| 00:07.09 | *** join/#wowuidev Arrowmaster (~Arrowmast@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/ResponsibleForEverythingAndNothing/Arrowmaster) |
| 00:08.42 | jleclanche | man this code is so voodoo, i wrote it yesterday i already forgot how the f it works |
| 00:11.53 | Semlar | welcome to my world |
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| 00:16.59 | Primer | hrmm, so I rsync'd my addons and WTF over to my Linux box at work, and my TipTac tooltips for hovering over people have the health and mana bars covering the bottom 2 rows of text in the tooltip |
| 00:18.38 | Primer | WOW!! Skype fucking fails! You can only use pulseaudio with the latest 4.3 for Linux! |
| 00:18.45 | Primer | They removed alsa support |
| 00:18.51 | Primer | that is total bullshit |
| 00:19.18 | Semlar | skype is also about to break old versions and doesn't support skype4com in the new versions |
| 00:19.25 | Semlar | so you can't use the api |
| 00:19.51 | Semlar | which is going to break one of the only reasons i use skype |
| 00:21.17 | Simca | if they make it so that Skype doesn't crash every 2 days that'd be great |
| 00:21.41 | Simca | hilariously after using IE policy settings to block apps.skype.com, mine seems 100x more stable |
| 00:22.09 | Semlar | i'm using like skype 5.10 or something |
| 00:22.30 | Semlar | but apparently they're going to implement some change that will prevent older versions from even functioning |
| 00:22.50 | Semlar | which is too bad because they make skype worse with every update |
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| 00:23.23 | Primer | well, I only have Linux here at the office, and I'm expected to be able to converse with people over skype for work related shit |
| 00:23.31 | Primer | this removal of alsa is a deal-breaker for me |
| 00:23.39 | Primer | I simply refuse to use pulse |
| 00:23.43 | Primer | it just sounds like shit |
| 00:23.45 | Primer | always has |
| 00:24.16 | Primer | now, if there was a way to sandbox it and run pulse, and have pulse ONLY be used by skype... |
| 00:24.31 | Primer | I mean, without a full VM or lxc/docker |
| 00:25.09 | Primer | but for now I just want to fix my fucking TipTac bars covering the text in the tooltip |
| 00:29.07 | jleclanche | Primer: pulse is fine. |
| 00:29.24 | jleclanche | "it just sounds like shit" is the most bullshit ive heard about pulse this year |
| 00:29.32 | Primer | wrong |
| 00:29.37 | jleclanche | way to argue, 10/10 |
| 00:29.42 | zenzelezz | finally got around to installing linux on the/a new computer... debating whether to keep the two 4 TB drives separate or set them up in a volume group |
| 00:29.44 | Primer | there is a noticeable difference in audio quality |
| 00:30.52 | Esamynn|work | zenzelezz: unless you're mirroring in some fashion don't combine them |
| 00:31.01 | Esamynn|work | you'd just be asking for trouble |
| 00:31.18 | jleclanche | you know what i wish everyone who ever complained about pulse actually took the time to go and complain to actual pulse devs about it, so that they either get told off on their BS or the bugs actually get fixed |
| 00:31.19 | jleclanche | its a win/win |
| 00:31.26 | Esamynn|work | since, in that kind of situation, when one fails, you often lose the entire volume |
| 00:32.23 | Primer | jleclanche: And what makes you think I haven't? |
| 00:32.23 | zenzelezz | Esamynn|work: fair point |
| 00:32.45 | jleclanche | Primer: then please link me to what you're talking about instead of just being super arbitrary and vague |
| 00:32.54 | zenzelezz | jleclanche: sorry to interrupt your discussion, but what was that WM you linked some time ago? |
| 00:33.01 | jleclanche | zenzelezz: openbox? |
| 00:33.21 | Primer | jleclanche: no |
| 00:33.22 | zenzelezz | thought it was called something else, but I'll check that out |
| 00:33.41 | jleclanche | Primer: this "no" makes me think you havent then, to answer your question |
| 00:34.39 | Primer | jleclanche: well, if their IRC channel has logs, feel free to look |
| 00:34.50 | zenzelezz | jleclanche: razor, that was the one I was thinking of. LXQt now it seems |
| 00:35.09 | jleclanche | zenzelezz: lxqt and razor are desktop environments, we use openbox officially |
| 00:35.26 | Primer | uses openbox |
| 00:35.28 | zenzelezz | oh? I misunderstood it then |
| 00:35.29 | jleclanche | though trying to switch to kwin slowly |
| 00:35.31 | zenzelezz | but I'll try it anyway |
| 00:35.37 | jleclanche | zenzelezz: http://lxqt.org |
| 00:35.47 | zenzelezz | cheers |
| 00:35.53 | jleclanche | we're nearing a new stable release, i recommend getting things from git. |
| 00:36.20 | zenzelezz | I'm on Slackware, I live for the pain of compiling things |
| 00:36.55 | jleclanche | it compiles fast |
| 00:37.38 | zenzelezz | went from using a regular HDD on the old (this) computer to and SSD on the new one... everything feels like it compiles fast now =D But the faster the better :) |
| 00:37.42 | jleclanche | man i cant fucking wait for wayland |
| 00:37.51 | jleclanche | x11 system trays are serious bullshit |
| 00:38.12 | zenzelezz | I thought Wayland was in some state of done? Heard something about XWayland recently, but don't recall the context |
| 00:38.42 | Primer | That's why I like openbox. I make my desktop work exactly how I want it to. There are no toolbars, trays, none of that shit. |
| 00:39.14 | jleclanche | zenzelezz: xwayland is part of xorg core now with 1.16. great stuff |
| 00:39.34 | jleclanche | zenzelezz: and yes it is "more or less done". gtk and qt have full support for it, gnome can boot on wayland etc |
| 00:40.01 | jleclanche | but we still have app compatibility to catch up on. i think i will be switching to it within 6 months or so |
| 00:40.31 | Primer | jleclanche: who is "we", btw? |
| 00:40.44 | jleclanche | "we" as in the linux community in that sentence |
| 00:41.05 | jleclanche | in the previous sentence, "we" as in lxqt |
| 00:41.15 | Primer | that was the one I was wondering about |
| 00:41.21 | Primer | the previous |
| 00:42.36 | jleclanche | working with pyqt gives me this constant dilemma; do i use stdlib or qt functionality for things like multithreading etc |
| 00:43.13 | Shirik | you're using python |
| 00:43.15 | Shirik | you're using qt |
| 00:43.21 | Shirik | why would you do this |
| 00:43.26 | zenzelezz | C stdlib or python stdlib? (I don't know python) |
| 00:43.40 | jleclanche | Shirik: because im not a fucking psycho who enjoys wasting time in c/gtk? |
| 00:43.45 | Shirik | also, standard library, always |
| 00:44.08 | Shirik | minimize your dependencies |
| 00:44.24 | Primer | plus I thought threading in python was a hack |
| 00:44.29 | jleclanche | its not that simple Shirik |
| 00:44.33 | jleclanche | threading in python *is* a hack |
| 00:44.50 | jleclanche | qt's multithreading is much better and interfaces better with QApplications |
| 00:45.01 | jleclanche | but yes, minimize dependencies and so on |
| 00:45.01 | jleclanche | argh |
| 00:45.11 | Primer | ugh |
| 00:45.18 | Primer | ok, fired up some music |
| 00:45.23 | Primer | popping and crackling... |
| 00:45.29 | jleclanche | Primer: fix your setup |
| 00:45.44 | jleclanche | "popping" and "crackling" = misconfigured pulse setup |
| 00:45.55 | Esamynn|work | that's what you get for inviting over the rice cripsy brothers :P |
| 00:46.31 | Shirik | I think jleclanche's reasoning is more sound |
| 00:47.00 | jleclanche | Shirik: well Primer's is more noise than sound at this point |
| 00:47.04 | jleclanche | get it? cause pulse |
| 00:47.13 | Primer | jleclanche: I know that pulse is the future. In fact, I endorse its use, seeing that we will never standardize on shit like this being done in hardware, as it once was. |
| 00:47.33 | jleclanche | hardwhat? |
| 00:47.34 | Primer | But after so many years, you'd think the pulse people would get it right at some point. |
| 00:47.37 | jleclanche | that thing thats not open source? :P |
| 00:47.53 | jleclanche | its hard enough standardizing in software |
| 00:48.14 | Primer | jleclanche: surely you remember the days before software mixing in Linux? |
| 00:48.18 | Shirik | what do you mean |
| 00:48.24 | Primer | where you could only run sound at at a time? |
| 00:48.25 | Shirik | my sound is almost entirely handled in hardware |
| 00:48.32 | Primer | at least until shit like the emu10k1 |
| 00:48.41 | jleclanche | Primer: im not old enough to have had to deal with it on a daily basis but yes, i do remember the issues |
| 00:48.56 | Primer | which supported mixing in hardware |
| 00:49.05 | zenzelezz | while not quite the same, I remember when you had to configure games to use the right IRQ and stuff for the sound card. "You sound card works perfectly." |
| 00:49.09 | Shirik | Linux has Jack, Windows has ASIO |
| 00:49.17 | Primer | well, that went back to the days of OSS too |
| 00:49.19 | Shirik | standards |
| 00:49.22 | Primer | before ALSA |
| 00:49.30 | jleclanche | even windows has like 5 different fucking sound interfaces |
| 00:49.34 | Shirik | no |
| 00:49.36 | jleclanche | nobody can get sound right |
| 00:49.36 | Shirik | Windows has ASIO |
| 00:49.46 | Shirik | and then all the other shitty ones |
| 00:49.50 | Shirik | that nobody should be using |
| 00:50.06 | jleclanche | hows that different from "linux has pulse and all the other shitty ones"? |
| 00:50.12 | Shirik | it's not :D |
| 00:50.25 | Shirik | though ASIO is more equivalent to Jack |
| 00:50.39 | jleclanche | yeah i dont know how either of those entered the equation |
| 00:51.03 | Primer | ok, so pulse is now setting my meters... |
| 00:51.10 | Primer | front: 100% |
| 00:51.17 | Primer | which causes popping and crackling |
| 00:51.55 | Kesava | JUST AN OFF TOPIC FYI |
| 00:52.04 | Primer | the meters on the alsa device, that is |
| 00:52.05 | Kesava | my wowi tracking ID (00005) has been flagged for beta now yay |
| 00:52.13 | Kesava | (ty Cairenn etc) |
| 00:52.25 | Cairenn | :) |
| 00:53.07 | zenzelezz | ShadniX: every time you say ASIO, I think "boost ASIO" |
| 00:53.10 | zenzelezz | ... Shirik |
| 00:53.36 | zenzelezz | I'll take this as a sign that it's time to get some sleep |
| 00:53.38 | Esamynn|work | Kesava: thank you for your tracking ID, I will now steal your life... |
| 00:53.45 | Shirik | the fact that you ever think of boost is a sign of illness |
| 00:53.49 | Shirik | you should definitely get some sleep |
| 00:54.22 | Semlar | hey i'm 00006 where's my beta |
