| 00:01.32 | Amarande | I'm guessing that means 5.4.1 is the final patch for MoP, then |
| 00:01.44 | Alram | nah |
| 00:01.49 | Semlar-Laptop | wat |
| 00:01.53 | kd3 | no, we're getting a 5.4.2 |
| 00:01.58 | Amarande | ah, good |
| 00:02.10 | Amarande | if 5.4.1 was the last, we could really deservedly shake fists at blizz over the whole parentalcontrols debacle :) |
| 00:02.31 | Amarande | (because, if they were going to do something that was going to break stuff hither and yon, then they could've waited for 6.0.1 where we EXPECT stuff to break hither and yon :) |
| 00:02.43 | Ressy | Anyone know when 5.4.2 is coming? |
| 00:02.44 | kd3 | we poked tsquared and guillotine with pointy sticks at the ui dinner about that |
| 00:02.59 | kd3 | they didn't have a time, but said it's in the pipeline |
| 00:03.01 | kd3 | hopefully soon |
| 00:03.02 | Ressy | oh! You did poke them about it? |
| 00:03.14 | kd3 | among other things |
| 00:04.33 | Alram | oh you already updated the wiki |
| 00:04.34 | Alram | gg |
| 00:04.39 | kd3 | >.> |
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| 00:21.12 | Amarande | hm, looking at mythic raiding, this stat scaling thing seems like it really is getting here just-in-time |
| 00:22.25 | Amarande | and heroic is equivalent to MoP normal. yay, Blizz, you finally admitted it :D |
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| 01:04.41 | airtonix | so they are making it easy mode again? |
| 01:05.12 | kd3 | could someone link to a random ilvl 553 mage right now? |
| 01:05.31 | airtonix | http://www.downfallguild.org/sites/www.downfallguild.org/files/images/1255981206861.preview.jpg |
| 01:05.32 | kd3 | trying to show the comparison for the new [[Item squish]] article I'm writing |
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| 01:20.40 | Sintacks | the battle.net app says there is an update every single time i change UIs :| |
| 01:22.07 | kd3 | so, an overview of the item squish based on the information I know right now: http://wowpedia.org/Item_squish |
| 01:22.11 | kd3 | thoughts? corrections? |
| 01:25.41 | Torhal | I don't even... http://www.wowace.com/addons/arl/tickets/1596-annoyance-feature-dangerous-for-the-live-of-ssd-flash/#comments |
| 01:29.15 | TC-Work | Torhal: you also said "didn't not" in your first comment |
| 01:29.45 | Semlar | that's correct |
| 01:29.55 | TC-Work | But confusing for people |
| 01:30.02 | Torhal | People are strange. |
| 01:30.06 | Semlar | when you're a stranger |
| 01:30.11 | Torhal | faces look ugly. |
| 01:30.14 | Semlar | when you're alone |
| 01:30.21 | Torhal | Women seem wicked. |
| 01:30.27 | Semlar | alright that's enough doors |
| 01:30.29 | Torhal | BWAH |
| 01:32.03 | Semlar | i could not even imagine taking the time to compare file hashes to eek out a longer life for your hard drive even if it did make any difference |
| 01:33.12 | Torhal | These are the types of people who make me glad I don't work retail anymore. |
| 01:33.58 | Torhal | It's like extreme couponing, but with files. |
| 01:34.04 | Semlar | they're clearly insane |
| 01:34.32 | kd3 | unless it's a first generation ssd, does it matter? |
| 01:34.55 | Semlar | it does not matter for modern SSDs and any SSDs it would matter for are probably dead by now |
| 01:34.56 | Torhal | No, and if it's first-gen he's been doing this sort of thing for a few years now. |
| 01:35.39 | Torhal | Though I'd wager WoW itself would have killed such a drive long ago. |
| 01:35.58 | Semlar | there are plenty of other processes that write to the drive that would be much more of an issue than updating your addons |
| 01:36.31 | Semlar | penny wise and pound foolish i believe |
| 01:40.03 | Amarande | Sintacks, the battle.net app is buggier than Silithus |
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| 01:40.56 | Amarande | I'm not even going to beta it. I considered it, then I read all the horror stories |
| 01:41.17 | kd3 | it's a beta. oh my gods, it's like the world's ending or something |
| 01:41.18 | Amarande | like people having WoW crash on them all the time since they started using it |
| 01:41.35 | Amarande | kd3: what's worst of all is that you can easily burn through your list of well crafted passwords, apparently |
| 01:41.51 | kd3 | I have infinite passwords, so no issue there |
| 01:41.59 | kd3 | <3 keepass |
| 01:42.02 | Amarande | there are people who've reported that WoW has been known to see the battle.net app (probably related to the frequent crashes I'm guessing) as "suspicious login activity" |
| 01:42.09 | Amarande | and then they have to go through the password reset process every single time that happens |
| 01:43.31 | Amarande | all I can say about the one time I've had to reset my password recently, is that I'm bloody glad I have SMS Protect, since I'm not even sure anymore what my secret question and answer *were* |
| 01:43.59 | airtonix | real men reset their password via naval mail |
| 01:44.08 | airtonix | fluff included |
| 01:44.50 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:45.23 | Ressy | I haven't had wow crash on me.. And I've been running the battle.net app since it was in closed beta |
| 01:45.41 | Amarande | hm, I wonder what makes people get crashes, then |
| 01:45.48 | kd3 | the phase of the moon |
| 01:45.57 | Amarande | I'm also not really sure if there is much of an advantage to using the battle.net app, either |
| 01:46.01 | airtonix | using windows kd3 |
| 01:46.06 | Amarande | it sounds like oh hey now you can have one launcher for both wow and d3, big deal :S |
| 01:46.18 | kd3 | log in once using the app, start playing wow/d3/sc2 immediately without having to log in again |
| 01:46.28 | airtonix | sounds like steam |
| 01:46.30 | Amarande | kd3: ahh, you mean like how LOTRO and SW:TOR have it |
| 01:46.32 | kd3 | bnet chat/friends list without opening up the game |
| 01:46.36 | Amarande | where you're logged in before the game even launches? |
| 01:46.46 | airtonix | hey maybe someone should make a launcher and an appstore in one? |
| 01:47.11 | Amarande | although that's still a fairly moot distinction unless there's something extra to it |
| 01:47.15 | airtonix | then make a console that uses it to play movies |
| 01:47.46 | Amarande | hmm. if you use the b.net app, can you update addons without having to full-monty relog, then? |
| 01:47.55 | Amarande | (since you can exit WoW to the launcher, presumably) |
| 01:48.11 | airtonix | http://xkcdsucks.blogspot.com.au/ |
| 01:48.18 | kd3 | ...no? I don't see how using the new launcher would change the addon update mechanics |
| 01:48.41 | Amarande | kd3: well, what I do know is that to get an updated addon lua to register, you have to *fully exit* the wow executable and restart it |
| 01:48.56 | Amarande | since you presently log in via the WoW executable, that means you have to go through the whole login every time |
| 01:48.57 | kd3 | I expect you'll still have to do so via the bnet app |
| 01:49.07 | Amarande | with the b.net app it sounds like you log in via that, and then it launches WoW as a child process |
| 01:49.08 | kd3 | exit wow, update, launch wow again from the app |
| 01:49.25 | Amarande | so you'd exit WoW, still be logged in from the launcher, be able to relaunch WoW and go straight back to game |
| 01:49.58 | xyphoid | clearly the launcher is a master play by activision to discourage add-on use and reduce the development load for them and increase profits |
| 01:50.04 | Amarande | the idea of being able to see friends without having to go into the game seems like a nice feature, though |
| 01:50.17 | Amarande | it would have been a nicer feature years ago, but it's nice still |
| 01:51.07 | Amarande | xyphoid: no, I was musing that the launcher system makes the situation *easier* for addon users, not harder :) |
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| 01:52.41 | Amarande | one thing I do wonder though. once the launcher is fully replaced with the bnet app, how does it interact with being able to back up a full WoW install to another drive and restore it easily as we can do today? |
