| 00:00.21 | Torhal | Tuller: Green eggs. |
| 00:00.54 | Tuller | free range, i presume |
| 00:01.26 | Gnarfoz | no, range is limited to 35 m |
| 00:02.46 | Tuller | unfortunate |
| 00:03.04 | Gnarfoz | it might be limited to above 30 m, too |
| 00:03.11 | Gnarfoz | just to make it more annoying |
| 00:06.20 | Stanzilla | foxlit: do you have a opie version for beta yet? |
| 00:06.24 | Stanzilla | *n |
| 00:06.38 | Gnarfoz | he has one vor WoW 7.0 already |
| 00:06.48 | Gnarfoz | s/v/f/ |
| 00:17.14 | Dagmar | Leet zero day lua codez |
| 00:28.04 | Ressy | Stanzilla, you get my tweet? |
| 00:30.11 | Stanzilla | Ressy: yup! already on my way with the mount though :D |
| 00:30.39 | Ressy | lol |
| 00:31.57 | Stanzilla | a, f it, HS and test it |
| 00:32.51 | Stanzilla | there you go :D |
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| 00:35.18 | Ressy | lol |
| 00:36.31 | Ressy | whoa |
| 00:36.48 | Ressy | no wonder The Cogeco CBB charges were approved as inerim so quickly. |
| 00:37.15 | Ressy | CNOC filed a Part 1 requesting the TN be interim quickly. |
| 00:37.34 | Ressy | "Canadian Network Operators Consortium Inc. (âCNOCâ) is hereby filing this Application pursuant to Part 1 of the CRTC Rules of Practice and Procedure1 (âRulesâ) in order to ask the Commission to declare Cogecoâs TPIA capacity rate interim on an expedited basis, pending consideration of a future proposed filing by Cogeco to reduce the capacity rate from its present level to a |
| 00:37.36 | Ressy | significantly lower level." |
| 00:38.03 | Ressy | um. whoops. wrong channel. |
| 00:47.29 | TC-Work | ~lart Ressy |
| 00:47.29 | purl | gives Ressy a good seeing to |
| 00:54.41 | Ressy | I'm really into the Canadian ISP regulatory stuff here. :) |
| 00:54.51 | Mr_Rabies | so are the planned combat log changes in the beta yet? |
| 00:55.33 | TC-Work | Everyone has their fetish Ressy, I am not judging. |
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| 01:03.11 | Stanzilla | Mr_Rabies: depends on which part you mean |
| 01:03.15 | Stanzilla | the GUID changes are in |
| 01:03.20 | Stanzilla | the ilvl is in, too |
| 01:03.51 | kd3 | though not all of the ui is ready for the unitguid change... the ChatFrame is throwing all kinds of errors |
| 01:04.10 | Seerah | has anyone else had troubles getting their addons to load in the beta **besides** changing the .toc number to 60000? |
| 01:05.26 | kd3 | there's some acedb things that need to be fixed too |
| 01:11.05 | Stanzilla | we have a fix for it |
| 01:11.10 | Stanzilla | just not the people to commit it |
| 01:13.29 | Stanzilla | https://www.dropbox.com/s/85gs7q1h6q70vwe/Ace3.zip if anyone wants/needs it |
| 01:13.45 | Mr_Rabies | Stanzilla: mostly the cleaning up/more accurate across entire raid stuff |
| 01:13.54 | Mr_Rabies | so you don't have so many wildly different numbers on recount/skada |
| 01:14.16 | Stanzilla | Mr_Rabies: that I don't know, just what I said |
| 01:15.05 | Mr_Rabies | ah okay |
| 01:15.22 | Mr_Rabies | thanks :O |
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| 01:39.09 | Seerah | Got it! PEBKAC error. Apparently when I finally moved the WoW Beta folder from Program Files to my Games folder last night(thanks, battle.net app for not asking me where to install it before you started), my finger must have slipped and hit Ctrl-C instead of Ctrl-X. So... yeah. The copy of beta I was playing didn't have addons installed. :p |
| 01:39.27 | Ressy | so, addons are enabled for this build? |
| 01:39.34 | kd3 | yes |
| 01:39.36 | Ressy | oooh |
| 01:39.45 | Seerah | yes. they require a toc of 60000 though |
| 01:39.52 | Ressy | perfect. Thanks :) |
| 01:39.56 | Ressy | Time to start AckisRecipeList |
| 01:40.08 | TC-Work | s/start/break/ |
| 01:40.31 | Ressy | lol |
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| 01:41.17 | Ressy | speak of the devil |
| 01:41.30 | TC-Work | Him? Hardly. |
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| 01:42.20 | jleclanche | Once the âcritical periodâ â the roughly six years of life during which the brain is wired for learning language â is over, the ability to acquire a first language is lost, as your brain frees up room for the other skills youâll need as you mature, such as the ability to kill a wild boar, or learn math, or operate your iPad. |
| 01:42.35 | sylvanaar | ^.^ |
| 01:43.01 | sylvanaar | oh addons are enabled in beta? |
| 01:43.06 | jleclanche | yep since recently |
| 01:43.06 | Ressy | I swear my munchkin is better with an iPad than I am. |
| 01:43.27 | Iriel | jleclanche: or, in the spirit of todayâs XKCD, learn how to save and quit in VI |
| 01:43.47 | Ressy | They provide kindergarteners iPad time every week. |
| 01:43.49 | jleclanche | Iriel: today's xkcd? |
| 01:43.53 | Amarande | Ressy: heh, puts the lie to the whole argument about touchscreens being the future |
| 01:43.55 | Iriel | Actually it wasnât XKCD it was somewhere else I saw it |
| 01:43.55 | jleclanche | the thermometer one? |
| 01:44.04 | Iriel | looks |
| 01:44.21 | Ressy | Man.. The only reason my munchkin is learning to write his letters now, is because of a game I got for his LeapPad2. |
| 01:44.24 | Ressy | refused to learn before. |
| 01:44.36 | Amarande | apparently one of the commonly posited arguments for the superiority of touchscreens is that babies take to the interface naturally and without difficulty |
| 01:44.38 | Iriel | https://twitter.com/java |
| 01:44.41 | Iriel | There |
| 01:44.49 | Amarande | but that ... really only means that touchscreens are ideal ... for babies, heh |
| 01:45.01 | jleclanche | Iriel: ahah |
| 01:45.05 | Ressy | lawlz |
| 01:45.14 | Amarande | I'm still not sure why they're such a trend otherwise LOL |
| 01:45.41 | Amarande | I mean, I still remember reading about the mid 1980s, when the Commodore VIC-20 and 64 came out (my first computer was a 64, actually) |
| 01:46.01 | Amarande | and one of the big selling points (besides the price) was that yay, you actually got REAL KEYS, like a professional system! |
| 01:46.09 | jleclanche | Amarande: theres a lot to be said regarding natural interaction with electronic devices |
| 01:46.23 | Amarande | (other computers of the day tended to have these crappy membrane or chiclet keyboards with little or no decent tactile response) |
| 01:46.54 | Amarande | and now it seems like people are pooh-poohing keys and thinking that a touch system with no tactile feedback is awesomeness, heh |
| 01:47.04 | jleclanche | with that said though, people are looking a bit too hard. you learn how to use a fork and knife, you should also learn how to operate a mouse, keyboard, touchscreen and rotary dial |
| 01:47.47 | jleclanche | doesnt matter if you're not efficient at it. im not a fucking chef (though I'm an awesome cook), I still happily use knives |
| 01:48.42 | Amarande | well, maybe not rotary dial ... I'm not sure I've even seen such a phone in years LOL |
| 01:48.51 | Amarande | but definitely mouse and keyboard should be a universal skill :) |
| 01:49.44 | Amarande | touchscreens perhaps. mind you the main touchscreen 'skill' seems to be managing to know when you shouldn't try to do multiple things quickly lest you cause an unwanted action to occur due to stupid laggy apps that then pop something up and your touch acts on that instead of what you thought it would. :) |
| 01:50.04 | jleclanche | im not old enough to have ever touched a rotary dial with any purpose, I still know how to operate one |
| 01:50.14 | Amarande | (damn you words with friends and your constantly popping up that 'would you like to start a game with these recommended opponents' thing several seconds after loading the main screen, when I want to just get to my existing game) |
| 01:50.28 | Amarande | yeah, I know how to operate one, but I can't remember when I saw one last |
| 01:50.40 | jleclanche | Ive also never made use of most DIY tools but I also know how to operate 99% of them. its stuff you (are supposed to) learn at a young age |
| 01:50.46 | Amarande | although I do remember when TV ads regularly had to specifically specify "use your touch tone phone to call (number)" |
