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| 01:28.13 | Torhal | You got better,TC-Work? |
| 01:28.40 | TC-Work | Torhal: Better? Are you saying 12 year old girls are not 'natural'. |
| 01:43.33 | Torhal | TC-Work: Well, perhaps until they turn 13. Then they suddenly know everything and will never die. |
| 01:58.26 | TC-Work | Torhal: I think that's boys more than girls |
| 01:59.43 | Torhal | Probably. I'm biased, though, since I have a 14-year-old son. |
| 02:00.55 | TC-Work | My condolences. |
| 02:03.02 | Torhal | :/ |
| 02:28.00 | relaxok | hmm |
| 02:28.13 | relaxok | so there is an OnValueChanged script that does SetValue again |
| 02:28.17 | relaxok | valueception |
| 02:28.25 | relaxok | i dunno what to do with that |
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| 02:38.04 | relaxok | $parentSpellAlertOpacitySlider |
| 02:38.32 | relaxok | <OnValueChanged> .. self:SetValue(value) |
| 03:16.09 | Semlar | relaxok: OnValueChanged doesn't fire if the value doesn't change |
| 03:18.03 | Semlar | in other words, it calls SetValue and fires OnValueChanged once and then stops because it's the same value it already is |
| 03:20.11 | Semlar | in that script it's to make sure the value is always a multiple of 5 or something |
| 03:21.22 | Semlar | maybe the nearest hundredth, either way it's a rounding function |
| 03:32.50 | Shirik | damn wtf |
| 03:32.56 | Shirik | why does everyone want these dark portal hearthstone cards |
| 03:34.03 | Shirik | gives you an extra hearthstone, but is that really all that important? |
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| 05:02.50 | Mr_Rabies | i just watched attack on titan, that was pretty good |
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| 05:41.32 | t-mart | where can i find the tags i should use for writing a .toc file for an addon i'm putting on curse.com? |
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| 06:48.05 | Jamash1 | t-mart: http://wowpedia.org/TOC_format |
| 06:48.43 | Jamash1 | Mr_Rabies: it's a great show, but I'm annoyed they decided to adapt part of the manga and then just stop |
| 06:50.11 | t-mart | Jamash1: unless I'm missing something there, that doesn't go over the X- type tags that curse uses. e.g X-Curse-Project-ID, X-Curse-Repository-ID |
| 06:51.00 | t-mart | that more what im hoping to find documentation on |
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| 07:32.14 | plaw | for all the aussies in the house www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/04/aec-threatens-to-have-foi-applicant-declared-vexatious-after-two-requests |
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| 09:19.42 | karl_w_w | http://www.canada.com/story.html?id=9278c08f-a33d-4691-ac55-93dad6f6774a <- I like how they chopped off the end of one of jimmy carr's jokes cos it was too offensive for them |
| 09:20.31 | karl_w_w | “Viagra has instructions, keep away from children - what kind of man do you think I am?” should actually end with "what kind of man do they think I am... that can't maintain an erection with a child" |
| 09:24.52 | jleclanche | not sure what you expected from "canada.com" |
| 09:25.01 | Mr_Rabies | Jamash: better than making up an ending |
| 09:28.30 | karl_w_w | I would have thought if they were that worried they would have skipped the joke entirely |
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| 09:38.47 | karl_w_w | plaw: FOI got flushed down the toilet the day after the last election |
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| 10:05.43 | karl_w_w | t-mart, "It is possible for addons to query values of any tags with a "X-" prefix." |
| 10:06.18 | karl_w_w | but really those curse ones are used outside the game |
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| 12:11.35 | plaw | PEAK KICKSTARTER https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/324283889/potato-salad |
| 12:12.03 | plaw | karl_w_w: FOI got flushed down the loo years ago, righttoknow.org.au has made it a bit more interesting/entertaining |
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| 12:15.20 | karl_w_w | I feel like pledging $5 just to make sure he includes garlic oil |
| 12:25.56 | karl_w_w | if you fake an illness just to get free stuff is it still munchausen? |
| 12:40.00 | foxlit | lua> assert(loadstring(([[return [=[.%s.]=] ]]):format(string.char(13)))():byte(2) == 13) |
| 12:40.05 | foxlit | foxlit: stdin:1: assertion failed! |
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| 13:45.44 | Amarande | Huh. Did the Bnet client stop recognising junctions as equal to the real deal, or is that something that only properly works on Bubblegum Windows (aka 8)? |
