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| 00:52.07 | Kraps | so why a new bnet eula |
| 00:52.26 | Dagmar | The old one had stains on it they couldn't wash out. |
| 00:52.30 | Dagmar | Probably mustard. |
| 00:52.43 | Kraps | ah |
| 00:53.10 | Neffi | is there a diff of the new/old one? |
| 00:53.27 | Kraps | is there ever? |
| 00:53.39 | Ressy | yes. |
| 00:53.43 | Kraps | where |
| 00:53.45 | Ressy | theres a new clause |
| 00:54.01 | Dagmar | They might just be issueing the same old one over intervals so no one can claim "Oh man I read that but it was years ago and I forgot" |
| 00:54.01 | Neffi | "LAST REVISED: DECEMBER 2ND, 2013" <- is this the "new" one? |
| 00:54.27 | Kraps | it said on top it will go into effect in march |
| 00:54.31 | Ressy | I don't think their site is updated |
| 00:55.52 | Ressy | http://eu.blizzard.com/en-gb/company/legal/eula.html |
| 00:55.56 | Ressy | section 1, clause 2 |
| 00:57.05 | kd3 | AndrewG's trying to beat a warpless super mario bros. WR right now (just cleared world 1-3) - http://www.twitch.tv/andrewg1990 |
| 00:57.47 | Wobin | kd3: WR? |
| 00:57.51 | kd3 | world record |
| 00:57.57 | Wobin | ah |
| 00:58.06 | Wobin | speed, eh? |
| 00:58.10 | kd3 | yah |
| 00:58.18 | Wobin | what's he need to beat? |
| 00:58.22 | kd3 | 19:12 |
| 00:59.54 | Amarande | Ressy: Europe/Britain specific, or is the US getting this one too? |
| 01:00.04 | Ressy | US got it too I do believe |
| 01:00.11 | Ressy | I got that pop up yesterday |
| 01:00.47 | Ressy | yup. |
| 01:00.48 | Ressy | http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/eula.html |
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| 01:08.24 | Amarande | hm, wonder what made them feel the need to limit accounts to 3 |
| 01:09.37 | Ressy | gold farmers? |
| 01:14.13 | Amarande | hmmmmm |
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| 01:14.36 | Amarande | that didn't occur to me, but, also, have gold farmers suddenly become more of a problem *now* than they were? :S |
| 01:15.04 | Amarande | or wait ... it's anticipatory, I'm guessing |
| 01:15.27 | Amarande | because of the D3 AH closing down and the associated sudden massive increase in the difficulty of getting gold in quantity? |
| 01:21.55 | Neffi | Ressy: "The maximum number of Accounts that a person may register on the Service is limited to no more than three (3) Accounts. |
| 01:21.56 | Neffi | ? |
| 01:23.35 | Neffi | That could be annoying if you own multiple accounts on behalf of your children, and all expect to be on separate BNet so they can have their own friends list |
| 01:24.09 | Amarande | yeah Neffi, that occurred to me as well ... something drastic has had to be thought of at blizzard I'm presuming, it's going to tick off a lot of larger families |
| 01:24.59 | Amarande | the only thing I can think of (given Ressy's remark, too) is that since it happens in March, they're anticipating an enormous goldfarming problem to occur once the D3 AH goes dark and people are stuck with the mere trickle of gold that actually drops in the game |
| 01:25.26 | Amarande | (on top of that, I at least heard in D3 chat that the expansion is going to take away Monster Power, so it'll be all the harder to gather gold at a good clip) |
| 01:26.49 | Amarande | not 100% sure if that latter is true - the rumour seems to be it's going to be changed to the console difficulty set, though, which includes no option for boosting monsters for more gold and MF on a given difficulty :| |
| 01:28.34 | Amarande | keep in mind, it costs 119k gold to just roll the dice once on a top item level rare weapon ... and even 119k seems to gather at a painfully slow rate in my experience in D3 :( |
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| 01:29.04 | Amarande | and let's not even get into the prices for higher level gem crafting ROFL |
| 01:31.00 | Amarande | I can't think of anything else, because changing it now (if it is gold farming) indicates that gold farming is suddenly a huge problem NOW to warrant a change to address it |
| 01:31.24 | Amarande | and it's not like you actually HAVE gold in a persistent sense in Starcraft, and as for WoW, we're at end of expansion ennui coasting phase anyways :) |
| 01:32.11 | Amarande | (Yes, you see them Vespene Gas farmers everywhere, get your Vespene Gas, only one match's worth of Vespene Gas for only a dollar! :) |
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| 01:36.43 | kd3 | hahahaha. so it's not just atlanta that can't plan for snow |
| 01:36.49 | kd3 | it's raleigh-durham's turn |
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| 01:43.13 | Amarande | kd3: the south in general seems to panic way more than the north |
| 01:43.56 | Neffi | Confederate swine |
| 01:47.10 | kd3 | it's not so much the panicking, as it is the 'I'm gonna leave at noon before the snow starts, just like everybody else in the metropolis", and you get a metro-wide gridlock in 30 minutes or so |
| 01:49.44 | kd3 | atlanta actually got it right for once. the roads are empty, we had the first non-rush hour in... decades? |
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| 01:58.06 | Semlar_ | the south seems to panic more than the north? what does that even mean |
| 01:58.31 | Semlar | hold me neffi |
| 01:58.37 | Amarande | kd3: though it seems like the alternatives could be not so great for one either |
| 01:58.50 | Neffi | Semlar: I don't associate with Confederate sympathizers |
| 01:58.54 | Neffi | Long live the Union |
| 01:59.02 | Semlar | which union |
| 01:59.09 | Amarande | not getting out before the snow starts tends to lead to trappedness |
| 01:59.20 | Neffi | i dunno, some guy just gave me $20 and told me to support it |
| 01:59.46 | Semlar | typical |
| 01:59.51 | Amarande | and what, no lunch or dinner for the poor employee who has to stay in their office all night, because the building security probably means they'll need special after-hours permission to go back in if they leave, so they'd be forced to find a hotel and spend $100 to stay the night if they go outside to eat? |
| 02:00.12 | Semlar | hey $20 is $20 |
| 02:00.26 | Neffi | I get that reference |
| 02:01.52 | Amarande | Semlar: when there's snow |
| 02:02.08 | Semlar | how about the hurricane after hurricane we deal with every year |
| 02:02.17 | Amarande | here in New England we're pretty 'whatevs' about feet of snow practically, apart from the inconvenience of having to call off work |
| 02:02.36 | Amarande | down south, seems like loads and loads of folks are like OMG WTF DO WE DO when you get like an inch or two |
| 02:03.23 | Semlar | probably because they aren't built for it just like the north isn't ready to handle a full blown hurricane |
| 02:03.28 | Amarande | yeah hurricanes are kind of the reverse |
| 02:04.02 | Amarande | NYC is apparently still not quite all patched up from Sandy |
| 02:04.23 | Neffi | You might observe that the panic is proportional to how well the infrastructure can cope with the weather, which is proportional to how often the area experiences it |
| 02:04.30 | Neffi | I mean, it *almost* makes sense if you try |
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| 02:04.38 | Semlar | no neffi |
| 02:04.51 | Amarande | For the most part, it's recovered, but every now and then you see things like subway maintenance signs still specifically citing Sandy repairs as the reason |
| 02:05.13 | Neffi | Amarande: Getting there. Doesn't help that insurance companies pulled technicalities and laughed in homeowners' faces. |
| 02:05.15 | Amarande | (also, try saying "signs still specifically citing Sandy" three times fast :) |
| 02:06.07 | Neffi | Actually yeah we're mostly there. But not everything's gotten repaired. Some people just outright lost their homes, no hope of rebuilding |
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| 02:08.19 | Semlar_ | hm |
| 02:08.36 | Semlar_ | well that's not a good sign |
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| 02:11.00 | Amarande | Neffi: Yeah I'm not quite sure what it's like out in the outer boroughs and Long Island, for instance |
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| 02:11.27 | Amarande | usually when I'm in New York I pretty much stay the whole time in Manhattan, rarely venturing out into Brooklyn, and only going to Queens for the airport |
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| 02:12.00 | Amarande | (Staten Island I've never had the time to go visit, and the Bronx I avoid on principle, I'm a Red Sox fan after all ...) |
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| 02:13.40 | Amarande_ | oooookay, THAT was a strange error to be disconnected for |
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| 02:13.55 | Amarande_ | I've seen Ping Timeout, I've seen Connection Reset by Peer, I don't think I've ever seen this one before |
| 02:14.00 | Amarande_ | "No such device or address" wtf. |
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| 02:19.53 | Neffi | Hey what did my quit message say? |
| 02:20.03 | Neffi | I think my client might be screwy |
| 02:20.25 | Stanzilla | nope that was a netsplit |
| 02:21.14 | Amarande_ | Neffi: mine, oddly enough, claimed that the server was no such device or address |
| 02:21.20 | Amarande_ | that's a first |
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| 02:22.22 | Neffi | From my end it looked like I was voluntarily quitting. That's why I figured Quassel was screwing up |
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| 02:27.18 | Arrowmaster | Amarande_: almost all irc networks now hide the server names during netsplits |
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| 02:28.17 | Amarande_ | nah, I mean it said "* Disconnected (No such device or address)" |
| 02:28.20 | Amarande_ | when I got bumped |
| 02:28.28 | Amarande | I've never seen it give *that* error message before |
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| 02:29.56 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: yeah, a lot of them take after Undernet on that now (probably because of use of undernet codebase, I'm guessing) |
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| 02:30.24 | Amarande | despite the idea being rather silly, I remember testing stuff for coder-com right at the time it was implemented, and we TRIED to talk some sense into the admins but apparently they weren't listening :P |
| 02:30.59 | Amarande | (this, in fact, is why the options all have "HIS_" prefixes in the ircd code - it stands for "Head In Sand" as a take-that from we of coder-com to the admins because we still insisted it was a dumb and useless feature) |
| 02:31.06 | Dagmar | Undernet: IRC for the slow-witted. |
| 02:31.25 | Dagmar | ...also, pirated ebooks. |
| 02:31.27 | Amarande | heh, undernet is fast dying out |
| 02:31.40 | Amarande | there's only like ... 5 public servers anymore based on the webpage |
| 02:31.44 | Dagmar | There's about three Libraries of Congress in there if you look in the right place |
| 02:32.23 | Amarande | part of it is their ludicrously overblown linking standards, which I don't think I've ever seen any other network demand ... so they basically can't get any more servers |
| 02:32.48 | Amarande | like, for serious ... "permission from the administrative contact of the Autonomous System" or something on those lines. *shakes head* |
| 02:33.09 | Dagmar | That's because of all the DDoS kiddies. |
| 02:33.15 | Amarande | most other networks, far as I've understood, are basically "do you know how to operate ircd? can you colocate a server? you willing to foot the bandwidth bill and DDoS insurance charges? you're in." |
| 02:33.24 | Dagmar | ...becuse otherwise your AS guy is going to be kinda pissed at you. |
