| 00:01.40 | Neffi | I'm wary of pet specs |
| 00:02.16 | Neffi | I like warlocks and hunters. But I hate pet micromanagement. I love the idea of playing them without a pet. But I hate the idea that next xpac, there's a good chance they'll do away with the petless spec |
| 00:02.43 | Neffi | I dont trust them not destroying something I'd enjoy |
| 00:02.58 | Neffi | especially since it's popular demand to do so |
| 00:03.48 | Neffi | (not necessarily that they're getting rid of pets in WoD. I mean that there's a good chance they would get rid of it sometime after I'd already become attached) |
| 00:03.57 | Neffi | petlessness* |
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| 00:07.42 | Semlar-Laptop | they'd have to change a ton of stuff if they wanted to add a petless spec |
| 00:07.58 | Neffi | Not necessarily |
| 00:08.06 | Neffi | It worked out easily enough for warlocks |
| 00:08.26 | Neffi | Hunters already had their melee zone removed. They already have escape and kit mechanisms. |
| 00:08.27 | Semlar-Laptop | a lot of talents are based on having a pet right now and would be rendered completely useless in its current form |
| 00:08.52 | Semlar-Laptop | but also the main use of a pet at least in my 10 man is to provide a buff |
| 00:08.57 | Neffi | I bet those will change with WoD anyway |
| 00:10.30 | fewyn | Anyone actually know how to setup TSM 2.0 to work different on certain realms? Specifically mailing stuff. |
| 00:10.47 | Semlar-Laptop | nobody knows how to set up tsm |
| 00:10.50 | fewyn | oh |
| 00:10.51 | fewyn | nvm |
| 00:10.52 | fewyn | profiles |
| 00:10.53 | fewyn | derp |
| 00:12.12 | fewyn | as soon as i asked |
| 00:12.15 | fewyn | i knew the answer |
| 00:12.23 | Semlar-Laptop | should've asked the duck |
| 00:21.36 | Sintacks | is there a simple way to return if a guildmember, by name, is online |
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| 00:29.37 | Neffi | http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/11/how-to-talk-your-family-out-of-bad-consumer-electronics-purchases/ <- lol |
| 00:29.59 | airtonix | Neffi: don't buy that iphone |
| 00:30.06 | airtonix | did it work? |
| 00:30.11 | fewyn | never buy an iphone |
| 00:30.20 | airtonix | never go full iphone |
| 00:30.20 | fewyn | everyone should buy lumias |
| 00:31.33 | Neffi | why would I want Windows on my phone? |
| 00:31.39 | Neffi | I barely want it on my computer |
| 00:32.41 | fewyn | i really love my lumia |
| 00:32.44 | fewyn | windows phone is really nice |
| 00:33.18 | airtonix | fewyn: i like making viruses for your phone too. |
| 00:33.29 | airtonix | we both love it :) |
| 00:34.32 | fewyn | you do realize windows phone isn't actual windows right? |
| 00:34.51 | airtonix | viruses don't care |
| 00:35.26 | airtonix | all they see is the word windows, and they bounce around with happiness and joy |
| 00:35.34 | Neffi | It's the Windows NT kernel and it's a Windows branded OS on top of that |
| 00:35.36 | Neffi | So it kind of is |
| 00:36.05 | fewyn | pretty sure wp8 isn't |
| 00:36.17 | fewyn | yeah |
| 00:36.18 | airtonix | proof? |
| 00:36.21 | fewyn | that was wp7 |
| 00:36.34 | fewyn | On June 20, 2012, Microsoft unveiled Windows Phone 8 (codenamed Apollo), a second generation of the Windows Phone operating system for release later in 2012. Windows Phone 8 replaces its previously Windows CE-based architecture with one based on the Windows NT kernel (with many components shared with Windows 8), allowing developers to easily port applications between the two platforms. |
| 00:36.44 | fewyn | wait |
| 00:36.46 | fewyn | i misread that |
| 00:36.57 | airtonix | lol |
| 00:36.57 | fewyn | i really should wear my glasses when reading wikipedia |
| 00:37.04 | airtonix | MUWAHAHAHA |
| 00:37.17 | fewyn | that totally could be worded better tho |
| 00:37.34 | fewyn | well feel free to start writing viruses for windows phone |
| 00:37.51 | airtonix | nah i don't want to waste my time on a minority operating system |
| 00:38.14 | fewyn | we're actually getting a lot of mainstream apps lately |
| 00:38.16 | fewyn | it's getting ncie |
| 00:38.18 | fewyn | nice* |
| 00:38.31 | Neffi | I hope we see one of the real Linux mobile OSs break the market soonish |
| 00:38.45 | Neffi | Tizen, Nemo, Sailfish, Mer. Any one of them. |
| 00:40.07 | Sintacks | :| |
| 00:40.15 | Sintacks | need to add more logic to my auto join raid addon |
| 00:40.25 | airtonix | sys.exit() |
| 00:40.55 | Semlar | adds more logic to neffi |
| 00:41.19 | Neffi | eww, it's all gooey |
| 00:41.37 | Semlar | wrong setting |
| 00:42.13 | Neffi | >_> |
| 00:42.14 | Sintacks | I wonder where my battletag is that goldspammers found it |
| 00:42.22 | Semlar | the warcraft forum |
| 00:42.27 | Semlar | anywhere in diablo 3 |
| 00:42.51 | Semlar | it's nice that there is absolutely nothing you can do once they have it |
| 00:42.53 | Neffi | in the topic of this channel |
| 00:43.04 | Arrowmaster | Sintacks: its in the channel topic |
| 00:43.22 | Semlar | yeah but who's gonna look there |
| 00:43.27 | Sintacks | true. but how likely is it that a gold spammer thing found that doc |
| 00:43.49 | Sintacks | Semlar, I still have my free name change |
| 00:43.50 | Arrowmaster | you asked where it is |
| 00:43.53 | Sintacks | but i'm not going to use it |
| 00:43.57 | Neffi | maybe one of us is a goldspammer |
| 00:44.01 | Semlar | dammit neffi |
| 00:44.05 | Sintacks | unless i can get the same name with a different, small number |
| 00:44.15 | Neffi | it's not me! it must be you, Semlar |
| 00:44.19 | Semlar | ! |
| 00:45.10 | Semlar | i didn't get any spam until i played diablo where you can literally see the battletag of anyone who joins the general chat |
| 00:45.20 | Semlar | ..which is everyone |
| 00:45.22 | Sintacks | i haven't played D3 in a year |
| 00:45.23 | airtonix | hey ralmeS, i don't want to ping you but i want to say something to you so i will use your name backwards in a convoluted attempt to not ping you but address you. |
| 00:45.23 | Neffi | wow that's a bad system |
| 00:45.33 | Neffi | Why is it everything I hear about D3 is some disappointment? |
| 00:45.37 | Sintacks | Semlar, airtonix wants you. |
| 00:45.42 | Semlar | yes |
| 00:45.54 | airtonix | omg you're not allowed to ping people on irc |
| 00:46.01 | Sintacks | that's not a ping |
| 00:46.01 | Neffi | airtonix: ping |
| 00:46.05 | Sintacks | that was a ping |
| 00:46.06 | Esamynn|work | ~lart airtonix |
| 00:46.06 | purl | hooks into a hydrant and hoses airtonix down |
| 00:46.10 | airtonix | shrieks |
| 00:46.15 | Sintacks | this is a highlight, airtonix. |
| 00:46.16 | Esamynn|work | ~botsnack |
| 00:46.16 | purl | thanks, Esamynn|work |
| 00:46.37 | Sintacks | wtf is a quassel irc |
| 00:46.49 | fewyn | ~whalenuke Neffi |
| 00:46.50 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Neffi with his mind powers. |
| 00:46.50 | Neffi | it's an awesome IRC client |
| 00:46.53 | Sintacks | I <3 my version reply |
| 00:47.00 | Sintacks | no one knows what client I use |
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| 00:47.06 | Neffi | ~lart fewyn |
| 00:47.06 | purl | strangles fewyn with a 9-pole serial cable |
| 00:47.28 | Esamynn|work | Semlar: can you really see the tag number of ppl in D3 public chat? :( |
| 00:47.33 | Sintacks | yes, Esamynn|Away |
| 00:47.38 | Esamynn|work | eeewwwww |
| 00:47.39 | Sintacks | that's how you show up everywhere |
| 00:47.42 | Semlar | pretty sure |
| 00:47.58 | Esamynn|work | tag name, sure, but hide the damn number |
| 00:48.14 | Esamynn|work | so that your window for friending them is just while they are online |
| 00:48.50 | Sintacks | you can add anyone in WoW that you can either, target, or be in a guild with. |
| 00:48.58 | Sintacks | you can't see their battletag though. |
| 00:49.03 | Esamynn|work | ^ |
| 00:49.13 | Esamynn|work | until they accept the request |
| 00:49.18 | Sintacks | correct |
| 00:49.22 | Semlar | i get battle.net requests from spammers basically every day |
| 00:49.25 | Esamynn|work | that makes sense |
| 00:49.30 | Sintacks | hell, you don't even know what their battletag name is, even wthout the numbers. |
| 00:49.39 | Sintacks | I just had two, Semlar. |
| 00:49.40 | Semlar | so i had to start using the badboy addon |
| 00:49.42 | Sintacks | I had 1 two days ago. |
| 00:49.46 | Sintacks | I've only had 4 in the last month. |
| 00:49.53 | Sintacks | and 1 in the last 6 months before that |
| 00:50.02 | Semlar | i'm not sure why blizzard can't add a fucking spam filter |
