| 00:21.46 | VIad | :D |
| 00:21.59 | VIad | #wowuidev :D |
| 00:22.01 | VIad | ops |
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| 00:30.33 | Sintacks | i wish you could dock multiple chat frames the way you can into the main chat frame... like, i want tabs grouped some where else |
| 00:30.34 | Shirik | ok ultimate question |
| 00:30.34 | Sintacks | that's confusing |
| 00:30.36 | Shirik | do I buy a macbook pro |
| 00:31.14 | foxlit | Yes. Yes, you do. |
| 00:34.18 | foxlit | and to head off further questions, the /most expensive/ one, because if you're considering an expensive laptop, might as well get one that you'll regret the least in the next five years. |
| 00:37.26 | TC-Work | I'm going to get one as well |
| 00:37.36 | TC-Work | Though not the 'most expensive' |
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| 00:41.32 | Shirik | I'm not sure I'm getting the most expensive one either |
| 00:41.35 | Shirik | it'd mostly be a travel laptop |
| 00:41.41 | Shirik | so the 13" seems more practical |
| 00:42.25 | TC-Work | I'm going to get the 13" with the 256 SSD. Since I would get 8GB of ram, it only bumps the price by $100 |
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| 00:42.50 | Shirik | that's what I was thinking too actuallyt |
| 00:43.12 | foxlit | I'm clearly biased by already having a 13'' mba. |
| 00:43.29 | TC-Work | Why do you need another one then? |
| 00:43.41 | kd3 | ooh shiny! |
| 00:44.06 | TC-Work | Not good enough |
| 00:44.27 | kd3 | when is that ever not enough reason? |
| 00:45.33 | foxlit | different purposes; the mba is work-related. |
| 00:47.16 | airtonix | foxlit: the batteries last five years? |
| 00:48.07 | foxlit | I think that's the claim. I have yet to find out. |
| 00:49.24 | airtonix | you'd want to hope so since you can't replace them |
| 00:49.48 | foxlit | well, it's not that you can't replace them, it's just that *you* can't replace them. |
| 00:50.26 | Amarande | foxlit: isn't an MBA usually work-related? |
| 00:50.30 | Amarande | oh, not that kind of MBA |
| 00:51.16 | Amarande | and yeah, that's the problem with recent macbooks, they're basically a disposable appliance |
| 00:51.26 | Amarande | of course, so are windows ultrabooks |
| 00:51.27 | kd3 | ...recent? |
| 00:51.40 | Amarande | kd3: the "soldered everything" thing seems to have been a recent development |
| 00:52.11 | Amarande | pretty much didn't start to become common until the MacBook Retina and Ultrabooks |
| 00:52.44 | Amarande | and of course, despite this, I was *sigh, wish I could afford this* when I saw the Toshiba Kirabook in the Microsoft Store when I was in SLC last week |
| 00:53.33 | airtonix | well there is a difference to : unscrewing the chassis to replace a battery and having to use solvents to replace a battery |
| 00:54.08 | Amarande | airtonix: also a difference between the old system where drives were pop-out and the new one where the norm is becoming soldered-on flash chips |
| 00:54.27 | Amarande | though I guess soldered chips may be a necessity in the coming years |
| 00:55.04 | Amarande | in particular, 10 GbE is almost useless unless you have PCI-E SSDs, MULTIPLE SATA SSDs, or a custom solution such as soldered direct access NAND chips serving as a drive |
| 00:55.21 | Amarande | and that's the next milestone for network performance, pretty much |
| 00:57.08 | pompy | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/22/scotchy-scotch-scotch-ben-jerrys_n_4142860.html |
| 00:59.52 | Amarande | otoh, these new ultra laptops also seem to pretty much only connect through WiFi, where there's no question of 10 GbE :S |
| 01:00.46 | Arrowmaster | who would put 10GbE in a laptop |
| 01:01.04 | Arrowmaster | thats for highend desktop/servers |
| 01:02.00 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: I'm presuming that in the future it will become the norm |
| 01:02.01 | airtonix | how am i supposed to watch all 10 blurays porn streams on the toilet? |
| 01:02.16 | Amarande | much like how we've moved over the years from 10M to 100M to 1G ethernet |
| 01:02.28 | Amarande | where each time the latest thing was "for high end desktop/servers" then in a few years became ordinary |
| 01:03.12 | Amarande | however, we'll need ultrabook/macbook style storage for the next step, though |
| 01:03.16 | Arrowmaster | at that point the rest of the laptop hardware will be able to keep up with the 10 GbE just fine |
| 01:03.36 | Amarande | That or drives becoming PCI-E cards rather than using typical disk links |
| 01:03.59 | Amarande | but that has its own issues (e.g. mini-ITX systems and the like where there's only the one PCI-E slot and you might need it for GPU) |
| 01:04.21 | Arrowmaster | you mean like something that plugs into the media bay of a laptop and connects to that pci-e slot? |
| 01:04.39 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: that's mSATA, I think |
| 01:04.59 | Amarande | there are also SSDs (high end ones, generally) that plug into the computer as PCI-E cards rather than using a standard SATA connection |
| 01:06.05 | Amarande | http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100011693%20600171532&IsNodeId=1&name=PCI-Express%202.0%20x4 |
| 01:06.15 | Amarande | like those |
| 01:06.15 | Arrowmaster | it depends on the laptops i guess, some are Express Card which is PCI-E |
| 01:07.08 | Amarande | the point is that both soldered NAND (as seen in macbooks and ultrabooks) and PCI-E SSD can achieve higher speeds than standard 2.5" SSDs, since they're not encumbered by the limitations of SATA |
