| 00:00.44 | g0urra | 10th to 12th |
| 00:00.53 | Stanzilla | most betas are stress tests now |
| 00:01.13 | VIad | lets home that it's playable at all |
| 00:01.25 | VIad | it's a shame |
| 00:01.46 | g0urra | then there's games like starbound and path of exile |
| 00:01.52 | VIad | because each user downloads 30GB of files for ESO and they might not even try it because of issues :P |
| 00:02.01 | Stanzilla | people's expectations are just higher |
| 00:02.08 | Neffi | lua> return ('ff'):match('(%02x)') |
| 00:02.09 | lua_bot | Neffi: luabot:1: invalid capture index |
| 00:02.33 | VIad | lua ("ff"):match("(%02x)") |
| 00:02.35 | VIad | >lua ("ff"):match("(%02x)") |
| 00:02.38 | VIad | damn you |
| 00:04.16 | Stanzilla | dont be a retard :) |
| 00:05.33 | VIad | LOL |
| 00:05.41 | VIad | watching top 10 gaming controversies of 2013 by angryjoeshow |
| 00:06.03 | VIad | "visit this dudes channel now for this bad ass breakdown" (about youtube copyright shit that is going on) |
| 00:06.20 | VIad | the link took me to a page saying "This account has been terminated due to repeated or severe violations of our Community Guidelines and/or claims of copyright infringement." |
| 00:06.29 | VIad | the very thing the guy was talking about in angryjoeshow's video :P |
| 00:10.54 | VIad | btw my youtube account got banned with no reason some years ago |
| 00:11.01 | VIad | I tried to write to google but got no response at all |
| 00:11.12 | VIad | so many praise google yet they don't really respond either :P |
| 00:11.28 | VIad | all I asked was how come I got banned from youtube when I had no video uploads to be a bannable offense :P |
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| 00:12.29 | TC-Work | It could have been a comment |
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| 00:12.53 | VIad | not sure, I don't really comment :P |
| 00:13.04 | VIad | never the less not telling me at all or replying? |
| 00:13.10 | VIad | that's just being an ass |
| 00:13.41 | VIad | "Terminate an account at any time, for any reason, with or without notice." |
| 00:13.53 | VIad | so yeah they themselves say "we can be asses and you can't do shit about it" |
| 00:14.16 | VIad | just silly because I just made a new youtube account, and since I had NO videos on my old one I didn't loose anything at all :P |
| 00:14.16 | Neffi | Time to learn Python |
| 00:15.22 | VIad | btw did you know that if you are VAC banned on steam you can't join their translation programme? ;D |
| 00:15.27 | Neffi | I thought this Sublime Text plugin was really cool, which colored the background of a hex string to show what color it was. That would be a nice feature for developing addon UIs. |
| 00:15.28 | VIad | fun silly fact |
| 00:21.07 | VIad | hmm |
| 00:21.10 | VIad | this is problematic for me |
| 00:21.17 | VIad | I am no huge law guy on youtube |
| 00:21.34 | VIad | but I have a video with a soundtrack, but the claim comes from some company called "INgrooves" |
| 00:21.43 | VIad | but how the hell do I know if THEY are the REAL owners of that soundtrack? |
| 00:22.08 | VIad | because when I first put the song in the video I made I attached the sources and the text I found in the credits stating who made it and such |
| 00:22.21 | Neffi | I think this is still an ongoing problem on YouTube |
| 00:22.23 | VIad | how on earth can I keep track with what companies have what rights? |
| 00:22.37 | VIad | I used a soundtrack bite from mass effect 2 |
| 00:22.45 | VIad | looked it up on the wiki on who made the music |
| 00:22.58 | Neffi | There's a few science-related channels that commonly get false DMCA complaints filed against them for using copyrighted work, despite the people filing not owning the work, and despite the use of the work falling squarely under Fair Use |
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| 00:23.03 | VIad | credited accordingly in the descriptions, then suddenly some other company comes claims the sound |
| 00:23.13 | VIad | yeah |
| 00:23.23 | VIad | so I just never clicked "acknowledge" the claim on my video |
| 00:23.27 | VIad | you can pick ack/dispute |
| 00:23.30 | VIad | I just let it be :P |
| 00:24.10 | VIad | I use the same soundtrack for all my junk videos |
| 00:24.16 | VIad | and I get different companies claiming them |
| 00:24.16 | VIad | lol |
| 00:24.23 | Neffi | "It's Raining Men"? |
| 00:24.27 | VIad | you bet |
| 00:24.38 | Neffi | =P |
| 00:25.06 | VIad | oh lord the inbox |
| 00:25.12 | VIad | first time I visit my yt inbox in years |
| 00:25.14 | VIad | so much shit |
| 00:27.03 | Neffi | ~seen ckknight |
| 00:27.09 | purl | ckknight <~ckknight@c-68-62-172-239.hsd1.al.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 630d 4h 28m 53s ago, saying: 'wasn't it rewritten since I left Curse?'. |
| 00:27.11 | VIad | ~seen Torhal |
| 00:27.11 | purl | torhal is currently on #sc2mapster (5h 19m 58s) #riftuidev (5h 19m 58s) #wowprogramming (5h 19m 58s) #wowhead (5h 19m 58s) #wowuidev (5h 19m 58s) #arl (5h 19m 58s) #wowace (5h 19m 58s) #curseforge (5h 19m 58s) #diablofans (5h 19m 58s). Has said a total of 12 messages. Is idling for 12m 31s, last said: 'Speaking of which, time to go home.'. |
| 00:29.01 | VIad | here is a fun scenario |
| 00:29.44 | VIad | angryjoe bought a program "video copilot" that helps create music for the videos you make, then some years later the content ID system claims his videos because the system flagged the music :P |
| 00:32.14 | VIad | btw when are we invited for the xpac beta? |
| 00:32.19 | VIad | around the summer or? |
| 00:33.08 | Neffi | Did that even happen for Mists? |
| 00:33.15 | VIad | unsure at the moment |
| 00:33.17 | VIad | only remember cata :D |
| 00:33.29 | VIad | but I was in mop beta, not sure if I got invited by wowui hmm |
| 00:34.16 | Neffi | nneriaC might know if it even will happen for WoD |
| 00:34.27 | Dashkal | I got a mop beta invite via wowui. Which was unexpectected since I stopped maintaining any mods back in wrath :P |
| 00:34.37 | VIad | nneriaC seems afk |
| 00:34.39 | Stanzilla | was mop season pass guaranted invite |
| 00:34.41 | Stanzilla | or cata? |
| 00:34.56 | VIad | I think it was mop? |
| 00:35.06 | VIad | I was in cata beta around mid |
| 00:35.11 | Stanzilla | I think so too |
| 00:35.17 | VIad | ah maybe it was cata..hmm |
| 00:35.23 | VIad | wotlk beta I was from early on |
| 00:35.28 | VIad | but in cata wowui didnt get keys until midway |
| 00:37.30 | Gethe | mop beta was annual pass |
| 00:40.22 | Stanzilla | yah |
| 00:40.56 | Neffi | I got into WLK beta and didn't actually play it much |
| 00:41.31 | VIad | I didn't on the ground of not spoiling myself |
| 00:41.36 | Neffi | I remember updating an addon TOC to qualify, getting my invite, and then only using it like 4-5 times |
| 00:41.38 | VIad | because lich king was my favorite antihero |
| 00:41.38 | Gethe | same for me with cata, though i played the hell out of the mop beta |
| 00:42.28 | Neffi | I don't know if I'd play WoD beta given the chance. If I played all the content pre-launch, I might get bored too soon after launch. |
| 00:43.03 | VIad | what is fun is that the next xpac is an alternate timeline instead of what happened in tbc |
| 00:43.11 | VIad | so basically it's an alternative tbc xpac :D |
| 00:43.32 | Neffi | "alternate timeline" I thought it was just in the past? |
| 00:44.04 | Gethe | its both |
| 00:44.18 | Gethe | alt past timeline |
| 00:44.35 | Neffi | that's some comic book stuff |
| 00:44.38 | VIad | we might meet arthas before he became a DK because of a different course of events :) |
| 00:44.47 | VIad | if he joins us that is |
| 00:44.49 | Neffi | Also, is there an existing slash command "/i" in the game? |
| 00:44.57 | Gethe | yes |
| 00:45.03 | Gethe | instance chat |
| 00:47.05 | Gethe | Arthas won't be there because there won't be a dark portal on the Azeroth of that timeline |
| 00:47.19 | Gethe | Nur'Zul might though |
| 00:47.21 | VIad | I thought we enter WoD using the black portal |
| 00:47.28 | VIad | only it leads in past-outlands |
| 00:47.35 | Gethe | on OUR Azeroth yes |
| 00:47.50 | Gethe | different timlines |
| 00:48.08 | Gethe | its like back to the future |
| 00:48.23 | Gethe | when biff takes the almanac |
| 00:49.51 | VIad | yes |
| 00:49.57 | VIad | but for the players you need to be able to go both places |
| 00:50.01 | VIad | ;D |
| 00:50.18 | VIad | so the game implementation, I wonder how they will handle tbc and wod when there is one blackportal |
| 00:50.20 | Stanzilla | they have no solution for that yet |
| 00:50.24 | Stanzilla | but they said it will be possible |
