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| 01:16.51 | Arrowmaster | jleclanche: have i mentioned recently how much i hate the gnome developers |
| 01:16.56 | jleclanche | go on |
| 01:17.44 | Arrowmaster | i just submitted this for hexchat chat because i randomly saw the new commit before a new release was made https://github.com/hexchat/hexchat/issues/966 |
| 01:18.03 | jleclanche | Want to back this issue? Place a bounty on it! We accept bounties via Bountysource. |
| 01:18.06 | jleclanche | is this new |
| 01:18.11 | jleclanche | github integration |
| 01:18.22 | Arrowmaster | i dont see that |
| 01:18.26 | Arrowmaster | must be addblock |
| 01:18.38 | jleclanche | i have adblock, im guessing the person who files it doesnt see it maybe |
| 01:19.11 | jleclanche | yeah i dont know these guys |
| 01:19.13 | Arrowmaster | but anyway the commit in question look simple enough but when you look at the glib docs i see this https://developer.gnome.org/glib/2.37/glib-Miscellaneous-Utility-Functions.html#GFormatSizeFlags |
| 01:19.41 | Arrowmaster | look at their description for G_FORMAT_SIZE_IEC_UNITS |
| 01:20.13 | jleclanche | opinionated docs, get your opinionated docs right here |
| 01:20.46 | Arrowmaster | only savages measure file size in 1000 based units |
| 01:21.23 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: if you look at the GKeyEvent documentation, you'll see that they list keycode 0x09 as tab which should "usually insert 4 spaces rather than a tab character whenever possible" |
| 01:21.30 | Arrowmaster | IEC or option to choose, fuck anybody that forces SI |
| 01:21.40 | Arrowmaster | WHAT THE FUCK |
| 01:21.50 | jleclanche | see how you believed that? |
| 01:21.53 | jleclanche | its sad. |
| 01:22.03 | Arrowmaster | ..... |
| 01:22.12 | jleclanche | the universe would only need to be slightly different for it to be a possibility |
| 01:22.14 | Arrowmaster | i could see them doing it, they are that fucking bad |
| 01:22.21 | jleclanche | I know. |
| 01:22.26 | jleclanche | thats the point i was making |
| 01:23.23 | Arrowmaster | jleclanche: somebody replied to my bug report, go make a good reply so it looks like it has more of a backing than just me |
| 01:23.27 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: Honestly i would suggest submitting a patch to the documentation to strip the opinionated bit from it |
| 01:23.38 | jleclanche | if anything this should be in the HIG |
| 01:24.30 | Arrowmaster | i guess ill make up a good reply to this guy |
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| 01:25.51 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: if i had money I'd place a bounty on this bug just to make a point |
| 01:26.01 | jleclanche | well, if i had more money. |
| 01:26.12 | Arrowmaster | i get my first paycheck next week |
| 01:26.44 | jleclanche | oh blizzard you idiots |
| 01:26.50 | jleclanche | i forgot macros break when you switch languages |
| 01:27.33 | jleclanche | and apparently, hitting / doesnt open the chat when you're in a german client |
| 01:30.45 | Neffi | jleclanche: i believe there's a keybinding for it like "open chat with slash" or some such |
| 01:30.58 | jleclanche | why would it go away when changing client |
| 01:30.59 | jleclanche | :/ |
| 01:31.01 | jleclanche | language* |
| 01:31.05 | Arrowmaster | what does win8 use for units? |
| 01:31.14 | Semlar | parsecs |
| 01:31.39 | jleclanche | isk drive manufacturers strictly use decimal units, and the megabyte means 1000000bytes. The discrepancy may cause confusion, since operating systems using the binary method report lower numerical values for storage size than advertised by manufacturers. Many operating systems compute file size in mebibytes, but report the number as MB. For example, all versions of Microsoft Windows operating system shows a file of 220 bytes as "1.00 MB" or "1,024 KB" |
| 01:31.39 | jleclanche | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:32.38 | jleclanche | this is gnome though |
| 01:32.46 | jleclanche | what you should ask yourself is: what does osx use? |
| 01:33.49 | Arrowmaster | apple was the first to switch |
| 01:34.05 | Arrowmaster | guy says windows uses SI can somebody please verify? |
| 01:34.16 | Semlar | i don't know what that means |
| 01:34.21 | Arrowmaster | all i know for sure is that it didnt in XP |
| 01:35.17 | jleclanche | Semlar: KiB vs KB |
| 01:35.23 | jleclanche | is there a way to cast a spell by id? |
| 01:35.39 | Neffi | Size on disk: 4.00 KB (4096 bytes) - windows 7 |
| 01:35.42 | Semlar | there's a CastSpellbyID function |
| 01:35.56 | Semlar | not that you can call it |
| 01:36.26 | jleclanche | in a macro i mean |
| 01:36.38 | Neffi | try /use spell:id ? |
| 01:36.50 | Semlar | i think that works |
| 01:36.59 | jleclanche | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:37.01 | jleclanche | didnt work |
| 01:37.08 | Semlar | maybe it only works for items |
| 01:37.16 | Semlar | i can't remember these things |
