| 00:00.14 | Arrowmaster | yup |
| 00:00.47 | Seerah | and yeah, it's not a leaked global in the set functions because you have it as one of the args passed into the function--> function(key1, value) |
| 00:00.57 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:01.53 | Aeger73 | thats how I had it initially I was trying to only update the first binding but until i started to unbind it would only add a 2nd |
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| 00:20.46 | Kraps | good luck on your future travels. But who are the forum QQers going to QQ at now? :P |
| 00:20.48 | Kraps | They'll find another name and still miss the point that Blizzard designs as a collective. |
| 00:20.50 | Kraps | heh |
| 00:22.59 | Neffi | it was the same deal with Tom Chilton and Jeff Kaplan back in the day |
| 00:23.25 | Neffi | I guess people like a scapegoat. Put a face on their troubles. |
| 00:24.58 | Neffi | It's worth remembering that Tom Chilton suddenly stopped being the scapegoat as soon as he stopped posting in the community |
| 00:25.29 | Neffi | Suddenly forums far and wide forgot how much they supposedly hated him |
| 00:26.17 | Semlar | why would you ever read a forum |
| 00:26.47 | Neffi | Nowadays, I have no damned idea |
| 00:27.26 | Neffi | There used to be good forums. Arena Junkies used to be pretty good. Now every forum is either trolls+idiots galore, or functionally dead for any meaningful conversation (see Wowhead) |
| 00:28.59 | Semlar | do you suppose it's because people are getting dumber or it's becoming more accessible to dumb people |
| 00:29.07 | Neffi | Maybe I'm delusional to remember when the public used to engage in constructive feedback |
| 00:29.20 | Semlar | that never happened |
| 00:29.25 | Neffi | When some forums could conjure up a constructive manner of fixing a class, and submit it in a civilized manner |
| 00:29.32 | Aeger73 | Pure delusion |
| 00:29.32 | Neffi | It's happened a few times |
| 00:29.42 | Semlar | maybe in your dreams |
| 00:29.47 | Semlar | was i there? |
| 00:29.50 | Neffi | I think it's becoming more accessible to dumb people |
| 00:30.31 | Neffi | The bell curve is stupidity doesn't change. But stupid people are exponentially more vocal and persistent than smart people. All it takes is a certain critical mass of dumb people to absolutely destroy a community that was once meaningful. |
| 00:30.42 | Neffi | Semlar: you're always there |
| 00:30.51 | Semlar | good |
| 00:31.17 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:32.05 | Neffi | It's nice |
| 00:32.11 | Neffi | But it's no match for my druid's swag http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/korgath/Neffi/simple |
| 00:32.29 | Semlar | i've got a hat like that |
| 00:32.34 | Neffi | Purple vest and matching pimp cane? Fur lined pimp hat? what? |
| 00:32.49 | Semlar | i can't use a cane |
| 00:33.19 | Neffi | poor hunter |
| 00:33.29 | Neffi | Will never know the singular swagger of the feral druid |
| 00:33.35 | Semlar | i just have my spiky gun |
| 00:33.50 | Semlar | if people get close i can clobber them with it |
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| 00:34.43 | phelps | I've registered my frame for OnKeyDown and OnKeyUp and have SetPropagateKeyboardInput set to true, however the OnKeyUp event never fires |
| 00:35.04 | phelps | does anyone know how to get both events to fire and still propagate key presses ? |
| 00:35.43 | Semlar | "Does not run for focused EditBoxes." |
| 00:36.00 | phelps | it isn't a EditBox, regular frame |
| 00:36.37 | Semlar | i have no idea what propagatekeyboardinput does |
| 00:36.47 | Semlar | have you tried EnableKeyboard |
| 00:37.01 | Neffi | I'm guessing capture the key while allowing other frames to also capture it? |
| 00:37.08 | phelps | yeah |
| 00:37.21 | phelps | EnableKeyboard is set to true as well |
| 00:37.22 | Semlar | OnKeyDown fires though? |
| 00:37.23 | Neffi | If he's capturing OnKeyDown, I dont see why not OnKeyUp |
| 00:37.32 | Semlar | maybe he make a typo |
| 00:37.33 | phelps | yeah it fires fine |
| 00:38.00 | foxlit | the obvious answer would be that it doesn't actually work that way. |
| 00:38.10 | Semlar | if you say so |
| 00:38.21 | Semlar | quitter |
| 00:38.39 | foxlit | realist. |
| 00:38.44 | Semlar | DEFEATIST |
| 00:39.02 | foxlit | now we just need to find some devils. |
| 00:39.21 | phelps | https://gist.github.com/benphelps/697176466fd12be4626c |
| 00:39.41 | Semlar | have you tried just the OnKeyUp part |
| 00:39.57 | Semlar | comment out the OnKeyDown bit |
| 00:39.59 | phelps | yeah, doesn't fire |
| 00:40.16 | phelps | only when SetPropagateKeyboardInput is false |
| 00:40.29 | phelps | if SetPropagateKeyboardInput is false then both events fire |
| 00:40.31 | Neffi | It might be impossible to propagate a captured KeyUp |
| 00:40.47 | Neffi | Check all three resources for the relevant API calls and script entires. Wowpedia, WoWWiki, Wowprogramming |
| 00:40.52 | Neffi | One of them might have some wisdom on this |
| 00:42.17 | foxlit | up events are only delivered to whoever ultimately handled the down. |
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| 00:42.33 | foxlit | along with a host of other nastiness that is wow's keyboard input dispatch. |
| 00:42.52 | Neffi | That makes sense in a twisted sort of way |
| 00:42.53 | Semlar | trying to capture key presses is a pain |
| 00:43.09 | Semlar | feh |
| 00:43.35 | kd3 | hm, I wonder if we can listen for the secure challenge password prompt? |
| 00:43.47 | foxlit | no. |
| 00:44.13 | phelps | pewp |
| 00:44.18 | Neffi | by phelps, maybe you were just copying the relevant bits for us, but in your example setState is out of scope of the SetScript functions that use them |
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| 00:44.40 | phelps | the OnKeyUp/Down uses it |
| 00:44.53 | phelps | I just included getState for completeness |
| 00:44.56 | Neffi | Yes it doesn, and in that example it's not in scope |
| 00:44.59 | Neffi | I see |
| 00:45.30 | Semlar | yeah it would have to be above the scripts to work |
| 00:45.36 | phelps | yeah |
| 00:46.13 | Semlar | why is this a child of worldframe |
| 00:46.36 | phelps | heh, dunno |
| 00:46.43 | Semlar | i don't usually give a frame a parent if it's not going to be visible |
| 00:46.47 | phelps | but DevPad binds to WorldFrame |
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| 00:46.58 | phelps | and I was using it for reference |
| 00:47.19 | phelps | I can find where else I read but, WorldFrame is what eats the events last |
| 00:47.23 | Semlar | and if it is going to be visible it should probably be under uiparent |
| 00:47.25 | phelps | handles the actual keybinds |
| 00:47.37 | phelps | its never visible |
| 00:48.28 | Neffi | Yeah, I personally dont recommend using WorldFrame unless you have a very special reason to |
| 00:48.48 | Neffi | Eg, it makes nameplate addons that much less efficient |
| 00:48.56 | phelps | I guess this is the very special reason ? |
| 00:49.11 | Neffi | You wanted to see if a child of WorldFrame could get its keyup? |
| 00:49.12 | Semlar | i don't know, i'm not sure why it would make a difference |
| 00:49.27 | phelps | it doesn't make a difference |
| 00:49.34 | Semlar | you think parenting it to worldframe would make it capture keys last? |
| 00:49.45 | phelps | Neffi, I've tried many things trying to get this working |
| 00:49.56 | Neffi | I'm not surprised it's not possible |
| 00:50.09 | Neffi | Maybe they depend on WorldFrame getting the keyup for security? |
| 00:50.17 | phelps | perhaps |
| 00:50.40 | foxlit | kd3: actually, I'd like to change my answer. "Maybe" |
| 00:50.52 | Iriel | What are you trying to achieve? |
| 00:51.06 | foxlit | If you're far enough in the layering, it does actually take precedence over focused edit boxes. |
| 00:52.57 | phelps | more modifier keys outside of the base shift/ctrl/alt |
| 00:53.23 | phelps | on OS X it doesn't know the difference between left/right modifier keys so you're limited to 3 |
| 00:53.27 | Semlar | i'm quite sure i saw an addon that did this |
| 00:53.46 | Semlar | modmod? |
| 00:54.03 | Semlar | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info22266-ModifiedModifierModMod.html |
| 00:55.14 | Semlar | also i don't think anyone has ever bound the right modifier keys to do something else |
| 00:55.32 | Semlar | that would be terribly inconvenient |
| 00:55.32 | foxlit | I like how the store placeholder error message blames addons, even when there are no addons loaded. |
| 00:55.53 | Semlar | it knows that somebody out there is to blame and it isn't going to incriminate itself |
| 00:56.18 | phelps | shaggy must have wrote it |
| 00:57.26 | Semlar | foxlit i don't suppose you can bind the key down and key up of an action button to two separate actions |
| 00:58.32 | phelps | only key down :/ |
| 00:58.41 | phelps | I can capture W and still run forwards |
| 00:58.57 | phelps | but releasing W will not fire OnKeyUp for my frame |
| 00:59.15 | phelps | same with 1-12 buttons etc. |
| 00:59.46 | Iriel | I dont think a frame overlay capturing events is the right solution to your problem is it? |
| 01:00.11 | phelps | I just didn't want to rely on SetBindingSpell |
| 01:00.13 | Semlar | doesn't the addon i linked to do what you're trying to |
| 01:00.17 | phelps | but it looks like I'll have to |
| 01:00.20 | Iriel | Can't you use SetBindingClick ? |
| 01:00.35 | phelps | Semlar: it kinda does, just in a dif. way |
| 01:00.48 | phelps | I can use SetBinding, I just didn't want to |
| 01:01.16 | Iriel | I can't help but wonder why you didn't want to |
| 01:01.16 | Semlar | why not |
| 01:01.44 | phelps | I just wanted a wildcard |
| 01:03.05 | phelps | doesn't matter, I just wanted to ask here before I checked it off as impossible |
| 01:04.24 | Semlar | even if it were possible you would run into issues trying to do anything secure |
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| 01:14.20 | Sintacks | fucking worgen rogue |
| 01:14.31 | Sintacks | at least i didn't have to level a goblin too... |
| 01:15.55 | Sintacks | http://puu.sh/5zoy2.png |
| 01:20.10 | Neffi | what |
| 01:21.20 | Thunder_Child | Damn, I just saw that Paul Walker died yesterday. |
| 01:21.33 | Neffi | Thunder_Child: late |
| 01:21.40 | Thunder_Child | So I see |
| 01:21.52 | Dagmar | Who would have guessed that driving a Porche at high speeds could be dangerous |
| 01:22.02 | Dagmar | It's completely baffling |
| 01:22.14 | Thunder_Child | It was a charity Event |
| 01:22.50 | Neffi | Dagmar: to be fair I heard he was some sort of expert at being furiously fast |
| 01:23.50 | Dagmar | YEah well there was this aussie dude who was famous for poking alligators and venomous man-eating raptors with sticks and getting away with it. |
| 01:23.52 | Dagmar | Most of the time. |
| 01:24.12 | Neffi | Danger catches up to everyone eventually |
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| 01:25.20 | Neffi | wonders if there are actually any man-eating raptors in the world. |
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| 01:26.32 | Neffi | I think this was the last man-eating raptor to live, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haast's_Eagle |
| 01:31.59 | Neffi | I can't seem to find any evidence that any raptor more recent than 128 million years old possessed venom |
| 01:32.12 | Neffi | Maybe I'm reading too much into this |
| 01:35.18 | Dagmar | Possibly. |
| 01:35.45 | Dagmar | It might have been fire-breathing penguins he was poking. Some youtube videos have terrible resolution. |
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| 02:01.06 | Neffi | http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/12/forget-amazons-two-day-shipping-soon-you-can-select-drone-delivery/ |
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| 02:01.32 | kd3 | was wondering how long it was going to be before they had an article on the 60 minutes report |
| 02:07.26 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/iuGGYrW.gif Jaime: the early days |
| 02:08.13 | Sintacks | next year, i'm going to use my 5 accounts and have each of the rogues near the turkey day stuffs and sell them all. lolol |
| 02:08.52 | Neffi | If I'm playing next year, you have my rogue's sword |
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| 02:26.28 | Neffi | Hmm. Steelseries or Mionix? |
| 02:27.28 | Neffi | Mionix Avior 8200 looks nice. SS's upcoming Rival also does. |
| 02:34.25 | Sintacks | what the fuck |
| 02:34.28 | Sintacks | i can hear someone's vent |
| 02:34.30 | Sintacks | coming out of my computer |
| 02:34.33 | Sintacks | but i don't have vent open |
| 02:34.39 | Sintacks | and i have no fucking idea where the hell it's coming from |
| 02:34.42 | Neffi | is it in your system tray? |
| 02:34.46 | Sintacks | no |
| 02:34.52 | Sintacks | i even checked task manager |
