| 00:09.07 | Primer | Can anyone recommend an addon that replaces the default "impairment" UI? |
| 00:09.28 | Primer | The one that shows silenced/stunned/rooted |
| 00:11.49 | Primer | I'm watching this arena match where this person has a replacement one, but it's been going on for quite a while |
| 00:12.08 | Primer | and I'm not expecting him to answer while arenaing |
| 00:12.13 | MiRai | Lose Control? |
| 00:12.56 | MiRai | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11642-LoseControl.html |
| 00:13.10 | Primer | checking |
| 00:13.30 | MiRai | other than that, I'd have no idea |
| 00:14.14 | Primer | heh, his partner died and he almost got the res off |
| 00:14.48 | Primer | apparently it's part of ElvUI |
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| 00:24.56 | ALPHATT | hmm |
| 00:24.59 | ALPHATT | it was tell me when |
| 00:25.16 | ALPHATT | if I had tell me when disabled, it corrupted bartender, if I clicked clear focus |
| 00:25.20 | ALPHATT | hmm |
| 00:25.28 | ALPHATT | even though I'm on the latest version |
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| 01:08.26 | Gethe | so i'd like to make a contribution to DBM, but i've only ever used git and have no idea what to do with svn. |
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| 01:47.55 | pompy | already been linked? http://news.yahoo.com/major-security-hole-found-popular-login-protocols-won-144249453.html |
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| 02:24.27 | jleclanche | pompy: already been debunked |
| 02:24.28 | jleclanche | weeks ago |
| 02:28.31 | Amarande | gah, damn you mozilla |
| 02:28.45 | Amarande | I literally have to use a different browser from my usual JUST to download intel driver updates now |
| 02:29.08 | Neffi | dont use the shitty dl utility? |
| 02:29.20 | Amarande | I can get to the intel download center just fine with Chrome, IE11, even my phone. Firefox? "Server Error in '/' Application" and no pages AT ALL load on that site |
| 02:29.23 | Neffi | All intel drivers are available from a normal .exe download |
| 02:29.46 | Amarande | Neffi: for some reason accessing https://downloadcenter.intel.com with firefox aurora 30 or 31 triggers a server-level error |
| 02:29.56 | Neffi | Probably a bug in Intel's site. Don't blame the messenger |
| 02:29.58 | Amarande | it doesn't occur with any other browser, nor with firefox 29 or older |
| 02:30.13 | Neffi | Also stop using an alpha-stage software, you dolt |
| 02:30.20 | Neffi | They're pretty much meant to break |
| 02:30.33 | Amarande | Neffi: the fact that it's in both 30 and 31 aurora is ominous, though |
| 02:30.52 | Neffi | or means that it's not high priority |
| 02:30.53 | Amarande | that means whatever it is isn't fixed yet, which means it probably percolated down into 30.0 beta, and probably will end up affecting release 30 |
| 02:30.58 | Dagmar | That it causes a _server-side_ error is hilarious |
| 02:31.10 | Dagmar | You should dig into that and see how bad you can make it get |
| 02:31.11 | Amarande | which means next thing all current firefox users will be unable to download from intel without an update :S |
| 02:31.16 | Neffi | a bug lasting multiple testing versions is actually quite common, if bug db sites are to be trusted |
| 02:31.16 | Amarande | "Firefox! NOW FOR AMD USERS ONLY!" |
| 02:31.31 | Dagmar | it works fine for the released firefox |
| 02:31.59 | Amarande | yeah, I'm not sure how the hell it's causing a server-side error |
| 02:32.06 | Neffi | I'll never understanding sacrificing stability for unfinished features |
| 02:32.14 | Neffi | or proper spelling :| |
| 02:32.17 | Dagmar | "Lazy fucking webdevs" is now |
| 02:32.26 | Amarande | also it only seems to affect the download center, the main intel site and things like Ark and such are unaffected |
| 02:32.31 | Dagmar | s/now/how/ |
| 02:32.50 | Amarande | lemme guess ... intel does crap like I haven't seen in a long long long aeon |
| 02:33.10 | Amarande | i.e., specific browser version checks, and pukes trying to figure out what page it should load for a firefox version >29? |
| 02:33.47 | Neffi | I think Intel guys are smarter than that |
| 02:34.01 | Amarande | been a looooooong time since I saw a website be that specific about version checks, and that was back in the day when it wasn't practically a standard to bump up the major version number on browsers every few weeks |
| 02:34.10 | Amarande | so a new major version really was a big thing back then :S |
| 02:34.37 | Dagmar | Neffi: I can assure you the people making their website are not the people making their chips |
| 02:34.40 | Dagmar | Just their MMUs |
| 02:34.44 | Neffi | haha |
| 02:35.00 | Neffi | Intel has its hands in more than just chips. I believe they employ a lot of software guys |
