 | Mr_Rabies | view from the gutters |
| 09:52.43 | p3lim | ah |
| 09:53.00 | Mr_Rabies | it's a comic book podcast and one of the guys on there fancies himself a SJW at times |
| 09:53.20 | Mr_Rabies | thankfully he's tolerable enough but i've skipped past his rants more than once |
| 09:55.53 | Mr_Rabies | he's just a total hipster and hopefully will learn to dial it back a bit at some point |
| 09:56.36 | karl_w_w | but maybe that's when he decides he doesn't like comic books and/or podcasts :P |
| 09:57.03 | Mr_Rabies | also okay with that |
| 09:57.26 | Mr_Rabies | he's one of like 4? hosts on that show |
| 09:58.31 | rid_ | hey Fisker |
| 09:58.35 | rid_ | I still love you |
| 09:58.42 | Fisker | I love you too rid_ |
| 09:58.55 | rid_ | good, almost thought I had lost you |
| 09:59.00 | rid_ | :( |
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| 10:06.32 | karl_w_w | how can you lose Fisker, he's always here! |
| 10:07.50 | Industrial | _always_ |
| 10:09.21 | karl_w_w | has anybody ever read a EULA? |
| 10:10.57 | nevcairiel | I'm sure someone has |
| 10:12.16 | Mr_Rabies | i had a EULA once |
| 10:12.33 | Mr_Rabies | doc prescribed me some antibiotics and it cleared up in like a week |
| 10:12.33 | Fisker | I read all my EULA's |
| 10:13.55 | karl_w_w | Fisker, I've seen your steam account, that's not possible |
| 10:14.06 | Fisker | It's very possible |
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| 10:20.39 | Jamash | I read some EULAs |
| 10:20.43 | Jamash | I get bored usually |
| 10:20.50 | Jamash | also legally you're better off if you don't read anything ever |
| 10:21.06 | Jamash | that way you're never liable for willful infringement |
| 10:21.12 | Jamash | I am not a lawyer |
| 10:21.16 | Jamash | zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 10:21.17 | karl_w_w | I didn't even read your messages |
| 10:21.24 | Jamash | good work, high five |
| 10:21.32 | Jamash | too slow |
| 10:21.41 | Jamash | I unlocked my nexus 7 |
| 10:22.01 | karl_w_w | how did you do it? |
| 10:22.11 | Jamash | I pressed the unlock button in the nexus root toolkit |
| 10:22.13 | karl_w_w | I use the draw a pattern one |
| 10:22.22 | Jamash | that's... okay sure |
| 10:22.28 | Jamash | I see what you did there |
| 10:23.00 | Jamash | I'm going through the ordinary upgrade process before I root it |
| 10:23.01 | karl_w_w | that's the only unlock I can imagine you mean seeing as nexii come unlocked |
| 10:23.11 | Jamash | not carrier locked, boot loader locked |
| 10:23.23 | Jamash | different thingies |
| 10:23.26 | karl_w_w | I've been meaning to root my nexus 4 |
| 10:23.32 | karl_w_w | she's so damn sexy |
| 10:23.35 | Jamash | Nexus Root Toolkit is pretty rad |
| 10:23.41 | Jamash | it automates pretty much everything |
| 10:23.54 | Jamash | you still have to know what you want to do with it |
| 10:24.01 | Jamash | always make backups before doing things |
| 10:24.18 | Jamash | for example I would have been sad if I had lost my jetpack joyride save |
| 10:25.02 | karl_w_w | but how do I backup everything if I don't have root access? :P |
| 10:25.14 | Jamash | you can't make a rom image but you can back up all your apps and user data |
| 10:25.23 | Jamash | unlocking wipes that stuff |
| 10:25.55 | karl_w_w | oh nrt has backup as well |
| 10:26.13 | Jamash | so you want to make an android backup file (a compressed tar file with a hey this is an android backup header) first |
| 10:26.19 | Jamash | then unlock |
| 10:26.26 | Jamash | then flash all the stuff |
| 10:26.52 | Jamash | actually make a rom image after unlocking and before flashing custom roms |
| 10:26.58 | karl_w_w | what if i dont want to flash it with anything |
| 10:27.01 | Jamash | so you can go back if you screw it up |
| 10:27.07 | Jamash | you can still root it without flashing a custom kernel |
| 10:27.20 | Jamash | get all the leet appz |
| 10:27.58 | Jamash | I think it's finally updated to the latest official android version |
| 10:28.09 | Jamash | gonna make some more backups and then root it |
| 10:35.40 | karl_w_w | hmm my nexus 4 contains 2 folders called data |
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| 10:51.40 | Workfoz | also, /data/data |
| 10:51.40 | Workfoz | :D |
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| 11:41.07 | karl_w_w | there is /data/data and /data/flixster |
| 11:49.08 | Industrial | and /data/fisker |
| 11:54.06 | karl_w_w | naturally |
| 11:56.07 | Workfoz | I get an error when access /data/fisker |
| 12:08.23 | karl_w_w | you can't just access a Fisker, you have to woo it |
| 12:08.44 | p3lim | any of the admins awake? |
| 12:16.02 | karl_w_w | I think you need #freenode for admins :P |
| 12:16.35 | p3lim | well, wowi admins |
| 12:16.53 | bluspacecow | i hungry karl :( |
| 12:16.55 | bluspacecow | i am Jack ? |
| 12:17.09 | karl_w_w | I don't think so |
| 12:17.25 | karl_w_w | I have never considered the hungry version of myself to be called Jack |
| 12:17.37 | bluspacecow | mines closed right meow |
| 12:19.08 | karl_w_w | fucking google hijacking keyboard shortcuts |
| 12:19.21 | karl_w_w | I thought only twitter and facebook did that |
| 12:23.43 | bluspacecow | you tried to copy something and it was all like NOOO YOU ONLY DO DAT IN THE DRIVE APP grrrr arggghhh |
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| 12:32.07 | p3lim | Anyone know if its possible to force the packager on curse to run? |
| 12:38.38 | Workfoz | make a pointless change |
| 12:38.54 | Workfoz | otherwise... Torhal. |
| 12:39.08 | p3lim | Gotta wait for them americans to wake up I suppose |
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| 13:51.27 | rid_ | hey Fisker |
| 13:51.39 | rid_ | tgif Fisker ? |
| 13:52.12 | Industrial | srs |
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| 13:52.25 | rid_ | srs |
| 13:54.08 | karl_w_w | thank god it's Fisker |
| 13:54.29 | rid_ | yes karl_w_w |
| 14:00.32 | Lopeppeppy_ | WTB robust user error protection for commonly used forms that users frell up. |
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| 14:12.18 | harl | like everything? |
| 14:14.43 | VIad | Semlar: loading 100MB of lua data crashes the client :D |
