| 00:00.01 | foxlit | The function works, until it mysteriously doesn't, until you either relog or relaunch. |
| 00:00.21 | foxlit | Relog would probably make more sense |
| 00:03.55 | Arrowmaster | so last month i got a ticket for 84 in a 70..... today i got a ticket for 83 in a 70..... same fucking state trooper |
| 00:04.15 | Semlar-Laptop | stahp |
| 00:04.35 | Arrowmaster | and yesterday i followed a different state trooper for 60 miles doing 85 |
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| 00:09.05 | Neffi | 85 in a 70 ain't even that bad |
| 00:11.40 | Semlar-Laptop | neffi you get to go first in double jeopardy |
| 00:11.48 | Neffi | o good |
| 00:14.26 | Arrowmaster | i wouldnt care and just pay the fine if they had it so that 15 and less over in a 70 isnt any points on my license |
| 00:14.54 | Arrowmaster | right now if its 10 or less in a 55 or over its no points |
| 00:21.55 | Semlar-Laptop | jokes on you my car can't go over 80 |
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| 00:27.37 | sintAcks | now i'm not so sure i like the methods i'mi using for this auto invite addon |
| 00:28.00 | sintAcks | but it wasn't working how i was trying to get part of it to work :| |
| 00:28.18 | sintAcks | so i register the event i don't care about earler than i want |
| 00:28.23 | sintAcks | s/earler/earlier/ |
| 00:29.33 | foxlit | "Broken robot? Kick it or something, that might work." |
| 00:29.59 | Sintacks | kicks foxlit to fixit |
| 00:30.01 | foxlit | I keep wanting to link that poster to people, but there are no pictures of it on the internet. |
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| 00:37.27 | Stanzilla | licks Kesava |
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| 01:33.06 | kd3 | wait, what? "Resurrection spells cast by players now ignore resurrection timers." |
| 01:36.03 | Ironi | op. |
| 01:38.53 | Neffi | kd3: Like "you can respawn in 2 minutes" from dying too quickly |
| 01:39.03 | Neffi | Which I never really got the point of, so good change |
| 01:39.15 | Semlar | so you only get a rez timer if you have to run back to your body? |
| 01:39.26 | Neffi | seems like it |
| 01:39.30 | kd3 | yah, but I always thought player resses ignored them, but I guess not |
| 01:39.34 | Semlar | nope |
| 01:40.09 | Semlar | if someone dies a few times in a row they have to wait a while to pop up |
| 01:40.32 | Semlar | pretty annoying in raids |
| 01:40.39 | Stanzilla | kd3: don't tell me you never had that problem in all of the 9 years? :D |
| 01:40.52 | kd3 | only in world boss raids |
| 01:40.56 | Semlar | he doesn't die |
| 01:41.25 | Semlar | kd3 is immortal |
| 01:42.01 | Neffi | kd3 = Keanu Reeves? |
| 01:42.09 | kd3 | lol |
| 01:47.12 | Kesava | Stanzilla: lick? |
| 01:49.12 | Stanzilla | Kesava: random emote to get your attention |
| 01:50.20 | Kesava | Yeeees? |
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| 01:50.59 | Stanzilla | I forgot if I mentioned it before but I think unit names look a bit out of place in the middle |
| 01:52.02 | Kesava | It'd look even worse if they weren't truncated and were aligned to the left |
| 01:52.05 | Kesava | that'd just look silly |
| 01:52.35 | Kesava | but since -you're- complaining I guess I'll add an option for the old layout? |
| 01:52.44 | Kesava | this new one was originally going to be an option in the first place |
| 01:53.12 | Kesava | or, an option to align to the left and truncate |
| 01:53.14 | Kesava | something. |
| 01:53.36 | Stanzilla | options are always good. I just love symetry and atm everything but the 2 names(unit/caster) are on the right side |
| 01:53.40 | Stanzilla | hate that :D |
| 01:53.49 | Stanzilla | right side is super packed and left is empty |
| 01:54.09 | Kesava | ah, you have level disabled |
| 01:54.18 | Stanzilla | ah right, that's why |
| 01:54.27 | Stanzilla | also why highlight the "you're"? :D |
| 01:54.41 | Stanzilla | I complain about everything! |
| 01:54.57 | Kesava | Well, I was already debating at least making a custom.lua for the old layout |
| 01:55.01 | Kesava | but since it's you and everything |
| 01:55.10 | Kesava | it's really easy anyway |
| 01:55.20 | Stanzilla | haha |
| 01:55.33 | Stanzilla | oh and I noticed that debuff tracking does not work on those smaller nameplates |
| 01:55.37 | Stanzilla | know which I mean? |
| 01:55.48 | Kesava | idd, i purposefuly disabled it on them |
| 01:55.56 | Stanzilla | oh ok, why? |
| 01:56.07 | Semlar | TOO SMALL |
| 01:56.11 | Kesava | because um. they're too big? I didn't really test it before deciding they should be disabled |
| 01:56.14 | Kesava | yes. |
| 01:56.24 | Kesava | I shall have a look at that too |
| 01:56.39 | Semlar | i don't even scale my nameplates down for the little things |
| 01:56.46 | Stanzilla | it's just inconsistent even if it might be smart |
| 01:57.04 | Kesava | oh, yeah, they don't avoid eachother either, I don't think |
| 01:57.07 | Kesava | so they'd overlap more often |
| 01:57.24 | Kesava | particulaly since they're in little packs of mobs |
| 01:57.38 | Kesava | usually* |
| 01:58.04 | Neffi | lol Dany http://i.imgur.com/KhFQoKS.jpg |
| 01:58.11 | Stanzilla | meh. never noticed that, I use stacking nameplates anyway |
| 01:58.13 | Stanzilla | https://db.tt/yClp1ATb |
| 01:58.38 | Stanzilla | looks fine? |
| 01:58.57 | Kesava | Yeah, I could fit them into that |
| 01:59.01 | Kesava | i shall see |
| 01:59.24 | Kesava | agh the health text vertical alignment is wrong |
| 01:59.28 | Semlar | why is the alpha on the other plate 100% |
| 01:59.48 | Kesava | because it's casting, i believe |
| 02:00.00 | Stanzilla | one is target one is casting |
| 02:00.05 | Stanzilla | those are 100%, rest is lower |
| 02:00.39 | Kesava | I also didn't design around having althealthtext enabled, so that's another reason it's so right-heavy |
| 02:01.08 | cawaker | whats the font of the combat log in the left? thats pretty rad looking |
| 02:01.39 | Semlar | looks like infinity gears |
| 02:01.48 | Stanzilla | cawaker: name is Coalition but be aware that it has glyph issues |
| 02:01.56 | Stanzilla | like some stuff just shows up as ? |
| 02:02.06 | cawaker | hmm interesting, thanks |
| 02:02.40 | Semlar | the font used in this http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info19881-InfinityPlates.html |
| 02:03.29 | cawaker | awesome |
| 02:03.59 | Stanzilla | Semlar: that one is called infinity gears? |
| 02:04.13 | Semlar | i have no idea, that's what the file is called |
| 02:04.20 | Semlar | i used the font in my own nameplate addon |
| 02:05.17 | Semlar | it looks very similar to the one in your screenshot but i'm not sure if it's the same font |
| 02:05.43 | Stanzilla | heh, I just checked, https://db.tt/pm7XKS8h |
| 02:06.11 | Kesava | i just got my hearthstone key |
| 02:06.13 | Kesava | fucking. finally. |
| 02:06.16 | Semlar | clearly based on the same font |
| 02:06.18 | Stanzilla | grats! |
| 02:06.24 | cawaker | neat fonts nonetheless |
| 02:06.38 | Semlar | i actually like the cap size offset |
| 02:06.39 | cawaker | it goes well with a techy looking UI |
| 02:07.01 | Semlar | coalition appears to be in all caps |
| 02:07.06 | Stanzilla | yeh |
| 02:07.11 | Stanzilla | not sure if mine is techy looking |
| 02:09.58 | Stanzilla | Kesava: the feature I'm missing the most is to color specific units differently. you once game me a custom.lua for that but I kinda lost it :D |
| 02:10.26 | Semlar | i actually can't find infinity gears outside of his addon so i don't know where it's from |
| 02:11.05 | Semlar | possibly one of these http://www.dafont.com/tracertong.d102 |
| 02:11.45 | kd3 | oh, boo. I like not having to turn off my phone below 10k feet, but letting us make cellphone calls while in the air? don't do it, fcc! |
| 02:12.07 | Kesava | Stanzilla: health bars or unit names? |
| 02:12.15 | Stanzilla | Kesava: bars |
| 02:12.30 | Stanzilla | because you know, on many mob fights |
| 02:12.35 | Stanzilla | where one special one comes it |
| 02:12.39 | Neffi | http://imgur.com/gallery/63Mrw <- lol |
| 02:12.46 | Stanzilla | it's just cool to have it be yellow or so |
| 02:13.29 | Stanzilla | s/comes it/comes in/ |
| 02:15.53 | Kesava | Stanzilla: https://github.com/rbtwrrr/Kui_Nameplates-Customs/blob/master/custom.barcolours.lua |
| 02:15.56 | Kesava | understandable |
| 02:16.04 | bleeter | heh blizz store go boom |
| 02:16.08 | Kesava | untested but um. it should work. unless a mob becomes hostile from neutral or something. |
| 02:17.03 | Stanzilla | nice thanks |
| 02:17.31 | Stanzilla | I'll just fork it in case I overwrite it again with the next update :D |
| 02:17.42 | Arrowmaster | somebody with amazon prime buy me the new CAH expansion |
| 02:19.35 | Stanzilla | also wtf is wrong with those target dummies |
| 02:19.44 | Stanzilla | changing from tapped to neutral color depending on range |
| 02:20.37 | Kesava | They appear neutral for a second after the nameplates appear, then become "tapped" |
| 02:20.43 | bleeter | I wish I lived in Miami http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/11/21/3769823/in-miami-gardens-store-video-catches.html |
| 02:20.47 | Kesava | happens with any nameplate that appears when tapped |
| 02:21.08 | Neffi | if you only half listen, Gotye's bunny ran away and he really misses it |
| 02:21.47 | Stanzilla | sad |
| 02:22.26 | Stanzilla | time to make that shaman on garrosh pink |
| 02:22.35 | Stanzilla | best change ever |
| 02:22.53 | Semlar | poor shaman |
| 02:23.09 | Neffi | http://imgur.com/gallery/yVQqUyZ |
| 02:23.20 | Neffi | why can't I have a job where I get to do shit like this? |
| 02:23.40 | Semlar | because you have a boss |
| 02:24.17 | Stanzilla | now, http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink |
| 02:24.22 | Stanzilla | which one to take |
| 02:24.23 | Stanzilla | lol |
| 02:25.03 | Stanzilla | I think hot magenta will make me kill it pretty quickly |
| 02:25.07 | Semlar | fuchsia |
| 02:25.38 | Semlar | magenta's always a solid choice |
| 02:25.52 | Neffi | "Tyrian Pink" <- pick that |
| 02:26.06 | Stanzilla | nah that is too dark |
| 02:26.11 | Neffi | Not because it's nice. It's ugly. But because Tyrion. |
| 02:26.19 | Stanzilla | dat dick |
| 02:26.24 | Neffi | O.O |
| 02:28.25 | Stanzilla | yup, that's cool https://db.tt/7IV881Sp |
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| 02:30.37 | Arrowmaster | ok my amazon shipping issue should be solved if i order CAH expansion 4 I'll just order sleeves for all my cards, I just need 1041 white sleeves and 282 black sleeves plus some extras for custom cards |
| 02:32.36 | Neffi | ..that's a lot of cards |
| 02:33.29 | Arrowmaster | i still need to go through and get more cards from the different versions of each set, theres multiple printings of the base and first expansion plus the canadian and uk special cards |
| 02:33.59 | Arrowmaster | oh and ill need extra sleeves for the 2013 holiday cards |
| 02:34.35 | Stanzilla | wtf are you doing Arrowmaster |
| 02:35.26 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/kwB90lC.png?1 lel |
| 02:36.15 | Arrowmaster | the count for white cards came up at 460 base, 80 exp1, 75 exp2, 75, exp3, 70 exp4, 23 holiday2012, 21 box, 8 pax eastA, 8 pax eastB, 8 pax eastC, 37 pax prime, 16 reject, 80 crabs1, 80 crabs2 |
| 02:37.13 | Arrowmaster | and for black 90 base, 20 exp1, 25 exp2, 25 exp3, 30 exp4, 7 holiday2012, 2 pax eastA, 2 pax eastB, 2 pax eastC, 7 pax prime, 8 reject, 32 crabs1, 32 crabs2 |
| 02:38.19 | Arrowmaster | yes my reject pack came in the mail today, once i get exp4 ill have every expansion or card pack ever released |
| 02:40.02 | Stanzilla | I guess you are talking about wow tcg cards? :D |
| 02:40.07 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 02:40.18 | Arrowmaster | http://www.cardsagainsthumanity.com/ |
| 02:40.19 | Neffi | he's talking about Cards Against Humanity |
| 02:40.26 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 02:40.28 | Neffi | that's kind of OCD Arrowmaster |
| 02:40.35 | Arrowmaster | i know |
| 02:40.40 | kd3 | he's just being a completionist |
| 02:40.47 | Neffi | but you get geek cred for it |
| 02:40.54 | Arrowmaster | my bigger blacker box is also signed |
| 02:41.02 | Neffi | hands Arrowmaster his geek cred plaque. |
| 02:41.11 | kd3 | did you get the secret card out of the bigger blacker box? |
| 02:41.16 | Arrowmaster | fuck no |
| 02:41.19 | Arrowmaster | i have a signed box |
| 02:41.24 | kd3 | heh |
| 02:41.27 | Arrowmaster | im ordering a 2nd box to get the card out of |
| 02:42.37 | Arrowmaster | i may need the 2nd box once i sleeve all these cards too |
| 02:45.21 | Arrowmaster | also when the fuck is LoonyLabs going to reprint Early American Chrononauts, its been sold out for a year now it seems |
| 02:57.33 | Arrowmaster | ok expansion 4 and 1600 card sleeves ordered from amazon, plus a 2nd box ordered directly from CAH |
| 03:00.09 | Arrowmaster | i know i have a CAH problem, but its a great problem |
| 03:01.59 | Thunder_Child | I have all the cards but I don't bother to sleeve them. |
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| 03:10.40 | Arrowmaster | Thunder_Child: ive paid crazy amounts of money for some of theses rarer packs so im finally going to sleeve them all |
| 03:11.04 | Arrowmaster | plus it makes it easier to add custom cards without actually writing on the blank cards |
| 03:11.20 | Arrowmaster | yes im OCD |
| 03:12.12 | Thunder_Child | What rarer packs? |
| 03:12.23 | Thunder_Child | I think I have gotten all of them for msrp. |
| 03:13.08 | Arrowmaster | the pax ones, and rejects pack i paid silly money for |
| 03:13.24 | Arrowmaster | the holiday ones are rare but i got last years for msrp |
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| 03:16.14 | Arrowmaster | we played with only some of the later expansions and got this combo from a pax card and all the white cards being from the box set http://imgur.com/bQzAcfy |
| 03:17.00 | Arrowmaster | i think this came from that same night later on http://imgur.com/6TEWxHI |
| 03:18.14 | Stanzilla | Kesava: so are you doing a different layout as a custom.lua now or adding options? |
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| 03:21.16 | Kesava | Iiii think I'll make an option for an alternate/left-aligned layout |
| 03:22.12 | Kesava | but i will also make a custom.lua for the old layout regardless |
| 03:22.18 | Kesava | because. i was going to anyway |
| 03:22.21 | Kesava | probably tomorrow |
| 03:22.24 | Stanzilla | cool |
| 03:22.28 | Stanzilla | going to watch your github then :D |
| 03:22.36 | Kesava | good good |
| 03:27.19 | pompy | thefuck? http://news.yahoo.com/unclaimed-16-million-powerball-jackpot-set-expire-florida-211728062.html |
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| 03:34.11 | ShirikPro | pompy: it happens |
| 03:34.15 | ShirikPro | people lose their tickets, etc. |
| 03:34.18 | ShirikPro | really sucks |
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| 03:39.53 | kd3 | ... if emacs isn't already bloated enough, now rms wants it to go WYSIWYG? |
| 03:40.16 | ShirikPro | did you need more reasons to hate emacs? |
| 03:40.32 | kd3 | no, I've got enough to last me a while |
| 04:01.27 | kd3 | if you don't want to sleep any time soon, here's pov footage from the washington, il tornado on sunday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1WMEwd8Al0 |
| 04:01.40 | kd3 | (holy shit) |
| 04:09.48 | Arrowmaster | kd3: if its going to get WYSIWYG does that mean it will have a modern looking GUI finally? |
| 04:10.04 | Arrowmaster | or modern behaving GUI |
| 04:10.52 | Arrowmaster | ive never liked the vim or emacs GUIs, they act too much like term emulators and require too many shortcuts to do things other GUIs can do with the mouse |
| 04:15.18 | Ironi | everyone who starts filming when tornado is about to hit your house should be shot, mayby you should comfort your family instead of holding a camera |
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| 04:46.55 | Amarande | Heh. This makes me feel less bad that I stayed away from LOTRO too long and lost my player housing ... |
| 04:46.57 | Amarande | "Opening a Housing Chest will cause Unique items inside of it to disappear. Players should not open their Housing Chests for now." |
| 04:47.00 | airtonix | Arrowmaster: vi{m} isn' retarded because it runs in a terminal. |
| 04:47.39 | Amarande | I'll say, too, for all the things Blizz has been known to do, I don't think any of their howlers have ever been quite that bad, have they? LOL |
| 04:47.42 | airtonix | Arrowmaster: it's retarded because the keyboard shortcuts are an entire programming language of their own |
| 04:47.46 | Amarande | At least none of the ones I've experienced |
| 05:04.46 | Fisker | finally got my desktop app beta key |
| 05:06.46 | Amarande | I'm thinking of trying the desktop app, but probably not till December |
| 05:06.58 | Amarande | I'm already a little anxious whether I'm over cap for November at the moment |
| 05:07.31 | Amarande | not that I'm sure exactly how they decide whether to warn (whether it's an absolute or foggy thing, since I've never seen a warning email even on my biggest usage months) |
| 05:07.49 | Amarande | but ... I'd be unsurprised if they don't warn till the month is over :P |
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| 05:13.47 | Amarande | It's hard to tell whether you've used 250GB or not in a month. :S |
| 05:17.43 | ShirikPro | so my provider |
| 05:18.03 | ShirikPro | if they warn you for overuse of bandwidth, they also give you a contact you can ask for your current use |
| 05:18.14 | ShirikPro | so that you can track it |
| 05:22.47 | Amarande | Yeah, I'm not sure if I've ever actually *been* over |
| 05:22.50 | Amarande | I just get paranoid about it |
| 05:24.35 | Amarande | Especially since I'm not even 100% sure where warnings get sent, and if you get (somehow) 3 warnings in 6 months, then you're booted off the net for 6 months minimum :P Or at least so claims the fine print |
| 05:27.54 | ShirikPro | are you on Charter? |
| 05:27.58 | ShirikPro | because that's basically identical to their policy |
| 05:28.13 | Fisker | hey ShirikPro |
| 05:28.16 | ShirikPro | hey Fisker |
| 05:28.18 | Fisker | I want to get rid of this beta key |
| 05:28.25 | ShirikPro | you can give it to me |
| 05:28.29 | ShirikPro | or you can eat it |
| 05:28.41 | Fisker | why would you need it? |
| 05:28.58 | ShirikPro | why wouldn't I need it? |
| 05:30.15 | Fisker | nope |
| 05:30.22 | Fisker | I will hurt you |
| 05:30.44 | Amarande | Shirik: Yeah, I'm on Charter |
| 05:31.08 | airtonix | ShirikPro: because allowing you to login to a customer dashboard showing you your usage is too hard? |
| 05:31.29 | Amarande | As far as I know, I've never actually seen a warning from them. On the other hand, I'm not sure if that means I've never actually managed to use more than 250 GB in a month or if I've just never checked the right email :P |
| 05:31.34 | ShirikPro | Amarande: Then you probably have nothing to worry about anyway. I've been told they only warn the people that go WAY above limits. |
| 05:32.01 | airtonix | screw it, we'll hire 250 people for a year to answer phones so people can find out their quota usage, instead of paying a developer 30k to create a dashboard. |
| 05:32.03 | ShirikPro | also they do it by mail |
| 05:32.04 | ShirikPro | not email |
| 05:32.26 | ShirikPro | I think the final warning's even sent certified mail |
| 05:33.01 | airtonix | who is your provider? the pentagon? must be where all the money went missing |
| 05:34.53 | Amarande | airtonix, welcome to the Shur Fine States of America |
| 05:35.05 | airtonix | no sorry, i know why it's done that way |
| 05:35.19 | airtonix | because when the boss fires all the developers at least he still knows how to send mail |
