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| 00:09.39 | Kraps | haha big cheers for "we're getting rid of the auction house" |
| 00:09.55 | Kraps | (in D3) |
| 00:10.18 | Amarande | Kraps: yeah, I'm looking forward to a return to more useful loot, like D2 |
| 00:10.30 | Amarande | the one thing I'm not sure about is crafting, especially i63 rares and high tier gems |
| 00:10.43 | Primer | people still play D3? |
| 00:10.47 | Amarande | i.e., whether they're going to reduce the costs, or whether I had better buy a few bucks' worth of gold before the AH closes as a just in case measure |
| 00:11.18 | Amarande | since, without the ability to buy large gobs of gold for cheap from the AH, costs even as low as a few hundred thousand are going to be painful |
| 00:12.11 | Kraps | hmm |
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| 00:22.21 | Kraps | i'm less interested in HoTS and more in blizz making vids with all the blizz characters like the trailer, a la avengers/jla |
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| 00:31.03 | Kraps | cool, guy who recorded the opening ceremonies had boobs in the other window |
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| 00:41.27 | Shirik | hahaha |
| 00:41.35 | Shirik | so for the Inori IE advertisement |
| 00:41.41 | Shirik | they released a preliminary storyboard |
| 00:41.58 | Shirik | one of the frames says "Michael Bay all the way" |
| 00:42.16 | Shirik | http://gyazo.com/0f3e756adabc043cc46caefd5300325a |
| 01:27.17 | Shirik | anyone here any good with dnssec? |
| 01:27.24 | Shirik | I'm having trouble setting up my slave nameservers |
| 01:27.29 | Shirik | master seems fine |
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| 02:45.18 | Sintacks | i wish that group finder they were talking about was in the game already |
| 02:45.20 | Sintacks | i need ordos |
| 02:45.22 | Sintacks | on 3 toons |
| 02:45.23 | Sintacks | and fuck oqueue |
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| 02:57.36 | karl_w_w | nearly half way through november and it hasn't rained yet at all. that's not a good sign |
| 03:16.28 | Amarande | Sintacks, which game? |
| 03:16.50 | Amarande | karl: where? |
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| 03:41.16 | karl_w_w | perth australia Amarande |
| 03:41.51 | karl_w_w | november average is 24.5mm |
| 03:41.52 | Amarande | karl: you should be used to Mother Nature trying to murder you in every conceivable way, then |
| 03:42.24 | karl_w_w | we haven't had a november with no rain in the past 20 years (don't know about before that) |
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| 04:31.00 | kd3 | whee, back home |
| 04:31.31 | kd3 | kinda alarmed that after leaving my ups unplugged from wednesday morning to now it drained 15% |
| 04:35.46 | Thunder_Child | It's not designed to be a standalone battery. |
| 04:41.39 | karl_w_w | silly kd3 |
| 04:46.19 | Mr_Rabies | the internal batteries do have a rating for self-discharge |
| 04:51.47 | Trela | They are standard lead acid batteries though. They should not drain that much on their own. It is more likely that the UPS electronics drained some power from them. |
| 04:52.10 | kd3 | the battery's probably past it's warranty anyway. I should replace it |
| 04:52.17 | Shirik | hi kd3 |
| 04:52.44 | kd3 | 'lo |
| 04:52.56 | Trela | kd3: I did the same. Almost hooked a spare car battery up in place since I was desperate. XD |
| 04:56.37 | kd3 | oh, boo. I just noticed in my taunting fisker pic my eyes are closed. :( |
| 04:57.16 | Semlar | don't blink |
| 04:59.20 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
| 04:59.34 | kd3 | 'lo 'lo |
| 05:00.46 | Fisker | I surely hope you survive blizzcon 2014 |
| 05:01.26 | kd3 | I intend to |
| 05:01.44 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 05:01.47 | Shirik | halp |
| 05:01.49 | Shirik | my internet speed is so slow :( |
| 05:01.51 | Shirik | http://gyazo.com/9a5e262ec58c0aa0d4de22a60bd30659 |
| 05:02.20 | Fisker | Why would you do that Shirik? |
| 05:02.28 | Fisker | That is bar none probably the dumbest thing I've seen you do |
| 05:02.32 | Semlar | you know they host the image |
| 05:02.50 | Fisker | I don't even know who you are anymore |
| 05:02.54 | Fisker | storms out crying |
| 05:04.13 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:04.34 | Semlar | a C is still passing |
| 05:06.49 | Fisker | I so need arrowmaster back kd3 |
| 05:09.42 | karl_w_w | how can I teach my android to type my email address for me? |
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| 05:49.15 | Amarande | hm |
| 05:49.25 | Amarande | you know, something just occurred to me that I quite wish existed in WoW |
| 05:50.30 | Amarande | the ability to see your battle.net friends list before you log onto a character |
| 05:50.56 | Semlar | i think the beta launcher lets you do that? |
| 05:52.27 | Semlar | i'm not sure, i never used it |
| 05:54.09 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:54.18 | Amarande | me neither, especially after hearing about how severe the issues have been for a number of folks |
| 05:54.18 | Corv | Could I ask for a second set of eyes here? Got a button looking weird and I'm not sure what's up. |
| 05:54.59 | Amarande | the worst ones I'm hearing about are that it can somehow cause WoW to crash inordinately often (I'm not sure what the launcher has to do with that though, unless once the desktop client goes mainstream it's going to be that you don't really run WoW directly anymore, but always "under" the launcher, kinda like the Steam Overlay?) |
| 05:55.16 | Amarande | and that people are having a lot more trouble with account lockouts since testing the client |
| 05:56.19 | Corv | http://pastebin.com/gFQevWAK - sometimes, this button loads with the texture obscured, like it's behind something. |
| 05:56.27 | Corv | Any thoughts? |
| 05:57.18 | Semlar | from what i can tell, textures layer in the order that they actually load in-game, not the order they're created like most things |
| 05:57.34 | Semlar | probably a bug created by the streaming client |
| 05:58.10 | Semlar | you can either create a frame just for the texture or possibly put it on a higher draw layer |
| 05:58.30 | Corv | That's... interesting. |
| 05:59.25 | Neffi | This problem is exactly why I created a micro-lib to handle frame's Z-level |
| 05:59.30 | Semlar | well, when you tell the game to draw a texture it hasn't displayed before it has to actually read the file from the drive and cache it, and they can take different amounts of time to load |
| 05:59.39 | Semlar | or something like that |
| 05:59.46 | Semlar | anyway, i had huge issues with my map because of it |
| 05:59.56 | Semlar | so many textures.. |
| 06:00.02 | Neffi | http://pastebin.com/ZEhbSAU9 |
| 06:00.20 | Semlar | i ended up creating a new frame for every single new layer i wanted |
| 06:00.27 | Neffi | I made this so I can simply do |
| 06:00.30 | Semlar | i didn't really see any better way to do it |
| 06:00.46 | Neffi | sometexture:SetZLevel(1) someothertexture:SetZLevel(2) |