| 00:50.04 | Esamynn|work | Sintacks: the request dialog doesn't tell you what it is? |
| 00:50.09 | Sintacks | Nope. |
| 00:50.18 | Esamynn|work | interesting |
| 00:50.32 | Sintacks | "Send a battleTag request to: ToonName" |
| 00:50.40 | Semlar | it's the SAME message every time |
| 00:50.46 | Esamynn|work | how do you know who they are once the request goes through then, or do you just find out by figure out who the new battle tag on your list is? |
| 00:51.07 | Semlar | you have a name assigned to your account |
| 00:51.12 | Semlar | they just see "semlar" or whatever |
| 00:51.24 | Semlar | i think it's the part before the # |
| 00:52.00 | Esamynn|work | right, do you see that name in the send friend request dialog if you're doing it by right-clicking a player? |
| 00:52.07 | Esamynn|work | or just the character name |
| 00:52.31 | Semlar | i don't think you see anything if you're sending the request if they haven't accepted it |
| 00:52.40 | Sintacks | When you try to send a request in game with the methods i mentioned, you don't know what their battletag name is, no. |
| 00:52.48 | Sintacks | so when they finally do show up, you might not be sure who it is. |
| 00:52.48 | Esamynn|work | I would expect to see their battle tag name, just not the unique number |
| 00:52.51 | jleclanche | anyone set up sshguard? |
| 00:53.03 | Semlar | i think all you get is a "friend request sent" message in the chat |
| 00:53.04 | Esamynn|work | that's what I find odd about that Sintacks |
| 00:53.18 | airtonix | jleclanche: never heard of it |
| 00:53.44 | Esamynn|work | but then, wow really has had the battle.net stuff hacked in after the fact |
| 00:53.44 | jleclanche | airtonix: its like fail2ban |
| 00:54.01 | airtonix | did i ever tell you about the Voip company that setup astericks servers with ssh running password only authentication on port 22 |
| 00:54.32 | airtonix | they also don't wipe harddrives and reinstall the OS when re purposing the servers to new clients |
| 00:54.54 | airtonix | needless to say much lulz ensued when someones credentials were stolen and they couldn't work out why |
| 00:55.28 | Esamynn|work | haha |
| 00:55.50 | Neffi | I feel like companies who are just negligent like that should be held responsible |
| 00:55.56 | airtonix | this, afte i went ballistic at them for such an amatuerish installation |
| 00:56.36 | jleclanche | Neffi: more and more, huh |
| 00:56.43 | jleclanche | Neffi: i seriously hope so. |
| 00:57.10 | jleclanche | a company losing 2 million user passwords in PLAIN TEXT is a fucking disgrace |
| 00:57.22 | Neffi | aye |
| 00:57.50 | airtonix | i wont name the company, because it won't make a difference, their clients don't care or know |
| 00:57.54 | jleclanche | I hope we'll see at least class action lawsuits getting more popular in these cases |
| 00:58.36 | airtonix | these companies think that by sending a guy ewaring a hoodie with a macbook, and an iphone makes them look relevant |
| 00:59.04 | airtonix | they were actually retarded enough to argue with me |
| 00:59.18 | airtonix | on the virtues of ssh usage |
| 01:03.50 | jleclanche | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:03.55 | jleclanche | well, fail2ban is out of the question |
| 01:04.22 | airtonix | so this is one of the reasons you want sshguard |
| 01:04.50 | airtonix | i assume there are other reasons |
| 01:05.07 | airtonix | actually, i'm interested if there are others |
| 01:05.50 | jleclanche | DenyHosts, sshguard, fail2ban |
| 01:05.55 | jleclanche | and apparently none of the support systemd |
| 01:05.56 | jleclanche | wtf |
| 01:05.57 | airtonix | i mean other reasons |
| 01:06.21 | jleclanche | I want something light, and only for ssh |
| 01:06.23 | jleclanche | *possibly* nginx |
| 01:09.49 | airtonix | i'll probably play with it later |
| 01:11.11 | jleclanche | speaking of nginx |
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| 01:11.51 | jleclanche | looking at the access log |
| 01:12.16 | jleclanche | one ip scanning me for phpmyadmin vulns, turns out it's a chinese ip |
| 01:12.21 | jleclanche | ssh into root@ip |
| 01:12.28 | jleclanche | password is "root" |
| 01:12.32 | jleclanche | great fucking security. |
| 01:12.48 | jleclanche | no kidding these pieces of shit become botnets |
| 01:13.24 | airtonix | lol'd |
| 01:13.28 | airtonix | did you rm -rf / |
| 01:13.44 | TC-Work | Would it even let you? |
| 01:13.53 | airtonix | or rm -rf / && reboot |
| 01:14.20 | jleclanche | TC-Work: probably |
| 01:14.27 | airtonix | but i suppose it might actually contain a legitimate site... do you leave it or purge it |
| 01:14.31 | jleclanche | it does |
| 01:14.46 | jleclanche | its a chinese lottery site |
| 01:14.46 | TC-Work | I fail to see why the OS would let you do that. In any situation like that it should be done externally. |
| 01:15.03 | jleclanche | TC-Work: rm / -rf requires an additional switch |
| 01:15.06 | jleclanche | but yes it would |
| 01:15.14 | airtonix | it depends on the sudoers file too |
| 01:15.15 | jleclanche | % rm / -r |
| 01:15.15 | jleclanche | rm: it is dangerous to operate recursively on ‘/’ |
| 01:15.15 | jleclanche | rm: use --no-preserve-root to override this failsafe |
| 01:15.28 | TC-Work | Is there any valid reason to ever do that? |
| 01:15.47 | airtonix | when you're in grub ? |
| 01:16.18 | TC-Work | That's not really a reason |
| 01:16.40 | jleclanche | is there any valid reason to ever display rgb(124, 55, 97) next to rgb(241, 0, 240); on the 57th by 22nd pixel of a 1280x1024 monitor? |
| 01:16.52 | jleclanche | im sure it still lets you do that. |
| 01:18.03 | Esamynn|work | Unix is very much about user power... its your own fault if you know just enough to screw yourself over |
| 01:19.03 | Esamynn|work | jleclanche: also, if there is a bot running on that IP and you really have root access to it, I encourage you to kill it |
| 01:19.14 | jleclanche | yeah |
| 01:19.17 | Esamynn|work | with extreme prejudice |
| 01:19.23 | jleclanche | wouldnt do much good though |
| 01:19.40 | jleclanche | bet you 10 bucks if anything happens to this machine it'll get reset to a previous state |
| 01:19.42 | jleclanche | with the worm in it |
| 01:19.43 | jleclanche | nice. |
| 01:19.43 | Esamynn|work | one less bot on the internet is never a bad thing |
| 01:19.43 | TC-Work | Neither does voting....right? |
| 01:20.05 | Esamynn|work | TC-Work: please tell me you vote... |
| 01:20.50 | Esamynn|work | jleclanche: you never know, they might start looking for what happened, not as if it takes you much time to kill it |
| 01:21.37 | TC-Work | Esamynn|work: No. But it's not because I don't think that it will make a difference. |
| 01:21.37 | jleclanche | yeah im looking |
| 01:21.43 | Sintacks | lol. googling my battletag plus the nubmers is returning random things where my name shows up, and the numbers are on the page too |
| 01:21.58 | jleclanche | here, if anyone wants to have fun bruteforcing another: 198.204.250.82 |
| 01:22.01 | jleclanche | theres no website on it |
| 01:22.19 | Sintacks | one of them is a wowi addon where i posted, and there is my numbers somewhere else on the page |
| 01:22.25 | Esamynn|work | ~whalenuke TC-Work |
| 01:22.25 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around TC-Work with his mind powers. |
| 01:22.32 | TC-Work | ~whaleshield |
| 01:22.32 | purl | ACTION summons a rather dense leaden whale named Billy Bob to shield tc-work from the blast. |
| 01:22.37 | Esamynn|work | ~lart TC-Work |
| 01:22.37 | purl | executes killall -HUP TC-Work |
| 01:22.38 | kd3 | heh. my battletag+number is a chess move + year |
| 01:22.42 | TC-Work | ~dodge |
| 01:22.42 | purl | ACTION dodges! |
| 01:22.49 | TC-Work | ...*sigh* |
| 01:22.53 | Esamynn|work | pff, -HU ... that way too kind |
| 01:23.00 | jleclanche | kd3: mine's my nickname and a number |
| 01:23.04 | Esamynn|work | s/-HU/-HUP/ |
| 01:23.06 | jleclanche | a number which incidentally happens to be a year |
| 01:23.10 | jleclanche | because years are numbers. |
| 01:23.30 | kd3 | apparently there were a lot of chess matches in 1949 with the move kd3 |
| 01:24.01 | Esamynn|work | haha |
| 01:26.29 | Esamynn|work | anyways, TC-Work, I'll remember that fact the next time I hear you complain about politics :P |
| 01:29.27 | TC-Work | Esamynn|work: When was the last time you heard me? |
| 01:29.35 | Esamynn|work | shrugs |
| 01:29.44 | TC-Work | Excactly |
| 01:29.50 | Esamynn|work | heh, touche |