| 02:35.04 | Thunder_Child | How do you know it is vent then? |
| 02:35.09 | Neffi | Do you have any fillings? lol |
| 02:35.17 | Sintacks | lool |
| 02:35.21 | Arrowmaster | are you sure its not ingame chat? |
| 02:35.24 | Neffi | Could be an autoplay on an open tab |
| 02:35.53 | Sintacks | only tabs open are two reddit tabs and an imgur tab |
| 02:37.00 | rid_ | check your mixer |
| 02:37.15 | rid_ | (win 7+) |
| 02:42.13 | Sintacks | i did, rid_. didnt' help. |
| 02:42.16 | Sintacks | i did find it though |
| 02:42.27 | Sintacks | it was an auto paly twitch stream in a raidcall announcment thing... |
| 02:42.30 | Sintacks | that you coluldn't see |
| 02:42.33 | Sintacks | without scrolling |
| 02:42.53 | Neffi | wtf are all these mouse companies doing with their side buttons? |
| 02:43.10 | Neffi | u liek phone pad on ur mouse rite? u want 6 buttons crammed into the space of 2? |
| 02:43.25 | Neffi | http://gaming.logitech.com/en-us/product/g602-wireless-gaming-mouse <- this is not good design dammit |
| 02:44.58 | Thunder_Child | Neffi: I have the G700 Wich is similar, and I like the buttons |
| 02:46.37 | Neffi | I like some of the other design aspects. The buttons next to the left&right buttons are awesome. My CM has buttons there and I love it. |
| 02:46.58 | Neffi | Works very well for hybrid classes, because I can bind my heals to [@mouseover][@player] on those keys |
| 02:47.12 | Neffi | But the layout of the side buttons totally destroys it for me |
| 02:47.24 | Neffi | Maybe they work, but I cant see myself getting used to it |
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| 03:22.39 | Neffi | Does Slouken still work with SDL? |
| 03:27.07 | bleeter | Neffi: whilst at valve, yes |
| 03:27.26 | bleeter | checkins on the weekend, at night, and on the clock. iirc last time I looked at some changelogs, at least |
| 03:28.14 | bleeter | Neffi: afaik, Linux Steam is Steam on SDL. The engine draws it's GL foo to an SDL surface or something like that. a while since I read the stuff |
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| 03:28.39 | Amarande | Say, speaking of Linux Steam, when is SteamOS coming out? :) |
| 03:29.06 | bleeter | Amarande: same days as Linux Portal 2. Valvetime's 'Soon' |
| 03:29.19 | Amarande | heh |
| 03:29.35 | Amarande | hm, wonder how much there is in steamos that's specific to it rather than being able to be done on a regular linux box with steam installed |
| 03:29.35 | bleeter | Amarande: I'd kinda expect there'd be beta users over the christmas break at least |
| 03:29.42 | bleeter | whether that's just internal or not who knows |
| 03:29.55 | Amarande | also, dangit, I'm going to need another SSD in the next few months at this rate. :| |
| 03:30.00 | bleeter | Amarande: what they're probably doing is guaranteeing library versions |
| 03:30.30 | Amarande | I've almost finished installing my steam collection onto this machine after acquiring the SSD a couple weeks ago |
| 03:30.40 | bleeter | such that games don't have to work that stuff out for themselves. kinda like how VMWare ship a bucket of libraries in their viewer binaries that you probably have, but they can't guarantee so.... |
| 03:30.41 | Amarande | it's already down to about 89 GB free with one game left to go |
| 03:30.44 | Amarande | ... which is DA:O, heh |
| 03:34.51 | iShirik | ~wiki 215 irving |
| 03:35.13 | iShirik | oh fu |
| 03:35.15 | iShirik | I was going to delete it |
| 03:38.09 | karl_w_w | don't worry bleeter, it'll be removed along with the rest: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbotts-more-controversial-speeches-disappear-20131130-2yimm.html |
| 03:38.31 | Amarande | WTB infinite capacity SSD |
| 03:38.35 | karl_w_w | and jesus I didn't even know about "a 2004 speech in which he described abortion as ''a question of the mother's convenience'' |
| 03:38.36 | karl_w_w | Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbotts-more-controversial-speeches-disappear-20131130-2yimm.html#ixzz2mHkOkVth |
| 03:38.36 | karl_w_w | " |
| 03:39.05 | iShirik | ~wiki Cheezemaster9000 |
| 03:39.30 | iShirik | people are strange |
| 03:41.55 | karl_w_w | maybe he thought he was editing his user page iShirik :P |
| 03:42.23 | iShirik | pretty sure he's just a dumbass |
| 03:46.59 | Dagmar | On the internet? No... |
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| 04:23.51 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/Pai6w2U.jpg?1 |
| 04:29.45 | iShirik | wtf? |
| 05:02.51 | Thunder_Child | Well, it is Surry. |
| 05:03.00 | Thunder_Child | Surrey* |
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| 05:09.35 | Shirik | so jleclanche |
| 05:09.40 | Shirik | I have found out the best bug in quassel |
| 05:09.45 | Shirik | when the server runs out of disk space |
| 05:09.49 | Shirik | it flips a shit |
| 05:14.08 | Amarande | Shirik: are you really sure that's a quassel bug? |
| 05:14.31 | Amarande | from my hazy recollections, Linux machines in general tend to get intensely bitchy if you drain out every last drop of disk space |
| 05:14.46 | Amarande | you can even get errors in basic startup scripts if that happens :S |
| 05:14.55 | kd3 | s/Linux// |
| 05:16.53 | Shirik | I don't have a problem when you fail to do things when you run out of disk space |
| 05:16.57 | Shirik | however when you start doing RANDOM things |
| 05:16.59 | Shirik | that's a problem |
| 05:17.09 | Shirik | you should handle it gracefully |
| 05:17.32 | Shirik | and no, it's not linux machines' fault |
| 05:17.40 | Shirik | it's the fact that open source developers generally don't give a shit about that stuff |
| 05:17.49 | Shirik | because most open source development has zero process |
| 05:19.25 | Dagmar | You should make sure to always use gendered pronouns |
| 05:20.00 | Dagmar | Doing so will cause various people to eventually stroke out, and improve the open-source development model. |
| 05:20.57 | Fisker | why can't I be stopped Shirik? |
| 05:21.41 | Dagmar | Amarande's right tho'. God help you if / ever fills up. All kinds of shit gets bent out of shape about it. |
| 05:21.55 | Iriel | Especiall;y if you fill it up as root |
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| 05:22.13 | Dagmar | ...which is goddamn baffling because it doesn't give a single fuck if it's read-only |
| 05:27.50 | Amarande | Yay, just DA:O and DA:A to go and I've got my whole steam collection ready to go on this drive |
| 05:27.58 | Amarande | and in a few months should probably shop for a second ssd. heh |
| 05:28.12 | Shirik | doesn't linux reserve some space though? |
| 05:28.17 | Shirik | for the kernel |
| 05:28.23 | Dagmar | Umm.. no. |
| 05:28.25 | Amarande | Shirik: not for the kernel per se |
| 05:28.28 | Dagmar | It reserves 5% for root, by default. |
| 05:28.34 | Shirik | the thought that an OS can die due to running out of space is a serious problem |
| 05:28.36 | Dagmar | This is a thing you can adjust with tune2fs |
| 05:28.37 | kd3 | root gets 5% normally in sane default filesystem creation tools |
| 05:28.39 | Amarande | it reserves a certain amount of space for root only, but that's it |
| 05:29.05 | Amarande | Shirik: running out of VM will also tend to cause a hard crash |
| 05:29.07 | Fisker | yeah Shirik that's kinda dumb |
| 05:29.18 | Neffi | seems like something that's up to the distro devs, not kernel ones |
| 05:29.19 | Shirik | granted I was never a Linus (or Linux) fan so this doesn't particularly surprise me |
| 05:29.19 | Amarande | in fact, it'll even do that in Windows, like that one time when I was accused of bailing out on a Yahoo pool game because of it LOL |
| 05:29.20 | Dagmar | I don't know if something's doing a weird check before it creates a unix domain socket or what, but i've gotten used to / filling meaning the box will act crazy |
| 05:29.23 | Neffi | take up the fault with them |
| 05:29.38 | Amarande | apparently, the java app managed to devour ALL of my memory at the time and cause Windows to BSOD :P |
| 05:29.45 | Shirik | that's pathetic |
| 05:30.02 | Shirik | it is the OS's job to ensure that an application cannot take the system down |
| 05:30.02 | Amarande | or that infamous time during wrath where there was that catastrophic bug with gear-icon tooltips |
| 05:30.14 | Amarande | if you had 2GB or less of RAM, WoW would proceed to take every drop of it and kill the OS |
| 05:30.23 | Dagmar | Would you rather have it do that or just start keeping track of what it's storing in it's spap file in the swap file |
| 05:30.27 | Amarande | (if you had 4GB of RAM or more, then it would only eat 2GB and then just WoW would crash) |
| 05:31.14 | Dagmar | I always found the paging-map-in-paging-file thing to be handy. It gave you time to panic and start killing things. |
| 05:31.21 | Shirik | if an application ends up taking up so much memory that it's going to kill the OS, the application should be killed |
| 05:31.34 | Dagmar | shirik: I wish |
| 05:31.38 | Amarande | heh, on this computer, I don't even *have* a paging file |
| 05:31.50 | tz | but what if you have 32GB ram?! |
| 05:31.51 | Dagmar | Shirik: Get you some nice PHP users. |
| 05:31.58 | Amarande | the SSD optimisation guide I followed indicated that disabling the paging file was the way to go |
| 05:32.01 | Shirik | like |
| 05:32.04 | Shirik | this is the fundamental job of the OS |
| 05:32.06 | Amarande | hopefully I never need to use more than 8GB of space then now :| |
| 05:32.10 | Dagmar | The kind that don't know about isset and create infinite loops... on a large VM host |
| 05:32.14 | Shirik | I don't understand why this is such wishful thinking |
| 05:32.21 | Amarande | because DDR3 is fucking expensive atm, which means I'll be stuck downgrading to the DDR3-1333 I have spare sticks of on hand :| |
| 05:32.37 | Amarande | however, I'll probably need a new drive before then anyway |
| 05:32.42 | Shirik | the job of the OS is to facilitate safe multitasking |
| 05:32.42 | Iriel | Shirik: what if the OS is only there to run that particular application? |
| 05:32.43 | Dagmar | Largely because these situations don't occur unless a user is doing something eye-wateringly stupid. |
| 05:32.46 | End | if you're talking memory that's a whole other issue |
| 05:32.48 | Shirik | if an application is not playing nicely, then it gets to die |
| 05:32.55 | Amarande | atm I can only think of two games where 8GB of RAM would prove cramping |
| 05:33.05 | Shirik | Iriel: Then a watchdog should be installed :) |
| 05:33.09 | Dagmar | Shirik: Write 1.2 million lines to error_log in under 20 seconds. |
| 05:33.10 | End | nobody seems to really kill stuff before it causes massive swapping |
| 05:33.30 | Amarande | End: yeah, the last time I saw a computer die from RAM starvation was during Wrath |
| 05:33.33 | Amarande | from the aforementioned bug |
| 05:33.35 | End | (well, linux can with a flag, but that's even worse) |
| 05:33.41 | *** part/#wowuidev Seerah (~RyanNL@adsl-74-242-165-206.mem.bellsouth.net) |
| 05:33.52 | Amarande | apparently at one point, if you moused over anything that had the "gear" icon, when trying to create the tooltip |
| 05:33.55 | End | I've had some out of control processes |
| 05:34.11 | *** join/#wowuidev kwyjibo^ (~kwyjibo@162.219.176.90) |
| 05:34.11 | Dagmar | The OOM killer is like a drunken dwarf with a shotgun before it's tuned, but if it has to come out and regulate everything was probably fucked up anyway |
| 05:34.16 | Amarande | it would proceed to have an instant and catastrophic memory leak meltdown, basically nigh-instantaneously allocating 2GB (all it was allowed then since we didn't have a 64bit WoW client then) |
| 05:34.43 | Dagmar | Arande: Cogwheel did it. |
| 05:34.43 | End | recently, I noticed when svchost.exe got to 28GB |
| 05:34.50 | Amarande | which version was that, 3.0.2 or 3.0.3? |
| 05:35.03 | End | I have 32GB but it was causing my VMs to swap out of ram and everything got slow as hell |
| 05:35.10 | Dagmar | I thought it was a ptr build |
| 05:35.11 | Amarande | 16GB is about as far as this system goes |
| 05:35.19 | Amarande | technically I could use 32GB, but: |
| 05:35.21 | End | under linux I've seen hald get similarly big but it's been a while |
| 05:35.34 | Amarande | a) if I do so, I can use DDR3-1600 at max |
| 05:35.46 | Amarande | b) if I do so, I have to buy four 8GB sticks, and four 8GB sticks is like three hundred bloody flaming bucks right now |
| 05:36.06 | Amarande | c) in order to justify more than 8GB, atm I pretty much would have to either start playing Minecraft or CoD Ghosts |
| 05:36.07 | Dagmar | Hly shit |
| 05:36.20 | Neffi | I believe there are multiple safety nets in place for this Shirik. A given distro might not be configured to employ them. |
| 05:36.28 | Amarande | yeah, mobo specifically doesn't support 4-DIMM configurations at 1866 |
| 05:36.40 | Shirik | it should not even be a safety net |