| 01:07.26 | Arrowmaster | so wait for a new upgrade to SATA |
| 01:07.28 | Amarande | and that's something we will need to reach the 10 GbE node as a norm, because otherwise you need at least two SSDs to be able to use the bandwidth |
| 01:07.49 | Amarande | (and even then only some of the time) |
| 01:08.25 | Amarande | and even that requiring either a Haswell or an AMD machine, as far as I've noticed ... |
| 01:09.22 | Amarande | AMD has had it standard for a long time for all the SATA ports to be 6.0G ... Intel boards prior to Haswell that I've seen tend to have just one or two 6.0G ports |
| 01:11.14 | Neffi | Those PCI-E cards are pretty unnecessary |
| 01:11.59 | Neffi | If you're actually saturating ~500 MB/s, then RAID0 a couple of them. |
| 01:12.41 | Neffi | Most of those PCI-E cards actually use SATA RAID controllers attached to a PCI-E bridge. So you're paying a shitload for a low-grade RAID setup. |
| 01:13.07 | Neffi | You could afford a top-of-the-line RAID setup with top-of-the-line SSDs for the same price, and get more enterprisy features |
| 01:14.15 | Amarande | I rather wish I could afford to do a full overhaul to haswell though. It'd be nice to have an ultra blazing gaming box |
| 01:14.26 | Amarande | ... though it seems like those are only really of much worth if you're an FPS gamer nowadays :( |
| 01:14.59 | Neffi | Also Haswell's PCH can handle TRIM passthrough. So if you're looking for some impressively over-the-top performance setup that you don't actually need, your best bet is to throw 2 SSDs in RAID0 right on the Z87 chip on the motherboard |
| 01:16.14 | Neffi | Z87 actually scales pretty well all the way up to 3 SSDs. Its peak throughput it slightly higher, so if you're one of the rich type that likes to go over the top with performance, 4 SSDs on the motherboard's RAID makes the most sense |
| 01:17.09 | Neffi | Which is really damn surprising, because the PCH for Sandy Bridge had a peak throughput slightly under what 2 SSDs provide, ~1 GB/s |
| 01:17.26 | Neffi | Being able to hit like 1.6 GB/s just off the motherboard's RAID is kinda cool |
| 01:19.32 | Amarande | Almost enough to make 10 GbE worth considering, too :) |
| 01:19.50 | Amarande | Pity you can't get a 10G Internet link, heh |
| 01:20.13 | Amarande | well you probably can, but if you're rich enough to do that, hell why stop at haswell, you can probably commission your own custom fabbed supercomputer at that point :P |
| 01:20.15 | Arrowmaster | i still wouldnt use the builtin raid no matter what features they add |
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| 01:21.19 | Amarande | btw, is the new blizzard launcher app worth trying yet or is it still causing frequent account lockouts? |
| 01:22.14 | Neffi | fuck |
| 01:22.24 | Semlar | do i have to |
| 01:22.54 | Neffi | Amarande: 10 GbE will hit 1250 MB/s. 3 SSDs in RAID0 on a Haswell motherboard will hit around 1400 MBs. |
| 01:23.23 | Neffi | So DVD Flick is putting the audio noticeably out of sync |
| 01:23.49 | Neffi | Just spend 2 hours converting to DVD ISOs. Payed them all back, all sync issues. |
| 01:38.37 | Shirik | 4.10.5 Rule 70 Rationale: The overuse of friends leads to code that is both difficult to understand and maintain. |
| 01:38.42 | Shirik | I finally have justification for not having any friends :D |
| 01:41.23 | Amarande | Shirik: I don't get that one |
| 01:41.40 | Amarande | I thought generally speaking having others look over your code, or really ANY creative work for that matter tended to lead to improvement |
| 01:42.00 | Shirik | AV Rule 70 A class will have friends only when a function or object requires access to the private elements of the class, but is unable to be a member of the class for logical or efficiency reasons. |
| 01:42.03 | Amarande | e.g., one's one's own worst critic sometimes and not critical enough others, so it's often advised to have others read your fiction before you consider it ready to publish |
| 01:42.14 | Amarande | oh |
| 01:42.19 | Amarande | "friends" is some kind of tech term, I'm guessing |
| 01:42.20 | Amarande | heh |
| 01:42.32 | Amarande | let's put it this way, I am woefully unfamiliar with object-oriented programming :P |
| 01:42.47 | Shirik | in C++ a friend is something granted legal access to private members |
| 01:42.57 | Shirik | in real life, this sometimes is true as well |
| 01:43.04 | Amarande | heh |
| 01:43.26 | Amarande | I've never really quite got the point of jumping on the OO bandwagon |
| 01:43.38 | Shirik | it makes you not hate yourself when writing code |
| 01:43.40 | Amarande | although it almost seems like OO will be the only paradigm that's even *possible* in perhaps the not too far future |
| 01:43.59 | Shirik | the problem is that it requires a different way of thinking, which some people don't want to do |
| 01:44.03 | Amarande | as in, it simply won't be feasible to program for most platforms except in an OO way, due to language and API structure forcing it |
| 01:44.17 | Shirik | however, once you understand that way of thinking, you just can't go back |
| 01:44.37 | Shirik | and I'm not talking about "I know how to code OOP" |
| 01:44.46 | Shirik | 95% of people out there that "know" Java don't actually know OOP |
| 01:44.57 | Amarande | especially with the rise of managed code and VM platforms like java, .net, metro etc. ... aren't you pretty much required to code OO for those, as in it's physically impossible to do otherwise? |