| 13:46.43 | Amarande | Moved WoW over to the spinning HDD, junctioned it over (as I had done in the past on 8, but I'm on 7 now) since my subscription expires tonight so the game is moved to archives for the time being, launched Bnet client, and at first it looked at me like it needed to Install it, not Play |
| 13:47.31 | Amarande | Then it recognised it again. But I could swear it used to be if you moved a game to another drive and junctioned it back to the original Program Files location, the Bnet client picked it up automagically (and really shouldn't know the difference between a junction and a native folder) |
| 13:49.52 | nevcairiel | Just tell it the New folder in the options, anything else is just overly complex. :p |
| 13:58.16 | Fisker | Never junction |
| 14:01.34 | karl_w_w | junction Fisker |
| 14:09.09 | Simca_ | junctions work fine with the BNet client and Win7. Make sure you're using a directory junction and not a hard link |
| 14:11.03 | Maldivia | junctions are working fine for me as well -- you sure you actually created it where it was, and not the pseudo-"program files"`? |
| 14:11.36 | fewyn | happy fireworks day |
| 14:15.46 | karl_w_w | that's not for a few months yet |
| 14:16.10 | Semlar | no it's fireworks day |
| 14:18.23 | karl_w_w | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fireworks_Day no, it's not |
| 14:18.39 | Fisker | I thought junction were the hardlink Simca_ |
| 14:18.43 | Semlar | that clearly says bonfire night |
| 14:19.29 | karl_w_w | that's not all it clearly says |
| 14:22.19 | Simca_ | Fisker: hard links, junctions, and symbolic links are all different in windows terms |
| 14:22.49 | Fisker | True |
| 14:27.31 | nevcairiel | A junction is a directory symlink really |
| 14:27.53 | nevcairiel | Hard links only work on the same volume so use is limited |
| 14:28.48 | Fisker | As I recall functionality in xp was limited to that |
| 14:29.21 | Fisker | Thought they still had that in 7 but also added proper symlinks |
| 14:30.14 | nevcairiel | Yeah junctions are older |
| 14:31.09 | nevcairiel | There are slight differences in how they work, but for most purposes they are practically the same as dir symlinks |
| 14:31.36 | karl_w_w | junctions are handled by windows and they are invisible to user |
| 14:31.51 | karl_w_w | symlinks arent |
| 14:32.08 | nevcairiel | Symlinks are also handled by windows |
| 14:32.39 | karl_w_w | im not sure about that |
| 14:33.05 | nevcairiel | What else would handle it. Every application in existence? I think not. :p |
| 14:34.48 | nevcairiel | Symlinks have an advantage that they can even point to remote resources tho |
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| 14:45.10 | karl_w_w | i meant as in where they are resolved nevcairiel |
| 14:47.19 | karl_w_w | junctions are always handled on the machine where they exist, symlinks are handled by whatever is using them |
| 14:53.51 | nevcairiel | But still by windows |
| 14:54.16 | nevcairiel | Or well, the OS. Could be another one.:p |
| 14:54.36 | karl_w_w | yeah, that's why I made it confusing by saying windows |
| 14:55.01 | karl_w_w | I don't connect to my windows machine with any windows machines :P |
| 14:56.46 | nevcairiel | I do! |
| 14:57.09 | nevcairiel | But I don't use symlinks or junctions in any of that remote access |
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| 15:01.12 | karl_w_w | I use a combination of the 2 to make remote devices think my dvd drive is a disc image |
| 15:01.44 | Workfoz | isn't the reverse use-case the more common one |
| 15:01.51 | nevcairiel | Heh |
| 15:03.03 | karl_w_w | depends which format remote devices can handle :P |
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| 15:08.26 | karl_w_w | why am I mildly dizzy with no other symptoms? |
| 15:08.49 | karl_w_w | am I going to dead? |
| 15:08.49 | nevcairiel | Overheating? |
| 15:09.03 | karl_w_w | middle of winter :P |
| 15:09.23 | karl_w_w | also 11pm |
| 15:10.02 | karl_w_w | ooh maybe it's CO poisoning |
| 15:10.06 | karl_w_w | that's exciting |
| 15:10.27 | nevcairiel | Do you have a crappy heater blowing CO into your room? |
| 15:11.04 | karl_w_w | nah the only gas burner in this house is the oven |
| 15:11.10 | karl_w_w | which is 2 years old |
| 15:12.56 | Jamash | you crazy austrians |
| 15:13.04 | Jamash | thinking it's the middle of the night |
| 15:13.18 | Jamash | in winter |
| 15:14.24 | karl_w_w | I know right |
| 15:17.25 | karl_w_w | time to consult a qualified healthcare professional |
| 15:17.28 | karl_w_w | webmd.com |
| 15:18.45 | Amarande | karl_w_w: have you been drinking? |
| 15:18.51 | karl_w_w | I have Meniere's Disease |
| 15:18.58 | Amarande | also, perhaps simply living in Australia is finally catching up to you |
| 15:19.06 | Amarande | from what I've understood about Australia, it's not good for one's sanity |
