| 00:01.54 | foxlit | saves you from having to write that code path, I think. |
| 00:12.46 | foxlit | another somewhat-related item from my wishlist: handle:GetAttribute() should return a frame handle when the queried attribute contains a frame. |
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| 00:15.08 | foxlit | (this actually extends on what you can do now, so I guess I'm not holding my breath for it to happen. At some point, I wanted to hook the actual RegisterStateDriver, but I couldn't get a reference to the frame it was being called for.) |
| 00:33.52 | Simca | i wonder if that four year old bug with the framestack is solved in WoD |
| 00:37.38 | foxlit | there's a bug with the framestack? |
| 00:39.58 | Simca | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/stratafix |
| 00:40.15 | foxlit | "Ever encounter a bug where UI buttons are not clickable or elements are mysteriously missing?" << Nope. |
| 00:40.22 | Simca | fixed by an addon dev sept 2011, but still occurs regularly in the live client, even with no addons enabled |
| 00:40.37 | Simca | happens to the left side of the encounter journal |
| 00:40.44 | nevcairiel | what does that have to do with framestack |
| 00:41.07 | nevcairiel | i guess you didnt mean /framestack? :p |
| 00:41.31 | nevcairiel | but i've never had that problem myself either |
| 00:41.38 | Simca | i've had it a LOT |
| 00:41.59 | nevcairiel | bad things happen to bad people |
| 00:42.16 | Simca | i found the addon because i went looking for a solution |
| 00:42.27 | Simca | because it was happening too many places on too many frames to be an addon issue |
| 01:01.19 | Naptime | I've only ever seen that with the Encounter Journal, good to know there's a fix other than reloading the ui |
| 01:13.51 | jleclanche | ive had it a lot with the achievement ui |
| 01:51.19 | plaw | Wobin, karl_w_w &c: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqExuXACYAA5arB.jpg |
| 01:55.50 | Wobin | plaw: cannot unsee |
| 02:00.32 | plaw | Wobin: you're welcome |
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| 02:47.46 | Semlar | Simca: happens all the time, i just assumed it was an addon causing taint that somehow screwed up the frame levels |
| 02:48.48 | Semlar | if i go raid and come back to town there is basically zero chance that i will be able to use either the reforge guy or the item upgrade guy without reloading the ui |
| 02:48.54 | Simca | yeah |
| 02:49.09 | Simca | i have reproduced it without any addons loaded at all |
| 02:49.20 | Simca | in the blizz encounter journal |
| 02:49.27 | Semlar | yeah it's a frame level issue |
| 02:49.40 | Semlar | the buttons end up under other mouse-enabled frames |
| 02:49.48 | Simca | yep |
| 02:50.52 | Simca | man if i had direct access to the blizz bug tracker, haha. i know so many obscure bugs. there's one bug that affects item drop rates from vanilla rare spawns which has been present since day 1 |
| 02:50.52 | Semlar | it happens a lot with the encounter journal |
| 02:51.03 | Semlar | i usually can't check what items a boss drops |
| 02:51.35 | Simca | yeah i'd been running StrataFix for so long i forgot about it |
| 02:51.36 | Semlar | i'll open it and try to click on a boss and it just goes nope |
| 02:52.08 | Semlar | and of course i won't be able to reload because i'll lose the bonus role window |
| 02:52.11 | Semlar | roll |
| 02:52.49 | Semlar | >_> |
| 02:53.06 | Simca | you can reload the bonus roll window by zoning if you ever need to, btw |
| 02:53.16 | Simca | bizarre but funny bug with the bonus roll frame |
| 02:54.04 | Simca | sometimes i accidentally click out of a bonus roll when i wanted to roll, so i just hearth to shrine and then roll |
| 02:54.22 | Semlar | it comes back even if you close it? |
| 02:54.25 | Simca | yes |
| 02:54.29 | Simca | it will come back unless you won |
| 02:54.48 | Semlar | i assume there's an api function you could call to show it |
| 02:54.57 | Simca | yeah |
| 02:55.03 | Simca | framexml function but yeah |
| 02:55.08 | Semlar | zoning could be impractical in a raid |
| 02:55.33 | Simca | i think it's probably as simple as BonusLootFrame_Show() |
| 02:56.09 | Semlar | i assumed closing it just canceled the roll |
| 02:56.39 | Simca | nah there is no internal recognition of cancelling, it only tracks expiration timer and winning |
| 02:56.57 | Semlar | well that's good to know |
| 02:57.35 | Simca | blizzard is doing something weird with blps in WoD, not sure how to fix it yet, mostly because it isn't working in-game |
| 02:57.46 | Simca | but they're replacing transparent sections of BLP with 'black' |
| 02:58.18 | Simca | sleeve textures: http://i.imgur.com/M38TDd7.png (transparent area is black) |
| 02:59.03 | Simca | you can see it on gloves of this priest t17 preview from mmoc too: http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2014/june/priestTier17HD.jpg |
| 03:02.34 | Semlar | are you sure the background of the viewer isn't black |
| 03:03.07 | Amarande | hrm |
| 03:05.31 | nevcairiel | Maybe what ever viewer you're using doesn't support a new feature they are using |
| 03:08.30 | pompy | stupid weather! http://new.livestream.com/spacex/events/2980259/statuses/54537633 |
| 03:09.47 | nevcairiel | Florida is apparently a bad place for a launch platform |
| 03:09.54 | nevcairiel | Crappy weather down thete |
| 03:10.00 | nevcairiel | There* |
| 03:10.05 | Naptime | not totally true |
| 03:10.29 | Naptime | there's just 30 minutes of garuanteed rain every day you gotta watch out for |
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| 03:11.22 | pompy | http://img.new.livestream.com/events/00000000002d79a3/3f96d59a-6107-40d1-b087-0fb73435462e_640x960.jpg gloomy |
| 03:13.19 | Semlar | florida has relatively stable weather |
| 03:13.34 | Xuerian | Well, yeah |
| 03:13.38 | Semlar | it's just ludicrously hot right now |
| 03:13.41 | Xuerian | "Rain" and "starting to rain" |
| 03:13.56 | Semlar | it hasn't been raining that much |
| 03:14.14 | Xuerian | Just because the rain drops are going horizontal in a hurricane doesnt' mean it's not raining. |
| 03:14.20 | Semlar | >_> |
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| 03:14.33 | Semlar | it doesn't? |
| 03:14.52 | Xuerian | Besides which, you can't prove it's not raining, because you can't go outside for fear of melting into a soggy puddle and getting devoured by fire ants |
| 03:15.28 | Semlar | storm season has started up though |
| 03:15.44 | Semlar | so we have hurricanes to look forward to |
| 03:15.59 | Xuerian | :p |
| 03:17.26 | Semlar | right now it's mostly just waves of mosquitos |
