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| 00:13.30 | Sintacks | these CLEU scripts don't even actually "trigger" to untrigger. heh. they do what i want them to do inside the trigger |
| 00:17.41 | Shirik | http://moviepilot.com/posts/2014/07/09/the-resistance-is-alive-in-second-mockingjay-trailer-1698835?lt_source=external,manual#!bbOPDX |
| 00:23.54 | Shirik | wait a sec |
| 00:23.59 | Shirik | part 1? |
| 00:24.02 | Shirik | screw you guys |
| 00:29.06 | Sintacks | you didn't know that already ... |
| 00:29.09 | Sintacks | gotta make dat money |
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| 00:32.17 | Jamash | are there Hunger Games Happy Meals? because if not that's a golden opportunity |
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| 00:45.55 | Shirik | "Justin Bieber must pay $80,900 in damages and serve two years on probation after pleading no contest Wednesday to a misdemeanor vandalism charge for throwing eggs at a neighbor's home." |
| 00:46.06 | Shirik | As much as I hate him, do eggs really do $80k in damages? |
| 00:48.39 | Semlar | the eggs were cursed |
| 00:49.50 | Semlar | there's obviously more to the story because you don't get 2 years probation and 80 grand in fees for throwing eggs |
| 00:51.17 | kullervo | Shirik: eggs could ruin the paint but it's likely not $80k |
| 00:51.53 | Shirik | Semlar: well he was also guilty of the offense of being Justin Bieber |
| 00:53.02 | Semlar | yeah well you have to consider he probably lives in a rather wealthy neighborhood |
| 00:55.17 | kullervo | oh if it's something else than paint, fixing it could easily cost 80 grands |
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| 01:39.52 | Neffi | Shirik: The problem is, $200 in damages isn't a deterrent to a millionaire |
| 01:40.15 | Neffi | I would argue for higher damages, because of the intent |
| 01:49.01 | Sintacks | can't respond to readycheck: http://i.imgur.com/hH17v30.png |
| 01:51.51 | Shirik | not as bad as the problem I had in wildstar yesterday |
| 01:52.04 | Shirik | the ready button acted as the not ready button |
| 01:55.02 | Sintacks | i need to either make markbar lower than the readycheck level, or make randomreadycheck also make it higerh |
| 01:57.44 | Arrowmaster | the hell, now im bored why did i even come home tonight |
| 01:57.58 | Arrowmaster | had more people than i could keep track of texting me earlier and now nothing |
| 02:02.53 | Arrowmaster | oh another person is texting me now, how the fuck to i keep track of all these people :D |
| 02:05.12 | kd3|hate`net | oh that's amusing, getting failed to dereference transport asserts just standing still in the tanaan intro (not near any vehicles) |
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| 04:19.59 | Neffi | lol https://imgur.com/gallery/n9g9b |
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| 04:34.46 | Amarande | *blink* |
| 04:34.52 | Amarande | Get your Jenkins title while you can! |
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| 04:35.34 | Amarande | apparently the Rookery and whelps are going to be gone altogether in WoD |
| 04:36.02 | Amarande | (heh, interesting ... also apparently UBRS will be ALL of BRS in WoD, it looks like ... LBRS is going away too) |
| 04:36.54 | Amarande | hmm ... come to think of it, I'm starting to be unsure if I want to come back to WoW for the expansion now :( |
| 04:37.03 | Amarande | seems like so much of the fun old school stuff is going away :( |
| 04:37.48 | Amarande | Old Scarlet Monastery? Gone. Old Scholomance? Gone. Old Stratholme? Somewhat gone. Old Blackrock Spire? Gone. Crafting? Semi-marginalised. |
| 04:38.08 | Simca | scarlet monastery and scholomance were gone last expansion |
| 04:38.16 | Iriel | This amused me to no end today: https://twitter.com/JKent__/status/483370298511990785 |
| 04:38.16 | Amarande | And the new instances just don't have that same je ne sais quoi as the old ones generally :( |
| 04:38.23 | Amarande | Simca: yeah, it's more of a trend, sadly |
| 04:38.25 | Simca | and scholomance has identical architecture |
| 04:38.43 | kd3|hate`net | you just can't get lost in scholo any more |
| 04:39.07 | Amarande | The fact that they changed Scholo felt especially saddening, too, I always thought that place was nigh perfect |
| 04:39.19 | Amarande | and a lot of mog gear is gone for good, too |
| 04:39.35 | Amarande | but yeah, design wise? the only place I ever felt really feels anywhere near the same as old Scholo is Kara |
| 04:39.38 | kd3 | if there's mog gear you can't find, tweet at the item devs, they'll readd it |
| 04:40.24 | Simca | I don't think I've ever seen anyone care about a dungeon revamp in a negative way, especially in the case of scholo, which barely changed |
| 04:40.41 | Amarande | kd3: even those sets that used to drop from the 6 bosses in Scholo? pretty sure those were written off as gone-for-good when it changed |
| 04:40.41 | Simca | the only major changes were that the boss fights were more interesting than 2 abilities |