| 05:35.39 | airtonix | "it's good, I can take that job over in case of disaster" |
| 05:35.48 | airtonix | everythings fine |
| 05:36.03 | Amarande | pity the "case of disaster" is usually caused by said taking over :) |
| 05:36.21 | Amarande | like that cursed magic amulet I read about in a D&D trap collection once, LOL |
| 05:37.03 | Amarande | The amulet is said to glow whenever the wearer is near danger. Well ... when a character puts it on, the first thing it does is glow super brightly. In the next moment it explodes. :) |
| 05:37.31 | Amarande | Or that sword in LOTR that glows when orcs are near (Sting, am I right?) |
| 05:37.48 | Amarande | It makes you wonder how many fewer orcs one might actually have to *fight* if, you know, the damn thing didn't GIVE YOU AWAY to the orcs in the dark :) |
| 05:38.29 | airtonix | ha |
| 05:38.41 | airtonix | reminds me of the doors in labrynth |
| 05:38.58 | airtonix | which reminds me of the doors in hitchhikers guide to the galaxy |
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| 05:43.40 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 05:43.54 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 05:44.01 | Fisker | Gonna hit the shower wanna join? |
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| 06:25.53 | TGiFallen | I remember there is/was a function that let you cleanly open (and close?) default frames properly and not incur any weird behavior. It wasn't a method on the frames themself, it was something like <somethingsomething>( frameobject ) |
| 06:26.02 | TGiFallen | anyone have and clue to what i'm trying to remember |
| 06:30.16 | Neffi | ShowUIPanel, HideUIPanel |
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| 06:30.50 | Neffi | ~framexml |
| 06:30.50 | purl | i heard framexml is Blizzard's UI for WoW. Export code/art from the client by using the wow.exe -console or open 'World of Warcraft.app' --args -console after game loads press ~ and enter commands "ExportInterfaceFiles code" and "ExportInterfaceFiles art" (must be used on login screen); or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
| 06:31.23 | Neffi | TGiFallen: See above |
| 06:31.28 | Neffi | TGiFallen: Also how they work: http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml/17538/UIParent.lua#2250 |
| 06:32.36 | TGiFallen | is exporting the frame XML any different from downloading hte package, other than I obviously don't have the interface art files from the download |
| 06:32.51 | Neffi | not really no |
| 06:32.54 | Neffi | It's the same code |
| 06:33.02 | TGiFallen | and It came to me when i was smoking, while both ShowUIPanel and HideUIPanel is correct, I wanted to find ToggleFrame |
| 06:33.11 | TGiFallen | thought so, and thank you Neffi :) |
| 06:34.28 | Neffi | ToggleFrame just calls HideUIPanel if the frame is shown, and ShowUIPanel if it's not |
| 06:34.33 | Neffi | http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml/17538/UIParent.lua#2242 |
| 06:35.00 | TGiFallen | yeah I figured it just did that, the point of it is so i can have macros show/hide the frames with relative ease in making the macro |
| 06:35.52 | Neffi | Well for certain frames, Show/HideUIPanel is correct and :Show()/:Hide() are not |
| 06:37.03 | Neffi | Show/HideUIPanel is responsible for managing side-by-side positioning and the like |
| 06:52.22 | Semlar | shows/hides neffi |
| 06:53.33 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/s1axzqQ.gif |
| 06:53.54 | Semlar | don't blink |
| 06:54.02 | Neffi | i cant stop |
| 06:54.04 | Neffi | send help |
| 06:54.23 | Semlar | you have to do it in morse code |
| 06:55.19 | Neffi | -_- |
| 06:56.39 | Semlar | MORE DOTS |
| 06:57.26 | Neffi | rolls a warlock. |
| 06:58.33 | Semlar | ..less dots |
| 06:58.37 | Semlar | STOP DOTS |
| 06:59.09 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/fyTYv.jpg (nsfw if you're a horse) |
| 06:59.48 | Semlar | why neffi |
| 07:00.08 | Trela | Meh, nothing worse than seeing it on a farm. |
| 07:00.09 | Neffi | cuz |
| 07:00.30 | Semlar | my upgrade is simming lower than what i had before :( |
| 07:02.11 | Semlar | worst upgrade ever |
| 07:02.47 | Neffi | how is that possible? |
| 07:04.20 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:04.36 | Semlar | wowhead appears to be terrible at linking comparisons |
| 07:04.40 | Cairenn | works for me |
| 07:05.04 | Semlar | everything loads except the actual item comparison |
| 07:05.29 | Cairenn | Works for me |
| 07:05.47 | Cairenn | fewyn ^^ |
| 07:06.00 | Neffi | 703 expertise and 145 haste vs 950 mastery |
| 07:06.13 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 07:06.27 | Semlar | the quarantine shoulderguards are simming higher than the set shoulders |
| 07:06.43 | Neffi | I imagine mastery > haste |
| 07:06.49 | Neffi | also maybe blue gems > red? i dunno |
| 07:06.51 | Semlar | even though they have 2 blue gems |
| 07:06.57 | Semlar | agility is by far our best stat |
| 07:07.03 | Neffi | oh rite |
| 07:07.29 | Neffi | Hey semlar |
| 07:07.35 | Semlar | but.. should my set shoulders have fewer secondary stast? |
| 07:08.07 | Neffi | maybe? |
| 07:08.30 | Semlar | something seems off |
| 07:08.56 | Neffi | the light? |
| 07:09.01 | Semlar | no |
| 07:11.39 | Semlar | i lost about 1% haste |
| 07:12.13 | Semlar | gained some crit, mastery and attack power |
| 07:12.23 | Semlar | and went down in dps |
| 07:12.35 | Semlar | so haste must be worth more than i thought |
| 07:14.53 | Semlar | or it's not being simulated very well |
| 07:15.05 | Neffi | that's a possibility |
| 07:15.09 | Neffi | a fairly strong one |
| 07:16.00 | Semlar | haste basically only affects my auto shot and cobra shot speed and a little focus regen |
| 07:16.29 | Semlar | i suppose if it could squeeze off one extra shot it could make a fairly large difference in the simulation |
| 07:18.08 | Semlar | it's possibly all within a margin of error though |
| 07:18.41 | Semlar | the main reason i wanted the shoulders was so i could replace another set piece with an offset piece |
| 07:18.52 | Semlar | and still keep my 4 set |
| 07:21.30 | zenzio | tier 4? |
| 07:22.13 | Semlar | tier 16 |
| 07:23.21 | TGiFallen | has anyone here used saved isntances? |
| 07:23.54 | zenzio | I actually miss my tier 4 gear. Should get it sometime |
| 07:27.09 | TGiFallen | with the tool tip, how can I tell if i've gotten my warforged seals on a character or not? |
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| 08:11.56 | bleeter | Priest - Mind Vision can channel while viewing the Priest's perspectiverr after switching between targets during a channel." I think I know what's meant but I'm not sure it's as clear as it could be |
| 08:12.02 | bleeter | bah |
| 08:12.13 | bleeter | hey next time someone's chatting with Sapperwix, can you please get a translation of this 'known issue'? " |
| 08:12.23 | bleeter | "Priest - Mind Vision can channel while viewing the Priest's perspectiverr after switching between targets during a channel." I think I know what's meant but I'm not sure it's as clear as it could be |
| 08:13.08 | bleeter | note: I'm not moaning about the typo in 'perspectiverr' ;) |
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| 08:21.26 | bleeter | who was it who was telling me 'scaling works fine'? "Heirloom items aren't scaling to Cataclysm item level at level 80." :P |
| 08:25.40 | nevcairiel | no, because they scale to wotlk level on 80, they scale to cata level with 81 |
| 08:27.50 | bleeter | I thought cata's the new vanilla though, thus it's broken |
| 08:28.14 | bleeter | should probably learn to read at some stage |
| 08:28.44 | Maldivia | you can survive those 40 minutes it takes to get from level 80 to 81, without them scaling to cata level :) |
| 08:28.46 | bleeter | 'there is no wotlk level' |
| 08:28.48 | nevcairiel | heirlooms behave the same for every expansion, on 60 you are still on low vanilla scores, hit 61 and the stats jump to BC levels |
| 08:29.01 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: no, they go to tbc stats at 58 |
| 08:29.12 | nevcairiel | hm, didnt notice that |
| 08:29.17 | bleeter | not broken! |
| 08:29.19 | bleeter | :P |
| 08:29.33 | nevcairiel | that depends on which level they want you to go to the new zones i guess |
| 08:30.42 | nevcairiel | ah well the vanilla to BC jump was kinda tiny, so i didnt notice |
| 08:31.14 | nevcairiel | the wotlk jump is at 68 as well, how odd |
| 08:31.28 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 08:31.30 | bleeter | wonder what other 'hidden' jumps are still there because no more xpac before MoPs |
| 08:31.38 | nevcairiel | cata jump is a really huge jump though |
| 08:31.59 | Maldivia | they just at 58, 68 and 81 |
| 08:32.14 | nevcairiel | 81 doubles the stats from 80 |
| 08:32.22 | nevcairiel | while the others just increase it slightly more then a normal level change |
| 08:32.51 | Maldivia | wotlk also introduced heroic raids, meaning a lot more item level per expansion |
| 08:33.01 | nevcairiel | makes sense i guess |
| 08:33.23 | nevcairiel | the cata zones are also not really good for going there before 80 |
| 08:33.28 | nevcairiel | while you can easily do 68 in wotlk |
| 08:33.57 | Maldivia | level 80 in hyjal takes about 40 minutes... and is easily done |
| 08:34.35 | nevcairiel | as a melee you feel really kinda weak if you go hyjal before 80, at least in my experience |
| 08:34.53 | Maldivia | I just did last week a a monk, it was a breeze |
| 08:35.13 | Maldivia | ahh, before level 80 |
| 08:35.13 | nevcairiel | maybe they changed it, or monks are just better levelers then warriors |
| 08:35.22 | nevcairiel | at 80 its ok |
| 08:35.23 | Maldivia | you're not supposed to be there before 80 :) |
| 08:35.29 | nevcairiel | that was my point :) |
| 08:35.37 | Maldivia | where as TBC is meant for level 58, and WotLK is meant for 78 |
| 08:35.38 | nevcairiel | you can easily go to nothrend with 68 |
| 08:35.44 | Maldivia | 68* |
| 08:35.54 | nevcairiel | which is why the jump is at 68 i guess |
| 08:36.14 | nevcairiel | but should not try hyjal at 79, its not ideal |
| 08:36.20 | bleeter | Hyjal is OK before 80 if you're in a group, which at xpac launch is likely. year or more later, not so... |
| 08:36.34 | Maldivia | can you even get quests there before level 80 ? |
| 08:36.37 | nevcairiel | at xpac launch you're likely to be max level |
| 08:36.44 | nevcairiel | old max level anyway |
| 08:36.53 | Maldivia | unless you're levelling a new race/class |
| 08:36.57 | nevcairiel | i guess |
| 08:37.04 | bleeter | or new toon for the xpac of old race/class |
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| 08:37.20 | nevcairiel | well no reason not to pre-level that already then :p |
| 08:37.30 | nevcairiel | unless its like cata and revamps the ld world which you want to enjoy |
| 08:37.36 | nevcairiel | s/ld/old/ |
| 08:37.46 | Maldivia | levelling is so insanely fast now though, it takes like 35 hours or so total to get from 1-90 |
| 08:38.06 | bleeter | Maldivia: dark moon faire week levelling ftw |
| 08:38.32 | nevcairiel | i started a warlock last weekend, and i only played a couple of hours in the evening and hit 60 yesterday, wonder what /played he has |
| 08:38.42 | nevcairiel | although i did idle around a bit when i was fixing an addon |
| 08:39.06 | bleeter | on the subject of DMF, I don't grok why the NPC sends you to the staging ground for the portal instead of just send you through. SOme attempt to keep a little PvP happening maybe? |
| 08:39.29 | nevcairiel | and i also wasted time learning professions |
| 08:39.31 | nevcairiel | oh well :) |
| 08:40.16 | nevcairiel | 26 hours, thats what i get for slacking |
| 08:41.00 | bleeter | and is there a bnet bound DMF rep bonus item yet for when one of your toons reaches exalted that also ports your alts directly in to DMF? ;) |
| 08:41.27 | bleeter | (2nd thought, is DMF still a rep thing... gah so much to re-read and so few useful changelogs) |
| 08:41.46 | nevcairiel | DMF is still annoying at least |
| 08:42.08 | bleeter | if timeless isle wasn't, I probably wouldn't have returned. can still be a steep learning curve for returnees |
| 08:42.32 | nevcairiel | i dunno how people get excited for timeless isle |
| 08:42.36 | bleeter | i quite like Timeless Isle, could do with some whack random questing foo |
| 08:42.38 | Maldivia | timeless isle = instant epics for alts |
| 08:42.48 | nevcairiel | thats all its reall good for |
| 08:42.57 | Mr_Rabies | timeless isle's a lot of fun for a few days at least |
| 08:42.58 | bleeter | nevcairiel: for me, (a) instant epics for alts (b) not forced to do the same freaking timeline on all the alts |
| 08:43.24 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i like the lack of focus on dailies and a focus instead on grouping and doing things |
| 08:43.28 | bleeter | for me, kinda harks back to vanilla where there was a bucketload of alternative ways to level |
| 08:43.40 | nevcairiel | i dont like focus on grouping, it requires to find a group |
| 08:43.41 | bleeter | seems to me, mostly, these days it's "Follow the plot or gtfo" |
| 08:43.57 | nevcairiel | what does timeless isle have to do with leveling |
| 08:43.57 | bleeter | nevcairiel: yeah the grouping thing's a bit sucky. actually, a lot sucky. |
| 08:44.04 | nevcairiel | or did i miss some parts of it |
| 08:44.07 | Mr_Rabies | well |
| 08:44.19 | bleeter | I'm on low pop RP realm, sometimes I'm the only one there (even tho it's coalesced). |
| 08:44.25 | Mr_Rabies | i did level an alt from 87-90 on timeless isle, but that's not exactly as designed :v |
| 08:44.31 | Mr_Rabies | and another from 88-90 there |
| 08:44.35 | bleeter | I'm all "You can have some of these freaking coins if you hire some NPC AI for me, Shaohao dude!' |
| 08:44.48 | Mr_Rabies | it's not coalesced, bleeter |
| 08:44.49 | bleeter | nevcairiel: there's levelling toon level and levelling ilvl |
| 08:44.57 | nevcairiel | oh |
| 08:44.58 | bleeter | soirry, cross-realmed |
| 08:45.09 | Mr_Rabies | it's not for NA realms at least |
| 08:45.20 | nevcairiel | maybe his realm got connected |
| 08:45.26 | Mr_Rabies | if you see a lot of people from other realms and yours are low pop |
| 08:45.37 | bleeter | nevcairiel: my mage, the last to hit 90, did it in the third zone of Pandaristan. SHe was all ivl 390 avg or maybe 410. |
| 08:45.49 | Mr_Rabies | either yeah, you're now connected to another realm, or, openraid/oqueue groups use yours to farm rares since it's dead |
| 08:45.53 | bleeter | and I was all 'fuck doing the other zones and regular dungeons and heroics... I'm off to Timeless' |
| 08:45.53 | nevcairiel | thats pretty normal bleeter |
| 08:45.58 | Mr_Rabies | probably the latter |
| 08:46.04 | nevcairiel | although personally i like doing all the zones |
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| 08:46.07 | nevcairiel | i'm weird like that |
| 08:46.17 | Mr_Rabies | i'm pretty tired of regular questing in general |
| 08:46.22 | bleeter | oh I still do them, 'coz getting a dungeon/raid as DPS can... take a bit of time |
| 08:46.27 | Mr_Rabies | early MoP pretty much killed my interest in doing quests |
| 08:46.28 | bleeter | and I'm out there gathering mats etc. anyways |
| 08:47.10 | Mr_Rabies | i think my DK was ilvl 400 or so when i hit 90, then shot to 496 in about 18 hours /played |
| 08:47.12 | nevcairiel | i did a day of dungeons last weekend to gather JPs for heirlooms, it was actually a bit entertaining |
| 08:47.22 | Mr_Rabies | still using the spear of xuen on him though :v |
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| 08:47.26 | Mr_Rabies | nothing better has dropped yet |
| 08:47.50 | Mr_Rabies | i run dungeons occasionally |
| 08:47.54 | nevcairiel | I really dislike the timeless gear though, its such bad epics |
| 08:47.56 | Mr_Rabies | i literally just chain pull everything possible |
| 08:48.01 | Mr_Rabies | bosses included, if i can |
| 08:48.13 | Mr_Rabies | just kill them while running through the dungeon |
| 08:48.27 | Mr_Rabies | how's it bad epics, nevcairiel? |
| 08:48.31 | bleeter | nevcairiel: the alternative is taking i450 PvP gear in to dungeons/raids... i'll take the trash epics |
| 08:48.41 | Mr_Rabies | they're 496 with random secondary stats |
| 08:48.59 | Mr_Rabies | they can be better or worse than equivalent gear depending on secondary stats rolled |
| 08:49.00 | nevcairiel | there is more to stat budget then just level and quality |
| 08:49.07 | nevcairiel | raid gear will always have better stat distribution |
| 08:49.11 | bleeter | a few toons have had enough tokens drop that I've burned through a few looking for the nicer random stat |
| 08:49.32 | Mr_Rabies | hmm, are you sure? other than gem slots? |
| 08:49.34 | nevcairiel | i rolled so many items to try to get a few decent ones on timeless, and it always came up in the same combinations of stats |
| 08:49.45 | Mr_Rabies | those are kind of a way to make an item higher than initial budget, depending on class |
| 08:50.00 | bleeter | but it sure helps getting trinkets and rings and stuff from lower than 496 lvl raids |
| 08:50.20 | nevcairiel | I had 482 raid gear on my druid that was simply better, short of a few points of primary stats |
| 08:50.53 | Maldivia | ofcourse they are not BiS |
| 08:51.07 | Maldivia | they are easy to get starter gear |
| 08:51.25 | Maldivia | the only pita to get is a weapon |
| 08:51.32 | nevcairiel | just saying that 496 epic doesnt tell the whole story |
| 08:51.39 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.wowhead.com/item=101783 |
| 08:51.47 | Mr_Rabies | it depends on what stats you get, but yeah |
| 08:52.01 | Mr_Rabies | raid gear has set bonuses and gem slots that this stuff doesn't have |
| 08:52.01 | Mr_Rabies | w |
| 08:52.03 | bleeter | nevcairiel: I'd still take timeless over crafted pvp any day :P |
| 08:52.06 | Mr_Rabies | which can often make it better |
| 08:52.10 | nevcairiel | not to mention that the ones with one type of stat are just always worse |
| 08:52.32 | Mr_Rabies | some do have a few gem slots, but not nearly as good as the others |
| 08:53.56 | bleeter | honestly, I think timeless is more about giving as many players as possible a bigger chance at maximising 'fun' (all the LFR they can at the 'end' of the xpac) than anything else |
| 08:54.02 | nevcairiel | luckily i still have like a full set of cloth for my new warlock, just need to hope i get a good ring and trinket drops |
| 08:54.38 | Maldivia | you can buy rings and trinkets cheap using JP, to get something to start with |
| 08:54.42 | Mr_Rabies | for comparison http://www.wowhead.com/item=89884 |
| 08:54.43 | nevcairiel | timeless stuff is OK gear to get ready for lfr, you can immediately run SoO with a full set, so thats nice |
| 08:54.51 | bleeter | harks back to what I said about BC, all that artistry and coding. it's a shame if the game itself locks people out from seeing the works in some manner or other |
| 08:56.37 | bleeter | I guess I'm just an LFR/multimode dungeon bigot so timeless is OK by me :P |
| 08:56.52 | TGiFallen | I don't blame you for hating LFR |
| 08:57.24 | Mr_Rabies | i like LFR but i do see the future of LFR removing tier sets or something |
| 08:57.27 | bleeter | TGiFallen: I hate the attitude some people take in, I love that the artists and coders still get to show off to people in there who actually care about that |
| 08:57.29 | nevcairiel | dungeons are more fun then lfr tbh, but its a good way to get gear, so meh |
| 08:57.35 | Mr_Rabies | i don't actually like running it, but i'm glad it exists |
| 08:57.54 | TGiFallen | ^ Mr_Rabies nailed it |
| 08:58.27 | TGiFallen | when i say LFR I'm not talking about the art or content and code that goes in to it, I'm talking about the toxic community of retards that exists within it |