| 00:54.49 | zenzelezz | Shirik: you don't like boost? |
| 00:54.54 | Shirik | no |
| 00:55.09 | zenzelezz | how come? |
| 00:55.41 | Torhal | ships a velociraptor to Semlar in lieu of the beta. |
| 00:55.44 | Shirik | in the most general sense, it is a bloated mess. There are aspects which are good, and it did drive some really good innovation in the C++ standard |
| 00:55.52 | Shirik | but especially now that that stuff is standard, there is no good reason to use boost |
| 00:56.02 | zenzelezz | "bloated mess" as in "I don't know how to choose so I include everything"? |
| 00:56.15 | Semlar | i bet i could get mad cash for a velociraptor |
| 00:56.23 | Esamynn|work | ^ |
| 00:56.25 | Shirik | even things that should be generally very simple can cause a massive include chain to occur |
| 00:56.26 | zenzelezz | while I don't use ASIO, C++ doesn't have anything like it in the standard |
| 00:56.45 | Esamynn|work | Semlar: however, you'd have to not get killed, first |
| 00:57.06 | Semlar | they're like the size of a housecat, i got this |
| 00:57.24 | Shirik | ASIO's pretty big so I'm sure there are things left out |
| 00:57.29 | Esamynn|work | Semlar: O_o |
| 00:57.31 | Torhal | Have you not seen a housecat completely fuck a person up? |
| 00:57.33 | Esamynn|work | http://xkcd.com/87/ |
| 00:57.35 | Shirik | but the C++ standard's tasking model covers a lot of it |
| 00:57.55 | pnorman | Some of the stuff I'm using Boost for are in C++11, but Centos 6 doesn't have a modern compiler. |
| 00:57.56 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:58.13 | Torhal | Yes, Jurassic Park lied. |
| 00:58.25 | zenzelezz | Shirik: networking is (to me) the big part of ASIO |
| 00:58.28 | Semlar | you think they would do that, just make a movie and lie? |
| 00:58.48 | Esamynn|work | well, the things you learn |
| 00:58.50 | pnorman | Semlar: So about the size of a large angry Canada Goose? That's actually pretty scary. |
| 00:58.55 | Primer | pnorman: Centos X doesn't have modern _anything_ |
| 00:58.55 | zenzelezz | don't recall what else I used to use in boost |
| 00:59.00 | Primer | it's like Debian |
| 00:59.03 | Esamynn|work | pnorman: indeed |
| 00:59.06 | Primer | nothing modern |
| 00:59.14 | Shirik | C++17 should have the networking problem solved; it was supposed to go into C++11 but turned out to be too big of a problem to tackle right away |
| 00:59.30 | Shirik | and C++14 won't have it purely because it's not supposed to be a feature update |
| 00:59.31 | zenzelezz | C++17 doesn't really help you right now though :-p |
| 00:59.38 | Semlar | i bet i could take a velociraptor |
| 00:59.50 | Amarande | well, the nice thing about computer languages is that libraries are infinitely expandable, zenzelezz :) |
| 00:59.58 | Esamynn|work | Semlar: I'd take that bet |
| 01:00.06 | Semlar | with a frying pan |
| 01:00.07 | zenzelezz | Amarande: that's where this whole thing started |
| 01:00.16 | Amarande | after all, you could even do a full scale network implementation in Brainfuck if you wanted to :) |
| 01:00.45 | zenzelezz | Amarande: look up maybe 30 lines and you'll see this started when I first spoke of the boost libraries |
| 01:00.50 | Esamynn|work | Semlar: no, no tools... just you |
| 01:00.54 | Amarande | Mind you, by the time you were done, you'd probably be a huddling mass in the corner of a room in an institution, next to the guy who used chocolate for thermal compound with that Thermaltake slim cooler that's worse than the Intel stock one ... heh |
| 01:02.01 | Semlar | that's hardly a fair fight, humans need their tools |
| 01:02.15 | Esamynn|work | pfft, who said I was going for fair? |
| 01:02.32 | Semlar | i could probably still kill it but it would scratch the hell out of me |
| 01:02.43 | Amarande | (apparently, hardwaresecrets tested chocolate as a thermal compound once and found it to actually not only suck, but actually suck worse than not having ANY thermal compound ...) |
| 01:03.02 | Esamynn|work | shocking! |
| 01:03.05 | Shirik | well |
| 01:03.10 | Shirik | it turns out that insulators are not exactly good conductors |
| 01:03.26 | Mr_Rabies | hardware secrets owns for thermal paste testing |
| 01:03.34 | Mr_Rabies | they also use lipstick and uh |
| 01:03.40 | Amarande | yeah, but can you imagine chocolate being even more of an insulator than air gap? |
| 01:03.44 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: Diaper ointment |
| 01:03.45 | Mr_Rabies | i forget what else |
| 01:03.51 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 01:03.52 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 01:04.02 | Esamynn|work | rofl |
| 01:04.05 | Amarande | And both the lipstick and the diaper ointment are apparently actually better than one of the actual thermal compounds tested |
| 01:04.13 | Amarande | some Rosewill offering that bills itself as "pro" ... LOL |
| 01:04.46 | Semlar | over what period of time |
| 01:04.48 | Shirik | Amarande: sugar is actually a very good insulator |
| 01:05.01 | Semlar | i have a hard time believing something like that wouldn't degrade |
| 01:05.03 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Thermal-Compound-Roundup-October-2011/1396 |
| 01:05.16 | Mr_Rabies | mayo is a better coolant than many commerical offerings lol |
| 01:05.20 | p3lim | is there a macro conditional that allow us to see what role the player's spec is? |
| 01:05.30 | Mr_Rabies | er |
| 01:05.32 | Mr_Rabies | not coolant |
| 01:05.39 | Semlar | there's like a spec:1 or something condition |
| 01:05.40 | Mr_Rabies | thermal compound |
| 01:05.43 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: initially, as in it's a pretty good emergency solution |
| 01:05.45 | Semlar | i think |
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| 01:05.49 | Amarande | you don't want to use it for any length of time though |
| 01:06.12 | Semlar | p3lim: [spec:1/2] |
| 01:06.34 | p3lim | That conditional is not accurate to what role the player has |
| 01:06.42 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/imageview.php,qimage=39371.pagespeed.ce.0bm7-wC7r9.gif |
| 01:06.45 | Semlar | no there isn't a way to see the role |
| 01:06.50 | p3lim | I want to display different raid layouts depending on the player's role basically |
| 01:06.52 | Semlar | only which spec is active |
| 01:07.22 | Semlar | well you could set it up out of combat |
| 01:07.26 | Neffi | p3lim: what you'll need to do is create those layouts manuall, while out of combat |
| 01:07.32 | Amarande | yeah, whoever made that Rosewill RCX-TC060PRO formulation is probably looking for a job around now, LOL |
| 01:07.45 | Semlar | you can't change specs in combat anyway |
| 01:07.49 | p3lim | which is what I'm currently doing, just wondering if there were some secure way of doing it better |
| 01:07.56 | Semlar | no need |
| 01:07.58 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/imageview.php?image=55605 cpu after 12 days of mayo, |
| 01:08.00 | Neffi | you can change roles in combat, no? |
| 01:08.14 | Semlar | you role is based on your spec so |
| 01:08.17 | Amarande | lately I tend to prefer Ceramique 2 |
| 01:08.22 | p3lim | you can't, but a macro conditional would save a lot of work as well :p |
| 01:08.22 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/imageview.php?image=55606 cooler after 12 days of mayo |
| 01:08.34 | Amarande | I also have AS5, but nervousness suggests using Ceramique 2 for Intel and AS5 for AMD processors and not the other way round :) |
| 01:08.35 | kd3 | if you have off-healing spells available to you, sure, but you can't change talents/specs in combat |
| 01:08.37 | Neffi | Amarande: Gelid GC-Extreme |
| 01:08.48 | Semlar | they should really just remove the ability to manually set your role and automatically do it based on your spec |
| 01:08.49 | Neffi | performs better under tests than anything else I know of |
| 01:08.55 | Semlar | because every spec is a very specific role now |
| 01:09.06 | Dagmar | Mr_Rabies: Please tell me that's a brand name |
| 01:09.17 | Wobin | Shirik: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yzxh1ubAoko&feature=youtu.be |
| 01:09.20 | Dagmar | Please tell me you did not use fucking mayonnaise as thermal grease |
| 01:09.26 | Mr_Rabies | Hellman's |
| 01:09.29 | Wobin | Mmmm |
| 01:09.29 | Mr_Rabies | :D |
| 01:09.31 | kd3 | they did, yah |
| 01:09.32 | Dagmar | I dont' care if it's a lie |
| 01:09.32 | Neffi | Dagmar: look at that coagulated fat. The brown gunk. That's real mayo I think |
| 01:09.43 | Mr_Rabies | it is, hardware secrets tested mayo for 12 days |
| 01:09.49 | Amarande | Dagmar: HardwareSecrets tests practically everything that you might imagine, heh |
| 01:09.54 | Mr_Rabies | worked pretty well but broke down in that time |
| 01:10.01 | Dagmar | FFS why? To prove they could do a better job at it than Dell? |
| 01:10.10 | Neffi | not surprising it broke down. not surprising it worked better than expected |
| 01:10.16 | p3lim | oh sweet, I got beta access! :D |
| 01:10.25 | jleclanche | https://github.com/jleclanche/parrot-companion/commits/master i do love well-crafted APIs |
| 01:10.36 | Neffi | I hear toothpaste performs pretty well. I think HWS did that test |
| 01:11.02 | Semlar | i hear thermal grease works pretty well |
| 01:11.03 | Amarande | Neffi: Toothpaste waned pretty quickly |
| 01:11.20 | p3lim | Chocolate as a thermal compound is also great |
| 01:11.21 | Amarande | like, within 12 hours it was worse even than the Rosewill stuff |
| 01:11.25 | p3lim | ... for like 1 minute |
| 01:11.28 | Amarande | still a far cry better than nothing, though |
| 01:11.36 | Amarande | p3lim: chocolate was the one thing that performed WORSE than airgap :p |
| 01:11.45 | p3lim | xD |
| 01:11.58 | Mr_Rabies | Dagmar: it actually did better than a lot of commercial offerings initially |
| 01:12.00 | Semlar | who even sells a heatsink without thermal compound on it |
| 01:12.08 | p3lim | I remember reading a test with like 20 compounds and 10 or so random household items |
| 01:12.15 | Amarande | Semlar: I'm not sure I know any that don't include thermal compound at all |
| 01:12.24 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/imageview.php,qimage=43088.pagespeed.ce.4cSSEM6Z_m.gif here's a more recent test |
| 01:12.26 | Neffi | Semlar: lazy people use stock compund |
| 01:12.34 | Semlar | the stock compound is fine.. |
| 01:12.40 | Mr_Rabies | i use stock compound :p |
