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| 00:14.14 | zenzelezz | Saturday nights; when you and your friend Captain Morgan sit alone in Teamspeak singing parody songs, while playing random games |
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| 00:38.21 | karl_w_w | that scary moment when you log in to a website and hope the shopping cart which took you half an hour to fill sticks |
| 00:38.35 | karl_w_w | fillcomma |
| 00:44.01 | Shirik | let me just say |
| 00:44.09 | Shirik | today I learned about this magical thing in excel, command+shift+enter |
| 00:44.13 | Shirik | and it blew my mind |
| 00:44.39 | Shirik | I don't know where they came up with the terrible idea of having two different types of formulas exist in Excel, but I'm glad they did |
| 00:45.55 | zenzelezz | oh, padawan |
| 00:46.04 | zenzelezz | once you come of age, you'll discover the remaining two |
| 00:46.08 | Shirik | what |
| 00:46.25 | Shirik | I'm still wrapping my head around what I just did :P |
| 00:51.11 | karl_w_w | what is this "command" |
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| 00:53.25 | Semlar | it's a secret key only apple users can see |
| 00:54.55 | zenzelezz | Ctrl+Amiga ftw |
| 00:55.37 | Shirik | whatever happened to the apple key? |
| 00:56.24 | zenzelezz | isn't that the monument key? |
| 00:56.31 | Neffi | meta? |
| 00:56.34 | Shirik | the what key? |
| 00:56.36 | Semlar | i thought the apple key was the command key |
| 00:56.47 | Shirik | no I thought there was an apple key and a command key |
| 00:56.50 | Shirik | because they had two different symbols |
| 00:56.59 | Neffi | I think so, Shirik |
| 00:57.03 | Semlar | what's this then http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Apple_key.jpg |
| 00:57.14 | Iriel | Shirik: it morphed into the command key |
| 00:57.17 | Shirik | apparently they just put the two symbols on the same key |
| 00:57.21 | Iriel | Shirik: for a while they had both symbols, yeah |
| 00:57.25 | Neffi | hmm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command_key |
| 00:57.53 | Neffi | So it's essentially the Windows/meta key on a regular keyboard? |
| 00:58.21 | Shirik | well it functions like the ctrl key would on most windows applications |
| 00:58.24 | Shirik | like copy is command+c |
| 00:58.36 | Neffi | Sorry, the Windows key is the Super key, not the Meta |
| 00:58.46 | Neffi | It turns out there's a shitload of modifier keys |
| 00:58.59 | Neffi | Ctrl, shift, alt, meta, super, hyper, and probably others |
| 00:59.06 | Shirik | don't forget the altgr! |
| 00:59.15 | Shirik | I want a keyboard with an altgr |
| 00:59.19 | Shirik | just so I can say I have one |
| 00:59.26 | Neffi | "There is also Menu, Compose, AltGr, Greek, Front, X and others." |
| 00:59.29 | Neffi | heh |
| 00:59.50 | Shirik | however, having an OS-level key is so critical I don't know why it isn't ubiquitous |
| 01:00.00 | Neffi | I'd rather have a few more modifier keys than Caps Lock and Menu |
| 01:00.00 | Shirik | like having to push ctrl+alt+delete to log into windows is stupid |
| 01:00.01 | Semlar | apparently jobs made them change it from the apple key because he felt it was an over-use of the company logo |
| 01:00.04 | Shirik | there should just be an OS key |
| 01:00.20 | Neffi | Shirik: Are you being ironic? |
| 01:00.25 | Shirik | ? |
| 01:00.43 | Neffi | There's a backstory involving ctrl-alt-delete vs a System key |
| 01:00.49 | Shirik | yes |
| 01:00.59 | Shirik | wait I didn't hear about the system key |
| 01:01.11 | kd3|hate`net | on touch devices there is a hardware login key, or at least a prompt for one |
| 01:01.26 | Neffi | I think it was Gates that wanted to be using a System key, but IBM didn't want to include it, so he gave up and used Ctrl-Alt-Delete instead |
| 01:01.32 | Shirik | I see |
| 01:01.35 | Shirik | I didn't know that |
| 01:01.39 | Neffi | mhmm |
| 01:01.46 | Neffi | People "blame" Gates for that "blunder" |
| 01:01.48 | Shirik | but I mean like linux has the magic sysrq sequence |
| 01:01.54 | Shirik | windows has ctrl+alt+delete |
| 01:02.05 | Shirik | can't we just all agree to make a key that is for the OS and leave it at that |
| 01:02.25 | Semlar | no |
| 01:02.29 | Shirik | IBM doens't get to write the rules anymore |
| 01:02.30 | Neffi | I think it was about having a dedicated key that always invoked a login prompt, for security's sake |
| 01:02.43 | Iriel | There's a difference between a "modifier for the OS to use" and "a key that generates a hard interrupt the OS and ONLY the OS can intercept" |
| 01:03.00 | Iriel | The latter is the whole "System Key' thing |
| 01:03.07 | Neffi | mhmm |
| 01:03.35 | Shirik | I don't know the implementation details behind the sysrq sequence |
| 01:04.22 | Neffi | We should petition the WoW devs to support additional modifier keys like Super, Meta, Hyper, etc |
| 01:04.30 | Neffi | It'd be nice to have more than 3 modifiers for keybindings |
| 01:04.46 | Shirik | I lived my entire life as a healer with only ctrl, alt, shift, and a mouse |
| 01:04.55 | Shirik | and found it way more than adequate |
| 01:05.10 | Shirik | I was even able to secure certain spells to ensure I don't accidentally cast them |
| 01:05.21 | Shirik | like Guardian Spirit was ctrl+alt+shift+middle click |
| 01:05.29 | Shirik | aka the "oh shit" combination |
| 01:05.36 | Neffi | It's always been "enough" for me, but I stringently categorize my keybindings, so even though I don't use every key combination available, 2 of those keys do have a shift+ctrl clause in addition to a shift, ctrl and alt clause |
| 01:05.42 | Neffi | So essentially 5 actions on one key |
| 01:06.03 | Neffi | I don't like doing that, but I'd rather have the action on the same button as like actions, than move it elsewhere |
| 01:07.03 | Shirik | anyway, the real reason I want an OS modifier is because there's a few things in the wild that the OS does that applications interfere with |
| 01:07.14 | Shirik | for example, on windows, to switch keyboards, you push ctrl+caps lock |
| 01:07.23 | Shirik | but an application can monitor and intercept this |
| 01:07.27 | Shirik | and so it doesn't always work |
| 01:07.29 | Neffi | So you want Systemkey+Caps Lock? |
| 01:07.34 | Neffi | Or similar |
| 01:07.36 | Shirik | sure |
| 01:07.45 | Shirik | or surely you all have accidentally engaged sticky keys before |
| 01:07.48 | Neffi | It might be possible to get that working manually if you have a keyboard with an extra key |
| 01:08.00 | Neffi | I believe Windows supports arbitrary key mapping through the registry |
| 01:08.10 | Neffi | Well it does, but I dont know how flexible it is |
| 01:08.13 | Shirik | sure but you get my point |
| 01:08.29 | Shirik | these are things only the OS cares about, and it cares about them across all applications |
| 01:08.34 | Shirik | so it should be immune to things applications do |