| 14:16.51 | Lopeppeppy_ | There are really 3 errors that I hate, harl, and the form doesn't check for them. Capital letters, spaces, and punctuation in the filename. |
| 14:17.12 | VIad | Lopeppeppy_: file upload forms in html? |
| 14:17.33 | Semlar | VIad: my game loaded like a gigabyte of saved variables after i wrote an infinite loop once |
| 14:18.08 | Lopeppeppy_ | No, a form to fill out properties to create a new webpage, Vlad. |
| 14:18.09 | VIad | Semlar: dunno Semlar, but it crashes when I load mine :P fixed errors in some libraries, escape issues, ran the files in lua52.exe to check for syntax errors, no errors. |
| 14:18.34 | VIad | but the game crashes right before it puts me in the world :( |
| 14:20.46 | VIad | Semlar: The instruction at "0x000000013FF118FF" referenced memory at "0x000000000F0AB000". The memory could not be "written". |
| 14:21.08 | Semlar | 64 bit? |
| 14:22.17 | VIad | yes |
| 14:22.48 | VIad | trying with 32 bit just to test |
| 14:23.10 | VIad | yesterday when I tried with like, 10 of the modules had bad syntax, it at least worked :P |
| 14:23.43 | VIad | crashes in 32 bit too |
| 14:23.55 | VIad | maybe it's the reserved name thingy - contains chinese, korean, e.g. |
| 14:25.40 | VIad | the shorthand dump log doesn't say it's my addon either :P |
| 14:25.52 | Ressy | lemme see the error log |
| 14:25.56 | Ressy | pastebin it or something |
| 14:25.59 | VIad | ok |
| 14:26.29 | Semlar | i really don't think it should crash trying to load it from being too large |
| 14:26.52 | Semlar | i think it's probably an issue with the data but i could be wrong |
| 14:26.56 | VIad | http://pastebin.com/Xrmu9wrv |
| 14:27.15 | VIad | gotta be the data right. but weird lua52.exe could parse the files without errors :P |
| 14:27.21 | VIad | I syntax checked outside the game |
| 14:27.26 | Semlar | well it says it ran out of memory |
| 14:27.40 | Semlar | how much ram do you have |
| 14:27.43 | VIad | 16GB |
| 14:27.59 | VIad | 15.9GB usable :P |
| 14:28.09 | Ressy | You using a proxy? |
| 14:28.10 | Semlar | Total lua memory: 433422KB |
| 14:28.11 | VIad | let me check the graph while I boot the game :P |
| 14:28.14 | VIad | no proxy |
| 14:28.47 | Semlar | looks like it has less than 500mb allocated for lua |
| 14:28.49 | Ressy | Percent memory used: 39 |
| 14:29.06 | VIad | whaa |
| 14:29.09 | Ressy | <Set.Addons.All.Loaded> LibDBC |
| 14:29.15 | Ressy | is that the addon you're working on? |
| 14:29.18 | VIad | yes :P |
| 14:29.23 | VIad | it's just the DBC as lua tables |
| 14:29.41 | VIad | but if there is a hard limit to how much memory addons can use, then it's a issue :P |
| 14:29.44 | VIad | didn't know! |
| 14:31.00 | Ressy | crash log is weird.. |
| 14:31.14 | Ressy | cuz its also pointing to pcapwsp.dll |
| 14:31.17 | VIad | game only loaded 1 GB of stuff into the memory and died :P |
| 14:31.30 | Ressy | err.. 1gb of data from the addon? |
| 14:31.48 | VIad | no just general memory |
| 14:32.00 | VIad | system went from 5.4 to 6.5 and error crash |
| 14:32.03 | VIad | so there is space |
| 14:33.58 | Semlar | my game loaded this http://i.imgur.com/nbzdVeO.gif |
| 14:35.02 | Semlar | i only noticed because reloading took a little longer than expected |
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| 14:35.05 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v bluspacecow] by ChanServ |
| 14:36.06 | Semlar | it's all one table is that makes any difference |
| 14:36.45 | VIad | :D |
| 14:36.57 | VIad | disabled some files, gonan try loading again |
| 14:37.23 | Semlar | there was an infinite recursive loop and it just kept writing entries to the table |
| 14:37.24 | VIad | turned off Spell, FileData, DeclinedWordCases, SpellEffect, SoundEntries, DeclinedWord, CharSections, ManifestInterfaceData, LightData |
| 14:37.45 | VIad | it loaded! |
| 14:37.55 | VIad | 398.14MB :D |
| 14:38.42 | Semlar | sadly i don't appear to have a screenshot of the in game usage |
| 14:39.05 | Semlar | and it's possible saved variables behave differently |
| 14:39.11 | VIad | so |
| 14:39.29 | VIad | workaround is to make your addon code into the SV if it's too large :P |
| 14:39.52 | Semlar | i guess you could try it |
| 14:40.22 | VIad | but it's silly! |
| 14:40.32 | VIad | if there is a 500 MB limit to addon memory |
| 14:40.35 | Semlar | there could be some other reason it's crashing |
| 14:40.38 | VIad | hmm |
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| 14:40.43 | VIad | I am investigating atm |
| 14:40.48 | VIad | loading modules one by one back again |
| 14:40.53 | VIad | 440MB atm |
| 14:41.05 | Semlar | or maybe something has changed since i screwed up that addon |
| 14:41.20 | Semlar | it was only 4 months ago |
| 14:41.38 | VIad | :p |
| 14:41.44 | VIad | we shall soon find out |
| 14:42.11 | Semlar | i have an ssd and the reload process was taking like minutes |
| 14:42.52 | VIad | hehe |
| 14:43.41 | VIad | 460MB :P |
| 14:43.44 | karl_w_w | all this android rooting malarkey doesn't seem worth it |
| 14:43.47 | karl_w_w | it takes so long |
| 14:44.32 | VIad | :( |
| 14:45.01 | VIad | loading DeclinedWordCases added 13MB raw data, crash |
| 14:45.07 | VIad | gonna see if FileData is any different |
| 14:45.10 | VIad | only got those two left :) |
| 14:46.13 | VIad | Semlar: loading those crashes |
| 14:46.42 | Semlar | alone or with the rest |
| 14:46.52 | VIad | with the rest |
| 14:46.56 | VIad | I can try now only load those |
| 14:46.59 | VIad | and see if it works |
| 14:47.00 | VIad | :P |
| 14:47.52 | VIad | if it works now then the 500MB limit is real |
| 14:49.29 | VIad | hmm |
| 14:49.30 | VIad | look at this |
| 14:49.32 | VIad | "constant table overflow" |
| 14:49.40 | VIad | too much shit? :p |
| 14:49.55 | Semlar | evidently |
| 14:50.20 | VIad | 13MB table files |
| 14:50.24 | VIad | shame :p |
| 14:50.28 | Semlar | i'm tellin you i loaded a 2gb SV file |
| 14:50.31 | VIad | :D |
| 14:50.38 | Semlar | so it probably isn't the size limit |
| 14:50.56 | VIad | fun thing |
| 14:50.59 | Semlar | unless it treats actual addon data separately |
| 14:51.00 | VIad | wow ignores this error |
| 14:51.12 | VIad | meaning wow won't complain about the table overflow |
| 14:51.17 | VIad | it just doesn't load the file |