| 01:52.53 | Sintacks | kd3, should also include an avg health or something in the table on the right, so you can actually see what the item squish is going to do |
| 01:53.14 | Amarande | (I'm guessing it just becomes "restore wow dir, install launcher & go" rather than just "restore wow dir & go" like now, since presumably eventually we won't be able to log in directly from WoW, as that will be passed to it via the launcher) |
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| 01:53.58 | kd3 | like in the solution table? |
| 01:54.26 | Sintacks | http://i.imgur.com/XjoTIQN.png |
| 01:54.27 | Sintacks | that |
| 01:54.45 | kd3 | I show a before-and-after in the next section |
| 01:55.00 | Sintacks | yeah, which includes everything |
| 01:55.22 | Sintacks | and only bet2ween 5.4 and 6.0 |
| 01:55.33 | kd3 | I don't have easy access to health values at the tier break points |
| 01:55.47 | Sintacks | :( |
| 01:56.20 | kd3 | I could roughly approximate... since I know I had around 4k health in t3... I wonder how far back my screenshots go? |
| 01:56.26 | Amarande | kd3: would they even still be reliably the same as they were when each was current? |
| 01:56.33 | Amarande | they seem to have tweaked HP at lower levels over the years |
| 01:56.41 | Amarande | e.g., we have way more of it now than we used to when leveling |
| 01:56.53 | Amarande | (with the downside of course being that low level potions and bandages seem to be utter trash now) |
| 01:58.42 | Amarande | like in the mid 30s my monk has somewhere in the mid 2000s in hp now, and that's probably significantly below average now too since I don't have looms on Illidan |
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| 01:59.03 | Amarande | that ... was not the case in vanilla 30s, I seem to remember back then we were lucky if we had the mid 1000s :) |
| 02:02.03 | Sintacks | Amarande, what i want is avg health of a dps when the tier was current, in full normal gear |
| 02:02.11 | Sintacks | to go with the agi ilvl |
| 02:02.15 | Sintacks | cuz ilvl isn't being swiqhied |
| 02:02.18 | Sintacks | squished* |
| 02:02.19 | Amarande | Sintacks: yeah, that's what we're wondering if we can actually figure out anymore |
| 02:02.28 | Amarande | since health has been changed so much since then, especially at vanilla |
| 02:02.40 | Sintacks | might take some deep reserched into some werid places |
| 02:02.42 | Sintacks | ic an't type |
| 02:02.46 | Sintacks | for shit tonight |
| 02:03.02 | kd3 | random screenshots. there's plenty out there |
| 02:04.42 | Sintacks | so there's 3 tiers per expansion... except wrath... y dey do dat |
| 02:04.58 | Amarande | Sintacks: probably just how they developed |
| 02:05.04 | Amarande | vanilla really had four or five, if you count the Dungeon Sets |
| 02:05.23 | Amarande | which you should, because the level 60 dungeons were considered a serious business part of progression back then rather than just a place to grind for gear |
| 02:05.57 | Amarande | probably then that means another effective "tier" (115 blue, I believe) for BC, too |
| 02:06.13 | Amarande | since heroics were still a fairly serious-business thing then as well |
| 02:06.36 | Amarande | as compared to Wrath and later where they're really just a place for you to grind till you have your pre-raid kit and the difficulty generally shows that fact |
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| 02:07.31 | Amarande | and actually vanilla did have one or two extra raid "tiers" to boot that just weren't named so (the AQ40 set, especially) |
| 02:08.01 | kd3 | I'm trying to not overcomplicate the table |
| 02:08.13 | kd3 | if you want those wrinkles, the regular [[Item level]] article will more than suffice |
| 02:08.14 | Amarande | as for why Wrath had four tiers ... *shrug* |
| 02:08.32 | Amarande | probably because they did away with progression and multiple raids a tier |
| 02:09.30 | Amarande | whereas with BC, you had at least two raids for every tier ... if they'd used the Wrath paradigm there'd probably have been *five* tiers in BC |
| 02:10.53 | Amarande | then cata lost a potential extra tier because the Vashj'ir raid got canned so it went from 4.0 to 4.2 before we got another raid |
| 02:11.43 | Amarande | Sintacks: on top of that, in earlier tiers, I understand health varied quite wildly between DPS classes |
| 02:12.05 | Amarande | since cata there's basically been two tiers of average health, "tank" and "not a tank" |
| 02:12.23 | Amarande | before that it varied a lot more e.g. how mages had disproportionately low HP and warlocks disproportionately high |
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| 02:14.48 | kd3 | locks used hp as mana, so they had a reason |
| 02:17.04 | kd3 | I've copyedited the "the problem" section... does it make more sense now? |
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| 02:30.36 | Sintacks | kd3, 350k for avg is high |
| 02:31.42 | kd3 | what sounds more reasonable? 300k? 275? |
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| 02:36.03 | pompy | http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1848197-guy-goes-insane-playing-fifa-14-destroys-the-tv-with-his-bare-hands lols |
| 02:36.34 | Sintacks | 250k maybe. and that might be pushing it. |
| 02:37.26 | Sintacks | it also depends on what youc all normal |
| 02:38.20 | kd3 | at this point? clearing SoO on normal, I guess |
| 02:39.28 | Sintacks | I think 240 should be good |
| 02:39.31 | Sintacks | looking at raidbots avg |
| 02:39.48 | Sintacks | http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Overall_DPS/25H/all/14/60/avg/ |
| 02:39.52 | Semlar | for what? |
| 02:40.08 | Semlar | average single target dps? |
| 02:40.48 | kd3 | just looking for an illustrative "average" dps for http://wowpedia.org/Item_squish |
| 02:41.06 | Amarande | pompy: heh, that can't be the first time someone's gone all Homer Simpson on their TV :) |
| 02:41.36 | Semlar | i did 335k on my last ordos in roughly full normal SoO gear |
| 02:41.52 | Semlar | that is probably above average |
| 02:41.54 | Amarande | so, one thing that occurs to me about item squish, though |
| 02:42.16 | Amarande | will it mean the end of soloing old group content (i.e., better get those mounts now if you don't want to add a 1/party size roll chance to your already abysmal odds)? |
| 02:42.20 | kd3 | no |
| 02:42.41 | kd3 | I (in the article) and the devs were explicit about that |
| 02:42.55 | Amarande | hm, so a totally unique implementation then |
| 02:43.16 | kd3 | During a Q&A session, a dev said "If players could kill Gulp Frogs on the Timeless Isle in five seconds before the squish, it will take five seconds to kill them after the squish." |
| 02:43.30 | Semlar | in my experience i do roughly 3 times as much as the next highest person in LFR if that helps |
| 02:43.30 | kd3 | the relative power between mobs and players isn't changing. just the numbers are all getting smaller |
| 02:43.31 | Amarande | I was thinking it would make it more like LOTRO or SW:TOR then (where there was never really any "gear reset" to cause the massive power acceleration WoW has had) |
| 02:43.49 | Amarande | and then I was thinking about how old content goes in LOTRO, where you can be many many levels above group content and it often STILL doesn't really make it that much easier |
| 02:44.31 | Amarande | on my Guardian (and GRD usually fare far better than most in the LOTRO case) I was in the 50s and tried going to solo lowest level GB (level 20-24 instance) and the bosses could still put a pretty fearful dent in you |
| 02:44.45 | Amarande | in WoW at that level difference it'd be cake, of course :) |
| 02:45.42 | Amarande | or in the 60s (where there'd been two "expansion lines" passed, so comparable to a Wrath character going back for classic WoW content) I tried soloing a level 32 3-man and Ivar still handed me my bum on a Mordor steel platter |
| 02:46.24 | Amarande | hmm, wonder how WoW's handling it to simply scale stats without altering difficulty substantially, then |
| 02:47.21 | kd3 | it shouldn't be that hard. imagine getting an effective item level boost of... 1 (rather than 13) going from tier to tier, with mobs scaled appropriately |