| 01:09.14 | Neffi | It's the other way around for me. I find it annoying when the OS has a special use case for certain keys, and I accidentally press them without knowing. I'd be for a system key simply because i wouldn't have to deal with the OS intercepting what I expected to be a valid keybinding in WoW |
| 01:11.28 | Shirik | exactly! |
| 01:11.30 | Shirik | it works both ways |
| 01:11.46 | Semlar | presses neffi's buttons |
| 01:11.51 | Neffi | oh baby |
| 01:12.13 | Semlar | you ctrl+alt+complete me |
| 01:12.25 | Neffi | awww, how romantic |
| 01:12.33 | Torhal | Get a goddamn NAS. |
| 01:12.37 | Torhal | FFs. |
| 01:12.42 | Semlar | i bet i could sell t-shirts |
| 01:12.45 | Neffi | lol |
| 01:12.57 | Neffi | Semlar: you will never Ctrl+Alt+Escape my heart |
| 01:14.09 | Semlar | apparently adding files after patching the mpq has some unexpected results |
| 01:14.22 | Shirik | get a national air space? |
| 01:14.48 | Neffi | Shirik: you work too much |
| 01:25.43 | kd3|hate`net | wow... I boss-level mob with 7,676 health? your standards are slipping, blizz |
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| 01:28.45 | Semlar | mini-boss |
| 01:29.07 | kd3 | not even. it's a quest boss out in the open world. http://wowpedia.org/Captain_Dreadbeard |
| 01:30.53 | Neffi | I don't understand kd3 |
| 01:31.04 | Neffi | He's in Tanaris. His health seems level-appropriate. |
| 01:32.50 | kd3 | I'm complaining about the boss tag. the average named quest mob shouldn't have one of those |
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| 01:39.38 | Neffi | That's a design choice, not an absolute |
| 01:40.16 | Neffi | Boss tag imparts unique mechanics, like guaranteed hit chance of a +3 level mob, making the quest non-negligible to somebody 1-2 levels above it |
| 01:40.33 | Neffi | IMO the boss tag should be used more thoroughly, but that's just my opinion |
| 01:40.51 | kd3 | so... level 90s care about this quest? http://wowpedia.org/Quest:Captain_Dreadbeard |
| 01:41.05 | Neffi | No but a level 48 might |
| 01:41.20 | Neffi | It's still negligible to a level 90 because of the health difference, so I dont see a problem |
| 01:42.00 | Neffi | I'm for the questing experience being challenging and compelling, so if it were up to me things like boss tags would be much more common |
| 01:42.46 | Neffi | I mean, he's a "boss" in the eyes of a level 46, so why should you have the same hit chance against him as a regular level 46 mob? |
| 01:43.19 | kd3 | because hit ceases to matter in 6.0? how much hit did you have before level 60 anyway? |
| 01:43.34 | Neffi | Not much, which makes the boss tag more important |
| 01:43.45 | Neffi | If hit was common, *then* it would be pointless to make him a boss |
| 01:44.55 | Neffi | It's not like these things are absolutes in the field of game design. There's no correct way to design these aspects of games. It's all a matter of decision. |
| 01:45.44 | kd3 | fair enough, I'm just of the opinion that this mob is not something that is traditionally boss-tagged in wow |
| 01:46.31 | Neffi | WoW's mechanics have changed a lot over the years. I agree it's abnormal *for WoW*, but the fact that it's abnormal *isn't* abnormal. |
| 01:46.47 | Neffi | A lot of WoW's content is inconsistent in mechanic, and when you play for a while you come to expect that |
| 01:47.29 | Neffi | Maybe just a single guy did that quest and decided to venture from the norm of how the other developers like to do things |
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| 01:55.16 | Dagmar | Maybe nature isn't consistent |
| 01:56.07 | Dagmar | Why in a fight between an orangutan and an unarmed human, the human's going to get all their limbs ripped off, despits a similarity in size |
| 01:56.55 | Neffi | Selective pressure |
| 01:57.12 | Neffi | Humans don't need to be strong. It's better to be more highly generalized and very smart |
| 02:00.40 | Dagmar | Unless you're trapped in an enclosed space with an angry orangutan |
| 02:02.04 | tz | then it's debatable as to whether that person is very smart |
| 02:03.58 | Dagmar | So perhaps the thing for the next reality show is the addition of an adult orangutang with boundary issues. |
| 02:04.35 | Dagmar | Provided they're all locked in there together, it sounds like reality TV I would watch fervently. |
| 02:07.54 | Neffi | Evolution doesn't forgive your faults |
| 02:08.06 | Dagmar | Maybe the viewers will! |
| 02:08.24 | Neffi | It kills them off so the superior creature can dominate |
| 02:08.26 | Dagmar | The more I think about it the more excited I get at the idea that someone else might have this same idea |
| 02:08.44 | Dagmar | That at some point, a reality show is going to lock a half dozen humans in a house with an adult orangutan |
| 02:08.56 | Dagmar | Particularly if they're stupid people |
| 02:09.16 | Neffi | I hope you live elsewhere |
| 02:09.56 | Dagmar | Just as long as I can watch it on TV |
| 02:10.41 | Neffi | As a producer you might find a lawyer to write up a contract good enough that you won't be liable for criminally negligent homicide (let alone manslaughter), but you're not going to find an insurance company that will let you do this, and without such a company you wouldn't be able to afford the damages and lawsuits |
| 02:11.20 | Dagmar | Oh I imagine Lloyd's would take that bet |
| 02:11.50 | Dagmar | They'll insure fucking lottery tickets |
| 02:11.54 | Neffi | How Jackass got away with it, I still wonder |
| 02:11.55 | Neffi | Because nobody in their right mind outside of whatever MTV uses would back this |
| 02:12.19 | Dagmar | That's the thing that gives me hope |
| 02:12.25 | Neffi | Ever wonder why Mythbusters half asses some of their experiments? Much of the time, their insurance guys literally tell them "if you do this, we leave" |
| 02:12.38 | Dagmar | Oh dude I don't doubt that at ALL |
| 02:12.46 | Amarande | The way human society is overall trending lately? I wouldn't be surprised if eventually we get Hunger Games and Running Man as real shows. :| |
| 02:12.46 | Dagmar | I'm suprsied they got away with building the cannon at all |
| 02:12.55 | Neffi | lol |
| 02:13.11 | Neffi | They usually have professionals on the sidelines, and sometimes fire and ambulances, just in case |
| 02:13.32 | Neffi | It's not like they do all the work themselves. That would be irresponsible. |
| 02:13.42 | Neffi | They're special effects pros, not bomb pros |
| 02:14.02 | Dagmar | Oh dude, they'd be INSANE if they didn't have medics on standby for the kinetic-heavy stuff |
| 02:14.13 | Neffi | (or really any of the stuff) |
| 02:14.29 | Amarande | Neffi: Well, we're talking American insurance companies here. |
| 02:14.36 | Dagmar | I dunno, I think when they were looking into Faraday cages, they could probably give most of the staff the day off |
| 02:14.40 | Amarande | They practically don't want to take a bet on anything unless it's as rigged in their favour as an effing casino game. |
