| 00:00.09 | Dagmar | You will either be taking those rolling upgrades in the ass, or you will have to find some way to simultaneously transition and retain 45,000 people, all at once. |
| 00:00.16 | Gnarfoz | you had to foam away before I could finish my "...for a price" line :P |
| 00:00.27 | Dagmar | THe price would _end_ most large companies |
| 00:00.36 | Gnarfoz | but |
| 00:00.39 | Dagmar | ...if it didn't have shareholders tying you to a post and setting you on fire first. |
| 00:00.45 | Gnarfoz | what do 45k employees have to do with your choice of CA. |
| 00:01.17 | Dagmar | The nitwits in charge of that think there's something fucking magical about cryptographic math, and I'm not allowed to "disappear" them. |
| 00:01.59 | Dagmar | This is why you never let non-technical people manage technical anything. |
| 00:02.25 | Dagmar | I mean, it would be easy to fix |
| 00:02.44 | Dagmar | We have datacenters with fucking 16 tons and up of environmental control built into them. |
| 00:02.59 | Dagmar | A body could dessicate right out under the raised floor in less than a year and you'd never smell a thing |
| 00:03.22 | VIad | hmm |
| 00:03.52 | VIad | costs 915$ for a certificate in norway |
| 00:03.58 | VIad | probably yearly |
| 00:04.09 | Gnarfoz | what |
| 00:04.09 | Gnarfoz | link please |
| 00:04.15 | VIad | a bit unsure as there was no exact info on that |
| 00:04.25 | Gnarfoz | sounds like you picked the most expensive one out of all of them :D |
| 00:04.26 | Dagmar | Gnarfoz: There's a lot of difference in pricing between the various registrars |
| 00:04.34 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: I'm painfully aware |
| 00:04.41 | VIad | I had to fill out some forms before they gave me the price I have to pay :P http://www.buypass.no/bedrift/produkter-og-tjenester/ssl-sertifikat/bli-buypass-ssl-partner |
| 00:04.43 | Gnarfoz | as I am that SSL cert pricing is mostly arbitrary |
| 00:05.01 | Gnarfoz | GoDaddy's domain validated wildcard ssl cert is $199 |
| 00:05.06 | Dagmar | Since literally none of the customers have a clue what's really involved, it all commes down to how shiny you can polish your particular turds |
| 00:05.27 | Gnarfoz | Thawte's is $799 AND they say you can't use it on more than one server |
| 00:05.58 | Gnarfoz | it's like: we realized we could make more money if we increase the price... so we did just that |
| 00:06.22 | Dagmar | For my personal shit, you will accept my ginned up CA *and* you will load a cert into your browser, or you will not be connecting often |
| 00:06.29 | VIad | ah btw better overview http://www.buypass.no/partner/ssl-partner/priser |
| 00:06.35 | Gnarfoz | VIad: in any case, if there's no reasonable Norwegian CAs or resellers, just get them somewhere else. There's no reason to get them from Norway |
| 00:06.47 | VIad | ok |
| 00:07.03 | VIad | but buypass makes it easier to connect your site with the banks in norway and shit |
| 00:07.05 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: reasonable enough |
| 00:07.08 | VIad | they got internal deals |
| 00:07.16 | Gnarfoz | sounds like a security nightmare |
| 00:07.21 | VIad | shrug |
| 00:07.23 | Gnarfoz | or like a data mining company |
| 00:07.24 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 00:07.26 | VIad | never opened a store :P |
| 00:07.42 | VIad | all I know is that all bank logins use the same java application backend :P |
| 00:07.57 | Dagmar | About the only thing I can say for going with a big-name cert provider is that holy crap users become completely illiterate when it comes to browser warning dialogs |
| 00:08.04 | Dagmar | They will click Accept on any damn thing that appears |
| 00:08.14 | Gnarfoz | as they have been trained to do so |
| 00:08.22 | Dagmar | So what it really comes down to is either you go with a big name that's got a CA chain in every device, or your users get MITMd |
| 00:08.26 | Gnarfoz | by warnings they don't understand |
| 00:08.27 | VIad | btw why is https://google.com/ not supplying identity info? |
| 00:08.32 | VIad | kind of defeats the purpose of ssl or? |
| 00:08.36 | Gnarfoz | VIad: no |
| 00:08.42 | Gnarfoz | and they just memorized "if I click accept, it works" |
| 00:08.46 | Dagmar | One of the nitwits I was dealing with last year kept trying to report that sommething had gone wrong with the intermediate cert chain I'd put on their server |
| 00:09.06 | Shirik | VIad: I mean, it's their own CA |
| 00:09.07 | Gnarfoz | there's no need at all to go with "the big names" - there's TONS of CAs preloaded these days |
| 00:09.13 | Dagmar | I kept saying that "No, this is impossible. I personally verified the necessary parts were present on every version of Android all the way back to 1.4". |
| 00:09.22 | Dagmar | I finally had to go out and look. |
| 00:09.27 | Dagmar | Somme asshole was trying to MITM him. |
| 00:09.32 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: android doesn't handle chain certs before 2.1 or something, IIRC? |
| 00:09.37 | Dagmar | I made netsec cancel his ID |
| 00:09.39 | Gnarfoz | the android web browser that is |
| 00:10.12 | VIad | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:10.15 | Dagmar | Gnarfoz: no, it's a matter of GeoTrust certs which are new don't jive with ancient ass keychains unless you have the browser also issue an intermediate cert chain linking the entire mess back to an Equifax cert from 2002. |
| 00:10.39 | Gnarfoz | oh, multi-path shit |
| 00:10.42 | Gnarfoz | go away please |
| 00:10.49 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 00:10.50 | Dagmar | After the big brouhaha over diginocert they switched to a different point in the chain |
| 00:11.08 | Dagmar | So I had to go through a *lot* of shit to identify what the fuck CAs were in all those keychains and find one I could link everything back to |
| 00:11.30 | Gnarfoz | they're incompetent enough to not offer you a pre-finished bundle? |
| 00:11.31 | Gnarfoz | nice |
| 00:11.40 | VIad | what is your stand on banks that ask their users to install the certificate in their OS/browser in order to get to login to their online banking site? |
| 00:11.48 | Dagmar | I was *kinda pissed* that the dude wasted my time with those silly complaints for two weeks with me saying "No, this works or the browser's complaint is legitimate and someone is trying to compromise the connection." |
| 00:11.51 | Dagmar | There are two parts to that sentence. |
| 00:11.53 | Gnarfoz | VIad: my stand is "they exist?" |
| 00:12.04 | VIad | yes! :D |
| 00:12.12 | Dagmar | VIad: I'd be very pleased with them |
