| 00:09.31 | Kraps | yo |
| 00:09.52 | Kraps | leveling pets is a real slow business no? |
| 00:13.12 | Semlar-Laptop | depends on whether you already have 2 25s that can take down trainers |
| 00:25.10 | Guest42879 | http://metro.co.uk/2014/02/15/dad-on-school-run-cant-stop-laughing-at-pupils-slipping-on-ice-4305694/ |
| 00:30.12 | Neffi | Why does stuff like this make the news? |
| 00:31.29 | Guest42879 | nothing is happening |
| 00:31.36 | Guest42879 | hence, this |
| 00:31.48 | Guest42879 | the problem with the news is we always fill the same amount of space with news |
| 00:31.50 | Neffi | There's a lot happening in the world >_> |
| 00:31.53 | Guest42879 | regardless of how many events are going on |
| 00:32.24 | Neffi | In depth articles on foreign affairs are the exception, stuff like this is the rule, with a lot of news outlets |
| 00:35.46 | TC-Work | Guest42879: 10 min is kinda short. I managed to go for 15 min in a 5 v 3 aram yesterday. |
| 00:36.01 | Guest42879 | tbh |
| 00:36.05 | Guest42879 | it should have been a 6 minute game |
| 00:36.10 | TC-Work | surpisingly we had more kills |
| 00:36.15 | Guest42879 | we had the first 2 towers at 4 minutes |
| 00:36.24 | Guest42879 | and we aced them at 6 |
| 00:36.25 | TC-Work | any afks? |
| 00:36.29 | Guest42879 | but people were focused on kills instead of the nexus |
| 00:36.33 | Guest42879 | no, we just had 4 fucking ADCs |
| 00:36.35 | Guest42879 | and me as Ahri |
| 00:36.36 | Guest42879 | so |
| 00:36.56 | TC-Work | ouch |
| 00:37.14 | Guest42879 | as we took the first tower |
| 00:37.20 | Guest42879 | in all chat someone said "yo this is bs" |
| 00:37.36 | Guest42879 | and at that point we were determined to see how quickly we could end it |
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| 01:52.48 | karl_w_w | I miss having a context menu button on my keyboard |
| 02:01.06 | TC-Work | So get a keyboard with one? |
| 02:01.19 | Neffi | I think the only time I've used that key was trying to fix a computer with no functional mouse |
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| 02:25.35 | Neffi | smooches Semlar |
| 02:28.54 | Semlar | explodes |
| 02:30.47 | Neffi | I'm making teh Skyrim mod. You should get Skyrim and test it |
| 02:31.49 | Neffi | Outdoor player "house" type thing. A little remote campsite+gazebo+wooden platform sort of thing tucked away near a scenic area like a waterfall |
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| 02:40.49 | kd3 | I wonder how twitch plays pokemon is going |
| 02:40.59 | kd3 | ...73k? good god |
| 02:41.24 | Amarande | yeah, good gods indeed |
| 02:41.39 | Amarande | to me Pokemon doesn't even really seem like the kind of game that would do well as a video LP, let alone a Twitch |
| 02:41.49 | Amarande | it's definitely more screenshot LP material really :S |
| 02:42.29 | pompy | http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/02/bizarre-attack-infects-linksys-routers-with-self-replicating-malware/ |
| 02:42.31 | pompy | "Linksys will be working on the affected products with a firmware fix that is planned to be posted on our website in the coming weeks." |
| 02:42.41 | pompy | it should be fixed and released A S A P!! |
| 02:43.13 | Amarande | Also which Pokemon is it that has that blue background with white text on it ... I've seen screenshots of it and at first before I read the text they looked like weather forecasts LOL |
| 02:44.04 | Semlar | pokemon is going to be the most popular game on twitch |
| 02:44.05 | Amarande | pompy: would you rather they rush out a buggy firmware fix that causes mass brickings :| |
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| 02:44.39 | Amarande | pompy: that would be like saying "oh sorry, for the sake of the security of the Internet we broke all of your routers permanently, please pony up another $100-200 a person for a new decent router" |
| 02:44.41 | kd3 | tbqh I'm shocked nintendo hasn't said "shut it down" yet? |
| 02:45.01 | Amarande | kd3: twitch seems pretty much no different from live video LPs |
| 02:45.09 | Arrowmaster | they are probably loving publicity |
| 02:45.24 | Amarande | and I can't say I can think of a single games company that has actively tried to shut down LPs |
| 02:45.28 | kd3 | nintendo has shut down publicity-grabbing things before |
| 02:45.34 | kd3 | uh, nintendo? |
| 02:45.36 | Arrowmaster | very true |
| 02:45.46 | pompy | Amarande: no, but im sure its an easy fix ;) |
| 02:46.44 | Arrowmaster | probably not |
| 02:47.03 | Amarande | kd3: heh, lparchive is crawling with Mario LPs, among other things, haven't seen them ever post any news saying Nintendo's sending them a C&D |
| 02:47.09 | Arrowmaster | those models probably use the closed firmware |
| 02:47.15 | pompy | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:48.09 | pompy | i have the wrt120n routre |
| 02:49.19 | kd3 | holy crap. our lord and savior, GabeN, posted to reddit: http://redd.it/1y70ej |
| 02:49.37 | Amarande | hm |
| 02:49.41 | Amarande | glad I switched to D-Link last year :) |
| 02:50.42 | Amarande | tried running ... was it dd-wrt or openwrt on my WRT54G, I can't remember which now off the top of my head :S |
| 02:51.15 | Amarande | ended up with a buggy version that made the router useless, so I decided, meh, time to move on to wireless N and gigabit anyways and just got a DIR-825 while it was on sale at Tiger |
| 02:52.52 | karl_w_w | d-link are the worst vendor of networking equipment there is |
| 02:53.14 | Amarande | by "useless" I mean for some reason it never managed to properly negotiate an IP address with my cable modem, and it apparently failed to include the necessary drivers for the wifi radio *facepalm* |
| 02:53.23 | karl_w_w | you can't even say you get what you pay for, because there are other brands the same price or cheaper which are better |
| 02:53.32 | Amarande | the configuration interface and the wired LAN ports worked just dandy ... heh |
| 02:54.30 | Amarande | karl_w_w: it's been working pretty damn good in my experience, and I didn't pay anywhere near full price for it anyway |
| 02:54.35 | Amarande | full price was something like $150, I got it for $90 |
| 02:54.54 | Amarande | wow looks like it's up to $190 on newegg atm |
| 02:55.40 | karl_w_w | anyone use anidb o'matic? kd3? |
| 02:56.01 | kd3 | yah |
| 02:56.19 | kd3 | `winetricks msxml` and you should be good |
| 02:56.47 | karl_w_w | is there a way to mass add the generic file for all the episodes in a series? |
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| 02:57.08 | kd3 | in aom? I don't think so... |
| 02:57.11 | kd3 | fires it up |
| 02:58.03 | karl_w_w | seems silly that the only way to do it is go through them all one by one |
| 02:58.20 | kd3 | anidb is not exactly the pinnacle of user friendly ui |
| 02:58.44 | karl_w_w | no :P |
| 03:01.46 | karl_w_w | oh there is |
| 03:02.13 | karl_w_w | right click the series, anime -> select the most popular files |
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| 03:11.42 | Amarande | hm, from one of the ars comments ... |
| 03:11.45 | Amarande | "And it's of great concern that Linksys was recently sold by Cisco (which has ample security resources) to Belkin (which does not). Will Belkin be able to handle this breach as Cisco could have?" |
| 03:11.51 | Amarande | Based on my experience with Belkin routers, probably not. |
| 03:12.09 | Amarande | I made the mistake of buying a Belkin router once, as my first foray into wireless N about a year before I got the D-Link. |
| 03:12.17 | Amarande | It was utter shit. I updated it to the latest firmware ... and it was still utter shit. |
| 03:12.30 | Amarande | We're talking my Internet was literally SLOWER with it than it was on the WRT54G. |
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| 03:12.46 | Amarande | It went back to Radio Shack a day or two later. |
| 03:13.01 | Iriel | has a WRT54G running open firmware and it's been reliable and fine |
| 03:13.14 | Iriel | but it's my tertiary network, so who knows |
| 03:13.34 | Iriel | maybe i'm just not asking enough of it for it to break |
| 03:13.39 | bluspacecow | Torhal: I just got my email for my Curse Premium acct thanks |
| 03:13.50 | bluspacecow | thought I already had one as I got a ESO beta key |
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| 03:13.52 | bluspacecow | :3 |
| 03:13.57 | Torhal | bluspacecow: o.O |
| 03:14.39 | bluspacecow | *swivels and crinks neck* |
| 03:14.44 | bluspacecow | <----------------------- just got up |
| 03:16.09 | bluspacecow | return path @mandrillapp.com |
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| 03:16.58 | bluspacecow | headers seem to check out |
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| 03:17.12 | bluspacecow | it's just odd it comes after my beta key from it come. |
| 03:17.15 | bluspacecow | ! |
| 03:17.19 | Arrowmaster | karl_w_w: i tired AOM once but then used WebAOM instead |
| 03:17.21 | bluspacecow | a MentalPower appears! |
| 03:17.25 | bluspacecow | *noms* |
| 03:17.44 | bluspacecow | That's sounds like it should be occupied with a Grumpy Cat GIF , Arrowmaster |
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| 03:38.47 | Amarande | hm, this has got to be the most head-shaking monstrosity known to man, computer component wise ... |
| 03:38.48 | Amarande | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128595 |
| 03:40.12 | Corrodias | Gigabyte does tend to pack a lot of Stuff into their motherboards |
| 03:40.52 | Amarande | Corrodias: it's more, why would anyone want to buy that mobo |
| 03:41.06 | Amarande | if you're going to spend $400 on your gaming mobo, especially if you're doing it for that much PCI Express support |
| 03:41.26 | Amarande | ... why are you even using LGA1150 anyway, would seem you'd be squarely in the target market for LGA2011 |
| 03:41.45 | Corrodias | i... sorry, i have no idea what the socket types are for at the moment |
| 03:41.59 | Amarande | Corrodias: LGA1150 = current standard desktop Haswell socket |
| 03:42.02 | Corrodias | not offhand, anyway |
| 03:42.05 | Amarande | LGA2011 = current luxury (extreme edition) socket |
| 03:42.37 | Amarande | and usually the big reasons to get the extreme edition are for extra RAM capacity or extra video card PCI-E capacity or both |
| 03:42.50 | Amarande | and usually the mobos are super pricey as well |
| 03:42.58 | Corrodias | hmm. i could see there being a market for someone who is willing to spend $2000 on video cards but not on a single CPU |
| 03:43.15 | Corrodias | (i jest; i know they're closer to $1000) |
| 03:43.24 | Amarande | actually, the quad-core LGA 2011 CPUs don't really cost much more (actually sometimes a bit less, even) than the desktop socket i7's |
| 03:43.28 | Neffi | "extra RAM capacity" <- 32 GB isn't enough? |
| 03:43.42 | tz | I gotta get a new LGA2011 mobo >_< |
| 03:43.48 | bluspacecow | http://bitsandpieces.us/2013/08/08/caption-contest-483/ |
| 03:43.49 | Amarande | e.g. i7-4820K is $299, the corresponding K CPU in the desktop socket lineup is the i7-3770K which is $359 |
| 03:43.50 | tz | old one won't power on any more ;( |
| 03:43.58 | Corrodias | but still, spend $100 more on a motherboard and save $750 on the CPU... |
| 03:44.23 | Corrodias | oh, then, i have no idea. that doesn't sound very "extreme". |
| 03:44.35 | Amarande | Corrodias: except that the LGA 2011 socket actually delivers extra PCI-E lanes, which you probably actually want if you're going to use as many video cards as that green Gigabyte monster indicates you'd be wanting to use :) |
| 03:44.37 | Corrodias | intel's "extreme" chips in previous generations were much more expensive |
| 03:45.09 | Amarande | there's usually three tiers for the "extreme" socket nowadays |
| 03:45.13 | Neffi | The X chips are for the people with a shitload of money to the point where dropping an extra $2000 on a PC for a couple percent performance boost is no problem |
| 03:45.15 | Corrodias | oh, that would be an important consideration! |
| 03:45.50 | Amarande | there's the i7-x820(Ivy is K, Sandy is locked multiplier) which is a quad core and goes for about the price of a regular i7 |
| 03:46.07 | Amarande | then the i7-x930K which is a six-core and goes for about $500-600 |
| 03:46.32 | Amarande | and then the i7-x960X which is also a six-core, I'm still foggyish on just what extra it brings to the table to justify the price shooting up to $1100 |