| 01:32.32 | pompy | http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/11/27/us-ocz-bankruptcy-idUKBRE9AQ15320131127 |
| 01:38.41 | airtonix | :< |
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| 03:24.48 | fewyn | jleclanche: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/store/335-war-pack |
| 03:28.09 | Iriel | That's a bit steep, even if it does include an Idris |
| 03:30.06 | Thunder_Child | More than a bit, but it is a nice collection of ships |
| 03:30.49 | Iriel | I have most of them. |
| 03:30.58 | Iriel | though not the Idris (obviously, I hope) |
| 03:31.08 | Iriel | and I melted my 300 series |
| 03:32.09 | Thunder_Child | If you melted it all down it would come to what....1K? |
| 03:32.16 | iShirik | I just found the strangest bug in my IRC client |
| 03:32.17 | Thunder_Child | That is an expensive shit |
| 03:32.25 | Thunder_Child | s/shit/ship/ |
| 03:32.41 | iShirik | you can't change the font unless you're not overriding the timestamp format |
| 03:32.52 | iShirik | if you disable timestamp format configuration, you can change the font |
| 03:32.59 | Iriel | Isn't the idris something like $1,250 on its own (when it was available) ? |
| 03:33.05 | Arrowmaster | so can you obtain those ships in game without paying real money for them and if so how hard are they to obtain? |
| 03:33.22 | Iriel | Arrowmaster: yes, that's what they say - btu we dont know how hard it will be |
| 03:33.46 | Iriel | I doubt THEY know until the thing's much further along, but I suspect they have some targets |
| 03:33.50 | jleclanche | fewyn: it's way too expensive |
| 03:33.59 | jleclanche | i dont understand the point of that pack |
| 03:34.14 | Iriel | jleclanche: Guaranteed access to an Idris, I suspect. |
| 03:34.20 | jleclanche | ah, true |
| 03:34.23 | Iriel | And a way for folks who want to pledge 5K to get something in return |
| 03:34.40 | jleclanche | and lets not forget |
| 03:34.44 | Iriel | Looking at the higher end packages as "Rewards for a large donation" rather than a 'purchase' helps. |
| 03:34.44 | jleclanche | 2 more inches on that spaceship model. |
| 03:34.50 | jleclanche | (IIIIIIITS BIGGERRRR) |
| 03:34.58 | Iriel | And they say size doesn't matter - they're clearly WRONG |
| 03:35.29 | jleclanche | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK76j8sdVaw |
| 03:39.01 | Iriel | What I dont understand is people who have 3 constellations |
| 03:39.17 | jleclanche | "They said I could have the stars. So I bought three of em." |
| 03:39.49 | jleclanche | truthfully though some people probably invest |
| 03:40.02 | jleclanche | I know I might keep some of my ships purely for potential return |
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| 03:40.46 | jleclanche | a LTI Super Hornet or Banu Merchantman might yield enough a year or two from now to warrant having spent two thousand fucking dollars on this game :P |
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| 03:41.03 | Iriel | Hm, that wasn't the right window. |
| 03:41.04 | Iriel | You really think so? |
| 03:41.16 | Iriel | I guess we'll see what happens right BEFORE the game launches. |
| 03:41.18 | jleclanche | Well Im not betting on it |
| 03:41.40 | Iriel | I like all of my ships. |
| 03:41.42 | jleclanche | it's money I'm willing to spend, not a serious investment |
| 03:41.43 | jleclanche | yeah |
| 03:41.44 | Iriel | well, those i've seen 8-) |
| 03:41.51 | jleclanche | did you see the new avenger? |
| 03:41.52 | jleclanche | god. |
| 03:41.54 | Iriel | I'm hoping I like the remaining ones when they finally show up. |
| 03:41.59 | jleclanche | i melted mine and now i regret it |
| 03:42.05 | Iriel | I have to confess to buying back an avenger 15 minutes before LTI ran out. |
| 03:42.12 | jleclanche | hahaha |
| 03:42.24 | jleclanche | [06:52:19] <Iriel> I'd rather not talk about my impulse control. |
| 03:42.26 | iShirik | ok |
| 03:42.29 | jleclanche | i feel this should be the game's tagline |
| 03:42.30 | iShirik | good irc client for mac os |
| 03:42.30 | iShirik | go |
| 03:42.33 | Iriel | This was after that statement. |
| 03:42.34 | jleclanche | iShirik: quassel |
| 03:42.46 | Iriel | Colloquy 2 |
| 03:42.46 | Thunder_Child | & |
| 03:42.50 | Thunder_Child | ^* |
| 03:42.59 | Thunder_Child | Does Adium do it? |
| 03:43.08 | jleclanche | Iriel: it still should be the game's tagline |
| 03:43.10 | Iriel | The problem was I didn't start watching the livestream recording until about 8pm |
| 03:43.35 | jleclanche | I'm not buying any more ships now |
| 03:43.46 | jleclanche | LTI ran out and that was the only advantage compared to getting them ingame |
| 03:43.55 | jleclanche | also |
| 03:43.57 | xyphoid | all the mac people on irc here use adium |
| 03:43.59 | jleclanche | i have too many fucking ships. |
| 03:44.08 | Iriel | Im a mac person here and i'm using Colloquy |
| 03:44.53 | Iriel | But i'm not an IRC power user, so who knows if it sucks relative to other things. |
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| 03:45.58 | iShirik | the only real things I care about are alignment of usernames and colored usernames |
| 03:46.20 | iShirik | beyond the standard feature set of course |
| 03:46.24 | jleclanche | iShirik: quassel has both of those |
| 03:46.39 | jleclanche | Iriel: Hornet, Super Hornet, Hornet Ghost, F7A upgrade, constellation, caterpillar, 300i, Aurora LN, M50, Banu Merchantman, Xi'An scout, Vanduul Scythe |
| 03:46.45 | jleclanche | i think thats all of them |
| 03:47.06 | Iriel | You have a Scythe - nice. |
| 03:47.11 | jleclanche | thanks to nevcairiel |
| 03:47.18 | jleclanche | he managed to buy a 2nd one |
| 03:47.29 | jleclanche | Im not sure if its a bug or intended |
| 03:47.47 | Iriel | But if they want it back it'll be over your cold dead body? |
| 03:48.00 | jleclanche | and empty wallet |
| 03:48.11 | jleclanche | I feel like http://www.thisiswhyimbroke.com/ should have a link to star citizen. |
| 03:49.35 | Iriel | Avenger, Xi'an Scout, Banu Merchantman, Specter, Super Hornet, Aurora LN, Retaliator, Gladiator, Constellation, Freelancer, Aurora MR |
| 03:49.38 | kd3 | an oreo dunking spoon? |
| 03:49.44 | Iriel | And, as noted, poor impulse control. |
| 03:49.45 | kd3 | looks for his wallet |
| 03:49.56 | iShirik | "MacOS X packages are not updated yet. Please check back in a few days. " |
| 03:49.59 | iShirik | wat |
| 03:50.05 | iShirik | how do you release half of a version |
| 03:50.05 | Iriel | kd3: is that a spoon for dunking oreos, or a dunking spoon made from oreos? |
| 03:50.10 | iShirik | I'm already scared of quassel |
| 03:50.19 | kd3 | http://www.thisiswhyimbroke.com/oreo-dunking-spoon |
| 03:50.28 | jleclanche | iShirik: Im recommending quassel mostly because it has a seriously good client-server architecture |
| 03:50.36 | jleclanche | and uses internally a much better protocol than IRC |
| 03:50.42 | iShirik | Yeah well it seems like they have a shitty process model |
| 03:51.26 | jleclanche | just grab 0.9.1 |
| 03:51.41 | jleclanche | the 0.9.2 bugfix is for shared cores iirc |
| 03:52.16 | jleclanche | Iriel: Specter? |
| 03:52.23 | Iriel | jleclanche: The stealth hornet |
| 03:52.28 | jleclanche | oh the ghost |
| 03:52.29 | Iriel | Ghost |
| 03:52.41 | jleclanche | im not sure how much stealth ill be doing |
| 03:52.43 | jleclanche | but DAMN |
| 03:52.46 | jleclanche | that ship is SEXY |
| 03:52.53 | Iriel | Specter is the package |
| 03:53.02 | jleclanche | i remember now |
| 03:53.12 | jleclanche | i have two physical packages; the connie and the base hornet |
| 03:53.28 | Iriel | I did the constellation physical package too |
| 03:53.36 | Iriel | the rest are digital |
| 03:53.59 | jleclanche | once again though thats an investment; the $25 extra may get a good return on an unopened pack of all the collector stuff |
| 03:54.06 | iShirik | I don't understand "shared core" jleclanche |
| 03:54.08 | Iriel | Quite possibly. |
| 03:54.51 | jleclanche | iShirik: quassel has a client/server model. the "core" talks to the IRC servers and listens for Quassel connections, acting as a gateway. multiple clients may connect to it |
| 03:55.25 | jleclanche | iShirik: the fat client does it transparently, but if you want to set up eg. a bouncer on your machine or be able to connect to it from a different client, you can do that |
| 03:55.42 | kd3 | my core's running on my pi, I'm connected to it from my desktop |
| 03:55.46 | jleclanche | iShirik: shared core means multiple people connecting to your core |
