| 00:00.38 | Semlar | more importantly, my dbc viewer refuses to open achievement_criteria.dbc |
| 00:00.54 | Neffi | oh i'll be there |
| 00:01.13 | Semlar | invalid fieldsize: 4.17391304347826 |
| 00:01.29 | Semlar | that can't be a good sign |
| 00:02.27 | Semlar | my python script can parse it but it appears to be incomplete |
| 00:02.50 | Semlar | there are criteria in game i can look up with the api that isn't in the file |
| 00:03.57 | Semlar | i'm probably just doing something wrong |
| 00:04.11 | Semlar | i should try exporting it as a csv file |
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| 00:11.49 | Amarande | Semlar: you didn't manage to get out of jury duty? |
| 00:12.07 | Amarande | actually, personally I serve gladly when the state calls me, but end up having to claim hardship for federal, sadly |
| 00:12.10 | Semlar | i want to go |
| 00:12.51 | Amarande | but that's because the state court is actually local |
| 00:12.51 | Semlar | says right here they'll give me a whole $15 for it! |
| 00:13.21 | Neffi | Cheap of them |
| 00:13.25 | Amarande | the nearest federal court is halfway across the state, and being that I don't drive and jury duty is always in the morning, I'd practically have to take a bus down and pay for a hotel room to spend the night to be able to make the time :S |
| 00:13.26 | Neffi | I got $40 per day when I went |
| 00:13.41 | Semlar | it's $15 a day here |
| 00:13.50 | Neffi | that's below federal min wage. |
| 00:13.53 | Neffi | by a lot |
| 00:14.06 | Semlar | yes well evidently my time isn't worth anything |
| 00:14.10 | Amarande | Neffi: maybe if you actually have to do anything, heh |
| 00:14.40 | Amarande | in practise, you show up, you sit and read a book (physical books only please, gotta leave your cell phone with the doorman) and watch tv for an hour or two |
| 00:14.51 | Neffi | I didn't get selected. So I got $40 for sitting in a room for a couple hours, not even the full time. Good stuff |
| 00:15.00 | Amarande | then they come out and tell you they don't need any of you, go home, thanks for coming, heh |
| 00:15.20 | Semlar | the last time i went they turned us away before there was even any selection |
| 00:15.40 | Amarande | hm, last time I went ... I think I got there at 9AM and was already out and at the diner across the street for breakfast at 10:30 |
| 00:15.55 | Semlar | like they literally just told us to go home when we got there |
| 00:16.05 | Amarande | I'm actually surprised the Connecticut federal courts don't have a severe issue getting jurors these days, though |
| 00:16.06 | Semlar | the trial got rescheduled or something |
| 00:16.17 | Amarande | you'd think they'd be more adamant about getting people like me to go down to Bridgeport and serve |
| 00:16.40 | Amarande | given Connecticut's fucking around with driver's licence/ID policy because they apparently don't like the Real ID act |
| 00:17.07 | Amarande | basically, state legislature decided they didn't like how much paperwork the feds demanded states demand for ID |
| 00:17.33 | Semlar | they're moving over to bnet in connecticut? |
| 00:17.34 | Amarande | so they came up with this SelectCTid act crap where you can either bring the federally mandated paperwork and get a full-scale ID |
| 00:17.59 | Amarande | or you can bring less paperwork, but then you get what I like to call "ID lite" where it's stamped with "NOT FOR FEDERAL IDENTIFICATION" |
| 00:18.26 | Semlar | isn't that what your id is for |
| 00:18.37 | Semlar | what's the point of an ID you can't use for federal identification |
| 00:18.40 | Amarande | to further drive their annoying activism home, apparently they give financial incentive to take the "ID lite" as well, i.e. the fees are lower |
| 00:18.49 | Amarande | Semlar: well I suppose you can use it to buy beer still, heh |
| 00:18.53 | Amarande | or drive |
| 00:19.08 | Semlar | what if you get pulled over |
| 00:19.27 | Amarande | also the "real ID act" is the name, as I remember, of the federal law that was passed in the aughties to tighten up the documentation requirements for ID post 9/11 |
| 00:20.02 | Amarande | *anyway*, one of the notable things is, if you have ID Lite, that actually literally means you're no longer in the federal jury pool unless you've got a passport, heh |
| 00:20.14 | Amarande | because you won't be able to enter the courthouse to serve because you don't have an acceptable form of ID |
| 00:20.26 | Amarande | which means you'd think they'd be trying harder to get folks like me who *do* have a usable ID to go, heh |
| 00:20.57 | Amarande | (I certainly can't use ID Lite, because I use my state ID to fly, and you need federally valid ID for TSA) |
| 00:20.58 | Semlar | signing up for selective service (which is mandatory) put me in the jury pool |
| 00:21.24 | Neffi | signing up for selective service (which is mandatory) <- what? |
| 00:21.28 | Amarande | I'm not sure what got me in the jury pool ultimately ... either selective service or voter registration, I suppose |
| 00:21.30 | Semlar | ^_^ |
| 00:21.33 | Neffi | I'm turning 24 and I dont think I signed up for that |
| 00:21.42 | Semlar | i can almost guarantee you signed up without knowing it |
| 00:21.44 | Amarande | but it was several years after that before I was actually called for either court |
| 00:21.47 | Neffi | ah, ok |
| 00:21.56 | Semlar | either in highschool or when you got your license |
| 00:22.05 | Amarande | Neffi: if you're male and don't sign up for selective service, apparently you become ineligible for many federal things |
| 00:22.06 | kd3 | or if you got any financial aid |
| 00:22.09 | Neffi | coughs. Maybe not |
| 00:22.21 | Neffi | Amarande: Sexism at its finest |
| 00:22.25 | Amarande | basically you can't get federal financial aid for college at all without it, and I think you might not be able to work in a federal government job either |
| 00:22.46 | Amarande | Neffi: I'm sure requiring women to register will be next, now that they've decided they can do combat duty |
| 00:22.51 | Neffi | Now I have a valid reason to politically protest service: it's sexist. Hello, Canada. |
| 00:23.11 | Amarande | though the ridiculous thing is that they still HAVE draft registration |
| 00:23.23 | Amarande | I mean, it would be basically political suicide these days for the government to actually *institute* a draft |
| 00:23.53 | Amarande | start a draft? yippee, then next election you get to be known as "the guy who started up the draft again" |
| 00:23.58 | Neffi | political suicide? not if everyone's on board with it |
| 00:24.09 | kd3 | moreover the pentagon has vehemently opposed one for some time |
| 00:24.31 | Semlar | sure, as long as they continue not needing it |
| 00:24.34 | Amarande | ... right during the time frame when a huge percentage of your active voter base (Sr citizens and people soon to be same) grew up with the LAST draft |
| 00:24.44 | Amarande | ... yeah, that would work out REALLY well for anyone's reelection hopes :P |
| 00:26.25 | Amarande | Semlar: the senior vote is too valuable, and the baby boomers, same demographic who either went to Vietnam or held up anti-draft posters in the streets, are retiring around now. it'll be decades before they can politically afford to even consider it now. |
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| 00:28.18 | Gnarfoz | haha kd3, keeping Gurg honest |
| 00:28.31 | kd3 | ? |
| 00:28.52 | Gnarfoz | or maybe I'm wrongly assuming you have any kind of control over the @wowpedia twitter account |
| 00:28.59 | kd3 | oh, yeah, that was me |
| 00:30.51 | TC-Work | Gah, djano is going to kill me. |
| 00:30.55 | TC-Work | django* |
| 00:31.04 | jleclanche | the framework or the badass? |
| 00:31.09 | Gnarfoz | the d is silent, not the g, man |
| 00:31.09 | TC-Work | framework. |
| 00:31.25 | jleclanche | why? |
| 00:32.04 | TC-Work | Because it is quite a bit easier w/o it. |
| 00:32.13 | jleclanche | what are you trying to do? |
| 00:32.53 | TC-Work | At the moment I am trying to call a page from js to render as html in a tooltip but it simply displays the code. |
| 00:33.07 | TC-Work | And I don't even know how to search for that |
| 00:33.40 | jleclanche | TC-Work: pass content_type="application/javascript" to render() |
| 00:33.54 | airtonix | no you misunderstand jleclanche |
| 00:34.07 | jleclanche | your face misunderstands |
| 00:34.13 | airtonix | he's simply oing $.load url, (data) -> |
| 00:34.14 | TC-Work | I'm not doing it through the views |
| 00:34.19 | airtonix | wat? |
| 00:34.34 | TC-Work | Yea "$.post("{{ STATIC_URL }}mysql.py", {queryString: ""+inputString+""}, function(data){" that |
| 00:34.41 | airtonix | no! |
| 00:34.48 | airtonix | wat? no! |
| 00:34.51 | airtonix | rages |
| 00:35.00 | jleclanche | I dont understand what that does |
| 00:35.12 | airtonix | why are you posting to a python file? |
| 00:35.13 | Gnarfoz | I haven't even ever used django, but that looks wrong |
| 00:35.14 | TC-Work | I can't call pages from JS to django, server vs client |
| 00:35.22 | airtonix | django doesn't do file extensions on routes |
| 00:35.23 | jleclanche | you're posting to mysql.py (what?), with an inputString |
| 00:35.27 | airtonix | it does, but why! |
| 00:35.37 | jleclanche | airtonix: one thing at a time |
| 00:35.51 | airtonix | $.post "/something/", payload |
| 00:35.52 | jleclanche | TC-Work: what is that page trying to achieve and who is serving it? |
| 00:36.01 | TC-Work | It was originally a php file, but that won't render properly either |
| 00:36.20 | jleclanche | TC-Work: where does "mysql.py" come from, is what I'm asking |
| 00:36.21 | airtonix | i suspect you're not setting up urls.py either |
| 00:36.26 | TC-Work | it's an auto-complete for a field that does a query to sql onkeyup |
| 00:36.48 | airtonix | also, you should be using a rest framework |
| 00:36.51 | TC-Work | I have urls.py working, I just didn't want to have to pass this through it. |
| 00:36.54 | jleclanche | one thing at a time, airtonix |
| 00:37.00 | TC-Work | since it would require more |
| 00:37.02 | airtonix | no! all the things at once! |
| 00:37.09 | TC-Work | it's in my templates folder |
| 00:37.12 | TC-Work | I am maping to it |
| 00:37.15 | TC-Work | properly. |
| 00:37.27 | airtonix | TC-Work: show us your urls.py |
| 00:37.40 | TC-Work | it's not in there |
| 00:37.41 | jleclanche | TC-Work: you can't "not pass this through it", url routes are the entry points to all views. Dealing with a python file directly requires CGI and that's not something you want in production, no matter what bugzilla says |
| 00:37.42 | airtonix | and the view that you want to post to |
| 00:38.21 | TC-Work | Like I said, I also have it in php form |
| 00:38.24 | TC-Work | same issue |
| 00:38.45 | jleclanche | TC-Work: you need to set up a proper view. there is no simpler way |
| 00:38.58 | airtonix | no views are simple! |
| 00:39.04 | TC-Work | I can set up the view, how do I call it from js? |
| 00:39.05 | airtonix | not using urls and views are complicated |
| 00:39.36 | airtonix | like he said. urls.py exposes paths that map to views |
| 00:39.49 | jleclanche | TC-Work: you just POST to it from js like you're doing, but on say something like /api/autocomplete_something/ or whatever |
| 00:40.15 | airtonix | i'll setup or find a runnable for you TC-Work |
| 00:40.24 | jleclanche | TC-Work: set up the view, bind it in urls.py to an endpoint in /api/, then in the view you deal with request.POST |
| 00:40.39 | jleclanche | TC-Work: you return what I'm guessing will be json. |
| 00:40.42 | TC-Work | Then I get [01/May/2014 00:40:23] "POST /last_day/sql HTTP/1.1" 404 2496 |
| 00:40.47 | TC-Work | 404 stuff |
| 00:40.55 | jleclanche | TC-Work: yes you do need to bind the view in urls.py |
| 00:41.31 | TC-Work | It's in urls |
| 00:41.41 | jleclanche | TC-Work: dpaste your urls.py please |
| 00:41.45 | TC-Work | unless bind means something specific |
| 00:41.52 | jleclanche | no thats what it means |
| 00:42.55 | TC-Work | Well I even tried something as simple as: |
| 00:42.55 | TC-Work | def sql(request): |
| 00:42.55 | TC-Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:42.55 | TC-Work | At least I assumed that would work |
| 00:43.09 | jleclanche | TC-Work: please, dpaste your urls.py otherwise i cant help |
| 00:43.25 | airtonix | http://runnable.com/me/U2GW3qLJZJk-ERIP |
