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| 00:18.42 | Neffi | haha http://i.imgur.com/KzHalOl.gif |
| 00:25.59 | kd3 | well, that was quick, bottom of the first and stl's already up 0-2 |
| 00:26.48 | Amarande | bleh :| |
| 00:28.18 | Neffi | how exciting |
| 00:29.06 | Amarande | ... wow I just saw a spam ad for SusanExpress on Illidan Durotar region chat |
| 00:29.15 | Amarande | those guys are still around? heh |
| 00:29.30 | Amarande | I think they were spamming their gold farmer services when I first started wow |
| 00:29.59 | Neffi | I guess you can say the harvest has been great |
| 00:31.58 | Neffi | why is this so funny? http://i.imgur.com/ixZOtBk.gif |
| 00:35.21 | Semlar | because you delight in the suffering of others |
| 00:38.04 | Neffi | Maybe I do |
| 00:38.11 | Neffi | This man seems to be suffering and it's delightful http://i.imgur.com/KBFEeEP.jpg |
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| 01:27.15 | kd3 | already warming up a relief pitcher. bad night for boston |
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| 01:48.39 | pompy | shush kd3 |
| 01:48.48 | pompy | >< |
| 01:48.56 | kd3 | >.> |
| 02:21.32 | airtonix | jubeithos realm lol |
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| 02:50.34 | kd3|hate`net | cripes |
| 02:53.38 | Amarande | wow it takes over an hour to scan with auctioneer on illidan |
| 02:57.12 | Ressy | Use the TradeSkillMaster app. It grabs info for up to 5 servers every hour via webAPI, and automatically downloads it into your wow files. All you gotta do to import that info is /rl |
| 03:03.49 | Neffi | Amarande: Auctioneer doesn't do quick scan? |
| 03:04.09 | Neffi | Auctionator scans almost-full realms in ~30 sec |
| 03:06.03 | Amarande | hm. not quite sure. this is the first scan I've run on this realm though. |
| 03:06.24 | Amarande | there's about ... four times + as many items as there are on my previous realms |
| 03:10.20 | Neffi | Then it probably avoids fast scan |
| 03:10.35 | Neffi | IIRC fast scan can only return .. 40k items? |
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| 03:12.50 | Amarande | there's about 84k items on illidan horde |
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| 03:26.44 | kd3 | and it's tied. eesh |
| 03:27.17 | Amarande | c'mon sox, forge ahead already |
| 03:27.23 | Amarande | this is like a mets game or something :P |
| 03:29.49 | Sintacks | getting sick and tired of WoW just locking up |
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| 03:38.37 | ccox | Amarande if auctioneer is taking that long, something is wrong |
| 03:38.51 | ccox | Amarande: the fast scan should be taking less than a minute |
| 03:39.00 | Amarande | elapsed 53 min, time left 28 min |
| 03:39.10 | Amarande | does fast scan have a limit like Neffi suggests though? |
| 03:39.17 | ccox | that sounds like you did a slow scan |
| 03:39.23 | Amarande | it seems to be going a LOT longer proportionally than on my other servers |
| 03:39.25 | ccox | Blizz said they fixed the fast scan limit |
| 03:39.29 | Amarande | which have about 15-20k items or so |
| 03:39.39 | Amarande | and take maybe ... 10 minutes or so I want to say |
| 03:39.52 | ccox | still something wrong |
| 03:39.57 | ccox | sounds like you're using the wrong button |
| 03:40.18 | ccox | even on my high pop 40k item servers, a scan takes less than a minute |
| 03:40.19 | Amarande | ccox: hm, can it do the initial scan as a fast scan or does that maybe have to be a slow can? |
| 03:40.26 | Amarande | this is the first time I've scanned the ah on this server |
| 03:40.27 | ccox | no, all of them can be fast |
| 03:40.34 | Amarande | also illidan isn't even like 40k |
| 03:40.37 | Amarande | it's 83k+ |
| 03:40.51 | ccox | hmm, I wonder if you have names turned on and are waiting for the system to cache player names |
| 03:41.14 | Amarande | not sure. it's all defaults except for the norganna slide bar is turned off |
| 03:42.37 | ccox | and you're sure you're up to date on auctioneer? |
| 03:42.41 | ccox | which faction? |
| 03:45.52 | Amarande | horde |
| 03:46.07 | Amarande | ... if I was alliance on illidan it would probably take less than a second to scan ROFL |
| 03:46.20 | Amarande | I'm not even sure there *are* items on the Illidan-US Alliance side AH :D |
| 03:47.00 | Amarande | probably the most faction imbalanced server there is :) |
| 03:47.04 | Amarande | you know what comes to mind as a good way to deal with these faction imbalances btw? |
| 03:47.19 | Amarande | at some point there should be a cross-character quest where you need to have characters on both factions to complete it |
| 03:47.24 | Amarande | kinda like the HK-51 quest in TOR :) |
| 03:51.40 | kullervo | too meta |
| 03:52.05 | ccox | (new character on server, 15 guild invites before I hit Org) |
| 03:52.27 | nevcairiel | i just joined one of the lvl 25 ones so that stops |
| 03:53.20 | kd3 | hm, bottom of the 9th, tied. can stl pull it off? |
| 03:53.48 | kullervo | Oh dear. Rushing jade wind deals some serious damage. |
| 03:54.14 | ccox | (and another 4 going from the FP to the AH) |
| 03:54.33 | Amarande | ccox: yeah I had to shut off guild invites on illidan for the moment |
| 03:55.07 | Amarande | yeah I'm only getting 17 auctions per second, I think I usually get more than that |
| 03:56.05 | ccox | if you get an auctions/second count - then you used the slow scan, not fast |
| 03:56.16 | ccox | and it is probably waiting on names |
| 03:56.50 | ccox | just short of 3 minutes for the initial fast scan on illly horde |
| 03:56.59 | ccox | and man is that AH crowded |
| 03:58.23 | ccox | Did you click the single right arrow (play) or the double right arrow (fast forward)? |