| 01:37.36 | jleclanche | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:38.14 | Semlar | i mean if you want to get complicated it could certainly write the name of the spell into the macro |
| 01:38.25 | Neffi | jleclanche: try a single-item /castsequence, either with a naked ID or spell:ID |
| 01:38.27 | jleclanche | huh? |
| 01:38.34 | Semlar | like rewrite the macro from the spell ID |
| 01:38.38 | Neffi | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:38.48 | jleclanche | Semlar: thats what i want to do, i want my macros to be usable in a different lang |
| 01:39.15 | Neffi | you mean like write a preprocessor for macros? not a bad idea |
| 01:39.21 | jleclanche | what? no |
| 01:39.25 | Neffi | what semlar said |
| 01:39.28 | jleclanche | I just want my macros to be usable here |
| 01:39.54 | Neffi | did you try a /castsequence? |
| 01:39.59 | jleclanche | how? |
| 01:41.00 | Neffi | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:41.09 | Neffi | Dunno if that works, but I saw it mentioned in a post |
| 01:41.25 | jleclanche | neither work |
| 01:42.18 | Semlar | yeah, the only way i know of to do this is use lua to rewrite the macro by taking the spell id and turning it into the localized name |
| 01:42.29 | Neffi | soz. D: make a post on the forums and bitch at them to fix it? ;) |
| 01:42.43 | jleclanche | bribe a dev, got it |
| 01:42.53 | Neffi | Semlar: go write a macro preprocessor |
| 01:43.14 | jleclanche | well the other way is to use /cast in multiple languages |
| 01:43.16 | jleclanche | SCALABLE! |
| 01:43.37 | Neffi | only 1 entry per language. so efficient! |
| 01:43.49 | jleclanche | Neffi: no i mean like |
| 01:43.55 | jleclanche | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:43.56 | jleclanche | etc |
| 01:44.02 | Neffi | aye, that's what I meant |
| 01:44.16 | Neffi | Frostblitz? that sounds awesome. German? |
| 01:44.22 | jleclanche | yeah |
| 01:44.42 | jleclanche | in french it's probably something like Boule de Froid de la Glace de la Baleine de la Morue |
| 01:44.57 | Semlar | do you know if SetMacroSpell can take an ID? |
| 01:44.59 | Neffi | looks about right |
| 01:45.22 | jleclanche | I lose the icon |
| 01:45.22 | jleclanche | =( |
| 01:45.57 | jleclanche | Verbesserter Gegenzauber |
| 01:46.09 | jleclanche | i dont know if im gonna have enough characters for some of these names in german alone |
| 01:46.29 | Semlar | how many different languages do you play in |
| 01:46.34 | jleclanche | three |
| 01:46.37 | Semlar | why |
| 01:46.46 | Neffi | Use an addon that gives you more than 255 bytes of room |
| 01:46.50 | jleclanche | why not? :P |
| 01:47.02 | Semlar | well this is one reason why not |
| 01:47.09 | jleclanche | the thing is tho |
| 01:47.14 | jleclanche | i didnt have these problems in the spanish client |
| 01:47.16 | jleclanche | so, wtf? |
| 01:48.11 | Arrowmaster | jleclanche: i used the term 'Gnome koolaid' in my reply |
| 01:48.17 | Arrowmaster | too trollish? |
| 01:48.26 | jleclanche | i dont see what can go wrong. |
| 01:48.39 | jleclanche | (2 days later on Phoronix...) |
| 01:53.24 | Arrowmaster | jleclanche: the only recent gtk based file manager i know of that lets me pick IEC is nemo, even mates new file manager lacks the option for IEC even though gnome2 used custom binary (as the IEC wikipedia page calls it) |
| 01:54.45 | jleclanche | Im not getting any more involved than that |
| 01:54.50 | jleclanche | use a good chat client instead |
| 01:54.52 | jleclanche | quassel-irc.org |
| 01:54.58 | jleclanche | hell, use a good DE |
| 01:55.01 | Arrowmaster | no dcc support |
| 01:55.01 | jleclanche | http://lxqt.org |
| 01:55.19 | Arrowmaster | get a 1.0 release out and maybe ill try it |
| 01:55.22 | jleclanche | yeah.. use a good protocol for file transfer while you're at it |
| 01:55.30 | Arrowmaster | like what |
| 01:55.40 | Neffi | jleclanche: there doesn't seem to be anything there |
| 01:55.42 | Arrowmaster | whats wrong with dcc |
| 01:55.45 | jleclanche | those arguments aside. |
| 01:55.45 | Neffi | finish up already! ;) |
| 01:55.56 | jleclanche | Neffi: the page will be up in a couple of days |
| 01:56.04 | jleclanche | Neffi Arrowmaster: we're having the release in 3 days |
| 01:56.26 | Arrowmaster | will there be debian packages or do i have to compile on my own |
| 01:56.27 | Neffi | So is classic LXDE dying in favor of Qt or is it a branch-off project? |
| 01:56.36 | Arrowmaster | former i think |
| 01:56.36 | jleclanche | both |
| 01:56.51 | Arrowmaster | how is it both? |
| 01:57.04 | jleclanche | the Q in LXQt stands for quantum. |
| 01:57.12 | Neffi | I guess classic is dying, but LXQt is not actually an official continuation by the team? |
| 01:57.19 | jleclanche | no |
| 01:57.32 | Arrowmaster | lxqt is a merger of razor-qt and lxde |
| 01:57.36 | jleclanche | currently its a separate branched off project with some of the LXDE devs maintaining it and working on it, as well as the full Razor team |