| 05:36.44 | Shirik | it is the primary purpose of the OS |
| 05:36.47 | Shirik | "don't die" |
| 05:36.50 | Shirik | like |
| 05:36.56 | Shirik | it's not even something you have an option for |
| 05:36.59 | Neffi | The kernel has a lot of knobs to turn |
| 05:37.05 | Amarande | Shirik: unless it dies at a lower level than the OS kernel |
| 05:37.09 | Amarande | remember F0 0F C7 C8? :) |
| 05:37.10 | Shirik | this is not like a knob |
| 05:37.14 | Dagmar | Amarande: Wait, is this CDN? |
| 05:37.24 | Amarande | Dagmar: Nope, that 300+ is AMERICAN dollars |
| 05:37.25 | Shirik | this is a "here, would you like to turn off memory management?" |
| 05:37.31 | Amarande | DDR3 went on an effing bender in recent months |
| 05:37.36 | Dagmar | Amarande: Are you buying parity or ECC RAM or something? |
| 05:37.39 | Shirik | ALL APPLICATIONS GET ALL THE MEMORY |
| 05:37.42 | Amarande | apparently for two reasons, RAM companies were losing money at the previous prices |
| 05:37.45 | Neffi | It sounds like you're blowing it mostly out of proportion |
| 05:37.58 | Shirik | I am intentionally exaggerating, but it is exactly how I feel |
| 05:38.00 | Amarande | and apparently there was also a fire at Hynix that resulted in a substantial loss of RAM production capacity relative to market |
| 05:38.03 | Shirik | this is a non-negotiable to me |
| 05:38.09 | Shirik | you don't create an unsafe OS |
| 05:38.13 | Neffi | Fair enough. Does your kernel fair better anyway? |
| 05:38.14 | Dagmar | Oh wow it *has* gone back up |
| 05:38.35 | Amarande | also, in relation to that, c1) if I were to start playing CoD Ghosts |
| 05:38.41 | Shirik | ? |
| 05:38.42 | Amarande | I'd be needing to buy another disk before I buy more RAM, LOL |
| 05:38.49 | Dagmar | Shirik: We have controsl for these things. They're just generally unset. |
| 05:38.57 | Neffi | Does Darwin suffer the same problem that you're complaining Linux has? |
| 05:39.07 | Dagmar | ...becuase they're not needed until someone's doing something really fucking stupid, like writing 1.2 million lines to error_log in 20 seconds flat. |
| 05:39.10 | Shirik | I have no idea what you're asking |
| 05:39.20 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 05:39.21 | Fisker | Survive |
| 05:39.24 | Shirik | Dagmar: I think the word you're looking for is "malicious" |
| 05:39.26 | Neffi | Does the kernel in your computer have better memory management? |
| 05:39.37 | Amarande | seeing that cod ghosts takes like 40-50GB of diskspace and I've only got like ... hmm ... probably going to be 60-65GB or so once I finish installing DA:O and DA:A and reobtain the DLC |
| 05:39.38 | Dagmar | You can tune the OOM killer to *heh* _not_ try and kill the kernel or kjournald, and you can set ulimits on processes |
| 05:39.44 | Amarande | then down to 30-40GB or so once I reinstall SW:TOR |
| 05:39.45 | Shirik | The whole reason we're having this discussion is BECAUSE I encountered this problem on Linux |
| 05:39.45 | Amarande | heh |
| 05:39.47 | Shirik | Neffi: |
| 05:39.49 | Dagmar | Shirik: No, I mean eye-wateringly stupid. |
| 05:40.06 | Shirik | there is very little difference between "malicious" and "stupid" |
| 05:40.13 | Dagmar | Shirik: I was speaking from a recent example of writing 1.2 million lines to error_log because someone couldn't bother to use isset or figure out how to declare a global |
| 05:40.24 | Dagmar | THey also didn't know how to check for EOF, which is what led to that |
| 05:40.25 | Neffi | Maybe take it as a fault with your OS, and not your kernel |
| 05:40.29 | Shirik | what if I chose to write 12 million lines to error_log so that I could take down your server? |
| 05:40.43 | Amarande | wow. the nice thing is I actually do have enough space on this ssd to install basically all my games |
| 05:40.47 | Dagmar | No, malicious tends to be more efficient. |
| 05:40.50 | Neffi | Then I hope that server has the knob tuned right |
| 05:40.53 | Amarande | ... the sad thing is that I pretty much *only* have enough space on this ssd to install all my games |
| 05:40.54 | airtonix | writes 12 million lines to take down shiriks pants |
| 05:40.58 | Amarande | and will need to buy a new disk in order to get more games :P |
| 05:41.07 | airtonix | away |
| 05:41.14 | Dagmar | Shirik: Well, in the first part your code would be unceremoniously 000'd. If that didn't get your attention, I'd drop in ulimits. |
| 05:41.16 | airtonix | herpaderpa |
| 05:41.21 | kd3 | good luck patching games with no free space |
| 05:41.31 | Dagmar | ...and if THAT didn't make you fix your code, I'd have a talk with your manager about retraining. |
| 05:41.42 | Shirik | oh by the way |
| 05:41.54 | Shirik | what actually caused this is Quassel's shitty behavior when it comes to running out of disk space |
| 05:42.03 | Shirik | TIL Quassel deletes your configuration file when you run out of disk space |
| 05:42.09 | Dagmar | ...because I can promise you, if someone's allowed to write 1.2 million lines to error_log and nothing happens, THEY'LL KEEP DOING IT. |
| 05:42.13 | Shirik | instead of, I dunno, just kinda locking it down or something |
| 05:42.13 | Amarande | kd3: I think I'd probably drop to about 20GB left if I install absolutely everything |
| 05:42.18 | Amarande | including my GoG stuff |
| 05:42.18 | Shirik | you lose all your settings |
| 05:42.20 | Amarande | and SW:TOR |
| 05:42.24 | End | hm it probably tries to rewrite it but fails |
| 05:42.28 | Amarande | which I'll probably hold off on reinstalling for a while |
| 05:42.30 | Shirik | that's probably more accurate |
| 05:42.34 | Shirik | but the point is it trashes everything |
| 05:42.35 | Neffi | That doesnt sound like an intentional design decision, Shirik |
| 05:42.36 | Amarande | seeing that I've used up about half my bandwidth for this month reinstalling my steam stuff :| |
| 05:42.40 | Shirik | as opposed to doing nothing |
| 05:42.42 | Amarande | and that's not counting DLC |
| 05:42.43 | Shirik | Neffi: I am well aware of that |
| 05:42.43 | Neffi | More like an unforeseen circumstance |
| 05:42.53 | Dagmar | Shirik: Nah, it's not doing that. IT's writing the new file, failing, not checking the exit status of that operation, and then trying to move the empty and/or nonexistant config file over the top of the old one |
| 05:42.56 | Shirik | And what I am saying is this happens way too often in the open source world |
| 05:42.56 | Neffi | Quassel has a bug tracker IIRC |
| 05:43.10 | Shirik | So I've actually looked at Quassel's bug tracker |
| 05:43.12 | Amarande | well, maybe more like a third of my bandwidth for the month, ethernet interface is saying about 70GB, so about 80GB once Awakening and DA:O DLC is installed |
| 05:43.15 | Dagmar | Shirik: No, that shit happens all the time in the commercial world as well |
| 05:43.16 | Neffi | It also happens a lot in the closed-source world |
| 05:43.24 | Dagmar | Try Buisness Objects sometime. |
| 05:43.25 | Neffi | You're making a jump in causality here |
| 05:43.29 | Shirik | 95% of the responses are "doesn't happen to us so we don't care" |
| 05:43.33 | Shirik | "please submit a patch" |
| 05:43.49 | Amarande | Shirik: well that latter is common even here in #wowuidev sometimes :) |
| 05:43.56 | Dagmar | THeir next to last release ISO had the crushed remains of symlinks to elf libs in it. |
| 05:44.02 | Amarande | as in telling people to stop complaining and help fix the bug :) |
| 05:44.10 | Dagmar | It took them almost a year to admit it _might_ be a problem and fix it for the next release. |
| 05:44.13 | Shirik | I would be OK with that if it wasn't for the fact that they consider that a valid way to close a bug report |
| 05:44.13 | Neffi | Yes, if you want free software, generally you need to contribute back to it somehow |
| 05:44.26 | Neffi | "they" |
| 05:44.30 | Shirik | This would be considered a feature request |
| 05:44.34 | Shirik | not a defect |
| 05:44.37 | Neffi | To whom? |
| 05:44.40 | airtonix | Shirik: are you saying that also doesn't happen in places where you can't access the bug tracker ? |
| 05:44.43 | Shirik | quassel development team |
| 05:44.45 | Neffi | Every single FOSS developer in existence? |
| 05:44.54 | Dagmar | Neffi: You're going to want to use a gendered pronoun. ;) |
| 05:45.01 | Neffi | Have you attempted TO submit it to the dev team before making that statement, Shirik? |
| 05:45.13 | Shirik | No I'm making assumptions based on how they've handled their other bugs |
| 05:45.20 | Shirik | I probably will end up submitting it |
| 05:45.25 | airtonix | Shirik: i understand you're a commerical developer. but you !=== the rest of the commerical world. |
| 05:45.28 | Shirik | but that doesn't change my view on where it's going to end |
| 05:45.37 | Sintacks | hmm. i need to add some sort of smartgroup for SendChatMessage for this weakaura's custom action.... |
| 05:45.40 | Neffi | Surperb. You have prior reason to distrust them as developers. Now the fault is on you for contuining to use their product. |
| 05:45.48 | Dagmar | Someone brought this to my attention earlier tonight. Note, you will want a drink before you click on the Comments tab. https://github.com/joyent/libuv/pull/1015/files |
| 05:45.49 | Shirik | hey |
| 05:45.54 | Shirik | I'm allowed to complain about things and still use them |
| 05:45.56 | Dagmar | ...if not before then definitely after. |
| 05:45.58 | Shirik | I think Linux is a terrible OS |
| 05:46.01 | Shirik | but I use it frequently |
| 05:46.07 | Neffi | See, if it was a closed source app, this is precisely how the reasoning would work out. So you expect because it's FOSS, it's immune to reason? |
| 05:46.12 | Shirik | because there really isn't a better general purpose alternative |
| 05:46.15 | airtonix | Shirik: so where is the bug tracker for macosx ? |
| 05:46.17 | Dagmar | Basic high-school English correct turns into epic fauxminist shitstorm. |
| 05:46.18 | Sintacks | "borrows" RSA's smartgroup functionailtiy |
| 05:46.19 | airtonix | and windows |
| 05:46.34 | Shirik | connect.microsoft.com |
| 05:46.42 | airtonix | am i allowed to reach that ? |
| 05:46.47 | Shirik | as for OSX, I have no idea; I've owned a macbook for like a week |
| 05:47.04 | airtonix | oh so you don't actually know if the same thing happens in the macosx bug tracker? |
| 05:47.21 | Shirik | the apple bug tracker is a lot simpler |
| 05:47.21 | Neffi | OS X has a bug tracker? |
| 05:47.27 | kd3 | hah, oops: "More than 200 cars were towed in Chicago because people were too stupid to remember the annual overnight parking ban started at midnight" |
| 05:47.30 | Shirik | it's "thanks for your report. We'll fix it never" |
| 05:47.32 | airtonix | Shirik: how do you know it's simplier? |
| 05:47.33 | kd3 | http://www.suntimes.com/24107726-761/overnight-parking-ban-began-sunday-200-plus-cars-towed.html |
| 05:47.38 | Shirik | until you create a security vulnerability |
| 05:47.45 | Shirik | then it's "WE WILL PAY YOU 5 MILLION DOLLARS" |
| 05:47.51 | Neffi | Sounds like you made a mistake buying your Mac ;) |
| 05:47.56 | Dagmar | Shirik: So you HAVE worked with Business Objects, then |
| 05:47.56 | airtonix | Shirik: you just said you have no idea about a macosx bug tracker, then you say it's simplier. |
| 05:48.11 | Neffi | You should develop your own OS from scratch Shirik, because all the rest suck. |
| 05:48.14 | Shirik | airtonix: your problem is you are taking my statements far too seriously |
| 05:48.40 | airtonix | well what do you expect when you claim linux sucks because quassel doesn handle it like my company |
| 05:48.50 | Shirik | Neffi: I doubt I would be able to exceed Linux's level, so there's little point to that |
| 05:48.56 | kd3 | oh my gods, people taking comments too seriously in irc. that never happens |
| 05:48.59 | Shirik | I never said Linux sucks because of that |
| 05:49.02 | Amarande | kd3: wow, remind me to add Chicago to places never to drive a car in :P |
| 05:49.07 | Shirik | I have been complaining about Linux for years |
| 05:49.14 | Neffi | whispers: then maybe you can write a patch... |
| 05:49.21 | airtonix | Shirik: and i don't doubt your company creates stirling sofware... but you're a diamond in the rough |
| 05:49.41 | Shirik | and for the record, the way Linux handled the out of disk space scenario this past time around worked fine |
| 05:49.49 | Shirik | I was able to delete stuff and move on |
| 05:49.55 | Shirik | you are connecting two random things together |
| 05:50.11 | airtonix | which makes the problem with open source software something that isn't unique to that group. commerical software more than likely suffers the same problems. you jsut don't know because you cant see. |
| 05:50.20 | Dagmar | airtonix: I would like to correct you but I prefer your imagery |
| 05:50.59 | airtonix | it's the same with my old bosses, they had iphones, their immediate friends had iphones so that according to that metric the rest of the world had iphones. |