| 01:12.42 | Amarande | some bundle it in a container (if you're lucky, a tube a la Arctic, such as how Akasa does things, if you're unlucky, it's a one use squeeze thingy like Xigmatek) |
| 01:12.43 | Gragagrogog | rofl. chocolate :D |
| 01:12.44 | Dagmar | You would do better to just get some really fine sandpaper and "lap it" as the British say |
| 01:12.51 | Amarande | some put it on the heatsink initially |
| 01:12.57 | p3lim | I use NT-H1 myself |
| 01:12.58 | Mr_Rabies | stock cooler, stock compound |
| 01:13.02 | Amarande | Dagmar: direct-contact heatpipes can't be lapped :p |
| 01:13.03 | Esamynn|work | what I get from that compound is that it really doesn't make a big difference which you use :P |
| 01:13.07 | p3lim | With a CM V8 |
| 01:13.10 | Esamynn|work | err, chart |
| 01:13.14 | Mr_Rabies | going on uh, 6 years |
| 01:13.19 | Amarande | Semlar: thing is, you can only use the stock compound the once |
| 01:13.22 | Shirik | interesting predictions from 50 years ago: 2. Contraception and control of disease is revising relations between the sexes to an extent that will change our entire social and economic structure. |
| 01:13.29 | Shirik | 11. Your personal telephone will be small enough to carry in your handbag. Your house telephone will record messages, answer simple inquiries, and transmit vision. |
| 01:13.30 | Dagmar | Amarande: Suuure they can't |
| 01:13.36 | Neffi | Dagmar: I'd rather use toothpaste than lap. Lapping is fucking stupid |
| 01:13.37 | Amarande | if you need to, say, move your cpu to a new motherboard, you need to redo the TC |
| 01:13.56 | Semlar | i have never had to move a cpu to a new board |
| 01:13.57 | Dagmar | I'd start with 1000-grit and work my way up to toothpaste |
| 01:14.04 | Mr_Rabies | oh yeah, for sure Amarande |
| 01:14.12 | Amarande | Shirik: ever read a short story from the mid 1940s called "A Logic Named Joe"? |
| 01:14.17 | Mr_Rabies | i'd go to the computer shop i sometimes work at and grab some of their ceramique if i needed to |
| 01:14.18 | Mr_Rabies | but i don't |
| 01:14.22 | Amarande | It basically predicts the modern Internet almost exactly |
| 01:14.33 | Mr_Rabies | i probably will never move this cpu |
| 01:14.36 | Shirik | nope |
| 01:14.38 | Shirik | sounds interesting |
| 01:14.39 | Amarande | ... right down to being used for porn and shady stuff |
| 01:14.44 | Dagmar | You should probably go to newegg and get a tube of arctic silver |
| 01:14.49 | Amarande | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Logic_Named_Joe |
| 01:14.50 | Neffi | You don't have paste lying around? Usually they give you way too much of it |
| 01:14.54 | Dagmar | $7 for basically a lifetime supply. heh |
| 01:14.58 | Neffi | I have enough AS5 here to do like 10 CPUs |
| 01:15.04 | Mr_Rabies | nope, i used stock paste on mine |
| 01:15.21 | Neffi | the pre-applied stuff? I'm very iffy on that |
| 01:15.27 | Mr_Rabies | it's already on the stock intel cpus, though it's not amazing |
| 01:15.27 | Dagmar | Smear it on just barely thin enough to be opaque. Done. |
| 01:15.44 | Semlar | the paste that comes with the heatsink performs perfectly fine |
| 01:15.44 | Neffi | Dagmar: Single pea sized grain. Squash down. Pushes out air bubbles |
| 01:15.55 | Mr_Rabies | that's why i loved the uh |
| 01:16.00 | Mr_Rabies | what was it, diamond something |
| 01:16.07 | Mr_Rabies | we used to use, lemme see |
| 01:16.17 | Dagmar | I would say a pea-sized amount is much more than enough |
| 01:16.18 | Mr_Rabies | IC Diamond |
| 01:16.22 | Neffi | Tuniq makes a diamond compound |
| 01:16.32 | Neffi | Dagmar: A small uncooked pea ;) |
| 01:16.34 | Amarande | yeah, diamond is actually much more conductive than most other TC substances, even silver |
| 01:16.43 | Mr_Rabies | you could use as much as you wanted and not have to worry about conductivity or anything |
| 01:16.48 | Mr_Rabies | not electrically conductive |
| 01:16.53 | Mr_Rabies | but heat conductive, yeah |
| 01:16.58 | Amarande | and yeah, a full sized pea of AS5 ... better head to newegg now and search for Motherboards |
| 01:17.01 | Neffi | but I've yet to see the diamond stuff on sale anywhere, so I got AS5 |
| 01:17.02 | Amarande | you're gonna need one, if you're on Intel anyway LOL |
| 01:17.15 | Mr_Rabies | i'm on the stock cooler and compound my i7 920 shipped with |
| 01:17.17 | Mr_Rabies | still |
| 01:17.21 | Mr_Rabies | no problems with heat |
| 01:17.28 | Amarande | Like I said ... I like Ceramique 2 for Intel and AS5 for AMD now |
| 01:17.28 | Mr_Rabies | but i have a nice case with a lot of big fans |
| 01:17.32 | Neffi | Amarande: I had no problem. Use a small dab. It's a soldered CPU so no lid. Works just fine. |
| 01:17.40 | Amarande | and yes, there's a specific logic to that one, it's basically an insurance just in case you fuck up :) |
| 01:17.42 | Neffi | Just don't be a sloppy dolt and get it all over exposed wires/caps |
| 01:17.55 | Mr_Rabies | some guy that checked his pc into the computer shop |
| 01:18.08 | Amarande | Insulative for Intel, because if you screw up with Intel then the stuff is going to get between your LGA pins, where a capacitive TC would be bad news |
| 01:18.28 | Amarande | Capacitive/conductive for AMD, because if you screw up with AMD and it gets in the socket, worst case scenario is it blocks a pin contact |
| 01:18.31 | Neffi | Conductive* |
| 01:18.33 | Amarande | i.e., insulative would be bad |
| 01:18.35 | Dagmar | Don't be that sloppy, ever |
| 01:18.37 | Mr_Rabies | his motherboard looked like someone impaled the the silver surfer directly over it |
| 01:18.40 | Mr_Rabies | i have no idea how it even turned on |
| 01:18.41 | Dagmar | Good lord |
| 01:18.48 | Mr_Rabies | he used like |
| 01:18.54 | Mr_Rabies | probably a whole small tube of the stuff |
| 01:18.55 | Neffi | If you manage to get your paste on the pins, you have no business opening up a computer to begin with |
| 01:19.01 | Mr_Rabies | it was on the RAM |
| 01:19.07 | Dagmar | Yeah that's why I smear it on super-thin and then slide the thing around a bit before I lock it into place |
| 01:19.11 | Esamynn|work | what Neffi said |
| 01:19.43 | Mr_Rabies | it was EVERYWHERE |
| 01:19.46 | Dagmar | If it's squirting out the edges like a jelly sandwich, you're still using too much |
| 01:19.47 | Dagmar | heh |
| 01:19.53 | Mr_Rabies | somehow we managed to get it all cleaned up and it worked fine afterwards |
| 01:19.56 | jleclanche | Primer: do you know if its possible to automatically start an app when a device is connected (eg watch over udev)? |
| 01:20.01 | Mr_Rabies | also the cooler wasn't clipped in properly |
| 01:20.04 | Mr_Rabies | it was half unclipped |
| 01:20.09 | Dagmar | jleclanche: It's possible, although inadvisable |
| 01:20.13 | Primer | jleclanche: surely |
| 01:20.15 | Arrowmaster | jleclanche: udev rule should do that |
| 01:20.16 | Esamynn|work | an old plastic card, lke and old CC or other card like that is a really good tool to scrap away extra |
| 01:20.20 | jleclanche | awesome |
| 01:20.22 | Primer | yes, a udev rule |
| 01:20.38 | Mr_Rabies | plastic putty knives are the best for that, Esamynn|Away |
| 01:20.40 | jleclanche | does that include eg when a specific bluetooth device is connected? |
| 01:20.40 | Dagmar | Esamynn: I use rubbing alcohol |
| 01:20.57 | Arrowmaster | rubbing alcohol on a qtip |
| 01:20.58 | jleclanche | I have an app specific to my headset. i want to start the app when the headset is connected, exit it when it's disconnected |
| 01:21.07 | Dagmar | jleclanche: Connected to bluetooth over radio, no. Plugging in a bluetooth dongle, yes. |
| 01:21.14 | Mr_Rabies | but honestly when we used IC Diamond, i could just go nuts and not worry about it |
| 01:21.15 | Esamynn|work | Dagmar: I meant excess on the contact surface |
| 01:21.17 | Mr_Rabies | i love that stuff |
| 01:21.21 | Esamynn|work | Mr_Rabies: I would imagine so |
| 01:21.30 | jleclanche | Dagmar: the former. how would you advise doing that? |
| 01:21.31 | Esamynn|work | but I don't have one of those lying around ;) |
| 01:21.32 | Dagmar | Esamynn: Ahhh.. I just use a bit of cardboard from the CPU box. :) |
| 01:21.32 | Mr_Rabies | we switched to ceramique because IC Diamond got really expensive at some point |
| 01:22.45 | Dagmar | Wait.. it *might* be possible depending on what type of device you're connecting |
| 01:22.50 | jleclanche | headset |
| 01:23.02 | Dagmar | You'd have to tie it to the existence of the resulting virtual devices |
| 01:23.06 | jleclanche | watching over udev sounded super pretty |
| 01:23.06 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: cooler not clipped in properly ... intel stock cooler? |
| 01:23.13 | Mr_Rabies | nope |
| 01:23.20 | Mr_Rabies | it was a custom one, and he did miserably |
| 01:23.21 | jleclanche | oh well ill worry about it another time |
| 01:23.30 | Mr_Rabies | it was a cheapo custom one that looked worse than the intel ones |
| 01:23.47 | Dagmar | It likely creates an audio device that will have some node numbers |
| 01:23.53 | Mr_Rabies | it was like half the weight and the fan looked cheap as all hell |
| 01:24.09 | Dagmar | It would probably be interesting to turn debugging way up and then hotplug it to see what udev sees as those devices come up |
| 01:24.24 | Amarande | ... wow |
| 01:24.30 | Amarande | it's not very easy to make something worse than the intel stock cooler |
| 01:24.48 | Amarande | seriously, I ended up having to buy aftermarket cooling for this machine |
| 01:24.54 | Amarande | and I'm running a Xeon E3 that isn't, and can't even be, OCd |
| 01:25.00 | nebula169 | i was cleaning some icd7 off the side of the socket in my last build and a ball fell into the pins ;[ too paranoid to ever try using it again |
| 01:25.03 | Mr_Rabies | honestly, the intel stock cooler really isn't bad if your system is properly cooled in the first place |
| 01:25.09 | Dagmar | I can't help but think they should have tried to test the cooling properties of a half-lemon |
| 01:25.31 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: it easily falls very flat with haswell, apparently |
| 01:25.44 | Amarande | also, it doesn't really seem meant to be used at full load, even at stock clocks |
| 01:26.02 | Amarande | not on the quads, anyway. I refuse to believe 90-100C is actually a safe temperature, even if Intel doesn't throttle till 100 |
| 01:26.17 | Dagmar | Oh come now |
