| 00:08.47 | kullervo | that's cool as hell |
| 00:09.44 | kullervo | now make one for a Klein bottle and fill it with your favourite "get wrecked" drink |
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| 00:34.57 | Amarande | ahh, Klein bottles |
| 00:35.03 | Amarande | "why can't I move this bag into this bag? oh." |
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| 00:48.11 | Dagmar | because they're all bags of holding |
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| 00:56.51 | Amarande | Dagmar: that would be scary |
| 00:57.09 | Amarande | oops, you put a bag in a spot that's not one of your original sixteen Backpack slots? Bye bag and other bag and the other contents! :) |
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| 01:53.19 | Dagmar | The two bags of holding interact violently, tearing a large hole in spacetime. A gaping rent appears in the air, sucking everything with thirty yards--including the party--into it immediately. |
| 01:53.41 | Dagmar | Please roll 45 or greater with 3d6 to avoid instant suffocation. |
| 01:54.08 | Amarande | Dagmar: yeah, you might accidentally get dragged into the dimension of other socks |
| 01:54.16 | Amarande | :) |
| 01:54.21 | Dagmar | heh |
| 01:56.30 | Shirik | are we playing DnD? |
| 01:59.44 | Dagmar | That depends on whether or not you have a robe and wizard hat nearby. |
| 01:59.49 | Dagmar | *wink* |
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| 02:14.04 | Syllios | Was wondering if you guys can figure out why this little pice of code can't find my image file: http://pastebin.com/hq2i8cgW |
| 02:15.20 | Syllios | I tested it on another add-on, similar code and it worked, but not this one |
| 02:16.39 | Neffi | ensure that the frame is showing up where it's supposed to (eg anchor a transparent solid green block to it). ensure that texturePath is valid |
| 02:17.52 | Syllios | the frame is where it's supposed to be and texturePath is given on the debug as the value I passed in (the path) |
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| 02:43.00 | Syllios | the client still supports Targa correct? |
| 02:44.12 | Neffi | yes. are the dimensions powers of 2 no greater than 1024? is it formatted correctly? |
| 02:44.51 | Syllios | yeah i got little 64x64 Targas |
| 02:45.19 | Syllios | Tried adding the extension but it still doesn't take it |
| 02:46.27 | Syllios | using os x but that shouldn't matter, it's worked with other add ons before |
| 02:47.05 | Syllios | Only concern I originally had with that was the path |
| 02:47.51 | Amarande | heh. that always makes me shake my head a bit |
| 02:48.11 | Amarande | Targa is pretty much an entirely dead image format ... about the only things it's even still good for anymore are Neverwinter Nights and WoW |
| 02:48.27 | Amarande | surprised Blizzard hasn't moved on, although I suppose dropping legacy support for targa would probably break too much now |
| 02:48.37 | Syllios | haha yeah, it's pretty annoying having to convert my pngs |
| 02:49.12 | Amarande | wonder what the draw of the format was |
| 02:49.28 | Amarande | even in 2004 when WoW first came out, pretty sure the only other major thing that really used targa anymore was NWN |
| 02:49.55 | Gethe | Blizz has png support internaly |
| 02:49.59 | Syllios | Hope they rewrite it and add support for pngs -_- |
| 02:50.02 | Syllios | ahh lol |
| 02:50.53 | Syllios | It'd be nice if they added the animated png format, but that's probably never gonna happen. Knowing how slow the game evolves |
| 02:51.06 | Amarande | I didn't even know there WAS an animated png format |
| 02:51.16 | Amarande | far as I've seen, everyone still uses GIFs for animations on forums, so it must be ultra new |
| 02:51.19 | Syllios | haha yeah it's pretty new |
| 02:51.31 | Syllios | well not really, like ~4 years i think, idk i don't recall |