| 06:01.14 | Neffi | While using as few frames as necessary to achieve it, and not needing to manually create them all |
| 06:01.20 | Corv | Ooh, very nifty. You don't mind if I borrow that? |
| 06:01.44 | Neffi | not at all |
| 06:01.58 | Neffi | I think it should work just as is, except you may need to rewrte softerror |
| 06:02.32 | Neffi | actually this part doesnt use softerror |
| 06:02.47 | Neffi | so all should work as is, if you fix the namespace (where mod is defined) |
| 06:03.11 | Corv | Sure. |
| 06:03.17 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:03.29 | Neffi | as you can see there are remnants in the code of other stuff |
| 06:03.35 | Neffi | this was never pulled out into its own lib |
| 06:03.51 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:04.09 | Neffi | aftr I've had my wakeup coffee I'm gonna rewrite this with LibStub and submit it to WoWI |
| 06:04.21 | Neffi | I'll call it.. Five? |
| 06:04.27 | Semlar | no |
| 06:04.32 | Neffi | ;) |
| 06:04.37 | Semlar | stahp |
| 06:04.44 | Neffi | Four it is |
| 06:05.08 | Semlar | it's irresponsible! |
| 06:05.30 | Neffi | how so? |
| 06:05.44 | Neffi | the worst thing that happens is, people don't click on it because they think it's bullshit |
| 06:05.56 | Neffi | less people use my code = the damage i can do to others is contained |
| 06:06.04 | Neffi | it's the only responsible course of action |
| 06:06.53 | Neffi | Semlar: Did you put that together by hand? |
| 06:06.58 | Semlar | fuck no |
| 06:07.04 | Semlar | well |
| 06:07.15 | Semlar | my hands might have bled from all the math |
| 06:07.17 | Neffi | O.o |
| 06:07.24 | Neffi | I was gonna say |
| 06:07.33 | Neffi | putting the whole map together like that, ... |
| 06:07.48 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/aEMtiF8.jpg |
| 06:08.02 | Neffi | that looks a tad off |
| 06:08.19 | Semlar | close enough for government work |
| 06:08.23 | Neffi | lol |
| 06:08.34 | Neffi | time to go finish making my coffee |
| 06:08.48 | Semlar | neffi it's like 1am it's not time for coffee! |
| 06:09.15 | Neffi | Corv: I'm gonna pull that code into its own library and clean it up. Give me a few minutes and I'll have something you can just embed in your addon. |
| 06:09.22 | Neffi | Semlar: It's always time for cofee |
| 06:09.26 | Neffi | Plus, I just woke up |
| 06:09.33 | Semlar | suit yourself |
| 06:09.59 | Semlar | what kind are you brewing |
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| 06:18.56 | Neffi | ~6 shots espresso |
| 06:19.05 | Semlar | neffi that's too many |
| 06:19.15 | Neffi | that's about a normal amount |
| 06:19.20 | Neffi | for my first cup of the day |
| 06:19.29 | Semlar | this is an intervention |
| 06:19.44 | Neffi | intervene yourself to the coffee shop and pick me up more beans |
| 06:19.47 | Neffi | I'm almost out |
| 06:20.04 | Semlar | i'll pick you up some cafe bustelo |
| 06:20.15 | Amarande | bah! eff you Naralex |
| 06:20.25 | Neffi | I knew you hated me, Semlar |
| 06:20.25 | Amarande | strength ring, cloth, int leather quest reward choices :( |
| 06:20.47 | Semlar | no bueno? |
| 06:20.54 | Neffi | no |
| 06:21.00 | Semlar | por que no |
| 06:21.02 | Neffi | That shit isn't coffee. It's dirt. |
| 06:21.35 | Neffi | If I can't afford at least Maxwell House, I won't drink. But even that's a sacrifice I hate to make. |
| 06:21.52 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:22.07 | Neffi | so gross |
| 06:22.52 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/sBBH58g.gif |
| 06:22.56 | Amarande | I usually get Seattle's Best or Eight O'Clock lately |
| 06:23.07 | Semlar | i usually get eight o clock |
| 06:23.16 | Neffi | Never had Eight O'Clock |
| 06:23.28 | Semlar | i have a little grinder and a french press |
| 06:23.34 | Amarande | As a chess player, I should probably favour Eight O'Clock on principle ... I'm possibly supporting top level chess a smidge when I do, heh |
| 06:23.34 | Neffi | My mother used to drink it a lot though. She says it's on the better side of the cheap stuff. |
| 06:23.44 | Neffi | I love me a French press |
| 06:23.56 | Amarande | (Eight O'Clock are owned by Tata these days, that's the same conglomerate that runs the big Wijk aan Zee tournament every year) |
| 06:24.56 | Semlar | usually either colombian or french roast |
| 06:25.09 | Neffi | them are just buzzwords |
| 06:25.17 | Neffi | Good and bad coffee come in so many names |
| 06:25.51 | Neffi | I actually need to get me a grinder |
| 06:26.12 | Semlar | how else am i supposed to differentiate between them |
| 06:26.16 | Neffi | My friend has 5 lbs of Starbucks French beans sitting in his freezer. He was gonna give them to me because HE doesn't have a grinder. |
| 06:26.50 | Neffi | They may not be the best there is, but I love Starbucks beans |
| 06:27.13 | Semlar | does he know you don't have a grinder either |
| 06:27.23 | Neffi | yeah. I told him to hold onto them |
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| 06:33.02 | Neffi | this man is so glorious http://imgur.com/gallery/BCgClHW |
| 06:34.01 | Semlar | but why does he have a wand |
| 06:34.46 | Neffi | you plebs have no concept of the finer things us highborn enjoy |
| 06:34.52 | Neffi | that's a ... cigarette holder thingy |
| 06:34.58 | Semlar | magic? |
| 06:35.11 | Neffi | yeah, why not |
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| 07:02.03 | Amarande | *blink* why do I have trillium ore on this character |
| 07:02.12 | Amarande | she's level 33 and the only character I have on this realm and I've never bought any from the AH ... heh |
| 07:02.15 | Amarande | *blink* oh right. |
| 07:02.30 | Semlar | gold farming of course |
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| 07:05.04 | Amarande | hah |
| 07:05.08 | Amarande | she's a monk |
| 07:05.23 | Amarande | picked it up from a crate while fishing a couple pools that were close enough to the zen pilgrimage area |
| 07:05.34 | Amarande | along with a flying tiger gourami I still can't redeem for over fifty levels :) |
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| 07:23.48 | Neffi | Corv: Semlar: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=22608 |
| 07:23.59 | Semlar | :( |
| 07:24.25 | Neffi | lol |
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| 07:25.48 | Neffi | the whole is only 68 lines with whitespace |
| 07:25.50 | Neffi | enjoy |
| 07:34.22 | Semlar | DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO |
| 07:39.42 | karl_w_w | Semlar, don't do what other people tell you to do |
| 07:39.58 | Semlar | YOU'RE NOT THE BOSS OF ME |
| 07:48.35 | karl_w_w | there you go |
| 07:49.35 | Semlar | also you should be paying me more |
| 07:57.53 | Shirik | can someone explain to me how an LGPL project includes a GPL library? |
| 08:01.15 | karl_w_w | depends how they made the project |
| 08:01.27 | karl_w_w | but usually it's just drag and drop or copy paste |
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| 08:01.53 | karl_w_w | larger projects might just have a system set up where they include it |