| 00:43.34 | TC-Work | Onse sec, I have to filter out half of it |
| 00:44.03 | jleclanche | send it privately if you prefer |
| 00:45.10 | TC-Work | http://dpaste.com/3179CKB/ Is that good enough? |
| 00:45.25 | jleclanche | TC-Work: that is not your urls.py. please paste me your urls.py |
| 00:45.31 | jleclanche | views are not your entry point, urls are |
| 00:45.34 | TC-Work | yea that |
| 00:45.35 | Gnarfoz | that log line looks suspiciously like an apache log, are you sure it should even show up there, when you're doing some kind of view-...thing (i.e. your framework should end up handling both hits and misses, I wouldn't expect them to go through to your webserver) |
| 00:45.52 | jleclanche | TC-Work: is that your urls.py file? |
| 00:46.08 | TC-Work | http://dpaste.com/0D810V5/ |
| 00:46.09 | Sintacks | asdgjaosdfasdohi asdfadosijg asdf |
| 00:46.11 | TC-Work | That is |
| 00:46.16 | jleclanche | ok. |
| 00:46.19 | Sintacks | http://i.imgur.com/xEYvuAH.png |
| 00:46.24 | Sintacks | can't put channels in right frame |
| 00:46.26 | TC-Work | Gnarfoz: that's from pycharm |
| 00:46.26 | Sintacks | cuz that happens |
| 00:46.30 | Sintacks | the second after i reload UI |
| 00:46.53 | TC-Work | console output |
| 00:46.55 | Gnarfoz | TC-Work: I'll shut up, I have no idea what that is. :P adys knows this shit like the back of his hand anyway |
| 00:46.58 | jleclanche | TC-Work: /sql 404s? |
| 00:47.18 | jleclanche | er /sql/ |
| 00:47.38 | jleclanche | TC-Work: because i dont see a /last_day/sql/ in here |
| 00:48.20 | jleclanche | on line 15 you bind the view you want to /sql/. just change that to lastday/sql/ and make sure in js you do $.post("/lastday/sql/") |
| 00:49.17 | TC-Work | My bad, but even after fixing it, it still 404's |
| 00:49.28 | TC-Work | http://dpaste.com/3DJN4Z2/ that's whats calling it |
| 00:49.48 | jleclanche | you're posting to last_day but binding to lastday |
| 00:50.25 | TC-Work | Yea, that's the issue, I was moving back and forth between dev and live |
| 00:50.31 | TC-Work | now it's a 403 error though |
| 00:50.43 | jleclanche | well yes |
| 00:51.16 | jleclanche | TC-Work: get should work better for this. |
| 00:51.36 | TC-Work | easy enough |
| 00:51.37 | jleclanche | TC-Work: so just use $.get() and instead of dealing with post in your view, deal with get |
| 00:52.11 | TC-Work | Interesint, using get worked perfectly fine with no other changes |
| 00:52.25 | airtonix | so TC-Work. this is what you basically need : http://runnable.com/U2GW3qLJZJk-ERIP/output |
| 00:52.33 | airtonix | play with it here: http://runnable.com/U2GW3qLJZJk-ERIP |
| 00:52.43 | jleclanche | you do realize all these links are 404 airtonix |
| 00:52.44 | TC-Work | How come those links always fail for me? |
| 00:52.46 | TC-Work | for me* |
| 00:53.32 | jleclanche | TC-Work: also, for the love of timbl, when you're done with this stuff read up on http://rest.elkstein.org/ |
| 00:54.06 | TC-Work | I'm not sure that's needed since this is all internal |
| 00:54.46 | airtonix | try this |
| 00:54.47 | airtonix | http://runnable.com/U2GaMr7Yu5ZlZ0r-/simple-post-to-url-view-for-python-and-django |
| 00:55.48 | airtonix | it's quick and dirty, but the point is. you post to the registered routes. they map to a view. the view returns the data |
| 00:56.13 | airtonix | also, runnable.com is fucking amazing |
| 00:56.31 | TC-Work | When it works.... |
| 00:56.40 | airtonix | i wasn't logged in before |
| 00:56.44 | airtonix | that's the problem |
| 00:56.55 | airtonix | it also needs password recovery feature |
| 00:58.41 | TC-Work | Thanks guys |
| 00:59.31 | TC-Work | jleclanche: This is a sql call, does that change anything? |
| 00:59.42 | airtonix | you do your sql in the view. |
| 01:00.07 | TC-Work | And the render will wait till the return is done? |
| 01:00.24 | TC-Work | because I am getting a 500 error |
| 01:00.42 | airtonix | but like jleclanche said: if you want to work with ajax, ask yourself: does it need to be html ? can it just be json? do I need to manually craft the sql? can I use the ORM, which one saves me more time? |
| 01:01.40 | TC-Work | No, I don't want to work with ajax. I don't have much of a choice it would seem |
| 01:02.43 | jleclanche | TC-Work: yes, you do want to work with ajax |
| 01:02.50 | jleclanche | TC-Work: what you are doing is a bastardized ajax |
| 01:04.33 | TC-Work | Yes, but doing not bastardized ajax means learning it. |
| 01:05.06 | jleclanche | TC-Work: you're trying to fix a ferrari without knowing how a car starts |
| 01:05.23 | jleclanche | TC-Work: ajax isn't hard and you're already using it, you're just using it wrong |
| 01:05.40 | TC-Work | Tell me about it. |
| 01:06.16 | jleclanche | TC-Work: the proper way to do it: write a view that takes the request, checks the query in GET, looks in your models for what you want. You then return a json response which looks something like {"response": "The Autocomplete Result"}. |
| 01:06.44 | jleclanche | TC-Work: since you are using jquery, using $.ajax() instead of $.get() will automatically return a js array with that. |
| 01:06.57 | jleclanche | then you deal with that in js - theres nothing else to it |
| 01:07.30 | TC-Work | hardly 'nothing else' now I have to add more stuff into models as well |
| 01:07.50 | jleclanche | TC-Work: everything i just said is stuff you would have had to do anyway |
| 01:08.16 | jleclanche | TC-Work: django makes it hard to shoot yourself in the foot. all you're doing by skipping steps is doubling your workload. |
| 01:09.00 | jleclanche | (except you're aiming at your balls, not your feet, and when the gun doesn't work you just use the hilt to hit yourself with it) |
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| 01:22.47 | airtonix | TC-Work: http://jonblack.org/posts/django-ajax-class-based-views/ |
| 01:23.17 | airtonix | route > view > form > validation > businesslogic > response |
| 01:23.44 | airtonix | it's much easier to use a framework like TastyPie |
| 01:24.23 | airtonix | or even djangp-nap |
| 01:24.48 | TC-Work | I can only use what the server has, and I am not in charge of it. |
| 01:26.28 | airtonix | pip install django-tastypie, add it to installed apps.. bang done |
| 01:26.51 | airtonix | well more to it than that. but using other django modules is not about "i can only use what the server has"... |
| 01:27.01 | airtonix | it's not a system level package |
| 01:27.44 | airtonix | pretty much everything the django app uses shouldn't be a system level package. |
| 01:27.56 | airtonix | this isn't php |
| 01:31.01 | TC-Work | It's more about the fact that it is a different dept. that runs the server |
| 01:31.49 | airtonix | surely you can use the terminal? pip install stuff? even just drop it in a relative directory and add it to the path in the wsgi.py file |
| 01:32.08 | TC-Work | It's not about ability, it's about permission. |
| 01:32.58 | airtonix | you mean they don't care |
| 01:33.55 | TC-Work | I would have to request it |
| 01:39.34 | airtonix | i would recommend you at least have use of pip and git push. also, do all thos on your local machine |
| 01:40.09 | airtonix | vagrant is great for trialing this out if you don't want to install python on your desktop |
| 01:40.27 | airtonix | which i admit is a pain in the ass on windows and mac |
| 01:40.41 | TC-Work | Oh, I'm currently doing all this local |
| 01:40.59 | TC-Work | I just wish there was a super easy way to see passed data |
| 01:41.07 | Arrowmaster | jleclanche: im just about to finally watch ep3 |
| 01:41.26 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: yeah i watched it earlier. good as usual |
| 01:41.35 | airtonix | TC-Work: by "passed data" you mean the get and post data ? |
| 01:41.45 | TC-Work | Yes |
| 01:41.54 | jleclanche | TC-Work: request.GET, request.POST |
| 01:41.56 | Arrowmaster | dont have much time to do anything this week, everybody is pulling overtime at new job |
| 01:42.03 | kd3 | whatever the python equivalent of print_r($_REQUEST); is |
| 01:42.12 | airtonix | quiet php peasant |
| 01:42.22 | airtonix | begone with your unclean hedonism |
| 01:42.45 | jleclanche | kd3: there is no python equivalent to that because python is not a cgi language, its a general purpose language |
| 01:42.55 | jleclanche | there is a django equivalent and thats request.GET/POST |
| 01:42.56 | airtonix | also lol globals |
| 01:43.10 | Arrowmaster | lol magicquotes |
| 01:43.10 | kd3 | not just a global, it's a *super*global |
| 01:43.11 | jleclanche | airtonix: python has globals too... |
| 01:43.18 | jleclanche | superglobals too |
| 01:43.19 | airtonix | your face is global |
| 01:43.36 | jleclanche | __package__, __main__, etc |
| 01:43.40 | airtonix | sensibles |
| 01:43.56 | jleclanche | sure |
| 01:44.05 | jleclanche | but $_REQUEST as a global makes sense in a cgi language |
| 01:44.06 | airtonix | having request as a global is dumb |
| 01:44.12 | jleclanche | why? |
| 01:44.41 | airtonix | because |
| 01:44.55 | airtonix | dammit why do you have to be so serious |
| 01:45.54 | airtonix | ok, sure having everything global might be ok in a on request per process thing like php |
| 01:45.58 | airtonix | one* |
| 01:46.08 | jleclanche | in fact |
| 01:46.10 | jleclanche | thats how flask does it |
| 01:46.16 | jleclanche | from flask import request |
| 01:46.25 | jleclanche | (i find that insane but hey) |
| 01:46.37 | airtonix | yeah i don't use flask. yet |
| 01:46.44 | jleclanche | flask is *really* nice |
| 01:46.51 | airtonix | so is your mum |
| 01:47.00 | airtonix | sigh |
| 01:47.14 | jleclanche | I find myself using django in client projects and flask in personal projects |
| 01:47.22 | airtonix | because its small |
| 01:47.40 | TC-Work | I was perfectly happy with printing html from python pages, but noooooooooooooooo. I have to use the same things everyone else is using. |
| 01:47.44 | TC-Work | for one freakin page. |
| 01:47.56 | jleclanche | TC-Work: this is your setup ... |
| 01:47.57 | airtonix | perhaps you should use nodejs TC-Work |
| 01:48.10 | airtonix | or flask |
| 01:48.18 | airtonix | or something less opinionated |
| 01:48.34 | TC-Work | Nope, have to tap into the django shit. Otherwise it would be simple |
| 01:48.37 | TC-Work | and done for that matter |
| 01:48.43 | jleclanche | TC-Work: when you set up django, you use django. if your use case is "one python script that queries the db, no models nothing" you should have set up wsgi. |
| 01:48.50 | TC-Work | It is |
| 01:49.03 | jleclanche | wsgi as in a single wsgi script, not a full blown wsgi app |
| 01:49.04 | TC-Work | The single page works perfectly |
| 01:49.17 | jleclanche | TC-Work: so why are you changing it? what changed? |
| 01:49.18 | airtonix | whoosh |
| 01:49.42 | jleclanche | airtonix: its not really that... flask doesnt have the cute django orm but overall all you get is what you plug into it |
| 01:49.45 | TC-Work | I meant it works fine on our webserver as a stand alone thing |
| 01:49.49 | jleclanche | the admin is amiss but you dont necessarily need it |
| 01:50.00 | TC-Work | but my boss wants it tied in with the django server |
| 01:50.20 | jleclanche | TC-Work: so, tie it in with the django server |
| 01:50.23 | TC-Work | which means I am going to have to migrate all of my stuff over there at some point |
| 01:50.30 | TC-Work | which is what I am doing |
| 01:50.32 | jleclanche | are you trying to circumvent what your boss is asking you to do? not that im judging or anything |
| 01:50.50 | TC-Work | No, I'm trying to make it work with the dashboard and all that jazz |
| 01:50.57 | airtonix | you should just hire jleclanche to do this for you |
| 01:50.57 | jleclanche | well there you go |
| 01:50.59 | jleclanche | this is how you do it |
| 01:51.14 | TC-Work | I know that. I'm just saying it is a pain in the ass |
| 01:51.16 | jleclanche | airtonix: I'm not even sort of in his price range |
| 01:51.51 | TC-Work | That's what you think. |
| 01:52.16 | jleclanche | yeah |
| 01:52.36 | jleclanche | i did like blizzard, i kept increasing it until people weren't able to pay me anymore |
| 01:52.38 | jleclanche | AND I DOUBLED IT |
| 01:55.27 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:07.51 | karl_w_w | there aren't many better feelings than waking up without a headache having gone to sleep with one. |
| 02:08.38 | TC-Work | Sex? |