| 01:45.11 | Shirik | this is not a bad thing |
| 01:45.16 | Shirik | for example |
| 01:45.23 | Shirik | Libraries can actually manage their own memory this way |
| 01:45.25 | Amarande | since the very design of the platform you're on means you *can't* code things except as a class? |
| 01:45.33 | Shirik | they can restrict you from doing stupid things |
| 01:45.45 | Shirik | whereas non-OO libraries like pthreads allow you to do all kinds of illegal things |
| 01:45.54 | Shirik | like creating a mutex and never cleaning it up |
| 01:45.56 | Shirik | etc. |
| 01:46.01 | Amarande | and as soon as the platform forces you to implement using a class paradigm, that means OO is the only allowed way |
| 01:46.02 | Shirik | It's impossible to do those in well-designed OO libraries |
| 01:46.11 | Amarande | or does class not necessarily = OO? |
| 01:46.14 | Grivvel | Amarande: Kind of. Java requires everything to be a class, but if you really wanted to you could have a single class with all static functions and program entirely imperatively |
| 01:46.54 | Shirik | The sheer thought of how people actually managed their mutexes in C is still baffling to me |
| 01:47.12 | Shirik | it's so easy to fail to release a mutex because of some error path |
| 01:47.30 | Shirik | in C++ you can guarantee it's impossible to leave the scope without releasing the mutex |
| 01:48.00 | Shirik | things like this are why I can't go back |
| 01:48.33 | Amarande | Shirik: I'm more finding the OO paradigm itself to be difficult to really get into |
| 01:48.39 | Neffi | BABY COME BACK |
| 01:48.43 | Neffi | YOU CAN BLAME IT ALL ON ME |
| 01:48.52 | Shirik | I think it's one of those things that one day when you think you can't possibly go on |
| 01:48.56 | Shirik | it suddenly all makes sense |
| 01:48.57 | Amarande | I'm used to procedural/imperative programming in which data is something that the program manipulates, rather than the program being interspersed into the data |
| 01:48.59 | Shirik | and you enter this zen moment |
| 01:49.11 | Amarande | and more importantly |
| 01:49.24 | Amarande | the whole idea seems to be like, the program consists of data elements that talk to each other |
| 01:49.33 | Amarande | rather than a single easily understandable procedural flow |
| 01:49.51 | Amarande | and it starts to feel like a ball of yarn that's been felistically processed :P |
| 01:49.57 | Shirik | how many programs have you written are actually a single easily understandable procedural flow? |
| 01:50.02 | Grivvel | Shirik: You can't guarantee *anything* in C++ |
| 01:50.08 | Shirik | you can guarantee a ton of things in C++ |
| 01:50.17 | Shirik | I can guarantee that that mutex will be released, always |
| 01:50.20 | Shirik | even if it's about to crash |
| 01:50.24 | Shirik | the mutex will be released before it crashes |
| 01:50.24 | Grivvel | longjmp |
| 01:50.35 | Shirik | ok first off |
| 01:50.35 | Grivvel | Bam, deconstructor not called |
| 01:50.37 | Shirik | longjmp is shit |
| 01:50.40 | Grivvel | I agree |
| 01:50.41 | Shirik | it shouldn't exist in C |
| 01:50.43 | Shirik | much less C++ |
| 01:50.46 | kd3 | if I ever see longjmp, someone's getting shot |
| 01:50.49 | kd3 | repeatedly |
| 01:50.49 | Shirik | yes |
| 01:50.50 | Grivvel | Totally in agreement. But it does :P |
| 01:51.02 | Grivvel | Lua's error handling code works via longjmp iirc |
| 01:51.14 | Shirik | however |
| 01:51.18 | Grivvel | At least in C/without exceptions |
| 01:51.19 | Shirik | your argument is mostly invalid |
| 01:51.28 | Shirik | your claim that it's not guaranteed is based on "I can invoke undefined behavior" |
| 01:51.33 | Shirik | and yes, you can |
| 01:51.50 | Shirik | so yes, you violated the rules of C++, and therefore you aren't guaranteed it anymore |
| 01:51.55 | Shirik | but if you don't violate the rules, then you're fine |
| 01:53.28 | Shirik | also |
| 01:53.34 | Shirik | Lua's error handling code can work with exceptions |
| 01:53.39 | Shirik | there's a macro to adjust |
| 01:53.44 | Shirik | I forget what it's called |
| 01:53.55 | Grivvel | Yeah. hence the "in C/without exceptions" |
| 01:54.02 | Grivvel | If you're using C++ with exceptions it'll use that |
| 01:56.09 | Amarande | Shirik: I used to use easily understandable procedural flow all the time in BASIC on my Commodore, certainly :) |
| 01:56.32 | Grivvel | And yeah, I agree the argument was a stretch :P I'm just saying that if you have idiots using C++, you'll have many of the same problems you'd have with idiots using C (or some other non-OO language) |
| 01:56.57 | Shirik | aha |
| 01:56.59 | Shirik | took a while to find it |
| 01:57.00 | Shirik | here we are |
| 01:57.04 | Amarande | I didn't even abuse GOTO if I remember right. Mostly when I used GOTO it was because on Commodore 64 BASIC you *had* to use it for such uses :) |
| 01:57.08 | Shirik | "A setjmp/longjmp call pair has undefined behavior if replacing the setjmp and longjmp by catch and throw would invoke any non-trivial destructors for any automatic objects." |
| 01:57.47 | Amarande | e.g., IF foo THEN GOTO x was *how you did* conditional branching there |
| 01:57.54 | Shirik | hey |
| 01:57.58 | Amarande | and hard loops normally were done with a GOTO at the end to get back to the beginning |
| 01:58.00 | Shirik | QBASIC had FOR and WHILE |
| 01:58.05 | Amarande | but spaghetti-code GOTOs were not my style :) |