| 00:50.31 | Gethe | they will probably put the outland portal in caverns of time |
| 00:50.55 | VIad | shouldn't the wod one be in cot? ;D |
| 00:52.32 | kd3|hate`net | well, no, the whole point of using the black portal is that angry murder-orcs come pouring out of it. they wouldn't get so far in the caverns of time since (hopefully) the mainline bronze flight still holds sway |
| 00:52.51 | Gethe | ^ what he said |
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| 00:52.59 | VIad | where is deathwing back in the olden times? |
| 00:53.20 | kd3 | probably not going to be on the draenor we're going to |
| 00:53.23 | Gethe | beeing plated |
| 00:53.31 | Gethe | in deepholm |
| 00:56.08 | VIad | btw, how did bolvar get to ICC to be crowned when he got burned to crisp at wrathgate? |
| 00:56.19 | VIad | I forgot why the lich king brought him to his throneroom |
| 00:56.29 | kd3 | he was burned severely, but not killed |
| 00:56.36 | VIad | appart it being for easy plot continuation |
| 00:56.38 | VIad | yeah |
| 00:56.49 | VIad | but why did then LK bring him to his throne room? |
| 00:56.59 | kd3 | the burned state is mostly the result of the red flight. the mental torture was arthas' doing, looking for secrets he can use against the alliance |
| 00:57.20 | VIad | hmm |
| 00:57.26 | g0urra | VIad: because he's the lich king, that's why |
| 00:57.35 | VIad | he also becomes a different lich king since his eyes are orange and not blue |
| 00:57.36 | g0urra | "HAH, I'LL LET YOU STAY THERE FOREVER" |
| 00:57.47 | kd3 | zone in to icc and kill the first trash mob, then listen to the text that arthas/bolvar/etc. all yell out |
| 01:00.40 | VIad | btw need for speed fps decided the game speed - wooot? |
| 01:02.22 | Gethe | http://wow.joystiq.com/2013/12/08/know-your-lore-tinfoil-hat-edition-alternate-azeroth/ <-- Alt Timeline Azeroth |
| 01:02.50 | Sintacks | halp. i need something simple to remove the server name from a full name... |
| 01:03.00 | Sintacks | so, remove everything after a - in Name-Server |
| 01:03.10 | Stanzilla | Ambiguate() |
| 01:03.47 | Stanzilla | or strsplit() |
| 01:03.51 | VIad | function UnitName()return "?"end |
| 01:04.21 | Sintacks | Ambiguate not documented |
| 01:04.25 | Sintacks | :( |
| 01:05.10 | Sintacks | i need to remove the server from GetGuildRosterInfo, VIad |
| 01:05.41 | Stanzilla | Ambiguate("name-server", "none") |
| 01:05.42 | Stanzilla | Will return a result typical of what we're used to. It will remove your server name, and always keep foreign server names. |
| 01:05.54 | Stanzilla | http://forums.wowace.com/showpost.php?p=328117&postcount=5 |
| 01:11.45 | Semlar | you could just match [^-]+ in the name |
| 01:11.47 | VIad | when I login to ESO I get Error 328 saying "You are not entitled to play on this realm." :'( |
| 01:14.59 | Semlar | Sintacks: ('Player-RealmName'):match('^([^-]+)') |
| 01:15.13 | VIad | does it work with utf( |
| 01:15.17 | VIad | utf8? |
| 01:15.26 | VIad | lua> return ('Player-RealmName'):match('^([^-]+)') |
| 01:15.27 | lua_bot | VIad: Player |
| 01:15.34 | VIad | lua> return ('ÆØÅ-æøå'):match('^([^-]+)') |
| 01:15.34 | lua_bot | VIad: ÆØÅ |
| 01:15.46 | Semlar | it literally matches any character up to a - |
| 01:16.02 | VIad | lua> return ('서울-인천/仁川'):match('^([^-]+)') |
| 01:16.03 | lua_bot | VIad: 서울 |
| 01:16.07 | VIad | ok |
| 01:16.12 | VIad | Semlar: 1, Vlad: 0 |
| 01:16.18 | Stanzilla | why so complicated |
| 01:16.31 | Stanzilla | t = strsplit("-", t, 2) done |
| 01:16.50 | Semlar | nuffin complicated about pattern matching |
| 01:16.57 | Stanzilla | nooooo |
| 01:17.32 | TC-Work | VIad: it has limited time frame.... |
| 01:17.49 | VIad | what TC-Work? :) |
| 01:17.53 | TC-Work | ESO |
| 01:17.58 | VIad | ah yes |
| 01:18.00 | VIad | I know |
| 01:18.04 | VIad | sadly :( |
| 01:18.19 | VIad | we know it will be like release day on wow |
| 01:18.23 | VIad | first days are login issues and lag |
| 01:18.24 | VIad | :P |
| 01:18.33 | VIad | sunday 2 hours before it ends you might get to make a character |
| 01:19.05 | VIad | 30GB download for character creation |
| 01:19.30 | Dagmar | Oh don't worry. There will be _plenty_ of time to go to forums and post "WTF. HOW WAS THIS CONSIDERED READY??" |
| 01:19.53 | VIad | ^^ |
| 01:20.07 | VIad | I downloaded EOS with 2mb/s (quite slow) |
| 01:20.17 | VIad | but on the 10th you'll be lucky to get 2kb/s if you ask me |
| 01:22.59 | g0urra | "Reliable source serving corrupt data" |
| 01:23.00 | g0urra | ... |
| 01:23.39 | VIad | where, g0urra? |
| 01:23.46 | g0urra | on the launcher |
| 01:23.48 | g0urra | stuck at 29% |
| 01:23.51 | VIad | hmm |
| 01:26.10 | VIad | it is torrent based |
| 01:26.14 | VIad | so I pitty you :( |
| 01:27.13 | VIad | scandinavian netflix doesn't have more subtitles to offer, it's silly |
| 01:27.22 | VIad | I want english subs, but nooo! |
| 01:27.31 | g0urra | and now it has to check the 20gb I downloaded |
| 01:27.33 | g0urra | fantastic |
| 01:28.23 | Sintacks | Ambiguate works for what i needed |
| 01:28.34 | g0urra | and I can't get on the forums either because it's fucking retarded |
| 01:28.50 | g0urra | "The Elder Scrolls Online beta forums will open at 9 p.m. EST on January 7. Your forum login credentials are located at the bottom of the invite you received." |
| 01:28.54 | g0urra | yeah ok that's already passed |
| 01:29.01 | g0urra | no wait. |
| 01:29.11 | TC-Work | PM |
| 01:29.11 | g0urra | that's another half an hour |
| 01:29.14 | g0urra | fuck this |
| 01:29.23 | VIad | g0urra: want me to share my files? |
| 01:31.32 | VIad | ~sms g0urra come back I'll share my torrent with you |
| 01:33.46 | VIad | anyone else wants my TESO beta files? |
| 01:36.07 | VIad | if someone needs it here http://vlacula.no-ip.com/The%20Elder%20Scrolls%20Online%20Beta.torrent I'll keep seeding during the next hours :) |
| 01:40.08 | Gethe | ohh just got ESO invite |
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| 01:40.57 | VIad | grats |
| 01:41.06 | VIad | hf with the official downloader, if it's really slow try my torrent :P |
| 01:41.42 | VIad | teleporting to bed in the meanwhile - see you |
| 01:41.58 | Gethe | well i got one before so its just an update. 2GB |
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| 01:51.15 | Neffi | lucky sob |
| 01:51.21 | Neffi | everyone gets into the beta but me |
| 01:52.48 | Gethe | pat Neffi |
| 01:53.11 | Gethe | it'll be ok |
| 01:53.44 | Neffi | :| |
| 01:53.50 | Neffi | Semlar: it's all your fault |
| 01:53.59 | Semlar | it usually is |
| 01:54.09 | Neffi | at least you know |
| 01:55.13 | Neffi | "vlacular.no-ip.com" <- I knew Vlad was seceretely Dracula |
| 01:55.27 | Semlar | secretly? |
| 01:55.32 | Neffi | lol |
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| 03:37.14 | Iriel | Anyone got experience with Synology NAS devices? |
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| 03:56.12 | Shirik | what the fuck adobe |
| 03:56.21 | Shirik | how does adobe media player open a video, but premiere pro can't open it |
| 04:03.36 | Thunder_Child | Codecs? |
| 04:04.16 | Thunder_Child | Different licensing for editing vs playback? |
| 04:10.35 | Mr_Rabies | Iriel: yeah, what's up? |
| 04:10.57 | Mr_Rabies | I'm in a raid atm so i might be a bit slow to respond, but yeah, i've got some |
| 04:11.08 | Iriel | Mr_Rabies: Considering a DS412+, but I have zero experience with the brand. The reviews seem favorable. |
| 04:11.32 | Mr_Rabies | i installed a DS213j for my parents' business, and it owns |
| 04:11.54 | Mr_Rabies | can act as a plex media server, all kinds of stuff |
| 04:11.58 | Mr_Rabies | even a dvr for a camera system |
| 04:12.15 | Iriel | Im stuck in a sort of NAS/DAS dilemma |
| 04:13.18 | Mr_Rabies | i personally love it, i want one for home now |
| 04:13.20 | Mr_Rabies | but i'm too poor |
| 04:13.47 | Iriel | Were the clients pc's? macs? both? |
| 04:14.17 | Mr_Rabies | all pcs, but a friend of mine uses it with his mac with both on it |
| 04:14.24 | Mr_Rabies | he prefers mac but also has pcs as well |
| 04:14.38 | Iriel | And it's working fine for him? |
| 04:14.39 | Mr_Rabies | you can send files to it via a web interface or over smb, ftp, all kinds of other stuff |
| 04:14.41 | Mr_Rabies | yup |
| 04:14.47 | Mr_Rabies | i think it supports whatever weird sharing stuff mac has |
| 04:15.09 | Iriel | The mac will do CIFS, but I suspect you mean AFP |
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| 04:19.06 | Mr_Rabies | i honestly don't know anythign about mac sharing myself, but i know it supports SMB flawlessly |
| 04:19.09 | Mr_Rabies | with permissions, etc |