| 04:41.13 | Amarande | yeah, it's not as drastic as SM |
| 04:41.16 | kd3 | did you write it off or did a dev say that loot's gone for good? |
| 04:42.00 | Simca | it's the old obscure stamina/armor cloth sets with move speed set bonus and other weird stuff |
| 04:42.06 | Gethe | Amarande: LBRS isn't going away, they are just splitting them up properly into UBRS and LBRS. two portals |
| 04:42.22 | Amarande | kd3: it seemed to be generally accepted, I think they're still "this item is no longer available to players" in wowhead, I'll have to look |
| 04:42.23 | Amarande | http://www.wowhead.com/item=14624 |
| 04:42.28 | Amarande | frex |
| 04:42.49 | kd3 | but is the same model available elsewhere? |
| 04:42.55 | Simca | yeah |
| 04:43.26 | Simca | apparently only the belt color is unique |
| 04:45.41 | Amarande | kd3: Deathbone and Necropile are, Cadaverous and Bloodmail are not |
| 04:45.47 | Amarande | those were the 4 sets that dropped from those bosses |
| 04:46.18 | Amarande | at least a quick check of a random piece for each revealed a "same model as" for the first 2 (and at least similar colour) but not the others |
| 04:46.55 | kd3 | well, poke @TheCrafticus with "hey, can we get this model back?" |
| 04:47.09 | Amarande | ah, they're doing that? niiiiiice. :) |
| 04:47.38 | Amarande | Gethe: that's weird ... how can you split BRS like that, aren't you currently actually able to fall from UBRS into LBRS territory? |
| 04:47.41 | Simca | this was the set I was remembering http://www.wowhead.com/itemset=520 |
| 04:47.45 | Simca | so bad |
| 04:47.58 | Amarande | as in it's all interconnected in that badass get-lost way that classic dungeons had :) |
| 04:48.18 | Amarande | I think the only one that was ever really "simple" in any way was Stratholme, of the top level ones anyways heh |
| 04:48.36 | Amarande | which hasn't changed much either apart from not being able to cross between halves |
| 04:49.04 | Amarande | I wonder how long before the QQ will come in about UBRS though (mostly because it's so iconic, more than anything else) |
| 04:49.16 | Simca | idk |
| 04:49.29 | Simca | again I've never seen a complaint about a revamp before here and I mod forums sooo |
| 04:49.35 | Gethe | couldnt you jump the bridge in scholo before the redo? |
| 04:49.45 | kd3 | in the first room? yah |
| 04:49.46 | Amarande | well, unlike most of the older classic 60 dungeons which were mostly forgotten anyhow until they were made low enough level for LFD |
| 04:49.52 | Gethe | cant anymore |
| 04:49.52 | Amarande | everyone pretty much knows UBRS, thanks to the Leeroy legend |
| 04:49.56 | Simca | I imagine they'll just teleport you when you go below a specific Z coordinate in UBRS |
| 04:50.21 | Simca | Leeroy is in the new UBRS, and there is a new method for obtaining Jenkins |
| 04:50.49 | Simca | it probably won't be the easiest title in the game anymore though |
| 04:50.52 | Amarande | Simca: ah, a different achievement then ... since the Rookery is apparently gone altogether according to kotaku's article |
| 04:51.10 | Amarande | I guess it wasn't much of an achievement at 90, though, heh |
| 04:51.22 | Amarande | at 80 it could actually still be, largely because of the fact that total damage from AoE's is, to my recollection, capped |
| 04:51.50 | Simca | it wasn't at wrath launch when achievements happened, don't think they capped it until later in wrath |
| 04:51.51 | Amarande | so there's only so many whelps you can actually kill (or even survive, tbh, since physical hits seem to be 100% from instance mobs regardless of level delta) all in one go |
| 04:52.11 | Amarande | that's one feature I've never quite wrapped around mentally, heh |
| 04:52.26 | Amarande | at "normal" levels, spellcasters are the danger mobs more often in instances (excluding a few extreme examples like Shattered Halls) |
| 04:52.47 | Amarande | because spells usually hurt bad compared to your stats at that level |
| 04:52.47 | Simca | but yeah there were a lot of ways to do it, even after the aoe change, you could use a thorns potion even |
| 04:53.35 | Amarande | buuuuuut ... at higher levels, while mobs' spell hit drops off to near-never like you'd expect it to (with a very few specific exceptions like fears and stuns), physical hits still hit basically always |
| 04:53.40 | Amarande | wonder why the physical doesn't level off too :S |
| 04:53.51 | Amarande | it does for players against higher level mobs, after all, just like spell hit |
| 04:54.16 | Simca | pretty sure that's changing in WoD |
| 04:54.26 | kd3 | it does, in warlords: http://wowpedia.org/Attack_table#Creature_melee_and_ranged_attacks |
| 04:54.29 | Amarande | I suppose without that feature it would be even more trivial to solo low level content, but it always seemed strange from a design standpoint |
| 04:54.30 | Amarande | ah |
| 04:55.09 | Simca | they're actually doing expansion-based damage increases as well, which is weird |