| 03:02.42 | airtonix | nevcairiel: the disco will rule once again! |
| 03:03.10 | airtonix | i live in the red |
| 03:03.12 | Mr_Rabies | you can install browser plugins for apng support but eh |
| 03:03.23 | Mr_Rabies | nothing really supports it yet |
| 03:03.47 | Syllios | Yeah, adoption rate sucks |
| 03:04.17 | airtonix | jleclanche: winetricks needs to have a standard place it looks for custom winetricks verbs |
| 03:04.21 | Kesava | just save a gif as .png |
| 03:04.24 | Kesava | done |
| 03:04.54 | airtonix | like ~/.local/share/winetricks/verbs/<verbname>/(main|index).verb |
| 03:05.11 | Mr_Rabies | webm is replacing gif more or less for most cases, so apng is kinda unnecessary |
| 03:07.48 | Syllios | as long as its got alpha I'm good |
| 03:10.33 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: forums? |
| 03:10.45 | Mr_Rabies | forums? |
| 03:13.13 | Amarande | forums normally let you post images, but tend to limit your access to post code objects |
| 03:13.30 | Amarande | doesn't posting a webm animation require actual code, not just a [img]foo.webm[/img] or whatever? |
| 03:13.56 | Mr_Rabies | no clue, probably depends on the software |
| 03:14.49 | Syllios | just putting it out there, hadn't heard of webm :/ news to me |
| 03:16.29 | Syllios | Does the client recognize unix/linux like paths? or do they have to be windows style? |
| 03:41.20 | Syllios | Does this function have any quirks I should be aware about? SetPortraitToTexture(...) |
| 03:41.34 | Syllios | Apparently it's what's causing the issue |
| 03:42.01 | jleclanche | airtonix: suggest it on their tracker |
| 03:42.06 | jleclanche | winetricks is a horrible POS anyway |
| 03:42.17 | jleclanche | it was a hack when it was made |
| 03:42.29 | jleclanche | it just happens to be a useful hack :p |
| 03:42.56 | Syllios | Is that a response to my question or is that directed to someone else? |
| 03:46.04 | jleclanche | Syllios: it was directed at airtonix |
| 03:46.51 | Syllios | Oh, alrighty |
| 03:48.05 | airtonix | Syllios: this channels exists to serve me. |
| 03:48.11 | Amarande | jleclanche: well you know what they say about laziness and programming :) |
| 03:48.39 | Thunder_Child | Also note that airtonix is rather delusional |
| 03:50.04 | Syllios | mmmm the art of controlled laziness |
| 03:50.25 | airtonix | jleclanche: how would you do it? |
| 03:50.35 | jleclanche | I wouldn't, cause I wouldn't give two shits |
| 03:52.09 | airtonix | oh you like to setup wine prefixes manually |
| 03:52.18 | airtonix | or don't you use prefixes? |
| 03:56.16 | jleclanche | I use a couple of prefixes |
| 04:08.26 | airtonix | a couple? |
| 04:08.38 | airtonix | i get the feeling you're not as neat as i thought |
| 04:10.29 | Stanzilla | don't diss da jerome |
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| 04:47.43 | Amarande | I feel bad for some of these marketing folks at gaming companies sometimes |
| 04:47.57 | Amarande | especially the ones that have to re-describe stuff that probably 95% of potential customers already know, heh |
| 04:49.00 | Amarande | like ... blurbs on how authenticators work |
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| 08:16.51 | Neffi | https://i.imgur.com/4CHYxkZ.gif |
| 08:27.14 | airtonix | tell us how you really feel Neffi |
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| 08:31.36 | Neffi | tired and... tired |
| 08:43.51 | Semlar | aw it's so cuddly |
| 08:44.33 | Semlar | mauls neffi |
| 08:45.35 | Neffi | No I'm the one who mauls /bearform |
| 08:47.17 | Semlar | soothes neffi |
| 08:48.35 | Neffi | :( |
| 08:48.53 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:05.26 | karl_w_w | Neffi: that's no christian |
| 09:06.25 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4enNZqNrwYc |
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| 18:22.21 | Syllios | huh, entered the captcha wrong and still let me through, interesting |