| 03:59.00 | Amarande | "play" |
| 03:59.05 | Amarande | that's the one I've always used, actually |
| 03:59.07 | ccox | then you're doing a slow scan |
| 03:59.15 | ccox | sometimes it really pays to read the instructions |
| 03:59.29 | Amarande | but I didn't expect it to be THAT much longer |
| 03:59.37 | Amarande | Turalyon and Ysera are usually around 20k items or so |
| 03:59.50 | Amarande | so about 1/4 or so ... and they take way less than 1/4 the time to do a slow scan |
| 03:59.54 | ccox | lol - yeah, there's a reason we talked to blizz about adding the fastscan API |
| 04:00.12 | Amarande | I figured it would take maybe ... a half hour, 45 minutes or so for a slow scan, not 1.5hours |
| 04:01.56 | kd3 | ooh, here we go. bottom of the ninth, two on, one out |
| 04:01.59 | ccox | holy cow, one @#%@#%$ guild has now attempted 9 invites while I'm in the AH |
| 04:02.09 | ccox | they don't take no very seriously |
| 04:03.21 | nevcairiel | living of other peoples quest earnings must be really profitable |
| 04:03.34 | kd3 | holy crap. they called interference |
| 04:03.38 | kd3 | wow |
| 04:03.39 | Amarande | and of course they say he's safe |
| 04:03.50 | Amarande | that sounds like a "umpire wants to be able to sleep at night in st louis" call, doesn't it kd3 :| |
| 04:04.03 | ccox | Amarande: so, log off, go to your normal server, and do the fast scan |
| 04:04.10 | ccox | then come back to illy and do the same |
| 04:04.57 | Amarande | I've noticed the referees in tight squeezes like this seem to be homers :| |
| 04:05.21 | Amarande | like that celtics-lakers game 7 a few years ago. it was pretty blatant, they called all the apparent celtics fouls but let the lakers pretty much be scot-free except for of course Kobe |
| 04:05.30 | Amarande | who I guess they couldn't ignore because well EVERYONE is watching Kobe heh |
| 04:05.52 | Amarande | and of course, they were in LA for that game |
| 04:07.18 | ccox | wow, it might be worth it to make some gold on illy to play the AH - there's a lot of easy money in there |
| 04:09.25 | ccox | (good news is that searchUI is slow, but still working decently even on Illy) |
| 04:09.56 | Amarande | ccox: illidan realm forum suggests there's not that much easy gold |
| 04:10.08 | Amarande | it's just too big for anyone to really corner the market on anything |
| 04:10.42 | ccox | vendor search finds quite a bit of low hanging fruit |
| 04:10.55 | ccox | quite a few profitable DE items |
| 04:11.26 | ccox | lots of good milling and prospecting |
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| 04:11.44 | Amarande | also wow some of these low level herbs are worth a lot |
| 04:11.53 | ccox | ripe for resale, if you have the cash |
| 04:11.58 | Amarande | wonder if it has to do with the level of competition and seriousness at the high calibre end |
| 04:12.06 | ccox | possibly |
| 04:12.12 | Amarande | i.e., herbs are expensive because nobody wants to be caught with "omg you have herbalism" |
| 04:12.14 | ccox | and the strategies people are using |
| 04:12.34 | Amarande | high calibre folks pretty much expect that you'll rely entirely on the AH to level your professions, apparently |
| 04:12.57 | ccox | if you're looking to start from nothing and make 10k, it looks pretty easy |
| 04:12.57 | Amarande | because the gathering professions are considered to have a noticeable drag on dps presumably, or so EJ suggests |
| 04:13.02 | Kaylin | uh yeah |
| 04:13.12 | ccox | if you're trying to make 100k, not as easy, but managable |
| 04:13.28 | Amarande | hmmm ... in that light I wonder if high end crafted mail and leather is unusually expensive |
| 04:13.42 | Amarande | that would probably be a particularly strong indication of that being the case |
| 04:15.24 | Amarande | yeah leather DOES seem unusually expensive |
| 04:16.12 | Amarande | I'm trying to figure out if the server climate is such that the old standby of "crafting prof and matching gathering prof" is frowned upon among the serious players |
| 04:16.21 | Amarande | EJ guides seem to suggest it is |
| 04:16.33 | ccox | you can level with a gathering prof, then change later |
| 04:16.49 | kd3 | :( http://www.wfla.com/story/23798366/tampas-historic-yuengling-brewery-engulfed-in-flames-according-tampa-fire-rescue |
| 04:16.51 | Amarande | which *would* be consistent with very high prices for leather (because it's almost impossible to level LW without skinning, most of the time the AH doesn't actually have enough supplies for you to manage it) |
| 04:16.57 | ccox | levelling inscription or alchemy without herbs, is expensive…. |
| 04:17.14 | Kaylin | ^ I leveled enchanting with mining then switched to eng/enchant after wrath saronite craze died down |
| 04:17.15 | Amarande | ccox: the point is inscription/alchemy can usually be leveled without herbs and the metal professions can be leveled without mining |
| 04:17.21 | ccox | kd3 - yes, but was it infested with virmen? |
| 04:17.35 | ccox | yeah, you CAN, but that doesn't make it a great idea |
| 04:17.55 | Amarande | but with LW, the mats needed to level up are so enormous that you basically CAN'T level it without skinning (or an alt with) because there often simply is not enough leather available on the AH unless you are very patient to stock up |
| 04:17.55 | ccox | and many professions don't pay for themselves so easily |
| 04:18.16 | Amarande | basically, I'm wondering just how major the difference is with dual crafting vs. crafting + gathering |
| 04:18.19 | Shirik | like software engineers |
| 04:18.25 | Amarande | I do know that mining tends to suck unless you're a tank |
| 04:18.28 | Shirik | software engineers need lots of money because they need good computers |