| 04:55.30 | kd3 | just to soothe over the 'zomg item squish means I can't solo MC any more' folks |
| 04:55.51 | Simca | currently if you use extremely high ilvl gear from Cata (the stuff with an 'equip level 80' minimum, you can walk into ICC at 80 and oneshot things |
| 04:56.04 | Amarande | Simca: yeah, it's because of the item squish I'm thinking |
| 04:56.07 | Simca | yeah |
| 04:56.24 | Amarande | because the rule with that was that you were supposed to still be able to (or not be able to) solo content just like before |
| 04:56.38 | Simca | yeah it's just not inituitive at all |
| 04:56.47 | Simca | and there will be a lot of edge cases |
| 04:56.49 | Amarande | but now that they're eliminating the large boundary jumps ... |
| 04:57.00 | Amarande | yeah, does the cata crossover get easier, harder, or stay the same? |
| 04:57.13 | Amarande | (that's probably the most measurable thing, since it's the most drastic jump when you're leveling) |
| 04:57.33 | kd3 | it should get easier... the netherstorm->borean tundra transition basically doubled stats before the squish. it doesn't now |
| 04:57.39 | Amarande | also Blizzard seems to like to care about 'expansion boundaries' now, even for expansions that are included in the base package now |
| 04:58.13 | Simca | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/13087818929?page=2#37 Amarande |
| 04:58.25 | Amarande | which is like, everything up to Cata, and if patterns stay patterns I can only assume that MoP will join the base package sometime during WoD |
| 04:58.38 | Amarande | (probably not at launch, since it seems like they wait till a ways into the new expansion before the old one joins base) |
| 04:59.11 | Amarande | but e.g. you get things like nerfed XP for content that's from the "previous expansion" despite the fact that it's still green or even yellow |
| 04:59.42 | Amarande | not 100% sure when that started, I think Cata because with Wrath I was still able to get to 62-64 before Outland easily |
| 05:00.09 | Amarande | (if you did all the 55-60 old world zones it was easy to get at least to 62 if not more) |
| 05:00.33 | Amarande | which I found nice because it lets you skip straight to Zangarmarsh when you get to Outland, don't have to worry about Hellfire at all :) |
| 05:01.39 | Amarande | Simca: wait a minute, those don't seem to line up |
| 05:01.40 | Amarande | MaxPlayerLevelsByExpansion = {69, 79, 84, 89, 0, 0} |
| 05:01.41 | Amarande | IntendedItemLevelByExpansion = {65, 115, 200, 346, 0, 0} |
| 05:01.59 | Amarande | the first ones are obviously BC, Wrath, Cata, Mists, but the second ones are obviously Vanilla, BC, Wrath, Cata |
| 05:02.42 | Amarande | unless I'm reading it wrong and the former is the level you should be leaving an expansion, the latter is the ilvl you're expected to enter it with? |
| 05:02.54 | Simca | I guess they're counting 1-69 as Vanilla |
| 05:03.02 | Simca | 70-79 as TBC |
| 05:03.05 | Simca | kind of weird |
| 05:03.16 | Simca | but the level at which you'd do the raid content is right |
| 05:03.25 | Simca | i.e. you can't do TBC raid content until 70 |
| 05:03.35 | Amarande | although if you're now balanced to enter Outland with i65 gear and Cata with i200 gear that could be pretty painful heh |
| 05:03.37 | Simca | so i guess that's when TBC 'starts' for the purposes of this system |
| 05:03.59 | Amarande | that would assume you did top level instances for vanilla and wrath, which almost nobody ever does |
| 05:04.29 | Amarande | actually with current leveling progression entering cata is especially brutal, because you're likely to hit 80 so soon into Northrend that you probably won't even have the green 174 stuff from stormpeaks and icecrown, let alone 200 |
| 05:04.44 | Simca | nah that's all anyone ever needs help with in terms of old content soloing though |
| 05:05.03 | Amarande | heh I think I was in a mix of 138-162 stuff when I got to Vashj'ir on Kiruna ... took me a little bit of harrowing to get my Cata wings :P |
| 05:05.08 | Simca | you don't need wrath level assistance to run Nexus, but you might to run Dragon Soul |
| 05:05.19 | Simca | err not Dragon Soul, wrong expansion |
| 05:05.21 | Simca | but you get the idea |
| 05:07.32 | Amarande | otoh, I have to say the xp nerf has its nice aspect too |
| 05:07.55 | Amarande | it's good for loremasters and completionists, because you actually stand a chance of completing some content at the top level of each expansion without blazing right through it AND the next expansion :) |
| 05:08.55 | Amarande | and some of us do like to finish up our quests before moving on instead of abandoning them ... well at least normal quests |
| 05:09.03 | Amarande | I'll stick to doing say netherwing at 90, tyvm :) |
| 05:09.24 | Amarande | even at 80 those dragonmaw ascendants hit like trucks |
| 05:10.07 | Amarande | (at 70 they were essentially 100% unsurvivable, unless you were a well geared prot pally or you were, ironically, the one class that has the least interest in doing netherwing in the first place, heh) |