| 02:47.46 | Amarande | kd3: also without making lower level characters that much more uber |
| 02:47.51 | Amarande | unless that's just going to happen :) |
| 02:48.15 | Amarande | At first I thought maybe they'd leverage level difference based to-hit tables more strongly, then I remember they're getting rid of Hit altogether in 6.0 |
| 02:48.53 | kd3 | if players are wearing raid-appropriate gear, they'll be tuned roughly appropriately for mobs (modulo that low level scaling is far from perfect now) |
| 02:49.31 | Amarande | yeah low level scaling needs a lot of work |
| 02:50.03 | Amarande | leveling first aid on a new character feels like I'm mostly just skilling up in "Completely Wasting Mats" |
| 02:50.17 | Sintacks | |09:43:19 pm| [Semlar] in my experience i do roughly 3 times as much as the next highest person in LFR if that helps |
| 02:50.20 | Sintacks | that's what i jeant by avg |
| 02:50.24 | Sintacks | some what |
| 02:50.41 | Sintacks | are you going by the good player avg, or the lol casual's avg |
| 02:52.06 | Sintacks | why the fuck can i not rightclick report this faggot in my raid |
| 02:52.18 | Amarande | Sintacks, is it disabled by parental controls? :| |
| 02:52.38 | Amarande | I've noticed unit frames have a disproportionate tendency to get tainted in random ways from usually indiscernible sources :( |
| 02:53.11 | Amarande | like for me it seems nine times out of ten when an addon fails to work properly, it claims to be Shadowed Unit Frames, and generally damned if I can figure out what tainted it |
| 02:53.33 | Sintacks | it's right clicking hte name in the chat |
| 02:54.10 | Sintacks | I get the option for other people |
| 02:54.12 | Sintacks | but not for this one person |
| 02:54.28 | Amarande | are they CRZ'd? |
| 02:54.42 | Sintacks | nope |
| 02:54.45 | Sintacks | http://i.imgur.com/Nr8FP9H.png |
| 02:55.00 | Sintacks | http://i.imgur.com/VCW3s4C.png |
| 02:56.01 | Amarande | hm |
| 02:56.05 | Amarande | maybe they've already been reported? |
| 02:56.14 | Sintacks | I did report them once a few weeks ago |
| 02:56.16 | Sintacks | but not today |
| 02:56.36 | Amarande | hm wonder if there's a cooldown on that |
| 02:57.00 | kd3 | whee, we're gonna freeze. it's 35 and 10/22mph winds |
| 03:01.05 | fewyn | anyone know of an addon that will auto roll greed on greens? |
| 03:01.16 | fewyn | passloot used to work but it doesn't seem to anymore |
| 03:01.30 | fewyn | and i can't seem to find one, at least none of the terms i'm using seem to be very fruitful |
| 03:02.54 | Sintacks | passloot works fine for me |
| 03:03.10 | Sintacks | unoless it was broken today |
| 03:03.52 | Amarande | fewyn, it's called the "be glad you're playing WoW" addon :D |
| 03:03.53 | fewyn | hrm |
| 03:04.01 | fewyn | maybe i'm using an older version |
| 03:04.18 | Amarande | Items needing rolling on seem to barely ever drop in WoW at a rate rapid enough that auto rolling would be a real blessing |
| 03:04.27 | Amarande | LOTRO, on the other hand, every time we finish Grand Stair ... LOL |
| 03:04.31 | fewyn | try running lfr Amarande =p |
| 03:04.41 | fewyn | oh hey |
| 03:04.49 | fewyn | passloot was updated on the 31st of october |
| 03:04.51 | fewyn | praise be jebus |
| 03:05.06 | fewyn | i was using an older version |
| 03:05.48 | Sintacks | lol |
| 03:06.08 | fewyn | the last version was from 2012 =p |
| 03:06.15 | Sintacks | lawl |
| 03:10.16 | airtonix | always some luddite that don't like using addons |
| 03:18.52 | Sintacks | dealing more than 240,000 damage per second (nearly as much as an entire 25-player raid attempting heroic Al'Akir). |
| 03:19.00 | Sintacks | that's a good bit, kd3 (if that was you) |
| 03:19.07 | kd3 | yup |
| 03:19.09 | fewyn | can't wait for the item squish |
| 03:19.19 | fewyn | while big numbers have a WOW factor |
| 03:19.28 | fewyn | more manageable numbers will be good |
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| 03:20.56 | Sintacks | should also mention ra-den and garrosh |
| 03:21.35 | Sintacks | specificly, the fact that ra-den could bug out because his max health could get too high |
| 03:21.53 | Sintacks | and that garrosh has to heal 3 times so we have to do enough damage to him because he can't just have a health pool of 3billion or whatever |
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| 03:27.29 | Amarande | ahhhh, the fun of programming languages defaulting to signed integer types, heh |
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| 03:30.24 | Sintacks | i've locked up twice tonight ... |
| 03:30.29 | Sintacks | i didn't lock up for more than 24 hours |
| 03:30.33 | Sintacks | and now i've locked up twice in 2 :| |
| 03:31.01 | fewyn | i had the same issue too Sintacks |
| 03:31.02 | Shirik | Amarande: There is nothing wrong with defaulting to signed |
| 03:31.03 | fewyn | no idea what's up |
| 03:31.05 | Shirik | unsigned is evil |
| 03:31.12 | Shirik | Use a bigger integer |
| 03:31.18 | fewyn | i disabled a couple addons doubt they were the issue tho |
| 03:31.51 | Amarande | Shirik: unsigned means things take twice as long before you need to go bigger |
| 03:32.02 | Shirik | it also means making your code incredibly unsafe |
| 03:34.18 | Sintacks | one day, i disalbed everything except bartender, grid (and some modules), powerauras and something else that i can't think of right now |
| 03:34.24 | Sintacks | still crashed |
| 03:34.33 | Sintacks | did another one, without power auras. still had it happen |
| 03:34.46 | kd3 | how much damage do players deal to garrosh overall in 25-player mode? I keep getting somewhere over 3 billion damage |
| 03:34.50 | Sintacks | and i've been doing it for a while without grid |
| 03:34.53 | Sintacks | and still crashing |
| 03:38.14 | Sintacks | when I turned all my addons back on yesterday, i some how missed LoggerHead Lite.. so i might have had that disabled the whole time when I hadn't locked up once. |
| 03:38.20 | Sintacks | but, i highly doubt that addon would cause a hard lockup |
| 03:40.14 | kd3 | ok, mentioned ra-den and garrosh |
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| 03:49.06 | Sintacks | looks good, kd3 |
| 03:49.25 | Sintacks | i wish i had the actual number for how much damage to garrosh you had to do in 25 man |
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| 04:33.16 | Sintacks | k. 1 954 758 940 for total damage done to garrosh in 25 normal |
| 04:33.39 | Sintacks | (looking at a single log) |
| 04:34.28 | kd3 | would it be the same in 25h? (I haven't logged in since tot) |
| 04:34.35 | Sintacks | he'd have more |
| 04:34.38 | Sintacks | just from it being heroic |
| 04:36.12 | Sintacks | there are no logs on wol for heroic garrosh so i can't go look :| |
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| 04:45.17 | Cairenn | smoogles |Jelly|_ |
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| 05:01.13 | Sintacks | throws a cat at Cairenn |
| 05:01.30 | Wobin | hm, can someone in the US (or with a US amazon account) tell me the price of The Rosie Project by Graeme Simsion is? Kindle Edition |
| 05:01.32 | Cairenn | catches the kitty and gives it nice scritches. |
| 05:01.47 | Wobin | or even a CA amazon account |
| 05:02.12 | Cairenn | 9.83 USD |
| 05:02.19 | Wobin | ta |
| 05:02.25 | Cairenn | :) |
| 05:02.32 | Wobin | hm, seems pretty equal |
| 05:02.36 | Wobin | iiinteresting |
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| 05:03.54 | Wobin | Cairenn: Another spot check? The House On Burra Burra Lane by Jennie Jones |
| 05:04.49 | Wobin | hm, actually probably not a good example. Doctor Sleep: Shining Book 2 by Stephen King? |
| 05:05.32 | jleclanche | kd3: woo, Fedora decided to include bna in their repos =) |
| 05:05.37 | jleclanche | yum install python-bna |
| 05:05.39 | jleclanche | \o/ |
| 05:07.47 | Wobin | ah man, looks like Oz is still screwed up on =P |
| 05:08.08 | Wobin | $7.64 for that in the US |
| 05:08.14 | Wobin | $19.99 in AUD |
| 05:08.28 | Shirik | Our Price: $1,000.00 OUT OF STOCK |
| 05:08.34 | Wobin | SOLD |
| 05:08.49 | Shirik | is it so hard to code the capability to lock out sales that you have to raise the price to $1000 to stop people from buying it? |