| 03:46.43 | Amarande | (especially since the tier just below it is always a K CPU, which can be OC'd to the same speed easily) |
| 03:46.58 | Neffi | Higher cache, probably binned for higher clocks/stability |
| 03:48.07 | Amarande | oh, and on Haswell the i7-5820K will be a six core instead of four, and the i7-5960X will be, for the very first time in Intel history, an octa core i7 |
| 03:48.11 | Amarande | those aren't out yet, though |
| 03:48.32 | Amarande | I suppose some folks might find the X price to be worth it for an octa core at least |
| 03:48.53 | Amarande | especially since hitherto the only way to get a gaming speed true octacore has been the E5-2687W series Xeons, which go for about $2100 |
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| 03:50.03 | Amarande | (and also guzzle a staggering 150 W, more than any other current gen desktop or workstation CPU I'm aware of besides those obscene 9000 series AMD Visheras) |
| 03:54.50 | Trela | I am moving from two X5355 to one i7-4771. Still going to more than double the performance and cut the energy into less than half. So I am happy with LGA1150. :D |
| 03:56.02 | tz | I've got a 3930K, so unless I go to a 49xx it'll be a downgrade at this point :( |
| 03:56.50 | Amarande | tz: and apparently 59xx is going to be severely handicapped :( |
| 03:57.02 | tz | howso |
| 03:57.04 | Amarande | mainly, it's unclear that DDR4 is really even an upgrade from DDR3 at all, at least at launch |
| 03:57.09 | tz | ah |
| 03:57.26 | Amarande | tz: one of the big selling points of LGA2011 was always the oodles of RAM slots |
| 03:57.30 | tz | well my dead machine has 32GB of DDR3, don't particularly want new ram to replace it |
| 03:57.42 | Amarande | with DDR4, LGA2011 boards will have four slots only, and consumer boards will likely have just two |
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| 03:57.52 | tz | great. |
| 03:57.54 | tz | ugh. |
| 03:57.59 | Amarande | because apparently the way DDR4 is designed, you can only get ONE DIMM PER CHANNEL |
| 03:58.01 | Neffi | Amarande: Hint: if you're not sure if you need more RAM bandwidth, then you definitely don't, unless you're using an integrated GPU |
| 03:58.30 | Amarande | it's basically an inherent limitation of the system for the most part ... I've heard of DDR4 systems that will be able to use 2 or 3 DIMMs per channel but apparently that works with registered RAM only |
| 03:59.18 | Amarande | Neffi: yeah, that's another thing, the bandwidth (well, for one, at launch it'll only be about the speed of extreme-performance DDR3 ...) is about the only big improvement |
| 03:59.22 | tz | so basically I should just replace the mobo at this point and keep cpu/ram/etc. |
| 03:59.23 | Amarande | and meanwhile I'm sure we'll take another CL hit again |
| 03:59.25 | tz | grumble grumble |
| 03:59.41 | Primer | PB4 still not loading all frames when I join an in-progress bg... |
| 04:00.11 | Amarande | latency for bandwidth is a poor trade for RAM except for graphics purposes, otherwise GDDR5 would be used for system RAM as well as graphics :S |
| 04:00.46 | Amarande | well, and some other specialised uses I suppose |
| 04:01.07 | Amarande | it might work out in say a computer manufacture shop where you need to be constantly copying the same image out to drive after drive after drive, but that's about the only really good scenario I can think of for that |
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| 04:02.00 | Amarande | I'm currently eyeing getting two sticks of 8GB DDR3-1600 with my next mobo/CPU instead of carrying over the 4x4 sticks of 1333 I have now |
| 04:02.14 | Amarande | but that's not so much the bandwidth as hearing about Intel processors being fussy with 4-DIMM configurations |
| 04:02.34 | karl_w_w | http://www.twitch.tv/trumpsc actually pretty epic |
| 04:02.46 | Amarande | (from what it sounds like, to get 4 DIMMs in dual channel on Intel you almost have to buy a quad channel kit, because if the two pairs of dual channel aren't absolutely identical you can get ... problems) |
| 04:03.00 | karl_w_w | beating decks full of legendaries at rank 3 with no legendaries or even epics of his own |
| 04:03.05 | Trela | RAM prices have gone up. 16 GBs I paid about $115 for last year was $160 now.(Actually, coupon for $131, but that was the full price.) |
| 04:03.21 | Amarande | and by absolutely identical I mean exactly that, even some nebulous difference like the "version" number on Corsair XMS3 can be enough to cause issues on Intel apparently |
| 04:03.40 | Amarande | (and my DDR3 sticks *are* Corsair XMS3. and they *are* different version numbers *le sigh*) |
| 04:05.00 | Amarande | atm I'm trying to figure out why newegg has so disproportionately many bad reviews for Gigabyte Z87 boards |
| 04:05.09 | Amarande | even ones recommended by places like tomshardware and the like :| |
| 04:05.43 | Neffi | A recommendation from Tom's Hardware doesn't count for much |
| 04:05.49 | Neffi | Maybe go and read the reviews? |
| 04:05.54 | Amarande | some are the usual dumbassed stuff "my unit was DOA so the product must suck!" or "I didn't reinstall Windows like I should have when I swapped mobos & I got a BSOD" |
| 04:06.36 | Amarande | but others seem to be a little bothering, like issues with 4-DIMM configurations and such (though this seems to come up a lot on Intel boards ... I'm not 100% sure it's actually the board models at fault now, Intel may have fussy CPUs) |
| 04:06.40 | Neffi | If there's a disproportionately large amount of "my unit was DOA" it could definitely be indicative of bad quality control and batches of bad boards going out, so it's not unfair to count that against |
| 04:07.10 | Amarande | yeah, part of me is wondering if this means "you might want this board, it's got some good reviews and tomshardware liked it, but you might not want to get it from THIS retailer" |
| 04:07.33 | Amarande | since I get the impression that defects tend to run in batches and a given retailer tends to get most of their stock of a given foo from the same batch |
| 04:07.42 | Primer | WTF? Why should you re-install windows if you switch a motherboard? |
| 04:08.01 | Amarande | Primer: to ensure no issues due to mismatched/crufty drivers |
| 04:08.12 | Amarande | especially if you're switching between different chipsets/CPU makes |
| 04:08.13 | Primer | yeah, you don't need to do that any more |
| 04:08.34 | Amarande | hm. even if I go from AMD 970 to Intel Z87? |
| 04:08.40 | Neffi | ...doesn't Windows require you to reinstall when you swap your mobo? |
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| 04:09.10 | Primer | Surely not? |
| 04:09.47 | Amarande | Neffi: it will probably require you to reactivate |
| 04:09.49 | tz | nope, I swapped this one into an AMD mobo and it booted up fine once I'd disabled the asus USB3 drivers |
| 04:09.56 | Amarande | it may or may not boot up properly without a full reinstall |
| 04:10.11 | Amarande | mostly depending on whether it tries to load incompatible drivers that make it fall on its face |
| 04:10.12 | Primer | surely safe mode is enough? |
| 04:10.27 | Neffi | Hmm. I was told that a while ago. Never questioned it. It seemed reasonable for MS to impose such a limit |
| 04:10.37 | Primer | reasonable! |
| 04:10.42 | Primer | Now who's trolling? |
| 04:10.44 | Neffi | "for MS" |
| 04:10.44 | Amarande | it's not as trouble-free as Linux, certainly |
| 04:10.59 | tz | I dunno this was about as trouble-free as I'd seen on linux too |
| 04:11.20 | Amarande | on most Linux distros you can basically move a hard drive into a totally alien computer and have it boot without a qualm, as long as the CPU arch matches (and you're not trying to load proprietary X drivers for the wrong GPU maker) |
| 04:11.24 | tz | grub couldn't cope swapping from an EFI mobo to a BIOS mobo on this thing, windows was fine |
| 04:11.46 | Neffi | Yeah that's the benefit of using a generic kernel with most drivers preinstalled |
| 04:11.46 | Amarande | tz: huh. normally swapping between EFI and BIOS on Windows *should* require a reinstall |
| 04:11.46 | Corrodias | that CPU architecture match is pretty specific, i imagine? |
| 04:11.55 | tz | Amarande: that's what I thought too! |
| 04:12.04 | Trela | If you change enough hardware all at once Windows will have a hissy fit. As in, moving the hard drive to an entirely new hardware setup. Yet, if you change one component at a time and keep rebooting it is fooled. >_> |
| 04:12.15 | Trela | * at a |
| 04:12.20 | Trela | That is my experience at least. |
| 04:12.32 | tz | all I know was I went from an Intel 3930K on a X79 mobo to an AMD phenom X6 1055T, and windows just booted up saying it was setting up devices |
| 04:12.34 | Corrodias | it's the motherboard that windows might have trouble coping with, as an individual change |
| 04:12.37 | Amarande | for reasons that are orthogonal to the ability of Windows itself to run on the changed setting |
| 04:12.54 | Amarande | it's because Windows is designed that on UEFI it will boot only if the boot drive is GPT, and on BIOS it will boot only if the boot drive is MBR |
| 04:12.55 | Corrodias | there's a thing you can do to have it remove all drivers and be prepared to be moved to a new computer, though |
| 04:13.01 | tz | as far as windows is concerned, the only shared hardware would've been the HDD it was installed on, and a graphics card |
| 04:13.15 | tz | shrugs |
| 04:13.16 | Amarande | and since you can't switch between GPT and MBR without a full wipe and format, you need to reinstall to switch between UEFI and BIOS as well |
| 04:13.18 | Amarande | or so I understood it |
| 04:14.00 | tz | don't get me wrong, I was expecting a complete hissy fit, I was pleasantly surprised |
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| 04:14.23 | Corrodias | i think windows can boot off MBR on UEFI |
| 04:14.34 | Amarande | also did I use the word 'orthogonal' properly there, heh |
| 04:15.08 | Trela | UEFI can be told to boot legacy mode as well. |
| 04:15.29 | Corrodias | right. my system drive is MBR. if you have an MBR drive it might be capable of swapping between the two without reinstalling. |
| 04:15.41 | Trela | <Windows> Hey, you're not a BIOS... <UEFI> *Puts on a mask.* LULZ TOTALLY A BIOS. <Windows> OKAY! ^-^ |
| 04:15.42 | Trela | \ |
| 04:30.00 | bluspacecow | meanwhile UEFI is like *trollface* behind the mask |
| 04:32.35 | pompy | http://www.ibtimes.com/kickstarter-hacked-ceo-urges-users-change-passwords-1556199 |
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| 04:55.30 | Amarande | sigh. newegg, why must you have such a worrying record on gigabyte z87 boards |
| 04:55.38 | Amarande | now I'm starting to feel like I should look at asus or msi instead |
| 04:55.55 | Amarande | despite the fact that gigabyte was good to me on this AMD setup, and meanwhile, on the flip side, last time I used Intel, ASUS was very very bad to me :| |
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| 04:59.49 | Trela | Amarande: Gigabyte does? O_o My current Gigabyte had good reviews and has been perfect to me. I am getting another this week too. |
| 05:14.21 | Amarande | Trela: I'm actually not so much thinking it's a problem with Gigabyte themselves |
| 05:14.22 | Amarande | I'm beginning to get a feeling like Newegg received a bum shipment of Gigabyte boards recently |
| 05:14.22 | Amarande | at least, when they sourced their Z87 stock |
| 05:14.22 | Amarande | maybe the shipping guys dropped the box on the floor once too many on its way over from Taiwan :S |
| 05:14.22 | Trela | So much stupid in Newegg reviews. |
| 05:14.22 | Amarande | it would explain why people are having so many problems with the Z87 models (and why one guy even got a board with visible physical damage on it ... I'm sure Gigabyte wouldn't have packaged it for sale if it was that defective at the factory) |
| 05:14.22 | Trela | "Cons: Will not work with intel HD 4600 graphics. There is no video output ofter the initial splash screen. This seems to be an intel driver issue. The common workaround is to set it up using the VGA port, then switch to HDMI. Unfortunately, this board does not have a VGA output. My choices are to throw the board in the garbage or find some other use, as there is no room for a video card in it's intended application." |
| 05:14.22 | Trela | The included DVI-I has VGA built in... *Head desk* |
| 05:14.22 | Amarande | Trela: eh, semi understandable |
| 05:14.22 | Trela | Yeah, mine have been fine so far. *Shrugs* I can let you know if my new one is broken. |