| 05:12.22 | Amarande | yeah, this stuff looks pretty interesting |
| 05:12.33 | Amarande | I might wait a bit after expansion launch this time, just to see how it all pans out though |
| 05:12.47 | Amarande | especially since I like to craft and it feels like crafting is getting marginalised this time |
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| 06:03.33 | Sintacks | my +5V is running at 6.247V |
| 06:04.14 | Kalroth | need mo' powaaa |
| 06:08.32 | Fisker | Stop Sintacks |
| 06:10.15 | Kalroth | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plZAxtEEikY this is our song, Fisker |
| 06:14.31 | Sintacks | +5V's Fisker |
| 06:19.40 | Neffi | Sintacks: I'm no math pro or anything but I think that might be out of spec ;) |
| 06:20.05 | Neffi | If it's new, I'd RMA it. If not, I'd consider replacing it |
| 06:22.53 | karl_w_w | or find out how its wired and put everything on the same rail |
| 06:23.03 | karl_w_w | that's sure to not blow it up |
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| 06:49.23 | Neffi | there's probably only 1 +5v rail though |
| 06:51.20 | Neffi | However if you crossload it, feed from +12v and ground into your +5v (that's actually 6.247), you'll be closer to spec at 5.753 |
| 06:51.51 | Neffi | though this might put it even further out of spec |
| 06:53.33 | Kalroth | can't you just use the extra 1.247V on something else, like a led christmas tree |
| 06:55.35 | Shirik | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLZUKqpXYzU |
| 07:00.32 | Neffi | Oh wow, the spec calls for 5% tolerance. You're way out. |
| 07:00.40 | Neffi | I thought it was 15% on the 5v for some reason |
| 07:01.18 | Shirik | http://theoatmeal.com/comics/aliens_b_word |
| 07:01.48 | Shirik | also, I'm pretty sure if your 5V rail goes to 6.2V the PSU's protection mechanisms are supposed to kill power |
| 07:01.56 | Shirik | the PSU is supposed to monitor its own output both high and low |
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| 07:03.14 | Shirik | oh no |
| 07:03.17 | Shirik | it's supposed to cut power at 7V |
| 07:03.41 | Shirik | or rather, the requirement is to cut power by 7V, but it can do it as early as 5.7 |
| 07:04.01 | Neffi | s/can/can and should/ |
| 07:04.14 | Shirik | http://i.gyazo.com/c16a965b0331928ae8d509ca91b3dc77.png |
| 07:04.28 | Shirik | it really shouldn't do it at 5.7 |
| 07:04.33 | Shirik | it should do it around 6.3 |
| 07:04.47 | Shirik | 5.7 would be hard to manufacture consistently |
| 07:12.22 | Shirik | oh wow |
| 07:12.27 | Shirik | Isis mobile wallet has decided to change their name |
| 07:17.09 | Kalroth | they didnt like the Archer reference, obviously! |
| 07:20.17 | Shirik | oh holy shit |
| 07:20.20 | Shirik | e-QIP got hacked |
| 07:20.50 | Shirik | literally the system that contains the life story of anyone that has ever applied for a security clearance |
| 07:21.58 | Cairenn | ... in the USA |
| 07:22.08 | Cairenn | and, that's not good |
| 07:22.50 | Shirik | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:22.53 | Shirik | well that's good at least |
| 07:25.16 | mitch0 | Shirik: so your life story is out in the wild now? |
| 07:25.23 | Shirik | no idea |
| 07:25.34 | Shirik | I would imagine the details of the break-in are TS |
| 07:35.26 | karl_w_w | implying any data in the USA was secure in the first place |
| 07:35.55 | Sintacks | re: my PSU. it's been like this for ... 2 years? |
| 07:36.40 | karl_w_w | maybe your mobo is just detecting it wrong |
| 07:36.47 | Sintacks | possible. |
| 07:37.15 | karl_w_w | maybe you're made of ice cream and we shouldn't believe your pineapple |
| 07:38.00 | Sintacks | wtf is wrong with you karl_w_w |
| 07:40.22 | Kalroth | rude |
| 07:41.59 | karl_w_w | it's ok Kalroth, ice cream tends to be cold and closed-off |
| 07:42.30 | Kalroth | what flavor |
| 07:42.45 | karl_w_w | cookies and cream |
| 07:43.06 | Kalroth | :O |
| 07:43.10 | Kalroth | licks Sintacks |
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| 10:52.26 | karl_w_w | http://youtubeadblocker.com/ I haven't seen such a shady looking website in a long time |
| 11:00.52 | Sintacks | Stanzilla, i have no idea what the hell i'm reading looking at tranismission.lua |
| 11:01.43 | Sintacks | so that's what the scam prevention is... |
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| 11:48.04 | Sintacks | lol @ beta. keep finding random addons, in stock UI. |
| 11:48.10 | Sintacks | blizzard is good at thatl. |
| 11:49.03 | sb | addon source or just addon functionality? |
| 11:49.13 | Sintacks | functionailty. and looks. |
| 11:49.42 | Sintacks | random favorite mount thing. the right click menu for setting a fav is the same three choices from an addon. |
| 11:49.51 | sb | the new bag handling is nice ("put all equipment stuff here") - it also "marks" junk, hope they are going to implement auto-vendoring for marked items |
| 11:50.04 | Sintacks | the junk icon when yoyu are at a vendor is the same color icon as an addon |