| 18:22.51 | Syllios | Is there a way to clip frames? Into a circle? Not textures but frames |
| 18:22.57 | Syllios | I can't seem to find anything on it |
| 18:24.05 | nevcairiel | you cannot |
| 18:25.31 | Syllios | ughhh |
| 18:25.45 | Syllios | So we can't set a custom alpha channel on them? |
| 18:25.53 | Syllios | or alpha map |
| 18:26.34 | Maldivia | and doing it on the visual components (ie textures) of the frame isn't good enough for you? |
| 18:26.53 | nevcairiel | frames are not visible at all |
| 18:27.02 | nevcairiel | they have textures, which are visible |
| 18:27.07 | nevcairiel | and you can apply that to textures |
| 18:27.28 | Syllios | I'm trying to make a circular cooldown frame, but the cooldown animation a translucent dark square. Trying to clip that :/ |
| 18:27.29 | foxlit | wow lacks several proper compositing features that make some things annoying. |
| 18:27.32 | Simca | there are a whole slew of settings for alphas |
| 18:27.52 | Syllios | trying to clip the corners, make it a circle |
| 18:28.32 | Syllios | I don't wanna have to make a freaking sprite sheet for that |
| 18:28.45 | foxlit | then make a freaking model for that. |
| 18:29.05 | Syllios | what do you mean? |
| 18:29.26 | foxlit | I mean that the cooldown spinner itself is some model somewhere. You could create a circular version of that. |
| 18:30.21 | Syllios | I'm not following :/ where's "somewhere" and by model do you mean I build my own? |
| 18:30.23 | nevcairiel | you can clip the default cooldown spinner to round |
| 18:30.32 | Syllios | how can i do that? |
| 18:30.36 | nevcairiel | dunno |
| 18:30.40 | nevcairiel | i just know that some addons do |
| 18:30.53 | Maldivia | hmm, would a round texture and the ALPHAKEY blend it work? |
| 18:31.01 | Syllios | yeah I'd like that, I REALLY don't wanna make a sprite |
| 18:31.24 | Syllios | Oh you mean set it on the cd frame? |
| 18:31.29 | Syllios | let me check |
| 18:31.40 | nevcairiel | checkout Masque, it has round skins for action buttons, which show a proper cut cooldown timer |
| 18:31.53 | nevcairiel | the code of it is a bit ugly, but maybe you can find it |
| 18:31.58 | foxlit | meeeeeh. |
| 18:32.07 | Syllios | do we still have to close the client when adding assets/resources? |
| 18:32.14 | foxlit | It’s probably going to be a smaller square icon/cooldown overlaid by a larger “circular” texture |
| 18:32.14 | Syllios | or does it pick them up? |
| 18:32.39 | Syllios | i'll check that too |
| 18:33.08 | Kesava | http://wowpedia.org/SetTexCoord_Transformations |
| 18:33.10 | Kesava | glhf |
| 18:33.21 | Cide | Kesava: not applicable to models |
| 18:33.21 | Simca | Syllios: you absolutely have to close the client |
| 18:33.23 | Simca | completely |
| 18:33.56 | Cide | also, pretty sure you can't transform a square to a circle with a transform :P |
| 18:33.59 | Amarande | yeah, I think the only time you might be able to get away with simply reloading UI is when files are only changed, not added |
| 18:34.04 | Amarande | which I always think is a little bit lame |
| 18:34.17 | Amarande | console reloadui should reload the whole shebang, not just part |
| 18:34.35 | Cide | when I played wow you had to restart to pick up new files |
| 18:34.38 | Cide | unless that has changed |
| 18:34.47 | Simca | TOCs are read into memory before the login screen even comes up |
| 18:34.52 | Simca | and they're never read again |
| 18:34.55 | foxlit | when someone wakes up, they’ll suggest you macguyver two scroll frames and a semicircle texture. |
| 18:34.59 | Amarande | Cide: from what I heard, updates to existing files will load on reloadui but not any new files |
| 18:35.13 | Cide | Amarande: yes |
| 18:35.30 | Amarande | which is kind of silly, I don't really see any reason not to load all files anew |