| 01:57.37 | Arrowmaster | right? |
| 01:57.48 | jleclanche | but LXDE-GTK is still maintained for the time being |
| 01:57.53 | jleclanche | it wont be that way forever tho |
| 01:57.59 | Neffi | *cough* good |
| 01:58.09 | Arrowmaster | maintained but not actively developed? |
| 01:58.17 | Arrowmaster | so no new features? |
| 01:58.31 | jleclanche | its less active now that we have half the devs on LXQt |
| 01:58.35 | jleclanche | but it's still active |
| 01:58.48 | jleclanche | in any case, LXQt is the future here |
| 01:59.31 | Neffi | Are you guys gonna go crazy and decide you need to pull in the KDE base just because, like everyone else using Qt? |
| 01:59.37 | jleclanche | anyway Arrowmaster, we're having the 0.7.0 release in a couple of days. if you want, we have the 0.6.99 release already up which is essentially the same (its a test release to make sure our workflow is good) |
| 01:59.46 | jleclanche | http://lxqt.org/downloads/ |
| 01:59.46 | Arrowmaster | i thought there was only like 1 or 2 devs for lxde before? |
| 01:59.57 | jleclanche | 4 active LXDE devs, but it comes and goes |
| 02:00.03 | jleclanche | we have a lot more with the razor merger |
| 02:00.15 | jleclanche | Neffi: KDE Frameworks 5 is extremely promising |
| 02:00.33 | Arrowmaster | i hate compiling form source |
| 02:00.53 | jleclanche | Neffi: KDE finally got its head out of its many asses and they're dropping a lot of the cross-dependencies within their project, and pushing a lot of their useful libs back upstream |
| 02:01.03 | Arrowmaster | nice |
| 02:01.22 | jleclanche | Kwin will be usable outside KDE soon which is what Im most excited for. it already moved to its own repository |
| 02:01.49 | jleclanche | but theres a lot of good stuff which we want in LXQt, like Solid |
| 02:02.43 | jleclanche | what the fuck, why is my achievement keybind rebound in german as well? what is this crap? |
| 02:02.51 | jleclanche | OH WOW |
| 02:03.06 | jleclanche | its bound to z, wow expects the qwertz layout when Im in german |
| 02:03.07 | jleclanche | COME ON. |
| 02:03.20 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 02:05.53 | jleclanche | anyway yeah Arrowmaster, 7th of may is the target for 0.7 |
| 02:07.02 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: its really stable tho. grab it from git and help us improve it :P |
| 02:07.47 | Arrowmaster | will the release include .deb's |
| 02:08.18 | jleclanche | not afaik. we have a debian guy interested but he hasnt shown himself lately |
| 02:08.30 | jleclanche | why dont you do that? :P |
| 02:09.14 | Arrowmaster | i might |
| 02:09.40 | jleclanche | well if you want to do that for 0.7 let me know like right now, because i'd actually really like the release to include those |
| 02:09.57 | jleclanche | fwiw lxqt is really quick to compile |
| 02:11.49 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: you interested? |
| 02:12.17 | Arrowmaster | whats the github link |
| 02:12.41 | Arrowmaster | or wherever the repo is |
| 02:13.21 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: https://github.com/lxde / http://git.lxde.org |
| 02:13.26 | jleclanche | they're synced |
| 02:13.41 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: this might be more useful: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/?O=0&K=lxqt |
| 02:13.57 | jleclanche | well this specifically (metapackage) https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/lxqt-desktop-git/ |
| 02:14.35 | Arrowmaster | all using cmake? |
| 02:14.38 | jleclanche | yup |
| 02:14.48 | jleclanche | well, not libfm but that should be in the debian repos already |
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| 02:16.17 | Arrowmaster | ill need to lookup how to package something that uses cmake |
| 02:16.31 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/lx/lxqt-about-git/PKGBUILD |
| 02:16.33 | jleclanche | that simple |
| 02:16.50 | Arrowmaster | not that simple for debian |
| 02:17.19 | jleclanche | <sigh> debian. |
| 02:17.19 | jleclanche | :p |
| 02:17.37 | Arrowmaster | oh im sure its just as simple but different |
| 02:18.18 | jleclanche | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1403491 theres that |
| 02:19.09 | Arrowmaster | cdbs is old and i dont think allowed anymore |
| 02:19.17 | Semlar | is PLAYER_LOGOUT guaranteed to fire |
| 02:19.32 | jleclanche | it's guaranteed to fire you |
| 02:19.52 | Semlar | if the game crashes or something how reliable is it |
| 02:20.06 | jleclanche | if the game crashes you have zero guarantees |
| 02:20.19 | Semlar | i'm guessing about the same reliability as saved variables? |
| 02:20.47 | jleclanche | probably, Im guessing internally thats what they use |
| 02:21.24 | Semlar | i was thinking about ways to automatically fix the macro spell ids but it would have to revert them before you log out or when you log in |
| 02:21.34 | Semlar | so if you changed languages it could still fix it |