| 01:26.36 | Dagmar | Surviving high temps is a thing that can be done, but it sacrifices either speed or longevity |
| 01:26.40 | Semlar | the stock intel cooler is fine |
| 01:26.54 | Mr_Rabies | my cpu barely changes in temp from idle to load |
| 01:26.54 | Dagmar | I had a K6-2 450 that was an awesome juggernaut of heat generation |
| 01:26.56 | *** join/#wowuidev ShadniX (dagger@p5DDFF391.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 01:27.08 | Dagmar | It ran 154F at _50% load_ |
| 01:27.12 | Dagmar | er 165F |
| 01:27.14 | Mr_Rabies | it idles pretty high, like 45C, but only gets to like 52C under load |
| 01:27.33 | Dagmar | That's 73C. |
| 01:27.36 | Amarande | my haswell idles around 30C-ish |
| 01:28.02 | Amarande | but on the stock cooler it would go to 90C under a "normal" full load (e.g., just random software like a multicore chess engine picked out to quickly peg the processor) |
| 01:28.14 | Dagmar | I didn't even realize it was getting that hot until I burned myself on the heat sink |
| 01:28.14 | Amarande | and on a torture load like prime95 it would go to 100C and throttle on three cores |
| 01:28.26 | jleclanche | Dagmar: over the past two days ive been discovering the horrors of bluetooth headsets :( this thing has amazing hardware, but its microphone only realistically works with specific apps on specific phones |
| 01:28.49 | Amarande | with the Akasa Venom Voodoo cooler I use now, it gets to 60C under a "normal" full load (with stock it would get to 60C just playing wow, say), and only 75C even under prime95 |
| 01:28.55 | Amarande | it doesn't even drop out of turbo on torture tests now |
| 01:29.01 | Mr_Rabies | i used to use a phone headset for my computer chattes |
| 01:29.08 | Amarande | Dagmar: part of the issue with Haswell especially is AVX and AVX2 |
| 01:29.09 | Mr_Rabies | it was pretty spotty |
| 01:29.11 | Dagmar | jleclanche: Really? That's interesting. You are aware there's two different methods of doing audio like like, right? Like, A2DP is not going to be your friend for this |
| 01:29.17 | jleclanche | yes |
| 01:29.17 | Semlar | i don't know how you managed to get 90C with the stock heatsink |
| 01:29.30 | Amarande | the processor's voltage regulator is designed to overvolt the processor by as much as a full 0.1V increase when AVX instructions are in use, which Prime95 uses heavily |
| 01:29.31 | jleclanche | Dagmar: for microphone compatibility, it needs the "hands free" bluetooth profile which, since bluez 5.x is no longer available in stock bluez. in windows its straight up not possible without custom drivers |
| 01:29.48 | Mr_Rabies | the battery would die after like 4 hours, then i could plug it in and use it but i sounded like a being made of pure lightning energy if i talked with it plugged in |
| 01:29.50 | Amarande | so a full load with AVX in use can increase temps by 15C over a "normal" full load with ease |
| 01:29.52 | jleclanche | Dagmar: HSP/HSF are no longer in bluez5 basically. they recommend ofono, which is fucking insane |
| 01:29.55 | Dagmar | Odd. I use all kinds of earpieces with my desktop |
| 01:30.02 | Dagmar | Oh wow |
| 01:30.03 | Dagmar | Ouch |
| 01:30.14 | Mr_Rabies | Semlar: magic shell thermal compound |
| 01:30.28 | jleclanche | Dagmar: see http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Notes/5.0/ (bluez 5 support) |
| 01:30.33 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: nope, I was using ceramique 2 |
| 01:30.41 | Amarande | Semlar: haswell, apparently with a bad roll on the thermal lottery |
| 01:30.56 | Amarande | haswell is notoriously wide-varying in load temps from cpu to cpu, largely because intel dropped the ball on assembly this time around |
| 01:31.24 | Semlar | i have a water cooler on my cpu |
| 01:31.26 | Amarande | they used thermal grease under the IHS (like they did with ivy), but on top of that, they were very wildly inconsistent about how well it was applied, or about the thickness of the glue holding the IHS on |
| 01:31.41 | Amarande | I'm actually probably lucky I didn't have to delid |
| 01:32.01 | Esamynn|work | Semlar: I went full on water cooling for the last box I built. not sure I'll ever bother again |
| 01:32.04 | Amarande | plus the VRM being moved onto the cpu die increases heat, and haswell introduced avx2 with is even more heat-torturey than avx was |
| 01:32.18 | Semlar | Esamynn: i just have it on the cpu |
| 01:32.26 | Semlar | closed system |
| 01:32.35 | Esamynn|work | why? |
| 01:32.39 | jleclanche | Dagmar: another pain point: the parrot zik has volume control (through a touch interface) but it seems to be hardware/firmware volume. it doesnt send any input =( |
| 01:32.47 | Amarande | apparently closed loop water cooling isn't really all that |
| 01:32.59 | Amarande | it's about the same as high end air ... its main advantage is not having to find space for a huge airblock |
| 01:33.09 | Semlar | well there you go |
| 01:33.11 | Amarande | speaking of delidding, I ended up having to delid my RAM, heh |
| 01:33.25 | Mr_Rabies | ram coolers are terrible |
| 01:33.30 | Amarande | otherwise I wasn't able to get the DIMMs to fit in properly in dual channel formation |
| 01:33.31 | Semlar | it's like having high end air cooling without a giant heatsink hanging off your motherboard |
| 01:33.32 | Esamynn|work | my entire goal with water cooling was silent, even under load... and the primary target there is the GPU |
| 01:33.43 | Semlar | oh yeah it's silent too, that's nice |
| 01:33.46 | Mr_Rabies | most of them are worse than just not having the cooler on at all |
| 01:34.05 | Mr_Rabies | they're just marketing junk |
| 01:34.15 | Amarande | yeah, apparently you need to be at at least DDR3-2000 and/or 1.65V for heatsinks to be worth it on RAM |
| 01:34.24 | Amarande | mine is 1.5V DDR3-1600, so off the covers went |
| 01:34.25 | Dagmar | fuck that |
| 01:34.32 | Dagmar | Heat sinks on RAm is *metal* |
| 01:34.39 | Mr_Rabies | what kind case fans are you rolling with Amarande? |
| 01:34.39 | Dagmar | Fucking viking armor for your RAM |
| 01:34.42 | Amarande | I was also pleasantly surprised to find out that Team Dark delids incredibly easily |
| 01:34.43 | jleclanche | well i sure hope its not rubber |
| 01:34.55 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: right now, just two of the 5 apevia fans the case came with |
| 01:35.00 | Mr_Rabies | i dipped my ram in plasti-dip, was that a bad idea jleclanche |
| 01:35.01 | Amarande | I'll be replacing them with akasa fans soon |
| 01:35.08 | jleclanche | Dagmar: on that note i really find it fucking insane that there is no bluetooth profile for "i want a headphone WITH A FUCKING MICROPHONE GOD DAMN IT, I DONT CARE ABOUT PLACING CALLS" |
| 01:35.09 | Amarande | since these stupid apevia fans are molex and get incredibly loud |
| 01:35.10 | Mr_Rabies | (i'm just joking of course, but i'm sure someone has) |
| 01:35.23 | Amarande | didn't notice it when I put the computer together, because I've had the room fan going most of the time in summer |
| 01:35.24 | Mr_Rabies | what size and/or cfm? |
| 01:35.28 | Amarande | but when I turn the room fan off, things are LOUD |
| 01:35.33 | Dagmar | jleclanche: The mode the devices use to act as a headset is an entirely different everything |
| 01:35.33 | Amarande | 120mm, not sure about the CFM |
| 01:35.38 | Mr_Rabies | weird |
| 01:35.48 | jleclanche | Dagmar: yes so i gathered |
| 01:36.01 | jleclanche | this is insanity really |
| 01:36.04 | Amarande | the Akasa ones I'm getting are 38.4 CFM each, apparently |
| 01:36.08 | Amarande | the cpu fans are 83 CFM monsters |
| 01:36.15 | jleclanche | how farfetched is it you would want to speak into a headset |
| 01:36.28 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: btw, intel themselves suggest that case fans are rather overrated |
| 01:36.33 | Esamynn|work | loudest thign in my rig is the pump, which I've been contemplating replacing... but trying to find a good quiet pump is... not easy |
| 01:36.42 | Dagmar | Well, it's because of the way they developed BT for that. There's enough bandwidth to do two channels of audio, basically. So you can have monoaural with a mic, or stereo and no room for mic |
| 01:36.45 | Amarande | according to an article I read posted by them ... and keep in mind too, this article pooh-poohing case fans was actually from the LGA775 days |
| 01:36.47 | Amarande | aka, Presshot |
| 01:36.51 | Amarande | so not exactly a cool cpu age |
| 01:37.00 | jleclanche | Dagmar: wow what |
| 01:37.01 | Dagmar | The things wot handle both modes at the same time are basically pretending to be two separate devices |
| 01:37.10 | Mr_Rabies | case fans are really important |
| 01:37.19 | jleclanche | jesus |
| 01:37.33 | Dagmar | jleclanche: The stuff it does to pass along what kind of _latency_ is going on is hilarity itself |
| 01:37.33 | Mr_Rabies | if you plan your case out properly you can make everything pretty steadily cool for pretty cheap |
| 01:37.41 | Mr_Rabies | and quiet |
| 01:37.41 | Amarande | yeah, you need some airflow, but you don't need a jet testing windtunnel |
| 01:37.46 | Mr_Rabies | oh yeah no |
| 01:37.49 | Neffi | Amarande: "about the same as high end air" <- With stock fans, yes, which are underpowered for noise reasons. Throw some upgraded fans on and an H80 or H100 will outperform the best heatsinks |
| 01:37.52 | Mr_Rabies | i go high cfm, but huge fans |
| 01:37.56 | Dagmar | jleclanche: If, perchance, you attempt to play Guitar Hero over bluetooth headphones, prepare for humiliation |
| 01:37.57 | Neffi | by a nice margin too |
| 01:37.57 | Mr_Rabies | so they're quiet |
| 01:38.15 | Mr_Rabies | my pc sounds like a small room fan on the lowest setting |
| 01:38.37 | jleclanche | Dagmar: this is really fucking concerning |
| 01:38.42 | Dagmar | Mr_Rabies: Go right now and buy some electrical tape |
| 01:38.52 | jleclanche | Dagmar: this headset is a beast and is really perfect, but its bluetooth only |
| 01:38.58 | Mr_Rabies | why's that, dagmar |
| 01:39.00 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: keep in mind that the most critical components (cpu, gpu) these days have dedicated fans |
| 01:39.04 | Dagmar | Dampen all the things |
| 01:39.06 | Mr_Rabies | oh |
| 01:39.09 | Mr_Rabies | i don't really need to |
| 01:39.14 | Mr_Rabies | they all came with rubber uh |
| 01:39.15 | Mr_Rabies | things |
| 01:39.18 | Mr_Rabies | silicone things |