| 05:09.40 | kd3 | doesn't look like it's hit the repos yet. neat, though |
| 05:10.03 | jleclanche | Shirik: it is when you bought the website from a contractor and never heard from him again and suddenly need a feature but don't realize you should hire someone. |
| 05:11.09 | kd3 | hell, it hasn't even hit the scm |
| 05:12.06 | Cairenn | Sorry Wobin, had stepped away just then. Looks like you got what you needed though, yes? |
| 05:12.35 | Wobin | Cairenn: Probably =) It's hard to tell with how Amazon do stuff, there might be ip pickups or something |
| 05:12.44 | Cairenn | nod |
| 05:14.38 | jleclanche | kd3: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1001028 |
| 05:15.11 | kd3 | yah |
| 05:15.25 | kd3 | it's gotta make it to the scm, then get packaged before it'll show up in the repos |
| 05:16.01 | kd3 | give it a day or two, that's the usual turnaround once a package has passed the review request |
| 05:17.06 | jleclanche | kd3: idk i got confirmation it was installable <2 hours ago |
| 05:17.28 | jleclanche | anyway, neat :) |
| 05:20.26 | kd3 | eh, I see the 'confirmation'. he kinda jumped the gun a bit. |
| 05:29.26 | jleclanche | anyone knows a good alternative to auctionlite that.. works in 5.4.1? it's incredibly buggy since the patch |
| 05:29.52 | jleclanche | i need something that lets me mass buy items and sell with undercut |
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| 05:36.37 | Mr_Rabies | try auctionator, see if it does what you want |
| 05:36.40 | Mr_Rabies | that's what i use |
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| 05:49.24 | Amarande | well there's always Auctioneer |
| 05:49.30 | Amarande | which has been working just fine and dandy as always for me |
| 05:49.45 | Semlar | i use auctionlite |
| 05:49.54 | Semlar | and.. it ain't buggy |
| 05:49.56 | Amarande | except for some reason it thinks you can't auction strange dust (I can post it via the regular window but appraiser always insists I have no auctionable items when I try it from there :P) |
| 05:50.19 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: about the Spear of Xuen bug |
| 05:50.48 | Amarande | there were various reports that if you upgraded it, things (not sure exactly what but it might have been either mailing or enchanting or both) could randomly cause it to come un-upgraded |
| 05:50.57 | Amarande | i.e. go back to its original ilvl |
| 05:51.54 | Semlar | jleclanche: what isn't working with your auctionlite |
| 05:52.46 | jleclanche | Semlar: every time i enter a vehicle ui the game complains about protected shit; and more importantly it misses some prices every time i sell things |
| 05:52.57 | jleclanche | eg. it finds sha crystals at 170g when they're at 95g |
| 05:53.30 | Mr_Rabies | oh, hasn't yet Amarande |
| 05:53.34 | Semlar | it ignores some things on purpose but i don't know why |
| 05:53.36 | Mr_Rabies | and i've runeforged it and mailed it |
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| 05:54.06 | jleclanche | i used to use auctionator |
| 05:54.13 | jleclanche | i dont remember why i didnt pick that one over AL |
| 05:54.26 | Semlar | i think it's when the prices are outliers or something along those lines |
| 05:55.59 | Amarande | I've always been loyal to Auctioneer |
| 05:56.22 | jleclanche | isnt auctioneer incredibly bloated? |
| 05:56.25 | Amarande | doesn't glitch often, although since I started playing on illidan it takes several minutes to process even with fast scan |
| 05:56.33 | jleclanche | yeah see i dont care about that |
| 05:56.34 | Amarande | jleclanche, if it is, I don't notice it on my machine |
| 05:56.37 | jleclanche | i just want an undercutter |
| 05:56.42 | Amarande | of course I have an overclocked FX-6300 and 8GB RAM |
| 05:56.47 | Semlar | the real goblins use TSM but i don't get into that |
| 05:56.52 | jleclanche | and mass-buy which REALLY should be part of the fucking default UI |
| 05:57.21 | Semlar | the default ui for the auction house is incredibly bad |
| 05:57.24 | jleclanche | we spent decades building responsive, productive and useful UIs as part of every other OS out there |
| 05:57.35 | jleclanche | and every game implements a shitty 3% of that |
| 05:57.55 | jleclanche | selecting items? that's for wankers. we dont need that. |
| 05:58.07 | Semlar | you can't.. sort.. by buyout.. |
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| 05:58.23 | Semlar | or individual price |
| 06:01.12 | Amarande | Yeah, even SW:TOR at least tooltips the unit price when you mouse over an item on GTN |
| 06:02.01 | jleclanche | er |
| 06:02.05 | jleclanche | thats in wow too |
| 06:02.11 | Amarande | LOTRO's is pretty crippled, but on the other hand, stack sizes are much larger and AH slots very limited (like, 30 max even for current and former subscribers or if you buy the max from the store), so there's not as much stuff to wade through generally |
| 06:02.14 | jleclanche | its sorting thats not implemented. |
| 06:02.28 | Amarande | ah, yeah, I don't think any MMO has sort by unit price |
| 06:04.53 | Amarande | now one thing I would *really* love to see |
| 06:05.04 | Amarande | is the ability to search statted items for a specific stat |
| 06:05.18 | Amarande | I think the only MMO I've actually ever seen that feature in is SW:TOR |
| 06:09.18 | Semlar | diablo's auction house could do it |
| 06:11.00 | Semlar | ..not that it had a great auction house interface |
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| 08:12.10 | zenzio | so Norway has a really good chess player; so now that the world championship is on, the major news websites makes headlines about it through the matches... one even had a live studio |
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| 08:17.27 | Shirik | wat http://gyazo.com/d852e950cf48e7840d715d23d1f5b2a4 |
| 08:19.23 | zenzio | I'm not sure I get it |
| 08:21.00 | Shirik | have you heard of this website? |
| 08:22.18 | Shirik | so basically they read your Facebook posts and run them through a markov chain generator |
| 08:22.24 | Shirik | and then spit out something "you would say" |
| 08:22.51 | zenzio | and was that something you would have said; according to it? |
| 08:22.55 | Shirik | apparently |
| 08:23.30 | zenzio | I wonder how much they define as a "generation" |
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| 08:23.55 | Semlar | who |
| 08:24.08 | Shirik | what-would-i-say.com |
| 08:24.21 | Shirik | btw |
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| 08:29.21 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
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| 08:29.41 | Shirik | loool |
| 08:29.45 | Shirik | this totally IS something I would say |
| 08:29.49 | Fisker | :( |
| 08:29.52 | Shirik | because web security is pathetic right now |
| 08:29.52 | Shirik | http://gyazo.com/06810b61c8797984596fdc6927090175 |
| 08:29.55 | Shirik | also hey Fisker |
| 08:30.34 | Fisker | lunk |
| 08:30.38 | Fisker | link |
| 08:31.01 | Shirik | link? |
| 08:31.12 | Fisker | that site |
| 08:31.15 | Shirik | what-would-i-say.com |
| 08:31.29 | Fisker | doesn't work here ;( |
| 08:31.45 | Fisker | what IP |
| 08:31.51 | Fisker | http IP pls |
| 08:32.10 | Shirik | sec |
| 08:32.35 | Shirik | what-would-i-say.com. 60 IN A 176.32.100.196 |
| 08:32.50 | Fisker | aww was |
| 08:32.55 | Fisker | aws |
| 08:32.57 | Shirik | yeah |
| 08:33.03 | Shirik | judging from the name servers |
| 08:33.13 | Shirik | is that restricted to the US or something? |
| 08:33.15 | Shirik | why would AWS be blocked? |
| 08:33.21 | Fisker | just gonna wait until I get to a computer |
| 08:33.35 | Fisker | I'm thinking DNS hasn't propogated |
| 08:33.40 | nevcairiel | works here |
| 08:33.46 | Shirik | I just use opendns |
| 08:33.48 | Shirik | like a man |
| 08:34.03 | Fisker | nope |
| 08:34.05 | Fisker | Google |
| 08:34.21 | Fisker | brb dying |
| 08:34.54 | Shirik | there is no dnssec record on this site |
| 08:34.57 | Shirik | it could be fake! |
| 08:36.08 | zenzio | you mean I shouldn't have handed over my personal and banking details to it? |
