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| 21:26.16 | Amarande | but that's a side point, heh |
| 21:28.06 | Amarande | but yeah. SW:TOR has had global access with one account from the get go, far as I've seen |
| 21:28.46 | Amarande | and a certain Middle Earth based MMO that some members of #wowuidev hate when I mention the name of, has had it ever since Turbine brought the EU side in-house (there used to be an actual good excuse for them being separate accounts, it was because it used to be US and EU for said game were run by different companies altogether) |
| 21:33.43 | Jamash | 2004 baby |
| 21:33.50 | Jamash | two thousand four |
| 21:34.09 | Jamash | most online games launched around that time don't even exist anymore |
| 21:34.24 | Amarande | and as for other MMOs, I'm not sure if FF14 has "hard" regional partitioning or not, or if ESO will |
| 21:34.42 | Amarande | Not even sure I'll get ESO, and FF14 I think I will wait for the DX11 patch so it looks as lovely as possible with my AwesomeBox |
| 21:35.29 | Jamash | try playing halo 2 online |
| 21:36.42 | Jamash | whereas AFAIK you can still play diablo 1 online |
| 21:36.56 | nevcairiel | didnt they shut down the old battle.net |
| 21:37.03 | nevcairiel | i remember reading something about that |
| 21:37.15 | Amarande | nevcairiel: not that I'm aware of, since Diablo 2 and WC3 still play online |
| 21:37.17 | nevcairiel | d2 was transitioned to a new one, but d1.. |
| 21:37.24 | Jamash | lemme see if I have my disc |
| 21:37.55 | Gethe_ | they are migrateing the old bnet forums. not sure about the online service |
| 21:37.55 | Jamash | lul, windows 95 cdrom |
| 21:38.04 | Amarande | Indeed, given Warcraft in particular? I doubt they'll even consider shutting down Battle.net V1 until there's a Warcraft IV |
| 21:38.36 | Amarande | I can't begin to imagine Blizzard allowing there to be a Battle.net structure where you couldn't play a Warcraft RTS |
| 21:38.47 | Jamash | dude there's a thing to sign up for primenet |
| 21:38.52 | Jamash | I don't know what that is |
| 21:39.19 | Amarande | heh, probably some old old old ISP or AOL-like thing |
| 21:39.34 | Amarande | don't know if it even exists anymore. |
| 21:39.51 | Amarande | it probably does in some way shape or form, but hell if one can figure out which Internet megacorp owns it nowadays |
| 21:40.04 | Jamash | it has a DOC explaining how to play using null modem |
| 21:40.38 | nevcairiel | I must've remembered wrong, the only references I can find was a medium downtime when they were migrating legacy battle.net to a new system |
| 21:40.47 | Amarande | since most of the ISPs of old didn't go under, they got bought up by other companies that eventually mostly got bought up by the big guys |
| 21:40.48 | nevcairiel | (in 2012) |
| 21:41.03 | Amarande | pretty sure the only major ISP I know of that actually went under altogether was @Home |
| 21:41.12 | Amarande | Ahhh, the late, and very much NOT lamented @Home, LOL |
| 21:41.32 | Amarande | if ever there was a company that deserved to fail, from what I hear of how they treated people, it was them |
| 21:41.41 | Amarande | and people say cable ISPs are customer-unfriendly *these* days ROFL |
| 21:41.48 | TC-Work | Is it available for DL on battle.net?? |
| 21:42.12 | Gnarfoz | should be if you attach the keys to your account |
| 21:43.02 | Gethe_ | so for Wildstar UI info. Wildstar Wiki (curse) or Widlstar NASA (fan wiki) neither have anything atm |
| 21:43.04 | Amarande | if you miss the old D1 style gameplay though, there's always Torchlight |
| 21:43.23 | Amarande | which has I think way more replayability, and it's also a hell of a lot better balanced than Diablo |
| 21:43.35 | Gnarfoz | I'm not bothere since I have nothing (particularily: Wildstar beta access) either! |
| 21:43.38 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 21:43.38 | Gnarfoz | +d |
| 21:43.45 | Amarande | Ordrak is far more in tune with the difficulty curve than Diablo was :) |
| 21:43.51 | Gnarfoz | and Torhal crushed my dreams earlier |
| 21:43.57 | Gethe | aww |
| 21:44.24 | Jamash | see when you say "attach the keys" you run into the problem that diablo did not ship with a cd-key |
| 21:44.49 | Gnarfoz | that might be true, heh |
| 21:45.01 | Gnarfoz | sc1 had keys, as did d2 |