| 18:35.36 | Amarande | unless that would enable some kind of exploit |
| 18:35.38 | Cide | speed |
| 18:35.49 | Amarande | the problem with being a legitimate player in games ... you just get pissed off when things are limited and nerfed |
| 18:35.57 | Syllios | the new filesystem should take care of the speed issue now then |
| 18:36.13 | Amarande | because unless it's really obvious, you don't really think like a cheater, so potential exploits don't really occur to you, just the effect of having them quashed |
| 18:36.14 | Kesava | their new system has nothing to do with addons |
| 18:36.15 | nevcairiel | the new filesystem has what to do with addons and addon files? :p |
| 18:36.16 | Cide | reading from disk is always slow |
| 18:36.17 | Seerah | it also may be part of their closed sandbox system |
| 18:36.47 | Amarande | like, say, people who still run all the raids but don't do pvp, for instance! |
| 18:36.50 | foxlit | Seerah: whatever do you mean? |
| 18:36.51 | Seerah | ESO does not have this restriction, however. You can install addons and create new files while the game is running |
| 18:37.11 | Syllios | We'll they state the casc file system will decrease resource fetching speed, meaning they'd be more lenient on some thins like reloading add-on assets. |
| 18:37.20 | Amarande | (with the 5.4.8 change, since then if you do that, you're going to feel the bite of the limitations on boss addons' ability to help you on amber shaper, but you're not going to know or care that the same features were used to ruin pvp) |
| 18:37.24 | Maldivia | Syllios: has nothing to do with addon-files though |
| 18:37.46 | Syllios | like i said, if it happens it'll be a side effect |
| 18:37.58 | Amarande | Seerah: sounds a little bit like WoW during vanilla? or did the restart requirement used to be the case even then too? |
| 18:38.15 | Amarande | I do recall reading that there were very little if any restrictions on addons before BC, though |
| 18:38.16 | Seerah | @syllios: but the addon files are stored on your computer |
| 18:38.26 | Maldivia | restarts has always been requires when adding new files |
| 18:38.37 | Seerah | Amarande: I honestly don't recall. But I think you needed a restart then, too. |
| 18:38.57 | Amarande | also: is blizzard indeed slanted towards preserving pvp when the needs of pvp and pve conflict (such as alleged with 5.4.8's cvar change, e.g. with amber shaper vs. pvp exploits)? |
| 18:39.05 | Amarande | or is that a wrong thought? |
| 18:39.38 | Amarande | (I do get the feeling that PvE is considered second string in gaming in general nowadays though ... especially with the whole friggin eSport stuff going on which of course is solely PvP heh) |
| 18:40.02 | Simca | amber shaper is 100% irrelevant |
| 18:40.10 | Simca | so that's a pretty horrid argument |
| 18:40.15 | Maldivia | Amarande: before TBC, you had addons which basically could play the game for you, select target, cast the right spell etc, they put an end to that |
| 18:40.27 | Amarande | Simca: yeah, I wonder what would have been done if an SoO raid boss was affected, instead |
| 18:40.38 | Syllios | Seerah: I realize that but the new file system, as far as I'm concerned, is client-side. Someone mentioned it was due to speed that they didn't want to reload files when reloading. Then in the notes of the new fs, they mentioned it'll provide a speed boost to fs related tasks, potentially decreasing time and giving faster speeds for fs related things, leave time for them to add add-on file reloading/updating. |
| 18:41.22 | Simca | they reload all files when reloading already, they just don't check the TOCs for new entries |
| 18:41.24 | Kesava | Syllios: only MPQ in /data will be changed to casc, not addons, though. |
| 18:41.28 | Amarande | possibly the same though, especially this far down the line. after all, end of expansion ennui is pretty strictly a PvE matter :) |