| 08:58.55 | Mr_Rabies | i think it's not great to obligate the midrange semi-hardcore raiders to having to do lfr each tier for set bonuses |
| 08:59.07 | nevcairiel | that was a long standing problem, that they spent so much time on building the raids, and barely anyone ever saw it |
| 08:59.08 | bleeter | blizz should implement auto-account suspension for folks who join as tanks and the first words they say are 'how does this work?' |
| 08:59.12 | TGiFallen | right off the bat you have 5 or so bots, give or take a few, and sadly its the bots that do a lot of the DPS because you will also have 3-8 dps who just autoattack then alt tab for the fight |
| 08:59.26 | Mr_Rabies | thankfully i got 3 pieces of tier my first week into each of the first 3 wings of flex mode |
| 08:59.32 | Mr_Rabies | so i don't have to run lfr unless i want to |
| 08:59.57 | Mr_Rabies | and now my average ilvl is so high that anything short of a 4th piece wouldn't be worth it in lfr |
| 09:00.09 | TGiFallen | stfu about tier, I have a heroic chest, and no other tier piece, I've killed and extra rolled celestials every week to no avail |
| 09:00.27 | Mr_Rabies | bleeter |
| 09:00.34 | Mr_Rabies | i think they should have better training tools instead :p |
| 09:00.40 | Mr_Rabies | because we need more tanks, not less tanks |
| 09:00.44 | TGiFallen | I am still using heroic ToT gloves and legs for hte 2 set there, and i have heroic SoO legs and glvoes to replace them with, but i need a new tier piece! |
| 09:01.04 | TGiFallen | Does that mean i get extra love, because I'm a tank :D |
| 09:01.15 | Mr_Rabies | lfr queue is like 1 hour nowadays because tanks have a lot of responsibility and learning how to tank raids is no fun in lfr |
| 09:01.16 | Mr_Rabies | because everyone will boot you if you don't know all the fights on week #1 |
| 09:01.23 | TGiFallen | no, in reality it means i get shit all over because no one understands my job |
| 09:01.26 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies: I was going to say force 'em to watch encounter videos and read the dungeon journal while they queue but decided it's just easier to kline :P |
| 09:01.36 | Mr_Rabies | encounter videos are overrated |
| 09:01.48 | TGiFallen | reading is where it's at |
| 09:01.51 | Mr_Rabies | i haven't really watched them since the dungeon journal was added |
| 09:02.01 | Mr_Rabies | and i'm soooo glad flex exists |
| 09:02.22 | Mr_Rabies | learning all the mechanics with less fatal abilities is so much better than dungeon journal |
| 09:02.41 | Mr_Rabies | i'm a guy that loves actually learning the fights, and i learn them within an attempt or two usually |
| 09:03.36 | Mr_Rabies | i really hope we get multiguilding at some point |
| 09:03.42 | Mr_Rabies | i'd love to join a more hardcore guild for raiding |
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| 09:03.53 | Mr_Rabies | but i love my current guild socially |
| 09:03.58 | Mr_Rabies | and would never leave them |
| 09:04.27 | TGiFallen | multiguilding??? seems silly tbh |
| 09:04.32 | Mr_Rabies | unless something crazy happened, but we have a really hard time with recruitment |
| 09:04.39 | TGiFallen | just ask a heroic team to let you raid iwth them, but stay in your guild |
| 09:04.41 | bleeter | my guild left me, so I took over Guild Leader. |
| 09:04.53 | Mr_Rabies | we've recruited 3 tanks in as many weeks |
| 09:04.58 | Mr_Rabies | er, healers |
| 09:05.00 | Mr_Rabies | and all have flaked |
| 09:05.03 | TGiFallen | what are you rabies? |
| 09:05.06 | Mr_Rabies | just...don't show up at raid time |
| 09:05.16 | Mr_Rabies | feral dps, TGiFallen |
| 09:05.22 | TGiFallen | faction? |
| 09:05.26 | Mr_Rabies | alliance |
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| 09:05.45 | TGiFallen | does your guild do normals or is it flex? |
| 09:05.53 | Mr_Rabies | normals now, we're...9/14 |
| 09:05.55 | TGiFallen | because if you do flex runs, I'll tank them for you |
| 09:05.56 | TGiFallen | ahh ok |
| 09:06.15 | Mr_Rabies | i meant healer, it's getting late and my brane no worky so whale |
| 09:06.18 | TGiFallen | I'm like 560 monk tank, i have 13/13 experience from last tier |
| 09:06.22 | TGiFallen | ohh lol |
| 09:06.43 | Mr_Rabies | i love that flex is a thing |
| 09:06.46 | Mr_Rabies | and i can't wait until 6.0 |
| 09:06.52 | Mr_Rabies | we'll recruit like, 15, 20 people or wahtever |
| 09:07.00 | Mr_Rabies | and whoever shows up, shows up, we're raiding either way |
| 09:07.10 | TGiFallen | yeah i look forward to that too |
| 09:07.11 | Mr_Rabies | and hopefully we'll be merged with 3 or 4 realms by then so we have a decent pool |
| 09:07.25 | TGiFallen | i'll be starting a new team, wanna have about 21-25 people, |
| 09:07.33 | TGiFallen | to do heroics and mythic |
| 09:07.37 | Mr_Rabies | instead of recruiting for literally an hour for a healer for malkorok->thok or so with no bites |
| 09:07.49 | TGiFallen | i hope the devs take the suggestion that they make new raids 10-30 |
| 09:08.01 | Mr_Rabies | and then recruiting all week for a permanent or semiperm spot |
| 09:08.07 | Mr_Rabies | to have our healer just flake |
| 09:08.32 | Mr_Rabies | why 10-30, TGiFallen? |
| 09:08.42 | Mr_Rabies | seems a bit arbitrary, not that 25 is any less so |
| 09:08.55 | nevcairiel | someone asked at the con why they dont allow bigger sizes then 25 with the new flex scaling |
| 09:09.08 | TGiFallen | the reasoning was you can raise a mythic team (20) and also have that mythic team raid with a 10 man team in heroics |
| 09:09.13 | nevcairiel | they said 40 is too big, you run into other problems then, but 30 may be a possibility |
| 09:09.27 | TGiFallen | lots of guilds have multiple 10 man teams |
| 09:09.32 | Mr_Rabies | you still sorta can |
| 09:09.45 | nevcairiel | 10 man teams will be useless in WoD, so i dont think that concept will hold up much |
| 09:09.47 | Mr_Rabies | just have the mythic team grab whoever wants to go and run heroics too |
| 09:09.55 | TGiFallen | and not everyone wants to raid mythic, but you can get a big group of all your raiders and knock out some easyish content, then have the more hardcore raiders do mythic |
| 09:10.04 | Mr_Rabies | the problem with more than 25 |
| 09:10.13 | TGiFallen | AAND you can also skim from the 10 man pool if some of your mythic raiders are missing that night |
| 09:10.16 | Mr_Rabies | is you have either huge clusterfuckery or GIANT raid rooms |
| 09:10.25 | Mr_Rabies | which seem weird and giant for 10 man raids |
| 09:10.30 | nevcairiel | thats why they dont want 40 Mr_Rabies |
| 09:10.35 | nevcairiel | but maybe they'll allow 30 |
| 09:10.36 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, exactly |
| 09:10.42 | Mr_Rabies | 30's still close ENOUGH to 10 |
| 09:10.53 | TGiFallen | seems like we are all arguing about a point we agree on??? |
| 09:11.06 | nevcairiel | I dont really care either way |
| 09:11.06 | TGiFallen | nev, did you make libstub? |
| 09:11.13 | Mr_Rabies | i disagree, i think we're all arguing about a point we agree on |
| 09:11.18 | nevcairiel | I took part in its creation, it was a group effort |
| 09:11.47 | TGiFallen | i've looked through it, and one confusing thing to me is, are libraries supposed to have backwards compatibility? |
| 09:12.21 | TGiFallen | I.E your addon uses library 1.1 but all that's installed is 1.2, is 1.2 supposed to be backwards compatible to 1.1? |
| 09:12.24 | nevcairiel | usually yes, if you need to break compat, you should increase the major version |
| 09:13.10 | TGiFallen | ok that's what i thought/hoped for, thank you. |
| 09:13.33 | nevcairiel | in the end its up to the author, but thats the overall idea |
| 09:16.08 | Mr_Rabies | i feel like a jerk for saying this, but i really hope our connection to arygos will lead to good players being open for recruitment in some way or another |
| 09:16.41 | Mr_Rabies | because i'm getting tired of having to scrape the bottom of the barrel for raiders :| |
| 09:17.21 | Mr_Rabies | we're replacing our recently recruited hunter, trying to find a new healer, etc |
| 09:18.18 | nevcairiel | i hope i can find some decent normal/heroic raiding for WoD, not sure its likely a casual-mythic raid will find me :p |
| 09:18.22 | Mr_Rabies | new hunter constantly complains because we ask him to give us spell haste instead of melee haste, he gets way too drunk during raids and it eventually begins to impact performance :| |
| 09:18.43 | Mr_Rabies | we'll probably do normal for a week as a raid team, then move to heroic |
| 09:18.54 | Mr_Rabies | or if they do gated opening for normal, we'll do heroic earlier |
| 09:19.11 | Mr_Rabies | and while we're clearing that we'll be recruiting for a solid 20 man team |
| 09:19.14 | Mr_Rabies | but i don't see it happening |
| 09:19.37 | TGiFallen | rabies, funny enough you should mention arygos |
| 09:19.44 | TGiFallen | My main is on arygos |
| 09:19.56 | Mr_Rabies | alliance? |
| 09:19.59 | TGiFallen | yes |
| 09:20.06 | Mr_Rabies | welll sheeeeit |
| 09:20.09 | Mr_Rabies | i'm on llane |
| 09:20.17 | Mr_Rabies | we're connecting monday, theoretically |
| 09:20.20 | TGiFallen | ahh nice, when are they getting linked |
| 09:20.24 | TGiFallen | coool |
| 09:20.34 | TGiFallen | but from the sound of it, you guys dont need a tank? |
| 09:20.40 | Mr_Rabies | not currently |
| 09:20.52 | Mr_Rabies | we have a newish tank that's...okay |
| 09:21.21 | Mr_Rabies | he takes long breaks and gets worse through the night some nights, but his name miiiiiiiiight be an overt marijuana reference so that could explain it |
| 09:21.23 | TGiFallen | ahh lol, what class are your tanks |
| 09:21.34 | Mr_Rabies | currently DK and Pally |
| 09:22.11 | Mr_Rabies | he's fun to tank with on dark shamans |
| 09:22.16 | Mr_Rabies | we 3 tank it and i'm the 3rd tank |
| 09:22.28 | TGiFallen | yeah we had to 3 tank heroic 25 man shamans too |
| 09:22.29 | Mr_Rabies | we tank in garrosh's room, good times |
| 09:22.33 | TGiFallen | im assuming ur a 25 man team? |
| 09:22.38 | Mr_Rabies | 10, for now |
| 09:22.47 | Mr_Rabies | not enough people on the realm for a real solid 25 team |
| 09:22.53 | TGiFallen | nice, guys i need help, like 5 minutes ago i had the proper symbols, but when i use ? it comes out as some accented E |
| 09:23.01 | TGiFallen | and now it works ??:<>::<"? |
| 09:23.09 | TGiFallen | now i look dumb |
| 09:23.12 | Mr_Rabies | hmm |
| 09:23.17 | nevcairiel | all i see is question marks |
| 09:23.28 | Mr_Rabies | what OS do you use? |
| 09:23.35 | TGiFallen | yeah they are question marks for me too |
| 09:24.06 | TGiFallen | Win 7, I am in canada so it may have to do with locale setting, however my keyboard is set to US english |
| 09:24.43 | TGiFallen | I only changed something with locale so i got a proper date display in the form of DD/MM/YYYY in the bottom right of my computer |
| 09:25.10 | TGiFallen | but earlier, the question mark was an E with an accent goo |
| 09:25.28 | Mr_Rabies | it sounds like you might have turned on IME somehow |
| 09:25.35 | TGiFallen | IME? |
| 09:26.21 | Mr_Rabies | input method editor is what it stands for, apparently |
| 09:26.33 | Mr_Rabies | basically, the keyboard may have switched to international english for some reason? |
| 09:26.44 | TGiFallen | Yeah i think that happened |
| 09:27.08 | Mr_Rabies | if you remove it from your language settings as a keyboard option it shouldn't happen, i thiiiiink |
| 09:27.14 | Maldivia | did you press the lefthand shift+alt? |
| 09:27.29 | Mr_Rabies | it may be added by default for canuckistan |
| 09:28.26 | TGiFallen | I'm trying that combo now Maldivia, and nothing is happening, However I am in my input methods and it goes Keyboards: US then Canadian French then Candian Multiligual, So i have removed them |
| 09:28.28 | TGiFallen | thank you all |
| 09:28.41 | Mr_Rabies | aha! |
| 09:28.53 | Mr_Rabies | you probably did whatever keyboard shortcut it is to swap between them |
| 09:29.16 | TGiFallen | yeah i think so, and then accidently did it to swap back, and it was the mulilingual keyboard i'd switched to http://puu.sh/5pMhp.png |
| 09:30.06 | TGiFallen | did you get my pm rabies? |
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| 09:30.32 | Mr_Rabies | yup, added you |
| 09:30.42 | karl_w_w | that is weird |
| 09:30.57 | karl_w_w | i forgot which plug on my front panel is mic and which is headphones |
| 09:30.57 | Silvanas | good morning |
| 09:31.00 | Mr_Rabies | remind me who you are again so i can add a bnet note (or is that prat, i can't remember what the note on friends comes from) |
| 09:31.25 | TGiFallen | the bnet note is where friend notes gets it's grouping |
| 09:31.26 | Mr_Rabies | when you accept the invite, that is, TGiFallen |
| 09:31.33 | TGiFallen | morning silvanas |
| 09:31.43 | TGiFallen | ill go do it now rabies, but i need to go to bed soonish |
| 09:32.14 | TGiFallen | seeing how you use friend notes aswell rabies, did you end up making some quick lua to group OQueue friends? |
| 09:32.58 | Mr_Rabies | i'm pretty much useless at lua or coding anything for that matter |
| 09:33.25 | Mr_Rabies | i mostly hang around here to pester addon developers and tell them to convert their addons to ace and "update plz" |
| 09:33.57 | karl_w_w | you can be useless at lua and still make addons, trust me |
| 09:34.09 | TGiFallen | rofl |
| 09:35.03 | TGiFallen | I feel like such a smartass atm, In a debate on the wow subreddit about DK lore or someshit, and someone is like "define dead, is that like 100% frozen with guts hanging out" and all i replied was "dead: no longer living" |
| 09:36.50 | karl_w_w | here's a question: why are there no non-monk pandaren NPCs? |
| 09:37.04 | TGiFallen | yalia sagewhisper |
| 09:37.05 | TGiFallen | a mage |
| 09:37.12 | TGiFallen | he softfoot, a rogue |
| 09:37.32 | karl_w_w | guess it wasn't a question at all! |
| 09:37.41 | TGiFallen | that other rogue female who doesn't die and is a big part of the Isle of Thunder quests (alliance atleast) |
| 09:37.59 | TGiFallen | sun tenderheart is a priest |
| 09:38.26 | karl_w_w | still doesnt seem like many |
| 09:38.33 | TGiFallen | damn that bugs me now that i can't remmeber her name, she's one of the shado-pan that can be your helper for hte dailies |
| 09:38.54 | Silvanas | idoes anyone know if SendAddonMessage can send tru officer channel? wowpedia doesnt list it but wowprogramming does.. |
| 09:39.27 | TGiFallen | So i'm guessing you guys don't use officer channel for anything in your guild :P |
| 09:39.36 | TGiFallen | is there a limit to the amount of channels you can be in? |
| 09:40.37 | Silvanas | we do use officer channel ,but i am not an officer :D |
| 09:43.48 | Silvanas | and yes you can only be in 10 custom channelsd |
| 09:44.51 | Silvanas | but ofcourse i was talking about the hidden addon officer channel, not the normal visiale one :D |
| 09:46.12 | TGiFallen | ohh i see |
| 09:47.15 | TGiFallen | is there a limit to the battle net conversations you can be in? or do they count as channels? |
| 09:47.21 | Silvanas | i am just not sure if the hidden addon officer channel exist at all :D |
| 09:47.43 | Silvanas | battle.net conversations count as whispers |
| 09:47.54 | Silvanas | so unlimited |
| 09:48.02 | Mr_Rabies | even the other classes of pandaren are still super monk-y karl_w_w |
| 09:48.07 | TGiFallen | even the multi person conversations? |
| 09:48.09 | Mr_Rabies | it's just part of their culture |
| 09:48.32 | Silvanas | TGiFallen: yes |
| 09:48.37 | TGiFallen | sorry if im asking obvious questions lol, thanks |
| 09:48.44 | Mr_Rabies | the staff was their weapon when they overthrew the mogu, so monks are pretty big there |
| 09:48.55 | Mr_Rabies | or rather |
| 09:48.57 | Mr_Rabies | their fists, or something |
| 09:49.01 | Mr_Rabies | been a while since i did the quest |
| 09:49.03 | Mr_Rabies | :| |
| 09:49.16 | TGiFallen | I have one last question for you however. in A lot of addons, right on the first line of hte first file you see something similar to this "local TSM = select(2, ...)" what's that all about |
| 09:49.26 | Mr_Rabies | so even the priests, etc are pretty much trained as monks are, as i understand it |
| 09:49.36 | TGiFallen | Like, I get what that's doing, but why? why is wow passing multiple arguements into an addon? |
| 09:49.54 | TGiFallen | that's why a pandaren racial is the paralyzing hand strike thing |
| 09:52.02 | nevcairiel | wow passes the addon name and a addon table into the addon |
| 09:52.15 | nevcairiel | so some addons use that table to store their stuff |
| 09:52.33 | TGiFallen | is the addon table populated with anything? (other than it's name? lol.) |
| 09:52.42 | nevcairiel | no, its completely empty |
| 09:52.48 | nevcairiel | you can just use it for private storage |
| 09:53.04 | Silvanas | TGiFallen: i havent seen that what you are talking about so i dontk now. but addons work with frames, and whenever a frame receives and event the first parameter is the frame itzelf, like i was was listing to "EVENT_VARIABLES_LOADED" i would want to know the event not the frame so i would have to select the 2nd parameter |
| 09:54.37 | Silvanas | newcairiel: intresting probely a new style that i have missed |
| 09:54.43 | TGiFallen | lol you really didn't read what i said, thanks though, nev answered me. To sum it up if you are curious, I was asking why wow passed arguments to addon files |
| 09:55.02 | TGiFallen | also nev, does wow pass the same arguments to every file in the addon? |
| 09:55.13 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 09:55.38 | Silvanas | didnt even know wow passed arguments to addon files \o/ :D |
| 09:56.18 | TGiFallen | Ahh i see, thanks for clarifying that, but to me it seems kind of odd wanting to/having the ability to hide any and all data in an addon from the global table/other addons |
| 09:56.44 | TGiFallen | yeah Silvanas, Lua treats lua files as a function, so they are callable with arguments |
| 09:57.21 | Silvanas | preferable i try add as little global data as possiable, think about you make a function called OnEvent, and an other addon does the same, then only one of those two functions wil remain |
| 09:57.41 | Silvanas | unless you want to prefix all your code with specific prefixes :D |
| 09:57.47 | TGiFallen | yeah but you'd have to be pretty silly to assume your function is hte only function |
| 09:58.08 | Silvanas | laos variables in local space are laoded faster then globals |
| 09:58.16 | TGiFallen | or you can just put all your functions inside a table, for my private addons they all add to/take from TGiLib |
| 09:58.53 | TGiFallen | correct, but the access time difference between global and local really only matters if you are calling a global function every frame |
| 09:59.26 | Silvanas | yeh |
| 09:59.58 | Silvanas | well i am used to write object orientated, and i am also used to hide anything that no other object should be bothered with |
| 10:00.26 | Silvanas | but i never know addons had a private table, i always write lots of local variables / functions in my addon files :D |
| 10:01.34 | TGiFallen | well with Lua, OO is just a table you are abusing |
| 10:02.19 | TGiFallen | which i do with my addons aswell, everything exists within the TGiLib table, and the TGiLib table itself is actually a base class, that I use to inherit from for all the other classes I use |
| 10:03.16 | Silvanas | intresting |
| 10:06.58 | Silvanas | i moved away from putting everything inside the table, i have a C# background, so i started to think about making some local functions inside the same file as table and call those from within the table, this way if i make mutiple instances of the table, there still only be one instance of that function |
| 10:07.06 | Silvanas | kina like static functuins |
| 10:07.18 | Silvanas | but thats how it works in my mind, probely wont work in reality :D |