| 01:50.57 | sylvanaar | touch tone! |
| 01:51.12 | Amarande | yeah, because ivr's don't work well with rotary :) |
| 01:51.34 | sylvanaar | you dont remember that you can click the button that hangs up the phone really fast to dial each number |
| 01:51.45 | sylvanaar | 1 click = 1, 10 clicks = 0 |
| 01:51.48 | Amarande | speaking of which, one thing I definitely do miss is menu based IVRs :( |
| 01:51.58 | Ressy | .. Damn. |
| 01:52.08 | Ressy | Have my 4 year old learning multiplication with a leappad game. |
| 01:52.14 | Amarande | instead of this voice activated shit where you have to enunciate the words just so or the stupid robot says "I didn't get that" |
| 01:53.07 | Amarande | hm, what was the last reasonably complex ivr I actually interacted with, I think it was when I had to call microsoft a few months ago to activate windows |
| 01:53.40 | Amarande | and they give you the opportunity to 'say' or 'type' the code from the activation screen |
| 01:53.54 | Amarande | ... I wonder how many people have ever managed to successfully activate windows by voicing the number :) |
| 01:54.04 | Amarande | that's gotta be a hoot, trying to do that |
| 01:55.11 | Amarande | speaking of which, good news everyone, rumour is that apparently we may never have to do that phone call again starting with windows 9 :) |
| 01:56.20 | Semlar | what phone call |
| 01:56.24 | Stanzilla | 03:53:53 â Amarande: ... I wonder how many people have ever managed to successfully activate windows by voicing the number :) < Me, abouzt 28834293847 times |
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| 01:58.02 | Amarande | Semlar: when you have to call microsoft to activate because it's been less than four months since the last time you had to activate |
| 01:58.16 | Amarande | (either because you reinstalled windows or because you changed too much of your hardware) |
| 01:58.21 | sylvanaar | because your HD died or some shit |
| 01:58.29 | sylvanaar | fuck that |
| 01:58.38 | Semlar | sounds like fun |
| 01:58.41 | Amarande | rumour has it that with windows 9, they're going to be having activation be thru the windows store instead |
| 01:59.05 | Amarande | and it'll be based on the 'you can activate X machines, if you try X+1 you must deactivate a previous machine first" system |
| 01:59.18 | sylvanaar | oh - like itunes |
| 01:59.23 | Amarande | yeah, like that |
| 01:59.28 | sylvanaar | yeah |
| 02:27.15 | d[karl]b | http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r28269635-Can-t-access-network-even-my-own-computer oh man I love this person |
| 02:34.42 | Mr_Rabies | i once had a networking issue so severe launching netmeeting was required to fix it |
| 02:39.44 | d[karl]b | screw that |
| 02:40.06 | d[karl]b | prefer to just buy a new PC before launching netmeeting |
| 02:41.39 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 02:42.09 | Mr_Rabies | that was running windows xp from 2002 to 2007 or so with no reformatting or anything |
| 02:42.28 | Mr_Rabies | from sp0 to sp2ish |
| 02:42.50 | Mr_Rabies | sp3 just refused to install but the OS ran okay |
| 02:43.33 | Amarande | heh, you need to reinstall windows every now and then for maintenance it seems, as a rule |
| 02:43.46 | Amarande | or because you break stuff, like I've been known to |
| 02:43.46 | Mr_Rabies | pfft |
| 02:43.55 | Amarande | I can't believe I managed to break windows 7 in only 2 weeks |
| 02:44.01 | Amarande | on this pc, anyway |
| 02:44.11 | Mr_Rabies | i'm still running vista from late 2008 on this machine :p |
| 02:44.35 | Amarande | installed it around the end of june, then I had a problem with a usb port malfunctioning |
| 02:45.02 | Amarande | googled a fix, it told me that if you're trying to solve usb problems you should delete the usb controller and allow windows to re-recognise the usb subsystem on reboot |
| 02:45.19 | Amarande | ... except it didn't, and since my HIDs are all USB, I was unable to control the system :| |
| 02:46.03 | Amarande | apparently, that solution does work reliably on win8, but for some reason it breaks win7 ... also, it turned out that the problem was my usb3 front panel cable wasn't connected to the mobo header all the way |
| 02:46.09 | Amarande | although it *looked* like it was connected |
| 02:46.44 | Mr_Rabies | those headers are many a problem with new-ish system builders |
| 02:46.50 | Mr_Rabies | after building like |
| 02:47.06 | Amarande | I think mine must have got bumped out of place while I was futzing around to get the CPU cooler installed |
| 02:47.09 | Mr_Rabies | building or repairing several dozen a month |
| 02:47.19 | Mr_Rabies | it still occasionally trips me up |
| 02:47.20 | Amarande | at least it's not like the usb header on my previous build |
| 02:47.36 | Amarande | where it was microatx and I had to go find a (surprisingly rare, it turns out) usb 3.0-3.0 extension cable so I could connect it |
| 02:47.57 | Amarande | because my gtx 770 stuck out exactly over the usb3 header on the mobo, and for some reason the standard case plug for usb3 is this huge honking thing that obviously won't fit |
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| 02:49.32 | Mr_Rabies | jesus |
| 02:49.46 | Mr_Rabies | gtx 770 and microatx just sounds like a bad idea |
| 02:49.54 | Mr_Rabies | those two words together |
| 02:50.56 | Amarande | yeah, I had a maximus vi gene for a few months |
| 02:51.13 | Amarande | then the sound crapped out and I got an ASRock B85 Pro4 that I've been using since and has been great |
| 02:51.17 | Amarande | apart from that I broke windows, LOL |
| 02:51.31 | Amarande | I really should put 8.1 back on, but I don't have the patience to hassle with it atm |
| 02:51.36 | Mr_Rabies | honestly |
| 02:51.46 | Mr_Rabies | 7 is definitely more built for regular folks |
| 02:51.58 | Amarande | I've got an upgrade 8.0 key, which means I have to install windows as a sacrificial lamb, install windows *again*, then wait for 8.1 to update in |
| 02:52.07 | d[karl]b | when vista came out i got a new laptop with it installed, 256gb hard drive. within 3 years more than half the drive was the winsxs folder |
| 02:53.34 | Mr_Rabies | winsxs is a lot better with SP2 |
| 02:53.47 | Amarande | yeah, windows is pretty wasteful of hard drive space |
| 02:53.48 | Mr_Rabies | honestly vista SP2 native is really not that different than windows 7 |
| 02:54.14 | Amarande | at first I thought it was because of multiarch (i.e., the fact that on 64 bit windows you basically have to have effectively two copies of windows installed, because 32 bit app compatibility) |
| 02:54.29 | Amarande | but yeah, apparently the way it handles winsxs is pretty atrocious from a disk space standpoint |
| 02:54.45 | Amarande | I get the feeling microsoft basically just thought disk drives would just keep getting bigger and bigger and bigger |
| 02:54.53 | Amarande | and didn't think of the ssd revolution when they designed the paradigm |
| 02:55.06 | Mr_Rabies | honestly they would have had thailand not been flooded |
| 02:55.17 | Amarande | they still have been, they're up to 6TB now |
| 02:55.38 | Amarande | the real reason disk space is an issue again is because people are converting to SSDs (and of course winsxs has to live on the C: drive, which will be your SSD) |
| 02:55.46 | Amarande | and SSDs are prohibitvely expensive past about 200-300 gigs or so atm |
| 02:56.05 | Amarande | even 240 gigs costs as much as at least four terabytes of spinning platter, if not more |
| 02:56.14 | Mr_Rabies | looks like my winsxs folder is 16GB after almost 6 years |
| 02:56.31 | Mr_Rabies | oh wait no it's still growing lol :p |
| 02:56.49 | Amarande | linux, on the other hand, is delightfully space-saving |
| 02:57.01 | Mr_Rabies | up to almost 30GB, lol |
| 02:57.02 | Amarande | although you can find ways to use up lots of space on linux or bsd, heh |
| 02:57.08 | Mr_Rabies | looks like it stopped there |
| 02:57.19 | Amarande | especially if you set up an amanda server ... 'course, backups are space eaters by definition, so yeah |