| 03:17.56 | Semlar | it rains and leaves a bunch of stagnant water everywhere |
| 03:19.25 | Simca | Semlar: these are raw blps |
| 03:19.31 | Simca | nevcairiel: they're black in-game |
| 03:20.14 | Semlar | where are they black in the mmo-champion screenshot |
| 03:20.19 | Simca | gloves of lower set |
| 03:20.24 | Simca | fingertips |
| 03:20.33 | Semlar | i have gloves exactly like that |
| 03:20.48 | Semlar | are you sure they aren't supposed to be |
| 03:20.56 | Simca | the upper set is not black |
| 03:22.06 | Semlar | these files are from the same source though, right |
| 03:22.20 | Amarande | yay, welcome to happy fun custom kernel world |
| 03:22.26 | Semlar | why would only one of them not work |
| 03:22.36 | Amarande | blah, knew I should have gone with ivy bridge instead of haswell |
| 03:23.59 | Semlar | maybe they forgot to add the alpha channel |
| 03:33.35 | Neffi | Amarande: So mail that one to me, and build an Ivy Bridge machine |
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| 04:10.25 | pompy | http://www.forbes.com/sites/aarontilley/2014/06/21/nest-buying-dropcam/ :O $550mill |
| 04:10.52 | pompy | but wonder why it's "nest is buying..." instead of "google is buying..." lol |
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| 07:32.19 | Arrow|phone | Fuck tequila |
| 07:32.48 | karl_w_w | it onion rings day? |
| 07:33.01 | karl_w_w | s/it/it's/ |
| 07:33.30 | Arrow|phone | Damn tequila messed with my night |
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| 08:23.00 | karl_w_w | I love that whenever I try to log in to something with openid all I get is "Your humanity is suspect... Please try again." |
| 08:26.36 | Semlar | i think it's questioning your morals |
| 08:28.33 | karl_w_w | it's as if there's meant to be a captcha but it's just not showing it |
| 08:28.50 | Semlar | have you tried trying again? |
| 08:37.16 | karl_w_w | yeah |
| 08:45.31 | Semlar | well i'm out of ideas |
| 08:57.14 | Shirik | so Wildstar has an instance which is basically equivalent to The Oregon Trail |
| 08:57.18 | Shirik | it is just as miserable |
| 08:57.32 | Shirik | and you get nothing but a feeling of "satisfaction" at the end |
| 08:57.51 | Shirik | an hour and a half of trekking through the desert |
| 09:08.31 | karl_w_w | sounds good Shirik |
| 09:08.38 | karl_w_w | I can't get no satisfaction |
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| 09:15.21 | Fisker | mad Shirik ? |
| 09:17.16 | zenzelezz | damnit. Having real unstable ping; jumping between 100-900 ms. Makes playing games tricky |
| 09:18.29 | tz | 3100ms for me, there's 55% packet loss when it hits the AT&T network from my location |
| 09:19.29 | zenzelezz | ouch |
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| 10:07.36 | airtonix | meh lightweight |
| 10:07.51 | airtonix | i live in the ping |
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| 10:14.25 | airtonix | so fiskerl_w_w |
| 10:14.56 | znf | Someone write me a /nowplaying script for xchat that gets the data for AirPlay so I can annoy people in another channel |
| 10:15.11 | znf | s/for A/from A/ |
| 10:15.15 | airtonix | you'd be the only person who uses airplay |
| 10:15.25 | znf | airplay is f* awesome! |
| 10:15.39 | znf | best feature of iOS / Apple ecosystem. |
| 10:15.43 | airtonix | not as awesome as pulseaudio network sinks |
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| 10:16.00 | znf | Once I get rid of this iPhone thingie, it will be the only feature I'll miss |
| 10:16.17 | airtonix | znf: pulseaudio is coming to android soon |
| 10:16.27 | znf | How's that going to help me? :P |
| 10:16.47 | airtonix | don't you know about pulseaudios abiilty to discover sound cards on a network? |
| 10:17.07 | znf | It will still not work like AirPlay :-/ |
| 10:17.24 | airtonix | yeah it' will work without itunes |
| 10:17.29 | airtonix | so it will be better |
| 10:17.30 | znf | Unless it can replace android's sound system completely |
| 10:17.42 | Simca_ | that sounds like something that needs OS/driver support though, airtonix. or an app running in the background |
| 10:17.44 | znf | I don't use iTunes at all |
| 10:18.02 | airtonix | Simca_: pulseaudio is at the same level as coreaudio on mac |
| 10:18.24 | airtonix | Simca_: it's the audio multiplexer thing on ubuntu |
| 10:18.26 | znf | I have an AirPort "server" on my PC (one running on XBMC and one stand-alone, Shairport4w); I stream music from my phone |
| 10:18.48 | Simca_ | i know almost nothing about mac but i'm pretty sure their network cards don't interface with their sound cards |
| 10:19.08 | znf | anyway, my point is - unless you can make android use pulseaudio by default, then it's not really the same thing |
| 10:19.22 | airtonix | znf: yep , so pulseaudio + avahi is exactly the same as airplay |
| 10:19.46 | znf | and how do I tell an app on an android phone to switch from speakers to airplay? |
| 10:19.53 | znf | or, pulseaudio, whatever :P |
| 10:20.18 | airtonix | znf: i actually have a tick box in my paprefs gui here that says " make discoverable apple airtunes sound devices available locally" |
| 10:20.50 | znf | Mkay, are you familiar with how AirPlay works? |
| 10:21.35 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/OosDpAe.jpg |
| 10:21.43 | airtonix | the same way that pulseaudio network sinks/sources work |
| 10:22.00 | znf | not exactly :P |
| 10:22.02 | airtonix | which means pulseaudio is better because it works on more platforms than just apple |
| 10:22.20 | znf | well, pulseaudio doesn't do video :P |
| 10:22.35 | znf | also, again - unless you can make it system wide on android, it's not exactly the same, is it? :) |
| 10:22.49 | airtonix | well that's the point of pulseaudio |
| 10:23.17 | airtonix | and it can also be run in user mode |
| 10:23.26 | znf | I know what/how pulseaudio is, I'm just not seeing how that could "compete" (in lack of a better word) with airplay |
| 10:23.27 | airtonix | so it's still exactly the same thing |
| 10:23.37 | airtonix | of course you cant |
| 10:23.43 | airtonix | you're use to apps that don't have a choice |
| 10:23.58 | airtonix | so it has to be system wide for you to appreciate |
| 10:24.08 | znf | is android adopting pulseaudio as their sound deamon by default? |
| 10:24.25 | znf | it has to be system wide to be useful for general users |
| 10:24.28 | airtonix | znf: is apple? |
| 10:24.54 | znf | I don't want to use a separate audio/video player to be able to redirect the sound to a network receiver |
| 10:25.07 | znf | I want to use $whateverAppIAlreadyLikeAndLove to do that |