| 02:34.21 | Amarande | the upshot is that there's barely any entities that are actually qualified to host an undernet server if they wanted to, and most of them probably aren't even in a line of business where they would have any interest at all in doing so |
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| 02:35.25 | Amarande | the large ISPs don't care enough to do it anymore (and there's the DDoS matter) |
| 02:35.28 | Arrowmaster | no its just a common convention now, nothing to do with shared codebase |
| 02:35.32 | Amarande | smaller companies aren't large enough to have an ASN |
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| 02:36.27 | Amarande | and most companies big enough to have an ASN probably aren't really in that line of biz (netflix probably has one, say, but do they care about IRC? it might seem up Google's alley, but they already have a chat infrastructure ...) |
| 02:36.43 | Amarande | so you end up with a few medium-largish hosting companies and that's about it heh |
| 02:36.56 | Dagmar | Actually an as isn't that hard to get |
| 02:37.05 | Dagmar | It's more or less a _requirement_ if your network is dual-homed. |
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| 02:38.08 | Amarande | Dagmar: ah. I had a slight ancient-history recollection that ASNs at least *were* at some point meant to be a super-limited list that basically only the largest of entities were meant to have |
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| 02:38.11 | Dagmar | Like, if you want redundant connectivity, you have to have an ASN and a router capable of BGP. |
| 02:38.12 | Amarande | maybe that was an early-days idea |
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| 02:43.14 | Shirik | http://blogs.disney.com/oh-my-disney/2014/02/12/brutally-honest-disney-valentines-day-cards/?cmp=SMC|blgomd|OMDFebruary|FB|Honest-Tangled|InHouse|021214|||esocialmedia||| |
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| 02:49.35 | Semlar | oh irc |
| 02:49.39 | Semlar | you so broken |
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| 03:11.04 | Kraps | where is there a place to rest in the valley of the 4 winds |
| 03:11.41 | Kraps | or even in the jade forest |
| 03:16.32 | Neffi | that place where you keep your farm |
| 03:18.13 | Wobin | something something hill? |
| 03:18.30 | Amarande | Halfhill, I believe? |
| 03:18.37 | Amarande | also, holy gods, when did Diablo 3 get so big |
| 03:18.51 | Amarande | when I installed it, it was like an 8GB download or something, now the folder takes up nearly as much space as WoW |
| 03:19.06 | Ressia | Comcast just bought Time Warner. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-02-12/comcast-said-to-agree-to-pay-159-a-share-for-time-warner-cable.html |
| 03:19.45 | Kraps | thanks |
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| 03:22.04 | kd3 | oh gods. the consolidation continues |
| 03:23.14 | Amarande | I guess that means bad news for those of us Charter folks who've smugly looked down on Comcast area folks cablewise :S |
| 03:23.41 | Amarande | since pretty much Comcast is now in the "guy who the first loser went bankrupt to at the Monopoly table" situation |
| 03:23.57 | Amarande | and as anyone who's ever played monopoly knows, when does that player ever lose LOL |
| 03:24.23 | Amarande | you can have 4 players at the table and as soon as it gets down to 3 you already know who's going to win :P |
| 03:26.10 | Amarande | kd3: then again, with the cursed net neutrality ruling this may be almost essential |
| 03:26.27 | Amarande | particularly with the buzz about voice chat services &c |
| 03:27.02 | Neffi | this whole thing is awesome http://imgur.com/gallery/YESeau2 |
| 03:27.13 | Neffi | see comments for some glorious stuff |
| 03:27.43 | Amarande | IIRC, it was Comcast who was talking about launching their in-house internet voice chat service and potentially throttling (or allowing to struggle for bandwidth while everything else gets priority, perhaps) other services like vent and such |
| 03:27.56 | kd3 | hahahaha neffi |
| 03:28.33 | Wobin | Neffi: http://translate.google.com/#en/ja/5..5..5..5%20%3Ao%2Co%207%207%205..5..5..5%20%3Ao%2Co%207%207%205..5..5..5.5.5 for the GOT theme =P |
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| 03:42.40 | Stanzilla | http://translate.google.com/#en/ja/888oo%20888oo%20888oo%20888oo best! |
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| 04:12.44 | Gethe | does anyone know anything about BATTLETAG_INVITE_SHOW? nothing in the wiki about it |
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| 04:23.30 | Neffi | woah http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/02/sources-say-comcast-will-buy-time-warner-cable-for-45-2-billion-in-stock/ |
| 04:24.56 | Jamash | the FTC and FCC should just tell them "no way in hell" |
| 04:25.55 | Neffi | One can only hope |
| 04:25.55 | Jamash | any deal involving any of the biggest companies in any market should be an automatic fail |
| 04:26.21 | Neffi | Last I checked those are, specifically, THE two biggest companies in the US market |
| 04:26.27 | Jamash | I hate the attitude that a duopoly is peachy keen as long as it's not a monopoly |
| 04:26.39 | Jamash | two competitors does not make a competitive market |
| 04:26.48 | Neffi | That would also give Comcast an almpst unprecented level of monopoly in terms of area |
| 04:27.06 | Jamash | I wish they'd break up all the phone and cable companies tbh |
| 04:27.13 | Jamash | they're waaaaay too big |
| 04:27.21 | Neffi | Yeah, there's not enough competition IMO |
| 04:27.48 | Jamash | like, where I live our choices for internet are comcast (crappy), dsl (crappy) and satellite (oh god no) |
| 04:28.11 | Jamash | we're juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust out of reach of uverse |
| 04:28.23 | Jamash | which is better than comcast or dsl, but still crappy |
| 04:28.24 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:28.29 | Neffi | But there needs to be a good reason. You can't just say "you're not allowed to continue operating" or "you must dissolve" because "you've been too successful" |
| 04:28.44 | Jamash | Neffi: 100% disagree |
| 04:29.10 | Jamash | "You're too big" is a completely, totally valid reason for the government to break up any company |
| 04:29.14 | Neffi | You can go after predatory behavior, but you can't go after a company for being good at what it does |
| 04:29.20 | Jamash | sure you can |
| 04:29.22 | Amarande | Neffi: with no net neutrality though, a single cable company may almost be the lesser evil |
| 04:29.33 | Amarande | (I'm guessing if this goes through they'll move to gobble up Charter soon enough as well) |
| 04:29.44 | Jamash | if a company has monopoly power then it's impossible for them to not abuse it |
| 04:29.55 | Jamash | the only way to not abuse monopoly power is to give it up |
| 04:29.56 | Amarande | one, cable companies basically already HAVE monopoly power |
| 04:30.00 | Neffi | Improbably* |
| 04:30.06 | Neffi | e, rather |
| 04:30.14 | Amarande | how many people can really consider "move to another city" a viable option just because oh the CABLE isn't so great in their opinion :S |
| 04:30.43 | Jamash | if a market is not competitive, then regulators should make it competitive, period |
| 04:31.00 | Amarande | people can barely manage these days to move to get their kids into a decent school district, or to be nearer work, or any of myriad other reasons that are a hell of a lot more priority to most people than "oh, the cable's not so good" |
| 04:31.32 | Neffi | Jamash: I'm glad you've got it all figured out. Somebody needed to. I'll ring up the President so you can draft the be all end all legislation that solves all the world's problems |
| 04:31.37 | Amarande | and there is only ever one cable company in a given geographical location :S |
| 04:31.49 | Amarande | so yeah. cable companies already HAVE monopoly power, basically |
| 04:32.05 | Semlar | welcome to the free market |
| 04:32.08 | Amarande | and if they start futzing around with things with net neutrality, it may even be LESS chaotic if they end up all merging together :S |
| 04:32.19 | Neffi | fuck where this conversation is going. sleep time |
| 04:32.23 | Amarande | 'specially if Comcast goes ahead with things like their in-house voice chat |
| 04:32.26 | Jamash | good idea |
| 04:32.55 | Amarande | imagine the typical raider ... which will they be happier with, a single cable company where everyone (except that poor kid on DSL) can hear the raid leader |
| 04:33.17 | Amarande | or one where 2/3 of the raid hear someone talking with marbles in their mouth because they can't find a single VOIP service that isn't throttled for 2/3 of the raid depending on their cable company |
| 04:33.39 | Jamash | assuming everyone paid for their enhanced VOIP service |
| 04:33.53 | Jamash | and by "enhanced" I mean "less throttled" |
| 04:34.06 | Amarande | and then they have to fall back on a big name voice chat service like skype, where that poor kid is even worse off because skype is too heavyweight to work well alongside an MMO on his computer |
| 04:34.37 | Jamash | if you actually want them to stop throttling you need to upgrade to ultra mega voip supreme enchilada edition gold platinum star cluster and bar |
| 04:34.45 | Jamash | only $300/mo |
| 04:34.55 | Amarande | basically, what I"m thinking is, cable companies already have monopoly power in their areas and now we have no net neutrality to boot |
| 04:35.04 | Jamash | so no, having one monopoly provider is not any kind of a solution |
| 04:35.18 | Jamash | the solution is to get net neutrality back |
| 04:35.27 | Jamash | call your congresscritter |
| 04:35.45 | Amarande | thus, without the monopoly merger we may have a horrendously segregated country, with noticeably limited communications between people who live in cities that aren't on the same cable company |
| 04:36.24 | Jamash | I think you're underestimating the incandescent fury that will descend upon any cable company that starts to seriously violate net neutrality |
| 04:36.40 | Amarande | Jamash: yeah, that's true |
| 04:36.48 | Amarande | of course, they just have to Lasker us in order to make mad money |
| 04:36.48 | Jamash | man you think people hate comcast now |
| 04:37.08 | Amarande | as in, the threat is stronger than its execution |
| 04:37.34 | Amarande | they just have to make us *think* they *might* futz with stuff, thus keeping us from signing up for triple play plans because those usually require you keep your entire service plan stock still for the duration |
| 04:37.46 | Amarande | thus, causing people to pay full price for the same stuff |
| 04:38.40 | Jamash | see here's what happens |
| 04:38.49 | Jamash | cable company X starts throttling netflix |
| 04:38.49 | Amarande | I'm not sure Congress has much interest in net neutrality, if anything, they probably have interest in explicitly *negating* it |
| 04:39.58 | Jamash | when netflix hitches for cable company X customer Y, a message pops up saying "Dear customer Y, Cable Company X is throttling your bandwidth, please call them at (zzz)-zzz-zzzz" |
| 04:40.13 | Amarande | keep in mind, a neutral net severely obstructs their desire for Draconian anti-piracy initiatives |
| 04:40.25 | Jamash | Cable Company X gets twenty thousand simultaneous phonecalls |
| 04:40.43 | Amarande | without net neutrality, they can much more easily lean on ISPs to muck around with people's access "in the name of copyright protection" :S |
| 04:40.46 | Jamash | oh yeah but nobody cares about antipiracy anymore |
| 04:41.36 | Jamash | lawsuits failed, leaning on ISPs is failing, leaning on governments has failed |