| 04:20.21 | Sintacks | i feel special |
| 04:20.24 | Sintacks | i fixed an addon again |
| 04:20.43 | Neffi | poor addon |
| 04:46.03 | Neffi | Christ |
| 04:46.16 | Neffi | I wish Curse had overtaken Nexus for Skyrim mods |
| 04:50.35 | karl_w_w | http://delimiter.com.au/2014/01/08/myer-fail-displays-appalling-business-incompetency/ |
| 04:57.51 | karl_w_w | interesting, the b.net app has to read from the disk to switch from one game page to another, even if it'll already been on that game's page |
| 04:58.21 | karl_w_w | s/ll/s/ |
| 05:02.48 | A-KO | http://imgur.com/a/qnhta |
| 05:16.22 | karl_w_w | http://imgur.com/gallery/Mp9FP lol wtf the 2nd last one |
| 05:24.31 | karl_w_w | If your computer is prone to overheating, melt an ice cube onto the motherboard. Shit will be blazing fast. |
| 05:24.42 | kd3 | not cool: https://twitter.com/w3c/status/420548145102061568 |
| 05:25.24 | Neffi | "Shit will be blazing fast." <- i laughed |
| 05:26.22 | Neffi | kd3: We all know DRM is going to be a reality before Flash is sacrificed for HTML5 in many places. It's inevitable. |
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| 05:57.32 | Shirik | HTML 5 Enhanced |
| 05:57.44 | Shirik | the Enhanced stands for "copyright protected" |
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| 09:01.45 | zenzio | this is brilliant... was updating a user profile form for a site we inherited, and checking the database table for it I see that the first- and last-name columns are set to varchar(32), while middle-name is varchar(255) |
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| 09:15.10 | Humbedooh | bestest database |
| 09:19.59 | Neffi | http://imgur.com/gallery/QXNSBPi wow |
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| 09:26.03 | karl_w_w | an englishman an irishman and a scotsman walk into a bar |
| 09:27.09 | Neffi | this isn't gonna end well is it |
| 09:28.53 | Mr_Rabies | the aftermath: everyone is dead |
| 09:29.09 | Mr_Rabies | instant cirrhosis to all in the vicinity |
| 09:31.04 | karl_w_w | neffi what do you mean, end well? |
| 09:51.16 | karl_w_w | http://i.4cdn.org/b/src/1389173770133.png |
| 10:08.26 | Mr_Rabies | >linking /b/ in here |
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| 10:09.34 | Icicle | Morning |
| 10:09.41 | Icicle | GOod Morning, How is everyone! |
| 10:10.58 | Mr_Rabies | everyone's dead |
| 10:11.01 | Mr_Rabies | it's fisker's fault |
| 10:11.07 | Icicle | smites fisker |
| 10:11.25 | Icicle | there that's settled |
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| 10:34.17 | Icicle | whats the best practice for hiding a div in javascript? Do I make the div and all the links and just change the visibility? Or is there a better way |
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| 11:02.07 | karl_w_w | document.getElementById("thing").style.display = "none"; |
| 11:02.14 | karl_w_w | that's how the cool kids do it :P |
| 11:05.07 | karl_w_w | my CPU is no longer the bottleneck for ripping with DVD Shrink! |
| 11:05.41 | karl_w_w | were CPUs ever the bottleneck for ripping an audio CD? I'm guessing not |
| 11:06.46 | zenzio | I remember they could be for burning |
| 11:07.12 | zenzio | when we first got CD burners, people didn't dare touch the computer while burning, for dread of the buffer underrun |
| 11:11.05 | Arrowmaster | then we finally got burners and software that didnt have that issue |
| 11:12.39 | zenzio | then we got Easy CD Creator 5, which if you had a DVD-ROM (yes, ROM) and Windows 98 would just cause bluescreens on boot |
| 12:17.03 | karl_w_w | any opinions on benq monitors? |
| 12:23.51 | zenzio | I'm mostly happy with mine, although sometimes it seems a little like there's some tiny ghosting when I'm moving a camera fast-ish in games. I'm not sure if this is the monitors, my computer or my vision; or if it's an intended thing. Supposedly an "RTS"-ish monitor |
| 12:26.52 | zenzio | looks like this might be my problem; http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/2089509 - didn't think to search for it before now |
| 12:31.35 | karl_w_w | this is getting ridic |
| 12:32.25 | karl_w_w | I've taken time making purchasing decisions like this before, but I've been thinking about this one for ages and I don't feel like I've gotten anywhere |
| 12:33.08 | zenzio | I got mine on the basis of "well, Grubby uses it, guess it's okay" since I couldn't figure out which monitors were any good |
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| 12:36.17 | karl_w_w | maybe I'll buy this 27 inch ips |
| 12:38.36 | karl_w_w | and it's 8-bit not 6-bit |
| 12:38.50 | karl_w_w | but there's so few reviews of it |
| 12:39.08 | karl_w_w | LG 27EA53V-P |
| 12:41.51 | zenzio | I kept my Samsung Syncmaster 245B+ for so long, only just replaced them this summer. Giving up x1200 was hard |
| 12:42.30 | zenzio | but 1200 monitors were just too expensive somehow compared to 1080, and for three monitors I just couldn't justify it |
| 12:45.32 | Sintacks | i'm fine with 1080 |
| 12:45.36 | Sintacks | 1200 would feel weird |
| 12:46.19 | Sintacks | and i guess it'd be the same kind of thing for you going from 1200 back to 1080 |
| 12:51.19 | nevcairiel | 1080 is for TVs |
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| 12:53.18 | zenzio | I like this helpful illustration; http://serverfault.com/a/565750 |
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| 13:26.18 | VIad | 7msg Semlar luv u bro |
| 13:30.01 | Sintacks | ?msg Semlar VIad wants your penis |
| 13:30.29 | VIad | :X |
| 13:31.08 | rid_ | 8- |
| 13:35.10 | karl_w_w | ♫msg VIad I think Sintacks is getting jealous |
| 13:35.11 | zenzio | the more I have to work with other people's PHP code, the more I understand why it gets such a bad rap |
| 13:36.03 | VIad | zenzio: poorly written code? :( |
| 13:36.10 | zenzio | to say the least |
| 13:36.31 | mitch0 | zenzio: you didn't figure that out just by trying to use it? |
| 13:36.50 | zenzio | mitch0: no, I have no major issues with the language when I use it for just my own code |
| 13:37.23 | mitch0 | you have low standards then ;) |
| 13:37.35 | Sintacks | codes mitch0 |
| 13:37.41 | VIad | regardless of language, if there is a coding practice behind it will be okay :) |
| 13:38.01 | zenzio | it does what I need, and I already know how to use it. I don't see a point in messing with python/ruby/... just to do the same thing |
| 13:38.42 | amro_ | zenzio: http://www.paulgraham.com/avg.html |
| 13:38.49 | mitch0 | well, yeah, they're not _that much_ better anyway. each have their quirks/issues |
| 13:39.21 | mitch0 | python could've been a nice one, but they managed to botch it :( |
| 13:39.26 | VIad | article about best coding practices for newbies on PHP, the author wrote "store passwords with encryption" |
| 13:39.42 | VIad | relax he meant hashing passwords, but initially I had a O face |
| 13:39.44 | zenzio | amro_: what should I be taking from that article? I've heard most of it before |
| 13:40.40 | amro_ | zenzio: the takeaway is that you don't know what you will get from a better language until you learn it |
| 13:41.02 | zenzio | so the same as food and whatnot |
| 13:41.06 | mitch0 | lisp is not really a "better language" |
| 13:41.32 | zenzio | I've done this enough to know that sometimes I am fine with what I know, and can't be bothered to try Language Of The Month |
| 13:41.38 | zenzio | because OMG it does Unicode better |
| 13:41.45 | zenzio | or runs 0.5% faster on Nginx |
| 13:41.58 | mitch0 | ah, unicode... |
| 13:42.03 | zenzio | are there better things than PHP? Absolutely |
| 13:42.05 | mitch0 | that's one thing botched up in python |
| 14:00.13 | VIad | guys, be strong and do not relapse this conversation! |
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| 14:16.11 | karl_w_w | wow 27 inch screens are huge |
| 14:16.42 | nevcairiel | nah |
| 14:16.47 | nevcairiel | is reading this on a 30" |
| 14:16.50 | Fisker | Yeah slight above 27 inches diagonally |
| 14:16.54 | Fisker | hey nevcairiel |
| 14:17.01 | Fisker | does yours have gsync and 120Hz refresh rate? |
| 14:17.23 | nevcairiel | only crap screens have those features |
| 14:17.25 | zenzio | isn't gsync just the videocard? Or does the monitor have to support it too? |
| 14:17.37 | Fisker | You guys are lucky nevcairiel |
| 14:17.43 | Fisker | monitor has to support it too zenzio |
| 14:17.45 | nevcairiel | zenzio: monitor too |
| 14:17.45 | Fisker | obviously |
| 14:17.53 | zenzio | well that's less fun then |
| 14:17.59 | Fisker | Basically they change from monitor dictating refresh rate to the graphics card dictating it |