| 00:12.19 | Gnarfoz | VIad: depends on how you get a hold of the certificate you're supposed to install |
| 00:12.29 | VIad | you got to get your ass to the bank and get new once :D |
| 00:12.31 | Dagmar | It's at least safer than a damn nonce cookie |
| 00:12.33 | Gnarfoz | if they give it to you over the internet, this makes NO sense at all and is fucking insecure |
| 00:12.48 | Dagmar | It authenticates that that browser their webserver is talking to is the same one it was when the first connection was established. |
| 00:12.54 | VIad | you can refresh it by getting updated one only if your current cert is not yet expired ofc. |
| 00:13.12 | Gnarfoz | VIad: wait, is this a client cert |
| 00:13.15 | VIad | yes |
| 00:13.17 | Gnarfoz | oh |
| 00:13.19 | Gnarfoz | shiny. |
| 00:13.24 | VIad | client puts cert on their client OS/browser |
| 00:13.26 | Gnarfoz | that's actually very nice, then |
| 00:13.35 | Dagmar | Gnarfoz is right about it not being worth quite as much if you got it over the internet in the first place, unless you're calling someone up and personally checking the fingerprints |
| 00:13.48 | Gnarfoz | I assumed it was about their server cert |
| 00:13.51 | Gnarfoz | apparently, it isn't |
| 00:13.52 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 00:13.55 | VIad | imagine the support calls :( |
| 00:13.59 | Dagmar | No, there's a few places that use client certs |
| 00:14.21 | Dagmar | They're at least paying very close attention to _some_ things, even if they have no idea how to keep money in a box and just leave it the fuck alone anymore |
| 00:14.52 | Gnarfoz | in any case |
| 00:15.18 | Gnarfoz | I can only recommend StartSSL (when their website is not down for "weekend maintenance"... never seen that before tonight) |
| 00:16.13 | Gnarfoz | get verified (~$60 personal, if you want organizational, another $60 since you have to do them in order, personal -> org), grab as many certs as you like for the domains you own |
| 00:16.22 | Gnarfoz | (yes, including wild cars) |
| 00:16.30 | Gnarfoz | wild cars! awesome |
| 00:16.37 | Dagmar | What I find sickening about that department I mentioned earlier, the place I was trying to refer them to was Geocert, who are a GeoTrust reseller. |
| 00:16.52 | Dagmar | So they'd actually be getting the exact same goddamn certs as before, but at half price. |
| 00:16.56 | Gnarfoz | heh |
| 00:17.02 | Gnarfoz | it's more expensive, it MUST be better |
| 00:17.12 | Dagmar | I guess that's what they're thinking. |
| 00:17.16 | Primer | wait, I just get my certs directly from geotrust |
| 00:17.20 | Primer | you mean I'm paying more? |
| 00:17.30 | Gnarfoz | very likely in any case |
| 00:17.32 | Dagmar | ...but mainly I suspect what they're thinking is that right now, they can't blamed for the decision that's in place. |
| 00:17.39 | Dagmar | Primer: https://www.geocerts.com/ |
| 00:17.41 | Primer | even for rapidSSL wildcard? |
| 00:18.00 | Gnarfoz | Primer: http://www.sslshopper.com/best-ssl-wildcard-certificate.html |
| 00:18.03 | Primer | if that's all they have, then $446 > $199 |
| 00:18.10 | Gnarfoz | yeah |
| 00:18.14 | Dagmar | If they _changed_ what is being done, and anything went wrong, someone _could_ blame them, and they're all about avoiding blame here. |
| 00:18.15 | Gnarfoz | the price span is insane |
| 00:18.26 | Primer | geotrust rapidSSL wildcard is $199 |
| 00:18.27 | Dagmar | I'm personally about avoiding blame by _never being fucking wrong_ |
| 00:18.27 | Gnarfoz | assuming you're not paying too much is folly |
| 00:18.33 | Dagmar | I find it's more functional. |
| 00:19.05 | VIad | (I have the holy nova glyph but I have not holy nova in my book!) |
| 00:19.35 | Dagmar | Primer: I take it that RapidSSL is another reseller |
| 00:19.40 | Gnarfoz | VIad: re earlier: the google.com cert says it's for google.com -- and that's the part that's being checked |
| 00:19.46 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: no, it's product name |
| 00:20.00 | Gnarfoz | +a |
| 00:20.03 | Dagmar | Really because I'm lookign at Geotrust right now saying $499 for a wildcard cert |
| 00:20.15 | Primer | Dagmar: no, that's a geotrust product name |
| 00:20.39 | Primer | Dagmar: I have a URL saved for it. I can never find it via their web site. sec... |
| 00:20.48 | Dagmar | All I can see on their site is http://www.geotrust.com/ssl/wildcard-ssl-certificates/ |
| 00:20.56 | VIad | http://ss.bool.no/capture_1390609237.jpeg |
| 00:21.11 | Primer | https://products.geotrust.com/orders/rapidsslw.do?ref=freessl |
| 00:21.16 | VIad | but it does supply owner information :< |
| 00:21.21 | Primer | $199 a year |
| 00:22.01 | Gnarfoz | https://www.thesslstore.com/rapidssl/rapidssl-wildcard.aspx rapidssl wildcard for $149/1yr |
| 00:22.15 | Shirik | http://nerdapproved.com/movies/disney-heroines-as-sailor-moon-characters/#!tdzwN |
| 00:22.17 | Gnarfoz | it's the same. fucking. cert. |
| 00:22.20 | Dagmar | Primer: Thanks. I'll be sure to rub someone's nose in that the next time I see them. |
| 00:22.31 | Dagmar | More reasons for my old boss to be f-i-r-e-d. |
| 00:22.51 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: apply additional pressure, since $199 isn't even the cheapest you can get them at, apparently :D |
| 00:22.52 | VIad | Gnarfoz: but the browser acts like it's unsafe while it's safe :P |
| 00:22.56 | Gnarfoz | VIad: what? |
| 00:23.05 | Dagmar | Gnarfoz: Oh yeah I know |
| 00:23.15 | Gnarfoz | VIad: is the lock symbol green in your url bar |
| 00:23.19 | VIad | no |
| 00:23.21 | Dagmar | What I *might* do is start doing presentations at the office using my own webserver at home |
| 00:23.22 | Primer | Gnarfoz: dammit, I was telling my boss that I was positive the first wildcard I bought from them was $149 |
| 00:23.22 | VIad | it's a "!" |
| 00:23.35 | Dagmar | ...and just casually show off the wildcard cert. |
| 00:23.36 | Gnarfoz | VIad: that's the "mixed content" warning, not something wrong with the cert. |
| 00:23.37 | Primer | but it was through geotrust.com. They must have just jacked up the price |
| 00:24.00 | Gnarfoz | Primer: entirely plausible |
| 00:24.02 | Dagmar | Primmer: It may have been |
| 00:24.08 | Dagmar | THis shit isn't even computationally expensive |
| 00:24.22 | Primer | heh, I have my own CA for our development enviroment |
| 00:24.28 | Gnarfoz | VIad: see the text "Technical Details"? that explains where teh ! is coming from, because not ALL content on the page you were visiting was transmitted over SSL |
