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| 01:12.53 | airtonix | znf: http://arunraghavan.net/2012/01/pulseaudio-vs-audioflinger-fight/ |
| 01:18.00 | karl_w_w | steam summer cards: I have 1 and 7, and need 5 and 8 |
| 01:18.08 | karl_w_w | any trade people wanting to? |
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| 01:26.12 | Clamsoda | Okay, please tell me if I am crazy or not....but this bit of code is redundant correct? |
| 01:26.13 | Clamsoda | local newOOR = not not (IsActionInRange(button.action) == 0) |
| 01:26.21 | Clamsoda | Not my code by the way. |
| 01:26.43 | foxlit | correct. |
| 01:26.56 | Clamsoda | I was staring at the not not and my mind sort of melted. |
| 01:26.57 | Clamsoda | Lol. |
| 01:41.52 | jleclanche | airtonix: interesting link |
| 01:52.28 | karl_w_w | the table formatting could use work |
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| 02:13.26 | relaxok | what is this nonsense? |
| 02:13.51 | relaxok | <Frame name="VideoOptionsSliderTemplate" inherit="OptionsSliderTemplate" virtual="true"> |
| 02:14.01 | relaxok | frame inheriting a slider which is a subclass of frame |
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| 02:30.34 | jleclanche | so this arch linux linode I'm on has no ipv4 connectivity (ping 8.8.8.8 doesnt work), but full ipv6 connectivity. any idea where i should look first to debug this? |
| 02:31.22 | Shirik | it's because you have arch linux installead instead of gentoo |
| 02:31.27 | jleclanche | hilarious |
| 02:31.35 | jleclanche | im almost 90% sure its linode being shit |
| 02:31.45 | Shirik | here's a real idea though |
| 02:31.50 | Shirik | what datacenter are you in? |
| 02:32.03 | jleclanche | dallas |
| 02:32.51 | Shirik | does ifconfig show that you don't have an ipv4 address? |
| 02:34.26 | Shirik | I'm on dallas too, and I believe there's a private net over our servers can try to talk |
| 02:34.29 | Shirik | to see if it's a datacenter issue |
| 02:34.43 | Shirik | just trying to find it |
| 02:34.52 | jleclanche | Shirik: you mean ip addr! |
| 02:35.04 | jleclanche | http://dpaste.com/12M3B1W |
| 02:35.06 | jleclanche | this is what it shows |
| 02:35.12 | jleclanche | HOLY HIGHLIGHT |
| 02:35.19 | jleclanche | http://dpaste.com/12M3B1W.txt |
| 02:35.33 | Shirik | ah found it |
| 02:36.44 | Shirik | under remote access you'll find a private IP address |
| 02:36.53 | Shirik | add it statically to your network card |
| 02:36.59 | jleclanche | what |
| 02:37.06 | jleclanche | this is a linode its 100% vm |
| 02:41.56 | Shirik | no |
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| 02:42.20 | Shirik | on linode.com |
| 02:42.22 | Shirik | log into it |
| 02:42.25 | Shirik | go to the remote access tab |
| 02:42.34 | Shirik | you'll find a line that says "private IPs" |
| 02:42.48 | Shirik | this is an IP address that is internal to the datacenter, and used to talk between linodes without using the wider internet |
| 02:43.00 | Shirik | you can add that IP address to your network configuration |
| 02:43.20 | Shirik | for example on gentoo I run `ifconfig eth0:2 192.168.135.79 netmask 255.255.128.0 up` as root |
| 02:43.26 | Shirik | of course, your IP address would differ |
| 02:43.30 | Shirik | so you need to go to the dashboard |
| 02:44.54 | Shirik | once you've configured your server to use that private IP I can try to ping your server from my linode to see if it's a network configuration problem or a "your connectivity to the datacenter" problem |
| 02:45.52 | Shirik | I think the correct command for you is `ip addr add 192.168.x.x/20 dev eth0` |
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| 02:52.57 | Shirik | pokes jleclanche |
| 02:53.11 | jleclanche | Shirik: im bitching at linode at the mo |
| 02:53.14 | Shirik | lol |
| 02:53.15 | Shirik | ok |
| 02:53.45 | Shirik | I mean I've been a linode customer for literally about 6 years now, only once ever had a problem and they fixed it faster than I noticed |
| 02:54.14 | Shirik | or, well, they started fixing it and sent me a message faster than I noticed |
| 02:57.15 | jleclanche | Shirik: out of curiousity what distros? |
| 02:57.28 | Shirik | gentoo |
| 02:57.39 | Shirik | a really old distribution though I really need to fix that |
| 02:57.48 | Shirik | I just rely on my server too much to actually tear it down and redeploy it |
| 02:58.15 | Shirik | " Gentoo 2007.0 Disk Image (80000 MB, ext3)" ha |
| 02:58.28 | Shirik | I guess it's been 7 years then |
| 03:07.52 | jleclanche | https://github.com/blog/1857-introducing-the-revert-button |
| 03:10.03 | znf | Shirik: fellow Linode client!! |
| 03:10.31 | Shirik | I think quite a few people here use linode |
| 03:10.39 | Shirik | I know I was referred by someone in here |
| 03:10.52 | znf | Linode is <3 |
| 03:13.28 | Iriel | is also a Linode user |
| 03:17.57 | Thunder_Child | I use it |
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| 03:19.37 | znf | First VPS provider I never had an issue with |
| 03:20.04 | znf | Before I found Linode, I had horrible experiences :( |
| 03:23.56 | Amarande | heh, some folks are apparently surprised Gentoo is still popular |
| 03:24.11 | Amarande | there seems to be an increasing notion that compile it yourself is not really all that beneficial anymore |
| 03:24.25 | pompy | Arrowmaster: http://www.breakingnews.com/item/2014/06/29/fan-reportedly-struck-by-lightning-at-ohio-columbu/ :o |
| 03:24.54 | Amarande | hell ... although FreeBSD's Ports system was cool and awesome enough for Linux to adopt it (... Gentoo ...) |
| 03:25.04 | Amarande | apparently FreeBSD itself looks to be seeking to move at least partially away from the system themselves |
| 03:25.20 | Amarande | they're coming up with this "pkg-ng" thing lately that apparently is the beginnings of a binary package system |
| 03:25.37 | Amarande | not sure if it's meant to coexist with Ports or if Ports is planned to be phased out in favour of pkg-ng |
| 03:27.09 | Amarande | The sad thing is I'm not sure if local compilation will remain viable for very long without forcing people to start thinking like overclockers even if they have no plans of ever OCing |
| 03:27.22 | Amarande | (correspondingly, I'm noticing "compiler as a service" is starting to become a thing. Hadn't heard about that before.) |
| 03:28.46 | Amarande | primarily due to the fact that the thermal properties of so many desktop tier processors have not been very good of late |
| 03:30.50 | Amarande | The good thing about Haswell is that it's got a 100C thermal limit before throttle. The bad thing about Haswell is that if you're doing sustained full load tasks on it (e.g. prime95 or ... compiling things, I presume) on the stock cooler, even at stock clocks, you're going to be seeing that temperature depressingly often. :| |
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| 03:34.49 | Amarande | (At least it's better than AMD. I'm hearing tales of people trying to do things like encoding or compiling on even the FX-8320, the slowest of the 8-core Vishera line, and with the stock cooler they actually get crashes due to overheat when it's been at full load for more than a short time) |
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| 03:56.42 | znf | Amarande, all my friends that were using Gentoo have moved away. |
| 03:57.10 | znf | It was cool to do it before, but now it's mostly a waste of time. The time investments into compiling something are not really paying off in performance/flexibility gained. |
| 03:58.59 | Amarande | Yeah, that too, not many practical usecases for a distro that takes that long to get going compared to others |
| 03:59.36 | jleclanche | hey Shirik do you know if its possible to have two HostName in a .ssh/config Host? |
| 03:59.40 | Amarande | though I was more thinking if the fact that compiling may cause so many modern CPUs to run too hot has eaten into such distributions badly too |
| 03:59.41 | jleclanche | like one ip4 and one ip6 |
| 03:59.53 | jleclanche | and be able to do ssh -4 <host> or ssh -6 <host> |
| 04:00.34 | Amarande | LGA115x since Ivy Bridge have had much less efficient intra-package thermal compounding than Sandy had, and apparently AMD FX can't even run at its full load without exceeding its temperature limit at stock clocks with stock cooler |
| 04:01.10 | Amarande | I'm not sure either if it's good for my Haswell to regularly have it at 99-100C, as happens for all but one core (the fourth core only gets up to 96) when I run prime95 torture testing and probably would happen when compiling, too |
| 04:01.24 | Amarande | even though 100C is supposed to be its max temp |
| 04:01.26 | znf | My last friend using Gentoo switched to Ubuntu Server because he wanted somewhat recent packages. |
| 04:02.50 | Amarande | or if cooking the CPU like that results in noticeably decreased CPU lifespan |
| 04:03.16 | Amarande | (mind you, I'm not entirely sure what the usual lifespan of a non-overclocked CPU really even is, the buggers seem to be practically immortal nowadays unless you overvolt them, tbh) |