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| 08:24.28 | Neffi | can't tell if sarcasm |
| 08:35.13 | amro | Shirik: which project are you talking about? |
| 08:35.26 | Shirik | I'm taking it back actually |
| 08:35.29 | Shirik | I think someone lied to me |
| 08:36.11 | Shirik | I'm thinking about adding this to my email signature http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wdKlWXyUkc&t=50s |
| 08:36.25 | Neffi | hahaha |
| 08:36.39 | Neffi | I would |
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| 11:27.54 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 11:27.56 | Fisker | http://www.speedtest.net/result/3093368455.png |
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| 11:43.56 | zenzelezz | great, my cat is chasing ghosts again |
| 12:33.05 | Neffi | and this is a problem why? |
| 12:33.47 | karl_w_w | wow such sarcasm, much ghost hate |
| 12:35.47 | karl_w_w | looking for a housemate Fisker? |
| 12:37.36 | airtonix | looking to get sick karl_w_w? |
| 12:38.07 | karl_w_w | I'm already fully sick |
| 12:38.12 | Neffi | why, does Fisker have cooties? |
| 12:38.20 | airtonix | he has danish |
| 12:38.25 | Neffi | haha |
| 12:41.37 | karl_w_w | yum |
| 12:41.59 | Neffi | what kind of danish? |
| 12:42.13 | Neffi | cheese? raspberry? I hope it's raspberry |
| 12:42.20 | airtonix | not sure, i've lost interest already |
| 12:42.22 | karl_w_w | http://i.imgur.com/s7fHKmt.png |
| 12:42.56 | Neffi | haha |
| 12:45.28 | karl_w_w | lol apparently cod: ghosts is a "motion-sickness-them-up" because of the locked fov |
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| 14:18.37 | jleclanche | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6710916 |
| 14:18.39 | jleclanche | hackernews |
| 14:18.48 | jleclanche | proof positive "hackers" don't know shit about ux |
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| 14:23.12 | airtonix | jleclanche: hackernews love apple. if it's not apple it's bad ui design |
| 14:29.44 | airtonix | jleclanche: do you think this makes a stronger case for : login with google/facebook/twitter/github? |
| 14:29.52 | airtonix | login/signup |
| 14:31.38 | airtonix | jleclanche: http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/persona/ |
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| 14:52.34 | Lopeppeppy | snorgles all the happy exhausted BlizzCon people. |
| 14:55.04 | Maldivia | ... and what about the rest of us :( |
| 14:56.08 | Lopeppeppy | I snorgled you guys while they were gone! |
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| 15:01.00 | karl_w_w | goddammit I missed my peppy snorgle! |
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| 15:02.36 | karl_w_w | Golden cookie clicks : 224 (all time : 336) |
| 15:02.39 | karl_w_w | getting there |
| 15:03.54 | zenzelezz | so this new sound card requires extra power... wonder how long that's been the case |
| 15:04.29 | karl_w_w | moar powah! |
| 15:11.45 | Kalroth | you can still buy external sound cards?? |
| 15:14.40 | airtonix | apparently |
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| 15:20.57 | zenzelezz | Kalroth: the selection seems slim, certainly much more so than before |
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| 15:28.36 | jleclanche | "The body was never found" |
| 15:28.57 | jleclanche | classic tv alias for "The character will return as soon as we sort out the actor's contract" |
| 15:29.45 | Maldivia | jleclanche: and if not, there's always the soap way, of casting a new actor, and say "plastic surgery" |
| 15:29.57 | jleclanche | that's a thing? |
| 15:32.20 | alestane | They usually don't even bother making up excuses. |
| 15:32.25 | Maldivia | well, in soaps there are a lot of characters that has been played by multiple actors |
| 15:32.37 | alestane | Soap characters are much longer-lived than their actors' contracts. |
| 15:32.45 | zenzelezz | my dad tells me of at least two (old) soap series where they just replaced character actors |
| 15:33.27 | Lopeppeppy | I am not allowed to do the murders at work. |
| 15:33.47 | alestane | They usually just put a note at the beginning of the episode with a picture of the new actor and say "Going forward, the part of Joyce will be played by ...". |
| 15:33.52 | alestane | No you're not, Peppy. |
| 15:37.08 | Lopeppeppy | Tonight, the role of Carlotta will be sung by the understudy, Joyce Carol Oates. |
| 15:40.40 | Amarande | jleclanche, they have to change actors regularly in soaps |
| 15:40.53 | Amarande | keep in mind, soaps are the longest continuous narratives ever created by humanity |
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| 15:43.43 | Fisker | me neither Lopeppeppy |
| 15:43.59 | Neffi_ | Amarande: you sure about that? |
| 15:44.16 | Fisker | they want us to do change management at work |
| 15:44.27 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh, buzzword bingo, I win, Fisker! |
| 15:44.53 | Amarande | according to TV Tropes: "Guiding Light: 72 years, 7 months, 26 days (57 of those on television), from January 25, 1937 to September 19, 2009. It was listed in the Guinness Book of World Records as the longest continuously-running program on any medium, in any genre, until the CBS World News Roundup broke its record in November of 2010. It would take a listener over 18 months, 24 hours a day, to listen to it from beginning to en |
| 15:44.54 | Amarande | d (although the large number of Missing Episodes from the first 40 years would make such an archive binge impossible). It may be the largest single work of fiction in human history." |
| 15:45.24 | Fisker | which would be great if it wasn't the guy responsible for us needing it actually caused the issues in the first place |
| 15:45.40 | Amarande | seeing that the only thing longer is news ... it probably *is* the largest single work of fiction in human history. |
| 15:45.51 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, the documentation will show the problem. Have faith in the system! |
| 15:45.56 | Fisker | also what good will it do when I'm spending all day fixing it :( |
| 15:46.42 | Fisker | let's do stuff with no way of reverting it and without testing it first |
| 15:47.09 | Amarande | hmm ... if you consider that scriptwriting usually budgets a page per minute, that would be ... 18 months, times 30 days a month, times 24 hours a day, times 60 minutes an hour |
| 15:47.16 | Amarande | at least 777,600 pages of script |
| 15:48.36 | Neffi_ | There are several projects, that if ported to the Shakespeare programming language, would make tha tlook tiny |
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| 15:48.59 | Fisker | you know if I lived in the us, my life story would be based on falling down |
| 15:49.43 | Neffi_ | You got pissed off one day because LA is a cesspool and you decided to take revenge for your life sucking on the poor citizens of LA? |
| 15:50.41 | zenzelezz | nice, "Update for Windows 8.1 |
| 15:50.55 | Neffi_ | I feel like an asshole |