| 05:14.23 | Amarande | how many people are really savvy enough about the multiple types of DVI port to know that sort of thing off the top of their head? |
| 05:14.23 | Amarande | though yeah, some reviewers are just dumb, like when it's obviously a problem with windows or drivers |
| 05:14.23 | Amarande | I remember seeing one ASRock board get put through the wringer by a newegg reviewer |
| 05:14.24 | Amarande | who eventually had to post an updated review that was much nicer, because it turned out that the board was just fine and ASRock mistakenly left a critically buggy version of Intel Rapid Storage drivers up on their site |
| 05:14.24 | Amarande | (as soon as he got the latest IRST driver from Intel's site the problems all went away) |
| 05:14.24 | Trela | *Looks up manual.* It's noted in the manual. |
| 05:14.35 | Corrodias | heh... this is why i only get drivers from the motherboard web site as a last resort |
| 05:15.07 | Corrodias | Gigabyte usually seems pretty solid. |
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| 05:15.29 | Corrodias | i've had, i think, 3 motherboards from them, and they've all had little quirks. |
| 05:15.44 | Amarande | yeah, my GA-970A-DS3 even overclocks really strongly despite the utter lack of heatsinks on the VRMs |
| 05:15.53 | Amarande | either that, or I just haven't managed to kill it yet LOL |
| 05:15.57 | Corrodias | one wouldn't soft power off, one wouldn't overclock OR underclock -at all- (i think it didn't like my RAM)... i forget the third |
| 05:16.31 | Corrodias | that said, they all worked pretty great otherwise |
| 05:16.45 | Amarande | I'm considering ASUS also, but there is the fact that I'm going with a Xeon E3-1240 V3, and the ASUS board or two I've looked at indicate that Xeon E3 support was added in a BIOS revision that is not the first |
| 05:16.58 | Amarande | which always leaves me with that nagging worry that I will get the unit with a BIOS that is too old |
| 05:17.11 | Corrodias | surely you have a spare CPU sitting around that fits that socket :V |
| 05:17.13 | Amarande | and if I have to buy a Celeron to update the BIOS, it wipes out all the savings I got from getting the E3 instead of an i7 heh |
| 05:17.30 | Amarande | nope, my only spare-parts Intels are for LGA 1155 |
| 05:17.54 | Amarande | I thought of that at first, then I facepalmed "Ama you doof you're getting a Haswell, a Sandy is not going to help you there" |
| 05:19.10 | Corrodias | that's a tough situation. i don't know what you'd do if your CPU wouldn't work. although i wonder, does it refuse to boot at all, or does it only have -limited- support for a newer CPU? like, it runs at a lower clock? |
| 05:20.12 | Amarande | that I don't know, heh |
| 05:20.35 | Amarande | E3-1240 V3 is extremely similar to the i7-4770 apart from not having an IGP, having a slightly lower TDP, and being a little lower priced |
| 05:20.43 | Amarande | so I'm not sure if it would try to treat it as a 4770 or not |
| 05:21.04 | Amarande | it would probably BSOD horrendously, from what I gather of people who've tried installing incompatible CPUs in boards and getting them to boot part way |
| 05:21.28 | Amarande | e.g., the AMD board I have now does not support any Vishera 8-"core" chips except for the hard to find FX-8300 |
| 05:21.45 | Amarande | one guy did try to use an FX-8320 in it ... it POSTed and then gave him basically nonstop BSOD action |
| 05:21.59 | Amarande | and the gigabyte guy on the forums said it was a wonder he got the thing to start at all |
| 05:22.19 | Corrodias | you only really need to get it to readch the BIOS to flash it |
| 05:22.28 | Amarande | wait, come to think of it |
| 05:22.31 | Amarande | I was thinking about ASUS boards |
| 05:22.42 | Amarande | the better ASUS boards tend to be the ones where you don't even NEED a CPU to flash them |
| 05:22.56 | Trela | derps, forgot she was talking in here. |
| 05:23.43 | Corrodias | wow |
| 05:24.45 | Thunder_Child | Do you often stop talking in the middle of conversations? |
| 05:24.58 | Amarande | Corrodias: yeah they've got some kind of special USB port where you just plug in a flash drive & can recover the BIOS even if it's totally unbootable |
| 05:25.02 | Amarande | even if there isn't even a CPU in the socket |
| 05:25.12 | Corrodias | that is neat as heck |
| 05:26.32 | Amarande | It's why I actually recommend the P9X79 as the sole warm-fuzzies option for those going LGA 2011 and wanting to start with Ivy |
| 05:26.52 | Amarande | because with anyone else, it's a possible 300, and maybe even 500 dollar setback if the BIOS comes too old |
| 05:26.58 | Trela | Gigabyte just has a dual firmware for that solution. First one broke? Boots from the second to flash the first. |
| 05:27.17 | Amarande | Trela: that works in case of bricking, but in the case of ASUS it also saves you if the BIOS is too old for your CPU |
| 05:27.19 | Corrodias | Trela: that's good for a bad flash, but doesn't help if your BIOS doesn't support your CPU |
| 05:27.31 | Trela | Oh yeah. >_> |
| 05:27.33 | Amarande | anything but ASUS, and you have to suck it up and buy another CPU that does work so you can flash it |
| 05:27.59 | Amarande | given that I'm saving just $30 on the Xeon compared to the i7, having to buy a Celeron would be a celossal fail LOL |
| 05:28.01 | Corrodias | or hope it can at least reach the BIOS so you can run the update. |
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| 05:31.31 | Semlar | i see twitch has made zero progress in the last 6 hours |
| 05:32.03 | Semlar | they may have met their match |
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| 05:33.50 | kd3 | are they still stuck in the team rocket building? |
| 05:34.10 | Semlar | they can't get past the arrow maze |
| 05:34.31 | Semlar | it would take a miracle |
| 05:34.43 | Trela | The people spamming start... *Face palm.* |
| 05:38.24 | Semlar | there's another, larger arrow maze later in the building |
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| 07:04.49 | kd3 | ~ping |
| 07:04.49 | purl | ~pong |
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| 07:26.52 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
| 07:26.59 | Fisker | You probably know this |
| 07:27.25 | Fisker | what is the preferred these days, OpenOffice or LibreOffice? |
| 07:28.01 | karl_w_w | ooh ooh I know this I can I answer? |
| 07:28.08 | karl_w_w | puts hand up |
| 07:28.32 | Fisker | nope karl_w_w |
| 07:30.03 | karl_w_w | :( |
| 07:31.13 | Fisker | :) |
| 07:32.05 | Fisker | went with libre though |
| 07:32.16 | Fisker | was that your answer karl_w_w ? |
| 07:33.23 | karl_w_w | yes! |
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| 08:12.18 | Jamash | libre is not Oracle, so, draw your own conclusions |
| 08:21.30 | Corrodias | neither is OpenOffice; the whole thing has been transferred to Apache |
| 08:21.37 | Corrodias | i'm not sure what the point of it is |
| 08:22.05 | Corrodias | they're approximately equivalent right now. redundancy for its own sake, perhaps. |
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| 10:27.38 | Guest42879 | Thunder_Child: http://www.twitch.tv/shirikii/c/3744964 |
| 10:46.28 | nevcairiel | look a guest |
| 10:47.52 | Stanzilla | microsoft ux designer about metro http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/1xvbsm/windows_8_sells_100_million_fewer_copies_than/cff3y35 |
| 10:47.58 | Stanzilla | very good read |
| 10:48.35 | zenzio | I take anything of "X from Y"-posts with a grain of salt |
| 10:49.31 | Alram | its RUINED jleclanche http://www.twitch.tv/twitchplayspokemon |
| 10:54.52 | karl_w_w | Guest42879, "We could not find the video file for this quality" |
| 10:55.41 | Guest42879 | karl_w_w: click harder |
| 11:03.10 | karl_w_w | it finally worked, shame I don't understand what happened :P |
| 11:10.30 | jleclanche | Alram: what happened? another one got released? |
| 11:10.47 | Alram | nah |
| 11:10.51 | Alram | the owner changed it to a vote system |
| 11:10.59 | Alram | and a new system where you can say combos |
| 11:11.03 | Alram | and everyone kept doing start9 |
| 11:11.10 | Alram | so it pressed start 9 times over and over |
| 11:11.20 | Alram | he rolled it back now |
| 11:11.29 | jleclanche | so its not ruined |
| 11:11.29 | jleclanche | :p |
| 11:11.34 | Alram | its unruined now |
| 11:13.45 | Guest42879 | wait he really changed it to a vote system? |
| 11:14.12 | Guest42879 | that would just encourage 4chan to go nuts |
| 11:14.24 | Guest42879 | or destroy the sacred helix fossil |
| 11:15.04 | Alram | yeah everyone went nuts for a while |
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| 12:41.55 | DJJeff | Patch 5.4.7 is upon us? |
| 12:42.16 | DJJeff | oh pokemon is more important I am sorry |
| 12:47.41 | DJJeff | pompy: http://bpaste.net/raw/180434/ |
| 12:47.51 | DJJeff | my logs are full of that crap |
| 12:48.38 | nevcairiel | wtf is HNAP1 |
| 12:48.51 | DJJeff | its a linksys router exploit |
| 12:48.57 | nevcairiel | i see |
| 12:49.03 | DJJeff | google is your friend mate |
| 12:49.10 | nevcairiel | asking is easier |
| 12:50.03 | DJJeff | pompy posted a link about it in the channel in the scrollback |
| 12:51.46 | DJJeff | will we have to download the patch when battle net goes back up? |
| 12:51.55 | DJJeff | or do we have most of it preloaded |
| 12:52.32 | nevcairiel | no preload |
| 12:52.39 | nevcairiel | but its a rather small patch |
| 12:52.51 | DJJeff | awesome! |
| 12:53.09 | DJJeff | I wanna try to be 1 of the 1st people signed on when realms go back up |
| 12:53.22 | nevcairiel | usually downloads go online long before realms come back |
| 12:55.55 | DJJeff | good to know |
| 13:01.09 | Neffi | http://imgur.com/gallery/4ImOV |
| 13:01.14 | Maldivia | DJJeff: the patch is 31.7 MB |
| 13:01.25 | DJJeff | source? |
| 13:02.03 | Maldivia | adding together the 3 files that in the patch (well, Win and enUS) |
| 13:03.05 | DJJeff | asking where you found out that it is ~31 MB |
| 13:03.52 | Maldivia | .exe patch is 28633456 bytes, base patch is 4551246 bytes, enUS patch is 53973 bytes |
| 13:04.01 | Maldivia | that added together gives 31.7 MB |
| 13:05.16 | DJJeff | (shakes head) exactly where do you see the size of the patches? |
| 13:05.27 | Maldivia | the patch files are already available on the CDN, the patch server just haven't been told to serve them yet |
| 13:05.30 | DJJeff | like on your computer? or a site somewhere |
| 13:05.50 | DJJeff | oh ok so you looked at the patch site |
| 13:06.16 | Maldivia | since that's the official source of the patch files -- where else would I look!? :P |
| 13:09.08 | DJJeff | I just noticed that alot of the checking for linksys exploit are .rr.com (road runner) |
| 13:09.19 | DJJeff | its probley setup to once infected scan for others to infect |
| 13:10.41 | nevcairiel | of course, much easier than trying to scan the entire internet yourself |
| 13:12.56 | DJJeff | http://bpaste.net/show/180439/ |
| 13:13.05 | DJJeff | this one contains user agents |
| 13:13.36 | DJJeff | couple Mac OSX haha |
| 13:13.41 | DJJeff | oh wow |
| 13:14.18 | nevcairiel | might try to infect the systems behind the router instead of the router itself |
| 13:14.22 | DJJeff | when battle.net goes down I sift through linux logs.... sigh |
| 13:15.01 | DJJeff | I even took the time to setup a SSH honeypot... which logs all user/pass attempts and commands given |
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| 13:15.59 | nevcairiel | which brings me to one interesting question, since I'm getting IPv6 tomorrow (finally), my PC will for the first time be able to be connected to the internet without a NAT protecting from incoming traffic ... now, I don't expect IPv6 to be used for malware quite as much yet, but still keeps me wondering if I shouldn't tell the router to block forwarding incoming connections :p |
| 13:16.30 | DJJeff | not a bad haul here... |
| 13:16.31 | DJJeff | http://bpaste.net/show/180441/ |
| 13:17.03 | karl_w_w | most routers have a firewall turned on anyway? |
| 13:17.21 | DJJeff | my ISP refuse to give out IPv6 to residential customers |
| 13:17.35 | nevcairiel | well yes its on by default, but I do like the idea of not having to worry about connections coming through |
| 13:17.37 | DJJeff | even tho I pay close to $140 / mth for my internetz |
| 13:17.53 | nevcairiel | I do run a firewall on this system anyway, but shrug |
| 13:18.22 | mitch0 | balckhole everything incoming |