| 04:04.47 | jleclanche | Shirik: omfg. dhcp wasnt configured properly by default. i enabled it, now ipv4 and ipv6 inbound work, ipv4 inbound works, ipv6 inbound stopped working |
| 04:05.08 | jleclanche | im going to kill someone |
| 04:05.24 | Cairenn | Can I offer up my SiL? |
| 04:05.42 | znf | what's a SiL? |
| 04:05.57 | Cairenn | Sister-in-Law |
| 04:06.11 | jleclanche | Cairenn: how hot is she? |
| 04:06.16 | jleclanche | I mean. |
| 04:06.20 | jleclanche | No. |
| 04:06.23 | jleclanche | That would be wrong. |
| 04:06.53 | Cairenn | I'm offering her up for being killed |
| 04:06.53 | znf | I'll take you up on that. How hot is she? :> |
| 04:06.57 | znf | Oh. |
| 04:07.01 | znf | Will pass. |
| 04:07.08 | Cairenn | (12:05:53 AM) jleclanche: im going to kill someone |
| 04:07.08 | Cairenn | (12:06:09 AM) Cairenn: Can I offer up my SiL? |
| 04:07.15 | jleclanche | Sure. |
| 04:07.36 | znf | How the hell do I stop Google Now from sugesting Work? |
| 04:07.43 | znf | I don't work :-( I'm unemployed |
| 04:07.44 | jleclanche | znf: be lazier |
| 04:07.51 | jleclanche | well be french then |
| 04:07.56 | jleclanche | google never suggests work for me... |
| 04:08.06 | znf | Google Now on Android, I mean |
| 04:08.15 | znf | keeps telling me that it takes me 5 minutes to get to work |
| 04:09.00 | Amarande | I've never really seen Google Now much |
| 04:09.14 | Amarande | mostly I see it when I accidentally tap something from the lock screen on my android tablet I think |
| 04:09.20 | znf | I find it awesome. Having come back from iOS to Anddroid, it's /so/ awesome |
| 04:09.21 | Amarande | and then generally I try to get out of it as quickly as possible |
| 04:09.41 | znf | The "5 minutes to where you parked your car" thingie was mind blowing |
| 04:12.20 | airtonix | Shirik: but you're a microsoft guy |
| 04:15.05 | airtonix | znf: maps > remove address for work |
| 04:15.07 | Shirik | Cairenn: :( |
| 04:15.16 | Shirik | airtonix: I'm only a microsoft guy for desktops |
| 04:15.28 | airtonix | Shirik: doesn't matter you suck anyway |
| 04:15.35 | airtonix | Shirik: but i still love you |
| 04:15.41 | znf | airtonix, it's blank |
| 04:15.45 | znf | still shows up in Google Now :-| |
| 04:15.56 | Shirik | tbh vxworks or qnx all the way |
| 04:16.00 | Shirik | but linux is ok I guess |
| 04:16.06 | Shirik | and far more supported |
| 04:17.55 | airtonix | znf: Now > scroll down > wand > places > work > blank |
| 04:18.45 | znf | won't allow me to blank it |
| 04:18.52 | airtonix | yeah just noticed that |
| 04:18.58 | airtonix | submits feedback |
| 04:19.18 | znf | SOME PEOPLE DON'T HAVE WORK, GOOGLE! No need to rub it in! |
| 04:19.45 | Shirik | my favorite part is all the websites that tell me that I'm not allowed to have a space in my last name |
| 04:20.01 | Shirik | and of those that do, half of them turn my last name into "del" |
| 04:20.14 | Shirik | including one of my bank cards |
| 04:20.22 | airtonix | my last name is "; drop database" |
| 04:21.51 | airtonix | is there a recorded instance of someone actually legally changing their name to something like that ? |
| 04:24.00 | znf | Hmmm. |
| 04:24.20 | znf | doesn't php's strtotime() produce a datetime object? |
| 04:24.47 | Shirik | no |
| 04:24.52 | znf | Oh. |
| 04:24.55 | Shirik | it produces a unix timestamp |
| 04:25.12 | kd3 | oh wtf php's redone the doc site |
| 04:25.21 | kd3 | http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.strtotime.php |
| 04:25.24 | znf | made it modern :P |
| 04:25.44 | Shirik | too bad they couldn't redo the language while they were at it |
| 04:26.03 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 04:29.41 | znf | wonders why he tries to do it OO style |
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| 04:34.15 | Shirik | because ints are evil |
| 04:34.54 | Shirik | neat little tidbit of info: I recently adjusted our compiler to generate errors when it encounters an int or double |
| 04:35.08 | Shirik | except in very specific circumstances |
| 04:35.09 | znf | isn't that evil? |
| 04:35.13 | Shirik | no |
| 04:35.27 | Shirik | encoding meaning along with type is a good thing |
| 04:35.43 | Shirik | this is one of the reasons I adore ada |
| 04:35.47 | Shirik | but sadly nobody else does |
| 04:36.13 | Iriel | Does your compiler change also detect when something changes type silently? |
| 04:36.45 | Shirik | well because we're forced to use a different type system by the change, it does indirectly |
| 04:36.56 | Shirik | that type system does not allow for conversions implicitly |
| 04:37.12 | Shirik | it's smart about it though |
| 04:37.16 | Shirik | I'm actually writing up a white paper about it |
| 04:38.07 | airtonix | ohh laddi dah |
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| 04:42.04 | Cairenn | heh |
| 04:42.13 | Cairenn | I like the message, Shirik |
| 04:42.21 | znf | Steam's summer competition is finally exciting :P |
| 04:42.26 | znf | with all teams coming in close |
| 04:42.27 | kd3 | the default quassel kick message |
| 04:42.41 | znf | first days were rigged so every team could win |
| 04:42.46 | znf | then red team was master race ^^ |
| 04:42.56 | znf | also, it looks like red is going to win again :P |
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| 04:45.27 | Mr_Rabies | i kinda lucked out and got red |
| 04:45.54 | znf | same ^^ |
| 04:45.56 | Mr_Rabies | i made some dosh from this sale, about $5 on cards profit |
| 04:46.03 | Mr_Rabies | from all the duplicates i got |
| 04:46.04 | znf | though I didn't really contribute any points |
| 04:46.15 | znf | until today, that is :P |
| 04:47.05 | airtonix | i don't care enough to understand |
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| 04:54.00 | znf | Hmm. Can't I do <= comparisions with switch/case in PHP? :-/ |
| 04:54.09 | Mr_Rabies | basically just craft any badge including the summer one for points and you would get bonus cards, 2 if your team won that day, 1 otherwise |
| 04:54.20 | znf | like, switch $data: case <= 3: |
| 04:55.49 | znf | meh, spaghetti code it is |
| 04:58.04 | Shirik | so C++ has a valid reason for not allowing such code |
| 04:58.13 | Shirik | PHP probably just copied from C++ |
| 04:58.17 | Fisker- | hey Shirik |
| 04:58.26 | Shirik | hey Fisker- |
| 04:58.37 | Fisker- | You'er not the worst person in the world |
| 04:58.39 | kd3 | is there any language that allows < or > operators in a switch statement? that just seems unsafe |
| 04:58.40 | Fisker- | you're* |
| 05:00.23 | Shirik | kd3: I generally feel that a language should map cleanly to its compiler's output |
| 05:00.41 | Simca_ | with the way switch/case works in C++, using <= is pointless |
| 05:00.45 | Shirik | in interpreted languages, switch-case blocks tend to map to comparisons, not jump tables like in C++ |
| 05:00.58 | Shirik | for that reason I wouldn't really be opposed to inequalities |
| 05:00.59 | Simca_ | you just define the case above and below the comparison points and break if it is hit |
| 05:01.00 | znf | You're talking things I don't understand |
| 05:01.06 | Shirik | but in barebones languages it makes no sense |
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| 05:02.38 | airtonix | znf: they're worry about things that don't matter in php |
| 05:02.49 | airtonix | because php doesn't matter anyway |
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| 05:08.10 | kd3 | random depressing true statement before I sign off for the night: At some point in your childhood, your parents put you down and never picked you up again. |
| 05:08.43 | airtonix | not depressing at all |
| 05:08.55 | airtonix | "go now child, unleash the fury" |
| 05:09.04 | Mr_Rabies | pfft |
| 05:09.43 | Mr_Rabies | if your parents don't deadlift you at every opprotunity they clearly hate your guts, regardless of age |
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| 05:09.55 | Iriel | kd3: At some point your mother wiped your bottom for the last time. 8-) |
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| 05:10.00 | znf | BOO |
| 05:10.03 | znf | My team is not wining :( |
| 05:10.05 | znf | wth red |
| 05:10.07 | znf | slaps Fisker- |
| 05:10.10 | znf | make some cards! |
| 05:10.19 | airtonix | znf: your micro sucks |
| 05:10.30 | znf | it does? O.O |
| 05:10.50 | karl_w_w | my micro sucks as well airtonix |
| 05:10.52 | Mr_Rabies | i made my summer badge today |
| 05:11.01 | znf | So did I |
| 05:11.10 | karl_w_w | everyone did |
| 05:11.19 | Dagmar | Yes. Totally makes sense for the character copier to be doing maintenance |
| 05:11.37 | znf | EU has been in maintenance since the start of alpha :P |
| 05:11.43 | znf | It was up for one day, that was it. |
| 05:11.56 | karl_w_w | ooh my team is winning |
| 05:12.01 | karl_w_w | that'll matter |
| 05:12.08 | kd3 | the website isn't working. use the client's character copy |
| 05:12.11 | airtonix | znf: karl_w_w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShOusaHBSdI |
| 05:12.15 | znf | kd3, doens't work for EU |
| 05:12.19 | kd3 | with the added bonus if you do an account copy, you get your 'cheevs |