| 04:41.59 | Amarande | Jamash: and 19,500 of those people give up shortly after their patience for "please hold for the next available agent" wears out, sadly, knowing normal sheeple :( |
| 04:42.29 | Jamash | Once again, you are underestimating how much people want their netflix |
| 04:42.44 | Jamash | and how they have nothing better to do than to wait on hold since their movie won't play |
| 04:45.14 | Jamash | France had to cancel their three strikes copyright infringement plan because it was both ruinously expensive and utterly ineffective |
| 04:46.23 | Amarande | and now they're trying to get their money back by suing and fining Google over ridiculous privacy crap, it sounds like LOL |
| 04:47.21 | Amarande | oddly enough, when the recent spate of DDoS started on freenode at first I was going to blame it on the net neutrality rule |
| 04:47.42 | Jamash | I expect that next gen p2p networks will use only encrypted connections and incorporate TOR-like methods for disguising the source and destination of traffic, and it'll be basically over |
| 04:47.44 | Amarande | since it was Super Bowl Sunday, and I figured that maybe ISPs decided to take advantage of the ruling to make a one-off deal with the NFL to prioritise the Super Bowl stream over other traffic |
| 04:48.02 | Amarande | which might well be enough to squeeze out a lot of other net stuff |
| 04:49.09 | Sintacks | redownloading WoW again. to see if i stop crashing. again |
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| 04:51.06 | Amarande | Sintacks, have you checked your RAM and hard disk? |
| 04:51.52 | Amarande | actually, if you continue to get corruption, and it isn't your RAM, you might want to just get a new hard disk anyway |
| 04:52.06 | Amarande | I'm finding myself thinking hard disks should be treated like fresh perishable food |
| 04:52.35 | Sintacks | it's an SSD and WoW is the only thing that crashed. |
| 04:52.40 | Sintacks | and it's not even really a crash |
| 04:52.42 | Sintacks | it's a hang |
| 04:52.44 | Amarande | ah |
| 04:52.46 | Amarande | which brand? |
| 04:52.55 | Sintacks | kingston it hink |
| 04:53.07 | Amarande | hmm ... not sure how good their SSDs are. at least it's not OCZ though |
| 04:53.10 | Amarande | do check your RAM, though |
| 04:53.33 | Sintacks | i think i did test ram when the issue first started, but i don't remember |
| 04:53.45 | Sintacks | that's what i turned my D3 CE flash drive into. a memtest stick |
| 04:54.00 | Amarande | might want to let it go all night depending on your amount of RAM |
| 04:54.22 | Sintacks | 8GB |
| 04:54.28 | Sintacks | non-matching |
| 04:54.31 | Amarande | yeah overnight should do |
| 04:54.41 | Sintacks | didn't start having issues with WoW until a few patches ago. |
| 04:54.49 | Sintacks | i'm not he only person that's having this exact same issue though |
| 04:54.57 | Semlar | how much free space do you have |
| 04:55.03 | Sintacks | my GM gets it quite often and now aparently our OT gets it |
| 04:55.04 | Sintacks | on? |
| 04:55.12 | Semlar | the drive with warcraft |
| 04:55.24 | Sintacks | right now, 26GB cuz it's redownloading. |
| 04:55.27 | Sintacks | but more than 10GB |
| 05:00.21 | Neffi | I play with 11.4 GiB free. 80 GiB partition. No problems |
| 05:00.58 | Semlar | it could be if you were running out of space |
| 05:01.22 | Semlar | 10gb ain't much |
| 05:01.31 | Neffi | 10 GB is a pretty big buffer |
| 05:01.41 | Amarande | I'm back up to 100 GB free on my SSD |
| 05:01.52 | Amarande | of course, at some point I'm thinking of reinstalling WoW and/or getting FF14 |
| 05:01.55 | Semlar | between temp files and the swap it could easily fill 10gb |
| 05:01.58 | Amarande | so it'd be less than that heh |
| 05:02.06 | Neffi | If your usage if +/- 10 GB, then wtf are you doing? |
| 05:02.14 | Amarande | been moving lesser-played, older, and/or already-finished-once games over to the HDD tonight |
| 05:02.34 | Neffi | His swap is probably already factored into his usage |
| 05:02.43 | Semlar | plus ssds are really supposed to have over provisioning |
| 05:03.08 | Neffi | It is good not to fill them. But they do have over provisioning behind the scenes |
| 05:03.09 | Amarande | I actually put my swap on the HDD a while ago, I should really either turn it off altogether or move it to the SSD now |
| 05:03.19 | Amarande | since I'll barely ever use it anyway now that I've got 16GB |
| 05:03.32 | Amarande | with 8GB some things would cause bad swap thrashing, like LOTRO |
| 05:10.26 | Amarande | oy vey. random pro tip of the night: I don't think I EVER want to be wearing Louis Raphael pants while working with computer hardware |
| 05:15.49 | Amarande | apparently this brand produces an absolutely ridiculous amount of static compared to other clothing :| |
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| 05:24.23 | Shirik | I am literally cut off from the world |
| 05:24.26 | Shirik | http://www.kptv.com/story/24710411/large-landslide-blocks-i-84-lanes-near-hood-river |
| 05:24.35 | Shirik | I-84 is like the only road to get anywhere useful |
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| 05:28.59 | Semlar | i hope you don't need to get anywhere useful |
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| 05:51.10 | Amarande | Shirik: yeah, I'm pretty sure I-84 will be unusable over here too |
| 05:51.40 | Shirik | "over here"? |
| 05:51.50 | Amarande | Shirik: 84 is the *one* interstate there are two of |
| 05:51.54 | Amarande | you didn't know that? :) |
| 05:51.59 | Shirik | no o.o |
| 05:52.07 | Shirik | wtf |
| 05:52.25 | Amarande | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-84 |
| 05:52.26 | Shirik | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-84 |
| 05:52.33 | Shirik | wtf is this |
| 05:58.30 | karl_w_w | why are there 2 interstates with the same number? |
| 05:58.46 | karl_w_w | were they shit at counting? |
| 06:00.46 | Jamash | karl_w_w: They're the same interstate, they're just thousands of miles apart |
| 06:03.37 | Shirik | there are plans to put the orange portal in the Utah terminus |
| 06:03.42 | Shirik | and the blue one on the east coast |
| 06:03.44 | Trela_ | The west one has an orange portal at the end and the east one has a blue portal at the end. |
| 06:03.48 | Shirik | ... |
| 06:03.48 | Trela_ | WTF |
| 06:03.51 | Shirik | lmao |
| 06:04.00 | Trela_ | Even the same portal colors. >_> |
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| 06:10.50 | Amarande | karl: I'm a little foggy on how it happened, apparently the western one used to be 80N or some such |
| 06:11.50 | Amarande | Jamash: hah no, they're separate ... though they're actually not as disconnected as one might think, it actually looks like you can connect them with just two roads |
| 06:12.13 | Amarande | take the western 84 to I-15 in Utah, take I-15 to US 6, ride that to Connecticut and you can get on the eastern 84 |
| 06:12.21 | karl_w_w | you can connect anything with 1 road :P |
| 06:12.56 | karl_w_w | *some assembly required |
| 06:13.12 | Jamash | Amarande: There is only one road |
| 06:13.31 | Amarande | anyway, time for sleep so I can get up in the morning to call work to tell them that I'm frozen in and won't be able to get there |
| 06:13.48 | Amarande | since I have a better chance of having been the powerball winner tonight than of making it in in this weather :P |
| 06:56.51 | nevcairiel | is this week some US holiday again that accounts for all the tv shows not airing, or what am i missing? |
| 06:57.43 | Shirik | I have no holiday this week |
| 06:57.59 | Shirik | there's valentine's day |
| 06:58.46 | nevcairiel | right thats tomorrow |
| 06:59.22 | Semlar | olympix? |
| 06:59.44 | nevcairiel | every station showing olympics? |
| 06:59.44 | Semlar | maybe they don't want to compete |
| 06:59.50 | nevcairiel | maybe |
| 06:59.52 | Semlar | it's about ratings |
| 07:01.59 | Semlar | iunno |
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| 08:22.20 | pompy | http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/02/13/final-borderlands-2-dlc-announced |
| 08:22.50 | zenzio | well that's sort of... late? |
| 08:23.04 | zenzio | trying to remember when I played B2 |
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| 08:30.57 | Shirik | "We are excited about Directory Tiles because it has inherent value to our users, it aligns with our vision of a better Internet through trust and transparency, and it helps Mozilla become more diversified and sustainable as a project," Herman said. |
| 08:31.10 | Shirik | how the fuck do you get "vision of a better Internet through trust and transparency" from ads? |
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| 09:16.37 | Primer | better ads |
| 09:16.49 | Primer | realm died again |
| 09:16.57 | Primer | Ordos was at 2%...sigh... |
| 09:17.10 | Primer | I waited forever in that group too |
| 09:17.25 | Semlar | ^_^ |
| 09:18.35 | Primer | item is in my bag, but my bonus roll never happened |
| 09:20.43 | Primer | idiots in chat are saying ddos |
| 09:20.49 | Primer | but I think that's unlikely |
| 09:21.17 | Semlar | more likely this horrible weather |
| 09:21.40 | Primer | naw, Frostmourne's in LA |
| 09:21.53 | Primer | we've been having perfect weather here |
| 09:22.22 | Semlar | did the server itself go down or a node to it |
| 09:23.43 | Primer | everyone DC'd |
| 09:23.48 | Primer | but all are back |
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| 09:29.21 | znf | will test! |
| 09:30.14 | Semlar | no auras but i ran into a lot of issues just getting it to display how i wanted it to |
| 09:37.14 | bluspacecow | *sigh* Apple DVD player y u no skip advertisiment trailiers |
| 09:37.25 | bluspacecow | hate mandatory ones before the menu screen. |
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| 10:24.15 | karl_w_w | lol bluspacecow don't blame apple products |
| 10:24.21 | karl_w_w | buy the person who bought them |
| 10:24.33 | bluspacecow | lol |
| 10:24.34 | karl_w_w | blame the person who bought them* o.o |
| 10:24.42 | bluspacecow | you want to buy me now |
| 10:24.46 | bluspacecow | big boy ? |
| 10:24.52 | bluspacecow | *eye waggle* |
| 10:25.38 | karl_w_w | have you watched clannad bluspacecow? |
| 10:25.56 | bluspacecow | folksy celtic music m? |
| 10:26.06 | karl_w_w | nah the more recent version |
| 10:26.12 | karl_w_w | the anime |
| 10:27.01 | karl_w_w | it's my thing right now, I'm getting pretty much everyone I know watching it |
| 10:27.19 | bluspacecow | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1118804/synopsis?ref_=ttt_ov_pl ??? |
| 10:28.09 | karl_w_w | yes |
| 10:28.52 | bluspacecow | seen all of it yet ? |
| 10:28.52 | bluspacecow | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1298820/?ref_=tt_rec_tt |
| 10:29.21 | karl_w_w | yeah |
| 10:30.57 | bluspacecow | should I read the manga or watch the anime first |
| 10:31.32 | karl_w_w | watch the anime I would say |
| 10:31.45 | karl_w_w | it's based on a visual novel anyway, not a manga |
| 10:32.05 | bluspacecow | http://www.fatso.co.nz/Search?q=clannad |
| 10:32.06 | bluspacecow | :3 |
| 10:34.12 | karl_w_w | excellent choice :P |
| 10:36.54 | bluspacecow | this movie feels like it could of been better executed if it had a bunch of unknowns. and a slightly better script. |
| 10:37.46 | karl_w_w | what are you watching? |
| 10:38.13 | Semlar | the lion king |
| 10:38.39 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 10:41.44 | bluspacecow | Gulliver's Travels 2010 |
| 10:41.56 | bluspacecow | it feels like the only reason it made money is from the headlining cast |