| 15:51.08 | zenzelezz | that is, "Update for Windows 8.1 for x64-based systems (KB2902864)" - removes the "SecureBoot isn't configured correctly" watermark |
| 15:51.09 | Neffi_ | I told my friend to look out for that update and get it when it came out. I got a call that it fucked his computer up |
| 15:51.59 | Amarande | heh, good going Microsoft |
| 15:52.07 | Amarande | make a nag screen that makes people think their computer is busted :| |
| 15:52.12 | Neffi_ | "that update" being 8.1 |
| 15:52.21 | Amarande | I'm glad I still use legacy boot :) |
| 15:52.28 | Neffi_ | I'm not |
| 15:52.39 | Neffi_ | efi errday |
| 15:52.58 | Amarande | I see little reason to bother to convert to EFI, especially since I would have to do a total reinstall of Windows to do so |
| 15:53.06 | Fisker | secureboot and uefi are not the same thing BTW |
| 15:53.08 | Amarande | secure boot is, well, meh, and I only have a 1TB hard drive |
| 15:53.27 | Amarande | Fisker: yeah, but apparently with 8.1 at launch, if you booted UEFI and didn't enable secureboot, you got a nag screen |
| 15:53.36 | Neffi_ | UEFI simplifies the bootloading a lot |
| 15:54.00 | Amarande | Neffi: you mean like making it even more impossible to access the BIOS if you want to? :) |
| 15:54.17 | Neffi_ | It's really awesome to be able to mark a kernel as bootable, and then drop the kernel image itself in a FAT32 directory -- and you have a functioning, bootable computer |
| 15:54.24 | zenzelezz | Windows boots really fast on my new computer; seems to be some sort of fast boot thing from either MSI or Windows, or both |
| 15:54.42 | Amarande | zenzelezz: that's a standard UEFI/Win8 feature |
| 15:54.51 | Neffi_ | Amarande: That's an issue with your motherboard manufacturer, not UEFI |
| 15:55.04 | Amarande | nice in general, UNLESS you need to get into the BIOS or the Windows boot menu |
| 15:55.22 | Neffi_ | From a Linux standpoint, EFI is cool just because of that fact that you don't even need a bootloader |
| 15:55.23 | Amarande | Neffi: actually, I'm speaking more of that if you use fast boot, it will often boot too quickly for you to have a chance to hit the right key before it's too late |
| 15:55.33 | zenzelezz | getting into the BIOS has never been an issue to me; not that difficult to hit DEL when it boots |
| 15:55.34 | Amarande | or maybe you just have to mash even more zealously |
| 15:55.43 | Neffi_ | Then don't use fastboot |
| 15:55.56 | Neffi_ | That's a vendor feature. My computer's EFI doesnt even have it. |
| 15:56.08 | Amarande | huh, I thought that was a standard EFI feature nowadays |
| 15:56.19 | Amarande | anyway, fast boot can't be used with legacy anyways so meh |
| 15:56.29 | Amarande | and, like I said, can't convert to EFI without a total reinstall of Windows |
| 15:56.37 | Neffi_ | AFAIK legacy is also open to security concerns that EFI fixes |
| 15:56.56 | Amarande | (this, btw, is a Windows-specific problem: you can convert to EFI just fine on Linux without a reinstall, worst case you have to fix GRUB) |
| 15:57.01 | zenzelezz | on another note, I love when games are many iterations into the series, but still use the same theme; only touched up |
| 15:57.12 | zenzelezz | heard it in both Arma 3 and BF4 lately |
| 15:57.17 | Amarande | zenzelezz, platformers must be your fave then :D |
| 15:57.18 | Neffi_ | Not worth reinstalling Windows probably, but I don't see any reason to consciously choose to use BIOS and/or MBR when doing a new build/install |
| 15:57.42 | Amarande | Actually, I did try to use UEFI when I installed Windows last, but I ended up with legacy anyway |
| 15:58.09 | Neffi_ | Amarande: You WILL have to fix grub, but it's pretty easy. If your kernel comes with support for EFI, it's a piece of cake. If not, it's not hard to recompile an EFI aware kernel. So yeah it's nice on Linux |
| 15:58.11 | Amarande | apparently *that* was a Microsoft issue ... I bought my Win8 at launch via the upgrade deal and still had the copy I burned at launch |
| 15:58.37 | Amarande | and according to one of the ##windows experts, there were glitches at launch with the Win8 install discs and EFI |
| 15:58.56 | Neffi_ | I especially like that if you store your kernel on the boot partition and that's a FAT32 partition, and your bootloader fucks up somehow, you may be able to boot anyway from your EFI shell, by just enabling the EFI stub kernel option |
| 15:59.26 | Amarande | as for having to reinstall Windows, that's more because of a fairly STUPID feature Microsoft decided on including |
| 15:59.28 | Neffi_ | The Linux kernel is fully bootable standalone from EFI |
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| 15:59.31 | Amarande | no, I don't get their reasoning at all |
| 15:59.52 | Amarande | basically, Windows (and only Windows) will only boot in EFI mode if the drive is GPT, even if the drive is not large enough to actually *need* GPT |
| 16:00.10 | Amarande | and vice versa, it will only boot in legacy mode if the drive is MBR (thus, 3TB drives basically have to be set up for EFI boot) |
| 16:00.12 | Neffi_ | That actually depends on your EFI, not on Windows itself |
| 16:00.26 | Amarande | other OS's don't pair things up so zealously |
| 16:00.32 | Neffi_ | I had that problem with my machine. You know what I did? I used GPT, because it's 2013. |
| 16:00.37 | Amarande | oddly, it's actually been known to *cause* glitches for people |
| 16:00.52 | Neffi_ | Stop using MBR |
| 16:01.10 | Amarande | apparently there were some Samsung SSDs that had issues with GPT, which also meant people could not use Windows with fast boot with them without triggering the glitch |
| 16:01.20 | Amarande | it was a minor glitch that shouldn't be relevant normally, but still an error |
| 16:02.13 | Amarande | from what I heard, it had to do with how SSDs provision space |
| 16:02.25 | Amarande | see, GPT, as you probably know, has a backup partition table at the end of the drive normally |
| 16:02.39 | Amarande | with those Samsung drives, you could rely on that backup table most definitely NOT being there when needed :) |
| 16:02.53 | Neffi_ | that doesn't sound right |
| 16:03.21 | Amarande | Neffi: SSDs are typically overprovisioned, so the "end of the drive" ended up being in unallocated space |
| 16:03.42 | Amarande | which the SSD controller then duly saw as unallocated space, so the wear leveling process would overwrite the backup GPT table |
| 16:03.50 | Neffi_ | The controller should abstract that away. It doesn't matter where the controller chooses to place an item, anything accessing the SATA interface it's attached to should be able to treat it just like any other SATA disk |
| 16:04.26 | Neffi_ | That's a bug in the SSD controller firmware then, not something you can blame on anyone else |
| 16:04.33 | Amarande | Yup, it was a bug. |
| 16:04.33 | Neffi_ | It would likely be a problem in many other use cases |
| 16:05.53 | Amarande | I'm still not quite sure what the advantage of GPT is when you only have a single non-system partition and the drive is only 1TB, though |
| 16:06.02 | Amarande | and I doubt I'll ever get a 3TB drive |