| 04:18.31 | Amarande | but herbs and skinning are not as clear |
| 04:18.45 | Neffi | Amarande: My guess would be that it's lost within the margin of error |
| 04:18.52 | ccox | shirik - but good software engineers pay for better computers using the computer they have |
| 04:19.16 | Amarande | especially herbs because haste theorycrafting can be a pain |
| 04:19.29 | ccox | Shirik: levelling software engineering / computer science is almost as profitable as levelling enchanting |
| 04:19.40 | ccox | (ok, better, if you're *really* good at it) |
| 04:19.48 | Neffi | Where the fuck's all my money then? |
| 04:19.49 | Amarande | mainly because haste seems to be much more dependent than any other stat upon the rest of the group |
| 04:20.19 | ccox | Sorry, Shirik, I won't sell you the software engineer's levelling guide. |
| 04:20.19 | Amarande | since it has a soft cap and you have to know EXACTLY which buffs are going to be present in the raid to judge the effect of other haste buffs (e.g. herbs) effectively |
| 04:20.43 | ccox | Neffi - skill up :-) |
| 04:20.50 | Neffi | >_> |
| 04:21.15 | Amarande | Blacksmithing seems to be particularly beneficial but I would only ever do it on a tank, where mining is useful |
| 04:21.23 | Neffi | With college still in progress, hell if it'll hit profitability any time soon |
| 04:21.38 | Amarande | actually blacksmithing has been so beneficial in the past that it seems that we're all being made to suffer this time around because of it |
| 04:21.42 | Amarande | and jewelcrafters particularly so heh |
| 04:23.36 | ccox | (serious problem with Illidan - all the Korean/Chinese SPAM) |
| 04:24.26 | Amarande | they look like typical raid searches, it's just we can't read them |
| 04:24.35 | Amarande | just thinking from seeing bits and pieces in them like "545+" |
| 04:24.45 | Amarande | and that most of them seem to include readable abbreviations of raid instances |
| 04:25.16 | Amarande | but yeah as for BS, it's been pretty strongly theorised that BS is the reason why they haven't let us have epic gems this expansion |
| 04:25.18 | ccox | Neffi - it can. I got several contract jobs in college that helped pay for computers, books, etc. |
| 04:25.31 | Amarande | (and it looks like we might not get the epic gems at all this expansion seeing that SoO is out and we still haven't got them) |
| 04:25.32 | nevcairiel | same here |
| 04:26.06 | ccox | Neffi - the trick is learning to apply your programming skill, instead of just doing class work |
| 04:26.45 | ccox | Neffi - also, debugging existing projects, working with teams, and taking on new areas all look good on a resume |
| 04:27.18 | ccox | (heck, if all you've done is classwork, your resume will get circular filed immediately) |
| 04:28.10 | ccox | Though, to score a job that pays for college while you're in college, takes more luck than skill |
| 04:28.30 | nevcairiel | yeah they want real-world experience, not school theoretical BS |
| 04:28.43 | ccox | (ok, or extreme skill in certain highly desirable areas *cough*cryptanalysis*cough*) |
| 04:29.59 | Amarande | ccox: heh speaking of that I sometimes wonder if Hollywood is going to make the terrorists win ultimately :| |
| 04:30.24 | Neffi | I've been reading into cryptography lately |
| 04:30.37 | Neffi | Never was interested much in it, but it's fascinating theoretically |
| 04:30.56 | Amarande | specifically, because their insane zeal when it comes to DMCA is making many a college afraid to teach crypto because they fear they'll get sued when they publish student papers |
| 04:30.58 | Neffi | As far as actually getting a job, it seems to require more luck than you're granting it |
| 04:31.05 | nevcairiel | its one of these things you really gotta have a passion for, or its going to consume you |
| 04:31.21 | Neffi | I can't say I'm passionate about it ..yet |
| 04:31.25 | Amarande | like ... oh hey your phd student did their paper on (crypto aspect)? that's what we're using to protect music/movies, DMCA! |
| 04:31.33 | Neffi | But I definitely find it interesting to pursue seriously |
| 04:31.40 | ccox | Neffi - no, getting a job is more about knowing what you're good at and shopping that around |
| 04:31.45 | Amarande | so apparently many colleges actually have been dropping crypto courses over the last few years |
| 04:32.01 | ccox | Amarande: hmm, I hadn't noticed that trend |
| 04:32.05 | Amarande | but of course this is going to lead to a shortage of cryptanalysts for vital security jobs :| |
| 04:32.07 | Neffi | And I'm not going to the kind of school that classes alone are gonna be resume material |
| 04:32.29 | Neffi | My school costs a whopping $2400 a semester. It's not exactly a high-end school |
| 04:32.31 | kd3 | use what you're getting taught, create neat projects, post them on github |
| 04:32.37 | kd3 | that helps more than anything else |
| 04:32.46 | ccox | or join an existing project that you are interested in |
| 04:32.51 | Amarande | ccox: typically higher tier theses, like PhD dissertations apparently tend to get published to the world by the colleges |
| 04:33.06 | nevcairiel | i got quite a few offers based on my opensource work, one of which landed me my new job, too |
| 04:33.20 | Amarande | and when Hollywood gets militant every time someone touches crypto because it might reduce the security of their media ... |
| 04:33.42 | ccox | I found small jobs with other departments: robotics, calibrated microscopy, music, art, even a supercomputing center when they needed file formats converted |
| 04:34.18 | ccox | Amarande: ok, that might be why I hadn't noticed, since I tend to be reading the higher tier publications |