| 13:18.27 | DJJeff | you can be behind like 200 NAT/Firewalls and still get infected |
| 13:18.35 | DJJeff | if you goto or visit the wrong page |
| 13:18.53 | DJJeff | no such thing as 100% protection |
| 13:18.58 | nevcairiel | of course not |
| 13:18.59 | DJJeff | even condoms break my friend |
| 13:23.43 | Kalroth | sure there is such a thing as 100% protection, it's called WoW |
| 13:24.00 | Kalroth | wont need to worry about condoms! |
| 13:24.11 | DJJeff | protection from what? |
| 13:24.21 | DJJeff | WoW goes down for maint and patches |
| 13:24.37 | DJJeff | not quite 100% ;-) |
| 13:24.57 | Kalroth | i meant in reference to needing a condom |
| 13:29.13 | DJJeff | http://us.version.worldofwarcraft.com/update/PatchSequenceFile.txt |
| 13:29.17 | DJJeff | this looks anchient |
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| 13:45.22 | zenzio | interesting version numbers |
| 13:59.09 | bluspacecow | lulz |
| 13:59.24 | bluspacecow | my BDA has crabby on it |
| 13:59.40 | DJJeff | you have crabs? go see a dr please |
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| 14:16.23 | bluspacecow | @DJJeff https://twitter.com/bluspacecow/status/435779188251832320 |
| 14:21.51 | bluspacecow | http://www.buzzfeed.com/mattbellassai/this-two-legged-chihuahua-and-fluffy-chicken-are-actually-th |
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| 14:28.57 | DJJeff | they will never give the mage water walking? |
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| 14:33.31 | Amarande | DJJeff: c'mon, you want *another* fun crafting profession item to become worthless? If every had water walking, that would be what happens to the Elixir for it. :) |
| 14:33.58 | DJJeff | take water walking away from shammy and dk |
| 14:34.16 | Amarande | It's bad enough half the engineering bangs and bombs were made useless, for instance, because they were put on the risible "one per combat" rule like potions heh |
| 14:34.39 | Amarande | and healing and mana potions have basically gone the way of the dodo for the same reason, that was a lot of business for alchemists |
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| 14:37.32 | Lopeppeppy | I remember being a potion bot for my raiding group... At least I didn't have to be the gathering grinder too. |
| 14:42.06 | pompy | http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/18/world/europe/russia-pussy-riot-arrests/index.html |
| 14:46.47 | Amarande | yeah, alchemists were probably glad to not have to grind out healing pots endlessly |
| 14:46.57 | Amarande | they were probably a decent steady cheap money maker on the AH, I would imagine though |
| 14:47.02 | karl_w_w | mana pots still get used |
| 14:47.19 | karl_w_w | i mean, if people are doing challenging content |
| 14:47.19 | Amarande | otoh, the elixir of water walking is one of those specialty things that's fun |
| 14:47.28 | Amarande | it would be sad to see too many classes get water walking and make it useless |
| 14:47.55 | Amarande | btw speaking of challenging, why are they getting rid of the mop challenge modes when 6.0 hits? |
| 14:49.01 | Amarande | lemme guess ... WoW infrastructure would be able to still handle the gear scaling, but 463 at 100 would be worse than at 90 due to ratings decay to the max, and they DON'T have any kind of facility to scale levels I'm supposing ... |
| 14:49.57 | Amarande | (and sadly, while I haven't researched it, I'm almost getting this nagging feeling that character level scaling might be patented by Square, sadly :| am I right on that one?) |
| 15:06.01 | DJJeff | Facebook goes beyond 'male' and 'female' with new gender options |
| 15:06.03 | DJJeff | X_X |
| 15:07.15 | jleclanche | https://mediacru.sh/yRo9cGOSvZZO rtl languages |
| 15:07.16 | jleclanche | damn it. |
| 15:07.52 | Maldivia | DJJeff: btw -- patch hit the patch servers about 20 minutes ago |
| 15:08.26 | DJJeff | not showing up for me |
| 15:08.29 | DJJeff | url please? |
| 15:09.06 | Maldivia | can't link you an URL to the patch servers, restart the bnet client then, and it should pick it up |
| 15:09.06 | bluspacecow | hmmmm |
| 15:09.12 | bluspacecow | working on it |
| 15:09.16 | bluspacecow | just can't decide |
| 15:09.17 | bluspacecow | http://ak.worldofwarcraft.com.edgesuite.net/wow-pod-retail/NA/15890.direct/Data/wow-update-base-17898.MPQ |
| 15:09.25 | bluspacecow | or |
| 15:09.27 | bluspacecow | http://dist.blizzard.com.edgesuite.net/wow-pod-retail/NA/15890.direct/Data/wow-update-base-17898.MPQ |
| 15:09.30 | bluspacecow | which are faster ? |
| 15:09.42 | bluspacecow | just a different CDN |
| 15:09.54 | DJJeff | oh nvm |
| 15:09.55 | bluspacecow | just not sure if the "ak" part of the first refers to auckland or not. |
| 15:10.05 | DJJeff | restarted the client its patching for me |
| 15:10.18 | Maldivia | bluspacecow: probably refers to akamai? |
| 15:10.31 | bluspacecow | yeah |
| 15:10.38 | bluspacecow | the first one is faster for me at least |
| 15:10.42 | bluspacecow | BRB rewriting stuffs. |
| 15:10.49 | DJJeff | that file is only 4.3 MB |
| 15:10.57 | bluspacecow | yep |
| 15:11.01 | bluspacecow | got more stuff |
| 15:11.03 | DJJeff | the actual launcher downloaded something around 100 MB |
| 15:11.11 | DJJeff | for me anyways |
| 15:11.17 | bluspacecow | probably the 32 bit and 64 bit clients |
| 15:11.29 | Maldivia | To quote myself from earlier ".exe patch is 28633456 bytes, base patch is 4551246 bytes, enUS patch is 53973 bytes" |
| 15:11.34 | DJJeff | updated to version 5.4.7.17898 |
| 15:11.50 | bluspacecow | whats that in mB Maldivia ? |
| 15:12.02 | Maldivia | 31.7 MB of download |
| 15:12.07 | Maldivia | more when extracted |
| 15:12.13 | bluspacecow | ah |
| 15:12.32 | DJJeff | hrmmmmmm unable to validate game version? |
| 15:12.33 | DJJeff | lol |
| 15:12.44 | DJJeff | I hope that error goes away when realms are back up |
| 15:13.29 | bluspacecow | oh i can't log in as I'm queued in the BDA |
| 15:13.30 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 15:13.41 | DJJeff | what is BDA |
| 15:13.51 | nebula169 | desktop app |
| 15:13.57 | nebula169 | battle.net* |
| 15:13.59 | DJJeff | just say launcher? |
| 15:14.02 | DJJeff | makes more sense |
| 15:14.22 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:14.33 | bluspacecow | because there's 2 distinct variants |
| 15:15.06 | Maldivia | yea -- launcher != desktop app :) |
| 15:15.09 | bluspacecow | http://wowpedia.org/Battle.net_Desktop_app |
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| 15:15.32 | bluspacecow | they're two completely seperate things. You confuse techies when you refer to them as they same thing lol :P |
| 15:16.24 | Maldivia | Launcher and Client are the same though :) |
| 15:20.00 | karl_w_w | techies are easily confused |
| 15:20.33 | karl_w_w | especially when you read their play and you're waiting for them in the trees when they TP to a lane |
| 15:20.34 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:26.41 | karl_w_w | summer glau is in arrow? i really need to make time to start watching that |
| 15:27.25 | nevcairiel | she is |
| 15:27.50 | Amarande | heh, #wowuidev heads into Summer Glau fan discussion territory |
| 15:27.57 | Amarande | I'm guessing battle.net must be under maintenance or something :) |
| 15:28.06 | DJJeff | hrmmmmmmm |
| 15:28.08 | DJJeff | hrmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 15:28.13 | Amarande | heh |
| 15:28.16 | DJJeff | BDA uses googles analytics? |
| 15:28.17 | DJJeff | http://www.cloudshark.org/captures/1ab6d047b1e0 |
| 15:28.22 | Dagmar | Mmmmm.... Glau with cherry-sauce |
| 15:28.25 | DJJeff | check the 1st few packets of this sucker |
| 15:28.28 | Maldivia | Amarande: John Barrowman on Arrow was a lot better though :( |
| 15:28.42 | Maldivia | DJJeff: it uses it A LOT |
| 15:28.44 | karl_w_w | don't go using words like was |
| 15:28.52 | karl_w_w | them's spoilerish words |
| 15:28.54 | nevcairiel | Maldivia: i didnt like him as the evil ass though |
| 15:29.21 | DJJeff | User-Agent: Battle.net/1.0.8.4217\r\n |
| 15:29.30 | DJJeff | heh |
| 15:29.46 | Maldivia | DJJeff: but almost all apps like that use it today, so why would you expect the bnet desktop app to be any different? |
| 15:30.23 | DJJeff | what kind of information are they collecting? |
| 15:30.38 | Amarande | DJJeff, probably when and how often people game on what |
| 15:31.01 | DJJeff | fair enough |
| 15:31.03 | Maldivia | opening and closing of games, of the cleint it self, clicks on news entries, etc |
| 15:31.59 | karl_w_w | ie. google analytics stuff :P |
| 15:32.03 | DJJeff | I do something similar with my server.... I host an image on my server embed it on a craigslist posting for example |
| 15:32.19 | DJJeff | what I get back is the users (ip address, date and time, user agent) |
| 15:32.21 | nevcairiel | if anything the BDA checks for game updates, breaking news and whatnot |
| 15:32.39 | nevcairiel | breaking news page could include GA |
| 15:33.19 | DJJeff | any forum site that allows external images in forum signature can be used for stats as well |
| 15:36.49 | DJJeff | this new patch is not gonna break a bunch of addons is it? |
| 15:37.57 | Amarande | DJJeff: chat related ones, possibly |
| 15:38.12 | DJJeff | not to worried about chat related addons |
| 15:38.14 | Amarande | not sure if friends related ones on the whole (e.g. Ara Broker Guild/Friends) or just ones that actually involve chat |
| 15:38.43 | Amarande | but don't worry, 6.0.1 will probably be the usual pre-expansion basket case of breakage :) |
| 15:38.47 | DJJeff | I have 133 addons installed :( |
| 15:39.59 | DJJeff | SocialState has not been updated since 2012 and still works great |
| 15:40.19 | DJJeff | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/broker_socialstate |
| 15:40.53 | DJJeff | does a fantastic job too |
| 15:54.20 | karl_w_w | I wonder what the most "out of date but still working" addon is |
| 15:55.55 | karl_w_w | actually CML probably still works |
| 15:56.08 | karl_w_w | and I think that's about 7 years since an update |
| 15:56.17 | karl_w_w | though you probably can't find it anywhere any more |
| 16:02.05 | VIad | will battle.net add chat to the client before the next expansions? |
| 16:02.24 | nevcairiel | unclear |
| 16:02.37 | nevcairiel | the client will go out of beta soon with the current feature set |
| 16:02.54 | nevcairiel | maybe they'll start adding new functionality after |
| 16:03.15 | VIad | I hope 1.1 adds a simple chat system - would help talking to your realid friends without having to boot up heartstone for it :P |
| 16:04.04 | VIad | oh btw, what tool to you use to draw a logical data model? |
| 16:05.09 | Fisker | sneaks up on Lopeppeppy's computer and presses ctrl+alt+arrow down |
| 16:06.22 | Lopeppeppy | That's mean! |
| 16:06.51 | VIad | ctrl alt arrow doesn't work for me |
| 16:12.01 | DJJeff | I can do ctrl alt left and ctrl alt right |
| 16:12.12 | DJJeff | not up or down |
| 16:14.04 | bluspacecow | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DvlUyciHCCJsYPEjcWBvI0Qv5nBMawx3hJ-pDwNUIRE/edit |
| 16:20.36 | DJJeff | I need you to drop your virus and go after the worm.... |
| 16:20.38 | DJJeff | its /root/.workspace/.garbage. |
| 16:20.51 | DJJeff | - Hackers Quote |
| 16:22.53 | Fisker | yep Lopeppeppy :( |
| 16:22.55 | Fisker | I'm a meanie |
| 16:22.59 | Fisker | and ronery |
| 16:23.08 | rid_ | :( |
| 16:23.44 | bluspacecow | *sits on Fisker's head* |
| 16:24.02 | rid_ | cows can't sit! |
| 16:24.14 | bluspacecow | ha ha |
| 16:24.16 | bluspacecow | yeah we can |
| 16:24.42 | bluspacecow | http://www.vickiewebsite.net/CowSittingOnFence.jpg |
| 16:24.44 | bluspacecow | see ? |
| 16:24.48 | bluspacecow | haters gotta hate |
| 16:25.23 | bluspacecow | http://globalvoicesonline.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/CowParade12.jpg |
| 16:25.27 | rid_ | http://www.trainwithamandamason.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/sitting-cow.jpg |
| 16:25.40 | rid_ | what is this sorcery |
| 16:26.05 | nevcairiel | are you sure it isnt in the process of getting up or lying down |
| 16:26.17 | Lopeppeppy | buys Fisker a puppy |
| 16:26.32 | Fisker | I don't like puppies |
| 16:26.40 | Fisker | or rather they don't like me |
| 16:26.48 | Fisker | or rather they like my butt, but not my personality |
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| 16:30.22 | bluspacecow | @Fisker http://www.rofloffice.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/dog-sniffing-another-dogs-butt.jpg |