| 16:06.17 | Amarande | 808 GB free of 931 GB ... yeah ... that'd be space I'd never use for sure LOL |
| 16:06.26 | Maldivia | Amarande: try again in 10 years... |
| 16:07.07 | Neffi_ | Why don't you read the Wikipedia page on GPT? |
| 16:07.23 | Maldivia | Amarande: but still, 123 GB porn is an OK collection |
| 16:07.28 | Neffi_ | There are still people saying "i'm not sure what the benefit of amd64 is over x86" |
| 16:07.37 | Neffi_ | Hint: it's not JUST more address space |
| 16:09.01 | Amarande | anyway. must go to work. computer hardware costs money. :) |
| 16:09.34 | airtonix | when did this happen? |
| 16:10.06 | Neffi_ | Ah, just when I was gonna clue him in with some material on why GPT is better |
| 16:10.47 | airtonix | only noobs logoff irc |
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| 16:29.06 | karl_w_w | how do I open the computer management thing in windows other than right clicking on my computer |
| 16:30.04 | karl_w_w | and why the fuck does it keep changing my windows update settings to default |
| 16:31.17 | foxlit | - Spade is now configured via a dropdown menu that is accessible by clicking the cogwheel icon on the **/spade** window. (Welcome to 2006!) |
| 16:35.59 | Dagmar | config.msc? |
| 16:39.22 | Fisker | So Lopeppeppy did you watch any blizzcon? |
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| 16:41.54 | Lopeppeppy | Only what I caught here on Friday. I was cleaning out my basement all weekend (remember it flooded on Monday night?) |
| 16:43.25 | Fisker | :( |
| 16:43.28 | Fisker | I didn't notice |
| 16:43.31 | Fisker | Jerk weather |
| 16:44.10 | karl_w_w | windows cannot find dagmar |
| 16:44.20 | karl_w_w | insert comma ^ |
| 16:44.21 | Lopeppeppy | Pretty much. But the good news is that there was no expensive damage, other than 6 hours of using a wet-dry vac and about 20 hours of cleaning up all sorts of stuff we threw around to get it out of the flood tides. |
| 16:44.45 | Lopeppeppy | We threw out surprisingly little that was damaged. Mostly stuff we should have gotten rid of BEFORE anyway. :) |
| 16:45.08 | Fisker | so it was more of a "Get back to work"-storm? |
| 16:45.33 | Neffi | Why me? |
| 16:46.13 | Neffi | Somebody needa some junk HTML rewritten that they apparently generated out of MS Word or some such crap. I asked for a copy of the existing code so I can get an idea of what's involved, because they need a time estimate soon... |
| 16:46.17 | Lopeppeppy | More of a "someone left the spigot open and it seeped through the foundation" than a storm. But yeah, if you keep your basement clean and keep your shit off the floor, an inch of water is not a big deal. |
| 16:46.20 | Neffi | they sent me a screenshot of the code opened up in notepad |
| 16:46.51 | nicoli_s | Neffi: ouch |
| 16:46.51 | Lopeppeppy | Oh god, Neffi. /wrists |
| 16:47.18 | Fisker | oh ok Lopeppeppy :P |
| 16:47.29 | Fisker | http://www.speedtest.net/result/3093368455.png <-look at my internets wee |
| 16:48.24 | Lopeppeppy | Love this stuff for storage - http://www.amazon.com/Whitmor-6060-322-Supreme-4-Tier-Shelving/dp/B0007MHD1K/ |
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| 17:00.47 | airtonix | looks kinda flimsy |
| 17:01.36 | Fisker | hey Arrow|phone |
| 17:01.37 | Fisker | finally |
| 17:01.43 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/k6xAEmT.jpg |
| 17:01.45 | Fisker | I' |
| 17:01.47 | Arrow|phone | I'm ready to come home now, on the plane waiting to push off from the gate |
| 17:01.52 | Fisker | I've been waiting days for this day |
| 17:01.52 | Fisker | DAYS |
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| 17:02.09 | airtonix | looks like you have time to grow up then |
| 17:02.13 | Arrow|phone | Lol when did they arrive |
| 17:02.55 | Fisker | saturday |
| 17:03.08 | Fisker | one day airtonix |
| 17:03.37 | airtonix | so you bought some nexus 4s and they arrived in nexus 5 boxen? |
| 17:03.46 | airtonix | i'd be mad |
| 17:03.48 | Fisker | nope airtonix |
| 17:03.52 | Fisker | also C&D |
| 17:04.23 | airtonix | oh ok |
| 17:04.40 | airtonix | i usually don't pay cash for delivery |
| 17:06.13 | mikma | Cock & Dick |
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| 17:17.46 | mikma | GAH. 4 more days until i can play my http://store.steampowered.com/app/249130/ ! |
| 17:18.46 | nicoli_s | i think i might pick that up |
| 17:18.50 | nicoli_s | read really good reviews of it |
| 17:18.57 | nicoli_s | and the kid my wife babysits would love it |
| 17:19.31 | mikma | it was on sale couple of weeks ago and i bought it, only to realize it's not open in EU yet |
| 17:24.12 | mikma | pff. should not have watched that. stupid review contained tons of spoilers. |
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| 18:13.14 | Shirik | Quarantined by Spam keyword policy (due to content: '.co.uk') |
| 18:13.20 | Shirik | That has got to be the stupidest spam policy ever invented |
| 18:13.50 | amro | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:14.18 | karl_w_w | maybe they don't want people linking? |
| 18:14.53 | Fisker | nah amro |
| 18:14.56 | Fisker | t-dialin.net |
| 18:15.00 | Fisker | and .de |
| 18:15.33 | amro | I was referring to the monty python bit |
| 18:22.24 | cogwheel | what do you mean "ouehhh" |
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| 19:29.10 | kd3 | gah, after not looking at anything work related since tuesday afternoon I've got so much to catch up on |
| 19:33.45 | Tuller | hurray holiday |
| 19:34.10 | Lopeppeppy | You gonna play, you gonna pay, kd3. :P |
| 19:34.29 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/TfTgEDN |
| 19:36.42 | Neffi | So today I learned Nebraska has a book award for children called: Golden Sower Award |
| 19:37.06 | Lopeppeppy | I read that wronglyful. |
| 19:37.19 | Neffi | So did I when I was fixing up this HTML |
| 19:37.39 | Lopeppeppy | Which is painful on the eyes anyway.... |
| 19:37.52 | Neffi | money's money |
| 19:38.15 | amro | are you still talking about the html? |
| 19:38.36 | Neffi | I just finished it |
| 19:39.20 | amro | that's not what I meant. probably a good thing you didn't get what I meant |
| 19:39.21 | Lopeppeppy | This department has a web page for their friggin' freezer. *rolls eyes* |
| 19:39.47 | Lopeppeppy | amro, use eye protection for both! |
| 19:39.49 | amro | Lopeppeppy: if it lists the current contents, I'd like one too |
| 19:40.04 | Lopeppeppy | amro, this is a biology freezer, you don't want the contents. |
| 19:40.08 | kd3 | lope, the next step of HTCPCP? |
| 19:40.19 | kd3 | http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2324.txt |
| 19:40.56 | Dagmar | Note the date on the RFC |
| 19:41.31 | Lopeppeppy | Nope, cold storage "technology". |
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| 19:41.57 | Lopeppeppy | And temperature probes! |
| 19:44.07 | mikma | analprobes |
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| 19:52.04 | Fisker | my fingers kd3 |
| 19:52.13 | Fisker | they're cold |
| 19:52.15 | pompy | rawr |