| 02:35.26 | Amarande | Dagmar: maybe the people who code their USB3 drivers? :) |
| 02:35.49 | Amarande | seeing that Intel has had a number of issues with that, too, it seems to be not too uncommon for intel systems to have trouble actually getting USB3 speeds on USB3 ports |
| 02:36.04 | Amarande | for some reason it's been known to like to bug out and fall back to USB2 speeds |
| 02:36.06 | Dagmar | Id' be happy if they just reliably did USB 2.0 as well |
| 02:36.16 | Amarande | never had issues with USB2, though |
| 02:36.18 | Dagmar | I was under the impression those things were supposed to be backward-compatible but I suppose not |
| 02:36.31 | Dagmar | Of course that might just be one of the corners Dell had them cut |
| 02:36.34 | Amarande | (and I don't know if I WILL have issues with USB3, because I don't actually HAVE any devices that are capable of USB3 throughput anyways :S) |
| 02:36.52 | Dagmar | I've got an external 1Tb drive that's USB3 |
| 02:36.57 | Dagmar | It's definitely fast enough |
| 02:37.13 | Amarande | the only things where you can really tell the difference are storage and network devices, pretty much |
| 02:37.20 | Dagmar | It's the reason I finally upgraded my main drive to a 3Tb and stopped trying to play Tetris with my game installs in a 250Gb partition |
| 02:37.46 | Amarande | both my wired and wireless NICs are internal, however, and my pendrives are both USB2, and I think the same is the case for my tablet and phone |
| 02:37.46 | Iiris | :( |
| 02:38.04 | Amarande | and I'm pretty certain my external DVD drive is 2 also |
| 02:38.36 | Dagmar | I felt kind of stupid delaying upgrading my main disk for so long, considering that I _easily_ used Acronis to backup the entire damn partition to the external 1Tb |
| 02:38.44 | Dagmar | Still took a goddamn hour because it insisted on compressing everything |
| 02:38.52 | Amarande | sooo ... eighteen days *sigh* I'm glad now that I don't have all that many DS games, and DQ9 is the only one with content I'll really miss |
| 02:39.02 | Amarande | (well maybe Yugioh 2010 too, but I suck at Yugioh anyway) |
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| 02:40.32 | Amarande | as far as space goes, I have a 240GB SSD and a 1TB WD Blue, I'm pretty much set on space for a while :) |
| 03:15.42 | ccox | Amarande: you do realize that 1.24 TB wouldn't last a typical weekend photoshoot, right? |
| 03:22.47 | Amarande | ccox: maybe for a professional |
| 03:23.12 | Amarande | on vacation I don't think I've ever used more than a couple gigs on a single trip, even ones that were a full week long |
| 03:23.18 | ccox | ok, for a semi-pro these days, that might last 2 weekends :-) |
| 03:23.26 | Amarande | and that's at 10-12MP on average |
| 03:23.40 | Iriel | I think you’re overstating photographic consumption a little |
| 03:23.57 | Amarande | yeah, I think you'd have to be quite hardcore pro to be using that much |
| 03:24.02 | Iriel | Video, I dont know about. |
| 03:24.11 | Amarande | what are the best still cameras atm? upper 20's range MP? |
| 03:24.25 | Iriel | I have a 32GB card in my camera and that still lasts a while. |
| 03:24.29 | Iiris | :( |
| 03:24.42 | Amarande | so that'd be about 2-3 times the usage on my camera, still only a few gigs for say 300 or so pics like I'd tend to get in a vacation |
| 03:25.24 | Amarande | as still images go, the only ones I've heard of being *especially* out-there huge are some specialised medical images |
| 03:25.48 | Amarande | I hear about those every now and then because it comes up a lot on places like Ars when talk about ISP usage policies comes up |
| 03:26.13 | Amarande | because invariably there's a doctor or two trying to work from home and having trouble with the bandwidth usage that MRI's and X-rays and such are producing to download |
| 03:26.34 | Iriel | I wonder whether those sorts of systems have bothered to compress (losslessly) anything |
| 03:26.47 | Dagmar | They don't compress those images, generally speaking |
| 03:26.58 | ccox | 22 MP + HD video + edits, yeah TB gets used up quick. |
| 03:27.02 | Dagmar | It was one of the things that drove me nuts working for that medical records company |
| 03:27.23 | Dagmar | Offices pushing up *massive* files from x-rays in bloody TIFF format |
| 03:27.50 | Iriel | Every now and again one of our creative teams will do that - upload a huge uncompressed TIFF |
| 03:27.58 | Iriel | I /think/ we blocked that in the asset management system in the end |
| 03:29.51 | Amarande | heh, the fun of uncompressed images |
| 03:30.01 | Amarande | I have seen some *insane* levels of waste from those |
| 03:30.33 | Amarande | I'm thinking back to high school ... I would type up my math homework, and at the time I only had the paint program that came with Windows to draw things with |