| 02:25.27 | Arrowmaster | there is always one alias for each macro that is the same in every language |
| 02:25.34 | Semlar | in fact i'm not sure if you can run protected scripts when PLAYER_LOGOUT fires |
| 02:25.35 | Arrowmaster | or there was at one point |
| 02:26.11 | Semlar | what are the odds you can run EditMacro if you're in combat when you close the game |
| 02:26.19 | Arrowmaster | zero |
| 02:27.25 | Semlar | alright i'm thinking you could write the original macros to a saved variable and then revert them on login |
| 02:27.47 | jleclanche | you can be in combat on login too |
| 02:27.52 | Semlar | won't matter |
| 02:27.57 | Semlar | you can do protected stuff on login |
| 02:28.05 | Semlar | weeeeell actually the macros won't be available |
| 02:28.09 | Semlar | so that won't work |
| 02:28.18 | Semlar | you'd have to wait for combat to drop |
| 02:28.29 | Semlar | but it would still be better than losing the macros if you're in combat when you log out |
| 02:28.50 | Arrowmaster | jleclanche: bastard closed the ticket |
| 02:29.01 | Semlar | course you probably wouldn't be in combat long without your spells |
| 02:29.14 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: saw. honestly im with him, as long as its correctly labeled its fine |
| 02:29.28 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: now, use a proper chat client and why dont you implement dcc in quassel im sure plenty of people would be happy |
| 02:29.39 | Arrowmaster | im not a coder |
| 02:29.52 | Arrowmaster | thats why i dont implement dcc is quassel |
| 02:29.58 | jleclanche | neither was i when i implemented the shit you asked me to do in Wine :P |
| 02:30.16 | Arrowmaster | what did i ask you to do in wine? |
| 02:30.21 | jleclanche | i dont remember |
| 02:30.27 | jleclanche | oh yeah, -z to winepath |
| 02:30.46 | Arrowmaster | no clue what that is so i dont think it was me |
| 02:30.50 | jleclanche | yeah it was you |
| 02:30.55 | jleclanche | you wanted a print0 in winepath |
| 02:31.15 | Arrowmaster | i did? |
| 02:31.18 | jleclanche | yeah |
| 02:31.27 | Arrowmaster | for what? |
| 02:31.46 | jleclanche | i dunno, but when i suggested you use winepath, you said it sucks because it doesnt have print0 |
| 02:32.06 | Arrowmaster | i do not remember this conversation and i have a rather good memory |
| 02:32.48 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: http://infobot.rikers.org/%23wowuidev/20100821.html.gz |
| 02:32.53 | jleclanche | 11:35.47Arrowmasterwhich is also not ideal, it should have a -0 option but it doesnt |
| 02:32.55 | jleclanche | 11:36.07Arrowmasterwho the hell made this and didnt include a -0 option |
| 02:33.32 | Arrowmaster | oh you wanted it and i suggested it needed the -z |
| 02:33.51 | Arrowmaster | fyi http://wiki.winehq.org/winepath isnt updated |
| 02:33.55 | jleclanche | you complained, thats what matters |
| 02:34.19 | jleclanche | also you update that |
| 02:34.23 | jleclanche | i dont have a wiki account |
| 02:35.11 | Arrowmaster | why would i have a wiki account if you dont |
| 02:36.21 | jleclanche | think of it this way: why would I have a wiki account when I don't? |
| 02:37.00 | Arrowmaster | better question is why isnt that page auto updated from the documentation files in the git repo |
| 02:37.22 | jleclanche | because the wiki is a piece of shit and very representative of the sad state of wikis in general outside of wikipedia |
| 02:41.26 | Amarande | jleclanche: eh, I've found the Guild Wars, WoW, and LOTRO wikis all are pretty well maintained |
| 02:41.37 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: technical wikis i mean |
| 02:41.42 | jleclanche | Amarande: ^* |
| 02:41.51 | Arrowmaster | you know why wowpedia is well maintained |
| 02:42.36 | jleclanche | Amarande: but its not really just maintenance, its how they are built |
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| 03:17.23 | Semlar | alright jleclanche, how do you feel about potentially losing all your macros |
| 03:17.39 | jleclanche | i have macros from 2004 |
| 03:17.41 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:17.56 | jleclanche | yeah i cant try this right now, working |
| 03:18.16 | Semlar | ah, well you can try it later if you want |
| 03:18.28 | Semlar | it goes through and replaces spell:id with the spell name in your macros |
| 03:18.59 | Arrowmaster | jleclanche: the fight goes on |
| 03:19.03 | Semlar | and theoretically doesn't break anything |
| 03:27.45 | Arrowmaster | jleclanche: !$#@ how is SI 'the sane option on linux' |
| 03:30.33 | Semlar | actually i'm fairly sure macros can't be edited on PLAYER_LOGOUT |
| 03:30.45 | Semlar | so i might as well remove this part |
| 03:32.51 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: seeing as he reopened it i think hes just gonna go with whatever windows does |
| 03:33.12 | Arrowmaster | impossible |
| 03:33.24 | Arrowmaster | windows does what it used to do which glib doesnt support |