| 15:19.15 | karl_w_w | better order the required medication online |
| 15:19.34 | karl_w_w | not even slightly drinking Amarande |
| 15:21.12 | karl_w_w | on the subject Amarande, australia has been somewhat disappointing, I've been here for 10 years and nothing has yet tried to kill me |
| 15:21.46 | karl_w_w | well apart from the dropbears of course, but I took the necessary precautions |
| 15:27.06 | Jamash | what are the necessary precautions? |
| 15:27.20 | Jamash | does it involve a hat with corks on it? |
| 15:29.54 | karl_w_w | smearing yourself with vegemite or urine does the trick |
| 15:31.24 | Jamash | ah, so that's why the sniper carries a jar around |
| 15:31.27 | Jamash | makes sense |
| 15:31.35 | Jamash | speaking of TF2, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrjbeE90vVY |
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| 16:15.56 | Amarande | "New feature unlocked: [Mail]" |
| 16:16.21 | Amarande | I wonder if there's ever been any newbies who look over a shaman's shoulder as they ding 40 and start wondering if mail is a feature you can't use unless you're a shaman at level 40 :) |
| 16:16.34 | Amarande | and then look with wonder at how low level characters send mail just fine before realising what "Mail" actually meant |
| 16:21.41 | Dagmar | Well, it would cut down on a lot of the need for spam filtering. ;) |
| 16:28.31 | zenzelezz | sometimes you get these moments where you're running a factory restore on a laptop, and it seems to be coming along nicely, until it hits step 53/53... and sits there for two hours. Computer hasn't hung, program still responds, progress dots (".", "..", "...") rotate fine... so I let it sit on a table hoping it will ever finish |
| 16:29.11 | Amarande | yeah, that whole 'factory restore' thing is irritating, isn't it? |
| 16:29.31 | Amarande | makes you think you'd gladly pay an extra $100-120 for a full copy of Windows instead :) |
| 16:29.43 | zenzelezz | I originally replaced the HDD and installed a clean Windows, but it refused to activate the key, and Microsoft doesn't sell 7 keys anymore |
| 16:29.58 | Amarande | especially now that laptop makers are reasonable about hardware generally and you can actually get away with installing a stock copy of windows |
| 16:30.03 | Amarande | huh. even the phone activation didn't work? |
| 16:30.24 | zenzelezz | didn't bother trying. It's an OEM version, I probably just exceeded the maximum installs (10?) |
| 16:31.15 | Amarande | heh. this is another reason I only buy full retail Windows (except for that bastard child 8 upgrade key, which is a major reason I went back to 7 on this install) |
| 16:31.44 | Amarande | I expect I'll still be able to install and activate this thing till 2020 when doomsday comes and I suppose I'll have to get something new like 9 or 10 |
| 16:31.46 | zenzelezz | the OEM version is a full version, just with a higher install limit or somethign :-p |
| 16:31.53 | zenzelezz | and costs no more, sometimes even less |
| 16:40.14 | A-KO | If you're not on 8.1 you're doing it wrong :D |
| 16:40.30 | zenzelezz | lol, best joke I've heard today |
| 16:40.51 | A-KO | negative |
| 16:40.52 | A-KO | it's reality |
| 16:41.01 | A-KO | 8.1 is just under the hood a huge improvement over 7 |
| 16:41.14 | zenzelezz | under the hood doesn't matter when over the hood makes you want to cut yourself |
| 16:41.30 | A-KO | I don't have problems htere |
| 16:41.36 | A-KO | all over a stupid menu that was made useless in XP :P |
| 16:41.42 | zenzelezz | good for you then |
| 16:42.11 | A-KO | It's not like the original start menu is coming back... |
| 16:42.57 | Amarande | 8.1 also would have taken me an entire morning or evening to install, especially compared to 7 |
| 16:43.11 | zenzelezz | you think the start menu is the only thing people miss in 8? |
| 16:44.04 | Amarande | First I'd have to install a sacrificial Windows to satisfy the Upgrade Key (dammit, whatever happened to when Windows let you just insert the previous version install media as the verification check instead of needing you to actually install it? You don't even need to ACTIVATE it, so it's not like it prevents piracy anyway :p) |
| 16:44.17 | Neffi | I gotta say, it's a big part of it for me. The w7 start menu is great |
| 16:44.41 | Amarande | Then I'd have to install 8, install all the updates (because the store update to 8.1 won't go through unless you install at least everything that was out before 8.1. otherwise it just says "Something Happened") |
| 16:44.46 | zenzelezz | I went back and bought another W7 copy when W8 freaked out because I upgraded my computer. God forbid, it's not like anyone ever upgrades. |
| 16:44.48 | Amarande | Then install 8.1 and all the updates for THAT. |