| 10:25.09 | airtonix | how about use a rom that uses pulseaudio |
| 10:25.22 | znf | is there any? :) |
| 10:25.23 | airtonix | omg how inonvative |
| 10:25.31 | znf | It's not innovative. It's convenient. |
| 10:25.55 | airtonix | hey i'm just telling you man, you still have choices |
| 10:25.56 | znf | I'm no apple fan. I just find the feature damn convenient |
| 10:26.03 | airtonix | not my problem you don't want to adapt |
| 10:26.56 | znf | So, you didn't answer my question - is there a rom that uses pulseaudio by default? |
| 10:27.38 | airtonix | not that i know of |
| 10:27.57 | airtonix | but obviously since it's not going to be used by default on android you'd be looking for a custom rom |
| 10:28.13 | airtonix | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5-phFVfZnQ |
| 10:30.18 | airtonix | looks like it doesn't even need to be a system wide defaut thing |
| 10:31.22 | znf | Cool. I'm curious as to what happens during a call |
| 10:32.16 | airtonix | that'd be up to the android app, would be nice if it had event hooks for various things |
| 10:33.02 | airtonix | http://arunraghavan.net/2012/04/pulseaudio-on-android-part-2/ |
| 10:34.55 | znf | is there an actual PulseAudio deamon on Windows? |
| 10:35.00 | znf | I see binaries, but they seem to be all CLI |
| 10:38.19 | znf | and there doesn't seem to be anything new about pulseaudio and android, that's been a GSoC project in 2012, it seems? |
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| 10:43.42 | airtonix | znf: yeah there's pulseaudio for windows, i was using it for about 4 months while i was obsessed with dayz epoch |
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| 10:44.08 | znf | is there a neatly packaged server thingie? |
| 10:44.12 | znf | or just those cli binaries? |
| 10:44.32 | airtonix | well it's compiled and all you do is edit some text files (add the default server) |
| 10:45.04 | znf | I only see pulseaudio 1.1 binaries |
| 10:45.04 | airtonix | there's no windows centric user interfaces |
| 10:45.12 | airtonix | you should be looking for v4 |
| 10:45.22 | znf | can't find it |
| 10:45.36 | znf | not on their website anyway |
| 10:46.10 | airtonix | well they are source only, distributions should be compiling it |
| 10:46.12 | airtonix | http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.pulseaudio.general/19568 |
| 10:46.18 | airtonix | http://www.cendio.com/pulseaudio/ |
| 10:46.43 | znf | cendio has 0.9.6 :P |
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| 10:46.51 | airtonix | http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Ports/Windows/Support/ |
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| 10:47.35 | airtonix | i think i was using the x2go ones |
| 10:47.54 | airtonix | http://www.jzdocs.com/pulseaudio-server-on-win32/ |
| 10:47.57 | znf | free desktop offers only 1.1 :) |
| 10:48.12 | airtonix | http://code.x2go.org/releases/binary-win32/3rd-party/pulse/ |
| 10:48.37 | znf | so, technically, still a mess on anything else other than linux, boo |
| 10:49.36 | airtonix | because mac and windows are irrelevant really |
| 10:49.53 | znf | irrelevant in what context? |
| 10:51.12 | znf | The desktop market still belongs to Windows, so I don't think that's irrelevant. I like linux, but let's not kid ourselves... |
| 10:51.37 | airtonix | i think it's you who is kidding yourself that the desktop market is even the target market |
| 10:52.03 | znf | Last time I checked, PulseAudio is pretty much targeted at desktops |
| 10:52.11 | znf | as I don't think a server will need audio output :> |
| 10:52.13 | airtonix | it is |
| 10:52.16 | airtonix | it is ? |
| 10:52.25 | airtonix | what makes you think that? |
| 10:52.41 | znf | uhm, sound? |
| 10:52.49 | airtonix | lol |
| 10:52.52 | airtonix | k |
| 10:54.29 | airtonix | http://i.imgur.com/VkPf2b6.jpg |
| 10:55.09 | znf | heh |
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| 11:02.10 | karl_w_w | there was no ping airtonix, I crashed my PC overclocking my gpu |
| 11:02.20 | karl_w_w | don't get jelly |
| 11:02.29 | znf | there's a ping! |
| 11:02.46 | karl_w_w | thank you, my life is complete |
| 11:03.13 | karl_w_w | the swapper 80% off. looks like it will be my first steam sale purchase |
| 11:04.12 | karl_w_w | must buy more games that I won't play |
| 11:05.09 | znf | good thing I don't really have anything to buy |
| 11:05.17 | znf | I only bougth AoE II HD |
| 11:06.01 | znf | uhm |
| 11:06.06 | znf | how the hell did I miss the expansion |
| 11:06.30 | karl_w_w | ~ping |
| 11:06.30 | purl | ~pong |
| 11:06.33 | karl_w_w | ohgod |
| 11:07.05 | znf | and since when does Steam just complete the purchase when paying with paypal without actually asking for a password? |
| 11:07.13 | znf | I remember that I always used to enter a password for paypal |
| 11:07.29 | g0urra | a guy asked whether he should buy FFXIV for the summer sale discount or wait until christmas |
| 11:08.23 | znf | Why wait until xmass? |
| 11:08.24 | znf | o.o |
| 11:08.35 | g0urra | christmas sale |
| 11:08.51 | g0urra | I asked him, "do you want to play now or in 6 months?" |
| 11:09.06 | g0urra | and "why do you think it'll be on christmas sale?" |
| 11:09.27 | znf | also, does he think it will be cheaper by then |
| 11:09.28 | znf | ? |
| 11:09.32 | g0urra | probably |
| 11:09.44 | znf | it's 9.99€, I doubt it will get cheaper |
| 11:10.19 | g0urra | yep that's pretty damn cheap |
| 11:10.50 | znf | ...I have no idea why I bought AoE 2 |
| 11:10.53 | znf | I'm never going to play it :-| |
| 11:10.57 | g0urra | because steam sale. |
| 11:11.23 | g0urra | http://i.imgur.com/tWs8a.jpg |
| 11:13.13 | znf | I'm gonna steal that |
| 11:15.03 | Naptime | Is there a method to determine whether you are in a raid group or normal group? |
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| 11:15.40 | znf | I think there is |
| 11:16.36 | Semlar | IsInRaid() |
| 11:16.46 | Semlar | IsInGroup() |
| 11:17.08 | foxlit | IsInLFGDungeon() |
| 11:17.36 | Naptime | awesome, thanks |
| 11:18.30 | Semlar | there's also IsInScenarioGroup() if you need that |
| 11:18.33 | d[karl]b | shocking news: 1.1 is too low of a SNR |
| 11:18.41 | d[karl]b | for an adsl connection |
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| 11:20.55 | airtonix | so this is a thing: http://sublimereddit.aesptux.com/subreddit/pics/ |
| 11:23.13 | karl_w_w | google's ad personalisation is obviously working really well, I just got an awesome 1D ad! |
| 11:23.18 | karl_w_w | squeeee! |
| 11:23.55 | znf | 1D? |
| 11:24.29 | znf | wth is that, airtonix? |
| 11:24.45 | znf | also, why? O.O |