| 21:45.13 | nevcairiel | i never owned diablo 1 legally, since it didn't require shit we just traded it on lan parties, and back then I was too young to have much money for games :p |
| 21:45.17 | Gnarfoz | d1 didn't? yeah, I guess we weren't this far into "GOTTA DRM EVERYTHING" times |
| 21:45.30 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: didn't d1 even have "spawn installations" |
| 21:45.33 | Jamash | yes |
| 21:45.41 | Gnarfoz | specifically intended for lan party use |
| 21:45.47 | Jamash | it worked based on the fact that you had to have the CD in the drive to run it, like console games |
| 21:45.58 | Jamash | if one spawn had the disc, you were good |
| 21:46.08 | Gnarfoz | man what has the world come to :p |
| 21:46.12 | nevcairiel | that might be how we played it |
| 21:46.17 | Gnarfoz | now we can't even play some games withotu internet |
| 21:46.28 | nevcairiel | now d2 was serious business |
| 21:46.32 | Ermad | No CD hacks were all the rage to get past that and share games |
| 21:47.17 | Gnarfoz | games store opened early on d2 release day and I grabbed it before school, got a t-shirt, etf |
| 21:47.20 | Gnarfoz | etc |
| 21:47.39 | Gnarfoz | one of the rare days I actually got up not only on time but with time to spare! |
| 21:47.39 | nevcairiel | My small town didnt have a decent store |
| 21:47.43 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 21:47.46 | nevcairiel | i dont remember where i got it actually |
| 21:47.56 | Jamash | There are currently 45 users playing 32 games of Diablo on Battle.net |
| 21:48.07 | Amarande | probably has got something to do with that intellectual property is one of the few major export industries we've actually still got in the USA |
| 21:48.09 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 21:48.09 | nevcairiel | Jamash: always the hard core people! |
| 21:48.21 | Amarande | which produces a constant tug of war between "dammit, DRM sucks" and "we've gotta protect our economic interests" *sigh* |
| 21:48.23 | Jamash | gotta farm those obs zods and ksoh yo |
| 21:48.38 | Jamash | and lest we forget, gpow |
| 21:48.54 | Jamash | jesus I'm old |
| 21:49.04 | nevcairiel | those sound like d2 rune names |
| 21:49.08 | Jamash | how do I even know these things |
| 21:49.12 | Amarande | nevcairiel: heh that was the first thing I thought |
| 21:49.17 | Amarande | except that Zod is the only one of those that's actually real |
| 21:49.25 | Jamash | You see, there were no rares in Diablo 1 |
| 21:49.30 | Amarande | and actually, we're not 100% sure that zod is real either |
| 21:49.35 | Amarande | have YOU ever seen a zod drop? |
| 21:49.51 | nevcairiel | do they drop? i thought you cube them together |
| 21:49.53 | Jamash | so you took the best prefix and the best suffix and you get Obsidian Ring of the Zodiac, King's Sword of Haste and Godly Plate of the Whale |
| 21:50.11 | nevcairiel | it was all so much simpler in d1 |
| 21:50.11 | Jamash | obs zod was the soj before soj |
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| 21:50.18 | Amarande | nevcairiel: they do drop. the best possible drop chance is from Hephasto, and even his drop chance is roughly on par with state jackpot lottery odds |
| 21:50.32 | Jamash | I'm sure one has dropped in the entire history of the game |
| 21:50.47 | Amarande | also, Godly Plate of the Whale isn't real :) |
| 21:50.58 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: http://www.softsale.de/ wow, they still exist (even though the one in Hannover was bought by one of the larger chains a long time ago) |
| 21:51.00 | Jamash | anyway I'd be willing to bet that the zod rune is named after the zodiac |
| 21:51.02 | Amarande | or, at least, it's been proven that it can not occur on anything higher tier than a Breast Plate |
| 21:51.13 | Jamash | you shut your filthy mouth |
| 21:51.33 | Amarande | which I suppose would actually get the "Godly Plate of the Whale" name if it had those affixes, actually, wouldn't it |
| 21:51.40 | Gnarfoz | what :( |
| 21:51.47 | Gnarfoz | you no like german websites? |
| 21:52.03 | Amarande | apparently, the issue with Godly Plate of the Whale is that both the affixes are level 60 |
| 21:52.08 | Jamash | I was talking to amarande :P |
| 21:52.12 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: if you have the actual target on ignore, you think you are being insulted :p |