| 02:14.54 | Dagmar | Like, what's the worst that could happen there... "Oh dear. I have somehow trapped myself in a fine, metal mesh bag." |
| 02:15.01 | Dagmar | *rip* |
| 02:15.10 | Neffi | Amarande: putting a bunch of idiots in a room with an angry monkey isn't in the insurance company's favor |
| 02:15.13 | Amarande | Remember, before ObamaCare, they basically rigged health insurance to be such that people who might actually NEED HELP paying their doctor bills were as ineligible as humanly possible :P |
| 02:17.17 | Amarande | Neffi: Sometimes (especially with health, but probably with other cases too, I'm not all *that* familiar with insurance) they pretty much seem like they want all their insurance bets to be as rigged as Ace-Deuce-Jack, though. :P |
| 02:17.48 | Amarande | (Keep in mind, Ace-Deuce-Jack is such an obvious sucker bet that even *casinos* don't carry it, it's practically up there with Three-Card Monte ... LOL) |
| 02:17.57 | kd3 | whee, a green winter hat from galakras |
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| 03:04.35 | kd3 | eesh. both winter hats. damn it, SoO, how about actual loot? |
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| 03:27.34 | Amarande | "I defeated Garrosh and all I got was this stupid T-sh... er, hat!" |
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| 04:23.04 | kullervo | ha |
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| 04:38.33 | pompy | Torhal: hahah awww http://youtu.be/7ac8Sc808AI |
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| 05:29.42 | airtonix | i wanna play: carl on duty: model welfare |
| 05:36.54 | Neffi | Sequel to Black Cops? |
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| 05:45.09 | airtonix | calr on duty: die hard 2 |
| 05:45.16 | airtonix | carlos |
| 05:45.42 | airtonix | gotta love those grandparent bargain gifsts |
| 05:45.51 | airtonix | gifts |
| 05:45.56 | airtonix | or fist gifts |
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| 06:00.28 | karl_w_w | go home airtonix, you're drunk |
| 06:00.41 | pompy | apparently that one guy in the fight tonight just snapped his leg... no way in hell am i watching that |
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| 06:05.29 | Arrow|phone | So we've been drinking and somebody is now singing travon rhapsody from 4chan |
| 06:07.01 | Neffi | haha |
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| 08:47.55 | Fisker | btw Cairenn your topic is outdated |
| 08:48.08 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://pastebin.com || 5.4.x ToC: 50400 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || Battletags: http://goo.gl/2bm7n || This channel is logged, via purl |
| 08:48.15 | Cairenn | You are correct, it was |
| 08:48.15 | Fisker | coughs |
| 08:48.39 | Fisker | :( |
| 08:50.01 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://pastebin.com || 5.4.x ToC: 50400 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || Battletags: http://goo.gl/2bm7n || This channel is logged, via purl || Happy Birthday Fisker! |
| 08:50.06 | Fisker | \o/ |
| 08:50.08 | Fisker | hugs Cairenn |
| 08:50.17 | Cairenn | hugs the Fisker |
| 08:52.19 | airtonix | ok fun time is over |
| 08:52.32 | airtonix | the regulated amount of fun has been consumed. |
| 08:52.59 | airtonix | no more fun for you |
| 08:53.12 | Cairenn | heh |
| 08:53.15 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/wkj3k2h.gif |
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| 09:19.43 | Maldivia | morning... time to get on the road and go home |
| 09:19.57 | Cairenn | Safe trip |
| 09:21.37 | Maldivia | train, plane and bus... top bad no sailing is required, or all based would have been covered :=) |
| 09:22.25 | Fisker | You can ride an inflatable boat outside the airport |
| 09:23.24 | Maldivia | well, took a bath this morning, guess that'll have to do |
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| 09:51.55 | Arrowmaster | ok im home but my car is not, something with security system is fucked up and it wont start |
| 09:53.13 | Neffi | "So we've been drinking" <- good guy car, breaks at the best time |
| 09:56.50 | Arrowmaster | im completely sober now |
| 09:57.18 | Arrowmaster | last call was midnight and i didnt try to leave till 3:30 |
| 10:09.42 | Arrowmaster | went to a bar lastnight that only serves its own beer that they brew onsite, everything i sampled was great and im not a big beer drinker |
| 10:10.49 | Arrowmaster | was mostly drinking their take on a Belgian Tripel though |
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| 10:15.42 | airtonix | acquired tastes |
| 10:24.32 | zenzelezz | http://fvn.mnocdn.no/siste_artikler/article2529088.ece/ALTERNATES/w980c169/photo%2B3.JPG?updated=291220130031 - oops |
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| 11:08.09 | Icicle | Morning, Evening, or Afternoon wherever you might be. |
| 11:09.34 | zenzelezz | ohai |
| 11:11.30 | Icicle | Hello dere |
| 11:13.10 | Icicle | Anything cool going on? |
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| 11:45.47 | airtonix | http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/16426 |
| 11:52.09 | Icicle | Code Trolling, truly the well is deep.... |
| 11:53.55 | Icicle | Do the points mean anything? Or is it similar to reddit/imgur? |
| 12:05.00 | airtonix | i'm far too busy to explain the birds and the bees to a bambi such as yourself |
| 12:05.09 | airtonix | extremely busy |
| 12:05.12 | airtonix | way too busy |
| 12:05.15 | airtonix | yup yup |
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| 12:22.16 | Icicle | Hearthstone ? :D |
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| 12:53.35 | Fisker | http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/1tvs4w/an_anonymous_donor_is_matching_all_donations_to/cec3sbd |
| 13:17.29 | airtonix | Fisker: so pi = 4 |
| 13:17.46 | airtonix | woopty doo |
| 13:23.27 | rid_ | old Fisker |
| 13:41.34 | haste | ~ugt |
| 13:41.34 | purl | i heard ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 13:41.36 | haste | Icicle: ^ :3 |
| 13:43.14 | Icicle | http://imgur.com/IW8simF |
| 13:43.26 | Icicle | haste ^ ;) |
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| 14:09.06 | karl_w_w | how many cops does it take to change a lightbulb? |
| 14:09.16 | karl_w_w | none, they just beat the room for being black |
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| 15:29.45 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 15:30.02 | karl_w_w | http://i.imgur.com/UmGX0.jpg wut |
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| 15:38.27 | Icicle | that is one scary hamster/gerbil small creature |
| 15:39.39 | nevcairiel | looks like a guinea pig |
| 15:41.06 | airtonix | is that how baby hamsters are made? |
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| 15:54.16 | Maldivia | no, that's how nightmares are made |
| 15:54.34 | Icicle | nightmare hamsters |