| 14:18.33 | Fisker | btw nevcairiel |
| 14:18.35 | Fisker | you guys are lucky |
| 14:18.45 | Fisker | your cocaine got in the stores |
| 14:19.16 | nevcairiel | too bad i'm no big fan of bananas |
| 14:19.51 | Fisker | Why? |
| 14:22.49 | Fisker | I need a wireless charger update |
| 14:23.15 | VIad | Fisker: nevcairiel probably referenced the 100 kg cocaine found in bananas from columbia |
| 14:23.27 | nevcairiel | so did Fisker |
| 14:23.42 | Fisker | Yes |
| 14:23.42 | VIad | they found 145 kg in norway :p |
| 14:23.42 | karl_w_w | http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2014/01/i-wore-the-new-oculus-rift-and-i-never-want-to-look-at-real-life-again/ these bastards won't hurry up and release it! |
| 14:23.47 | Fisker | we had a similar incident in Denmark as well |
| 14:23.55 | Fisker | funny VIad |
| 14:24.04 | Fisker | But they never got to the stores |
| 14:24.08 | VIad | jupp |
| 14:24.24 | Fisker | apparently here people were queuing up at the place to buy a fuckton of cocaine |
| 14:24.36 | VIad | imagine if a single banana got bought and eaten |
| 14:24.39 | VIad | imagine the rush |
| 14:24.41 | zenzio | a colleague brought the rift to our christmas party. There was a lot of screaming as the spouses tried the rollercoaster ride |
| 14:24.45 | Fisker | It wasn't in bananas |
| 14:25.02 | VIad | I just meant if one of the bananas got into the normal store by mistake :P |
| 14:25.03 | Fisker | and throwing up |
| 14:25.08 | Fisker | I want the non-prototype model already |
| 14:25.14 | Fisker | Yes |
| 14:25.24 | Fisker | And I mean that it wasn't in a banana |
| 14:25.28 | VIad | oculus rift, isnt that the thingy to make you throw up if you have motion sickness? |
| 14:25.46 | Fisker | The cocaine was just packed like anything else you would pack in a box |
| 14:25.49 | Fisker | with bananas around it |
| 14:25.59 | VIad | ah |
| 14:26.04 | Fisker | It wasn't in the actual bananas |
| 14:26.21 | Fisker | I guess it was an issue with aldi because they probably just ship everything to the storefront |
| 14:26.25 | VIad | shows how fell informed I am on the drug-scene |
| 14:26.38 | Fisker | Don't think they handle fruit here in Denmark |
| 14:27.04 | Fisker | But it's like just going through a warehouse |
| 14:27.19 | karl_w_w | apparently the big problems with oculus sickness was delay (from you moving to the screen moving) and motion blur, and they're fixing those |
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| 14:27.41 | Fisker | Also low resolution |
| 14:27.47 | Fisker | I want the final product now |
| 14:27.53 | nevcairiel | the biggest problem was non-matching movement, since earlier models didnt have proper head tracking |
| 14:28.09 | nevcairiel | so you moved your head in a certain way, and the virtual head moved slightly differently |
| 14:28.18 | zenzio | ouch |
| 14:28.38 | nevcairiel | but the model they presented at the CES has proper head position tracking now |
| 14:28.39 | karl_w_w | they just need to hurry up |
| 14:28.58 | nevcairiel | and a new full HD OLED screen, although reportedly its not enough resolution yet |
| 14:29.29 | zenzio | I have hopes that Carmack may speed up the graphics improvements, but there's probably only so much you can do |
| 14:29.34 | nevcairiel | but reporters at least said none of them got sick anymore, while with the previous version that happend quickly |
| 14:30.02 | zenzio | from what I recall, the full version is supposed to be 1080; but that's shared across both eyes or something |
| 14:30.14 | nevcairiel | thats what the CES demo is now |
| 14:30.22 | nevcairiel | so 960x1080 per eye |
| 14:30.38 | nevcairiel | developer demo was 1280x720, so only 640x720 per eye |
| 14:31.34 | VIad | nevcairiel: you know the difference between LCD and AMOLED? |
| 14:31.48 | nevcairiel | of course i do |
| 14:31.57 | VIad | tell me :3 |
| 14:32.37 | nevcairiel | the most basic difference is that OLEDs actually emit light, while LCD needs a backlight |
| 14:32.38 | rid_ | don't do it! it's a trap |
| 14:32.41 | rid_ | oh you did :< |
| 14:32.45 | VIad | ^^ |
| 14:33.02 | VIad | also the pixels that emit light can control their brightness per pixel basis |
| 14:33.35 | nevcairiel | well with certain approaches you can also do that with LCD, but its mighty complex, so yeah its much easier to do that with oled |
| 14:34.00 | VIad | I believe I played a game with unreal engine that was pretty good at making the dark palces truly dark |
| 14:34.05 | nevcairiel | gives you a much higher contrast ratio, since you can go from absolute black (off) to full bright |
| 14:34.12 | VIad | often in games the dark places are still visible with enough brightness :( |
| 14:34.16 | nevcairiel | and a LCD can usually not reach perfect black for individual pixels |
| 14:34.24 | VIad | yeah |
| 14:35.16 | VIad | sigh |
| 14:35.26 | VIad | we have a tool called prisguide.no that crawls online shops in norway for stuff |
| 14:35.31 | VIad | problem is it's starting to get old |
| 14:35.40 | VIad | can't search for Hz on screens for instance :( |
| 14:35.52 | nevcairiel | i wonder if ours can do that |
| 14:35.53 | VIad | wanted to check the prices for 120Hz screens |
| 14:36.35 | nevcairiel | ours doesnt have a refresh rate filter, but in the "special properties" category you can click 120Hz or 144Hz |
| 14:36.47 | nevcairiel | not that i would want one, since those screens are TN |
| 14:36.52 | VIad | I think tags is a great way to filter content |
| 14:37.03 | VIad | at the moment stores must organize into categories |
| 14:37.35 | VIad | but it would be nice if you can add tags, i.e. "120Hz" being one tag, then you have another tag for HDMI, e.g. perhaps more advanced tags where you can do <>= and such |
| 14:38.09 | VIad | this way it would be easier for people to look up specific features, you still pick a category like screens, but then you can make a list of tags you want, tags you don't want, e.g. |
| 14:38.10 | Fisker | We've had that since 1998 |
| 14:38.16 | nevcairiel | for many things, like screen size, we have "at least xx inch", and "at most xx inch" tags |
| 14:38.28 | VIad | tags would be easier to expand upon |
| 14:38.36 | VIad | but many stores atm that I browse don't have these |
| 14:38.45 | nevcairiel | i never browse hardware of any kind at some stores website |
| 14:38.48 | nevcairiel | always use this :p |
| 14:38.51 | Fisker | I also like skinflint for it |
| 14:38.52 | Fisker | http://skinflint.co.uk/?cat=monlcd19wide |
| 14:38.58 | Fisker | has a lot of shit |
| 14:39.10 | nevcairiel | that looks exactly like our german site, maybe they are affiliated |
| 14:39.23 | nevcairiel | must be, the url syntax is the same :P |
| 14:39.24 | nevcairiel | http://geizhals.de/?cat=monlcd19wide |
| 14:39.27 | VIad | look http://www.komplett.no/k/kc.aspx?bn=10392 |
| 14:39.34 | VIad | it's okay I guess but nowhere to filter on Hz :( |
| 14:39.44 | VIad | very crude filtering system |
| 14:39.53 | Fisker | they are nevcairiel |
| 14:40.15 | Fisker | I used to use the german one until I saw there was an UK one as well |
| 14:40.46 | Fisker | Yeah VIad the individual stores are always kinda shit |
| 14:41.00 | Fisker | The danish price thingy have a lot of filters though |
| 14:41.02 | VIad | also it's hard for crawlers to properly extract product data, as each store shows it in shitty ways |
| 14:41.17 | VIad | I vote for a unified product specifications format in json or something |
| 14:41.46 | zenzio | Chrome still thinks Komplett is in Danish, and they apparently don't care to add any meta- or header that would say otherwise |
| 14:41.52 | VIad | :D |
| 14:42.06 | VIad | komplett exist several places |
| 14:42.14 | zenzio | yes, but the Norwegian site is in Norwegian |
| 14:42.20 | VIad | yes |
| 14:42.33 | zenzio | I wrote them about it once, and they said "thanks for the tip; meanwhile you can get around it by selecting 'never translate'". |
| 14:42.44 | zenzio | that was over a year ago |
| 14:42.45 | VIad | :D |
| 14:43.00 | VIad | the system they use in komplett, I've seen other sites use it too |
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| 14:43.28 | VIad | so good luck that any of your reports gets to the devs ;D |
| 14:43.29 | VIad | they probably have their own milestones and don't care for user feedback as long it works |
| 14:43.29 | zenzio | they made the system themselves, they just use it on others too |
| 14:43.35 | zenzio | that last bit though, that's true |
| 14:44.02 | VIad | poor support probably don't have any guidelines what to do with dev feedback either |