| 21:52.28 | Amarande | No monster in the game is actually high enough level to drop items with level 60 affixes, so the only way you can get those is from Wirt. |
| 21:52.33 | nevcairiel | also yay, my package arrived in europe |
| 21:52.37 | nevcairiel | granted, in UK, but europe |
| 21:52.38 | Jamash | yeah the gpow is a duped hacked item |
| 21:52.45 | Amarande | Wirt will not sell an item that you cannot buy (in other words, he will not sell anything that ends up having a price above 200,000 gold) |
| 21:52.59 | Amarande | The highest possible tier of armour that can roll both affixes and stay under the cap is a breast plate, which costs about 177K IIRC |
| 21:53.02 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: I do take one or the other opportunity to allude to it, don't I, haha :D (=yes, I figured as much before I said anything) |
| 21:53.02 | Jamash | which was trivial on the original battle.net because all character data was stored client side |
| 21:53.19 | Jamash | also, townkill, nuff said |
| 21:53.43 | Jamash | I remember making angry posts on Usenet about pvp in diablo II |
| 21:53.53 | Jamash | because people still used Usenet in those days |
| 21:54.04 | Amarande | but yes, zod runes can drop in D2, but they're legendarily rare |
| 21:54.12 | Jamash | I mean, as a means of communication, not as an alternative to bittorrent |
| 21:54.18 | Amarande | and you will never see a legit zod rune for trade because, let's face it, that's like a once in a lifetime drop |
| 21:54.19 | nevcairiel | pvp in d2 was just a lot of griefing in the hope to steal someones posessions when the corpse bugged out again and left your shit on the ground |
| 21:54.31 | Amarande | who's going to trade it, given that all the stuff they can trade it FOR is likely to be duped? :( |
| 21:54.33 | Jamash | pvp in d2 was my hax can beat your counterhax |
| 21:54.50 | Jamash | I never, ever pvped but I heard the tales |
| 21:55.11 | Amarande | PvP in D2 is watching someone call you a noob because apparently their paid-for ebay gear didn't give them their expected victory LOL |
| 21:55.14 | Jamash | my pvp strat was "character X has enabled pvp" -> exit game |
| 21:55.40 | Amarande | how did it go once ... I was happily *cue happy fun Ghibli Hills music* leveling my baby Necromancer |
| 21:55.47 | nevcairiel | not to mention that you had to leave your gold in your chest to make sure you dont lose it all :p |
| 21:55.56 | Jamash | maphax, townkill, um, what was that thing that would crash someone's copy of windows |
| 21:55.59 | Amarande | then around when he hits level 9, this high level Hammerdin enters the game and goes hostile and decides to be a cad |
| 21:56.08 | Jamash | not eggdrop, that's an irc bot I think |
| 21:56.11 | Jamash | teardrop! |
| 21:56.13 | Amarande | so I come back with MY hammerdin and challenge him |
| 21:56.29 | Amarande | keep in mind. enemy hammerdin has all the "you HAVE TO have this to be a hammerdin!" duped RMT-bought gear |
| 21:56.55 | Amarande | I have only legitimate gear (most valuable item being a 102 def Shako), although pretty decent and got me through hell solo just fine |
| 21:56.56 | nevcairiel | i liked the necromancer, fun class to play with an army of skeletons and a golem as tank, shooting bone spears around |
| 21:57.07 | Jamash | teardrop used overlapping fragmented IP packets to crash winsock |
| 21:57.18 | Amarande | Well, there we are, standing there spinning hammers around and waiting for someone to screw up |
| 21:57.32 | Jamash | necro was good times |
| 21:57.33 | Amarande | ... and then he teleports right next to me, presumably for the kill, but he gets the angle wrong and gets instagibbed |
| 21:57.40 | Amarande | and HE calls ME a noob, wtf? |
| 21:57.45 | TC-Work | Except when you got stuck in tight quarters |
| 21:57.51 | Jamash | you're a noob because you didn't die when he wanted you to |
| 21:58.25 | Jamash | clearly if you were an upstanding and righteous pvper you would have known that his kung fu was better than yours and keeled over as desired |
| 21:58.32 | Amarande | heh |
| 21:58.42 | Jamash | oh god the act II bug tunnels |
| 21:58.44 | Jamash | as a necro |
| 21:58.47 | Jamash | not good times |
| 21:58.56 | Amarande | the act II bug tunnels sucked for pretty much everyone |