| 01:58.22 | Shirik | I still pronounce $ as "string" btw |
| 01:58.25 | Shirik | to this day |
| 01:59.10 | Grivvel | Shirik: I dream of someday making a totally standards-compliant C++ compiler that recognizes undefined behavior and wipes the harddrive when it gets encountered. |
| 01:59.20 | Amarande | At first it felt non-normal to me to be using 0xdead as the standard for hex when I first encountered C, too |
| 01:59.26 | Shirik | clang is pretty close to it |
| 01:59.28 | Amarande | I had been used to the Commodore style (which would be $DEAD) |
| 01:59.43 | Shirik | they recognize a lot of undefined behaviors |
| 01:59.48 | Grivvel | Shirik: But it doesn't insert instructions for wiping the hard drive. It just warns you. That's boring. |
| 01:59.57 | Shirik | the sanitizer inserts instructions |
| 02:00.03 | Shirik | not for wiping the hard drive, but it's open source |
| 02:00.06 | Shirik | so you could make it do that |
| 02:00.26 | Shirik | you might even be able to get away with calling it the "hardened" version, since the sanitizer is mostly for detected security vulnerabilities |
| 02:00.36 | Shirik | detect security breach: wipe hard drive |
| 02:00.45 | Grivvel | Hahaha, I like it |
| 02:01.16 | jleclanche | Shirik: I'm surprised you dont follow Star Citizen btw |
| 02:01.21 | jleclanche | i pegged you for the space sim type |
| 02:01.30 | Shirik | I probably would if I knew more about it |
| 02:01.39 | Shirik | I only know of it from a mostly superficial level |
| 02:01.40 | Amarande | Shirik: heh |
| 02:01.48 | Amarande | have fun getting testers with a compiler like that :) |
| 02:01.52 | jleclanche | Shirik: Start here: http://vimeo.com/77480949 |
| 02:01.57 | jleclanche | (worth the watch) |
| 02:02.07 | Amarande | I think you'll have to self-test most of your code after your testers all decide to bugger off after having to reinstall the OS a few times due to such antics :) |
| 02:02.18 | Shirik | they should have been using a VM |
| 02:02.55 | Amarande | Shirik: then you get users ticked off at you "program doesn't work outside of VM use cases" because you never tested that |
| 02:03.42 | Amarande | unless you're saying that non-VM use cases should be slowly abolished in favour of a computing future where basically the UEFI evolves into a permanent hypervisor and OS's *always* run in a VM |
| 02:04.18 | Amarande | but that sort of path feels like madness |
| 02:04.23 | Amarande | it reminds me of IBM obtusities and the like |
| 02:04.40 | Amarande | where they use this weirdo IPL shit instead of a normal boot process etc. :) |
| 02:05.10 | Amarande | and apparently in IBM parlance, an ISP is a computer, not a company |
| 02:06.52 | Shirik | still doesn't tell me much jleclanche :P |
| 02:07.13 | jleclanche | Shirik: it should tell you its awesome enough to start looking into it |
| 02:07.34 | jleclanche | Shirik: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVct2QDhDrB3ZFJgUystJmvMXivxG-r3V |
| 02:07.40 | jleclanche | this should actually tell you something |
| 02:08.53 | Neffi | Why are the space rocks so close together |
| 02:11.02 | Neffi | I imagine Neil deGrasse Tyson seeing samples of games like this and scutinizing all these details |
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| 02:11.18 | jleclanche | i imagine he has better things to do |
| 02:11.42 | Neffi | Maybe |
| 02:11.48 | jleclanche | i base that on the fact that even i have better things to do |
| 02:11.52 | jleclanche | and i really dont have much to do. |
| 02:11.54 | Neffi | Did you see all his Twitter posts about the film Gravity? |
| 02:12.40 | Neffi | http://www.buzzfeed.com/adambvary/neil-degrasse-tyson-trolled-gravity-on-twitter |
| 02:16.55 | jleclanche | "But then Tyson began to fact-check the movie as only a Harvard and Columbia educated astrophysicist can. " |
| 02:17.32 | jleclanche | sure takes that many diplomas to know the ISS and hubble arent actually next to each other |
| 02:17.53 | Shirik | yup |
| 02:18.02 | Shirik | however |
| 02:18.10 | Shirik | on the topic of realistic movies |
| 02:18.44 | Shirik | http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/oct/22/scaneagle-navy/ |
| 02:19.44 | Shirik | btw jleclanche |
| 02:19.48 | jleclanche | sup hon |
| 02:19.51 | Shirik | this isn't actually out yet right? |
| 02:19.58 | Shirik | I feel like we're talking years here |
| 02:19.59 | jleclanche | Its not, but alpha is soon |
| 02:20.09 | jleclanche | no, dogfighting will be available for christmas |
| 02:20.27 | jleclanche | alpha in feb/march or something |
| 02:20.27 | jleclanche | sec. |
| 02:20.40 | jleclanche | http://starcitizen.gamepedia.com/Release_schedule |
| 02:21.07 | jleclanche | there, SC alpha shortly after dogfighting and SQ42 alpha in august |
| 02:21.25 | jleclanche | but yeah, dogfighting is the #1 thing im looking forward to |
| 02:21.54 | jleclanche | Shirik: if you're interested, /join #StarCitizen |
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| 02:38.16 | Neffi | http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/3/3/1/211331.jpg?v=1 |
| 02:38.17 | Neffi | wtf |
| 02:38.35 | Neffi | I like how they emphasize that an ALKALINE battery contains acid |
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| 02:55.38 | Mr_Rabies | i think it just means the colloquial term for the solution inside batteries |
| 02:55.43 | Mr_Rabies | "battery acid" |
| 02:55.50 | Mr_Rabies | probably holdover from lead acid batteries, etc |