| 14:45.08 | VIad | people that say mp3 has poor quality, just listening to a mp3 file that has really good and clear audio, where the high tones and the bass don't "blend" in a shitsoup of sounds, but instead use distinct frequencies, so the music sounds great, the vocals sound great, the bass is also great :P |
| 14:45.17 | VIad | it's all about making your mp3 soup balanced |
| 14:45.42 | VIad | and usually mp3s go trough "converters" by people that can't do it properly, so you get crap quality after the 10th conversion |
| 14:46.01 | zenzio | some people think things haven't improved since your 96k rips back in 2000 |
| 14:46.18 | VIad | most often I experience that people make a mp3 and label it 320kb/s but the sources were 128kb/s |
| 14:46.23 | VIad | so kind of misleading |
| 14:46.44 | nevcairiel | any encode you create from an already lossy encoded source will only get worse |
| 14:47.08 | VIad | we need a better system to avoid this from happening in the future |
| 14:47.44 | VIad | like removing internet previleges from people that do bad encodes |
| 14:48.19 | Dagmar | Well, except it doesn't degrade much to begin with |
| 14:49.18 | VIad | take 320kbs then someone converts it to 128kbs then someone else converts it "back" to 320kbs again and tada, you have a soundfile that claims to be something it's really not |
| 14:49.20 | Dagmar | Encode something at 128Kb/s (mp3!), then spin it out to wav, then reencode it. Do this 1,000 times in a row. You're still going to be hard-pressed to tell which iteration you're listening to |
| 14:49.21 | nevcairiel | depending on the audio in question, say a 128kbit mp3 can degrade it quite a bit. 320 is mostly ok, but at that rate might as well double the size and go flac |
| 14:49.25 | VIad | technically it is but the quality is still shot :P |
| 14:49.44 | VIad | can't acc handle higher bitrates? |
| 14:49.48 | VIad | ogg |
| 14:49.57 | Dagmar | ONce you've lost signal fidelity, you're not getting it back, but it doesn't throw away the same amount of information each time, it just doesn't catch the same information |
| 14:50.11 | nevcairiel | not every music piece you'll hear the degredation, since much music is also rather terribly mastered to begin with |
| 14:50.29 | Dagmar | nevcairiel: Use LAME 0 and stop worrying |
| 14:50.43 | Dagmar | i.e., VBR, highest fidelity |
| 14:50.48 | nevcairiel | anything i rip myself i put in flac, guaranteed lossless |
| 14:51.09 | VIad | is flac smaller than wav? |
| 14:51.09 | Dagmar | I've got a bunch of weird shit and the only things that don't encode great with LAME are a few things I'm surprised were successfully mastered onto the CD |
| 14:51.48 | nevcairiel | VIad: wav is uncompressed, anything is smaller than wav |
| 14:51.49 | Dagmar | VIad: In *theory* flac is compressed, so it *should* be |
| 14:52.11 | VIad | also something about wav and not being able to keep tagging? |
| 14:52.15 | VIad | tags* |
| 14:52.23 | Dagmar | Yeah, WAV doesn't store metadata |
| 14:52.28 | nevcairiel | flacs usually go around 500-800 kbit, depends on the music how well it compresses |
| 14:52.38 | nevcairiel | wavs are 1.4 mbit or so |
| 14:52.51 | VIad | what do movies use? I've seen hd movies that I rent to go around 768 kb in sound or above |
| 14:52.55 | Dagmar | mp3 |
| 14:53.05 | Dagmar | ...for stereo. for 7.1 it's typically AAC |
| 14:53.15 | nevcairiel | nah, more like AC3 or DTS |
| 14:53.26 | nevcairiel | 768 is DTS, AC3 tops out at 640 |
| 14:53.43 | VIad | what codec/container is DTS? |
| 14:53.48 | Dagmar | DTS is the stereo encoding method |
| 14:54.05 | nevcairiel | Dagmar obviously has no clue |
| 14:54.34 | Dagmar | It's been two years sinze I've fucked with encoding AV, but I got used to seeing AAC used on rips |
| 14:54.39 | nevcairiel | VIad: DTS is the codec |
| 14:54.58 | VIad | I guess it's not for public use since I haven't seen anyone share music with DTS :P |
| 14:55.06 | nevcairiel | but those codecs are really not ideal for music, since they are designed for multi-channel/surround |
| 14:55.14 | VIad | aha |
| 14:55.28 | Dagmar | The libs are a bitch, that's for sure |
| 14:55.51 | nevcairiel | for music, you'll usually see mp3, sometimes a bit AAC (mostly in streaming), or lossless formats like FLAC or ALAC |
| 14:55.52 | Dagmar | Not sure there would be much point in usind DTS for two-channel music |
| 14:56.43 | VIad | the biggest issue with music is the hardware when the user is listening to it :( |
| 14:56.58 | VIad | ideally encode the music properly without bias from your headset and such when you make it |
| 14:57.07 | VIad | then have the user actually get proper headsets :P |
| 14:57.09 | Dagmar | *jawdrop* |
| 14:57.20 | Dagmar | without bias _from your headset_? |
| 14:57.26 | VIad | like too much bass |
| 14:57.40 | Dagmar | You're not one of those people who wraps a pair of headphones around a mic with a rubber band are you? |
| 14:57.42 | VIad | because the headset maker figured people love bass and boosted it without any notification to the user |
| 14:57.59 | Dagmar | Ah okay |
| 14:58.02 | VIad | lol |
| 14:58.18 | VIad | no I just like quality headsets that don't manage the EQ for me and assuming what balance I like ;D |
| 14:58.30 | Dagmar | Most people's listening gear appears to fall into the "doesn't suck" range if they care |
| 14:58.32 | VIad | I prefer to fix the EQ on the OS or player if I want more bass |
| 14:58.48 | VIad | not sure of the name, but there is a popular brand of headsets people buy |
| 14:58.53 | VIad | the logo looks like Q or something |
| 14:59.05 | Dagmar | I have a amp & pre-amp warmmup track aaround here somewhere that's handy |
| 14:59.24 | VIad | they seemed to be full of bass boosts since the main usage was radio and radio stations usually lack a lot of bass |
| 14:59.27 | Dagmar | Generally if you can listsen to it and it doesn't sound like it's getting louder or quieter in parts you're good |
| 14:59.49 | Dagmar | VIad: You mean Beats maybe? |
| 14:59.54 | VIad | hmm probably yes |
| 15:00.01 | VIad | yes it's beats :P |
| 15:00.03 | VIad | upsidedown Q |
| 15:00.11 | Dagmar | Yeah they're for people who want to advertise that they get their audio expertise from reading advertisements |
| 15:00.30 | Dagmar | They're basically $80 headphones being sold at a $250 price point. |
| 15:00.42 | Dagmar | Not fucking worth the money when there are better headphones out there. |
| 15:00.57 | VIad | but they look kool |
| 15:01.05 | Dagmar | I have pirate skulls on mine and they're wireless. |
| 15:01.43 | VIad | :d |
| 15:01.49 | Dagmar | My casual-use headphones are Motorola S305. If I care, I still have the last set of highish end Sony earmuffs |
| 15:02.01 | VIad | does your vibrate a little when there is a lot of bass in the music? |
| 15:02.06 | Dagmar | They were $200 headphones I got on sale |
| 15:02.30 | Dagmar | The headset shoudln't vibrate unless a) it's badly designed or b) you're trying to go deaf |
| 15:03.02 | Dagmar | If you're talking about something that can make them creep across the desk, it's a proble |
| 15:03.03 | Dagmar | m |
| 15:03.25 | VIad | hehe, no |
| 15:03.36 | VIad | it's not a problem |
| 15:04.02 | VIad | just the speakers vibrate a little physically when the bass is really loud |
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| 15:04.13 | VIad | I don't usually listen to such high volumes ofcourse |
| 15:04.16 | Dagmar | Ah that's probably fine (but bad for your ears at that level) |
| 15:04.47 | VIad | the steelseries sibera headset headphones are more speakers, like small speakers :P |
| 15:05.08 | VIad | not quite like the old headsets with their small speakers |
| 15:05.11 | VIad | tiny* |
| 15:05.27 | Dagmar | Larger diaphragms make it a bit easier to get more range out of 'em |
| 15:05.32 | VIad | yes |
| 15:05.35 | VIad | I love range :) |
| 15:06.23 | Dagmar | I gotta have range. |
| 15:06.31 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/GiO2DDV |
| 15:06.46 | zenzio | I don't have very good sound quality perception, so I bought a 3D gaming headset instead. Slightly fancy one at least |
| 15:06.47 | Ressy | lol |
| 15:06.50 | VIad | 30k or 38k upper range, Dagmar? |
| 15:07.07 | Dagmar | VIad: Both frequency and volume. |
| 15:07.21 | VIad | many headsets go up to 30k, and others go up to 38k |
| 15:07.22 | Dagmar | VIad: I have some things by Autchre and particularly Plastikman |
| 15:07.48 | Dagmar | Some of their damn tracks are nothing but noises on the level of a pin being dropped in an echo chamber |
| 15:08.03 | Dagmar | ...coupled with the occasional sound only dogs can hear |