| 00:24.32 | Dagmar | You could do the work necessary to generate such a cert in about 15 seconds flat on a fucking Raspberry Pi running off of goddamn potatoes |
| 00:24.35 | Primer | if I need a new cert, I run a script. Takes 2 seconds |
| 00:24.47 | Primer | since the conf has all the info filled out. All I need to do is type the CN |
| 00:25.09 | VIad | but it will confuze newbies as they know it's green when it's good, anything else must mean bad :P |
| 00:25.11 | Gnarfoz | VIad: has nothing to do with Google's cert not being "EV" |
| 00:25.15 | Gnarfoz | VIad: and that's accurate |
| 00:25.29 | Dagmar | The non-https thing is actually something ot pay close attention to |
| 00:25.48 | Gnarfoz | VIad: I don't have a mixed content warning on https://www.google.com/ -- not sure how you got one? |
| 00:25.54 | Dagmar | There's nothing really stopping that http object from going and fucking with the content in the main, supposedly secure frame |
| 00:26.19 | Dagmar | Gnarfoz: Probablhy just install some of those fancy cursors |
| 00:26.23 | Primer | So...I really want to get a new video card, and I'm debating how much more performance I'll get from the number of CUDA cores in the 7xx series of Nvidia cards (I will never ever buy ATI/AMD) |
| 00:26.24 | Dagmar | Maybbe a toolbar or wto |
| 00:26.30 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: or 5 |
| 00:26.30 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 00:26.31 | VIad | haha :D |
| 00:26.34 | Dagmar | heh |
| 00:26.38 | Gnarfoz | is your homepage "ask.com" |
| 00:27.10 | Primer | I'm currently looking at the 780 GTX, which has 2304 CUDA cores, but is $500 |
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| 00:27.41 | Dagmar | Check some of the gaming benchmark sites, unless you're actually trying to do physicsa. |
| 00:27.43 | Dagmar | er physics. |
| 00:27.47 | Dagmar | in which case, MOAR CORES |
| 00:28.22 | Dagmar | The ACCRE guys tell me those things are actually the hotness they claim to be |
| 00:28.33 | Primer | vs the 770 which has 1536 and is $320, vs. the 760 which has 1152 and is $250 |
| 00:29.00 | Dagmar | ...and I'm still suprised they didn't completely vaporize the circuits going to the racks where they've got 40 of those fucking cards chewing up numbers |
| 00:29.04 | Primer | well, aren't cores proportional to polygons per second too? |
| 00:29.09 | Gnarfoz | not necessarily. |
| 00:29.13 | Gnarfoz | that's ROPs |
| 00:29.14 | jleclanche | oh man |
| 00:29.19 | Dagmar | There's a point at which your own damn CPU becomes a bottleneck, all over again |
| 00:29.25 | jleclanche | turn 3 victories as priest are awesome. |
| 00:29.35 | jleclanche | turn 4 technically but the guy couldnt win in turn 3 |
| 00:29.46 | Primer | I do play a mix of GPU vs. CPU bound games though |
| 00:29.54 | Dagmar | Waid, did they add go karts to fight club? |
| 00:30.04 | Dagmar | Oh Hearthstone |
| 00:30.11 | jleclanche | t1 lightwarden+pwshield, t2 divine spirit, t3 divine spirit + inner fire. 14/14 on the field, opponent at 16 health |
| 00:30.20 | jleclanche | next turn: heal the lightwarden and got a 16/14 on the field |
| 00:30.36 | Gnarfoz | Primer: polys per second is a weird dimension to measure that in, but those also depend on ROP units; shader cores only do so much for games that don't really use them |
| 00:30.39 | Primer | I was hoping someone here had done some research regarding best bang for the buck video cards recently, and could offer me an opinion |
| 00:31.07 | Dagmar | I'd hit up the hardware sites like Tom's and so forth |
| 00:31.16 | Gnarfoz | Primer: you're probably really better off with some hardware review sites; people in here tend to have highly specialized (and thus, biased) views about such things |
| 00:32.08 | Gnarfoz | e.g. "doesn't work well on linux", "is good for compute", "sucks for mining the crypto currency of the week", blergh =) |
| 00:32.16 | Primer | I suppose. I've always favors personal opinions though. |
| 00:32.27 | Primer | Well, Linux is definitely a factor, but simply sticking with Nvidia solves that |
| 00:32.31 | Gnarfoz | hardware reviewers are not people? |
| 00:32.31 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 00:32.54 | Primer | They may have agendas. |
| 00:33.00 | Gnarfoz | uhh |
| 00:33.11 | Dagmar | I prefer the ones where they go "WE WASTE SO MUCH MONEY YOU'LL LOL. Here are ten games where we ran demos and measured FPS on these fifteen cards" |
| 00:33.14 | Primer | and yes, "people" surely have them too |
| 00:33.32 | Dagmar | Some asshole living in a basement talking about dogecoins doesn't count as a reviewr |
| 00:33.46 | Gnarfoz | and 1 person who probably owns 1 card per 4 years is a safer bet for good advice than people who review dozens of cards a year and can compare them to each other? :\ |
| 00:33.58 | Primer | heh |
| 00:34.06 | Primer | http://www.gamespot.com/articles/nvidia-gtx-700-series-is-it-worth-it/1100-6411148/ starting here |
| 00:34.15 | Dagmar | Can't hurt. |
| 00:34.24 | Dagmar | Keep your eyes peeled for the magical word: "roundup" |
| 00:35.12 | Gnarfoz | good point |
| 00:35.15 | Gnarfoz | saves a lot of reading time |
| 00:37.31 | Primer | heh, the benchmarks on that page use the same MB I have |
| 00:38.13 | Primer | So this is saying what I somewhat deduced myself, that the 770 right now is the "best bang for the buck" |
| 00:39.31 | VIad | my realm went offline :D |
| 00:39.42 | VIad | not often that happens on a saturday 01:40 in the night |
| 00:40.36 | Primer | The one thing I'm not liking about the models themselves is the fact that one output is a Displayport |
| 00:40.41 | Primer | I have nothing that uses that |
| 00:40.44 | VIad | http://ss.bool.no/capture_1390610425.jpeg :D |
| 00:40.48 | Primer | and I actually plan to connect 4 displays |
| 00:41.43 | VIad | people say that US realms went down too :P |
| 00:41.47 | Primer | right now I'm using a 570 and a Matrox TripleHead2Go device to split one of the outputs to 2 displays |
| 00:42.50 | Primer | VIad: I can type my login info, but the client is stalled on "connecting" |
| 00:42.52 | TC-Work | Primer: use an adapter? Note that the 4th display can not be used for graphics acceleration. |
| 00:43.05 | VIad | Primer: servers are unstable :D |
| 00:43.05 | Primer | TC-Work: hrmm? |
| 00:43.15 | TC-Work | Primer: which part? |
| 00:43.18 | Primer | I have 4 displays connected at work |
| 00:43.22 | VIad | wait... just opened my netflix and saw |
| 00:43.41 | Primer | all 4 work independently |
| 00:43.52 | Gnarfoz | you said something about never buying amd |