| 04:35.16 | ccox | or the physics department needed some old fortran code updated (sure, I can learn Fortran this weekend :-) |
| 04:35.38 | Amarande | people still use fortran? |
| 04:35.43 | ccox | yep |
| 04:35.45 | Kaylin | uses LISP |
| 04:36.03 | Neffi | There's a lot of legacy code around that needs to be maintained |
| 04:36.05 | ccox | physics and chemistry are still riddled with old fortran code that gets updated, but never ported to a reasonable language |
| 04:36.05 | kd3 | fortran is probably never going to die |
| 04:36.07 | kd3 | like cobol |
| 04:36.22 | Amarande | I would have thought most of the kind of folks who would have used fortran would be using matlab by now |
| 04:36.28 | Neffi | My uncle by marriage works on old IMB mainframes. Been doing it his whole life. He makes a consistent living off it, and they cant afford to get rid of him. |
| 04:36.36 | Neffi | He's a lot cheaper than replacing infrastructure |
| 04:36.42 | kd3 | the good thing is, if you learn fortran, you can command a hefty fee for coming in to update code since nobody else wants to |
| 04:36.52 | Neffi | Unfrotunately he lives in Georgia so he can't help me get a job |
| 04:37.21 | Neffi | IBM*, obviously |
| 04:37.43 | nevcairiel | while there probably is a bit of money to be made learning one of those old and long forgotten languages, you have to be a special kind of person to actually enjoy doing that |
| 04:38.05 | kd3 | properly brain-damaged, which cs-leaning people have a higher tendency of being |
| 04:38.08 | kd3 | >.> |
| 04:38.12 | Neffi | I don't know if dedicating time to becoming a legacy janitor is the right move |
| 04:38.18 | Neffi | I have real amibitions |
| 04:38.40 | ccox | nevcairiel: I enjoy getting paid. I'll put up with bad languages if it pays well, moreso if I learn some things along the way. |
| 04:39.20 | nevcairiel | annoying work just for a good paycheck is not something i would really prefer doing |
| 04:39.50 | ccox | doesn't have to be a long term job. That's why I did a lot of contract work in college. |
| 04:40.12 | ccox | work for robotics, learn about autonomous vehicles and motor control systems |
| 04:40.14 | kd3 | so I wonder what's got some prominent gaming talking heads up in arms right now? |
| 04:40.36 | ccox | translate some physics code, and learn about particle interaction simulation |
| 04:40.53 | kd3 | http://redd.it/1pabs0 |
| 04:41.18 | ccox | write some translation code for the supercomputing center, learn about several of their machines (which gets more jobs later) |
| 04:42.04 | Neffi | kd3: Turns out the xbone won't come in Xtreme Gamer Orange |
| 04:42.16 | Kaylin | lol |
| 04:42.24 | Neffi | Or some other equally stupid and useless nonsense that gets hype-machines more rialed up than anyone ought to be |
| 04:42.43 | Kaylin | mac pro - RED |
| 04:42.51 | ccox | mac "pro" |
| 04:42.56 | Kaylin | ^] |
| 04:43.06 | Neffi | chuckled. |
| 04:43.06 | Kaylin | "mac" |
| 04:43.16 | ccox | you mean the "mini plus" aka "garbage can" ? |
| 04:43.41 | Amarande | hey now, be careful about dissing computers that look like garbage cans |
| 04:43.44 | ccox | sadly nobody is too riled up, their all too busy moving their software over to Windows or Linux |
| 04:43.45 | Amarande | EXTERMINATE EXTERMINATE EXTERMINATE |
| 04:43.56 | Neffi | Good |
| 04:44.55 | ccox | s/their/they are/ |
| 04:46.54 | Neffi | Somebody hit the damned nail on the head |
| 04:46.55 | Neffi | "Am I the only one a little annoyed by this? It seems unjournalistic for them to be encouraging the spreading of rumours without any hard facts." |
| 04:47.11 | Neffi | Didn't we in tech circles learn our lesson with SemiAccurate and all them? |
| 04:47.23 | Neffi | Shit like this is a disgrace |
| 04:51.05 | nevcairiel | what are we referring to today? :p |
| 04:52.37 | Neffi | What kd4 posted |
| 04:53.03 | Neffi | kd3 also posted the same thing. That's probably what showed up in your puny 3D world. |
| 04:53.10 | Neffi | http://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/1pabs0/adam_sessler_and_polygon_founder_arthur_gies/ |
| 04:53.25 | nevcairiel | its on reddit and twitter, if you expect journalism in those places, you must be crazy |
| 04:54.10 | Neffi | I forgot you live elsewhere. Here in the US, Twitter and Reddit offer about the best journalism you're gonna find. |
| 04:54.28 | nevcairiel | thats a rather sad state for the US then |
| 04:54.40 | Neffi | That it is |
| 04:55.05 | Neffi | Comedy Central has more integrity than supposed journalists |
| 04:55.11 | Neffi | See: Jon Stewart |
| 04:55.20 | nevcairiel | just watch fox news, and everything will be better |
| 04:55.25 | Neffi | God no |
| 04:55.32 | Neffi | I'd rather watch CNN, and that's kinda sad |
| 04:55.42 | Neffi | Anyway these guys seem like sort of big deals |
| 04:56.09 | Neffi | I can see why. The public loves idiots. |
| 04:57.44 | Amarande | hah, what did I just say in Durotar earlier tonight |
| 04:57.48 | Amarande | someone was like "what does a fox say" |
| 04:58.05 | Amarande | and I'm like "Of course I'm fair and balanced! (Also, dude, you really want to let me watch the henhouse.)" |
| 04:58.30 | Amarande | fox news = fail |
| 04:58.31 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/tDK9V68.jpg |
| 04:58.36 | Neffi | finally a god-damned reason to post that |
| 04:58.54 | Amarande | heh you know the world is a little crazy when comedy central is for your news and fox news is for your comedy |
| 04:59.17 | Neffi | Fox News has never been anything great |
| 04:59.29 | Neffi | But CNN once commanded at least a little respect. Now it's about as laughable. |
| 04:59.52 | Neffi | All of our journalism has gone down the shitter. I don't think there's a news source left that's worth its weight. |