| 15:09.07 | Dagmar | Many headsets claim they go to 30k |
| 15:09.13 | Dagmar | key word: claim |
| 15:09.22 | Dagmar | I can hear about that far on most days |
| 15:09.36 | Dagmar | ...so basically, I don't give a fuck as long as they get close |
| 15:15.25 | Dagmar | plots to destroy some AD admins |
| 15:15.52 | Dagmar | wtf. 'dhcp.xx.organization.edu' is in the @#$@ search path. I am 100% certain we are not using that domain here. |
| 15:16.14 | Dagmar | They are just typing shit into boxes at random and hoping things work, I swear |
| 15:18.07 | mikma | http://www.engadget.com/2014/01/06/ibuypower-sbx/?ncid=rss_truncated |
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| 15:27.43 | g0urra | anyone here using Raptr? |
| 15:38.20 | karl_w_w | okay guys I believe I have decided, anyone know a reason I shouldn't buy one of these? http://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-27EA63V-P-led-monitor |
| 15:40.24 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/U45Op |
| 15:42.08 | mitch0 | karl_w_w: lg, 16:9 |
| 15:42.49 | karl_w_w | I'm not going to pay for 16:10 and I haven't heard bad things about LG |
| 15:45.54 | Dagmar | Any particular reason for the 16:10 hate? |
| 15:46.21 | TC-Work | Because it is 1080P and not 1440P |
| 15:46.37 | Dagmar | You have 1440p media? |
| 15:46.57 | mitch0 | it's a monitor, not a TV |
| 15:47.00 | TC-Work | It says monitor, not TV |
| 15:47.56 | Dagmar | Yeah the lack of a tuner was kind of a giveaway... Still, I've no idae why you'd refer to it as xxxxP unless there was media involved. |
| 15:48.25 | Dagmar | I'd have a bigger concern about the fact that it doesn't do landscape, personally |
| 15:48.37 | Dagmar | Landscape gets handy when you finally go multi-monitor |
| 15:48.51 | TC-Work | Shorter than typing out the full resolution |
| 15:49.24 | pompy | TC-Work: http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/minor-earthquake-shakes-western-los-angeles-area-21415399 |
| 15:49.26 | pompy | feel it? |
| 15:49.37 | TC-Work | Nope |
| 15:49.39 | pompy | im in jersey and i may have just felt one, unsure though |
| 15:49.40 | TC-Work | Not big enough |
| 15:50.45 | nevcairiel | with 27" the problem is that they dont actually make 16:10 screens |
| 15:50.46 | pompy | 3.2 in soledad, ca 45 mins ago |
| 15:51.32 | pompy | "United States has had: 888 earthquakes today" |
| 15:51.53 | karl_w_w | I don't hate 16:10 Dagmar, I just haven't won the lottery lately |
| 15:52.19 | Dagmar | you're looking at a 27" display. It's going to cost about $375 or so |
| 15:52.43 | Dagmar | You could maybe find one on sale somewhere |
| 15:55.52 | mitch0 | Kalroth: get some more moneys and buy this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824260111 |
| 15:56.02 | mitch0 | d'oh |
| 15:56.05 | mitch0 | karl_w_w: ^^ |
| 15:56.05 | Dagmar | You've got yer ranges of basically, 24", 27", and 32" displays, and going over 1920x1080 is going to incur a price premium at any size |
| 15:56.28 | nevcairiel | going over 24 and not going higher resolution would be just stupid |
| 15:56.58 | Dagmar | I don't know about calling it stupid, but i'm generally fine with multiple 24" displays |
| 15:57.18 | Dagmar | Gimme three of those and I'm set |
| 15:57.31 | Dagmar | Normally I just use two |
| 15:57.41 | VIad | nothing is good enough when compared to http://www.komplett.no/asus-315-4k-led-pq321qe/793064 |
| 15:57.45 | karl_w_w | i wish mitch0 :P |
| 15:59.24 | Dagmar | Oh it's trash... Doesn't actually have 4096 pixels |
| 15:59.26 | Dagmar | heh |
| 15:59.45 | nevcairiel | you wont find a consumer screen with that |
| 15:59.47 | VIad | am I silly if I want a http://www.komplett.no/wireless-mini-keyboard-with-touchpad/770430 ? |
| 16:00.29 | Dagmar | yes becuse they make them in better formats than "giant kidney bean" |
| 16:00.40 | Dagmar | ...although if you're into that shape go for it |
| 16:02.00 | Dagmar | I was looking into rather a large number of those kinds of thigns last month for media center stuff |
| 16:02.20 | VIad | not sure what to call a keyboard and mouse made to be used as a remote :P |
| 16:02.22 | Dagmar | There's even one running around that's keyboard on one side and giant touchpad on the ther |
| 16:02.24 | Dagmar | er otehr |
| 16:03.29 | Dagmar | VIad: There's a half-dozen different types/styles in Amazon because people buy stuff like the mk808 or the g-box for watching media, but it's an Android device so it's easier to use when there's a keyboard around... |
| 16:04.07 | Dagmar | ...and having a hand-sized remote that happens to have a keyboard and touchpad on it (for occasional use) turns out to be a fairly handy solution. |
| 16:04.13 | VIad | hmm |
| 16:04.17 | VIad | but I got a raspberry pi :D |
| 16:04.21 | VIad | with media center on it |
| 16:05.13 | pompy | welp, delay #10000000 https://www.facebook.com/OrbitalSciencesCorp/posts/10152115642425479?stream_ref=10 |
| 16:05.29 | VIad | extreme solar activity? |
| 16:05.36 | pompy | thats what they said |
| 16:05.36 | Dagmar | VIad: It'll take a bluetooth dongle |
| 16:06.01 | VIad | http://www.komplett.no/rikomagic-mk702ii-multifunction-keyboard/780583#!tab:info |
| 16:06.56 | Dagmar | VIad: A pretty nice model |
| 16:07.05 | VIad | unsure how the mouse works though |
| 16:07.15 | VIad | no mousepad hmm |
| 16:07.18 | VIad | but has L/R buttons |
| 16:07.23 | Dagmar | Probably the button in the center of the keyboard acts as a mouse nipple |
| 16:07.28 | Dagmar | *Probably* |
| 16:07.32 | VIad | I keep reading "air mouse" |
| 16:07.34 | VIad | no clue what it is |
| 16:08.02 | Dagmar | Technically it's a mouse you can wave in the air, but for some damn reason the asians have taken to calling any multifunction remote an air mouse |
| 16:08.05 | Dagmar | I have no idea why |
| 16:08.36 | Dagmar | Probably requires a viewpoint that the specialness is that it's got a pointer you don't have to push it against a desk to use |
| 16:09.09 | pompy | http://www.decodedscience.com/vanuatu-persian-gulf-and-the-big-freeze-earthquakes-january-2014/41362 "frost quakes" |
| 16:11.36 | VIad | seems like you control the mouse by waving the remote, Dagmar |
| 16:12.21 | Dagmar | That could go badly |
| 16:12.30 | VIad | yeah |
| 16:12.56 | Dagmar | I've got that sonic screwdriver from ThinkGeek, and it requires rather gentle treatment if you don't want the TV going insane |
| 16:13.06 | VIad | lol |
| 16:13.22 | VIad | isn't the sonic screwdriver just supposed to read your mind when you push the button? |
| 16:13.54 | Dagmar | Well, considering what I eventually did to it... it's probably best I have to point it at things. |
| 16:14.09 | Dagmar | It has 63 different TV off codes loaded |
| 16:14.30 | Dagmar | ...and vol+/vol- for my stereo. |
| 16:14.31 | VIad | if voice tech gets better we just gotta do "youtube <query>" |
| 16:14.46 | Dagmar | VIad: Tap the hardware button on your phone twice |
| 16:14.55 | VIad | then you see a grid of results and you say "play #" or "next"/"prev" |
| 16:14.58 | VIad | hehe |
| 16:15.03 | VIad | I mean't as a remote :P |
| 16:15.04 | Dagmar | Google Now pretty much gets you there |
| 16:15.07 | VIad | for your tv or media center |
| 16:15.20 | nevcairiel | recent samsung tvs have voice control, iirc |
| 16:15.23 | VIad | NFC for handshake then your phone acts like remote |
| 16:15.31 | Dagmar | I haven't tried to see if I can voice command it to send stuff to the Chromecast yet |
| 16:16.38 | VIad | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004VPXLDI/ ? |
| 16:18.00 | Dagmar | No, the confusion you are experiencing is normal. That's a sorry excuse for a touchpad. |
| 16:18.41 | VIad | what about http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003YKDDYS/ ? |
| 16:20.23 | Dagmar | Oh that's a cute one |
| 16:20.50 | VIad | what about http://www.amazon.com/FE01-BL-Wireless-Keyboard-Mouse-Touchpad-Black/dp/B003UE52ME ? |
| 16:25.19 | VIad | should I go for it Dagmar http://www.merimobiles.com/2-4g-ultra-mini-wireless-keyboard-with-touchpad_p/meri0439.htm ? |
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| 16:25.45 | Dagmar | That Amazon one is my favorite form-factor at the moment, but that it comes with it's own dongle makes me want to do research first |
| 16:26.12 | VIad | my usage area is basically something that uses USB |
| 16:26.34 | VIad | 2.4g usb dongle to act like regular keyboard/mouse device |
| 16:26.57 | VIad | problem with these, they dont got proper names, all chinese made :D |
| 16:27.00 | Dagmar | yeah, *most* of the time these things will pretend to be relatively normal mouse and keyboard setups |