| 10:42.27 | bluspacecow | altouugh Billy Connolly is pretty good. Close to what I know of him from his travel series |
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| 10:44.09 | zenzio | woot, Iron Maiden finally back in Norway this summer |
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| 11:43.53 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZpm_9_PmYg taking doge to new levels |
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| 14:20.21 | jleclanche | anyone who wants civilization III/IV/V or G&K? |
| 14:20.27 | jleclanche | i got them as part of my bundle and already had them |
| 14:20.49 | jleclanche | Also a reminder for those who want more than one of those: https://www.humblebundle.com/ |
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| 14:23.30 | zenzio | jleclanche: you seemed to be using zsh; is there any compelling reason to switch from (or stay with) bash, if I'm not doing any fancy stuff? Never looked at other shells |
| 14:24.28 | jleclanche | zenzio: if you're not doing anything more than typing commands in, theres not that much reason to switch. its like windows vs mac vs linux; if all you're doing is opening a web browser it doesnt matter what you use |
| 14:25.10 | jleclanche | zenzio: zsh is very powerful though. its mostly bash-compatible and its default syntax is friendlier, which makes it more abordable to scripting and you can more easily get into writing your own custom stuff, which imho is a must for a shell |
| 14:25.16 | Iriel | It's very much personal preference, if you like the idioms in a more 'esoteric' shell then it can be super effective for you. |
| 14:25.26 | zenzio | hm |
| 14:25.30 | jleclanche | zenzio: it has a lot of very good defaults, and theres a lot of very powerful shell prompts out there which are great |
| 14:25.47 | zenzio | sounds worth trying. I use a few custom shell scripts, and they feel tedious to update/maintain |
| 14:25.48 | jleclanche | zenzio: if you are into plugin, there is also a community around a plugin manager called "oh-my-zsh" |
| 14:26.32 | jleclanche | zenzio: this will get you started: https://github.com/Adys/dotfiles/blob/master/.zshrc - you might want to remove lines 273-280 if you have some critical paths that shouldnt change |
| 14:26.51 | zenzio | don't think I've ever looked at plugins for either shell; so I don't really know what I am - or am not - missing |
| 14:26.59 | jleclanche | I dont use plugins either |
| 14:27.02 | jleclanche | just zsh builtin stuff |
| 14:27.16 | Iriel | Personally I found ksh painful after years using tcsh and bash. |
| 14:27.23 | Iriel | so zsh never seemed that appealing to me |
| 14:27.39 | jleclanche | the zshrc i linked you is very familiar for bash users, but prettier and with various neat features. give it a read-through |
| 14:27.53 | zenzio | I pretty much just said "well if that's Slackware's default, I don't want to second-guess it" |
| 14:28.49 | zenzio | did learn that you don't generally break things much from the shell when they give you the choice during the installation |
| 14:29.19 | zenzio | but hey, I've had scary experiences before... like accidentally opening system config files in vi, and having to log onto another shell to kill it |
| 14:29.46 | Iriel | Every unix user should know the vi binding for 'quit without saving' |
| 14:29.59 | jleclanche | +1 |
| 14:30.18 | zenzio | I looked it up after that :) (but also added an EDITOR=nano to my .bashrc) |
| 14:31.07 | jleclanche | zenzio: you'll want to change EDITOR in that zshrc as well then :P |
| 14:31.26 | zenzio | :) |
| 14:32.57 | zenzio | real soon now I'm going to make the effort to learn vi(m). At my typical speed of doing things, that means I should get started sometime before 2020 |
| 14:33.39 | zenzio | my website's main page since I registered my domain... four years ago? has just been an "Eventually something will be here" message |
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| 14:44.24 | Iriel | zenzio: Really all you have to do is try and /use/ something actively for a while, it soon becomes natural. I would always recommend leaning ONE editor well over every editor poorly, similarly ONE shell well over multiple shells poorly (You can always learn more than one after the first) |
| 14:45.03 | zenzio | that's how I learned Slackware (albeit slowly ;) :) |
| 14:50.24 | zenzio | come to that, it's how I learned coding too |
| 14:55.16 | Amarande | jleclanche: yay multiple ways to let the computer develop multiple personalities to conspire against you :D |
| 14:55.27 | Amarande | in that regard, btw |
| 14:55.39 | Amarande | has Civilisation ever decided to drop that evil bastard nature and become a fair free for all? :) |
| 14:55.43 | Amarande | or is it still just like that? |
| 14:56.04 | Amarande | from what I've heard at least in the earlier games, despite the fact that you'd *think* it was a free for all between all the nations |
| 14:56.23 | jleclanche | zenzio: to use vim, all you need to know are the nano equivalent commands |
| 14:56.26 | Amarande | in actual fact, it always devolves into the computer nations basically all becoming a bloc against you the player to make you lose |
| 14:56.40 | Amarande | only rarely letting you ally with them and only rarely attacking their own :P |
| 14:56.50 | jleclanche | zenzio: how to write, how to quit, how to go into input mode and how to go back to visual mode |
| 14:56.59 | jleclanche | the rest you learn as you go |
| 14:57.05 | Amarande | (this seems to be an issue with free-for-all games with bots in general too, about the only one I've seen it not be like that in is UT) |
| 14:58.19 | zenzio | I very briefly tried emacs once, because I enjoy the Ctrl+... keys (A, E, O, etc.) of nano/bash, but that didn't last long at all |
| 14:58.34 | Iriel | emacs is delightful, but it's definitely an acquired taste |
| 14:59.07 | Iriel | Amarande: I think part of the issue with civ is the player often just ends up a huge asshole, as far as the AI's are concerned. |
| 14:59.16 | zenzio | the vim commands (without having actually tried them) look trickier, but witnessed people use it very efficiently |
| 14:59.31 | Iriel | Amarande: You have to play a much more active diplomacy game to avoid that situation. |
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| 15:03.52 | Amarande | Iriel: hmm come to think of it that might be why it doesn't happen with UT |
| 15:04.18 | Amarande | in UT, everyone's got the same base capabilities (especially if you play in Your Fave Weapon Arena mode like I always did) |
| 15:04.28 | Amarande | so it's basically "blast whatever other player(s) come by" heh |
| 15:13.15 | Iriel | The comparison between something like an FPS and a strategy game doesn't really work due to the difference in stakes too, if Im controlling key resources, everyone wants to kill me, and everyone wants to do it first because then THEY will be in control. It's not just another point, it's getting all my stuff. |
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| 17:10.56 | TC-Work | zenzio: http://vim-adventures.com/ :p |
| 17:12.14 | Stanzilla | so the heroes of the storm client has built in voice chat, here's hope it's better than the crap in wow |
| 17:13.38 | Alram | its probably the same as SC2 voice chat Stanzilla |
| 17:13.43 | Alram | since it looks like a glorified SC2 mod |
| 17:13.44 | Alram | :D |
| 17:13.52 | Stanzilla | yeah |
| 17:14.39 | Guest75784 | this is awesome TC-Work |
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| 17:15.38 | TC-Work | Guest75784: Thank you, and stop being a name failure. |
| 17:16.14 | mikma | ~failrik |
| 17:16.14 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 17:17.02 | cogwheel | Vim + dvorak = broken brain |
| 17:17.04 | Guest75784 | I like my name |
| 17:21.01 | TC-Work | cogwheel: Yea, I bet. |
| 17:21.24 | cogwheel | at least H is to the left of L |
| 17:28.48 | Amarande | cogwheel: someone used to dvorak keyboards would probably say the same about vim + qwerty |
| 17:31.33 | cogwheel | i am that someone! :P really the only thing that doesn't really work out on dvorak are the directional keys. Nearly everything else is mnemonic, so it's not really as bad as that |
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| 17:39.39 | Stanzilla | Alram: did you install it yet? |
| 17:39.55 | Alram | install what |
| 17:40.00 | Stanzilla | heroes |
| 17:40.06 | Alram | why would i install something so boring |
| 17:40.07 | Guest75784 | cogwheel: fortunately, using the directional keys in vim is wrong anyway :D |
| 17:40.20 | Stanzilla | dunno |
| 17:40.24 | cogwheel | most of the time yes |
| 17:40.46 | cogwheel | i probably use them more for switching between windows than navigating text |
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| 17:51.28 | zenzelezz | TC-Work: interesting :-o |
| 17:53.04 | JC333 | Anyone in-game also unable to set keys to open the Pet Panel? Last week it was SHIFT+P, now it is nonfunctional. |
| 17:54.11 | pompy | so d3 ros beta is an open beta? |
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| 17:55.33 | Stanzilla | not yet |
| 17:55.33 | kd3|hate`net | it should still be shift+p... |
| 17:55.37 | kd3|hate`net | it works for me |
| 17:56.04 | kd3 | check your keybinds? |
| 18:09.14 | Guest75784 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evNi4_2qHPY |
| 18:10.29 | TC-Work | ~lart Guest75784 |
| 18:10.29 | purl | eats Guest75784 and falls over dead |
| 18:20.18 | jleclanche | zenzio: so, did you like my zshrc? |
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| 18:35.09 | zenzelezz | jleclanche: haven't had time to try it yet; just finished dinner |
| 18:35.34 | zenzelezz | and it appears I don't have it installed o_O |
| 18:35.40 | zenzelezz | shouldn't be a problem |
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| 18:40.27 | zenzelezz | that feeling when you log on to your bank to pay the bills, and realize there's only one |
| 18:45.51 | Amarande | heh, for the most part there's only two bills I pay directly out of my bank account |
| 18:46.19 | Amarande | the rest usually goes on the credit cards & then paid off in aggregate via the credit card bill |
| 18:48.03 | Dagmar | I'm considering switching to doing that just to game the credit card industry, but I really _hate_ those fuckers |
| 18:48.39 | Dagmar | My profitability rating for them is presently : NaN. |
| 18:51.38 | karl_w_w | holy crap, hearthstone arena, just mind visioned gruul out of his hand |
| 18:51.53 | Amarande | heh, in my case, I happen to find American Express points to be a lovely thing |
| 18:52.01 | Amarande | especially since they turn directly into savings on amazon |
| 18:52.47 | Dagmar | I send back "preapproved" credit applications with "FUCK YOU. TAKE ME OFF YOUR MAILING LIST" written with a big red marker. |
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| 18:53.19 | zenzelezz | "You motherfuckers are pre-disapproved" |
| 18:53.34 | Dagmar | Pretty much. |
| 18:53.55 | Dagmar | I have a serious beef with an industry that has decided to try and make itself _unavoidable_ |
| 18:54.11 | Amarande | Oddly, I actually think I once had a credit upgrade eaten by 9/11 :| |
| 18:54.22 | Dagmar | It's to the point where it's actually _annoying_ to buy anything expensive with _actual money_ |
| 18:54.47 | zenzelezz | expensive as in how much? |
| 18:54.49 | Amarande | Well, most of the expensive stuff I buy, I buy online anyway, it's not like you can transmit cash through the internets :S |
| 18:55.01 | Dagmar | You try and buy a used car, and half the time the guy at the lot will keep talking about getting approval for a loan because they barely know how to deal with money |