| 16:45.11 | Neffi | A left-panel to pin all my programs. A games drop-down on the right. An integrated searchbar+launcher. Links to the filesystem and administrative panel. And it barely takes up space |
| 16:45.16 | A-KO | Neffi: The start menu was made useless in XP when they created quicklaunch. And further useless in 7 when they updated quicklaunch to be part of the taskbar. |
| 16:45.16 | Amarande | zenzelezz: yeah, that's another reason I buy retail Windows |
| 16:45.27 | zenzelezz | Amarande: my W8 was retail |
| 16:45.35 | Amarande | with retail, upgrades are no issue at all (especially if it's been more than four months since you installed Windows) |
| 16:45.40 | Neffi | A-KO: I disagree. And I find it insulting that you assume I have the same usecase as you |
| 16:45.41 | zenzelezz | tell that to MS then |
| 16:45.54 | Amarande | hrm. did you get 8.0 or 8.1? |
| 16:46.03 | zenzelezz | 8.0 first, then free 8.1 |
| 16:46.15 | Neffi | I want quick access to N programs without pinning them all to my taskbar. Pinning to start menu is the most elegant solution. |
| 16:46.21 | zenzelezz | then I upgraded my computer and had to go through the whole fucking phone (re)activation |
| 16:46.37 | A-KO | Neffi: Using the start menu takes entirely too many clicks versus the taskbar to access applications. |
| 16:46.49 | foxlit | A-KO: using the start menu takes zero clicks :P |
| 16:46.50 | A-KO | I can type out the name of an app faster than using the start menu, even, which is even worse. |
| 16:46.54 | Amarande | but yeah, I'm pretty sure the four-month paradigm still applies for 8.x |
| 16:46.55 | foxlit | windows + type + enter |
| 16:47.05 | A-KO | foxlit: yeah, but that works even faster in 8 :P |
| 16:47.05 | smcn | foxlit: ^5 was just gonna say that |
| 16:47.13 | Amarande | at least it should for non-OEM keys |
| 16:47.35 | zenzelezz | A-KO: the W7 start menu's search box worked smoother for me than W8's |
| 16:47.35 | Amarande | but 8.0 was weird with keys, I think at one point they were trying to do away with the non-OEM keys altogether, if I remember how it was when 8 came out |
| 16:47.46 | Amarande | there was going to be "upgrade" and "OEM" style keys and that was it |
| 16:47.54 | Neffi | Not really. It's a single keyboard press -> type to launch. Or a quick mouse flick to the corner -> click to open. It overlays the UI nicely, so there is no break of concentration. And in newer games that support windowed+fullscreen, it's by far the fastest means to quickly open a program, check something, then go back (just hit the Win key, and it overlays the game) |
| 16:47.55 | Amarande | but they ditched that with 8.1, as well as ditching upgrade keys entirely, thank the gods |
| 16:48.03 | A-KO | foxlit: In 8, the 'metro' equivalent to that has better caching and indexing (separate to the stuff used in the start menu and has existed in Windows prior to 8) which makes searching for programs that aren't traditionally indexed or in "path" much faster. In fact, it will cache what you typically open and save that cache for the future. |
| 16:48.12 | Amarande | unless you're stuck with an existing upgrade key ... I may just shell out for 8.1 if I feel like going back to 8 |
| 16:48.13 | A-KO | So winkey + 'cmd' is faster in 8 than 7 |
| 16:48.22 | A-KO | Amarande: Install 8, upgrade to 8.1 |
| 16:48.25 | Amarande | but it seems even 8.1 is not worth buying anymore because they're rushing so rapidly to get 9 out |
| 16:48.35 | foxlit | I’m not sure I buy any sort of speed argument involving “cmd" |
| 16:48.47 | A-KO | foxlit: that's just one example which I use a lot |
| 16:48.57 | foxlit | “but think of the microseconds the system will save!” |
| 16:49.04 | A-KO | When you type over 120wpm, yes :P |
| 16:49.05 | Amarande | I hope this rapid release rush isn't going to be a permanent state with Windows, it's starting to feel like they're trying to make it such a rapid thing it's practically a subscription instead of a purchase :| |
| 16:49.18 | Neffi | The taskbar+startmeny paradigm is fucking awesome. It should be at the backbone of the desktop paradigm. I'd rather have a good UI, than tablet features I dont use |
| 16:49.37 | foxlit | (though what am I doing; I like Launchpad.) |
| 16:49.41 | Amarande | A-KO: and doesn't metro search also automatically search Bing at the same time now too? I seem to vaguely recall this :( |
| 16:49.44 | zenzelezz | of a more "annoyance" aspect, I hate the freaking light show that the start screen (or whatever it's called) becomes, because obviously I want the tiles to use the predominant color from the icon to bleed into the rest of the tile |
| 16:49.58 | Amarande | that's as irritating as Ubuntu search searching Amazon at the same time, or something like that anyway |