| 10:07.27 | TGiFallen | if you make multiple instance of the table, there will still be one instance of the function |
| 10:07.31 | TGiFallen | its a reference |
| 10:07.33 | TGiFallen | wait |
| 10:07.38 | TGiFallen | it's a pointer, not a reference |
| 10:09.00 | TGiFallen | i probably still got that messed up, but w/e long story short is Lua isn't going to create a whole new function with new locals and new upvalues and all that jazz, it's just gonna redirect you to the other function |
| 10:09.37 | karl_w_w | wow the mass effect 3 graphics options are pretty damn sparse |
| 10:09.39 | karl_w_w | there's resolution, window mode, anti-aliasing on/off, and that's about it |
| 10:09.39 | Silvanas | i was getting the idea that functions and just like variables to lua, so that if you declare some functions in your :New() constructor method of your table, that they ill be created and only be visable within the scope of that constructor |
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| 10:10.06 | karl_w_w | but hey, proper anti-aliasing is still a step-up from ME2 |
| 10:10.51 | Silvanas | oke, that makes more sence indeed |
| 10:11.19 | TGiFallen | we are talking about :New and not __new, right? |
| 10:12.00 | Silvanas | yes i was talking about whatever constructor method you use to create your table instance |
| 10:12.14 | TGiFallen | well, silvanas if you do "function test() local hivar = "hi" end" then yes, 'hivar' will be inaccessable from anywhere else but the function |
| 10:12.53 | TGiFallen | but i you do "local hivar; function test() hivar = "hi" end" then 'hivar' will be acessable anywhere else in the same file, because it's an upvalue |
| 10:13.14 | TGiFallen | you know what the metamethods are silvanas? |
| 10:14.17 | Silvanas | yep :D |
| 10:14.25 | TGiFallen | because with my classes, they all inherit from a base, which has stuff like Class:RegisterEvent(), and with metamethods, it first checks on the very class table for the function, and if it doesn't get anything then it checks the base class table for the function |
| 10:14.28 | TGiFallen | __index |
| 10:14.51 | Silvanas | i know a lot about lua, else i would not be worring about such technical detials as to where functions get declared twice |
| 10:15.38 | Silvanas | yes you can inherit functions and variables |
| 10:15.45 | TGiFallen | makes sense, I wasn't trying to belittle you or anything, I just wanted to make sure I didn't lose you somewhere along the way of my ramblings |
| 10:17.01 | TGiFallen | but anyways, you ever try to print(functionname) and you get out "Function:0xDEADBEEF" well yeah that's the memory address for it AFAIK |
| 10:20.06 | Silvanas | yeh membery adress didnt think about trying that out, but here is an example of what i meant: http://pastebin.com/WEwNmQsQ |
| 10:20.33 | Silvanas | i fear that in that exanple the function toInt() is created twice unless i move it to a lower function outside the table\ |
| 10:20.50 | Silvanas | *local |
| 10:21.58 | TGiFallen | well, other than like, missing a bunch of parameters to your functions, that's perfectly good code, toInt is only created once, and then used multiple times by the different classes |
| 10:22.55 | Silvanas | so the function is only created once but it does know it has to use different values for the variable "hex" oke then lua is better then i though :D |
| 10:23.48 | TGiFallen | well i was just assuming that this is pseudocode so therefore it wasn't rigorously checked and therefore you forgot the 'hex' parameter in the definition for toInt |
| 10:23.56 | Silvanas | ( i know i made a mistake in that example becase toInt isnt a member of the instace table \o/ :D |
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| 10:24.23 | TGiFallen | yeah well hold on here, my 5:30 am brain isn't thinking straight |
| 10:24.34 | TGiFallen | i take it back |
| 10:24.37 | Silvanas | the hex paramter wasnt forgotten, it inhered from the the function New() |
| 10:24.55 | TGiFallen | in this case, you would be creating a new toInt and AsNumber function each time you ran it |
| 10:25.08 | TGiFallen | but this isn't how you normally define classes, is it? |
| 10:25.47 | Silvanas | well in my case it is :D |
| 10:26.19 | TGiFallen | can I perhaps suggest a (in my opinion) easier/more efficient and pretty way of doing it? |
| 10:26.58 | Silvanas | ficed version: http://pastebin.com/wUK1LVbn |
| 10:27.05 | Silvanas | oke sure |
| 10:31.52 | TGiFallen | http://pastebin.com/TXLP041Z |
| 10:31.54 | TGiFallen | sorry for time |
| 10:33.29 | TGiFallen | brb smoke, ask me anything about the example there haha |
| 10:34.41 | Mr_Rabies | i know some of these words |
| 10:38.09 | bleeter | Cairenn (and other subjects of the various realms of ERII) http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-22/governor-general-quentin-bryce-backs-gay-marriage-republicanism/5112020 |
| 10:38.24 | Cairenn | god |
| 10:38.26 | Cairenn | good* |
| 10:38.57 | bleeter | chuck's views are fairly well known on both topics, doubt our GG would make such statements without ERII approval, at least. |
| 10:39.20 | Cairenn | nod |
| 10:39.24 | bleeter | which makes it all the more hilarious as the crowd who are anti those things are pro-monarchy |
| 10:39.27 | bleeter | such lulz |
| 10:42.43 | Silvanas | TGiFallen: looks okish, i dont see why you store cls.base and cla.initialise becase you already have those in the scope of the function, and if you do have a base class then your setting the meta table of cls twice |
| 10:44.23 | TGiFallen | cls.initialise is the initialiser function, it gets called when an instance of the class is created. and yes i am setting hte metatable of cls twice, for no good reason because i went through a lot of versions of that function before i got one i wanted |
| 10:44.55 | TGiFallen | but it's 5:40 AM here, tomorrow i'll go through it and organize it so it makes more sense |
| 10:46.52 | TGiFallen | and cls.Initialize gets stored because that function can change after you call "Class" |
| 10:49.09 | TGiFallen | But i need to go to bed, goodnight everyone |
| 10:49.16 | Silvanas | nite |
| 10:51.15 | bleeter | gnite TGiFallen rest well |
| 10:56.06 | Sintacks | huggles Cairenn |
| 10:56.12 | Cairenn | :) |
| 10:56.14 | Cairenn | *hug* |
| 10:57.21 | Silvanas | so back to my original question, does anyone know if SendAddonMessage can send to "OFFICER"? wowpedia doesnt list it but wowprogramming does.. |
| 10:57.40 | bleeter | Silvanas: what happens when you try it? |
| 10:57.42 | Sintacks | yes |
| 10:57.57 | Sintacks | that's how EPGPLootMaster can be setup |
| 10:59.24 | Sintacks | though i'm not 100% sure ... |
| 10:59.31 | Sintacks | i guess i could get on my bank alt and test... |
| 10:59.34 | Sintacks | but .. TV |
| 10:59.36 | Sintacks | .. |
| 10:59.38 | Sintacks | DOTS |
| 11:00.11 | Cairenn | ....... |
| 11:00.14 | Silvanas | cant try it as i am not officer :D |
| 11:00.14 | Cairenn | MORE DOTS |
| 11:00.31 | Silvanas | oh wait i do have an alt somewhere with its own guild :D |
| 11:00.52 | Silvanas | gues i can try it whne i get home in 6 hours |
| 11:01.28 | Sintacks | i'm testing now |
| 11:01.38 | Sintacks | after i get logged into both toons nad invite myself |
| 11:05.32 | Sintacks | why am i even testing this... |
| 11:05.35 | Sintacks | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/SendAddonMessage |
| 11:05.40 | Sintacks | it even says officer |
| 11:07.15 | Silvanas | yes it does not wowwiki / wowpedia dont list it an option, thats why i began to doubt it |
| 11:07.43 | Silvanas | s/not/but |
| 11:07.54 | Silvanas | meh i am not good in perl |
| 11:10.11 | Sintacks | hmm |
| 11:10.29 | Sintacks | i thought they dumped the having to register a prefix to recieve it... |
| 11:19.15 | nebula169 | eh? can send them using any standard chat target, so officer should work |
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| 11:23.39 | Sintacks | yes, it works, btw |
| 11:23.41 | Sintacks | i tested it. |
| 11:24.09 | Sintacks | and then i started looking at Spamalyzer's prefixes list >. |
| 11:24.13 | Sintacks | >.> |
| 12:02.56 | Silvanas | sending without registering does work |
| 12:03.55 | Silvanas | thanks for testing it for me |
| 12:07.44 | Sintacks | sending without registering does, yes. but you won't get a reply without registering |
| 12:09.19 | Silvanas | i do on all my addons :D |
| 12:09.29 | Silvanas | without registering |
| 12:09.41 | Sintacks | wat |
| 12:10.05 | Sintacks | i sent a message in guild on one client. sent one back on the second client. didn't see the one i sent back. |
| 12:10.10 | Sintacks | until i registered the prefix |
| 12:10.53 | Silvanas | did you already register for a different prefix? since maybe if no prefix is registered all messages are recieved? |
| 12:11.59 | Sintacks | that's not how it works |
| 12:12.41 | Silvanas | well dunno why i get messages from all addons, like decursive, CTRA, dbm, dkp. i see all messages in my CHAT_MESSAGE_ADDON event |
| 12:12.50 | Sintacks | have you registered for more than 64? |
| 12:13.17 | Silvanas | my addon has registered for noone. i dont register any of my addons |
| 12:13.38 | Sintacks | o.O |
| 12:13.43 | Silvanas | as far as i know the Register functuin was disabled in a hotfix but never reimplemented :D |
| 12:13.48 | Silvanas | so i never bothered with it |
| 12:16.41 | Sintacks | weird |
| 12:16.49 | Sintacks | cuz i had thought they had dumped it too |
| 12:16.49 | Silvanas | yes indeed |
| 12:17.46 | Sintacks | but when i was testing, i had two clients. SendAddonMessage("testaddon","i like cake","OFFICER") Spamalyser picked up me sending it. on the second client (who has access to ochat) did the same. i never recieved it on the first client. until after i registered for the prefix |
| 12:20.45 | Silvanas | so both had acces to the officer chat? |
| 12:20.53 | Sintacks | yes |
| 12:21.09 | Silvanas | since essentaily you should be able to test it with only 1 client as you also recieve your own messages back |
| 12:21.25 | Silvanas | i never test with 2 clients, i only use 1 |
| 12:21.45 | Sintacks | so you don't know for sure that you are actually getting those messages back |
| 12:23.06 | Silvanas | well i do get them bakc on the same client + messages from other addons such as decusrive , ctra and recount |
| 12:23.19 | Silvanas | i am not sure if they are acutaly received by other client tho :D |
| 12:23.45 | Silvanas | i assumed that if i would get them back myzelf, that the sending \ received worked correctly |
| 12:24.09 | Sintacks | i bet its' more so, that you are sending it, but you aren't recieving it, so you seee it anyway... |
| 12:24.11 | Sintacks | or something. |
| 12:24.59 | Silvanas | maybe, CHAT_MESSAGE_ADDON does fire for it after i did the SendAddonMessage() |
| 12:25.55 | Silvanas | but even so i have an addon that does work, and iv seen other players also use it perfectly, and iut doesnt register any prefixes |
| 12:27.02 | Sintacks | I'll test again in aanother way after i get out of this dungeon |
| 12:27.12 | Silvanas | oke |
| 12:28.05 | Silvanas | maybe its something weird, like you need to register for the officer channel :D |
| 12:28.19 | Sintacks | i tried the guild channel as well |
| 12:28.35 | Silvanas | :/ well wierd then |
| 12:28.53 | Sintacks | maybe spamalyzer only monitors regisrered prefixes (even though it used to not, cuz they didn't exist...) |
| 12:30.38 | Silvanas | i personaly dont use external addons to anylaise it, i just print out the prefix + message that i receive in CHAT_MESSAGE_ADDON |
| 12:31.40 | Sintacks | that's pretty much what this part of spamalyzer is supposed to do |
| 12:32.44 | Sintacks | i keep typoing my password when i don't try to use the caps that I thought mattered... |
| 12:33.14 | Sintacks | reloading UI sho0uld clear any regisred prefixes right... |
| 12:33.19 | Sintacks | actually maybe not |
| 12:33.25 | Sintacks | i guess i'll reload |
| 12:33.27 | Sintacks | relog* |
| 12:33.56 | Silvanas | iv no idea what clears registered prefixes :D as i dont use them |
| 12:34.47 | Sintacks | there isn't a method to do so. lol |
| 12:35.02 | Sintacks | a blue even said that when someone asked if there would be a way to do so and they saw no need for it |
| 12:35.29 | Sintacks | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2228413591?page=2#23 |
| 12:35.31 | Sintacks | this post being that post |
| 12:37.50 | Silvanas | lol "is not intended that an add-on would purposefully hit the soft cap in order to get "old functionality"" |
| 12:37.58 | Sintacks | lol |
| 12:38.25 | Sintacks | spamalyzer has some debug code (commented out) that does just that >.> |
| 12:39.07 | Silvanas | heh |
| 12:40.20 | Sintacks | blah. you have simple code to print chat_msg_addon to chat? |
| 12:40.31 | Sintacks | cuz i'll mess it up 4 or 5 times if i make it. lol |
| 12:41.11 | Silvanas | @work atm so dont have direct acces to my addons |
| 12:41.39 | Silvanas | should be DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(prefix ..": ".. message) |
| 12:42.01 | Sintacks | k. brb |
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| 13:03.08 | Sintacks | weird... |
| 13:03.15 | Sintacks | /run SendAddonMessage("D4","lol","GUILD") |
| 13:03.21 | Sintacks | i got that twice on the recieving client |
| 13:03.36 | Sintacks | in this script at least... but only once with spamalyzer |
| 13:03.39 | Silvanas | yep thats wird :D |
| 13:04.03 | Sintacks | /run SendAddonMessage("testaddon1","lol","GUILD") |
| 13:04.07 | Sintacks | didn't get that at all on second client |
| 13:04.37 | Sintacks | even after doing it on both clients, i didn't get it |
| 13:05.35 | Sintacks | I used D4 in the first, becaues I know it's regisred, because that's dbm's prefix |
| 13:07.38 | Silvanas | hmm.... |
| 13:08.24 | Sintacks | yeah. i'm not getting the message until i register is |
| 13:08.46 | Silvanas | i used XXXTESTXXX and it seemed to work, i doubt any addon had registred that |
| 13:08.52 | Sintacks | lol |
| 13:09.00 | Silvanas | ./shrug |
| 13:09.04 | Sintacks | EU or US? |
| 13:09.26 | Silvanas | EU |
| 13:10.06 | Sintacks | damn. can't test more when you get home. lol |
| 13:10.41 | Silvanas | ill play around with it tonite, and see |
| 13:10.45 | Sintacks | you sure you don't have 65+ prefixes registered. =p |
| 13:10.55 | Sintacks | I'm honestly supprised i don't with out many addons i have |
| 13:11.21 | Sintacks | I also tested that, and hitting 65+ does disable filtering |
| 13:12.01 | Silvanas | well maybe i do ol, i didnt so it myzelf but maybe some addon did it.., or all my addons together did |
| 13:12.15 | Silvanas | is that limit per addon or per client ? |
| 13:12.46 | Sintacks | it's more per server. if you register more than 64 prefixes, the server no longer filters them and sends you everything |
| 13:12.56 | Sintacks | there is still a hardcap on the client of 512 though. |
| 13:13.12 | Sintacks | but if you think about it: how is there going to be a hardcap if you hit the softcap and get anything anyway ... |
| 13:14.09 | Silvanas | well iu think if you register beyong the hardcap the regsiter function just throws and error |
| 13:14.29 | Sintacks | we never got a clear answer on that one. lol. just that it won't do anything. |
| 13:14.45 | Silvanas | so you sohould probely register with pcall() so that if it fails our addons still loads and you still get the messages :D |
| 13:15.56 | Sintacks | lol @ commenting out a comment block ... so it uncomments the block of code... |
| 13:16.01 | Sintacks | that was a confusing sentance |
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| 13:17.48 | Sintacks | a pro version o0f Shirik... what's the difference? |
| 13:18.55 | Silvanas | ill run GetRegisteredAddonMessagePrefixes tonite to see howm uch i realy got registered :D |
| 13:19.11 | Sintacks | oh. there's a fucntion for that. i didn't see it |
| 13:19.11 | Fisker | ShirikPro is a fraud |
| 13:19.49 | Sintacks | blah. it only prints teh prefixes. i wanted a number :( |
| 13:20.28 | Silvanas | yeh so loop over it and count the prefixes :D |
| 13:20.37 | Sintacks | I have 88 (including 65 debug ones) |
| 13:22.18 | Sintacks | 21:17|[F][Blizzarg]: To celebrate WoW's 9th anniversary ,Free to receive < 5000 gold And Enchanted Fey Dragon > , please visit: [snip] |
| 13:22.24 | Silvanas | so your client is now on "old functionality" ? |
| 13:22.29 | Sintacks | I won less than 5000 gold, and more than a comma |
| 13:22.34 | Sintacks | yes, Silvanas |
| 13:22.40 | Sintacks | /run SendAddonMessage("Cake","Do you like cake?","GUILD") |
| 13:22.42 | Sintacks | i recieved that |
| 13:22.50 | Sintacks | and Cake is not in the list of regisred events. lol |
| 13:23.20 | Silvanas | oke then maybe i do have a lot of prefixes tregistered secrelty :D |
| 13:23.25 | Sintacks | lol |
| 13:24.00 | Silvanas | are you US? |
| 13:24.01 | Sintacks | yes |
| 13:24.19 | Silvanas | then it mgiht also only be enabled in US |
| 13:24.21 | Sintacks | Or, hell, it could very well be omething the US servers do that the EU don't |
| 13:24.29 | Silvanas | else prism cant handle the number of messages |
| 13:24.33 | Sintacks | I don't have an EU liecens :( |
| 13:24.37 | Sintacks | lolol |
| 13:26.35 | Silvanas | grats on the gold btw |
| 13:31.12 | g0urra | god I fucking hate playing paladin |
| 13:31.23 | Silvanas | then rerlol |
| 13:31.40 | g0urra | can't, it's the daily |
| 13:33.04 | Sintacks | oo |
| 13:33.06 | Sintacks | dat |
| 13:33.07 | Sintacks | yeah |
| 13:33.14 | Sintacks | i wish you could abandon quests |
| 13:33.18 | Sintacks | that's my biggest problem |
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| 13:35.13 | Sintacks | intersting. this bit of print code even prints failed SendAddonMessage calls |
| 13:35.25 | Sintacks | failed, because either target doesn't exist, o ryou aren't in a guild |
| 13:36.22 | Sintacks | what is this shit... i've had a dungeon queue pop 5 times. 3 dps missed it. tank and healer declined the last and idk what happened on the other one |
| 13:36.49 | Sintacks | and another ... |
| 13:38.24 | g0urra | 5 games, 1 win with paladin |
| 13:39.00 | g0urra | they have the shittiest hero power of all |
| 13:39.15 | Sintacks | pretty much |
| 13:39.26 | Sintacks | it wouldn't be any where nearly as bad, if tehy came out with charge |
| 13:39.29 | Sintacks | or if they just weren't asleep |
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| 13:42.46 | Fisker | hah Lopeppeppy it's weekend |
| 13:43.59 | g0urra | yay 1 win with my custom deck |
| 13:44.17 | g0urra | blessing of kings + random other +attack cards ftw |
| 13:46.26 | Lopeppeppy | No no no not the weekend yet! No fair this whole timezone thing, Fisker cheats. |
| 13:46.39 | Fisker | \o/ |
| 13:46.47 | Fisker | bluIRCCloudCow is a bigger cheater though |
| 13:47.06 | haste | Lopeppeppy: Fisker is telling lies! |
| 13:47.31 | Fisker | nope! |
| 13:47.58 | Sintacks | weird... the print script stopped working on the second client. |
| 13:48.17 | Silvanas | buy a new client? |
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| 13:49.55 | Sintacks | lol |
| 13:50.03 | Sintacks | maybe it didn't stop working. |
| 13:50.10 | Sintacks | i'm not even gettin things after making sure it worked. |
| 13:50.16 | Sintacks | OHHH |
| 13:50.17 | Sintacks | I KNOW WHY |
| 13:50.25 | Sintacks | cuz this addon is so old that it doesn't have the registration part |
| 13:50.36 | Sintacks | and i didn't have the debug softcap limit on this client |
| 13:50.59 | Sintacks | that explains why my GM never got the list of what i had done in the gbank |
| 13:52.39 | Silvanas | oke so the register addon prefix surely seems to be in affect on US servers |
| 13:52.49 | Silvanas | i realy got to try this whne i get home :D |
| 13:53.22 | Sintacks | yes, it is. |
| 13:53.29 | g0urra | fucking murloc armies |