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| 09:27.16 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGaQky6Hh4s one of my favourite jokes |
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| 09:43.21 | Sintacks | karl_w_w |
| 09:43.22 | Sintacks | oh god |
| 09:43.28 | Sintacks | I love Jimmy Carr |
| 09:43.50 | karl_w_w | is this a pre-existing condition or a sudden revelation? |
| 09:47.34 | Sintacks | pre-existing |
| 09:47.42 | Sintacks | why teh fuck do my macros keep not saving ... |
| 09:47.51 | Sintacks | or not being saved afte rlogginb back in |
| 09:48.58 | Sintacks | i wish i could /etrace but with filters... so i could make it not watch certain spammy events |
| 09:56.11 | karl_w_w | surely you can manually unregister the frame from those events |
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| 12:52.07 | Fisker | :( Shirik |
| 12:52.54 | karl_w_w | don't be sad Fisker |
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| 13:41.52 | Torhal | Shirik: [07:32:26] Budrick: C++ is a rabbit hole. I went in blind for a university assignment and ended up overloading () on my first application. Never again. |
| 13:42.36 | Alram | hugs Torhal |
| 13:43.03 | Alram | you looked in that wizard hat Torhal |
| 13:43.09 | Alram | looked good* |
| 13:43.33 | Torhal | Alram: Someone asked me if I was Gandalf. I said I'd have to go a bit more gray for that. |
| 13:43.55 | Alram | dye can help |
| 13:44.02 | Torhal | Heh |
| 13:44.18 | Neffi | what color was the hat? |
| 13:44.41 | Alram | disney blue |
| 13:44.57 | Torhal | Neffi: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BYwj2-ACQAA6cB7.jpg:large |
| 13:45.09 | Neffi | haha |
| 13:45.26 | Neffi | Well Gandalf's hat is blue, but you're right, it's more of a greyish-blue than that |
| 13:47.03 | Neffi | Torhal: You should dress up as a pirate. I think you'll pull it off well. |
| 13:48.18 | Torhal | Neffi: Mayhap! |
| 13:48.58 | Torhal | In case anyone wants to tell this guy what he's doing wrong, or just wants to go "o.O": http://www.wowace.com/addons/arl/tickets/1596-annoyance-feature-dangerous-for-the-live-of-ssd-flash/ |
| 13:50.53 | Neffi | lord |
| 13:51.00 | AcidWeb | I will go with "o.O" |
| 13:51.42 | Torhal | Indeed. |
| 13:52.19 | Neffi | Invite him to stop using the addon if this is a problem |
| 13:52.46 | Torhal | He scares me, though. |
| 13:53.08 | Torhal | Someone who approaches AddOn updates in such a manner is surely dangerous. |
| 13:53.43 | Neffi | Hey, I fully support internet access for the mentally unstable and institutionalized |
| 13:54.49 | bluspacecow | ..... |
| 13:54.54 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:56.51 | Neffi | here, respond with this https://www.dropbox.com/s/imqs6ui0yksixkq/zpR8TsH.gif |
| 13:57.30 | karl_w_w | consonantly? |
| 13:57.47 | Neffi | It seems dropbox's web view can't play GIFs |
| 13:57.53 | Neffi | how shitty |
| 13:57.54 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/v5292xA.gif |
| 13:58.47 | karl_w_w | I liked the part where he explained how beyondcompare works |
| 14:02.40 | karl_w_w | interesting, ARL is on wowace but not curseforge |
| 14:02.48 | karl_w_w | I didn't know that was possible |
| 14:03.02 | nevcairiel | huh, you're either on wowace or on curseforge |
| 14:03.27 | karl_w_w | I thought everything was the same |
| 14:03.35 | nevcairiel | but both end up on curse |
| 14:03.42 | nevcairiel | the pool of apps is separate |
| 14:04.03 | karl_w_w | that seems odd |
| 14:04.16 | karl_w_w | what's the advantage of keeping them separate? |
| 14:04.38 | nevcairiel | there is different mindsets behind the two |
| 14:04.49 | Stanzilla | (was, sadly) |
| 14:04.52 | nevcairiel | projects on wowace are required to use the repositories for example, no zip uploads |
| 14:05.23 | nevcairiel | it used to be more of a community thing, but that has really fallen apart the last few years |
| 14:06.02 | Stanzilla | also mods used to be able to move "Bullshit" addons to cf |
| 14:06.04 | Stanzilla | :p |
| 14:06.19 | nevcairiel | they disabled that too? |
| 14:06.25 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 14:06.29 | nevcairiel | aw |
| 14:06.31 | Stanzilla | only admins can now |
| 14:06.32 | Stanzilla | or super mods |
| 14:06.33 | Stanzilla | whatever |
| 14:06.37 | Stanzilla | basicly Ackis and Torhal :D |
| 14:06.46 | nevcairiel | i was able to do that back in the day at least |
| 14:08.48 | karl_w_w | anyway, even if you ignore all the specific insanity of that situation, you have to question the guy who buys an SSD and then spends all his time trying to look after it. pretty much defeats the purpose |
| 14:09.42 | nevcairiel | media over-stressed the reliabilty topic anyway, people are all freaked out |
| 14:10.11 | karl_w_w | if you're as worried as this guy, you shouldn't buy one |
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| 14:25.56 | Fisker | hey Ressy |
| 14:26.37 | Ressy | morning |
| 14:26.55 | Ressy | way too early |
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| 14:31.00 | Fisker | :( |
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| 14:58.35 | VIad | something to cheer you guys up! http://imgur.com/gallery/NE9a2Pw |
| 14:59.25 | Neffi | hahaha |
| 14:59.30 | Neffi | I love that man |
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| 15:18.37 | znf | how the hell do you access the new RaF thingie? I had credit from the previous system |
| 15:18.53 | VIad | http://imgur.com/gallery/QpJSg |
| 15:21.12 | Neffi | +1 |
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| 15:26.52 | Fisker | pushes Lopeppeppy |
| 15:27.04 | Lopeppeppy | Meeeep. |
| 15:29.50 | Fisker | jerk game :( |
| 15:29.54 | Fisker | baited me into killing myself |
| 15:30.23 | Neffi | lol |
| 15:30.42 | Lopeppeppy | You pushed me first. Death is too good for the likes of playground bullies. :P |
| 15:31.04 | Neffi | that was dark |
| 15:32.40 | karl_w_w | friend list znf |
| 15:32.59 | znf | yeah, apparently my RaF credit didn't transfer over |
| 15:33.35 | Fisker | Well I pushed you on a tire-swing Lopeppeppy |
| 15:33.49 | Fisker | lazy port :( |
| 15:33.56 | Fisker | "Push both control sticks in the same direction" |
| 15:33.58 | Fisker | PC DAMNIT |
| 15:38.31 | Lopeppeppy | Tire swings are neat. You are forgiven. |
| 15:38.40 | A-KO^^ | Anyone know when HS is going open beta? |
| 15:38.44 | A-KO^^ | I know it's soon |
| 15:38.46 | A-KO^^ | just wondering how soon |
| 15:41.11 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/Tbasact.jpg many wings |
| 15:42.42 | karl_w_w | http://www.snopes.com/photos/accident/russiantalent.asp VIad |
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| 15:43.46 | karl_w_w | decemberprobably A-KO^^ |
| 15:45.18 | A-KO^^ | ah ok |
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| 15:57.58 | Lopeppeppy | ~staple Unkle |
| 15:57.58 | purl | ACTION attaches a staple gun to a pneumatic nail gun via duct tape, staples Unkle quite well, and hands Unkle to lopeppeppy |
| 15:58.45 | TC-Work | Whomever decided that it would be good to paint inside the building during the workweek should be shot. |
| 15:59.23 | Torhal | Ack |
| 16:00.57 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:00.59 | Fisker | free |
| 16:01.05 | Fisker | I'm hungry btw |
| 16:01.07 | Fisker | :( |
| 16:01.53 | Lopeppeppy | Mmmmm. Lunch would be nice, that's true. |
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| 16:23.37 | Fisker | I'm gonna eat dinner instead |
| 16:23.50 | znf | eats Fisker's dinner |
| 16:23.56 | Fisker | nope |
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| 16:36.11 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/onrLigm.png <-- heh |
| 16:36.33 | znf | world server going up and down like a $5 street lady |
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| 16:40.05 | Ackis | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGZ_GT-0l0U |
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| 16:46.55 | mikma | oh man |
| 16:46.59 | mikma | that man is sooooo tired |
| 16:48.36 | jleclanche | if anyone's bored and wants to hop on my minecraft server, whisp me for the address |
| 16:48.54 | jleclanche | vanilla 1.7, survival norm |