| 19:52.47 | Fisker | my rawr isn't cold |
| 19:53.36 | foxlit | It's addon-update-Monday: http://townlong-yak.com/opie/ http://townlong-yak.com/spade/ http://townlong-yak.com/forward/ |
| 19:54.08 | Fisker | are you destroying wow again? |
| 19:55.38 | Neffi | foxlit's always destroying WoW |
| 19:55.40 | foxlit | it's all part of my devious ploy to collect your taint.logs. |
| 19:55.54 | mikma | that's horrible |
| 19:55.56 | Neffi | taint.logs? |
| 19:55.57 | foxlit | speaking of, please upload some: http://townlong-yak.com/taint.log/ |
| 19:56.09 | mikma | not happy about the collecting either |
| 19:56.45 | Neffi | foxlit: The requested URL /taint.log/handle.php was not found on this server. |
| 19:56.55 | Semlar | HANDLE IT |
| 19:57.07 | mikma | FFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU |
| 19:57.17 | foxlit | that is, um, horrible? |
| 19:58.03 | Neffi | +1 fir that old ass reference |
| 19:58.16 | Semlar | but but the action is thanks.html |
| 19:58.29 | Semlar | how did you break this neffi |
| 19:58.40 | Neffi | im neffi :3 |
| 19:58.41 | Neffi | i breaks all |
| 20:00.34 | mikma | https://www.humblebundle.com/store |
| 20:01.43 | Semlar | i was wondering if i could use a secure handler to resize a nameplate when it gets shown |
| 20:02.05 | Semlar | i know it wouldn't work for anything created after you got into combat though |
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| 20:08.40 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/81ocluB.gif |
| 20:12.35 | Tuller | bah, toilet handle broke |
| 20:17.45 | mikma | and i hope you are stuck in |
| 20:36.25 | foxlit | Okay, Neffi, I think I've kicked the right robot now. |
| 20:36.51 | foxlit | So to repeat: foxlit: speaking of, please upload some [taint.logs]: http://townlong-yak.com/taint.log/ |
| 20:38.46 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/6jMwVc0.gif |
| 20:39.22 | TC-Work | stronk turtle. |
| 20:39.50 | Neffi | foxlit: Is your script trying to verify that the contents of taint.log are an actual log file? |
| 20:41.29 | Neffi | if not, it's still broken |
| 20:42.47 | foxlit | science demands you feed it a proper taint.log? :) |
| 20:43.42 | Neffi | oh ok =( |
| 20:43.48 | foxlit | but yes, it does do some validation to make sure you aren't piping /dev/random into it or something. |
| 20:44.59 | Neffi | not /dev/random |
| 20:45.02 | Neffi | just, "hai foxlit :3" |
| 20:45.36 | Dagmar | I'd be more concerned about sanity checking the supplied filename |
| 20:47.20 | foxlit | that is generally not an issue. |
| 20:47.43 | pompy | TC-Work: didnt make it to the ui dinner? |
| 20:48.06 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/NFR1Ydk.jpg? |
| 20:48.57 | Semlar | FAKE |
| 20:49.39 | TC-Work | pompy: Nope, had to work. Hell I worked sat and sun no less. |
| 20:54.14 | pompy | dang :\ |
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| 22:04.51 | Mr_Rabies | they really need to let the scroll of resurrection and recruit-a-friend rewards just let you use the same system |
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| 22:07.39 | Mr_Rabies | i don't really do scroll of resurrections anymore because i have the current mount |
| 22:08.07 | Layke | Anyone worked with the wow API for auction house on EU? I'm trying to get auction information for server azjol nerub. But it jsut says error. |
| 22:08.55 | Layke | US - http://us.battle.net/api/wow/auction/data/azjolnerub |
| 22:08.57 | Layke | EU - http://eu.battle.net/api/wow/auction/data/azjolnerub |
| 22:09.48 | kd3 | not seeing issues here? the us a-n link points to the right json file on the server, which is working fine |
| 22:09.50 | Layke | Actually, "Internel Error" probabaly does mean internal error. I just realised, that typing <radjhjakshdjkahd> as the realm name, returns "Realm not found" so the API for that realm is probabaly just failing at the moment. |
| 22:09.59 | Layke | kd3, Yeah US works fine. |
| 22:10.04 | Layke | kd3, EU was "Internal Error? |
| 22:10.26 | kd3 | well, it's a problem on blizz's side. you'll have to wait until they sort it out |
| 22:10.34 | Layke | Yeah. Appears so. :) Cool |
| 22:10.49 | Mr_Rabies | seems like that realm's got an issue |
| 22:11.00 | Mr_Rabies | http://eu.battle.net/api/wow/auction/data/aggramar |
| 22:12.37 | Layke | I was thinking about writing a AH data/analysis cruncher for my own purposes... if I had questions and things about creating addons since this is my first time, is this the best channel? |
| 22:12.50 | Layke | I just joined a random channel I found on google. :) |
| 22:12.52 | kd3 | for in-game addons, sure |
| 22:13.23 | Layke | Yeah. Will need to learn where to start. First though :) |
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| 22:13.39 | Layke | Been a webdev for last 10 years, and fancied a little side project. |
| 22:14.02 | kd3 | just a forewarning, the auction api in wow is... complex and full of pitfalls |
| 22:14.06 | kd3 | have you looked at the auctioneer addon? if there's something that it's not doing, you can start from there |
| 22:14.15 | Layke | kd3, Yeah auctioneer is great. |
| 22:14.41 | Layke | kd3, I'm looking for something that benefits my strange setup. |
| 22:14.48 | Layke | I multibox, and play cross faction,. |
| 22:15.11 | Layke | Currently, I manually research items that are highly liquid and transfer cross faction through neutral AH. |
| 22:15.24 | Semlar | gold seller |
| 22:15.29 | Layke | It's time consuming, but worked very well. |
| 22:15.43 | Layke | Semlar, No? I don't even have an active wow account at the moment. |
| 22:15.52 | Layke | multibox !== gold seller. |
| 22:20.01 | Mr_Rabies | Layke, the undermine journal might be a useful resource |
| 22:20.17 | Layke | Mr_Rabies, Yup. I'm looking at it now. Is that the best one? I've never seen any of these. |
| 22:20.25 | Semlar | blizzard implemented a much easier way to transfer gold between servers and factions than the auction house |
| 22:20.35 | Layke | So it's all new to me. :) |
| 22:21.02 | Mr_Rabies | TUJ is an online resource that reads the auction API data and also has an ingame addon |
| 22:21.02 | Semlar | since battle pets are shared across every character on your account |
| 22:21.14 | Semlar | you can just cage and sell them |
| 22:21.20 | Layke | Semlar, Yeah, but I don't do it to transfer gold. I would buy ore that is 70% of the price on horde side.. transfer to alliance (Where all my chars are), and then I'd prospect the crap out of them all. And cut+transute etc. |
| 22:21.48 | Layke | The hard part would then be finding stuff that is equally valuable on the alliance side that can get good markup on the horde side and is liquid enough to sell quickly |
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| 22:28.34 | Mr_Rabies | lol, just got my dk to 90 yesterday and |
| 22:28.36 | Mr_Rabies | his gear is hilarious |
| 22:28.48 | Mr_Rabies | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/llane/ryoma/advanced |
| 22:29.06 | Mr_Rabies | just replaced trinket with the 496 timeless one |