| 13:53.39 | Sintacks | highlight me when you get home cuz i'm interested to know if it's disabled on EU servers |
| 13:54.05 | Silvanas | yeah me2 or if i just have to many messages regirstered :D |
| 13:56.04 | Sintacks | oh god. now that i see everything, i remember one of the good things about filtering. |
| 13:56.08 | Sintacks | Carbonite ... |
| 13:56.12 | Sintacks | it spams. so much. |
| 13:57.11 | Sintacks | guy in my guild with it just logged on. it sends your coords every 10 seconds. |
| 13:57.54 | Sintacks | it's already used as much addonchannel bandwidth as an addon that sends massve ammounts of data for guildbank data syncing |
| 13:58.46 | Silvanas | i once made my own addon to track such things, it used tobe HealBot doing the most data during raid to help it estimate absorbs |
| 13:58.59 | Sintacks | lol yep |
| 13:59.17 | Sintacks | before they added the inc heal api, libhealcomm was really spammy |
| 13:59.40 | Silvanas | yeh think that was igt :D |
| 14:01.09 | Silvanas | and then there was GearScore, with for whatever reason was a hype that died off |
| 14:01.31 | Sintacks | it died cuz its part of the game now |
| 14:01.43 | Silvanas | not the part iv seen |
| 14:02.04 | Sintacks | its just a number. now people want ilvl |
| 14:02.23 | Silvanas | tru but i stil dont see the ilvl of other players |
| 14:02.34 | Sintacks | o |
| 14:02.35 | Sintacks | true |
| 14:02.56 | Sintacks | but you can look them up now |
| 14:03.02 | Sintacks | or use an addon |
| 14:03.20 | Silvanas | for me it was about geeying better then the guy next to me, right now that is hard to judge, ofcourse an addon scould scan him and calculate the ilvl but i haven seen such addon yet :D |
| 14:03.22 | Sintacks | so no one sees teh point of gearscore anymore |
| 14:03.39 | Sintacks | there are quite a few ilvl addons |
| 14:03.43 | Sintacks | i like simpleilevel |
| 14:03.53 | Silvanas | lets make a new IlvlScore that keeps track of player thier itemlevels and adds it to thier tooltips |
| 14:04.08 | Silvanas | it will be the next big thing |
| 14:04.12 | Sintacks | simple ilevel does that. lol |
| 14:04.18 | Sintacks | it doesn't have sharing like GearScore did though |
| 14:04.34 | Silvanas | sharing was useful when inviting for pugs |
| 14:04.34 | Sintacks | and GearScore still exists (it's now called PlayerScore) and does calcs based on more than just ilvl now |
| 14:04.43 | nevcairiel | gearscore was horrible, so go away |
| 14:04.50 | Sintacks | blizzard needs to make an api for ilvl :| |
| 14:05.00 | Sintacks | so you can see it when you inspect, at the very least |
| 14:05.15 | nevcairiel | can easily write an addon to compute it from the items he wears |
| 14:05.18 | Silvanas | but first i want to be able to retreive a players GUID by the guild rooster |
| 14:05.57 | Sintacks | that's how they work, nevcairiel. but it still requires inspection, and sometimes it doesn't agree with blizzard's own shown ilvl. heh |
| 14:06.25 | Sintacks | i wish they would lower the inspect timeout now that gearscore is actually dead |
| 14:06.37 | Silvanas | heh :D |
| 14:06.55 | Sintacks | would speed up inspection for certain addons that want to know what spec/talents people have. |
| 14:07.22 | Silvanas | or they could just make an api for that |
| 14:07.34 | Sintacks | that could work |
| 14:07.44 | Sintacks | keep the restrction for hostile units though |
| 14:07.54 | Silvanas | infact they need to make better apis, a lot, like getting info of an item without tooltip scanning |
| 14:07.56 | Sintacks | so you can't see talents of flagged pvp oponeunts or hwatever |
| 14:08.03 | Sintacks | lol |
| 14:08.16 | Sintacks | we should all go work for blizzard |
| 14:08.23 | Silvanas | indeed :D |
| 14:08.39 | Sintacks | this guy keeps switching toons and the first addon message he sends has a prefix i don't know. |
| 14:08.41 | Sintacks | iLib |
| 14:09.02 | Sintacks | 05:02|Unknown (Guild): [iLib] [?%BygilyrDheurih%709000] [Bullchips] |
| 14:10.04 | Sintacks | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2228413591?page=4#61 |
| 14:10.06 | Sintacks | lol |
| 14:10.08 | Sintacks | i remember that |
| 14:10.19 | Sintacks | so they disabled filtering for a bit |
| 14:10.21 | Sintacks | until they fixed it |
| 14:11.29 | g0urra | what the hell. the other guy gave up after the first round |
| 14:13.11 | Silvanas | I am still quite proud of myzelf for sending play guids over the addon channel using only 4 out of the 255 charecters |
| 14:13.31 | Sintacks | o.O |
| 14:13.35 | Sintacks | wtf r u doin |
| 14:13.55 | Silvanas | i meant player guids |
| 14:15.07 | nevcairiel | since player guids are only 64-bit numbers, you can compress them well |
| 14:15.44 | Sintacks | why are you sending guids in comms |
| 14:16.13 | Silvanas | its for an dkp addon |
| 14:16.28 | Sintacks | whyh do you need guids for a dkp addon? lol |
| 14:16.39 | Silvanas | instead of sending the player name wich can be UTF8 so take up a total of 48 out of 255 charecters |
| 14:17.19 | Sintacks | ahh. dat alt chars shit people have in their names >.> is more prevently in the EU =p |
| 14:17.45 | Sintacks | 90% of lua that i know, i've learned from looking at other code :| |
| 14:17.56 | Sintacks | the same thing happened with mSL |
| 14:18.08 | Sintacks | which isn't even a real language... cuz it's only used in one program |
| 14:18.09 | Silvanas | still my 4 charecters is shorter then most player names :D |
| 14:18.42 | Sintacks | doing it like that means you also know the max size a "name" will ever be, so you iknow how much room you have to include other info |
| 14:18.43 | Silvanas | i started off with .ini files in tiberiam sub :D |
| 14:19.00 | Sintacks | someone just sent me a tell: "what prof can u make [Fen-Yu, Fury of Xuen]??" |
| 14:19.12 | Silvanas | indeed, and i know i cna fit a player his dkp in 2 charecters |
| 14:19.25 | Silvanas | so 6 chaters for a player / dkp combo |
| 14:19.48 | Silvanas | so i cna send like 40 dkp updates in 1 go |
| 14:19.58 | Sintacks | hmm |
| 14:20.10 | Sintacks | i wonder how epgp does it's shit |
| 14:20.54 | Silvanas | it probley uses acutaly comppressen and spread data out over multiple messages if neeeded |
| 14:21.13 | Sintacks | I'm not even sure how much it communciates |
| 14:21.15 | Sintacks | if at all |
| 14:21.29 | Sintacks | i know it has a history/log, but i'm not sure how it populates that log |
| 14:21.55 | Silvanas | it will have to send something ofcourse if ppl get items |
| 14:22.18 | Sintacks | what the hell is elvui doing when you join a group... it spams instance addon channel like... 25 times |
| 14:23.23 | Silvanas | nobody know what elv ui is doing |
| 14:25.35 | Sintacks | only three people in this lfr have elv ui |
| 14:25.46 | Sintacks | they all 3 spammed 25 times, their version when the group was created |
| 14:26.06 | karl_w_w | i hate hearthstone arena sometimes |
| 14:26.18 | Silvanas | RAID_ROOSTER_UPDATE fires 25 times, so that probely triggers it |
| 14:26.25 | karl_w_w | how are you meant to beat people with 3 legendaries |
| 14:26.33 | Sintacks | prob |
| 14:26.35 | Sintacks | but still :| |
| 14:27.54 | Silvanas | karl_w_w: i got the same problem with soulforge |
| 14:47.32 | Sintacks | k. now to set up a fake epgp in my bank alt's guild |
| 14:47.47 | Sintacks | which means gquiting my main guild on my second account again <.< |
| 14:48.12 | Sintacks | I miss EPGP... I wish I could get my guild to switch :| |
| 14:48.21 | Sintacks | and LootCouncil is going to be even more annoying in 6.0 |
| 14:48.49 | Kesava | Stanzilla: https://github.com/rbtwrrr/Kui_Nameplates-Customs/blob/master/custom.leftie.lua |
| 14:48.57 | Stanzilla | leftie :D |
| 14:49.42 | Sintacks | leftalined o.O? |
| 14:49.50 | Sintacks | screenshot go go |
| 14:51.53 | Kesava | https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-VC-1F7IaSsUVp6RzFuVFk4NEE/edit?usp=sharing |
| 14:52.31 | Silvanas | why is loot concil wurse in 6.0\? |
| 14:52.33 | Sintacks | o pretty |
| 14:53.02 | Sintacks | 90/boss is level. 20/99 is health percent? |
| 14:53.14 | Kesava | yep |
| 14:53.25 | Sintacks | hawt |
| 14:53.49 | Stanzilla | Kesava: awesome, thanks |
| 14:53.52 | Silvanas | looks good indeed |
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| 14:56.22 | Kesava | :D |
| 14:56.23 | Silvanas | my guild uses an in house dkp addon :D |
| 14:56.43 | Silvanas | it is ofcourse 8 years old and now it comes to me to clean up the mess |
| 14:59.29 | Sintacks | I forgot how to manually add an item into EPGPMasterLooter ... |
| 15:07.19 | Sintacks | even not being in a raid group, epqp loot master does use a fair bit of traffic. and even more traffic with certain settings on |
| 15:07.43 | Silvanas | yeh any dkp addon does |
| 15:08.03 | Sintacks | the big setting is Only send to specific guildranks |
| 15:08.16 | Sintacks | cuz it cahnges from using guild or raid as the channel, to tells |
| 15:08.26 | Sintacks | so depending on how many are in those ranks, it could get even worse |
| 15:09.42 | Silvanas | well since you found out the OFFICER channel can be used for addon traffic i will just synchorinse over that |
| 15:09.52 | Sintacks | lol |
| 15:09.54 | Silvanas | and the current dkp valuus over the guild |
| 15:10.11 | Sintacks | what are you doing in officer exactly that you don't want everyone to see? |
| 15:10.13 | Sintacks | bids? |
| 15:10.24 | Sintacks | rather, bid syncing |
| 15:10.54 | Silvanas | officer keep an fill history of all dkp events, its a lot of data you dont realy want to boether ppl with but it will help when players ask questions about thier dkp |
| 15:11.18 | Sintacks | ah |
| 15:12.15 | Silvanas | not in the first release but i do have future plans to compress old data |
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| 15:14.13 | Sintacks | >.< messing around with epgp and epgp loot master make me want to be in an epgp guild again |
| 15:14.33 | Sintacks | Hell, i'd be happy if we would just use epgp loot master to do loot council :| |
| 15:14.39 | Sintacks | would make shit faster |
| 15:15.24 | Sintacks | k. that's what i wanted to know about epgp sync |
| 15:15.29 | Sintacks | it is done in the guild addon channel |
| 15:15.33 | Sintacks | for log history |
| 15:15.46 | Sintacks | so every time someone gets ep or gp, it sends a message |
| 15:15.55 | Sintacks | so 25 messages for a kill... |
| 15:16.10 | Sintacks | that's actually not that much |
| 15:17.13 | Sintacks | lolz. the list of known prefixes in spamalyzer is old and you can tell, because some of them are longer than the allowed limit now |
| 15:17.49 | Sintacks | I wonder if Torhal would want updates for this.. |
| 15:18.05 | Sintacks | at least i think it was his addon |
| 15:18.14 | Sintacks | yeah |
| 15:18.47 | Silvanas | size limit on prefixes? it thoguh it was 255 for the message + prefix |
| 15:19.06 | Sintacks | the prefix lenghth is limited to like, 16 |
| 15:19.06 | Sintacks | i think |
| 15:19.19 | Sintacks | and it could be 255 for prefix+message |
| 15:19.20 | Sintacks | not sure |
| 15:19.22 | Sintacks | tests |
| 15:19.35 | nevcairiel | i think its prefix+message |
| 15:20.36 | Sintacks | Error occured in: Global |
| 15:20.36 | Sintacks | Message: Prefix is too long |
| 15:20.36 | Sintacks | Debug: [string "SendAddonMessage("12345678901234567","Test"..."]:1: in main chunk |
| 15:20.47 | Sintacks | now to test total size |
| 15:21.11 | Silvanas | i think server side truncates at 255 not the client, so you mgiht not notice it |
| 15:22.16 | Sintacks | blah.. i can't even type this /run command cuz it's too longg. lol |
| 15:22.44 | Silvanas | heh |
| 15:23.07 | *** join/#wowuidev vurlix (~vurlix@204.194.21.2) |
| 15:24.21 | nevcairiel | lua> string.rep("a", 200) |
| 15:24.22 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 15:24.29 | nevcairiel | much shorter then 200 a's |
| 15:24.36 | Sintacks | lol |
| 15:24.39 | Sintacks | i did it with 1s |
| 15:24.45 | Sintacks | but i'm not going to count the number that made it |
| 15:24.51 | Sintacks | so now i'm sending 11111 222 etc with 10 of each |
| 15:26.05 | Sintacks | 25:47|Unknown (Guild): [1234567890123456] [111111111122222222223333333333444444444455555555556666666666777777777788888888889999999999000000000011111111112222222222333333333344444444445555555555666666666677777777778888888888999999999900000000001111111111222222222233333333334444444444555555555566666] [Sinbanks] |
| 15:26.42 | Sintacks | tried to send 300 chars |
| 15:27.02 | Sintacks | so only got 255 |
| 15:27.15 | Sintacks | so prefix is limited to 16, but not part of message |
| 15:27.25 | Sintacks | so know you know how much room you actually have, silv3rwind |
| 15:27.27 | Sintacks | Silvanas* |
| 15:27.31 | Sintacks | I have used the tab key 101,221 times. |
| 15:27.31 | Sintacks | <.< |
| 15:28.13 | Silvanas | string.rep("a", 2000) |
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| 15:28.17 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o ShirikPro] by ChanServ |
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| 15:28.28 | Silvanas | lua> string.rep("a", 2000) |
| 15:28.28 | lua_bot | Silvanas: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa... (result truncated) |
| 15:28.33 | Sintacks | lol |
| 15:28.39 | Silvanas | its not me spamming its that bot! |
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| 15:29.08 | Sintacks | only output 300 a's and the three .'s |
| 15:29.37 | Sintacks | oops |
| 15:29.44 | Sintacks | just logged into my main with epgp still on |
| 15:29.50 | Sintacks | i hope it doesn't add shit to offier notices... |
| 15:30.20 | Silvanas | lol |
| 15:31.00 | Silvanas | so you say i can do a 16 char prefix and still a full 255 message |
| 15:31.02 | Silvanas | nice :D |
| 15:31.10 | Sintacks | yes |
| 15:31.22 | Sintacks | but there's no reason to use a 16 cha prefix =p |
| 15:31.24 | Sintacks | char* |
| 15:31.28 | Sintacks | just use something unique |
| 15:31.57 | Silvanas | thne i could make different prefixes for different action of my addon, up to 63 different prefixes |
| 15:32.08 | Sintacks | you could also do that |
| 15:32.13 | Sintacks | some addons do that |
| 15:32.31 | Ackis | bitchslaps Sintacks |
| 15:32.34 | Sintacks | EPGP LootMaster uses at least two |
| 15:32.37 | Sintacks | y u slap meh : |
| 15:32.37 | Sintacks | :( |
| 15:33.03 | Silvanas | i could use the player name for the prefix DKP_playname :D |
| 15:33.16 | Sintacks | lol |
| 15:33.28 | nevcairiel | until he has a unicode char in his name |
| 15:33.36 | Silvanas | ah yes :D |
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| 15:34.25 | Sintacks | shit. i forgot to note the prefix of elvui |
| 15:34.35 | Silvanas | but on a serius note the 64 prefix limit is a bit.. meh, becase you dont realy know how much prefixes other addons use |
| 15:35.01 | Sintacks | not without seeing what's registered, no |
| 15:35.15 | Sintacks | i use a ton of addons. heh. and i only have 23 registered prefixes |
| 15:35.29 | *** join/#wowuidev Arrow|phone (~arrow@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/ResponsibleForEverythingAndNothing/Arrowmaster) |
| 15:35.40 | Silvanas | yeh there is a 64 limit but you dont know how much room other addons leave you, they can have 1 prefix or 10 :D |
| 15:35.54 | nevcairiel | doesnt it just send you all data when you cross the limit |
| 15:36.08 | Sintacks | you don't really lose much if you put someone over 64 |
| 15:36.12 | nevcairiel | anyway, dont use prefixes to compress more data in there, thats just stupid |
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| 15:36.14 | Sintacks | yes, nevcairiel |
| 15:36.28 | Silvanas | oke of my older addons that i nolonger realy suppoirt used to have the type of message as part of the prefix with like 8 different message types so you had RIT_II and RIT_VS |
| 15:37.09 | Silvanas | i know newcariel, i was just a joke i wont put data in prefixes |
| 15:37.11 | Sintacks | the most known prefixes I see an addon having is 5. and of those 5, i only saw three of them sent by the addon anyway (though I didn't do much testing) |
| 15:38.54 | Sintacks | hmm. epgp (or something) uses LibGuildStorage but i can't find that lib anywhere |
| 15:39.18 | Silvanas | maybe a private lib ? |
| 15:39.24 | Sintacks | maybe |
| 15:39.28 | Silvanas | all my addons use SilvanasAddonLib :D |
| 15:39.34 | Sintacks | i found it's code on a googlecode for epgp. lol |
| 15:39.39 | Arrow|phone | After years of having a smart phone I finally went over my data limit and got billed for another 1GB |
| 15:39.48 | Sintacks | i have one addon i think, that someoe has their own lib for |
| 15:40.04 | Sintacks | lol Arrow|phone. what'd you do? |
| 15:40.16 | Silvanas | dl pr0n? |
| 15:40.17 | Arrow|phone | I went to blizzcon |
| 15:40.41 | Sintacks | lol |
| 15:40.43 | Sintacks | how far over did you go? |
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| 15:41.25 | Arrow|phone | I just hit my limit and got my notification, so I have 1GB to last me till the 4th |
| 15:41.49 | Sintacks | how much did that 1GB cost? |
| 15:42.00 | nevcairiel | i would never accept a contract that automatically charges me more |
| 15:42.15 | Arrow|phone | $10 |
| 15:43.13 | Aeger73 | Check out Ting they charge only on what you use. I have 3 smartphones on my plan. My bill is usually 38$ a month |
| 15:43.23 | Aeger73 | only issue is you buy phone in full no sunsidy |
| 15:43.31 | Aeger73 | *subsidy* |
| 15:44.01 | Arrow|phone | Wow and I thought our 3 phones for $97 was good |
| 15:45.08 | Arrow|phone | Oh it uses sprint |
| 15:45.19 | Sintacks | lulz |
| 15:45.21 | Sintacks | we have 4 phones |
| 15:45.23 | Sintacks | $230 |
| 15:45.25 | Silvanas | but you are on your phone now, so each message we type cost you money ? :D |
| 15:45.29 | Sintacks | 4GB of shared data |
| 15:45.34 | Silvanas | i got 1 phone 37 Euro |
| 15:45.48 | Sintacks | quick. get lua_bot to spam things |
| 15:46.07 | Arrow|phone | $97 for two dumbphones and my smartphone with 2GB |
| 15:46.10 | Unkle1 | I still have an old AT&T "Unlimited" plan - and I used the hell out of it last month |
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| 15:46.16 | Silvanas | lua_bot what is Pi? |
| 15:46.24 | Sintacks | ShirikPro isn't too pro since it keeps DC'ing |
| 15:46.32 | nevcairiel | lua> math.pi |
| 15:46.32 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 3.1415926535898 |
| 15:46.50 | Shirik | the IRC client doesn't understand PowerNap it seems |
| 15:46.57 | Shirik | so when the computer's asleep it periodically logs back in |
| 15:46.58 | Silvanas | lua_bot isnt nice to me |
| 15:47.02 | Arrow|phone | nevcairiel: damn this mobile keyboard, I was typing that |
| 15:47.12 | Sintacks | lol |
| 15:47.33 | Arrow|phone | Was looking for > |
| 15:47.40 | Shirik | lol |
| 15:47.49 | Silvanas | heh |
| 15:48.05 | Silvanas | lua> UnitGUID("silvanas") |
| 15:48.06 | lua_bot | Silvanas: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'UnitGUID' (a nil value) |
| 15:48.23 | nevcairiel | its a lua bot, not a wow bot |
| 15:48.41 | Silvanas | wel maybe the bot can scan wowpedia |
| 15:48.53 | Sintacks | lol |
| 15:49.04 | nevcairiel | ~api UnitGUID |
| 15:49.05 | purl | !api UnitGUID |
| 15:49.05 | lua_bot | UnitGUID: Returns a unit's globally unique identifier (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitGUID) |
| 15:49.12 | nevcairiel | oh right, with a ! |
| 15:49.19 | Sintacks | someone add wowlua> to lua_bot go go |
| 15:49.19 | Silvanas | loool |
| 15:49.26 | Sintacks | and figure out a way to make it think it's in wow |
| 15:49.27 | Sintacks | gogo |
| 15:49.43 | Sintacks | also: lol @ the different places i'm finding epgp code on the internets |
| 15:49.47 | Silvanas | funny how purl triggers lua bot |
| 15:49.56 | Arrow|phone | Yes I added that |
| 15:50.12 | Shirik | there used to be a vulnerability in that |