| 16:50.12 | A-KO | Amarande: It can, but if it finds what it's looking for on the system it will just show that. But yes, for other stuff it will search Bing. Still faster than the traditional start menu, which is odd...but yeah |
| 16:50.20 | A-KO | THey'll likely improve that in 9 |
| 16:50.20 | Amarande | and speaking of Bing ... Facebook ... WHY BING? :( |
| 16:50.23 | A-KO | and move the Metro code over |
| 16:50.43 | zenzelezz | "improve in 9" doesn't make 8 any less painful :) |
| 16:50.54 | A-KO | It's just not painful to me |
| 16:50.57 | A-KO | I've got it on all of my machines |
| 16:51.00 | Amarande | I hit the Translate link on a foreign friend's post on FB once and it said "Translated by Bing" and I was :( |
| 16:51.02 | zenzelezz | but I do cling to a hope for 9 to be the 7 to 8 that 7 was to Vista |
| 16:51.02 | foxlit | still has 7; sees no reason to update. |
| 16:51.04 | A-KO | and I'm validating configuration security for it for work |
| 16:51.18 | Amarande | I'm guessing FB considers Google a bitter rival now and doesn't want to use Google Translate though? :| |
| 16:51.26 | zenzelezz | +/- () for clarity |
| 16:51.31 | A-KO | The only major issues with 8/8.1 has been their release handling and licensing. It's been bad. |
| 16:51.37 | A-KO | Just pathetic, really. |
| 16:51.40 | A-KO | and the update cycles |
| 16:51.53 | Amarande | A-KO: Yeah. 7 goes down much more smoothly. |
| 16:52.27 | A-KO | In order to support NVMe drives, you have to use 8.1. But for those of us who bought 8 System builder, you can't "slipstream" 8.1 to the disk. Which means if I were to build an NVMe-based PC on hardware available now, I can't actually install 8 directly to an NVMe drive and 'upgrade' to 8.1. |
| 16:52.46 | zenzelezz | among the most serious issues with 8 is Minesweeeper |
| 16:52.55 | A-KO | They should have let you slipstream 8.1 into the 8 install disc, install with the 8 key |
| 16:53.17 | A-KO | I'm not going to go out and just buy an 8.1 CD for this when they tell me 8.1 is 'free' for 8 users... |
| 16:53.19 | Amarande | Yeah, that was one of their bigger howlers, making 8.1 a point release instead of a service pack |
| 16:53.30 | Amarande | Oh, and now there's claims that "9 will be 'free for 8 and possibly 7 users'" |
| 16:53.35 | A-KO | And then the whole Update 1 issue....there's no integrated disc for that yet, either; and it also doesn't support slipstream/DISM |
| 16:53.38 | Amarande | Welcome to the upgrade conga line? |
| 16:53.53 | A-KO | SUPPOSEDLY, according to the MS WSUS team, they're working on making Update 2 workable with DISM |
| 16:54.08 | zenzelezz | WSUS? |
| 16:54.17 | A-KO | Microsoft's team in charge of patching the OS |
| 16:54.23 | A-KO | The Windows Update folks |
| 16:54.43 | Amarande | inconvenient upgrades ... do they WANT people to switch to Linux or Mac? heh |
| 16:55.03 | A-KO | Amarande: indeed. That's the worst part. and there's no fucking excuse for it. It's not like they haven't had 15 years of experience doing upgrades and service packs and shit. |
| 16:55.17 | Amarande | Then again, given the patent situation, it might actually benefit Microsoft if they got Windows horribly killed LOL |
| 16:55.19 | A-KO | So I blame management and licensing |
| 16:55.27 | A-KO | Because these aren't technical problems |
| 16:55.32 | A-KO | but management and licensing problems |
| 16:55.42 | Amarande | When you count the licencing fees, they get as much from every Android device legitimately made as they do from a copy of Windows, from what I've read |
| 16:55.52 | Amarande | And they don't actually have to spend time and money developing an OS to collect it, either |
| 16:55.53 | A-KO | The only reason you couldn't build an 8.1 disc using 8 keys is because MS had to have something for the volume license folks and make it a "new" OS. |
| 16:55.55 | Amarande | Yay rent-seeking LOL |
| 16:56.22 | A-KO | the inability to install 8.1 with 8 keys was entirely a license move. Nothing more, nothing less. |
| 16:56.28 | Amarande | A-KO: I heard they made it a point instead of a service pack because a point release doesn't affect the Product Lifecycle the same way |
| 16:56.28 | A-KO | Which makes no sense since 8.1 is a free god damn upgrade to 8 |
| 16:56.45 | Amarande | as in I seem to remember reading every service pack "resets" the product lifecycle on the OS it's for |
| 16:56.59 | Amarande | and they seem to be pretty gung ho at getting the support down to the intended 5 + 5 year cycles |
| 16:57.24 | A-KO | Amarande: Yeah, that makes sense; but that's a process and management decision, not a technical one. |