| 00:43.53 | VIad | "A netflix documentary: MITT; The real Mitt Romney is revealed ..." :P |
| 00:43.55 | Primer | TC-Work: http://www.ceregatti.org/desk.jpg |
| 00:43.58 | TC-Work | Primer: My point is that while you can connect 4 displays you could only run a game on three at any one time. |
| 00:44.08 | Gnarfoz | TC-Work: ...with nvidia, that is |
| 00:44.27 | TC-Work | Gnarfoz: we were talking about the 770....so yea.... |
| 00:44.40 | TC-Work | Primer: Damn your desk is clean. |
| 00:44.51 | Gnarfoz | he didn't even know he was going to get a 770 until 5 minutes ago, so, yeah. |
| 00:44.55 | Primer | I am fastidious |
| 00:45.03 | Primer | that one's on a 650 |
| 00:45.07 | Primer | since my work is cheap |
| 00:45.48 | Primer | but at home I only actually have 3 displays on my desk, but I have a 25' HDMI cable the runs from my machine under the house to the TV in the room |
| 00:46.02 | Primer | I'd only really ever power one display for games though |
| 00:46.31 | Primer | since I have a 27"@1920x1200 in between 2x19"@1280x1024 |
| 00:47.11 | Primer | The only thing that top monitor does on my desk at work is tail production logs :) |
| 00:47.29 | Primer | I have those windows pinned to the desktop so when I switch virtual desktops, they remain in place |
| 00:47.41 | Primer | that's openbox on Mint 15 in case anyone was curious |
| 00:48.29 | Primer | no gnome or KDE or any other crappy DM...just openbox |
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| 00:55.51 | TC-Work | That would be my desk at work |
| 00:56.04 | TC-Work | Nowhere near as clean. |
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| 00:58.02 | kd3 | emails out |
| 00:58.13 | Semlar | is the ptr online |
| 00:58.25 | kd3 | it should be back up soon if it isn't already |
| 00:59.00 | kd3 | 57207169 |
| 00:59.03 | Gnarfoz | emails in |
| 00:59.11 | kd3 | ah, no, that's not wow |
| 00:59.14 | Gnarfoz | also, kd3's authenticator code out |
| 00:59.18 | Semlar | quick! |
| 00:59.31 | kd3 | huh, they added the shop window to character select |
| 00:59.44 | Semlar | and yet still no chat |
| 00:59.44 | kd3 | (realms are up, obviously) |
| 01:04.03 | kd3 | patch notes from the launcher - http://wowpedia.org/Patch_5.4.7 |
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| 01:06.30 | Semlar | i feel like they skipped some numbers |
| 01:06.52 | Ressy | login servers down or osmething? |
| 01:06.54 | Ressy | Can't log in |
| 01:09.10 | Gethe | Frame XML Diff https://github.com/Gethe/wow-ui-source/commit/d70f1758fe83be0b1a1e41024d99a56829e5afdd |
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| 02:03.28 | Semlar | raven lord mount? |
| 02:03.43 | Gethe | yup this one can fly |
| 02:03.53 | Semlar | impossible! |
| 02:03.57 | Gethe | http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/3718-Patch-5-4-7-PTR-Build-17807 |
| 02:05.04 | Gethe | likely the in game bonus for CE and deluxe |
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| 02:15.41 | Gethe | i wish the ptr would let me login |
| 02:59.01 | Neffi | http://www.wowhead.com/news=227242 |
| 02:59.15 | Neffi | does it bother anyone else that the wingspan of many flying mounts makes no sense whatsoever? |
| 03:00.31 | Gethe | i've long gotten over it |
| 03:00.55 | Neffi | It bothers me again every time I have to whip out my Obsdiain Nightwing |
| 03:01.11 | Neffi | Because that mount is just so far out of the realm of possibility, way beyond all the rest, that's it's too obvious |
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| 04:33.53 | reno | hallo |
| 04:34.10 | reno | Only WoW Gamer ? |
| 04:35.11 | Cairenn | Primarily |
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| 04:47.51 | Semlar | magic neffi |
| 04:53.33 | Neffi | no semlar |
| 04:54.43 | Neffi | Shooting fireballs is magic. Levitating using the priest spell is magic. But the motion of the mounts and their wings suggest that it's mechanical in nature. |
| 05:02.10 | Neffi | I'm totally reading too much into this https://sites.google.com/site/anthonysgurps/dragon-physics |
| 05:03.32 | Neffi | As you might imagine, the problems with hypothetical dragon flight are substantial and varied |
| 05:06.15 | Semlar | MAGIC |
| 05:06.17 | Semlar | NEFFI |
| 05:07.23 | Neffi | Maybe. |
| 05:07.35 | Neffi | I don't want to rule out the possibilities so quickly |
| 05:08.25 | Neffi | I mean, I want to make a fantasy game, but I dont want it to just use magic to explain everything. I would like to have a practical model for a dragon, even if it's not identical to typical Western dragons from the genre |
| 05:09.30 | Semlar | it's a magical creature |
| 05:10.07 | Neffi | The definition for "magic" is woefully vague |
| 05:10.17 | kd3|hate`net | a wizard did it |
| 05:10.28 | Neffi | I haven't given up that I can ground that definition in something even remotely practical |
| 05:10.41 | Semlar | I CAN THINK OF NOTHING HEAVIER THAN AN AIRPLANE |
| 05:10.54 | Semlar | NO WINGS MORE WEIGHTED |
| 05:11.13 | Semlar | i can think of nothing less likely to fly |
| 05:11.27 | Neffi | Besides I imagine stories of dragons as being great exaggerations. That really they are some of the larget and mightiest predatory birds, and not the lizard-like creatures in other stories |
| 05:12.02 | Neffi | Or something else that is actually workable without requiring a magical element at all |
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| 05:50.43 | Primer | odd, my SW:D weak aura stopped working |
| 05:51.55 | Primer | or not |
| 06:06.56 | Primer | hrmm, it seems there's no way to make a weak aura trigger for (target status OR mouseover status) AND other condition |
| 06:09.24 | Primer | looks like it involved code |
| 06:10.32 | Primer | involves, even |
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| 06:27.27 | Primer | Anyone know of an effective way to know if I have a hostile mouseover? |
| 06:28.01 | Primer | in code, not macro |
| 06:28.28 | Neffi | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:28.39 | Primer | lovely, thanks |
| 06:28.51 | Neffi | There are other ways to do it. Faction relations come into play when using differne tmethods |
| 06:29.08 | Primer | I'm trying to make a weak aura that can tell me if I can cast SW:D on my target or mouseover, since SW:D is also a mouseover macro |
| 06:29.14 | Neffi | eg, you mgith be able to attack your mouseover, but maybe it can't attack you, because it's an NPC and you're "at war" with his faction |
| 06:29.18 | Primer | this will be for both pve and pvp |