| 02:11.20 | karl_w_w | well that's different kind of good feeling, no headache is more fistpump-y |
| 02:14.12 | Semlar | sex is good but it's not the real thing |
| 02:15.34 | karl_w_w | if sex isn't the real thing what is? |
| 02:17.13 | Amarande | karl_w_w: Coca-Cola Classic |
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| 02:22.04 | TC-Work | For Semlar? Virtual Sex perhaps. |
| 02:22.12 | airtonix | nah. microsoft office is the real thing |
| 02:22.32 | airtonix | that shit never gets old |
| 02:25.23 | Wobin | sex can be fist-pumpy |
| 02:25.29 | Wobin | it all depends on what kinks you're into |
| 02:26.01 | TC-Work | Well tbh 'fist-pumpy' sounds like solo to me. |
| 02:27.50 | airtonix | lulwut? minecraft.com reset form uses GET |
| 02:28.09 | airtonix | i got a google search page result showing the password reset link for a user |
| 02:28.38 | airtonix | oh it doesnt anymore |
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| 02:29.40 | airtonix | https://mediacru.sh/FzCYinHxH0sz |
| 02:36.30 | airtonix | lol? attack of the beam? |
| 02:41.17 | TC-Work | jleclanche: Are you sure it's not possible to bypass the models file? I only want to query data, never submit and everything I see talks about syncdb. |
| 02:41.51 | jleclanche | TC-Work: you can directly talk to the db from your views yes. you probably dont want to but its possible |
| 02:42.03 | jleclanche | TC-Work: you would have to talk to your database engine directly.. |
| 02:42.17 | jleclanche | so thats like python-mysql, psycopg2 or something |
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| 02:42.23 | TC-Work | So not use cursor = django.db.connections['default'].cursor() ? |
| 02:42.27 | jleclanche | ya |
| 02:42.30 | TC-Work | Ok |
| 02:42.38 | jleclanche | TC-Work: are you querying django data? |
| 02:42.42 | jleclanche | or is this external data? |
| 02:42.52 | TC-Work | External existing sqldb |
| 02:42.58 | jleclanche | k |
| 02:43.10 | jleclanche | if it's external though django shouldnt be handling it, doesnt make sense to |
| 02:43.27 | airtonix | sqlalchemy ? |
| 02:43.38 | TC-Work | I just assumed it was for simplicity of connections |
| 02:43.45 | jleclanche | whatever works |
| 02:43.55 | jleclanche | it sounds to me like this shouldnt even be a django app |
| 02:44.03 | jleclanche | or should fully be one |
| 02:44.07 | jleclanche | not a mix of the two |
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| 02:44.50 | airtonix | yeah trying to go half way is a pain in the ass and a bad idea |
| 02:44.53 | TC-Work | How is this not fully one? |
| 02:45.12 | airtonix | because django should be managing your database schema |
| 02:45.24 | airtonix | not someone who doesn't understand MVC |
| 02:45.41 | airtonix | or whatever django is |
| 02:45.57 | airtonix | mvv |
| 02:46.33 | airtonix | reminds me of that bitcoin music startup that approached me |
| 02:46.57 | airtonix | "we are awesome, we use mysql workbench, but we want to use django" |
| 02:47.17 | airtonix | me "lol mysql" |
| 02:47.30 | airtonix | bai! |
| 02:47.42 | TC-Work | I find it interesting because almost all of the apps on the server are using this external existing db. |
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| 02:48.27 | airtonix | if it's a shared db, then I would personally be creating a restful interface for it that all the other apps including your django app consume |
| 02:48.42 | airtonix | then in my django app i'd use the requests package to easily consume it |
| 02:48.50 | airtonix | through tastypie or some such |
| 02:49.56 | airtonix | normally the reason why you want django to manage the life cycle of your database, is that you can then use South for schema and data migrations |
| 02:50.06 | airtonix | secondaly, so you can use the model ORM |
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| 02:51.08 | airtonix | sounds like there hasn't been a lot of planning involved in the infrastructure there TC-Work |
| 02:51.42 | TC-Work | It may be amazing and I just don't know what is going on. |
| 02:51.54 | TC-Work | It's quite possible. |
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| 02:55.36 | TC-Work | Anyways, home time. |
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| 03:40.31 | jleclanche | mitch0: We just released LXQt 0.6.99, a test release of our coming 0.7.0 release. 0.7 is scheduled for the 8th of May |
| 03:40.36 | jleclanche | or the 7th, whichever |
| 03:41.17 | jleclanche | mitch0: http://lxqt.org/downloads/0.6.99/ =) |
| 04:17.00 | Razernok | How to you show() the other 5 action bars. (past the default 5 blizzard already shows on the UI) |
| 04:20.09 | Semlar | what makes you think there are 5 more action bars |
| 04:20.47 | Razernok | bartender (and other action bar addons) can show the other 5 actions bars |
| 04:21.44 | Semlar | i'm fairly sure those addons are creating their own bars |
| 04:23.38 | Semlar | and while i'm not super familiar with the action bar system, i believe most of the extra action slots are used by things like stances and stealth |
| 04:25.03 | Semlar | like when you go into stealth, the action bar that replaces the main action bar uses up 12 of the available action slots |
| 04:25.37 | Semlar | it doesn't actually create a new bar though, it just changes what the existing action buttons do |
| 04:27.43 | Razernok | i gotta get the other 5 action bars |
| 04:38.08 | Neffi | Bartender creates new ones that mimic the default ones, assigned to the unused action slots |
| 04:40.49 | Razernok | I read that addons can't cast spells and that the spells must be down from the action bar. so a fake action bar won't work |
| 04:43.36 | Razernok | done from |
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| 04:44.43 | Semlar | addons can't automatically cast spells but you can create an action button that does something when it's clicked |
| 04:44.58 | Semlar | or bind keys directly to a spell |
| 04:45.46 | Razernok | but the addon is still the one thats casting the spell which isn't allowed by blizzard |
| 04:45.56 | Semlar | i see |
| 04:51.45 | Razernok | i just want to know how to show the other 5 action bars |
| 04:52.39 | Neffi | Razernok: you have two addon authors telling you that addons can indeed create action bars. I don't know where you came across information to the contrary |
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| 04:53.07 | Semlar | neffi he just wants to show the other 5 action bars |
| 04:53.18 | Neffi | chuckles |
| 04:53.36 | Neffi | Well, off to suck up 4 more gallons of water. Hopefully the torrential rains stop... eventually |
| 04:53.44 | Semlar | pandora has turned this station into nothing but irish drinking songs |
| 04:54.18 | Neffi | sounds like you need some irish drink |
| 04:54.28 | Razernok | There is only a total of 10 action bars, the default blizzard UI only shows the first 5. I want to show the other 5. |
| 04:55.10 | Semlar | let me put it this way, why would blizzard create 5 action bars that are never displayed |
| 04:55.26 | Razernok | for addon developers |
| 04:55.33 | Semlar | ah |
| 04:56.10 | Razernok | in case they need more than 5 |
| 04:58.49 | Semlar | wait, neffi are you in a boat? |
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| 05:02.43 | Razernok | Trying google, but I'm not finding the coding I need to show the other 5 actions bars |
| 05:03.40 | Semlar | well let me know if you find something |
| 05:03.48 | Razernok | I haven't |
| 05:12.08 | Neffi | Semlar: my basement seems to think so, and it's set on springing a leak |
| 05:12.38 | Semlar | that sounds wet |
| 05:13.01 | Neffi | Razernok: you're literally telling an addon developer that you know more about addon development than him. Hint: he's right |
| 05:13.20 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:13.35 | Razernok | I just want to show the extra action bars |
| 05:13.45 | Neffi | wat is this |
| 05:13.48 | Razernok | I know there's 10 in total |
| 05:13.55 | Neffi | Razernok: ugh. no there's not. go away |
| 05:14.01 | Semlar | now now |
| 05:14.07 | Semlar | you never know |
| 05:14.41 | Razernok | every action bar addon has 10 action bars. so yea there is |
| 05:14.49 | Neffi | hey semlar look at the date |
| 05:15.06 | Semlar | first of may |
| 05:15.21 | Semlar | you know what that means |
| 05:15.33 | Neffi | :D |
| 05:18.01 | Dagmar | Time to find a giant penis to dance around? |
| 05:18.23 | Semlar | i shouldn't think so |
| 05:24.12 | Dagmar | It's May Day after all |
| 05:24.26 | Dagmar | Whaddaya think a maypole is supposed to be? |
| 05:28.59 | Neffi | Americans dont know what a maypole is |
| 05:29.09 | Neffi | At least I dont think they do |
| 05:31.41 | Dagmar | Everyone who knew a wiccan girl well in college knows |
| 05:31.49 | Dagmar | they get kind of excited about it |
| 05:32.35 | Razernok | I really need to know how to Show() the extra action bars |
| 05:32.40 | Dagmar | It almost up there with 'how do you know someone's a vegan?' |
| 05:38.15 | Semlar | i'm afraid i'm not familiar with any witches |
| 05:38.29 | Thunder_Child | Oh yes you are. |
| 05:38.49 | Semlar | neffi!? |
| 05:39.06 | Thunder_Child | Wasn't what I was going for...but I'll allow it. |
| 05:43.08 | Neffi | casts a curse upon Semlar |
| 05:43.17 | Neffi | you're next, TC |
| 05:43.25 | Semlar | not again! |
| 05:43.37 | Thunder_Child | I have already been cursed, I'm in this channel.... |
| 05:43.45 | Semlar | that's hurtful |
| 05:43.55 | Semlar | some of us have feelings too |
| 05:43.59 | Thunder_Child | Curses aren't nice. |
| 05:44.05 | Razernok | grrr, I can't figure out the name of the extra action bars |
| 05:44.18 | Semlar | you might try looking through the framexml |
| 05:44.19 | Wobin | "Joe", "Pete" and "Irma" |
| 05:50.54 | Razernok | can't find it |
| 05:52.21 | Semlar | well i'm out of ideas |
| 06:03.53 | Razernok | anyone else know??? |
| 06:09.04 | Neffi | Razernok: I've told you already twice. There are not 10 action bars. There are no special hidden bars Blizzard made just to mess with you |
| 06:09.40 | Razernok | other action bar addons can show() them. so there is |
| 06:09.48 | Neffi | Most action bar addons have exactly 10 bars (of 12 buttons) because there happens to be 120 action slots recognized by the server, so that's the max amount they can provide you while having them behave like default action buttons |
| 06:10.26 | Neffi | I've been coding WoW addons for like 7 years now. Why are you finding it so difficult to trust the word of somebody in a development channel, about development? |
| 06:10.52 | Razernok | action bars are secure as addons aren't allowed to cast spells. meaning you can't simply make a button to act like an action bar button |
| 06:11.27 | Neffi | Yes you can. |
| 06:12.06 | Razernok | I know that for a fact as I remember seeing the patch where they stated that addons can no longer cast spells for the player. meaning you can't make a button to cast a spell |
| 06:12.06 | Neffi | You can't cast a spell, but there's a infrastucture in place for creating "secure" frames that the user can click, to perform these actions. Once again, I'm the developer telling you. This isn't a matter of debate |
| 06:12.31 | Neffi | http://wowpedia.org/SecureActionButtonTemplate |
| 06:15.52 | airtonix | casts dictionary |
| 06:16.27 | Razernok | blizzard made it awhile back so you can make addons that cast spells. like the one addon where players would simply click the same button the entire fight but the addon would cast the correct spell based on certain factors of what was happening in game. so blizzard made it impossible to have an addon cast spells. that means you can't make a new button that cast a spell when the player clicks it. you have to use action bars |
| 06:16.51 | Razernok | so you can't* |
| 06:17.05 | Neffi | bangs his head hard against the desk |
| 06:17.15 | Neffi | I'm done for tonight |
| 06:17.21 | airtonix | NO |
| 06:17.23 | airtonix | never done |
| 06:17.29 | airtonix | always work! |
| 06:17.35 | airtonix | whips Neffi |
| 06:17.41 | Neffi | oww. that hurt! |
| 06:17.45 | airtonix | MOVE! |
| 06:18.03 | Neffi | Ever hear of the emancipation proclamation!? |
| 06:18.10 | airtonix | <incoherent spanish ramblings> |
| 06:19.32 | airtonix | someone say you could sleep gringo? |
| 06:19.56 | Neffi | sneaks away real fast-like |
| 06:20.10 | airtonix | rages |