| 16:57.33 | zenzelezz | when I called MS to ask if I still could buy 7 keys (since the "lulz get key here" button on the "activation failed" screen didn't work), he didn't try to convince me to go to 8; didn't even mention it... just mentioned a few stores he though still sold 7 |
| 16:58.07 | Neffi | can't you buy keys digitally on the site? |
| 16:58.15 | zenzelezz | apparently not |
| 16:58.23 | A-KO | 8.1 has some impressive under the hood improvements, from the kernel on up. If you care about performance, speed, system utilization, and maximizing your hardware (if you've got at least an i7 and above with some SSDs), 8/8.1 is the best choice. Just how it is. |
| 16:58.48 | zenzelezz | A-KO: under the hood I have absolutely no delusions that 8 is not an improvement on 7 |
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| 16:59.33 | A-KO | IE11 is pretty solid, too. Trying so hard to move to that at work. |
| 16:59.36 | zenzelezz | even Vista was like that |
| 17:00.08 | A-KO | A few people at work are on 11 (including me), but the majority are on IE8. REALLY trying to get our internal apps fixed for IE11 and get IE11 working on the stuff we can't fix. |
| 17:00.26 | A-KO | compatibility modes and developer mode work, but I'm working on automating that stuff so people can use it effortlessly. |
| 17:00.47 | zenzelezz | why are they on 8; conscious decision? |
| 17:01.15 | A-KO | It is a conscious decision. TECHNICALLY we should be on IE9 given our contract. But I want to skip that altogether and push 11. |
| 17:01.56 | A-KO | It's a hodge podge mix of a large corporation, our local web applications, and the US government. |
| 17:02.03 | A-KO | IE8 satisfies all 3, even if it's slow as dog shit and crappy |
| 17:02.41 | A-KO | I'm working on getting enterprise mode working for the corporate stuff, upgrade local apps to IE11 stuff, and then work on the gov stuff hopefully similarly to the corporate stuff (enterprise mode) |
| 17:03.00 | A-KO | I have had no issues with IE11 on any of it, so it's possible--I just need to make it automated. |
| 17:03.01 | NickoTavers | Got a question that i cant seem to word corectally for google to answer. |
| 17:03.27 | Neffi | NickoTavers: what would that be? |
| 17:04.43 | Amarande | The only thing about IE11 is that it's IE. |
| 17:04.55 | Amarande | Most people use Firefox or Chrome these days, no? |
| 17:04.58 | NickoTavers | I have a refeance to a label, and it setting the text of that lable, however that is the only referace to that label, in the entire addon.. There no location data, size data or anything... |
| 17:04.59 | A-KO | Amarande: It's pretty fast and works great here. |
| 17:05.12 | A-KO | I use IE11 pretty exclusively :P |
| 17:05.24 | A-KO | We have chrome installed at work, too. |
| 17:05.24 | Amarande | and yeah, it's probably still not the best for security to run IE because it's generally a preferred target |
| 17:05.31 | A-KO | ehhhhhh |
| 17:05.37 | A-KO | nobody targets browsers anymore |
| 17:05.39 | A-KO | they target Java |
| 17:05.55 | Neffi | NickoTavers: what do you mean by label? And what exactly is your question? |
| 17:06.18 | Semlar | neffiiiiii |
| 17:06.32 | Neffi | Semlar: ! |
| 17:06.51 | NickoTavers | how can this function frmGuildWardenMainLabelATWNum:SetText() be called when frmGuildWardenMainLabelATWNum dosnt exsist |
| 17:07.02 | Semlar | it can't |
| 17:07.23 | Semlar | neffi my water is boiling |
| 17:07.23 | Neffi | Either it does exist, or the function isn't getting called, or it is getting called and you should see an error |
| 17:07.31 | NickoTavers | Prblem is it works perfectally fine |
| 17:07.33 | Neffi | Semlar: o.O |
| 17:07.39 | Semlar | i gotta go coffee |
| 17:07.50 | Neffi | :D |
| 17:08.01 | zenzelezz | NickoTavers: how do you determine that it doesn't exist? |
| 17:08.11 | NickoTavers | I have searched all files in the addon for frmGuildWardenMainLabelATWNum and the only result is the set text line |
| 17:08.25 | zenzelezz | the name could be generated dynamically |
| 17:08.42 | zenzelezz | or you're just searching the wrong place :-p |
| 17:09.10 | NickoTavers | I sreache all .lua and .xml files, (thats all files included in the addon) |
| 17:10.01 | zenzelezz | created outside that addon then maybe? |
| 17:10.06 | Shirik | appropriate for july 4: http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2014-07/3/11/enhanced/webdr08/enhanced-17675-1404402120-8.png |
| 17:10.12 | Semlar | you're going to have to search for partial matches |
| 17:10.17 | zenzelezz | either way; it exists somehow |
| 17:10.31 | Amarande | A-KO: that might not persist for long, heh |
| 17:10.36 | Neffi | Shirik: haha |
| 17:10.38 | Amarande | Java seems to be becoming pretty much passe on the web |
| 17:10.40 | foxlit | Talk to your kids about $parent before someone who knows XML does it for you. |