| 16:28.52 | VIad | can barely find any in norway |
| 16:28.56 | VIad | because not sure what to search for :P |
| 16:29.29 | VIad | logitech |
| 16:29.30 | Dagmar | A mandarin primer maybe |
| 16:29.31 | VIad | http://cdon.no/elektronikk/logitech/logitech-wireless-touch-keyboard-k400-nordic-p17454332 |
| 16:29.50 | Dagmar | There are very few US-based companies making innovative gadgets anymore because of all the fucking patent trollery |
| 16:29.53 | VIad | problem is it's logitech and it's not bluetooth :( |
| 16:30.13 | VIad | might not work on linux, raspberrypi, e.g. |
| 16:30.38 | Dagmar | Umm.. no, Logitch is really good about that sort of thinga ctually |
| 16:30.51 | VIad | I just looked at their OS requirements |
| 16:31.09 | Dagmar | Dude their "unifying reciever" is a USB plug |
| 16:31.23 | VIad | sure but drivers :< |
| 16:31.24 | Dagmar | It'll look like a pair of normal HID devices when plugged in |
| 16:31.34 | Dagmar | You won't need any more drivers than usual |
| 16:32.17 | VIad | I like it |
| 16:32.20 | Dagmar | None of the "big names" are fucking around with non-comlpiant devices nowadays because it always winds up being a hassle for part of the customer base |
| 16:32.22 | VIad | but rather large, hehe :3 |
| 16:32.31 | Dagmar | It's an attractive keyboard |
| 16:32.42 | VIad | had more portable in mind, so still looking |
| 16:34.28 | VIad | looking at http://www.riiminikeyboards.com/ atm |
| 16:34.49 | Dagmar | Holy shit I was trying to find that site |
| 16:35.24 | Dagmar | Those keyboards were being marketed under a bunch of different names and vendors |
| 16:35.29 | VIad | not sure if bluetooth is better, maybe it is, but I prefer usb to make it act as a HID |
| 16:35.49 | VIad | this way I know for sure it will work with my computer and raspberrypi |
| 16:37.00 | VIad | I love Amazon |
| 16:37.19 | VIad | each time I try to buy ANYTHING I get "We're sorry. This item can't be shipped to your selected destination." |
| 16:37.26 | VIad | because fuck you that's why |
| 16:37.56 | VIad | I use amazon to look up then try to buy directly from the company, they usually ship worldwide |
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| 16:46.03 | VIad | friend coming over - time to get rid of the nasty tabs on the browser |
| 16:46.18 | jleclanche | Kalroth: http://satwcomic.com/everything-is-fine |
| 16:46.50 | Kalroth | :D |
| 16:46.52 | Kalroth | it's true! |
| 16:47.00 | Kalroth | wait |
| 16:47.02 | Kalroth | no it's not |
| 16:49.22 | VIad | cba to visit wowhead each day so I'll make an app on my phone for it :P |
| 16:49.48 | VIad | simple login POST should do it I reckon |
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| 17:05.19 | Lopeppeppy | Unkle, I think the Grand Boss is being blackmailed. *serious nod* |
| 17:06.41 | Unkle | You must have peeeeekturz. |
| 17:07.12 | TC-Work | No, it's because Lopeppeppy is the one doing it. |
| 17:07.59 | Lopeppeppy | We got a new employee today with no resume review process, no interview process, no actual job title, no desk or phone arranged in advance. Either she's an alien love child or he's being blackmailed. :) |
| 17:08.37 | TC-Work | We have that as well. It's someone from our parent company. |
| 17:08.59 | Unkle | Nepotism - it's what's for breakfast. |
| 17:10.19 | Fisker | blackmails Lopeppeppy |
| 17:13.34 | Lopeppeppy | I wouldn't mind so much if it hadn't taken us 3 months to hire our programmer... *sigh* I'm sure we'll figure out some work, but FFS, a desk and computer have to requisitioned, that takes time. She'll be in a folding chair for 2 weeks. |
| 17:15.27 | Unkle | Alas. Folding chairs. |
| 17:16.58 | Lopeppeppy | Sit your butt in one for 8 hours and see what you think. :P |
| 17:19.01 | Unkle | Lopeppeppy: Um, I did mention my home has almost zero furniture? |
| 17:19.11 | alestane | I actually prefer hard chairs, but I'm weird. Also part of the reason I like them is because they discourage me from sitting too much. |
| 17:19.21 | Lopeppeppy | I know, Unkle. *big hug* |
| 17:19.58 | Unkle | I did finally get carpet though, so now I can actually use the bedroom again ... which means I have room to get furniture for the living room. |
| 17:20.10 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: https://steamcommunity.com/groups/steamuniverse/discussions/1/648816742354224056 |
| 17:20.14 | jleclanche | valve fixing everyone else's shit |
| 17:21.56 | Unkle | Valve - doing this shit up right, 'cause everyone else didn't give a shit. |
| 17:25.50 | Primer | How is that "fixing everyone else's shit"? |
| 17:26.04 | Lopeppeppy | *gigglesnark* Carpet. |
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| 17:51.24 | Silvanas | what has become of the internet these days :/ |
| 17:52.32 | Silvanas | you have tobe an expert to get a file out of sites like uploaded.net without installing zillions of spyware and registering / paying to 2 or 3 sites |
| 17:53.35 | Unkle | People found out that bandwidth, hosting, and technical expertise costs real money and they're desperate to make some of it. |
| 17:55.32 | Silvanas | it now apearntly got to downlaod a critical javascript update from java-save.com, due to some clever hacking its imposable to close the page as it will keep giving popups |
| 17:56.09 | Silvanas | showing advertisements, i cna live with, opening popups, oke i can live with that but then atleast let me normalty close the window |
| 17:56.11 | Unkle | Are you sure you don't have other malware already installed? |
| 17:56.13 | TC-Work | never impossible |
| 17:56.31 | Silvanas | well yeh i can dtop the process :D |
| 17:57.06 | Silvanas | thing closing triggers a modal dialog, where they say "stay on my page" or something like that |
| 17:57.30 | Silvanas | and yes i am pretty sure i already got malware, this pc been running on the internet for > year now lol |
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| 17:59.33 | Silvanas | i know my way around the internet but costantly i get calls from family members anout thier pc acting weird, and whne i look it, its full of mallware, they even can get normal google anymore |
| 17:59.47 | Silvanas | there no way i can teach them what is save and not save to click |
| 18:00.18 | Kaylin | Silvanas you and me both. |
| 18:01.12 | Unkle | The computers of family members are fraught with peril. |
| 18:07.01 | alestane | http://xkcd.com/763/ |
| 18:27.51 | Silvanas | nice one |
| 18:28.11 | Silvanas | had soemthing similar when i had my mom email me a pdf that was attacked to an different mail :D |
| 18:41.40 | Fisker | what carpet Lopeppeppy? |
| 18:43.18 | Lopeppeppy | *gigglesnark* If you don't know I refuse to elaborat.e |
| 18:43.24 | TC-Work | Unkles carpet |
| 18:44.21 | TC-Work | Which may or may not match the drapes....know one knows anymore. |
| 18:44.35 | TC-Work | no one* |
| 18:45.14 | Unkle | ... |
| 18:45.35 | Unkle | I think I'll answer the same way Felicia Day did, "You will NEVER know." |
| 18:45.47 | TC-Work | Is that because you are bald? |
| 18:49.39 | Lopeppeppy | is innocent! |
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| 18:51.24 | Unkle | Lopeppeppy: Innocent of a particular crime perhaps. In general? Not so much. |
| 18:51.34 | Lopeppeppy | I play one on TV. |
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| 18:56.55 | Fisker | But we need to know |
| 18:56.58 | Fisker | for science |
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| 19:01.16 | mikma | http://newsok.com/article/3921864 |
| 19:01.24 | mikma | don't fook with the wedgieman |
| 19:02.58 | Ackis | http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/edmonton/Puck+drops+Friday+minor+hockey+week/9360803/story.html |
| 19:03.19 | Ackis | Cairenn, Torhal, Kaelten, Ressy, Seerah, peppy (who isn't on!) et al. ^ |
| 19:03.35 | Torhal | Ackis: Hmm? |
| 19:04.10 | Torhal | Oh, I found Pasula in there. Makes sense now. |
| 19:04.19 | Torhal | Aaaah |
| 19:04.25 | Torhal | Cool, man. |
| 19:05.59 | Seerah | :D |
| 19:07.31 | Ackis | Torhal: Zach Turner is my nephew, it was his dad who died 2ish years ago |
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| 19:10.49 | Torhal | Ackis: Yah, figured it out after I did more than skim. |
| 19:11.01 | Torhal | At first I was like "Why is he showing me a hockey thing?" |
| 19:11.17 | Ackis | first answer is a) I'm Canadian |
| 19:11.19 | Seerah | Um... because hocky is awesome. |
| 19:12.33 | Ackis | that could be #2 |
| 19:18.33 | TC-Work | Hocky is OK. |
| 19:18.41 | Unkle | Seerah is right. Hockey is AWESOME. |