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| 16:30.34 | Fisker | no bluspacecow |
| 16:30.51 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 16:31.06 | Fisker | http://www.chillywillyfan.com/videopics/bite.jpg |
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| 16:34.08 | Amarande | heh, our puppy has been known to kick me in the balls regularly *sigh* |
| 16:34.16 | Amarande | nothing to make any great jokes about, just a horrid ill luck of geometry :| |
| 16:38.39 | Amarande | unfortunately, puppies like to enthusiastically jump up at you and stand on their hind legs to say "I'm here, pet me, attention attention" |
| 16:38.53 | Humbedooh | puppies! |
| 16:39.09 | DJJeff | http://www.wowrealmstatus.net/ |
| 16:39.14 | DJJeff | says realms are up |
| 16:39.22 | DJJeff | it lies! |
| 16:39.27 | Amarande | ... and unfortunately, between my height and the size of the puppy, that usually tends to mean that I get kicked right in the jewels way too often :P |
| 16:39.34 | VIad | it's weird, at work for two hours now, soon three, yet no one has come for the meeting that starts in 20 min :o |
| 16:39.36 | Humbedooh | but...puppy! |
| 16:39.43 | bluspacecow | probably basing it off out of date web pages |
| 16:39.50 | Humbedooh | VIad: everybody hates meetings! |
| 16:40.17 | Amarande | I guess I should just be grateful that the puppy has yet to cause me to fall down the stairs. LOL |
| 16:40.18 | DJJeff | noobs can not code |
| 16:40.37 | bluspacecow | ...... |
| 16:40.39 | Humbedooh | Amarande: even if it does, you know you can't stay mad at it forever...! |
| 16:40.54 | bluspacecow | http://warcraftupdate.net/ |
| 16:40.57 | bluspacecow | has them all up too |
| 16:40.59 | bluspacecow | LOL |
| 16:46.30 | VIad | lol, sms |
| 16:47.36 | DJJeff | http://us.battle.net/api/wow/realm/status?local=en_US |
| 16:48.00 | DJJeff | I guess the sites out there are not using this api? |
| 16:48.18 | nevcairiel | the api is in maintenance for me :p |
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| 16:48.29 | DJJeff | yes for me as well |
| 16:54.54 | DJJeff | lol old addons in curse client |
| 16:54.54 | pompy | patch day! |
| 16:54.55 | DJJeff | http://puu.sh/713uA.png |
| 16:54.58 | pompy | 5.4.7! |
| 16:56.25 | DJJeff | pompy: http://bpaste.net/show/180439/ |
| 16:56.28 | DJJeff | did you see this? |
| 16:58.03 | pompy | DJJeff: is that the output u got when you did that command or...? |
| 16:59.16 | DJJeff | just a list of people trying to get /HNAP1/ on my apache server |
| 16:59.35 | DJJeff | which as you linked was linksys exploit |
| 16:59.45 | pompy | indeed. |
| 17:01.38 | pompy | its trying to remote in! |
| 17:01.44 | DJJeff | yup |
| 17:01.54 | pompy | what on your end is blocking it? |
| 17:02.09 | DJJeff | nothing is blocking it they just get a 404 |
| 17:02.19 | DJJeff | because that page does not exist on my apache server |
| 17:02.45 | DJJeff | exploit would require your linksys router to have port 80 open to the internet |
| 17:02.50 | DJJeff | for remote admin |
| 17:02.57 | pompy | "Typically, it requires the remote user to enter a valid administrative password before executing commands, although previous bugs in HNAP implementations have left routers vulnerable to attack. After using HNAP to identify vulnerable routers, the worm exploits an authentication bypass vulnerability in a CGI script. (Ullrich isn't identifying the script because it remains unfixed on many older routers, and he doesn't want to make it e |
| 17:03.01 | pompy | :x |
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| 17:03.46 | DJJeff | worst software ever written is phpmyadmin |
| 17:03.48 | DJJeff | http://bpaste.net/show/180491/ |
| 17:04.00 | DJJeff | way too many hits for that garbage |
| 17:05.01 | pompy | "As the routers scanned IP ports 80 and 8080 as fast as they could, they consumed the bandwidth of the unidentified ISP's customers, slowed down their legitimate activity, and interrupted streams and VPN connections." |
| 17:05.04 | pompy | those bastards! |
| 17:05.38 | Amarande | also, apparently a lot of ISPs distribute routers with the remote management interface active :| |
| 17:05.52 | Amarande | a horribly risible practise, but apparently quite common *facepalm* |
| 17:05.57 | DJJeff | Amarande: I did a scan for routers with port 23 telnet open |
| 17:06.12 | DJJeff | yikes! |
| 17:06.34 | DJJeff | ssh/23 = somewhat secure and encrypted |
| 17:06.43 | DJJeff | telnet/22 = all plaintext baby |
| 17:06.57 | DJJeff | errrrrrr |
| 17:07.06 | DJJeff | telnet 23 // ssh 22 |
| 17:07.14 | DJJeff | thats me being tired |
| 17:07.28 | Humbedooh | pulls the duvet over DJJeff |
| 17:07.56 | DJJeff | heh thanks ;-) |
| 17:10.24 | pompy | DJJeff: and yeah end users still using a E1000 linksys router are fucked because linksys doesnt support that router anymore so the firmware on it has the exploit open and it wont be patched lol....so they will have to shell out some money if they find out what's going on |
| 17:12.51 | pompy | i 'liked' this Asus router hack ..:o http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/02/dear-asus-router-user-youve-been-pwned-thanks-to-easily-exploited-flaw/ |
| 17:12.56 | DJJeff | http://us.battle.net/api/wow/realm/status?realms=Area52 |
| 17:13.05 | DJJeff | oh wow thats a lot of junk text |
| 17:13.59 | DJJeff | my router is running OpenWRT firmware so mine gets updates like weekly |
| 17:14.13 | DJJeff | DD-WRT is a good firmware too |
| 17:14.37 | DJJeff | disables the nice WiFi WPS hack |
| 17:15.08 | mikma | i bought buffalo modem just so i can install dd-wrt / openwrt in it |
| 17:16.19 | DJJeff | even if your ISP gives you a POS modem/router combo I always use my awesome router behind it |
| 17:17.41 | DJJeff | well sign on sorta works |
| 17:17.51 | DJJeff | not letting me use my authenticator tho |
| 17:18.51 | bluspacecow | http://i.imgur.com/7I3P41M.jpg |
| 17:18.59 | Amarande | pompy: on the good side, they probably won't want to buy linksys anymore after that |
| 17:19.15 | Amarande | which will help keep belkin from suckering more people into buying their execrable routers |
| 17:21.03 | Dagmar | Other vendors will have to stop selling barely immproved shit for ludicrous prices first |
| 17:21.52 | DJJeff | linksys became garbage when they stopped using external antenna |
| 17:21.55 | Amarande | Dagmar: Belkin's gear is so awful that the one time I made the mistake of buying a Belkin router it was so "couldn't even live with it" that it went back to Radio Shack that same week |
| 17:22.08 | Dagmar | DJJeff: It's good to know the luddite front has an opinion on the matter |
| 17:22.21 | DJJeff | ? |
| 17:22.33 | Dagmar | Antennas do not necessarily have to be external. |
| 17:22.49 | DJJeff | if you wish to put one on your house roof its handy :) |
| 17:22.54 | Dagmar | Especially not for these frequency ranges |
| 17:22.59 | DJJeff | blanket neighborhood with wifi |
| 17:23.08 | pompy | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/02/samsung-wants-9-4m-from-dyson-because-uk-patent-suit-made-it-look-bad/ fight! |
| 17:23.16 | Dagmar | Let your neighbors get porn over their own connections. |
| 17:23.28 | DJJeff | oh I block porn on guest wifi |
| 17:23.41 | DJJeff | actually I block alot of stuff on guest wifi |
| 17:24.15 | Dagmar | I've got one beef with Linksys, and that's this whole business of "You want Linux? SHELL OUT TEH MUNNY." |
| 17:24.43 | DJJeff | WRT54G was an awesome router to mod/hack |
| 17:24.44 | Dagmar | Their "spiritual successor" to the WRT54GL is a massive fuck you, where the GL itself was only a minor fuck you. |
| 17:25.22 | Dagmar | DJJeff: I feel this approach doesn't make the users suffer enough. |
| 17:25.27 | Dagmar | DJJeff: I use WEP. |
| 17:25.36 | Dagmar | DJJeff: Crack it and all you'll get is porn. |
| 17:25.50 | Dagmar | DJJeff: ...except it's not the kind of porn you'll want to see. |
| 17:26.08 | Dagmar | To date, one person has cracked it. They stopped less than five minutes later. |
| 17:27.16 | DJJeff | WEP can be cracked like under 5min |
| 17:27.33 | DJJeff | ooooooooooooooo realm list is up.... |
| 17:27.41 | DJJeff | all say offline tho |
| 17:31.10 | DJJeff | site is back online :) |
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| 17:57.31 | karl_w_w | WEP stands for Wired Equivalent Privacy |
| 17:57.51 | zenzelezz | sigh... four days now and the routing through Cogent from here is still shot to hell |
| 17:58.08 | DJJeff | or Weak <something> Password |
| 17:58.11 | DJJeff | haha |
| 17:58.20 | karl_w_w | how much security is there in a wired connection? none |
| 17:58.33 | Dagmar | Hence the * entry in DNS that gets the users access to tubgirl |
| 17:58.53 | DJJeff | arp spoof? mitm attack? |
| 17:59.02 | Dagmar | No, *I* control the connection. It's that simple. |
| 17:59.15 | DJJeff | or everyone on guest wifi gets redirected to tubgirl |
| 17:59.15 | Dagmar | If yer not in the MAC list, too bad. |
| 17:59.27 | zenzelezz | ah, tubgirl... takes me back 12 years or so, when you still trusted IRC links |
| 17:59.29 | Dagmar | There's no guest wifi here. THere's only WEP. |
| 17:59.37 | DJJeff | ummmmmm Dagmar..... go google "MAC SPOOFING" then come back |
| 17:59.39 | zenzelezz | the last time you ever trusted IRC links |
| 18:00.01 | Dagmar | Traditional security thinking is that what you cannot prevent you must detect. This can be expressed as (Prevent|Detect). |
| 18:00.28 | DJJeff | using a program that can spoof your MAC Address you just spoof one thats allowed to connect |
| 18:00.30 | Dagmar | At my house I follow a more BOFH-style of administration, and there I use (Prevent|Detect|Punish) |
| 18:00.46 | Dagmar | There isn't one. |
| 18:01.01 | DJJeff | MAC Address Filtering is weak security against smart people |
| 18:01.11 | DJJeff | yes it will keep the passerby and noobs out |
| 18:01.12 | Dagmar | Seeing as how I don't trust the wirless, everything is either proxied, or VPNed. |
| 18:01.58 | Dagmar | I wound up having to do it that way originally because of the goddamn Nintendo DS |
| 18:02.27 | DJJeff | Nintendo DS does something funny regarding wifi |
| 18:02.39 | DJJeff | it scans for a funny AP constantly |
| 18:02.49 | Dagmar | yes, the older versions could barely be said to have Wifi support and later versions still didn't support WPA |
| 18:02.58 | karl_w_w | DS always looking for laughs |
| 18:03.06 | DJJeff | looking for other DS nearby |
| 18:03.09 | Dagmar | They look for a number of SSIDs because of Streetpass |
| 18:03.30 | Dagmar | I keep meaning to see if they actually check the cert when they do their SSL magic |
| 18:03.49 | Dagmar | If they don't then I'm taking a presentation of pure mayhem to PhreakNIC |
| 18:04.02 | pompy | http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/3773-Character-Level-Boost-to-90-priced-at-60 noty.jpg |
| 18:04.08 | Dagmar | The older ones just _didn't_, which is hilarious. |
| 18:04.16 | Dagmar | As long as there was _a_ cert, they were happy. |
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| 18:06.16 | DJJeff | http://3dbrew.org/wiki/StreetPass |
| 18:06.28 | DJJeff | 3DS while in standby mode, with SSID "Nintendo_3DS_continuous_scan_000" |
| 18:06.34 | Dagmar | This is why sites like http://pokecheats.net/gts/ can acutally work. Change yer DNS so it connects to _their_ servers instead of the usual ones, and suddenlt all things are possible. |
| 18:06.52 | DJJeff | if you setup a router with SSID Nintendo_3DS_continuous_scan_000 |
| 18:06.57 | Dagmar | Nope |
| 18:07.03 | DJJeff | the 3DS will connect to it |
| 18:07.25 | Dagmar | Except it's not very useful. This page, on the other hand... SUPER useful http://3dbrew.org/wiki/Nintendo_Zone |
| 18:08.26 | Dagmar | I'll jump on the first thing it sees that matches the list from hotspot.conf, meaning it'll prefer attwifi over Wayport_Access at yer typicall fast food place. |
| 18:09.18 | Dagmar | I've got a complete piece of crap shell script here I'm refactoring in perl to do a hell of a lot more. It will pretend to be any number of streetpass locations if you have a flexible enough wireless chipset |
| 18:11.42 | Amarande | Dagmar: heh, is that streetpass scan the real reason why 3DS have such terribad battery life compared to the older DS units? |
| 18:11.56 | Dagmar | Well, you can push the little switch to flip it off |
| 18:12.04 | Amarande | (since I do know signal-struggle can easily cause batteries to go like a dribble glass heh) |