| 02:58.05 | Amarande | atm I have my 1TB WD drive dedicated entirely for the purpose of backups, although I probably won't come close to using it up before I get up the patience to reinstall windows |
| 02:58.28 | Amarande | though tbh I'd like to set up a dedicated backup server |
| 02:58.40 | Amarande | maybe I should set up my old vishera box to do that |
| 02:59.25 | d[karl]b | my sxs now is 6.3gb after 11 months |
| 02:59.32 | d[karl]b | win8.1 |
| 03:00.46 | Amarande | pity AMD FX doesn't have integrated graphics though and I don't have any less power guzzling of a graphics card on hand than the HD 7850 that's in that machine |
| 03:02.20 | Amarande | also pity I don't actually have an open battery backed plug on the UPS right now |
| 03:02.35 | Amarande | even though it's certainly beefy enough to handle two computers :) |
| 03:03.17 | Mr_Rabies | man, i love how they're calling draenor "the savage lands" |
| 03:03.44 | Mr_Rabies | makes me think of devil dinosaur |
| 03:03.47 | kd3 | gorgrond takes the savageness up a notch |
| 03:04.21 | Mr_Rabies | there's an area in marvel comics called the savage land |
| 03:04.41 | Mr_Rabies | http://marswillsendnomore.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/devil-dinosaur-02-4.jpg |
| 03:05.44 | Mr_Rabies | http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-U0x6IElzZ_4/UcpHl5W5VSI/AAAAAAAABc8/qTmP2ZoJTfM/s1600/Godzilla-and-Devil-Dinosaur-v3-795208.jpg |
| 03:08.06 | Amarande | I'm trying to think how 'savage' it can be |
| 03:08.22 | Amarande | compared to such paragons of non-savageness as stranglethorn vale, or un'goro crater, or sholazar basin ... |
| 03:08.37 | Amarande | or the dread wastes ... |
| 03:09.19 | Amarande | so, in this version of draenor, is netherstorm already a purple wasteland or is it something different? |
| 03:09.55 | kd3 | http://wowpedia.org/Farahlon (still waiting on pics) |
| 03:13.14 | Mr_Rabies | have they established around what timeline garrosh went back to? |
| 03:13.23 | nebula169 | it should be the eastern part of gorgrond, but it looks like that part was cut out from the gorgrond map |
| 03:13.39 | kd3 | -31 iirc. we're at -4 on draenor right now |
| 03:13.48 | sylvanaar | temp? |
| 03:14.18 | kd3 | correction, 46BDP |
| 03:14.18 | sylvanaar | does back to drinking |
| 03:14.23 | kd3 | (before the dark portal) |
| 03:14.35 | kd3 | we're still at 4BDP right now |
| 03:14.48 | Amarande | hm, how long ago was the dark portal opening before present day WoW? |
| 03:15.08 | kd3 | it's currently 30ADP on pandaria, it'll be 31 when the iron horde invades |
| 03:15.36 | Mr_Rabies | weird that the warlords aren't older but whatever |
| 03:16.15 | kd3 | not having to go through the whole drinking mannoroth's blood thing, perhaps they maintained more of their youthful vitality |
| 03:19.01 | Mr_Rabies | so hmm |
| 03:19.23 | Mr_Rabies | looking at a timeline on wowpedia, there is supposed to be demonic influence by kil'jaeden but not the full legion invasion yet? |
| 03:19.50 | kd3 | yes. we get our first hint of this around level 94 |
| 03:20.14 | Mr_Rabies | really interested to see where that story goes |
| 03:20.28 | Mr_Rabies | and the Warcraft movie might be out before the end of WoD |
| 03:21.20 | Mr_Rabies | man, clancy brown would be a good mannoroth |
| 03:26.33 | Mr_Rabies | that or he can be Blackmoore, and thrall dufresne can tell him how to create a tax shelter for his inheritance |
| 03:40.19 | Ressy | is the addons tab showing up for anyone on the char selection screen? |
| 03:42.59 | Seerah | Ressy: on beta? yes |
| 03:45.11 | Mr_Rabies | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAnaVFVwDh8 |
| 03:45.15 | Mr_Rabies | the future of flight in WoW |
| 03:53.46 | Ressy | figured out why things weren't working... I have a backup copy of beta... and when I reinstalled battle.net it defaulted to the wrong one. |
| 04:04.14 | Stanzilla | I so hope they fix the green textures next build |
| 04:04.30 | Gethe | ^ |
| 04:04.36 | Gethe | me too |
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| 04:18.30 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:18.33 | Iriel | Hm |
| 04:18.49 | Iriel | Silly spaces |
| 04:19.14 | Fisker | Suuure |
| 04:19.15 | Mr_Rabies | sorry that was the first test of #dwarffortress |
| 04:19.26 | Mr_Rabies | your dwarves all fell in the space and died |
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| 04:26.20 | Simca_ | Stanzilla / Gethe : that's been broken for 3 months, don't get your hopes up |
| 04:26.36 | Stanzilla | I know |
| 04:26.54 | nebula169 | not sure why they wouldn't fix it now that you're actually suppose to use addons |
| 04:27.04 | nebula169 | well, allowed to |
| 04:28.25 | Simca_ | no i don't think you understand |
| 04:28.32 | Simca_ | their own addons are broken and displaying green textures |
| 04:28.42 | Simca_ | they had incentive to fix it for a long time |
| 04:29.24 | Simca_ | try to use a builtin icon from the equipment manager |
| 04:29.32 | Simca_ | it will be a nice shade of green |
| 04:32.51 | Stanzilla | https://cdn.mediacru.sh/N8ZEcSXsiv_9.jpg < hahah |
| 04:39.08 | Ressy | thats still there? lol |
| 04:45.13 | Stanzilla | yup |
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| 05:12.02 | Stanzilla | znf nebula169 sb whoever wanted to get curse client working on beta, just create a Wow-64.exe and wow.exe in the beta folder. that's the only thing cc tests for and beta uses wowb.exe atm |
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| 05:44.25 | Mr_Rabies | those hilarious DELETE me cubes always make me think of venture bros |
| 05:44.29 | Mr_Rabies | er DELETE ME |
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| 07:19.31 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 07:19.48 | Mr_Rabies | Neffi.0 has been activated |
| 07:24.02 | Semlar | deletes mr_rabies |
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| 08:39.58 | Simca_ | wtf. |
| 08:40.31 | Simca_ | i just pressed CTRL+Z in visual studio and it said "are you sure you want to undo this?" and I said yes and it undid about 1000 changes |
| 08:40.46 | Simca_ | I don't remember pressing the "Undo x1000" key |
| 08:52.49 | plaw | Fisker: |
| 08:52.57 | Fisker | plaw: |
| 08:54.28 | Kalroth | now hug |
| 08:55.21 | Fisker | I once hugged a guy Kalroth |
| 08:55.37 | Simca_ | he died five minutes later with blood running out his ears |
| 08:55.43 | Kalroth | poor guy |
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| 09:17.45 | karl_w_w | hugs Kalroth |
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| 10:40.43 | Kalroth | man, a free hug and i wasn't even around |
| 10:49.14 | Humbedooh | aw man |
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| 12:23.16 | foxlit | Stanzilla: ExportInterface is still broken, so no OPie. |
| 12:29.18 | Fisker | exports foxlit |
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| 14:08.21 | Industrial | Hi. Anyone here use SUF? |
| 14:09.09 | Industrial | http://i.imgur.com/PMLr6jO.jpg |
| 14:09.20 | Industrial | What bar is the black thing on the bottom of my target frame? |
| 14:09.36 | Industrial | It's not the Health, Power or Cast Bar (since I've set that to hide when not casting) |
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| 14:16.18 | Industrial | Ah, it was the combo points |
| 14:16.23 | Industrial | 'show as bar' setting |
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| 15:11.49 | foxlit | so the new mounts API wonât tell you whether a mount can fly or not. |
| 15:12.44 | Thunder_Child | Maybe blizz decided they all can |
| 15:13.04 | Thunder_Child | Granted the turtle may look a tad silly. |
| 15:13.25 | Thunder_Child | Unless it has 4 elephants on its back. |
| 15:14.31 | foxlit | that seems rather unlikely. |
| 15:14.55 | bluspacecow | at least thereâs no instacrash turtles this time around |
| 15:15.58 | foxlit | I, too, hate oranges. |
| 15:17.00 | bluspacecow | cause theyâre not yellow ? |
| 15:20.11 | foxlit | cause I wanted apples. |
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| 15:51.19 | Stanzilla | foxlit: https://github.com/tomrus88/BlizzardInterfaceCode |