| 06:20.59 | Neffi | here. have a hamster eating a tiny burrito https://imgur.com/gallery/PVpzF |
| 06:21.16 | airtonix | i will hunt you down |
| 06:22.36 | Neffi | that would be illegal |
| 06:24.12 | Razernok | I just want to know how to show the extra action bars |
| 06:24.23 | airtonix | turn them on in the options |
| 06:25.13 | Razernok | I'm talking about past the 5 that blizzard shows in options |
| 06:25.29 | airtonix | oh ok |
| 06:25.35 | airtonix | i'd call blizzard and ask them |
| 06:25.40 | Razernok | Action Bars 6-10 |
| 06:36.19 | znf | Razernok, you somehow manage to get everyone pissed in every channel. |
| 06:36.20 | znf | Congrats. |
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| 06:37.26 | Razernok | I'm just trying to find out name of the damn extra action bars so I can show action bars 6-10 |
| 06:37.38 | znf | Just give up... |
| 06:40.11 | Razernok | I need to know so I can make my addon |
| 06:41.10 | znf | If you manage to make your addon by yourself in this years time, I'll chop off my own dick and eat it |
| 06:41.25 | Neffi | no znf! think of the trees! |
| 06:41.36 | znf | :D |
| 06:41.44 | Razernok | I know its possible to show action bars 6-10 since other addons have them |
| 06:42.07 | znf | learn to crawl before you run |
| 06:44.22 | Razernok | I'm only learning the things I need for my addon. |
| 06:46.23 | znf | which is... everything |
| 06:46.51 | Razernok | action bars is the main part of my addon so I need to know how to show action bars 6-10. No not everything is needed for my addon |
| 06:53.49 | airtonix | oh should be simple |
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| 06:55.16 | Razernok | I just can't figure out how to show action bars 6-10 |
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| 07:10.46 | nevcairiel | you can't just show the bars, they dont exist, you need to create them |
| 07:12.35 | Razernok | blizzard made it impossible awhile back so buttons can't cast spells. and the addon in general. blizzard said for a player to cast a spell you need to use the action bars show/Hide them. But you can't create new action bar buttons |
| 07:13.53 | Razernok | I remember seeing the patch |
| 07:14.11 | Neffi | Razernok: nevcairiel here is the author of Bartender, by the way |
| 07:24.43 | Razernok | I know Blizzard doesn't allow you to make button that can cast spells as addons aren't allowed to cast spells. |
| 07:26.24 | nevcairiel | I wonder how my addon works then. Must be magic. |
| 07:28.31 | Mr_Rabies | addons can cast spells with hardware input as far as i know, they just can't cast them without user interaction anymore |
| 07:29.08 | nevcairiel | If you setup a secure action button anyway, its not as trivial as calling CastSpellByName anymore |
| 07:29.18 | Razernok | Blizzard stated in one of their patches that addons can no longer cast spells whether from a button or not. |
| 07:29.21 | Mr_Rabies | however if the universe was as big as the earth, my addon knowledge would be like a quark |
| 07:31.09 | nevcairiel | You ask for how to do it, we told you - if you don't want to listen, you might as well leave, I don't really feel like convincing you that you can actually do it |
| 07:33.23 | Mr_Rabies | i believe the change you're talking about is from 2.0.1 |
| 07:33.34 | Mr_Rabies | and here's the info related to that here: http://wowpedia.org/Patch_2.0.1/API_changes |
| 07:33.44 | Mr_Rabies | "Spell casting and targetting (including focus) are only allowed using secure templates or special slash commands (not /script)." |
| 07:33.57 | Mr_Rabies | "Action buttons and targeting frames are now "protected". Protected frames cannot be programmatically moved, shown or hidden, or have their attributes (unit, action, etc) changed during combat." |
| 07:34.21 | nevcairiel | notice how it doesn't say impossible, it just adds restrictions on what you can do |
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| 07:36.11 | Mr_Rabies | the fact that bartender and dominos and almost every other action bar addon exist pretty much proves you can have addons cast spells |
| 07:37.37 | Razernok | spells can only be cast from protected frames meaning the action bars. action bars addons have 10 bars while the default UI has 5 meaning the default UI hides the extra 5 bars |
| 07:37.59 | nevcairiel | he is not going to start listening, is he |
| 07:42.05 | Mr_Rabies | for some reason i get you and cladhaire mixed up sometimes nevcairiel, i was thinking you wrote the wow ui modding books |
| 07:42.18 | nevcairiel | nope |
| 07:42.32 | nevcairiel | i helped a bit with the API documentation on the first, but thats about it |
| 07:42.37 | Mr_Rabies | i guess they're both vaguely elvish-sounding maybe feminine? fantasy character names |
| 07:42.54 | nevcairiel | he has long gone by jnwhiteh on the IRC though |
| 07:43.22 | Mr_Rabies | like i know you two as seperate online people but his real persona rolls between you two in my head sometimes |
| 07:43.43 | Mr_Rabies | i guess you've both been around forever and i use a buttload of both of your addons |
| 07:56.23 | znf | what a beautiful sunny day |
| 07:56.29 | znf | if I woul be a normal person, I would get out of the house! |
| 07:58.25 | Razernok | I just want to get the other 5 action bars. I just don't know the name of the frames |
| 07:59.53 | znf | why the fuck would you even need 10 fuckin' action bars |
| 08:00.05 | Mr_Rabies | i use 8 on my druid but yeah |
| 08:00.17 | Razernok | I want them in case the player wants/needs them |
| 08:00.36 | Mr_Rabies | well, 8 for combat then two for out of combat shenanigans like fishing |
| 08:00.51 | znf | Mr_Rabies, haaave you met OPie? |
| 08:00.53 | nevcairiel | a last time: unless you have an addon which creates them, they do NOT exist |
| 08:01.03 | Mr_Rabies | yeah znf |
| 08:01.16 | Mr_Rabies | i like it and use it (sorta) |
| 08:01.25 | Mr_Rabies | but, i just rarely have a chance to use it |
| 08:01.27 | znf | I have like 4 and half |
| 08:01.35 | Mr_Rabies | druid has way too many buttons |
| 08:01.39 | Mr_Rabies | i use like 3 bars at a time |
| 08:01.45 | Mr_Rabies | but each form has its own set of skills, etc |
| 08:02.06 | nevcairiel | i have 3 and a half for combat, the half is hidden and just holds a few spells for keybinding purposes, and one extra for some out of combat things |
| 08:02.40 | Mr_Rabies | i bind my important always gonna be used skills to 1-6, then shift 1-6 for bar #2, i really need only about 12 easily accessible ones |
| 08:02.48 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/XwKVjOk.jpg |
| 08:03.01 | Mr_Rabies | the rest i either click or do some hand stretches, depending |
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| 08:03.30 | znf | I basically use 3 action bars + 6 buttons on another one (only the left-3/right-3 are bound, the other spaces are mostly for ability swapping, depending on the talent I need during a fight) |
| 08:04.07 | airtonix | right |
| 08:04.11 | Mr_Rabies | i have macros galore, though |
| 08:04.19 | Mr_Rabies | and still use 4 action bars at any given time |
| 08:04.20 | airtonix | four yorkshiremen |
| 08:04.21 | znf | I also have another bar with only 4 buttons used, that is hidden in combat |
| 08:04.22 | airtonix | go! |
| 08:04.29 | Mr_Rabies | my main rotation is on a single macro |
| 08:04.31 | znf | (keeps flask, foot) |
| 08:04.37 | znf | s/foot/food/ |
| 08:04.42 | airtonix | i've got 6, that i use before i get up to go to sleep on the way to school |
| 08:04.51 | Mr_Rabies | got a bag o' feet, znf |
| 08:04.52 | airtonix | uphill |
| 08:04.55 | airtonix | both ways |
| 08:06.39 | airtonix | guess i win |
| 08:08.29 | Mr_Rabies | i'm definitely a person looking forward to button bloat removal |
| 08:08.41 | Mr_Rabies | i literally still have a button at level 90 that does... |
| 08:09.40 | Mr_Rabies | 700ish damage |
| 08:09.46 | Mr_Rabies | with a dot that ticks for 300ish |
| 08:09.53 | znf | which? |
| 08:09.57 | Mr_Rabies | moonfire, as a feral |
| 08:10.04 | Mr_Rabies | i dunno why we still have it to be honest |
| 08:10.04 | znf | heh |
| 08:10.05 | znf | why? :) |
| 08:10.13 | znf | well, you get to use it at 100! :D |
| 08:10.20 | nevcairiel | doesnt it even deshift you, seems kinda pointless |
| 08:10.26 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 08:10.30 | Mr_Rabies | it's on my caster form bar |
| 08:10.36 | Mr_Rabies | which rarely gets used |
| 08:10.49 | Mr_Rabies | cyclone, wrath, moonfire |
| 08:10.57 | znf | I'm regretting some abilities that go bye bye, though |
| 08:11.00 | Mr_Rabies | hurricane, hibernate |
| 08:11.14 | znf | I don't even have Shackle Undead on my bas |
| 08:11.15 | znf | bars |
| 08:11.32 | Mr_Rabies | here's my UI normally: http://i.imgur.com/UojkEaY.png |
| 08:11.42 | airtonix | before i look at it, its bad |
| 08:11.53 | Mr_Rabies | i put cenarion ward on my bar so you wouldn't wonder why i had an open hotkeyed slot on shift +2 :p |
| 08:12.05 | Mr_Rabies | i optionally use it or ysera's gift depending on fight |
| 08:12.35 | znf | pfft |
| 08:12.46 | znf | dynamic macros based on taletns! |
| 08:12.50 | znf | do it! |
| 08:12.53 | Mr_Rabies | eh |
| 08:12.54 | Mr_Rabies | too clunky |
| 08:12.57 | Mr_Rabies | not enough space |
| 08:12.59 | znf | nah, easy mode |
| 08:13.02 | airtonix | not enough redstone |
| 08:13.04 | Mr_Rabies | if it's too clunky for blizzard, too clunky for me |
| 08:13.12 | Mr_Rabies | also how can i make a macro for a passive ability :p |
| 08:13.20 | airtonix | oh you're one of those people |
| 08:13.31 | znf | Mr_Rabies, you don't |
| 08:13.35 | znf | let me show you :P |
| 08:13.37 | airtonix | i defer to the expertise of people who earn more money than me |
| 08:13.54 | Mr_Rabies | i defer to the expertise of people who know what they're doing at least |
| 08:13.57 | Mr_Rabies | i really don't |
| 08:14.05 | Mr_Rabies | my most advanced macro is basically a rotation ezmode button |
| 08:14.11 | airtonix | not with that attitude you won't |
| 08:14.19 | Mr_Rabies | (which occasionally breaks, so that's why i have shred and mangle on a later hotkey) |
| 08:14.31 | znf | Mr_Rabies, http://www.wowace.com/paste/9932/ |
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| 08:15.01 | Mr_Rabies | oh yeah nice and easy znf |
| 08:15.22 | Mr_Rabies | will all that even fit in 255 chars? :p |
| 08:15.49 | znf | snippet |
| 08:15.51 | znf | not a macro |
| 08:15.58 | Mr_Rabies | probably my most advanced macro is /castsequence reset=combat,target,8,alt Rake, Shred, Shred, Faerie Fire, Shred |
| 08:15.59 | znf | put it in its own addon |
| 08:16.03 | znf | or use devpad |
| 08:16.05 | znf | devpad is awesome |
| 08:17.43 | Mr_Rabies | i just drag the spell to the appropriate place as needed, takes like a second :p |
| 08:17.58 | airtonix | come on guy |
| 08:18.00 | Mr_Rabies | i've already gotta go through a weird slightly clunky process to change the talent anyway |
| 08:18.09 | airtonix | you'll never pass the salt at that rate |
| 08:18.10 | Mr_Rabies | might as well just drag it down to my action bar |
| 08:22.04 | Shirik | lmao |
| 08:22.10 | Shirik | someone stabilized this for the tail: http://imgur.com/gallery/Fh3VydH |
| 08:25.25 | Mr_Rabies | jesus, just scared the shit out of myself |
| 08:25.36 | Mr_Rabies | google signed me out and i thought my authenticator wasn't working to sign back in |
| 08:25.38 | Mr_Rabies | phew |
| 08:25.53 | Mr_Rabies | it was just doing some weird shit where it was trying to sign into my other gmail account despite clicking on the one i wanted to sign into |
| 08:26.01 | Mr_Rabies | and i was giving it the wrong codes |
| 08:28.58 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:29.14 | znf | ooo |
| 08:29.15 | znf | a potion! |
| 08:29.21 | znf | and you already had one! :o |
| 08:29.24 | znf | I haven't seen a 2nd potion |
| 08:29.35 | Semlar | it won't stop picking up regular potions |
| 08:29.37 | karl_w_w | ooh 40% off broken age |
| 08:29.49 | znf | I know |
| 08:29.50 | znf | I have one |
| 08:30.09 | Semlar | maybe one day |
| 08:30.21 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:30.22 | Mr_Rabies | "kicks" is my favorite rare random modifier on boots |
| 08:30.34 | Mr_Rabies | check out my "Killer Kicks", brah |
| 08:31.22 | Semlar | rapid kicks |
| 08:32.06 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:32.28 | Mr_Rabies | is torment 3 really that crazy with drops |