| 18:12.05 | Dagmar | The main issue is that the thing is just doing rather a lot |
| 18:12.26 | Amarande | like, the DS Lite, you can go almost a day straight gaming before the battery runs out |
| 18:12.35 | Amarande | the 3DS, apparently it barely has a battery life any longer than the PSP |
| 18:12.53 | Amarande | that was actually one of the biggest reasons I traded in my PSP, because the damn battery life sucked so much |
| 18:13.08 | Dagmar | I just want them to hurry the fuck up with FFTA S |
| 18:13.13 | Amarande | well that, and it didn't support WPA2, so the online features were useless |
| 18:13.35 | Amarande | mind you, my DS Lite only supports WEP, but a lot fewer pre-3DS DS games actually made that big-deal use of online features :S |
| 18:14.09 | Amarande | think the only ones I've got that really do are Yu-Gi-Oh WC2010 Reverse of Arcadia, and FF3 |
| 18:14.19 | Amarande | pity, that FF3. I think I might just get the android version instead |
| 18:14.22 | Dagmar | I'm suprised you haven't noticed the other fun thing it does with the basic transmission rate |
| 18:14.52 | Amarande | since the mognet stuff is going to be practically impossible on the DS no matter what you do |
| 18:15.04 | Dagmar | Higher end APs basically assume your device doesn't suck and jump straight to 2Mb transmission |
| 18:15.29 | Dagmar | The DS units don't support that, so they'll start to connect and then... "Where'd the AP go?" |
| 18:16.10 | Dagmar | DSi units have a lot less suck involved |
| 18:16.50 | Dagmar | *Somewhere* around here I've got a PCMCIA card that's perfect for meddling with the DS but sheesh. Screw that. |
| 18:16.59 | Dagmar | It's basically a glorified 2.4ghz UART |
| 18:17.11 | Dagmar | I can see raw ethernet frames from crappy devices |
| 18:17.50 | Amarande | and, not that I was getting close to being out of space anyway, I have more space on my android for games now |
| 18:17.56 | Dagmar | That's got a lot to do with why I have no idea where it is beyond not having thrown it out yet |
| 18:18.02 | Amarande | since I just dumped all the King.com games I had installed into the bitbucket |
| 18:18.15 | Dagmar | Amarande: More room for FFTA S when they finally get off their asses and finish translating it |
| 18:18.38 | DJJeff | http://i.imgur.com/mWtarvk.jpg |
| 18:18.40 | Amarande | someone should suggest to Atlus to port SMT 1, If, and 2 to Android, too |
| 18:18.45 | DJJeff | OMG........ ** DROOLS ** |
| 18:18.57 | Dagmar | lol |
| 18:20.14 | DJJeff | why android is ALOT better than iphone.... better emulators on android |
| 18:20.19 | DJJeff | and most of them free |
| 18:20.50 | DJJeff | the paid versions offer save/load state which hardly use anyway |
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| 18:31.56 | Ressy | Whoa. Some more API Changes for 6.0 |
| 18:32.08 | Ressy | Spectator mode being added, and given API for addon devs |
| 18:35.25 | Primer | to spectate what? |
| 18:35.38 | Ressy | Pvp tournaments |
| 18:35.52 | Ressy | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/12953018/ |
| 18:35.54 | Primer | that's what I was hoping you'd say |
| 18:36.41 | Ressy | This is interesting |
| 18:36.43 | DJJeff | ~20min till 11am PST |
| 18:40.57 | Primer | I really hope they change the "forever stun locked" pvp experience |
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| 18:42.33 | Amarande | doesn't pvp still have diminishing returns for cc? |
| 18:42.52 | Primer | for CC coming from a single source, yes |
| 18:43.11 | Amarande | and of course, "forever" is something like five seconds or so if it's a rogue stunning you, since rogues are designed to chop you up like a Cuisinart anyway :P |
| 18:43.12 | Primer | but even then a rogue can stun lock you and kill you in world pvp |
| 18:43.16 | Amarande | like, that's what they DO |
| 18:43.23 | Amarande | that's the way the class is DESIGNED :S |
| 18:43.36 | Primer | for pve, sure |
| 18:43.49 | Primer | but they nerf all sorts of shit for pvp |
| 18:43.58 | Amarande | so what, nerf rogues' fighting capability? Hope you like having to gamble expensive mats every time you want to open a lockbox :) |
| 18:44.00 | Primer | oh, look: Disrupting Shout and Pummel now both share a 15-second cooldown when either ability is used. |
| 18:44.08 | Primer | Yet no rogue nerfs |
| 18:44.23 | Amarande | rogues have already suffered from a lack of popularity as it is lately, despite advantages in pvp |
| 18:44.29 | Dagmar | ...becuse only Rogues are allowed to use stunlock |
| 18:44.52 | Amarande | Primer: I think it might go against the very design of the class |
| 18:45.09 | Amarande | Warriors are a heavy armour class, tuning them more towards toe to toe fighting is reasonable |
| 18:45.40 | Amarande | Rogues are a light armour class whose basic raison d'etre is the cheap quick kill, toe to toe fighting is NOT really part of their intended use |
| 18:45.53 | Amarande | or at least it's meant to be a very limited part of it |
| 18:46.36 | Amarande | Primer, you're basically saying that rogues should have their basic cheap kill design basically revoked and forced to mostly fight toe to toe |
| 18:46.43 | Amarande | like some sort of squishier version of the warrior :| |
| 18:46.45 | Primer | I don't mind there being anti-classes. It's just that I'd like a _chance_ to win |
| 18:47.32 | Amarande | heh |
| 18:47.42 | Amarande | ultimately the issue is that you can't really balance both pve and pvp |
| 18:47.46 | Primer | So this is the patch that breaks OQ |
| 18:48.14 | Primer | No. You just can't balance world pvp |
| 18:48.28 | Amarande | Even Guild Wars wasn't able to do it, despite the fact that basically they *designed* the skill system with it in mind, they still had to eventually cop out and split the function of skills between pve and pvp |
| 18:48.36 | DJJeff | I thought QQ was a thing that asians used to chat on their phones |
| 18:48.38 | Primer | You can balance pve and pvp easily enough. PVE zone? PVE abilities. PVP zone? PVP abilities. |
| 18:48.46 | Amarande | Yeah, that's part of the issue with WoW. |
| 18:48.58 | Primer | DJJeff: read what I wrote |
| 18:49.07 | Primer | it does not read QQ |
| 18:49.08 | Amarande | Most games these days tend to have heavy segregation between PvE and PvP, if not *completely* so |
| 18:49.27 | Amarande | e.g. in LOTRO you are only allowed to PvP in the Ettenmoors, in Guild Wars explorable and pvp areas were wholly separate animals |
| 18:49.27 | DJJeff | ah oq |
| 18:50.00 | Amarande | SW:TOR has PvP servers, but in my experience Republic and Empire players are kept to such separate areas on any given planet most of the time that it doesn't matter much because you barely ever encounter opposing faction players to begin with |
| 18:50.03 | DJJeff | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/oqspamblocker |
| 18:50.04 | DJJeff | ha |
| 18:50.22 | Primer | No one plays SWTOR any more |
| 18:50.40 | DJJeff | I only played Star Trek Online for 15 min |
| 18:50.48 | DJJeff | what a huge dissapoint |
| 18:50.50 | Amarande | I think the first time in SW:TOR you really get to a point where it's like WoW where the Republic and Empire regularly traverse the same ground is Hoth |
| 18:51.10 | Dagmar | DJJeff: Hey, at least it let you have a ship full of women like god intended. |
| 18:51.12 | Neffi | Rogues are on the shit end of survivability and aren't exactly pushing out the greatest sustained DPS; their burst isn't even the highest. Control is their niche. It hasn't always been a problem. The real problem is there's far too much CC in general, not that rogues have a lot of CC |
| 18:51.26 | Amarande | There's a few spots on Tatooine as well I think, but they are rare |
| 18:51.34 | DJJeff | Dagmar: did not make it far into that game to see that |
| 18:51.37 | Amarande | most of the time there's a separate Empire and Republic section to each planet pretty much |
| 18:51.40 | Neffi | In fact there's also WAY too much CC breaking, which seems to have led to a self-enforcing feedback loop |
| 18:51.49 | Dagmar | DJJeff: You should have stuck it out a bit longer. ;) |
| 18:51.52 | Neffi | As more CC breaking is introduced, more CC is introduced to balance it |
| 18:52.02 | DJJeff | Star Trek vs Star Wars..... round 1.... FIGHT! |
| 18:52.18 | Neffi | They need to seriously can almost every spell that breaks CC/roots, and similarly tone down the amount of CC |
| 18:52.34 | Amarande | one wonders if WoW should perhaps drop world PvP altogether, except in designated zones (e.g. WG, TB etc.) |
| 18:52.35 | Primer | Didn't pvp trinkets provide immunity from loss of control for 10 second when used back in BC? |
| 18:52.45 | Amarande | although then city raids would also have to go ... hmmm |
| 18:52.52 | Neffi | BC? I'm almost positive they didnt Primer |
| 18:53.04 | Neffi | Amarande: I will hurt you if you suggest that again ;) |
| 18:53.12 | Neffi | WoW has become far too arena-centric as is |
| 18:53.20 | Amarande | or perhaps |
| 18:53.22 | Amarande | actually come to think of it I know a good idea |
| 18:53.27 | Amarande | they should take a leaf from LOTRO in this regard |
| 18:53.33 | Neffi | World PvP is fine. That's why PvP servers were created in the first place |
| 18:54.02 | Amarande | In LOTRO, whenever you have just stopped being CC'd, you get a "temporary state immunity" buff for a few (10 or so I think) seconds where you can't be CC'd again at all |
| 18:54.14 | Amarande | so nobody can ever be completely stun locked |
| 18:54.25 | Neffi | The problem is tied into perception. The world become sparsely populated with all the QOL changes they made, and people got the sense of a single player experience. The community lost the sense that a PvP server is just that, a PVP SERVER. That perception is what needs to change, not the nature of world PvP. |
| 18:54.35 | Primer | I don't mind world pvp. Heck, I don't mind if I'm ganged up on by 3 others and killed. What I do mind is being stun locked and DPSed down without any ability to react |
| 18:54.39 | Amarande | Temporary state immunity might be the solution for WoW, too? |
| 18:54.40 | Primer | by a single rogue |
| 18:55.04 | Neffi | Primer: As a huge proponent of PvP, including world PvP, I wholeheartedly agree |
| 18:55.22 | Neffi | Which is why they need to remove CC breaking, to justify removing superfluous CC |
| 18:55.30 | Neffi | CC should once again become a solid niche |
| 18:55.33 | DJJeff | http://solidice.com/addons/wow/oQueue |
| 18:55.38 | DJJeff | woah!!! this looks nice |
| 18:55.39 | kd3 | $60 character boosts? |
| 18:56.46 | Primer | Neffi: I really enjoy world pvp too. |
| 18:56.52 | Amarande | kd3: yeah I was shaking my head about that too when it was mentioned in #wowhead |
| 18:57.08 | DJJeff | how are people streaming wow on twitch if realms are down? |
| 18:57.11 | Amarande | I'm starting to begin to wonder if I'm going to return to WoW at all with stuff like that |
| 18:57.18 | Primer | And again, if you beat me in a fair fight, kudos to you. But don't make a class that can't ever be beaten 1v1 |
| 18:57.20 | Neffi | As for being stunlocked to death, by the one class that does maintain that niche, well that's a survivability concern. PvP has also become too burst centric. A sub rogue doesnt even have the capability to kill you without doing so in a burst phase. The whole design is centered around maximizing a small burst window, and spending downtime ramping up and controlling. |
| 18:57.33 | Amarande | let's put it this way, even the F2P MMOs I play like LOTRO and SW:TOR are not that blatant :P |
| 18:57.35 | DJJeff | oh private servers |
| 18:57.57 | Neffi | They should greatly even out damage. Burst windows are not fun for anybody but the person lining up their cooldowns perfectly. |
| 18:58.07 | Amarande | sure, you can buy temporary XP boosts, in the case of SW:TOR there's a few gear items you can buy that will certainly help you on your way to cap a little faster, at least |
| 18:58.15 | Neffi | And for good players, that's not even fun. I hate feeling useless in the downtime. I like a steady damage design |
| 18:58.16 | Primer | Neffi: ret pallies fall into that too |
| 18:58.23 | Amarande | but even the F2P games aren't blatant enough to out and sell "pay now to instantly level to cap" |
| 18:58.25 | Neffi | Every single class falls into that |
| 18:58.30 | Primer | Neffi: Perhaps I should elaborate. My main is a SP :/ |
| 18:58.32 | Neffi | If they don't, they're useless right now |