| 05:51.56 | airtonix | i drive a blue car, boy aren't there lots of blue cars. |
| 05:51.59 | Neffi | you mean that's not how the world works? |
| 05:52.02 | Shirik | Amarande: You can make it a lot simpler |
| 05:52.04 | Neffi | oh geez maybe global warming is real |
| 05:52.06 | Shirik | Just don't go to Chicago |
| 05:52.34 | Shirik | The only thing I know about Chicago is their airport |
| 05:52.39 | Shirik | and every time I step foot in it I want to kill myself |
| 05:53.09 | airtonix | better airports as a service. occulus rift + google glass = better airports |
| 05:53.16 | Amarande | Shirik: I've only been through O'Hare a couple of times, and all I really remember about it is super tall escalators like they've got in Atlanta and Detroit |
| 05:53.21 | Amarande | nowadays I prefer Midway, which is pretty nice |
| 05:53.33 | Shirik | I try to go through IAH whenever possible |
| 05:53.52 | Amarande | also, on the topic of avoiding Chicago altogether ... the fiancee lives in the Chicago area, so :) |
| 05:54.01 | Shirik | sounds like it's time to break up |
| 05:54.12 | airtonix | Amarande: you could fly to the next state and walk back one busstop |
| 05:54.28 | Amarande | but yeah, Chicago's been good to me in my experience |
| 05:54.37 | Amarande | however, yeah, I probably wouldn't want to drive a car there. |
| 05:54.51 | Neffi | no Amarande |
| 05:54.54 | Amarande | a lot of cities are like that. I love Manhattan when I visit it, too |
| 05:54.58 | Amarande | but I wouldn't want to drive a car there either |
| 05:55.04 | Neffi | they dont know what the hell the word pizza means, and that's not OK |
| 05:55.21 | Amarande | no, manhattan doesn't know what the word pizza means :| |
| 05:55.39 | Neffi | manhattan is an island. it doesnt comprehend logic |
| 05:55.47 | Neffi | but if it did, it'd make a better pizza than chicago |
| 05:56.06 | Amarande | last time I had a pizza in Manhattan, the toppings were top notch, but the pizza crust made New York Times pages seem thick |
| 05:56.16 | A-KO | ^ |
| 05:56.20 | Neffi | that's what pizza should be like |
| 05:56.21 | A-KO | very sloppy pizza |
| 05:56.28 | A-KO | I'm not a fan of deep dish, personally. |
| 05:56.35 | A-KO | I like the fact that I can get the crust burned by Papa Johns :D |
| 05:56.44 | A-KO | much prefers a thin, darker crust |
| 05:56.46 | Neffi | papa johns? |
| 05:56.50 | Neffi | scorns A-KO. |
| 05:56.53 | Neffi | that's not pizza! |
| 05:56.56 | Semlar | yes it is |
| 05:57.08 | Neffi | no, it's bread with ketchup and cheese |
| 05:57.17 | Semlar | they even give you a jar of grease to pour all over it |
| 05:57.32 | A-KO | I actually prefer PJ's over most others. However, in general, I do prefer NY-style over Chicago-style pizzas if I have a choice. |
| 05:57.35 | Neffi | when you need to dip your "pizza" in butter, you know you failed miserably |
| 05:57.56 | Shirik | hey Neffi |
| 05:57.56 | Shirik | chicago has "Pizza" |
| 05:58.01 | Semlar | papa johns is my favorite pizza chain |
| 05:58.04 | A-KO | same |
| 05:58.12 | A-KO | Dominos is not pizza |
| 05:58.13 | Neffi | Semlar: you break my heart |
| 05:58.17 | A-KO | I don't quite know what it is... |
| 05:58.21 | A-KO | but it's not pizza |
| 05:58.32 | kd3 | the new dominos is actually a lot better than the old stuff was |
| 05:58.36 | Neffi | bah. you people. |
| 05:58.38 | A-KO | better, yes |
| 05:58.42 | Neffi | I'll stick to my real pizza. |
| 05:58.49 | A-KO | Neffi: where do you get this 'real' pizza? |
| 05:58.50 | Shirik | just ask jon stewart |
| 05:58.50 | Shirik | he LOVES chicago pizza |
| 05:58.51 | Neffi | I need a smoke after all this ! |
| 05:58.52 | A-KO | other than making it? |
| 05:59.06 | Neffi | From a pizzeria |
| 05:59.10 | Neffi | Not a fast food chain |
| 05:59.25 | A-KO | Most of the small pizza/sub shops near my area really suck. Including places that are billed as "THE BEST PIZZA IN BALTIMORE!".....even ones that are rated as the 'best' in Baltimore... |
| 05:59.29 | Semlar | i think technically they're still pizzerias |
| 05:59.42 | Neffi | The mistake is, you live in Baltimore =p |
| 05:59.51 | Amarande | hah, everything tries to claim it's good, even when it's not |
| 05:59.57 | A-KO | I once got a slice of pizza from what people consider the best place here....and the toppings were thrown on top and cold :( |
| 06:00.04 | Amarande | like some of these pathetic SD cards I see for sale in the drugstore or grocery store |
| 06:00.11 | Amarande | class 4 SD cards calling themselves "fast" LOL |
| 06:00.13 | A-KO | Amarande: I'm talking places rated in newspapers, been on TV shows, etc. |
| 06:00.32 | A-KO | I went once and never went again lol |
| 06:00.42 | Amarande | A-KO: well, there is something weird about some ratings |
| 06:00.47 | Neffi | I concur. Food critics are the biggest bullshit artists. |
| 06:00.49 | Amarande | like ... according to the last New York Zagat guide I read |
| 06:00.56 | Amarande | Five Guys has better food than Outback, LOL |
| 06:01.04 | Shirik | here Neffi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8IKxbOpt0E |
| 06:01.06 | Semlar | mebe people have different tastes |
| 06:01.11 | Amarande | I mean, Five Guys burgers are pretty good, but ... it's just a chain burger joint, in the end heh |
| 06:01.17 | A-KO | http://www.yelp.com/biz/bop-brick-oven-pizza-baltimore?nb=1 |
| 06:01.22 | Neffi | Semlar: No! there's wrong people, and there's me |
| 06:01.22 | kd3 | five guys fries... yum |
| 06:01.26 | A-KO | "Patrick B"'s experience is exactly mine |
| 06:01.29 | Neffi | Trust me, I eat a lot. I'm sort of an expert at eating. |
| 06:01.32 | A-KO | exactly what happened to me |
| 06:01.35 | Amarande | otoh, the Zagat seems to debunk some popularities |
| 06:01.38 | Amarande | like, say, Rao's |
| 06:02.00 | Amarande | Rao's, as anyone who knows anything about food and New York knows, is this Italian restaurant up in Harlem |
| 06:02.08 | Amarande | which is like, ridiculously impossible to get a table at |
| 06:02.13 | Neffi | Shirik: I saw that <3 |
| 06:02.25 | Amarande | I reckon you basically have to treat it like blizzcon tickets when it comes to how far in advance you have to get a table, heh |
| 06:02.28 | Semlar | i don't know anything about food or new york |
| 06:02.29 | Shirik | Query OK, 0 rows affected (6 min 2.14 sec) |
| 06:02.32 | Shirik | fu mysql :( |
| 06:02.43 | kd3 | I'm impressed |
| 06:03.00 | Amarande | and ... yet ... it actually doesn't really have food to go with its reputation apparently :S |
| 06:03.10 | Amarande | it only got a 22 out of 30 for food |
| 06:03.21 | Semlar | it doesn't need food, it's got reputation |
| 06:03.25 | Amarande | while the Aurora in SoHo got a 24, and when I got there the night I ate there, I found out I didn't even really need the reservation I'd made |
| 06:03.36 | Amarande | since it was so quiet that night |
| 06:03.55 | Amarande | nice little place. also the most expensive meal I've EVER had for just myself, heh |
| 06:04.23 | Amarande | tad shy of 70 bucks after tip for a solo eater :S |
| 06:04.39 | Amarande | and ... in Manhattan, they apparently call that "mid-range" |
| 06:05.18 | Neffi | If you're a yuppy |
| 06:05.48 | Neffi | There's lots of good food to be found at places you might not consider at first |
| 06:06.28 | Neffi | That cheap, shitty looking Halal place where you're sure the guy behind the counter wants to strangle you? What only $3 for a gyro. That shit'll taste better than your $70 meal. |
| 06:07.02 | kd3 | random tangent, does agi still provide AP for leather/mail users? |
| 06:07.10 | Semlar | yes |
| 06:07.52 | Semlar | attack powa and crit |
| 06:09.19 | A-KO | Neffi: There's a pit beef stand near where I work that is dirty looking, a rundown shack, costs $5.75 for a sandwich, cash only... |
| 06:09.21 | A-KO | and is delicious |
| 06:10.02 | A-KO | http://www.seriouseats.com/images/pioneer-pit-beef-woodlawn-maryland.jpg |
| 06:10.18 | A-KO | http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3044/3499889838_5ddb22d7d6_z.jpg |
| 06:10.25 | A-KO | so epic, so tasty |
| 06:10.25 | A-KO | :D |
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| 06:23.13 | Amarande | wtf, how does steam use so much upload bandwidth |
| 06:23.28 | Amarande | it's used like two gigs of upload while I've been downloading games *blink* |
| 06:23.57 | Shirik | it's steam |
| 06:24.02 | Shirik | it has to upload your soul first |
| 06:24.39 | Amarande | well, that's better than DNA, I guess |
| 06:24.41 | Amarande | that would suck |
| 06:24.52 | Amarande | seeing how dense data on DNA is :) |
| 06:25.06 | Amarande | apparently, you could encode basically the entire Internet into just a couple of grams of DNA |
| 06:31.08 | Semlar | are you calling my dna fat |
| 06:31.18 | Shirik | dude |
| 06:31.20 | Shirik | your DNA's so fat |
| 06:31.26 | Shirik | it's TNA |
| 06:32.17 | Semlar | :( |
| 06:34.32 | Sintacks | -- smartgroup functionality stolen from RSA without permission YOLOSWAG |
| 06:34.34 | Sintacks | lol |
| 06:35.01 | Sintacks | the funny bit about that is... the reason for this weakaura, is to say in party/raid Ironbark SWAG on target |
| 06:46.29 | Sintacks | blah. now i need to make this a custom trigger so i can sproperly set the name... |
| 06:47.05 | Sintacks | unless an event > combat log trigger sets a destination unit name ... |
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| 06:51.54 | Amarande | yay steam collection finished downloading |
| 06:51.57 | Amarande | time to get some sleep. |
| 06:54.47 | Sintacks | i don't even know how to make this trigger :| |
| 06:55.32 | karl_w_w | oh man ftl has defeated |
| 06:58.00 | karl_w_w | me |
| 06:58.21 | karl_w_w | in other news, boardwalk empire has the best theme tune |
| 07:00.22 | Neffi | ^ |
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| 07:06.11 | Sintacks | WELP |
| 07:06.13 | Sintacks | WOW LOCKED UP |
| 07:06.17 | Sintacks | SO THAT AURA IS GONE |
| 07:06.19 | Sintacks | SO FUCK THAT |
| 07:06.21 | Sintacks | not re-writting |
| 07:06.25 | Sintacks | also, fuck you blizzard |
| 07:06.27 | Neffi | ;( |
| 07:06.44 | Neffi | He shouldn't be winking, but he's a willfull little emoticreature |
| 07:07.32 | Maldivia | perhaps it's a tear |
| 07:07.36 | Semlar | he isn't winking |
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| 07:11.39 | Neffi | Semlar: why can't I sleep? |
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| 07:11.52 | Semlar | because you can't stop thinking of me |
| 07:12.03 | Neffi | =( |
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| 07:12.23 | Semlar | shhh, don't fight it |
| 07:13.06 | Neffi | but i have a job interview tomorrow morning |
| 07:15.31 | Semlar | but it's seepy time |
| 07:16.05 | Neffi | >_> |
| 07:17.57 | Semlar | don't blink |
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| 07:19.01 | karl_w_w | http://www.darklegacycomics.com/418.html LOL |
| 07:26.14 | Neffi | lua> return debug.setfenv |
| 07:26.14 | lua_bot | Neffi: luabot:1: attempt to index global 'debug' (a nil value) |
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| 07:30.11 | Neffi | http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/12/anti-gmo-crop-paper-to-be-forcibly-retracted/ |
| 07:30.38 | Neffi | Too bad the damage is already done |
| 07:31.24 | Neffi | You've got hipsters all around without the inkling of scientific background to even grasp what "GMO" means spouting off how it's gonna give us all cancer |
| 07:36.24 | tz | welcome to the real world |
| 07:36.53 | tz | people think they're experts because bob down the street told them something that he heard on tv from some celebrity |
| 07:36.58 | Neffi | tis a silly place and I'd go the way I came if I could find the way back |
| 07:37.31 | Neffi | Or a website that looks official and gives them the "facts" |
| 07:37.40 | tz | www.dhmo.org |
| 07:37.52 | tz | ^this |
| 07:38.09 | tz | sadly I know people who fell for it |
| 07:38.09 | tz | ugh |
| 07:39.07 | Neffi | http://www.nongmoproject.org/learn-more/ |
| 07:39.11 | Neffi | 4th result for GMO in google |
| 07:39.28 | Neffi | "Most developed nations do not consider GMOs to be safe." |
| 07:40.14 | Neffi | The most damaging thing is often sites like this, that never technically lie, but portray the truth in a meaningless and intentionally warped way |
| 07:40.48 | Neffi | It's a lot harder for most people to recognize a logical fallacy than it is for them to recognize an outright lie |
| 07:53.17 | jleclanche | " The Chromium developers disregard Visual Studio and don't use Makefile but still manage somehow to write an incredibly high-quality code. How come?" |
| 07:53.17 | jleclanche | ... seriously? |
| 07:58.11 | zenzio | who wrote that? |
| 08:05.38 | Neffi | Google finds it |