| 05:12.24 | kd3 | well, I can't help the euros |
| 05:12.35 | kd3 | I know dagmar lives in tennessee though |
| 05:12.44 | znf | EU is -> click button -> UI closes |
| 05:12.58 | znf | it's better than the previous alpha build though, when you clicked the button and it waited infinitely |
| 05:13.10 | karl_w_w | wtf airtonix |
| 05:13.12 | znf | (true story, left it "running" for 6 hours) |
| 05:13.22 | karl_w_w | you can use the keyboard to control units? |
| 05:13.37 | airtonix | http://www.purepwnage.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=30351 |
| 05:13.56 | airtonix | Clear your mind of all things... Focus on the micro. |
| 05:15.55 | karl_w_w | is that how i blink stalker? |
| 05:17.54 | airtonix | with great surprise apparently |
| 05:18.53 | Dagmar | Damnit. Terrorists have stolen my wowb-64.exe |
| 05:18.54 | Dagmar | n |
| 05:20.12 | znf | Hmm. My eyes hurt like hell when I stay at my computer :-/ |
| 05:20.28 | znf | I can't figure out if my new prescription is the fault :-/ |
| 05:20.35 | airtonix | how long do you sit at computer? |
| 05:20.37 | znf | Went from miopy to astigmatism |
| 05:20.46 | znf | (myopia?) |
| 05:21.02 | znf | airtonix, 16hr+ |
| 05:21.17 | airtonix | get up and walk around every half hour? |
| 05:21.26 | znf | Wasn't an issue until I changed my prescription :-/ |
| 05:21.36 | airtonix | things change as you grow older |
| 05:21.49 | airtonix | some conditions take years to manifest too |
| 05:22.02 | znf | Seems that if I put on my previous glasses, my eyes don't hurt like hell |
| 05:22.11 | znf | But blurry vision, ofc :( |
| 05:22.20 | airtonix | it's just your eyes are used to it |
| 05:22.48 | znf | also, doesn't happen when I'm out of the house |
| 05:22.57 | znf | I really need to put together the money for lasik |
| 05:23.20 | airtonix | maybe |
| 05:23.21 | znf | need to visit my eye doctor again |
| 05:24.14 | znf | also I can't be sure it's the prescription |
| 05:24.18 | Mr_Rabies | how recently have you swapped to the new prescription? |
| 05:24.23 | znf | Mr_Rabies, 1 week |
| 05:24.42 | znf | also changed frames to heavier ones, and the nose-pads aren't silicone (which I need to change on monday) |
| 05:24.45 | Mr_Rabies | you should be adjusted by now, i'd check with the place you got the glasses from to make sure 100% they match your prescription |
| 05:24.55 | znf | so they're kind of pressing badly on my nose |
| 05:24.59 | znf | to the point that it hurts |
| 05:25.06 | Dagmar | Jesus. How many times do they expect templated character to respec? 200 Tome of the Clear Mind |
| 05:25.14 | znf | Dagmar, new talents. |
| 05:25.19 | znf | Swap the hell out of them ^^ |
| 05:25.20 | Mr_Rabies | if they do, i'd get the prescription doublechecked |
| 05:25.24 | Dagmar | ...but _200_ of the damn things? |
| 05:25.28 | Mr_Rabies | i go through like, 20 a week |
| 05:25.34 | Mr_Rabies | with current talents |
| 05:25.49 | Mr_Rabies | i change 3-4 talents a couple times each raid depending on boss |
| 05:25.58 | kd3 | maybe they just went 'give them a stack' |
| 05:26.21 | Dagmar | There's ten stacks of them |
| 05:26.25 | Dagmar | Four stacks of pudding. |
| 05:26.27 | Dagmar | Heh |
| 05:26.28 | kd3 | oh, then wth |
| 05:26.29 | znf | Yeah, I'm going to go change my nose pads with silicone ones on Monday. If it still hurts like this, I'm going to have to check my glasses at my doctor, she's open on Tuesday anyway. |
| 05:26.43 | Mr_Rabies | maybe the stack size is supposed to be 200 for some reason |
| 05:27.04 | znf | well, say "thanks", first batch of alpha didn't give you any |
| 05:27.07 | Mr_Rabies | could be one eye is off prescription by just enough to give you a headache |
| 05:27.19 | znf | Mr_Rabies, well, I don't get this pain when I'm outside |
| 05:27.27 | znf | Only when sitting at my computer, it seems |
| 05:27.29 | Mr_Rabies | are you near or farsighted? |
| 05:27.33 | znf | near |
| 05:27.39 | znf | + astigmatism, now |
| 05:27.58 | Dagmar | Contact lenses, yo |
| 05:28.00 | Mr_Rabies | so maybe it only effects focusing on near objects for extended periods of time |
| 05:28.00 | znf | (this is now, I only had myopia until recently, new prescription also has a cylinder diopter == astigmatism) |
| 05:28.17 | Mr_Rabies | that happens a lot less commonly outdoors |
| 05:28.19 | znf | Dagmar, that's my other option. But I don't want to change the damn things daily. |
| 05:28.36 | znf | I've been reading up, seems there's some lenses you just put on like monthly? |
| 05:28.41 | znf | At least that's how they're advertised |
| 05:28.48 | Mr_Rabies | contact lenses are practically impossible for me |
| 05:28.51 | Mr_Rabies | i can't even use eyedrops |
| 05:28.56 | Mr_Rabies | i waste roughly 2/3 of them |
| 05:28.57 | Dagmar | Yep. "extended wear" lenses |
| 05:29.04 | Dagmar | They're really handy if you're blind as a fucking bat like I am |
| 05:29.04 | Mr_Rabies | i hear they're kind of a bad idea, though |
| 05:29.17 | znf | I was looking at this: http://www.bausch.com/our-products/contact-lenses/contact-lenses-for-nearsighted-farsighted/purevision-2-contact-lenses/ |
| 05:29.18 | Dagmar | If I don't remember where I put my glasses the night before, it would take me awhile to find the damn things |
| 05:29.18 | Mr_Rabies | to go that long, at least |
| 05:29.30 | znf | Mr_Rabies, well, that's how they're advertised :-/ |
| 05:29.53 | Dagmar | It's been a long time since there's been problems with extended wear lenses |
| 05:29.55 | Mr_Rabies | i had some type of...eye thing this week |
| 05:30.01 | Mr_Rabies | pinkeye or allergic reaction |
| 05:30.02 | Mr_Rabies | not sure |
| 05:30.09 | znf | guess I'll talk with my doctor about lenses, too; |
| 05:30.12 | Mr_Rabies | and i couldn't even apply my eyedrops |
| 05:30.19 | Mr_Rabies | i wasted so much of it |
| 05:30.24 | Dagmar | Waking up and being able to see immediately is fuckin' awesome |
| 05:30.27 | Mr_Rabies | i actually got some in my mouth and almost puked |
| 05:30.36 | Mr_Rabies | tunnel vision and strong vomit reflex |
| 05:30.43 | Dagmar | Wait... |
| 05:30.53 | Dagmar | You got eye drops... in your _mouth_? |
| 05:30.56 | Dagmar | By accident? |
| 05:30.56 | Mr_Rabies | yes |
| 05:30.59 | znf | I didn't even know there were contacts that you could wear while sleeping :P |
| 05:31.03 | Mr_Rabies | dripped down my face |
| 05:31.08 | Mr_Rabies | onto my lips i guess |
| 05:31.21 | znf | (until recently, that is) |
| 05:31.25 | Mr_Rabies | i was in the shower when applying them, lol |
| 05:31.37 | Dagmar | znf: They've had them for like, ten years or so now |
| 05:31.39 | Mr_Rabies | my closest mirror is in the shower, so i applied some drops in there during my shower |
| 05:31.50 | znf | Dagmar, well, nobody told me! |
| 05:31.56 | Mr_Rabies | i actually ate another drop yesterday outside of the shower, though |
| 05:32.07 | Dagmar | Mr_Rabies: You might find it easier to stop being squeamish and just aim using gravity |
| 05:32.11 | Mr_Rabies | my eye reflexes so fast it deflects the drop like half the time |
| 05:32.34 | Dagmar | It took me a few to figure out how the fuck someone misses their eye |
| 05:32.44 | Mr_Rabies | and it drips down my face, into my mouth |
| 05:32.54 | Mr_Rabies | i didn't notice since i was in the shower, and must have swallowed some |
| 05:32.59 | Dagmar | ...then I saw you say that about a mirror and remember some people are too squeamish to just drip the stuff right onto the iris. |
| 05:33.03 | Mr_Rabies | because for like 15 minutes i felt like i was dying |
| 05:33.04 | Dagmar | It's next to impossible to miss that way |
| 05:33.11 | znf | I should also get some eye drops |
| 05:33.13 | Mr_Rabies | oh, i was looking into my mirror to see how red the eye was |
| 05:33.19 | Mr_Rabies | it was really, really red and gross |
| 05:33.36 | Mr_Rabies | couldn't even open it on day #1 after sleeping |
| 05:33.37 | znf | Should I consult a doctor about eye drops? |
| 05:33.42 | Mr_Rabies | i'll spare you the details :p |
| 05:33.49 | Mr_Rabies | if you're going anyway, why not |
| 05:33.49 | Dagmar | Mr_Rabies: Any sort of inflammation means you take out hte lenses and leave them out until either a) it's cleared up compleely or b) the opthamologist says its okay |
| 05:33.51 | znf | I remember using Visine once a few years ago, my eyes felt damn good |
| 05:34.07 | Dagmar | znf: You'll need to buy special eye drops if you wear contacts. That's about it |
| 05:34.12 | Mr_Rabies | no i'm saying my eyes/eyelids are so sensitive i couldn't even put in contacts |
| 05:34.15 | Dagmar | Visine is bad for contact lenses |
| 05:34.16 | Mr_Rabies | i can't do eyedrops even |
| 05:34.39 | Mr_Rabies | i can, but about half of them get deflected |
| 05:34.40 | Dagmar | The number of people I've known who said that initially and are now wearing contacts without issue are legion |
| 05:34.45 | Dagmar | It's like a gag reflex. |
| 05:35.00 | Mr_Rabies | even the ones that land on my eye are usually about half wasted |
| 05:35.02 | znf | Good to know |