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| 16:14.39 | Shirik | Cairenn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYZfcFzcwxo |
| 16:19.03 | Fisker | tactical belly rub maneuver Shirik |
| 16:19.24 | Shirik | o ok |
| 16:19.51 | Fisker | yeah |
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| 16:59.54 | Icicle | any web devs around? |
| 17:00.32 | haste | usually better to just ask your question :) |
| 17:01.15 | Icicle | fair enough |
| 17:02.46 | Icicle | I've got a div element with text in it, and another div element after it with a link + text. I need these 2 smashed together into a single div... any ideas? |
| 17:03.25 | Semlar | are you scraping this or editing an html file |
| 17:03.35 | Shirik | that seems like a really strange statement, considering putting them "inside a div" doesn't really do much |
| 17:03.42 | Shirik | what is your purpose for smashing them together? |
| 17:03.56 | Icicle | its a drupal website |
| 17:03.56 | Fisker | I hey haste'd you haste |
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| 17:04.08 | haste | hey Fisker |
| 17:04.13 | Icicle | I've got a Title for a narticle |
| 17:04.15 | Icicle | er |
| 17:04.16 | Icicle | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:04.21 | Icicle | a body/summary of an article |
| 17:04.26 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 17:04.26 | Icicle | and right after is "Read More..." |
| 17:04.29 | Icicle | which has the link |
| 17:04.33 | Fisker | I heard you like to read the topic |
| 17:04.46 | Icicle | However, the designer wants these 2 things right next to each other |
| 17:04.48 | Icicle | and not on a new line |
| 17:05.04 | haste | display: inline-block ? |
| 17:05.11 | Semlar | you can keep them in separate divs and still display them next to each toher |
| 17:06.01 | Semlar | assuming you can edit the css |
| 17:07.00 | Icicle | I can edit the css @haste trying that inline-block now.... not sure why I think this didnt work before |
| 17:07.37 | Shirik | maybe because you're using IE 8 and for some reason Microsoft was really confused by what inline-block meant |
| 17:07.46 | Shirik | they finally got it right |
| 17:08.06 | Semlar | even with the doctype declared? |
| 17:08.17 | Shirik | I forget when they fixed it |
| 17:08.28 | Shirik | but I remember reading something years ago that basically said "Microsoft is terrible at life" |
| 17:09.20 | Shirik | ah it was IE 7 that had the problem |
| 17:09.32 | Shirik | you had to add "zoom: 1; *display: inline;" to make it work |
| 17:09.52 | Semlar | you could probably use a float or something |
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| 17:10.52 | Shirik | http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/onhavinglayout.html |
| 17:11.09 | Icicle | inline block isnt doing this, not sure why.... |
| 17:11.19 | Semlar | can we see it |
| 17:11.40 | Icicle | not without getting into my company VPN :) but maybe I can figure something |
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| 17:13.48 | haste | you need it on both elements on the line |
| 17:14.27 | Semlar | basically as a block element a div will take up the entire width of its container and push anything else to the next line |
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| 17:16.43 | haste | use the web inspector in chrome/firefox |
| 17:16.45 | Semlar | there could be other elements between them keeping them apart or inside of other block elements |
| 17:16.49 | haste | and see what takes up what space |
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| 17:17.39 | Semlar | or i mean obviously if you have access to edit the html you can just put them in the same div if you want |
| 17:18.52 | Semlar | i'm sure drupal has a theme editor |
| 17:19.47 | Semlar | it's been a long time since i've seen the back of a drupal site |
| 17:21.28 | Icicle | okay coming up for air |
| 17:22.03 | Icicle | no matter how I inline-block, the div will not allow anything to the right of it for now and there is plenty of whitespace from what I can tell. |
| 17:22.26 | Semlar | you gave both of them that display? |
| 17:22.53 | Icicle | gave all of them, its a fieldset within a div, within a div, within a div within a div |
| 17:23.18 | Icicle | both divs reside in the fieldset |
| 17:23.26 | Icicle | and all divs + fieldset inside have the inline block element |
| 17:23.53 | Semlar | does inline-block need a width |
| 17:24.50 | Semlar | it probably assumes the size of its contents |
| 17:25.08 | Icicle | http://imgur.com/LtdzsuE |
| 17:25.13 | Icicle | HTML code |
| 17:25.45 | Semlar | i think headers are actually block elements too |
| 17:26.19 | Icicle | (Getting the CSS is a bit convoluted im afraid) |
| 17:26.57 | Semlar | i would think a block element inside of an inline element would just restrict itself to the width of the parent |
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| 17:27.27 | Semlar | it's hard to say without knowing what all these classes are |
| 17:27.59 | Icicle | yah I realize there isnt much t otroubleshoot on :/ |
| 17:28.39 | Semlar | can you just edit the html in the template? |
| 17:29.05 | Semlar | and move the link into the other div |
| 17:30.05 | Icicle | That'll probably end up being my next attempt, Drupal has it serperated into different blocks and the nstructures it, maybe I can make a new block element with both parts |
| 17:30.31 | Semlar | i would just move the link and delete the old container the link was in |
| 17:31.05 | Icicle | If I can do that trust me I will :) |
| 17:32.02 | Semlar | the id is node_article_featured_group_readmore if that helps you find it in the template |
| 17:34.36 | Icicle | ah yah modifying the css classes is easy enough :) its just not making the changes |
| 17:34.50 | Icicle | Going to look into creating a custom field now using Drupal |
| 17:34.53 | Icicle | see where that gets me |
| 17:35.18 | Semlar | well you might have to do something to publish the changes |
| 17:39.37 | Icicle | sadly if its all on one line its perfectly fine, but once the summary goes multi-line it messed up |
| 17:40.07 | Semlar | with line-block? |
| 17:40.21 | Semlar | inline* |
| 17:40.27 | Semlar | you might just want inline |
| 17:40.30 | Gethe | Semlar: you mention they changed the WMOs in 5.4.2 https://twitter.com/Dave_Maldo/status/417348048574898176 <- relevant |
| 17:40.41 | Icicle | hmm |
| 17:40.59 | Semlar | yeah i think they made changes to the wmo files and that uncovered a bug with how i was patching the files |
| 17:41.32 | Semlar | it's all fixed now though |
| 17:42.05 | Gethe | ah |
| 17:42.53 | Semlar | it affected almost every building in the game so they must have done something pretty extensive |
| 17:45.21 | Semlar | i think this is preparations for garrisons |
| 17:45.42 | Gethe | seems likely |
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| 17:45.59 | Semlar | because the doodads are all the decorations like furniture and objects inside the buildings |