| 18:41.36 | Syllios | I KNOW geez -_- |
| 18:41.49 | Syllios | They complain that Mo'PaQ is slow as hell |
| 18:41.52 | Amarande | so at this point it makes even more sense to focus on the integrity of PvP when determining protection of functions and variables |
| 18:41.54 | Maldivia | Syllios: the thing is, that wow basically makes a snapshot of the filesystem when it starts, that's why adding new resources on the run are not picked up, because wow doesn't know they exist, and theye don't want to rescan everything |
| 18:42.07 | Syllios | That's my point |
| 18:42.21 | Simca | That's the same way CASC works |
| 18:42.26 | Maldivia | changing from MPQ to CASC doesn't change that |
| 18:42.31 | Simca | they haven't changed that WoW uses a virtual filesystem entirely in WoD |
| 18:42.33 | Syllios | That's lame as hell, really... |
| 18:42.55 | Amarande | Yeah, I'm still not sure why they use archive files like that instead of just using individual data files |
| 18:42.57 | Syllios | I though they'd redesigned the entire concept |
| 18:43.00 | Maldivia | using casc just makes finding and reading packed-resources faster |
| 18:43.04 | Amarande | Especially nowadays in the day and age of SSD |
| 18:43.23 | Simca | because compression, Amanrande |
| 18:43.26 | Amarande | (where having single large files is certainly going to mean increased write wear for drives vs. if the contained files were separate) |
| 18:43.32 | Syllios | Someone ought to make a fs which acts like git, to pick up changes fast |
| 18:43.34 | Maldivia | Amarande: because they have 200000 files, and a lot of them are small, so take a a lot of space |
| 18:43.40 | Simca | WoW extracted is 100GB or so |
| 18:43.54 | Simca | most of the textures are compressed to 20% of real size or less |
| 18:44.53 | Syllios | ANYWAY, I'll go try your suggestions now |
| 18:45.52 | Cide | also from what I have read the write issue with modern SSD's is mostly theoretical |
| 18:47.35 | Amarande | Cide: yeah, unless you write gigs and gigs at a time |
| 18:47.41 | Amarande | which is why I was wondering about MMOs in particular |
| 18:47.42 | Cide | Amarande: http://techreport.com/review/26058/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-data-retention-after-600tb |
| 18:47.47 | Cide | 600TB |
| 18:48.00 | Amarande | because if you're using large archive files, like MPQ or Guild Wars's GW.dat or whatever |
| 18:48.14 | Cide | only one model has had issues |
| 18:48.15 | Amarande | small updates, it would seem, could possibly force the whole several gigs to have to be rewritten |
| 18:48.23 | Cide | this is constant writing for months on end |
| 18:48.28 | Amarande | whereas if you're using separate files, *only those files* need to be rewritten |
| 18:48.35 | Maldivia | Amarande: well, CASC is append-only, so problem solved there :) |
| 18:48.37 | Simca | SSD writing liability stuff is pure nonsense |
| 18:48.38 | Cide | pretty sure what you are describing is no longer accurate |
| 18:48.58 | Simca | literally solved years ago |
| 18:49.09 | Amarande | Maldivia: heh, that's going to be fun for people joining late in expansion cycles, though |
| 18:49.19 | Amarande | append-only means no way to throw away superseded data at all |
| 18:49.36 | Amarande | which means you're stuck downloading a load of useless extra data in the whole glob if you join in anytime but the beginning |
| 18:49.38 | Maldivia | Amarande: the installer/patcher is smart though, doesn't download old versions |
| 18:49.45 | Amarande | ahh |
| 18:49.54 | Amarande | I would have thought everyone would have to have the *exact same files* |
| 18:49.57 | Amarande | because checksums, and such |
| 18:50.03 | Maldivia | everyone have individual files :P |
| 18:50.05 | Maldivia | unlike MPQ |
| 18:50.13 | Syllios | "smart" xD |