| 03:55.50 | iShirik | so instead of running znc on my server I could just run quassel on it |
| 03:55.50 | kd3 | ...or my phone |
| 03:55.54 | jleclanche | iShirik: exactly |
| 03:56.03 | iShirik | but it doesn't speak IRC to the client |
| 03:56.07 | jleclanche | yep |
| 03:56.17 | jleclanche | you cant connect to it with a non-quassel-compatible client |
| 03:56.41 | jleclanche | they need to work on that honestly because with an actual spec and some libs they could do some real good |
| 03:56.42 | Stanzilla | they have their own protocol for that |
| 03:57.00 | kd3 | it'd be nice if quassel would ever support dcc... |
| 03:57.17 | jleclanche | eh |
| 03:57.36 | Arrowmaster | it doesnt? |
| 03:57.45 | Arrowmaster | guess i cant switch anytime soon |
| 03:58.01 | kd3 | eh, I've still got xchat installed if I really need to get a file over irc |
| 03:58.14 | jleclanche | who does that |
| 03:58.28 | jleclanche | amendment, who does that since bittorrent exists? |
| 03:58.49 | Arrowmaster | i do |
| 03:59.00 | Stanzilla | bittorrent has too much NSA |
| 03:59.32 | Amarande | also dcc isn't just for file transfers |
| 03:59.32 | kd3 | occasionally things show up on irc before they do via a torrent |
| 03:59.39 | jleclanche | isnt bittorrent's encryption model nsa-proof as long as you don't connect to evil nodes? |
| 03:59.43 | Amarande | if you run an eggdrop bot, you need dcc capability to control it via IRC |
| 04:00.02 | Arrowmaster | i cant be bothered to deal with most private trackers (they have stupid rules) and i know of a bot that has every tv show before they show up on public trackers |
| 04:00.32 | Arrowmaster | its been getting slower lately though, too many people found out about it |
| 04:01.03 | jleclanche | list of things that dont scale |
| 04:01.35 | Arrowmaster | still faster than a public bt swarm on release though |
| 04:03.51 | Thunder_Child | I keep seeing bittorrent billboards in LA and I am amused. |
| 04:04.16 | Thunder_Child | I mean what, maybe 5% will understand it? |
| 04:04.44 | jleclanche | Iriel: I'm getting increasingly concerned with devs taking the "Ask a dev" less and less seriously |
| 04:04.48 | Arrowmaster | bittorrent inc billboards? |
| 04:05.18 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/08/bittorrent-billboards_n_4066689.html |
| 04:06.01 | Arrowmaster | yeah bittorrent inc, i could never take them seriously |
| 04:06.31 | Iriel | jleclanche: in general, or specific devs? |
| 04:06.34 | iShirik | in random news |
| 04:06.39 | iShirik | friend of mine wrote this https://twitter.com/cyberprefixer |
| 04:06.45 | jleclanche | Iriel: an increasing amount of devs |
| 04:09.34 | Amarande | yeah are public torrents even really worth it? :S |
| 04:09.49 | Amarande | like when I install blizzard software, I always find that enabling p2p is a good way to cause my download speed to tank, not improve :| |
| 04:10.07 | Arrowmaster | thats because of the client |
| 04:10.28 | jleclanche | and possibly network config |
| 04:10.41 | jleclanche | the client uses bittorrent with an http source |
| 04:13.45 | Arrowmaster | jleclanche: its been a while since youve used apt-get right? |
| 04:13.53 | jleclanche | i sometimes deal with it. why? |
| 04:14.13 | Arrowmaster | http://segfault.linuxmint.com/2013/10/how-to-build-and-install-the-latest-cinnamon-from-git/#comment-3995 |
| 04:14.21 | Stanzilla | jerome :> |
| 04:15.01 | Arrowmaster | i have no idea if im doing something wrong or if thats not really a proper package repo |
| 04:15.38 | jleclanche | i dont know sorry. did you try their channel? |
| 04:15.54 | Arrowmaster | no but i doubt that guy is in it |
| 04:16.30 | Arrowmaster | everything would be so much easier for me if they would just update cinnamon in LMDE |
| 04:18.24 | jleclanche | you could just use lxqt |
| 04:18.29 | jleclanche | then id be able to help you :P |
| 04:20.14 | Arrowmaster | is it in debian? |
| 04:20.21 | jleclanche | I dont know |
| 04:20.34 | jleclanche | probably not |
| 04:20.45 | jleclanche | you could just use arch linux though |
| 04:20.48 | jleclanche | then i'd be able to help you. |
| 04:21.13 | Arrowmaster | nah |
| 04:21.39 | Arrowmaster | or i could stop being lazy and setup my own build env and just compile the stuff myself |
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| 04:29.15 | kd3 | I did the numbers earlier, but holy crap. if wow itemization in warlords goes the way I expect it to, items from raids can have up to 112 variations |
| 04:29.48 | Torhal | Wow. |
| 04:32.31 | Stanzilla | I really dont like that |
| 04:32.42 | Stanzilla | I even thought warforged was a bad idea but this is warforged³ |
| 04:34.06 | kd3 | based on everything I know right now, here's what I've got: http://wowpedia.org/Forum:Warlords_item_tooltips |
| 04:34.30 | kd3 | I'm really curious to see what the item databases/armory/etc. are planning on doing |
| 04:35.57 | airtonix | wow will be irrelevant when minecraft is released |
| 04:36.03 | kd3 | lol |
| 04:36.10 | airtonix | i mean everquest |
| 04:36.25 | airtonix | shit i mean guildwars2 |
| 04:38.18 | jleclanche | kd3: everything can be autogenerated to the death |
| 04:38.37 | jleclanche | this is great for devs and development speed |
| 04:38.40 | jleclanche | this is bad for players |
| 04:38.41 | Amarande | kd3: wtf, how does that work |
| 04:38.52 | Amarande | is there like a different item tier for every player count in flex or something like that? |
| 04:39.09 | Amarande | like "this is the 13 player flex item" "this is the 17 player flex item" etc.? |
| 04:39.10 | Stanzilla | you could just read what he linked |
| 04:39.11 | Stanzilla | :D |
| 04:39.16 | kd3 | no. the four primary item tiers are rf, normal, heroic, mystic |
| 04:39.28 | kd3 | (in warlords) |
| 04:39.47 | kd3 | right now in SoO, the tiers are rf, flex, normal, warforged normal, heroic, warforged heroic |
| 04:39.54 | Amarande | amplify? |
| 04:39.56 | Amarande | what's that do? |
| 04:40.04 | kd3 | http://wowpedia.org/Attributes#Warlords_stats_changes |
| 04:46.03 | Amarande | ... good grief, death knights are going to be insane |
| 04:46.28 | Amarande | and all those people who we looked at for using variations of Arthas as their name are gonna be like "hah I told you the name was good" :P |
| 04:47.02 | Amarande | I'm guessing there won't be any paired/council bosses in WoD, looking at Necrotic Plague heh |
| 04:49.18 | Stanzilla | you are guessing too much |
| 04:51.35 | Amarande | Stanzilla: well, it would seem like any council type boss would be insanely easy with necrotic |
| 04:51.59 | Amarande | cast, watch it ping ping ping till eventually it stacks high enough to one-shot the boss group? :) |
| 04:52.40 | kd3 | don't put too much (or any) faith in the lvl100 talents as shown |
| 04:55.03 | jleclanche | Amarande: before every expansion, you go on a long rant built purely upon your "guesses", which always turn out wrong because, despite blizzard being stupid, they're not insane |
| 04:55.09 | jleclanche | let me ask you, why do you still do it. |
| 04:55.22 | airtonix | because he's russian |
| 04:56.09 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:56.26 | airtonix | you ever feel like you're the convo killer? |
| 04:56.50 | kd3 | I learned to stop caring when I killed conversations |
| 04:56.55 | jleclanche | "Even the constantly draining health marked it out in SOME way, like a spear made out of frozen bullshit." |
| 04:57.04 | kd3 | gin seems to help |
| 04:57.46 | airtonix | it's not me it's you |
| 04:57.50 | airtonix | i mean |
| 05:00.16 | kd3 | anyway, time to crash. got lots of thanksgiving prep to handle later today |
| 05:01.48 | airtonix | sucks to be you |
| 05:02.22 | Amarande | happy Thanksgiving |
| 05:02.37 | Amarande | heh. I find it a bit amusing that rogues apparently don't [Master the Basics] till level 100. :) |
| 05:03.26 | jleclanche | i find it more amusing that you somehow learn to fly badass winged creatures |
| 05:03.30 | jleclanche | and then forget. |
| 05:03.35 | jleclanche | and then learn it again. |
| 05:03.38 | jleclanche | and forget again. |
| 05:03.40 | jleclanche | and.. |
| 05:04.03 | Amarande | heh, yeah, that too |
| 05:04.16 | Amarande | Ah, they should make that a song |
| 05:04.38 | Amarande | "I believe I can fly, I believe I can touch the sky, I ... AAAAAAUUGGGGH FORGOT TO BUY FLYING SKILL FOR THIS AREA *THUD*" |
| 05:05.10 | Amarande | I'm sure they can squeeze that latter bit in |