| 11:50.21 | sb | oh, is there some junk button now? |
| 11:50.28 | Sintacks | not that i see. |
| 11:50.41 | Sintacks | but when i visisted the vendor, all the greys got a new icon on them showing they are grey. |
| 11:50.45 | Sintacks | afk |
| 11:51.07 | sb | yep |
| 11:55.11 | Maldivia | junk items have a gold-coin on them in the inventory |
| 11:57.29 | sb | yes, but nothing happens with gold-coin items |
| 11:57.32 | sb | (at the moment) |
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| 13:06.22 | karl_w_w | how to live life 20 seconds at a time: watch youtube videos |
| 13:15.35 | mitch0 | or this: http://www.sorting-algorithms.com/ |
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| 13:28.58 | karl_w_w | "Show that there is no best sorting algorithm." |
| 13:29.06 | karl_w_w | but there is apparently a worst |
| 13:29.28 | Maldivia | you can _always_ make something that's worse |
| 13:29.47 | Workfoz | bogosort? |
| 13:33.17 | Workfoz | in any case: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPRA0W1kECg |
| 13:33.25 | Constie | People have come up with worse ones. |
| 13:34.03 | sb | bogosort much love! |
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| 13:51.40 | Workfoz | Quantum Bogosort |
| 13:52.54 | karl_w_w | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3JK_2GLBSk this is awesome :D |
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| 14:02.50 | Simca | oh god karl_w_w |
| 14:02.53 | Simca | that's amazing |
| 14:04.16 | Fisker | It really isn't Simca :( |
| 14:07.48 | Simca | the button placement is my favorite |
| 14:08.15 | Fisker | It's worse than potato salad on kickstarter |
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| 14:08.28 | Simca | it's like somebody just closed their eyes in visual studio and clicked everywhere to make buttons |
| 14:08.34 | Simca | amazing |
| 14:08.48 | bluspacecow | [!] |
| 14:08.52 | bluspacecow | A Simca appears |
| 14:08.55 | Fisker | please Simca |
| 14:08.56 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:08.58 | Fisker | no bluspacecow |
| 14:09.06 | Fisker | I see they finally fixed their beta |
| 14:09.07 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 14:09.10 | Fisker | only took half a year or so |
| 14:09.13 | bluspacecow | y so mean! |
| 14:09.19 | bluspacecow | meany mc meany pants |
| 14:09.25 | Simca | <karl_w_w> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3JK_2GLBSk this is awesome :D |
| 14:09.31 | Simca | we were talking about this amazing game |
| 14:09.32 | bluspacecow | qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq |
| 14:09.44 | Fisker | I'm dying Simca |
| 14:09.51 | Fisker | I'm physically hurting |
| 14:09.53 | Fisker | ;_; |
| 14:10.00 | Fisker | also mentally |
| 14:10.07 | Simca | quick, get the blindfold and open visual studio |
| 14:10.13 | Simca | cure all ills |
| 14:10.22 | Fisker | I don't want to live on this planet anymore |
| 14:10.38 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:10.45 | Fisker | Not cool bluspacecow |
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| 14:24.36 | karl_w_w | i literally only get 180 KB/s download speed from youtube |
| 14:25.15 | karl_w_w | when it's actually working |
| 14:27.05 | karl_w_w | we need a new video host |
| 14:29.42 | Workfoz | or you need a better isp :D |
| 14:30.44 | Kodiack | ^^ |
| 14:31.40 | bluspacecow | lol |
| 14:37.44 | karl_w_w | I'm not allowed a better ISP, some stupid politicians said so |
| 14:37.57 | Workfoz | yours could improve, then! |
| 14:38.12 | Workfoz | by installing youtube servers in their network, like my previous isp had :\ |
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| 14:58.54 | Stanzilla | Sintacks: transmission is one of the more understandable parts thoguh |
| 15:01.06 | karl_w_w | what do people use post-truecrypt? |
| 15:01.46 | Dagmar | rot25 |
| 15:02.28 | Dagmar | There's not really a good reason to abandon TC altogether just yet |
| 15:02.39 | Dagmar | People are slightly overreacting about the canary event |
| 15:10.33 | Dagmar | It served two purposes very clearly. |
| 15:10.52 | Dagmar | 1. It let everyone know that a gov't agency is for _certain_ nosing about the developers. |
| 15:11.42 | Dagmar | 2. It let everyone know that new versions of TrueCrypt released after that point would almost certainly be compromised, because the developers would otherwise have no way to really prove they didn't sign off on those changes |
| 15:13.49 | Simca | i don't understand why there isn't an open source format that is widely used, especially since the more secure forms of encryption (256-bit+) are essentially uncrackable |
| 15:14.16 | Dagmar | because math is hard and cryptographic math, especially so |
| 15:14.43 | Dagmar | While being good at programming requires a high IQ and doing cryptography requires a high IQ, typically there's no other reason for these two disciplines to overlap |