| 04:59.58 | nevcairiel | i always thought fox news was a parody, like the onion, just not as good, but apparently its supposed to be serious :P |
| 05:00.02 | Amarande | Neffi: The Guardian's pretty good |
| 05:00.18 | Amarande | remember, they were the first ones to have the balls to expose the surveillance crap :) |
| 05:00.42 | Neffi | Well nev I'm quite sure some of the more vocal members of the team are paid actors meant to put on a facade |
| 05:00.43 | Amarande | while the US papers were busy repeating pro-establishment platitudes :P |
| 05:00.50 | Neffi | To encite people |
| 05:01.06 | Neffi | But people like ol' Bill seem to be genuinely serious |
| 05:29.04 | airtonix | it's part of the act Neffi |
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| 06:12.30 | karl_w_w | gives airtonix acting lessons |
| 06:26.42 | Fisker | what pompy? |
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| 06:42.44 | karl_w_w | how can i earn 185 valor in 20 minutes? |
| 06:43.05 | karl_w_w | taking into account I'm too shit to do challenge modes |
| 06:43.23 | Shirik | " A conservative Saudi Arabian cleric has said women who drive risk damaging their ovaries and bearing children with clinical problems" |
| 06:43.30 | pnorman | isn't there an isle weekly? |
| 06:43.31 | karl_w_w | ah i can finish my epoch stone weekly |
| 06:43.37 | pnorman | ^ |
| 06:44.05 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 06:45.16 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 06:45.34 | Fisker | :) |
| 06:46.11 | pnorman | I need to find myself a north-american option for a dedicated server |
| 06:48.40 | airtonix | aws ec2? |
| 06:49.00 | pnorman | hideously expensive and slow IO |
| 06:49.25 | airtonix | oh you've found cheaper with superior api? |
| 06:49.52 | airtonix | why do you need io? |
| 06:50.19 | pnorman | i'm after a dedicated server, not cloud |
| 06:50.36 | airtonix | what's cloud? |
| 06:50.56 | airtonix | aws is virtual machines. you can choose to have dedicated machine too. |
| 06:51.14 | pnorman | no, it's all VMs |
| 06:52.06 | airtonix | well when spooling one up the other day i was given option between sharing a bare metal or having it exclusive |
| 06:52.12 | pnorman | I use EC2 for testing, it's advantages are you can scale up/down based on load, but for an always-on server it's not great, and it's not what it's designed |
| 06:52.47 | airtonix | so what else is there? |
| 06:52.58 | Shirik | what do you need pnorman |
| 06:53.12 | pnorman | hetzner is ideal, except it's in europe. |
| 06:53.14 | Shirik | like you actually want HD speed? |
| 06:53.56 | pnorman | I need something less anemic than EBS |
| 06:54.26 | Shirik | that does not answer my question |
| 06:54.58 | pnorman | A couple of 7200 RPM drives is actually enough |
| 06:55.11 | Shirik | so you need HD speed |
| 06:55.18 | Shirik | whatever you are doing is HD bound? |
| 06:55.24 | pnorman | yes |
| 06:55.27 | Shirik | ok |
| 06:55.29 | Fisker | rolls over Shirik |
| 06:55.30 | Shirik | THAT answers the question |
| 06:56.04 | nevcairiel | you dont need to be HD bound to notice the bad IO of some VM offerings |
| 06:56.18 | pnorman | http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produkte_rootserver/ex40 is what I'd use if it was in north america |
| 06:57.20 | Shirik | I think in NA you're going to be looking at $100/mo or so |
| 06:57.41 | pnorman | ovh is the best I've found |
| 06:57.56 | Shirik | so you need low latency AND HD speed? |
| 06:58.07 | Shirik | you can't do something like cache it in NA or something? |
| 07:00.17 | pnorman | some stuff would be coming from NA to to europe then back to NA |
| 07:01.59 | pnorman | also, I'm dealing with users on the west coast, ~160ms ping |
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| 07:31.55 | bleeter | hi Fisker |
| 07:32.03 | Fisker | hi bleeter |
| 07:32.12 | Fisker | wanna be best friends? |
| 07:32.21 | bleeter | no |
| 07:33.00 | Fisker | ok |
| 07:33.06 | Fisker | *Hopes deleted* |
| 07:44.19 | Fisker | why did you summon me then bleeter? |
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| 07:46.13 | airtonix | for lulz? |
| 07:46.58 | Fisker | That was very unlulzy :( |
| 08:14.31 | airtonix | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDcYnAzwV0E |
| 08:14.51 | airtonix | something you can get your teeth into Fisker |
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| 09:37.19 | airtonix | Hunter has so much utility and is never bad, they excel at melee |
| 09:37.21 | airtonix | wat |
| 09:37.25 | airtonix | dot dot dot |
| 09:37.26 | airtonix | wat |
| 09:37.38 | airtonix | i don't even |
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| 12:00.07 | airtonix | Cairenn: http://imgur.com/r/aww/SX7kavT |
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| 13:06.09 | pompy | http://us.battle.net/blizzcon/en/forum/topic/10357205719 |
| 13:06.28 | pompy | they dont mention how long the stream will be able to be accessed till tho? |
| 13:07.36 | pompy | nevermind! |
| 13:07.39 | pompy | it does say :) |
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| 15:07.07 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL0Uc8ZdmTs that's just silly levels of funny |
| 15:20.54 | bluspacecow | ATTACK HUG! |
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| 15:39.59 | bluspacecow | wow |
| 15:40.10 | bluspacecow | greenlands part of denmark ? |
| 15:42.37 | Fisker | yes bluspacecow |
| 15:42.39 | Fisker | are you kidding me? |
| 15:45.34 | bluspacecow | mighty big fridge you has there |
| 15:47.39 | Fisker | why thank you |