| 03:30.45 | Amarande | so I'd end up with the drawings as BMP |
| 03:31.11 | Amarande | my DOC files would literally be megabytes and then compress to something ludicrously tiny like 50K, because BMPs that only have two colours compress so effectively |
| 03:42.16 | Dagmar | Yeah some people are a little unreasonable about replication quality when it comes to images |
| 03:42.48 | Dagmar | I don't see that it's useful to have something take up 20x the amount of space for 2% difference |
| 03:43.23 | Dagmar | We were getting 15-20Mb TIFFs from people in '96. |
| 03:43.34 | Dagmar | ...and they would complain that it made their browser slow |
| 03:43.42 | Dagmar | *eyepinch* |
| 03:44.20 | Dagmar | ...and there was no telling what IE would do if it saw ".tiff" on the end of the URL |
| 03:45.03 | Dagmar | We honestsly got a bug report that basically said "Xrays are printing" |
| 03:45.22 | Dagmar | IE had decided it was a fax. |
| 03:46.36 | Dagmar | IE6: Never Forget. |
| 03:49.53 | Iiris | :( |
| 03:51.26 | Neffi | Dagmar: I would say compression artifacts, especially minor ones that aren't obviously artifacts of compression, are the last thing you want in medical scans |
| 03:52.31 | Neffi | Considering they tend to shell out like $10000 a piece for special monitors capable of resolving incredibly minute differences between shades of grey! |
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| 03:53.29 | Dagmar | Neffi: These were _fantastically_ high-res images |
| 03:53.42 | Dagmar | ...and greyscale. |
| 03:53.56 | Dagmar | ...being viewed by people on a 1024x768 monitor |
| 03:54.11 | Dagmar | *Sometimes* 1600x1200 |
| 03:54.38 | Dagmar | It can afford a tiny bit of compression |
| 03:56.00 | Dagmar | Also, we were only needed as a secondary access method which was faster than rummaging through folders |
| 03:57.21 | Dagmar | For sure anything like a normal PC was going to have issues viewing a 20Mb tiff quickly |
| 03:57.32 | Dagmar | 'cuz, 1996. |
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| 04:53.17 | Iiris | :( |
| 04:54.28 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:56.45 | pompy | lol kd3 how far are you from norcross? |
| 04:58.26 | pompy | http://www.ajc.com/news/news/crime-law/man-accused-of-robbing-waffle-house-with-pitchfork/nfnfr/ |
| 05:13.02 | Neffi | Semlar: /headdesk |
| 05:14.52 | Semlar | ^_^ |
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| 05:36.39 | Iiris | :( |
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| 05:37.11 | Gethe | Iiris: :( |
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| 05:43.47 | jleclanche | YES |
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| 05:44.00 | jleclanche | quassel configured with a fully working ssl cert still on localhost |
| 05:44.36 | jleclanche | I wish quassel showed green locks cause I'd totally have one \o/ |
| 05:45.00 | Gethe | grats |
| 05:54.41 | Iiris | :( |
| 06:08.04 | Shirik | I have a love/hate relationship with quassel |
| 06:08.13 | Shirik | I love the server |
| 06:08.15 | Shirik | and the model |
| 06:08.22 | Shirik | the client is absolute shit |
| 06:17.47 | jleclanche | i like the client |
| 06:17.48 | jleclanche | :( |
| 06:22.22 | Iiris | :( |
| 06:23.48 | Fisker | I don't like the client |
| 06:24.08 | Fisker | Think it's gotten a bit better lately though |
| 06:25.56 | Fisker | Why do you need/want a non-selfsigned cert anyway? |
| 06:26.53 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
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| 07:52.01 | Iiris | :( |
| 07:55.05 | airtonix | :>:>:>:>:> |
| 08:00.46 | airtonix | so shirk, what makes you say that? |
| 08:01.05 | airtonix | make a claim, back it up. |
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| 08:13.50 | airtonix | lol a 5hr halo movie? |
| 08:15.03 | karl_w_w | http://www.groceryrun.com.au/event/38501/product/2x-maggi-2-minute-wholegrain-noodles-tomato-5pk-350g-282022 |
| 08:15.12 | karl_w_w | made with invisible wholegrain airtonix |
| 08:15.23 | karl_w_w | but if it's invisible how come I can kill it? |
| 08:15.26 | airtonix | it's th thought that counts |
| 08:16.03 | airtonix | sigh... website with a clock |
| 08:16.26 | airtonix | because browser only devices are the majority thing out there right? |
| 08:16.57 | karl_w_w | it's not a clock it's a countdown |
| 08:17.15 | airtonix | it just happens to show me my local time |
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| 08:21.37 | airtonix | Iiris: what in smegs fury are you doing? |
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| 09:52.43 | Sintacks | @MysticalOS: "you work on your CLEU stuff. I’m working on mine. “ready to fight” appearing now changes things. Wish I had noticed sooner. grr @Celestalon" --- Wat u talkin 'bout |