| 08:07.20 | Neffi | http://www.viva64.com/en/b/0225/ |
| 08:08.04 | zenzio | I guess we should all start using Makefiles so that our code becomes high-quality |
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| 08:43.58 | Trela | zenzio: I cringed a little reading that. |
| 08:47.37 | jleclanche | "2013-09-17-At-44252-PM" |
| 08:47.41 | jleclanche | worst datestamp format ever |
| 08:48.25 | nevcairiel | at least it doesnt use US date pattern |
| 08:48.43 | nevcairiel | not sure how to read the time though |
| 08:49.05 | jleclanche | h.mm.ss without separators |
| 08:49.10 | jleclanche | in 12 hour format |
| 08:49.11 | jleclanche | .. |
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| 08:51.09 | Fisker | sounds like fun on the bun |
| 09:04.27 | airtonix | in the bun? |
| 09:05.39 | airtonix | jleclanche: everyone uses visualstudio right? |
| 09:20.24 | karl_w_w | everyone in the worlds |
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| 10:30.38 | jleclanche | Google you fucking asinine UX morons |
| 10:31.08 | jleclanche | just because I'd let hangouts manage my sms doesn't mean I want to lose the different sound for the two message types |
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| 10:32.00 | jleclanche | Cairenn: we should make a deal to rename this channel #rantsaboutux when Im up late at night. |
| 10:32.46 | zenzio | let's be honest, isn't it more #devrants? We all do it |
| 10:33.05 | jleclanche | i like that. |
| 10:33.06 | Cairenn | quite |
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| 10:40.28 | Fisker | poor jleclanche |
| 10:42.56 | jleclanche | Heres a question |
| 10:43.07 | jleclanche | why does stock android still not have a qr code scanner? |
| 10:44.32 | zenzio | good question |
| 10:44.50 | zenzio | isn't there basically one ubiquitous app that everyone uses? |
| 10:45.06 | jleclanche | yes, Barcode Scanner |
| 10:46.00 | Fisker | it does jleclanche |
| 10:46.02 | Fisker | google goggles |
| 10:46.29 | jleclanche | thats not stock android tho |
| 10:46.36 | jleclanche | hell its not even gapps |
| 10:46.38 | Fisker | Nothing is stock android anymore anyway |
| 10:46.50 | jleclanche | yeah but i havent seen google goggles on any other model than the nexus |
| 10:47.00 | Fisker | Also fuck adobe and having to deauthorize on the device with no way to do it online except chat with support |
| 10:47.10 | nevcairiel | whats stock android anyway, AOSP? or google apps? :p |
| 10:47.16 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: its not in either |
| 10:47.20 | Fisker | I don't think goggles even came with N5 |
| 10:47.25 | jleclanche | heres the thing Fisker |
| 10:47.26 | Fisker | or Nexus |
| 10:47.29 | jleclanche | it should be in the builtin camera app |
| 10:47.54 | nevcairiel | yeah i dont have goggles on the n5 |
| 10:49.08 | jleclanche | sidenote |
| 10:49.20 | jleclanche | since installing cyanogenmod again, I'm *really* happy with my S3 |
| 10:49.30 | Fisker | It's not bad hardware |
| 10:49.30 | jleclanche | piece of shit of an excuse samsung's interface was |
| 10:49.35 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 10:49.44 | nevcairiel | yeah i dont really like their interface changes |
| 10:50.02 | jleclanche | and it was so horribly SLOW and drained so much fucking battery |
| 10:50.37 | zenzio | I was surprised last week when my Nexus 7 tablet wanted to install 4.4 |
| 10:51.04 | zenzio | I realize it takes effort to upgrade the custom versions that the phone manufacturers do, but I'd expect them to be at least closer to current |
| 10:51.57 | nevcairiel | your comment kinda escapes me, you mean you didnt expect it to upgrade because you're used to worse things from non-google devices? |
| 10:52.29 | zenzio | "expect" is a bit strong, but something to that effect |
| 10:53.55 | zenzio | how current does Cyanogen stay; and is it easy to upgrade? |
| 10:55.09 | jleclanche | i havent upgraded it recently, but two years ago it was dead easy |
| 10:55.30 | jleclanche | its slightly trickier to install but nothing hard for anyone comfortable with tech |
| 10:55.59 | zenzio | maybe it's time to try it again now that I have a worthwhile phone. I don't so much mind Samsung's version, but I do prefer the "cleaner" stock |
| 10:56.02 | jleclanche | as for how current it stays.. id say about 3-6 months behind latest android? dunno |
| 10:56.15 | jleclanche | that is from announcement day |
| 10:56.25 | zenzio | I'd have bought the stock Galaxy 4 if it was available at the time |
| 10:56.31 | jleclanche | KK was, what, 3 months ago? and 10.3 (with KK support) is under dev |
| 10:56.51 | airtonix | zenzio: using rom manager installing new versions of cyanogenmod is stupid easy |
| 10:57.13 | zenzio | airtonix: cool, thanks :) |
| 10:57.15 | airtonix | 1. open rom manager 2. choose version 3. install |
| 10:58.10 | airtonix | i recently put multirom on my nexus 7 so i could choose at boot time to use either : ubuntu phone, ubuntu, and cyanogenmod |
| 10:58.24 | airtonix | that was slightly more difficult to setup. |
| 10:58.25 | jleclanche | that exists now? neat |
| 10:58.42 | airtonix | yeah ubuntu make arm builds of their desktop distro |
| 10:58.46 | jleclanche | that said, what the fuck, ubuntu phone? |
| 10:58.53 | jleclanche | i meant multirom |
| 10:58.57 | airtonix | yeah worst phone ui ever |
| 10:59.06 | jleclanche | try firefox os see how it holds up |
| 10:59.21 | airtonix | what about sailfish? |
| 10:59.38 | airtonix | but yeah firefox os i'd like |
| 10:59.46 | jleclanche | well im a fan of sailfish os because the guys are awesome |
| 10:59.53 | jleclanche | but all ive seen of it was its presentation back at akademy |
| 10:59.58 | airtonix | the skinny of it will be how you make apps |
| 10:59.59 | jleclanche | and i fell asleep. |
| 11:00.15 | jleclanche | that said i remember it was neat |
| 11:00.29 | airtonix | http://www.droidviews.com/how-to-triple-boot-nexus-4-on-android-firefox-os-ubuntu-touch/ |
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| 11:06.25 | Fisker | being in queue with adobe support is super fun |
| 11:09.37 | zenzio | they're not playing "never gonna give you up", are they? |
| 11:11.05 | Fisker | maybe |
| 11:11.07 | Fisker | I don't have sound |
| 11:11.21 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/5w8N6nV.jpg <-that's the evilest thing I've ever seen :3 |
| 11:12.20 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 11:12.43 | nevcairiel | mmm onion |
| 11:12.53 | zenzio | hah |
| 11:43.05 | karl_w_w | that's so old |
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| 12:21.13 | zenzio | I didn't know Shirik had a website... http://cppquiz.org/ |
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| 14:43.58 | mikma | http://youtu.be/T5nfV3S7sqI |
| 14:51.04 | airtonix | can we see a youtube reaction video of you watching that youtube reaction video mikma? |
| 14:52.05 | airtonix | anyway, mikma I know you'll be right on that (i love can do people), in the mean time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6DmHGYy_xk |
| 15:08.57 | Fisker | that's not a reaction mikma |
| 15:09.01 | Fisker | that's measured response |
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| 15:47.04 | airtonix | Dagmar: could you explain to me like I'm five why redirecting to a .local domain from an oauth2 login is considered a possible security leak? (if i'm just doing this in development) |
| 15:47.19 | airtonix | https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/oauth2-dev/egJ5ai0QI70 |
| 15:51.07 | airtonix | wtf google |
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| 15:56.18 | Fisker | because the grownups say so airtonix |
| 15:56.45 | airtonix | oh thanks Fisker. totally explained it. here have gold |
| 15:57.00 | Fisker | thanks |
| 15:57.02 | airtonix | upvotes fisker |
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| 16:43.40 | Fisker | hey Lopeppeppy |
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| 16:50.05 | Wimpface | is there a way to compare a variable to a table? basically, i want to check the name of my character and if it matches any of the names in my table, it does something |
| 16:50.08 | Wimpface | but i can't figure it out |
| 16:50.47 | Wimpface | so i reverted to just doing a bunch of elseif statements but i was hoping there was a cleaner way of doing it? |
| 16:51.27 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Fisker. I'm having a Monday (tm) |
| 17:04.19 | Fisker | ooooh |
| 17:04.24 | Fisker | hides |
| 17:05.50 | TC-Work | Lopeppeppy: Well, Woman up and Monday back at them. |
| 17:06.25 | Fisker | I'm having a monday too |
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| 17:07.03 | Fisker | Like when I get an email after I went home early to see the dentist saying I would have something done by tomorrow at 13 |
| 17:07.36 | Fisker | worst part about it is that it shouldn't even be done |
| 17:07.44 | Fisker | But I guess I don't have a say in it either way |
| 17:08.19 | Fisker | Just like wasting money on iphones for corporate emails |
| 17:08.29 | Fisker | because no other device could fill that role |
| 17:15.53 | foxlit | http://www.wowhead.com/map << this is totally unacceptable |
| 17:16.17 | foxlit | you can't navigate from zone to zone, and instead must zoom out to the continent map. |
| 17:16.46 | foxlit | It shows non-capturable battle pets, and no one cares about those. |
| 17:16.48 | Arrowmaster | i had the morning off but im spending it messing with my schedule |
| 17:17.19 | Arrowmaster | i found an appointment from October i never rescheduled and now im booked till February |
| 17:17.27 | Fisker | hey foxlit |
| 17:17.32 | foxlit | And the map is centered to ensure that the ad and unmovable filtering/list UI overlaps with it unless your browser window is gargantuan. |
| 17:18.09 | Fisker | what ad? |
| 17:18.23 | TC-Work | foxlit: yes you can, the tree at the top left |
| 17:18.55 | foxlit | TC-Work: hurray for dropdowns. I meant by clicking on the rather obvious faded out blocks of the actual map. |
| 17:19.32 | TC-Work | foxlit: some do, like Blades edge to netherstorm |
| 17:20.19 | foxlit | but not Zangarmarsh |
| 17:20.38 | TC-Work | Might have been a wip that got pushed down the list |
| 17:21.01 | foxlit | this thing is what, a few years old now? |
| 17:21.51 | TC-Work | one year? |
| 17:21.55 | TC-Work | Pandaria is on it |
| 17:22.32 | Gethe | it was made for pet battles |
| 17:23.32 | foxlit | heh, the reverse "it's that old?!" effect. |
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| 17:28.38 | pompy1 | lolwut http://nerdreactor.com/2013/12/02/lindsay-lohan-siccing-lawyers-rockstar-gta-v/ |
| 17:53.18 | karl_w_w | whoa mass effect 3, dat lesbian innuendo |
| 17:53.20 | Mihau | Using likeness in a game, unless named, is kind of hard to judge. How many blond hair women are there out there that fit that generic profile/silhouette? |
| 17:53.51 | karl_w_w | "i guess you're rubbing off on me" - "hoping to anyway" |
| 17:58.59 | Torhal | Mihau: There's nothing about that picture that made me say "Oh, that looks like her" |
| 17:59.13 | Torhal | Not even being TOLD it's supposed to be her makes me see it. |
| 17:59.31 | Mihau | Attention whore syndrome. AWS |
| 18:03.18 | zenzelezz | Anarchy Online, the game where weather follows you inside |
| 18:20.29 | Ackis | Torhal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYIwPu50Fic |
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| 18:25.26 | Arrow|phone | So my friend called me over to look at his wireless before I left for work |
| 18:26.47 | Arrow|phone | He's been unable to connect from his Xbox for 3 days and I was getting auth failure trying to connect from my cellphone but his laptop has been connected fine and still working |
| 18:26.49 | Arrow|phone | Ideas? |
| 18:27.00 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/7qUUnFM.jpg |
| 18:28.32 | Mr_Rabies | change his wifi password on the router and retry, Arrowmaster |
| 18:28.58 | haste | might be the channel as well |
| 18:29.05 | Shirik | what |
| 18:29.26 | Mr_Rabies | or try updating the router firmware |
| 18:30.51 | Arrow|phone | Yeah all things to look at tonight |
| 18:31.14 | Arrow|phone | Didn't have time to try anything yet |
| 18:36.56 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
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| 18:38.12 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 18:38.19 | Fisker | hey |
| 18:38.51 | Fisker | i went to apple.com today |
| 18:40.17 | Shirik | and you bought a macbook |
| 18:40.18 | Shirik | because you realized they're the best thing ever |
| 18:40.21 | Fisker | no Shirik |
| 18:47.28 | Lopeppeppy | He bought me a pwny! |
| 18:49.03 | Fisker | can't get that from Apple daywalker |
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| 18:50.34 | Torhal | Ackis: o.O |
| 18:51.16 | Fisker | hey Torhal |