| 15:15.34 | Dagmar | Basically, you're expecting there's more people who are a part of _both_ edge-case groups than there actually is |
| 15:16.02 | Dagmar | When it comes to this and a few other things, the Internet's reach is not as infinite as it would be useful to see |
| 15:16.49 | Simca | yeah, i guess so |
| 15:17.38 | Dagmar | The people who are _really_ good at crypto are actually pretty rare |
| 15:17.52 | Dagmar | Maybe one in a hundred people could be good at coding |
| 15:18.04 | Dagmar | Crypto's more like one in ten thousands |
| 15:24.43 | karl_w_w | those are probably both a big overestimate |
| 15:42.06 | Dagmar | That's true but I think the proportions to each other are about right |
| 15:42.28 | Dagmar | I mean, I know about where I fall on that scale, and it's not really within the functional-crypto people space |
| 15:42.48 | Dagmar | I cam up with a ZKP mechanism two years before RSA but I had not a fucking clue how to definitively "prove" it |
| 15:43.18 | Dagmar | All I could really say is "everything gets xored with 50% entropy" |
| 15:44.13 | Dagmar | ...which basically works, but people expect fancy LaTeX diagrams to prove cryptographic protocols. |
| 15:44.19 | bluspacecow | XOR ALL THE THINGS |
| 15:44.30 | Dagmar | ...and I just needed something that wasn't MITMable that could be used over IRC |
| 15:45.02 | Dagmar | bluspacecow: Not that type of XOR. The OTP type of XOR. |
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| 16:15.39 | zenzelezz | http://i.imgur.com/TzZ1Eja.jpg |
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| 16:23.07 | Ackis | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTDEMymgWjk |
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| 16:55.53 | Shirik | Cairenn: https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/t1.0-9/10514488_598471216933570_5112777905883932995_n.jpg |
| 16:57.23 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 16:59.44 | Unkle | Shirik: "Are they good to eat?" |
| 17:06.52 | Lopeppeppy | I want to break the copy/paste feature on some people's computers. Rawr. |
| 17:20.50 | TC-Work | Do it. |
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| 17:27.06 | VIad | ugh... I hate trying to decode network communication protocols :( |
| 17:27.20 | zenzelezz | you do it often? |
| 17:27.30 | VIad | the few times I want to, its awfull |
| 17:27.41 | zenzelezz | so which protocol are you working on now? |
| 17:28.01 | VIad | logged packets from udp communication between dota 2 and the source tv server for watching live games |
| 17:28.16 | VIad | the client sends a packet, receives a packet, then returns a reply that generates a password |
| 17:28.16 | zenzelezz | "watching live games", right |
| 17:28.41 | VIad | i.e. the password generated is probably created from the handshake :P |
| 17:28.45 | VIad | gotta figure out how |
| 17:31.10 | VIad | just had an idea if I can figure this out |
| 17:31.19 | VIad | I could do a port and ip range scan to find sourcetv servers |
| 17:31.29 | VIad | fetch information and prepare steam:// links to join as spectator :P |
| 17:31.38 | VIad | without going through the built in interface |
| 17:36.10 | g0urra | I love how the battle.net "restart" doesn't actually restart the client |
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| 17:40.52 | Maldivia | since when? |
| 17:43.21 | g0urra | since always? at least for me |
| 17:45.06 | Semlar | it restarts the launcher |
| 17:45.53 | g0urra | not for me. |
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| 17:46.08 | Dagmar | You declined the UAC prompt you naughty boy |
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| 17:46.21 | g0urra | nope |
| 17:46.28 | MiRai | I'm with g0urra |
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| 17:46.33 | MiRai | it's never restarted for me either |
| 17:46.39 | Dagmar | It's always done it for me |
| 17:47.02 | Semlar | so when you hit the restart button what happens |
| 17:47.27 | MiRai | UAC is enabled, which appears upon first launching the launcher, but it never asks again after the supposed restart |
| 17:47.36 | Semlar | the window just stays there for you? |
| 17:47.41 | Semlar | nothing happens? |
| 17:47.48 | g0urra | Semlar: the launcher exits and nothing happens |
| 17:47.48 | MiRai | it shuts itself down and never reappears |
| 17:47.52 | g0urra | no UAC, no nothing |
| 17:48.15 | MiRai | it's not a huge deal for me, but I figured I'd back up g0urra :) |
| 17:48.27 | Semlar | the launcher should still be in the taskbar |
| 17:49.00 | Semlar | system tray |
| 17:49.06 | g0urra | it's not -_- |
| 17:49.14 | Semlar | then you have something preventing it from opening |
| 17:49.29 | Semlar | or it's a setting in the launcher |
| 17:49.31 | Semlar | i haven't looked |
| 17:50.00 | Semlar | i can tell you i don't have UAC enabled |
| 17:52.08 | Stanzilla | you guys are probably confusing the agent and bnet client prompts |
| 17:53.15 | g0urra | I open the battle.net client, it says there's an update and I click the Restart button. nothing happens. |