| 18:50.17 | Simca | everyone's installation will be different |
| 18:50.21 | Amarande | and I can't imagine Blizzard wanting to do away with things like checksums, next thing you have bright texture cheats for wow :P |
| 18:50.35 | Maldivia | CASC is checksummed into the next millenium! |
| 18:51.09 | Simca | at least in heroes, CASC md5s the md5s of the files and even checks that |
| 18:51.50 | Syllios | Why why does it have to be like that? The fs? Seems like a bad idea |
| 18:51.53 | Maldivia | Simca: yeah... and MD5s the MD5s of the MD5s :) |
| 18:51.56 | Cide | given that it's trivial to perform a length extension attack on md5 |
| 18:52.00 | Cide | how useful is that really? |
| 18:52.13 | Simca | these are file archives that are public |
| 18:52.18 | Simca | there is no point in an attack |
| 18:52.23 | Cide | sure it is |
| 18:52.30 | Cide | if your purpose is to make sure the data wasn't tampered with |
| 18:52.35 | Cide | md5 is a horrible choice |
| 18:52.49 | Simca | no, the purpose is to make sure there wasn't download corruption |
| 18:52.54 | Cide | yes |
| 18:52.56 | Simca | they don't care about file modification |
| 18:53.09 | Cide | so why are we discussing the checksums preventing cheating |
| 18:53.19 | Simca | the chances of a hash collision with download corruption are infinitely small |
| 18:53.56 | Syllios | theoretically.... it could happen... |
| 18:54.07 | Simca | yeah |
| 18:54.12 | Cide | Syllios: it never will |
| 18:54.16 | Simca | and lightning could strike you while you win the lottery |
| 18:54.21 | Maldivia | and theoretically, I could be the next King of Denmark |
| 18:54.22 | Syllios | I'm just playing devil's advocate xD |
| 18:54.30 | foxlit | oh please. |
| 18:54.38 | foxlit | the root issue here is that some of those words sound kind of clever |
| 18:55.45 | foxlit | “checksum” “length extension attack” “hash collision” “theoretically” “virtual filesystems” etc. |
| 18:55.48 | Syllios | But yeah, there's a higher chance you'll get killed by a failed satellite than that I guess... especially lately |
| 18:56.08 | foxlit | oops, I forgot “probability of satellites falling on your head" |
| 18:56.14 | Maldivia | in the case of CASC, every file is split in to block, each block has a checksum, the overall file has a checksum, plus checksum of the metadata/index as well, changing the data so all the checksums still match is non-trivial |
| 18:56.18 | Syllios | what are you ranting about? |
| 18:56.51 | Simca | it's still not relevant - CASC wasn't built to prevent file tampering and anyone who tells you it was is lying |
| 18:57.23 | Simca | if they wanted to prevent file tampering there are better ways, but they don't. they've never given two actual shits about file tampering |
| 18:57.41 | foxlit | Syllios: the amount of words expended on conveying nothing of value. |
| 18:58.06 | Syllios | Nothing of value would be no words |
| 18:58.13 | Maldivia | casc is there to speed up resource loading, and downloading/patching |
| 19:17.05 | Amarande | Maldivia, you don't want to be in line to be King of Denmark ... that didn't work out so well for Hamlet, did it? |
| 19:17.58 | Maldivia | Amarande: well, thinking about it, I actually can't be the King... at best consort |
| 19:18.28 | Amarande | well, actually, did Hamlet turn out well for *anyone* in Hamlet, come to think of it |
| 19:18.55 | Amarande | it's probably one of the darkest of the tragedies :) at least, say, Richard III and Macbeth turned out okay for the folks who survived the war |
| 19:19.39 | Maldivia | I guess it went kind of ok for fortinbra? |
| 19:21.53 | Amarande | hm, I don't even remember who that character was, must have been a bit part |
| 19:22.53 | Amarande | mind you, Macbeth is kind of a total bastardisation anyway |
| 19:23.07 | Amarande | in real life, Macbeth was a rather respected king, while Duncan I was kind of what we like to call an epic failure of a leader |