| 03:33.36 | Arrowmaster | 1024 bytes = 1KB |
| 03:34.56 | Arrowmaster | now im going to try to talk to the debian hexchat maintainer and get his opinion to see if he would except my two line patch file |
| 03:35.06 | Semlar | accept |
| 03:35.25 | Arrowmaster | do you have any idea how long ive been awake |
| 03:35.28 | Semlar | no |
| 03:36.05 | Arrowmaster | ok then dont criticize me |
| 03:36.07 | Neffi | but Windows goes with the least sane option |
| 03:36.18 | Neffi | It labels the units incorrectly! |
| 03:36.52 | Arrowmaster | it sticks with what was correct before the IEC units were created |
| 03:36.58 | Neffi | Hot chocolate espresso. One of my more brilliant ideas |
| 03:37.05 | Arrowmaster | which is now considered incorrect |
| 03:37.36 | Iriel | Neffi: essentially mocha |
| 03:37.47 | Iriel | Neffi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caff%C3%A8_mocha |
| 03:38.01 | Neffi | No weak stuff here |
| 03:38.16 | Neffi | Cocoa mix + full mug of espresso in place of water or milk |
| 03:38.31 | Arrowmaster | too sugary for me |
| 03:38.37 | Amarande | heh, then there are fun things like the Bailey's Mudslide coffee creamer |
| 03:38.52 | Amarande | perfect for flavoured coffee, I suppose, because mudslide is a flavour that cannot possibly clash with any kind of flavoured coffee! |
| 03:39.15 | Neffi | You'd think coffee goes well with a lot of flavors, but it really does not |
| 03:39.28 | Amarande | Neffi: well, the thing about mudslide flavoured coffee creamer would be |
| 03:39.34 | Neffi | You can easily impart a burnt taste, or accentuate the bitterness too much |
| 03:39.37 | Amarande | the primary ingredient in a traditional mudslide is Kahlua |
| 03:39.52 | Amarande | which ... means that a mudslide flavoured coffee creamer's primary flavour is ... *drum roll* ... |
| 03:40.03 | Neffi | Coffee flavored coffee |
| 03:40.05 | Amarande | *coffee* |
| 03:40.06 | Amarande | heh |
| 03:40.17 | Neffi | I don't like flavored licquor |
| 03:40.25 | Amarande | hm. now I'm wondering |
| 03:40.30 | Amarande | is there a such thing as bacon flavoured coffee creamer? |
| 03:40.46 | Neffi | Coffee and licquor, IMO, have one trait in common that I like to respect: you should feel like it's putting some hair on your chest |
| 03:41.31 | Iriel | Amarande: there is |
| 03:41.56 | Arrowmaster | the bottle of scotch ive been trying to finish for a while has that trait |
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| 04:06.50 | Arrowmaster | jleclanche: I WON! |
| 04:07.13 | Amarande | heh, I still have half a 1.75L bottle of Don Julio from the holidays |
| 04:08.50 | Arrowmaster | i have a 750ml of laphroaig cast strength i opened on thanksgiving and two 750ml bottles of laphroaig portwood still sealed |
| 04:09.52 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: thanks to me obviously |
| 04:10.03 | Arrowmaster | obviously |
| 04:10.54 | Arrowmaster | i dont quite understand the logic of the ifndef's in that commit though |
| 04:11.18 | Amarande | ahhhh Scotch |
| 04:11.28 | Amarande | one of these ages I need to get a bottle of Glenfiddich |
| 04:12.27 | Amarande | hm, what was the last bottle of liquor I bought anyway |
| 04:12.33 | Amarande | ah yeah, a 375 of Midori around St Pat's |
| 04:12.49 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: i guess he wants platform "integration" |
| 04:12.55 | jleclanche | different defaults on windows etc |
| 04:13.03 | Arrowmaster | thats what i suggested |
| 04:13.18 | Arrowmaster | IEC on win, SI on osx, ? on linux |
| 04:13.30 | jleclanche | yeah thats what he committed |
| 04:13.42 | Arrowmaster | i just dont understand how they are nested |
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| 04:14.28 | Arrowmaster | wait let me try |
| 04:14.31 | jleclanche | if not on osx: if not on windows: we're on linux; else: we're on windows; else: we're on any |
| 04:15.06 | jleclanche | its bad nesting thats what it is |
| 04:15.08 | Arrowmaster | so on osx the setting does nothing |
| 04:15.09 | jleclanche | but w/e |
| 04:15.16 | jleclanche | on osx he defaults to SI |
| 04:15.24 | Arrowmaster | no defaults but forces SI |
| 04:15.29 | Arrowmaster | right? |
| 04:16.29 | jleclanche | ya |
| 04:16.36 | jleclanche | pretty much |
| 04:16.58 | jleclanche | also Arrowmaster |
| 04:16.59 | jleclanche | https://pay.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/24n4ev/is_it_possible_to_achieve_firefox_functionality/ |
| 04:17.04 | Arrowmaster | my bad knowledge of C leads me to understand that on osx lines 115 and 117 are skipped, on windows line 115 is skipped and 117 is always run, and on linux line 115 and 117 are both run meaning the setting only ever works on linux |
| 04:17.23 | jleclanche | yep |
| 04:17.24 | Arrowmaster | this seems like terribly unreadable code to me |
| 04:18.06 | jleclanche | welcome to gnome |
| 04:18.10 | Arrowmaster | why does epiphany even exist still |