| 05:05.24 | Amarande | if they can manage "It's beginning to look a lot like this raid isn't going to happen" they can manage that :D |
| 05:12.35 | Amarande | hm. "I believed I could fly. I believed I could touch the sky. But I forgot to buy the flying skill. And now I'm paying yet another repair bill." :) |
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| 05:21.51 | airtonix | jleclanche: looking for a fonticon set that has the postgres, django and angular logos. any ideas? |
| 05:22.32 | jleclanche | https://pictonic.co/free |
| 05:22.47 | jleclanche | google query: fonticon set that has the postgres, django and angular logos |
| 05:23.31 | Semlar | you didn't include the bit about the ideas? |
| 05:23.48 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 05:24.33 | airtonix | jleclanche: sterling! |
| 05:24.39 | jleclanche | yw |
| 05:25.48 | jleclanche | off to bed. gn |
| 05:26.09 | Fisker | bye |
| 05:27.51 | Stanzilla | Fisker |
| 05:27.57 | Fisker | no Stanzilla |
| 05:28.43 | Stanzilla | yes Fisker |
| 05:28.45 | Fisker | no |
| 05:29.21 | Stanzilla | I'm salvaging goods |
| 05:29.23 | Stanzilla | you cannot stop me |
| 05:31.10 | Fisker | ok |
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| 05:58.19 | bluspacecow | Diskery Fisker |
| 05:58.22 | bluspacecow | Hi! |
| 06:07.51 | Fisker | hi bluspacecow |
| 06:07.57 | Fisker | bye bluspacecow |
| 06:08.04 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 06:08.13 | bluspacecow | y so mean? |
| 06:09.24 | airtonix | because goats |
| 06:10.06 | bluspacecow | baaabaaabaaabaaaaa |
| 06:12.22 | airtonix | lolsheep |
| 06:24.45 | Fisker | nomean bluspacecow |
| 06:28.40 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 06:36.55 | Primer | Anyone here familiar with hardware specs for minecraft servers? As in, X number of players requires such and such CPU, memory, bandwidth, etc? |
| 06:37.11 | airtonix | Iriel might be |
| 06:37.27 | Primer | My daughter keeps asking me to set her up with one. I have an old c2d in the garage with 8g of ram that I can slap Linux onto |
| 06:37.49 | Iriel | It's worth a try - the biggest problem is CPU use |
| 06:37.58 | Primer | I have 30mb/s up so I don't see bandwidth being a problem |
| 06:38.04 | Iriel | plus the current version has an occasional memory leak, but nothing you can't reboot daily to fix |
| 06:38.13 | Primer | Well, I'm running bukkit |
| 06:38.28 | Primer | But that one's still 1.6.4 |
| 06:38.32 | Iriel | You'd want to be sure to run the JVM with garbage collection settings suitable for minecraft, the defaults are crap |
| 06:38.40 | Iriel | 1.6.4 has been VERY stable for me |
| 06:38.44 | Primer | I have a feeling that even a quad core c2d isn't going to be enough |
| 06:39.37 | Neffi | What kind of CPU is cograil running on, Iriel? |
| 06:40.33 | Iriel | It USED to be running in a VM on a Quad Core 2.66 GHz Xeon (shared with some other VM's)- but it was quite memory lmited there. |
| 06:40.54 | bluspacecow | BRB |
| 06:41.02 | Iriel | nowadays it's on a 2.5 Ghz i5 |
| 06:41.06 | bluspacecow | logging on cograil to set off 10 billion sticks of TNT |
| 06:41.09 | Iriel | with a ton of memory |
| 06:41.13 | Neffi | Sandy? Haswell? |
| 06:41.23 | bluspacecow | neffi! |
| 06:41.29 | Iriel | Whatever a late 2012 Mac Mini is |
| 06:41.36 | Neffi | The performance is pretty good on it. I was curious what you guys throw at it. |
| 06:41.41 | Neffi | bluspacecow! |
| 06:41.46 | bluspacecow | Hi2u! |
| 06:41.52 | Neffi | hai2u2 |
| 06:41.57 | Primer | Well, I'm going to give this a try then. I know this machine is old, just don't know how old. But it's some form of c2d, either dual or quad core (not sure how threaded a minecraft server is), with 8g of ram. |
| 06:42.01 | Iriel | But i'm running 3 servers concurrently on it |
| 06:42.14 | Iriel | Primer: what's your email address (you can PM it) - Ill send you the GC settings I use |
| 06:42.28 | Neffi | bluspacecow: wait, what with TNT? |
| 06:43.07 | bluspacecow | essentially the server has to calculate the blast radius and its affects on neraby blocks |
| 06:43.11 | Primer | Iriel: daniel@ceregatti.org |
| 06:43.19 | Primer | Yes, I know, I could have PM'd it...but meh |
| 06:43.23 | bluspacecow | set off enough of it and you can lag the server majorly |
| 06:43.35 | Primer | and thanks! |
| 06:43.38 | bluspacecow | eg one guy did over a million of it ? |
| 06:43.42 | bluspacecow | lagged his server by 2 hrs |
| 06:43.48 | Primer | My daughter is reading this |
| 06:43.48 | Neffi | like that video posted in #cograil about how a fireball took 2.5 hours to destroy the surrounding bedrock? |
| 06:43.51 | Primer | She's all excited :) |
| 06:43.56 | bluspacecow | yeah that |
| 06:44.19 | Primer | She just asked me "Do you think it'll be able to support 100 people?" |
| 06:44.21 | Neffi | just don't destroy mah palace |
| 06:44.23 | Primer | She's 11 btw |
| 06:44.58 | bluspacecow | if your jumping on cograil Primer |
| 06:45.02 | bluspacecow | IIRC its 20 at once I think |
| 06:45.05 | Neffi | Damn, she has more friends than I do |
| 06:45.10 | Primer | that's the default |
| 06:45.11 | bluspacecow | no wait |
| 06:45.15 | bluspacecow | *reads up* |
| 06:45.16 | bluspacecow | nvm! |
| 06:45.18 | bluspacecow | :3 |
| 06:45.59 | Neffi | you really doing this crazy TNT stuff, bluspacecow? |
| 06:46.05 | bluspacecow | nah |
| 06:46.11 | bluspacecow | that needs gunpowder IIRC |
| 06:46.18 | bluspacecow | which means getting close to creepers :) |
| 06:46.20 | Neffi | bah. i was gonna log on so i could watch |
| 06:46.21 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 06:46.27 | Primer | What's the address cograil? |
| 06:46.36 | Primer | I'll have her get on (and please, be nice...she's 11...) |
| 06:46.47 | bluspacecow | so no penis jokes ? |
| 06:46.55 | Neffi | Iriel: ^ |
| 06:47.04 | Primer | correct |
| 06:49.28 | Primer | SOOOOO |
| 06:49.34 | Primer | Am I going to get this server address? |
| 06:49.39 | Iriel | She can visit (with supervision) but probably not currently be a full-time "resident" - partly because I can't guarantee it's always child friendly, and partly because we keep the server population pretty limited. |
| 06:49.48 | Iriel | But if she wants to visit I can open it up for a bit. |
| 06:50.10 | Iriel | minecraft.iriel.org - i'd need to know her minecraft id (or she can try and log inand i'll see it in the error message) |
| 06:50.22 | bluspacecow | minecraft.cogwheel ..... wa ? |
| 06:50.30 | bluspacecow | have I been using the wrong address :P |
| 06:50.31 | Iriel | minecraft.cogwheel.info works too |
| 06:50.45 | Iriel | Both addresses go to the same place |
| 06:51.25 | airtonix | if you just want to look around, the maps for all four worlds are up too |
| 06:52.08 | bluspacecow | any plans to depreciate one address in favour of using the other ? should I change to irel.org ? |
| 06:52.21 | Iriel | bluspacecow: Use whichever you want. |
| 06:52.28 | Primer | Can you whitelist BudderCarrot? |
| 06:52.40 | Iriel | Done |
| 06:53.04 | Primer | Is there something special on here? |
| 06:53.48 | bluspacecow | yep! |
| 06:53.52 | bluspacecow | Me :) |
| 06:55.01 | Primer | Other than that |
| 06:55.21 | Iriel | We restarted the world with 1.7 so stuff's still very much under construction |
| 06:55.22 | bluspacecow | @Primer if you visit the address minecraft.cogwheel.info there's an overviewer map there |
| 06:55.33 | bluspacecow | on the web that is |
| 06:55.45 | airtonix | http://overviewer.iriel.org/cograil4/#/-226/64/-146/-3/0/0 |
| 06:56.25 | airtonix | were does cogwheel get his glass from? |
| 06:56.36 | airtonix | seems like an odd place to put a glass emporium |
| 06:56.51 | airtonix | oh it's a colour emporium. not glass. |
| 06:57.16 | Iriel | There's a desert to the NW of the spawn (it's POI marked) to harvest sand |
| 06:58.44 | airtonix | i really like that flower spawn |
| 06:58.50 | airtonix | it's kinda epic |
| 06:59.53 | airtonix | i tried to make a radio telescope on my tower to try and fit in, but i think i fail at freespace construction |
| 07:00.07 | Iriel | I planned the spawn tower in advance |
| 07:00.17 | Iriel | thttp://www.cheeseplant.org/~daniel/images/mcspawnbuild/ |
| 07:00.28 | airtonix | any tools i can use to draw circles in a 45 degree angle? |
| 07:00.47 | Iriel | Perl and some basic math? |
| 07:00.56 | Iriel | Really yssaril's the guy to ask about that |
| 07:00.59 | Iriel | he tends to know the tools |