| 08:32.37 | Semlar | not really |
| 08:32.41 | Mr_Rabies | it's so weird |
| 08:32.48 | Semlar | the first two were torment 4 |
| 08:32.49 | Mr_Rabies | i loved diablo 3 at launch and think it's even better now |
| 08:32.54 | Mr_Rabies | but i haven't bought RoS yet |
| 08:33.08 | Semlar | that last one was a room full of treasure goblins |
| 08:33.20 | Mr_Rabies | back in 2002 i'd buy anything diablo in a heartbeat |
| 08:33.21 | Semlar | which is actually not that easy to kill |
| 08:33.43 | nevcairiel | i have trouble killing one goblin before he goes byebye |
| 08:33.47 | nevcairiel | on torment anyway |
| 08:33.51 | nevcairiel | those buggers are fast |
| 08:33.59 | Semlar | yeah there were like 13 of them |
| 08:34.08 | Semlar | i think a couple might have gotten away |
| 08:34.57 | Semlar | i don't know if i'm playing a crusader right because i do a billion damage |
| 08:35.19 | Semlar | and people have trouble keeping up with me |
| 08:35.30 | Semlar | and on the forum i see nothing but complaints about that stuff |
| 08:36.14 | Mr_Rabies | never really seen a problem with a bit of imbalance in classes in a non-competitive game |
| 08:36.30 | Semlar | i mean crusaders are complaining that they're too slow and weak |
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| 08:36.32 | Mr_Rabies | the goal should be balance, for sure, or people will just stack on the OP class |
| 08:36.53 | Mr_Rabies | but i think it's totally fine as long as they can play the game |
| 08:37.51 | nevcairiel | i'm mostly complaining that i have zero luck getting any useful drops |
| 08:37.54 | Semlar | as far as i can tell the only thing that matters is gear |
| 08:38.10 | Mr_Rabies | i was rolling in legendaries playing on my 60 monk |
| 08:38.18 | nevcairiel | i have decent yellow gear, but now i'm not finding any upgrades |
| 08:38.37 | Semlar | oh and you also need to have some idea of what stats you want on each piece |
| 08:38.49 | Semlar | so you know what to keep |
| 08:39.06 | Mr_Rabies | did you buy the best gear available on the AH before or something nevcairiel? |
| 08:39.20 | nevcairiel | this is at 70, no AH |
| 08:39.22 | Mr_Rabies | i avoided doing that other than weapons and i've gotten quite a few nice upgrades |
| 08:39.32 | Mr_Rabies | ah, okay, wasn't sure |
| 08:39.43 | Mr_Rabies | mine's at 60, but now post AH ofc |
| 08:39.50 | Semlar | i hadn't even played for like a year before the expansion came out |
| 08:40.38 | Semlar | i pretty much stopped playing a few months after release |
| 08:41.18 | Semlar | they made the game a lot better with RoS |
| 08:42.04 | Mr_Rabies | i guess not exactly rolling in legendaries lol http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/MrRabies-1207/hero/155294 |
| 08:42.24 | Mr_Rabies | my weapon is a video game, though |
| 08:42.59 | tz | sick of RoS now |
| 08:43.16 | nevcairiel | i wish loot was more gradual though, shortly after hitting 70 i got boat loads of great items which pushed me to damage with which i could do torment 1 pretty fast, but after that, not getting anything anymore |
| 08:43.20 | Mr_Rabies | really? what don't you like, i'm curious |
| 08:43.30 | tz | just same old shit now |
| 08:43.36 | tz | farming T3 is just boring |
| 08:43.50 | Mr_Rabies | i've avoided reading much about it because i liked base D3, and the complaints online were awful |
| 08:43.51 | tz | never get any upgrades |
| 08:43.53 | tz | etc .etc. |
| 08:43.59 | Mr_Rabies | ah |
| 08:44.14 | znf | I have 4 items on my WD that dropped in the 1st week of RoS |
| 08:44.20 | znf | and I still haven't found an upgrade for them |
| 08:44.24 | znf | I stopped bothering |
| 08:44.26 | tz | yeah I'm in the same boat |
| 08:44.33 | Mr_Rabies | well, you do have to consider it is a regular online RPG with no subscription/long term support like an mmo (though blizzard usually goes above and beyond for LTS for their traditional games) |
| 08:44.46 | tz | pretty much all my loot I got in the first week and then just got sick of the constant grind |
| 08:45.00 | Semlar | if you don't like grinding |
| 08:45.03 | Mr_Rabies | i got bored of act 5 runs in D2EXP before too too long as well |
| 08:45.07 | Semlar | diablo may not be for you |
| 08:45.12 | tz | clearly! |
| 08:45.17 | Mr_Rabies | adventure mode sounds like a ton of fun though |
| 08:45.26 | nevcairiel | for a week |
| 08:45.35 | Mr_Rabies | break up some of the monotony inherent in those games |
| 08:45.41 | tz | still wearing lvl60 hellfire ring / moonlight ward 'cause I haven't found anything better |
| 08:45.54 | znf | my pants are lvl68 |
| 08:46.04 | znf | I rolled them with +20% poison damage |
| 08:46.06 | Mr_Rabies | what about crafting better, tz? |
| 08:46.07 | znf | good luck ever changing that |
| 08:46.18 | tz | https://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Tzarc-6131/hero/888470 |
| 08:46.19 | znf | with the current drop rates for hellfire? |
| 08:46.20 | nevcairiel | i was wearing a 69 legendary shield for a long time, but eventually found something yellow |
| 08:46.20 | znf | ha |
| 08:46.26 | tz | find me something better to craft :P |
| 08:46.37 | znf | I feel like nothing's worth crafting |
| 08:46.53 | Mr_Rabies | there's always dark souls II, tz |
| 08:47.01 | tz | I know, I could play WoW! |
| 08:47.02 | znf | legendaries without special procs feel "meh" |
| 08:47.05 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:47.12 | Mr_Rabies | i totally want it but i've gotta limit myself |
| 08:47.25 | Mr_Rabies | also i'm a bit worried about performance, my video card is getting old |
| 08:47.28 | nevcairiel | Also, I really can't help but wonder how people get like a million damage. I can't find any upgrades now, and if i find one its like +5%, how the hell do i ever get to 1 million from my 350k or so |
| 08:47.40 | tz | I was actually contemplating making aughild's set, but I dunno if I cbf'd |
| 08:47.47 | tz | kinda need the set bonus ring beforehand |
| 08:47.49 | znf | I'm at something like ~737k DPS in game |
| 08:48.01 | tz | yeah I'm ~600 |
| 08:48.10 | Semlar | i don't even know what my damage is |
| 08:48.13 | znf | but I got +58% extra poison damage, which doesn't get calculate |
| 08:48.16 | znf | d |
| 08:48.31 | znf | ot to mention +damage on primary skill |
| 08:48.43 | tz | yeah I'm at +97% on arcane torrent |
| 08:48.53 | tz | including arcane bonus |
| 08:48.56 | znf | ah |
| 08:48.59 | znf | I was wondering how :D |
| 08:49.08 | znf | as max you can get is pretty much 45% I think? |
| 08:49.11 | znf | 15/15/15 |
| 08:49.12 | tz | just very few possible upgrades now that I've pigeonholed myself into arcane |
| 08:49.17 | Semlar | max is 30% |
| 08:49.17 | nevcairiel | i should've probably bought a couple billion gold on the AH before it shut down, so that I could at least enchant and gem without having to worry about my gold running out :p |
| 08:49.18 | tz | something along those lines, yeah |
| 08:49.34 | Semlar | i don't think you can get 3 pieces with a bonus to one ability |
| 08:49.41 | Semlar | well, maybe with an offhand |
| 08:49.45 | Semlar | i think they can roll with it |
| 08:49.57 | znf | Semlar, you can with an offhand, yeah :) |
| 08:50.04 | Mr_Rabies | i still don't know how wowwiki is ranked higher for most things than wowpedia |
| 08:50.05 | Mr_Rabies | it's bonkers |
| 08:50.07 | Semlar | you'd have to get a damn good offhand |
| 08:50.14 | nevcairiel | Mr_Rabies: because its older |
| 08:50.15 | tz | either way, the lack of possible upgrades that I can see atm is just not enticing enough for me to play |
| 08:50.26 | Mr_Rabies | you are, nevcairiel |
| 08:50.28 | Mr_Rabies | >:O |
| 08:50.37 | nevcairiel | wiser, too |
| 08:50.43 | Mr_Rabies | probably |
| 08:51.27 | znf | I have 15% on Acid Cloud from Feet, Offhand and Head |
| 08:51.38 | znf | and that cost me dearly in reforges :D |
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| 08:57.41 | Mr_Rabies | i took an iq test and they just sent this image back in lieu of a score http://thecomicbookreader.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/scan0008.jpg |
| 08:59.16 | znf | that's what you take for doing iq tests |
| 08:59.40 | nevcairiel | the term is "whats what you get", learn your english! |
| 08:59.58 | Mr_Rabies | (not really, it just took me forever to find a suitable image to reply to nevcairiel's "wiser, too") |
| 09:00.09 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 09:00.10 | znf | the fuck is wrong with the these days |
| 09:00.12 | znf | can't type for shit |
| 09:00.14 | znf | I keep missing letters |
| 09:00.25 | znf | keep typing wrods int eh wrong order |
| 09:00.31 | znf | ... |
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| 09:04.41 | Mr_Rabies | fat fingers, crappy keyboard, or brain damage |
| 09:04.58 | Mr_Rabies | those are your only two options |
| 09:05.03 | Mr_Rabies | (originally typed two so i kept it) |
| 09:05.09 | Mr_Rabies | because i can't brane right now |
| 09:05.25 | airtonix | badum tish |
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| 09:13.21 | Mr_Rabies | after i found that image i went on a kevin maguire google-image-search spree |
| 09:13.32 | Mr_Rabies | why can't the justice league movie be like this https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bh3ve4uCAAAxMyO.jpg:large :< |
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| 13:16.05 | Neffi | https://imgur.com/gallery/gEFXZ it's beautiful |
| 13:16.23 | Alram | :o |
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| 15:00.39 | Fisker | Hey Cap'n Lopeppeppy |
| 15:03.56 | Lopeppeppy | I got a promotion? |
| 15:05.08 | Fisker | You don't need one |
| 15:06.16 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr, baby. I'm telling my boss that. |
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| 15:58.43 | zenzelezz | Steam keeps insisting my login is wrong, while it works perfectly fine on the website. Sigh |
| 15:58.57 | zenzelezz | normally I'd just start it offline, but I need to actually download a game, so that's useless |
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| 16:38.23 | pompy | im sorry residents of Michigan :o lol http://www.mlive.com/lansing-news/index.ssf/2014/04/michigan_comcast_cable_custome.html |
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| 16:39.44 | g0urra | http://www.wowhead.com/news=236805/upcoming-wowhead-design-revamp |
| 16:40.12 | pompy | "The move is meant to help Comcast's ability to get regulatory approval for its $45 billion purchase of Time Warner Cable." |
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| 16:44.28 | jleclanche | what was the linux command to trace which .so files were getting loaded in a program? |
| 16:44.33 | Shirik | Ping statistics for 192.168.1.1: |
| 16:44.33 | Shirik | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:45.36 | jleclanche | ltrace |
| 16:45.49 | jleclanche | i spent 10 mins googling this stuff, but copypasting my question into google works better |
| 16:47.13 | Dagmar | ldd or readelf. Take your pick |
| 16:48.00 | jleclanche | yeah ldd is what i wanted actually but ltrace is nice too |
| 16:48.47 | Dagmar | Mind you ldd shows you that binary's dependents and their dependents |
| 16:48.55 | jleclanche | yeah makes sense |
| 16:48.57 | jleclanche | its fine tho |
| 16:49.06 | Dagmar | If you want to know about *just* what that binary is calling for, you have to use readelf |
| 16:50.25 | jleclanche | Dagmar: I have someone who is getting a "cannot find libfoo.so.0.5.0" on freebsd only, yet its in her/usr/local/lib along with all the others |
| 16:50.31 | jleclanche | how do i debug this? i dont have access to the machine |
| 16:50.54 | jleclanche | (this is while compiling another lib) |
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| 16:53.15 | Dagmar | jleclanche; Make sure they're not doing something insane with rpath or explicitly linker instructions |
| 16:53.44 | jleclanche | apparently they dont have a $LD_LIBRARY_PATH wat |
| 16:53.46 | Dagmar | ...like failing to include -I and -L for the /usr/local directories generally does a good job of creating fatal problems |
| 16:54.11 | Dagmar | Assuming /usr/local/lib is already somewhere that ldconfig is looking that's fine |