| 17:46.11 | Gethe | yeah |
| 17:46.38 | YammYcoding | hey! anyone knows if i can increase the pet ui frame somehow using ctmod? |
| 17:47.09 | YammYcoding | i mean hunter pet, lock pet.. etc |
| 17:47.39 | Gethe | increase it how? size? visible pet slots? |
| 17:50.26 | YammYcoding | size |
| 17:50.35 | YammYcoding | i can't read the text in it |
| 17:51.19 | Semlar | you can increase the ui scale for everything in the system menu |
| 17:51.34 | YammYcoding | i wish it had the same size as regular frames like my player's |
| 17:51.41 | YammYcoding | i can? is it new? |
| 17:52.04 | Semlar | it's not new, it just scales up all of the ui elements |
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| 17:52.54 | Semlar | if you go into the system menu it's under advanced |
| 17:53.17 | YammYcoding | hmm i tried incread a good piece, but nothing happened |
| 17:53.23 | Gethe | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info19529-nibWindowSize.html i think can scale individual windows |
| 17:53.30 | Semlar | there's a checkbox next to it |
| 17:53.47 | Semlar | although i think you have to have it checked to even change the slider |
| 17:54.06 | YammYcoding | and within ctmod, isn't there any option for this particular ui part? It's not that i wanted to increase everything, the rest is okey |
| 17:54.33 | Semlar | i've never even heard of ctmod so i don't know about that |
| 17:54.47 | Gethe | yeah idk never used it |
| 17:54.58 | YammYcoding | but ctmod is quite old |
| 17:55.01 | YammYcoding | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:55.15 | Semlar | i saw their website, it seems pretty outdated |
| 17:55.35 | kd3 | ctmod's one of the original addon suites |
| 17:55.42 | kd3 | still uses ct_buffmod |
| 17:55.43 | Semlar | they definitely aren't updating it on the addon sites |
| 17:55.46 | YammYcoding | he still updates it i guess |
| 17:56.01 | YammYcoding | it updates at the original ctmod site |
| 17:56.14 | YammYcoding | i guess ctmodaddon.net or something |
| 17:56.23 | Gethe | http://www.ctmod.net/ |
| 17:56.39 | Semlar | he's updating it based on user submitted patches |
| 17:56.47 | Gethe | ^ |
| 17:56.57 | YammYcoding | as long as things works ctmod is okey to me =) |
| 17:56.57 | Semlar | it doesn't sound like they play any more |
| 17:57.39 | Semlar | but i also don't see anything about the window you're talking about in the modules |
| 17:57.55 | Semlar | unless it's part of the core |
| 17:58.29 | YammYcoding | ya :( i'd beat the one who came with this briliant idea to make pet frame smaller! together with the weak mobs smaller frame. :p |
| 17:58.35 | Semlar | if the text is too small it seems like text in other parts of the ui would also be too small |
| 17:59.04 | YammYcoding | the frame itself is like 30% smaller than my player frame. i'd rather have it equal size |
| 17:59.43 | Semlar | i don't think changing the size of the frame itself is going to be very simple |
| 18:00.01 | Semlar | the elements tend to be pretty static |
| 18:00.28 | YammYcoding | the settings ui scale increase did nothing, after i reloaded. |
| 18:00.42 | Semlar | it would have changed the scale immediately after you hit apply |
| 18:00.51 | YammYcoding | weird. did nothing at all |
| 18:01.15 | Semlar | it's possible something is countering your ui scale |
| 18:01.22 | Semlar | to keep everything the same size |
| 18:02.22 | Semlar | either way it just scales everything up or down, it wouldn't let you just make the one frame wider |
| 18:02.39 | YammYcoding | ah dumb me. i forgot to turn on the checkbox. but ya, it's bad side effect the scaling of everything |
| 18:02.49 | YammYcoding | then less things will fit in the screen, it's even worse |
| 18:03.23 | Semlar | it's mostly for if you can't read the text you can scale it up |
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| 18:03.34 | YammYcoding | as they added it recently, i suspect we could turn the change off via some code |
| 18:03.55 | Gethe | im on my hunter now and the pet frame is the same size as my player frame |
| 18:04.05 | Semlar | i'm not even really sure what you're talking about |
| 18:04.10 | YammYcoding | oh it is? hmmm maybe is ctmod culprid for that? |
| 18:04.21 | YammYcoding | leme test |
| 18:04.26 | Gethe | yeah |
| 18:04.39 | Semlar | the unit frame? |
| 18:04.51 | YammYcoding | yaa |
| 18:05.02 | YammYcoding | if it's big on you, then it's some darn addon here >< |
| 18:05.08 | YammYcoding | less than worse :) |
| 18:05.38 | Semlar | well there's a ct_unitframes, presumably that lets you modify it |
| 18:06.28 | Gethe | oh im looking at the stable frame. the pet unit frame was made to be smaller |
| 18:06.48 | Semlar | yeah i wasn't sure what he meant either |
| 18:07.18 | YammYcoding | then i'm confuse, this is supposed to be smaller or normal? |
| 18:07.32 | Semlar | it's definitely smaller than the player's unit frame |
| 18:07.40 | Semlar | i don't remember it ever being the same size |
| 18:07.42 | YammYcoding | hmm disabled unit frames and the pet frame is still smal :( |
| 18:07.55 | YammYcoding | but the guy said his frame is normal |
| 18:07.56 | Gethe | they have an option for a larger focus unitframe. maybe they do for pet also? |
| 18:08.06 | YammYcoding | Gethe said |
| 18:08.24 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:08.41 | Gethe | yup thats it |
| 18:08.42 | YammYcoding | Gethe how your pet frame is not small? |
| 18:09.09 | Gethe | i use realUI so mine isnt stock |
| 18:09.31 | Gethe | wasnt sure what you were referring to |
| 18:09.32 | YammYcoding | realui is like ctmod ? |
| 18:09.35 | YammYcoding | ah |
| 18:09.59 | YammYcoding | then, no way to increase this thing size? i couldn't find an option in ctmod |
| 18:10.16 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:10.20 | YammYcoding | after 10 years, blizz should consider the kids would grow and get bad sight =) |
| 18:10.46 | YammYcoding | see, the pet and party frames are very small ! i can't see those tiny fonts |
| 18:10.53 | YammYcoding | never see if my pet is close to die |
| 18:11.13 | Semlar | well there are tons and tons of unit frame addons that might help |
| 18:11.16 | Gethe | im sure there is a unit frame mod that can get you what you want |
| 18:11.59 | nevcairiel | there is also UI Scale which you can increase |
| 18:12.12 | Semlar | yeah he doesn't want everything scaled up |
| 18:12.22 | YammYcoding | ui scale increases it all which is worse =) |
| 18:12.27 | Semlar | i personally just use the ui scale |
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| 18:12.49 | Semlar | but i play with a pretty stock interface |
| 18:13.26 | nevcairiel | if you have bad sight, one can argue that everything should be increased =P |
| 18:13.28 | YammYcoding | you guys remember of any other old mod that could be messing with the unit frames? |
| 18:13.49 | YammYcoding | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:14.17 | Semlar | it's small by default so it doesn't have to have anything messing with it |