| 07:01.10 | Iriel | I tend to write myself scripts |
| 07:02.09 | airtonix | i suck at maths |
| 07:02.19 | Primer | I wrote a mapping application once where I had to pre-render a bunch of circles as pngs. I just used imagemagick |
| 07:02.36 | Primer | What exactly are you looking to do? |
| 07:02.40 | Primer | i.e. what medium? |
| 07:02.54 | airtonix | yeah i don't just want circles on flat ground, i'd like to plot the blocks to place for a circle tilted on a 45 degree angle |
| 07:03.03 | Iriel | He wants to build a dish in minecraft at about 45 degrees, I think |
| 07:03.09 | airtonix | like the rim of a radio telescope |
| 07:03.10 | Iriel | Whcih now explains what that ring was for |
| 07:03.14 | Dagmar | You're going to need to go big |
| 07:03.23 | Primer | Aren't there command for that? |
| 07:03.30 | airtonix | not in vanilla |
| 07:03.34 | Dagmar | Small spheres dont' do so well, but Iriels' right. You just need a little math |
| 07:03.39 | Iriel | Our server's unmodded |
| 07:03.39 | Primer | Where you can say "draw something with this equation"? |
| 07:03.53 | Iriel | Oh, yes, there are, there are also some to make voxels |
| 07:03.58 | airtonix | i just tried to do it by eye before |
| 07:04.01 | Iriel | Actually, I might have a screenshot fromone of yssaril's tools. |
| 07:04.03 | Iriel | one sec |
| 07:06.08 | Iriel | Bah, can't find it |
| 07:09.28 | airtonix | https://neil.fraser.name/news/2006/11/17/ |
| 07:10.02 | Iriel | I did the dome on the spawn tower with lua |
| 07:10.16 | airtonix | i actually found a site hat simulates redstone in javascript |
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| 07:19.22 | airtonix | eh i could just do half a sphere and cut away at 45deg |
| 07:20.29 | Iriel | That might work |
| 07:20.34 | airtonix | just an idea im thinking about to try and fit in with the design language of the spawn |
| 07:20.43 | airtonix | since i'm so close |
| 07:20.45 | Iriel | wouldn't be quite the right shape tho |
| 07:21.05 | airtonix | perhaps a radio dish isn't the right thing? |
| 07:21.26 | Iriel | I dont think it's the WRONG thing |
| 07:21.35 | Iriel | Hard to tell until you really visualize it tho |
| 07:22.28 | Iriel | Some kind of 8 vaned windmill could work too |
| 07:25.51 | Iriel | I can think of no reason why a parabolic dish wouldn't be fine too though |
| 07:26.05 | Iriel | construction/design complexity notwithstanding |
| 07:26.10 | airtonix | perhaps more silos so it looks like a power plant for the spawn |
| 07:26.55 | Iriel | Maybe, you can wander them a bit closer too if need be |
| 07:27.41 | Iriel | (By the way some of the drops between your place and the tower are lethal height now, I finshed cutting away the hill) |
| 07:27.55 | Iriel | eventually we'll clean it up and soften the cliffs |
| 07:32.56 | Stanzilla | just found a small upgrade https://db.tt/Zjp3y8yi |
| 07:33.01 | Primer | Iriel: Did you ever find out the server specs you're running? |
| 07:33.01 | Stanzilla | oh and wrong channel |
| 07:33.41 | Iriel | Primer: Currently it's on a fairly recent Mac Mini (2.5 GHz mac pro, with 16GB of ram) - but it was on a fiarly old machine beforehand. |
| 07:34.51 | Primer | Have you tried to find out what the effective user limit with that kind of hardware is? |
| 07:34.54 | Iriel | I know it DOESNT run on a 10 year old workstation. |
| 07:35.34 | Iriel | I haven't - ours handles 6 or 7 people without any issues, the only issues i've had lately have been when some kind of bug stops unloading entities, or if someone does something crazy |
| 07:35.45 | Iriel | (like drop thousands of ender pearls onto the spawn) |
| 07:35.53 | Primer | hehe |
| 07:36.19 | Iriel | A friend has been running a server on a laptop for his kids (just a small one), but I dont know what spec. |
| 07:36.28 | Iriel | And he's eastern time so I can't ask him |
| 07:36.32 | Primer | I run a server on my machine here |
| 07:36.49 | Primer | And I've had as many as 5 of her friends on plus her at the same time |
| 07:37.00 | Primer | but my machine is an i7 2.6g or something with 16g of ram |
| 07:37.14 | Iriel | So probably more powerful than my little mini |
| 07:37.16 | Primer | I only allocate 2g heap to mc though, but this is bukkit with a bunch of plugins |
| 07:38.09 | Primer | She tells me this one server has a limit of 10k people. |
| 07:38.22 | Primer | I can't believe a single machine can handle that many people |
| 07:38.33 | Primer | Now she's backing off and saying it's 1k |
| 07:38.45 | Primer | Especially running java |
| 07:39.09 | Iriel | Java's not really the problem |
| 07:39.16 | Iriel | Minecraft's single work thread is the problem |
| 07:39.36 | Primer | I would say java is part of the problem :) |
| 07:40.00 | Iriel | Modern JVM's are pretty scarily good at some things. |
| 07:40.13 | Iriel | (But I spent my time making them do those things so i'm biassed somewhat) |
| 07:40.41 | Primer | sigh, I just enchanted my bracers with +180 int and I'm a LW... |
| 07:40.45 | Iriel | But you'd need some prettys erious hardware to run very high concurrency minecraft - beefy CPU and a bunch of fast RAM |
| 07:41.07 | Primer | undoubtedly |
| 07:41.53 | Primer | I really should figure out what that hardware I have is |
| 07:42.02 | Iriel | That'd be a good start |
| 07:42.14 | Iriel | Just run the server jar on it and see if it can sustain one user too |
| 07:42.27 | Iriel | You'll get 'Can't keep up" log messages if it's incapable |
| 07:42.43 | Primer | well, it's currently sitting in the garage with no HD |
| 07:42.48 | Iriel | Or the machine will burst into flame |
| 07:45.03 | Primer | I wonder if my wife will give me crap for doing this now... |
| 07:45.43 | Primer | suppose I could just boot a live cd too |
| 07:45.48 | Primer | not sure if I have a hard drive handy |
| 07:45.54 | Iriel | I suspect it depends on the amount of noise you'd generate. |
| 07:46.17 | Iriel | rummaging in a garage |
| 07:46.23 | Primer | well, simply opening the door to get to the garage might suffice to raise her ire... |
| 07:47.06 | Iriel | Maybe a to be continued tomorrow project? |
| 07:47.20 | Primer | perhaps |
| 07:48.00 | airtonix | it'd awesome if minecraft was clusterable |
| 07:48.02 | Iriel | When you've run it on your machine did you launch a standalone server, or share the normal client's server? |
| 07:48.16 | Primer | standalone |
| 07:48.20 | Primer | but this box is window |
| 07:49.50 | Iriel | Well, as long as you have a decent JVM installed in linux you should just be able to grab the server jar and run it (java -jar minecraft_server.jar) or use the longer set of GC settings I sent you |
| 07:50.21 | Iriel | (they helped me a void a bunch of stuttering and latency due to GC pauses back in 1.6) |
| 07:51.48 | Primer | it'll likely be bukkit :) |
| 07:52.07 | Primer | yeah, I noticed you've dedicated 3 threads to GC |
| 07:52.09 | Iriel | Does that come with its own launch scripts and stuff? |
| 07:52.15 | Primer | it's just a jar |
| 07:53.30 | Iriel | By the way - I did find this page: http://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Server/Requirements |
| 07:54.07 | Primer | dammit...I think I'm going to the garage... |
| 07:54.14 | Primer | thing is I only have a mint 15 live cd |
| 07:54.19 | Primer | and it can't be run headless |
| 07:54.34 | Primer | it doesn't even start ssh |
| 07:54.55 | Primer | and it also starts X, which I don't want |
| 07:55.00 | Primer | hrmm |
| 07:55.06 | Iriel | Doesn't it have a text only boot option? |
| 07:55.17 | Primer | A live cd with java already on it would be ideal |
| 07:55.38 | Iriel | The other question is whether it has java 6 (or 7) on it - that'd be a dicey proposition. |
| 07:55.40 | Primer | The "minimal" just starts X with the fb driver, IIRC |
| 07:56.03 | Primer | Pretty sure no Debian based distro comes with anything other than openjdk |
| 07:57.17 | Primer | mint live cd is ok in that I can just run apt-get install directly in its shell |
| 07:58.10 | Iriel | Wonder which one I was using... |
| 07:59.25 | Iriel | When I was running it in a linux VM I was using oracle's java7 package |
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| 08:06.03 | Iriel | Ok.. bedtime for me - good luck with the server Primer |
| 08:15.11 | Primer | Couldn't find my mint dvd |
| 08:15.17 | Primer | so I'm having to burn a new one |
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| 08:21.35 | zenzio | so, my mobile provider has an app that can show you statistics about your subscription. So far this month I have used 52/3072 MB mobile data traffic, 3 minutes of regular phone conversation, 18 SMS... |