| 05:35.12 | Mr_Rabies | yeah but i don't really want to suppress that reflex, same as a gag reflex |
| 05:35.18 | Mr_Rabies | they can be immensely useful :p |
| 05:35.28 | znf | Dagmar, I see that Visine actually has a formula for contacts, too |
| 05:35.29 | Dagmar | You know what's more useful? |
| 05:35.37 | Dagmar | Looking hot as hell without glasses? |
| 05:35.41 | Mr_Rabies | glasses own |
| 05:35.44 | Mr_Rabies | i love my glasses |
| 05:35.53 | Mr_Rabies | i've had them since uh |
| 05:35.59 | Dagmar | I love my sunglasses |
| 05:36.02 | Mr_Rabies | over 10 years |
| 05:36.10 | znf | well, actually, my glasses make me look a bit more interesting :P |
| 05:36.15 | znf | though it helps I'm not ugly :D |
| 05:36.18 | Mr_Rabies | i should probably get my prescription looked at though, it's been about 5 years since i've been |
| 05:36.29 | znf | Mr_Rabies, uhm, shouldn't you do that every, like, 6 months? :P |
| 05:36.35 | Mr_Rabies | it'd be nicer to get some lighter frames |
| 05:36.41 | Mr_Rabies | i'm not made of money, znf :o |
| 05:36.46 | Dagmar | Your prescription must not be as strong as mine |
| 05:36.46 | znf | My biggest problem at the moment is that my prescription changes every 6 months :( |
| 05:36.56 | Mr_Rabies | nah mines' not very strong |
| 05:36.57 | znf | I have to get it replaced |
| 05:36.58 | Dagmar | If I go out in daylight with glasses on, I have to avoid dry grasses |
| 05:37.08 | znf | I'm at -3.50/-3.00 now :-| |
| 05:37.12 | Mr_Rabies | i can get by without them |
| 05:37.19 | Dagmar | znf: dud etf |
| 05:37.26 | znf | wat |
| 05:37.27 | Mr_Rabies | i could drive fine without them |
| 05:37.36 | Mr_Rabies | seeing roadsigns would be harder |
| 05:37.39 | Dagmar | Has the opthamologist not said something to you about your eyes mutating? |
| 05:37.43 | Mr_Rabies | i'd have to pay attention if i was in unfamiliar territory |
| 05:37.45 | Mr_Rabies | but i could do it |
| 05:37.54 | znf | Dagmar, yeah, "stop sitting at the computer so much" |
| 05:37.58 | Mr_Rabies | mine barely changed in 5 years the first time |
| 05:38.00 | Dagmar | A little drift is normal, and it's almost impossible to measure eyes completely accurately |
| 05:38.06 | Dagmar | znf: Ah |
| 05:38.14 | Mr_Rabies | i got replacement glasses that were almost the same prescription |
| 05:38.18 | Mr_Rabies | but got the cheapest everything |
| 05:38.20 | znf | I told her she's not helping when she says that... |
| 05:38.21 | Mr_Rabies | and just use them as spares |
| 05:38.24 | Mr_Rabies | if i lose mine |
| 05:38.30 | Mr_Rabies | i haven't lost them in >10 years, though |
| 05:38.46 | Mr_Rabies | they have a ton of microscratches, though |
| 05:38.49 | Mr_Rabies | i need to replace them |
| 05:39.12 | Mr_Rabies | but they're expensive :( |
| 05:39.17 | Mr_Rabies | these were like $250 |
| 05:39.20 | znf | Ouch |
| 05:39.25 | znf | My lenses cost like 50€ |
| 05:39.36 | Mr_Rabies | my frames were expensive but it seems to have been worth it |
| 05:39.38 | znf | The frames were kind of the same price, got them at a discount |
| 05:39.45 | znf | got me some nice polaroids |
| 05:40.00 | Mr_Rabies | i've dropped them multiple times and the only things that broke so far on mine have been one of the springs on the uh |
| 05:40.05 | Mr_Rabies | arms? |
| 05:40.08 | airtonix | private health covered mine |
| 05:40.18 | Mr_Rabies | they're springloaded to fit my big head |
| 05:40.25 | znf | Ah! This is the ones I have now: http://www.firmoo.com/frames/polaroid-optical-pd2824--302249.html |
| 05:40.29 | Mr_Rabies | they spring out a bit from fully open |
| 05:40.36 | Mr_Rabies | and eventually the spring wore out |
| 05:40.44 | Mr_Rabies | just superglued that side |
| 05:40.50 | Mr_Rabies | been fine for probably 3-4 years now |
| 05:41.15 | Mr_Rabies | luckily it broke as it did and the metal that connected to the spring is supporting the weight |
| 05:41.21 | znf | though mine are black outside/white inside, hmmm, that seems to be weird |
| 05:41.30 | Mr_Rabies | instead of breaking flush, which would require new ones or something that looked awful |
| 05:41.44 | Mr_Rabies | i can't even find mine anywhere online, i'm not even sure what brand the frames are anymore |
| 05:41.50 | Mr_Rabies | i want some springloaded ones again :( |
| 05:42.01 | Mr_Rabies | my head is huge and finding glasses that fit is rough |
| 05:42.09 | Mr_Rabies | it's all skull, though, in that area at least |
| 05:42.29 | znf | I would actually consider still wearing eye glasses with contacts, too |
| 05:43.31 | znf | Would be nice to get anti-reflex and... what are those thingies called |
| 05:43.39 | znf | that they change color in UV |
| 05:43.49 | Mr_Rabies | do they have oleophobic lenses yet? |
| 05:43.57 | znf | photochromic! |
| 05:43.58 | Mr_Rabies | i would seriously consider getting some |
| 05:44.14 | Mr_Rabies | cleaning glasses is the wooooorst |
| 05:44.20 | znf | Mr_Rabies, they should think about that! |
| 05:44.24 | Mr_Rabies | thankfully mine are just glass though |
| 05:44.38 | Mr_Rabies | so i just use shaving cream if they're really oily |
| 05:44.41 | znf | I'm buying at least one box of glasses wipes every ~2 weeks |
| 05:44.51 | Mr_Rabies | no coating or anything |
| 05:45.17 | znf | But those contain alcohol. And sometimes I have issues with my skin getting dry around the eyes (because of the alcohol vapors or whatever - happens in winter) |
| 05:45.21 | Dagmar | Meh. I just use soap and water when things are bad, windex and sometimes rain-x when they're not |
| 05:45.27 | Mr_Rabies | rubbing a tiny dab shaving cream on plain glass lenses does wonders |
| 05:45.40 | znf | Mr_Rabies, that's how you get microscratches :P |
| 05:45.42 | Mr_Rabies | then rinsing with cold water, then wiping down with your glass cloth |
| 05:45.51 | Dagmar | Of course, the last time I wore my glasses was two months ago |
| 05:45.57 | Mr_Rabies | nah, ig et those from dropping them lens first onto concrete, znf |
| 05:46.03 | znf | Heh |
| 05:46.25 | Dagmar | *shudder* |
| 05:46.33 | Dagmar | I suppose it's possible my glasses could break |
| 05:46.37 | Mr_Rabies | or them getting dust/sandblasted |
| 05:46.40 | znf | I would want a polarized filter on them |
| 05:46.45 | znf | but that's a no-go with LCDs :( |
| 05:46.46 | Dagmar | However, I never leave the house in them, so yay |
| 05:46.53 | Mr_Rabies | oh mine did this neat thing at one point |
| 05:47.00 | Mr_Rabies | where the lens screw would loosen up on its own |
| 05:47.04 | Mr_Rabies | then fire the lens out |
| 05:47.08 | Dagmar | Lock-tite, man |
| 05:47.13 | Mr_Rabies | i just used super glue |
| 05:47.20 | Dagmar | That'll work too |
| 05:47.22 | Mr_Rabies | haven't had the issue in years :p |
| 05:47.27 | znf | I'm impressed your glasses lasted you that much :D |
| 05:47.29 | Mr_Rabies | good CA glue is the best |
| 05:47.45 | znf | I go trough one pair a year, at least |
| 05:47.48 | Dagmar | Well, except for that white fuzz it makes |
| 05:47.55 | Mr_Rabies | knowing how to apply it to such a small surface is important |
| 05:47.55 | Dagmar | Hence, lock-tite |
| 05:48.06 | Mr_Rabies | i applied it similar to lock-tite |
| 05:48.15 | Mr_Rabies | just put a really thin layer on the threads and screwed it down |
| 05:48.24 | Mr_Rabies | with one that had a brush |
| 05:48.35 | Mr_Rabies | it was just more available |
| 05:48.44 | Dagmar | I just dip the end of the screw in it and then stuff it in the hole |
| 05:48.45 | Mr_Rabies | you'd be surprised how often i used CA glue at the computer shop |
| 05:48.46 | Mr_Rabies | almost daily |
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| 05:49.10 | Mr_Rabies | almost daily dealing with laptops with broken screw posts |
| 05:49.18 | Dagmar | eek |
| 05:49.18 | Mr_Rabies | or anchors or whatever they're called |
| 05:49.29 | Mr_Rabies | the little metal sockets the screws go into |
| 05:49.40 | Mr_Rabies | people are really good at breaking those without losing them or the screw they're in |
| 05:49.48 | Dagmar | The last laptop that I had to actually die on me did so because some of the hinge screws on the inside worked their way loose, then ran amok and shorted the board |
| 05:50.02 | Mr_Rabies | ayup, that'll happen |
| 05:50.06 | Mr_Rabies | was it an older dell? |
| 05:50.09 | Dagmar | Now I use the fuck out of lok-tite |
| 05:50.16 | Dagmar | It was a Toshiba from 1998 |
| 05:50.35 | Dagmar | Even the screws in my phone are held in with lok-tite |
| 05:50.39 | Mr_Rabies | most of them nowadays aren't a big deal |
| 05:51.02 | Mr_Rabies | 99% of screws that get near the motherboard act as ways for various components to ground nowadays anyway |
| 05:51.17 | Mr_Rabies | but yeah if they got loose INSIDE the case, they could potentially cause problems |
| 05:51.31 | Dagmar | Yeah but that doesn't mean a random metal screw rolling across the motherboard is similarly high-mindeed about it |
| 05:51.37 | Dagmar | heh |
| 05:51.52 | Dagmar | The kicker is that I had just replaced the tiny board that illuminates the freaking screen |