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| 16:04.57 | jleclanche | oh my god |
| 16:05.07 | jleclanche | Simca_: this is the most comfortable headset ive ever worn |
| 16:05.26 | zenzelezz | jleclanche: which one? |
| 16:05.30 | jleclanche | parrot zik |
| 16:05.39 | Humbedooh | eargasm? |
| 16:05.45 | jleclanche | not yet they're not even on |
| 16:06.05 | jleclanche | im just wearing them because they feel so nice |
| 16:08.26 | jleclanche | it should be noted they're wireless by bluetooth only |
| 16:08.41 | jleclanche | i expected an adapter but no such thing |
| 16:09.10 | zenzelezz | ffs, their site is one of those awful one-page things. But the headset itself seems nice enough |
| 16:09.25 | jleclanche | its expensive, be warned |
| 16:09.30 | jleclanche | but yeah the site is annoying. |
| 16:09.37 | zenzelezz | I wear $400 headphones |
| 16:09.49 | zenzelezz | that are comfortable as long as you don't try to lean ahead and eat |
| 16:10.11 | zenzelezz | definitely not the comfiest, but good sound, and surround stuffs |
| 16:10.14 | jleclanche | they're fit just right; they wont fall if you lean forward |
| 16:10.33 | zenzelezz | yeah, those ones look good in that respect |
| 16:11.14 | zenzelezz | I use this on my primary (game) computer: http://www.psykoaudio.com/GetPsyko/PsykoCarbon#axzz37vnk1bU4 |
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| 16:11.27 | zenzelezz | for just music/video I use either speakers or something cheap(er) |
| 16:12.50 | jleclanche | They came in a beautiful box, along with really nice cloth-wrapped cables |
| 16:12.50 | zenzelezz | was a real pain to get a hold of, because they would not ship outside of NA, and they wouldn't accept billing addresses outside NA (so I couldn't even pay and have it delivered to someone in the US) |
| 16:13.00 | jleclanche | heh, urgh |
| 16:13.35 | jleclanche | i need to figure out whether my motherboard has a builtin bluetooth adapter or whether i need to buy one |
| 16:14.42 | zenzelezz | I used to think "lulz bluetooth" when I saw it on some motherboards, but lately I've actually started to see some use for it |
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| 16:16.40 | jleclanche | nope, no such luck |
| 16:16.50 | jleclanche | i have nfc and wifi but not bluetooth >< |
| 16:16.57 | foxlit | Stanzilla: meh, itâs more of a philosophical objection than a serious one. |
| 16:17.06 | foxlit | (and I kind of needed Art in addition to Code) |
| 16:18.48 | jleclanche | "This problem would be solved if it were legal and you could buy it in a store from a person who you could sue if they caused your wrongful death, but decriminalizing heroin wouldn't do anything for that." |
| 16:19.09 | jleclanche | I find the concept of suing for your personal death a bit out there |
| 16:19.54 | zenzelezz | surely in the land of the free you should be able to sue people after you're dead |
| 16:19.59 | zenzelezz | must be an amendment for that, surely |
| 16:20.09 | jleclanche | the land of the litigious |
| 16:20.14 | zenzelezz | using surely in two sentences looked bad |
| 16:22.55 | foxlit | jleclanche: haha, someone made a slight mistake in formulating that thought? |
| 16:24.07 | jleclanche | foxlit: i really sometimes wonder why i bother reading your keyboard waste |
| 16:25.07 | jleclanche | zenzelezz: slight buzzing when connecting to my bluetooth phone and silent. the sound quality is amazing though |
| 16:27.46 | zenzelezz | jleclanche: might consider them next time I want a real headset |
| 16:29.16 | jleclanche | zenzelezz: this is possibly the only real headset ive ever worn |
| 16:29.35 | jleclanche | i was seriously worried about comfort but this is quite amazing |
| 16:30.04 | jleclanche | anyway, I need to figure out how to use my phone as a bluetooth adapter over ssh |
| 16:30.18 | zenzelezz | didn't you use a 930-something a while ago? Or am I confusing people again |
| 16:30.28 | jleclanche | G930 yes. it was pretty bad |
| 16:33.18 | zenzelezz | that's interesting, I used to hear people speak highly off it |
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| 16:33.23 | zenzelezz | though that was some time ago |
| 16:34.27 | Jamash | anyone have experience rooting android devices? I just got a 2012 Nexus 7 and I'm wondering if there's any gotchas |
| 16:35.00 | zenzelezz | I'm curious, isn't a Nexus almost stock anyway? |
| 16:35.13 | Jamash | yes |
| 16:35.59 | jleclanche | Jamash: the nexuses are easy to root afaik |
| 16:36.11 | Jamash | yeah that's what I've read |
| 16:37.12 | jleclanche | hm |
| 16:39.01 | jleclanche | What the hell. according to this i do have a bluetooth adapter. http://www.newegg.com/global/uk/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132127 |
| 16:41.20 | zenzelezz | missing drivers or something? |
| 16:41.39 | mikma | according to asus so should i, but it's not there |
| 16:43.14 | jleclanche | ill test it on windows to make sure |
| 16:43.25 | zenzelezz | thought I had a similar board, but apparently mine's a Z87 |
| 16:48.42 | bluspacecow | find a circuit board diagram |
| 16:55.38 | jleclanche | i have BCM20702A0 apparently |
| 16:58.21 | zenzelezz | sounds vaguely like a star designation these days |
| 17:02.37 | jleclanche | http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_3.2_DriverArch#head-94d24139488d8f0f51eb038c78536213f328fb85 |
| 17:02.46 | jleclanche | 3.2 kernel has drivers for it apparently |
| 17:03.14 | jleclanche | https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=133093&p=1 |
| 17:03.15 | jleclanche | great |
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| 17:20.44 | nevcairiel | 3.2 is pretty old, you on a version before that? |
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| 17:45.01 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: im on 3.15 |
| 17:45.47 | jleclanche | http://blog.tkassembled.com/301/patching-btusb-to-enable-compatibility-with-the-bcm20702a0-chip/ |
| 17:45.47 | jleclanche | hm |
| 17:47.07 | nevcairiel | New hardware and Linux |
| 17:47.38 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: this is a pretty old post |
| 17:47.39 | jleclanche | dec 2012 |
| 17:47.59 | jleclanche | acccording to it this is no longer needed since 3.8 |
| 17:48.21 | nevcairiel | But still no worky for you I guess |
| 17:55.49 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: I had to do echo "0b05 17cf" >> /sys/bus/usb/drivers/btusb/new_id |
| 17:56.23 | nevcairiel | Sounds intuitive |
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| 18:03.28 | [A2]A-KO | heya Seerah :P |
| 18:03.46 | Seerah | hola :) |
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| 18:05.31 | A-KO | How goes it? |
| 18:08.34 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: i got sound =) |
| 18:12.31 | jleclanche | i dont have audio input but i know why |
| 18:12.52 | jleclanche | https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=73325 |
| 18:22.27 | Dagmar | There's still plenty of bugs in bluetooth-space |
| 18:22.56 | Dagmar | About a third of the time after I exit my car or bike (both of which have bluetooth stereos now) audio fucking breaks on my phone |
| 18:23.19 | Dagmar | Only way to avoid it is to explicitly detach before deactivating the vehicle. |
| 18:23.28 | Amarande | heh, wtf is with computers (including smartphones) and sound anyway :S |
| 18:23.41 | Amarande | for some reason, over the years, sound has always been one of the most finicky things when it comes to systems |
| 18:23.58 | Dagmar | Realtime/lowlatency audio routing under less-than-idea conditions (like "shit went away" disconnects) is not so easy |
| 18:24.16 | Amarande | hell I wouldn't even be sure if it's bt at fault either ... I'm presuming you have android, you don't seem like an iOS type |
| 18:24.21 | Dagmar | Part of the general problem with audio is specs that *lie* |
| 18:24.40 | Dagmar | Lots and lots of cards out there that would claim to be able to mux audio streams on their own, but didn't. |
| 18:24.43 | Amarande | linux kernels usually use alsa architecture (though not 100% sure if android does or not), and alsa is still not really that great |