| 18:14.34 | Semlar | does ct_unitframes not let you change how it looks? |
| 18:15.19 | Semlar | size-wise |
| 18:15.32 | YammYcoding | doesn't, only change text types, positions |
| 18:16.04 | Semlar | you could try something like pitbull or stuf to customize the look of things |
| 18:16.20 | YammYcoding | pitbull where? |
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| 18:16.54 | YammYcoding | if that cn replace ctmod seamlessly i'm in! :) |
| 18:17.10 | Semlar | it's just for your unitframes |
| 18:17.28 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:17.46 | Gethe | ct_unitframes only does player, traget, and focus |
| 18:17.54 | Gethe | target* |
| 18:18.01 | YammYcoding | ya! no option for pet :( |
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| 18:19.11 | YammYcoding | wow 48 folders . do i need to install them all really? |
| 18:21.15 | Semlar | presumably just the ones you want to use |
| 18:21.57 | YammYcoding | should i disable ctmod then? |
| 18:22.14 | Semlar | i have no idea |
| 18:22.16 | YammYcoding | naa i guess i will disable the unitframes only. let's see what happens here |
| 18:30.31 | YammYcoding | okey i will try with this pitbull thing. thank you folks |
| 18:30.50 | Semlar | sure |
| 18:32.25 | Shirik | ok web gurus, question for you |
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| 18:33.16 | Shirik | I suck at frontend and want to get a semi-dynamic page up fairly quickly (think very basic "fantasy league" webpage). Any frameworks/engines you recommend? |
| 18:34.16 | Semlar | wordpress? |
| 18:35.16 | Shirik | I thought wordpress was basically for blogging |
| 18:35.35 | Semlar | you can get wordpress to do practically anything |
| 18:37.08 | Semlar | i would say it's probably the most popular CMS so there are a lot of modifications available for it |
| 18:37.37 | Semlar | but there's also joomla and drupal |
| 18:38.00 | Shirik | lmao http://wordpress.org/plugins/leaguemanager/ |
| 18:38.08 | YammYcoding | well the first is wordpress, as it has the biggest comunity and plugins base available |
| 18:38.21 | YammYcoding | hahaha see |
| 18:38.29 | Shirik | ok point taken |
| 18:38.49 | Semlar | >_> |
| 18:40.33 | Semlar | it's good for getting something up quickly |
| 18:42.11 | Shirik | yeah apparently |
| 18:42.12 | Shirik | thanks |
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| 19:00.57 | YammYcoding | hmm does anyone actually uses this pitbull mod? it's acting weird here, when i hit a mob, it shows my pet frame twice, and also the mob twice |
| 19:01.38 | kd3 | pitbull requires a lot of configuration. you may have multiple levels of targeting turned on, such as pettargettarget |
| 19:01.41 | YammYcoding | and also an anoying frame on top of my char with the mob frame again |
| 19:01.59 | YammYcoding | yes i found it very complicated |
| 19:02.24 | YammYcoding | but why in world i would want to see double framed of the mob spread on the screen =) |
| 19:02.31 | kd3 | ./pb, put it in config mode, move stuff aroudn |
| 19:02.40 | YammYcoding | agro mob = 3 mob frames. makes no sense to me |
| 19:03.34 | YammYcoding | then the screen gets clutered with 3 mobs frames, 2 pet frames, repeating itself, and on top of where the partty frames should be, plus in combat i can't move or turn off any frame |
| 19:04.05 | kd3 | don't do it in combat, go to a city. pitbull provides a config mode that turns on all the frames so you can tweak them as you want |
| 19:05.43 | YammYcoding | hmm i'll try that |
| 19:08.04 | YammYcoding | aaah i see, it's the focus target, pet target, target target, i guess i will disable those craps =) |
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| 19:27.39 | Icicle | @ Semlar going from our previous topic, I created a test setup without any drupal fun. Seems this isn't going to suit my purposes, so editing the html is probably the only/best option. |
| 19:30.41 | zenzelezz | reading TV Tropes' page on Prometheus... "Canon Discontinuity: Prometheus apparently ignores the Alien VS Predator films" |
| 19:30.47 | zenzelezz | doesn't everyone ignore the AvP films? |
| 19:31.43 | airtonix | Icicle: Shirik, everything php sucks except laravel. local development? wat lol you need a full apache and mysql server lolololol. fuck that |
| 19:32.02 | airtonix | at least drupal semi supports sqlite |
| 19:32.28 | airtonix | and it has drush... but still it's such a pain in the ass to work with |
| 19:32.40 | Icicle | I spent my masters days doing C# work airtonix :) |
| 19:32.50 | airtonix | oh even that shit sucks |
| 19:32.50 | Icicle | but the person who pays me to eat sleep and play wants php |
| 19:32.52 | Icicle | :) |
| 19:33.11 | airtonix | i mean where are the paas providers for c# web apps? |
| 19:33.29 | airtonix | you've only goot iaas at that point |
| 19:33.39 | airtonix | which means you have to manage the whole damn stack |
| 19:34.04 | airtonix | and i really hate ruby syntax |
| 19:34.11 | Icicle | well like any coding creation you get used to it |
| 19:34.14 | airtonix | so that leaves nodejs and python |
| 19:34.21 | Icicle | python is nice |
| 19:34.34 | Icicle | simple enough syntax wise |
| 19:34.40 | airtonix | no Icicle that's a terrible way to rationalise being kidnapped. |
| 19:34.44 | airtonix | yes python rocks |
| 19:35.18 | Icicle | if the kidnapper pays you lots of money, good with the bad I suppose |
| 19:35.21 | airtonix | flask is pretty nice for a quick web application |
| 19:35.41 | airtonix | Icicle: you must be down with abad case of stockholm |
| 19:36.01 | Icicle | being overseas with student debts will do that |
| 19:36.08 | Icicle | gotta work, gotta pay dem gov't |
| 19:36.35 | airtonix | i have a large aversion to ignorant employers dictating the finer points of things they have no qualifitcation to understand |
| 19:36.58 | airtonix | "we need php" "why?" "We just do!" |
| 19:37.34 | Neffi | I don't think it goes like that airtonix. It's more like "we need php" "why?" "because php devs are a dime a dozen, and one day we're replacing you" |
| 19:37.37 | airtonix | "ok cool, have fun with your php. lol", "no wait you need to code this" "fuck no" |
| 19:38.08 | airtonix | Neffi: well that's when you leave anyway |
| 19:38.21 | airtonix | unless you're looking to create a slave labour market |
| 19:38.25 | Neffi | Not everyone's in that fortunate position |
| 19:38.36 | airtonix | then go work in a fish and chip shop |
| 19:38.39 | Neffi | If I could get a half-decent-paying job doing PHP, I'd do it |
| 19:38.41 | Semlar | i would never leave you neffi |
| 19:38.50 | Neffi | nor I you, sweetems |
| 19:39.02 | airtonix | so bro, much mance |
| 19:39.06 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:39.07 | Neffi | wow |
| 19:39.37 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/GPSsmAk.jpg |
| 19:39.45 | airtonix | Semlar: you're doing something wrong if you need 512mb of ram for an application |