| 15:53.40 | karl_w_w | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/10407282/Barack-Obama-approved-tapping-Angela-Merkels-phone-3-years-ago.html USians really working on their international image |
| 15:53.57 | airtonix | no one notices |
| 15:54.34 | zenzelezz | karl_w_w: it's okay, he got the peace prize |
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| 16:06.22 | mikma | haste: http://youtu.be/SYTBfOkd3DM not safe for america, but ok for rest of the world |
| 16:15.24 | Thunder_Child | To be fair it is quite possible that an astronaut broguht one with the,. |
| 16:15.27 | Thunder_Child | them* |
| 16:17.31 | mikma | and some fart-humor, http://youtu.be/jMyL0HdXPuc |
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| 18:00.10 | Shirik | http://lakeelsinore-wildomar.patch.com/groups/police-and-fire/p/chicken-decoy-helps-police-nail-31-drivers-in-lake-elsinore |
| 18:00.12 | Shirik | this is best |
| 18:01.01 | kd3 | ahaha |
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| 18:06.53 | foxlit | Don't you zebra-stripe your crosswalks, Shirik? |
| 18:07.10 | Shirik | there is no concept of a zebra crossing in the US |
| 18:07.35 | Shirik | I think crosswalk laws vary state to state but in Oregon pedestrians have right of way in all crosswalks |
| 18:08.27 | Shirik | they also have the right of way in implied crosswalks too |
| 18:08.28 | foxlit | So is there an automatic crosswalk everywhere, then? |
| 18:08.47 | Shirik | no |
| 18:09.36 | Shirik | crosswalks are just two straight liens |
| 18:09.40 | Shirik | not zebra lines |
| 18:09.48 | kd3 | enwiki disagrees with you, shirik |
| 18:09.52 | kd3 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crosswalk#United_States_and_Canada |
| 18:10.32 | Shirik | so what I meant when I said that |
| 18:10.36 | Shirik | in the UK they have two types of crosswalks |
| 18:10.44 | Shirik | zebra crossings are the ones where pedestrians have right of wa |
| 18:11.36 | Shirik | that concept doesn't exist in the US, though I guess sometimes it's painted |
| 18:11.42 | Shirik | at least as far as I know it doesn't exist |
| 18:12.22 | Shirik | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zebra_crossing |
| 18:12.33 | foxlit | maybe it's the crappy photo, but that chicken looks like it's just standing in the middle of the road. |
| 18:13.16 | Shirik | I see two white lines |
| 18:13.32 | foxlit | "white" :) |
| 18:13.56 | Shirik | you'd love my town |
| 18:13.56 | foxlit | I see two more just before the motorcycle. |
| 18:14.00 | Shirik | yup |
| 18:14.03 | Shirik | also a crosswalk |
| 18:14.11 | Shirik | anyway, you'd love my town |
| 18:14.11 | foxlit | insanity. |
| 18:14.21 | Shirik | I think they take advantage of the money saving characteristics of implied crosswalks |
| 18:15.03 | foxlit | [is that thing like a single person-width?] |
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| 18:16.50 | Shirik | true story |
| 18:16.59 | Shirik | I almost violated crosswalk laws in the name of the first amendment once |
| 18:17.28 | Shirik | some moron protesters were taking advantage of this law by entering the crosswalk and moving like 1 foot a second |
| 18:17.34 | Shirik | so that nobody could get through |
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| 18:17.56 | Shirik | so I was like "if they have the right to do this, then I have the right to a counter-opinion" |
| 18:18.01 | zenzelezz | power in the area went out for a minute or so; even streetlights... so pitch black I could see nothing inside o_O |
| 18:19.52 | Industrial | In the netherlands you have right of way on a crosswalk only if you are moving. |
| 18:20.11 | Industrial | so if you stand still they can drive your toes off |
| 18:20.16 | Industrial | :P |
| 18:21.24 | Industrial | cyclists have good rights here, love that. |
| 18:22.50 | Primer | Does anyone know how to maintain a .minecraft directory when you have multiple profiles specifically to run mods? For example, I have 1.5.2 with forge and 1.6.4 with forge, but if I leave the 1.6.4 mods in the .minecraft/mods directory, and load the 1.5.2 profile, I just get a black screen. I know this isn't #minecraft, but I can't stand those people |
| 18:23.06 | Primer | And I know you guys and gals know! Plus this is for my 11 year old daughter |
| 18:23.51 | Primer | If I simply leave the 1.5.2 mods in the directory, it works fine. |
| 18:25.32 | Thunder_Child | Why not have more than one 'install'? |
| 18:25.40 | Thunder_Child | each with it's own mods |
| 18:26.27 | Primer | its |
| 18:26.37 | Thunder_Child | Oh, don't even need that, each profile can have its own game directory. |
| 18:27.06 | Primer | Apparently people do this with MagicLanuncher still |
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| 18:32.13 | Shirik | Industrial: I think Oregon has really good cyclist laws |
| 18:32.23 | Shirik | much of Portland is covered with bike lanes |
| 18:32.28 | Shirik | but sadly this is not true of the US |
| 18:32.31 | Shirik | as a whole |
| 18:32.48 | kd3 | of course not. the car lobby is too strong |
| 18:33.02 | Shirik | http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3017/2631764671_d67627b0d3.jpg?v=0 |
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| 18:33.23 | Shirik | I don't know of other places in the US that look like this |
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| 18:34.27 | Primer | I can't believe managing this stuff is still incredibly hard |
| 18:37.02 | kd3 | the mod api will fix it! (tm) |
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| 18:41.31 | Industrial | I wish they allowed electrical skateboards on the road here though. |
| 18:42.16 | mikma | wait... what |