| 01:39.20 | Dagmar | "grommets" |
| 01:39.20 | Mr_Rabies | to install the fans |
| 01:39.21 | nebula169 | jleclanche: what headset are you using now? |
| 01:39.22 | kd3 | grommets |
| 01:39.26 | Mr_Rabies | not even grommets |
| 01:39.27 | jleclanche | nebula169: Parrot Zik. |
| 01:39.29 | Mr_Rabies | these like |
| 01:39.30 | nebula169 | ah |
| 01:39.30 | Mr_Rabies | plugs |
| 01:39.43 | Mr_Rabies | there's no screw at all on them |
| 01:39.47 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: look im making a thing: https://github.com/jleclanche/parrot-companion |
| 01:39.50 | jleclanche | er |
| 01:39.51 | jleclanche | nebula169: * |
| 01:39.52 | Dagmar | I would put electrical tape where like the side panel attaches |
| 01:40.02 | Mr_Rabies | i don't get much noise at all |
| 01:40.11 | Dagmar | If it doesn't need to be part of an electrical ground it's a good place to dampen vibration transmission |
| 01:40.12 | Neffi | With air filters everywhere, you guys ought to look at the pressure ratings of the fans you buy, not just the CFM |
| 01:40.14 | Mr_Rabies | actually |
| 01:40.20 | Mr_Rabies | almost all my noise is from the PSU |
| 01:40.30 | Neffi | High CFM fan is a waste if it's too anemic to pull air through anything |
| 01:40.36 | Esamynn|work | get a better PSU |
| 01:40.43 | Mr_Rabies | for some reason they didn't put all the dampening glue inside the PSU |
| 01:40.46 | kd3 | most of the noise from my case is the HDDs... |
| 01:40.49 | Mr_Rabies | it's a good psu |
| 01:40.56 | Dagmar | jleclanche: The audio will be great, but you're going to have like 50-75ms latency on it |
| 01:40.57 | Esamynn|work | Neffi: yes, I figured that out BEFORE buying my last set of fans, fortunately |
| 01:41.06 | Mr_Rabies | but it makes noise, it's just a normal thing with this psu to do |
| 01:41.15 | Mr_Rabies | i could open it up and put in dampening glue if i wanted |
| 01:41.18 | Mr_Rabies | but it's really not a big deal |
| 01:41.29 | Mr_Rabies | it's better for cooling to not have it anyway |
| 01:41.34 | Mr_Rabies | it just sounds crazy |
| 01:41.36 | Neffi | The annoying thing is, now people are starting to remark on static pressure, and you've got companies selling fans with "great static pressure properties" which actually have shit for pressure |
| 01:41.45 | jleclanche | Dagmar: i noticed sometimes it "desyncs" for up to like 400ms. but most of the time i dont notice audio delays so thats fine; I dont need professional quality, just good enough for gaming and movies |
| 01:41.54 | Mr_Rabies | it's the heatpipes and coils vibrating |
| 01:42.01 | jleclanche | Dagmar: something else i noticed is background white noise when there is no audio coming in |
| 01:42.09 | Mr_Rabies | it doesn't make any noise normally but certain things in certain games make it make sounds |
| 01:42.16 | Mr_Rabies | like, for example, looking at the sky in minecraft |
| 01:42.25 | Dagmar | Video playback software can generally be expected to be smart enough to take tips from the audio system about latency so they can keep things in sync |
| 01:42.33 | jleclanche | Mr_Rabies: its all those air blocks it has to render |
| 01:42.45 | Neffi | chuckles |
| 01:42.51 | Mr_Rabies | it seems to be when there's a lot of blue on screen...somehow? |
| 01:43.14 | Esamynn|work | O_o |
| 01:43.14 | Mr_Rabies | i dunno |
| 01:43.14 | jleclanche | "This graphics card is Red/Green optimized for optimal Matrix experience" |
| 01:43.25 | Esamynn|work | rofl |
| 01:43.26 | Mr_Rabies | doesn't bother me, but it'd probably scare people |
| 01:43.35 | Mr_Rabies | it's a nice psu, the only problem with it is with my case design |
| 01:43.49 | Mr_Rabies | it's at the bottom of the case, with the internal fan hole pointing up |
| 01:43.56 | Mr_Rabies | so if i drop a screw |
| 01:43.58 | Shirik | does anyone rmeember that squiggly stuff that was at the start of games |
| 01:44.02 | Mr_Rabies | yuuuup |
| 01:44.09 | Shirik | I still have no idea what that was |
| 01:44.15 | Mr_Rabies | squiggly stuff? |
| 01:44.40 | Esamynn|work | ^ |
| 01:44.53 | Shirik | like |
| 01:45.02 | Shirik | it said it was calibrating for your monitor or something |
| 01:45.07 | Neffi | degaus? |
| 01:45.15 | Dagmar | The crazy ass DirectX pattern shit? |
| 01:45.35 | Neffi | or it could've been doing some weird scanning to figure out the overscan and center the image |
| 01:45.55 | Mr_Rabies | your monitor may have had automatic image adjusting |
| 01:46.03 | Shirik | I think this was before directx |
| 01:46.05 | Shirik | I'm thinking like 1990s |
| 01:46.08 | Mr_Rabies | since a ton of them had problems with alignment at different resolutions back in the day |
| 01:46.19 | Shirik | no it was definitely part of the game, not the monitor |
| 01:46.47 | Dagmar | No idea. |
| 01:46.50 | Neffi | probably an intentional effect for atmosphere then |
| 01:47.03 | Dagmar | Sounds like it |
| 01:47.11 | Dagmar | I mainly remember fucking with various VESA-mode drivers then |
| 01:47.55 | Shirik | no it wasn't actually "part" of the game |
| 01:47.55 | Shirik | like it would be the first 5 seconds or so |
| 01:47.55 | Shirik | and it would say it's adjusting to your monitor |
| 01:48.02 | Shirik | and they would shake around at a high rate |
| 01:48.29 | Dagmar | Sounds like bottle-shaking to me |
| 01:49.00 | Shirik | I can't be the only one that remembers this >< |
| 01:49.32 | Dagmar | The only thing I can think of that might possibly need something like that would be things trying to abuse the cell-based display |
| 01:49.50 | Dagmar | Otherwise I think they were just shining you on about doing something fancy |
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| 01:51.37 | Dagmar | Like, they *might* want to know how long it takes the card to actually execute instructions to move the whole screen or parts of the screen in various directions, but that would be about it |
| 01:52.08 | Dagmar | Hardware accelleration was highly dubious and fickle in the early 90s |
| 01:52.17 | Shirik | I give up |
| 01:52.21 | Shirik | I can't find it anywhere on google |
| 01:53.39 | Dagmar | Some Matrox and Cirrus Logic cards would throw a tantrum and stab the CPU through the VLB to cause a spontaneous reboot if you asked them to do the wrong things |
| 01:53.56 | Dagmar | Like, "Well okay then. This card doesn't do 888 mode." |
| 01:54.32 | Dagmar | 1Mb video cards and graphics were an exciting frontier. ;) |
| 01:55.04 | Shirik | my favorite random feature of old days was how people rebooted the computer |
| 01:55.28 | Shirik | Intel's preferred way of getting out of protected mode was to cause a triple fault |
| 01:56.27 | Shirik | "On the IBM AT and compatibles, the documented method of doing this was to use a special function on the Intel 8042 keyboard controller, which would assert the RESET pin of the processor. However, intentionally triple-faulting the CPU was found to cause the transition to occur much faster and more cleanly, permitting multitasking operating systems to switch back and forth at high speed." |
| 01:57.18 | Dagmar | People found all sorts of creative ways to abuse older CPU-things |
| 01:57.48 | Dagmar | Hell, one of the undocumented instructions on the Commodore's 6502 was finally uncovered to basically be dereferencing zero |
| 01:58.20 | Dagmar | I can think of no sane reason to load a value based on what's in bytes 0 and 1, but thats' what it was doing |
| 02:02.12 | Amarande | Dagmar: you mean quasi-opcodes? |
| 02:02.33 | Amarande | far as I can recall, that was because of how the CPU was wired |
| 02:02.47 | jleclanche | https://tessalt.github.io/ds9-episodeguide/ |
| 02:02.48 | Amarande | basically anything where the lower two bits equalled 3 would result in undocumented behaviour |
| 02:02.49 | jleclanche | "Disagree with my choices? Fight me irl. Or make a pull request." |
| 02:02.54 | jleclanche | I love it |
| 02:03.29 | Amarande | speaking of old classic things, it's interesting how much cheap stuff you can pull in these old RPGs |
| 02:03.35 | Amarande | stuff that would probably be called exploits nowadays :p |
| 02:03.44 | Amarande | like the Gold Box games ... wallresting and the dance of disability |
| 02:03.56 | Arrowmaster | doing cheap things in rpgs is what made them fun |
| 02:04.17 | Kesava | Stanzilla: ... when you say my nameplates are working, do you mean besides the broken textures |
| 02:04.28 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 02:04.33 | Stanzilla | broken textures affects anyone |
| 02:04.38 | Stanzilla | you can't fix that |
| 02:04.40 | Amarande | Wallresting being where, if there was no safe place to rest in a dungeon, you wanted to find a 1x1 room with only one entrance |
| 02:04.41 | Kesava | oh. okay then |
| 02:04.47 | Amarande | then you wanted to sleep ... with your back to the entrance |
| 02:04.59 | Amarande | which would otherwise seem like the most utterly stupid and idiotic thing to do, but that was actually *safer* |
| 02:06.36 | Amarande | the dance of disability was unique to Gold Box, and some fights are actually virtually impossible without it ... I can't be sure if SSI expected people to use it or not, heh |
| 02:08.20 | Shirik | http://www.newrepublic.com/node/118782 |
| 02:10.49 | Shirik | in other news https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/10518693_10100363434885768_4849858867018907058_n.jpg |
| 02:16.13 | Dagmar | Shirik: Yeah this is a very-not-good situation |
| 02:16.42 | Dagmar | "accidentally" letting those hillbilly rebels have some super-long-range weapons has turned into a massive shitshow |
| 02:17.08 | Dashkal | Not that anybody cares, but I'm happy; I got the raven lord mount today. |
| 02:21.15 | Dagmar | The "special and unique flower" memo heh |
| 02:21.58 | Dagmar | I would read this and perhaps think, "Oh dear god. My chils is an idiot." |
| 02:22.05 | Dagmar | s/chils/child/ |
| 02:22.26 | Shirik | Wobin: just FYI, I have people telling me I'm supposed to buy you a beer |
| 02:24.42 | Dagmar | Heh I just had to make sure Wobin's name wasn't Charlie OWen |
| 02:26.40 | Wobin | Shirik: It's a pretty heated thread =P |
| 02:29.14 | Wobin | I wonder if every child scoring below a certain point got the exact same letter |
| 02:29.23 | Wobin | or if they tailored it with personalised phrases =P |
| 02:29.27 | Dagmar | Wobin: Are you perhaps having an argument with Charlie OWen? ;) |