| 19:39.58 | Neffi | Semlar: that looks like Java shit |
| 19:40.05 | airtonix | it's pycharm |
| 19:40.39 | airtonix | oh but not written in python? |
| 19:40.59 | nevcairiel | either written in java, or at least in jython |
| 19:41.28 | nevcairiel | oh, its based on the jetbrains ide, then its java of course |
| 19:41.34 | airtonix | meh, sublimetext3 just powers through a 800mb video file lol |
| 19:41.59 | zenzelezz | there's a 3 now? |
| 19:42.06 | airtonix | has been for a while now |
| 19:42.09 | zenzelezz | hm |
| 19:42.21 | airtonix | you probably won't notice anything different |
| 19:42.39 | airtonix | except all your plugins need to be updated or installed via their st3 branch |
| 19:43.46 | airtonix | anyway Shirik, you should make it a 60 day project to learn angularjs. |
| 19:43.56 | airtonix | 1hr a night do something with it |
| 19:44.22 | airtonix | angularjs, grunt, and requirejs |
| 19:44.57 | Neffi | I'm not sure if I can condone spending 2 months learning something that describes itself as "superheroic" |
| 19:47.20 | airtonix | cool, stick with stehk and huep. |
| 19:47.46 | airtonix | i hear they make great christmas presents |
| 19:48.02 | Neffi | steak and soup? |
| 19:48.11 | airtonix | stick and hoop |
| 19:51.20 | Icicle | HAH! |
| 19:51.29 | Icicle | Solved! |
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| 19:52.03 | Icicle | [Div with Width Another [Div with Inline,] [another div with inline ]] |
| 19:52.31 | Icicle | Inline kills width, and just goes with whatever the parent container's width is |
| 19:55.09 | Semlar | should be the width of its contents |
| 19:55.40 | Semlar | and then wraps to conform to its container |
| 19:57.49 | Maldivia | hmm... the the small patch not too long ago fuck something up with nameplates? |
| 19:58.09 | Semlar | not that i'm aware of |
| 19:58.50 | Maldivia | just updated on my computer now, and all the nameplates are without text now... |
| 19:59.26 | Semlar | someone else was complaining about that a while back |
| 19:59.38 | Semlar | i think it was one of their addons |
| 19:59.54 | Semlar | i'm trying to remember what it was |
| 20:00.04 | Stanzilla | NAMEPLATE_FONT is gone |
| 20:00.09 | kd3 | it breaks nameplate rendering |
| 20:00.11 | Stanzilla | if you/an addon uses that |
| 20:00.16 | kd3 | what else is it supposed to do? |
| 20:00.41 | Maldivia | Stanzilla: ahh... |
| 20:01.28 | Maldivia | Stanzilla: so if you set that, it'll mess them up? |
| 20:01.44 | Stanzilla | probably |
| 20:01.54 | Stanzilla | I was using it somewhere else and had to switch to a different font template |
| 20:01.55 | Maldivia | apparently so -- thanks :) |
| 20:01.58 | Stanzilla | np |
| 20:02.51 | Semlar | is there an instance that contains dalaran, like a scenario or something |
| 20:02.53 | Maldivia | I had an addon that set it to a font-path, instead of FontObject name... that was causing it for me, it seems |
| 20:03.05 | Stanzilla | Semlar: yes |
| 20:03.07 | Maldivia | Semlar: sewers arena? |
| 20:03.27 | kd3 | do the isle of thunder storyline |
| 20:03.28 | Semlar | could be, appears to be an entire copy of dalaran |
| 20:03.34 | kd3 | you get sent to an instanced dalaran during the purge |
| 20:03.45 | Stanzilla | the questline stuff from 5.1 |
| 20:04.07 | kd3 | er, yah, 5.1, not 5.2 |
| 20:04.34 | kd3 | http://wowpedia.org/Operation:_Shieldwall#Quests part 9 at 8900/21000 revered |
| 20:05.32 | Semlar | appears to be in dragonblight |
| 20:06.18 | Semlar | weeeeeell the same instance as dragonblight |
| 20:07.53 | Semlar | it's not too important i just wanted to make sure this was outputting things correctly |
| 20:13.53 | Semlar | oh man this is cool |
| 20:14.28 | Semlar | alright so i managed to mark every door on the map that connects a building to the outside world |
| 20:14.59 | Neffi | chuckles. |
| 20:16.20 | Neffi | I just found out Darwin's kernel is called XNU, for "X is Not Unix", OS X is certified as Unix. |
| 20:16.51 | Neffi | This might confuse somebody that doesn't know the history here |
| 20:17.04 | Neffi | The *nix community is a strange bunch |
| 20:17.28 | kd3 | any community that uses recursive acronyms tends to be that way |
| 20:17.59 | Neffi | XNU isn't a recursive acronym though |
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| 20:19.03 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:19.39 | Neffi | Does Apple still pull in work from (Free/*)BSD after version 7.0, or do they pretty much develop Darwin in its own direction? |
| 20:19.49 | Neffi | (I know they snatched up a few FreeBSD devs a few years ago) |
| 20:20.18 | Semlar | this may need some refining |
| 20:20.53 | Neffi | Move them to color-coded dots and show associated with like-colored lines? |
| 20:22.24 | Semlar | i could show only the closest portal with a given name or something |
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| 20:26.59 | Semlar | anyway after flying around for ten minutes trying to find the entrance to a cave i decided it would be great if you could mark them on the minimap |
| 20:33.59 | Semlar | except there doesn't appear to be a cave here http://i.imgur.com/FXs7QuK.jpg |
| 20:34.56 | kd3 | the big blossom mine cave entrance is further east, closer to the shrines |
| 20:36.17 | Semlar | hmm |
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| 20:40.08 | Semlar | i actually don't have a portal marked for its current entrance |
| 20:42.21 | Semlar | damn, it looks like i can't rely on how i'm determining if a portal is connecting "outside" to "inside" |
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| 20:43.57 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:44.16 | Neffi | "106" nice |
| 20:45.21 | Semlar | i only want entrances |
| 20:46.14 | Neffi | there are portals that are not entrances? |
| 20:46.37 | Semlar | basically every hole in a wmo is a portal |
| 20:47.30 | Semlar | it's hard to explain but you can see the path of the mine tunnels made up of the portals there |
| 20:47.45 | Semlar | because there are multiple "sections" that make up the mine |
| 20:48.13 | Semlar | but only one of the holes leads to the outside world |
| 20:48.49 | Neffi | Ah, I see |
| 20:49.00 | Neffi | So this is probably how they devise the subzone system |
| 20:49.20 | Semlar | i thought i was able to determine whether one side of the portal was flagged as indoors and one side was outdoors but apparently it's not perfect |
| 20:49.41 | Neffi | Is it possible to look specifically for portals that use the swirly colored model? |
| 20:49.51 | Neffi | Or have that placed at the same spot, at least |
| 20:50.20 | Neffi | I think that would cover the vast majority of them, then the rest can be entered by hand |
| 20:50.41 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/8IXeHfW.jpg it gets the shrine okay |
| 20:51.13 | Neffi | Oh, you want every indoor<->outdoor mapping? Not just instanced areas? |