| 10:00.45 | airtonix | oh ok |
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| 13:52.45 | VIad | playing singleplayer game, have to go do something quickly, come back to find myself away and disconnected from the singleplayer server - fuck you diablo 3! |
| 13:53.20 | VIad | 80% rift done, came back to be forded logged off 20 min later |
| 14:06.20 | Maldivia | usually means you had some connection issues, because you can stay afk for hours in private games |
| 14:07.33 | karl_w_w | the fact that it's possible to disconnect from a single player game is another problem entirely |
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| 14:13.37 | VIad | Maldivia: I always DC if I afk for 20 min |
| 14:13.57 | VIad | I am online until my game sets me Away, then a little while after I get a message about network issue and I am gone |
| 14:14.05 | VIad | sends me right to the character screen |
| 14:14.08 | VIad | all progress lost :/ |
| 14:14.31 | VIad | it's a SP game I can't just push escape to pause and leave for 30 min without the fear of loosing progress, it's insane! |
| 14:15.00 | VIad | they just kick me out so someone else can take my slot - since they host all games remotely on servers, piss poor design if you ask me |
| 14:15.12 | VIad | d2 had both online and offline profiles so you wouldn't experience this bullshit |
| 14:15.47 | VIad | all blizz had to do is add a copy button to copy online character to your offline profile and let you fork it and continue playing offline if you want to |
| 14:16.00 | VIad | without the ability to rever it, that would be your lan character, like d2 :P |
| 14:16.19 | VIad | (if server slots are that important that they wanna kick you for being afk |
| 14:20.54 | VIad | it's bullshit http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5235713338 |
| 14:21.06 | VIad | anyway nuff of this, gonna logout now that I finally finished some rift runs :P |
| 14:21.40 | pompy | or if you have quick join and players near me disabled and are alone, don't disconnect... but like they'll ever change itt to that :\ |
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| 15:26.15 | jleclanche | Primer: ping |
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| 16:01.39 | karl_w_w | http://bile.rapgamebakht.in/ ooookay then |
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| 16:07.59 | jleclanche | I just heard about this from a freelancer friend |
| 16:08.26 | jleclanche | he got a job declined because he sent in some of his Github commits as various proofs of work |
| 16:08.38 | jleclanche | the buyer thought the red lines were bad lines. |
| 16:11.26 | Fisker | Competent bosses ftw |
| 16:12.33 | Gnarfoz | sounds like your friend got away with his sanity |
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| 17:11.33 | Shirik | ok wtf amazon |
| 17:11.48 | Shirik | I can buy a printed copy of a book and the kindle edition for cheaper than I can buy the kindle edition |
| 17:15.02 | Fisker | So? |
| 17:15.26 | Shirik | whywouldyoudothat.jpg? |
| 17:16.16 | Caleb| | cuz fuck the trees that's why |
| 17:16.43 | Caleb| | it's not like they produce stuff that we need for breathing or anything |
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| 17:24.41 | Shirik | to be fair |
| 17:24.45 | Shirik | most of the oxygen comes from algae |
| 17:34.00 | MysticalOS | Sin, when 5.4 launched, I asked Celestalon why "ready to fight" was hidden in combat log, because it made detecting precise time paragons join the fight in worldoflogs/warcraft logs impossible, and a pain for mods. it was hidden for some technical reason. |
| 17:35.01 | MysticalOS | When blizz tried to hotfix it, it couldn't be hotfixed, so I wrote it off as never happening. little did I know that celestalon went extra mile and fixed it in 5.4.7. so yay on devs that go extra mile to make our lives easier somsetimes |
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| 18:00.28 | Stanzilla | MysticalOS: does bigwigs detect that right? |
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| 18:32.03 | Neffi | https://i.imgur.com/REgSMuB.jpg Canadians are too nice :P |
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| 19:02.17 | MysticalOS | Stanzilla, both bigwigs and dbm used combination of IEEU and jump to center. each with their cavets (jump to center doesn't fire for some bosses) and IEEU needs extra filter checks cause it fires for inactive bosses too. RTF finally showing in CLEU allows cleaning that up. The bigger gain is not to mods though but for log sites. |
| 19:03.08 | MysticalOS | boss mods worked, with hacks, but they worked. but log sites had NO WAY to see when x joined the fight, beyond extrapolation of previous one dying. Not as precise though when analyzing certain things. |