| 14:51.19 | VIad | there is no error |
| 14:51.27 | VIad | ah wait |
| 14:51.29 | VIad | nvm |
| 14:51.30 | VIad | there is :D |
| 14:51.32 | VIad | so good |
| 14:51.40 | VIad | shame the message is so not helpful :p |
| 14:51.44 | VIad | "Message: constant table overflow |
| 14:51.44 | VIad | Time: 07/25/14 16:47:50 |
| 14:51.44 | VIad | Count: 2" |
| 14:51.48 | VIad | imagine if you got 100 addons :P |
| 14:51.51 | VIad | not very informative |
| 14:51.54 | bluspacecow | He |
| 14:52.06 | bluspacecow | i can imagine the Count would be estacitc about that |
| 14:52.21 | bluspacecow | one hundred 42 error ah ah ah |
| 14:52.50 | bluspacecow | (blissfull look on his face at the thought of more errors to count) |
| 14:55.04 | VIad | :D |
| 14:55.23 | VIad | good news Semlar - it works :P |
| 14:55.42 | VIad | got all them DBC loaded under LibDBC :D |
| 14:55.45 | VIad | minus two |
| 14:56.01 | VIad | 351 tables :D |
| 14:56.17 | VIad | aww |
| 14:56.22 | VIad | 3 of them don't get loaded |
| 14:56.24 | VIad | block too big :< |
| 14:56.28 | VIad | Spells is one of them |
| 14:56.44 | VIad | "Message: memory allocation error: block too big" |
| 14:56.49 | VIad | would be nice if it told me the file too :P |
| 14:56.50 | Semlar | i don't know how you're storing the data |
| 14:56.55 | VIad | tables |
| 14:57.00 | Semlar | well yes, tables |
| 14:57.04 | VIad | it's a direct copy of the dbc |
| 14:57.11 | VIad | {{},{},...} |
| 14:57.12 | VIad | like that |
| 14:57.17 | VIad | each {} is a row |
| 14:57.24 | VIad | {0,2,"text",4,1} |
| 14:57.25 | VIad | e.g. |
| 14:57.51 | Semlar | most of that is redundant information anyway |
| 14:58.36 | Semlar | it would need to be pruned to whatever is unavailable to the api that would actually be useful |
| 14:59.14 | VIad | ofc |
| 14:59.48 | Semlar | i was able to load information about every spell in the game with less than 50mb of in-game memory and it wasn't compressed at all |
| 15:00.18 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/jYkKh3a.jpg |
| 15:01.17 | bluspacecow | large tooltip is large |
| 15:02.03 | Semlar | well it was for this http://i.imgur.com/ZdeOYdY.jpg which actually let you view the spell models and stuff |
| 15:02.44 | Semlar | with all of the info you'd get from wowhead too |
| 15:03.03 | *** join/#wowuidev smcn (smcn@71-32-245-248.ptld.qwest.net) |
| 15:03.12 | bluspacecow | Now shrink it down by 85% with the patented fiskerlib compression technique |
| 15:03.49 | bluspacecow | which mostly consistents of âyour momâ jokes and watching the dots off i s run away |
| 15:03.50 | Semlar | frankly i'm surprised wowhead doesn't let you view the spell models in their model viewer |
| 15:04.13 | Semlar | i mean, they added a Sound tab |
| 15:04.46 | karl_w_w | that's a lie |
| 15:05.11 | VIad | :D |
| 15:05.36 | Semlar | what's a lie |
| 15:05.46 | bluspacecow | might want to ask Perculia about that on Twitter Semlar |
| 15:06.09 | karl_w_w | everything |
| 15:06.18 | Semlar | even the cake? |
| 15:06.27 | karl_w_w | no not the cake |
| 15:06.35 | karl_w_w | the cake is a pie |
| 15:06.35 | Semlar | oh, good |
| 15:06.44 | Semlar | i prefer pie |
| 15:07.26 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/13567677032 |
| 15:07.40 | bluspacecow | might want to get âole sed out to do some global search and replacements |
| 15:08.18 | Semlar | these names are possibly more confusing |
| 15:08.44 | bluspacecow | well the PVP Mechatorque servers was never actually in Europe |
| 15:08.55 | Semlar | about PVE Leveling Realm, PVP Leveling Realm and Level 100 PVP |
| 15:10.06 | VIad | any ETA on the WOD beta servers? |
| 15:10.13 | VIad | how long does a power shortage last in US? |
| 15:11.50 | bluspacecow | lol |
| 15:11.57 | bluspacecow | it was done at 12.47 am PDT |
| 15:12.05 | bluspacecow | after they had gone home for sleepies |
| 15:12.18 | VIad | fuc kit |
| 15:12.27 | VIad | finally one thing to use the additional clock feature for :P |
| 15:12.28 | bluspacecow | wat |
| 15:12.36 | VIad | what city correlates to blizz realms? :P |
| 15:13.05 | bluspacecow | depends on which |
| 15:13.07 | VIad | UTC-6 or -8? |
| 15:13.07 | bluspacecow | why? |
| 15:13.23 | bluspacecow | yeah |
| 15:13.30 | VIad | for Irvine |
| 15:13.32 | bluspacecow | you mean the data centers ? |
| 15:13.34 | bluspacecow | oh |
| 15:13.34 | VIad | its in California right? |
| 15:13.36 | bluspacecow | just google |
| 15:13.41 | Semlar | -8 |
| 15:13.44 | bluspacecow | what time is it in irvine california |
| 15:13.51 | Semlar | 8 |
| 15:13.56 | bluspacecow | kk |
| 15:15.15 | VIad | http://ss.bool.no/upload_167de595.png |
| 15:15.16 | VIad | :P |
| 15:15.37 | VIad | so it's 8:15 |
| 15:15.41 | VIad | time to fix those servers! |
| 15:18.00 | bluspacecow | gnarly man |
| 15:18.03 | bluspacecow | your dag is free |
| 15:18.06 | bluspacecow | freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee dog |
| 15:18.23 | bluspacecow | funky friday the free dog |
| 15:20.48 | Fisker | fridays Lopeppeppy_ |
| 15:22.31 | Industrial | vrijdag, friday in dutch. vrijen (proverb) = smexytime |
| 15:23.35 | Fisker | D: |
| 15:23.43 | Fisker | stop perverting my discussions with Lopeppeppy_ |
| 15:24.05 | Lopeppeppy_ | Why? I'm perverted enough already. |
| 15:24.43 | Fisker | :O |
| 15:25.11 | karl_w_w | has friday with Fisker |
| 15:26.17 | Fisker | Well since it's all the same to Lopeppeppy_ no thanks karl_w_w |
| 15:26.47 | Lopeppeppy_ | There's a book for "How to Survive a Sharknado". |
| 15:27.06 | karl_w_w | what is the meaning of this |
| 15:27.41 | Fisker | must be a girl thing |
| 15:30.21 | bluspacecow | or your mom |
| 15:30.56 | Lopeppeppy_ | Sharknado is totally a Peppy-thing. Cannot wait for Sharknado 2. |
| 15:34.31 | sb | wtf - release is august, right? |
| 15:35.04 | sb | just googled and got an ad that says its going to be on TV next wednesday |
| 15:35.20 | Lopeppeppy_ | .... YAAAAY! I love you, sb! |
| 15:35.26 | sb | uh? |
| 15:35.36 | Maldivia | next week is august |
| 15:36.30 | Lopeppeppy_ | Premiere is July 30! I can watch it before vacation!!! |
| 15:37.03 | VIad | were there any plans for WOD, to improve transmog? do I still have to carry the gear in my bags to be able to transmog to it? :P |