| 17:10.51 | Amarande | I can really only think of like, two really major things off the top of my head that require it? |
| 17:10.56 | Fisker | Hi foxlit I don't have kiss |
| 17:11.03 | Fisker | Kids :| |
| 17:11.08 | NickoTavers | I tried removing the last parts of it but it still only showed :setText( lines |
| 17:11.09 | Neffi | Fisker doesn't have kiss |
| 17:11.11 | Amarande | That bank login system they use in some Scandinavian countries (which I hear are phasing out Java from it anyway) |
| 17:11.17 | foxlit | Fisker: np, kiss incoming. |
| 17:11.26 | Amarande | and Pogo/Yahoo online games (but hey, we're talking EA and Yahoo services here, what did you expect ROFL) |
| 17:11.42 | Fisker | See Neffi |
| 17:11.48 | Fisker | Works like a charm |
| 17:11.57 | Fisker | Smooooth |
| 17:12.02 | Neffi | haha |
| 17:12.04 | Amarande | Chrome actually dropped NPAPI plugin support altogether recently, which includes all versions of Java except maybe the latest 8 |
| 17:12.23 | NickoTavers | zenzelezz: Cant see how the name of the addon is part of the object name |
| 17:12.40 | Neffi | Oh god that latest version works in Chrome? Gotta disable that in about:plugins D: |
| 17:13.26 | zenzelezz | NickoTavers: anyone can use that name if they want |
| 17:14.04 | Neffi | Amarande: Looks like that didnt hit stable yet, as I had NPAPI Java recognized and enabled by Chrome |
| 17:17.42 | Amarande | Well, I'm presuming if there are any Javas that support Chrome's plugin system then they're going to be 8 |
| 17:18.12 | NickoTavers | Fisker: I have just found what you mean with the $parent... didnt even know you were talking to me till i found a $parent |
| 17:18.43 | Fisker | I am not the Fisker you're looking for |
| 17:19.01 | NickoTavers | lol |
| 17:19.08 | Fisker | I am however the Fisker foxlit was looking for |
| 17:19.27 | NickoTavers | foxlit then lol |
| 17:19.40 | Semlar | foxlit, fisker, it's all the same |
| 17:19.51 | Fisker | It will be soon |
| 17:19.56 | Semlar | ! |
| 17:20.01 | Fisker | :D |
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| 18:35.38 | Amarande | aw. c'mon. lava burst miss? LOL |
| 18:35.45 | Amarande | that's one thing I will be glad to never see again in 6.0 |
| 18:37.09 | Amarande | OTOH, I still think there's a better way to deal with the mainstat thing than the dual stat gear system |
| 18:38.15 | Amarande | as in, perhaps the most elegant way would be to simply not even have mainstats as such on gear at all, but simply call it "Power" or something that automatically adds to your spec's main stat, and have done with it :) |
| 18:44.17 | Amarande | but yes, hit chance is a feature I'd always gladly have taken a miss on (*hears assembled groan*) and I'll be glad to see it go. :) |
| 18:45.11 | Amarande | heh. to think about it, random hit chance has always been a feature nobody's really cared for from the player-character side LOL |
| 18:45.24 | Amarande | Remember Pool of Radiance and those huge combats against hordes of orcs or kobolds? :) |
| 18:51.27 | alestane | Vaguely. |
| 18:54.56 | Amarande | alestane: probably one of the most extreme examples of the fail that random hit chance can be, LOL |
| 18:55.07 | Amarande | 95% of such battles seemed to consist of waiting for everyone to "swing at (target) and miss" |
| 18:55.43 | Amarande | Not so bad on modern PCs, dear gods did it take forever in the early 90s on a Commodore though :) |
| 19:08.29 | Amarande | Then again, back then miss chance was the only way anyone ever lived to see level 2, so ... heh |
| 19:15.22 | Amarande | hrm, 6.0 things (that I haven't seen in the patch notes) |
| 19:15.35 | Amarande | since minimum skill requirements for mining and herbing are going away (instead the skill level affecting yield) |
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| 19:16.04 | Amarande | how is skilling up working? still based on how high level the gather is like now, or is it like fishing where every gather gives a chance of skill-up? |
| 19:19.46 | Maldivia | well, requirements for mining and picking fflowers is already gone in 5.x, and you get skillup on everything > level |
| 19:20.45 | Amarande | you sure? my tooltips when I mouse over gathering nodes still give skill level requirements |
| 19:21.17 | Amarande | been a while since I gathered though, I've only been playing on my tailoring/enchanting shaman most of the time since resubbing |
| 19:21.28 | Maldivia | oh yeah, only apply to MoP zones in 5.x |
| 19:21.39 | Amarande | although I think I remember before I left Illidan (where I had alch/herbs) having to eke out that 230th skill point to be able to pick sungrass |
| 19:21.52 | Maldivia | you get nuggets/petals if below level, where 10 combines to 1 real ore/herb |