| 11:25.12 | znf | oh dear god, I clicked load-comments |
| 11:25.33 | Naptime | the fact that you said 1D instead of one direction makes me wonder if you actually deserve the ad XD |
| 11:25.53 | karl_w_w | well I had to make it authentic |
| 11:27.26 | airtonix | karl_w_w likes the 1d |
| 11:27.31 | znf | my question is why does Naptime know what is "1D" |
| 11:27.47 | znf | are you retarded, Adobe? http://i.imgur.com/7wsotGf.png |
| 11:27.48 | znf | :-| |
| 11:27.48 | Naptime | i live with a female |
| 11:27.55 | airtonix | lies |
| 11:28.09 | g0urra | .. One Direction |
| 11:28.13 | karl_w_w | you have less than 512mb vram? |
| 11:28.14 | Naptime | i'm sorry :( i just can't help it they're so AWESOME!!!!! |
| 11:28.24 | znf | karl_w_w, no, but I have 2 GPUs |
| 11:28.42 | karl_w_w | ah |
| 11:28.47 | znf | so it probably detects the intel igpu that has less than 512mb assigned to it |
| 11:29.04 | karl_w_w | 2 gpus rarely works out for the best :P |
| 11:29.25 | znf | So it seems |
| 11:29.33 | znf | well, no surprise there; adobe is completely retarded in this department |
| 11:29.54 | karl_w_w | I read a thing about how fps needs to be replaced as a measure |
| 11:29.55 | znf | wish I could tell it to stop using my AMD card for hw accel and use intel instead, but, nope... |
| 11:29.57 | karl_w_w | hmm |
| 11:30.42 | karl_w_w | damn it was a good article, can't find it now |
| 11:31.46 | karl_w_w | there it is http://techreport.com/review/21516/inside-the-second-a-new-look-at-game-benchmarking |
| 11:32.48 | karl_w_w | and the reason I brought it up was that method shows why multi-GPU isn't always a good idea |
| 11:33.14 | Naptime | we canned FPS as a reliable benchmark years ago |
| 11:34.49 | znf | who's we? |
| 11:35.03 | airtonix | him and his mythical female |
| 11:35.12 | Naptime | work |
| 11:35.29 | karl_w_w | der illumernaty |
| 11:35.38 | Naptime | shhhhhh |
| 11:35.53 | znf | that article is 12 pages long :P |
| 11:36.06 | znf | karl_w_w, also, I don't have a sli/crossfire setup |
| 11:36.11 | znf | just 2 separate GPUs :) |
| 11:36.20 | Naptime | wat |
| 11:36.49 | znf | wat wat? |
| 11:37.04 | znf | I have the IGPU enabled just for QuickSync :P |
| 11:37.07 | karl_w_w | I think that if you buy a steam game and don't immediately click install now, that's a sign that you have too many steam games |
| 11:39.12 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: http://plaintextoffenders.com/about |
| 11:39.18 | jleclanche | someone's finally done it |
| 11:39.37 | Naptime | sometimes i'll pick PC versions of console games that I'm willing to pay a few bucks to have on a longer lasting platform |
| 11:40.40 | znf | I sometimes get excited and think I should buy a console |
| 11:40.57 | znf | Then I realize I don't need another paper-weight collecting dust around the house |
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| 12:11.22 | karl_w_w | how isn't it illegal jleclanche? |
| 12:11.40 | jleclanche | fuck knows |
| 12:11.42 | jleclanche | wish it were |
| 12:12.07 | jleclanche | but then again if non-plaintext storage of passwords were illegal, people would rot13 |
| 12:12.31 | jleclanche | and if one specific algorithm was required, we would be in technological lock-in |
| 12:12.54 | jleclanche | it comes back to the thing that really should be illegal: Being an idiot |
| 12:13.51 | karl_w_w | they could always set a legal threshold for brute-force decryption time or something |
| 12:15.52 | jleclanche | its very dangerous |
| 12:16.15 | jleclanche | because the way you store passwords can change over time |
| 12:16.52 | jleclanche | if this were a perfect world, I would mandate decentralized third party authentication, and require sites with more than x users to use said TPA |
| 12:17.17 | jleclanche | where said TPA has been audited and approved |
| 12:17.52 | jleclanche | this is better because it lets you change and update the requirements to the audit very fast as tech progresses (law itself cant change very often) |
| 12:18.01 | jleclanche | s/to/of/ |
| 12:18.49 | jleclanche | it also lets you *actually* audit people more efficiently |
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| 12:22.20 | Naptime | Is there a way to detect the guild of a unit that is not in range of GetUnitInfo()? |
| 12:22.37 | Naptime | er GetGuildInfo() rather |
| 12:26.05 | Semlar | you can get it from a who query |
| 12:27.03 | Semlar | but i might ask how you're getting their name |
| 12:27.52 | znf | guessing in a raid group |
| 12:28.20 | Semlar | is there really a range on GetGuildInfo |
| 12:28.46 | Naptime | It has the same range that is used for deciding if the player portrait is shown |
| 12:28.57 | karl_w_w | 100 yards |
| 12:29.02 | Semlar | is it in the unit tooltip |
| 12:29.30 | Naptime | from what i can tell not unless they're in range |
| 12:29.57 | Semlar | a who query would be fairly impractical |
| 12:29.58 | Naptime | and yes, i've got the unit from a group |
| 12:30.33 | Naptime | my goal is to detect whether or not they are in the same guild as me |
| 12:30.34 | znf | why would you be out of the range in a raid group? :P |
| 12:30.40 | Semlar | oh |
| 12:30.43 | znf | that's easy then |
| 12:30.45 | Semlar | well just get your guild list |
| 12:30.50 | Naptime | say i've zoned in and they haven't |
| 12:31.15 | Semlar | all you need to do is keep a list of players in your guild and compare it against that |
| 12:31.16 | Naptime | looping through guild list is the most efficient option? |
| 12:31.24 | Semlar | well you only need to do it once.. |
| 12:31.44 | Semlar | and efficiency isn't an issue if it's your *only* option |
| 12:32.00 | Naptime | it's an issue, just not one i can deal with :-) |
| 12:32.31 | Semlar | you can get a list of the entire population of your guild regardless of whether they're currently online and put it into a table |
| 12:32.54 | Semlar | you would only need to update the table if someone joins or leaves the guild |
| 12:33.09 | Naptime | yeah i was considering that, was looking for an easier option |
| 12:33.32 | Naptime | que sera sera |
| 12:35.18 | Semlar | i say to get offline members too only because the online roster doesn't really stay updated without querying |
| 12:36.41 | Semlar | i did this to mark guild member nameplates |
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| 14:09.11 | zenzelezz | there's a quite amusing bug in the latest World of Tanks patch that makes tank corpses sometimes move a few meters |
| 14:17.59 | g0urra | people still talk about world of tanks after war thunder? |