| 06:29.37 | Neffi | then what I just gave you will work, because it checks if you can attack, not if they can |
| 06:30.02 | Neffi | Oh, this also works... |
| 06:31.09 | Neffi | local valid, target = SecureCmdOptionParse("[@mouseover,harm,nodead] [@target,harm,nodead] true"); if valid == 'true' then --[[ use target ]] end |
| 06:31.19 | Neffi | The check to valid might not be necessary, just use target |
| 06:33.10 | Primer | you lost me |
| 06:33.59 | Neffi | SecureCmdOptionParse is what the macro system uses for conditionals, so you can use it to evaluate conditionals on your behalf too |
| 06:34.16 | Neffi | Instead of checking all the APIs yourself, just feed some macro syntax into SecureCmdOptionParse |
| 06:34.27 | Primer | yes, that much seemed obvious |
| 06:34.32 | Primer | it was the last part where you lost me |
| 06:34.37 | Primer | (10:31:07 PM) Neffi: The check to valid might not be necessary, just use target |
| 06:35.35 | Primer | ok, the call returns the unit |
| 06:35.39 | Primer | so I get it now |
| 06:35.40 | Neffi | The function returns whatever text the bracket evaluation chose (in this case "true") and the target from that condition. I was checking valid=="true" to see if it chose my "true" in the macro syntax. That's not necessary, since if it evaluated correctly, then the 2nd return (target) will contain something |
| 06:37.55 | Primer | just rolling this into WA now |
| 06:38.00 | Primer | doesn't seem to work |
| 06:39.09 | Primer | oh, there's an error |
| 06:40.01 | Primer | nice, it works |
| 06:40.27 | Primer | it's really nice that they finally added a target dummy at 20% |
| 06:40.44 | Primer | I know it's been around for a while, but I recall there was a time when all target dummies had 100% health |
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| 06:43.33 | Neffi | They added a target dummy @ 20% health? |
| 06:43.49 | Primer | there's one in shrine |
| 06:44.09 | Primer | it doesn't start at 20%. It has 5HP but you can bring it down to 1HP |
| 06:45.39 | Neffi | that's some pretty serious dps right there |
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| 08:00.15 | Primer | is there any way to make lucky charms on players bigger? |
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| 08:06.44 | Neffi | Primer: Raid icons? If the nameplate is shown, then they're part of the nameplate, so yes. If not I think they're part of the 3D world, so no |
| 08:09.26 | Primer | if I alt z they go away |
| 08:10.12 | Primer | I presume that's what you meant |
| 08:11.57 | Neffi | If they go away on alt-Z, then they can most likely be made bigger |
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| 08:48.17 | karl_w_w | shirik I'm watching your stream and you're really bad at denying :P |
| 08:59.00 | Primer | this fucking sucks. If I join an already-running bg, PB doesn't fill out raid frames |
| 08:59.06 | Primer | I have to /rl |
| 09:01.21 | Shirik | karl_w_w: yeah it's as if every time I try to attack their minions, it does no damage |
| 09:01.24 | Shirik | so bad |
| 09:01.45 | Shirik | on a more serious note, I never jungle |
| 09:07.15 | Fisker | I will hey Shirik you |
| 09:07.35 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 09:07.43 | Fisker | hell to the o |
| 09:07.56 | Shirik | you should watch my stream |
| 09:07.59 | Shirik | I will blow kisses |
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| 09:11.16 | Fisker | what stream? |
| 09:11.19 | Fisker | happy birthday btw Shirik |
| 09:11.25 | Shirik | many tys |
| 09:11.35 | Shirik | also http://www.twitch.tv/shirikii |
| 09:12.43 | nevcairiel | you play a popstar cat? really? :p |
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| 09:20.35 | karl_w_w | what comic is league of legends based on? |
| 09:20.48 | Fisker | shirikii? |
| 09:20.49 | Fisker | weabo |
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| 09:23.20 | Fisker | rips his shirt in half |
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| 09:56.45 | Shirik | nevcairiel: hell yes |
| 09:56.49 | Shirik | who wouldn't |
| 09:57.20 | Shirik | that was the greatest skin to be created, ever |
| 09:57.40 | Shirik | (also, for the record, she's a fox, not a cat) |
| 10:01.17 | Fisker | who? |
| 10:02.38 | Shirik | ahri |
| 10:02.49 | Shirik | [01:18:46] <nevcairiel> you play a popstar cat? really? :p |
| 10:03.47 | Fisker | ok |
| 10:03.56 | Fisker | go to sleep? |
| 10:05.01 | Shirik | yes sleep time |
| 10:05.41 | Fisker | good |
| 10:05.42 | Fisker | night |
| 10:05.51 | Fisker | sleep well sweet prince |
| 10:09.11 | karl_w_w | how is it nobody has made a tool that automates editing subtitles in an mkv container? |
| 10:11.26 | nevcairiel | you cant edit subtitles while they are inside a container, if you want to edit them, you need to remux the file with the edited subtitles :p |
| 10:13.05 | karl_w_w | exactly |
| 10:13.11 | karl_w_w | and no tool has automated that |
| 10:13.36 | nevcairiel | because its stupid slow |
| 10:14.02 | karl_w_w | which is why automation |
| 10:14.11 | nevcairiel | why would you mux it anyway before checking if its correct |
| 10:14.56 | karl_w_w | i wouldnt |
| 10:15.07 | karl_w_w | i have never added subtitles to a thing in my life |
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| 10:16.46 | Shirik | I like google's incident response team |
| 10:16.49 | Shirik | "Gmail service has already been restored for some users, and we expect a resolution for all users in the near future. Please note this time frame is an estimate and may change." |
| 10:16.56 | Shirik | They qualify "near future" with "this is an estimate" |
| 10:18.07 | karl_w_w | hah |
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| 10:42.34 | rot | hello |
| 10:42.53 | rot | could someone direct me in creating a "pulsing" fontstring? |
| 10:43.16 | rot | like a fontstring, changing his color continuosly, from white to black and back |
| 10:43.24 | rot | its* |
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| 10:59.33 | Maldivia | use a white font, and then on the font string use SetVertexColor ? |
| 11:05.22 | Maldivia | rot: something like :SetScript("OnUpdate", function(this) local t = math.abs(1 - (GetTime() % 2)); this:SetVertexColor(t, t, t); end) |
| 11:05.44 | rot | mmmh |
| 11:05.50 | rot | I might try that |
| 11:09.23 | Maldivia | the above should create a grapf like /\/\/\ -- if you the pulse softer, considering using sine |
| 11:10.14 | rot | that would fine :) |
| 11:11.54 | Maldivia | (ie. local t = math.sin(GetTime()) |