| 04:18.15 | jleclanche | we hate c++ and we want every feature of it |
| 04:18.20 | Arrowmaster | no distro defaults to it |
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| 04:19.05 | Arrowmaster | i have epiphany (and evolution) installed just because i havent removed the gnome metapackage yet and ive never used it |
| 04:20.16 | Arrowmaster | oddly the gnome metapackage in debian depends on both epiphany and xul-ext-adblock so im forced to have both epiphany and firefox installed |
| 04:20.45 | Arrowmaster | i created a dummy package for the adblock one since id rather have it auto updated in browser |
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| 04:35.00 | viktorwk1997 | hello |
| 04:37.14 | Semlar | hi |
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| 05:45.41 | Iiris | :( |
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| 07:05.22 | Shirik | uh oh |
| 07:05.32 | Shirik | first fire alarm of the year :( |
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| 08:59.03 | Torhal | I'm starting to hate fonts. |
| 08:59.37 | Mr_Rabies | >2014 |
| 08:59.54 | tz | just stop caring and use comic sans everywhere |
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| 09:00.18 | Mr_Rabies | >not using a cintiq and handwriting everything |
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| 09:16.57 | karl_w_w | you're a strange person Mr_Rabies |
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| 10:00.42 | airtonix | Torhal: stop using windows. |
| 10:01.20 | Torhal | airtonix: I was actually referring to manipulating them in WoW. |
| 10:01.26 | airtonix | jleclanche: how do you feel about webid? |
| 10:01.27 | Torhal | I'm also on a Mac. |
| 10:01.35 | airtonix | lawlmac |
| 10:01.40 | airtonix | kk |
| 10:02.29 | airtonix | MacOSx: Pay for "Almost Linux", but only one button. |
| 10:03.52 | Neffi | Silly Linux users, pretending they invented Unix |
| 10:05.22 | airtonix | posts more photos on macrumours |
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| 11:17.19 | airtonix | jleclanche: https://waffle.io/ |
| 11:18.08 | airtonix | does trello have webhooks for this kind of thing? |
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| 11:51.51 | karl_w_w | nobody answered you airtonix |
| 11:52.00 | karl_w_w | do you feel unloved? |
| 11:52.20 | airtonix | i don't have time for emotions |
| 11:59.26 | Fisker | wow much emotion |
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| 14:26.01 | nebula169 | anyone know of a script or such to dump xbmc art assets into the media file's folder for a generic front end to load? |
| 14:26.16 | nebula169 | suppose it wouldn't be hard to play with the sqlite db directly |
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| 15:44.19 | Maldivia | nebula169: you have api calls to get the assets though |
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| 16:05.14 | jleclanche | airtonix: whats webid? and ive seen waffle.io its a sad service |
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| 17:51.53 | zenzelezz | "Star Wars day" is such an American thing |
| 17:52.03 | zenzelezz | also "Pi day" |
| 17:53.00 | Elkano | wouldn't say so... |
| 17:54.04 | zenzelezz | as far as I know most of Europe used ddmmYYYY |
| 17:54.19 | zenzelezz | also "May" doesn't work in many languages |
| 17:54.45 | Gnarfoz | both are obviously American - that some of it may now have been imported to here does not change that :P |
| 17:55.31 | zenzelezz | thankfully it's not imported to Norway |
| 17:55.49 | zenzelezz | I won't deny that there probably is some person somewhere here than uses them |
| 17:56.38 | Gnarfoz | m/d/y has two main users |
| 17:56.41 | Gnarfoz | US and Belize |
| 17:57.14 | Gnarfoz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_format_by_country#Map funny map :D |
| 17:58.41 | Elkano | well, it's true that the "joke" won't work in most languages but I rememer an occasion where a simultanious translator messed up... "May the force be with you." -> "Am vierten Mai sind wir wieder bei ihnen." ("May 4th we'll be with you again") |
| 17:58.43 | nebula169 | canda gives no fucks |
| 17:59.57 | Gnarfoz | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/de/Metrication_by_year_map.svg looks similar :D |
| 18:00.27 | Gnarfoz | what's that asian country in black there? |
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| 18:02.08 | Gnarfoz | ah, Myanmar |
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| 18:10.14 | karl_w_w | i feel sorry for belize |
| 18:16.15 | karl_w_w | so our government is introducing a tax |
| 18:16.34 | karl_w_w | problem 1: the purpose of the tax is to reduce government debt |
| 18:17.02 | karl_w_w | problem 2: we have one of the lowest debts of any country in the world at 12% of gdp |
| 18:19.01 | zenzelezz | what is the tax? |
| 18:20.45 | karl_w_w | what do you mean? |
| 18:21.33 | zenzelezz | what is it a tax on? |
| 18:21.49 | karl_w_w | income |