| 18:24.54 | Dagmar | Anrdoid uses ALSA |
| 18:25.02 | Dagmar | You can even install a package to get the whole slew of devices and inputs |
| 18:25.08 | Amarande | #debian-next basically admitted that even pulseaudio (used on desktop linux) is basically a stopgap for how crappy ALSA is |
| 18:25.36 | Amarande | though even on windows sound apparently isn't the best subsystem either |
| 18:25.39 | Dagmar | Yeah and a large part of ALSA's problematic nature is the shit with lying specs |
| 18:25.44 | nevcairiel | Alsa is just low level |
| 18:25.55 | Amarande | There appears to be an epidemic of ASUS laptops where the sound driver disappears when Windows is updated |
| 18:26.47 | Dagmar | Intel sound chipsets are super fun. They would _appear_ to be a standard, but the output/input matrix for all the connections is wild west territory. There's almost no guarantee based on the chipset alone that any two implementations are going to have the same wiring |
| 18:27.11 | Amarande | Dagmar: and apparently sometimes they get their input/output matrix fucked up |
| 18:27.20 | Dagmar | Yep. |
| 18:27.23 | Amarande | like happened on my ASUS (just what is it with ASUS anyway ...) Maximus motherboard |
| 18:27.39 | Amarande | literally you could only get sound in linux, and even then only with a low level override via hda-verb |
| 18:27.46 | Amarande | which was only temporary and would go away on reboot |
| 18:27.48 | Dagmar | My personal favorite is the wild difference between approaches to final amplification |
| 18:28.12 | Amarande | I wonder if it's tied to intel itself or to the particular realtek codec though |
| 18:28.21 | Dagmar | Some use linear taper, some use log. Fuck this up and you get a volume slider that is mostly dead and audio that gets it's amplitude fucked up often |
| 18:28.30 | Amarande | the maximus had ALC1150, my asrock board that I've got now has ALC892 and seems to be much more stable |
| 18:28.50 | Dagmar | Realtek is notorious for variable quality |
| 18:29.11 | Amarande | it just goes to prove that pricier is not better |
| 18:29.13 | Dagmar | Some of their chipsets are awesome. Some of them give you flashbacks from trying to get some no-name card working in the 90's |
| 18:29.28 | Amarande | the maximus board was $200 and shit broke ... the asrock board was $75 and probably will work just ducky for years now |
| 18:29.55 | Amarande | yeah, alc1150 is not one of the more beloved ones |
| 18:30.09 | Amarande | except maybe by hollywood |
| 18:30.33 | Amarande | given that the very first thing realtek says about it is this gem: "The ALC1150 is a high-performance multi-channel High Definition Audio Codec with Realtek proprietary lossless content protection technology ..." |
| 18:30.48 | Amarande | how often do things where the first touted feature is DRM ever work well? heh |
| 18:31.45 | Amarande | then again it says the same thing about the alc892, heh |
| 18:32.34 | Amarande | but yes, googling revealed that it seems to be not all that uncommon a problem for the sound to die on maximus boards |
| 18:32.43 | Amarande | and usually because the data direction register gets mangled |
| 18:33.00 | Amarande | I call them crapximus boards now |
| 18:33.10 | Dagmar | I still tend to either install a discrete board (because I bought a half-dozen EMu10k-bearing SBLive! cards long ago, so I have them) or I just don't expect audio to be reliable |
| 18:33.32 | Amarande | that was the other issue with the maximus ... it had no PCI slots |
| 18:33.44 | Amarande | so installing a discrete board wasn't really that great of an option |
| 18:34.02 | Dagmar | I'm sort of eyeing some of the SoundBlaster USB dongles now as my next "go-to" for audio |
| 18:34.05 | Amarande | because the cheap PCI-E cards are apparently basically the same shit, and the decent PCI-E cards cost as much as just buying a new mobo anyway |
| 18:34.15 | jleclanche | fucking piece of shit chrome losing my tabs every time |
| 18:34.38 | Amarande | the variety of models of PCI-E soundcard is apparently much smaller than either usb or pci |
| 18:34.42 | Dagmar | So go flip the configuration item that tells it to restore your tabs when you start it |
| 18:34.55 | Amarande | now if my sound ever dies on the asrock, I can just get a pci sound card |
| 18:35.16 | Dagmar | Amarande: I suspect that's got to do with that fewer and fewew integrated audio chipsets are complete ass now, which means fewer people forced to buy an add-on card |
| 18:35.47 | Amarande | as it is, I've almost built the perfect beast, although I should get an internal ODD and a couple new case fans |
| 18:35.55 | Dagmar | There's still plenty of "budgety" ones out there, but they no longer introduce arbitrary distortion and crackle under CPU load and shit like tat |
| 18:36.05 | Amarande | because apevia sells this case with a bunch of friggin molex fans that always run full speed and are annoyingly loud |
| 18:36.37 | Amarande | which I didn't notice before since we've been having horrendous heat waves and the room fan was always on, but now that it's getting cooler and I've had the room fan off ... yeah. LOL |
| 18:38.15 | Dagmar | I generally buy a few in pairs that claim to be quiet and then actually compare them myself... and then I buy several more of the bust |
| 18:38.18 | Dagmar | er best. |
| 18:38.24 | Dagmar | I know I'm eventually going to use them |
| 18:38.44 | Dagmar | I clean them at least once a year and some still degrade |
| 18:41.01 | Amarande | looking at these ones atm: http://www.frozencpu.com/products/19454/fan-1215/Akasa_120mm_x_25mm_Ultra_Quiet_Crystal_Green_Fan_-_Green_LED_AK-274CG-4GNS.html?tl=c331s518b181#blank |
| 18:41.32 | Amarande | I like frozencpu ... they carry more variety (can't get akasa from newegg, for instance) |
| 18:41.45 | nevcairiel | Noctua builds about the best fans these days |
| 18:41.47 | Amarande | when it comes to fans and cooling and case doodads |
| 18:42.09 | Amarande | and they're also in upstate new york so I'm basically guaranteed 2 day shipping if I order ups ground |
| 18:42.23 | Amarande | (thought it might even have been 1 day for sure, but apparently east rochester is a little too far away) |
| 18:42.50 | Amarande | nevcairiel: pity noctua fans are ugly as all get out ... apparently they've forgotten that beige went away sometime last decade :) |
| 18:43.05 | Amarande | they're also rather expensive, generally |
| 18:43.08 | nevcairiel | Who cares about looks |
| 18:43.17 | Amarande | e.g., the akasa venom voodoo cpu cooler I have, competes favourably with the noctua 14 series coolers |
| 18:43.24 | nevcairiel | They go inside the pc |
| 18:43.24 | Amarande | the noctua coolers cost $20-30 more though :) |
| 18:44.15 | Simca_ | nevcairiel: many people use those weird translucent side panels so they can show off their build |
| 18:44.43 | Dagmar | If they came with the case, I use them to see if any fans have stopped |
| 18:44.49 | Dagmar | However, they are the enemy of quiet |
| 18:45.49 | Dagmar | That side panel is one of the biggest noise amplifiers in a case |
| 18:46.32 | Dagmar | Unchecked, it'll resonate like the back wall of an acoustic guitar |
| 18:49.27 | Amarande | heh, I also had to take the nice glowy 200mm fan out of my side panel, too |
| 18:49.32 | Amarande | it wouldn't fit with the cpu cooler |
| 18:49.58 | Amarande | in fact, to get a tower cpu cooler to fit, I had to even remove the side panel window altogether and remount it on the outside of the panel (I'm not sure why apevia didn't do this to begin with, but at least it's held on by pegs that are easy to remove) |
| 18:51.09 | Dagmar | 200mm? |
| 18:51.35 | Amarande | yeah, apevia xdreamer4 has a 200mm side fan included |
| 18:51.39 | Dagmar | Are you sure you're not installing a motherboard in a model hovercraft? |
| 18:52.58 | zenzelezz | 20 cm side-mounted fans aren't that rare on "gaming" towers |
| 18:53.57 | kd3 | eesh. I thought my 14cm case fans were big |
| 18:54.20 | Amarande | heh, and the side fan space on my old antec 300 was only 12cm |