| 16:49.27 | Tomber | anyone on who can look at the curseforge packager and figure out why it still hasn't built a release of Raven from changes committed on Sunday? |
| 17:00.04 | znf | packager probably crapped its pants back then, retag it |
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| 17:04.33 | Torhal | Tomber: That'd be me. Looking now. |
| 17:04.42 | TC-Work | ~fail Torhal |
| 17:04.43 | purl | Torhal, you Fail! |
| 17:05.19 | karl_w_w | cold |
| 17:05.32 | Torhal | TC-Work: Nope. I'm not the guy who's supposed to make it work all the time, I can just make it work when IT fails. |
| 17:07.40 | Torhal | Tomber: Now I know why you weren't with us at Disney. :D |
| 17:08.17 | Torhal | Built. |
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| 17:11.56 | TC-Work | Torhal: Was that 'IT' or 'I.T.'? I can't tell |
| 17:12.29 | Torhal | TC-Work: No comment. |
| 17:14.54 | TC-Work | Torhal: Wuss. |
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| 17:20.43 | Ackis | http://i.imgur.com/GF098Yr.gif |
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| 17:29.39 | Tomber | Thanks Torhal! |
| 17:30.43 | Lopeppeppy | The glory of Lusers. How do I explain to this guy that intranet /= internet? *sigh* |
| 17:33.00 | Shirik | you could hang up on him |
| 17:33.32 | Shirik | or, if in email, send back an "automated response" saying "your message was filtered out because it was too stupid. Please resend your email with a higher IQ." |
| 17:33.44 | znf | foxlit, what was that taintlog's URL? |
| 17:33.59 | foxlit | znf: http://townlong-yak.com/taint.log |
| 17:35.12 | znf | thanks |
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| 17:37.58 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: what's an internet? |
| 17:38.59 | znf | a series of tubes |
| 17:39.41 | Lopeppeppy | That you squish bat-faced dogs into! |
| 17:40.18 | Shirik | I have to disagree with one of the FAQs |
| 17:40.25 | Shirik | really, taint log 1? |
| 17:40.40 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: I have to explain intranet, internet, extranet, uat, dev and prod to people who require me to take a screenshot of our SharePoint sites when I e-mail them about it |
| 17:41.38 | znf | wonders what SharePoint actually does |
| 17:41.50 | Ackis | znf: ECM |
| 17:42.06 | foxlit | Shirik: yes. |
| 17:42.46 | TC-Work | Ackis: Internet is a network of interconnected computing systems. |
| 17:43.13 | Ackis | why isn't the internet segregated into dev, uat and prod? |
| 17:43.15 | Ackis | :P |
| 17:43.25 | Ackis | also I think I'm getting an ear or sinus infection... bah |
| 17:43.42 | TC-Work | It is, just on the backend |
| 17:46.46 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, there is no IQ requirement to be a professor at this college, I believe. |
| 17:47.37 | Lopeppeppy | (He wants to keep the MSDS for his department in his personal file storage and yet somehow have them accessible through his web site. No can do.) |
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| 18:01.14 | jleclanche | https://mediacru.sh/RhL62SNqkg4i |
| 18:01.17 | jleclanche | watcha got there sweetie. |
| 18:02.02 | Fisker | Blizzcon is awesome |
| 18:02.07 | Fisker | "I came here 4 dong" |
| 18:04.36 | kd3 | poor jaedong, ever the bridesmaid, never the bride |
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| 18:08.12 | zenzelezz | what amazes me about Jaedong is how he still manages to keep his spirit up |
| 18:12.37 | kullervo | Has the addon corruption been addressed by blizzard? I now get popups about blocked actions but everything continues to work normally |
| 18:25.06 | foxlit | the ui team is not going to publicly address a damn thing. |
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| 18:25.49 | foxlit | They'll fix it eventually, though. This is too obvious and too loud to be ignored. |
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| 18:43.11 | Torhal | They apparently had a binary hotfix with other unrelated fixes, then decided it wasn't a priority and backed it out. |
| 18:46.42 | Stanzilla | there is talk about 5.4.2 atm |
| 18:46.47 | Stanzilla | which is supposed to have combatlog changes |
| 18:46.53 | Stanzilla | maybe they fix your shit in it, too |
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| 18:58.56 | Maldivia | hmm - I don't get Heroes of the Storm, why they called it that... HotS clashes with Heart of the Swarm |
| 18:59.57 | Torhal | Maldivia: That way, people will play ONE of their games! |
| 19:01.11 | znf | it's the same engine, anwayy, right? |
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| 19:05.49 | amro | znf: yeah |
| 19:06.11 | amro | I like how they, too, are like "it's not dota!" |
| 19:06.27 | amro | I wonder if the genre will ever have a name that people agree one |
| 19:06.29 | amro | s/one/on/ |
| 19:06.35 | kd3 | it was amusing how they had to struggle to not mention any terms |
| 19:06.42 | Kesava | well they can't exactly say it is dota |
| 19:06.54 | Kesava | shitty valve etc |
| 19:06.59 | amro | no, but they can descibe it as a dota-like |
| 19:07.20 | amro | according to wiki at least, Blizzard for the moment is avoiding calling their game a "MOBA" or an "Action RTS" because they feel it is something different.[4] |
| 19:07.23 | Kesava | yeah i suppose, i was expecting moba at some point but then the lol guys came up with that, so |
| 19:07.36 | amro | yeah, it's funny how everyone is giving it their own name |
| 19:07.52 | amro | I'm not sure what s2 are calling their new thing |
| 19:08.31 | znf | amro, it's a moba |
| 19:08.35 | znf | that's what the genre is called |
| 19:08.50 | amro | not everyone agrees with that |
| 19:08.56 | znf | *shrug8 |
| 19:09.11 | amro | oh, eat shit bnet |
| 19:09.13 | amro | Due to suspicious activity, this account has been locked. |
| 19:09.18 | amro | ^ happens every time |
| 19:09.19 | znf | moba for me == team vs. team, kill hero, get gold, get upgrades, control the middle |
| 19:09.25 | znf | and kill the oppposing team towers and bases |
| 19:09.27 | TC-Work | znf: League coined the term |
| 19:09.54 | znf | *shrug* |
| 19:09.58 | znf | do not care, shitty genre |
| 19:09.58 | TC-Work | or rather I should say Riot did |
| 19:10.40 | Kesava | amro: is it a bug or something? |
| 19:10.56 | Kesava | i got it too, but the beta client still worked perfectly normally.. |
| 19:11.01 | amro | no. I mean I am in different continent from last time |
| 19:11.04 | Kesava | ah |
| 19:11.05 | amro | but I guess I move around a lot |
| 19:12.33 | amro | kd3 / jleclanche / linux folk: have you ever gotten into a blizz beta with wine-submitted specs? |
| 19:12.42 | kd3 | yes |
| 19:12.52 | jleclanche | ya, d3 |
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| 19:13.12 | amro | ok, blizz just doesn't like me then |
| 19:13.24 | Maldivia | you don't know the right people :) |
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| 19:14.22 | nevcairiel | i barely ever get into any betas without getting keys from not-so-random sources :( |
| 19:14.45 | amro | well at the same time, tons of people are signing up for these things |
| 19:14.57 | amro | so statistically speaking it's not strange |
| 19:18.09 | zenzelezz | I haven't cared for betas for the last decade |
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| 19:42.58 | Ackis | so my wife got a Guinea Pig the other day... yay another animal |
| 19:43.00 | Ackis | go us |
| 19:43.25 | Primer | Do you have a snake? |
| 19:43.45 | Ackis | no |
| 19:44.02 | Ackis | at least she's a cutie and I think she likes me more than my wife |
| 19:44.46 | airtonix | hides the duct tape |
| 19:45.10 | Torhal | Ackis: http://northwindsjourney.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/animal_farm.jpg |
| 19:45.40 | Ackis | yeah |
| 19:47.06 | Semlar | were you planning on cooking it? |
| 19:47.25 | Torhal | Guinea bacon? |
| 19:47.35 | Semlar | well it's got pig right in the name |
| 19:47.59 | Semlar | it'll be an experiment! |
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| 19:49.06 | Ackis | she's too cute to eat |