| 16:54.15 | pompy | Was just talking to Comcast live chat, because everytime I tracert the D3 servers, a comcast server in ashburn, va that it goes through shows packetloss, told him to put a request in to that center for them to look at it. Dunno if he even will do that! |
| 16:54.38 | Dagmar | ...but compiling against things in there means telling gcc and the linker to look in there, and they don't give a fuck what ldconfig is doing |
| 16:54.41 | g0urra | he won't, they are drones |
| 16:55.34 | jleclanche | Dagmar: do you remember off hand how to get ldconfig to output where it looks? |
| 16:55.44 | jleclanche | er ld |
| 16:57.40 | Dagmar | "Nowhere you didn't tell it to"? |
| 16:57.56 | Dagmar | ldconfig... easiest way I know of is to just run it with -v |
| 16:58.24 | Dagmar | -vN if you're a normal user |
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| 16:58.56 | Dagmar | Perhaps even -vNX but it doesn't complain immediatley about hte lack of -X |
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| 17:23.57 | bluworkcow | is this really proof DDoSing of Blizzard servers is happening : http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1509102-Are-blizzard-servers-net-providers-really-getting-DDoS-d?p=26807742&viewfull=1#post26807742 |
| 17:26.16 | jleclanche | https://pay.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/24g5xn/the_slow_death_of_purposeless_wanking/ (nsfw, language only) |
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| 17:36.20 | Shirik | http://cardboard-crack.com/post/84386177564/perfect-match |
| 17:36.25 | Shirik | Still a better love story than twilight |
| 17:38.45 | bluworkcow | y would you unsleeve a card ? |
| 17:38.54 | bluworkcow | #magicgatheringnoobiam |
| 17:39.09 | Stanzilla | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2964358 |
| 17:44.10 | TC-Work | To make a new deck |
| 17:44.21 | bluworkcow | Y |
| 17:44.29 | bluworkcow | y not leave them in the sleeves |
| 17:44.30 | bluworkcow | wait |
| 17:44.41 | TC-Work | Because I don't have 3K sleeves? |
| 17:44.45 | bluworkcow | what they mean by sleeves ? how are the cards kept if your not using them in a deck ? |
| 17:45.02 | TC-Work | In a binder or a box depending on the rarity. |
| 17:45.28 | bluworkcow | i see |
| 17:45.34 | bluworkcow | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:45.46 | Torhal | brings the Grammar Hammer down on bluworkcow. |
| 17:46.13 | TC-Work | Is not going to help, blu is a product of NZ. |
| 17:46.30 | bluworkcow | Torhal is so mean |
| 17:47.35 | Torhal | I'm mean? TC-Work just said there's no helping you. |
| 17:47.54 | bluworkcow | your both mean |
| 17:48.08 | Torhal | It would appear that he's correct about not being able to help. |
| 17:48.11 | TC-Work | You're* |
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| 18:00.14 | pompy | https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152143423246633&set=a.119104781632.95409.59685491632&type=1 "new era" my ass hahaha |
| 18:00.41 | Fisker | Maybe they'll use a heavily modified quake 4 engine pompy |
| 18:00.59 | Fisker | Hail Hydra Lopeppeppy |
| 18:02.42 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, very Hail on Hydra. |
| 18:03.21 | Fisker | Just gonna stand there and watch me get knocked out by hail Lopeppeppy? |
| 18:03.23 | Fisker | That's mean |
| 18:03.35 | Lopeppeppy | If you're a bad guy, you deserve a little punishment. |
| 18:03.48 | Fisker | I'm the worst |
| 18:04.10 | Fisker | Know that austrian guy with a passion for art? |
| 18:04.13 | Fisker | Worse than him :( |
| 18:05.00 | Lopeppeppy | Um. No, don't know about Art Dude. |
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| 18:26.06 | Fisker | That's terrible Lopeppeppy |
| 18:26.25 | Lopeppeppy | I am an ignorant lout. |
| 18:30.07 | Fisker | pls |
| 18:30.34 | Fisker | I had to look that up just to know I am an ignorant lout too |
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| 19:07.07 | Shirik | erm |
| 19:07.09 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy: |
| 19:07.39 | Lopeppeppy | Yes dear? |
| 19:08.49 | Shirik | hrm, dictionaries disagree |
| 19:08.55 | Shirik | I was going to complain about "an uncouth or aggressive man or boy." |
| 19:09.11 | Shirik | but apparently some just say "An awkward ill-mannered fellow; a bumpkin, clown." |
| 19:09.48 | Shirik | "a stupid, rude, or awkward man" |
| 19:09.54 | Shirik | I am confused |
| 19:11.22 | Lopeppeppy | Lout is indeed most usually a male term, Shirik. You caught me pretending to be a boy. |
| 19:12.24 | Shirik | female privilege |
| 19:12.30 | Shirik | only females are allowed to pretend to be men |
| 19:13.05 | bluworkcow | but-but-but-but-but-but |
| 19:13.12 | bluworkcow | youll look purdy! |
| 19:13.14 | bluworkcow | :( |
| 19:13.34 | Shirik | I never said men aren't allowed to pretend to be females |
| 19:13.38 | Shirik | just that men can't pretend to be men |
| 19:13.45 | Lopeppeppy | Males can pretend whatever they want, Shirik. |
| 19:14.00 | bluworkcow | I am a unicorn pegasus ninja |
| 19:14.02 | Shirik | YOU WILL TURN INTO A ROBOT |
| 19:14.15 | Shirik | AIN'T NOTHIN FIGURATIVE ABOUT THIS |
| 19:14.29 | Lopeppeppy | Sometimes I pretend to be a delicate flower of womanhood. |
| 19:14.31 | bluworkcow | i don't wanna be a robot tho :( |
| 19:14.48 | Shirik | for those that don't get the reference https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlD9JYP8u5E |
| 19:17.29 | Shirik | also, for any audiophiles out there |
| 19:17.44 | Shirik | a new image describing "ducking": http://bassadelic.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/sidechain-compression-101.jpg?w=627&h=627 |
| 19:17.56 | TC-Work | What if I am a different kind of phile? |
| 19:17.57 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, have you heard the national anthem in minor key? |
| 19:18.05 | Shirik | ?? |
| 19:18.19 | jleclanche | who hasnt? |
| 19:18.32 | Lopeppeppy | http://twentytwowords.com/the-haunting-effects-of-a-minor-key-on-the-u-s-national-anthem/ |
| 19:19.24 | Shirik | I'm pretty sure that's the exact same mic stand I have |
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| 19:21.05 | Shirik | well that was pretty impressive |
| 19:22.07 | Lopeppeppy | I loved it. And I'm not a big fan of the "split into multiple to harmonize" style of videos. |
| 19:23.26 | Shirik | that is definitely the mic stand I have |
| 19:23.32 | Shirik | every little detail is identical |
| 19:23.33 | Shirik | I had to check |
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| 19:42.21 | airtonix | oh ok |
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| 19:57.36 | Lopeppeppy | We had such a bright sunny afternoon while I've been here at work. Now that it's almost time to go home and plant my lilies, it's starting to rain again. *sigh* |
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| 20:01.56 | Fisker | Why do you pretend to be a boy Lopeppeppy ? |
| 20:02.32 | Fisker | Do you want to stand up peeing? Because they have a tool for that |
| 20:03.27 | Lopeppeppy | and that tool kicks ASS when camping in the dark woods, Fisker. |
| 20:03.52 | Fisker | I never camp |
| 20:04.01 | Fisker | Especially not in dark woods |
| 20:10.35 | Maldivia | standing up while peeing is overrated... sitting down is so much more comfortable |
| 20:11.48 | Lopeppeppy | I agree, Maldivia, but I do not sit where I cannot see if there is poison ivy. |
| 20:12.27 | Maldivia | why?? you get a free excuse for scratching your ass then! |
| 20:13.34 | airtonix | squat |
| 20:13.43 | airtonix | ivy foiled! |
| 20:13.48 | airtonix | thank me later |
| 20:14.06 | jleclanche | irc client idea: Prevent alt tabbing into weird conversations |
| 20:14.24 | Maldivia | then you would never be able to alt-tab to the client though |
| 20:14.30 | kd3 | ^ |
| 20:14.38 | jleclanche | irc client idea: Prevent alt tabbing |
| 20:15.47 | airtonix | yes, we shall trap them all |
| 20:19.48 | Fisker | Goodbye Lopeppeppy |
| 20:19.55 | Lopeppeppy | Goodnight, Fiskerboo. |
| 20:38.04 | zenzelezz | Filezilla, fuck you for trying to push SearchDial on us |
| 20:38.43 | airtonix | lol filezilla? |
| 20:38.47 | airtonix | stop be ing bad |
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| 20:43.52 | zenzelezz | it's been a nice and simple program before |
| 20:44.06 | zenzelezz | now they suddenly have a sourceforge downloader which installs god knows how much crap |
| 20:44.38 | airtonix | how about use a filemanager that does ftp (why in the gods name are you even using ftp) |
| 20:46.03 | zenzelezz | because that's the available interface to this server? |
| 20:46.54 | TC-Work | linux has a cli client |
| 20:47.19 | zenzelezz | so does Windows |
| 20:47.31 | TC-Work | Native? |
| 20:47.42 | airtonix | yes, but it's shitty |
| 20:47.48 | zenzelezz | shitty but functional |
| 20:47.54 | airtonix | because ftp is shitty |
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| 20:56.22 | nevcairiel | I bought FlashFXP years ago, and its been working just fine for me ever since. Screw SF adware! |
| 20:57.02 | Stanzilla | there are normal installers, too |
| 20:58.07 | Stanzilla | http://sourceforge.net/projects/filezilla/files/FileZilla_Client/3.8.0/FileZilla_3.8.0_win32-setup.exe/download?nowrap |
| 20:58.09 | nevcairiel | Any developer that allows such things shows me that I don't want to use his shit anymore |
| 20:58.11 | Stanzilla | just need the nowrap at the end |
| 20:58.18 | Stanzilla | that I agree on, nevcairiel |
| 20:58.46 | nevcairiel | Also SF is really full blown evil these days |
| 20:58.59 | Stanzilla | that, too |
| 20:59.21 | nevcairiel | They even import projects not originally hosted with them and don't give devs an option to delete it |
| 21:00.05 | nevcairiel | But at least they don't start rebundling it with adware automatically |
| 21:01.37 | Jamash | oh noes they're copying free software (?) |
| 21:02.07 | nevcairiel | It's not illegal, but just bad karma |
| 21:02.47 | Jamash | also midnight commander supports ftp |
| 21:02.51 | Stanzilla | did they do it with your projects, nevcairiel? |
| 21:03.45 | Jamash | cd ftp://ftp.mozilla.org works as one would hope |
| 21:05.01 | Jamash | winscp does as well |
| 21:05.03 | nevcairiel | Stanzilla: they did, and they don't even update it anymore, but luckily Google doesn't really show it anywhere near the top results |
| 21:05.44 | Jamash | both two-pane file managers, as god intended |
| 21:05.55 | nevcairiel | And I digitally sign all my binaries so they cannot mess with them without breaking the signature |
| 21:10.33 | airtonix | Jamash: if you're stuck on windows, checkout swish |
| 21:11.08 | Jamash | but swish isn't a two-pane file manager, like god intended |
| 21:14.05 | airtonix | stop being bad |
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| 21:38.31 | Jamash | what's bad about two-pane file managers? |
| 21:39.11 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: i guess theres an upper limit to humble bundles |
| 21:39.11 | jleclanche | https://mediacru.sh/W8YNXff5YuKO.png |
| 21:40.22 | airtonix | Jamash: what's the point when you can easily align two windows |
| 21:40.29 | Jamash | hotkeys |
| 21:40.50 | airtonix | yes, they do things |
| 21:40.55 | Jamash | one-button copy |
| 21:40.58 | airtonix | you are learning well young one |
| 21:41.09 | Jamash | as opposed to ctrl-c, change windows, ctrl-v |
| 21:41.17 | airtonix | qqmoar |
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| 21:43.06 | Jamash | qq is too many buttons imo |
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| 22:08.27 | Amarande | you know, sometimes I think the vote kick feature is the dandiest and the worst feature ever in MMOs, heh |
| 22:08.36 | Amarande | when you're grouped with goods, it's just fine, and it's useful in case someone DC's |
| 22:08.45 | Amarande | when you're grouped with bads though, you tend to be the one who gets kicked instead *sigh* |
| 22:17.59 | airtonix | that's because you're bad |
| 22:26.41 | Amarande | airtonix: when you're doing just fine as dps and then you find yourself kissing the floor shortly after the tank and healer die because they didn't get it, you're not the one who's bad :) |
| 22:26.55 | airtonix | no, really you are |
| 22:27.01 | Amarande | unless you're going to say that one is bad because one chose to be DPS in the first place and ought've known that was coming and chosen to heal or tank instead :) |