| 02:29.50 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:33.10 | Dagmar | This is the point at which he should just give in and say, "OKay. I'm Hitler. Point taken." |
| 02:34.47 | Dagmar | Dude does not apparently understand that what happens on 4chan, should *stay* on 4chan |
| 02:34.49 | Wobin | I wanted to tie it back into the comic =P |
| 02:35.36 | Mr_Rabies | pfff |
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| 02:36.21 | Dagmar | Around where I was raised, the guy in the middle pane would be wearing a wrist brace for awhile |
| 02:36.39 | Wobin | neck brace |
| 02:37.06 | Mr_Rabies | oh, that guy's just trolling, that's the easiest, simplest troll |
| 02:37.12 | Dagmar | That would perhaps be overkill, but I'm not saying I would intervene on his behalf either. Heh |
| 02:37.15 | Mr_Rabies | i thought you were advocating for "rules 1 and 2" |
| 02:37.26 | Dagmar | Mr_Rabies: Hence, what happens on 4chan, stays on 4chan |
| 02:37.58 | Dagmar | Mr_Rabies: Dude doesn't understand that on the _rest_ of the Internet, you don't get to say the foulest things you can think up and then stand there grinning like you're creating art |
| 02:37.59 | Mr_Rabies | some creep was sneaking upskirt photos at dragoncon a few years back, but he bolted when he noticed everyone was on the verge of chasing him |
| 02:38.02 | Wobin | oh he's trolling yes, but Facebook being as it is, it's a whole lot less anonymous than 4chan |
| 02:38.08 | Mr_Rabies | dude had practice |
| 02:38.16 | Wobin | so pointing him out as a troll has more social impact |
| 02:38.27 | Dagmar | Mr_Rabies: Atlantans are monsters. |
| 02:38.29 | Dagmar | ;) |
| 02:38.32 | Mr_Rabies | he snuck up, took the photo, and bolted before anyone could really respond |
| 02:38.38 | Dagmar | Ah |
| 02:38.57 | Mr_Rabies | and the crowd density is as such that he could go full assassin's creed and just disappear in a group |
| 02:39.02 | Dagmar | Because personally, the idea of catching someone like that in the act... |
| 02:39.08 | Dagmar | It fills me with glee |
| 02:39.12 | Mr_Rabies | he looked like every other lanky nerd with a camera |
| 02:39.21 | Wobin | "Socially acceptable reason to punch someone in the face!" |
| 02:39.40 | Dagmar | Oh I can think of so many more entertainments to engage in |
| 02:39.52 | Dagmar | I would absolutely put on a show of sadism and savagery |
| 02:39.57 | Wobin | "Woops, you fell" |
| 02:40.00 | Dagmar | I would need a fucking top hat |
| 02:40.05 | Mr_Rabies | i'd say the majority of harassment at dragoncon is for the folks that didn't buy badges, but are in town for the football game |
| 02:40.15 | Mr_Rabies | i've seen countless bros in jerseys being total creeps |
| 02:41.03 | Mr_Rabies | there was one year where it was really,really bad, then they started checking badges at the door and the huge amount of reports basically turned into almost 0 |
| 02:41.04 | Dagmar | Oh same here |
| 02:41.27 | Dagmar | I had a very short discussion with three of that type at one of the Phreaknics |
| 02:41.43 | Dagmar | They were giving this blonde girl that we _all_ knew an uncouth treatment |
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| 02:41.55 | Mr_Rabies | and also, all the bros in jerseys disappeared |
| 02:42.01 | Dagmar | When the subject of "what are you going to do" came up I busted out laughing |
| 02:42.07 | Mr_Rabies | not to say it was necessarily just those guys, but at the least it was dudes without badges |
| 02:42.12 | Dagmar | "I WILL FEED YOU TO THESE PEOPLE" |
| 02:42.41 | Mr_Rabies | i've got the number of the head of security at dragoncon so i'd snap a photo and relay my story |
| 02:43.11 | Mr_Rabies | not risking arrest or injury for a creep of that tier, but if someone was being like, physical, that's a totally different story |
| 02:43.27 | Dagmar | Precisely |
| 02:43.39 | Dagmar | Once someone's in physical danger, you can turn the crowd on their aggressor |
| 02:43.45 | Mr_Rabies | chasing after a creep taking creepy photos with his camera is one thing, ignoring a physical altercation is a whole other deal |
| 02:44.03 | Mr_Rabies | a lot of it happens in the totally abandoned parking lots, the real creeps |
| 02:44.06 | Dagmar | 50+ people saying "NO, U WILL WAIT RITE HERE FOR NAO" is kind of hard to argue with |
| 02:44.14 | Mr_Rabies | lot of drunk dudes |
| 02:44.36 | Mr_Rabies | i don't think i've managed to leave a single dragoncon without seeing at least one drunk nerd pissing in the parking deck |
| 02:44.44 | Mr_Rabies | in the past 3-4 years |
| 02:45.03 | Dagmar | You need to bring a squirt gun with you next year then |
| 02:45.13 | Dagmar | Cuz you know what stops that like, forever? |
| 02:45.24 | Dagmar | A blast of warm water to the back of the neck |
| 02:45.26 | Wobin | cat pee? |
| 02:45.34 | Mr_Rabies | i'm more worried about his squirt gun in that situation |
| 02:45.38 | Mr_Rabies | D: |
| 02:45.46 | Wobin | yeah, if he's drunk, and spins around... |
| 02:46.09 | Dagmar | We had a problem with hipsters coming to goth night and then deciding it's okay to pee in the courtyard behind the bar where we're all smoking, because it's dark and in the corner |
| 02:46.43 | Mr_Rabies | that's just harmless drunken tomfoolery, as long as they're not like, going HAM on someone's car or something, but there are a lot of drunk people and the parking decks are pretty empty after midnight |
| 02:47.02 | Mr_Rabies | can lead to bad juju if criminals are afoot |
| 02:47.39 | Mr_Rabies | they do have security in the parking decks but it's definitely minimized that late |
| 02:48.01 | Mr_Rabies | they want to maximize profits for the weekend so they just do bare minimum in those parking decks |
| 02:48.18 | Mr_Rabies | $20 a day parking, ughhh |
| 02:48.24 | Dagmar | The reaction you get will be hilarious |
| 02:48.44 | Mr_Rabies | i don't want to wind up looking into the eye of the beast |
| 02:48.50 | Mr_Rabies | no thanks :( |
| 02:49.49 | karl_w_w | https://www.humblebundle.com/weekly that's a good'un |
| 02:51.01 | Wobin | fantasy paint jobs? |
| 02:51.20 | Wobin | the truck simulator market is a lot more.. diverse than I imagined |
| 02:54.45 | pompy1 | http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/16/us/sherlock-holmes-supreme-court/ |
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| 03:12.39 | nebula169 | they're silly, they tried to sue the bbc and npc over sherlock/elementary |
| 03:12.53 | nebula169 | nbc* |
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| 04:29.01 | Sintacks | the 840 evo weighs like... so much less than the kingston v300 |
| 04:30.36 | nevcairiel | There isn't really anything in those 2.5" drives anymore. They have mSata/m.2 modules at the same speed and a fraction of the size. A lot is just the case |
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| 05:22.19 | Mr_Rabies | so did they change the yaks for WoD yet |
| 05:22.23 | Mr_Rabies | since reforging is gone? |
| 05:25.58 | Gethe | it will be transmog |
| 05:29.44 | Mr_Rabies | ah, will it |
| 05:29.51 | Mr_Rabies | not really worth it then |
| 05:29.56 | Mr_Rabies | who xmogs out in the field |
| 05:30.14 | Mr_Rabies | should be like, a mailgrummle or something |
| 05:30.48 | Grum | i disagree strongly with that |
| 05:31.46 | Neffi | Mr_Rabies: the yaks are.. mobile reforging? |
| 05:32.11 | nevcairiel | They are |
| 05:32.26 | nevcairiel | I still wonder why anyone would buy one |
| 05:32.41 | nevcairiel | Guess if you have millions of gold it's just a status symbol |
| 05:33.28 | Torhal | fixed Grum's lighting. |
| 05:34.55 | Mr_Rabies | yup, neffi |
| 05:35.00 | Mr_Rabies | the like, traveler's one |
| 05:35.01 | Mr_Rabies | or whatever |
| 05:35.14 | Mr_Rabies | one's repair, one's reforging |
| 05:35.59 | Neffi | cool stuff |
| 05:36.42 | Mr_Rabies | even better: make it a mailgrummle that sends your current raid an item up to once a day, if it's a guild raid, when you use it |
| 05:40.42 | Mr_Rabies | "who the f is yakmaster biggle and why did he send me a full stack of yak milk" |
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| 05:42.26 | Thunder_Child | s/yak milk/yak pies/ |
| 05:52.34 | Dagmar | Because shiny |
| 05:52.41 | Dagmar | er lucky |
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| 06:51.13 | Semlar | wow the transmog interface on the beta is hella broken |
| 06:53.03 | Semlar | the flyout menus for selecting the item are just looping through the items nonstop |
| 06:57.26 | Gethe | yeah it's been like that since alpha |
| 06:58.46 | Gethe | very inconvienient since your char copy get their transmog stripped |
| 07:02.36 | Semlar | yeah my character was not nearly as sexy as after the copy |
| 07:02.52 | Semlar | i was trying to figure out why half my items weren't showing up in the menu |
| 07:03.08 | Semlar | and it turns out you just get an apparently random selection every time you hold alt |
| 07:03.09 | Simca | lost all your glorious gear? |
| 07:03.40 | Semlar | without the transmog it's pretty mismatched |
| 07:04.17 | Semlar | actually only some of the transmog was stripped |
| 07:04.25 | p3lim | hm, variables are split into two categories now? CVars on serverside and UVars on client? |
| 07:04.55 | Simca | not that i know |
| 07:04.59 | Simca | they've always been like that |
| 07:05.12 | Simca | some cvars are set on login and purged on logout - they're effectively session-based only |
| 07:05.41 | Simca | they'll never be in Config.WTF unless you put them there yourself, for example |
| 07:07.19 | Semlar | i actually logged on to check whether there was an achievement tracking the rares for draenor but i'm thinking achievements appear to be a work in progress |
| 07:07.30 | p3lim | Hrm, gotta test more then |
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| 07:09.20 | Simca | if you want, delete your wtf\config.wtf file then relaunch the game, login to a character, then exit game and compare the contents of config.wtf vs online lists of cvars |
| 07:09.27 | Simca | the ones that aren't in it are likely session-based |
| 07:10.36 | p3lim | Nvm, just what I thought was a cvar ended up not being one |
| 07:10.47 | p3lim | InterfaceOptions trickery |
| 07:10.50 | Semlar | most rares are also achievement objectives right? |
| 07:11.12 | Semlar | at least recently added ones |
| 07:12.11 | p3lim | Any rare from expansions are in achievements |
| 07:12.13 | p3lim | afaik |
| 07:13.32 | p3lim | The Draenor achievements are far from complete by the looks of it |