| 17:53.23 | Semlar | i have never had to manually open the launcher since i installed it and have it set to run on startup |
| 17:53.51 | bluspacecow | battle.net icon top left settings what version you showing there |
| 17:54.11 | g0urra | 1.1.5.4826 |
| 17:54.19 | bluspacecow | yeah thats what I have |
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| 20:17.39 | relaxok | is there a list of all the SetFormattedText tokens somehwere? |
| 20:17.41 | relaxok | %d, %s etc |
| 20:17.49 | relaxok | similar to printf i guess |
| 20:18.16 | relaxok | fontString:SetFormattedText("|cff%.2x%.2x%.2x%s|r\n", classColor.r*255, classColor.g*255, classColor.b*255, LOCALIZED_CLASS_NAMES_MALE[value]); |
| 20:18.17 | relaxok | ? |
| 20:41.08 | Semlar | relaxok: look up the lua format function |
| 21:02.22 | relaxok | thanks |
| 21:12.52 | Neffi | relaxok: iirc it uses the same formatting as printf. check the manual. but note that WoW re-implemented some behavior from 4.x w.r.t format positioning |
| 21:13.12 | Neffi | I can't recall the syntax, but they use that added feature for localization |
| 21:28.29 | Neffi | this is just excellent https://imgur.com/gallery/vwwP3 |
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| 21:36.11 | Sintacks | 's Neffi |
| 21:36.25 | Neffi | https://i.imgur.com/hBDA9ob.gif |
| 21:36.31 | Neffi | Cairenn: ^ |
| 21:36.47 | Cairenn | lol |
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| 21:49.01 | Simca | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/13421662064#1 |
| 21:49.43 | Simca | blizz post talking about key values, timers, atlas system, some animation fixes/changes, and a couple of new cvars |
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| 21:52.09 | Neffi | "SendAddonMessage() where Type is "CHANNEL", and target is the channel name." <- praise Jesus |
| 21:52.30 | Simca | wasn't that in 5.4.8 |
| 21:52.44 | Simca | ah no that was the BNET version |
| 21:54.58 | Mr_Rabies | >Scale animataion has fromScale and toScale. |
| 21:55.05 | Mr_Rabies | >animataion |
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| 21:56.40 | relaxok | Neffi: good to know, thanks. i'll probably have to re-implement format() |
| 21:59.05 | Neffi | relaxok: I'm not sure if they just imported the Lua 4.0 string.format code. It's a possibility. The source for that is available at lua.org |
| 21:59.49 | Neffi | This is the part they reimplemented in WoW: |
| 21:59.51 | Neffi | "Conversions can be applied to the n-th argument in the argument list, rather than the next unused argument. In this case, the conversion character % is replaced by the sequence %d$, where d is a decimal digit in the range [1,9], giving the position of the argument in the argument list. For instance, the call format("%2$d -> %1$03d", 1, 34) will result in "34 -> 001". The same argument can be used in more than one conversion." |
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| 22:06.45 | relaxok | the next thing im dreading is figuring out outline fonts |
| 22:07.25 | Neffi | There's probably plenty of solutions floating around the net |
| 22:07.33 | relaxok | i dunno if NORMAL/THICK outlines are just some code for getting larger size fonts and coloring them black or if it's using freetype outline stuff |
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| 22:07.42 | Neffi | They might not match WoW's look exactly, but that's probably a good thing |
| 22:07.52 | relaxok | http://bh.polpo.org/ui_ip_login_2.png |
| 22:07.56 | relaxok | e.g. these fonts are supposed to be outline |
| 22:08.00 | relaxok | doesnt look right without them |
| 22:08.15 | Neffi | I think if it was using freetype font rendering wouldn't be as dreadful as it is |
| 22:08.43 | relaxok | i'm using it, but i'm no expert in it |
| 22:09.08 | Neffi | I mean WoW's font rendering. It's god-awful. Don't try too hard to match it |
| 22:10.37 | relaxok | i'm super anal about getting things pixel accurate, but you're right, it shouldn't be a focus |
| 22:12.17 | relaxok | there's definitely some weird stuff with spacing in the text rendering |
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| 22:15.18 | Stanzilla | relaxok: what are you doing there? |
| 22:15.25 | Stanzilla | sandbox? |
| 22:15.39 | Gnarfoz | the opposite |
| 22:16.05 | relaxok | i'm making a game client and based the UI library on the wow xml/lua so i can try to implement all those features |
| 22:16.19 | Gnarfoz | (well, the opposite part of what you're thinking of when you usually say sandbox :P) |
| 22:16.26 | relaxok | i should say, the library supports the wow xml/lua |
| 22:16.29 | Stanzilla | urm |
| 22:16.33 | Stanzilla | why? learning? |
| 22:16.37 | relaxok | yeah |
| 22:16.54 | relaxok | of course, i wish i had been an addon author for years or something and i would've known all the stuff i've had to learn the past few months |
| 22:18.52 | Neffi | You can make a trial account and make some addons to figure it all out |