| 02:56.21 | Neffi | But actually cleaning up the alkaline paste from these batteries is much easier than from acid-based |
| 02:58.29 | Amarande | youch, I almost typed www.bat.le.net instead of www.battle.net |
| 02:58.40 | Amarande | and then had a disturbing thought indeed as I fixed it :| |
| 02:59.45 | Amarande | mainly it just occurred to me that mistyping battle.net is probably scarily likely to encounter scam sites :S |
| 03:00.05 | Amarande | or malware/keyloggers |
| 03:00.05 | Neffi | 403 forbidden |
| 03:00.15 | Neffi | halp i hakd |
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| 03:03.28 | Neffi | Is ButterFS considered ready for general use? |
| 03:03.33 | Neffi | Err, BtrFS |
| 03:25.55 | Neffi | Oh god |
| 03:26.04 | Neffi | The `swapoff` command prints a sad face |
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| 04:11.06 | airtonix | Neffi: no. |
| 04:11.30 | airtonix | Neffi: i say this as my laptop root file system is btrfs |
| 04:12.02 | airtonix | i would feel more comfortable if it were zfs |
| 04:14.34 | airtonix | wat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLwaPP9cxT4 |
| 04:17.20 | Neffi | ext4 it is |
| 04:20.38 | Amarande | let's put it this way ... if your filesystem fails on you and you lose data |
| 04:20.47 | Amarande | that's only to a degree the filesystem's fault |
| 04:20.52 | Amarande | mostly it's your fault for not keeping backups |
| 04:22.13 | Amarande | in fact, one could argue that more bleeding edge filesystems are even a better choice in a (kinda sadistic/masochistic) way, heh |
| 04:22.35 | Amarande | because if you're running a mature, "reliable" filesystem, that makes you that much more likely to get complacent about reliability |
| 04:22.43 | Neffi | Only because that kind of insanity begets sane backups |
| 04:22.52 | Amarande | if you're running a bleeding edge one, it's that much more in your face to backup sanely, yes :) |
| 04:23.25 | Amarande | the btrfs user might have to restore backups more often than the ext4 user, but the btrfs user is also more likely to HAVE up to date backups, on balance |
| 04:23.41 | Neffi | I dont have much interest in bleeding edge |
| 04:23.56 | Neffi | I have interest in cool stuff that does cool things, and Btrfs is one of them |
| 04:24.00 | Amarande | whereas ext4 guy when it fails ... "shiiiiiiit there goes a month of my stuff" "why didn't you have backups?" "I did, but I only back up once a month because I thought it was reliable!" |
| 04:24.07 | Neffi | I'm not gonna adopt until it's considered stable |
| 04:24.33 | Fisker | omg Stanzilla |
| 04:24.44 | Stanzilla | hi |
| 04:24.49 | Amarande | heh, also these days I'm not sure computers are as zealous about reminding you to back stuff up |
| 04:24.57 | Amarande | back when I first got started with GUI environments? |
| 04:25.05 | Stanzilla | Fisker: sup |
| 04:25.15 | Fisker | chromium 64-bit actually works |
| 04:25.17 | Amarande | like the entire first page of the manual was in huge bold letters ... "BEFORE YOU BEGIN. BEFORE YOU RUIN YOUR GEOS DISK. MAKE A BACKUP COPY. AND MAKE A WORK DISK NOW!" |
| 04:25.48 | Iriel | Flawed as it is, making backups easy is one of the nice things about Time Machine on OSX |
| 04:26.05 | Stanzilla | Fisker: yeah has been for a while |
| 04:26.05 | airtonix | Amarande: i think you're leaving out the fact that making backups with zfs and btrfs are much easier than with ext4. at least easier to make 1:1 images |
| 04:26.21 | Amarande | I'm not even sure Windows even actively mentions the sagacity of making backups to users anymore |
| 04:26.22 | Fisker | I saw no updates to the issue tracker |
| 04:26.26 | Fisker | so fuck you :( |
| 04:26.29 | Stanzilla | :( |
| 04:26.41 | Amarande | in fact, on win8 they basically pushed windows backup under the rug, so unless you already knew about it you probably wouldn't find it |
| 04:27.00 | Amarande | they basically expect you to rely on the push-button refresh features if shit hits the fan, apparently |
| 04:27.27 | Amarande | but even that doesn't do anything for the desktop apps you have to reinstall after refresh, nor your personal files which admittedly are saved in a refresh, but are still as vulnerable as always to accidental loss |
| 04:28.01 | Amarande | (not to mention not all your personal files are ACTUALLY SAVED in a refresh, e.g. firefox and thunderbird settings tend to get nuked and you have to enter all your account info in tbird all over again) |
| 04:28.04 | airtonix | Neffi: zfs, lvm, and btrfs has filesystem level snapshotting. zfs has the ability to stream replicate on the fly without interferring with current operations |
| 04:28.38 | Amarande | even in 8.1 the only gesture towards encouraging backups seems to just be to default to having users save their documents to skydrive instead of local disk :S |
| 04:28.38 | airtonix | Neffi: with etx4, your options are rsync or dd |
| 04:28.55 | Amarande | airtonix: cpio |
| 04:29.31 | Amarande | cpio is effective as well, in particular I remember noting it to be the recommended command to migrate an existing install to a new drive |
| 04:30.05 | Amarande | wait is it cpio or something similar sounding |
| 04:30.09 | Amarande | something similar at least, anyway |
| 04:30.13 | airtonix | Amarande: i'd prefer to have something like zfs-send |
| 04:30.45 | Amarande | yeah, to do the cpio method you have to be booted to a rescue disc basically and mount both the source and target drives, treed properly |
| 04:31.00 | airtonix | http://open-zfs.org/wiki/Documentation/ZfsSend |