| 18:54.38 | Amarande | actually the fan that I used to use there became the rear fan in my microatx case that's in storage |
| 18:54.50 | nevcairiel | 140mm case fans are quite common these days kd3 |
| 18:55.43 | kd3 | these days, yah, but the case I'm using is from 2006? 7? |
| 18:56.21 | Amarande | I think the top area on this case can take either 120 or 140 |
| 18:56.32 | Amarande | too many case fans is overrated though generally and may not even be that great a thing |
| 18:56.49 | Amarande | I read an article not too long ago from Intel themselves that seemed to disdain overuse of case fans |
| 18:57.13 | Amarande | and that was from the LGA775 era too ... those were the Presshot days, heh |
| 19:00.11 | Amarande | especially excessive exhaust fans seem to be pooh-poohed |
| 19:00.48 | Amarande | intel believes that the psu fan should be your primary exhaust port |
| 19:01.19 | Amarande | (although it seems like it's a really common thing nowadays to isolate the psu from the case airflow :S) |
| 19:03.09 | Dagmar | People put whale tails on CRX's man |
| 19:03.19 | Dagmar | Rice gamers like fans |
| 19:03.59 | zenzelezz | whale tail? |
| 19:04.49 | Dagmar | https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=whale+tail+crx |
| 19:05.01 | Dagmar | This is considered a "performance" mod |
| 19:05.59 | Dagmar | You could also deploy an actual bag of rice in the rear of the car for about the same effect. |
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| 19:08.52 | Amarande | both the fans I'm going to replace with quieter ones are intakes |
| 19:08.58 | Amarande | I don't actually have an exhaust fan on the chassis atm, actually |
| 19:09.02 | Amarande | other than the psu fan |
| 19:09.31 | Amarande | thinking of putting one back in the rear fan port, but it would have to be a thin (15mm) fan or I'll never manage to get it in there |
| 19:10.04 | Amarande | (there's enough room theoretically for a standard thickness 12cm fan even with the cpu cooler there, but due to the side of the case and the cpu cooler, there's no way you would manage to actually get it to the spot |
| 19:10.23 | Dagmar | Well, basically it's more important that you have outflow anyway, so long as you're not designing something that uses the optical drive bay as intake. ;) |
| 19:10.38 | Dagmar | DAmn the manual is large... pages 1014-1034? |
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| 19:13.21 | Simca | somebody should try to make pancakes on an array of pentium 4s |
| 19:13.38 | Simca | i don't know why but that thought just amused me |
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| 19:17.25 | Gnarfoz | Simca: someone fried an egg on an Athlon XP back in the day ;) |
| 19:21.02 | Gragagrogog | doable, you need 70°C for that |
| 19:24.06 | fewyn | i wonder how broken my ui would be if i copied all the files to the beta and updated the toc |
| 19:26.44 | Seerah1 | very :D |
| 19:27.35 | Gragagrogog | like this: http://i.imgur.com/XnuVnCq.jpg |
| 19:29.17 | fewyn | http://uplol.fewyn.net/World_of_Warcraft_2014-07-19_14-29-09.png that's my live ui |
| 19:29.21 | fewyn | i just want to try it |
| 19:29.23 | fewyn | for shits and giggles |
| 19:30.31 | Gragagrogog | it depends on how much custom textures you use... |
| 19:34.01 | Amarande | Dagmar: actually it's better to have more intake than outflow |
| 19:34.08 | Amarande | as long as you've got filtering for the intakes |
| 19:34.22 | Amarande | positive air pressure means every part of the case gets circulation |
| 19:34.34 | Amarande | negative air pressure means you get dead spots, which produces heat spots and dust accumulation |
| 19:35.02 | Amarande | actually that's probably a good reason why intel pooh-poohed on case fans |
| 19:35.49 | Amarande | there's a tendency for both the top and rear fan ports to be used for exhaust, which, since psus started mounting on the bottom regularly, meant that the cpu is stuck in the zone where the negative air pressure is most intense |
| 19:36.05 | Amarande | combined with terribad intel stock coolers ... yeah, that's a good way to get overheating :) |
| 19:38.26 | fewyn | there we go changed the toc on all my addons |
| 19:38.37 | fewyn | absolutely nothing works |
| 19:38.39 | fewyn | it looks like |
| 19:38.41 | fewyn | lol |
| 19:38.51 | fewyn | bagnon does tho |
| 19:41.43 | Simca | fewyn: Ace3 will break every addon it depends on - install Ace3 standalone and manually fix the error (line 263 of AceDB) |
| 19:42.01 | Simca | and the addons that depend on it will load the fixed version instead of their broken libraries |
| 19:42.02 | fewyn | not sure which addons of mine use ace anymore |
| 19:42.23 | Amarande | fewyn: thank you for making me not feel bad, heh |
| 19:42.24 | Simca | like I said, install them libless or use ace3 standalone - you don't need to know that way |
| 19:42.25 | Kaelten | what's going on? |
| 19:42.27 | Amarande | actually wait, I did back up the ui, heh |
| 19:42.37 | Amarande | for a moment I thought I didn't back up my wow ui when I switched to linux for the time being |
| 19:42.47 | Amarande | and then I was like 'crap what if I go back to wow' |
| 19:42.51 | fewyn | i used to know all the libs my addons used |
| 19:42.59 | fewyn | not anymore tho |
| 19:43.05 | Amarande | then I think like ... 'hm, you know, 6.0 will probably break everything and make me redo it all anyway, don't sweat it' |
| 19:43.11 | Amarande | and it looks like I was right on that one heh |
| 19:43.14 | Seerah1 | Kaelten: There's a bug in AceDB in beta. There's a fix if you want to upload the patch. |
| 19:43.16 | Simca | Kaelten: they retired a CVar that Ace3 uses, so it errors and prevents loading of any addon that uses it |
| 19:43.24 | Amarande | (and then I discovered I did back up my ui anyway, LOL) |
| 19:43.31 | Kaelten | and no ones pushed a fixed version of it yet? |
| 19:43.34 | Kaelten | wtf |
| 19:44.00 | Kaelten | or is this a WoD thing? |
| 19:44.04 | fewyn | wod thing |
| 19:44.07 | Kaelten | ah |
| 19:44.19 | Amarande | Kaelten: it does mean that we'll indeed be redoing our ui's for 6.0, though |
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| 19:44.23 | Seerah1 | right, in beta ;) |
| 19:44.36 | Gragagrogog | note rly |
| 19:44.41 | Gragagrogog | *not |
| 19:44.43 | A-KO | sup Kaelten |
| 19:44.45 | Kaelten | if someone can send me over the patch I'll look at uploading an alpha for it |
| 19:44.47 | Amarande | heh. sometimes I very much love the customisability of the wow ui |
| 19:45.07 | Amarande | sometimes the wow ui's customisability makes me glad that I'm playing sw:tor or lotro or neverwinter instead at a given moment, LOL |
| 19:45.34 | Simca | <Amarande> Kaelten: it does mean that we'll indeed be redoing our ui's for 6.0, though |
| 19:45.47 | Amarande | depends on whether I'm thinking "sweet, I can do XYZ" or "crap, blizzard broke XYZ, gah now I have to fix my ui again" |
| 19:45.57 | Simca | hardly, I loaded many different very complex addons and the only errors were in 2 different libraries |
| 19:46.00 | Seerah1 | Kaelten: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/13506740664?page=1#18 |
| 19:46.06 | Amarande | with great power comes endless maintenance :) |
| 19:46.17 | fewyn | i prefer the flexibility of the wow ui |
| 19:46.27 | fewyn | it makes me sad when i play other mmos without addons |
| 19:46.34 | fewyn | eso has a decent system |
| 19:46.42 | fewyn | about the only other mmo that has come close |
| 19:46.43 | Seerah1 | not sure if that's the best fix though |
| 19:46.50 | Amarande | fewyn: in my experience, though, when I play mmos that have no or limited addon support, I find I don't really find myself wanting addons anyway |
| 19:46.55 | Kaelten | Seerah1: well that patch would mean that faction realm profiles and faction realm region profiles would be the same |
| 19:47.06 | Amarande | sw:tor's native ui customiser is pretty robust as it is |
| 19:47.21 | Seerah | like I said, may not be the best patch |
| 19:47.27 | fewyn | most of the time their uis are just plain bad |
| 19:47.30 | Kaelten | is there a new way of getting the region of the realm you're in? |