| 22:19.05 | relaxok | why a trial? |
| 22:19.24 | Stanzilla | can you even connect to wow servers with a selfmade client? |
| 22:19.28 | Simca | no |
| 22:19.41 | relaxok | Stanzilla: no, i made a server too |
| 22:19.54 | Neffi | relaxok: Because it's free and unlimited time. Unless you play anyway |
| 22:19.57 | Gnarfoz | of course you could :P if you made one that's compatible :p |
| 22:20.26 | Gnarfoz | (about as silly an answer as "no" :P) |
| 22:20.27 | relaxok | Neffi: i dont play but i have a real subscription.. since launch =) |
| 22:20.38 | Simca | meh as long as his project is completely incompatible with real wow servers though, it remains something that blizzard won't care about stopping |
| 22:20.59 | Gnarfoz | as long as he's not publishing it, they can't do anything anyway |
| 22:21.05 | relaxok | yeah, i have no interest in that whole scene |
| 22:21.06 | Simca | very true |
| 22:21.44 | relaxok | people have asked me to make it work with the emulators, no thanks |
| 22:22.43 | Gnarfoz | you wouldn't be able to run fast enough to escape all the wannabes and script kiddies |
| 22:23.10 | Gnarfoz | and they'd suck the last bit of joy you might gain from doing this from you |
| 22:23.11 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 22:23.23 | relaxok | yes, it's already happened.... |
| 22:23.28 | relaxok | since i released it on github |
| 22:23.38 | relaxok | a million emails about how it 'doesnt work' without reading page 1 of the wiki |
| 22:23.39 | relaxok | =) |
| 22:24.06 | Gnarfoz | D: |
| 22:28.21 | Gnarfoz | watching Countdown just because of Rachel is totally legit |
| 22:28.23 | Gnarfoz | right? |
| 22:29.39 | Gnarfoz | (it's actually 8 Out of 10 Cats does Countdown, not quite the same thing :P) |
| 22:31.04 | Stanzilla | wtf are you talking about |
| 22:31.05 | relaxok | oh crap, i forgot about the escape sequences. |
| 22:31.17 | relaxok | british television show i believe |
| 22:31.23 | Gnarfoz | ^ |
| 22:31.28 | relaxok | http://www.wowwiki.com/UI_Escape_Sequences |
| 22:31.39 | relaxok | fuuck |
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| 22:34.19 | Fisker | I prefer street countdown |
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| 22:38.34 | kd3 | ooh, that's a nice change: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/13421662064#1 |
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| 22:42.41 | relaxok | http://bh.polpo.org/ui_ip_login_3.png |
| 22:42.43 | relaxok | closer! |
| 22:42.51 | relaxok | backdrop of edit boxes is off by a pixel |
| 22:43.31 | relaxok | (well also besides the obvious that the model meshes are drawing in the wrong order) |
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| 23:07.39 | Bogus_ | hello? |
| 23:08.04 | TC-Work | Hi |
| 23:08.29 | Bogus_ | I'm looking for somebody to fix an existing addon for a previous version of the client |
| 23:09.03 | Bogus_ | am I in the wrong place? |
| 23:10.14 | TC-Work | Yes since that would be against the rules |
| 23:10.30 | Bogus_ | nothing is true, everything is permitted |
| 23:10.35 | Kraps | ^ |
| 23:10.37 | Kraps | see |
| 23:10.48 | Kraps | you're messing with an assassin TC-Work |
| 23:10.56 | Bogus_ | totally |
| 23:11.45 | TC-Work | Uh huh. |
| 23:14.11 | Bogus_ | I see. Well I guess I should take my money elsewhere |
| 23:15.07 | TC-Work | If it is tied to the request, then yes. |
| 23:15.33 | Bogus_ | arent you supposed to be doing something? |
| 23:15.45 | Bogus_ | isnt internet chatting while at work against the rules? |
| 23:16.34 | Bogus_ | you remeber the thing about rules next time you drive past the speed limit |
| 23:16.38 | Bogus_ | bye |
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| 23:35.19 | Neffi | I guess he told you, TC-Work |
| 23:35.34 | Gnarfoz | take that |
| 23:36.11 | TC-Work | Yea. I am chastised. |
| 23:42.53 | Jamash | so I'm pitying myself over how bad I am at arenas, and my consolation pack has a Jaraxxus |
| 23:43.03 | Jamash | maybe things aren't so bad after all |
| 23:44.21 | Neffi | consolation pack? |
| 23:45.13 | Jamash | you always get one even if you don't win |
| 23:45.29 | Jamash | I won 1 game out of 4 :/ |
| 23:45.29 | Neffi | Oh, hearthstone? |
| 23:45.33 | Jamash | yar |
| 23:45.49 | kd3 | eesh at the density of icons: http://wowpedia.org/Smvrare |
| 23:54.05 | Semlar | one of my addons freaks out when vignettes appear so that should be fun |
| 23:54.22 | kd3 | only the skulls and the crosses show up on the minimap |
| 23:54.33 | Semlar | i wonder if they fixed the fact that vignettes stop supplying information after the server has been up for a while |
| 23:54.46 | Semlar | they're clearly bugged |
| 23:55.55 | Semlar | when the servers come back after a restart the vignette functions provide the rare's name, but after they respawn a certain number of times they're just blank |
| 23:56.27 | Semlar | probably has something to do with how the id increments |
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