| 14:30.05 | Neffi | Naptime: Looping through the guild list isn't that inefficient. Even at a guild size of ~500. You only need to do it every time the roster changes |
| 14:30.19 | Neffi | oh, it seems that discussion was 2 hours ago <_< |
| 14:30.45 | Naptime | Yeah, but thanks for responding :-) |
| 14:31.29 | Neffi | Lua is fast. Trust its speed. Just don't punish it. Once-off things like essentially have zero cost. |
| 14:31.49 | Neffi | You're only likely to do it once the entire session. And the cost is something like less than a microsecond |
| 14:32.22 | Naptime | Yeah, i've been using Lua professionally for game interfaces for a year, i just didn't want to have to program around that edge case that the roster changes while i'm looping thru my cashed roster in a guild of 1000 |
| 14:32.36 | Neffi | Hell, even if you looped through the list every time you encountered a unit, the cost would still be low enough not to notice. (But don't do that ;) ) |
| 14:32.38 | Naptime | for several years* |
| 14:33.30 | Neffi | Lua is single threaded. The roster can't change while you're looping. Rather, if it did, your code isn't aware of it until after the loop anyway (the next screen redraw, specifically, when the next set of queued events get dispatched) |
| 14:33.30 | Naptime | the project i'm on atm is refactoring an addon that does just that Neff :-) which is why i'm trying to find the best alternative |
| 14:34.28 | Neffi | Like Semlar said, cache all units, incl. offline, this way it rarely needs to be re-cached: only when a unit joined or quits the guild |
| 14:35.00 | Naptime | good point, for it to matter i'd have to be modifying the roster in my loop to raise that worry |
| 14:35.17 | Semlar | caches neffi |
| 14:35.32 | Neffi | aye, which I'm not sure is even possible, because latency to the server dictates any action won't happen for at least a hundred ms after the API call |
| 14:35.46 | Naptime | I'm being overly paranoid i guess, thanks Neffi! |
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| 14:36.24 | Neffi | explodes. |
| 14:36.46 | Semlar | i'm gonna be honest neffi, my nameplate script compared their name to the roster table on update |
| 14:37.31 | Neffi | "todo: optimization" |
| 14:37.34 | Neffi | problem fixed |
| 14:37.39 | Semlar | yis |
| 14:37.42 | Naptime | lol |
| 14:37.43 | Neffi | haha ;) |
| 14:38.09 | Naptime | so any thoughts on Windows editors that support Lua and XML syntax highlighting? |
| 14:38.20 | Neffi | Notepad++ or my favorite, Sublime Text 3 |
| 14:38.38 | Semlar | some people use ultra edit |
| 14:38.45 | Neffi | some people are wrong |
| 14:38.48 | Semlar | i use crimson editor which is like super outdated |
| 14:39.23 | Naptime | I prefer vim but don't have access to my config atm to set it up on this new machine i'm on at home |
| 14:39.37 | Neffi | Seriously though, use whatever. As long as it's got syntax highlighting and sane indenting, all the rest is just frills. NP++ is a common go-to editor, being solid and featureful. Sublime Text is like an editor on steriods, and some people dislike how non-basic it is |
| 14:39.55 | Naptime | sublime isn't good enough for me to want to pay for it and the pop-up is annoying |
| 14:40.13 | Neffi | Meh. The popup happens like once in a hundred saves. But fair enough |
| 14:40.58 | Neffi | hey Semlar, are you gonna try out Wildstar? |
| 14:41.02 | Semlar | no |
| 14:41.10 | Neffi | :( ok |
| 14:41.30 | Naptime | Thanks for the suggestions, i'll check out ultra and super |
| 14:41.49 | Semlar | i don't think ultraedit is free |
| 14:42.01 | Semlar | and it probably isn't worth the monies |
| 14:42.01 | Naptime | i see that :( |
| 14:42.19 | Naptime | oh and n++ seems to hate zenburn |
| 14:42.25 | Semlar | i liked it but only because i was used to it |
| 14:42.36 | Naptime | at least i've never been able to get the color scheme to work |
| 14:43.36 | Semlar | i think i might try and get lua working in an intelliJ editor |
| 14:43.37 | Naptime | i've been using Sublime but the pop-up gets annoying, i'll push through until i can get my vim config |
| 14:43.44 | Neffi | *cough* http://colorsublime.com/ |
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| 14:44.13 | Naptime | sublime has a wonderful zenburn built in :-) |
| 14:44.45 | Naptime | well zenburnesque |
| 14:45.14 | Neffi | Oh, I've been meaning to try ZeroBrane just because it's supposed to be very Lua centric, but meh. |
| 14:45.27 | Naptime | it's pretty good for lua |
| 14:45.37 | Naptime | zero support for pretty much anything else but plaintext |
| 14:45.52 | Neffi | Oh, that's a shame. |
| 14:46.32 | Naptime | to be fair my understanding is that it is a lua editor made in lua in order to help the author understand lua better |
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| 14:48.02 | Naptime | i'd say give it a try at the least, but not being able to collapse my xml elements was driving me bonkers |
| 14:53.04 | Naptime | What is the prefered method for printing to the default chat frame? Is there anything wrong with using print()? |
| 14:53.13 | Semlar | not really |
| 14:53.27 | Semlar | you can use DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage() if you want |
| 14:54.27 | Semlar | it doesn't behave exactly the same way as print though |
| 14:57.35 | Arrowmaster | had a great weekend other than the fucking tequila |
| 14:57.49 | Arrowmaster | finally getting home |
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| 15:09.13 | znf | tequila is bad, mkay |
| 15:16.16 | Arrowmaster | it makes me numb which caused problems |
| 15:16.45 | Arrowmaster | bastard that was pouring has a heavy hand |
| 15:25.18 | Naptime | is it normal for GUILD_ROSTER_UPDATE to fire off every 20-30 seconds? |
| 15:26.18 | Arrowmaster | from what i remember it fires every time a guild member logs on/off and maybe when they change zones |
| 15:26.31 | Arrowmaster | so yeah probably |
| 15:26.37 | nevcairiel | yeah its really spams a lot |
| 15:27.00 | Naptime | nobody is logging on or off or zoning, two toons online, one toon is getting spammed the other isn't getting any messages at all |
| 15:28.42 | nevcairiel | there probably is some kind of reason, but once every 20-30 seconds seems like its not too much "spam", shouldn't do any expensive calculations or anything when it happens anyway, since it can be really spammy with a whole lot of people online |
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| 16:11.24 | Neffi | You can use a bucket for instances where it might get called several times per second (multiple people log in/out) |