| 18:55.02 | Iriel | In fairness to the industry, they figured out how to make it "easy' to buy expensive things often without undue risk to either party. |
| 18:55.08 | Amarande | As for the upgrade eaten by 9/11, I had been offered by one of my credit card companies an upgrade to Gold |
| 18:55.19 | Amarande | I mailed in the form about a week before it, and never heard a peep back from them |
| 18:55.24 | Dagmar | Oh there's no "risk" alright. They're _going_ to get their money from you, even if it takes forever. |
| 18:55.26 | Iriel | but they're a bit too in love with themselves. |
| 18:55.28 | Amarande | I begin to suspect the form may have ended up in the rubble :| |
| 18:55.43 | Iriel | Debit cards, on the other hand, are a scourge on the universe |
| 18:55.59 | Iriel | (In their present form anyway) |
| 18:56.06 | Amarande | Dagmar: Buy now, pay forever? :) |
| 18:56.24 | Dagmar | Pretty much |
| 18:56.31 | Amarande | Don't I know it. Technically I'm not even sure I've paid off Windows XP, thanks to credit card interest over the years LOL |
| 18:56.35 | Iriel | Dagmar: sometimes they get their money from the merchant instead of the customer. |
| 18:56.50 | Iriel | Dagmar: ideally from their perspective they get it both sides 8-) |
| 18:57.13 | Dagmar | I am _horrified_ that they've argued that student loans should be _inescapable_ |
| 18:57.29 | Dagmar | No matter what happens, they'll pursue you for the rest of your life over those |
| 18:57.30 | zenzelezz | what? |
| 18:57.45 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xzv8Z8gxj8 nsfw |
| 18:57.45 | Dagmar | Bankruptcy can not clear a student loan debt. |
| 18:57.51 | Iriel | the whole system around student loans is just plain broken. |
| 18:57.56 | Amarande | Dagmar: that's probably part of the whole degree-for-a-job prevalence |
| 18:58.03 | Dagmar | So they've basically brought back the institution of indentured servitude. |
| 18:58.14 | Amarande | even in a lot of jobs where it seems like you wouldn't really need a degree to be able to perform them |
| 18:58.31 | Dagmar | Amarande: Oh yes. I acutally got turned down for a network security position some years ago based on my _lack_ of a credit history |
| 18:58.45 | Amarande | one is the more commonly expressed notion that it's about proving that you're willing and able to submit to ridiculous arbitrary rules, like school tends to spit at you regularly |
| 18:58.46 | Iriel | The problem from the loan company's perspective is that a bankruptcy carries little long term downside to a 20something with no assets and a ton of debt, so since they've created a world in which student credit has driven insane educational costs, they're sort of fucked if they can't fix that. |
| 18:58.55 | Amarande | however ... one also wonders now |
| 18:59.10 | Dagmar | Indentured servitude is _not_ the answer. That's for damn sure. |
| 18:59.37 | Dagmar | Also, considering that I have a co-worker whose 18,000 initial loan has balloned up to 86,000... that group of folks is morally reprehensible |
| 18:59.52 | Amarande | is there some kind of backroom deal between some employers and banks, i.e., the banks cut them a break on their business loan rates because they expect the company to hire mainly or entirely degreed employees, and thus drum up more student loan victims for said banks to recoup the money from? :P |
| 18:59.57 | Dagmar | They'll willfully sell a loan to another company, and then that company will tack on more fees to the loan |
| 19:00.08 | Dagmar | ...and six months later they'll sell it to someone else. |
| 19:01.21 | Amarande | like <Bank> Hey, MegaCo, we know you're leaning towards hiring just degreed employees anyway ... I think that's a dandy idea. Here's a rate break, because you're pulling in so many customers for us because people break down and spend the money for college so they can get a job with you. <MegaCo> Thanks! <MegaCo->public> ONLY BACHELOR'S DEGREED APPLICANTS WILL BE CONSIDERED |
| 19:01.58 | Dagmar | You really have to ask yourself... considering these people have engineered things so that a substantial portion of the population can't begin to escape the lower-tier of the class system without handing over about 20% of their income for a decade or more... and they _still_ can't manage to show a profit... What is _wrong_ with these people? |
| 19:02.16 | Iriel | I'm sure plenty of profit is being made |
| 19:02.24 | Iriel | it's like movies accounting. |
| 19:02.27 | Amarande | Dagmar: are you quite sure they actually don't show a profit, and aren't engineering stuff to make a profit while appearing to not do so |
| 19:02.28 | Amarande | like movies? |
| 19:03.11 | Dagmar | Oh I think mainly they're spending it on executive salaries, bonuses, private jets, expensive restaurants, hookers, company sportscars and other "costs of doing business" |
| 19:03.37 | Dagmar | ...which is why I write "FUCK YOU. TAKE ME OFF YOUR LIST." on these credit appllications that show up because they know I have money. |
| 19:03.41 | Amarande | also they get to soak us better when they claim they're not making a profit |
| 19:04.00 | Amarande | because then they can go oh boohoobies QQ to the government and ask for "tottering bank" aid |
| 19:04.26 | Dagmar | Being that student loan money comes from the gov't at less than 1% interest, and then is immediately loaned from a private bank to students at much more than that... fuck those guys. |
| 19:04.28 | TC-Work | Iriel: What is your issue with debit cards? |
| 19:04.41 | Amarande | apparently a lot of people had their credit utterly destroyed in 2009 thanks to TARP and the banks gaming it |
| 19:04.51 | Iriel | TC-Work: IMHO too much of the risk is on the account holder. |
| 19:04.59 | Amarande | I'm glad my American Express card is the green charge card, people with the Blue and other actual *credit* cards apparently got especially burned |
| 19:05.08 | Dagmar | Iriel: I've not really seen any risk |
| 19:05.31 | Amarande | basically, banks that really *weren't* in all that much trouble decided to try to get their hands in the TARP cookie jar |
| 19:05.40 | Amarande | so they had to find some way of convincing the government that they were strapped for cash |
| 19:05.50 | Amarande | but, they couldn't really *do* that with high credit limits as offered to customers at the time |
| 19:05.52 | Dagmar | BoA actually sorted out my one problem with a compromised CC correctly, and after I had a talk with them (previously to that) on behalf of my sister-in-law, they fixed her $2,000 unauthorized withdrawal as well |
| 19:05.53 | Iriel | If some transaction shows up and consumes your balance, the difficulty is that it's your money that's gone. |
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| 19:06.15 | Dagmar | Irial: Ah, but only until you contact the bank and _make_ them correct it. |
| 19:06.25 | Iriel | And certainly, if they're being helpful and responsive, the banks can address that well, but I don't believe they're OBLIGED to in the same way as with credit cards. |
| 19:06.27 | Amarande | ... so a number of them massively slashed credit limits across the board, forcing customers to take the cascadingly destructive consequences of same, in order to claim oh boohoobies QQ we don't have enough money to keep up our credit business! can we have some TARP pleaseeeeeee? |
| 19:06.44 | Dagmar | BoA was giving my sister-in-law shit about that, and then I explained to them very precisely that when I got off the phone with them, I was going to notify the police that there had been a bank robbery |
| 19:07.13 | Dagmar | They were given that money in good faith that they were only going to be giving it back to my sister-in-law or to authorized transactions. |
| 19:07.14 | Amarande | (and then what happens is your debt to debt limit ratio gets trashed, so your credit rating drops, so you get MORE credit limits slashed and rates hiked, so your debt to debt limit ratio gets even WORSE, so you get MORE limits slashed and rates hiked even more and so on ...) |
| 19:07.17 | Iriel | I should make it clear, I use a credit card as a transaction bucket, not to carry credit. |
| 19:07.19 | Dagmar | they failed. They lost the money, not her |
| 19:07.27 | zenzelezz | Iriel: same |
| 19:08.25 | Dagmar | The only reason I'm considering gaming the credit rating system is that I'm considering buying a house, and I may actually finance 10% of it. |
| 19:09.17 | Dagmar | To which any offers of 20% will be met with, "No, you will give me prime or I will find someone who is capable of taking easy money." |
| 19:09.46 | Dagmar | THe one time I took out a car loan I got severely screwed because I didn't know better. Now I know how to fuck banks over. |
| 19:10.22 | Iriel | I don't think it's so much fucking them over as it is not being an easy mark. |
| 19:10.46 | Dagmar | If I can pay 90% of the cost of something like that, and have money left over, they're not taking on any risk. |
| 19:11.18 | Dagmar | Iriel: No, someone's boss will likely chew their ass for even entertaining the idea of a loan like that |
| 19:11.42 | Dagmar | Loan offices are all about _greed_. |
| 19:11.51 | Iriel | A collateralized loan on a house /shouldnt/ be high risk, because they can just go after the asset if you don't pay. |
| 19:12.03 | Dagmar | Except if you have no "credit record". |
| 19:12.19 | Dagmar | In which case they actually try to dump you into the highest-risk bracket. |
| 19:12.36 | Amarande | Iriel: except then they have the asset, not the money |
| 19:12.37 | pompy | what is wrong wit this world hahah http://techland.time.com/2014/02/12/common-sense-prevails-goat-simulator-video-game-coming-soon-for-10/ |
| 19:12.43 | Amarande | and have to manage to flip the house in order to get anything back |
| 19:12.52 | Amarande | it's not like they're going to be using the house except to flip it, either |
| 19:13.06 | TC-Work | Sometimes, good things. |
| 19:13.09 | Iriel | Amarande: well, that's why when you're borrowing 10% it;s easy, and 50% its not 8-) |
| 19:13.10 | TC-Work | Very rare though |
| 19:13.11 | Amarande | otherwise, there wouldn't have actually been that much of a CRISIS when the mortgage thing hit the fan |
| 19:13.13 | Arrowmaster | my bank started promoting their new credit card so i signed up, they declined me for not enough credit history even though my score is 745 |
| 19:13.23 | Amarande | banks got plenty of houses then, after all! |
| 19:13.29 | Iriel | Amarande: the problem there wasn't "normal loans" it was idioic loans to people who couldn't afford them |
| 19:13.42 | Amarande | ... except oh snap they had to flip them at a fraction of what they originally loaned out to the previous owners :P |
| 19:13.52 | Iriel | for properties that weren't worth the prices they were being sold for (which were driven up because of the availability of stupid money) |
| 19:13.59 | Dagmar | Amarande: Truly a crying shame |
| 19:14.16 | Iriel | It's important not to treat rational home buying with the sub prime thing |
| 19:14.36 | Dagmar | Amarande: Although the complete shit-fest is that if the borrower isn't immediately filing bankruptcy, the bank will _continue_ to chase after the person who they foreclosed on for the difference |
| 19:15.13 | Dagmar | A foreclosure doesn't mean you just walk away. It means if the bank sells the house for ten dollars, the bank will continue to consider the remaining money an outstanding debt. |
| 19:15.15 | Iriel | By the way if you haven't read it, "The Big Short" is a good read, though it'll probably make you angry. |
| 19:15.55 | Dagmar | The only industry that's done anything close to as evil a job of fucking everyone over would be the auto industry pushing SUVs |