| 15:37.21 | smcn | they removed that req a whiiiiile ago |
| 15:37.27 | VIad | but |
| 15:37.38 | VIad | if I throw the gear, I can't apply the look to another gear :/ |
| 15:37.50 | VIad | so I got to hoard the original gear with me |
| 15:37.56 | smcn | well no that's what void storage is for |
| 15:38.01 | VIad | yeah but that's full :P |
| 15:38.03 | VIad | bank is also full |
| 15:38.04 | Fisker | Lopeppeppy_ is easily excited |
| 15:38.08 | VIad | everything is just full :P |
| 15:38.22 | VIad | they were gonna use toybox system for heirlooms too |
| 15:38.22 | Lopeppeppy_ | That's what my boyfriend says, at least. |
| 15:38.39 | VIad | would be nice if transmog looks were unlocked once you get any gear |
| 15:39.26 | Semlar | they should just take the diablo approach |
| 15:39.34 | VIad | like that yes |
| 15:39.41 | Semlar | void storage is dumb |
| 15:39.41 | Fisker | I agree with your boyfriend then Lopeppeppy_ |
| 15:40.18 | Semlar | although tracking every item look anyone has ever collected would probably take more resources |
| 15:40.53 | VIad | hmm |
| 15:41.06 | VIad | could store the data in bitfields |
| 15:41.09 | VIad | like how old tradeskills did |
| 15:41.21 | VIad | list all displayIDs in a order and each bit represents each row |
| 15:41.45 | VIad | so then it wouldnt be that much space requirement :) |
| 15:41.50 | Semlar | i don't think it matters how they store it, it'll always use more resources than limiting the number of slots they can carry like void storage does |
| 15:43.55 | Semlar | especially since it would be tracking items for everyone and a lot of people probably don't fill up their void storage as it is |
| 15:44.23 | VIad | remove void storage |
| 15:44.29 | VIad | add a diablo system for transmogs |
| 15:44.29 | VIad | :P |
| 15:44.44 | Semlar | i think you missed what i was saying |
| 15:44.52 | VIad | yeah |
| 15:44.55 | VIad | but why limit? :( |
| 15:45.04 | Semlar | changing it to a diablo system would GREATLY increase the amount of resources required |
| 15:45.24 | VIad | why is void better? |
| 15:45.51 | Semlar | it limits the number of items you can collect |
| 15:46.13 | VIad | my problem is for example |
| 15:46.30 | VIad | on my DK I got tons of plate gear, lots of ways to mix things - sadly I never got the set, like I always miss a boot, head, shoulders, e.g. |
| 15:46.34 | VIad | so I gotta hoard it all :P |
| 15:46.38 | Semlar | i know what your problem is, i'm saying blizzard doesn't see any reason to store a crapton of extra data for everyone |
| 15:47.02 | VIad | thats why its awesome if they remove void storage and use that space for something else :3 |
| 15:48.39 | VIad | btw Semlar, all the displayID's atm take 67995 rows |
| 15:49.28 | VIad | soon 70k different views (including recolors) |
| 15:51.22 | VIad | Maldivia: hey, you here? |
| 15:54.57 | VIad | I wann ask Maldivia how much space storing theoretical 100k rows of bitflags would take as a base64 string - just qurious. |
| 15:55.29 | VIad | he reverse engineered the old tradeskill links so I bet he knows the fine inner workings :p |
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| 16:08.12 | jleclanche | VIad: calculate it |
| 16:08.18 | VIad | jleclanche: trying |
| 16:08.32 | jleclanche | VIad: hell script it |
| 16:08.38 | VIad | trying :p |
| 16:15.47 | Shirik | http://sysadminday.com/ |
| 16:23.11 | Maldivia | VIad: heh |
| 16:23.41 | VIad | Maldivia: we have a problem :p |
| 16:23.41 | Maldivia | VIad: not that hard to calc |
| 16:23.46 | VIad | or I am doing something wrong :P |
| 16:25.29 | bluspacecow | mmmm |
| 16:25.34 | bluspacecow | 1.4 degrees C |
| 16:25.39 | bluspacecow | time to make my bed |
| 16:26.03 | Maldivia | VIad: in base64 each char har 6-bit ofinfo, so 100k/6 num chars |
| 16:26.26 | VIad | hmm |
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| 16:26.59 | VIad | so 16666 byte of data |
| 16:29.23 | VIad | Maldivia: this is an issue though |
| 16:29.34 | VIad | if you got 100k rows and let's say you flag the last row as 1 |
| 16:29.42 | VIad | you will have a huge base64 string :P |
| 16:29.46 | VIad | mostly just zeroes |
| 16:30.07 | Maldivia | yep, so make a map or set |
| 16:30.15 | VIad | yeah |
| 16:30.22 | VIad | it will be better to keep a set or something |
| 16:30.36 | VIad | minimum a list of row indexes |
| 16:30.39 | VIad | set* |
| 16:45.19 | VIad | had fun, but I'm stopping now |
| 16:45.20 | karl_w_w | "Does this have subs for the non-English part?" the dreaded question |
| 16:45.45 | VIad | original: "224,233,249,253,394,510,31806,47156,56637,68070" |
| 16:45.57 | VIad | encoded then decoded: "224,233,249,253,387,510,31806,47151,56637,68067" |
| 16:46.15 | VIad | no clue why the values change at index 4/7/9 |
| 16:47.22 | VIad | coincidence that the differences create prime numbers? :p |
| 16:50.31 | karl_w_w | you're a coincidence |
| 16:50.46 | VIad | :D |
| 16:50.53 | VIad | you are a coincidence as well! |
| 16:51.44 | VIad | wonder if beta is up yet |
| 16:51.51 | VIad | it's soon 10AM |
| 16:52.07 | Ressy | Watcher just posted that the previous raid schedule is cancelled |
| 16:52.22 | VIad | ah yes |
| 16:52.33 | smcn | also this http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/13568067081?page=35#699 |
| 16:53.31 | VIad | smcn: how come I havent seen you around? |
| 16:53.45 | VIad | I've seen Ressy here and there, he's fine. |
| 16:54.02 | Ressy | She. |
| 16:54.06 | bluspacecow | lol |
| 16:55.10 | VIad | I should start using they :p |
| 16:55.13 | Ressy | lol |
| 16:55.38 | VIad | how else to word a neutral sentence without he/she |
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| 16:57.09 | VIad | Ressy: what is your forum name? wanna check your addons |
| 16:58.37 | Ressy | Just maintainer for AckisRecipeList & Collectinator. :) |
| 16:58.41 | Ressy | resa1983 |
| 17:00.56 | Fisker | I know how old you are now Ressy |
| 17:01.04 | A-KO | lol |
| 17:01.09 | A-KO | She's 19 |
| 17:01.11 | A-KO | Der |
| 17:01.15 | Fisker | Yeah |
| 17:01.23 | Fisker | 19 years, 83 days |
| 17:01.33 | A-KO | Permanently |
| 17:01.40 | Fisker | Just like Lopeppeppy_ |
| 17:01.42 | Ressy | I wish. |