| 19:19.12 | Seerah | Oops, just noticed I missed an e. >< Stupid one-handed typing while I eat. :p |
| 19:19.32 | Unkle | nom nom nom |
| 19:19.46 | Ackis | Seerah: you have ops, why wasn't he kicked? :P |
| 19:19.48 | TC-Work | It's ok, Food > Typing. |
| 19:20.02 | Seerah | :) |
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| 19:34.39 | pompy | jeez https://www.facebook.com/StaffordTownshipPoliceDepartment/posts/620688711323629?stream_ref=1 |
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| 19:54.01 | Lopeppeppy | Pompy, my question is why they described that in such detail! |
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| 20:36.33 | zenzelezz | I wish I understood audio better. I would have expected better results with 8 channels rather than 2/4, and for the most part I do... but some music/voices sound distant and echo-y |
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| 20:38.50 | Neffi | I dont understand why more channels would be better |
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| 20:41.27 | Fisker | it's hot Lopeppeppy |
| 20:44.54 | Lopeppeppy | It's hot here too Fisker. But I have a fever, so what do I know? |
| 20:45.26 | Fisker | you shouldn't be working with a fever |
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| 20:55.00 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: did you see the news article I linked on facebook!?!?! :D |
| 20:57.14 | Lopeppeppy | Um. New server thingie? |
| 20:58.09 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, I'm not contagious unless you kiss me. |
| 20:58.26 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: nein! http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/edmonton/Puck+drops+Friday+minor+hockey+week/9360803/story.html |
| 20:58.34 | Ackis | Fisker doesn't kiss humans |
| 20:58.44 | Fisker | I don't kiss |
| 20:59.38 | Lopeppeppy | That's pretty cool, Ackis. Kidthingie worked hard to get that. |
| 21:00.26 | Fisker | also you're super contagious Lopeppeppy |
| 21:00.35 | Fisker | I'm getting sick as we soak |
| 21:00.38 | Fisker | err |
| 21:00.41 | Fisker | speak |
| 21:00.52 | Lopeppeppy | Alestane hasn't caught me yet, and he tries a lot. |
| 21:02.44 | Fisker | oh so we finally get the reason for your poor hips before Christmas |
| 21:03.04 | Fisker | alestane couldn't even catch |
| 21:10.43 | Lopeppeppy | Butterfingers, that's his middle name. |
| 21:15.15 | Fisker | he doesn't even have a last name |
| 21:15.26 | alestane | I probably don't even exist! |
| 21:15.38 | Fisker | exactly |
| 21:19.22 | Lopeppeppy | You do too exist, I've hugged you. |
| 21:19.43 | Lopeppeppy | My dinner order, "Euthanasia on a stick." |
| 21:20.05 | Fisker | oh so now I don't exist :( |
| 21:21.28 | Lopeppeppy | Screenshot of someone else hugging you will work. |
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| 21:24.42 | Fisker | so basically I don't exist ;( |
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| 21:29.21 | Amarande | Hrm. WTB LOTRO's loot feature. Especially when I'm playing a ranged class ... :S |
| 21:29.34 | Dagmar | Get yerself a hunter |
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| 21:29.40 | Dagmar | I gots me a fetch button |
| 21:29.56 | Amarande | Dagmar: in LOTRO you don't even need that anymore, you automatically receive the loot from a mob on death, even if you killed it at range |
| 21:30.10 | Dagmar | Hmmmm |
| 21:30.34 | MiRai | The same with FFXIV |
| 21:30.39 | Amarande | I sure wish WoW and SW:TOR had that. |
| 21:30.42 | Ackis | there's times when I wish I had a nail on my desk so I could head desk onto the nail |
| 21:30.48 | Amarande | Like I said, especially when I play a ranged class. |
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| 21:45.46 | Cairenn | hugs Ackis |
| 21:47.06 | Fisker | fades out like in back to the future |
| 21:47.24 | nevcairiel | i'm sure we can set that up for you Ackis |
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| 22:10.13 | Semlar | neffi i figured out the "interface action failed" was being caused by calling SetAttribute on the nameplates (even though this doesn't appear to have any affect on anything) |
| 22:10.33 | Neffi | yeah, you can't change attributes in combat |
| 22:10.50 | Semlar | well, evidently i can because it still functioned correctly |
| 22:11.06 | nevcairiel | no you can't, your code must've coped somehow :P |
| 22:11.21 | Semlar | i think it's because nameplates aren't like normal protected frames |
| 22:12.22 | Semlar | anyway replacing the worldframe wasn't what was throwing that error, it was from SetAttribute |
| 22:14.01 | Semlar | is there any way to determine what "interface action" failed when that happens |
| 22:14.38 | Silvanas | think there is |
| 22:14.38 | Neffi | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:14.52 | Silvanas | yeh that adds a hard to read log :D |
| 22:14.58 | Neffi | I believe N=1 does normal logging and N>1 does more verbose logging |
| 22:15.06 | Silvanas | yes it does |
| 22:15.31 | nevcairiel | there is only 2 anyway, and 11 in debug builds of WoW (beta/ptr) |
| 22:15.50 | nevcairiel | 1&2 i mean |
| 22:15.59 | Silvanas | you mean /console taintlog 11 ? |
| 22:16.17 | nevcairiel | note that the log is really unreadable, you should get an addon that simply catches errors in game and shows them to you |
| 22:16.21 | nevcairiel | like buggrabber/bugsack |
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| 22:16.41 | Neffi | It's possible to catch "interface action failed" info in-game? |
| 22:17.47 | nevcairiel | of course |
| 22:18.49 | Neffi | News to me |
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| 22:19.59 | Amarande | hm, doesn't anything like that usually trip a BugSack report? |
| 22:20.10 | nevcairiel | there is two events, ADDON_ACTION_BLOCKED and ADDON_ACTION_FORBIDDEN which fire for different things |
| 22:20.16 | Semlar | bugsack is essentially unusable for me because i have no minimap buttons |
| 22:20.34 | Amarande | Semlar: I usually have my bugsack tied to a bazooka broker bar rather than the minimap, anyways |
| 22:20.35 | Stanzilla | no LDB display either? |
| 22:20.59 | Amarande | though the real problem isn't so much catching addon errors |
| 22:21.14 | Amarande | but rather, trying to figure out which addon is actually at fault, which is so often not the one that actually gets the blame ultimately :S |
| 22:21.16 | Semlar | the only real advantage i ever liked about it was that the stupid blizzard error window was clamped to the screen and couldn't be kept hidden |
| 22:21.38 | nevcairiel | and that it can catch action blocked messages :P |
| 22:22.11 | Amarande | sadly, in my experience, usually addon A taints action X and then addon B gets blamed for it somewhere down the line :| |
| 22:22.19 | Semlar | i'm fairly sure addon_action is not the same as interface action failed |
| 22:22.35 | Semlar | those events are for like if my addon tries to call a protected function |
| 22:23.18 | nevcairiel | which your addon did |
| 22:23.20 | Semlar | they don't fire when i call SetAttribute on a nameplate and taint it |
| 22:23.45 | Amarande | no, you rarely get a warning at all when you taint something, which is the real problem :| |
| 22:23.46 | Semlar | they also don't fire when i replace the worldframe with my own frame |
| 22:24.05 | Amarande | you only hear about it later on when you try to use the tainted foo again later and can't :( |
| 22:24.32 | nevcairiel | read the framexml code, the chatframe prints this message when ADDON_ACTION_BLOCKED fires |
| 22:24.37 | Amarande | by which point the addon that did the tainting is snickering in the corner as your unit frames addon once again is claimed to be committing improper actions :P |
| 22:24.44 | nevcairiel | well or MACRO_ACTION_BLOCKED |
| 22:25.39 | nevcairiel | ADDON_ACTION_FORBIDDEN is for really evil stuff when the game brings up the "disables this addon NOAW" popup |
| 22:26.48 | Semlar | why does wowprogramming have ADDON_ACTION_BLOCKED marked as deprecated |
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| 22:48.10 | Neffi | lol http://imgur.com/gallery/7kKUT |
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| 23:54.14 | DJJeff | @Shadowed: can I have SUF show my player on the top left and my (de)buff next to say my minimap addon |
| 23:54.50 | DJJeff | also a general question, is it possible to make a macro with an array of npcid and foreach loop? |
| 23:57.20 | DJJeff | I guess a better way of saying it... have (de)buff anchor to other addons |
| 23:59.42 | Unkle | DJJeff: You'd be better off using a dedicated AddOn for your buffs/debuffs. |