| 19:16.05 | Amarande | then there's the other half of how credit rating works. transactions drop off the credit rating after seven years ... but that's seven years OF BEING UNTOUCHED, apparently |
| 19:16.13 | Amarande | you decide to actually pay off that debt to "improve your credit rating"? |
| 19:16.21 | Amarande | apparently, in many cases, that just means you reset the timer on your black mark, sucker |
| 19:17.02 | Dagmar | Amarande: This is why I say it's an index of profitability. The only thing that really makes it go up is giving money to a lending institution. |
| 19:17.03 | zenzelezz | auto/SUV always reminds of the Canyonero from Simpsons |
| 19:17.13 | Amarande | Dagmar: well, exactly |
| 19:17.24 | Amarande | it's also why if you pay off all your credit cards every month, that actually lowers your credit a little compared to keeping balances |
| 19:17.30 | Dagmar | zenzeless: At one point here in Nashville over half the new cars for sale were SUVs |
| 19:17.40 | Amarande | because then the credit card companies know that they're spending all that money on staff to service you and they're not making jack |
| 19:17.44 | Dagmar | If you didn't want an SUV, your options were Kia and that was nearly it |
| 19:17.52 | Dagmar | Maybe some companies that weren't making SUVs |
| 19:18.30 | Iriel | Amarande: oh they're doing fine, they're charging the merchants for every transaction. |
| 19:18.37 | Dagmar | I wondered what the long term effects of that might be, and sure enough, a few years ago we had a run on gasoline |
| 19:18.46 | Iriel | Amarande: that's the thing, the credit card industry makes money on TRANSACTION volume |
| 19:18.51 | Dagmar | ...becuase when you have a 20 gallon tank you tend to run around with it half empty |
| 19:18.52 | Amarande | rats, still 45 minutes left on the cooldown on these crafts |
| 19:19.12 | Dagmar | ...and a little scare making everyone fill up to full is more than all the gas in the city. |
| 19:19.44 | Iriel | They'd rather have you run a couple of grand through your card every month than pay it off than carry a small balance and spend far less. |
| 19:19.59 | Iriel | s/than/then/ |
| 19:20.05 | Dagmar | They're getting their 2-5% of every dollar that goes through thatc card |
| 19:20.49 | Dagmar | ...and usually it's on the high side of that. |
| 19:21.04 | Iriel | Depends on the merchant really |
| 19:21.26 | Iriel | High volume/low risk merchants get significantly better rates |
| 19:21.38 | Dagmar | If your'e a small business it'll be higher |
| 19:21.50 | Iriel | but have much higher costs to manage compliance etc to manage those rates |
| 19:22.23 | Iriel | yeah, if you're small you're essentially paying the bank to do more of the work. |
| 19:23.04 | Iriel | (All this talk reminds me I actually need to PAY my credit card bill) |
| 19:23.48 | Iriel | And, as I sign out "Congratulations, you are prequalified! |
| 19:23.48 | Iriel | BankAmericard Privileges® credit card with Cash Rewards" |
| 19:24.04 | Amarande | heh, and everyone wants to give you another card |
| 19:24.22 | Iriel | In this case the ones I already have one with, which is just a bit odd. |
| 19:24.35 | Iriel | but they've been at it for ages - I just ignore them |
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| 19:43.17 | VIad | hmm, any way I can add a border to my texture widget? |
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| 19:45.34 | Amarande | Don't worry VIad, soon enough we'll probably be told we can't have custom texture backgrounds and the like anyway, thanks to that guy who was here the other day heh |
| 19:45.42 | VIad | :( |
| 19:46.09 | Amarande | (you were probably here for it, the guy who's trying to game the addon system to put up QR codes so that he can have a robo device read data in real time off the screen :S) |
| 19:46.27 | Iriel | I can't think of any reason you COULDNT add a border. |
| 19:46.31 | Amarande | not really sure you *can* break that one without pretty much throwing custom graphics out the window, either :| |
| 19:46.34 | Iriel | Amarande: BTDT years ago |
| 19:47.32 | Iriel | (Demonstrating the ease with which data can be gotten out of the game if you have access to the frame buffer, that is) |
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| 19:48.09 | Iriel | Even QR codes are a silly solution to that problem. |
| 19:48.25 | Iriel | Just take a high density set of pixels and use texture color data to much higher bandwidth |
| 19:48.28 | Amarande | Yeah, but presumably reading the frame buffer in real time would trip Warden |
| 19:48.48 | Iriel | Frame capture device hanging off DVI? |
| 19:48.51 | Amarande | the QR code thing is a much more (potentially) significant issue, because Warden cannot track the state or actions of an external device |
| 19:48.58 | Amarande | ah, didn't think of *that* one |
| 19:49.07 | Dagmar | Iriel: My guess is he's running it in Wine or something |
| 19:49.14 | Dagmar | ...or one of those _other_ cheat frameworks |
| 19:49.25 | Amarande | DVI's becoming kind of obsolete though in favour of HDMI, and HDMI heavily limits such devices because HDMI tends to imply HDCP |
| 19:49.42 | Dagmar | HDCP == easily defetable for a mere $200 purchase. |
| 19:49.44 | Amarande | and that's *exactly* the sort of device HDCP would say "gtfo, no way Jose" to |
| 19:49.46 | Dagmar | er defeatable |
| 19:49.58 | Iriel | You think WoW sends the HDCP signal? |
| 19:50.08 | Iriel | that would strike me as "silly" |
| 19:50.13 | Amarande | Iriel: isn't that done at graphics driver level since Vista? |
| 19:50.21 | Dagmar | I doubt it, although Microsoft has some hooks in it to do that with video |
| 19:50.37 | Iriel | And anyway, if you can make Fraps work without tripping warden, you're essentially there |
| 19:50.38 | Amarande | that was the big hoo-hah with Vista, was that everyone had to throw out their monitors because Windows was going to enforce HDCP on flat panels |
| 19:50.46 | Amarande | (and earlier flat panels hadn't had it) |
| 19:51.03 | Iriel | Amarande: Hm, maybe it is.. I have more monitors on my mac than my PC (and my PC is still DVI) |
| 19:51.08 | Amarande | Iriel: wait, recording video of your raid is a way to get banned? |
| 19:51.20 | Amarande | weird, I see youtubes of raid fights all the time |
| 19:51.22 | Iriel | Amarande: my point is that the two are indistinguishable |
| 19:51.35 | Iriel | If you can capture the frame buffer to make a video, you can extract data from it |
| 19:51.39 | Amarande | or do they have to be taken by an external camera because fraps would probably trip Warden (especially after this guy's ambitions, I suppose) |
| 19:51.47 | Arrowmaster | ok waiting for turbo tax to call me back now so i can figure out how to file this $6779.50 deduction |
| 19:52.07 | Arrowmaster | which is more than i think i was taxed last year |
| 19:52.12 | Amarande | (maybe not Fraps as such, that might be whitelisted, but there's always new video capture programs coming out that might have to worry, e.g. has WoW whitelisted Shadowplay?) |
| 19:52.16 | Dagmar | I'm not sure hookers are a deductible expnse |
| 19:52.28 | Iriel | people who start trying to build these insane contraptions to work around wow's sandbox are missing the point. |
| 19:52.32 | Iriel | If they catch you, they'll kill you |
| 19:52.39 | Arrowmaster | this is what happens when you drive 19370 miles for work in a year |
| 19:52.42 | Amarande | Iriel: in the short term |
| 19:52.43 | Iriel | so stop wasting everyone's time with your grand ideas and build something, or shut up and dont. |
| 19:52.53 | Amarande | in the long term ... well, I've mentioned it before and people usually tell me I shouldn't mention it LOL |
| 19:52.55 | Dagmar | Actually, I'm doing a little digginng now (since it's been 5 years since I last looked) and there are some HDCP strippers for anywhere from $20 to $150 now |
| 19:53.09 | Dagmar | ...and it's only about $180 to get a card that will stream HDMI video right back to a disk |
| 19:53.19 | Iriel | Is mono price still the place to go for HDMI cables? |
| 19:53.27 | Dagmar | Even cheaper if it's component video output |
| 19:53.29 | Iriel | I need to replace a couple |
| 19:53.31 | Amarande | mind you, I doubt WoW will still be being played by the time robots are that advanced |
| 19:53.31 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 19:53.38 | Amarande | so I suppose WoW itself never has to worry about that one :S |
| 19:53.47 | Amarande | Game TOS in general probably will, though |
| 19:53.58 | Arrowmaster | monoprice shipping prices suck so order as much as you think you need at once, get some usb cables etc at the same time |
| 19:54.27 | Iriel | Arrowmaster: thanks for the heads up, that's good to know - I'll do a bit of an inventory first. |
| 19:54.30 | Arrowmaster | if you only need 1 or 2 cables you might be able to get better prices through amazon basics |
| 19:54.47 | Dagmar | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004F9LVXC/ref=oh_details_o04_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 <-- $24.50 to strip HDCP. so effective. much secure |
| 19:54.50 | Amarande | sooner or later, we're probably going to have self-thinking robots, do they count as independent persons and can they play online games or are they barred because they're "automated devices"? |
| 19:55.28 | Dagmar | Amarande: They can do whatever they want as long as they stay out of my massively multiplayer red light district |
| 19:55.44 | Amarande | more to the point more recently too is probably medical applications ... are we going to possibly soon get to the point where an injury or illness can literally make you have to give up gaming :| |
| 19:55.54 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: it used to be $100 for a digital to analog converter |
| 19:56.07 | Amarande | like if we find the ability to restore lost brain functions via electronic implants, say |
| 19:56.09 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: yeah but there's really no need to resample from analog back to digital |
| 19:56.25 | Amarande | are such people then basically permabanned from MMOs because they'd be considered to have "automated computer assistance"? |
| 19:57.10 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: the only advantage of the digital to analog is they advertised it as a way to bypass hdcp, ones like you linked cant go advertising they bypass hdcp |
| 19:57.13 | Amarande | (mind you there's plenty of injuries and illnesses that would make you give up gaming, but here I mean, if we're going to come up with medical *treatments* that would cause a person to be legally considered a bot per most standard Terms of Service) |
| 19:57.33 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster; There's some other ones that are _just_ for bypassing HDCP. The HD FUry and HD Fury 2 IIRC |
| 19:57.50 | Arrowmaster | right |
| 19:58.11 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: on top of that, isn't HDCP designed to blacklist devices that are found to be traitorous? |
| 19:58.29 | Dagmar | Yes, but that's even more useless a mechanism. |
| 19:58.30 | Amarande | you'd probably have to stop updating your blu-ray/console firmware or your graphics driver at some point |
| 19:58.32 | Arrowmaster | they can |
| 19:59.03 | Amarande | Hope you didn't like watching the newest movies, you can't do that if you don't keep your blu-ray firmware up to date! :) |
| 19:59.04 | Arrowmaster | most things with blacklisting do it completely wrong, about the only thing that is even done effectively is bluray but i dont know how much they use it effectively |
| 19:59.08 | Dagmar | ...cuz like, your unit asks the other end "What kind of device are you?" and like it's _really_ going to report back "I'm a PiraTek(Tm) HDCP Stripper!" |