| 18:58.32 | Amarande | wait, I think LOTRO might have one level bump thing like that, it's like 50 bucks |
| 18:58.38 | Neffi | heh |
| 18:58.39 | Amarande | but it only levels you to 50, which is a far cry from cap (95 atm) |
| 18:58.54 | Primer | Despite being item level 570, I can't kill a well geared rogue or ret pally |
| 18:59.04 | DJJeff | and realms are up |
| 18:59.11 | Primer | lies |
| 18:59.12 | Neffi | Well rock-paper-scissor is still a reality, and something I agree with in WoW's model |
| 18:59.27 | Amarande | (and let's be fair to Turbine, an insta bump to 50 means you skip almost all the questing zones that are sold as per-zone unlocks, since 50+ stuff is basically all Expansion stuff anyway) |
| 18:59.28 | Dagmar | No, that was The Matrix Online's combat model. |
| 18:59.51 | Neffi | But I also feel every player should feel strong, feel survivable, and *have an out*. You might not have a chance against a rogue, but hearing the stealth sound shouldn't be certain death either |
| 19:00.21 | Primer | bah, I should have read the patch notes yesterday before doing celestials on all my toons on the oceanic realm... |
| 19:00.55 | Primer | heh, "Load out of date AddOns" was not toggled by the patch |
| 19:01.03 | Primer | it seems so arbitrary |
| 19:01.07 | Primer | when they do that |
| 19:01.38 | Primer | even though there was a new EULA |
| 19:01.52 | Primer | wow, no bugs either |
| 19:01.54 | Primer | something is wrong |
| 19:02.30 | kd3 | ...oops? they didn't change the icon for the client it looks like... I see the wowtest icon on my hotbar |
| 19:02.44 | Amarande | the turkey's a little dry, maybe? |
| 19:03.24 | kd3 | ...and it's gone to the test realms? |
| 19:03.25 | kd3 | wtf |
| 19:04.33 | nevcairiel | sounds like you screwed your icon over |
| 19:05.32 | Primer | nice, I had just enough conq and honor to just be below honor cap |
| 19:05.42 | Primer | 3946 :) |
| 19:06.44 | DJJeff | 2 of my mounts are gone? |
| 19:06.52 | DJJeff | hrmmmmm |
| 19:07.43 | kd3 | the realmlist still points to live realms. wtf |
| 19:07.50 | DJJeff | and? |
| 19:08.04 | kd3 | my live client wants to connect to the test realms |
| 19:08.13 | DJJeff | not mine |
| 19:08.29 | DJJeff | oh the recruit a friend mounts are off my hotbar |
| 19:09.19 | DJJeff | orrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 19:09.26 | DJJeff | they are gone from the game!!?!?!?!?!?! |
| 19:11.44 | kd3 | grr... the repair tool's flagged 3.5 gigs for redownload |
| 19:11.46 | kd3 | sighs |
| 19:12.23 | Primer | Wine?> |
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| 19:14.03 | Primer | sigh...I need to figure out WTF's causing PB to not load raid frames in bgs |
| 19:14.17 | Ressy | DJJeff: "Many staff are currently seeing their Recruit-a-Friend mounts gone after the server restart... details incoming when we get them." |
| 19:16.24 | Ressy | And Vial of the Sands |
| 19:17.03 | DJJeff | wow patch fail |
| 19:17.19 | DJJeff | watching this kid rage is funny |
| 19:17.20 | DJJeff | http://www.twitch.tv/sodapoppin |
| 19:17.31 | DJJeff | he be saying his launcher is broken hahaha |
| 19:17.39 | DJJeff | 10k viewers too |
| 19:17.41 | DJJeff | poor kid |
| 19:17.59 | DJJeff | he was playing private server earlier |
| 19:18.03 | DJJeff | probley why |
| 19:19.16 | Ressy | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/11763816937 |
| 19:19.46 | Ressy | https://us.battle.net/support/en/blog/12981545/ |
| 19:29.28 | Amarande | Vial of the Sands gone ... wow, that's gotta sting |
| 19:29.29 | Amarande | especially with the way alchemy works, to boot :| |
| 19:29.51 | DJJeff | hrmmmmm |
| 19:29.52 | Amarande | I mean that's what, a couple days to a week or so of not being able to do business with transmutes at all in order to get a new one? |
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| 19:29.53 | Amarande | since you're going to have to waste all those cooldowns on truegold again :| |
| 19:29.53 | kd3 | ...you don't seriously think blizz is going to make people remake the mounts, do you? |
| 19:29.53 | Amarande | and you'll most likely have to do it yourself, too, because what sane alchemist is still selling truegold when they could be using the CD on living steel instead :) |
| 19:29.54 | Amarande | kd3: that depends on why they're gone :S |
| 19:29.59 | Amarande | could be they managed to catch people with vials made from illicit mats, I remember there was a duping scandal a while back |
| 19:30.02 | DJJeff | this addon oQueue uses custom channel oqgeneral |
| 19:30.14 | DJJeff | it spammy like crazy |
| 19:30.28 | Amarande | RAF mounts vanishing seems odd though, so maybe it's something else |
| 19:30.47 | kd3 | oqueue operates by using a mesh network. there's a lot of communication going on, both on realm and across bnet chat |
| 19:34.56 | Ressy | it comes back |
| 19:35.05 | Ressy | Amarande: Its a bug. |
| 19:42.46 | Ressy | "We've also heard reports that players who logged out while flying on RAF mounts are falling to their deaths" |
| 19:43.36 | Amarande | niiiiiiiiiiiiiice |
| 19:43.53 | Primer | ok, so this duping thing |
| 19:44.03 | Primer | I read a blue post where they claim there is no such thing |
| 19:44.14 | Primer | that you can't trick the game into "duping" items |
| 19:44.36 | Amarande | Blizz, I'm afraid I can only have this for you on that one ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ytCEuuW2_A LOL |
| 19:45.05 | Neffi | But duping has happened before |
| 19:45.14 | Lopeppeppy | Duping is a game bug, of course they aren't going to be all like, "of course it exists and here's how you do it". They're going to be ban-sticking the people who talk about it and do it. |
| 19:45.16 | Neffi | Also what duping thing? |
| 19:45.31 | Amarande | Primer: well, would you expect them to discuss exploits publicly, even the mere hint of the existence of one? |
| 19:45.42 | Primer | of course |
| 19:45.51 | Amarande | hell, even something like Neverwinter Nights was all secretive about exploits |
| 19:45.56 | Primer | but to outright deny it, instead of just being silent...that's rather bold |
| 19:46.10 | Amarande | despite it being, well, not even a centrally managed game where the damage would be in the vein of exploits in things like MMOs |
| 19:46.25 | Amarande | every time a patch fixed one, it would be like "sorry but we do not discuss aspects of multiplayer cheating" |
| 19:46.32 | Primer | surely the client and server must agree upon items |
| 19:46.56 | Primer | the server goes "Nope, you don't have that item", the client better respect that |
| 19:46.56 | Amarande | (never mind that some of it could well be relevant, e.g. when it comes to more elaborate modules, especially possibly ones where the 2DA files are modified, WHICH IS EXPLICITLY ALLOWED in NWN mind you) |
| 19:49.54 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/aCBoMTb.jpg :| |
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| 19:55.01 | DJJeff | http://www.twitch.tv/twitchplayspokemon |
| 19:55.06 | DJJeff | close to 80k viewers |
| 19:55.14 | DJJeff | ** farts really loud ** |
| 19:59.21 | Thunder_Child | Pretty good stress test for twitch on it's chat client. |
| 19:59.25 | Thunder_Child | its* |
| 19:59.58 | Neffi | I thought they got past this part |
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| 20:06.30 | Neffi | So if the bar reaches 100% democracy or anarchy, the maintainer chooses to implement voting? |
| 20:06.56 | Neffi | Oh nvm, it's explained |
| 20:10.20 | Gnarfoz | anyone familiar with udev rules? |
| 20:10.27 | nevcairiel | a bit |
| 20:11.55 | Gnarfoz | mhhh, actually, that might be the wrong initial question :D |
| 20:12.30 | Gnarfoz | shouldn't there be a udev rule that creates the device symlinks in /dev/mapper/? or does device-mapper do that internally somehow |
| 20:12.42 | Gnarfoz | I faintly recall seeing such a .rules file, but I can't find it now |
| 20:13.26 | Primer | you know, it really sucks that I'm not going to get a chance at Prideful gear on my toons on Frostmourne, since I did Celestials on all of them yesterday, which is when it reset |
| 20:14.27 | nevcairiel | and its only available one week? :p |
| 20:14.48 | Primer | you know what I mean |
| 20:16.01 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: i dont remember ever creating such a file, but then my version of udev seems to run without any config files at all |
| 20:16.06 | nevcairiel | or i dont know where they are %) |
| 20:16.13 | Gnarfoz | /etc/udev/rules.d/ |
| 20:16.18 | nevcairiel | yeah thats empty |
| 20:16.19 | Gnarfoz | on RHEL and derivates |
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| 20:16.35 | Gnarfoz | and no, it's not user-created |
| 20:20.18 | Gnarfoz | great, now this instance forgot that it's supposed to be an ASM instance |
| 20:22.57 | Arrowmaster | try in /lib |
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| 20:23.47 | nevcairiel | interesting, they moved there |
| 20:24.10 | Arrowmaster | permenent ones installed by your package manager are in /lib/udev, custom ones go in /etc/udev |
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| 20:32.41 | Zootfizzle | *gnome raaawr* |
| 20:32.44 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: ty, there it is |
| 20:32.52 | Gnarfoz | /train |
| 20:32.53 | Zootfizzle | tacklehugs Lopeppeppy |
| 20:33.29 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Zoot-my-dear! *huggle* |
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| 20:36.36 | cogwheel | *raaawr* |
| 20:39.13 | Fisker | I almost forgot the tacklehug |
| 20:39.37 | Zootfizzle | Hello, Sir Cog of Wheel |
| 20:40.09 | Fisker | hey sr. fizz of zoot |
| 20:40.28 | Zootfizzle | Fizz is my favorite LoL champion :D |
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| 20:41.12 | Zootfizzle | And hi Fisker! |
| 20:41.16 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 20:41.23 | Zootfizzle | O.o |
| 20:41.25 | Cairenn | smoogles Zootfizzle |
| 20:41.40 | Zootfizzle | uses Escape Artist and counter-smoogles Cairenn |
| 20:41.44 | Cairenn | :) |
| 20:41.46 | Fisker | hey Cairenn |
| 20:41.50 | Cairenn | hi hi |
| 20:42.02 | Fisker | remember when we used to hugtackle? |
| 20:42.13 | Fisker | hugtackles Cairenn |
| 20:42.22 | Cairenn | *giggle* |
| 20:47.07 | Thunder_Child | Zootfizzle: I'd watch a match between you on fizz and Guest42879 on Ahri. |
| 20:48.21 | Primer | So is this RAF mount thing an attempt to fix illegally obtained mounts? |
| 20:48.42 | fewyn | sure |
| 20:49.28 | Primer | I wonder what'll happen if you have the 2 seat rocket both from legal and illegal means... |
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| 20:51.15 | Primer | I actually "bought" a rocket from someone way back when, but then legitimately referred a friend |
| 20:51.21 | Primer | this was before mount consolidation |
| 20:51.33 | Primer | so I had the rocket on 2 separate toons on the same account |
| 20:52.04 | Primer | I bought it for gold though |
| 20:52.38 | Primer | but this person had sold many of those mounts |
| 20:52.47 | Primer | I knew a bunch of people that bought them, all for in-game gold |
| 20:57.17 | Gnarfoz | whyyyyayayayay is Oracle so bad :\ |
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| 21:00.00 | Amarande | Primer: Ressy said it was a bug |
| 21:00.24 | Amarande | The only reason I thought it might have been a fix for a rules violation is because the Vial of the Sands was similarly affected |
| 21:01.18 | Amarande | and I know late in Cata there was a big to-do with people managing to cheat themselves into oodles of extra sands of time (it was described as "duping" but I'm foggy on just how it was done ... there was a problem with the epic red gems then, too) |
| 21:01.36 | Ressy | Theres still issues with duping. |
| 21:01.52 | Ressy | Thats why you see the epic jc mount being sold so cheap for 40k. |
| 21:01.54 | Amarande | and then being able to make tons of gold off selling vials for prices that would be massive losses if you'd obtained the mats legitimately |
| 21:02.00 | Gnarfoz | I do? |
| 21:02.08 | Ressy | I do on Medivh. |
| 21:02.13 | Fisker | as I recall you could like desync from the server and keep crafting |
| 21:02.15 | Ressy | Costs ~100k to make in orbs alone. |
| 21:02.31 | Gnarfoz | I don't |
| 21:02.36 | Gnarfoz | :| |
| 21:02.39 | Amarande | so I began to wonder if the present loss of mounts on the part of many people was some kind of attempt to track down and remove the mount from people who had vials that shouldn't have been able to be made |