| 17:01.47 | A-KO | lol |
| 17:01.47 | Shirik | and Shirik |
| 17:01.54 | A-KO | I'm 30. I feel old :( |
| 17:01.57 | Ressy | Oh well.. Not like I'm hiding it. I'm well known. :) |
| 17:02.03 | Fisker | Not Shirik |
| 17:02.06 | A-KO | Actually, I feel kind of young, waiting on the "I feel old" part |
| 17:02.07 | Fisker | Men are old |
| 17:02.07 | Shirik | :( |
| 17:02.24 | kd3 | I feel your pain A-KO, I turn 30 in just over 6 months |
| 17:02.26 | Lopeppeppy_ | Shirik and I are the same age, didn't you know? |
| 17:02.32 | Fisker | No equal opportunity young age promotion here |
| 17:02.40 | A-KO | kd3 indeed |
| 17:02.53 | Fisker | That's only because Shirik is young though |
| 17:03.09 | sb | 31 next thursday :| |
| 17:03.25 | A-KO | I've got a little while til 31.... |
| 17:03.25 | Semlar | one foot in the grave |
| 17:03.43 | p3lim | Can destruction warlocks get more than 4 burning embers? |
| 17:03.53 | Semlar | maybe if they're really good |
| 17:03.58 | sb | Semlar: yup... |
| 17:05.59 | Arrowmaster | what is this abomination.... a firefly mmo and its a fucking mobile game??? |
| 17:07.33 | A-KO | lol |
| 17:07.39 | A-KO | Sup Arrowmaster |
| 17:08.38 | Arrowmaster | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y98otfH9X8&feature=youtu.be |
| 17:08.52 | Arrowmaster | looks absolutely fucking terrible |
| 17:08.56 | A-KO | I like IRC on my tablet. |
| 17:09.12 | Arrowmaster | windows tablet? |
| 17:09.39 | Shirik | omg a friend of mine made the BBC front page |
| 17:09.54 | Shirik | http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-28481876 |
| 17:11.04 | Fisker | That appears to be a news article and not your friend |
| 17:11.19 | Shirik | I don't have any human friends :< |
| 17:11.55 | Fisker | I'll be your human friend |
| 17:12.11 | VIad | for me it's like being in a room with my brothers friends - he is also in his 30s - 32 to be exact :D |
| 17:12.11 | Fisker | Where do you live so I can move in with you? |
| 17:14.30 | Semlar | norvay |
| 17:15.00 | Shirik | I really need to get a new bed |
| 17:15.42 | VIad | Semlar: where in norway? |
| 17:15.51 | Fisker | Well Shirik |
| 17:16.00 | Semlar | i don't know |
| 17:16.14 | Fisker | Since I'm your new friend wanna look at a double? |
| 17:16.19 | VIad | are you a brain in a jar connected to a computer, Semlar? |
| 17:16.29 | Semlar | he was asking about you |
| 17:16.34 | VIad | me?! |
| 17:16.38 | Semlar | VLAD |
| 17:16.40 | VIad | OMG |
| 17:16.43 | VIad | someone speaks to me |
| 17:16.52 | Semlar | YOU HAVE TO READ THE WORDS |
| 17:17.18 | VIad | text to speech helping me read - it sucks being analphabet |
| 17:17.27 | VIad | analphabet :3 |
| 17:17.52 | VIad | Fisker: if you wanna move with me I live in Oslo |
| 17:18.27 | Fisker | Nah Shirik wanted a human friend |
| 17:18.39 | VIad | Shirik: where are you from? |
| 17:18.44 | Arrowmaster | best i can do is give you a pet rock |
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| 17:19.19 | Fisker | His parents VIad |
| 17:19.19 | Shirik | VIad: doesn't everyone know I'm from Portland, OR by now? |
| 17:19.31 | Fisker | I didn't |
| 17:19.33 | Shirik | except Thunder_Child is pretty convinced I am an AI |
| 17:19.37 | VIad | portland eh? that's not near Oslo to my recollection |
| 17:19.45 | Fisker | Because I didn't care until you wanted me to be your friend |
| 17:20.06 | Fisker | Now I care Shirik |
| 17:21.11 | Semlar | is there a dbc file that has what spells trigger the loss of control thing in the interface |
| 17:21.17 | VIad | yes |
| 17:21.35 | VIad | wait |
| 17:21.43 | VIad | you got SpellActivationOverlay.dbc but thats for the procs I believe |
| 17:22.05 | VIad | I think the game uses API to check if you have lost control or not :) |
| 17:22.49 | Semlar | it tells you what spell triggered it |
| 17:23.14 | Semlar | so either it's one of the fields in spelleffect.dbc or spell.dbc or somewhere else |
| 17:23.27 | VIad | yes |
| 17:23.30 | VIad | probably a field |
| 17:24.05 | Semlar | possibly one of these flag fields |
| 17:24.26 | VIad | sadly there is no documentation on the dbc and they change |
| 17:24.33 | Semlar | i'm guessing it's in spelleffect.dbc somewhere |
| 17:24.38 | VIad | with wod its time to go through the fields again :p |
| 17:25.37 | VIad | Semlar: want the SpellEffect.dbc file? |
| 17:25.43 | Semlar | no |
| 17:25.56 | VIad | good. it's 20MB :p |
| 17:25.59 | VIad | plain text |
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| 17:28.09 | kd3 | emails away |
| 17:28.38 | VIad | I got it |
| 17:28.42 | VIad | straight to my spam folder |
| 17:28.44 | End | a fire huh |
| 17:28.45 | VIad | jk :P |
| 17:29.00 | VIad | actually got labeling system setup and all |
| 17:29.04 | kd3 | http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2014/07/24/fire-at-socal-edison-substation-knocks-out-power-for-thousands-in-irvine/ |
| 17:30.06 | VIad | electrical fire is not good :( |
| 17:34.35 | Shirik | well in general fire is not good |
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| 17:48.52 | kd3 | whee. beta in an hour unless something *else* catches fire. then the realms themselves get to melt with everyone leveling through the tanaan intro again after the wipe |
| 17:49.12 | VIad | kd3: do you use linux or win? |
| 17:49.28 | kd3 | linux |
| 17:49.40 | kd3 | I only use win for a handful of games that just don't work in wine |
| 17:49.44 | VIad | just curious how do you handle file extensions :D |
| 17:49.59 | Lopeppeppy_ | Beta realms crashing? No way. |
| 17:50.01 | kd3 | file extensions have no meaning in the unix world, they're just for convenience |
| 17:50.04 | VIad | do you use them in linux for file association or? |
| 17:50.07 | VIad | yeah |
| 17:50.26 | VIad | would expect the diff patches to be just .diff on the end instead of .txt :D |
| 17:50.31 | VIad | since you are a linux guy and all |
| 17:50.32 | A-ko | They're note technically important in Windows anymore, either.... just legacy cruft :P |
| 17:50.49 | A-ko | Explorer needs to be updated |
| 17:50.51 | VIad | windows use them to know what the file should be opened with |
| 17:50.51 | A-ko | That's for sure |