| 18:51.19 | Fisker | Ackis still hates me |
| 18:51.42 | Torhal | Ackis hates everyone, Fisker. Very bitter. |
| 18:51.54 | Ackis | ? |
| 18:54.06 | Fisker | yeah |
| 18:54.13 | Fisker | I noticed his hate too |
| 18:54.42 | Fisker | I just wanted to play pokemanz with him |
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| 18:56.23 | Shirik | a pwny? |
| 18:58.54 | Fisker | don't ruin fun Shirik |
| 18:59.03 | Fisker | Or I'll send every ginger after you |
| 18:59.17 | Shirik | and why am I afraid of this? |
| 18:59.33 | Fisker | Because we devour your soul |
| 18:59.57 | Shirik | hold up |
| 18:59.59 | Shirik | Fisker is a ginger? |
| 19:00.22 | cogwheel | only a ginger can call another ginger ginger |
| 19:01.01 | rid_ | nope cogwheel |
| 19:02.22 | cogwheel | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0IVuGK7sAw |
| 19:03.04 | Fisker | technically a daywalker Shirik |
| 19:04.01 | Shirik | Fisker: you cannot mad bro me |
| 19:04.04 | Shirik | I am at United club |
| 19:04.12 | Fisker | I don't mad bro |
| 19:04.54 | rid_ | cogwheel: oh :< |
| 19:11.07 | Shirik | do you have to say "peace be upon him" after you say Muhammad's name? |
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| 19:19.14 | Fisker | no Shirik |
| 19:22.54 | Fisker | omg 10 customers Shirik |
| 19:24.03 | Shirik | Fisker: |
| 19:24.09 | Fisker | hello |
| 19:24.36 | Shirik | then why so https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gabriel&diff=584245724&oldid=584244265 |
| 19:25.08 | Fisker | TL;DR |
| 19:25.43 | Shirik | just comment |
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| 19:26.43 | Fisker | LOL |
| 19:27.21 | Fisker | Ymblanter is a dick though Shirik |
| 19:43.38 | bleeter | oh, I hadn't seen the announcement about SteamOS where nVidia are beinging PhysX OptiX etc to Linux. SWEEET |
| 19:43.56 | Shirik | how about they bring PhysX to Windows first |
| 19:44.10 | Fisker | I'm speaking to Mahesh Shirik |
| 19:44.33 | bleeter | cogwheel: are you a gingener? |
| 19:44.59 | bleeter | Shirik: well windows can go fuck itself more than nvidia ... so..... ;) :P |
| 19:46.59 | bleeter | ah hmm mbit more detailed than that summary I just read (old, Oct 2013) http://gearnuke.com/nvidia-announces-gameworks-program-montreal-2013-supports-steamos/ |
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| 20:01.45 | Amarande | ... I just tried to join #wowuihead, ROFL |
| 20:02.40 | sintAcks | wake up, Amarande |
| 20:02.56 | Sintacks | Amarande, /join 0 |
| 20:02.58 | Sintacks | do eet |
| 20:03.11 | Amarande | :p |
| 20:03.21 | Amarande | hey, I had to work at 7:30 this morning and I seem to have caught a cold as well :| |
| 20:03.54 | Sintacks | the gadget i use to monitor graphics temp/fan/usage isn't working after latest driver update :( |
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| 20:11.59 | bleeter | Sintacks: did you try hitting it with a hammer? |
| 20:13.21 | bleeter | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Baf7ykLCUAAhobW.jpg |
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| 20:35.26 | kd3|hate`net | somehow the guy in the ghillie suit may not have thought this through: http://imgur.com/wCswtPB |
| 20:39.40 | Semlar | it's probably more effective from the other angle |
| 20:40.17 | TC-Work | Actually, it does look like there is greenery around. It might work |
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| 20:49.16 | bleeter | I dunno fuck all about mil camo, *BUT*.... I suspect it may be more effectitive if the car he/she were resting on weren't blazing white |
| 20:49.41 | bleeter | kinda like painting the tops of your navy traditional grey and the hulls white |
| 20:51.03 | bleeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:53.38 | Shirik | interesting sidenote |
| 20:53.46 | Shirik | standard military camo is now pixelated |
| 20:56.39 | bleeter | yup |
| 20:57.02 | Shirik | I still don't understand why |
| 20:57.06 | bleeter | simple and not ineffective method to mess with digital zooms |
| 20:57.13 | nevcairiel | helps you hide from digital surveillance? :p |
| 20:58.10 | bleeter | because the digital zoom will interpolate the data of non-pixellated camo when zoomed in. but with pixellation at different scales, the cheap domestic and even semi-pro sensors get real fucked up |
| 20:58.29 | bleeter | probably even pro 4k RED cams, too |
| 20:58.46 | bleeter | at least, that was my theory when I first saw it. makes enough sense to me :P |
| 20:59.05 | xyphoid | is digital camo really anything to do with cameras? i thought it was just easy to print and allowed small and large structures |
| 20:59.12 | bleeter | Shirik: I could probably actually my theory myself but, well, you know... lazy |
| 20:59.15 | Sintacks | how does duration info work in a custom weakaura trigger... |
| 21:01.23 | bleeter | xyphoid: 'traditional' camo relied on the image captured having very low hue/contrast differences. this can be 'corrected' in camera on digital. all that's left in a manner to camo against that is to somehow introduce noise - which is difficult because the sensor could be very sensitive to certain wavelengths. |
| 21:02.10 | bleeter | xyphoid: so gotta go after creating noise at the pixel kinda level, not worry as much about the contrast etc. (but as I say, my theory... although my name isn't Anne Elk) |
| 21:05.42 | jleclanche | Im honestly surprised theres no .cdn tld |
| 21:07.44 | pompy1 | launch update https://www.facebook.com/SpaceX/posts/10153609439935131 |
| 21:10.14 | Gethe | sintacks: http://www.wowace.com/addons/weakauras/forum/22046-custom-duration-issue-progress-bar/#p2 |
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| 21:15.50 | Sintacks | thanks, Gethe. that's what i couldn't find. the format duration info is wanting |
| 21:20.10 | Shirik | so that train that derailed |
| 21:20.10 | Shirik | it was going 82mph in a 30mph zone |
| 21:20.14 | kd3|hate`net | thought so |
| 21:20.48 | Semlar | did it hit a penny |
| 21:20.49 | FakeBleeter | wonder if it'll be like that france thing where it was probably with the driver on the phone to HQ screaming 'the fucking thing won't slow down' |
| 21:20.57 | Shirik | bye kd3 |
| 21:21.05 | FakeBleeter | (at least, that was the story I heard there) |
| 21:21.08 | kd3|hate`net | bye, my ghost |
| 21:21.18 | Shirik | oh now you've gone and done it |
| 21:21.20 | Semlar | g-g-g-ghost! |
| 21:21.22 | Shirik | you're setting yourself up for a nick collision |
| 21:21.33 | kd3 | yup |
| 21:21.50 | kd3 | actually, probably not. I expect my ghost will time out before the split's over |
| 21:22.51 | Shirik | or the server might have simply gone offline I guess |
| 21:23.03 | Shirik | in which case it's going to totally forget you, obviously |
| 21:26.01 | fewyn | i wonder when 5.4.2 is going to be |
| 21:26.25 | FakeBleeter | Soon(tm) |
| 21:26.40 | fewyn | next week probably? i'd think it'd be before winter veil |
| 21:26.46 | Mr_Rabies | i can't wait for cross-realm raid tool |
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| 21:27.01 | Mr_Rabies | hopefully people will use it in the meantime |
| 21:27.09 | Mr_Rabies | i hope it's in the patch notes in big huge bold letters |
| 21:27.10 | Bleeter | isn't the first week of Dec their usual target? gives them max of two weeks to fix serious crap before Christmas break? |
| 21:27.15 | Ressy | 5.4.2 will be sometime before March. :) |
| 21:27.42 | Bleeter | ok ok didn't used to be 'usual'.... I miss those days! ;) |
| 21:28.26 | nevcairiel | Mr_Rabies: the old raid tool still sucks balls, even if it gets cross realm, it remains terrible |
| 21:28.26 | Mr_Rabies | eh, i doubt there will be much serious crap in 5.4.2 |
| 21:28.38 | Mr_Rabies | thoughhhh, 5.4.1 had some serious crap with the parental controls |
| 21:28.42 | nevcairiel | which is why it was never used on your own realm either |
| 21:28.46 | Mr_Rabies | that's about as big as to be expected in 5.4.2 |
| 21:28.52 | Fisker | night friendos and Shirik |
| 21:29.01 | fewyn | 5.4.2 has cross realm heirloom mails |
| 21:29.02 | Shirik | is not a friendo :( |
| 21:29.11 | Mr_Rabies | nevcairiel: yeah, but it's at least as usable as oqueue/openraid for world bosses and flex |
| 21:29.16 | Mr_Rabies | as long as people use it |
| 21:29.16 | fewyn | there's no maint scheduled for tomorrow |
| 21:29.18 | fewyn | so yeah |
| 21:29.22 | Bleeter | yeah if I were project managing 6.0, I'd wanna try and get the new raidtool backported to get it properly playtested before upgrading other stuff around it |
| 21:29.27 | fewyn | i doubt it's tomorrow |
| 21:29.29 | pompy1 | https://www.facebook.com/nerdreactor/posts/726619087368092:0 |
| 21:29.44 | Mr_Rabies | and i kind of hope the oqueue guy has a meltdown when it's added |
| 21:29.48 | Mr_Rabies | dude's got some issues |
| 21:29.50 | nevcairiel | Bleeter: there is no "new raidtool" yet, all they did was switch the backend on for cross-realm, its the same old thing |
| 21:29.53 | Fisker | that also means good night Lopeppeppy_ |
| 21:30.00 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, the new raid tool is coming with 6.0 |
| 21:30.09 | Mr_Rabies | they just worked in cross-realm stuff for the old one for now |
| 21:30.15 | nevcairiel | does that thing even have world bosses? |
| 21:30.23 | Mr_Rabies | it will in 5.4.2 if it doesn't now |
| 21:30.30 | nevcairiel | are you sure? :p |
| 21:30.35 | Mr_Rabies | the cross realm stuff will be flex and world bosses |
| 21:30.42 | Mr_Rabies | nothing else, yet |
| 21:31.02 | Bleeter | nevcairiel: oh I thought there was a usable UI coming along somewhere which didn't make me want to jam a crowbar up my arse my bad :P |
| 21:31.03 | nevcairiel | of course nothing else works cross realm |
| 21:31.12 | nevcairiel | Bleeter: with 6.0 |
| 21:31.21 | nevcairiel | 5.4.2 just makes the old UI cross-realm |
| 21:31.30 | Mr_Rabies | it's not -that- bad, to be honest |
| 21:31.35 | Semlar | they're making the raid tool cross realm? |
| 21:31.39 | Mr_Rabies | i think it's just not used because it's not used because it's not used |
| 21:31.46 | nevcairiel | and that wont change |
| 21:31.47 | foxlit | Hey, free cross-realm comms for everyone. |
| 21:32.09 | Mr_Rabies | possibly, nevcairiel, but if people realize it's there they might |
| 21:32.37 | nevcairiel | i remember the BC beta, for some reason during the beta the LFD tool of the period was used extensively and you could find people to run the beta content with |
| 21:32.46 | nevcairiel | live hit, noone ever looked at the tool |
| 21:32.55 | Semlar | uhh |
| 21:33.02 | Mr_Rabies | i used to use the tool in tbc |
| 21:33.03 | Semlar | everyone used the dungeon finder |
| 21:33.28 | Mr_Rabies | it actually had a decent following on my realm |
| 21:33.29 | nevcairiel | not on my realm :p |
| 21:33.33 | Mr_Rabies | but then they further obscured it |
| 21:33.46 | Mr_Rabies | and dungeon/raid finder happened |
| 21:33.50 | Semlar | it was buggy and you could only be in one of the dungeons at once though |
| 21:33.56 | Mr_Rabies | so most of the reason to use it kind of vanished then |
| 21:34.02 | Bleeter | can you use LFD to scale a toon down and join some lvl 30 team yet for some run you missed back in your levelling? |
| 21:34.09 | nevcairiel | no |
| 21:34.28 | Mr_Rabies | not yet, the tech's there but they want it to be an optional deal sometime in the future when it's finalized |
| 21:35.03 | Semlar | it would be nice if you could actually queue with lower level people |
| 21:35.04 | Mr_Rabies | everything scales now but it's kind of weird right now |
| 21:35.28 | Bleeter | see, there's half the problem. who the hell is going to go out into the world, get to the dungeon and then just solo the lot in under 60 seconds. talk about completely boring. |
| 21:35.29 | Mr_Rabies | so it's not actually intentionally implemented for old dungeons yet |
| 21:35.38 | Mr_Rabies | i do, bleeter |
| 21:35.43 | Mr_Rabies | for transmog gear |
| 21:35.47 | pompy1 | http://blog.malwarebytes.org/hacking-2/2013/12/saudi-hacker-compromise-undead-labs-forum/ |
| 21:36.03 | Mr_Rabies | i think more people do that than will want to scale down and run older content |
| 21:36.09 | Mr_Rabies | on-level |
| 21:36.16 | Mr_Rabies | running with lowbies suuuuuucks |
| 21:36.17 | Bleeter | Mr_Rabies: makes sense for that, sure. but it's an MMO, surely the aim should be ... the multiplayer foo |
| 21:36.24 | Mr_Rabies | it is |
| 21:36.38 | Mr_Rabies | but soloing is a lot of fun |
| 21:36.49 | Mr_Rabies | i don't solo dungeons that much unless i want a specific piece of xmog gear |
| 21:36.56 | Semlar | it's an mmo except it has a ton of things that promote solo play over playing with other people |
| 21:36.58 | Mr_Rabies | but i do solo a TON of raids |
| 21:37.04 | Bleeter | soloing Stocks at 90 for Tushui rep is boring as crap. fast, sure. but booooring. |