| 04:31.01 | Amarande | though you have to boot to a rescue disc to use the dd method too, pretty much |
| 04:31.07 | Amarande | (plus dd only really works well if the new drive is the exact same size) |
| 04:31.24 | Amarande | whereas cpio works perfectly as long as the target drive is simply large enough to fit all the existing contents of the source drive |
| 04:31.30 | airtonix | well all scenarios involving restoring require you to reboot |
| 04:31.49 | airtonix | ones that deal with /boot |
| 04:32.00 | Amarande | yeah, also the cpio method requires you have the PROPER rescue disc |
| 04:32.06 | Amarande | or to boot it correctly, anyway |
| 04:32.18 | Amarande | I remember hitting a snag when migrating my linux install a while back |
| 04:32.27 | Amarande | copied everything perfectly, until the time came to install grub and it wouldn't run |
| 04:33.05 | Amarande | discovered that I'd booted the knoppix disc in 32-bit mode, while the linux installation being moved (including the grub executable that needed to be run from chroot) was 64-bit |
| 04:33.12 | Amarande | had to reboot to 64-bit to do it properly |
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| 04:48.16 | Amarande | hooooooooooly. |
| 04:48.23 | Amarande | maybe WoW really is starting to go on the decline :( |
| 04:48.35 | Amarande | I just saw something I haven't seen in like, *ever* on WoW, in six + years |
| 04:48.58 | airtonix | trade slap? |
| 04:48.58 | Amarande | at least under any kind of normal circumstances (like, not during known cases of server stability issues etc.) |
| 04:49.09 | Amarande | airtonix: a normal PvE server with officially Low population |
| 04:49.24 | Amarande | generally even the weakest PvE servers tend to squeak into medium and all the "low" ones are PvP |
| 04:49.45 | Amarande | scrolled through the server list just now and Dentarg-US is on Low |
| 04:49.59 | Amarande | or was for a short moment, it's back to medium now ... but I pretty much never see that |
| 04:50.00 | airtonix | never heard of it |
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| 05:36.49 | Fisker | wb Cairenn |
| 05:36.58 | Cairenn | thanks :) |
| 05:39.03 | Fisker | almost time |
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| 06:34.50 | Semlar | Amarande: i briefly played on dentarg and can vouch that there is nobody else there |
| 06:36.04 | Semlar | the population was so low blizzard was offering free transfers to it which was a regrettable decision |
| 06:49.12 | NuSuey | dunno what you are talking about (TLDR) but Hearthstone runs perfect on Linux, which makes me happy as hell :P |
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| 07:07.33 | Clamsoda | Hello. |
| 07:07.42 | zenzio | hi |
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| 07:58.00 | airtonix | NuSuey: does anyone even play that game? |
| 07:58.15 | airtonix | i can't see the attraction |
| 07:58.33 | NuSuey | airtonix: you are joking I hope >.< |
| 07:58.49 | airtonix | not really? did i break a religous rule? |
| 07:59.34 | NuSuey | airtonix: no :) just, thought if you are living under a rock. but.. guess you played and didn't like it :) |
| 07:59.50 | airtonix | i only really play minecraft |
| 08:00.05 | airtonix | when i'm not working |
| 08:00.20 | airtonix | :] |
| 08:01.54 | NuSuey | airtonix: well not everbody loves minecraft, as not everybody loves hearthstone :) but let's just peacefully live and play whatever we like to play :P |
| 08:02.30 | airtonix | sure ok. but does anyone even play that game? |
| 08:02.49 | NuSuey | lol you really don't know? :) |
| 08:02.50 | airtonix | i think i've only heard about three people playing it |
| 08:03.10 | Semlar | really, because people are going on about it all the time in here |
| 08:03.32 | NuSuey | almost the whole internet is playing it (well half of it is waiting for the beta key) |
| 08:03.45 | Semlar | maybe not quite that many |
| 08:03.46 | airtonix | the entire internet? |
| 08:03.49 | NuSuey | >.< |
| 08:04.06 | airtonix | does that include all of india and china? |
| 08:04.35 | NuSuey | that was too much yeah. but it's BIG, tons of streamers, tons of spammer wanting the key |
| 08:04.58 | airtonix | oh, i don't think spammers should get a key |
| 08:05.05 | airtonix | they might start spreading viruses |
| 08:09.00 | NuSuey | ..or worse! |
| 08:09.11 | Semlar | rumors? |
| 08:09.28 | airtonix | free gold? |
| 08:17.05 | NuSuey | no clue.. just spreading panic! |
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| 09:22.41 | karl_w_w | hearthstone is more watched on twitch than gta v |
| 09:24.19 | karl_w_w | until just recently it was consistently in the top 3, now it's top 5. it was consistently beating out LoL for top spot the first 3-4 weeks, which is quite an acievement |
| 09:26.50 | airtonix | karl_w_w: can't be that popular, since i don't play it. |
| 09:26.59 | Semlar | he's got you there |
| 09:27.08 | karl_w_w | damn |
| 09:27.29 | airtonix | just like i don't own an iphone |
| 09:27.32 | Torhal | Huh. I guess airtonix won The Internet. |
| 09:27.37 | airtonix | :> |
| 09:28.12 | karl_w_w | on the subject of twitch, the great enjoyment of watching someone else play silent hill 2 for the first time: http://www.twitch.tv/dansgaming |
| 09:28.30 | karl_w_w | if you have never played it, don't watch, play. it's 1 of the greatest games of all time |
| 09:28.52 | airtonix | i find horror to be the most boring exercise in hindsight |