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| 19:03.30 | MysticalOS | my biggest argument was always that hiding things from combat log doesn't break mods, it breaks log site |
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| 19:06.33 | Stanzilla | ok |
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| 19:23.50 | Shirik | wow paypal has introduced a very evil feature |
| 19:24.02 | Shirik | if you give them your username and password to your bank, they'll instantly verify your account |
| 19:24.26 | Kesava | ... |
| 19:24.35 | Kesava | that doesn't seem like something a legit site would be doing |
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| 19:25.10 | stuf_ | wonder how that would work here in finland, all of our banks use two-factor auth |
| 19:26.52 | Shirik | Kesava: I've like triple-checked it |
| 19:27.06 | Shirik | I'm still not going through with it, but point is, why do they even think this is a good idea |
| 19:27.15 | Shirik | stuf_: I imagine it's only for certain banks |
| 19:27.27 | zenzelezz | Shirik: sounds like the banks could use a better login scheme then |
| 19:27.33 | Shirik | yes, I agree |
| 19:27.40 | zenzelezz | here you basically need an authenticator |
| 19:27.46 | Shirik | I'm not aware of any US banks that have two-factor authentication |
| 19:27.55 | Shirik | actually I take that back |
| 19:28.03 | Shirik | bank of america has a really crappy implementation of it for some of their credit cards |
| 19:28.48 | Fisker | why Shirik ? |
| 19:29.22 | stuf_ | but yeah, sounds legit as hell |
| 19:29.46 | stuf_ | on the same tier as give facebook your e-mail adress and password to check if any of your contacts are reg'd |
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| 19:37.15 | Semlar | linkedIn does that |
| 19:38.15 | Semlar | it's really quite insidious |
| 19:38.24 | Amarande | heh, linkedin does what? |
| 19:38.44 | Semlar | they will access your email account and go through your contacts if you let them |
| 19:39.03 | Amarande | linkedin asks you to share your email account password with them? |
| 19:39.14 | Semlar | pretty sure |
| 19:39.21 | Semlar | i don't remember the setup process |
| 19:39.25 | Amarande | is that even permitted by the terms of service of email providers? |
| 19:39.50 | Amarande | usually most things you register for online say "by the Light and by my hope of salvation and rebirth I promise never to share this account with another person" |
| 19:40.06 | Kesava | considering they have APIs to let them do that without actually having the password, i would imagine not |
| 19:40.10 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.30 | Amarande | I know there was a big row about it in recent years because some employers were trying to demand the facebook passwords of applicants so that their non-public communications could be evaluated by HR |
| 19:40.35 | Dagmar | I would suggest *never* giving LinkedIn access to your email stuff |
| 19:40.40 | Semlar | god no |
| 19:40.47 | Semlar | linkedin spreads like a virus |
| 19:40.54 | Amarande | and complying with said requests, is apparently a violation of facebook's TOS |
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| 19:41.21 | Dagmar | I wound up getting email from them five times in the last two months because of people installing their Android app, and not knowing hidden in the T&C that installing the app lets them pillage your address book and email *all* of your contacts |
| 19:41.22 | viktorwk1997 | hi |
| 19:41.26 | Dagmar | Fuck LinkedIn. |
| 19:41.30 | Semlar | hello |
| 19:42.03 | Amarande | mind you, this is the internet |
| 19:42.09 | Amarande | you will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy :) |
| 19:42.35 | Amarande | speaking of which, don't forget it's star wars day tomorrow :) |
| 19:43.20 | Semlar | i have jury duty on cinco de mayo |
| 19:45.33 | Amarande | oh, that reminds me, don't we need to get that giant vat of Hellmann's handy. so we can throw all the fools who call it "sinko de may-oh" in it :D |
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| 19:58.37 | viktorwk1997 | were can i farm mote of fire |
| 19:58.41 | viktorwk1997 | ? |
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| 20:00.39 | Amarande | motes ... those are the 300-375 level ones right? |
| 20:01.21 | Amarande | try the plateau in the northern part of hellfire peninsula (area where Kazzak hangs out, if he's actually alive on your server, which is like, once in a blue moon ROFL) |
| 20:01.25 | Amarande | there's lots of fire elementals there |
| 20:01.46 | viktorwk1997 | http://www.wowhead.com/item=22574 |
| 20:02.27 | Amarande | aright. just making sure you aren't confusing motes with crystalliseds or livings or any of the other various elementalish itemy thingies |