| 11:16.04 | Maldivia | yeah ok, more like (math.sin(GetTime()) + 1) / 2 |
| 11:16.13 | Maldivia | since you don't want the negative numbers :) |
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| 11:22.11 | rot | it works wonder! |
| 11:22.27 | rot | thank you!!! |
| 11:23.42 | rot | the linear one is more visible tho |
| 11:26.57 | Maldivia | ok |
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| 11:27.55 | Maldivia | glad to help :) |
| 11:28.32 | rot | that was exactly what I was looking for :) |
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| 11:36.00 | Icicle | Morning everyone |
| 11:43.06 | tissle | I have a texture, MyButton1Icon, which ive put a texture on, then used SetAttribute on it - if i try to change icon after using SetTexture, it wont apply, even though i grab the icon path from GetSpellInfo() - anyone knows why it doesnt work? |
| 11:43.13 | tissle | hi :) |
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| 11:49.12 | Icicle | see if your code block is even being executed |
| 11:49.13 | Icicle | ChatFrame1:AddMessage('Your player is a : ' .. lowerClass .. '.'); |
| 11:49.16 | Icicle | add something like this |
| 11:49.21 | Icicle | to make sure |
| 11:49.45 | Icicle | Bugsack helps too for error tracking |
| 11:50.17 | Icicle | change lowerClass to something else :) |
| 11:51.28 | tissle | it does, i have a print before and after that returns the GetTexture(), which is the same as GetSpellInfo icon part |
| 11:55.49 | Icicle | hmm |
| 11:56.21 | Icicle | show code ? :) |
| 12:00.40 | tissle | ill try to write up the essentials on pastebin |
| 12:08.18 | tissle | tried to remove some stuff, but i think i might need to include some other functions as im using my own. but lets see : http://pastebin.com/Szx9wc9c |
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| 12:31.46 | Icicle | not sure, try adding a false after the icon0 in SetTexture, shouldnt required, but couldnt hurt. (determines tile or not) |
| 12:40.13 | tissle | allright, trting |
| 12:40.20 | Semlar | what is _G["_StanceButton"..i.."Icon"] |
| 12:41.26 | Semlar | nevermind |
| 12:41.26 | tissle | global, to get the buttons name |
| 12:41.45 | Semlar | you know the button has a built in texture you can use |
| 12:41.49 | Semlar | you don't have to create your own |
| 12:42.04 | tissle | i did not |
| 12:42.13 | Semlar | you can use button:SetNormalTexture(texturePath) |
| 12:42.40 | Semlar | or if you need to access the texture directly for you can use button:GetTexture() to get its texture object |
| 12:42.50 | Semlar | -for |
| 12:43.43 | Semlar | er it's actually button:GetNormalTexture() if you need the object |
| 12:43.56 | Semlar | you can see its methods here http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Button/ |
| 12:44.26 | Semlar | also in your code you're leaking a lot of globals |
| 12:44.38 | tissle | the code is rubbish, indeed |
| 12:45.04 | Semlar | put "local" in front of any variables you're defining, generally |
| 12:45.11 | tissle | yes, i do |
| 12:45.18 | tissle | but the reason as why im not doing that for button |
| 12:45.36 | tissle | is cause i couldnt figure out how to reference it in buttonX:Dothis() |
| 12:45.40 | tissle | before i was told of _G |
| 12:45.44 | tissle | so its kinda stuck :) |
| 12:47.03 | Semlar | yeah alright, just make sure you clean it up because it can lead to some unexpected problems down the line |
| 12:47.28 | tissle | will do |
| 12:47.39 | tissle | and that SetNormalTexture did the trick |
| 12:47.44 | tissle | though i changed it to Pushed :) |
| 12:48.06 | Semlar | i think pushed only gets displayed while the button is being pressed |
| 12:48.14 | tissle | u can lock it in pushed |
| 12:48.20 | tissle | button:SetButtonState("PUSHED",1) |
| 12:49.10 | Semlar | i'm also pretty sure you don't have to actually call RegisterForClicks on that button |
| 12:49.15 | Semlar | it should just work |
| 12:49.52 | tissle | will check it out |
| 12:49.53 | Semlar | although i guess if you want to EXPLICITLY only work on release you could do that |
| 12:50.16 | Semlar | i'm not sure what it is by default |
| 12:50.45 | tissle | without any up it doesnt seem to register mouselick2 |
| 12:51.20 | tissle | atleast not in my current SetAttribute() |
| 12:51.21 | Semlar | RightButton? |
| 12:51.44 | Semlar | do you only want it to fire for the right click? |
| 12:51.52 | tissle | no |
| 12:52.01 | tissle | my SetAttribute is setup to cast on m1, cancel on m2 |
| 13:05.38 | tissle | Thank you for helping me finally get this working! |
| 13:06.35 | tissle | a general question: how can i create a "container" button, like Blizzard has done for f.x Fire Totems? |
| 13:15.22 | Neffi_ | tissle: Where when you push it, its children show? |
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| 13:17.01 | Semlar | flyout button |
| 13:17.07 | Neffi_ | 1 "parent" button then N "children" button. The parent's OnClick should use http://wowpedia.org/SecureHandlers to toggle showing/hiding the "children", which use :SetAttribute to have a spell, action ID, etc |
| 13:17.16 | Semlar | i'm sure there's a template for it |
| 13:17.34 | Neffi_ | SecureHandlerClickTemplate |
| 13:17.54 | tissle | cool, thanks! |
| 13:18.05 | Neffi_ | Sorry, it's not using the parent's "OnClick", but rather its _onclick |
| 13:18.08 | Neffi_ | See the page I linked |
| 13:18.13 | Semlar | https://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source/blob/live/FrameXML/SpellFlyout.xml |
| 13:19.48 | Neffi_ | or yeah, you can use that template that I didnt know existed |
| 13:21.04 | Neffi_ | I literally just woke up, but looking over that code isn't promising |
| 13:21.51 | Semlar | flyout is one of the action types for SecureActionButtonTemplate so |
| 13:22.16 | Semlar | you definitely don't need to create the thing from scratch |
| 13:24.42 | Semlar | i'm not actually sure the interface doesn't just use one flyout button for everything |
| 13:28.54 | Semlar | and.. you.. can't use it.. |
| 13:29.43 | Semlar | why would they do that |
| 13:29.49 | Semlar | NEFFI |
| 13:33.55 | tissle | neffi: my code? |
| 13:34.01 | tissle | or you talking the SecureHandler now?= :) |
| 13:34.18 | Neffi_ | I was talking about SpellFlyout |
| 13:34.28 | Neffi_ | I didnt see any secure way to initialize it |
| 13:34.45 | Neffi_ | But I'm also very tired and can barely see, so you should probably listen to Semlar |
| 13:34.55 | tissle | heh |
| 13:36.53 | Semlar | well i just woke up |
| 13:37.20 | Icicle | pats Semlar on the head |
| 13:37.33 | Semlar | bites Icicle |