| 20:51.26 | Semlar | portal portals that actually teleport you somewhere i'm fairly sure are actually created by a spell on the server or something |
| 20:51.34 | Semlar | it's not client side at all |
| 20:51.54 | Neffi | Well those should show up in the data or cache files as a dummy server-side script |
| 20:52.03 | Semlar | what i'm mapping out are basically doorways |
| 20:52.07 | Neffi | All spells are acknowledged by the client whether or not handled by it |
| 20:52.23 | Neffi | Tricky indeed |
| 20:52.32 | Semlar | i mean it's not inside the client files |
| 20:53.00 | Neffi | Is there any info suggesting when the engine decides to change the minimap? |
| 20:53.19 | Neffi | Because it has to know when to start displaying the indoor minimap textures, rather than outdoor |
| 20:54.00 | Semlar | well |
| 20:54.55 | Semlar | the chunks that make up a WMO object have flags and i thought i knew which ones were indoors and outdoors at least for mounting purposes but i'm not sure |
| 20:56.01 | Semlar | the "portals" mark the connection between two WMO chunks and i'm checking the flags of both chunks to see if a portal connects outside flags and inside flags |
| 20:56.13 | Semlar | which by the way is a fairly involved process |
| 20:56.31 | Neffi | And imperfect, I gather |
| 20:56.39 | Semlar | meh, clearly i'm missing something |
| 20:57.15 | Semlar | i should export the flags along with the point data so i can see everything associated with each portal |
| 20:57.21 | Semlar | in-game |
| 20:59.04 | airtonix | Semlar: phew, because for a minute then |
| 20:59.12 | airtonix | i thought you meant with pen and paper |
| 20:59.34 | Semlar | well i can print it all out to the console but it's not terribly helpful to see a list of coordinates |
| 21:01.24 | Semlar | i find it strange that it's marking one end of the mine as being open to the outside world but it's possible that i either have the flags wrong or it's phased in which case there isn't much i can do |
| 21:02.25 | Semlar | kd3 do you know if the mine changes based on phases |
| 21:07.15 | kd3 | not that I'm aware of |
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| 21:17.33 | Semlar | i was thinking there should be an addon that tracks every different character a realid friend logs onto and puts it in the tooltip when you hover over them |
| 21:17.52 | Semlar | because i seriously have no idea who some of these people are when they're on alts |
| 21:18.18 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 21:18.26 | Mr_Rabies | that's why i don't do realid with people i don't know IRL, just battletag |
| 21:18.38 | Mr_Rabies | and then i tag them as the name i know as soon as i add them if it's not the same as their btag |
| 21:18.41 | Semlar | i mean battle bag |
| 21:18.50 | Semlar | and realid |
| 21:18.53 | Neffi | yeah, I use the note/tag thing |
| 21:19.00 | Neffi | But that addon shouldnt be hard to whip up |
| 21:19.06 | Icicle | I believe something like that already exists @Semlar |
| 21:19.06 | Mr_Rabies | you could try being less social |
| 21:19.06 | Semlar | no it would be very easy |
| 21:19.20 | Icicle | Friend of mine mentioned it, she was being stalked through some addon that did something similar |
| 21:19.34 | Icicle | can't say I know the details though |
| 21:20.11 | Semlar | stalked? |
| 21:20.34 | Neffi | How can you be stalked by somebody you willingly add as friend? |
| 21:20.42 | Neffi | Oh wait.... |
| 21:20.44 | Icicle | lemme see if I can refind the convo |
| 21:20.45 | Neffi | stalks Semlar. |
| 21:21.12 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure it would be faster for me to write this than it would be to look for it |
| 21:21.41 | Icicle | ah nm its an addon which shows you the battletag of every player |
| 21:22.00 | Icicle | so they can freely add that instead of your @friend |
| 21:22.16 | Icicle | the player tag I meant |
| 21:22.38 | Neffi | I don't think that's actually possible |
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| 21:26.04 | Semlar | the other problem is sometimes portals are blocked by closed doors and stuff and i can't really detect that very easily |
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| 21:26.35 | Semlar | like if there's a grate in front of it that you can't pass through it still thinks it's a door |
| 21:29.57 | Neffi | Doesnt seem like a problem |
| 21:30.06 | Neffi | It's technically a door, so keep it in |
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| 21:40.49 | Dashkal | I have a mystery. I was under the impression that hit above the cap was worthless. Does this apply to brewmasters? No tool I've used as told me to reforge hit back down to the cap. I'm a brewmaster monk. |
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| 21:43.53 | Dashkal | Ahh, I'm derping. The tool is telling me what I've done, not what I should do. Using it wrong |
| 21:44.33 | nevcairiel | hit rating is one of the easiest on all characters, max it to the cap first, and always keep it exactly there |
| 21:44.41 | nevcairiel | which is exactly the reason they are removing it |
| 21:44.48 | Dashkal | Yeah, that's what I thought. So when I was misreading the tool I was getting very confused |
| 21:45.20 | Dashkal | NOW I'm using it wright, and I'm getting exact instructions on what to do. |
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| 21:45.37 | Dashkal | right* |
| 21:49.33 | foxlit | http://pastebin.com/jvnkv8YN << meh. |
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| 21:53.56 | foxlit | it's so annoyingly verbose. |
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| 21:55.04 | Icicle | ahhh feels so good to finally solve that problem |
| 21:55.52 | Icicle | Time for sleep, thanks for the help @Semlar and everyone |
| 21:56.17 | Semlar | ^-^ |
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| 22:19.45 | kd3 | bah. 9 seconds from first place in the fishing contest |
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| 23:11.03 | Semlar-Laptop | neffiii |
| 23:15.04 | Neffi_ | semlarrrrr |
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| 23:16.17 | Syllios | Anyone got some up-to-date code to get talent info? |
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| 23:19.58 | Semlar-Laptop | talents are called specializations nao |
| 23:21.09 | Syllios | ohhh didn't know that, let me check it out |
| 23:21.45 | Semlar-Laptop | well do you mean the spells you can pick or the spec |
| 23:22.07 | Syllios | Spells you pick. Tier talents |
| 23:25.30 | Semlar-Laptop | check http://wowpedia.org/API_GetTalentInfo |
| 23:27.21 | Semlar-Laptop | i think you just call it from 1 to GetNumTalents() |
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| 23:54.11 | Shirik | random question, does anyone in here play go? |
| 23:58.44 | znf | [Mon Dec 30 00:54:28 2013] [warn] long lost child came home! (pid 20101) |
| 23:58.51 | znf | first time I ever see a message like that |