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| 22:34.55 | pompy | Stanzilla: http://blog.malwarebytes.org/cyber-crime/2013/11/a-nefarious-use-of-google-drive-to-load-malicious-redirects/ |
| 22:35.00 | Semlar | you did not pass the character audit |
| 22:35.49 | Mr_Rabies | considerably |
| 22:35.50 | Mr_Rabies | :p |
| 22:36.12 | Stanzilla | pompy: NICE |
| 22:36.46 | pompy | iknorite |
| 22:36.52 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies, you never replaced your cata tier chest? :) |
| 22:36.58 | Mr_Rabies | nope |
| 22:37.01 | Mr_Rabies | didn't get an upgrade |
| 22:37.13 | Mr_Rabies | consider i spent my last 3 levels grinding the same mob group on timeless isle |
| 22:37.31 | Mr_Rabies | at about 15 million exp/hour |
| 22:37.44 | Semlar | how did you even kill anything on the isle |
| 22:37.53 | Mr_Rabies | there's some worms with like |
| 22:37.54 | Mr_Rabies | 78k hp |
| 22:38.03 | Mr_Rabies | that are in groups of 10 |
| 22:38.22 | Mr_Rabies | aoe them down, get about half a million exp or so |
| 22:38.55 | Semlar | i see |
| 22:39.34 | Mr_Rabies | probably the best way to level now |
| 22:39.41 | Mr_Rabies | unless you really like doing quests |
| 22:39.49 | Mr_Rabies | i'm personally pretty much done with them, and i used to love questing |
| 22:40.02 | Mr_Rabies | dailies made them a chore |
| 22:40.48 | Amarande | yeah, I have to make sure not to do too many factions at a time anymore |
| 22:40.51 | Amarande | otherwise I burn out on dailies |
| 22:42.29 | Mr_Rabies | i'm beyond burned out |
| 22:42.36 | Mr_Rabies | i don't do them anymore on any character |
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| 22:42.43 | Mr_Rabies | i probably won't for a long while |
| 22:43.02 | Mr_Rabies | they burned me out entirely during tbc to the point that i quit playing until late wotlk |
| 22:43.35 | Mr_Rabies | and then MoP came and brought them back with a vengeance |
| 22:44.47 | Neffi | So you guys think this new dedicated PvP zone will actually be successful this time around? |
| 22:45.23 | Stanzilla | only if it is without a queue and lag |
| 22:45.31 | Neffi | Towers and Halaa in BC, Wintergrasp in WLK, TB in Cata, Krasarang in MoP. I mean, WG was fun, but the others IME were a lost cause. |
| 22:45.39 | Mr_Rabies | the goal is to be like old AV, neffi |
| 22:45.56 | xyphoid | putting dailies in them kind of wrecked TB/Krasarang |
| 22:45.58 | Neffi | It seems like every time they want to expand PvP and diverge from the eSports model, they don't give it their all or just fail |
| 22:46.03 | Mr_Rabies | 24/7, faction balanced, no queueing, no "end" to the battle |
| 22:46.10 | Neffi | I hope they do |
| 22:46.13 | xyphoid | I remember wintergrasp fondly |
| 22:46.17 | Mr_Rabies | just timeless isle-style goals that pop up occasionally |
| 22:46.22 | Mr_Rabies | that are pvp focused |
| 22:46.23 | Neffi | If it turns into the types of battles AV used to have, I would resub |
| 22:46.30 | Mr_Rabies | that's their goal |
| 22:46.36 | Neffi | I liked WG too, but it didn't have staying power late into the xpac |
| 22:46.48 | Mr_Rabies | you can raze bases |
| 22:46.54 | Mr_Rabies | but i think people can work to rebuild them, too |
| 22:47.01 | Neffi | We'll see how it goes |
| 22:47.02 | Mr_Rabies | so it's cyclical and has no real end |
| 22:47.11 | Mr_Rabies | oh |
| 22:47.14 | Mr_Rabies | and it's cross-realm |
| 22:47.19 | Neffi | From what I read on Wowhead's news article, it sounds like their response to ESO's Cyrodil mechanic |
| 22:47.54 | Mr_Rabies | they're working on pairing the severs pretty equally between alliance and horde |
| 22:48.14 | Mr_Rabies | so you'll probably have some pve realms against pvp realms since most pvp realms are all horde, and most pve realms are all allianec |
| 22:48.19 | Mr_Rabies | but |
| 22:48.23 | Mr_Rabies | i think that's fine, honestly |
| 22:48.31 | Mr_Rabies | it's an optional feature that focuses on pvp |
| 22:48.36 | Neffi | If they can manage it transparently, good |
| 22:48.51 | Neffi | You don't wanna do it, you stay outta the zone |
| 22:49.13 | Neffi | Honestly I don't have a mind to give a shit about PvE realms, but WoW has PvE realms and they would be making the wrong move not to consider them |
| 22:49.41 | Neffi | But I think they've sacrificed the quality of PvP before by just not trying as much as they could |
| 22:50.18 | Mr_Rabies | i don't really care for pvp anymore |
| 22:50.37 | Neffi | might be why I quit |
| 22:50.37 | Mr_Rabies | i personally feel arenas were some of the worst additions to wow, and haven't really done much pvp since tbc |
| 22:50.45 | Neffi | I had a lot of fun in vanilla, BC and WLK doing PvP |
| 22:50.54 | Mr_Rabies | they effect the pve game too much since the team sizes are so small |
| 22:51.00 | Mr_Rabies | not lately |
| 22:51.05 | Neffi | In Cata and MoP, it honestly feels like if I don't want to run for Gladiator, I don't have any business having fun in PvP |
| 22:51.08 | Neffi | And that's shitty |
| 22:51.25 | Mr_Rabies | since they've seemed to pretty much stop caring too much for arena balance if it'll effect pve |
| 22:51.30 | Mr_Rabies | but still |
| 22:51.34 | Mr_Rabies | not my cup of tea |
| 22:51.56 | Neffi | Well now doing stuff like scaling some spells different against players, and redoing damage stats in PvP, it's easier to balance than ever |
| 22:52.15 | Neffi | But it's still not a fun paradigm focusing on arenas 100% |
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| 22:56.35 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/aZEV9Km.gif so lovable and cuddly |
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| 23:20.08 | karl_w_w | cuddles Neffi |
| 23:20.20 | Neffi | O_O |
| 23:20.26 | Neffi | I need an adult |
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| 23:25.53 | Neffi | "Per instructions from our supplier, purchasing of part # MZHPU128HCGM-00000 is currently only available by request." |
| 23:26.01 | Neffi | why is this happening all over the place suddenly? |
| 23:28.14 | Neffi | Newegg will email you the price if you've got an account, but RAMCity has items that you need to call in to get a price on |
| 23:28.25 | Neffi | They both claim it's by manufacturer request |
| 23:29.55 | Amarande | I thought it was usually "add item to cart to see price" for things like that :S |
| 23:30.21 | Amarande | and that's always been the case for years |
| 23:30.25 | Amarande | remember the old Computer Shopper magazine? |
| 23:30.32 | Amarande | back when it was a huge behemoth that dwarfed Conde Nast Bride's? |
| 23:30.42 | Semlar-Laptop | and that's a retarded way to do business |
| 23:30.45 | Amarande | half the stuff advertised in there was "$CALL" too |
| 23:31.05 | Neffi | That's how these items used to work, when the manufacturer wants the price hidden |
| 23:31.07 | Neffi | Not anymore |
| 23:31.14 | Semlar-Laptop | who the hell is going to call in to get the price on an item |
| 23:31.20 | Semlar-Laptop | they're just going to move on to the next one |
| 23:31.21 | Neffi | I wonder what compels anyone to implement this policy, let alone comply with it |