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| 17:51.02 | A-ko | Explorer does, yes... |
| 17:51.09 | kd3 | I do .diff.txt since people complained about being forced to download them and not view the files inline in the browser |
| 17:51.14 | VIad | the alternative would be manually picking for each file :P or have the OS read the header - dangerous! |
| 17:51.19 | VIad | ah I see kd3 |
| 17:51.21 | kd3 | it's a nonissue to me, the script I use to create the diffs can call them whatever I want |
| 17:51.29 | VIad | I renamed it back to .diff so my diff viewer opens it :D |
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| 17:52.25 | nevcairiel | I would prefer plain .diff as well, have to keep renaming them too.; p |
| 17:53.12 | Fisker | plain diffs nevcairiel |
| 17:53.21 | kd3 | I may just compromise and send the diff twice, one with a .txt extension and one with a .diff... |
| 17:53.33 | VIad | but on a serious note, extensions are to make things easier for the users. even a hardcore programmer would hate to see a folder with 100 files without any extension :P |
| 17:53.40 | VIad | you'd have to manually figure out what the f* each file is |
| 17:54.25 | VIad | but linux uses extensions too right, it uses .so like windows uses .dll |
| 17:54.31 | VIad | mac uses .dmg for executables |
| 17:54.45 | bluspacecow | lol |
| 17:54.53 | bluspacecow | i thought it was .app for executables |
| 17:55.05 | VIad | I remember seeing .dmg for something, hmm |
| 17:55.09 | End | .dmg is installers I thought |
| 17:55.12 | bluspacecow | .dmg for disk images |
| 17:55.12 | VIad | disk image |
| 17:55.24 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:55.49 | VIad | what I dislike in windows is by default hiding extensions |
| 17:55.58 | VIad | man it's really painful to look at people using windows like that |
| 17:56.15 | VIad | if I send someone a pdf and a word file with the same name they get lost :P |
| 17:56.33 | VIad | "I can't edit the document in word" so I gotta reply "Did you open the World file?" and endless mails ensue. |
| 17:56.39 | nevcairiel | kd3: sending both is kinda overkill :p just dont mind us complainers |
| 17:56.42 | End | the best...I mean worst...is trying to coerce certain text editors into using extensions other than .txt |
| 17:57.05 | End | usually only a problem creating a file though |
| 17:57.17 | VIad | I always force it to show all files by typing *.* in filename and pressing enter. |
| 17:57.23 | End | (and usually if it's my system, I have better tools) |
| 17:57.31 | VIad | Usually shows all files regardless of they got "All files" in their dropdown filter thingy. |
| 17:57.45 | VIad | windows can't create .X files :D |
| 17:58.01 | End | explorer won't yeah |
| 17:58.15 | End | and maybe the common dialog won't either |
| 17:58.26 | VIad | you can flush to it |
| 17:58.27 | End | I think cmd.exe does though |
| 17:58.33 | VIad | in command like just null>.X :P |
| 17:59.22 | VIad | I hope windows 9 will be an upgrade |
| 17:59.29 | VIad | w8 was not quite my thing |
| 17:59.32 | nevcairiel | explorer can create dot files |
| 17:59.36 | nevcairiel | you just have to know how |
| 17:59.48 | End | I don't know how :P |
| 17:59.59 | VIad | weird just created . file |
| 18:00.01 | nevcairiel | name it ".X." |
| 18:00.04 | VIad | last time I tried, year or two years ago |
| 18:00.06 | VIad | I got errors :p |
| 18:00.19 | nevcairiel | the last dot tells it to have an empty extension |
| 18:00.29 | nevcairiel | and you end up with a file named .X |
| 18:00.30 | End | and it just drops the dot too then? |
| 18:00.33 | End | neat |
| 18:00.38 | End | I'll have to remember that |
| 18:01.09 | VIad | I am 100% sure WinXP couldn't! :p |
| 18:01.13 | nevcairiel | no idea |
| 18:01.17 | VIad | and maybe even win7 without the sp :P |
| 18:01.17 | nevcairiel | 7 and above can |
| 18:01.17 | End | gross winxp |
| 18:01.47 | End | yeah definitely works on my win7 |
| 18:02.33 | VIad | tbh windows 8 should have been windows 9, interface wise |
| 18:02.48 | End | I don't understand |
| 18:03.01 | VIad | http://www.pcworld.com/article/2456028/leaked-windows-9-screenshots-reveal-more-detail-about-reborn-start-menu.html |
| 18:03.09 | VIad | the apps appear in windows |
| 18:03.16 | VIad | instead of fullscreen crap :p |
| 18:03.24 | End | oh I see what you mean |
| 18:03.37 | VIad | I don't want the whole screen to get covered when I push to open the menu |
| 18:03.55 | VIad | I prefer to have it on the side, quickly look up stuff while being able to see the things I originally work with. |
| 18:04.11 | End | yeah the things they're only just settling on in windows9 would have improved windows8 a lot |
| 18:04.12 | kd3 | hit the win key, type the first few letters of the program I'm trying to run, hit enter, the win screen goes away |
| 18:04.21 | kd3 | it's been like that since... xp? |
| 18:04.34 | VIad | the win screen is win8 thing |
| 18:04.35 | End | start menu doesn't even bother me in windows8 |
| 18:04.43 | End | or start screen whatever |
| 18:04.47 | VIad | I just think it should all have been options, choices. |
| 18:04.52 | End | making a bunch of stuff metro bothered me though |
| 18:05.07 | End | although I only played around with a preview version too, so maybe desktop versions of regular apps were just plain missing |
| 18:06.20 | Fisker | be friends with me Shirik |
| 18:06.29 | End | don't do it shirik it's a trap |
| 18:07.17 | smcn | beta realms maybe coming up "shortly"? http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/13568067081?page=43#850 |
| 18:08.19 | nevcairiel | windows 8 still has the same built-in desktop apps as 7 used to, you just have to tell windows to use them instead of the metro apps |
| 18:08.31 | nevcairiel | once you have done all of that, you never have tos ee metro again if you dont want to |
| 18:08.55 | End | ah |
| 18:09.20 | End | I've mentioned this problem to people before, and this is the first I'm hearing you can switch it |
| 18:09.27 | End | but maybe they just lived without a useful calculator |
| 18:09.40 | nevcairiel | i got rid of the start screen as well with a 3rd party app, since even if I do what kd3 suggests, the full screen color change is annoying and distracting |