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| 08:32.53 | Primer | Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E8500 @ 3.16GHz |
| 08:32.58 | Primer | is what it has |
| 08:33.02 | Primer | dual core |
| 08:33.09 | Primer | 8g of ram |
| 08:33.43 | Primer | apparently the mint 15 live cd has no boot option that isn't X |
| 08:33.54 | Primer | So I'm manually killing it off |
| 08:36.09 | Primer | I miss the days when you could just edit the runlevel in inittab and init q |
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| 08:39.37 | airtonix_ | don't use mint |
| 08:39.44 | airtonix_ | just use normal ubuntu server |
| 08:40.23 | airtonix | then install msm |
| 08:40.42 | airtonix | http://marcuswhybrow.com/minecraft-server-manager/ |
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| 08:42.03 | Primer | no, I can't stand ubuntu |
| 08:42.11 | airtonix | then why are you using mint? |
| 08:42.19 | Primer | because it doesn't have unity |
| 08:42.28 | airtonix | why are you using a gui on a server? |
| 08:42.33 | Primer | uhhhh |
| 08:42.35 | Primer | I just turned it off |
| 08:42.36 | airtonix | ubuntu server doesn't have unity |
| 08:42.47 | airtonix | it has no X |
| 08:43.01 | Primer | it's the only iso I had |
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| 08:43.21 | airtonix | dammit you will conform to my ideals! |
| 08:47.01 | Primer | dammit, I should have a disk for this |
| 08:47.21 | Primer | forgot that the server I'm using is like 400M on the fs |
| 08:48.22 | Primer | well, the ramdisk is half the ram as it is |
| 08:48.28 | Primer | so there's plenty of space |
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| 09:30.07 | Primer | well, server is up |
| 09:30.29 | Primer | Need to disable the whitelist |
| 09:31.00 | Primer | mcdownloads.com in case anyone is interested |
| 09:32.06 | airtonix | you want that whitelist |
| 09:32.15 | airtonix | unless you want fisker joining your server |
| 09:32.15 | Primer | just for now |
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| 11:40.53 | karl_w_w | it hasn't rained yet this month, 3 days left to go. if it doesn't rain it'll be the first time on record that november has been completely dry. the forecast chance of weather for the next 3 days is 70%, 90% and 80% |
| 11:41.01 | karl_w_w | I'm oddly invested in this |
| 11:41.44 | karl_w_w | s/weather/rain/ |
| 11:43.50 | karl_w_w | the rain front might change course and miss us :P |
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| 12:34.45 | airtonix | rained today karl_w_w |
| 12:34.56 | karl_w_w | not here :P |
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| 13:48.00 | bluspacecow | ... |
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| 14:17.51 | karl_w_w | moar dots bluspacecow |
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| 14:54.21 | pompy | kd3, Arrowmaster: sinceyou like anime http://amzn.com/B00CU6WBMW gunna be a lightning deal in 1.5 hrs |
| 14:54.37 | Arrowmaster | meh |
| 14:55.39 | znf | that looks like hentai |
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| 14:57.25 | pompy | lol |
| 14:57.46 | Arrowmaster | ive not seen it but i think its a fanservice heavy show |
| 14:58.02 | Amarande | znf: fanservice and hentai are two different things :P |
| 14:58.05 | pompy | znf: "This is not the DxD covering the screen at every hint of "naughty bits" version. Coming from Funimation...I half expected it to be censored. This will likely sell primarily because it's a boob show. (Yes, the scenes don't just have nudity--the nudity is the scene.) " |
| 14:58.17 | Amarande | well I guess you can't have hentai without fanservice, but you can have fanservice without being hentai :p |
| 14:58.24 | znf | I have no idea what "fanservice" is |
| 14:58.40 | Amarande | znf: when they make all the girls look good and have larger than average boobs? that's fanservice |
| 14:58.51 | znf | I see |
| 14:58.54 | Amarande | which is like ... probably about 99.8477% of all anime LOL |
| 14:58.54 | znf | that's... weird |
| 14:59.01 | Arrowmaster | wrong |
| 14:59.30 | Amarande | when they add in a beach visit episode just to show off the girls in bikinis? that's fanservice, too |
| 14:59.39 | Amarande | which is also ... well a fairly large percentage of anime |
| 15:00.15 | Amarande | when they add plenty of "armorkini" modeled items in WoW? that's also fanservice heh |
| 15:00.56 | znf | they haven't added that since... BC :P |
| 15:00.59 | znf | and that was a reskin |
| 15:01.07 | znf | rather, recolor |
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| 15:15.18 | Arrowmaster | damn this is going on sale tonight and it says it doesnt fit my car http://amzn.com/B0072LGSP6 |
| 15:17.32 | bluspacecow | http://imgur.com/gallery/tThQaqt |
| 15:18.22 | bluspacecow | @znf its why nearly every anime has a beach episode ...... and/or a bath tub episode |
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| 15:59.27 | karl_w_w | there's no community choice in the steam sale? |
| 16:02.36 | Ackis | hi bluspacecow |
| 16:03.00 | bluspacecow | Herro Doge |
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| 16:05.46 | Ackis | http://www.reddit.com/r/JusticePorn/comments/1rmih6/kleargear_company_holds_familys_credit_hostage/ |
| 16:05.49 | Ackis | dafuq |
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| 16:16.32 | pompy | Skyrim finally hit 75% off on steam lol |
| 16:22.49 | Ackis | VIad: I made a couple changes to the pokemon spreadsheet |
| 16:23.03 | VIad | I am entirely cool with that Ackis :) |
| 16:24.32 | VIad | going to work so <3 you later |
| 16:25.13 | Ackis | have fun |
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| 16:40.11 | Fisker | why do you hate me Ackis ? |
| 16:40.27 | Ackis | because you're russian |
| 16:41.31 | Fisker | I'm not |
| 16:41.48 | Fisker | why can't I play pokemanz with you? |
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| 16:49.30 | Fisker | ;( |
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| 17:48.06 | foxlit | So it's very tempting to write safeget(someTable, id or 1/0), but it wouldn't work. Sadness! |
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| 17:55.23 | iShirik | wtf is safeget |
| 17:55.43 | iShirik | !api safeget |
| 17:55.43 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'safeget'. |
| 17:58.05 | foxlit | consider it a safe version of t[a][b][c][d][e] which doesn't trip on indexing nils. |
| 17:59.28 | iShirik | does it take a variable number of args? |
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| 18:01.27 | foxlit | yes, but I'm lazy, so it doesn't call select, but rather bails at the first nil key. |
| 18:03.14 | iShirik | I hate select anyway |
| 18:03.31 | iShirik | it's an insanely inefficient function that should be built into the language |
| 18:08.00 | Semlar | it's not that inefficient |
| 18:08.52 | Semlar | it's just slower than not using a function |
| 18:09.07 | iShirik | no |
| 18:09.13 | iShirik | for what it does, it is extremely inefficient |
| 18:09.38 | iShirik | there are ways to translate select directly into opcodes that would work perfectly |
| 18:09.55 | iShirik | instead what you end up with is a billion copies and needless pushed values |
| 18:12.08 | pompy | http://amzn.com/B00CXTUBH8 nice price. |
| 18:14.11 | iShirik | didn't like |
| 18:14.13 | iShirik | everyone get that for free |
| 18:23.22 | Neffi | Do you know how to go about translating select into opcodes? |
| 18:23.55 | Neffi | Actually come to think of it, I dont know if they'd accept a patch to make select an operator |
| 18:24.20 | Neffi | They'd likely see it as bloat in the language's syntax |
| 18:25.31 | Neffi | But now I wonder if it'd be more efficient to replace heavy usage of select loops with a stack in pure Lua. |
| 18:26.40 | Neffi | And any moment somebody's gonna call me out because I told them to stop worrying about how inefficient select was |
| 18:27.09 | Semlar | replaces neffi with a stack of pure lua |
| 18:27.17 | Neffi | lol |
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| 18:29.07 | Neffi | It's probably about time I studied Lua's garbage collector, because it'd be a lot easier to say when throwing away tables and such are more efficient |
| 18:31.31 | iShirik | I think I approve of Quassel |
| 18:32.12 | iShirik | Neffi: The garbage collector is a lot less interesting than the other Lua internals, imo |