| 05:52.02 | Dagmar | I had been *looking* for the missing hinge screw |
| 05:52.02 | Mr_Rabies | most motherboard shorts aren't permanent though, i've noticed |
| 05:52.05 | Mr_Rabies | unless you're like |
| 05:52.11 | Mr_Rabies | near the dc jack |
| 05:52.21 | Mr_Rabies | or other higher-power pathway |
| 05:52.29 | Mr_Rabies | otherwise it just shorts and turns off the system 99% of the time |
| 05:52.42 | Mr_Rabies | sometimes making the adapter die or just be a baby until you plug it back in |
| 05:53.18 | Mr_Rabies | oh, the inverter? |
| 05:53.29 | Mr_Rabies | those things can be super dangerous, somehow |
| 05:53.43 | Mr_Rabies | i guess the CCFL backlights can hold a charge or something like a CRT |
| 05:53.53 | Dagmar | The "somehow" is because they jack the voltage up to an ungodly level |
| 05:54.08 | Mr_Rabies | i don't really know how, since all wires going to it are like, 18 gauge max |
| 05:54.09 | Dagmar | ...but this screw shorted some of the leads going to the CPU |
| 05:54.27 | Mr_Rabies | er 16 maaaaaaybe |
| 05:54.29 | Dagmar | You can have high voltage on very thin wires provided it's under very little load and low amperage |
| 05:54.32 | Mr_Rabies | most likely 18, though |
| 05:54.44 | Mr_Rabies | yeah but how can it be dangerous at super low current, i dunno |
| 05:54.54 | Mr_Rabies | maybe it's just high voltage and not actually dangerous in most situations |
| 05:54.56 | Dagmar | Cuz it'll sting the shit out of you |
| 05:55.34 | Dagmar | Also, circuits designed with 5b in mind really don't care for 800-1000v no matter what the amperage |
| 05:55.39 | Mr_Rabies | if an 18 gauge wire can hold the current safely, you probably won't even feel it zap you much less it hurt you |
| 05:55.58 | Dagmar | LOL that's where you'd be so very wrong hehe |
| 05:56.18 | Mr_Rabies | you'd be surprised how quickly wires get hot and melt when things go bad |
| 05:56.20 | Dagmar | It won't "hurt" you but it'll sting like a mofo |
| 05:56.38 | Mr_Rabies | things have gone bad a lot at the computer shop repairing really, really badly damaged computers :p |
| 05:56.50 | Mr_Rabies | i've probably inhaled a lot of magic blue computer smoke |
| 05:58.28 | Mr_Rabies | we have a ventilation system for our soldering machine but i don't usually have it on when i'm not actually soldering |
| 05:59.15 | Mr_Rabies | when a cat-chewed cord meets a baby-thrown laptop, bad things happen, even after repairs sometimes :p |
| 06:00.23 | airtonix | you'd think you'd learn to cat proof the cables and not leave laptops where babies can touch them |
| 06:05.00 | Mr_Rabies | one lady's kid poured floor polish on her laptop |
| 06:05.42 | Mr_Rabies | that one actually took a dip into the sink at one point, after discharging |
| 06:05.50 | Mr_Rabies | then a quick alcohol bath |
| 06:06.19 | Mr_Rabies | surprisingly no corrosion from the polish, but it wouldn't boot |
| 06:06.27 | Mr_Rabies | it did after we fixed it up and let it dry |
| 06:06.33 | Mr_Rabies | (pretty quick after the alcohol bath) |
| 06:06.51 | Mr_Rabies | still waited about 24 hours after the dip for safety's sake |
| 06:07.27 | Mr_Rabies | dish soap on the plastic components |
| 06:07.48 | Mr_Rabies | ended up just needing a new keyboard for like $30 and a fee for cleaning everything of course |
| 06:07.56 | Mr_Rabies | thankfully none got in or near the hard drive |
| 06:19.30 | airtonix | oh ok |
| 06:30.19 | Shirik | 5.2 earthquake in Arizona |
| 06:30.34 | Shirik | that's not exactly a typical place for earthquakes |
| 06:30.38 | Cairenn | bleh |
| 06:30.57 | znf | ...most normal people cook bacon & eggs for breakfast |
| 06:30.57 | Shirik | looks like it's kinda in the middle of nowhere though |
| 06:30.59 | znf | I make salmon |
| 06:31.34 | Cairenn | What's wrong with that, znf? |
| 06:31.46 | znf | Nothing |
| 06:32.27 | Stanzilla | it's fish |
| 06:32.29 | Stanzilla | fish stinks |
| 06:33.03 | Shirik | I used to like salmon |
| 06:33.05 | airtonix | znf: shirik delivers earthquakes for breakfast |
| 06:33.08 | Shirik | then I moved to the pacific northwest |
| 06:33.11 | Shirik | then I realized salmon was amazing |
| 06:34.36 | Shirik | wtf |
| 06:34.40 | Shirik | and then a 6.2 earthquake in Japan |
| 06:34.52 | Shirik | obviously this means apocalypse |
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| 06:42.45 | Shirik | so clorox came out with this thing they call "splashless" bleach |
| 06:42.48 | Shirik | it's pretty magical |
| 06:43.12 | Shirik | it looks as viscous as water (obviously I'm not going to touch it) but when it hits the bucket it just stays there like drano |
| 06:43.21 | Shirik | I'm pretty sure it is made by elves |
| 06:53.26 | relaxok | how is it known that the micro buttons draw on top of the main menu bar frame? |
| 06:53.33 | relaxok | they dont have different framestrata or level that i can see |
| 06:58.44 | plaw | tackle hugs Wobin |
| 06:59.19 | Wobin | wat |
| 06:59.27 | plaw | whut |
| 07:00.13 | Shirik | wat |
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| 07:06.13 | relaxok | this is infuriatingly close to working now |
| 07:12.10 | airtonix | oh ok |
| 07:16.26 | relaxok | so yeah the micro buttons draw before the mainmenubar |
| 07:16.28 | relaxok | but whyyy |
| 07:16.56 | airtonix | because reasons |
| 07:17.31 | relaxok | not helpful |
| 07:22.43 | airtonix | oh ok |
| 07:25.54 | relaxok | http://bh.polpo.org/ui_ip_7.png |
| 07:25.59 | relaxok | going pretty fucking great!! |
| 07:26.01 | plaw | ungh, wish I could remember what magicks I needed to get WoW to log in from the battle.net launcher |
| 07:26.04 | relaxok | what's that frame in the middle? |
| 07:26.05 | Gethe | when MainMenuBar loads they are reparented to MainMenuBarArtFrame |
| 07:26.10 | plaw | fscking wine |
| 07:26.19 | relaxok | thanks Gethe! i'll check it out |
| 07:27.04 | relaxok | is that like a tutorial frame there? |
| 07:27.08 | relaxok | with the question mark |
| 07:27.22 | relaxok | i cant fucking believe how long it took me to get the text to work properly |
| 07:27.25 | relaxok | still not doing shadows though |
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| 07:41.07 | relaxok | blargh. |
| 07:42.26 | Gethe | what is it you are making? |
| 07:46.30 | relaxok | just seeing if i can recreate the whole UI system of the client |
| 07:46.44 | relaxok | but if you mean overall, making a 'game maker' |
| 07:50.41 | relaxok | Gethe, that helped a lot.. just noticed its in the OnShow.. so far i was only calling OnLoads |
| 07:50.49 | relaxok | should work now, or soon |
| 07:52.05 | Gethe | cool |
| 07:52.33 | plaw | oh, a bunch of other people are having problems with getting in to WoW using the battle.net launcher under wine. I guess it's not necessarily me then. |
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| 07:59.54 | Clamsoda | Does anyone know if PLAYER_LOGOUT fires before or after saved variables are written to the disk? |
| 08:01.18 | relaxok | http://bh.polpo.org/ui_ip_8.png |
| 08:01.19 | relaxok | bam! |
| 08:01.32 | relaxok | now to figure out what sets the character and pvp micro button textures correctly |
| 08:01.36 | Gethe | nice |
| 08:02.45 | relaxok | Gethe do you know what that thing in the middle is? |
| 08:03.28 | Gethe | i would guess some part of a tutorial |
| 08:04.52 | relaxok | whatever it is it's unhidden by default |
| 08:05.01 | relaxok | unless i have a bug |
| 08:05.10 | relaxok | (no way!) |
| 08:10.50 | Gethe | it's the TutorialFrameAlertButton |
| 08:14.51 | relaxok | hmm!! |
| 08:14.51 | relaxok | thanks |
| 08:14.53 | relaxok | should be hidden |
| 08:17.03 | Gethe | it also looks like the vehicle leave button is under the tutorial frame |
| 08:17.46 | Gethe | curious |
| 08:21.03 | relaxok | yeah |
| 08:21.07 | relaxok | bugs bugs bugs |
| 08:21.21 | relaxok | what is used when there is no texture but there's a texture file but there is a tag? |
| 08:21.22 | relaxok | like some status bars |
| 08:21.36 | relaxok | er |
| 08:21.41 | relaxok | hard to parse that but |
| 08:23.09 | Gethe | wow just uses a neon green BG when it cant find a texture, not sure if thats what you're asking though |
| 08:23.26 | relaxok | hmm ill show an example |
| 08:27.53 | Dagmar | Reduced numbers of buttons indeed |
| 08:28.10 | Dagmar | After adding two more hotkey bars, I have three whole buttons empty |
| 08:28.14 | karl_w_w | http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/29cv14/if_theres_a_hero_who_removes_mana_with_every/ top kek |
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| 11:01.33 | karl_w_w | http://torrentfreak.com/comcast-must-share-six-strikes-warnings-with-copyright-troll-court-rules-140627/ land of the free |
| 11:03.23 | karl_w_w | it's like using petrol consumption numbers to sue an alleged getaway driver |
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| 11:12.57 | airtonix | apparently the only people that use more bandwidth than require for cat viewing are bitorrent users |
| 11:13.25 | airtonix | and we all know what bittorrent is only used for |
| 11:18.27 | Alram | linux distros? |