| 18:09.48 | kd3 | oh, yah, I "uninstalled" all the metro apps I could and that tended to default everything left to the desktop apps |
| 18:10.35 | VIad | I think they went too hard core to make win8 work for touch screen machines too - hybrid desktop touch pad computers |
| 18:10.38 | nevcairiel | i couldnt live with the windows calculator, the programmer mode is really useful for some of my work |
| 18:10.42 | End | anyway, I'm not really motivated to switch from win7, but it makes me less apprehensive if I build a new computer :P |
| 18:10.57 | nevcairiel | couldnt live without* |
| 18:11.05 | VIad | hmm |
| 18:11.11 | VIad | I miss one thing from the later calc in windows |
| 18:11.20 | VIad | programmer mode can't handle decimals :( |
| 18:11.29 | VIad | the old winxp one could |
| 18:11.39 | nevcairiel | decimals would blow up the binary view |
| 18:11.40 | VIad | i.e. have the hex, dec, oct, bin, all those funkyness on screen |
| 18:11.51 | VIad | yeah but now I gotta swap between programmer and advanced :( |
| 18:12.14 | nevcairiel | i love having the binary view always persistent, and i can even swap bits with a click |
| 18:12.22 | nevcairiel | really useful |
| 18:12.39 | End | showing floating points as their internal format would be fun in binary view |
| 18:12.40 | VIad | :D |
| 18:12.49 | nevcairiel | fun sure, but useless |
| 18:14.49 | VIad | anyone using custom taskmanager UI? |
| 18:15.09 | End | I'm using the sysinternals one |
| 18:15.47 | VIad | I use http://processhacker.sourceforge.net/ |
| 18:15.49 | End | if I'm trying to kill a misbehaving process the experience can be worse, but other than that, I like it way better |
| 18:16.25 | End | having a services tab makes that one seem interesting |
| 18:17.00 | Mr_Rabies | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Article_Consisting_of_50,000_Cardboard_Boxes_More_or_Less,_Each_Containing_One_Pair_of_Clacker_Balls |
| 18:17.35 | End | whua..what |
| 18:20.24 | End | VIad: well, okay, I'm using that instead of process explorer now |
| 18:20.37 | VIad | what did you find that made it more interesting? |
| 18:20.41 | bluspacecow | why did they not counter - sue Ace Novelty Company ? |
| 18:20.55 | End | it's basically the same thing except it has services and network that are easy to access |
| 18:21.50 | End | I always used other things, and integrating that functionality seems to make sense |
| 18:24.45 | VIad | ugh |
| 18:25.09 | VIad | so warm - took a shower and already getting sweatty ever so slowly :( |
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| 18:33.16 | Lopeppeppy_ | Here in cubeville, I'm overhearing a coworker give a lecture on the standards of the NATO phonetic alphabet to whomever he's talking with... Pedantic bastard. |
| 18:33.41 | VIad | :D |
| 18:39.45 | zenzelezz | well, I prefer the NATO alphabet over the Whatever I Can Think Of |
| 18:40.09 | zenzelezz | Steven Burger Fireworks Oh One Zero |
| 18:41.58 | Mr_Rabies | the fact that this exists is amazing http://i.imgur.com/z1cIJVQ.jpg |
| 18:42.01 | Mr_Rabies | juuuuuuuust |
| 18:42.02 | Mr_Rabies | amazing |
| 18:44.34 | kd3 | wow. nintendo's actually streaming smash: twitch.tv/nintendo |
| 18:47.52 | Gethe | i didn't even know Nintendo streamed things |
| 18:49.04 | Fisker | Whiskey Tango Foxtrot Lopeppeppy_ |
| 18:49.05 | Mr_Rabies | dang it kd3, mirc doesn't support urls without either www. or http(s):// |
| 18:49.06 | smcn | they streamed a smash tournament at e3 and apparently people liked it |
| 18:49.10 | jleclanche | Cairenn: https://pay.reddit.com/r/hardcoreaww/ |
| 18:49.20 | zenzelezz | they probably realized that when you ban everyone else from doing it, you don't get much (positive) publicity |
| 18:49.51 | Fisker | When I talk to people who expect NATO phonetic alphabet I just use Wikipedia |
| 18:49.53 | VIad | I think nintendo act like asses when they take down videos from youtube. |
| 18:50.22 | Cairenn | jleclanche: awww |
| 18:50.50 | jleclanche | Cairenn: awwwSHIT HE SAW ME |
| 18:50.57 | Cairenn | heh |
| 18:53.39 | zenzelezz | jleclanche: is there any setting in LXQt/Openbox to switch desktop when you move the cursor to the sides? |
| 18:54.12 | jleclanche | zenzelezz: Probably; openbox is pretty configurable in that regard. try their irc channel (i think on oftc) |
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| 18:54.59 | zenzelezz | was surprised when it didn't do it, so used to it :-p |
| 18:55.05 | zenzelezz | but yeah, I'll dig around |
| 18:55.12 | jleclanche | ive never actually seen that feature anywhere |
| 18:55.22 | Arrowmaster | i had a bb4win plugin years ago that did that |
| 18:58.42 | VIad | how are the beta servers? |
| 18:59.20 | smcn | no eta http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/13568067081?page=45#900 |
| 18:59.27 | zenzelezz | jleclanche: really? I've always had it on; both in Enlightenment and Xfce |
| 19:01.14 | VIad | as a DB admin I am sure most of the time is spent watching queries run like for hours at a time :p |
| 19:02.51 | Gnarfoz | if you find me a DB admin that actually has time to do that, you get a free virtual cookie |
| 19:04.03 | VIad | what responsibilities does a DB admin have? keep stuff running right? |
| 19:04.33 | VIad | backups, restore backups if DB becomes corrupt, keep data integrity intact, e.g. |
| 19:04.48 | Gnarfoz | "stuff to do with databases in some fashion" is probably the most accurate answer to such an open question. |
| 19:06.48 | Fisker | I'm getting sleep today Lopeppeppy_ |
| 19:06.59 | Lopeppeppy_ | Hide under your desk and take a nap. |
| 19:07.05 | Fisker | Instead of that sleep at 2/3am nonsense |
| 19:07.14 | Fisker | I'll just hide in my bed |
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| 19:17.33 | VIad | btw |
| 19:17.42 | VIad | if power shortage happened like it did to live |
| 19:17.48 | VIad | how far back would the reroll go? :D |
| 19:19.06 | kd3 | huh. wonder how they're doing this... cloning a 3ds screen? |
| 19:19.13 | VIad | hmm |
| 19:21.55 | VIad | is 594 the latest build? |
| 19:22.03 | VIad | not sure if my game client was patched or not :p |
| 19:22.15 | kd3 | yes, but the power failure last night screwed things up, they're not ready to go live yet |