| 20:02.35 | Amarande | yeah. try the plateau near kazzak |
| 20:02.47 | viktorwk1997 | okey |
| 20:03.25 | viktorwk1997 | some site saying that elemantal plateau in nagrand is good |
| 20:03.27 | Shirik | i wish all 404 pages were this well done http://i.gyazo.com/03fbde5b942b87f279da56377ae3f5e8.png |
| 20:03.29 | Amarande | which reminds me, it's been like years since I've even seen Kazzak at all LOL |
| 20:03.43 | Amarande | I'm guessing I'd have to log on early Tuesday afternoon to catch sight of him nowadays heh |
| 20:12.13 | Amarande | how often does kazzak respawn, anyway? heh |
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| 20:21.36 | Arrowmaster | people still kill him? |
| 20:21.51 | Arrowmaster | and i thought the timer was independent of server restarts |
| 20:22.54 | Primer | jleclanche: pong |
| 20:22.59 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: I wondered if maybe it was a once a week thing |
| 20:23.01 | jleclanche | Primer: you work at gearbox right? |
| 20:23.05 | Primer | no |
| 20:23.11 | jleclanche | hm, who am I thinking of? |
| 20:23.16 | Primer | not me |
| 20:23.16 | Amarande | it's certainly a super slow respawn at any rate ... not like world bosses in say SW:TOR which seem to respawn every hour or two |
| 20:23.25 | jleclanche | Parnic: was it you? |
| 20:23.32 | Amarande | and yeah, apparently people do still kill him |
| 20:23.47 | Amarande | because every now and then I go out to his plateau to farm motes of fire, like I just suggested to viktor to do |
| 20:23.51 | Amarande | and he's NEVER there |
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| 20:24.49 | Arrowmaster | jleclanche: its Parnic |
| 20:25.57 | Amarande | I'm going to guess that at 90 he must be silly easy to solo |
| 20:25.59 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: i dont know about TBC kazzak but vanilla kazzak was on a strict timer from the last time he was killed so if you didnt kill him last or watch who killed him last you wouldnt know when he spawned |
| 20:26.15 | Amarande | so when he's up, people probably just kill him out of hand when they're up there to farm other things, like motes |
| 20:27.28 | Amarande | since there's still a few things people need *those* for, at any rate |
| 20:28.19 | Amarande | like the gyro-balanced khorium destroyer for mog, also I can't think of any efficient way to go from 340-350 leatherworking that doesn't involve some or other primal element and fire is one of the easier ones to get in quantity |
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| 20:40.53 | Amarande | actually I can see a reason to kill Kazzak directly these days, too |
| 20:41.10 | Amarande | void crystals have gained in value since 5.4, I would think |
| 20:45.43 | jleclanche | ehhh? |
| 20:45.54 | Amarande | jleclanche: because of the enchants all being scaling now |
| 20:45.54 | jleclanche | why would theyve gained in value? they were like, 10 silver each |
| 20:45.59 | Amarande | so you can do things like heirloom mongoose |
| 20:46.07 | jleclanche | what do you mean "now" |
| 20:46.12 | jleclanche | was WoD released yet |
| 20:46.17 | Amarande | whereas previously, BC enchants had lost their luster, and you couldn't even heirloom them before 5.4 because of the level 35 requirement |
| 20:46.18 | jleclanche | how long did i sleep? |
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| 20:46.30 | Amarande | jleclanche: enchant scaling was 5.4 |
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| 20:48.00 | Amarande | heh, though it's also why I'm not 100% sure how much things like mongoose have really gained for heirlooms, though |
| 20:48.06 | zenzelezz | enchants scale? Finally we will see the return of Fiery Weapon |
| 20:48.15 | Amarande | zenzelezz: no, we see the death of fiery weapon :S |
| 20:48.40 | Amarande | because elemental force has proven to be more powerful at a given level :) |
| 20:48.45 | Gnarfoz | jleclanche: long enough for him to drop from your ignore list |
| 20:49.09 | Amarande | also, I'm not sure enchants ever scale *up* |
| 20:49.32 | Amarande | they do scale down though and can all be used from get-go, no more level 35/60/ilvl300 etc. requirement |
| 20:52.37 | Amarande | it's nice though since elemental force is cheap and massively powerful |
| 20:52.59 | Amarande | cheap enough that you can even reasonably afford to level with it without even absolutely needing heirlooms, at that |
| 20:53.33 | jleclanche | Gnarfoz: Amarande has never been in my ignore list |
| 20:53.35 | jleclanche | Gnarfoz: Sadly. |
| 20:53.59 | Kalroth | ignore is rude |
| 20:54.01 | Gnarfoz | do you see the error of your ways? |
| 20:54.21 | zenzelezz | I'm surprised we've not heard anything from Kalroth in some time |