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| 19:22.10 | Amarande | ah, I wondered what happened if your skill was too low then |
| 19:22.26 | Amarande | whether it would be something like that, or just some vendor trash item saying something like "you mangled the plant when picking it" |
| 19:24.21 | Maldivia | example for 6.x zones: http://beta.wowdb.com/items/109991-true-iron-nugget |
| 19:26.30 | Semlar | combines ten neffis |
| 19:27.02 | Amarande | nifty. no more breaking one's head over that one last point |
| 19:27.22 | Amarande | probably more significant for alchemists than for metalworkers and scribes though I'm guessing |
| 19:27.24 | Maldivia | also, no need to go back to low level zones |
| 19:27.41 | Amarande | because of how irregular herbs are in terms of level requirements |
| 19:27.45 | Gnarfoz | ah MediaCrush... so meta |
| 19:27.47 | Gnarfoz | https://mediacru.sh/DNgPBlFOceFx |
| 19:27.57 | Gnarfoz | jleclanche: :( |
| 19:28.02 | Amarande | and how you end up having to gather a bunch of useless herbs (though they do make money) to be able to get that next one in the zone you're in |
| 19:28.07 | Amarande | whereas metal seems to have a much smoother progression |
| 19:28.33 | Amarande | (and as for scribes, I say they probably won't care as much because inscription doesn't give a damn just *what* herbs it gets, as long as it's got them in sufficient bulk in the right ilvl bracket) |
| 19:28.53 | Amarande | while alchemists have much more specific needs (fuck you, Goldthorn) |
| 19:30.00 | Amarande | OTOH, it never seems to really matter that much past 60 |
| 19:30.19 | Amarande | probably because of the smaller number of different resources per level bracket after that |
| 19:33.37 | Neffi | Semlar: I have become the superneffi |
| 19:33.46 | Amarande | well, unless you need khorium |
| 19:33.51 | Semlar | what have i done |
| 19:34.00 | Amarande | but if you need lots of khorium, either you're an engineer or you did something really really terrible in a previous life |
| 19:34.01 | Neffi | laughs maniacally |
| 19:37.38 | Semlar | tries to calm neffi down |
| 19:39.02 | Neffi | Semlar: http://youtu.be/otCpCn0l4Wo |
| 19:39.30 | Semlar | no neffi |
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| 19:53.56 | zenzelezz | https://scontent-b-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t1.0-9/10513378_10154378963025078_6768189224429024883_n.png |
| 19:58.03 | Neffi | old zenzelezz |
| 19:58.36 | zenzelezz | could be, but it only just appeared on my Facebook stream when he posted i |
| 19:58.37 | zenzelezz | +t |
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| 21:50.48 | zenzelezz | okay. anyone know why (sometimes?) Hangout conversations shop in my Gmail? |
| 21:50.55 | zenzelezz | *show up |
| 21:51.09 | Maldivia | they always do |
| 21:51.32 | Maldivia | unless you say they shouldn't |
| 21:52.05 | zenzelezz | they didn't until a week ago or so for me |
| 21:52.15 | zenzelezz | I don't use the hangout app; just pidgin |
| 21:52.36 | Maldivia | do you mean the archive, or active chats? |
| 21:53.05 | zenzelezz | I guess they look like archive |
| 21:53.51 | Maldivia | if you click the More to show all labels etc, there should be a "Chats" containing all your logged chats |
| 21:55.28 | zenzelezz | I've hidden the chats label through the settings, but I'll check next time it happens if it's somehow tagged as that anyway |
| 21:56.27 | Maldivia | could always just try (in gmail) to search for in:chats |
| 21:58.28 | zenzelezz | hm; looks like stuff ends up there... but why would they suddenly show in my inbox as well? |
| 21:58.36 | zenzelezz | I'm sure I'm missing something obvious |
| 21:58.42 | Thunder_Child | were you doing a search? |
| 21:58.49 | zenzelezz | nope |
| 21:59.03 | Thunder_Child | Was it a message sent while you were offline? |
| 21:59.08 | Thunder_Child | then it does iirc |
| 21:59.20 | zenzelezz | nope, was online. Home computer is always connected |
| 21:59.25 | zenzelezz | and in this case I know I was present |
| 21:59.49 | zenzelezz | meh. I'll do some searching if it happens again |
| 22:54.19 | pompy | zenzelezz: https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/hangouts/7fhX0lx06nc from 2013 |
| 23:43.20 | foxlit | “We’re having a problem transferring data and we’re trying to fix it, ” << oh no you’re not. |
| 23:48.04 | Gnarfoz | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/11120031916?page=2#33 |
| 23:48.14 | foxlit | (battle.net agent is refusing to patch the beta install; the trend toward absolutely non-informative error messages is annoying) |
| 23:59.55 | foxlit | does that mean they broke enGB, and that procedure essentially tricks the agent into treating your previous data as corrupted enUS? |