| 19:59.30 | Dagmar | No, it's going to respond back that it's some cheap TV like someone buys at WalMart |
| 19:59.42 | Amarande | Dagmar: no, the PiraTek stripper gets found out about by the authorities and then the next patches for everything refuse to talk to that HDCP key |
| 20:00.01 | Arrowmaster | yeah you extract the hdcp key from another device and use that |
| 20:00.05 | Amarande | and then people get up in arms against the stripper because their TVs suddenly stopped working too |
| 20:00.08 | Dagmar | Amarande: Arrowmaster++ |
| 20:00.11 | Arrowmaster | then they have to ban that device to get yours |
| 20:00.20 | Dagmar | These are _not_ effective measures for preventing piracy. |
| 20:00.21 | Dagmar | Seriously. |
| 20:00.32 | Dagmar | The only thing they do is generate licencing revenue |
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| 20:01.38 | Iriel | Dagmar: and certification fees |
| 20:01.49 | Dagmar | Pretty much |
| 20:02.03 | Amarande | probably help sell new STBs too |
| 20:02.13 | Amarande | since sooner or later a blu-ray player will stop getting updates and you'll need a new one |
| 20:02.26 | Dagmar | Oh gosh that never happens lol |
| 20:02.29 | Amarande | (or computer side, you'll have to update to the newest version of WinDVD Pro because there's no more key updates for the old one) |
| 20:02.43 | Dagmar | Companies always support their DRM forever! |
| 20:02.53 | Amarande | that might be a good thing though, look what happens to devices when there is not incentive to upgrade regularly |
| 20:03.04 | Dagmar | People start calling them "reliable"? |
| 20:03.22 | Amarande | that's why we keep hearing of "the death of the desktop computer" and you start hearing about Intel possibly releasing fewer desktop CPUs because people don't buy them enough |
| 20:03.42 | Dagmar | I blame that on blogger ignorance and link baiting |
| 20:04.41 | Amarande | well, Broadwell for desktops was up in the air for a long while |
| 20:04.59 | Amarande | as for "the death of the desktop computer" ... of course people aren't buying as many machines |
| 20:05.20 | Dagmar | Windows 8 didn't waste as much CPU power as their previous upgrades. |
| 20:05.23 | Amarande | for the normal person, a freaking Conroe is probably still good enough, and a Nehalem, to say nothing of Sandy or later, is probably overkill |
| 20:05.40 | Dagmar | ...also, it's hard to keep up bloat that can compete with Moore's Law |
| 20:05.49 | Iriel | But they are buying smart phones, and consoles, and blu ray players, and dvr's |
| 20:06.07 | Dagmar | there's a word for this type of change in buying patterns |
| 20:06.15 | Dagmar | "It's not cannibalistic" |
| 20:06.21 | Dagmar | I *think* |
| 20:06.52 | Dagmar | Sales of different platforms are up because they're no longer crap. Those sales are not biting chunks out of previous markets, they are merely _more_ sales |
| 20:06.58 | Amarande | yeah, because there are actually bounds-and-leaps upgrades coming out in smartphones and tablets still that people actually find to be perceptible |
| 20:07.01 | Dagmar | No that's definitely the wrong word. Damn |
| 20:07.15 | Dagmar | Amarande: Yeah phones in particular are getting just _sick_ |
| 20:07.29 | Amarande | meanwhile only geeks (outside of enterprise environments) really feel much of a need to upgrade anything that's not absolutely ancient or broken anymore |
| 20:07.33 | Dagmar | My thumb (all of it) is actually larger than the PCB in my phone |
| 20:07.42 | Amarande | and even geeks find it hard to justify upgrades lately, except for moving from AMD to Intel |
| 20:08.03 | Amarande | because the amount of upgrade between LGA 115x gens has been distinctly anemic |
| 20:08.31 | Amarande | Nehalem to Sandy, that was a pretty decent 11% or so I read, but Sandy to Ivy and Ivy to Haswell have barely moved the needle |
| 20:08.34 | Dagmar | ...but none of this stops bloggers who're still only having to shave once a week from writing about "the death of the desktop" |
| 20:08.58 | Iriel | I'm not actually sure they even keep writing the article |
| 20:09.03 | Amarande | and, apparently, desktop CPUs have been moving slowly enough that Intel was at least considering skipping entire generations on the desktop side |
| 20:09.15 | Iriel | they just regurgitate the same one from N years ago, plug in some more recent sales numbers, done. |
| 20:09.20 | Amarande | for a while Broadwell-D was supposed to get skipped altogether and desktop would go straight from Haswell to Skylake |
| 20:09.35 | Iriel | But that's because they have nothing new to offer, not because of some mysterious lack of demand |
| 20:09.36 | Dagmar | Why not. None of it ever involves any kind of analysis of the numbers. They just go. "Look! Numbers!" |
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| 20:09.52 | Amarande | Iriel: the demand isn't there because there isn't enough to offer, it's kind of a one hand washes the other thing |
| 20:10.04 | Amarande | like most people with Ivys or even Sandys have been holding off on upgrades |
| 20:10.14 | Amarande | because there just isn't that much OF an upgrade |
| 20:10.15 | Iriel | We weren't upgrading our PC's every year because we FELT LIKE IT |
| 20:10.20 | Iriel | we were doing it because the new ones were better |
| 20:10.31 | Dagmar | They were a *lot* better, and we were overtaxing what we had. |
| 20:10.40 | Amarande | Iriel: some folks are probably hardcore enough to upgrade every new generation of Core |
| 20:10.54 | Dagmar | ...and now you can roll up on Newegg and have a 4Ghz CPU with four cores shipped to you for under $100 practically. |
| 20:11.04 | Amarande | in fact, to a large degree, you can pretty much *only* upgrade to Ivy-E comfortably if you had Sandy-E, from what I can see anyway |
| 20:11.13 | Dagmar | While our 3Ghz machines are still running fine. |
| 20:11.35 | Amarande | Dagmar: it's not a real four core CPU and 4GHz on AMD is still pretty terribad compared to 3GHz on Intel |
| 20:11.39 | Dagmar | Amarande: This is why I like AMD. You have to worry about that stuff maybe once every 6-7 years |
| 20:11.47 | Primer | My 2 year old sandy bridge I7 still kicks ass today |
| 20:11.54 | Amarande | I have an FX-6300. It claims to be six core. It is not. |
| 20:12.08 | Amarande | "Six core" Vishera is just like Bulldozer, it's basically three cores with a hyperthreading-like mechanism :P |
| 20:12.29 | Dagmar | Intel's the one who invented that hyperthreading stuff |
| 20:12.46 | Amarande | well, "hyperthreading like" in the sense of "it has some sort of magic voodoo to use one core for two simultaneous threads" |
| 20:12.52 | Dagmar | I'm perfectly happy with my X4 Phenom as a VM host |
| 20:13.00 | Amarande | but Vishera and Bulldozer really only have half the "true" number of cores advertised |
| 20:13.55 | Amarande | I'll be moving to an i7 at some point, I think. Probably an i7-4770. |
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| 20:15.54 | Primer | wow, I just realized that my machine is approaching 3 years now. It's just one month short |
| 20:16.44 | Primer | Intel Core i7-2600 Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor (from the newegg link I saved when I bought everything on 03/30/2011) |
| 20:17.06 | Primer | Runs like a champ. I consistently am able to play 2 instances of WoW while streaming both to twitch |
| 20:17.13 | Primer | with no game lag |
| 20:17.17 | Primer | at 1920x1200 |
| 20:18.09 | Primer | while driving 3 displays |
| 20:19.12 | Amarande | I had wanted to go Intel before, but my previous attempt at Intel ran into too many hardware issues (which turned out to be that stupid ass Seagate/Samsung hard drive) |
| 20:19.26 | Amarande | so I burned through too much budget and had to settle for AMD for the time being |
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| 20:27.44 | Dagmar | OKay. Clearly nothing's changed. |
| 20:28.01 | Dagmar | AMD still doesn't give a rats ass about people who feel the need to spend more than about $300 for a CPU |
| 20:28.16 | Dagmar | ..and at the upper end of their space they're crushing Intel on price |
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| 20:37.50 | mikma | http://youtu.be/LPGVZmng0bc?t=20m10s |
| 20:46.53 | TC-Work | http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=bsd&cs=04&sku=210-ACHO 28" 4K dell monitor for ~$560 |
| 20:47.08 | Iriel | Oooooooo |
| 20:47.20 | TC-Work | You are as bad as I am Iriel |
| 20:47.29 | TC-Work | When it comes to monitors at least. |
| 20:47.35 | Iriel | I know right |
| 20:47.43 | Iriel | especially because i'm trying to figure out if 2 would fit on my desk |
| 20:47.59 | TC-Work | heh |
| 20:48.19 | TC-Work | I could fit 2, but then I would need to find a home for my 2 27" |
| 20:48.23 | Iriel | Is there a catch or is it as good as it looks? |
| 20:48.23 | TC-Work | I want to fit 3 |
| 20:48.45 | TC-Work | Not finding a catch |
| 20:49.05 | Iriel | as expected 30Hz not 60Hz but that's hardly a problem |
| 20:49.11 | TC-Work | Could have bad light bleed for all I know, but dell tends to be decent. |
| 20:49.22 | Iriel | nods, my currently 30 is a dell |
| 20:50.18 | Iriel | checks compatibility with the new mac pro |
| 20:50.27 | TC-Work | "free panel exchange in the event that you discover even one bright pixel during the 3-year Limited Hardware Warranty period." thats nice |
| 20:50.42 | Arrowmaster | damnit i can only do itemized deduction for my car last year instead of the standard deduction, theres no way i actually spent close to $10000 on my car last year |
| 20:51.32 | TC-Work | I am also impressed that the stand is big enough that the screen can go vertical |
| 20:54.35 | Arrowmaster | i should have gotten the car signed over to my name as soon as i started traveling for work |
| 20:55.09 | Iriel | Hm, i'm seeing various opinions that the color reproduction may be kind of lame due to the TN, guess i'll look for more hands-on. |
| 20:55.17 | Arrowmaster | eww TN |
| 20:55.24 | Arrowmaster | IPS or bust |
| 20:56.02 | Kraps | how do i get to SW from pandaria without hearthing |
| 20:56.31 | TC-Work | Iriel: Supposedly it won best of show at ces, but that is hardly proof of anything. |
| 20:56.58 | TC-Work | Kraps: portal? |
| 20:57.11 | Kraps | any other way? |
| 20:57.32 | TC-Work | No I mean the same portal people use to get to the island. |
| 20:57.44 | TC-Work | or are you talking about the starting area? |
| 20:58.51 | Kraps | same portal? huh i never noticed |
| 20:59.14 | Kraps | its at paw'don village? |
| 21:19.57 | TC-Work | Kraps: Wherever the starting area is, I don't remember the name. |
| 21:22.46 | Amarande | rofl "your rank is now unremarkable" |
| 21:23.03 | Amarande | also, sorry blizz, but I don't think D3 expansion is in my plan for the near future now ... this other diablo type game is much more fun :D |
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| 21:26.05 | Amarande | Welcome to Torchlight. This may be your home for the next six years possibly ... LOL |
| 21:27.19 | Torhal | You mean Torchlight II? |
| 21:27.59 | Iriel | Does that still break with > 2 players online? |
| 21:28.25 | Iriel | Because, much as it is indeed fun, it's net code was an unmitigated disaster, it's like they never tested non-lan play above 2 players |
| 21:28.40 | Amarande | Torhal: still playing the original |
| 21:28.54 | Amarande | eh, it's not like I really played D2 or D3 all that much in multiplayer |
| 21:29.03 | Torhal | Iriel: No idea, haven't played in a year. |
| 21:29.13 | Amarande | D3 I mostly solo, except when a Dark Jedi Brotherhood person is around & then I invite them to play so we can get Clusters of Fire in the DB heh |