| 15:50.16 | Shirik | pretty sure it's been fixed now |
| 15:50.36 | Sintacks | you added it so that if someone uses the wrong !api command, purl does the right one? |
| 15:50.52 | Arrow|phone | Yes |
| 15:51.03 | Sintacks | .api time |
| 15:51.05 | Sintacks | :( |
| 15:51.06 | Sintacks | you failed |
| 15:51.08 | Shirik | ~say lua> print("say lua> print('test')") |
| 15:51.09 | purl | lua> print("say lua> print('test')") |
| 15:51.09 | lua_bot | purl: say lua> print('test') |
| 15:51.09 | purl | lua> print('test') |
| 15:51.10 | lua_bot | purl: test |
| 15:51.10 | purl | hmm... test is not funny |
| 15:51.14 | Sintacks | hahahahaha |
| 15:51.15 | Shirik | hm, |
| 15:51.16 | Shirik | maybe not fixed |
| 15:51.19 | Silvanas | lol |
| 15:51.19 | mikma_ | oh wow |
| 15:51.30 | nevcairiel | you cant make it loop |
| 15:51.36 | mikma_ | shirik is an asshole! |
| 15:51.42 | Aeger73 | Sprint works fine in Phoenix, It sucked ass when I was in Alabama visiting my daughter |
| 15:51.46 | Sintacks | there goes Arrowmaster's data plan |
| 15:52.09 | mikma_ | hmmm |
| 15:52.14 | mikma_ | evil plan |
| 15:52.24 | Arrow|phone | Fucking Attachmate, stop failing to install |
| 15:53.46 | Arrow|phone | I think one of the local SCCM servers is having issues |
| 15:53.50 | mikma_ | shirik: i wonder can we do infinite loop with that line |
| 15:54.48 | Torhal | Sintacks: I do the code, Yoshimo is supposed to do the detections. |
| 15:55.02 | Sintacks | for? |
| 15:55.18 | Torhal | [09:17:49] Sintacks: I wonder if Torhal would want updates for this.. |
| 15:55.22 | Sintacks | ohh |
| 15:55.38 | Sintacks | this table is ugly looking. lol |
| 15:55.49 | mikma_ | decorate it with ham |
| 15:55.53 | Sintacks | mmm ham |
| 15:56.10 | Sintacks | and there's so many in the list that wouldn't even work anymore |
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| 15:58.18 | Sintacks | 63 of them would throw an error if you tried to register them |
| 15:58.33 | Sintacks | or send them |
| 15:58.40 | Silvanas | or both |
| 15:58.44 | Sintacks | lol |
| 15:59.28 | Silvanas | you sure you cant make lua and purl bots loop ? |
| 15:59.42 | Sintacks | try it |
| 15:59.44 | Sintacks | dare you |
| 15:59.45 | Sintacks | won't do it |
| 15:59.45 | Sintacks | no balls |
| 15:59.59 | mikma_ | yes, only VAGINAS |
| 16:00.01 | Arrow|phone | You could if you made a recursive lua script |
| 16:00.48 | Arrow|phone | Enough of the os table is probably removed to prevent that from being easy |
| 16:01.12 | Sintacks | lua> os.time |
| 16:01.12 | lua_bot | Sintacks: function: 0x86e6510 |
| 16:01.13 | mikma_ | basicly make a purl command that makes purl to say something with lua> and have the lua> order purl to say it again |
| 16:01.18 | Sintacks | lua> os.time() |
| 16:01.19 | lua_bot | Sintacks: 1385136231 |
| 16:01.40 | Sintacks | 3 minutes in the future |
| 16:01.44 | Shirik | purl luatest is <reply> lua> print("luatest") |
| 16:01.44 | purl | Shirik: okay |
| 16:01.50 | Sintacks | maybe not... |
| 16:01.51 | Shirik | purl: luatest |
| 16:01.51 | purl | lua> print("luatest") |
| 16:02.00 | Arrow|phone | Don't do it |
| 16:02.02 | Shirik | there :P |
| 16:02.13 | mikma_ | do it. |
| 16:02.14 | Sintacks | hmm |
| 16:02.19 | Silvanas | ~say lua> print("lua> print("")") |
| 16:02.19 | purl | lua> print("lua> print("")") |
| 16:02.19 | lua_bot | purl: luabot:1: ')' expected near '")"' |
| 16:02.30 | Shirik | Silvanas needs to pay more attention |
| 16:02.32 | Silvanas | yeh it wont be able to cascade it seems |
| 16:02.37 | Shirik | I ran that test (correctly) above |
| 16:02.52 | Sintacks | nope. sync'd my clock. |
| 16:02.59 | Sintacks | so lua_bot's clock is fast |
| 16:03.03 | Arrow|phone | We've done it before like that |
| 16:04.12 | Shirik | wow TCG world championships tomorrow! |
| 16:04.16 | Shirik | the last one :( |
| 16:04.36 | Sintacks | :( |
| 16:04.45 | Silvanas | i see nice |
| 16:05.53 | Silvanas | what was the syntax to make purl bot fix the words? |
| 16:06.01 | Silvanas | s/o/i |
| 16:06.13 | Torhal | s/old/new/ |
| 16:06.25 | Silvanas | test |
| 16:06.30 | Silvanas | s/tast/test |
| 16:06.34 | Torhal | :P |
| 16:06.35 | Shirik | you fail at sed syntax |
| 16:06.53 | Silvanas | i only worked with perl for like half a year and that was like 10 years ago |
| 16:07.03 | Shirik | this is not a perl thing |
| 16:07.04 | Silvanas | s/10/12/ |
| 16:07.16 | Shirik | also |
| 16:07.19 | Shirik | you shouldn't work with perl |
| 16:07.22 | Shirik | it will drain your soul |
| 16:07.36 | Fisker | you fail at computing Shirik |
| 16:07.38 | Arrow|phone | I knew TCL once |
| 16:07.41 | Shirik | omg |
| 16:07.41 | Arrow|phone | Once |
| 16:07.45 | Torhal | In the late '90s Perl was a necessary evil. |
| 16:07.45 | Shirik | I have to write Tcl at work lately |
| 16:07.57 | Arrow|phone | Haha |
| 16:07.58 | Shirik | It makes me want to blow my brains out |
| 16:08.03 | Arrow|phone | Why |
| 16:08.19 | Shirik | one of the static analyzers we use is programmable via tcl |
| 16:08.46 | Arrow|phone | I'm happy to say that I've forgotten everything about tcl |
| 16:08.51 | Sintacks | !api ITEM_PUSH |
| 16:08.52 | lua_bot | ITEM_PUSH: Fires when the player receives an item (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/ITEM_PUSH) |
| 16:09.56 | Sintacks | no. why'd i have to know that. now i'm thinking about that stupid thing i want to make to delete fucking paper airplanes |
| 16:10.41 | Shirik | I can't wrap my head around when things are supposed to be strings and when they're enclosed in [] and when they're eval'ed |
| 16:10.44 | Arrow|phone | Just delete them every OnUpdate, what could possibly go wrong |
| 16:10.54 | Shirik | like if { } { } vs if [ ] { } |
| 16:11.41 | Sintacks | lol Arrow|phone |
| 16:11.59 | Sintacks | well now that i know what event to watch for, i can do it... but i've got like. 5 other things i'm working on |
| 16:12.00 | Arrow|phone | Write an interpreter for another language in Tcl so you never have to use Tcl again |
| 16:12.01 | Sintacks | i don't need another one |
| 16:12.31 | Shirik | I thought about it |
| 16:12.42 | TGiFallen | does anyone know of a good place to farm motes of harmony? I'm a geared tank so it can be a more difficult area |
| 16:12.55 | A-KO | everywhere |
| 16:12.59 | A-KO | pretty sure all mobs drop it |
| 16:13.01 | Sintacks | timeless isle |
| 16:13.03 | Arrow|phone | Oh fuck you CMG I don't want to reboot |
| 16:13.11 | TC-Work | Then don't |
| 16:13.18 | Silvanas | ~say lua> print("s/purl/~say lua> print('s/purl')/") |
| 16:13.18 | purl | lua> print("s/purl/~say lua> print('s/purl')/") |
| 16:13.19 | lua_bot | purl: s/purl/~say lua> print('s/purl')/ |
| 16:13.22 | Arrow|phone | Can't stop it |
| 16:13.33 | Silvanas | meh :D |
| 16:14.28 | Torhal | Can't stop the signal. |
| 16:15.51 | Silvanas | oh well i am off to home, good luck |
| 16:17.12 | Arrow|phone | Almost done here, then I can go home and put in my time sheet for what looks like 27 hours this week.... Fuck |
| 16:18.11 | Sintacks | !api GUILD_TRADESKILL_UPDATE |
| 16:18.11 | lua_bot | GUILD_TRADESKILL_UPDATE: <em>This event is not yet documented</em> (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/GUILD_TRADESKILL_UPDATE) |
| 16:18.15 | Sintacks | well fuck you |
| 16:18.17 | Sintacks | :( |
| 16:18.22 | Arrow|phone | And that recruiter dodged my call and hasn't replied to my email since I got home from blizzcon |
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| 16:19.06 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v MentalPower|Work] by ChanServ |
| 16:19.21 | Sintacks | what the shit. when i mouseover someone that's not in the same zone, WORLD_MAP_UPDATE fires like... multiple multiple times per second |
| 16:19.23 | TC-Work | I refuse to use recruiters |
| 16:19.44 | TC-Work | I'd rather get a call from a telemarketer |
| 16:19.50 | Arrow|phone | The job was only listed through them... |
| 16:19.56 | Sintacks | like, time between two of them is .020 seconds |
| 16:20.01 | Arrow|phone | They all suck |
| 16:20.03 | TC-Work | Then you go directly to the company. |
| 16:20.33 | Arrow|phone | I had to talk to the recruiter to get the company name |
| 16:21.42 | Arrow|phone | Which I forgot but I have enough info I can lookup |
| 16:26.27 | foxlit | http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml/17538/UIParent.lua#1114 << dammit, Blizzard. That's so inconsiderate of you. |
| 16:29.28 | Sintacks | lol @ AVR still being in this known prefixes list |
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| 16:33.22 | mikma_ | sintacks: what? |
| 16:37.37 | Torhal | mikma_: He's looking at the AddonMessage prefix table for Spamalyzer. |
| 16:37.55 | Sintacks | what what |
| 16:38.02 | Sintacks | yeah. what he said |
| 16:38.03 | nevcairiel | foxlit: wat |
| 16:38.04 | Sintacks | and it's funny |
| 16:38.06 | Sintacks | i miss AVR :( |
| 16:38.15 | foxlit | StaticPopup_Show() has a data parameter. |
| 16:38.29 | nevcairiel | probably did not when this was written |
| 16:38.31 | Sintacks | watch me forget i modified this list and it gets updated and i lose everything i added... |
| 16:38.52 | foxlit | Doesn't matter, still bloody inconvenient of them. |
| 16:39.22 | Torhal | Sintacks: You're weird. I'm in channel. |
| 16:39.29 | Sintacks | i know |
| 16:39.35 | Sintacks | and yes, i'm wierd |
| 16:39.38 | Torhal | lol |
| 16:39.40 | Sintacks | weird too |
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| 16:41.50 | foxlit | nevcairiel: and no. GOSSIP_CONFIRM was added in 2.0.6; and the data argument to _Show in 1.9.0. |
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| 16:49.33 | Torhal | Cairenn: http://i1.wp.com/www.geeksaresexy.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/corgi-larp.jpg?resize=600%2C481 |
| 16:49.46 | Shirik | apparently PB&J is racist |
| 16:49.52 | Shirik | http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/15414/ |
| 16:50.07 | foxlit | pandaren spirit tamer pet species have no names :/ |
| 16:51.47 | Torhal | There's only one thing to do; get foxlit hired as Blizzard QA. |
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| 16:52.45 | Torhal | Is it a bad thing that I feel an urge to ban AddOn authors for using "lightweight" as a buzzword in their descriptions? |
| 16:52.51 | Torhal | :/ |
| 16:52.53 | foxlit | no |
| 16:53.00 | foxlit | We need to make our own xkcd world-replacing extension |
| 16:53.34 | foxlit | s/world/word/ |
| 16:53.38 | foxlit | (too much worldframe for me) |
| 16:53.58 | Shirik | Torhal: I agree |
| 16:54.09 | foxlit | lightweight -> "I still don't know how to create a configuration interface" |
| 16:54.59 | Torhal | foxlit: Funny you should say that. The latest project to raise my ire says "X is a very lightweight addon with absolutely no configuration meant purely for rogues or feral druids. What you see is what you get - nothing more, nothing less." |
| 16:55.42 | Aeger73 | ToggleTalentFrame() when used on a button causes MayronUI has been blocked from an action only available to the Blizzard UI. It works fine if you bring up talets with the N key |
| 16:56.01 | foxlit | http://wowpedia.org/API_ToggleTalentFrame |
| 16:56.03 | Shirik | Shadowed you play solforge right? This is absurd. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153492821850258&set=a.10150542207315258.644661.726170257&type=1&theater |
| 16:56.31 | Shirik | Torhal: Its name is X? |
| 16:56.38 | Shirik | That's good. It saves a few bytes on storing the name. |
| 16:56.47 | Torhal | Shirik: Nah, just didn't want to actually shame the person. |
| 16:56.51 | Shirik | aw |
| 16:57.06 | TC-Work | Shirik: Yea, I have done something like that before. |
| 16:57.12 | TC-Work | go go dragon thing |
| 16:57.18 | Torhal | It's shit like that that has everyone freaking out about static memory usage, though. |
| 16:57.24 | Lopeppeppy | Bail money. Stat. |
| 16:57.43 | Lopeppeppy | is gonna do something baaaaad. |
| 16:57.54 | Shirik | A while back I wrote up a statement about why nobody should care about memory usage |
| 16:57.57 | Torhal | I thought that was part of your daily agenda, Lopeppeppy... |
| 16:58.04 | Shirik | It is probably lost to the sands of time though |
| 16:58.33 | foxlit | now now, old man. |
| 16:58.43 | Lopeppeppy | Torhal - after almost 2 YEARS useless coworker hasn't figured out that the new web system has a different web extension for pages. Even though we teach it in all of our beginner classes. |
| 16:59.03 | Torhal | :/ |
| 17:02.59 | Lopeppeppy | .cfm versus .php and she's juuuuuust noticing. |
| 17:04.04 | Neffi | Maybe she... *gasps* hides file extensions? |
| 17:04.25 | foxlit | there should be some relatively easy way to resolve a battle pet type ID into a species icon, but it escapes me. Help? |
| 17:05.36 | foxlit | "Interface\\PetBattles\\PetIcon-"..PET_TYPE_SUFFIX[petType] |
| 17:06.49 | foxlit | and then texture coords. gr. |
| 17:10.25 | Sintacks | |11:52:45 am| [Torhal] Is it a bad thing that I feel an urge to ban AddOn authors for using "lightweight" as a buzzword in their descriptions? |
| 17:10.26 | Sintacks | lol'd |
| 17:11.36 | Neffi | contemplates uploading a slew of "lightweight" addons. |
| 17:11.59 | Sintacks | uploads a "lightweight" addon that just calls the user a bad |
| 17:12.24 | Sintacks | how do you define lightweight anyway... |
| 17:12.34 | Aeger73 | Maybe weshould start a new group for lightweight addons called Weight Watchers |
| 17:12.35 | TC-Work | Not heavy |
| 17:12.45 | foxlit | "it doesn't do what you want and fuck you for asking." |
| 17:12.54 | Sintacks | why the hell do i have my shoes on and why did i just now notice... |
| 17:13.13 | Sintacks | i've had them on for 8 hours it seems... |
| 17:13.31 | Neffi | Sintacks: The weight of the bits that make up my code is so low that my most accurate scale can't even register it! That's lightweight |
| 17:13.41 | Sintacks | lol |
| 17:14.07 | Sintacks | so i was bored and looking at the LMAO or whatever catagory on wowi and found SSS and decided to look at it's code. |
| 17:14.11 | Sintacks | dafuq |
| 17:14.59 | foxlit | can you resolve an npc ID to a name in-game? |
| 17:16.39 | Sintacks | it feels like monday for some reason |
| 17:17.37 | Neffi | It's friday here, and that's fucking great |
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| 17:17.48 | VIad | wednesday here |
| 17:18.46 | Torhal | Sintacks: SSS? |
| 17:18.49 | Neffi | VIad's a time traveler |
| 17:19.09 | Neffi | Torhal: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info16350-SSS.html |
| 17:19.16 | Torhal | Neffi: Methinks it's more likely that VIad is merely insane. I mean, look at his name. |
| 17:19.28 | Torhal | Aah |
| 17:19.35 | Neffi | by the way, I hope you drive an Impala, VIad |
| 17:19.50 | Sintacks | I can't tell if SSS even actually does anything |
| 17:20.05 | Torhal | Neffi: That doesn't make sense considering his name is Viad with arbitrary caps. |
| 17:20.46 | Torhal | Plus he'd have to BE the Impala. |
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| 17:24.18 | Sintacks | ElvUIPluginVC and ELVUI_VERSIONCHK are the only two prefixes i can find for sure, without downloading it and looking. |
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| 17:31.10 | foxlit | http://www.go-hero.net/i/map.jpg << thoughts? |
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| 17:32.33 | Fisker | it's a link foxlit |
| 17:32.34 | Neffi | foxlit: The tooltip? Looks great |
| 17:32.45 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 17:32.58 | Fisker | But I will fall back to "it's a link" |
| 17:33.26 | Neffi | That sounds better. Let me amend my original comment too. |
| 17:34.23 | Sintacks | tooltips Neffi |
| 17:34.36 | Neffi | suddenly feels dirty. |
| 17:34.47 | foxlit | slightly less obvious: one of the tamer icons is greyed out. |
| 17:35.15 | Neffi | I didn't notice that, and others might not |
| 17:35.17 | Torhal | I see it; Kun-Lai |
| 17:35.22 | Neffi | But it could also be because of your tiny map scale |
| 17:35.34 | foxlit | ordinarily, you'd know what you're looking for. |
| 17:35.41 | Neffi | aye, that's true |
| 17:36.02 | Neffi | I'd probably make it a pale red or something |
| 17:36.08 | Neffi | Doesn't quite stand out enough |
| 17:37.21 | foxlit | that's okay; it's supposed to indicate that you already did the daily. |
| 17:37.24 | Neffi | But that's also going on a picture where the background is my white browser frame |
| 17:37.41 | Neffi | That affects pattern recognition. If it looks good in-game, then it's fine. |
| 17:37.56 | Neffi | Ah, then that actually makes a lot of sense. Keep it. |
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| 17:52.38 | foxlit | http://www.go-hero.net/i/icx-map.jpg |
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| 17:58.10 | foxlit | it bothers me that these species have no names. |
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| 18:07.51 | Sintacks | lol @ lfr |
| 18:08.30 | Sintacks | was afk for maybe 40 seconds of galafucker's trash. come up to the pack of trash, turn on bladeflurry and hit killing spree. top of the damage done by the time KS finishes. |
| 18:09.16 | Aeger73 | Im trying to use a secure action button first time. http://pastebin.com/9R12MJAa line 436 and the button is at 295. Not sure if I can call the Thirdbutton outside of the function. I know its definatly not working right |
| 18:16.15 | Torhal | Aeger73: Lines 1 and 3 are assigning to the same variable. |
| 18:18.11 | Torhal | And defining Thirdbutton outside of the function is fine. |
| 18:18.37 | Aeger73 | I must be using the secure function wrong then |
| 18:19.04 | Aeger73 | how big a deal is MayonUIK defined twice? he has that on each lua file |
| 18:19.37 | Torhal | Just makes line 1 completely useless. |
| 18:20.32 | Aeger73 | Mayron is busy with school this week, trying to help him out with some bug reports |
| 18:25.05 | A-KO | this |
| 18:25.05 | A-KO | new |
| 18:25.06 | A-KO | zelda |
| 18:25.14 | A-KO | go buy it :D |
| 18:25.57 | Torhal | teaches A-KO the difference between punctuation and newlines. |
| 18:30.22 | Sintacks | Torhal, how does the partial-match prefixes work... how would i have to add TMW_CSC_2* where * can change |
| 18:31.23 | Lopeppeppy | Torhal, save me, I'm seriously going to kill her.... |
| 18:31.40 | Torhal | Sintacks: Looking at the code, been literally years. |
| 18:31.46 | Sintacks | lol |
| 18:32.03 | Sintacks | dat 4.0.6 change |
| 18:32.07 | Torhal | Lopeppeppy: I'm not geographically close enough, unfortunately. Get drunk, instead. Less serious repercussions. |
| 18:32.07 | Sintacks | i think it was 4.0.6 |
| 18:32.08 | Sintacks | lulz |
| 18:32.29 | Lopeppeppy | The rum! |
| 18:32.36 | Sintacks | why's it always gone? |
| 18:33.27 | VIad | hmm, github compromised ey? |
| 18:34.59 | Torhal | Sintacks: http://wowpedia.org/Pattern_matching |
| 18:35.34 | Sintacks | ew. regex. i hate regex D: |
| 18:35.45 | Dagmar | It's not regex |
| 18:36.00 | Neffi | It's far simpler than regex |
| 18:36.05 | Neffi | But, how can you hate regex? |
| 18:36.06 | Sintacks | lol |
| 18:36.18 | Dagmar | Neffi: You aspirate oxygen? |
| 18:36.38 | Neffi | I don't think so |
| 18:36.45 | Dagmar | The first time you see a three-line grawlix... THAT YOU HAVE TO DEBUG... you'll find it remarkably easy |
| 18:37.15 | Dagmar | Regexps are the one aspect of computer programming that leads all to easily to "write once, debug never" |
| 18:37.45 | Dagmar | There should be a certification board and licensure required before anyone is allowed to construct a regexp longer than 40 characters or containing more than four atmos. |
| 18:37.49 | Dagmar | s/atmos/atoms/; |
| 18:38.02 | Dagmar | If they want to do that in the privacy of their own home, that's fine |
| 18:38.08 | Fisker | don't do it Lopeppeppy |
| 18:38.11 | Fisker | there's no rum in jail |