| 13:37.45 | Neffi_ | yeah he's not good around people |
| 13:37.51 | Icicle | runs around trying to shake Semlar off |
| 13:38.02 | Semlar | i'm not domesticated |
| 13:38.10 | Neffi_ | ~lart Semlar |
| 13:38.10 | purl | tries to shut Semlar up |
| 13:38.13 | Icicle | so ive got rabies now? |
| 13:38.14 | Neffi_ | stay, boy |
| 13:38.24 | Semlar | no i don't think rabies is here |
| 13:39.19 | Semlar | ~seen mr_rabies |
| 13:39.23 | purl | mr_rabies is currently on #wowhead #wowuidev. Has said a total of 84 messages. Is idling for 1d 5h 17m 35s, last said: 'throwing out outliers, etc'. |
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| 13:42.15 | Semlar | 23 skidoo! |
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| 13:51.56 | Sintacks | ~seen ajiosjdg |
| 13:51.57 | purl | Sintacks: i haven't seen 'ajiosjdg' |
| 13:53.24 | Sintacks | ~seen my own penis |
| 13:53.25 | purl | i haven't seen 'my own penis', Sintacks |
| 13:53.39 | nevcairiel | thats because purl is a girl |
| 13:53.57 | Sintacks | pics or no proof |
| 13:54.01 | Icicle | who twirls |
| 13:54.03 | Icicle | with curls |
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| 14:14.05 | tissle | this feels silly, but: how do i add text to the end of a variable? local a = a <string> didnt work... |
| 14:15.05 | Neffi | a = a.."string" |
| 14:15.22 | Neffi | or see string.format |
| 14:15.45 | tissle | ah... yes... the ".." thinige |
| 14:16.26 | Neffi | concatenation operator |
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| 14:45.48 | Semlar | neffi this is driving me insane, how is it that "Interface\\AddOns\\etc" works as a path and [[Interface\AddOns\etc]] doesn't |
| 14:46.02 | Semlar | it should literally be the same string |
| 14:47.25 | Neffi | It is |
| 14:47.39 | Neffi | you sure your path is correct? |
| 14:48.00 | Semlar | i'm helping someone with an addon that is loading sound files from their folder |
| 14:48.19 | Semlar | the ONLY path that works is when it's in the format "Interface\\AddOns\\etc" |
| 14:48.56 | Semlar | and yes the path is exactly the same |
| 14:49.03 | Semlar | there are no typos |
| 14:49.20 | Neffi | assert("thisform" == [[thisform]]) to make sure there's no typo |
| 14:49.43 | Semlar | i literally copied the string and just took out every other backslash |
| 14:49.48 | Semlar | it's the same string |
| 14:50.21 | Neffi | I dunno then |
| 14:50.31 | Neffi | I'll test it after this dungeon |
| 14:50.46 | jleclanche | http://coderofworlds.com/before-buying-a-laptop-check-if-it-has-nvidia-optimus-its-purpose-is-infuriate-you/ |
| 14:50.50 | jleclanche | YEAR OF THE WINDOWS DESKTOP!!1 |
| 14:51.50 | Neffi | lol yeah right |
| 14:51.55 | Neffi | good luck with your closed sores |
| 14:52.00 | Neffi | oh wait |
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| 14:58.19 | Neffi | Semlar: works for me |
| 14:59.35 | Neffi | Semlar: http://i.imgur.com/5tSK8Oq.png |
| 15:00.17 | Semlar | it's a path to a sound file |
| 15:00.30 | Neffi | that shouldn't matter |
| 15:00.38 | Semlar | believe it or not it does |
| 15:00.53 | Semlar | i had to use backslashes to load a font file from my hard drive |
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| 15:01.09 | Semlar | you can't use forward slashes, even though it doesn't matter anywhere else |
| 15:01.30 | Neffi | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:01.33 | Neffi | --> true |
| 15:02.54 | Neffi | I mean unless the game scans your code for path strings for certain file types, and fails on [[]] strings. But i really doubt it. |
| 15:03.03 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:03.58 | Semlar | don't bloody well ask me, i can't test it first hand |
| 15:05.31 | Neffi | there's gotta be something we're both missing |
| 15:08.47 | Semlar | i don't know, it works with my mp3 |
| 15:09.00 | Neffi | Blizzard hates Vorbis? |
| 15:09.05 | Semlar | i obviously can't test it with his setup |
| 15:09.09 | Neffi | I dont know. Just use \\ I guess |
| 15:10.04 | bluspacecow | nah |
| 15:10.06 | bluspacecow | use |
| 15:10.08 | bluspacecow | \o/ |
| 15:10.28 | Semlar | that is definitely not going to work bluspacecow |
| 15:10.35 | bluspacecow | :[ |
| 15:10.38 | Neffi | bluspacecow: shouldn't you be off grazing somewhere? |
| 15:10.45 | bluspacecow | i am ! |
| 15:10.49 | Neffi | haha |
| 15:10.50 | bluspacecow | *munch munch* |
| 15:10.56 | Semlar | he also edited his post to say it works so i think he just did it to drive me crazy |
| 15:11.09 | Neffi | you didn't test it locally? |
| 15:11.19 | Semlar | you think i have sound files just lying around |
| 15:11.26 | Semlar | or a monk |
| 15:11.33 | bluspacecow | Log! |
| 15:11.37 | Neffi | A good rule of thumb: if it works for you, tell the user he's an idiot and close the ticket |
| 15:11.38 | bluspacecow | test it with the Log song ! |
| 15:11.54 | Semlar | i don't know if it works for me, i just drycoded it |
| 15:12.03 | Semlar | i EXPECTED it to work |
| 15:12.58 | Semlar | after he told me it didn't work i made a monk on the ptr and loaded an mp3 and it worked so |
| 15:14.25 | Neffi | never trust the user, semlar |
| 15:14.30 | Semlar | i never trust anyone |
| 15:14.39 | Neffi | not me? QQ |
| 15:14.45 | Semlar | especially not you |
| 15:14.53 | Neffi | that's smart of you |
| 15:15.09 | Semlar | have you been sneaking around behind my back |
| 15:15.45 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/ct5yOJi.jpg |
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| 15:43.40 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:44.19 | Semlar | neffi i don't even know what this is |
| 15:49.52 | g0urra | it's a battery |
| 15:50.06 | tissle | quite worn out by the looks of it |
| 15:50.22 | Neffi | battery "acid" |
| 15:50.25 | g0urra | ^ |
| 15:50.30 | Neffi | actually not acid |
| 15:50.37 | Neffi | they call them alkaline batteries for a reason |
| 15:50.59 | Neffi | but still caustic so don't eat it |
| 15:51.13 | karl_w_w | what happens if you eat it? |
| 15:51.34 | bluspacecow | you poop it out |
| 15:51.52 | nebula169 | hopefully |
| 15:51.53 | karl_w_w | straight away? :o |
| 15:52.10 | bluspacecow | may take a day or so |
| 15:52.16 | bluspacecow | <------------ eaten batteries before |
| 15:54.38 | rid_ | O_O |
| 15:54.41 | rid_ | what do I read |
| 15:55.44 | Neffi | I may have a drinking problem http://i.imgur.com/o5PgmZk.png |
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| 16:30.25 | jleclanche | http://images.lords-zodiac.com/418/8mhyfxjex9.png |
| 16:30.26 | jleclanche | damn. |
| 16:30.39 | nevcairiel | ew its in french |