| 18:32.37 | Neffi | Less interesting, but important if you're worried about efficiency |
| 18:32.51 | iShirik | not really |
| 18:32.52 | Neffi | Also LuaJIT has a basic rundown of the mechanics of it and I found it somewhat interesting |
| 18:33.03 | Neffi | LuaJIT's wiki* |
| 18:33.39 | iShirik | I generally think if you're thinking about the garbage collector, you're already doing something wrong |
| 18:35.00 | Neffi | Not necessarily |
| 18:35.26 | Neffi | When we want to concat an unknown amount of strings, we use a table+table.concat, and not a loop with multiple concats, because we think about the GC |
| 18:36.44 | iShirik | but that has nothing to do with the GC |
| 18:37.01 | iShirik | that has to do with how strings work |
| 18:37.13 | iShirik | the GC is only involved because you decided to create a million other strings |
| 18:37.20 | iShirik | which is the actual inefficiency |
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| 18:42.11 | Fisker | hey iShirik |
| 18:42.37 | Neffi | Somebody in #lua suggested a third option that I feel stupid for not considering |
| 18:42.50 | Neffi | You dont need to use select OR a stack. Tail recursion is an option. |
| 18:45.42 | iShirik | hey Fisker |
| 18:46.05 | iShirik | for what? |
| 18:46.11 | iShirik | that was random |
| 18:46.24 | iShirik | maybe I missed the first half of this conversation |
| 18:47.48 | Fisker | I like you iShirik you are the best thing that happened to iShirik since iShirik |
| 18:47.59 | iShirik | ty Fisker |
| 18:48.21 | Dagmar | iShirik is best Shirik! |
| 18:48.50 | foxlit | death to other Shiriks? |
| 18:50.01 | iShirik | DEATH TO ALL SHIRIKS |
| 18:50.11 | iShirik | I'm pretty sure he auto rejoins though |
| 18:50.18 | *** join/#wowuidev Shirik (mpdelbuono@WoWUIDev/WoWIStaff/Norganna/StatisticalEngineer/Shirik) |
| 18:50.18 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 18:50.26 | iShirik | I don't have access to actually remove him right now :( |
| 18:50.41 | iShirik | I don't have an ssh cert on this computer |
| 18:50.44 | haste | ghost him! |
| 18:50.48 | iShirik | I just did |
| 18:50.50 | iShirik | he came back |
| 18:50.54 | haste | aw |
| 18:52.25 | Neffi | iShirik: Tail recusion in place of many uses of select(i,...) loops |
| 18:52.56 | iShirik | if you are using select() in a loop, you are the reason I hate select |
| 18:53.09 | iShirik | there's actually a 4th option |
| 18:53.18 | Neffi | eg, http://pastebin.com/Fqwk9SM1 |
| 18:53.33 | iShirik | I wrote a Lua patch that offers ...[i] as a valid syntax |
| 18:54.02 | Neffi | that's a really nice idea, but we aren't gonna see this in WoW anytime soon |
| 18:54.07 | iShirik | yeah :( |
| 18:54.38 | Neffi | link to said patch? |
| 18:54.46 | iShirik | I'd have to find it; I wrote it like a year ago |
| 18:54.53 | Neffi | Is it on lua-users? |
| 18:55.00 | iShirik | it should be |
| 18:55.07 | Neffi | Awesome. I'll look later. |
| 18:55.12 | iShirik | who here uses quassel |
| 18:55.17 | Neffi | i do |
| 18:55.20 | iShirik | someone explain to me why #wikipedia-en is below #wowuidev |
| 18:55.22 | iShirik | in the list |
| 18:55.36 | Neffi | It may be joined order |
| 18:55.43 | Neffi | Mine are alphabetical |
| 18:55.46 | iShirik | I just happened to join everything else in alphabetical order? |
| 18:56.07 | Neffi | I have no idea. It should be alphabetical. |
| 18:56.19 | Mr_Rabies | [citation needed] |
| 18:56.21 | Neffi | Ask in #quassel? (I think that's it) |
| 18:56.48 | iShirik | I don't care enough to actually go trying to solve it |
| 18:56.51 | iShirik | just seems strange |
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| 19:02.08 | iShirik | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_Psalm_Book |
| 19:02.13 | Iriel | iShirik: dont kid yourself, it'll chew at you until you DO figure it uout |
| 19:02.13 | iShirik | why would you pay 14 million dollars for a book |
| 19:04.09 | Fisker | death to foxlits |
| 19:08.22 | iShirik | so it's definitely a bug |
| 19:08.35 | iShirik | I opened up preferences and unchecked and then rechecked sort alphabetically |
| 19:08.40 | iShirik | and the preview instantly updated so that they're sorted |
| 19:08.50 | Semlar | it was probably more of a donation than paying 14 million dollars for a book |
| 19:09.06 | iShirik | lies |
| 19:09.08 | iShirik | rich people don't donate |
| 19:11.07 | kd3 | the correct way to eat cranberry sauce: http://i.imgur.com/8WYr9tZ.jpg |
| 19:11.23 | Semlar | i don't see any cranberry sauce |
| 19:12.56 | iShirik | the correct amount of cranberry sauce: http://ndstudies.gov/sites/default/file/blank-flag.gif |
| 19:13.25 | Esamynn|work | ^ |
| 19:13.47 | Amarande | Shirik, you don't like cranberry sauce? |
| 19:13.54 | iShirik | nobody likes cranberry sauce |
| 19:13.58 | Amarande | sheesh, next thing you're going to say other crazy things, like maybe you don't like bacon |
| 19:14.07 | Esamynn|work | I don't like whipped cream |
| 19:14.33 | kd3 | whipped cream by itself is bleh. mix it in to whatever you're consuming, though |
| 19:14.51 | Esamynn|work | nope, not that way either |
| 19:15.07 | Amarande | speaking of which, I never got around to having breakfast today ... which means I forgot to have bacon this thanksgiving :( |
| 19:15.33 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
| 19:15.40 | kd3 | 'lo |
| 19:15.52 | Esamynn|work | Amarande: that's alright, I forgive you |
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| 21:34.58 | foxlit | er, what's [petbattleui]? |
| 21:35.43 | foxlit | not a thing, apparently, but that warning is only displayed once. |
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| 21:45.17 | nebula169 | vehicleui is a condition, as is petbattle, didn't know petbattleui worked |
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| 22:08.42 | foxlit | http://townlong-yak.com/little-battler/files/forfeit.mp4 << well, I think that works |
| 22:17.59 | Stanzilla | chrome hates that video |
| 22:19.18 | zenzelezz | SpaceX cast starting; ~20 minutes till launch |
| 22:19.31 | Stanzilla | grats foxlit your video will be in a bug report |
| 22:23.42 | foxlit | maybe serving raw 1080p at people was overly optimistic |
| 22:23.56 | foxlit | should be a slightly more managable resolution now |
| 22:25.21 | Stanzilla | no |
| 22:25.27 | Stanzilla | it was fine in firefox, just chrome is buggy |
| 22:25.32 | Stanzilla | with about everything atm |
| 22:25.34 | Stanzilla | (sadly) |
| 22:39.43 | zenzelezz | well now, that's interesting |
| 22:41.02 | zenzelezz | shutdown after ignition :-o |
| 22:53.17 | iShirik | nevcairiel: did I show this to you? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gG62zay3kck |
| 22:54.56 | Stanzilla | dafuq is that iShirik |
| 22:55.30 | karl_w_w | a youtube video Stanzilla |
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| 23:07.48 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dmhF1rqaZk lols |
| 23:07.48 | nevcairiel | you are all just jealous we can just concat words and still have valid grammar! |
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| 23:08.27 | foxlit | it's np, english has infinite buffalos. |
| 23:11.27 | iShirik | when I worked on a natural language processor, that was one of my unit tests |
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| 23:30.18 | fewyn | anyone know how many wow accounts i can have on one battle.net? |
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| 23:43.45 | Sintacks | fewyn, i'm unaware of a limit |
| 23:43.48 | Sintacks | but it's more than 80 |
| 23:43.55 | Sintacks | or it is 80 |
| 23:44.00 | fewyn | accounts |
| 23:44.01 | zenzelezz | 50 seconds, abort... this launch is cursed |
| 23:44.01 | fewyn | it's 8 |
| 23:44.03 | fewyn | fyi |
| 23:44.03 | Sintacks | cuz there's a guy that boxes 80 on one battle.net |
| 23:44.10 | fewyn | on one bnet? |
| 23:44.12 | fewyn | okayyy |
| 23:44.14 | fewyn | maybe i'm wrong |
| 23:44.19 | fewyn | my googlefu said 8 |
| 23:44.28 | Sintacks | if not, then he really realy really spent a long time griding dino bones |
| 23:44.39 | Sintacks | cuz he has that mount on all 80 of them |
| 23:55.22 | fewyn | fucking wow |
| 23:55.27 | fewyn | it still thinks i'm on a trial account |
| 23:55.34 | fewyn | i paid my five bu |
| 23:55.34 | fewyn | x |
| 23:55.42 | fewyn | i ain't a trial |
| 23:59.59 | MiRai | You can only have 8 non-beta and non-PTR WoW accounts attached to a single BNet |