| 11:18.31 | Maldivia | *grumble* stupid velen... |
| 11:18.40 | Alram | haha Maldivia |
| 11:18.53 | Alram | i like the guy that made a guild called a phase im going through |
| 11:19.19 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 11:23.50 | Maldivia | any good alpha/beta guilds going on? |
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| 12:04.10 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: hunter tried to rush me. cute. |
| 12:04.17 | jleclanche | i had two arcanite reapers in my hand on turn 3. |
| 12:04.27 | jleclanche | and two heroic strikes |
| 12:04.35 | jleclanche | turn 6 lethal with just weapons |
| 12:25.12 | relaxok | okay here's an example |
| 12:25.14 | relaxok | PlayerFrame |
| 12:25.30 | relaxok | there's a Layer in it that is just a Texture with no file tag |
| 12:25.34 | relaxok | PlayerFrameBackground |
| 12:25.47 | relaxok | so that's just a "solid color" or something? |
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| 12:39.54 | Semlar | relaxok: you can create a texture without setting it to anything |
| 12:41.08 | Semlar | you can also set them to a solid color |
| 12:46.43 | relaxok | well is it just by default a solid color? |
| 12:47.36 | Semlar | no |
| 12:47.58 | Semlar | you have to set it to a file or r, g, b triplet for it to display as anything |
| 12:48.59 | relaxok | okay yeah like PlayerFrameBackgroudn is set to 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.5 |
| 12:49.19 | Semlar | so it'll be halfway transparent black |
| 12:49.59 | Semlar | in lua you can either do texture:SetTexture(path) or texture:SetTexture(r, g, b, a) |
| 12:51.17 | Semlar | i'm not sure if the "color" element in xml is the same as SetTexture(r, g, b) or SetVertexColor |
| 12:51.36 | relaxok | i figured you set vertex colors to do gradients |
| 12:52.03 | Semlar | nah, SetVertexColor applies the color as sort of a filter to the texture |
| 12:52.42 | Semlar | you can set the texture to an image then call SetVertexColor(1, 0, 0) and it would only show the reds |
| 12:53.31 | relaxok | couldn't you just set the texture color to 1, 0, 0 for that? |
| 12:54.01 | Semlar | it shades the texture, you can set it to an image and color it red, not just set it to a solid red color |
| 12:54.57 | Semlar | you still have the original image, it's just in a different color |
| 12:59.03 | relaxok | but the texture object that you define with <texture> can have a color already, doesn't that shade it? |
| 12:59.29 | relaxok | hm maybe not |
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| 14:14.48 | relaxok | thanks for that info semlar |
| 14:14.51 | relaxok | seems to be working well |
| 14:15.09 | relaxok | i need to make something that can make a .toc with only the stuff that's required |
| 14:15.11 | relaxok | for a particular frame |
| 14:15.17 | relaxok | waste way too mcuh time parsing unneeded stuff |
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| 15:43.09 | jleclanche | https://mediacru.sh/lVI0yMlvW1gi |
| 15:44.05 | Jamash | jleclanche: this is what you get for using quotes |
| 15:44.47 | Jamash | oh wait I get it |
| 15:44.53 | Jamash | hahahahaha |
| 15:45.07 | Jamash | oh google you wacky funsters |
| 15:46.19 | Jamash | They have settled on "Number sign" for # |
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| 16:05.05 | jleclanche | Jamash: quotes? |
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| 16:24.50 | Arrowmaster | anybody got steam sale cards to trade? have 1,2,3,10 and need 5,8 |
| 16:25.30 | smcn | my steam level isn't even high enough to get cards because i've sold every game card i ever got instead of making badges |
| 16:25.49 | smcn | to get cards from the summer sale^ |
| 16:26.02 | foxlit | And you didn't buy Half Life 2 at launch? Heresy! |
| 16:26.56 | Simca_ | did halflife 2 at launch require steam? |
| 16:27.14 | foxlit | yes. |
| 16:27.33 | smcn | yes that was "the thing" |
| 16:27.43 | foxlit | (but it turns out that they cheaped out and 9 years of service is only 450 xp, not 900.) |
| 16:28.19 | Arrowmaster | i made a new account when orange box came out since my first account name was locked to an email address |
| 16:28.29 | Arrowmaster | silly system |
| 16:30.41 | jleclanche | http://googlesystem.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/plugin-free-google-hangouts-in-chrome.html |
| 16:30.42 | jleclanche | YES |
| 16:30.43 | jleclanche | YES YES YES. |
| 16:30.57 | jleclanche | I no longer have plugins on chrome |
| 16:31.00 | jleclanche | FUTURE. |
| 16:31.37 | foxlit | what do you call Native Client? |
| 16:32.02 | jleclanche | foxlit: I dont have native client |
| 16:32.10 | foxlit | "Google uses WebRTC and Native Client to provide a native video chat experience." |
| 16:34.36 | jleclanche | foxlit: nacl is not pepper i believe |
| 16:35.13 | foxlit | "Some of the plugins are bundled with Chrome and use Google's PPAPI/Pepper instead of NPAPI: […], Native Client." |
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| 16:56.04 | nevcairiel | So its another kind of plugin. Plugin all the same. :P |
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| 16:56.12 | smcn | you're a plugin |
| 16:56.51 | nevcairiel | If I were fisker, I would now say something about plugging in to your mother |
| 16:57.06 | Fisker | Why nevcairiel ? |
| 16:57.09 | Fisker | That's crude |
| 16:57.21 | smcn | lewd crude and vile |
| 16:57.31 | Kalroth | Fisker: your mom is crude |
| 16:58.04 | Fisker | That wasn't very nice Kalroth |
| 16:58.14 | Kalroth | Fisker: your mom isn't very nice |
| 16:58.27 | Fisker | I see |
| 16:59.04 | Fisker | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hus2Ys3bfnY |
| 16:59.56 | Kalroth | :D |
| 17:01.12 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: are you watching the WP cup? |
| 17:01.31 | jleclanche | its actually quite entertaining. much better than the bullshit cups we've had before |
| 17:01.34 | jleclanche | much better suited |
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| 17:24.57 | [1]Tom | Hey |
| 17:25.16 | kd3 | 'lo |
| 17:25.26 | smcn | wait a second |
| 17:25.31 | smcn | you're not tom |
| 17:25.41 | smcn | D: |
| 17:25.48 | notTom | There must be a tom who frequents so i made sure you could tell the difference |
| 17:27.11 | notTom | I dont really think this is the right place but it seems like it would be the best shot, its a quick question about the API |
| 17:27.19 | kd3 | shoot |
| 17:28.06 | notTom | Well, ive just made a tiny little android app to play around with the API, it pulls JSONs fine from everywhere and i can get all the data etc |
| 17:28.30 | notTom | but trying to pull from the wow api always returns 500, but the catastrophic one |
| 17:29.04 | notTom | "There was a server error or equally catastrophic exception preventing the request from being fulfilled." thats what it means, but googling etc doesnt return much |
| 17:29.18 | notTom | Just wondering if there was some sort of block on android devices etc |
| 17:29.42 | kd3 | oh, the web api? uh, you may want to poke the community platform api forum: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/2626217/ |
| 17:29.52 | kd3 | I'm not aware of any surprise changes to it blocking android |
| 17:29.52 | notTom | Yeah i probably will |
| 17:30.50 | notTom | This chat is surpsingly big for addon devs, i thought it would be like 20 tops |
| 17:31.19 | kd3 | it's a pretty big community |
| 17:33.58 | notTom | anyway thanks for the info :) |
| 17:34.40 | kd3 | np, sorry I couldn't be of more help |
| 17:38.49 | Amarande | kd3: unless it's some sort of asstastic epic fail of coding like Intel's Download Centre |
| 17:39.03 | Amarande | where apparently any Firefox version 30 or higher (like Aurora) actually produces a SERVER side error |
| 17:40.55 | Amarande | or the health care site for my state, where I can no longer seem to access the site, every now and then I get an email saying I've got a message I should read and to log into the site |
| 17:41.10 | Amarande | but it invariably just sits there and says that it's down for maintenance from June 3 to June 4, LOL |
| 17:41.28 | Amarande | (does this on ANY device, unless I try it on my phone and turn off wifi so it uses AT&T instead of my regular internet connection) |
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| 17:43.03 | jleclanche | https://mediacru.sh/I0skm_eszBwm turn 5 "fuck you i aint putting up with that shit" |
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| 17:44.33 | [1]Tom | om |
| 17:44.35 | [1]Tom | oops |
| 17:47.50 | kd3 | an equalizer in the 88th minute. eesh |
| 17:48.28 | notTom | painful |
| 17:53.46 | notTom | mexico :( |
| 17:53.52 | kd3 | wow |
| 17:54.58 | notTom | this is cruel |
| 18:00.04 | Shirik | "In an experiment it conducted earlier this year, Facebook injected the feeds of nearly 700,000 of its (unknowing) users with negative content to see if it would make the posts they wrote more negative. The researchers believe that it did. The mood of the posts seen in the news feeds of the experiment’s subjects moved like a “contagion” into the posts of said subjects." |