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| 19:25.02 | VIad | imagine if that happened to live,. kd3:P |
| 19:25.04 | VIad | huge mess |
| 19:25.26 | kd3 | presumably production actually has battery backup + generator support... |
| 19:25.53 | VIad | what if a data center fire occurs? |
| 19:25.56 | VIad | what would happen |
| 19:26.38 | zenzelezz | generally, their fire suppression systems would kick in |
| 19:26.44 | kd3 | they have have backups, and hopefully the halon would put it out before any damage took place |
| 19:26.55 | VIad | here is an idea |
| 19:26.59 | VIad | data center under water |
| 19:27.06 | Ressy | yay.. Nice perfect temp home. :) |
| 19:27.09 | VIad | : |
| 19:28.49 | kd3 | I'm not sure how I like items... maybe it's okay in a 4-way free-for-all, but def not in 2s |
| 19:31.04 | Ressy | servers up yet? |
| 19:31.13 | kd3 | beta? no |
| 19:31.20 | Ressy | k.. thx :) |
| 19:31.53 | kd3 | here's the last update. he should have another soon: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/13568067081?page=45#900 |
| 19:32.23 | Ressy | aww.. poor poor IT. |
| 19:32.44 | Ressy | Apparently even the IT people in Austin are busy recovering data and helping out, via remote |
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| 19:35.36 | Mr_Rabies | agh the layout on that page is so broken |
| 19:35.43 | Mr_Rabies | http://i.imgur.com/l7NoS8h.png |
| 19:35.52 | VIad | yeah |
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| 19:41.27 | VIad | why does dissenchanting cards in HS give so little resources? it's ridiculus :P |
| 19:41.33 | VIad | 40 to craft 5 if you dissenchant woot? |
| 19:41.51 | VIad | you loose 8 times the price it was to buy it :P |
| 19:42.24 | Primer | lose* |
| 19:43.10 | VIad | looooose |
| 19:45.20 | VIad | http://news.rice.edu/2014/07/10/rices-silicon-oxide-memories-catch-manufacturers-eye-2/ |
| 20:06.41 | VIad | kd3: are we there yet? |
| 20:06.48 | kd3 | newp |
| 20:10.16 | kd3 | they're getting closer - feedback threads for new dungeons just went up |
| 20:10.17 | fewyn | the new cat form models are pretty awesome |
| 20:10.32 | VIad | new fewyn?! |
| 20:10.40 | fewyn | http://www.wowhead.com/news#. |
| 20:10.43 | fewyn | for the new level 100 talent |
| 20:11.11 | fewyn | i really like the snow leopard skin |
| 20:11.16 | fewyn | for worgen |
| 20:14.05 | Mr_Rabies | that is a buff cat-man |
| 20:14.05 | Mr_Rabies | no thanks |
| 20:21.40 | VIad | kd3: are we there yet? |
| 20:26.35 | Ressy | realms still not up |
| 20:27.08 | kd3 | keep an ear out for servers exploding in the distance. that'll be your clue that they're back up |
| 20:27.14 | Ressy | lol |
| 20:27.17 | Ressy | or were |
| 20:28.51 | VIad | wearwolf |
| 20:36.34 | Lopeppeppy_ | Ta, everypeople. Have a good weekend. |
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| 20:43.53 | kd3 | no news on beta realms: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/13568067081?page=55#1094 |
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| 21:16.24 | kd3 | ...hats? http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/14963399 |
| 21:19.39 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: how do I progress from the point where I keep all of the photos that are reasonably focused and composed and instead be more discerning and pick better shots. |
| 21:19.51 | jnwhiteh | I feel like I keep everything that I don't immediately reject |
| 21:20.00 | jnwhiteh | and then slim down the duplicates when there are some |
| 21:33.24 | kd3 | beta is live |
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| 22:07.08 | VIad | OH I GET IT :D |
| 22:07.32 | VIad | I can copy my characters from my US trial account to the beta xD |
| 22:07.41 | VIad | but not the characters from my EU realm |
| 22:07.48 | VIad | so the copy thing is working in-game |
| 22:09.06 | VIad | premade 100 you said? http://ss.bool.no/capture_1406326117.jpeg |
| 22:15.25 | kd3|hate`net | 100s are only going to be on the realms with level 100 in their name (the pve realm isn't yet up) |
| 22:17.22 | Shirik | omg https://github.com/gelstudios/gitfiti |
| 22:17.50 | Shirik | jnwhiteh: do you have lightroom? |
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| 22:20.43 | smcn | what's the macro command for using a talent row in beta? |
| 22:31.51 | Maldivia | VIad: EU pvp realm is the level 100 one |
| 22:32.41 | VIad | Maldivia: there is no EU anymore |
| 22:33.43 | VIad | you got "Beta Leveling Realm 01", "Beta Leveling Realm 02" and "Level 100 PvP" and none have level 100 for PvE - only the PvP realm |
| 22:34.16 | kd3|hate`net | they said a few times that the lvl100 pve realm isn't going up at launch, and they just took the pvp realm down for hardware issues |
| 22:34.29 | VIad | oki doki |
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| 23:16.17 | A-KO | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch5MEJk5ZCQ |
| 23:17.59 | Neffi | Does anyone know how (if possible) to get Sublime Text (3) to maintain the current indent level? That is, I don't want autoindent, but when I insert a newline, I want it to maintain the indentation of the existing line |
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| 23:31.43 | pompy | http://venturebeat.com/2014/07/24/googles-1b-purchase-of-twitch-confirmed-joins-youtube-for-new-video-empire/ |
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| 23:33.38 | Primer | yeah, that's been rumored for a while |
| 23:33.44 | Primer | guess it's now confirmed |
| 23:34.10 | pompy | yup |
| 23:34.17 | Primer | I've been using twitch a lot lately. Both streaming my RBGs and watching other people's streams |
| 23:34.33 | Primer | Except their ap STILL doesn't support chromecast |
| 23:34.40 | Primer | luckily there's Lakitu |
| 23:34.50 | Primer | I have 3 chromecasts |
| 23:34.54 | Primer | fucking best thing ever |
| 23:45.25 | Mr_Rabies | i think the biggest thing i'll miss when i leave the south is bojangles |
| 23:45.49 | Neffi | what is a bojangles? |
| 23:46.26 | Mr_Rabies | the best southern fried chicken place |
| 23:47.05 | Neffi | for some reason I thought you were from, like, Germany |
| 23:47.57 | Mr_Rabies | newp |