| 19:23.24 | Maldivia | Amarande: the prince of norway who is declared the heir in the end |
| 19:24.21 | Amarande | ah. |
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| 19:50.41 | ccox | Just in case you haven't seen this yet: http://vimeo.com/95850715 |
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| 20:36.54 | Shirik | pretty sweet ccox, but they are not forgiven for not being in hood river |
| 20:46.37 | Cide | Shirik: more like thug river |
| 20:48.54 | Shirik | cide |
| 20:49.02 | Shirik | you wish your silly country looked as good as |
| 20:49.04 | Cide | shirik |
| 20:49.22 | Shirik | https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152470881622437&set=ms.10152470881607437.10152470881627437.10152470881622437.bps.a.10152470881402437&type=1&theater |
| 20:50.42 | Cide | psh |
| 20:51.53 | Shirik | or http://darkroommaster.deviantart.com/art/Scattered-Skies-134325623 |
| 20:52.34 | Shirik | wow that picture is terrible |
| 20:52.39 | Shirik | why did I post that |
| 20:52.44 | Cide | yes |
| 20:52.45 | Cide | why did you |
| 20:53.28 | Shirik | why are you not playing lol yet? |
| 20:53.45 | Cide | I play a better game called dota 2 |
| 20:53.51 | Shirik | lol has poros |
| 20:53.55 | Shirik | lol is automatically better |
| 20:54.05 | Cide | poros? |
| 20:54.42 | Shirik | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3itn3mMeIk |
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| 20:55.38 | Cide | Shirik: dota 2 has this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cytOSXtLC-M |
| 20:55.43 | Cide | dota 2 is automatically better |
| 20:55.59 | Shirik | dota does have puck |
| 20:56.05 | Shirik | that's one thing going for it |
| 20:56.12 | Cide | and storm spirit |
| 20:56.19 | Shirik | and storm spirit |
| 20:56.30 | Cide | and pudge wars |
| 20:56.32 | Shirik | storm spirit is like my favorite character in lol but without charge limits |
| 20:59.00 | Cide | so dota 2 is better |
| 20:59.47 | Cide | the only thing lol has going for it is that you have friends playing it in your TZ |
| 21:00.10 | Cide | which is the same reason people use facebook |
| 21:00.25 | Cide | but that doesn't make it good! |
| 21:02.58 | karl_w_w | Shirik, silly |
| 21:03.11 | karl_w_w | dont post pictures of stonehenge |
| 21:03.16 | Shirik | it's kinda true cide :( |
| 21:03.19 | karl_w_w | post the vicar of dibley intro |
| 21:03.19 | Shirik | I don't have any DOTA 2 players |
| 21:04.02 | Cide | yeah |
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| 21:08.41 | karl_w_w | ~ping |
| 21:08.42 | purl | ~pong |
| 21:56.04 | kd3 | ah, nothing like the start of an American summer... Hot BBQ and cold beer next to a pool |
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| 22:20.22 | Neffi | kd3: can i haz? |
| 22:22.14 | A-KO | Quebec is amazing |
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| 22:49.24 | Diesal | Is there an event in the existing WoW Event API that lets you know when WoWs Window has lost or gained focus? |
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| 22:50.41 | Neffi | Diesal: afaik no |
| 22:51.00 | Diesal | thanks neffi , guess ill be making my own then |
| 22:51.03 | Neffi | There's a really bad way of guessing, but it's intrusive |
| 22:51.21 | Neffi | Set the cvars maxfps and maxfpsbk, and compare the results against GetFramerate() |
| 22:51.30 | Neffi | but if an addon set those cvars I'm my behalf I'd uninstall it |
| 22:52.24 | Diesal | i can get it no problems, it wouldve been easier if i could use an event listener instead |
| 22:53.09 | Neffi | Are you getting it any other way? I'm curious if there's a non-intrusive solution to that |
| 22:54.30 | Diesal | its an "other" way and ill kindly leave it that |
| 22:54.50 | Diesal | the likes of which this channel frowns upon |