| 22:27.15 | airtonix | if you can't gauge the limits of your healer and tank, then you're bad |
| 22:27.25 | airtonix | work with what you've got |
| 22:27.40 | airtonix | i don't force you to use an amiga |
| 22:28.16 | alestane | Can one hold the healer and tank to their own limits, however? |
| 22:28.30 | airtonix | whose own? |
| 22:28.40 | jleclanche | airtonix: ive gotten grouped with bad people several times |
| 22:28.48 | jleclanche | airtonix: usually i carry the group. i dont get kicked. |
| 22:29.09 | jleclanche | airtonix: I don't know what to think of someone who *gets kicked* when being "grouped with bad", so he says |
| 22:29.18 | airtonix | well there's slow but good tanks that get called bad by over zealouse facerolling dps. |
| 22:29.26 | alestane | At least when I played more regularly, the principal mistake that DPS made was to exceed the tank's threat capacity. |
| 22:29.31 | airtonix | that |
| 22:29.39 | airtonix | and the healers ability to react |
| 22:29.40 | jleclanche | that hasn't existed in 3 expansions i think |
| 22:29.58 | jleclanche | I remember the last time DPS were known to pull aggro |
| 22:30.00 | airtonix | or in the case of a disco, pre empt |
| 22:30.04 | jleclanche | naxxramas 60, patchwerk |
| 22:30.08 | jleclanche | rolling ignites. go mages |
| 22:30.18 | alestane | But if the tank is holding aggro, but dies while holding threat, then eitehr the tank doesn't know how to mitigate, or the healer isn't paying attention or managing mana. |
| 22:31.08 | airtonix | any way, Amarande. you're bad. and your ui sucks. |
| 22:31.16 | airtonix | ;p |
| 22:34.10 | Amarande | jleclanche: the usual pattern is that you have a bad tank and healer, you tolerate them for a while until you wipe once too many |
| 22:34.14 | Amarande | then you rage on them for being bad |
| 22:34.23 | Amarande | then they initiate a votekick together and get the other dps to go along with them |
| 22:34.41 | airtonix | protip: don't rage on them for being bad |
| 22:34.52 | airtonix | you'll get kicked less often out of spite |
| 22:34.54 | Amarande | why, given that they're the ones who caused the rage in the first place, I'm not sure, unless there's a standing etiquette in MMOs that you are expected to vote yes on every vote kick |
| 22:34.56 | jleclanche | Amarande: no, the usual pattern is 3-4 dinguses in your party, i carry them all instance and i quit |
| 22:35.09 | jleclanche | and i shut up because I'm not an arse |
| 22:35.30 | Amarande | which may mean that I'm a rude arse myself, heh |
| 22:35.32 | jleclanche | well, I am but for different reasons |
| 22:35.51 | Amarande | since I have a tendency to almost never vote yes on vote kicks unless it's a DC |
| 22:36.02 | jleclanche | Amarande: my point is that if you're grouped with bad people, you carry them - if you can't carry them, you may have been kicked for different reasons |
| 22:36.16 | jane | are you one of the people that keeps making votekicks fail when the player is obviously terrible x.x |
| 22:36.17 | jleclanche | we're at a point in the expansion where instances are soloable |
| 22:36.33 | Amarande | heh, maybe I should play more wow then and less mmos where you actually need the entire group to be decent :S |
| 22:36.47 | jleclanche | <Amarande> heh, maybe I should play more wow |
| 22:36.56 | jleclanche | just gonna leave this here.. |
| 22:37.02 | Amarande | well, today's incident was from a flashpoint in TOR, where you actually generally need all four people in the group to not fail |
| 22:37.20 | jane | i hate it when theres a really stupid person in group that makes it impossible to carry them :/ |
| 22:37.31 | jleclanche | well those get kicked easily |
| 22:37.32 | Amarande | jleclanche: the point being that in WoW if we're powered up enough we actually CAN carry groups |
| 22:37.40 | Amarande | which isn't the case in many other MMOs :) |
| 22:37.49 | jleclanche | Amarande: wow has stupid scaling but thats pretty irrelevant |
| 22:38.05 | jane | ive left groups cause people refuse to votekick, say, the dps that decides to pull half the dungeon even after being told to stop because the tank+heals isnt super overgeared |
| 22:38.23 | jleclanche | Amarande: also ive been playing wow going on ... 11 years or so? when did the beta start again? so theres not many people i can tell "you need to play wow less"... but you need to play wow less. |
| 22:38.49 | Amarande | jane: well, that's another issue with MMOs, people have a tendency to lean on the tank and healer way too much too often |
| 22:39.01 | Amarande | it's probably a reason why there's such a shortage of tanks, actually |
| 22:39.19 | Amarande | because on the high end? you have no reason to do random 5's much. you're raiding, and if you do want to do a heroic for some reason, you've got guildies to go with |
| 22:39.48 | Amarande | on the low end? you're pressured into being dps (or maybe heals, if you're a triple hybrid class) instead, because everyone expects the tank to be op so they can get away with things |
| 22:40.04 | jane | idk i dont think its that bad |
| 22:40.34 | jane | you can't get away with not knowing how to play the basics if you tank/heal, but... |
| 22:41.04 | Amarande | jane: a lot of groups expect you to overpull or super rapid go go pull without taking time to patch up between encounters |
| 22:41.36 | jane | you know, the funniest thing was that pissed me off the most while playing a warlock, and none of my tanks/healers |
| 22:41.40 | Amarande | it gets fun early on in expansions when the heroics still have some challenge to them ... as healers are expected to use up their quick mana restore cooldowns on keeping up with gogogogo groups instead of being able to use them on the boss while boss fights are still challenging |
| 22:42.04 | Amarande | (this may be a reason why said boss fights ARE actually challenging in some cases, I imagine ...) |
| 22:42.37 | jane | that being said, ive been votekicked for being an op healer but never an op tank...people are stupid |
| 22:42.50 | Amarande | like, hey, they might actually BE as trivial as some of us would claim, if the healer actually had mana LOL |
| 22:42.59 | Amarande | for being an OP healer? I'd think for being an underpowered one would be the problem |
| 22:43.11 | Amarande | unless the tank is having trouble maintaining multi target aggro and you keep heal pulling |
| 22:43.13 | jane | i was on my raid geared priest outdpsing everyone else |
| 22:43.16 | jane | lol |
| 22:43.36 | jane | the tank and his/her dps guildies apparently didnt like it even though i wasnt pulling |
| 22:43.48 | jane | not sure how they equated high disc dps as not doing my job when nobody died |
| 22:44.01 | Primer | sigh...more SW:TOR email... |
| 22:44.15 | Primer | The only thing I really miss about SW:TOR is Huttball |
| 22:44.22 | Dashkal | I wouldn't even consider pug tanking. All the stress just for a shorter queue time? Thanks no, let me tank for friends. |
| 22:44.26 | jane | at 90 is there even an excuse to suck at basic multi target aggro with any tank? |
| 22:44.55 | Primer | I wish WoW would steal the Huttball concept and implement it |
| 22:44.59 | jane | i havent played a warrior, idk |
| 22:45.28 | Amarande | also, why does it seem like on some servers in MMOs that have two opposed factions, one side is pleasure itself and the other begins to get so irritating that you wish you'd never rolled a character on it to begin with? |
| 22:46.30 | Amarande | heh like in TOR I created a republic character (on the same server I play empire) because I figured, okay I need a republic character to get the HK part for my imperials |
| 22:46.54 | Amarande | Empire side I've always found to be pretty cool (plus, most of my friends mainly play their Empire characters) socially |
| 22:47.11 | jane | people are irritating but idk about the factions themselves |
| 22:47.23 | jane | is swtor worth checking out again? i havent played it since like the first 3-4 months it came out |
| 22:47.24 | Amarande | anyway Republic, after I got the HK part I kept playing because I figured okay I like the jedi consular storyline and playing jedi sage and I should get through it so I can get the extra buff attachment |
| 22:47.50 | Amarande | but ... I'm finding that people Republic side are so insanely irritating that I'm wishing I'd never played Republic side at all :P |
| 22:48.12 | Amarande | it's like WoW servers where horde is cool and alliance are hair-pulling annoying |
| 22:48.23 | Primer | Amarande: my jedi consular was female and I ended up getting it on with that one black dude |
| 22:48.32 | Primer | that was another fun aspect of SW:TOR |
| 22:48.44 | jane | horde on my old server was unbelievably stupid |
| 22:48.56 | Amarande | also, one thing in SW:TOR that would be really awesome to have in WoW is that buff attachment feature |
| 22:49.22 | Primer | that's what addons are for |
| 22:49.31 | Amarande | Primer: heh, addons wouldn't let you do that :) |
| 22:49.50 | Primer | Not sure what that feature is then |
| 22:49.57 | Amarande | I mean the feature where once you've finished chapter 2 on a class, every time you use any other class's stat buff it brings along that class's buff for the ride too |
| 22:50.19 | Amarande | so then also, once you've played all four mainstats through chapter 2 at least once, every class hands out all the buffs thanks to the legacy bonus |
| 22:50.54 | Amarande | e.g., bounty hunter has an endurance buff (like fort in wow), finish chapter 2 on it, and you get a legacy unlock that says that whenever you use any other class's stat buff it adds the endurance buff too |
| 22:51.06 | Amarande | (unless it's trooper, you can't use it to double-up) |
| 22:51.18 | Amarande | or jedi consular has the equivalent of kings, etc. |
| 22:51.46 | Amarande | so once you've done the story on one class for each main stat, every character gets to apply fort, kings, might, and dammit what was the crit buff called in wow again :) |
| 22:51.52 | Amarande | that'd be nice to have in wow too |
| 22:52.58 | Amarande | jane: huh. on most servers I find that Horde are the cool side and Alliance make you want to tear your hair out eventually |
| 22:53.04 | Amarande | which realm had the bad horde? |
| 22:53.13 | jane | its a low pop server - nordrassil :d |
| 22:53.16 | Amarande | ah |
| 22:53.22 | jane | i like proudmoore alliance |
| 22:53.42 | Primer | I get grouped with a lot of Proudmoore in bgs |
| 22:53.43 | Amarande | and yeah, both sides have their share of anal spam, but I'm talking stuff that actually makes you start to get fuming mad, not just mindless banter type bad |
| 22:53.47 | Amarande | like people who tell you to stop playing the game |
| 22:53.56 | jane | yes, nord is full of that and then some :p |
| 22:54.06 | Primer | they are usually pretty annoying (alliance) |
| 22:54.22 | Amarande | Primer: heh, maybe I should have known to expect Republic to be like it was in TOR then, too |
| 22:54.54 | Amarande | there's a fairly strong parallel between republic/alliance and empire/horde for the most part (well apart from empire tending to be highly racist towards nonhuman species, whereas otoh that's all horde IS is nonhumans) |
| 22:55.03 | jane | theres no shortage of annoying people, but overall the server is nicer than some i think |
| 22:55.24 | Amarande | but that's lore stuff rather than player things. there's only one form of in-game species racism I've really seen to a significant degree in MMOs |
| 22:55.31 | Amarande | (namely: in WoW, everyone hates gnomes. LOL) |
| 22:55.31 | Primer | I'm alliance and was republic on TOR because that's where my friends went |
| 22:56.16 | Amarande | anyway, Jedi Covenant Empire is really cool ... Jedi Covenant Republic sucks like an open airlock |
| 22:58.08 | Gethe | assuming var1 can be == false, how can i make print(var1 or default) always return var1 unless it is literally nil |
| 22:59.53 | Amarande | Gethe: I guess you could always use an if then else, if nothing else works |
| 23:00.21 | Amarande | check to see if var1 is nil, if so, print(default), else print(var1)? |
| 23:00.53 | Primer | > foo=nil; bar='baz'; print (foo or bar) |
| 23:00.57 | Amarande | Primer: yeah, that's another thing, my TOR friends basically all play Empire |
| 23:01.05 | Primer | lua> foo=nil; bar='baz'; print (foo or bar) |
| 23:01.10 | Primer | argh, wtf is the format |