| 16:11.58 | Neffi | Ace3 provides bucket events, or you can use something like https://gist.github.com/nefftd/77197c075f0556edd724 |
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| 16:45.02 | Arrowmaster | this is so cool https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sisGqMf7G7Y |
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| 16:46.01 | Syllios | Are the values of UnitClass() localized or are they in english on every client? |
| 16:46.57 | foxlit | read the documentation. |
| 16:47.38 | Arrowmaster | both |
| 16:49.34 | Syllios | I read the documentation, I just didn't ask right. How do I get the class of a player and have it be the same value across different clients, different localized clients? Is there an ID like spells? |
| 16:50.11 | Arrowmaster | use the 2nd return |
| 16:51.01 | Syllios | But are they different between UnitClass and UnitBaseClass or are they the same? |
| 16:51.10 | Syllios | UnitClassBase* |
| 16:51.43 | Naptime | http://wowpedia.org/API_UnitClass |
| 16:53.51 | Syllios | Ah, ok great. Thanks for that. See I read one thing in one website and read about it in another and they're different. But that one's updated to 5.4 so it'll likely work. |
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| 17:00.51 | Arrowmaster | Syllios: depending on the localization, UnitClass and UnitBaseClass are different |
| 17:01.21 | Arrowmaster | oh theres a 3rd return value now? nice |
| 17:02.46 | Arrowmaster | i have too many fucking email accounts on my phone now |
| 17:04.21 | Fisker | hey foxlit |
| 17:06.31 | foxlit | hey Fisker. |
| 17:07.19 | Fisker | sorry foxlit |
| 17:07.20 | Fisker | :( |
| 17:07.23 | Fisker | hey foxlit. |
| 17:27.41 | karl_w_w | hey Fisker, Cookie production halved for 132 seconds! |
| 17:27.52 | Fisker | No |
| 17:28.25 | karl_w_w | Yeppers |
| 17:35.05 | g0urra | l2save |
| 18:00.37 | Shirik | so I have to play my cello at an upcoming wedding |
| 18:00.43 | Shirik | which is across the US |
| 18:01.01 | Shirik | the only way I see to get it there reasonably is to buy a ticket for my cello |
| 18:01.12 | kd3 | good luck getting it there in one piece! |
| 18:01.13 | kd3 | maybe cheaper to rent one locally? |
| 18:01.25 | Shirik | cheaper, sure |
| 18:01.31 | Shirik | but I like my instrument |
| 18:01.34 | kd3 | safer too |
| 18:01.50 | Shirik | It's really weird though, I didn't expect that they would let you put the instrument in a seat |
| 18:01.59 | Shirik | but so long as it has a seat belt strapped around it, apparently it's ok |
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| 18:03.54 | Shirik | http://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/travel/baggage/seat.aspx |
| 18:07.32 | Shirik | I'm really looking forward to what TSA says about it |
| 18:08.00 | karl_w_w | http://www.riaa.com/news_room.php?content_selector=riaa-news-mega-upload-news-real-story it's gotta be a real story if you use the word 'fact' a lot, right? |
| 18:20.39 | Simca_ | well they're not wrong |
| 18:21.16 | Simca_ | the primary use of megaupload by its users was storing copyrighted content |
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| 18:52.13 | Neffi | https://imgur.com/gallery/HdY9hmo :3 |
| 18:55.17 | Thunder_Child | Neffi: What you don't realize in image 6 is that it is the cat taking the picture. |
| 18:56.21 | Neffi | oh shit |
| 18:59.37 | Thunder_Child | .. |
| 18:59.38 | Thunder_Child | . |
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| 19:16.37 | g0urra | https://imgur.com/gallery/u1Ix1KT |
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| 19:39.35 | jleclanche | http://dist.blizzard.com.edgesuite.net/tpr/wow/config/07/09/070913e104dcb1dc02c67344b078563c |
| 19:39.36 | jleclanche | its like |
| 19:39.38 | jleclanche | really blizzard |
| 19:39.41 | jleclanche | you couldnt just use json |
| 19:40.42 | jleclanche | they have 6 different formats for patch handling, including json and xml |
| 19:40.55 | jleclanche | why. |
| 19:41.00 | Fisker | cuddles jleclanche |
| 19:41.04 | jleclanche | fuck you Fisker. |
| 19:44.03 | Shirik | jleclanche: NIH syndrome |
| 19:44.12 | jleclanche | Shirik: but they have FOUR CUSTOM FORMATS |
| 19:44.19 | jleclanche | it's NIH, NIH, IH, IH, IH... IH again |
| 19:44.29 | Shirik | even google suffers from it |
| 19:44.39 | g0urra | the company that says NIH |
| 19:45.18 | jleclanche | Shirik: Im actually rewriting my various libraries into one "python-blizzardformats" library |
| 19:45.22 | jleclanche | you know its bad when you have to do that |
| 19:45.52 | jleclanche | and here we're not talking about game file formats |
| 19:45.59 | jleclanche | we're talking purely about text formats |
| 19:46.05 | Fisker | pls jleclanche |
| 19:46.53 | jleclanche | simplestore, mfil1, mfil2, json, xml, pfil |
| 19:46.57 | jleclanche | let's not forget the aptly-named wtf |
| 19:47.07 | kd3 | Wait, what? Scarlett's playing protoss, not zerg? |
| 19:47.24 | Fisker | Scarlett Johansson? |
| 19:47.37 | kd3 | http://tv.majorleaguegaming.com/player/popout/280 |
| 19:52.35 | mikma | fisker: my thoughts exactly |
| 19:55.06 | Naptime | is there a way to get your targets name with the server name always apended regardless of same server or not? |
| 19:55.42 | g0urra | protoss power |
| 19:55.53 | kd3 | jesus christ |
| 19:55.55 | kd3 | wtf |
| 19:56.31 | Stanzilla | jleclanche: some of that is for casc, though |
| 19:56.35 | kd3 | and she just won. my gods |
| 19:56.52 | jleclanche | Stanzilla: yes, what i just linked is for casc for example. but it should be json |
| 19:56.54 | jleclanche | its a flat store |
| 19:57.10 | nevcairiel | its a dumb flat list of values, why bother with json :p |
| 19:57.17 | jleclanche | because they ALREADY USE json |
| 19:57.22 | jleclanche | why bother with two parsers? |
| 19:57.30 | nevcairiel | they also already use flat lists of things |
| 19:57.38 | jleclanche | no, this format is new |
| 19:57.59 | jleclanche | what you're probably referencing is mfil2 |
| 19:57.59 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:58.07 | jleclanche | and they're not using it in casc |
| 19:59.10 | Neffi | Naptime: see http://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/18291/UnitFrame.lua#728 . specifically, GetUnitName('unit',true) |
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| 20:00.07 | Neffi | Naptime: actually, sorry, that doesn't do that. here... |
| 20:00.09 | g0urra | https://twitter.com/AcerScarlett/status/480801440307236865 |
| 20:01.13 | Neffi | Naptime: https://gist.github.com/498535398786c99fb2f8 |
| 20:02.48 | Naptime | GetRealmName() is returning "Black Dragonflight" rather than the appropriate "BlackDragonflight" |