| 18:38.26 | Fisker | lots of water though, so on the other hand, do it do it do it |
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| 18:43.43 | Silvanas | good evening |
| 18:46.09 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, you are not helping your case. |
| 18:46.17 | Lopeppeppy | Unkle will help me decide. Rum, or water? |
| 18:46.20 | Fisker | water |
| 18:46.24 | Fisker | It's good for you |
| 18:46.38 | Unkle | Lopeppeppy: Far be it from me to advocate against Rum. |
| 18:47.00 | Lopeppeppy | See, Fisker? So I should not do the murders, no matter how justified. |
| 18:47.14 | Fisker | To be fair you can drink water without murdering people |
| 18:49.47 | Unkle | You can drink rum the same way. Correlation is not causation. |
| 18:53.50 | Sintacks | wtb eu wow license |
| 18:59.27 | Fisker | how much will you pay Sintacks ? |
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| 19:05.35 | Sintacks | EU SERVERS DON'T KNOW HOW TO COUNT |
| 19:06.03 | Sintacks | Silvermoon is full: Position in queue: 20, then 8... then 9... then 10... then 8.. then 9.. then 10... |
| 19:06.13 | Sintacks | now 15 |
| 19:06.15 | Sintacks | wtf |
| 19:06.21 | foxlit | that or you're not paying them enough |
| 19:07.12 | Sintacks | now i'm 27 |
| 19:07.15 | Sintacks | :| |
| 19:07.33 | Sintacks | Silvanas, this is your fault :( |
| 19:07.41 | Sintacks | up to 23 ll |
| 19:08.42 | Unkle | It's simple - Blizzard hates you. You personally. They've got it in for YOU. And you can't do anything about it. Suck it up. |
| 19:09.30 | Neffi | Logout -> cancel |
| 19:09.47 | Neffi | Or the server's estimating how many slots are left |
| 19:09.53 | Unkle | But they keep your pre-paid sub fee! SUCKER! |
| 19:10.21 | Unkle | (Please, read all these with the implied <sarcasm></sarcasm> tags) |
| 19:10.47 | Neffi | I don't support the unnecessary use of verbose markup |
| 19:11.00 | Sintacks | I'm not even paying them though ... |
| 19:11.01 | Sintacks | <. |
| 19:11.07 | Fisker | exactly |
| 19:11.16 | Fisker | non-paid accounts are bumped down the queue from paying customers |
| 19:11.25 | Fisker | so you go up in queue because paying customers are trying to join |
| 19:11.45 | Sintacks | :( Sen'jin EU is german |
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| 19:17.44 | Sintacks | "You need to convert your account to access this feature." |
| 19:17.45 | Sintacks | i have mail |
| 19:17.47 | Sintacks | let me open it |
| 19:17.49 | Sintacks | you FUCK HEAD |
| 19:17.51 | Sintacks | cries |
| 19:18.04 | Fisker | lol Sintacks |
| 19:18.20 | Fisker | maybe you should get like a vague idea of what trial accounts are |
| 19:18.30 | Sintacks | Unread mail from: |
| 19:18.30 | Sintacks | The WoW Dev Team |
| 19:18.30 | Sintacks | Master Handler Sylvester |
| 19:19.04 | Sintacks | if a trial account can't get mail, it shouldn't have mail |
| 19:19.32 | foxlit | it's botmail. |
| 19:19.46 | foxlit | besides, don't you just want to pay your monthly fee to see what it is that they sent you? :P |
| 19:20.32 | Shirik | lol |
| 19:24.01 | VIad | wouldn't letting you see the mail attachments make people wanna subscribe even more? |
| 19:24.51 | foxlit | no. |
| 19:25.03 | foxlit | Wrapped presents are more always more exciting than knowing that it's a sweater. |
| 19:25.48 | Esamynn|work | also, I think we can likely devine the contents of those attachements without needing to see them |
| 19:25.52 | Sintacks | 117 ms on Aerie Peak |
| 19:25.53 | VIad | btw you can't send a trial account mail - right? |
| 19:25.54 | Sintacks | fucks pelling |
| 19:25.57 | Sintacks | that's not bad |
| 19:26.06 | Sintacks | buut 091234982734 seconds to load eu battle.ent |
| 19:26.14 | Esamynn|work | O_o |
| 19:26.18 | VIad | so they can only receive mail from blizzard : |
| 19:26.55 | Fisker | Everyone can send trial accounts mail |
| 19:27.00 | Sintacks | well fuck. i have to answer my security question to file a ticket |
| 19:27.00 | Sintacks | wtf |
| 19:27.04 | Sintacks | also: i don't know the answer ;( |
| 19:27.23 | Sintacks | and my ID o.O |
| 19:27.25 | Sintacks | da. fuq. |
| 19:27.26 | Esamynn|work | whoops |
| 19:28.22 | VIad | Sintacks: :P |
| 19:29.25 | Unkle | Heh. Blizzard froze my account twice - once after I installed the Hearthstone beta, and the second after I installed the Battle.net launcher. |
| 19:29.35 | VIad | how come Unkle? |
| 19:29.48 | *** part/#wowuidev Silvanas (~bot@ip73-40-173-82.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) |
| 19:29.51 | Unkle | "Suspicious login activity" |
| 19:30.46 | Torhal | The phrase "how come" is just weird. Closest meaning I can think of is "how come you to this conclusion" which isn't the equivalent of "why" at all. |
| 19:30.51 | Unkle | I installed Hearthstone, played a game, then logged out to go to dinner. I tried logging in from the Armory App to answer a message... BAM! Account locked. |
| 19:31.08 | VIad | that's strange behavor |
| 19:31.12 | VIad | behavior* |
| 19:31.23 | VIad | that's some strange behavior** |
| 19:31.31 | foxlit | "How did this come to pass, Torhal?" |
| 19:31.59 | Torhal | foxlit: That's also a valid variation; a bit closer to "why" as well. |
| 19:32.14 | Unkle | http://www.englishforums.com/English/HowCome/llhr/post.htm |
| 19:32.19 | Torhal | It's just amazing how many things are said without the person saying them evaluating whether or not they even make sense. |
| 19:32.38 | Torhal | One of my favorites is "could of" |
| 19:32.44 | Sintacks | oh shit. i can post on EU forums |
| 19:32.54 | Unkle | Torhal: That makes me RAGE. |
| 19:32.59 | Sintacks | what.. that's support forums... |
| 19:33.05 | VIad | how commeth this to pass? |
| 19:33.31 | Torhal | Unkle: I said "favorite" within the confines of that meaning. :D |
| 19:33.58 | Sintacks | This account has limited posting access due to the following condition:Trial accounts do not have the ability to create posts or use the rating buttons. Please upgrade to a full account to enable these features. |
| 19:33.58 | Sintacks | |
| 19:34.01 | Sintacks | :( |
| 19:34.13 | Unkle | Torhal: *nod* Hanging is too good for people who say 'could of' when they really mean "could've." |
| 19:34.32 | Sintacks | someone with an EU license: go post in http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/8776777634 and say "it's Postal doing it... don't log out of the game with the mailbox open. |
| 19:34.45 | sintAcks | i go sleep |
| 19:34.47 | VIad | trials can post in the support forum no? |
| 19:34.56 | sintAcks | they can in the support, yes |
| 19:35.09 | sintAcks | but interface and macros isn't support |
| 19:35.14 | sintAcks | soi can't post there |
| 19:35.21 | VIad | lol |
| 19:35.32 | VIad | 99.9% of the interface and macro forum is pure support oriented |
| 19:35.37 | VIad | each thread there is a question |
| 19:35.39 | sintAcks | lol |
| 19:36.02 | VIad | if the community abandons it there won't be any replies, only questions :P |
| 19:36.08 | Lopeppeppy | I used to LOOOOOVE doing UI/Macros support postings. :) |
| 19:36.17 | VIad | I got tired of it eventually |
| 19:36.22 | sintAcks | if i see a post i konw the answer to, i answer it |
| 19:36.32 | sintAcks | like that one i just linked |
| 19:36.34 | sintAcks | it's postal |
| 19:36.38 | sintAcks | i bet my left nut it is |
| 19:36.40 | sintAcks | cuz it does it to me |
| 19:36.42 | sintAcks | until i figuyred out what it was |
| 19:36.44 | sintAcks | and how it was doing it |
| 19:37.06 | sintAcks | and then I adding the line that person repied with to a kgpanel's onload script lol |
| 19:37.18 | Unkle | I hang on in the UI/Macros forum, but there are days when I could just rage quit life over the frustration |
| 19:38.10 | sintAcks | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:38.11 | sintAcks | weeee |
| 19:38.16 | sintAcks | that should be interesting for bossmods |
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| 19:41.23 | sintAcks | reading Omega's comments is funny |
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| 19:48.40 | VIad | who is omega? |
| 19:49.27 | Cairenn | alpha's friend |
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| 19:51.44 | Torhal | sintAcks: DBM? |
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| 19:52.23 | Unkle | Cairenn: I wouldn't call them friends. More like colleagues. |
| 19:52.32 | Cairenn | Heh |
| 19:52.51 | Silvanas | lua> math.pow(2554,3) |
| 19:52.51 | lua_bot | Silvanas: 16659527464 |
| 19:53.00 | Silvanas | lua> math.pow(254,3) |
| 19:53.00 | lua_bot | Silvanas: 16387064 |
| 19:53.12 | TC-Work | Unkle: It would be his last friend. |
| 19:53.14 | Silvanas | i gue that will do for now |
| 19:53.41 | Unkle | TC-Work: Significant levels of finality. |
| 19:53.54 | VIad | lua> math.pow(1337,1337) |
| 19:53.55 | lua_bot | VIad: inf |
| 19:54.05 | TC-Work | Unkle: Indeed |
| 19:55.32 | VIad | lua> inf/2 |
| 19:55.32 | lua_bot | VIad: luabot:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on global 'inf' (a nil value) |
| 19:55.49 | VIad | lua> math.pow(1337,1337)-math.pow(1337,1336) |
| 19:55.49 | lua_bot | VIad: -nan |
| 19:55.52 | VIad | you lie! |
| 19:59.48 | Fisker | then slouken left Lopeppeppy? :) |
| 20:00.37 | Lopeppeppy | I miss the pirate like whoa, that's true. |
| 20:01.13 | Seerah | ^^ |
| 20:01.25 | Unkle | He still social media dabbles and all that. |
| 20:01.34 | Seerah | *nod* |
| 20:01.45 | Fisker | And Valve's |
| 20:01.52 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, aye, I see him in the online sense on the Facebookness. |
| 20:02.06 | Unkle | The book faces? EEEEVIL! |
| 20:03.22 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/2KXZ2Od.gif |
| 20:03.38 | Cairenn | misses him too :( |
| 20:03.54 | airtonix | i would work on that aim |
| 20:04.10 | Cairenn | BlizzCon seemed so odd without him |
| 20:04.17 | Unkle | *nod* |
| 20:04.39 | airtonix | like just another marketing pump? |
| 20:04.59 | Lopeppeppy | Oh god, that's right, he moved. |
| 20:05.06 | Fisker | where? |
| 20:05.39 | Cairenn | Yeah, first he went to 38Studios, then to Valve |
| 20:06.08 | Unkle | Poor Rislyn - 38Studios. :( |
| 20:06.14 | Cairenn | Yeah :( |
| 20:06.21 | Fisker | Rislyn? |
| 20:06.42 | Unkle | Another UI developer from WoW who went to 38Studios |
| 20:06.43 | Cairenn | She'd been part of the WoW ui team for a while |
| 20:07.11 | Unkle | She's a sweetie. |
| 20:07.26 | Fisker | Ah |
| 20:07.40 | Fisker | What happened to her after 38studios? |
| 20:08.09 | Unkle | I don't know specifically what she's doing for work. I do know her side-line of photography is taking off. |
| 20:08.40 | Unkle | She went to 38Studios like ... over a year before the Pirate-y Man |
| 20:09.41 | Cairenn | The only thing she has listed (on fb) as current employment is Little Bunny Photo |
| 20:10.36 | Fisker | bunnies |
| 20:12.27 | Lopeppeppy | There's nothing we can't face, except for bunnies. |
| 20:13.00 | Seerah | with big, sharp, pointy teeth |
| 20:14.30 | TC-Work | https://creative.adobe.com/plans/offer/photoshop+lightroom That is a decent deal |
| 20:14.32 | Primer | readies a holy hand grenade |
| 20:15.05 | Neffi | wouldn't a hand grenade with a bunch of holes in it be kind of useless? |
| 20:15.24 | Primer | That would be "holey" |
| 20:20.37 | Lopeppeppy | Nope, a holy hand grenade is extra useful against vampires. |
| 20:21.44 | Primer | I guess people just dont' watch movies any more... |
| 20:22.58 | TC-Work | Lies |
| 20:23.14 | nevcairiel | to be fair that movie is pretty old |
| 20:23.20 | TC-Work | So are you. |
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| 20:23.52 | nevcairiel | am i? i didnt notice |
| 20:24.08 | Silvanas | valve/ |
| 20:24.23 | Fisker | poor nevcairiel |
| 20:24.50 | Fisker | You're still young to me |
| 20:24.57 | nevcairiel | yay |
| 20:27.15 | Unkle | I think I'm in the upper 5% of "old" people in here. You're all children! |
| 20:28.49 | Fisker | how old are you? |
| 20:28.52 | Fisker | 104? |
| 20:29.01 | Primer | Unkle: me too! |
| 20:29.45 | Primer | It's funny, last night I was accused of "bullying" someone in /1 in timeless isle when I corrected their use of "should of", one of my pet peeves |
| 20:30.13 | nevcairiel | should of? how does that even make sense? |
| 20:30.31 | Primer | We argued for a bit, me claiming I felt I was helping people when I correct them, him saying I was a bully. |
| 20:30.40 | Semlar | you aren't helping people by correcting them |
| 20:30.44 | foxlit | Phonetics, nevcairiel |
| 20:30.55 | nevcairiel | urban dictionary cleared it up, with a maching comment as well; "What idiots say instead of should have. It makes most people want to stab the offender to death." |
| 20:30.56 | Primer | nevcairiel: obviously it makes sense to people who use it. Right, they only know the phonic |
| 20:31.38 | Primer | Without understanding that it's a contraction of should and have |
| 20:31.54 | Semlar | should'f |
| 20:32.22 | nevcairiel | so you're on a server full of illiterates |
| 20:32.24 | Primer | Anyhow, this guy asked me how old I was, and I responded in /1...so yeah, end of story, I guess |
| 20:32.57 | Primer | nevcairiel: Oddly enough, most people there write very well, as it's an Oceanic realm, compared to the US server I was on before |
| 20:33.51 | Primer | Semlar: The only people I'm not helping are the ones that are "offended" when I correct them. I then point out that they're offended because they're illiterate, and choose not to do anything about it. |
| 20:34.05 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 20:34.44 | Primer | These are the type of people that will go on and on about how it's just a game, and it doesn't matter, but I tell them that they're developing bad habits, and bad habits stick with people for life until/unless they do something about it. |
| 20:36.00 | Semlar | calling people out on their mistakes outside of an educational setting is generally considered rude |
| 20:36.14 | Primer | I had a guildy that CONSTANTLY wrote poorly. This was a kid who was in college, who always told me he knew to write correctly for things like college papers. He then confessed that lately he'd been getting bad grades because of the many writing mistakes he had been making in his college papers. |
| 20:36.32 | Primer | He then thanked me for correcting him. |
| 20:36.41 | Primer | Granted, that's more the exception than the rule. |
| 20:36.54 | Dagmar | Yep. The best way to get better at typing has always been to do it properly, all the time. |
| 20:36.54 | Primer | Semlar: Well, I guess I'm just a fucking rude person. |
| 20:37.03 | Semlar | i know |
| 20:37.10 | nevcairiel | to be honest the digital world doesnt really encourage learning spelling much, since apps will just correct for you |
| 20:37.14 | Semlar | manners, primer |
| 20:37.16 | Dagmar | I used to know a french hacker who couldn't _speak_ English for shit, because he'd basically learned it on IRC. |
| 20:37.22 | Dagmar | He wrote impeccably, however. |
| 20:37.38 | Primer | Semlar: I wasn't coming down on you. |
| 20:37.53 | Primer | I just like writing "fuck" :) |
| 20:37.56 | nevcairiel | no, he was coming onto you |
| 20:38.08 | Semlar | i mean it's bad manners to make other people feel uncomfortable |
| 20:38.16 | nevcairiel | should of left when you had the chance! |
| 20:38.18 | nevcairiel | hides |
| 20:38.22 | Semlar | should'f* |
| 20:38.26 | Primer | Semlar: I'll think of it as "tough love". |
| 20:38.37 | Primer | Semlar: Someone's gotta do it! |
| 20:38.43 | Semlar | but do they |
| 20:38.48 | Primer | Yes, gotta is bad form, technically |
| 20:38.56 | Primer | Some things are forgivable. |
| 20:39.09 | Primer | Like, no ending punctuation <-- like right there |
| 20:39.50 | nevcairiel | gotta is probably in some dictionary by now |
| 20:39.56 | Semlar | it's gotta be |
| 20:40.02 | Primer | Presumably |
| 20:40.22 | Seerah | got·ta Contraction /ˈgätə/ |
| 20:40.22 | Seerah | gotta 3rd person singular presentHave got to (not acceptable in standard use)you gotta be careful |
| 20:40.24 | nevcairiel | its still informal, as most contractions, but shrug |
| 20:40.41 | Primer | In today's tech age, writing is actually becoming more important, IMO |
| 20:40.57 | Fisker | So cold Lopeppeppy |
| 20:41.19 | nevcairiel | I think i am slowly forgetting how to write with a pen, i feel like my already terrible hand-writing is getting worse |
| 20:41.27 | Primer | This guy told me in /1 yesterday "I'd punch you in the face if you corrected my daughter" |
| 20:41.40 | nevcairiel | "corrected" |
| 20:41.55 | Primer | I told him that I'd probably be doing her a disservice if I _didn't_ correct her |
| 20:42.04 | Primer | And that I correct my son and daughter all the time |
| 20:42.16 | Primer | Because I don't want them to be illiterate and appear foolish. |
| 20:42.41 | nevcairiel | insulting them even more will not make them like you, usually |
| 20:42.49 | Primer | And furthermore, his wanting to "punch me in the face" just proved what type of person he was |
| 20:43.03 | Primer | We ended up talking a lot, actually |
| 20:43.11 | Primer | and towards the end he threw a :) at me |
| 20:43.24 | Primer | And I apologized if I made him feel badly |
| 20:43.30 | Primer | As it was not my intent |
| 20:44.02 | Primer | He made me reflect upon what I had done, and I agree, there is a degree of self-righteousness in what I do. |
| 20:44.33 | Primer | Does that mean I'll stop doing it? No. I will consider taking a different approach though. |
| 20:45.24 | Primer | I honestly feel that I'm helping people when I correct them. In many cases, people who are not native speakers of English are the ones that thank me for it. |
| 20:45.54 | Primer | At one point in my life I was not a native speaker of English. |
| 20:46.18 | Primer | I'm originally from Brazil, and speak/read/write Brazilian Portuguese very well. |
| 20:46.31 | nevcairiel | can you really become one? You usually only have one native language, and that doesn't change :p |
| 20:47.22 | Primer | Well, I moved to the US when I was very young. My parents only spoke Portuguese, but my "native" tongue was American English. But then I moved back to Brazil and practically forgot all English. |
| 20:47.30 | Primer | So yeah, I believe it's possible. |
| 20:47.41 | Primer | To lose one's native tongue, that is. |
| 20:48.42 | Primer | I speak/read/write English without any effort. Portuguese, on the other hand, requires some effort. |
| 20:48.54 | Primer | ANYHOW |
| 20:48.58 | Primer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbit_of_Caerbannog |
| 20:49.06 | Primer | The earlier movie reference. |
| 20:49.14 | Primer | In case anyone was still wondering. |
| 20:53.41 | Silvanas | hmm |
| 20:53.45 | Silvanas | integer overflow attempting to store 4178766090 |
| 20:53.54 | Silvanas | that number should fit in even 32 bit int |
| 20:55.09 | Semlar | perhaps it is not a 32 bit int |
| 20:56.49 | Silvanas | yeh newcariel said lua uses 64 bit doubles |
| 20:57.02 | Semlar | it does |
| 20:57.10 | Silvanas | also lua bopt seems o understamd it just fine |
| 20:57.23 | Semlar | how were you using it |
| 21:00.44 | Semlar | a signed int only goes up to 2^31 |
| 21:00.48 | Semlar | -1 |
| 21:00.59 | Silvanas | http://pastebin.com/6uSbhPej |
| 21:01.14 | Silvanas | thats how i was using it |
| 21:01.33 | Silvanas | lua> string.format("%X", 4178766090) |
| 21:01.34 | lua_bot | Silvanas: F912E90A |
| 21:01.51 | Silvanas | lua bot out smarts wow |
| 21:03.28 | foxlit | Honestly, just send it in hex. |
| 21:03.33 | Semlar | it's too big for a signed int |
| 21:04.17 | Silvanas | so ua uses doubles and singed ints internal ? |
| 21:04.21 | Silvanas | *lua |
| 21:04.35 | Neffi | afaik yes |
| 21:04.43 | Neffi | There are scenarios where a number is an int, not a double |
| 21:04.50 | Silvanas | sending as hex will take a lot more spaces (8) compred to the (4) it takes as base254 |