| 18:42.16 | Industrial | currently it's status is the same as that of mini-bikes (elbows between your knees :P) and police will take it and fine you if they catch you on the public road with it :( |
| 18:42.20 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9LjOQVBFmA |
| 18:43.53 | Industrial | mikma: no u |
| 18:43.59 | Industrial | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v19OlWvdUSg i want one |
| 18:44.07 | Industrial | then screw cycling :D |
| 18:45.25 | mikma | industrial: no. |
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| 18:51.36 | mikma | foxlit: ok, thanks |
| 18:52.18 | foxlit | I'm pretty sure that plot is wrong. |
| 18:57.03 | Neffi | Beautiful plot you got there |
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| 19:17.17 | Arrowmaster | so i just now preordered assassins creed 4 |
| 19:21.39 | zenzelezz | I'm waiting for the punch line |
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| 19:39.11 | Arrowmaster | wow this is fucking awesome to watch, bf4 32v32 obliteration game mode http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ggce4HSNUI |
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| 19:50.57 | mikma | arrowmaster: meh. it's too damn heavy for any other than 2000$ pc |
| 19:51.52 | mikma | i cancelled my preorder of everything related to bf4 couple of weeks ago |
| 19:56.05 | mikma | anyone else here has problems with nvidia 314.22 -> drivers? |
| 19:59.43 | kullervo | mikma: I'm using 331.58 - you're half a year behind on driver releases |
| 20:00.19 | mikma | i'll repeat my question |
| 20:00.22 | mikma | anyone else here has problems with nvidia 314.22 -> drivers? |
| 20:00.39 | mikma | http://kinky.fi/misc/irony.png |
| 20:00.49 | kullervo | and no, I'm not having issues with my drivers |
| 20:00.58 | kullervo | assuming the arrow means "or newer" |
| 20:01.03 | mikma | cause, 314.22 are the only stable drivers i've seen |
| 20:01.26 | mikma | other than that, http://kinky.fi/misc/irony.png |
| 20:01.27 | mikma | boom |
| 20:01.29 | nevcairiel | 331.58 works stable for me too |
| 20:02.06 | mikma | usually i get ~5sec freeze's then the mouse works for 4 secs and after that my pc just completely freezes and never returns |
| 20:02.47 | mikma | games work just fine |
| 20:02.57 | mikma | but if i open up any netbrowser the drivers start to crash |
| 20:03.58 | mikma | i even reinstalled the OS (because my ocz agility 3 broke and i was able to get samsung to replace it) |
| 20:04.15 | mikma | same thing happened with the new os install |
| 20:04.41 | nevcairiel | which gpu? |
| 20:04.48 | mikma | GTX 560 |
| 20:04.50 | nevcairiel | i heard people with older gpus had similar rissues |
| 20:05.01 | nevcairiel | yeah that would be the older category =p |
| 20:05.03 | mikma | nevcairiel: people with 700 series have the same issue |
| 20:05.48 | nevcairiel | i only heard people with 5xx and below complain, but since i dont have any issues, i didnt go and read much about it, so anything is possible |
| 20:06.52 | mikma | what i've read from the feedback threads, it pretty much covers all the gpu's |
| 20:08.03 | eXemplar | http://pastebin.com/8CPC9zqr |
| 20:08.09 | eXemplar | wwwwwwups wrong chan |
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| 20:12.42 | mikma | 650's are the lowest i saw that had the same issues with the latest 331 drivers |
| 20:12.56 | mikma | that's what i was able to quickbrowse from the feedback thread |
| 20:13.58 | mikma | theres 2x670's having the problem |
| 20:15.19 | mikma | gtx 780 :P |
| 20:15.41 | bleeter | mikma: this may sound a little daft (as in seemingly not related to your GFX), but if you can - change your SATA cable/s |
| 20:16.38 | bleeter | only mention it as mate of mine had similar problem, he slowly swapped everything around (PSU, GFX, HD, RAM). was about to change mobo when he borrowed some of my spare SATAs and fixed it |
| 20:16.42 | mikma | i'm up for pretty much any magics now to get this to work :D |
| 20:16.44 | bleeter | very similar sounding symptoms, and a cheap thing to test a fix on |
| 20:17.23 | mikma | some people are saying that taking sata off from AHCI (or whatever) has worked for them |
| 20:18.11 | bleeter | that usually depends on whether it was ON at install time. typically, it's not a BIOS default (though actually may be in systems <1year old) |
| 20:18.29 | bleeter | ie, the AHCI tends to default to old style compatibility |
| 20:19.04 | bleeter | and if you change it after install, the system loader may get confused as to what sorta driver it's booting with |
| 20:19.08 | mikma | it's on, i checked it before i installed the win7 for the first time |
| 20:19.13 | bleeter | at least, iirc, this was still relevant in W7.1 |
| 20:19.50 | mikma | maybe i should buy a new sata3 cable tomorrow |
| 20:19.58 | mikma | don't really wanna put the sata2 in |
| 20:20.10 | bleeter | should probably have a spare cable laying around anyways, to be sure to be sure ;) |
| 20:20.32 | bleeter | (ie, if it turns out it's not the cable, no real loss and a slight gain actually) |
| 20:20.37 | mikma | i have couple, but they all are sata/sta |
| 20:20.41 | mikma | sata2 |
| 20:22.10 | nevcairiel | there is sata3 cables? :p |
| 20:22.14 | mikma | maybe i should try other brand thatn Fuj:tech |
| 20:22.19 | mikma | nevcairiel: oh yes |
| 20:22.30 | mikma | http://www.verkkokauppa.com/fi/product/38095/cxbkh/Fuj-tech-SATA-III-kaapeli-90-punainen-0-5-m (in finnish, sorry) |
| 20:22.41 | mikma | but i have that one in my ssd |
| 20:22.45 | nevcairiel | just because someone tries to sell you some doesnt mean its a real deal |
| 20:23.00 | bleeter | gold plated hdmi cable for maximum signal reproduction!!! |
| 20:23.05 | nevcairiel | the cable shouldnt have changed since sata2 |