| 20:03.05 | Naptime | so it doesn't work with multi-word realms |
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| 20:04.35 | Naptime | I could always pull spaces, but that assumes that is the only way that realm names are abbreviated |
| 20:04.36 | Neffi | Naptime: see http://wowpedia.org/API_Ambiguate |
| 20:04.42 | Neffi | no idea how Ambiguate works, so test it out |
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| 20:05.24 | Neffi | also Ambiguate is a pretty ambiguous function name |
| 20:05.53 | Naptime | No kidding, and the description could be a bit less ambiguous |
| 20:06.06 | Naptime | suitable for use in a given comtext |
| 20:06.26 | Neffi | Try all contexts on a name that's on the same realm, and one that's not. You'll probably find the suitable one |
| 20:06.43 | foxlit | Neffi: I see you haven't noticed the "fullName" in the function signature |
| 20:07.11 | foxlit | i.e. if you can call Ambiguate, you've already solved the problem Naptime had. |
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| 20:07.28 | Neffi | Ah, I see now foxlit. So is there any standard way to always get a correct full name, or do you have to manually abbreviate and hope it's consistent in the client? |
| 20:08.12 | Neffi | And rather, do the relevant API calls care if it's abbreviated or not? |
| 20:08.27 | foxlit | http://wtfcontent.com/img/130320334607.jpg |
| 20:09.06 | jleclanche | kd3: i keep reading the bullshit that happened at dreamhack and what fucking idiocy is this setup, seriously? "you have to have your headphones on so you cant hear the crowd"? |
| 20:09.07 | jleclanche | ... |
| 20:09.23 | Naptime | the issue i'm tackling is setting the officer note of a guild mate that I have targeted |
| 20:09.27 | jleclanche | "we put you on your regular accounts and you'll be streaming with only a few seconds delay" |
| 20:09.28 | jleclanche | ............ |
| 20:09.38 | kd3 | at DH? I dunno. that whole tournament was a clusterfuck |
| 20:09.48 | jleclanche | what fucking incompetence |
| 20:10.11 | Naptime | *opponent draws Leeroy* "hello mum" |
| 20:10.32 | jleclanche | but who puts these guys on their REGULAR accounts |
| 20:10.53 | jleclanche | with blizzard sponsoring the damn thing youd think they would be able to either copy the accounts or give them stand-ins |
| 20:12.57 | foxlit | "So is there any standard way to always get a correct full name, or do you have to manually abbreviate and hope it's consistent in the client?" << Use the failure that is UnitFullName. |
| 20:13.33 | Fisker | :( |
| 20:13.34 | Fisker | mean |
| 20:15.16 | Naptime | I thought UnitFullName was only garaunteed to work on "player"? |
| 20:15.45 | foxlit | "work". |
| 20:15.59 | foxlit | I'm suggesting you call it on "player" :) |
| 20:16.37 | Naptime | I'm really looking to query the full name on "target" :( |
| 20:17.47 | foxlit | I'm inconvinient, not obtuse :) |
| 20:18.09 | Naptime | :-P |
| 20:18.32 | foxlit | What do you get when you call UnitName on "target", and why doesn't that work for what you want? |
| 20:20.10 | Naptime | I have my "target" and I want to set the officer note of said target. Right now that has me checking to see if my target's name is in my guild list, which only lists full names. then using their index to set their officer note |
| 20:21.28 | foxlit | Okay, so if you were to call UnitName("target"), it'd return… |
| 20:22.07 | Naptime | "RandomToonName" |
| 20:22.33 | Naptime | but going through the guild roster i get "RandomToonName-RealmName" |
| 20:23.32 | foxlit | http://wowpedia.org/API_UnitName may help; UnitName actually returns two values. |
| 20:23.59 | Naptime | the second is "" on same server |
| 20:24.13 | Naptime | assuming you pass true as the second parameter |
| 20:24.53 | Naptime | i think i just need to find a different way of handling the problem altogether |
| 20:25.41 | foxlit | Naptime: assuming you pass true as the second parameter << UnitName only takes one parameter. |
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| 20:26.16 | Naptime | true was thinking GetUnitName |
| 20:27.12 | foxlit | So supposing your target isn't from your own server, you could easily get the full name by concatenating the returns from UnitName and a "-" separator. |
| 20:27.41 | Naptime | i'll check and see if that gives me a more valid realm name than GetUnitName does |
| 20:27.42 | foxlit | On the other hand, if your target isn't from your own server, UnitName doesn't give you an abbreviated version of your own realm to append to the name. |
| 20:28.55 | Naptime | same server it gives me nil for the second return value |
| 20:29.20 | foxlit | If only there was some API function that'd return a correctly abbreviated version of your own realm; say, when called on "player". |
| 20:29.31 | Neffi | yes, I suggested that above and the problem was abbreviation |
| 20:30.47 | foxlit | *cough*UnitFullName*cough* |
| 20:32.37 | Naptime | LOL, UnitFullName "works" better on "target" than on "player" |
| 20:32.59 | Naptime | but in either case "works" requires heavy quotation |
| 20:34.19 | Naptime | also return values change when under the effect of Lifegiving Seed? |
| 20:34.39 | kd3 | you turn in to a plant with a different name |
| 20:34.41 | Naptime | so even UnitName isn't valid? |
| 20:34.44 | kd3 | you're not generally using that item in raids |
| 20:35.07 | kd3 | UnitName is valid, but your name is different while that buff's active |
| 20:35.20 | Naptime | definitely need to come up with a different solution to this problem altogether, back to drawing board |
| 20:35.46 | Naptime | lol use costumes all over the place in raids during downtime :-) |
| 20:35.54 | Naptime | it's about the only time i use them |
| 20:35.58 | kd3 | s/in raids/in combat/ |
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| 20:37.45 | foxlit | Oh honestly, http://pastey.org/view/2ee2b7fb |
| 20:37.47 | Naptime | thanks Neffi and foxlit for trying, with X-Realm being so prominent now it's kind of odd that naming hasn't moved completely over to the full name format |
| 20:39.03 | foxlit | fwiw, UnitFullName should actually what do what you want, but it doesn't because the UI team lives under a rock. |
| 20:39.15 | foxlit | s/what/be what/ |
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| 20:56.59 | karl_w_w | i didn't know there was a micro machines v4! |
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| 21:03.02 | Gethe | is there any way to modify an un-named texture in Lua if it was defined in XML? |
| 21:05.14 | Iriel | If you can reach it, yes |