| 20:54.23 | Amarande | Kalroth: maybe not in and of itself ... harping on about how you have someone on ignore is rather uncouth though :S |
| 20:54.46 | Amarande | myself, I hate to use it because I don't like the chaotic fragmented mess that conversations can end up looking like when you use it |
| 20:54.47 | jleclanche | The only one that managed to get on my ignore list, ever, is Jamash. and it keeps resetting itself so I gave up with that. |
| 20:55.38 | Amarande | about the only time I've used it lately personally is on Republic side on SW:TOR, heh |
| 20:55.42 | Kalroth | i try to ignore as many as possible, because then i tend to be more correct |
| 20:56.01 | Kalroth | and i'll ignore you if you disagree |
| 20:56.24 | Kalroth | or if you play(ed) alliance in wow |
| 20:57.03 | jleclanche | I played alliance on Kalroth's server, so I'm fine talking about his really tiny penis and he won't know |
| 20:57.17 | Kalroth | cursed |
| 20:57.44 | Kalroth | aha, i found a flaw in your statement - if you're really alliance, how can i read what you write |
| 20:57.48 | Kalroth | zug zug |
| 20:57.59 | Amarande | Kalroth, this statement is false |
| 20:58.17 | Kalroth | Amarande: so is this |
| 20:58.29 | jleclanche | Amarande: by adding a subject to your sentence you close the potential loophole in it |
| 20:58.45 | jleclanche | the potential being that Kalroth is false |
| 20:59.05 | Amarande | and *only* Republic side, mind you. I've also pretty much decided on Republic side that I only do group stuff for world heroics or, mostly, with friends |
| 20:59.09 | jleclanche | in python that makes sense because he's equal to None. Zero. Nothing. His string is empty. |
| 20:59.15 | Kalroth | :( |
| 20:59.16 | zenzelezz | and as if on queue, the next battle I start in World of Tanks, someone goes "lok tar ogar!" |
| 20:59.22 | Amarande | because dungeon finder groups on Empire side are cool but dungeon finder groups on Republic side have too many jerks :S |
| 20:59.27 | Kalroth | does python have null or nil |
| 20:59.32 | jleclanche | we have None |
| 20:59.32 | Neffi | > function toboolean(val) return not not val end; print(toboolean(Kalroth)) |
| 20:59.43 | Neffi | oh, luabot's gone again |
| 20:59.46 | Kalroth | so none is null |
| 20:59.53 | jleclanche | None is null |
| 21:00.05 | Kalroth | Null is None |
| 21:00.27 | Arrowmaster | so None is None |
| 21:00.32 | Amarande | actually come to think of it the superiority of the red team is evident in WoW, too |
| 21:00.46 | Amarande | dungeon finder groups on Horde side seem to be manifestly superior to ones on Alliance side |
| 21:01.30 | Neffi | anecdotal evidence is not evidence |
| 21:07.50 | Shirik | in Lua, by default, None and Null are both nil |
| 21:07.54 | Shirik | Lua wins |
| 21:08.22 | zenzelezz | hardly |
| 21:08.28 | zenzelezz | almost everything is nil by default |
| 21:08.39 | Shirik | does not make my statement untrue |
| 21:08.55 | zenzelezz | does not make it right either |
| 21:09.05 | Shirik | None and Null are both nil by default |
| 21:09.07 | Shirik | this is a true statement |
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| 21:10.08 | Amarande | it's a good and an annoying practise all rolled together in one, heh |
| 21:10.26 | Amarande | the good thing about nil is you don't introduce random logic errors via random uninitialised data being read and used |
| 21:11.10 | Amarande | the bad thing about nil is that you have to specifically account for it in coding or you will get actual error messages, whereas in a language like C the program will just chug along happily |
| 21:12.02 | Neffi | print( _G[nil], 'what?' ) |
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| 21:17.53 | Semlar | prints neffi |
| 21:19.24 | Arrowmaster | somebody claimed to be a wow mod author on a forum for another game and mentioned stuff that sounds more like cheats than addons, i hope i dont get banned for calling him out on it |
| 21:19.36 | Arrowmaster | was highly offtopic |
| 21:19.52 | Semlar | you don't need to derail it further though |
| 21:20.07 | Arrowmaster | but im an asshole, what else am i going to do |
| 21:20.24 | Semlar | well i suppose you have to keep up appearances |
| 21:21.46 | Sajaki | bbDKP 1.3.0.2 was released : https://www.bbdkp.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3144 |
| 21:21.57 | Sajaki | https://www.bbdkp.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3144 |
| 21:27.28 | zenzelezz | so there's this Norwegian computer game show called Level Up. They do an occasional stream that they call "Level Upcast". I know it's about games, but all I hear is pointer casting |
| 21:27.52 | Shirik | at least it's safe to upcast |
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| 21:34.53 | g0urra | wat |
| 21:34.58 | Jamash | Amarande: I don't call C's willingness to treat uninitialized memory as valid data a positive |