| 18:00.46 | Jamash | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:01.00 | Jamash | in other news, the chocolate ration has been increased to 17 grams per week |
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| 18:17.39 | smcn | Shirik: an interesting read on the legal side of that experiment (also see updates at the end: http://laboratorium.net/archive/2014/06/28/as_flies_to_wanton_boys |
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| 18:29.46 | Amarande | welp, canceled my wow sub again so I can save the 15 bucks for another part of my budget for the time being. got till the Fourth. :) |
| 18:29.49 | Amarande | you know what occurs to me |
| 18:30.04 | Amarande | I miss the old WoW cancellation screen :( The new one looks so plain and businesslike and clinical |
| 18:30.22 | Amarande | Remember the cute old one with the little WoW cartoon characters who were sad to see you go? |
| 18:30.27 | Amarande | I miss that one :S |
| 18:31.02 | Simca_ | do they still have the incredibly elaborate 'reason' box? |
| 18:31.22 | Simca_ | I remember in classic "Will of the Forsaken was nerfed" was a reason in the dropdown |
| 18:31.28 | Simca_ | was excellent |
| 18:32.02 | kd3 | all of the mutually exclusive options too - "Class too strong" "Class too weak" |
| 18:33.01 | Semlar | "Reason for cancellation: Warlocks" |
| 18:35.18 | Amarande | Simca: it's even more elaborate now |
| 18:35.32 | Amarande | all the main reasons drop down to sub-reasons and some to sub-sub reasons |
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| 18:35.48 | Amarande | kd3: no, class too strong AND class too weak are de rigeur reasons for many players |
| 18:36.00 | Amarande | kd3: keep in mind the Standard Form of Class Change Request |
| 18:36.23 | Amarande | "Dear Blizzard, Paper is really overpowered and needs to be nerfed severely. Scissors is just fine as is though. Your loyal player, Rock." |
| 18:36.25 | kd3 | yes, yes, but I'm just amused at all the contradictory options. they're "legit" reasons |
| 18:37.27 | Amarande | hrm, do I want to install SW:TOR or LOTRO or Neverwinter meanwhile, too |
| 18:37.50 | Amarande | LOTRO should be fairly okay to play as premium since most of the subscription benefits are "sticky" |
| 18:38.00 | Amarande | though I'll hit 85 soon enough and not want to spend on Helm's Deep for now |
| 18:38.14 | Amarande | SW:TOR, I'm reading the Preferred restrictions are rather dickish :S |
| 18:38.29 | Amarande | and Neverwinter, I'm pretty sure if I get too into it I'll be spending even more money than WoW |
| 18:38.34 | smcn | i think they've gotten better on swtor |
| 18:38.46 | smcn | when it first went f2p you couldn't even buy a mount iirc |
| 18:38.52 | Amarande | smcn: did they ever fix that "sorry sucker you might only get one character on the server" BS? |
| 18:39.20 | smcn | maybe? i've only logged in like 2 times since it went f2p |
| 18:40.07 | Amarande | smcn: when I first played (before I even bought anything to become preferred) |
| 18:40.17 | Amarande | I got bitten by one of SW:TOR's most irritating bugs of all |
| 18:40.31 | Amarande | the worst thing about it, too, is that there is no way to recover from it without spending money |
| 18:40.59 | Amarande | smcn: since F2P, if you are not a subscriber, you have to "Activate" your characters before you can play them |
| 18:41.09 | Amarande | (I think you get a grace period when you first create them, but when you relog, you have to Activate them to continue) |
| 18:41.31 | Amarande | This is done to enforce character slot limits, since when you drop down to preferred, say, you have fewer slots than you had as subscriber |
| 18:41.35 | smcn | yeah i think i remember something about that |
| 18:41.48 | Amarande | However, there is a VERY common bug where when you hit Activate it freezes and does nothing |
| 18:42.03 | Amarande | however, when you give up and log out and try to activate again, even though you don't actually have an activated character, the server says you do |
| 18:42.09 | Amarande | so it permanently nixes one of your slots |
| 18:42.34 | Amarande | and because of limited support accessibility for non-subscribers, the only way at all to alleviate it is to either spend money on an extra slot (that you shouldn't need anyway) or sub (which clears the whole thing) |
| 18:42.36 | smcn | awesome |
| 18:42.48 | Amarande | it's pretty much why I subscribed as soon as I did, heh |
| 18:43.26 | Amarande | I was going to try it at free for a while longer, but after hitting some of the restrictions, such as that and the ludicrous chat restriction (you can only talk once a MINUTE in public channels), I went straight to subscriber |
| 18:43.30 | smcn | and that's why you build your f2p system *before* your game launches, even if it's going to start out with a monthly fee |
| 18:43.36 | smcn | because it will switch to f2p |
| 18:44.14 | smcn | that's just a pro tip for anyone in here who happens to be a dev for eso or wildstar, better get on that now if you haven't already |
| 18:45.03 | Amarande | well, I think LOTRO handled the transition pretty well though |
| 18:45.09 | smcn | yeah definitely |
| 18:45.18 | Amarande | except for the fact that Turbine shot themselves in the foot with the whole lifetime subscription thing |
| 18:46.01 | Amarande | (I've noticed some of the more detailed benefits for subscribers have been being cut back lately, and I get the distinct feeling it's that they've got a large percentage of life subs compared to total subs, and need to nerf subscription benefits across the board in order to get more money from the life folks) |
| 18:46.28 | Amarande | then again, they do admittedly have one of the lightest subscription costs in the business for what you get |
| 18:46.52 | Amarande | as long as you get more than just the one month, you go down to $10 a month at most, while de rigeur for MMOs in general is usually the 15/14/13 dollar spread |
| 18:47.31 | Amarande | I wonder if WoW or FFXIV will ever be forced to go F2P |
| 18:48.25 | smcn | wow will go f2p once the world's population is decimated in world war 3 |
| 18:49.15 | smcn | ff14 i have no idea how japan thinks about mmo subscriptions but i've heard a lot of really good things about the game and of course it's final fantasy so it might have enough staying power |
| 18:49.47 | g0urra | smcn: after playing WoW for 8 years, FFXIV is a lot more fun |
| 18:50.57 | smcn | g0urra: the things i've heard are mostly about the story stuff which is exciting to me because that's why i loved swtor when it first came out, unfortunately i'm completely broke so i can't check it out |
| 18:51.52 | Amarande | yeah, a subscription MMO is really not in my budget at the moment |
| 18:52.17 | smcn | forget about subscription i can't even afford $20 to just buy it for a free month |
| 18:52.17 | Amarande | time to play my PS3, Steam, and DS backlogs more, too |
| 18:52.28 | Amarande | 20? try 45 |
| 18:53.04 | Amarande | it's like, 30 for the game, 12 for the authenticator, and probably at least 3 bucks for shipping on the authenticator |
| 18:53.30 | g0urra | Amarande: $12 for an authenticator for which game? |
| 18:53.46 | Amarande | g0urra: FFXIV, the Square authenticator is $11.99 now |
| 18:53.59 | g0urra | what, they started charging for it? |
| 18:54.16 | Amarande | g0urra: for a physical authenticator? always, unless you got one with the CE |
| 18:54.34 | g0urra | the app is free |
| 18:54.52 | g0urra | the game is 13.39 euro on steam right now |
| 18:54.54 | g0urra | don't know in $ |
| 18:55.03 | Amarande | and no, I have no idea why the fob for SE is so expensive ... Blizzard's is like $8, and the SW:TOR one was actually only like $5 (and pays for itself in cartel coins in five months or so at that) |
| 18:55.08 | foxlit | windows client only :( |
| 18:55.22 | Amarande | foxlit: pretty sure windows works on your mac :) |
| 18:55.47 | Amarande | I think FFXIV might work in Wine, too |
| 18:55.56 | Amarande | assuming you ever get that SOB set up properly, I'm not sure why I can never seem to :S |
| 18:56.35 | Amarande | g0urra: I've heard the app is really risky, like has a tendency to lose your key code whenever there's an app update |
| 18:56.39 | Amarande | and then you're locked out |
| 18:57.00 | g0urra | and if that happens contact SE support |
| 18:57.12 | Amarande | the swtor one I bought because I seem to remember I bought the fob before I decided to subscribe |
| 18:57.27 | Amarande | and with swtor you have to subscribe *before* you can link the mobile app, if you're not subbed you can only link a fob |
| 18:57.31 | g0urra | I can't even use my SWTOR fob because only subscribers can use it |
| 18:57.50 | Amarande | g0urra: huh. pretty sure unless they changed it since last august, physical fob is usable by free and premium |
| 18:57.57 | Amarande | it's the app that needs a subscription |
| 18:57.58 | g0urra | nope |
| 18:58.07 | g0urra | can't use it without sub |