| 21:29.19 | Iriel | Torhal: Me neither, but I didn't notice any major patches so I suspect it's still broken. |
| 21:29.24 | Torhal | :/ |
| 21:44.42 | kd3 | holy crap. benediction/anathema design specs: https://twitter.com/Abrosiabi/status/434077217534918656 |
| 21:50.10 | zenzelezz | neat |
| 21:53.15 | jleclanche | any EU player with an old frozen wow account around btw? |
| 21:53.22 | jleclanche | i need to use my scroll of rez before it gets phased out |
| 21:59.03 | Arrowmaster | buahaha i just slaughtered this first dragon in bravely default, 4 braves and a special on 3 characters |
| 21:59.46 | Arrowmaster | too bad i forgot to send any of the attacks through the summon thingy |
| 22:03.56 | Dagmar | You and practically everyone else that plays |
| 22:04.18 | Dagmar | The real question is did you remember to customize the attack name? |
| 22:04.22 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 22:04.42 | Dagmar | You can't use "Dirty", but you _can_ use names like "Scrotum Punch" and "Nipple Twistaga" |
| 22:05.03 | Dagmar | I would have actually settled for "Dirty Pool" on the first one. |
| 22:05.11 | Torhal | ...the hell game is this? |
| 22:05.16 | Dagmar | Bravely Default |
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| 22:05.32 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: 3ds game |
| 22:05.36 | Torhal | Aah |
| 22:05.44 | Dagmar | It lets you basically _store_ an especially destructive attack and send it out for your friends to summon in combat once a day |
| 22:05.51 | Dagmar | ...or a heal |
| 22:05.57 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: i dont have your friend code |
| 22:06.18 | Arrowmaster | chani sent me a heal.... |
| 22:10.48 | Dagmar | My attack should upgrade quite a bit tonight. I'm hoping to get something in the 2,000-3,000 range going |
| 22:11.25 | Arrowmaster | i had a crit stomp just do 1600 after getting upgraded by 3 specials |
| 22:11.47 | Arrowmaster | bit overkill |
| 22:11.59 | Dagmar | ...probably with Ringabel and the Angel Bow, but maybe with Agnes as a caster |
| 22:13.27 | Dagmar | I have my doubts about whether Life Steal would be as useful as it could be |
| 22:14.57 | Arrowmaster | ive got tiz doing trash healing with treat right now if i ever take damage |
| 22:15.03 | Arrowmaster | so degrading |
| 22:15.20 | Dagmar | I hate those stupid little walking acorn things |
| 22:15.33 | Arrowmaster | havent hit them yet im still on chap1 |
| 22:15.38 | Dagmar | They screw up my Unscathed bonus on a regular basis |
| 22:16.21 | Dagmar | When you get them ten times in a row the bonuses become significant |
| 22:16.34 | Dagmar | ...and those little fuckers can sometimes get the first move just because they're quick |
| 22:16.43 | Arrowmaster | damn |
| 22:16.55 | Arrowmaster | yeah ive had some long streaks already |
| 22:17.53 | Arrowmaster | only broken when something goes before edea because shes my slowest now |
| 22:18.15 | Dagmar | I feel silly that I forgot FF games are basically a little sexist |
| 22:18.42 | Arrowmaster | stat wise or because of ringabel |
| 22:18.45 | Dagmar | A complete waste of time to see if the female characters would make decent tank-types |
| 22:18.52 | Dagmar | Ringabel is awesome as a thief |
| 22:19.13 | Arrowmaster | yeah ive got him with the iron bow now |
| 22:19.23 | Arrowmaster | tiz is my monk |
| 22:19.26 | Dagmar | Get them villagers working |
| 22:20.11 | Dagmar | Most of the weapons you can get from the Adventurer (courtesy of rebuilt Norende) tend to seriously boost your damage. |
| 22:20.44 | Amarande | Dagmar: there's lots of FF games where the females are just as capable |
| 22:20.54 | Dagmar | You can get some knuckles for Tiz that are great against beasts (as well as being generally awesome) and the Angel Bow will make Ringabel into a field-sweeper |
| 22:21.13 | Dagmar | He'll hit flyers for 800 easily |
| 22:21.25 | Amarande | let's see ... 2, 3, 5, 7 (excluding Limits perhaps), 8, 10 (once you break some sphere locks), 12, at the least |
| 22:21.30 | Amarande | and of course X-2 where ALL your characters are ladies |
| 22:21.35 | Dagmar | lol |
| 22:21.59 | Dagmar | This one apparently follows the thinking that women are better casters and men are better at physical skills |
| 22:22.13 | Amarande | basically, everything except theo nes that force your characters into predetermined classes, actually |
| 22:22.30 | Amarande | so pretty much all of them except for 4 and 9, actually |
| 22:22.42 | Amarande | I'm not sure about 6, I forget how the class system worked in that one |
| 22:22.46 | Amarande | and I don't think 1 even HAD character gender |
| 22:23.13 | Dagmar | I had my doubts about Ringabel until the subject of the "Forbidden Bravo Bikini" came up. |
| 22:23.28 | znf | A SQL query goes into a bar, walks up to two tables and asks, "Can I join you?" |
| 22:26.01 | jleclanche | znf: A C programmer goes into a bar and asks for a beer. The barman starts filling his drink, all the way to the top, and t 2 f0 M: [(p1 ; .. 1-knsegmentation fault (core dumped) |
| 22:26.13 | znf | http://peterolson.github.io/jqCube/demo/demo.html |
| 22:27.25 | jleclanche | i dont have a source i just made that up :/ |
| 22:27.34 | znf | http://ux.stackexchange.com/questions/11229/is-this-rotating-cube-interface-user-friendly |
| 22:27.42 | kd3 | yeowch, a nat gas pipeline explosion in kentucky made an 60-foot deep crater |
| 22:27.49 | Amarande | FF5 may have had stats that slightly favoured the males as physical, but it was such a tiny difference as to be negligible ... it's kind of like actually worrying about the racial stat differences in wow :S |
| 22:28.42 | Dagmar | znf: Someone's trolling StackExchange? Brave soul. |
| 22:29.34 | Amarande | hm |
| 22:29.47 | Amarande | you can stay idle in torchlight single player as long as you need to, right? |
| 22:29.58 | Amarande | no mob respawns or anything nasty like that while I go shovel? :| |
| 22:30.12 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: your abilinks arent helpful |
| 22:30.24 | Amarande | (apparently, I'm in the middle of a side dungeon that doesn't let you Town Portal and I have to go finish shoveling the driveway before it's night and it ices over) |
| 22:30.40 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: pause it then let it sit |
| 22:34.58 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: You might be at about the same place in the game that I am then. My guys are mainly level 27 but their job skills are only like 6-7 yet |
| 22:35.28 | Arrowmaster | im just getting the rainbow thread |
| 22:36.03 | Dagmar | Well there's bound to be a few things showing up in orangered then |
| 22:36.13 | Dagmar | I wouldn't exactly call all of them "useful" myself tho |
| 22:36.32 | Arrowmaster | im using you to get +10%hp on agnes |
| 22:36.37 | Arrowmaster | thats about all i could do |
| 22:37.25 | Mr_Rabies | how's your power situation, kd3? |
| 22:37.31 | Mr_Rabies | just had ours out for another 9 hours or so |
| 22:37.54 | kd3 | good |
| 22:37.54 | kd3 | only blinks were yesterday afaik |
| 22:38.04 | kd3 | greystone's saying just a few meters are out in my substations |
| 22:39.16 | kd3 | ouch |
| 22:39.33 | kd3 | now if only my uplink were as stable |
| 22:39.38 | kd3 | throws something at earthlink |
| 22:39.47 | Mr_Rabies | earthlink's still around? |
| 22:39.53 | kd3 | ayup |
| 22:40.01 | Dagmar | Suprisingly, even AOL's still around. |
| 22:40.04 | Mr_Rabies | are you sure there's not a dude plugging in a flash drive and running up the street to the office every now and then? |
| 22:40.11 | Mr_Rabies | aol's way more likely to stay around than earthlink |
| 22:40.15 | kd3 | lol |
| 22:40.24 | Mr_Rabies | earthlink is pretty rinkydink, but aol was a powerhouse |
| 22:43.00 | Amarande | right now there's a lull here, so far so good |
| 22:43.17 | Dagmar | Just the fact that they take Shing seriously is a sign that AOL is sustained by a pact with the devil. |
| 22:43.21 | Amarande | hopefully I don't regret choosing the 770 over the UPS I was also pondering when I was at best buy :S |
| 22:43.36 | Dagmar | Anywhere else, one picture of the guy would drop someone's stock valuation by 10% |
| 22:43.50 | Amarande | oy. going afk from single player games should not make me nervous |
| 22:43.58 | Amarande | I think I'm too used to online games and their idle timeouts :P |
| 22:44.14 | Dagmar | http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/trending/Digital-Prophet-David-Shing-is-the-face-of-a-dying-AOL.html |
| 22:44.43 | Dagmar | Amarande: Bravely Default _makes_ you go idle |
| 22:48.53 | Amarande | Dagmar: is it one of those things like TWEWY where there's upgrades that only happen when you leave the DS turned on and idle? |
| 22:49.40 | Dagmar | There's "sleep points" that are basically "cheat turns" that only accumulate when the device is in sleep mode, and the Norende Village workers don't work unless the game is loaded |
| 22:51.31 | Amarande | ... hm, I begin to swear town portal scrolls drop more often in dungeons where you are not allowed to use town portal, go figure |
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| 23:05.38 | Kraps | Cairenn: ping |
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| 23:14.34 | Kraps | man why do i still have 232 ilvl gear in my bank |
| 23:14.54 | nevcairiel | cause you wanted to do that achievement in ulduar? |
| 23:15.18 | Kraps | i have a full set of S6 gear |
| 23:15.21 | Kraps | woopee |
| 23:21.33 | Amarande | Kraps: mog? |
| 23:21.48 | Kraps | eh? |
| 23:21.57 | Kraps | oh |
| 23:21.58 | Amarande | I kept that cool looking 264 helm from Deathwhisper for quite some time in my bank after Wrath |
| 23:22.01 | nevcairiel | he might remember if he kept those for mogging, since thats a rather new feature |
| 23:22.03 | Amarande | ... but didn't keep it long enough for mog :( |
| 23:22.06 | Kraps | not really |
| 23:22.32 | Amarande | hm |
| 23:22.49 | Amarande | why do I get a feeling that in torchlight you might actually be able to level up completely just doing random side dungeons and then breeze through practically the whole maingame like it was cake? |
| 23:23.06 | nevcairiel | there is much of a maingame in torchlight? |
| 23:23.56 | Amarande | nevcairiel, I presume it's like the first couple of Diablos |
| 23:24.10 | nevcairiel | so, other dungeons to run :p |
| 23:24.13 | Amarande | except there you actually had to progress through the acts to level past a certain point |
| 23:24.32 | Amarande | here it seems like you could do so solely through side dungeons practically from the get go |
| 23:24.36 | Amarande | especially considering the 'random dungeon' scrolls |
| 23:25.05 | Amarande | but yeah, way more fun than the diablo games :) |
| 23:34.41 | Mr_Rabies | i have almost every piece from almost every tier now |
| 23:34.45 | Mr_Rabies | other than tier 3 |
| 23:34.48 | Mr_Rabies | because i'm not that rich |
| 23:39.44 | Stanzilla | (or not playing long enough) |
| 23:41.18 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: i just sent a 5300 damage attack |
| 23:42.54 | Arrowmaster | 5380 damage hit on one of the Orthros heads, i one shotted it |
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| 23:49.56 | Amarande | hmm, I've spent too long in LOTRO I think |
| 23:56.45 | Jamash | Terraria is so good |
| 23:56.56 | Jamash | I didn't have a working PC for like a year so I'm playing catch-up |
| 23:58.23 | Jamash | when I get done bingeing on terraria I need to play a bunch of single player games that actually have definite endpoints |
| 23:58.30 | Jamash | my pile of shame is mammoth |