| 20:23.30 | mikma | i don't know about that, but that's what everything has said |
| 20:23.46 | mikma | that only sata3 cable is capable of the speed in sata3 |
| 20:24.00 | nevcairiel | sounds like nonsense |
| 20:24.10 | nevcairiel | also, motherboards that support sata3 usually also come with cables :) |
| 20:25.05 | mikma | http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/288999-32-sata-sata-cable#6086108 |
| 20:25.23 | mikma | nevcairiel: yeah, that one is plugged in my hdd |
| 20:25.42 | zenzelezz | my first motherboard with SATA3 support had four ports; two on an Intel controller, and two on some other. The other one turned out to be majorly fucked and caused all kinds of bluescreens |
| 20:25.55 | mikma | http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/your_sata_cable_slowing_down_your_data_transfers_max_pc_investigates |
| 20:26.37 | nevcairiel | There is virtually no difference between a brand-new SATA 6Gb/s marked cable made this year and one produced nearly eight years ago as far as performance goes. |
| 20:26.42 | nevcairiel | thanks for making my point |
| 20:26.45 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 20:27.02 | mikma | that's why i linked both of the views |
| 20:27.09 | mikma | the first one saying it will matter |
| 20:27.15 | mikma | and the latter saying it doesn't make any difference |
| 20:27.22 | nevcairiel | the first one is user comments, the second a tech site that went out and tested |
| 20:27.30 | nevcairiel | well, believe what you will |
| 20:27.49 | nevcairiel | certainly wont harm to buy a new sata cable |
| 20:27.52 | mikma | do you know what's the REAL difference between them |
| 20:27.57 | mikma | the 100% truth |
| 20:28.14 | mikma | http://www.verkkokauppa.com/files/images/40/39207-230x230.jpeg |
| 20:28.16 | mikma | sata II |
| 20:28.22 | mikma | http://www.verkkokauppa.com/files/images/53/127148-500x500.jpeg |
| 20:28.23 | mikma | sata III |
| 20:28.42 | mikma | the answer: the locking mechanism |
| 20:28.49 | nevcairiel | thats just a manufacturer thing |
| 20:28.50 | mikma | it's not there in sata2 but is in sata3 |
| 20:29.08 | nevcairiel | i had such metal clippies on cables before my mainboard had sata3 |
| 20:29.20 | mikma | metal nippies |
| 20:29.25 | mikma | brb, sauna. steamy balls |
| 20:37.42 | mikma | nevcairiel: testiclemaster, here: http://www.overclock.net/t/1188422/difference-between-sata-ii-and-sata-iii-cables |
| 20:38.01 | mikma | especially post nr. 4 |
| 20:38.07 | mikma | might cheer you up |
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| 20:42.19 | mikma | looool lololo |
| 20:42.25 | mikma | So what does this tell us? The SATA cable is an incredibly robust cable. It.s the cockroach or AK of computer cables. |
| 20:47.45 | mikma | nevcairiel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ovyeoyl29I |
| 20:48.56 | mikma | mmmmm, ak47 bacon |
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| 21:06.19 | bleeter | wouldn't it more likely that cables marketed today as sata 2 are likely to have been 3's that failed tolerance tests (at least, that'd make more sense...)? |
| 21:06.42 | bleeter | hasn't actually looked at the physical spec |
| 21:07.59 | bleeter | but you'd have to ask the manu and they'd prob be all 'C in C' n stuff |
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| 21:49.03 | kd3 | ouch. speedtest.net doesn't even know what kind of connection I'm on... http://kaydeethree.net/i/undefined.png |
| 21:51.47 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:52.22 | foxlit | although the ping is kind of good for that. |
| 21:52.25 | kd3 | hell, I get faster speeds over 3G than I do over adsl |
| 21:53.40 | kd3 | pulls up speedtest on his phone... |
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| 22:11.27 | kd3 | and here's the speed over 4g at my house. pathetic. http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/a/632161809 |
| 22:14.30 | Bibi | KD3 YOU RE IN ATLANTA? |
| 22:14.32 | Bibi | I M IN ATLANTA |
| 22:14.47 | Bibi | come to the airport and hug me |
| 22:15.00 | kd3 | hah, it's about a 75 minute drive from my neck of the woods |
| 22:15.09 | kd3 | you going to the huntsville office? |
| 22:15.23 | Bibi | yeah |
| 22:17.35 | kd3 | how long are you going to be in the states for? assuming you're headed to blizzcon in 10 days |
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| 22:23.53 | Semlar-Laptop | does /targetnearestenemyplayer work on mind controlled raid members |
| 22:26.20 | Gnarfoz | kd3: he lives in the US |
| 22:26.50 | kd3 | that's news to me, not that I was keeping up. last I heard he was still a frenchie |
| 22:27.05 | Gnarfoz | he won't ever not be a frenchie, even if he moved to india |
| 22:27.06 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 22:27.10 | Gnarfoz | and that's "american 4g", right? i.e. not actually LTE |
| 22:27.42 | kd3 | nah, my phone makes a distinction between 4g and 4g ltr. it was in the latter mode during the test |
| 22:27.46 | kd3 | s/ltr/lte/ |
| 22:27.52 | Gnarfoz | ugh |
| 22:27.57 | Gnarfoz | brainwashed, you are! |
| 22:27.57 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 22:28.03 | Gnarfoz | no idea how US carriers managed to spin HSxPA to be "4G" |
| 22:28.13 | Gnarfoz | when not even LTE officially meets the criteria to be considered 4G |
| 22:28.29 | Gnarfoz | but yeah, for LTE, that's pretty low |
| 22:28.43 | kd3 | I barely had a signal. I wasn't kidding when I said I lived in the sticks |
| 22:32.22 | Arrowmaster | pompy: ive finally started D3 on xbox if you want powerlevel me sometime :) |
| 23:55.28 | pompy | Arrowmaster: lol. so burnt out from that game on xbox >< |