| 07:13.45 | Semlar | yeah i'm assuming it's just not yet implemented for draenor |
| 07:14.28 | Semlar | but it looks like i can actually pull the npcID out of the achievement criteria and connect it with the rare's localized name |
| 07:14.46 | Simca | yes that's what NPCScan does |
| 07:15.06 | Simca | that's why it's based around achievements with non-achievement rares being 'custom additions' |
| 07:15.12 | Semlar | really? i thought they scraped the rare ids from wowhead or something |
| 07:15.19 | Simca | nope |
| 07:15.52 | Semlar | ah well, this'll be an easier way to get models for the rares that pop up on the map |
| 07:16.11 | Semlar | i didn't really want to store a list i have to maintain when i can just store a handful of achievements |
| 07:17.50 | Semlar | well serpent sting doesn't appear to exist so i have an empty spot on my bar |
| 07:20.17 | Semlar | man, did they really remove scatter shot too? |
| 07:21.57 | Gethe | Serpent sting is SV only |
| 07:22.12 | Gethe | scatter is gone too, its in the patch notes |
| 07:22.44 | Semlar | well it's a little-known secret that i actually can't read |
| 07:22.56 | Gethe | D: |
| 07:23.16 | Semlar | i see the keybinding interface is new |
| 07:23.57 | Semlar | i'm going to miss scrolling through hundreds of actions looking for the one i want to bind |
| 07:23.59 | Gethe | yeah it's pretty nice |
| 07:24.39 | p3lim | I really like that, although they are not using the normal buttons, these have a yellow glow |
| 07:25.08 | p3lim | Probably just unfinished |
| 07:25.27 | p3lim | Btw, what are considered "minor" enemy units and npcs? |
| 07:25.39 | Semlar | the ones with little nameplates |
| 07:25.54 | Semlar | like the tiny sha outside of SoO |
| 07:25.58 | Gethe | yeah like the bunny mobs in pandaria |
| 07:26.02 | p3lim | ah |
| 07:27.29 | Semlar | aaand disable tutorials |
| 07:27.51 | Semlar | these things are driving me nuts |
| 07:28.24 | p3lim | I have this to toggle everything to my likings on every new character: https://github.com/p3lim-wow/Inomena/blob/master/cvars.lua |
| 07:28.30 | Semlar | are all flying mounts ground mounts too or is that a future implementation |
| 07:28.58 | Gethe | nifty |
| 07:29.20 | Gethe | Semlar: they are |
| 07:29.41 | Semlar | alright, what's my biggest flying mount |
| 07:30.00 | Neffi | scatter is gone? |
| 07:30.08 | Semlar | neffiiiiii i can't shoot people no more |
| 07:30.13 | Neffi | But that was such a cool ability |
| 07:30.54 | Semlar | yeah when they said they were cutting down on buttons i expected it to one of the ones i currently have to hit all the time that doesn't really do much |
| 07:31.06 | Semlar | to be* |
| 07:31.45 | Gethe | Semlar: Frostbrood Vanquisher if you have it or any protodrake |
| 07:32.01 | Neffi | I agree with the need to cut down on ability bloat, but some of the stuff they took out was like "lol wtf?" |
| 07:32.12 | Semlar | amg my camera distance is limited to like 5 feet |
| 07:32.24 | Semlar | y u do dis default settings |
| 07:32.25 | Neffi | anyway I'm supposed to be asleep already *vanishes* |
| 07:32.28 | Simca | another awful default option that makes zero settings |
| 07:32.34 | Gethe | i'm still sore about Eyes of the Beast |
| 07:32.52 | Simca | eyes of the beast is a pretty good example of something that is never useful |
| 07:32.56 | Semlar | the default settings should really be better than this |
| 07:33.20 | Gethe | Simca: maybe not, but it was cool! |
| 07:33.23 | Simca | that camera distance maximum being set to its minimum value blows my mind |
| 07:33.29 | Simca | i can't even fathom the reasoning |
| 07:33.46 | Simca | maybe if somebody uses their mouse wheel to zoom out too far then forgets how to use the mouse wheel |
| 07:33.52 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:34.24 | Semlar | that may have been the last time i used that spell come to think of it |
| 07:35.03 | Torhal | takes Semlar to a taxidermist to get him fitted with eyes of the beast. |
| 07:35.08 | Semlar | :O |
| 07:36.00 | Gethe | that can't be cheap, i hope you're prepared for that Torhal |
| 07:36.07 | Semlar | how do you change the speed the camera zooms when you scroll |
| 07:36.11 | Semlar | is that a cvar |
| 07:36.32 | Torhal | I'll use the funds I've been funneling from Neffi for the past year. |
| 07:36.51 | Gethe | oh ok |
| 07:37.10 | Torhal | Ok, bedtime. |
| 07:38.01 | Semlar | http://wowpedia.org/CVar_cameraDistanceSmoothSpeed this doesn't appear to actually do anything |
| 07:39.04 | Semlar | http://wowpedia.org/CVar_cameraDistanceMoveSpeed this does |
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| 07:45.35 | Semlar | neat you can zoom in and pan the world map now |
| 07:46.23 | Gethe | wasn't expecting that one, but it's nice |
| 07:48.55 | Semlar | it looks like the spawn id from the vignette GUID matches the one from the unit's actual GUID so you can connect the two |
| 07:50.26 | Semlar | so you could do something like mark that the rare on the minimap is in combat if you pick it up in the combat log |
| 07:53.01 | Semlar | in fact the vignette guid is identical to the creature guid except it has a 0 where the npcID should be |
| 07:54.04 | Simca | all the more reason you should probably make a forum thread to tell blizzard it is a bug |
| 07:54.12 | Semlar | oh god where's my aspect of the pack HOW WILL I DAZE THE RAID |
| 07:54.41 | Semlar | maybe i can actually post on the beta forum now that i can log into it |
| 07:54.54 | Semlar | where should i put something like that |
| 07:55.24 | Simca | probably general discussions for beta, since they didn't make a bug report forum (they claim to want all bug reports ingame) |
| 07:55.30 | Gethe | you can also do bug reports in-game |
| 07:55.31 | bluspacecow | by dancing naked semlar |
| 07:55.36 | bluspacecow | thats how you daz your raid |
| 07:55.52 | bluspacecow | be all like right said fred. |
| 07:56.08 | Simca | http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1556566-Naked-Female-Dreanei-Glitch fully naked if you're fem draenei apparently |
| 07:56.15 | Semlar | it's hard to tell if it's a bug or a suggestion |
| 07:56.30 | bluspacecow | Isnât there an EU beta forumz and US beta formz ? Or you no pay for wowz nows ? |
| 07:56.34 | Simca | 'oversight' |
| 07:56.37 | Simca | so closer to bug imo |
| 07:56.56 | Semlar | i would be overjoyed if they'd include the npcID in the vignette GUID |
| 07:57.08 | Simca | npcID/objectID |
| 07:57.21 | Semlar | that's right, they can show events too |
| 07:57.45 | Simca | it would be super trivial for them if the guids match like that |
| 07:57.57 | bluspacecow | {!} |
| 07:58.00 | bluspacecow | is a simca! |
| 07:58.12 | Simca | sometimes |
| 07:58.35 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/jmAU6MU.jpg |
| 07:59.03 | Simca | yeah that's easy, they can do lookup by spawn counter |
| 07:59.06 | Semlar | it's really just that one field that's different |
| 08:03.27 | karl_w_w | VIad, watch the after party? |
| 08:09.11 | karl_w_w | darude did an amazing set for anyone who cares |
| 08:09.32 | karl_w_w | http://www.twitch.tv/dota2ti_afterparty/profile/pastBroadcasts no doubt the vod will be up soon |
| 08:17.44 | Semlar | Simca: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/13509081347 i made a post about it |
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| 08:32.23 | bluspacecow | *finally checks out naked dranei glitch* |
| 08:32.24 | bluspacecow | O_O |
| 08:32.28 | bluspacecow | im nekkid |
| 08:32.37 | Semlar | you're always nekkid |
| 08:32.56 | Semlar | cows don't wear clothes |
| 08:33.49 | bluspacecow | Oh yeah |
| 08:33.54 | bluspacecow | never mind then |
| 08:36.22 | Semlar | also the third to last field in a unit's GUID is not a reference to the zone |
| 08:36.54 | Semlar | it's some sort of unit type indicator |
| 08:37.10 | Semlar | or a flag |
| 08:37.20 | Semlar | it's 3 for normal units and 5 for elites |
| 08:38.28 | Semlar | actually this critter also has a 5 so i have no idea |
| 08:39.00 | Semlar | maybe it's an elite critter |
| 08:45.45 | Semlar | i can't figure out what this is |
| 08:51.12 | bluspacecow | on boy that naked bugs even on the premades |
| 08:51.13 | bluspacecow | XD |
| 08:51.21 | bluspacecow | *templates |
| 08:51.42 | Maldivia | Semlar: is the "expansion level" part of the guid? |
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| 08:51.58 | Semlar | what do you mean |
| 08:52.25 | Maldivia | Semlar: all mobs are flagged with the expansion they were released in |
| 08:52.31 | Semlar | i don't think so |
| 08:52.39 | Semlar | unless you count the instance ID |
| 08:52.54 | Maldivia | Semlar: 3 and 5 just sounded like valid numbers expansion indexes :P |
| 08:53.05 | Semlar | nah these are both mobs on the timeless isle |
| 08:53.15 | Maldivia | hm, ok |
| 08:53.38 | Semlar | it seems to always be the same number for the same mobs but i can't figure out any relationship between mobs with the same numbers |
| 08:53.56 | Semlar | a lot of the mobs i checked in the jade forest had 4 |
| 08:54.10 | Semlar | same for the hidden stair |
| 08:54.14 | Maldivia | gender/other? |
| 08:54.18 | Semlar | it's not gender |
| 08:54.36 | Semlar | most of the things i checked around vale were 3 |
| 08:55.07 | Semlar | it doesn't appear to be related to their reactions either |
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| 08:56.35 | Semlar | i think it must be some kind of flags but i don't know what they are |
| 09:00.24 | bluspacecow | ok |
| 09:00.28 | bluspacecow | i gotta ask |
| 09:00.35 | bluspacecow | is it possible with a macro to unequip pants |
| 09:00.38 | bluspacecow | :P |
| 09:00.43 | Semlar | i believe it is |
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| 09:01.02 | bluspacecow | cause Iâm thinking of doing this |
| 09:01.17 | bluspacecow | 1] account wide macro to unequip pants and top |
| 09:01.31 | bluspacecow | 2] Test on all genders , races , and classes |
| 09:01.40 | Semlar | like i know you can set an equipment set with a macro |
| 09:01.41 | bluspacecow | 3] So how wide spread this nekkid bug is |
| 09:01.46 | Semlar | so you could make a set without pants |
| 09:02.05 | Semlar | at least i think you can make a set with missing slots |
| 09:02.31 | bluspacecow | so it may not be so simple with a macro but if you could get an equipment changer addon working on Beta that would make it simplier ? |