| 21:05.02 | Neffi | I'm not too clear on why or when though |
| 21:05.04 | foxlit | I don't see why it would matter |
| 21:05.10 | Silvanas | oke intresting i had not forseen such behavior :D |
| 21:05.21 | foxlit | Send two messages instead of one. Problem solved. |
| 21:06.42 | foxlit | This messing with bases in a system you keep tripping over the constraints of is pointless. |
| 21:07.23 | Semlar | are you talking about sending it to other players? |
| 21:07.25 | Silvanas | yes, but its so mcuh fun tring to figure out my own sort of compression or concraption mathod |
| 21:08.37 | Primer | concraption |
| 21:08.39 | Dagmar | I generally prefer my code work. |
| 21:08.40 | Primer | I like that :) |
| 21:09.13 | Silvanas | well i like it, but other ppl probely think its crap :D |
| 21:09.15 | Dagmar | Build with API layers. Add efficiency and gnomic methods _once it works_ |
| 21:09.47 | Silvanas | neh i am major fan of premature optimisations |
| 21:10.05 | Dagmar | Well, trying something with "base254" would be that. |
| 21:10.14 | Dagmar | Much fun will be had trying to figure out what the fuck the system just sent. |
| 21:10.50 | Semlar | i think you only need 7 characters from their guid |
| 21:11.52 | Silvanas | Dagmar: indeed thats why i read it as an lua object that had proper methods/to string functionality to make it readable |
| 21:12.14 | Silvanas | and yes Semlar |
| 21:23.29 | Semlar | oh speaking of guids i've been trying to see if the vignette instance IDs contain any info |
| 21:24.11 | foxlit | ... and you've found out that they... |
| 21:24.14 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure the type of icon can be extracted from it but i haven't been able to figure out a way to identify the rare from it |
| 21:24.36 | Semlar | the npc id doesn't appear to be part of it |
| 21:24.53 | foxlit | isn't what you're doing basically redundant if GetVignetteInfoFromInstanceID worked properly? |
| 21:25.14 | Semlar | yeah, but since it doesn't i was hoping i could get what i can |
| 21:26.09 | A-KO | okay wtf |
| 21:26.10 | Semlar | i'm not really expecting them to ever fix that |
| 21:27.05 | foxlit | Seems like a fairly straightforward bug to me. |
| 21:27.52 | Semlar | who's to say we're meant to have access to the api in the first place |
| 21:28.17 | foxlit | usually, the fact that they published that API in the first place. |
| 21:28.33 | Fisker | tickles foxlit |
| 21:28.49 | Semlar | it looks a lot more like an oversight to me |
| 21:28.59 | Semlar | considering it only half works |
| 21:29.08 | foxlit | "oops we accidentially leaked some functions"? |
| 21:29.13 | Semlar | and we don't normally have access to anything on the minimap |
| 21:29.29 | foxlit | many things in framexml have been half-working for the better part of 5.x |
| 21:29.35 | Semlar | and it isn't used in the framexml at all |
| 21:29.55 | A-KO | Anyone want my Zelda digital download code? |
| 21:29.56 | A-KO | for 3DS? |
| 21:29.59 | A-KO | $40 |
| 21:30.24 | foxlit | Semlar: to me, it seems like there's far too much code there to be an accident. |
| 21:30.43 | foxlit | I might be vastly underestimating the incompetence, but hey, a man can hope. |
| 21:31.19 | Silvanas | yeh i hope base354 will become an offical standart! |
| 21:31.22 | foxlit | basically, if they figure out that it wasn't intended, everything will simply vanish. |
| 21:31.36 | Fisker | you're zelda A-KO |
| 21:31.46 | foxlit | including the events, so you'll simply not get the IDs you're trying to decode. |
| 21:31.48 | Semlar | the return values for the icon position are also practically indecipherable from a standpoint of the ui |
| 21:32.01 | Semlar | they're clearly meant to be used internally |
| 21:34.21 | foxlit | or perhaps someone just dumped whatever coordinate system they use internally into the public output as a placeholder. |
| 21:34.25 | foxlit | "we don't need this, so whatever." |
| 21:41.57 | Semlar | http://pastebin.com/4uXSWSMd here are some of the vignette ids if you're interested |
| 21:42.24 | Semlar | i don't think they were originally in hex that's just how i was storing them |
| 21:43.18 | Semlar | probably not enough to establish a pattern |
| 21:43.29 | Semlar | but i suppose that's the thing about rares |
| 21:45.10 | tardmrr | I would do terrible, terrible things for a RoS beta invite. |
| 21:45.53 | foxlit | [and you're sure that the positive ones aren't mangled by integer truncation -- i.e. they returned valid data?] |
| 21:48.24 | Semlar | not all of them returned valid data |
| 21:50.06 | Semlar | http://pastebin.com/tPwwn1ZN i didn't exactly keep great records |
| 21:50.19 | Semlar | it's been a while since i played with it |
| 21:51.01 | foxlit | so the idea is that 060014 stays static while the high-order bits change. |
| 21:51.02 | Semlar | i can say with absolute certainty that several of the negative instance ids returns valid data |
| 21:51.18 | Semlar | returned* |
| 21:52.03 | foxlit | Well, then you're off to c-land to figure out just what the hell lua's integer conversion functions do. |
| 21:53.16 | Semlar | i had these too http://pastebin.com/n63AWydD but i didn't record who the hell they belonged to |
| 21:53.27 | Semlar | i was just trying to figure out why some of them worked and some didn't |
| 21:54.11 | foxlit | It's also a question of range |
| 21:54.46 | Semlar | i thought it might be but one of them that didn't work was a lot lower than the rest |
| 21:55.03 | foxlit | closer, not lower? |
| 21:55.25 | foxlit | Range as in proximity to the player |
| 21:55.46 | Semlar | oh right |
| 21:55.54 | Semlar | i was thinking of the integer range |
| 21:56.32 | Semlar | these were all vignettes that appeared on the map |
| 21:56.40 | Semlar | so it wasn't about them being out of range |
| 21:56.47 | foxlit | yes, but no |
| 21:56.55 | foxlit | vignette_no fires at greater ranges than getinfo provides information |
| 21:57.01 | foxlit | s/_no/_show/ |
| 21:57.34 | foxlit | (or _added. It's been a while.) |
| 21:57.38 | A-KO | boo |
| 21:57.43 | Semlar | not as far as i could tell |
| 21:57.49 | A-KO | ugh... |
| 21:57.51 | Semlar | how did you determine that |
| 21:58.12 | foxlit | move in and out of range of a static vignette. |
| 21:58.23 | A-KO | I just got guilt tripped into giving away my old 3DS |
| 21:58.25 | A-KO | lol |
| 21:58.53 | Semlar | as soon as the vignette appears it returns valid data unless the server has been up long enough for respawns to break the instance ids |
| 21:59.40 | Semlar | i went around manually running a macro on them to get data and i never had it return info for a vignette that didn't return data when it was shown |
| 21:59.53 | foxlit | hm, actually, I'm misremembering. |
| 22:00.05 | foxlit | vignette_added is okay; spamming getvigentteinstanceid is not. |
| 22:00.09 | foxlit | http://wowpedia.org/index.php?title=API_C_Vignettes.GetVignetteInstanceID&diff=prev&oldid=3242022 |
| 22:01.57 | Semlar | it also evidently all works internally regardless of how the api behaves |
| 22:02.43 | Semlar | which is why i thought maybe the number wasn't being handled correctly by lua or something |
| 22:03.20 | Neffi | handles Semlar incorrectly. |
| 22:03.27 | Semlar | not again! |
| 22:03.35 | kd3 | what the hell... I've got a load avg north of 5 for no reason whatsoever |
| 22:03.50 | Torhal | HAX! |
| 22:04.51 | Semlar | if i could pull a unique identifier out of the instance id i would be able to get around the whole 'no more datas for you' thing |
| 22:05.21 | foxlit | from the numbers you linked, it seems that you can't. |
| 22:05.35 | Semlar | i certainly couldn't find any pattern |
| 22:06.14 | foxlit | the lower-order bits seem fairly constant, but they're shared by virtually everything, so that does nothing. |
| 22:06.32 | Semlar | i thought those might refer to the skull icon for the rares and that chests and such had a different ending |
| 22:06.50 | foxlit | but you're left with like 11 bits. |
| 22:07.18 | foxlit | and at least some of those are a running counter, since repeated occurrences of the same thing don't share the same id. |
| 22:07.31 | Semlar | yeah i'm almost positive there's a spawn counter |
| 22:07.38 | Semlar | and when it gets to a certain point they just stop working |
| 22:07.54 | Semlar | like maybe it doesn't have enough room to store the count or something |
| 22:08.03 | foxlit | which leaves very little room to identify whatever it is the ID refers to in the 32 bits that you can see. |
| 22:08.37 | foxlit | (s/11/8/) |
| 22:09.36 | Semlar | basically rares are the only ones that stop returning vignette data and i think it's because the rest are static and don't have to get new ids because they don't respawn |
| 22:09.36 | foxlit | in the words of Fisker's favorite politician, der er intet at komme efter. |
| 22:09.52 | Fisker | jeg har ikke flere kommentarer |
| 22:10.27 | Neffi | I imagined Fisker being more of a Vermin Supreme person |
| 22:10.35 | Fisker | jerk |
| 22:10.55 | Neffi | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d_FvgQ1csE |
| 22:11.05 | Neffi | a small taste of this brilliant man's political philosophies |
| 22:11.23 | Semlar | i may try and collect more datas, probably on the archiereus of flame since that thing respawns pretty quickly |
| 22:12.03 | Torhal | nevcairiel: My crazy alarm went off so I killed it about 15 seconds in. |
| 22:12.07 | Torhal | Damn it |
| 22:12.10 | Torhal | Neffi: ^ |
| 22:12.33 | Neffi | Everyone's crazy. I like to believe he's the kind of crazy the world needs. |
| 22:14.30 | foxlit | you know what's unexpectedly awesome? |
| 22:14.37 | Semlar | although if i'm going to collect data it should probably be when the vignettes are actually working |
| 22:14.42 | foxlit | those aggro-radius reducing shells you get from timeless isle; in old instances |
| 22:15.06 | Semlar | they're also pretty great for standing next to the guards on the timeless isle and ganking people |
| 22:15.28 | Semlar | you wouldn't think they'd work on guards |
| 22:16.29 | foxlit | personally, I would think they would work on everything short of fixed-area aggro effects. |
| 22:16.53 | Semlar | if someone tries to fight back without the shell the guards will just kill them |
| 22:18.30 | Semlar | not that i've ever done such a thing |
| 22:18.41 | foxlit | I'm on a carebear server |
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| 22:28.36 | Semlar | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/10586658921 lol |
| 22:38.20 | foxlit | is there a version of Interface/Common/WhiteIconFrame that does not suck (i.e. have gray corner inserts?) |
| 22:38.30 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/YxVNm.gif |
| 22:38.47 | Neffi | foxlit: What is that? |
| 22:39.07 | Neffi | If you need a straight white texture, Interface/Buttons/WHITE8X8 |
| 22:40.44 | foxlit | if I needed a straight white texture, there's always :SetTexture(1,1,1) |
| 22:40.58 | foxlit | This thing is supposed to be a colorable icon border. |
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| 22:51.07 | pompy | hmm so the Zenimax Online folder for the ESO beta says "size: 40GB ... size on disk: 20gb" |
| 22:51.12 | pompy | does that even make sense? |
| 22:51.40 | Dagmar | I've already done the post-install defrag |
| 22:51.52 | Neffi | god-damn people |
| 22:51.56 | pompy | and apparently the launcher said "not enough disk space" ... so i cleared about 9gb and restarted launcher and now its acting likes its redownloading everything? |
| 22:51.58 | pompy | ...... |
| 22:52.13 | Neffi | is jealous he didn't get into the ESO beta yet. |
| 22:53.14 | Dagmar | pompy: yeah my exgf said it did that to her too |
| 22:53.14 | pompy | i dont understand why its apparently downloading everything again, when it's already downloaded |
| 22:53.15 | pompy | ><M |
| 22:53.32 | Dagmar | because not everyone has learned about how to iterate diffs |
| 22:54.43 | pompy | fuck, im not sitting thru this again. |
| 22:54.53 | Dagmar | Well, so minimize it |
| 22:55.01 | Dagmar | I just let the damn thing run overnight |
| 22:55.21 | Dagmar | I'm not sitting through a 20Gb download when Comcast CBA to give me more than 2Mb/s |
| 22:55.48 | zenzelezz | ouch |
| 22:55.55 | zenzelezz | what do you pay for? |
| 22:56.03 | Dagmar | People to blow smoke up my ass, mainly. |
| 22:56.36 | Aeger73 | 4 minutes till ESO! |
| 22:56.39 | pompy | Dagmar: im on comcast and it was doing 2.26mb/s |
| 22:56.41 | Dagmar | The surfboard has a 10base-T connection on the backside, as far as I've been able to tell |
| 22:56.55 | pompy | right now its doing 1.35mb/s ... |
| 22:57.02 | Ressy | ouch |
| 22:57.05 | Dagmar | pompy: Largely I get 2Mb/s from Steam and now ESO, and nothing else. |
| 22:57.08 | Ressy | what are you paying for? |
| 22:57.19 | Dagmar | This is Comcast. |
| 22:57.30 | Dagmar | They don't believe in "hard numbers". |
| 22:57.34 | Ressy | o.O |
| 22:57.40 | Neffi | 2 Mb/s or 2 MB/s? |
| 22:57.46 | pompy | Mb |
| 22:57.49 | Ressy | I know that.. but at minimum, you should be seeing 90% of what you're paying for. |
| 22:57.49 | Dagmar | They *do* now believe that I am a nightmare to deal with, tho'. So there's that. |
| 22:57.51 | Neffi | damn man |
| 22:57.57 | pompy | no |
| 22:57.59 | pompy | mB |
| 22:58.00 | pompy | lol |
| 22:58.07 | pompy | according to the eso launcher |
| 22:58.10 | Neffi | millibyte? |
| 22:58.15 | Dagmar | monkeybytes |
| 22:58.20 | pompy | ^ |
| 22:58.41 | Dagmar | Mght as well be two mumbles per second. |
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| 22:59.05 | Neffi | 2 *MB/s* isn't all that bad. I only get 3 MB/s download. |
| 22:59.21 | Dagmar | It's fast enough for a couple of 720p porn streams |
| 22:59.21 | Neffi | 2 megabit on the other hand is aboslutely terrible |
| 22:59.22 | pompy | guess ill just delete the zenimax online folder and start over.. fuck.. i was planning to be ready by 6pm... |
| 22:59.24 | Aeger73 | I was getting around 12mb/s from ESO |
| 22:59.40 | Ressy | http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3115117965 |
| 23:00.04 | Neffi | That's reasonable. Your download is terrible though. |
| 23:00.07 | Neffi | Err, upload |
| 23:00.13 | Ressy | Better than most here in Canada |
| 23:00.35 | Aeger73 | http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3119268787 |
| 23:00.53 | Ressy | CRTC broadband target for 2015, is 4/1 available to everyone across canada. |
| 23:01.27 | Neffi | ouch |
| 23:01.30 | Ressy | Only 1 ISP in Canada offers anything more than 10mbps upload (unless on ftth), and that's Videotron. |
| 23:01.33 | Semlar-Laptop | 10mbps is the slowest my isp even offers |
| 23:01.51 | Semlar-Laptop | (down) |
| 23:01.52 | Ressy | Canadian Cable cos just started enabling upstream channel bonding on DOCSIS 3.0 modems. |
| 23:02.10 | Neffi | I think 20 is the slowest my ISP offers, and with that plan you cosistently get close to 25 and never under 24 |
| 23:02.36 | Ressy | My ISP's wholeseale co (Rogers) only bonds 3 upstream channels now - 16QAM/64QAM, and 2x 64QAM |
| 23:02.37 | Arrowmaster | pompy: i need blacksmith pages and gold in d3 |
| 23:02.44 | Semlar-Laptop | it also costs like $50/mo and it's totally bullshit |
| 23:03.01 | pompy | Arrowmaster: my bs is maxed but i need gold |
| 23:03.15 | Arrowmaster | then ill just take pages |
| 23:03.22 | Ressy | I pay 49.95+tax for 35/3 |
| 23:03.29 | Aeger73 | love my cable in Phoenix. Cox can be a PITA sometimes but it sure works good most of the time |
| 23:03.38 | Dagmar | I hate speedtest.net |
| 23:03.56 | Aeger73 | 158 down and 34.55 up is pretty damn good |
| 23:03.57 | Dagmar | We host a speedtest server here at Vandy. |
| 23:04.03 | Arrowmaster | pompy: my barb is already lvl29 and im still in act3 |
| 23:04.04 | Semlar-Laptop | without bundling, every available plan is completely overpriced here |
| 23:04.09 | Dagmar | We have ten gig fiber in places here. |
| 23:04.23 | Dagmar | Whose server does speedtest invariably put me on? COMCAST's. |
| 23:04.28 | pompy | Arrowmaster: yeah, happens if you like explore everything instead of a speed run |
| 23:04.34 | Ressy | Wanna see what happens now when my ISP's ISP disables upstream channel bonding? |
| 23:04.41 | Ressy | http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/2755351206 |
| 23:04.45 | Arrowmaster | pompy: i am speed running |
| 23:04.59 | Dagmar | Ouch. |
| 23:05.00 | Arrowmaster | im just killing everything along the way |
| 23:05.13 | Dagmar | Ressy: I typically see 24 down, 50 up here at the office. |
| 23:05.17 | Ressy | Dagmar: That was the 3rd attempt. First 2 didn't complete due to upload issues. |
| 23:05.26 | Semlar-Laptop | i have like 1mbps up |
| 23:05.40 | Ressy | my office uses 6/.8 |
| 23:05.45 | Dagmar | I do not believe this is fair. I should be able to show numbers that will give warez kiddies spontaneous wood |
| 23:05.50 | Semlar-Laptop | and uploading something to youtube sucks |
| 23:05.58 | Dagmar | We host a fucking I2 backbone |
| 23:06.16 | Ressy | heh.. I used to be on 28/1, so I feel your pain with the 1mbps upload Semlar-Laptop |
| 23:06.16 | Dagmar | I have licked it. |
| 23:06.29 | Dagmar | Don't tell me you wouldn't do that yourself, given the chance. |
| 23:07.26 | Semlar-Laptop | licks Dagmar's backbone |
| 23:07.26 | *** join/#wowuidev Venara (~Venaraa@86-41-177-11-dynamic.b-ras3.chf.cork.eircom.net) |
| 23:07.39 | zenzelezz | kinky |
| 23:08.10 | Semlar-Laptop | oo pawn stars is on |
| 23:09.01 | pompy | http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1478795-downloaded-game-didnt-have-enough-disk-space-what-now/ weirdest ending to a thread ever lol |
| 23:09.19 | zenzelezz | I prefer Pwn stars: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlveugLJygg |
| 23:16.46 | pompy | "If you are receiving an error when trying to log into the game, please keep trying! Our login servers are experiencing heavy traffic right now. Thank you!" |
| 23:17.58 | Unkle | Dagmar: I'm sad too. My new place has 3Mbps service from AT&T - my cell phone gets 6Mbps in my living room. It's terrible. |
| 23:18.15 | Unkle | I may have to breakdown and get comcast. *shudder* |
| 23:19.56 | Aeger73 | getting stuck after hitting create button |
| 23:22.58 | Neffi | o shit http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/11/id-software-co-founder-john-carmack-leaves-company/ |
| 23:24.08 | zenzelezz | :-o |
| 23:24.12 | zenzelezz | is he full time Oculus now? |
| 23:24.21 | Neffi | Looks like it |
| 23:24.35 | zenzelezz | well, this could be good |
| 23:25.17 | Neffi | At least he didn't leave id's latest work half-done |
| 23:25.26 | Neffi | He finished the latest project before departing |
| 23:25.38 | Semlar-Laptop | did he died |
| 23:26.49 | Neffi | dieds Semlar-Laptop. |
| 23:26.58 | Semlar-Laptop | stahp |
| 23:27.05 | Neffi | you cant talk u died |
| 23:27.38 | Semlar-Laptop | i rezzed |
| 23:27.46 | Neffi | camps Semlar-Laptop. |
| 23:28.12 | Semlar-Laptop | slips into neffi's sleeping bag |
| 23:28.21 | Neffi | cozy |
| 23:28.53 | Semlar-Laptop | stabs neffi in the liver |
| 23:29.05 | Neffi | i need that! |
| 23:29.38 | Neffi | bleeds out. |
| 23:30.05 | Semlar-Laptop | that's why i always keep a spare |
| 23:34.28 | *** join/#wowuidev ZorbaTHut (tocohl@maximilian.pavlovian.net) |
| 23:43.42 | Aeger73 | my co-workers make me sad... case is 4 days old and urget. 5 diferent people have had the case... They cant find the server and waste a bunch of time. took me 1 minute to find the server |
| 23:54.12 | TC-Work | One my co-workers is going to france and mentioned that he has to buy AA batteries when he gets there, and I said "But they are French batteries, they will run away from the charge." >.< |
| 23:54.32 | TC-Work | He also happens to be French....I got a very dirty look. |
| 23:59.48 | Neffi | haha |