| 19:47.31 | Seerah | I haven't looked at anything yet |
| 19:47.36 | Amarande | I suppose there's the lack of auctioneer |
| 19:47.40 | Simca | Kaelten / Seerah I think there is a possible way to do it |
| 19:47.42 | Amarande | but I find that outside wow you don't really need auctioneer |
| 19:47.58 | Simca | I mentioned it in this thread: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=293230#post293230 |
| 19:48.04 | Amarande | because most non-wow mmos are f2p, and one of the limitations put on most if not all players (even subscribers usually have this sort of limit) is on ah slots per character |
| 19:48.21 | Amarande | when you can't post every little thing you find, the ah gets a lot more manageable by hand :) |
| 19:48.46 | Amarande | (also swtor in particular only allows buyouts, no bids, so that's one less thing to manage) |
| 19:49.10 | Simca | GetCVar("portal") seems to work even on fresh installs that don't have it set. it's like it is a session-based CVar or something |
| 19:49.22 | Simca | it is never written to config.wtf but it still works /shrug |
| 19:49.30 | Amarande | not sure how the ffxiv auction house works out though, since it's a subscription only game like wow so I'm not sure there's any significant limit on posting, and I haven't actually played ffxiv yet |
| 19:49.52 | Amarande | with wow unless you're on a dead server there's just so much stuff on the ah that you basically need an addon |
| 19:50.49 | Amarande | tbh, on the likes of area 52 or illidan, even the addons are practically overwhelmed :) |
| 19:50.58 | fewyn | ffxiv's ah is a mess |
| 19:51.03 | fewyn | tbqh |
| 19:51.12 | fewyn | at least it was at launch |
| 19:51.12 | Kaelten | what does GetCVar("portal") return on live? |
| 19:51.14 | fewyn | dunno about now |
| 19:51.21 | Amarande | illidan's has like 80k items on the ah, even the 'quick' scan takes several minutes to process |
| 19:51.30 | Amarande | and that on a xeon |
| 19:51.36 | foxlit | Kaelten: âEU" |
| 19:51.50 | Kaelten | foxlit: can you run string.sub(GetCVar("realmList"), 1, 2):upper() |
| 19:52.05 | foxlit | also EU, but I havenât run that. |
| 19:52.40 | Amarande | heh. guess on illidan the ah is so huge not only because of the population but because for the most part it's all many players can really do most of the time from level 40-85 |
| 19:52.54 | foxlit | (used GetCVar(ârealmListâ):match("^([^.]+)"):upper() beforehand) |
| 19:53.05 | Amarande | at 40 the crz ganking starts to get so bad that you basically might as well just go chill in org and queue instances and play the ah meanwhile :) |
| 19:54.20 | Simca | Kaelten: maybe something like this would be a robust solution - http://www.curseforge.com/paste/10352/ |
| 19:54.44 | jleclanche | Dagmar: do you know anything about bluetooth? |
| 19:55.27 | Kaelten | Simca: I'm working on something very similar |
| 19:57.00 | Simca | ah yeah, I forgot test realms are supposed to be called 'XX' anyway |
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| 20:01.52 | Kaelten | got minor version 24 pushed for AceDB |
| 20:01.56 | Kaelten | let me know if it doesn't work |
| 20:06.18 | Nimhfree | Hi all. I am trying to extend the GameTooltip contents that gets written when QuestMapLogTitleButton_OnEnter() is called. What is the best way to go about doing this? I have tried doing: hooksecurefunc("QuestMapLogTitleButton_OnEnter", function(blizzardQuestButton) and writing to GameTooltip, but it all appears out of the lovely little box created by the Blizzard code. |
| 20:06.34 | Nimhfree | oh, sorry, this is for WoD |
| 20:07.32 | Seerah | Nimhfree: you always have to call :Show() on the tooltip after adding text to make sure that it's sized appropriately |
| 20:08.15 | Nimhfree | I will check to ensure that is being doneâ¦it should be but I hacked this code together quickly with the WoD changes. :-) |
| 20:08.21 | Simca | yeah should be fine if you :Show() unless you're doing something weird |
| 20:08.49 | Simca | or if the tooltip isn't really a GameTooltip |
| 20:09.00 | Simca | i.e. BattlePetTooltips |
| 20:10.40 | Nimhfree | that was it! thanks Seerah, I missed the Show() in the special case I made for this WoD tooltip |
| 20:10.59 | Seerah | yw |
| 20:12.36 | Simca | Kaelten: works fine on Live and Beta |
| 20:13.01 | Simca | A+ |
| 20:13.05 | Kaelten | yay |
| 20:13.09 | Seerah | :D |
| 20:30.00 | Ressy | blech. forgot to reupdate ace3's toc. |
| 20:36.34 | Simca | blame blizz for disabling load out of date addons |
| 20:36.39 | Stanzilla | Ressy: sb wrote a simple tool for us lazy people yesterday https://github.com/sbWoW/sbTOCUpdater |
| 20:43.21 | Kaelten | Ressy: yeah seems premature to update the TOC though |
| 20:43.32 | Ressy | I didn't mean you. :P |
| 20:45.29 | A-KO | poke |
| 20:45.44 | A-KO | Ressy you should have come to Quakecon :P |
| 20:45.46 | A-KO | and LAN |
| 20:45.54 | fewyn | i live in dallas now |
| 20:45.56 | fewyn | i should have gone |
| 20:45.58 | fewyn | to quakecon |
| 20:46.03 | A-KO | heh. I'm here right nwo |
| 20:46.05 | fewyn | i didn't realize it was this week tho |
| 20:46.15 | A-KO | Kicking back in the lan party installing ESO |
| 20:46.19 | fewyn | just moved to dallas 3 weeks ago |
| 20:46.26 | A-KO | They gave free ESO to people |
| 20:46.26 | A-KO | lol |
| 20:46.29 | A-KO | all attendees |
| 20:46.36 | fewyn | eso is actually pretty fun |
| 20:46.45 | fewyn | not a huge fan of the "end game" leveling tho |
| 20:47.14 | jleclanche | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8058362 |
| 20:47.40 | jleclanche | so this is confirmation the US records train travel in EU/UK |
| 20:47.47 | jleclanche | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:48.01 | Ressy | A-KO, I was finishign Win7 installs @ work this week. |
| 20:49.03 | Stanzilla | Maldivia Ressy kd3|hate`net where do I get the upgrade to lvl 2 plans for the mine? |
| 20:49.53 | Ressy | vendor beside the table. |
| 20:50.10 | Ressy | Can't complete it though |
| 20:50.15 | Ressy | its bugged this patch |
| 20:50.25 | Stanzilla | he doesnt have any lvl 2 plans for me |
| 20:50.37 | Ressy | and you can't upgrade your garrison with an outstanding upgrade waiting. |
| 20:50.56 | Ressy | should be last page? |
| 20:51.18 | Stanzilla | https://cdn.mediacru.sh/6iCyx56iHrfB.png no? |
| 20:51.38 | Ressy | what level are you? |
| 20:51.41 | Stanzilla | 93 |
| 20:52.04 | Ressy | might be a level requirement? I can't remember :\ |
| 20:52.19 | kd3|hate`net | gotta be 93 |
| 20:52.26 | Stanzilla | well I am :D |
| 20:52.41 | Stanzilla | 94 then maybe? |
| 20:52.46 | kd3 | the alliance garrison should have a vendor then |
| 20:52.59 | Stanzilla | yea no lvl 2 plans there, though |
| 20:53.23 | Stanzilla | ah well, I'll just ride around gorgrond and look for more quests |
| 20:53.34 | Stanzilla | I ended up without a followup yesterday |
| 20:53.57 | kd3 | there's been lots of complaints that gorgrond just stops |
| 20:54.16 | Stanzilla | ok, where does talador start then? |
| 20:54.21 | kd3 | at 94 |
| 20:54.25 | Stanzilla | damn |
| 21:11.14 | zenzelezz | headline on local news website... "Teen in tractor collides with train - was split in half". Open the article and it turns out it was the tractor, not the teen that was split |
| 21:12.25 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: http://cocksabreasthostility.com/ seen this one? |
| 21:12.52 | Amarande | btw, has crafting been finalised yet, or is that for a later stage? |
| 21:13.36 | Amarande | Gorgrond ... why does that remind me of somewhere from another RPG world |
| 21:14.24 | zenzelezz | crafting was deemed too hard core, it has been removed to make the game more casual-friendly |
| 21:14.55 | Amarande | hah |
| 21:15.01 | Amarande | I think that would actually kill off a lot of casual players' interest |
| 21:15.13 | Amarande | crafting is one of those things that people who don't have the time or inclination to raid tend to flock to |
| 21:15.44 | Amarande | ah, now I remember what Gorgrond reminded me of ... there's a place called the Chasm of Gorgoron in the Lone Wolf series |