| 21:35.12 | Jamash | cf heartbleed |
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| 22:10.45 | viktorwk1997 | bye |
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| 22:19.03 | Arrowmaster | !ping |
| 22:19.04 | Arrowmaster | ~ping |
| 22:19.04 | purl | ~pong |
| 22:20.42 | g0urra | ~ding |
| 22:20.42 | purl | dong |
| 22:28.57 | Shirik | Friend on Facebook: "Does anyone know how to remove stereos from cars? I need to junk my car but I want my stereo." |
| 22:29.00 | Shirik | Top response: "Park it at Georgia Tech" |
| 22:31.15 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 22:32.14 | Dagmar | Tell yer friend to check YouTube |
| 22:32.36 | Amarande | heh, that's probably a useful skill to have |
| 22:32.48 | Amarande | then you can upgrade your stereo when you get a new ride without having to pay Geek Squad to do it |
| 22:33.05 | Dagmar | Yeah strangely there's people on YouTube both trying to show videos on how to do it, and to still (somehow) keep it a secret |
| 22:33.32 | Dagmar | It'll come down to two things. Either there'll be 2-4 little screws, or you'll need to make some "spoons" |
| 22:34.13 | Dagmar | I had three people who suddenly needed my help along those lines once I figured out how to make the spoons out of some beer cans |
| 22:34.50 | Dagmar | Its like using a pair of slimjims on your radio |
| 22:35.30 | Dagmar | cuz yeah, there is no point in paying Geek Squad to do it if your wiring harness already fits the radio |
| 22:36.21 | Neffi | people pay Geek Squad to do anything? |
| 22:36.35 | Dagmar | Ignorance is expensive |
| 22:36.59 | Neffi | Knowing meta skills like how to teach yourself basic skills via books and the internet is invaluable |
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| 22:37.27 | Amarande | Neffi: well, car radio changing skills seem to be closely guarded |
| 22:37.31 | Neffi | And for the complex stuff, I'd rather trust a little podunk computer shop or a friend of a friend than Geek Squad -- but maybe that's because I know enough not to have to |
| 22:37.35 | Amarande | probably because it's seen as a skill that thieves will exploit too readily :S |
| 22:38.07 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 22:38.12 | Amarande | it's just like all the crap we deal with in software, to protect from "an attacker can this, an attacker can that, an attacker can everything GAH" |
| 22:39.06 | Neffi | Meh. I bet it can be easily figured out |
| 22:39.15 | Amarande | heh ... if the world is a chessboard, we're practically the Black side in that one QGD game between Marshall and Capablanca in the 1909 match LOL |
| 22:39.41 | Neffi | There's a thousand million terrible guides on lockpicking that try to take that approach, but a clever Google search comes up with one of the most comprehensive and awesome lockpicking guides I've ever seen, including a rundown of every type of security pin |
| 22:39.49 | Amarande | well, except Capa won that one, while we're stuck eternally guarding from attack and attack :S |
| 22:39.51 | Neffi | You just have to know how to search effectively |
| 22:41.41 | Dagmar | It helps to be unafraid of using a hand drill |
| 22:42.11 | Dagmar | Get a unit that screws in, then drill out the screw heads before you put the caps back on |
| 22:42.14 | Amarande | heh, people are afraid of using a hand drill? |
| 22:42.30 | Amarande | can't see why, unless you're doing something like making a liquor bottle lamp |
| 22:42.31 | Dagmar | They get wild-eyed about doing what I just suggested to their new stereo with one |
| 22:43.03 | Dagmar | ...but, it definitely makes a stero theif's job a real bitch if the screws are ruined and need to be tapped out |
| 22:43.32 | Amarande | heh, torque out the screw heads, nice |
| 22:43.38 | Dagmar | Exactly |
| 22:43.41 | Neffi | I was gonna say it's trivial to tap them out. But then again, a thief is getting in and out, sans equipment |
| 22:44.02 | Dagmar | Yep. They'll have a spoon tool or a screwdriver and that's about it |
| 22:44.25 | Dagmar | They won't be prepared with the little tapping head needed to grab a screw that's been stripped |
| 22:44.48 | Neffi | unless you happen to keep one in the back seat |
| 22:44.51 | Neffi | ;) |
| 22:45.00 | Dagmar | Then they'd need to know how to use it |
| 22:45.21 | Dagmar | ...and it beats the hell out of using red lock-tite |
| 22:47.07 | Dagmar | i'm just patiently waiting for someone to make either a _decent_ double-DIN android unit... or a mount for a damn Nexus 7. |
| 22:47.41 | Shirik | what's wrong with loctite :( |
| 22:47.49 | Dagmar | The red stuff is permanent |
| 22:48.17 | Shirik | we use loctite on our aircraft sometimes |
| 22:48.25 | Dagmar | blue is great |
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