| 18:58.21 | Amarande | at least when I went to link the fob, I went to the account dashboard and the only option available was "link Physical Security Key" (i.e. fob) |
| 18:58.41 | Amarande | a bit of research and discovered that linking a mobile security key only comes up for subs |
| 18:59.01 | Amarande | maybe it was different ... when did you get your fob? |
| 18:59.16 | foxlit | (could you maybe, just, not get an authentiactor?) |
| 18:59.32 | Amarande | foxlit: I wouldn't recommend it |
| 18:59.34 | g0urra | Amarande: at launch, from CE |
| 18:59.48 | Amarande | g0urra: when did you attempt to link it? |
| 19:00.10 | foxlit | why not? |
| 19:00.32 | g0urra | november 28 last year |
| 19:00.33 | Amarande | foxlit: for SW:TOR, there are certain items (including most notably a dye colour, a set of adaptive armour for females that has no other requirement, and the ability to buy fleet passes for credits) that you can't access without a security key linked |
| 19:00.46 | Amarande | g0urra: ah, perhaps they changed it then, I linked mine around August if I remember |
| 19:01.43 | Amarande | foxlit: and for FFXIV ... well I'm not sure if you get any specific perks for the authenticator, but the game is horrendously rife with gold sellers (they ban over 1000 folks a week for gold selling activities according to the SE news roll) |
| 19:02.19 | g0urra | Amarande: you get to set up one location for free teleports |
| 19:02.20 | Amarande | if gold selling is that epidemic, I'd expect that account security is something to be particularly careful of |
| 19:02.38 | Amarande | 1000 a week sounds worse than WoW |
| 19:02.42 | Amarande | especially since that's just the people who get caught |
| 19:03.21 | g0urra | huh, seems like I can set it up now, oh well |
| 19:05.49 | Amarande | foxlit: btw, to give you an idea as to how valuable a benefit that adaptive armour set is: adaptive armour is usable regardless of your class (it automatically stats itself according to the heaviest you can wear) |
| 19:06.40 | Amarande | and most Adaptive sets have fairly onerous requirements to obtain, practically all of the other ones that can be bought with credits from a vendor requiring you to grind enough group content to get a high enough Social rank |
| 19:07.32 | Amarande | the rest are basically all Cartel Market, of which only a few can be bought as full sets, the rest you have to play the whole McDonald's Monopoly style gathering game through the gamble packs or the AH |
| 19:07.55 | Amarande | (although the good side is once you gather a full cartel set on one character, you can unlock it for some money to be usable permanently for free on all characters) |
| 19:08.48 | Amarande | the dancer set is basically the only one that's reasonably easy to get for a while if you aren't doing flashpoints on that character (I really wish social rank was shared across legacy like reputations are) don't want to put in real cash or grind endless credits, though |
| 19:09.14 | Amarande | but, it's only available if you've got an authenticator :) |
| 19:10.19 | Amarande | although part of the issue with gathering cartel sets also has to do with how the game is structured :( |
| 19:12.29 | Amarande | g0urra, you've probably noticed it too, the story oriented format of SW:TOR very much makes "grind your dailies for credits" feel especially annoying :S |
| 19:12.56 | Amarande | whereas the fact that WoW makes max level its maindraw rather alleviates this to a degree |
| 19:13.45 | Amarande | (that or I'm just spoiled on being able to zip from daily to daily at quadruple speed instead of on a jalopy of a speeder that barely doubles your run speed? heh) |
| 19:14.44 | jleclanche | "QT is developed by Trolltech, a well known trolling company." |
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| 19:44.54 | Simca_ | jleclanche: QuickTime? yeah, that is a troll format. |
| 19:45.20 | Simca_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.34 | smcn | i do all my trolling with realmedia |
| 19:56.42 | Shirik | Simca_: not sure if trolling |
| 19:56.46 | Shirik | jleclanche: I loled |
| 19:57.00 | jleclanche | Shirik: at ? |
| 19:57.14 | Shirik | [12:28:07] <jleclanche> "QT is developed by Trolltech, a well known trolling company." |
| 19:57.17 | jleclanche | oh |
| 19:57.25 | jleclanche | Shirik: what about my https://mediacru.sh/I0skm_eszBwm :( |
| 19:57.50 | Shirik | that looks like hearthstone |
| 19:57.55 | Shirik | I refuse to have anything to do with that picture |
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| 20:33.09 | kd3 | damn it world server crash the instant after I complete a quest... now I'll never know what the questgiver said |
| 20:34.03 | Ressy | which quest? |
| 20:34.21 | kd3 | Loola's Lost Love |
| 20:34.30 | Ressy | I'm also getting annoyed with that... Instead of putting me back where I was, it resets me to garrison |
| 20:34.32 | Simca_ | "<insert completion text here>" |
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| 20:34.36 | kd3 | meh, I'll play another toon through smv in a few builds |
| 20:45.05 | Dagmar_ | It's interesting how with a pre-made *many* of the quests seem to somehow fill in with the newbie 'here's your fourth, fifth, and sixth skills" message |
| 20:46.20 | Alram | it happens with all characters while those spell rewards only should be visible for boosted chars |
| 20:55.38 | Dagmar | I suspect the boost flag is broken then, since I've picked up a few items that said something about "Boost debug" on them |
| 20:55.59 | Dagmar | The "AWESOME IN-GAME EVENT" was a nice placeholder, tho'. ;) |
| 20:58.27 | Alram | yeah Dagmar one of the devs said so on twitter |
| 21:04.35 | Fisker | Oh now I get it |
| 21:04.47 | Fisker | so the point is to put like an introduction on people who start out fresh on level 90 |
| 21:05.26 | Alram | yeah thats probably why its so easy too |
| 21:05.39 | Fisker | Just like your mom right Kalroth? |
| 21:05.42 | Alram | they start with base spells i guess, and then move their way up |
| 21:06.42 | Dagmar | Yeah but it doesn't make a *lick* of sense with pre-mades |
| 21:07.29 | Fisker | I actually thought it was supposed to be like a time travel mechanic |
| 21:07.39 | Fisker | "lol you're going back in time so you don't have your full arsenal available" |
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| 21:17.10 | g0urra | so trion responsed to my request to remove my authenticator.. by posting a link to the reply that requires my authenticator to log in |
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| 21:23.27 | Clamsoda | Can anyone confirm whether or not PLAYER_LOGOUT fires before of after the saved variables are serialized? |
| 21:26.04 | Gnarfoz | I like how the substitute goalkeeper got a yellow card while on the bench :D |
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| 21:29.34 | Iriel | Clamsoda: it would have little purpose if not, wouldn’t it? |
| 21:30.49 | Iriel | Wowpedia also says it fires just before SavedVariables are saved |
| 21:38.15 | Clamsoda | Oh, does it? I tried Googling around for it, I guess not well enough =/. |
| 21:38.18 | Clamsoda | Thank you for your help, sir. |
| 21:38.22 | Iriel | http://wowpedia.org/Events/P#PLAYER_LOGOUT |
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| 21:40.04 | Clamsoda | Oh my God....=/ |
| 21:40.09 | Clamsoda | I am so dumb. Thank you so much =/. |
| 21:50.23 | smcn | Clamsoda: ABCWP. always be checking wowpedia |
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| 21:57.33 | kd3 | huh. the modem flaked out, not the router. that's... disconcerting |
| 22:06.42 | plaw | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bkqjs9SCQAIOrzh.png |
| 22:08.04 | plaw | kd3: what's the go these days with getting in to wow from the bnet launcher under wine? broken or keep trying various majocks until it works? |
| 22:18.09 | kd3 | I don't have issues with it. what version of wine are you running? |
| 22:23.03 | plaw | wine-1.7.20 it loads the game up fine but hangs at the 'connecting' dialogue and doesn't go anywhere. |
| 22:24.25 | kd3 | 64-bit wineprefix or 32? |
| 22:25.08 | plaw | seems to be a few reports of similar, http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/10494932327 http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/10979638139 there was a comment in the Wine AppDB too about it but my google fails atm |
| 22:25.13 | plaw | both prefixes |
| 22:25.38 | kd3 | the only stuck-at-connecting thing I see is if I try to run d3 in a 64-bit prefix. everything else works fine |
| 22:29.04 | plaw | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:31.53 | plaw | so the args are getting passed properly, if not multiple times |
| 22:32.17 | plaw | kd3: cheers, least I ain't missed anything everyone else is using. |
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| 22:32.59 | kd3 | (sorry, distracted). yah, I dunno what to say. try making a clean wineprefix, installing bnet and pointing it at your existing installs of games |
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