| 09:29.28 | airtonix | "he's going to die, because he did something obviously stupid" |
| 09:30.11 | airtonix | karl_w_w: is he playing with a green screen? |
| 09:30.20 | karl_w_w | i guess so |
| 09:31.50 | karl_w_w | btw calling silent hill 2 seems somehow dirty and inadequate |
| 09:34.06 | karl_w_w | oh my god best part of the game coming up right now |
| 09:34.14 | karl_w_w | top notch atmosphere |
| 10:14.15 | VIad | [PSA] #wowuidev Pokémon Friend Code List @ http://goo.gl/qKh07f |
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| 11:37.29 | airtonix | karl_w_w: http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/063/491/my_trap_card.jpg |
| 11:40.51 | airtonix | who was the knife maker here ? |
| 11:40.57 | airtonix | http://imgur.com/gallery/XmhEFO5 |
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| 12:53.30 | karl_w_w | youtube is completely broken |
| 12:53.46 | bluspacecow | y |
| 12:54.29 | karl_w_w | slowness |
| 12:55.01 | karl_w_w | hey bluspacecow did you know honey is a solid at room temperature? |
| 12:55.10 | bluspacecow | oh rly |
| 12:55.21 | karl_w_w | in fact, honey is a solid at all temperatures |
| 12:57.02 | karl_w_w | well I assume, I don't know what happens if you heat it in a vaccuum |
| 12:57.08 | karl_w_w | it probably decomposes |
| 12:57.14 | karl_w_w | before it melts |
| 12:57.42 | bluspacecow | fascinating |
| 12:58.13 | karl_w_w | i know right |
| 12:58.27 | bluspacecow | *covers karl_w_w in butter |
| 12:58.34 | bluspacecow | *covers karl_w_w in honey* |
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| 13:00.22 | bluspacecow | mmm tasty! |
| 13:16.09 | Semlar | did you know ice is a solid at room temperature |
| 13:18.46 | bluspacecow | *covers Semlar in ice* |
| 13:19.03 | Semlar | chill out |
| 13:20.47 | zenzio | my favourite di.fm channel |
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| 13:23.12 | Semlar | karl_w_w: if honey were a solid you'd have a hell of a time getting it out of the jar |
| 13:27.05 | karl_w_w | implying solids can't flow |
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| 13:32.39 | Semlar | that would indeed be part of the definition |
| 13:34.22 | VIad | PSA - #wowuidev Pokémon Friend Code List - http://goo.gl/qKh07f - because Cairen don't want to add it to the topic of the channel as it's not wow related :P |
| 13:34.30 | VIad | Semlar: I know you play pokemon! |
| 13:34.35 | Semlar | no |
| 13:34.57 | VIad | not right now no, but you usually play it |
| 13:37.39 | Semlar | i haven't played pokemon in something like 15 years |
| 13:37.52 | VIad | I can buy the game for you if you lack the funds. |
| 13:38.18 | Semlar | i can't imagine i even have whatever it's been released on |
| 13:40.06 | Lopeppeppy | Baby, it's cold inside. |
| 13:40.15 | stuf | shiit, need to dig out my ds when i come home, can't remember my friend code ;< |
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| 13:45.41 | Semlar | that's unsanitary |
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| 13:55.30 | Lopeppeppy | I showered! |
| 13:58.10 | Semlar | oh, well that's alright then |
| 14:03.31 | Lopeppeppy | Excellent. Carry on. |
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| 14:21.24 | Lopeppeppy | Eeew, dog breath! |
| 14:22.42 | Lopeppeppy | Get the lysol! Get the disinfectant! |
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| 14:24.53 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 14:25.01 | bluspacecow | *wraps Peppy in a snuggie* |
| 14:27.57 | VIad | awesome, made a script to color the pokemon types automatically :D |
| 14:40.34 | Fisker | Again Lopeppeppy? But it's only october |
| 14:43.48 | Lopeppeppy | I know, but cleanliness is next to godliness. |
| 14:47.32 | Fisker | Yeah but I don't believe in religion |
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| 14:48.15 | Torhal | hires a squad of midgets to dress Fisker in a cassock. |
| 14:48.37 | Fisker | nope Torhal |
| 14:48.54 | Torhal | You're right. Not wasting money on shit like that. |
| 14:50.24 | Fisker | good |
| 14:52.07 | Fisker | time for mad |
| 14:58.24 | karl_w_w | surprisingly addictive games: democracy 3 |
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| 15:07.04 | Henk_ | Hello peeps |
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| 15:25.29 | Unkle | I see I'm not the only one having trouble staying connected to freenode. |
| 15:25.54 | TC-Work | There usually is one. |
| 15:26.42 | Henk_ | Can someone explain this line for me? local _,mod = ... |
| 15:27.19 | AcidWeb | ignore first value returned by ... |
| 15:27.38 | Henk_ | oh, thanks |
| 15:27.38 | AcidWeb | write second to local variable mod |
| 15:27.50 | Henk_ | So _,_,mod = ... would ignore the two first? |
| 15:28.14 | AcidWeb | if ... have 3 returns - yes. |
| 15:29.03 | Henk_ | That makes alot of sense, also what use do I have for a "table: ####" string? |
| 15:29.13 | Henk_ | I cant do a pair print |
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| 15:37.21 | Ackis | VIad: you should make a script/app that lets me put in different moves and it list which pokemon can learn all of those moves, and how they can learn them (e.g. leveling up, TM, breeding) since nicoli_s won't do it |
| 15:38.33 | nicoli_s | :( |
| 15:38.47 | Unkle | PokeHead.Com? |
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| 15:39.02 | nicoli_s | lol id be so pissed if zam got into the pokemon space |