| 21:02.58 | Primer | That's one mount I don't have, because I'm too cheap |
| 21:03.41 | Amarande | basically, the only way that it could POSSIBLY have been a profit to sell vials that cheap would have been if maybe you were a goblin and stocked up on the sands while you were still able to get 20% off absolutely every vendor, which IIRC was nerfed in a later patch |
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| 21:04.04 | Amarande | (might have needed the 10% guild discount as well, which makes it murky because I'm not sure guilds were able to be that high level before goblins lost the ability to get 20% off from non-faction vendors) |
| 21:08.18 | Gnarfoz | aaaaaare you shitting me |
| 21:08.28 | Gnarfoz | thanks random driver update |
| 21:09.11 | Gnarfoz | (although it's weird, I only rebooted because of the problems, and before the reboot, the old kernel modules were still being used >_>) |
| 21:10.18 | Gnarfoz | what a wasted evening |
| 21:16.23 | bluspacecow | ha ha |
| 21:16.24 | bluspacecow | wat |
| 21:16.25 | bluspacecow | http://www.dorkly.com/article/59332/there-are-thousands-of-people-trying-to-play-the-same-game-of-pokemon |
| 21:16.27 | bluspacecow | LOL |
| 21:16.56 | Dagmar | bluspacecow: If you've been seeing some especially weird Pokemon memes on Reddit the last few days, that's why |
| 21:17.31 | bluspacecow | oh rly? |
| 21:17.38 | Alram | someone was living under a rock |
| 21:17.45 | bluspacecow | Peppy *tab* |
| 21:17.48 | bluspacecow | no Peppy |
| 21:17.57 | bluspacecow | Lopeppeppy: |
| 21:17.58 | Zootfizzle | Random aside: Whenever I see Fisker's name, I think of danish fish. Discuss. |
| 21:18.02 | bluspacecow | There she is! |
| 21:18.07 | bluspacecow | the Peppy |
| 21:18.11 | bluspacecow | http://www.viralnova.com/dream-home-items/ |
| 21:18.15 | Fisker | hey Lopeppeppy |
| 21:18.22 | bluspacecow | steampunk kitty transist system! |
| 21:18.24 | Fisker | Zootfizzle is mean |
| 21:18.30 | bluspacecow | @Alram hey it was a nice rock |
| 21:18.38 | bluspacecow | had mocchannio and porn and everything |
| 21:18.41 | Lopeppeppy | He is not. He's my favorite second cookie baker of all time. |
| 21:18.43 | Gnarfoz | Zootfizzle: discussion: you know the meaning of "Fisker" in Danish. :| |
| 21:18.48 | Alram | rock porn best porn |
| 21:18.52 | Lopeppeppy | gets eaten by work a lot. |
| 21:18.52 | Alram | Fisker can confirm |
| 21:18.54 | Amarande | ahhhh, google maps random geekout fun |
| 21:19.04 | Amarande | "let's see what the longest possible ground route you can get it to calculate is" |
| 21:19.07 | Fisker | :/ |
| 21:19.54 | Zootfizzle | Whoa @ that Pokemon game |
| 21:20.28 | Zootfizzle | Fisker: <3 |
| 21:21.11 | Amarande | And no, it's not Edinburgh to Kuala Lumpur, apparently. That's only about 9000 miles. |
| 21:21.30 | Amarande | Apparently, you can hop in your car and ultimately get out over 13,000 miles away heh |
| 21:21.42 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/n2kAgvq.jpg |
| 21:21.42 | Amarande | (You do that by starting in Cape Town and going to Vladivostok, LOL) |
| 21:22.15 | Amarande | I thought maybe it could calculate a path from Alaska to the south tip of Argentina, but apparently Google can't manage that one heh |
| 21:24.00 | Zootfizzle | ROFL Fisker |
| 21:28.33 | Primer | People are saying Ordos is dropping loot again after reset |
| 21:28.51 | Primer | This being an Oceanic realm, where reset happens on Mondays in the US |
| 21:28.56 | Primer | before maintenance |
| 21:35.12 | Primer | doh, some addon is showing my toon on the map. it's basically a delayed echo of where I was |
| 21:38.24 | Semlar | it's a ghost! |
| 21:41.04 | Amarande | that's your shadow, Primer |
| 21:41.23 | Stanzilla | @Rygarius: A binary hotfix to allow UI add-ons to send and retrieve http://t.co/IbrAr1G9Fd® friend invites is in the works. |
| 21:41.52 | Fisker | also goodnight Lopeppeppy |
| 21:42.26 | Lopeppeppy | Oh crap. I didn't want to be driving home in this snow in the dark. Crap crap. Thanks for the reminder, Fisker, I'm out of here! |
| 21:43.01 | Ackis | pokemon game? |
| 21:43.22 | Dagmar | Ackis: Looked like the first Pokemon to me |
| 21:43.37 | Ackis | is that the twitch one? |
| 21:43.39 | Semlar | it's pokemon red |
| 21:43.46 | Dagmar | Yeah |
| 21:43.54 | Semlar | and i can't even connect to the chat any more |
| 21:44.01 | Semlar | there's 95k viewers |
| 21:44.14 | Dagmar | The emulator might as well be reading from /dev/urandom |
| 21:44.24 | Ackis | crazy, I watched it for like 10 minutes yesterday and it was just hitting 5 days played? |
| 21:44.39 | Dagmar | In fact I wonder if it would be more effective to just set it up on a machine and symlinked /dev/input to /dev/urandom |
| 21:45.11 | Semlar | no, someone tried to run the same thing using RNG and it was terrible |
| 21:45.27 | bluspacecow | @stanzilla not sure if want |
| 21:45.32 | Dagmar | Semlar: I fail to see how that isn't an improvement over chat controls |
| 21:45.52 | Dagmar | At least random button pushes would be free of malicious intent. |
| 21:46.19 | Semlar | with the chat delay trolls can't really control anything on the stream |
| 21:46.28 | g0urra | *grumble* FFXIV was added to steam, but I can't change my PC version as if it was a steam game |
| 21:46.31 | Semlar | they're in the same boat as anyone else |
| 21:46.32 | Dagmar | Nor can anyone else. |
| 21:46.36 | Ackis | malicious intent makes things more fujn |
| 21:47.05 | jleclanche | hahah |
| 21:47.07 | jleclanche | Alram: http://i.imgur.com/VUXatTk.jpg |
| 21:48.31 | Semlar | uh oh, anarchy is back |
| 21:48.43 | Semlar | THE PEOPLE HAVE VOTED |
| 21:49.38 | jleclanche | damn right it is |
| 21:49.47 | jleclanche | Semlar: 5 seconds into anarchy |
| 21:49.52 | jleclanche | LIFT KEY LIFT KEY LIFT KEY |
| 21:49.56 | Semlar | this isn't the time to use that |
| 21:50.00 | jleclanche | TM07 TM07 TM07 |
| 21:50.29 | Ackis | I bought a thor and hulk usb thingy yesterday and I have them both plugged into my PC... it looks like thor is giving it to the hulk... kinky PC peripherals |
| 21:52.19 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/11764946800?page=1#10 |
| 21:53.36 | nevcairiel | this wouldnt be an issue if, you know, the oQueue author had bothered to update oQ in the last 3 or so weeks on the PTR |
| 21:53.48 | Amarande | g0urra: yeah, that's the sad thing about MMOs on steam :( |
| 21:53.58 | nevcairiel | ... and noticed the problem |
| 21:54.04 | Amarande | if you installed them manually you can't just link them up to steam without having to reinstall |
| 21:54.29 | Amarande | I'm still considering FFXIV, although I will probably be paying SW:TOR a visit next |
| 21:54.32 | Semlar | the oq author hasn't played the game in 6 months |
| 21:54.59 | Amarande | (also I hear FFXIV is getting a DX11 patch which will make it look MUCH better, and that that patch won't be out till about half a year after the PS4 version *shrug*) |
| 21:55.01 | g0urra | Amarande: you won't regret trying FFXIV, it's a great game |
| 21:55.16 | Amarande | and now I have the video card for it, too :) |
| 21:55.17 | Gethe | he was posting on the announcement thread so he DID know about it |
| 21:55.35 | nevcairiel | Semlar: you dont need to play to fix addons |
| 21:55.36 | Amarande | apparently, it makes more of a difference there than anywhere else I've seen, at least based on the benchmark |
| 21:55.59 | Amarande | Had a Phenom II X6 1045T and a Radeon 7850. Got something in the lowish 6000s. |
| 21:56.27 | Amarande | Upgraded the CPU to the current severely overclocked (especially for an air cooled CPU on a mobo with no VRM heatsinks ...) FX-6300. Still got something in the low-mid 6000s. |
| 21:56.40 | Amarande | Upgraded the graphics card to a GTX 770 ... now it's about 10,400 :) |
| 21:57.00 | Amarande | wonder if I'll see a big improvement when I get my Xeon later this year too |
| 21:58.08 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:58.25 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/11437004031?page=3#46 |
| 21:58.41 | bluspacecow | oh noes you may not be able to link recount reports in chat anymore |
| 21:58.47 | bluspacecow | HOW EVERY WILL YOU LIVE |
| 21:58.50 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:58.58 | bluspacecow | *EVER |
| 21:59.08 | Semlar | i'm sure their friends love to see more than 10 lines of recount dumped into their chat |
| 22:00.18 | bluspacecow | addon authors will do what they've always done |
| 22:00.21 | bluspacecow | work around it |
| 22:00.26 | bluspacecow | somehow |
| 22:00.31 | Semlar | mostly complain though |
| 22:00.50 | Semlar | we've got priorities |
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| 22:16.42 | Ackis | http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/Nazi-Execution-Smith16oct46.htm (NSFW but interesting read, it's a first hand article (with pictures) of the Nuremberg executions) |
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| 22:27.28 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/11764946800?page=1#20 |
| 22:27.30 | bluspacecow | Oh look |
| 22:27.38 | bluspacecow | tinymasher's a special snowflake |
| 22:27.45 | bluspacecow | that does all this work by himself |
| 22:27.50 | bluspacecow | *rolls eyes* |
| 22:29.24 | nevcairiel | we can all only hope his crappy addon goes byebye with 6.0 |
| 22:31.31 | Gethe | i imagin Blizz's new group finder will have the same effect on oQueue that visible item levels had on gear score |
| 22:31.58 | bluspacecow | make it not matter anymore ? make it trivial ? |
| 22:32.12 | Gethe | either works |
| 22:32.15 | Gethe | imo |
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| 22:36.45 | Amarande | oh dear, I don't think I want to be anywhere near Phobos when Torhal gets a hold of that thread ... |
| 22:37.10 | Gethe | lol |
| 22:37.16 | Amarande | "why are you so defensive? Are you an Openraid/Curse partner or something?" |
| 22:37.23 | bluspacecow | dear god |
| 22:37.23 | bluspacecow | so |
| 22:37.37 | Amarande | yeah, implying that Curse would have some sort of specific interest in attacking oQueue |
| 22:37.45 | Amarande | that's ... kind of ... dumb ... |
| 22:37.51 | bluspacecow | when you guys have issues with API changes its all "why didn't the author update ..." ZOMG WHY THEY DO THIS TO ME |
| 22:38.19 | bluspacecow | but when it's tinymasher all of sudden it's "oh hes a special snow flake whose the only person working on the addon" |
| 22:38.22 | bluspacecow | big deal |
| 22:38.31 | bluspacecow | all of you have been in the same place |
| 22:38.34 | Semlar | well, he's an underdog you see |
| 22:38.37 | bluspacecow | what makes tiny so special ? |
| 22:38.59 | Semlar | everyone against him and what not |
| 22:40.38 | Semlar | hang on, it's not still going to broadcast OQ BNet toasts is it |
| 22:41.06 | pompy | http://nesn.com/2014/02/japanese-olympic-ski-jumper-breaks-arm-in-brutal-crash-gif/ oww |
| 22:42.45 | Amarande | bluspacecow: eh, this is why I now resign myself to not playing when an x.0.1 or like patch has just hit, until the authors have had *time* to fix their stuff |
| 22:43.08 | Semlar | that seems a little extreme |
| 22:43.11 | Amarande | what is more of an annoyance is that I really wish curse client had some sort of feature to help sort addons that have BEEN updated in such a case |
| 22:43.28 | Amarande | hell, just add a column for the TOC to the addon list view :S |
| 22:45.01 | Semlar | hard to say what addons actually need an update |
| 22:53.24 | Ermad | well the toc wasn't updated for any of the 5.4.x patches before and they broke a bunch of addons |
| 22:53.33 | Ermad | so relying on it seems kinda pointless now |
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| 23:25.19 | karl_w_w | who remembers the good old days when missles had two "i"s in it? |
| 23:27.05 | Amarande | when did it lose the second i? |
| 23:27.27 | Thunder_Child | mississlissis? |
| 23:28.18 | Wobin | like nucular? |
| 23:28.51 | Wobin | missisilli |
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| 23:33.43 | karl_w_w | there was a great i shortage and some of them got reappropriated |
| 23:34.12 | karl_w_w | that's what happened to the 2nd i in aluminum as well |
| 23:38.35 | Mr_Rabies | anything other than b.net chat addons get borked with today's update? |
| 23:39.29 | Mr_Rabies | urgh autoplaying audio ads on curse client |
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