| 23:01.15 | Amarande | we do have a republic guild, but barely anyone ever shows up ... I'm guessing it may have something to do with that republic sucks on jedi covenant! LOL |
| 23:01.28 | alestane | Primer, that's the format, but lua_bot appears to be offline. |
| 23:01.34 | Primer | I don't even know what jedi covenant is |
| 23:01.40 | Primer | alestane: yeah, just saw that |
| 23:02.13 | Amarande | Primer: one of the currently remaining servers on TOR |
| 23:02.23 | Amarande | it's the east coast US pve server |
| 23:02.33 | Primer | but yeah: |
| 23:02.35 | Primer | > foo=nil; bar='baz'; print ("It is: " .. (foo or bar)); |
| 23:02.37 | Primer | It is: baz |
| 23:02.50 | *** join/#wowuidev Ketho (~Siu-Cheon@ip565063bd.direct-adsl.nl) |
| 23:03.13 | Amarande | yeah, I think it might be time to look at going back to WoW sooner than I was going to. I was always going to come back for WoD anyways |
| 23:03.56 | Amarande | question is do I want to be a tank this time or do I want to roll a hunter instead |
| 23:04.08 | Amarande | for some reason I seem to gravitate back to ranged DPS no matter how much I play or enjoy a tank or heals :S |
| 23:04.09 | Gethe | go tank |
| 23:04.20 | Amarande | you know, if only wow had ranged tanks ... :) |
| 23:04.27 | Gethe | aww |
| 23:04.38 | Amarande | though I guess it doesn't make as much sense in WoW |
| 23:04.52 | Amarande | because the lion's share of enemies in WoW are melee fighters, so you have to fight them in melee anyway if you are tanking them |
| 23:05.06 | Amarande | in space opera, a lot more enemies are using blasters so ranged tanking makes a lot more sense |
| 23:05.21 | Gethe | yeah idk how that would work for wow. Wildstar though has a range-ish tank in the Engineer |
| 23:05.38 | Semlar-Laptop | i thought monks were ranged tanks |
| 23:05.44 | Amarande | although death knight is kind of similar to TOR powertech when I really think about it |
| 23:05.45 | Gethe | nope |
| 23:05.53 | Amarande | not quite the same, but pretty similar |
| 23:06.07 | Gethe | monks are melee healers |
| 23:06.13 | Semlar-Laptop | that doesn't sound right |
| 23:06.28 | Amarande | except that the specs don't quite mix the same way as with TOR powertech tanks |
| 23:06.39 | Amarande | in TOR you've got all the ranged toys as well as the close-range ones as shield tech |
| 23:06.50 | Gethe | DK i think is the closest we have to a ranged tank |
| 23:06.55 | Amarande | whereas in WoW DK you need to be blood to tank, but the spec I remember to have the feel similar to PT is frost |
| 23:07.05 | Primer | well, there was that one boss fight that a warlock would tank, at range... |
| 23:07.10 | Primer | in SSC |
| 23:07.23 | Amarande | Primer: and there's always the ranged tank for Valanar in Twilight Sparkle Party in ICC |
| 23:07.25 | Semlar-Laptop | nope warlocks always tank all the time |
| 23:07.27 | Gethe | blood queen in ICC too |
| 23:07.39 | Amarande | no, blood queen had typical melee tanks |
| 23:07.43 | Gethe | err blood council |
| 23:07.49 | Amarande | yeah. that's what I meant |
| 23:07.52 | Amarande | twilight sparkle party :p |
| 23:09.01 | Amarande | btw, on a corollary to earlier bit about bad groups |
| 23:09.11 | Amarande | why is it that MMOs seem to consistently do this one particular little design foible |
| 23:09.52 | Amarande | if there is one particular leveling instance that loads of people utterly hate compared to the others ... it's ALWAYS on a level bracket that gives it a ridiculously huge chance of being selected whenever you queue at a level eligible for it? :) |
| 23:10.59 | Amarande | like level 27 in WoW where you basically can randomly get assigned to any instance as long as it's Gnomeregan :) |
| 23:11.19 | Gethe | peeps queue, see bad dungeon, go "ewww" and drop group |
| 23:11.40 | Amarande | well, not that I personally hate Gnomeregan all that much on balance - *as long as I have time to do it* - but it seems not very popular |
| 23:12.09 | Amarande | and oftentimes myself I have a limited amount of time to play wow on a given evening and want to do a dungeon while leveling a given character and sigh because there's too much chance at the level that I'll get an ages long place :S |
| 23:13.25 | Amarande | OTOH, there are dungeons where I happen to love the place and can't get why other people hate them |
| 23:13.26 | Amarande | like Oculus |
| 23:14.03 | Semlar-Laptop | oculus would be pretty bad for random leveling groups |
| 23:14.05 | Amarande | Oculus is fun, the only times I've ever had issue with it is the occasional aggro accident that causes you to be unable to get on your drake because you can't in combat |
| 23:14.33 | Amarande | eh, it seems pretty simple, though I've never played the red drake so I'm not sure how tanking goes |
| 23:14.57 | Amarande | as for dps/heals, a pretty easy way to stay out of harm's way seems to be to try to be directly above the boss |
| 23:15.01 | Gethe | Oculus was shunned because people couldnt use the dragons properly |
| 23:15.23 | Amarande | I find if I stay straight above the boss I barely ever get hit with any of the stuff that gets thrown around |
| 23:16.06 | Amarande | In TOR, the instance of annoying crappy doom is Cademimu |
| 23:18.11 | Semlar-Laptop | let's dump 5 people who have never done the oculus before and have never seen any of the mechanics before into the instance |
| 23:18.56 | Semlar-Laptop | this is not what you want to run into while you're leveling |
| 23:19.56 | Amarande | yeah, I'm surprised there aren't more issues when leveling sometimes :) |
| 23:20.21 | Amarande | thankfully for instance I've never encountered anyone who attacks the flesh golems' bodies in Scholomance, say LOL |
| 23:20.51 | Amarande | which ... would seem like the sort of thing you'd think bad players would do all the time |
| 23:28.19 | jane | gnomeregan isnt that bad |
| 23:28.35 | jane | it's ubrs/lbrs that's absolutely terrible if nobody's ever been there before |
| 23:28.35 | Amarande | jane: I know, I actually like it when I've got plenty of time to spare |
| 23:29.04 | Amarande | where it's trouble is if you've got an hour or two to play wow and you're leveling (and leveling queues are never all that good, especially before 30) and want to do a dungeon and "crud, it's WC/gnomer" |
| 23:29.48 | Amarande | At least with UBRS/LBRS you have a chance if you're a tank to have had a quick queue and not already spent half your gaming time waiting |
| 23:29.53 | jane | well i remember the last few toons i leveled it was super fast because i or someone else actually remembered the fast way |
| 23:30.06 | Amarande | Pre-30, even if you're a tank queues are not that great IIRC, probably because of how painful it is to level as a healer outside of instances |
| 23:30.45 | jane | brd is pretty terrible too |
| 23:30.47 | Amarande | (which I know firsthand, I tried leveling a druid as resto once and it was like a breath of fresh air when I hit 30 and could dual spec with boomkin and actually kill quest mobs at something not resembling aeons per creature) |
| 23:30.50 | jane | im not sure why the maps arent more clear |
| 23:31.01 | Amarande | BRD is too heavily 3D to really map out well |
| 23:31.16 | jane | true |
| 23:31.17 | Amarande | it's probably the most 3D of all the 5-mans |
| 23:31.31 | jane | i feel like the other problem was you zone in at the same spot no matter which lhalf youre doing, right? |
| 23:31.33 | jane | half* |
| 23:31.44 | Amarande | hm |
| 23:31.47 | jane | or something stupid |
| 23:31.51 | Amarande | I could have sworn the second part of BRD ports you in a little further in |
| 23:32.09 | jane | maybe |
| 23:32.09 | Amarande | been a long time since I've been there as queue for the dungeon proper, as opposed to Coren |
| 23:32.38 | Amarande | usually when I go it's solo on a high level character to attune for molten core, learn to smelt dark iron, etc. |
| 23:32.50 | jane | i want to say no though, cause ive had a few times where i thought it was detention block but it wasnt |
| 23:33.04 | Amarande | or thorium brotherhood rep if I'm being that completist on an appropriate crafting profession |
| 23:33.51 | jane | oh no, i think its cause i had to determine if its lower city or not based on the levels of people in the group |
| 23:34.56 | Amarande | jane: heh, that must be fun |
| 23:35.15 | Amarande | can it really be done foolproof, unless someone manually queued for the lower level portion while it was orange? |
| 23:35.27 | Amarande | higher levels are no indication because they could have specific queued for it |
| 23:36.19 | jane | well super low levels. like i think under 50 is the prison boss, and over 60 is safe to assume its the city |
| 23:37.05 | Amarande | yeah, 60-61 has got to be city, that's certain |
| 23:37.11 | Amarande | (61 is cap to queue I believe?) |
| 23:37.18 | jane | i dont remember. i hate it so much |
| 23:37.28 | Amarande | yeh. I think it's 47-57 for prison and 51-61 for city |
| 23:37.43 | jane | its ok if youre with guildies or something but if youre with a random and you have someone that wants to do like ALL the bosses in the city and someone that just wants to do a speed run... |
| 23:37.53 | Amarande | jane: well that's every instance in wow these days |
| 23:38.15 | jane | yeah but you're not talking biggest dungeon in the entire game. one of the biggest? its pretty big |
| 23:38.20 | Amarande | the worst is top level instances early in an expansion cycle |
| 23:38.23 | jane | one or two bosses deal with it |
| 23:38.44 | Amarande | because then you quickly reach the point where you've got a large mass of people who want to skip and just do the one boss that counts for dungeon completion |
| 23:39.03 | Amarande | while at that point the gear from the dungeon is still actually relevant, and some people still need gear from bosses that would be skipped |
| 23:39.12 | Amarande | (HoO in Cata was probably the WORST for that) |
| 23:40.00 | jane | probably, but its nothing compared to like the 20 bosses |
| 23:40.06 | Amarande | since HoO had the four bosses on the top floor, but all were accessible in any order and only the one counted for the dungeon completion :| |
| 23:40.32 | Amarande | I think that problem's actually gone away temporarily in Mists, since I can't think of any bosses in Mists that you can skip (maybe Herod in SM? I'm not sure) |
| 23:49.01 | airtonix | lets not just play the game for the game hey? |
| 23:49.21 | airtonix | collecting pixels is far more important that actualy gameplay |
| 23:52.00 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: ping |
| 23:52.13 | jleclanche | or nevcairiel: do you have the bnet client with hearthstone working right now? |
| 23:52.16 | Mr_Rabies | there's plenty of stuff you can skip, but i don't regularly skip anything but axe guy in SM unless the group's super geared |
| 23:52.17 | Arrowmaster | pong |
| 23:52.24 | Mr_Rabies | because who cares if everyone's just there for VP |
| 23:52.30 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: every time i log in, it says the game timed out |
| 23:52.43 | Arrowmaster | login to what |
| 23:52.54 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: to hearthstone |
| 23:53.00 | Arrowmaster | i cant even get it to run |
| 23:53.11 | jleclanche | hmm :/ |
| 23:55.25 | TC-Work | Anyone know if !important on a sourced css file will overwite local <style>? |
| 23:55.50 | airtonix | yes |
| 23:55.54 | Semlar | yes |
| 23:55.55 | airtonix | never use it |
| 23:56.02 | airtonix | make better selectors |
| 23:56.12 | TC-Work | Again, talking to the wrong person |
| 23:56.38 | Semlar | !important trumps pretty much everything |
| 23:57.11 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: ah, so herod is skippable then |
| 23:57.25 | Mr_Rabies | used to be herod |
| 23:57.27 | Mr_Rabies | it's a new guy now |
| 23:57.31 | Mr_Rabies | after the revamp |
| 23:57.39 | Amarande | the guy at the bottom of the spiral stairs :p |
| 23:58.32 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 23:58.36 | Mr_Rabies | i dont skip trash though |
| 23:58.41 | Mr_Rabies | but i chain pull like a madman |
| 23:59.02 | Mr_Rabies | more work to save a group that accientally pulled trash than to just go right through it |
| 23:59.58 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: then the fun when the group wipes on a boss and people get separated running back |