| 21:05.38 | Iriel | i.e. find the frame which owns it and then go through the regions |
| 21:06.34 | Gethe | ah, ill try that then |
| 21:09.15 | jleclanche | are there linodes/DO droplets with high density low speed storage? |
| 21:09.27 | jleclanche | https://www.linode.com/pricing only gives low-storage SSDs |
| 21:09.34 | fewyn | I <3 linode |
| 21:09.48 | jleclanche | id prefer 200+gb of low quality storage |
| 21:09.50 | fewyn | i don't think so jleclanche |
| 21:10.07 | fewyn | if you just want storage |
| 21:10.12 | fewyn | i suggest azure or aws |
| 21:10.32 | fewyn | i spent like 60 cents last month on 30gb of images in azure |
| 21:10.52 | jleclanche | i really dont like working with AWS |
| 21:10.55 | jleclanche | its 100% apis |
| 21:13.22 | Iriel | What about google? |
| 21:13.25 | jleclanche | same |
| 21:15.53 | Amarande | I'm actually surprised azure is as handy as it is for that many people |
| 21:16.06 | Iriel | They have persistent disk for use with compute engine |
| 21:16.10 | Iriel | (Google, that is) |
| 21:16.10 | Amarande | I would have thought it would be rather limited, in order, natch, to make sure people have to use Windows machines only to access storage there |
| 21:16.48 | Amarande | speaking of windows, time to reinstall it in a bit |
| 21:17.02 | Amarande | it's good to know linux is there and works as well as it does, but apparently it's *still* not quite good enough for modern desktops. :S |
| 21:17.14 | Amarande | well, that or my sound chip died |
| 21:17.19 | Amarande | I'll find out which when I reinstall windows, I suppose heh |
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| 21:29.37 | Primer | Amarande: I've been using Linux as a desktop since 1996. Works fine for me. |
| 21:32.28 | Arrowmaster | i switched in 09 i think to fulltime linux with no windows machines at home for myself |
| 21:37.17 | Iriel | I switched in the early 90’s but then switched to OSX in the early 2000's |
| 21:37.30 | Iriel | But I have a windows machine for games |
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| 21:59.24 | Amarande | hrm, from asus' site |
| 21:59.27 | Amarande | "Warranty invalid if damage/dysfunction caused by improper handling/usage, destruction;" |
| 21:59.39 | Amarande | hopefully linux isn't considered "improper usage" |
| 21:59.54 | Amarande | Iriel: yeah, I keep trying to entertain the idea of using linux for my gaming machine |
| 21:59.56 | Amarande | it never ends well, heh |
| 22:00.32 | Amarande | it generally works really nicely on everything *but* my current-gen gaming box, but fails like Bart Simpson's grades on said box LOL |
| 22:00.52 | Simca_ | multiple partitions isn't an option? |
| 22:00.55 | Amarande | here, I could not get wine working (I'm never quite sure why I always have trouble with it) |
| 22:01.05 | Amarande | simca: not really worth dual booting, there are only one or two things I do in linux |
| 22:01.08 | karl_w_w | whatever happened to videogames which had really long main storylines? do they still exist but I'm just not playing them? |
| 22:01.11 | Amarande | I'll be virtualboxing it up when I get windows set up again |
| 22:01.33 | Simca_ | karl_w_w: they're fairly rare, but they exist |
| 22:01.36 | Neffi | karl_w_w: I dont think they really exist anymore |
| 22:01.38 | Amarande | karl_w_w: there seem to only be a few of them, and they're usually hugely anticipated when they do come out |
| 22:01.45 | Amarande | (e.g., bioware rpgs, final fantasy titles, &c) |
| 22:01.48 | Neffi | Skyrim is the longest game I've played in a while |
| 22:01.59 | Amarande | I'm not sure how long Dragon Age 3 is slated to be |
| 22:02.10 | Amarande | DA:O had a nice length |
| 22:02.38 | Simca_ | not a new or recent title, but I played The Longest Journey for the first time recently (90s adventure game) and loved it |
| 22:03.16 | Amarande | actually, those games are much more recent than it seems like |
| 22:03.20 | Amarande | though that might have to do with technology |
| 22:03.34 | Amarande | e.g., the old Gold Box games actually have quite a lot of content in terms of places to visit and battles to fight |
| 22:03.57 | Amarande | but because they're such lightweight DOS applications, you can finish them very quickly compared to modern 3D games with lots of loading and slower (in real time terms) movement |
| 22:04.14 | Amarande | like, you could cross an entire town in gold box in a few seconds, because it was a grid map and low graphics, that's just how it rolled |
| 22:04.31 | Amarande | it takes several minutes to cross a similarly large area in most modern 3D engine games, otoh |
| 22:04.34 | Neffi | I can cross Goldshire in a few seconds |
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| 22:05.13 | karl_w_w | i remember when game length was one of the main review points along with like graphics, originality, replayability, music |
| 22:05.20 | kd3|hate`net | crap |
| 22:05.29 | Amarande | Neffi: like for instance, consider your average RPG town square with well in the middle |
| 22:05.37 | Amarande | Neffi: you probably know about the size this is in your typical game |
| 22:05.50 | Amarande | in a Gold Box game, that'd be a 2x2 or 3x3 square area that you can cross in one or two moves, which are virtually instant |
| 22:06.17 | Amarande | so yeah, I have to wonder if many games only seem longer than they are because the engine design causes you to need to take more real time to cross the same effective space |
| 22:09.42 | karl_w_w | that was back when reviews were concerned about quality and value, unlike today's reviews which are just hype-builders (paid-off or otherwise) |
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| 23:21.54 | kd3 | YES! |
| 23:22.59 | Neffi | what's so exciting? |
| 23:23.17 | kd3 | we just got the equalizer against portugal |
| 23:26.09 | Shirik | http://wp-ag.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/sites/9/2014/06/WorldCupMeme.jpg |
| 23:27.28 | nevcairiel | It's called football |
| 23:29.53 | Dyno | It's soccer :o |
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| 23:53.59 | Shirik | sooooooooooooooo |
| 23:54.05 | Shirik | 4 different IRC channels just exploded |
| 23:54.12 | Shirik | I'm going to assume US did something stupid |
| 23:55.40 | nevcairiel | Portugal got one last goal in like the very last minute of the fame |
| 23:55.43 | nevcairiel | Game* |
| 23:55.58 | nevcairiel | So no win for the US |
| 23:58.58 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster: I just foud out about the hidden card in the bigger blacker box >.< |