| 22:56.37 | Neffi | For a good reason.. but it's not my job to tell you to adhere to the rules |
| 22:57.16 | Diesal | ofcourse |
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| 23:06.52 | Thunder_Child | Well an overlay could tell, and those are legal. |
| 23:12.58 | Amarande | An overlay can't communicate it to WoW, though |
| 23:13.16 | Amarande | I'm sure some things like the nVidia Shadowplay stuff probably have to know, too |
| 23:13.37 | Amarande | and on the point of overlays we should just be glad warden isn't more paranoid, come to think of it ... |
| 23:14.00 | Amarande | I've seen some games sold on Steam (like, anything with punkbuster basically) where the STEAM OVERLAY ITSELF trips cheat detection and causes the game to kick you, heh |
| 23:16.05 | Ressy | Uh, warden does have fits with some overlays. |
| 23:16.06 | Ressy | all the time. |
| 23:19.15 | Amarande | Ressy: at least Blizzard probably considers that a bug and tries to fix it, I would imagine :) |
| 23:19.42 | Ressy | no |
| 23:20.05 | Ressy | usual fix is to tell people to update whatever software they're using for the overlay. |
| 23:20.11 | Ressy | as it'll have a fix. |
| 23:20.15 | Amarande | Evil, er, I mean Even Balance basically treats any legitimate software that interferes with Punkbuster's paranoia as "eff you, learn to stay out of the way of the eCops when designing legit software, TOO BAD" and only has lame user suggestions like "you should close all your other programs while gaming" |
| 23:20.46 | Amarande | sounds like at least Blizzard is more *friendly* about it, anyway. |
| 23:21.05 | Amarande | Evil Balance couldn't care less if innocents get banned, heh |
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| 23:25.36 | Amarande | Mind you, you guys have an advantage over Even Balance, which is that like Valve you develop the anti-cheat system in house :) |
| 23:26.04 | Amarande | That, I think, produces a much healthier situation in terms of designing things to fight cheating while not fighting customers :) |
| 23:27.08 | Amarande | Of course Punkbuster is worse, it's because unlike Warden and VAC, the customers aren't the actual players ... the customers are the companies like EA and Ubisoft that licence out the anti-cheat module |
| 23:28.03 | Amarande | which produces that kind of lovely situation like you see at conventions sometimes where security folks act like jackbooted fascists because the convention goers *aren't their customers* ... it's the hotel and convention organisers they're responsible to, keeping the goers happy is secondary :P |
| 23:28.38 | g0urra | SHUT THE FUCK UP |
| 23:28.57 | Torhal | ^ |
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| 23:29.31 | Torhal | Having thoughts does not necessitate their expression. |
| 23:44.19 | Gnarfoz | was the signal/noise ratio bad? :D |
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| 23:50.13 | Torhal | Gnarfoz: Per usual. |
| 23:50.18 | Gnarfoz | hehe |
| 23:52.32 | Amarande | heh, if you actually want to go by signal/noise ratio on IRC, then actually the "worse" the ratio, the better, really |
| 23:52.55 | Amarande | If the signal to noise ratio is "good", that means what noise is there is actually impinging on relevant conversation |
| 23:53.10 | Amarande | If the signal to noise ratio is "bad", then there's not much signal, which means there's plenty of room for noise to be harmless |
| 23:57.22 | Torhal | If the signal to noise ratio is "annoying," then there's someone who needs to go do something else rather than talking to themselves and making the channel seem like it has a conversation while simultaneously filling the scrollback buffer with nonsense. |
| 23:57.39 | g0urra | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4w4wGJjuYg |
| 23:58.00 | g0urra | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc_LIR5ExIU |