| 09:02.43 | Semlar | there's a built in equipment manager |
| 09:03.10 | Semlar | you can use that to create a set without pants |
| 09:03.20 | bluspacecow | ....... |
| 09:03.28 | Semlar | and then just /equipset <name of pantless set> |
| 09:03.28 | bluspacecow | clearly I need to L2Play |
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| 09:03.36 | bluspacecow | ahhhhhhh |
| 09:03.39 | Semlar | it's part of the character screen |
| 09:03.43 | bluspacecow | are those account wide tho |
| 09:03.50 | Semlar | i doubt it |
| 09:04.11 | bluspacecow | are they realm wide ? |
| 09:04.41 | Semlar | i'm sure they're character specific |
| 09:05.12 | Semlar | you can still do this with a more general macro though |
| 09:06.18 | bluspacecow | ok |
| 09:06.58 | Semlar | i'd have to look up the api function to pick up an item from your character slots |
| 09:07.35 | Maldivia | PickupInventoryItem |
| 09:09.03 | Semlar | so like /run PickupInventoryItem(7) and whatever puts it in your bag |
| 09:09.04 | Maldivia | mething like PickupInventoryItem(7) PutItemInBag(20) |
| 09:09.32 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: http://www.twitch.tv/shirikii/c/4717567 |
| 09:10.27 | bluspacecow | oh thats right b.net is down. so gotta log into beta manually |
| 09:10.50 | Maldivia | bluspacecow: just log in to EU bnet |
| 09:11.01 | Semlar | you'd have to pick a container with empty slots |
| 09:11.09 | bluspacecow | my EU doesnât have the beta license |
| 09:11.18 | Semlar | i don't know if there's a function to just literally drop it in any bag |
| 09:11.31 | Maldivia | bluspacecow: there is no difference |
| 09:12.01 | bluspacecow | i has an EU account. so log into EU b.net with US account or EU account ? |
| 09:12.29 | Maldivia | in bnet app, just select Europe as the region, with same info as normal |
| 09:12.35 | bluspacecow | ahhh |
| 09:14.05 | Semlar | you can do PutItemInBackpack if the backpack has any free slots |
| 09:15.00 | Semlar | PutItemInBag takes 20-23 as slot arguments for your bags |
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| 09:19.03 | Semlar | oops, i guess i shouldn't have left the game |
| 09:19.20 | Semlar | well i guess i'll work on this later |
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| 09:24.47 | nebula169 | can you rotate a texture? like a normal texture on a button? |
| 09:25.47 | Semlar | you can rotate a texture using SetTexCoord |
| 09:26.14 | nebula169 | ah, yes, i just noticed the second set of args |
| 09:26.59 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure textures actually have a rotate function |
| 09:27.20 | Semlar | like texture:SetRotation(radians) |
| 09:27.41 | Semlar | but it'll reduce the texture size by half to fit the corners |
| 09:28.22 | Semlar | not sure what button:GetNormalTexture():SetRotation() would do |
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| 09:39.22 | nebula169 | Semlar: works fine :p thanks |
| 09:40.28 | bluspacecow | @semalr http://pastebin.com/L1G9v12e |
| 09:40.51 | bluspacecow | quick , dirty almost eyegaging code. but works to get dranei females of a certain skin texture nekkid |
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| 10:02.12 | Semlar | tries to calm bluspacecow down |
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| 10:08.41 | p3lim | Are they removing guild levels or is that just a beta thing? |
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| 10:12.27 | Workfoz | the former |
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| 10:25.39 | bluspacecow | work tiems |
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| 10:34.09 | p3lim | Whatever you do, don't turn on chat class colors across the board on the beta |
| 10:34.40 | Semlar | why not |
| 10:35.04 | p3lim | GetPlayerInfoByGUID in GetColoredName depends on the old GUID format or something |
| 10:35.11 | p3lim | error on every chat line :D |
| 10:35.20 | Semlar | good, good |
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| 10:37.59 | nebula169 | p3lim: sitting in my garrison talking to myself it works fine |
| 10:38.18 | Semlar | sounds lonely |
| 10:38.22 | p3lim | Are you in a guild? |
| 10:38.25 | nebula169 | yes |
| 10:38.26 | Maldivia | p3lim: colors are working for me, but I do get an error on zone chantes |
| 10:38.28 | Maldivia | changes* |
| 10:38.57 | p3lim | arg12 of GetColoredNames (the guid param) returns lots of zeroes sometimes |
| 10:40.38 | p3lim | seems to be related to guild members going offline |
| 10:40.54 | nebula169 | just left localdefense and got 1x FrameXML\ChatFrame.lua:2859: Usage: GetPlayerInfoByGUID("playerGUID") :p |
| 10:41.01 | p3lim | that's the one |
| 10:41.06 | nebula169 | yea arg12 = "0000000000000000" |
| 10:41.29 | karl_w_w | can't argue with that |
| 10:41.30 | p3lim | take this: http://pastebin.com/12YQsvK0 |
| 10:42.13 | p3lim | I'm in a guild with 600+ members, no wonder it happened frequently |
| 10:42.32 | karl_w_w | nobody laughed at my amazing joke |
| 10:42.42 | Semlar | umm doesn't RAID_CLASS_COLORS contain the color string |
| 10:43.20 | nebula169 | .colorStr in the class table, yea |
| 10:43.31 | Semlar | that seems like a completely unnecessary format |
| 10:43.52 | p3lim | prolly old code |
| 10:44.15 | Semlar | >_> |
| 10:44.42 | p3lim | the fact they use \124 instead of |, and does formatting outside of string.format |
| 10:45.53 | Semlar | yeah i like that it's also concatenating outside of string.format |
| 10:46.09 | p3lim | that's the word I was looking for |
| 10:46.44 | zenzelezz | jleclanche: ping |
| 10:46.46 | Semlar | well, whatever works |
| 10:46.50 | jleclanche | zenzelezz: whats up |
| 10:47.40 | p3lim | time to have some fun, let's boot up oUF :p |
| 10:48.23 | zenzelezz | jleclanche: just tried getting lxqt from github; and that works... sort of. I can clone it, and I can run "git submodule init", like it says, but "git submodule update --remote --rebase" fails. It tries to get compton-conf from git.lxde.org, but gets "permission denied (publickey)" |
| 10:48.32 | zenzelezz | am I doing something obviously wrong? |
| 10:48.38 | jleclanche | zenzelezz: dont use that to check out lxqt |
| 10:48.39 | jleclanche | its for devs |
| 10:49.00 | zenzelezz | thought you said I should get it from github? |
| 10:49.07 | jleclanche | yeah but not the lxqt.git repo |
| 10:49.13 | zenzelezz | oh |
| 10:49.19 | jleclanche | zenzelezz: what distro are you on? |
| 10:49.24 | zenzelezz | slackware 14.1 |
| 10:49.43 | jleclanche | dunno |
| 10:49.51 | jleclanche | pvanek is on slackware too i think |
| 10:51.08 | zenzelezz | well, if I wanted to get the source from github, should I be getting it from github.com/lxde (or github.com/lxde/lxde-qt), or some other? |
| 10:51.28 | zenzelezz | otherwise I'll just get the 0.7.0 source from the website and update later |
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| 11:24.57 | mitch0 | jleclanche: about lxqt, any news about the qt5 port? is it underway already? |
| 11:25.06 | jleclanche | mitch0: it's complete |
| 11:25.10 | mitch0 | wtf |
| 11:25.11 | jleclanche | I'm running on lxqt qt5 |
| 11:25.20 | mitch0 | nice |
| 11:25.33 | mitch0 | is the latest aur qt5 already? |
| 11:25.36 | jleclanche | yep |
| 11:25.47 | mitch0 | yay |
| 11:26.02 | jleclanche | we're releasing 0.8.0 with qt4 and qt5 support, but qt4 support will be dropped right after |
| 11:26.28 | mitch0 | so the port wasn't as hard as the qt3->qt4 switch I recon |
| 11:26.47 | jleclanche | wasnt too hard. the hardest bits were x11 specific interfaces we were using |
| 11:27.02 | jleclanche | we'll be switching to KWindowSystem for lxqt-panel/qtxdg |
| 11:27.19 | mitch0 | will it be wayland-ready then? :) |
| 11:27.49 | jleclanche | that might take a bit longer |
| 11:27.52 | jleclanche | goal is to have 1.0 on wayland |
| 11:28.14 | jleclanche | i find though that once you get devs started its pretty quickly completed |
| 11:28.31 | mitch0 | you'll need to replace openbox then, right? |
| 11:28.33 | jleclanche | kwindowsystem is indeed wayland compatible and thats our x11est component |
| 11:28.42 | jleclanche | we dont have openbox, we're WM-agnostic |
| 11:28.58 | mitch0 | yeah, but the users need some wm, and currently openbox is the recommended one |
| 11:29.09 | jleclanche | we're looking at recommending kwin |
| 11:29.13 | mitch0 | do you know anything about the standalone-kwin project? |
| 11:29.32 | jleclanche | yes thats kf5 kwin. most of it is available now |
| 11:30.02 | jleclanche | but it still ships with plasma in binary distros. i personally dont use it just yet but i suspect once its out of kde-unstable/kwin it'll be usable |
| 11:30.20 | jleclanche | zenzelezz: all the repos are in github.com/lxde |
| 11:30.30 | jleclanche | but disregard lxde-qt.git as thats just a meta-repo |
| 11:30.42 | jleclanche | btw you guys feel free to join #lxde |
| 11:30.42 | mitch0 | I have high hopes for kf5, too, but plasma seems to be too sluggish so I keep a tab on lxqt + kwin |
| 11:31.07 | jleclanche | kf5 is great, we'll be using kf5 components after 0.8 |
| 11:31.08 | mitch0 | meh, nobody here complains when we go a bit offtopic ;) |
| 11:31.23 | jleclanche | looking at kwindowsystem, kglobalaccel and solid |
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| 11:33.27 | mitch0 | ah, precompiled packages for arch, cool |
| 11:36.46 | zenzelezz | jleclanche: I'll try that out |
| 11:37.20 | jleclanche | zenzelezz: i recommend you build your own packages; if you do that anywhere somewhat official i can put them up on lxqt.org actually |
| 11:37.29 | p3lim | Odd, found an NPC that GetUnitName and UnitName returns nil on |
| 11:38.12 | jleclanche | zenzelezz: you will want to take a look at https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/lxqt-desktop-git and all its dependencies |
| 11:38.24 | jleclanche | check out the PKGBUILDs for how to build. its super straightforward |
| 11:38.39 | zenzelezz | jleclanche: cheers; I'll let you know how it goes :) |
| 11:38.44 | jleclanche | cool |
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| 12:20.17 | VIad | karl_w_w: I didn't yesterday :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC35wa8ypNg |
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| 12:34.28 | karl_w_w | best part of TI, VIad |
| 12:35.33 | karl_w_w | shame the full vod isnt up yet |
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