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| 19:55.14 | Semlar | suit yourself |
| 20:00.15 | Ressy | ahh.. 5.4.2 on PTR soon. :) |
| 20:03.17 | Torhal | tosses a Treasure Goblin at Ressy. |
| 20:06.26 | Stanzilla | Ressy: any more info? |
| 20:06.46 | Ressy | http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/ |
| 20:06.51 | Stanzilla | right |
| 20:06.56 | Stanzilla | thanks :D |
| 20:07.12 | Ressy | Interesting... They're adding D3 expansion items now. |
| 20:07.24 | Ressy | guess they're not planning on another minor patch prior to wow's expansion |
| 20:07.39 | Ressy | or at least in the next 4 months |
| 20:07.41 | Stanzilla | looks like a karazhan event |
| 20:08.22 | Torhal | Ressy: They aren't; they're trying to keep on schedule for the new expansion, and they'd have to pull folks off of that to add new content to MoP. |
| 20:08.28 | Stanzilla | and that priest change is 100% a tooltip bug :D |
| 20:08.52 | Ressy | Torhal: Yeah.. |
| 20:09.01 | Ressy | Lets hope they fix some of the UI coding probs. |
| 20:09.45 | Torhal | They apparently had that slated for a binary hotfix (talked to one of the server devs) along with some other "non-critical" fixes, but backed it out as non-priority. Hopefully in 5.4.2 |
| 20:11.00 | znf | did they fix purrmetheus? |
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| 20:13.57 | Torhal | znf: I was told that's definitely being fixed, but wasn't given a timeframe. |
| 20:15.00 | foxlit | hm, maybe I need to find more names I can play the purr pun with |
| 20:15.00 | Stanzilla | Torhal: oyu need to talk more with those guys |
| 20:15.03 | Stanzilla | and tell us more |
| 20:15.13 | Stanzilla | their UI team sucks at communicating |
| 20:15.29 | Torhal | I didn't get contact info, just spoke with 'em during BlizzCon. |
| 20:17.16 | Stanzilla | should have asked for his number :3 |
| 20:17.22 | Ressy | or email |
| 20:17.59 | znf | or b.net |
| 20:18.03 | znf | or something :D |
| 20:18.16 | znf | you disappoint, Torhal :( |
| 20:18.18 | znf | you had ONE thing to do :( |
| 20:18.22 | Ressy | naw... Email's better. |
| 20:18.23 | Ressy | lync |
| 20:18.57 | Torhal | fills znf with helium. |
| 20:19.10 | foxlit | But in the great scheme of things, is there really anything worthwhile that anyone needs to say in that direction? |
| 20:20.03 | foxlit | asking things like "when will X be fixed?" and "when will X be broken?" seems rather pointless. |
| 20:20.06 | Ackis | Ressy: Miscrosoft Lync? |
| 20:20.50 | Torhal | forces Ackis to watch Watership Down. |
| 20:22.14 | Stanzilla | foxlit: no but stuff like "we're working on it" "we can reproduce that" etc would be nice to know |
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| 20:23.22 | Torhal | The server guy I talked to said they've been wanting to break _NPCScan for years but due to the asynchronous nature of the query they pretty much gave up. |
| 20:24.03 | Semlar | makes sense to me |
| 20:24.11 | foxlit | weak and amateur. |
| 20:24.17 | Semlar | they'd probably break dbm if they could |
| 20:24.56 | foxlit | easy enough, just remove realtime CLEU. |
| 20:25.29 | foxlit | and make spellcasts opaque to the UI like battle.net real names. |
| 20:25.40 | Semlar | well, they obviously have the ability to, i mean without basically breaking addons in general |
| 20:26.20 | foxlit | ah, so break dbm without breaking dbm? That is difficult indeed. |
| 20:26.47 | Ressy | Ackis: Yes. |
| 20:27.32 | nevcairiel | sounds more like they want to disable such high-volume querys like mob cache scanning |
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| 20:27.54 | foxlit | um, isn't that cache client-side? |
| 20:28.12 | nevcairiel | who knows if the request for the mob info doesnt hit the server |
| 20:28.47 | znf | Torhal, why would they want to break it? :( |
| 20:29.10 | znf | oh, I read what nev said |
| 20:29.11 | Semlar | if those tooltip requests do query the server then that would be a huuuuuuuge volume of traffic |
| 20:29.13 | Torhal | It kinda is cheating; you can't do it for nodes. |
| 20:29.21 | Semlar | actually you can do it for nodes |
| 20:29.26 | Semlar | you just lose your minimap |
| 20:29.29 | Torhal | Not without breaking the minimap |
| 20:29.31 | Torhal | Yar. |
| 20:29.35 | Torhal | So you can't do it :P |
| 20:29.37 | znf | NOPE, they haven't fixed purrmetheus yet |
| 20:29.41 | znf | oh wait, no patch |
| 20:29.45 | Torhal | znf: No shit |
| 20:29.47 | znf | :( |
| 20:29.49 | znf | I forgot |
| 20:29.52 | Torhal | nerfs znf. |
| 20:30.08 | znf | uhm, my RaF button is gone in the UI |
| 20:30.11 | Semlar | well, lose your dots on the minimap at least, the minimap could be reproduced |
| 20:30.20 | Ressy | znf: They've been having issues with it today |
| 20:30.29 | nevcairiel | kinda hard to find it if the dot is gone |
| 20:30.38 | Semlar | weeeell |
| 20:30.42 | Primer | Semlar: wasn't there a gatherer-type addon that implemented its own overlay for nodes? |
| 20:30.43 | znf | Ressy, meh... they didn't even manage to transfer my RaF credit from the previous system |
| 20:30.50 | foxlit | well, you should write that addon, Semlar. |
| 20:31.04 | Primer | I recall seeing something like that a long time ago |
| 20:31.22 | Semlar | i did write something like that where you could right click the minimap and have it start scanning for stuff but it was pretty useless |
| 20:31.35 | Semlar | i just can't see it being worth a damn |
| 20:32.16 | Semlar | pretty much the only real use i could see for it is if you were farming and wanted an audio alert when a node appeared while you were watching tv or something |
| 20:32.43 | foxlit | you could also tell me where the node is |
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| 20:32.47 | Semlar | and odds are they would just break that if it actually became an addon |
| 20:32.51 | foxlit | draw a nice red line to it or something |
| 20:33.03 | Stanzilla | znf: they disabled raf |
| 20:33.16 | foxlit | But that's really the point -- things that shouldn't work should be broken rather than not work out of sheer ignorance. |
| 20:33.20 | Semlar | you can do that if you scan over the minimap in a grid but it's not that great either |
| 20:37.04 | foxlit | or maybe you only want to pick up particular types of nodes |
| 20:37.22 | foxlit | and you're too lazy to mouse over everything that appears on the minimap. Works for battle pets, as well. |
| 20:37.59 | Torhal | Heh: http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/317/5/d/wodloginscreen2_by_martyntranter-d6u2s7b.png |
| 20:38.27 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.51 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:40.08 | foxlit | gogo battlepetradar? |
| 20:40.16 | Semlar | basically |
| 20:40.46 | foxlit | So that's pretty useful. Couple it with a list of rare pets, or even simply pets you don't have yet, and you have something worth installing. |
| 20:40.47 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:41.28 | Semlar | it colored them based on the rarest one you already had |
| 20:42.39 | Semlar | doesn't look like i have any very good screenshots of it though |
| 20:42.52 | Semlar | it was just an experiment |
| 20:45.04 | foxlit | i need more dragonkin pets. |
| 20:45.30 | Stanzilla | znf: RAF is back on now |
| 20:45.51 | znf | meh, I'm in raid |
| 20:46.00 | znf | guess I have to reload or something |
| 20:48.02 | Semlar | these are really old screenshots and the code required me to recreate the minimap myself but i think i could actually keep the minimap background and just lose the blips |
| 20:49.21 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:49.31 | Semlar | especially if you're moving |
| 20:50.08 | Semlar | you might miss nodes |
| 20:52.12 | Semlar | plus you can only move it once per frame so how fast it could scan was based on your frame rate |
| 20:53.59 | Semlar | actually i did have an idea that i never tried that would basically start by scanning everything on the minimap and if it detected something it would break it into quadrants and check which one it was in and keep narrowing it down until it got a more accurate result |