| 16:30.45 | jleclanche | its not mine |
| 16:30.50 | jleclanche | but yes, ew |
| 16:34.20 | zenzelezz | "Fixed the issue with the M44 drowning too fast." - oh, patch notes... |
| 16:36.40 | jleclanche | http://i.imgur.com/CNoh9JV.png "Google autocomplete: "Why is [European country]...?"" |
| 16:36.44 | jleclanche | damn, scandinavia. |
| 16:38.06 | Neffi | "green" lol |
| 16:38.26 | jleclanche | romania... ouch |
| 16:39.16 | Corrodias2 | "why is france famous" what |
| 16:39.21 | jleclanche | http://i.imgur.com/Tv7h3ui.png this is incredibly specific. |
| 16:40.31 | karl_w_w | what on earth is the evolutionary advantage of itchiness? |
| 16:40.56 | nevcairiel | like pain, it lets you know something is wrong? |
| 16:41.46 | karl_w_w | and your body responds by making it worse |
| 16:42.18 | karl_w_w | the vast majority of things that are itchy are made worse by scratching |
| 16:42.36 | Neffi | So don't scratch |
| 16:42.46 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: resist the urge to scratch behind your ear |
| 16:42.47 | jleclanche | resist it |
| 16:42.58 | Neffi | karl_w_w: Shoot yourself in the foot. Pain gates itchiness. |
| 16:43.11 | karl_w_w | i have no gun |
| 16:43.16 | Neffi | knife? |
| 16:43.17 | jleclanche | thanks, obama. |
| 16:45.10 | karl_w_w | "why is <country>" can be amusing for a lot of countries |
| 16:45.33 | karl_w_w | "why is england better than australia" lol |
| 16:46.16 | karl_w_w | "why is canada so awesome" |
| 16:47.24 | zenzelezz | jleclanche: "not in fifa14" |
| 16:47.30 | zenzelezz | important questions |
| 16:47.35 | jleclanche | cause fuck croatia. |
| 16:53.55 | Neffi | "why is american hustle rated r" ok then |
| 16:58.08 | jleclanche | https://pay.reddit.com/r/GamePhysics/top/ |
| 16:58.11 | jleclanche | oh i love this. |
| 16:59.50 | Fisker | http://www.servethehome.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Synology-DS1813-rear.png <-Keep Synology product upright. Do not lay it down horizontally. |
| 16:59.55 | Fisker | well ok |
| 16:59.57 | Fisker | if you say so |
| 17:06.20 | Corrodias2 | i believe that is upright as far as the intended orientation of that device goes |
| 17:07.18 | Fisker | so you consider the other position to be horizontal? |
| 17:07.55 | nevcairiel | upright is with its feet on the ground |
| 17:07.59 | karl_w_w | http://gfycat.com/ why does it say jiffier gifs? |
| 17:08.01 | nevcairiel | the wording is a bit weird though :p |
| 17:08.05 | karl_w_w | what makes gif jiffy? |
| 17:08.07 | Thunder_Child | upright != vertical |
| 17:08.28 | Fisker | who said that? |
| 17:08.46 | Thunder_Child | well if you say anything else is horizontal.... |
| 17:09.09 | Fisker | The manual says to keep it upright do not lay it down horizontally |
| 17:09.10 | nevcairiel | Thunder_Child: it does say not to lay it down horizontally, but it would look like it is supposed to be horizontal |
| 17:09.14 | Fisker | So either one is vertical |
| 17:13.48 | Corrodias2 | yes, i do not understand why they added the word "horizontally" |
| 17:14.09 | Corrodias2 | to most people that will mean that the longest dimension is parallel with the floor |
| 17:14.15 | Corrodias2 | but that is the case when it is upright |
| 17:16.14 | karl_w_w | "do not lay it down" would also be incorrect, not just the word horizontally |
| 17:16.53 | Corrodias2 | right, i suppose i meant that they used horizontally in the place of something like "on its side" |
| 17:17.27 | karl_w_w | all of its sides are its side :P |
| 17:17.48 | Corrodias2 | but most people will understand that to mean one of the four sides that isn't the top or bottom |
| 17:18.16 | nevcairiel | karl_w_w: if one side has feet, thats usually the bottom, and the opposite the top, and whatever remains the sides :P |
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| 17:24.01 | karl_w_w | why doesnt google do search suggestions on swear words? |
| 17:28.12 | zenzelezz | haven't they been sues a few times by people whose names showed up in search auto-suggests? |
| 17:28.21 | zenzelezz | sued |
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| 17:43.31 | tissle | im trying to get info on temporary enchants, but all i can find is GetWeaponEnchantInfo() - which only tells me if i have an enchant on main and/or off, how can i find out which they are? UnitBuff / UnitAura seems to not show it |
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| 17:44.38 | karl_w_w | check how the default UI does it |
| 17:44.54 | nevcairiel | tissle: you need to scan the tooltip text |
| 17:45.01 | nevcairiel | there is no API to tell you |
| 17:45.17 | nevcairiel | in short: have fun! |
| 17:45.24 | karl_w_w | that doesnt sound right |
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| 17:45.46 | karl_w_w | I doubt the default UI does any tooltip scanning :P |
| 17:46.24 | nevcairiel | does th e default ui show them anywhere besides the tooltip? |
| 17:46.40 | karl_w_w | in your buffs |
| 17:46.41 | nevcairiel | who still has temp weapon enchants anyway? shamans? |
| 17:46.45 | karl_w_w | yeah |
| 17:47.54 | tissle | wonderful |
| 17:48.21 | tissle | nevcairiel: yes, it shows it as my weaponicon |
| 17:48.41 | karl_w_w | weapon oils still exist as well |
| 17:50.06 | Neffi | tissle: http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml/17688/BuffFrame.lua#427 |
| 17:50.34 | tissle | nice, thanks |
| 17:50.53 | nevcairiel | all it does is show the icon with a duration though, it still doesnt tell you which enchant |
| 17:51.15 | nevcairiel | since thats all the default ui needs to show the icon |
| 17:51.22 | Neffi | that function is called OnUpdate using the results from GetWeaponEnchantInfo() |
| 17:52.46 | tissle | well, if that frame shows up, i got something to search:P |
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| 18:40.18 | karl_w_w | http://boards.4chan.org/b/res/529022972 -> http://i.4cdn.org/b/src/1390674605274.jpg rofl |
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| 21:30.35 | kd3 | wow at the nat gas pipeline explosion. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/natural-gas-pipeline-explodes-near-otterburne-1.2510873 |
| 21:36.26 | Cairenn | ugh, not good |
| 21:36.44 | Cairenn | There are going to be some very cold people |
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| 22:31.56 | VIad | sha la la la la |
| 22:34.07 | VIad | not vengaboys :P |
| 22:35.52 | zenzelezz | Bonie (sp?) M? |
| 22:37.01 | VIad | heavy young heathens |
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