| 21:37.13 | nevcairiel | i already hate doing normal scenarios because people are clueless idiots, low level dungeons are usually even more clueless people |
| 21:37.24 | Bleeter | I fell asleep last time I tried farming to the next rep level |
| 21:37.26 | Mr_Rabies | tushy rep is easy as heck |
| 21:37.34 | Mr_Rabies | yes |
| 21:37.35 | Mr_Rabies | tushy |
| 21:37.49 | Bleeter | is it? i kinda missed all the info at the time and found someone saying just keep rinsing stocks |
| 21:37.58 | Semlar | why the hell can you still not do quests in a raid |
| 21:38.14 | nevcairiel | because they dont want 40 man leveling groups |
| 21:38.18 | kd3 | ^ |
| 21:38.19 | Semlar | why |
| 21:38.22 | Bleeter | bots |
| 21:38.23 | nevcairiel | cause |
| 21:38.28 | foxlit | trivialized content is not "fun" |
| 21:38.34 | Mr_Rabies | that's something they want to fix, Semlar, but they don't want a bunch of quests to become entirely 100% trivial from raids |
| 21:38.46 | Bleeter | armies of bots, 40 strong, levelling... easy enough just to say 'no can do at all' |
| 21:39.01 | Mr_Rabies | people will do what's the most efficient no matter what |
| 21:39.18 | foxlit | having said that, wow's outdoor grouping incentives are basically non-existent. |
| 21:39.23 | Semlar | when was the last time you saw someone try and put a PARTY together to level |
| 21:39.28 | Semlar | let alone a raid |
| 21:39.51 | nevcairiel | if it would turn out to be faster, massive amounts of people would organize during xpac launch |
| 21:40.08 | Mr_Rabies | i think the concept of grouping in general is changing |
| 21:40.10 | Semlar | and why the hell shouldn't it be faster |
| 21:40.12 | Semlar | it's an mmo |
| 21:40.24 | Semlar | right now it's completely focused on soloing everything |
| 21:40.32 | Semlar | it hurts you to group with people |
| 21:40.33 | Mr_Rabies | it'll still be there, but group questing in WoD will mostly not be penalized by helping other players |
| 21:41.02 | Mr_Rabies | shared mob taps, etc will probably become the norm |
| 21:41.09 | Mr_Rabies | basically like timeless isle was testing |
| 21:41.42 | Mr_Rabies | big quest mobs already became shared taps in cata, but in WoD i think they'll take it further |
| 21:41.55 | Mr_Rabies | and promote working together without necessarily grouping |
| 21:42.07 | nevcairiel | I think it would be kinda silly if every push-over mob is shared tap |
| 21:42.10 | Bleeter | mates of mine used to raid up for the rock giants off feralas, we'd also hunt down grey feathers (back in the vanilla DMF days). good times. |
| 21:42.29 | Bleeter | .s/off/in/ |
| 21:42.37 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, nevcairiel, but at the same time |
| 21:42.40 | Bleeter | can't recall what importance the giants had... /shrug |
| 21:42.44 | Semlar | nothing worse than trying to level with friends and running into a gathering quest |
| 21:42.49 | Mr_Rabies | it's better than waiting for respawns |
| 21:42.53 | nevcairiel | if you group up for a quest, you dont go killing the same mob with two people, you find two mobs, one for each |
| 21:43.07 | nevcairiel | because its faster |
| 21:43.10 | foxlit | better yet: you find all the mobs and AoE them down |
| 21:43.21 | Mr_Rabies | waiting for respawns is the worst thing in a leveling experience |
| 21:43.26 | xyphoid | i am playing lotro at the moment and man, it's refreshing to run across group quests and areas |
| 21:43.44 | Mr_Rabies | scenarios have pretty much replaced traditional group questing, and i like them |
| 21:43.48 | nevcairiel | Even at MoP launch i dont remember extensive waiting |
| 21:43.59 | Mr_Rabies | depends on realm, of course |
| 21:44.15 | nevcairiel | I was on the biggest PvE realm in the DE pool at the time |
| 21:44.23 | Mr_Rabies | but mine, a low-medium population, involved a ton of waiting for tons of quests during the first week of MoP |
| 21:44.36 | xyphoid | haha did you get stuck on the gyrocopters |
| 21:44.57 | Mr_Rabies | that was the first one, yeah, but the entire jade forest was pretty much empty of quest mobs |
| 21:44.59 | nevcairiel | its not like classic or BC where you constantly ran out of mobs |
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| 21:45.09 | nevcairiel | the dynamic spawns work quite well these days |
| 21:45.11 | xyphoid | i have some screenshots of this non-euclidean orbiting gyrocopter ouroborous |
| 21:45.21 | Mr_Rabies | it needs some tweaking still, nevcairiel |
| 21:45.52 | nevcairiel | sometimes it even feels too strong, unable to leave an area without mobs spawning around you and wanting to get killed |
| 21:45.54 | Semlar | you can still quite easily run into a situation where you have to wait for respawns |
| 21:46.00 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 21:46.07 | Mr_Rabies | i even do it when soloing quests in the old world sometimes |
| 21:46.19 | Mr_Rabies | i'll kill all of the mobs available and still need to kill more to complete the quest |
| 21:46.25 | nevcairiel | I dont think they adjusted the old world really |
| 21:46.37 | Mr_Rabies | timeless isle, too |
| 21:46.48 | Mr_Rabies | the soloable yaungol are pretty much constantly dead on my realm |
| 21:46.55 | Mr_Rabies | and we're low-medium pop |
| 21:46.58 | Mr_Rabies | even today they are |
| 21:47.00 | nevcairiel | go solo frogs instead |
| 21:47.05 | Mr_Rabies | frogs don't give rep |
| 21:47.10 | Semlar | although i don't quest at all when leveling a character that has a non-dps spec |
| 21:47.24 | Mr_Rabies | i'm pretty much done with traditional questing |
| 21:47.26 | foxlit | the timeless isle rep grind should go die in a fire somewhere. |
| 21:47.29 | Mr_Rabies | MoP killed it for me |
| 21:47.32 | nevcairiel | timeless isle is a crap design anyway |
| 21:47.33 | Mr_Rabies | eh i think it's okay foxlit |
| 21:47.51 | Semlar | if i can spec into not-dps i can just queue for dungeons |
| 21:48.12 | nevcairiel | dungeon leveling is even more boring and annoying then questing in classic |
| 21:48.25 | xyphoid | yeah how do you stand doing that |
| 21:48.34 | foxlit | Mr_Rabies: reward/time is absolutely abysmal, and the content itself horribly repetitive. |
| 21:48.37 | xyphoid | at least questing you moving from place to place instead of doing the same thing over and over |
| 21:48.39 | Bleeter | i still think timeless is more than OK for folks coming back after leaving since ~ Cata |
| 21:48.46 | foxlit | That's a very, very, very bad combination that they should never use again. |
| 21:48.52 | Semlar | because i outlevel zones before i can even travel to the next one |
| 21:49.20 | Mr_Rabies | well, foxlit |
| 21:49.20 | nevcairiel | the first day on timeless isle with finding all the chests and getting the gear is OK, but any further days on the isle are just horrible |
| 21:49.22 | Mr_Rabies | that's the thing |
| 21:49.27 | Mr_Rabies | it's meant to not have a great reward |
| 21:49.35 | Mr_Rabies | so it's just something you work on if you really want it |
| 21:49.41 | Mr_Rabies | it's like a vanilla reputation, really |
| 21:49.43 | Mr_Rabies | that was the intent |
| 21:49.53 | foxlit | vanilla reputations generally had meaningful rewards. |
| 21:50.00 | Mr_Rabies | getting to honored is really quick |
| 21:50.09 | Mr_Rabies | but that's all you really need |
| 21:50.15 | xyphoid | endgame content *has* to taper off rewards over time |
| 21:50.24 | Mr_Rabies | past that is just something to do if you want to |
| 21:50.26 | Semlar | oh god i just had a flashback to grinding rep for heroics in bc |
| 21:50.31 | Bleeter | certainly without timeless, I wouldn't have bothered re-subbing my 2nd acct |
| 21:50.31 | Mr_Rabies | 100% optional |
| 21:50.50 | kd3 | shattered halls runs... over and over and over and over |
| 21:50.52 | Bleeter | the grind to get those toons geared from <400 to ~>490 |
| 21:50.54 | nevcairiel | i kinda liked the rep lockouts in BC, it wasn't that bad |
| 21:50.57 | Mr_Rabies | i love timeless isle, personally |
| 21:50.59 | foxlit | meh, "100%" is subjective. |
| 21:51.06 | Mr_Rabies | i really hope they boost exp from dungeons in WoD, though |
| 21:51.11 | xyphoid | all content is optional really |
| 21:51.13 | foxlit | to some people, everything is optional -- you don't have to raid or get raid gear, you know. |
| 21:51.14 | Sintacks | lol. i have 12 tabs in firefox open with info to get this aura done. |
| 21:51.17 | xyphoid | it's a case of picking something that you feel like doing |
| 21:51.20 | Mr_Rabies | they nerfed the absolute hell out of it in MoP |
| 21:51.26 | foxlit | to others, EVERY SINGLE REP BAR MUST BE FULL. |
| 21:51.26 | Mr_Rabies | it's super optional, though, foxlit |
| 21:51.37 | Sintacks | though, 4 of them are unrelated actually |
| 21:51.40 | Semlar | i don't go after any rep unless i have to |
| 21:51.45 | Shirik | EVERY REP BAR |
| 21:51.51 | Mr_Rabies | i think it's a great way for a rep to be designed |
| 21:51.55 | Semlar | like if i have to level rep to get an enchanting recipe or something |
| 21:51.58 | Mr_Rabies | by no means should every rep be designed that way |
| 21:52.09 | xyphoid | it's been a long time since you were doing rep grinds in order to get access to raid content or whatever |
| 21:52.21 | Mr_Rabies | those with rewards that significantly help player power should probably be easier to get the player power boosting items with |
| 21:52.27 | foxlit | Mr_Rabies: basically, the way to gain that rep sucks. It's okay that it's optional, but requiring you to defeat a bazillion copies of the same mob is bad. |
| 21:52.33 | Mr_Rabies | since 5.1, xyphoid |
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| 21:53.06 | Mr_Rabies | maybe not to access the raids, but to actually get into them you did have to get some rep to buy VP gear |
| 21:53.19 | foxlit | Or, let's put it this way: I don't like it, because it's mind-numbingly boring. |
| 21:53.26 | Mr_Rabies | i think it would be if it offered significant reward, foxlit |
| 21:53.37 | foxlit | "But we must have mind-numbingly boring content in the game!" is not a very compelling argument. |
| 21:53.56 | Mr_Rabies | but because it doesn't, it's perfectly fine to have a few reputations per expansion that are nostalgic of say, furbolgs in vanilla |
| 21:54.01 | xyphoid | well, if you don't have mind-numbingly boring long grinds, then people say 'i've done everything! where is the content!' |
| 21:54.16 | Mr_Rabies | some people genuinely enjoy mindlessly farming for hours |
| 21:54.20 | xyphoid | people want to be able to play wow forever |
| 21:54.25 | nevcairiel | boring long grinds are no content |
| 21:54.29 | Mr_Rabies | i don't, but it's something to work towards |
| 21:54.30 | nevcairiel | its just a isle with mobs on it |
| 21:54.36 | xyphoid | personally i can't deal with that any more but i am happy for that content to exist for the people who like it |
| 21:55.01 | Mr_Rabies | i think the design for shaohao rep is better than say, the new wintersaber trainers |
| 21:55.32 | Mr_Rabies | gated dailies that will get you exalted in exactly X days if you go everyday is even more boring |
| 21:55.38 | xyphoid | fuck dailies |
| 21:55.40 | xyphoid | forever |
| 21:55.45 | Mr_Rabies | with no other means of getting rep |
| 21:55.55 | Mr_Rabies | i like that there's no real cap on how much shaohao rep you can get a day |
| 21:55.57 | xyphoid | i will never do dailies for rep again |
| 21:55.59 | foxlit | To be honest, I prefer that to "here, grind this mob for the next 500 hours" |
| 21:56.06 | Mr_Rabies | you can get a raid group together and farm the shit out of mobs for hours |
| 21:56.15 | Mr_Rabies | i don't, and i hate farming |
| 21:56.34 | nevcairiel | solution: offer both! |
| 21:56.36 | Mr_Rabies | because its rewards are pretty much just vanity rewards |
| 21:56.38 | Mr_Rabies | exactly, nevcairiel |
| 21:56.45 | Mr_Rabies | i'm not saying every rep should be like shaohao |
| 21:56.48 | Mr_Rabies | i'd be upset as hell |
| 21:56.48 | foxlit | nevcairiel: but you can't :) |
| 21:57.01 | xyphoid | is timeless isle like bt/sunwell trash farming |
| 21:57.08 | foxlit | because if there's a reasonable-speed daily, the "you must grind for hours" content doesn't actually exist. |
| 21:57.11 | xyphoid | (i loved raid trash farming) |
| 21:57.19 | Mr_Rabies | i'm saying it's good to offer different types of rep gain systems |
| 21:57.49 | Mr_Rabies | i'm okay with the daily rep system and the hours of farming rep system for vanity content |
| 21:58.02 | nevcairiel | I wish they would do something for healers that doesnt involve respecing and doing sub-par dps |
| 21:58.06 | Mr_Rabies | but for actual player power gain content i prefer the 5.2 system or wotlk's system |
| 21:58.15 | nevcairiel | like, give us a npc that nearly dies all the time and let us heal him :P |
| 21:58.26 | Mr_Rabies | they kind of are in 6.0, nevcairiel |