| 23:31.32 | Amarande | There's still items where they do that, but not as often |
| 23:31.47 | Amarande | Neffi: probably something in the contract they have with the vendor |
| 23:31.53 | Neffi | Semlar-Laptop: That item number is for the Samsung XP941 |
| 23:32.01 | Neffi | If you want an NGFF SSD, you want that one |
| 23:32.05 | Neffi | No two ways about it |
| 23:32.12 | Amarande | I'm thinking of places that have done things like that regularly |
| 23:32.22 | Amarande | B&H still does it frequently with camera equipment, I think, especially higher end DSLR stuff |
| 23:32.31 | Neffi | Same NAND cells and controller as the Samsung 840 Pro, on a PCI-E bus that can hit 1.4 GB/s |
| 23:32.41 | Neffi | It's a fucking beast of an SSD, and it can fit in an ultrabook |
| 23:33.04 | Amarande | In general it seems to be higher end stuff where you get the $Call/Add to Cart to see Price thing |
| 23:33.13 | Amarande | barely if ever "consumer tier" stuff |
| 23:33.30 | Neffi | I'm toying with an ITX build right now that I'd put together when I get the cash, and this motherboard supports NGFF SSDs. Which would be perfect in a case like the FT03-mini |
| 23:34.21 | Neffi | It's weird how Samsung is selling these things |
| 23:34.45 | Neffi | Officially, they are not retail. They're being shipped only to ultrabook manufacturers. RAMCity is the only vendor that has a contract to sell them retail. |
| 23:35.07 | Neffi | Strange when you consider, it's the single best NGFF SSD out there, so there's some demand for it |
| 23:35.27 | Semlar-Laptop | restrict quantity, inflate the price |
| 23:35.40 | Amarande | heh, kinda like the AMD FX-8300 CPU |
| 23:35.52 | Neffi | RAMCIty probably stands to make a killing with how well these things benchmark |
| 23:35.55 | Amarande | For some unknown reason, unlike ALL the other Vishera FX CPUs |
| 23:36.00 | Neffi | And no SandForce fuckery. Its controller is the real deal. |
| 23:36.13 | Amarande | they only distributed that one in OEM |
| 23:36.50 | Amarande | which means if you want one to use for yourself (and there are reasons to get one, for one it's the only 8-core with 95W TDP, the 8320/8350 are 125W), you have to get it from some random Korean seller on ebay for $200 |
| 23:37.17 | Neffi | why not just get a 125W chip? |
| 23:37.30 | Amarande | Neffi: well, in my case, I *can't* use the 8320/8350, so I considered the 8300 |
| 23:37.40 | Amarande | I thought $200 was too much though so I got a 6-core instead |
| 23:37.42 | Neffi | mobo? |
| 23:37.47 | Amarande | GA-970A-DS3 |
| 23:37.54 | Neffi | 6-core is prob fine |
| 23:38.09 | Amarande | it runs all the Visheras *except* the 8320/8350 (and the insane FX-9000 series stuff, of course) |
| 23:38.18 | Neffi | I'm not clear on all the details of this strange AMD architecture, but I dont think you need 8 cores still |
| 23:38.40 | Amarande | yeah, not much in gaming really pushes 8 cores |
| 23:38.43 | Neffi | And I still dont know if "core" means 1 package which has 2 ALUs and 1 FPU, or if "core" means each ALU |
| 23:38.49 | Neffi | Everyone uses different terminology |
| 23:38.59 | Amarande | yeah, I'm also not sure exactly how Vishera arch works |
| 23:39.07 | Neffi | Is it effectively 12 integer cores and 6 float cores, or 6 int and 3 float? |
| 23:39.10 | Amarande | it's way better than Bulldozer though, apparently Bulldozer sucked like a Hoover |
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| 23:39.20 | Neffi | If it's 12 int and 6 float, you're fine with a 6 core |
| 23:39.44 | Amarande | From what I've seen though, I'm much more GPU than CPU bound atm anyway |
| 23:39.45 | Neffi | That seems to be how the official terminology went back when it was announced (well before release) but they may have changed their terminology to make the chips look better |
| 23:40.04 | Amarande | upgraded from a Phenom II X6 1045T to an FX-6300, overclocked the latter, was only a modest improvement in 3DMark and the FFXIV benchmark |
| 23:40.24 | Neffi | synthetic benchmarks don't tell you much |
| 23:40.25 | Amarande | overclocked the Radeon HD 7850, got several times as much improvement doing that alone |
| 23:40.46 | Neffi | In modern games you're usually bound on both for different reasons |
| 23:41.00 | Neffi | you'll have situations where one OR the other struggles in, and other situations where one or the other shine |
| 23:41.12 | Neffi | it's not as simple as saying you have enough horsepower, or need more |
| 23:42.35 | Amarande | yeah, it's hard to tell where the "nexus point" is where you're equally bound by both (which is probably optimality) |
| 23:42.40 | Amarande | plus it probably changes per game |
| 23:42.53 | Neffi | What I'm saying is, it changes per situation |
| 23:42.55 | Amarande | and in some games it's practically impossible not to be bound |
| 23:43.04 | Neffi | Computers are not as simple as benchmark lovers like to believe |
| 23:43.12 | Amarande | like I'm hearing in Crysis 3, you either basically MUST have LGA 2011 or an AMD 6 or 8 core to not be severely CPU bound |
| 23:43.26 | Neffi | The only metric that really matters is, does it play every game you need it to without a hiccup? |
| 23:43.35 | Amarande | one of the regs in ##hardware has a Haswell i7 and a GTX Titan ... and can still only get about 40 fps in Crysis 3 |
| 23:44.01 | Neffi | I mean technically speak if you don't cap your FPS, then you're always bound by definition, because something's struggling to push more frames than you're using |
| 23:45.06 | Amarande | Myself, I'm probably good enough in CPU and GPU, and about the best real improvement I could add is an SSD |
| 23:45.19 | Amarande | since I mostly play MMOs and generally games that aren't quite bleeding edge |
| 23:45.52 | Neffi | I think SSDs are important for speed |
| 23:45.57 | Neffi | A lot of people will say they're not |
| 23:46.16 | Neffi | Those people must not play open-world games where the hard drive is constantly accessed no matter how much RAM is available |
| 23:46.41 | Neffi | Plus millisecond access times does more for perceived speed than any CPU upgrade above a Nehalem |
| 23:48.17 | Neffi | That's one thing about WoW and Skyrim. There are situational hiccups I always thought were spikes in CPU usage, but more investigation showed they were moments when the engine had to stall because of the HDD |
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| 23:48.51 | Neffi | Those little hiccups don't hurt your benchmarked FPS, but they break immersion more than consistently losing a couple FPS would |
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| 23:56.46 | Amarande | yeah, the family computer downstairs uses a Nehalem i5 still |
| 23:56.51 | Amarande | and it's actually still operating pretty smoothly |
| 23:57.02 | Amarande | the only upgrade it's really had since it was built was a much-needed boost from 2GB to 8GB RAM |
| 23:57.36 | Amarande | Heh. I just threw out that old Mushkin module the other day when I started to clean up in the garage |