| 18:24.03 | Gnarfoz | an additional income tax? or are they just raising the income tax |
| 18:24.10 | Gnarfoz | or did you not have income tax before |
| 18:24.37 | Gnarfoz | it seems you did |
| 18:27.18 | karl_w_w | an additional tax |
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| 18:44.57 | Arrowmaster | git is nearing a 2.0 release? wow |
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| 20:07.18 | karl_w_w | http://www.ludumdare.com/compo/ludum-dare-29/?action=preview&uid=3963 great game |
| 20:28.04 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: what's so surprising about that?^^ |
| 20:45.57 | nevcairiel | do they even put special meaning in that version, or is just it just 1.9 -> 2.0 |
| 20:46.05 | nevcairiel | linux 3.0 wasn't really any magical either |
| 20:46.10 | nevcairiel | linux kernel* |
| 20:52.09 | zenzelezz | somehow 1.9 -> 2.0 reminded me of when WoW went 1.9 to 1.10. Some people had such a hard time understanding/accepting it |
| 20:52.30 | nevcairiel | people are too stupid to understand version numbers |
| 21:01.22 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: it's just 1.9 -> 2.0 (there is a change in some default setting, but... I think that's just a coincidence) |
| 21:15.23 | Shirik | zenzelezz: We recently had one of our firmwares go from version 1.8 to 1.40 |
| 21:15.31 | Shirik | and it confused the hell out of everyone |
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| 21:15.36 | Shirik | "why are we going backwards in version" |
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| 21:20.52 | nevcairiel | 40 > 8 |
| 21:20.54 | nevcairiel | l2version |
| 21:21.00 | Gnarfoz | noooo 4 < 8 |
| 21:21.03 | Gnarfoz | ;D |
| 21:21.48 | Gnarfoz | I was looking at qbittorrent's forum, and there's tons of threads referring to version 313, or 231 or whatever, people just ignore the dots |
| 21:22.21 | nevcairiel | if you still have a version called 0.something, like 0.60.2, people like to call it 6.0.2 too |
| 21:22.30 | nevcairiel | in short, version numbers are too complex for people |
| 21:22.38 | Gnarfoz | tl;dr: people are dumb |
| 21:22.39 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 21:22.52 | nevcairiel | anyway, time for sleepz |
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| 21:29.42 | A-KO | oh MET |
| 21:29.48 | A-KO | how I need to go back |
| 21:29.55 | A-KO | probably one of my favorite museums |
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| 21:36.35 | Primer | Is there no cast for a warlock to dismiss his pet? |
| 21:36.45 | Primer | Only thing I'm finding is a /script PetDismiss() |
| 21:37.06 | Primer | I want to roll this into a macro that only dismisses the pet if it's not already a specific pet |
| 21:41.27 | Maldivia | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:44.05 | karl_w_w | fuck version numbers, revision numbers ftw |
| 21:53.27 | Gnarfoz | git hashes |
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| 22:14.40 | Dagmar | 3D colorscapes FTW |
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| 22:50.58 | Arrowmaster | this doesnt seem like that bad of a price http://www.controller.com/listingsdetail/aircraft-for-sale/MIKOYAN-MIG-21-UM/1967-MIKOYAN-MIG-21-UM/1163877.htm |
| 22:54.59 | Primer | Maldivia: I didn't know that was possible, thanks |
| 22:55.25 | Primer | err, I misunderstood |
| 22:56.45 | Primer | I need to work the logic thusly: if I have any pet other than a fel hunter, dismiss it, then as I will have no pet, summon fel hunter, then when I have a fell hunter, cast grimoire of sacrifice |
| 22:57.18 | Primer | I think I got it |
| 22:58.31 | Primer | /cast [nopet] Summon Felhunter /cast [pet:Felhunter] Grimoire of Sacrifice /stopmacro [nopet,pet:Felhunter] /script PetDismiss() |
| 22:58.36 | Primer | I believe that should work |
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| 23:13.44 | Semlar | i don't think [nopet,pet:Felhunter] makes sense |
| 23:15.10 | Semlar | that would only stop the macro if both nopet AND pet:Felhunter were true |
| 23:15.11 | Primer | because it's AND, right |
| 23:15.17 | Neffi | yes |
| 23:15.19 | Primer | need OR |
| 23:15.27 | Semlar | i think separate brackets is what you want |
| 23:15.30 | Neffi | [nopet] [pet:Felhunter] <- for or |
| 23:15.36 | Primer | yeah |
| 23:15.54 | Semlar | granted now i'm curious if [nopet:Felhunter] works |
| 23:16.03 | Neffi | it should |
| 23:16.20 | Neffi | It shoudl evaluate true if you have a pet that's not a Felhunter |
| 23:16.28 | Semlar | or no pet? |
| 23:16.38 | Semlar | presumably it just means the opposite of pet:Felhunter |
| 23:16.43 | Neffi | iunno actually |
| 23:17.25 | Semlar | going by the logic that appending "no" to a macro condition is the same as doing "not" |
| 23:18.20 | Neffi | It will probably evaluate "pet is Felhunter?" and then invert it |
| 23:18.42 | Semlar | in my experience it would just check that "pet is felhunter" isn't true |
| 23:18.44 | Neffi | So if you have no pet, it will evluate false->true |