| 21:58.29 | Semlar | i hate daily shit |
| 21:58.34 | Mr_Rabies | since armor pieces will swap with spec |
| 21:58.40 | nevcairiel | still respeccing |
| 21:58.42 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 21:58.58 | Mr_Rabies | oh i missed "doesn't involve respecing" |
| 21:59.02 | Mr_Rabies | respecing is your solution |
| 21:59.03 | Semlar | daily anything forces you to log on every day to do something and punishes you for not playing the game every day |
| 21:59.03 | nevcairiel | give me a npc i have to keep alive that does the killing for me! |
| 21:59.33 | Mr_Rabies | i'll take one too |
| 21:59.34 | Mr_Rabies | as dps |
| 21:59.42 | nevcairiel | you dont get one, you are dps |
| 21:59.48 | Mr_Rabies | gimme one that heals me then |
| 21:59.56 | Mr_Rabies | i can pull like 40 mobs and aoe them down |
| 21:59.59 | Semlar | buffs you |
| 22:00.09 | Semlar | more deeps |
| 22:00.11 | foxlit | every dps class already has enough selfheals to basically never have to eat. |
| 22:00.28 | xyphoid | i want more separate advancement systems like pet battles |
| 22:00.37 | xyphoid | hopefully garrison stuff is like that |
| 22:00.40 | nevcairiel | as a dps class, grinding mobs is like 100x more fun then doing it on a respeced healer |
| 22:00.49 | nevcairiel | at least for me |
| 22:00.52 | Mr_Rabies | how, you'll be a dps class when you respec |
| 22:00.53 | Mr_Rabies | D: |
| 22:01.02 | Semlar | a dps class in healing gear |
| 22:01.11 | Mr_Rabies | well, armor's changing with spec in 6.0 |
| 22:01.19 | Mr_Rabies | get an offset of non-armor pieces for dps |
| 22:01.22 | Mr_Rabies | should be easy enough |
| 22:01.28 | Semlar | if the healer in our raid group is any indication you can't dps in healing gear |
| 22:01.48 | Mr_Rabies | healing gear is really just, you get some more spirit than you'd want as dps, probably |
| 22:02.00 | Mr_Rabies | you won't do as much dps, but intel's still your primary stat |
| 22:02.12 | Mr_Rabies | as long as you're not trying to be ret in holy gear or whatever |
| 22:02.17 | Mr_Rabies | because that's INSANE |
| 22:02.28 | Mr_Rabies | and thankfully they're partially fixing that in 6.0 with gear stat changing |
| 22:02.34 | Mr_Rabies | on armor pieces |
| 22:02.52 | nevcairiel | maybe its just me, but i have tons of more fun grinding stuff with my hutner then i do with my respeced druid |
| 22:03.02 | Semlar | that's because hunters are awesome |
| 22:03.03 | Mr_Rabies | that's entirely subjective |
| 22:03.06 | foxlit | nevcairiel: what do you respec to? :) |
| 22:03.20 | nevcairiel | moonkin of course, since i dont have a full feral set |
| 22:03.29 | Mr_Rabies | "healing class" is a misnomer anyway |
| 22:03.34 | Mr_Rabies | there's no such thing |
| 22:03.40 | Semlar | then explain priests |
| 22:03.50 | Mr_Rabies | shadow priests are fully capable of doing decent dps |
| 22:03.57 | Semlar | >_> |
| 22:04.59 | foxlit | mm. Feral is somehow more enjoyable in solo content. |
| 22:05.03 | Mr_Rabies | they're weaker than other classes but they're perfectly fine |
| 22:05.15 | Mr_Rabies | guardian is actually the most fun for me for soloing content |
| 22:05.32 | Mr_Rabies | feral has a lot of time spent just standing there since energy regen is kinda slow when you're target swapping a bunch |
| 22:05.39 | foxlit | nothing stacks vengeance fast enough |
| 22:05.44 | nevcairiel | maybe its just that moonkins just suck at solo questing, but i have not much fun with it, and i'm also not very successfull when i encounter a 90 rare or something, i can easily die :p |
| 22:05.53 | Mr_Rabies | unless you can gather them up and aoe them down before you become energy starved, you're probably better off going bear |
| 22:06.07 | Mr_Rabies | moonkins are fine with solo questing |
| 22:06.09 | foxlit | energy regen is fine for solo; it's small groups that are hell. |
| 22:06.33 | foxlit | And "gather them up and aoe them down" doesn't work for non-trivial content as feral. |
| 22:06.36 | Mr_Rabies | depends on what you're doing, but rampup is kinda slow if you're raid geared |
| 22:06.44 | Semlar | i hated bleeds on my druid |
| 22:06.55 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, you stack mastery and bleeds are pretty slow |
| 22:07.02 | Semlar | i pretty much just had to mangle everything to death |
| 22:07.05 | Mr_Rabies | makes for kind of a bleh solo experience |
| 22:07.14 | foxlit | works nicely on the isles, really. |
| 22:07.24 | Mr_Rabies | i just gather stuff up and aoe it down usually on isle |
| 22:07.27 | Semlar | there was no way in hell anything was going to live long enough to bother using bleeds |
| 22:07.31 | Mr_Rabies | if i'm going feral |
| 22:07.35 | Mr_Rabies | mroeso if i'm going guardian |
| 22:07.45 | Mr_Rabies | i just gather like, literally 40-50 mobs and aoe them down |
| 22:07.55 | Mr_Rabies | if grouped tightly enough |
| 22:08.05 | Semlar | and the whole backstab mechanic sucked balls |
| 22:08.29 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, but unfortunately raid gearing is all about stacking bleeds, so your power gain is kinda slow as feral for solo content |
| 22:08.39 | nevcairiel | maybe 6.0 will allow me to go feral for solo instead, with the gear magic. finding some non-armor pieces should be possible, gathering a full feral set today if your main spec is resto is just tedious |
| 22:08.43 | foxlit | Um, so, timeless isle mobs -- like 1-2 million hp? |
| 22:08.43 | Mr_Rabies | you're victim to the bleeds' slow tick timer |
| 22:09.14 | Mr_Rabies | i do more dps as bear for stuff that bleeds don't benefit from nowadays |
| 22:09.24 | Mr_Rabies | i do like 130k dps as a bear, or so |
| 22:09.35 | Mr_Rabies | way less in solo content as a cat |
| 22:09.54 | Mr_Rabies | but in raids i do like 250ish, really depends on the fight though |
| 22:09.56 | nevcairiel | but feral bear, not guardian bear, right? :d |
| 22:10.01 | Mr_Rabies | guardian bear |
| 22:10.04 | Mr_Rabies | feral bear is useless |
| 22:10.08 | Mr_Rabies | does crap damage |
| 22:10.14 | Mr_Rabies | no vengeance |
| 22:10.19 | nevcairiel | not once specced guardian since it was introduced |
| 22:10.35 | Mr_Rabies | no survivability |
| 22:10.43 | Mr_Rabies | i have mroe survivability in cat form as feral spec |
| 22:11.06 | Semlar | i actually don't really like that they split the feral specs |
| 22:11.26 | Semlar | i know it seemed a little unfair that the class could fill two rolls with one spec |
| 22:11.26 | nevcairiel | otherwise you would have one hell of a OP monster spec |
| 22:12.13 | Semlar | but it's not like people were stacking up feral druids |
| 22:12.34 | foxlit | somehow, I'm picturing timeless isle as farming the yaungol elites (berserkers+), frogs, or the steam elementals. |
| 22:12.48 | foxlit | Having a really hard time imagining anyone survive 40-50 of any of those gathered in a group. |
| 22:13.00 | Stanzilla | http://mashable.com/2013/12/02/morgan-freeman-ipad-fingerpaint/?utm_cid=mash-com-fb-main-link holy shit |
| 22:13.10 | Semlar | you couldn't even gather that many |
| 22:13.11 | nevcairiel | I'm not sure he was referring to timeless isle with those remarks |
| 22:13.29 | Semlar | how the hell are you going to aggro 40 elites on the isle |
| 22:13.44 | foxlit | you could go on a pulling spree through the sanctuary. That'd probably do it. |
| 22:13.51 | Mr_Rabies | i like it, Semlar |
| 22:13.54 | Semlar | you could maybe get 20 mobs |
| 22:13.56 | Mr_Rabies | as a lifelong feral |
| 22:14.02 | nevcairiel | you wouldnt survive that long foxlit, to gather 40 :p |
| 22:14.07 | Mr_Rabies | it was a nightmare to balance two roles in one spec |
| 22:14.24 | Mr_Rabies | i'd rather have two usable specs than one marginally useful one |
| 22:14.25 | Semlar | regardless of surviving, i just don't think you could pull that many |
| 22:14.26 | Bleeter | sure splitting feral and guardian makes sense on paper, it's still arse for gearing a 'rounded' durid |
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| 22:14.38 | Mr_Rabies | rounded druid is dead, thank goodness |
| 22:14.44 | Mr_Rabies | well |
| 22:14.53 | foxlit | You can still play it that way. The casualty in that split is Resto. |
| 22:14.57 | Mr_Rabies | other than what nifty stuff you get from say, dream of cenarius or heart of the wild |
| 22:15.10 | Mr_Rabies | that's where your roundedness comes from now |
| 22:15.14 | Mr_Rabies | the new talents |
| 22:15.37 | Bleeter | Mr_Rabies: <rp>SCREW YOU BUDDY I R COMPLEAT DURID</rp> |
| 22:15.57 | Mr_Rabies | pick a specialization, rookie |
| 22:16.00 | foxlit | [clearly needs triple spec to make Resto/Guardian viable.] |
| 22:16.04 | Mr_Rabies | nature doesn't favor the indecisive |
| 22:16.55 | foxlit | But anyway, Feral, on the Timeless Isle elites, in Cat Form, is pretty enjoyable. |
| 22:17.03 | Mr_Rabies | for the elites, yeah |
| 22:17.07 | foxlit | In so far as you can tolerate fighting the same mob over and over and over and over anyway. |
| 22:17.15 | Mr_Rabies | but frontstabbing things you should be backstabbing is still kinda crap |
| 22:17.30 | foxlit | sure; Shred has mostly no place in solo gameplay. |
| 22:17.45 | Mr_Rabies | another reason why i personally prefer guardian |
| 22:17.51 | Mr_Rabies | i hate the mangle/shred split |
| 22:18.01 | Mr_Rabies | it's my biggest gripe with feral, other than maybe savage roar |
| 22:18.10 | Neffi | Feral is fine qq moar |
| 22:18.33 | Mr_Rabies | SR is one of those abilities that's totally trivial with good gear because haste and crit give it plenty of room in your rotation |
| 22:18.38 | nevcairiel | does something like leveling in guardian make much sense, if in a half-crowded leveling area you're lucky to get two mobs pulled together? |
| 22:18.42 | Neffi | By the way, is SR still dispellable? |
| 22:18.54 | Mr_Rabies | but when you're poorly geared, you can't really keep it up |
| 22:18.57 | foxlit | level as feral. |
| 22:19.01 | Mr_Rabies | and it has to be kept up 100% for any chance at dps |
| 22:19.02 | foxlit | It's entirely workable. |
| 22:19.08 | Neffi | Leveling as feral is much more workable |
| 22:19.24 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, it's perfectly fine since mastery isn't a thing until...85? |
| 22:19.25 | Neffi | Your self heals and mobility mean that the extra survivablility of guardian just isnt necessary whatsoever |
| 22:19.39 | Mr_Rabies | and when leveling you should probably get a good stat mix |
| 22:19.59 | Mr_Rabies | it's only with raid gear that it kind of becomes tedious to be feral outside of raids |
| 22:20.03 | foxlit | [Chi-Ji's Hope is also awesome.] |
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| 22:24.46 | foxlit | so it turns out that I'm missing a seasonal battle pet for Zookeeper. |
| 22:25.09 | foxlit | Doesn't spawn until next June. |
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| 22:38.39 | Neffi | http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/12/scientist-developed-malware-covertly-jumps-air-gaps-using-inaudible-sound/ |
| 22:40.15 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/c98bL0q.jpg lol |
| 22:40.25 | Bleeter | <non-profit promotion> hey, folks. for those interested in space and stuff, here's your 2014 wall calendar. With 50% discount for Planetary Society membership. http://www.yearinspace.com/wall-calendar |
| 22:41.43 | Dagmar | Neffi: That information is largely bullshit. Sorry |
| 22:42.02 | Neffi | Yeah I'm seeing some really big problems with it |
| 22:42.36 | Neffi | I'm gonna look more into it. Dan Goodin is not an idiot. And he's not the type to report on bullshit. |
| 22:42.49 | Dagmar | Neffi: It's been very debunked. Starts with the BadBIOS nonsense, and then got conflated with some guys who basically said "Well, yeah we could almost do that, but it wouldn't work very well" and reporters suck at verifying tech stories |
| 22:45.51 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/IZpiiTs.jpg <- now here's a story worth reporting |
| 22:52.33 | fewyn | https://twitter.com/Warcraft/status/407643220760203264 |
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| 23:16.05 | Bleeter | so this job is still up so I guess it is real, bad spelling and all... http://www.linkedin.com/jobs2/view/6937774?trk=rj_em |
| 23:26.25 | Primer | I know people that recently left Apple |
| 23:26.34 | Primer | And would not wish a job there upon their worst enemy |
| 23:27.40 | Primer | They had to stay for 3 years for their options to vest. On day 3 years + 1, they left |
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| 23:54.57 | pompy1 | https://twitter.com/Driedfred/status/407063820192858112/photo/1 derp? |
| 23:58.12 | Alram | im sorry if this comes off as racist |
| 23:58.21 | Alram | but as a white male i must admit that her name is as white as possible |
| 23:58.27 | Alram | kelly kerkenbush |
| 23:58.29 | Alram | i mean wow |