| 21:59.12 | Jamash | there's a reason I went assassin in lotd and never looked back |
| 21:59.21 | Jamash | lotd? wtf? LoD |
| 21:59.27 | Jamash | lord of the dance? |
| 21:59.29 | nevcairiel | the bug tunnels where horrible when you played in a party |
| 21:59.33 | Jamash | yes |
| 21:59.35 | Amarande | They got the nickname "faggot lair" from less mature players ... I wouldn't use such language myself, but it was hated like that for a reason |
| 21:59.42 | Jamash | you just did fyi |
| 22:00.25 | Amarande | Jamash: by that reckoning, one could never cite any source without being considered to endorse its attitude :P |
| 22:00.43 | Jamash | yeah for all diablo III's sameyness in terms of terrain at least it doesn't have corridors exactly one character wide |
| 22:00.55 | Amarande | anyway, let's see ... maggot lair experience, by class |
| 22:01.06 | Amarande | Necro? OMG I'M STUCK HERE AMONG MY SKELETONS I CAN'T MOVE GAH |
| 22:01.06 | Jamash | can't hit things, no LoS |
| 22:01.29 | Amarande | Sorc? MY EXPENSIVE SPELLS ONLY HIT ONE OR TWO MOBS AT A TIME GAH (unless you're chain lightning, then you laugh at everyone) |
| 22:01.37 | Jamash | sorc could port and go ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha |
| 22:01.58 | Amarande | Barb? THESE BUG SWARMS ARE IMMUNE TO PHYSICAL GAH GOTTA USE ZERK NOW I HAVE NO ARMOR HORDES HORDES *guhhhhhhh*. |
| 22:02.03 | Jamash | assassin had some kind of teleport kick too |
| 22:02.28 | Jamash | d2 was the origin of asking how clouds of bugs could drop full suits of plate mail |
| 22:02.37 | TC-Work | Skill |
| 22:02.40 | Jamash | still to this day a favorite gamer pastime |
| 22:02.41 | Amarande | Paladins also had a hard time of it because the damned bug swarms were immune to physical, though Vengeance might have helped, although a slow attack that only hits one target kinda sucks there too :| |
| 22:03.07 | nevcairiel | my paladin frequently had a weapon with bonus elemental damage of some sort |
| 22:03.10 | Amarande | Druids, I never really played druids enough to really get a hang of what they're good at (if they're even good at much, ROFL) |
| 22:03.26 | Jamash | druids are good at sorceresses using their skills |
| 22:03.33 | Amarande | Zons were probably okay, *if* you were an elemental damage oriented build |
| 22:03.54 | Amarande | since straight line lightning = yays there, and immolation arrow + chokepoints also = yays |
| 22:04.20 | Jamash | javazon yo |
| 22:04.34 | Jamash | god, carrying ammo |
| 22:04.34 | Amarande | I don't remember having much trouble as an assassin, but then, assassins also had good elemental damage if you built them right |
| 22:04.43 | Jamash | step one: build combo points |
| 22:04.44 | Amarande | and meteor phoenix strike + chokepoints = :D |
| 22:04.47 | Jamash | step two: hit someone |
| 22:04.51 | Jamash | step three: EXPLOSIONS |
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| 22:05.09 | Jamash | phoenix strike is the best thing in any video game |
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| 22:05.44 | Amarande | yeah, for all its gamer nostalgia, D2 was not the best balanced bulb in the box |
| 22:06.02 | Amarande | e.g., if you want to play the game through solo (maybe you're on single player, nowadays) |
| 22:06.12 | Amarande | if you're a Sorc, you will *ONLY* succeed if you are cold/lightning |
| 22:06.22 | Jamash | assassin was great because its model of build up power then unleash massive damage fits the diablo enemy model of tons of weaklings and a few brickhouses |
| 22:06.37 | nevcairiel | define play the game through for diablo 2 |
| 22:06.46 | nevcairiel | finish hell once? |
| 22:06.48 | Jamash | play through normal and nightmare and get bored |
| 22:06.50 | nevcairiel | reach 99? |
| 22:07.06 | Jamash | I never got to 60 I don't think |
| 22:07.11 | Amarande | nevcairiel: complete all three difficulties without having another player use town portals to skip you through quests |
| 22:07.32 | Amarande | if you are a single-element Sorc you WILL fail to finish Hell |
| 22:07.56 | Jamash | I have a friend who had multiple 99s |
| 22:07.58 | Amarande | if you are dual element, you still WILL fail to finish Hell unless the elements are cold and lightning, in which case it's always possible to do so |
| 22:07.58 | Jamash | he scares me |