| 23:19.06 | Neffi | Test it |
| 23:19.10 | Semlar | you test it! |
| 23:19.36 | Neffi | Primer: You test it ;) /dump SecureCmdOptionParse("[nopet:Felhunter]") |
| 23:19.54 | Neffi | actually /dump SecureCmdOptionParse("[nopet:Felhunter] a; b") |
| 23:21.49 | Semlar | i'm surprised there isn't a macro command for dismissing a pet |
| 23:23.45 | Dagmar | You mean like, /dismisspet? |
| 23:23.58 | jleclanche | anyone else with cyanogenmod having serious battery issues? I'm on a S3 and the phone is consuming roughly 2% battery per hour on standby with both wifi and data off |
| 23:24.18 | Dagmar | jleclanche: 11.0 nightly? |
| 23:24.22 | jleclanche | stable |
| 23:24.30 | Dagmar | Well that's fuckin' weird |
| 23:24.42 | Dagmar | Did you just upgrade the baseband? |
| 23:24.50 | Dagmar | ...or are you still using md4? |
| 23:24.56 | jleclanche | I didnt upgrade anything, it started doing this ~3-4 weeks ago |
| 23:25.02 | jleclanche | I can't tell if it's the battery itself dying, or spyware or something |
| 23:25.16 | jleclanche | its one of the reasons I installed a firewall on it recently |
| 23:25.36 | Dagmar | The battery stats thing should say something about what's using hte most port |
| 23:25.39 | Dagmar | er power |
| 23:25.46 | jleclanche | everything says "Cell standby" |
| 23:25.50 | jleclanche | which basically means the radio |
| 23:26.08 | Dagmar | Yeah powercycle it |
| 23:26.19 | Dagmar | ...and maybe flash in mk5 baseband |
| 23:26.30 | jleclanche | Ive done that several times over the last few weeks. it eventually comes back |
| 23:26.35 | jleclanche | whats mk5 baseband? |
| 23:26.43 | Dagmar | The "modem" firmware |
| 23:26.52 | Dagmar | THey're separate from the main image |
| 23:27.03 | Dagmar | It's what goes on the other side of the mysterious API wall |
| 23:27.07 | jleclanche | how do I check what I currently have? |
| 23:27.18 | Dagmar | UNder the About Phone |
| 23:27.53 | Dagmar | Baseband version will say MK4 id your'e still using the last one they shipped out with their _next to last_ (i.e., non-Knox) TouchWiz ROM |
| 23:27.55 | jleclanche | android 4.3.1, kernel 3.0.64, baseband i9300xxemg4 |
| 23:28.12 | jleclanche | cyanogen 10.2.0 |
| 23:28.15 | Dagmar | I temporarily reflashed back to the last non-TouchWiz stock ROM last week so I could update the PRL and Profile |
| 23:28.16 | Gnarfoz | 2% per hour on standby is... not at all strange |
| 23:28.29 | jleclanche | Gnarfoz: yes, it is when all internet is off |
| 23:28.32 | Shirik | back in my day |
| 23:28.34 | Dagmar | jleclanche: Is yours SPH-L710? |
| 23:28.37 | Gnarfoz | cell standby means it's not off |
| 23:28.39 | Shirik | our phones lasted a week |
| 23:28.49 | Gnarfoz | or are you saying you're in airplane mode |
| 23:28.50 | jleclanche | Dagmar: i cant see anything like that anywhere? |
| 23:28.51 | Shirik | and they had snake |
| 23:29.00 | Gnarfoz | jleclanche: that's a US model, never mind him |
| 23:29.09 | Dagmar | jleclanche: The phone model number. Is it Sprint or a GSM model? |
| 23:29.22 | Gnarfoz | he probably has a i9300. |
| 23:29.27 | jleclanche | i9300 yes |
| 23:29.33 | Dagmar | ...becuase you should actually be seeing 10.2.1 if your'e using the d2spr branch |
| 23:29.39 | jleclanche | Gnarfoz: the radio is not off. but thats the thing, sometimes it stops consuming so much and goes back to 2% per 24 hours |
| 23:30.15 | Gnarfoz | 2% per 24 hours? oO that'd be... rather good |
| 23:30.32 | Dagmar | Mine doesn't use much at all on standby |
| 23:30.46 | jleclanche | yeah when everything is off its about 2-4% a day |
| 23:30.50 | Dagmar | with the ZeroLemon battery on it it's got a few days before I have to care if I'm not playing Ingress |
| 23:30.52 | Gnarfoz | I guess if I had nothing installed on mine, they might have different numbers |
| 23:42.07 | *** join/#wowuidev tharper (~tomh@unaffiliated/sioraiocht) |
| 23:52.49 | jleclanche | Dagmar: are the ebay batteries worth it? |
| 23:53.02 | jleclanche | not the extended ones which require special covers, just the "larger capacity" same-size ones |
| 23:56.58 | airtonix | jleclanche: http://www.w3.org/wiki/Foaf+ssl |
| 23:57.11 | airtonix | http://answers.semanticweb.com/questions/1262/what-problems-does-foafssl-solve |
| 23:57.23 | airtonix | webid = new name for foafssl |
| 23:57.30 | Dagmar | jleclanche: I more or less swear by ZeroLemon now. There's only so much extra oomph you can get in a stock _sized_ battery |
| 23:57.47 | Dagmar | Also, if someone tries to mug me for my phone, I can crack their skull with it |
| 23:58.03 | airtonix | jleclanche: someone showed me a working example of it. I liked it for the same reasons i liked persona |
| 23:58.29 | Dagmar | I dropped my phone onto bricks last night. All I had to do was stick out a foot so that it didn't fall all the way. The TPU case protected it fine |
| 23:59.39 | jleclanche | airtonix: i dont know what that is. but whatever it is, persona is better |