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| 21:32.51 | Fisker | night Lopeppeppy |
| 21:33.05 | Fisker | and everyone else |
| 21:33.05 | Lopeppeppy | Night night, Fisker-din. See you tomorrow. *grin* |
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| 21:49.53 | foxlit | why does my hearthstone sometimes fail to work? |
| 21:50.54 | zenzelezz | cooldown? |
| 21:50.56 | nevcairiel | the item or the game? |
| 21:51.27 | foxlit | the item. |
| 21:51.45 | foxlit | Use it, it casts the spell, I gain honorless target, item gets a cooldown, but... I'm still in Uldum. |
| 21:52.42 | nevcairiel | never happend to me |
| 21:52.53 | foxlit | twice recently. |
| 21:53.47 | zenzelezz | if you keep moving, it acts as if nothing happened? Ie. the server doesn't become confused about where you are? |
| 21:54.02 | foxlit | yep. |
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| 21:59.30 | Arrowmaster | Kaelten, and whoever else plays CAH: https://www.holidaybullshit.com/ |
| 22:01.53 | zenzelezz | CAH? |
| 22:02.01 | kd3 | cards against humanity |
| 22:03.57 | TC-Work | Arrowmaster: Thanks |
| 22:08.20 | kd3 | whee at throwing $12 for no reason whatsoever |
| 22:11.26 | TC-Work | They are a good reason |
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| 22:12.56 | Semlar | foxlit: what is your hearth set to |
| 22:13.04 | foxlit | shrine. |
| 22:13.32 | Semlar | we had trouble queueing for flex when one of our members were in uldum |
| 22:13.56 | Semlar | is that the only place it's happened? |
| 22:14.16 | foxlit | so far, yes. |
| 22:15.13 | Semlar | could be something about the zone |
| 22:16.34 | Semlar | the flex wings were all disabled except for the last one until they left uldum |
| 22:19.46 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: In case you didn't catch this at BlizzCon - http://pyz.socialgamer.net/game.jsp |
| 22:19.53 | Torhal | Works well with video Hangouts. |
| 22:20.37 | Arrowmaster | saw the link but didnt look at it much yet |
| 22:21.05 | Arrowmaster | doing work scheduling now for stuff they sent me while i was away |
| 22:21.06 | TC-Work | Meh @ online CaH |
| 22:21.50 | Arrowmaster | i moved my one black friday appointment to a different day so now i have black friday and cyber monday free to offer people and hope they decline |
| 22:22.41 | TC-Work | Or you could make money instead of spending it. |
| 22:23.49 | Arrowmaster | i didnt say i planned to go shopping |
| 22:24.25 | Arrowmaster | im going to make money either way since they get an appointment scheduled no matter what |
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| 22:26.52 | Primer | Has anyone here ever bought steam cd keys for games on ebay? My daughter wants this game, scribblenauts or something, and she did a quick search before I knew it was on steam which landed her on ebay. The price is much cheaper, but is it common for scammers to use ebay? |
| 22:27.11 | kd3 | wait until the inevitable winter sle? |
| 22:27.13 | Primer | I figure it's probably hard to scam on ebay with all the buyer protection stuff |
| 22:27.14 | kd3 | sale*? |
| 22:27.26 | Primer | You obviously don't have kids, kd3 |
| 22:27.33 | kd3 | thank the gods |
| 22:29.06 | Kaelten | yeah they've already sold out |
| 22:29.09 | Primer | there are no gods |
| 22:30.46 | kd3 | woo, I was order 98772 |
| 22:34.00 | Arrowmaster | kd3: did you get an email? |
| 22:34.12 | kd3 | yah. showed up in the promotions mailbox, not the main one |
| 22:34.58 | TC-Work | 98354 for me |
| 22:34.59 | Arrowmaster | 96594 |
| 22:35.21 | Arrowmaster | i wouldnt have known if a friend hadnt texted me asking if i had ordered it |
| 22:35.24 | TC-Work | They are sold out already |
| 22:35.29 | TC-Work | Same |
| 22:36.03 | Arrowmaster | i guess if they did a regular email they would have been completely sold out almost right away |
| 22:36.17 | Arrowmaster | so what did you put for the survey? |
| 22:36.39 | TC-Work | The same thing they are offering |
| 22:36.42 | TC-Work | Bullshit. |
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| 22:40.06 | Ackis | Primer: that game was part of one of the bundle packs recently |
| 22:40.10 | Stanzilla | Arrowmaster: are you good with adb? |
| 22:40.13 | Stanzilla | the android one |
| 22:40.29 | Ackis | Primer: https://www.humblebundle.com/ you can get that game for $5 |
| 22:40.36 | Stanzilla | I'm getting an bootanimation.zip has unexpected contents error |
| 22:41.44 | Primer | Ackis: oohh nice |
| 22:42.38 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/VEUbR.jpg mmmmmmmmk |
| 22:42.57 | Arrowmaster | Stanzilla: ive never messed with boot animations |
| 22:43.05 | Stanzilla | I didn't either |
| 22:43.15 | Arrowmaster | what are you trying to do? |
| 22:43.24 | Stanzilla | adb sideload |
| 22:43.52 | Stanzilla | this nexus 7 had a broken bootanimation though |
| 22:43.57 | Stanzilla | the logo flickers white |
| 22:43.58 | Neffi | If you want to fix said issue, you can find a bunch of flashable bootanimations on XDA forums |
| 22:44.04 | Arrowmaster | what file are you trying to side load? |
| 22:44.07 | Neffi | pick one, flash it, and you'll have a proper bootanim.zip |
| 22:44.11 | Stanzilla | update.zip |
| 22:44.14 | Stanzilla | it's the 4.4 ota |
| 22:44.32 | Arrowmaster | i would try what neffi said but that still might not work |
| 22:44.51 | Stanzilla | I kinda want the stock animation =/ |
| 22:45.14 | Arrowmaster | you could download the latest factory image and flash that first (make sure you double check everything to be sure it doesnt overwrite userdata |
| 22:45.20 | airtonix | Neffi: future reference: there is an app on Playstore that will let you import a gif to use as the bootlogo |
| 22:45.27 | Neffi | If you open up the update.zip, you might be able to find the stock animation in there |
| 22:45.37 | airtonix | i mean Stanzilla |
| 22:45.46 | Arrowmaster | and update.zip wouldnt have the full stock animation |
| 22:46.13 | Stanzilla | nah it's not there, I checked |
| 22:46.26 | VIad | americans, what is your response? http://www.digitaltrends.com/international/subway-ticket-machine-in-moscow-offers-free-rides-for-30-squats/ |
| 22:46.40 | Arrowmaster | you might be able to pull it from the full factory images |
| 22:47.36 | Neffi | Weird. The only place I'm familiar with subways (the city) has some of the lowest obesity rates in the country |
| 22:47.39 | Arrowmaster | my N7 forgot i never applied JSS15R to it and thinks im fully uptodate on JSS15Q |
| 22:47.45 | Neffi | I'd rather put those machines in McDonalds |
| 22:48.56 | Stanzilla | I'll just download the factory image and take a look |
| 22:49.04 | Stanzilla | still have to find a guide on how to push that zip then |
| 22:49.28 | Neffi | you can't use recovery to install a zip? |
| 22:49.42 | Stanzilla | pretty sure it works via ADB |
| 22:49.44 | airtonix | Stanzilla: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jrummy.apps.boot.animations&hl=en |
| 22:50.11 | Arrowmaster | you should be able to adb push the bootanimation.zip i would guess |
| 22:50.17 | Stanzilla | airtonix: I dont have it rooted |
| 22:50.26 | Stanzilla | Arrowmaster: yeah just where to? |
| 22:50.36 | Stanzilla | or does it know |
| 22:50.38 | Stanzilla | automatically? |
| 22:50.41 | Arrowmaster | it wont know |
| 22:50.55 | airtonix | Stanzilla: that's pretty easy though |
| 22:52.49 | Neffi | http://www.hongkiat.com/blog/change-android-boot-animation/ says /system/media |
| 22:55.47 | VIad | sorry for bad quality but nice point http://ss.bool.no/capture_1384383331.jpeg |
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| 22:56.49 | Neffi | Lightyears is a measure of distance, and most stars have a lifespan greater than a few million years |
| 22:56.54 | Stanzilla | god damnit |
| 22:57.01 | Neffi | Even the big ones last tens to hundreds of millions |
| 22:57.05 | Stanzilla | can't extract the contents of system.img |
| 22:57.20 | Neffi | i believe that's the kernel image, Stanzilla |
| 22:57.32 | Arrowmaster | no its probably an ext4 partition |
| 22:57.38 | Stanzilla | yeah |
| 22:57.46 | Stanzilla | can't do it for any .imgs |
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