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| 21:20.07 | Semlar | do animations in WoD apply their finished state to the frame |
| 21:20.46 | Gragagrogog | Omfg theyre testing bosses on 21. |
| 21:20.49 | Semlar | someone mentioned my addon that uses an alpha animation stays stuck visible when the animation finishes |
| 21:22.09 | Neffi | https://i.imgur.com/vHWOYAU.gif |
| 21:25.47 | Stanzilla | wohoo, found a quest |
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| 23:12.52 | jleclanche | YEAH |
| 23:12.54 | jleclanche | http://dpaste.com/3853MP7 |
| 23:12.58 | jleclanche | this is what i buy headphones for ^ |
| 23:13.27 | Alram | i dont get it |
| 23:13.34 | Alram | explain for us dumb people jleclanche |
| 23:13.55 | Alram | is that the battery level of your headphones or wot |
| 23:13.59 | jleclanche | my headset has an internal api over rfcomm which i totally didnt reverse engineer |
| 23:14.27 | p3lim | anyone compiled an API diff yet? |
| 23:16.14 | Alram | for WoD? |
| 23:16.17 | p3lim | ye |
| 23:16.20 | Alram | http://wowpedia.org/Patch_6.0.1/API_changes |
| 23:16.22 | Alram | there's that |
| 23:16.25 | Alram | but i dont know how up to date it is |
| 23:16.38 | Alram | should probably poke Simca for that |
| 23:16.49 | p3lim | what is the current build? |
| 23:16.53 | Alram | 18566 |
| 23:16.54 | Simca | 18566 |
| 23:17.07 | p3lim | it's a bit old then |
| 23:17.14 | Simca | that API diff is accurate for anything that will have -changed- from MoP probably |
| 23:17.20 | Simca | new stuff will be different |
| 23:17.26 | p3lim | ye |
| 23:17.29 | Simca | but their changes were very small/light |
| 23:17.46 | Simca | (outside of the quest log - quest log addons are fucked) |
| 23:17.58 | p3lim | I heard GetSpellInfo got changed a lot |
| 23:18.54 | Simca | mmm, I don't think so |
| 23:19.05 | Simca | maybe some new args or some of the later args were changed |
| 23:19.34 | Simca | returns* |
| 23:19.39 | Simca | but i have multiple addons that rely on the beginning returns and they work fine |
| 23:19.50 | p3lim | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49493 |
| 23:19.56 | Simca | GetContinentName (or something like that) changed and broke LibMapData |
| 23:20.04 | p3lim | they nicked 3 args in the middle |
| 23:20.06 | Ressy | that would explain things |
| 23:25.09 | Nimhfree | GetMapContinents, GetMapZones, UnitGUID, GetQuestLogTitle all have changes that need some massaging |
| 23:28.01 | Simca | UnitGUID, really? |
| 23:28.15 | Simca | is that another one where later returns changed |
| 23:28.17 | Gethe | GetMapContinents returns the mapID now also, i noted it on the wiki |
| 23:28.24 | Simca | because I use that constantly and it works fine |
| 23:28.33 | Simca | it's IDing and naming everything I kill |
| 23:28.46 | p3lim | Simca: they changed the entire GUID syntax |
| 23:28.58 | p3lim | For players: Player:[server ID]:[player UID] (Example: "Player:976:0002FD64") |
| 23:29.04 | p3lim | For creatures, pets and vehicles: [Unit type]:0:[server ID]:[instance ID]:[zone UID]:[Npc ID]:[Spawn UID] (Example: "Creature:0:976:0:11:31146:000136DF91") |
| 23:29.29 | p3lim | think of hyperlinks and you get the idea of how they are gonna work |
| 23:29.38 | Simca | weird |
| 23:29.44 | p3lim | good weird though |
| 23:29.55 | Simca | no i mean my addon still works |
| 23:30.05 | Simca | the way i implemented it must have been really weird |
| 23:30.11 | p3lim | :[ |
| 23:30.15 | p3lim | :p* |
| 23:30.38 | p3lim | GetTalentInfo has large changes too it seems |
| 23:30.57 | Simca | i imagine, since talents are spec-specific now |
| 23:31.39 | p3lim | it used to be (index[, isInspect, talentGroup, inspectedUnit, classID]), now it's (tier, column, talentGroup[, isInspect, inspectUnit]) |
| 23:31.42 | Simca | do you know the syntax of GUID for objects |
| 23:31.44 | Simca | or item containers |
| 23:31.50 | p3lim | no |
| 23:31.55 | Simca | k i'll check it out |
| 23:36.26 | Nimhfree | I believe it uses "GameObject" for the [Unit type] |
| 23:43.30 | Torhal | Nimhfree: It is for mailboxes, that I do know. |
| 23:43.36 | Semlar | vignette IDs now look like this "Vignette:0:970:1116:7:0:0017CAE465" (for rare mob sulfurious) |
| 23:43.54 | Nimhfree | it is for the quest boards in cities as well |
| 23:43.54 | p3lim | what's a vignette? |
| 23:44.02 | Semlar | er the rare mob icons on the minimap |
| 23:44.24 | Semlar | i'm assuming the last part is the spawn id |
| 23:44.33 | Semlar | i don't know what the rest is |
| 23:44.52 | Semlar | none of it appears to contain the npc id |
| 23:45.08 | p3lim | modelID might be one of them |
| 23:45.14 | Semlar | model would be nice |
| 23:45.30 | Semlar | although none of the numbers appear to match the display id from wowhead |
| 23:45.41 | Semlar | http://beta.wowhead.com/npc=80725 this is the mob it's for |
| 23:45.55 | Semlar | the display id is 58882 |
| 23:47.01 | Semlar | i don't have access to the beta so this is secondhand info from someone helping me |
| 23:47.08 | p3lim | same |
| 23:47.47 | Semlar | oh yeah, and the function C_Vignettes.GetVignetteInstanceID was apparently removed |
| 23:48.30 | Semlar | which you used to be able to use to get the vignette ID for a given icon |
| 23:48.57 | p3lim | never seen vignettes at all, I left the game during the start of MoP |
| 23:49.25 | Semlar | basically rare mobs appear on your minimap |
| 23:49.32 | Semlar | like nodes |
| 23:49.38 | p3lim | just the new ones or is it retroactivly added too? |
| 23:49.48 | Semlar | on live it's only mobs in pandaria |
| 23:49.53 | p3lim | figured |
| 23:49.59 | Semlar | and presumably everything after that |
| 23:50.29 | Semlar | it's not just rares though, they have icons for chests and stuff |
| 23:50.37 | Semlar | events |
| 23:50.42 | p3lim | cool |
| 23:50.51 | Semlar | it was mostly added for the timeless isle i think |
| 23:52.23 | Semlar | what exactly does the "spawn UID" consist of |
| 23:52.30 | Semlar | is it just a unique id for that unit |
| 23:52.38 | p3lim | I suppose |
| 23:52.51 | Semlar | you can't pull the npc id out of it or anything |
| 23:53.11 | Simca | it gives you the NPC ID |
| 23:53.12 | p3lim | npcID is part of the GUID for creatures, pets and vehicles |
| 23:53.23 | Semlar | but not provided for the vignettes as far as i can tell |
| 23:53.49 | Semlar | i'd like to be able to show a model for the unit |
| 23:53.53 | Simca | Semlar: back to the dbcs again |
| 23:53.59 | Simca | OH NO, back to the dbcs again |
| 23:54.01 | Semlar | but without the display id or the npc id i won't be able to |
| 23:54.13 | Simca | Vignettes.db2 has Vignette IDs |
| 23:54.31 | p3lim | ah, for npcscan? |
| 23:54.39 | Semlar | similar to npc scan |
| 23:54.51 | Semlar | but like 5 lines of code |
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| 23:55.13 | p3lim | I remember tekkub made an alternative to npcscan too, called MediumRare |
| 23:56.01 | Simca | Sulfurious is Vignette 340 though |
| 23:56.06 | Simca | and that's not in the GUID either |
| 23:56.21 | p3lim | maybe intentional |
| 23:56.38 | Semlar | did you find anything useful in the db2 file |
| 23:56.39 | Simca | might want to qq to blizzard to replace that "0" in the NPCID slot of the Vignette GUID with the proper Vignette ID value |
| 23:56.44 | Simca | should be very easy for them |
| 23:57.01 | Semlar | well they give you the name of the mob, i don't see why they shouldn't give you the npc id |
| 23:57.12 | Simca | oh haha |
| 23:57.17 | Simca | it's the same way in the db2 |
| 23:57.28 | Simca | nevermind then, i thought npc name would be good enough |
| 23:57.43 | Semlar | like you can query the name of the mob from one of the vignette functions |
| 23:58.01 | Semlar | sort of, it's localized and i have definitely seen typos |
| 23:58.11 | Semlar | i can't remember which mob it was |
| 23:58.36 | p3lim | string comparisons are never good imo |
| 23:58.49 | Semlar | can you give me the entire sulfurious row from the db2 file? |
| 23:59.04 | Semlar | i'm not really set up to extract that |
| 23:59.47 | p3lim | I'm considering renaming HabeebIt for 6.0 |