| 22:08.11 | Amarande | (if you're tri-element you probably spread your skill points too thin and will have trouble, although it's probably possible) |
| 22:08.17 | nevcairiel | i reached 80 on one character |
| 22:08.21 | Jamash | grats |
| 22:08.40 | Amarande | the reason for this is because the choke point is the Travincal Council |
| 22:08.53 | Amarande | Cold/Lightning is the sole combination that will get you through them, and it will always get you through them |
| 22:09.27 | Amarande | and none of the other mandatory bosses are always immune to both of those (worst case, you have to restart the game to get a different boss spawn) |
| 22:10.10 | Amarande | actually probably not even that now, since now that Oblivion Knights no longer cast Iron Maiden, your merc can probably take Lord De Seis (the one most likely to get cold/lightning dual immune at all) |
| 22:10.32 | Amarande | unless they're truly epic geared though, your merc is going to be next to useless on council |
| 22:10.41 | Dagmar | Your asian is showing. |
| 22:11.47 | Gnarfoz | time for Top Gear in Burma (part 1) |
| 22:12.40 | Amarande | I was one of the major D2 mechanics researchers at the Amazon Basin forums years ago |
| 22:13.02 | Amarande | I also figured out exactly how those damned tomb vipers in Nihlathak's level actually work, which defangs them considerably |
| 22:13.39 | Amarande | Do not move within the cloud, unless you are directly teleporting out of the cloud, leaping out of the cloud, or are a Barbarian. That's basically the gist of it. :) |
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| 22:54.23 | Gnarfoz | what the... 20 lane roads xD |
| 22:57.22 | airtonix | how much turn signal you need for 20 lane road? |
| 22:57.37 | airtonix | none? good luck everybody! |
| 22:57.46 | Jamash | sounds like madness |
| 22:57.53 | Gnarfoz | 10 in each direction |
| 22:58.03 | Jamash | just pave the entire city |
| 22:58.05 | Gnarfoz | it's a highway, no turn signals, I guess |
| 22:58.19 | Jamash | hell of a way to run a railroad |
| 22:58.22 | Gnarfoz | that seems to have been the basic idea |
| 22:58.43 | airtonix | changing lanes still requires indicators |
| 22:58.53 | airtonix | at least by law in australia |
| 22:59.02 | Gnarfoz | indicators == turn signals? |
| 22:59.33 | airtonix | yes, an indicator is used to indicate your intention to deviate from current direction |
| 22:59.41 | airtonix | indicator |
| 22:59.47 | Gnarfoz | is that the same as a turn signal? |
| 22:59.50 | Jamash | GDAY BRUCE |
| 22:59.57 | airtonix | eye dee eye cee aye tee ooo are |
| 23:00.02 | airtonix | indicator |
| 23:00.07 | Jamash | idicator |
| 23:00.16 | Gnarfoz | I thought he meant what I would call "traffic lights" |
| 23:00.17 | airtonix | hey don't correct me |
| 23:00.23 | Amarande | 20 lane roads = Dude, you need moar mass transit in this area, BADLY |
| 23:00.25 | Jamash | I do what I want |
| 23:00.32 | airtonix | you don't know me |
| 23:00.44 | Gnarfoz | and it's Myanmar, so bugger your Austrayayayaylyan laws! :D |
| 23:00.46 | Jamash | that's, just, like, your opinion, man |
| 23:01.00 | airtonix | i keel you |
| 23:01.06 | Jamash | maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan |
| 23:01.20 | Jamash | I ain't gonna be part of your system! |
| 23:01.36 | Jamash | Happy birthday to the GROUND! |
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| 23:01.53 | Jamash | why is my steam inventory updating |
| 23:02.06 | airtonix | go to restart windows, need to do something important...."do not shutdown your computer, installing update 1 of 115" |
| 23:02.12 | airtonix | sigh |
| 23:02.33 | Gnarfoz | I like how Richard Hammond always "improves" his vehicles by adding lots of loose items to the inside which go flying all over the place at the first bump |
| 23:02.33 | airtonix | i guess nothing on windows is easy, fast or simple |
| 23:03.11 | Jamash | what is "pixel piracy" |
| 23:03.44 | Jamash | and why do I have two coupons for 25% off it |
| 23:05.33 | Gnarfoz | hahaha motorcyclist with a nazi ww2 helmet |
| 23:07.57 | airtonix | godwin and how to internet in five moves |
| 23:08.56 | Gnarfoz | nah, just Top Gear in Myanmar :D |
| 23:27.52 | pompy | Jamash: i just got them too |
| 23:27.53 | pompy | wtg |
| 23:27.54 | pompy | f |
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