| 15:39.27 | nicoli_s | but actually id be glad cuz theyd have to suffer through the pain that is making a pokemon website |
| 15:39.57 | nicoli_s | i want everyone to know that pain! |
| 15:40.34 | TC-Work | Just yesterday you were bitching about having to work on the league website instead of the pokemon one. |
| 15:40.42 | TC-Work | Get your story straight. |
| 15:41.05 | Ackis | oh yeah I threw you under the bus there nicoli_s!!!! |
| 15:43.18 | nicoli_s | TC-Work:i like working on the league site |
| 15:43.26 | nicoli_s | but i wish i could do all the stuff ackis wanted |
| 15:44.01 | TC-Work | I'm actually surprised league allows for that kind of API access. |
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| 15:48.21 | Torhal | nicoli_s: You need to get Ackis's work fax number now. |
| 15:51.31 | VIad | Ackis: you mean like http://veekun.com/dex/pokemon/search scroll down to Moves :) |
| 15:51.36 | VIad | but it's not for gen 6 - yet |
| 15:54.15 | Ackis | VIad: oh nice |
| 15:55.13 | nicoli_s | TC-Work:they dont |
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| 15:55.39 | nicoli_s | well they have an API but its not publiclly available |
| 15:55.47 | nicoli_s | atm all riot API stuff basically just emulates the client |
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| 15:56.19 | TC-Work | so it's just a web frontend instead of an air one? |
| 16:06.29 | nicoli_s | not really, we basically have a service that connects to riots servers and our website just calls into the service when it wants data |
| 16:18.44 | mikma | http://geekologie.com/2013/10/21/what-the-world-is-good-at-large.jpg |
| 16:19.23 | nevcairiel | old |
| 16:20.07 | Maldivia | LOL - http://kotaku.com/they-helped-you-cheat-in-wow-now-they-got-sued-and-wan-1450715564 |
| 16:26.39 | Fisker | That's pretty dumb of kotaku |
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| 16:30.39 | Ressy | Now they'll get more donations. |
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| 16:53.26 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/NArShoz.gif |
| 16:53.54 | Neffi | Emasculated by a ball of fur |
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| 16:56.41 | Ackis | I want a kitten :( |
| 16:58.01 | Lopeppeppy | If you lived nearby, I could get you one. |
| 16:58.19 | Ackis | could I give him/her back to you once they growed up? |
| 16:58.46 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. |
| 16:59.06 | Lopeppeppy | My zoo is 4 more than my allergies say I should have. |
| 16:59.25 | Unkle | Kitten with a 'tude. |
| 17:01.33 | Shirik | no you don't |
| 17:01.33 | Lopeppeppy | I'm told that Gobo, one of the guys from this litter, has a good attitude. He hisses like a cobra when you try to get him out from under the recliner. |
| 17:01.36 | Shirik | you want a dog |
| 17:02.22 | Unkle | I will soon be menagerie-less. |
| 17:02.39 | Lopeppeppy | huggles Unkle. |
| 17:14.38 | nicoli_s | im hoping to get a new kitten soon |
| 17:14.44 | nicoli_s | looking for an orange kitty |
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| 17:33.32 | Fisker | hugtackles Lopeppeppy |
| 17:33.38 | Lopeppeppy | Woot. |
| 17:36.46 | Neffi | Too bad you're not in NYC, Acis |
| 17:37.00 | Fisker | yep Lopeppeppy unbelievable |
| 17:37.08 | Neffi | There's a beautiful teenaged cat roaming around my friend's house. Nobody can take him in. |
| 17:37.25 | Neffi | He's been surviving, but he's a little underweight. Aside from that, remarkably healthy for a stray. |
| 17:38.02 | Neffi | Tabby-stripe pattern on his head and tail and a strange warm gray pattern on the rest of his body almost like a siamese. Probably the most interesting fur pattern I've seen in a cat. |
| 17:38.42 | Neffi | And one of the friendliest cats I've seen in a while |
| 17:38.51 | nicoli_s | i love wild kitties |
| 17:38.59 | nicoli_s | theres 2 who hang out at the corner store, so sweet |
| 17:39.18 | Neffi | I really wish I could afford to feed it. |
| 17:39.28 | Neffi | Let alone get my father to agree to let it in the house |
| 17:41.39 | Neffi | I feel so bad. The little guy doesn't even have flees, despite being a stray. But he's definitely eating less than he should. |
| 17:42.12 | Unkle | My dad used to say that he hated cats. /Hated/ them. But he tamed wild strays all the time and spent hours playing with the 5 cats he and my mom had. |
| 17:42.58 | Neffi | --motherfuck |
| 17:43.27 | Neffi | Just checked emails. My brother gets a job offer out of nowhere. Why si everyone lucky but me? |
| 17:44.24 | fewyn | because it's a cruel world |
| 18:11.54 | Ackis | I hate wild kitties nicoli_s |
| 18:12.02 | Ackis | they shouldn't be wild :( |
| 18:12.27 | Ackis | and even me as a critter lover, they're a nuisance :( |
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| 18:14.48 | Fisker | tackles Ackis |
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| 18:15.07 | Ackis | eep I'm tackled |
| 18:17.12 | Fisker | yep |
| 18:18.07 | nicoli_s | Ackis: well these 2 are watched after by the store owners |
| 18:18.13 | nicoli_s | so they are more like outside kitties than wild kitties |
| 18:18.31 | Fisker | hey Ackis |
| 18:18.32 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/6d4STTQ.jpg |
| 18:21.17 | Neffi | Ackis: All kitties are wild kitties. |
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| 18:21.46 | Neffi | Cats are not domesticated animals. Their genesis as a pet lies in a symbiotic relationship. |
| 18:22.07 | Neffi | They took care of our pests and provided us with something adorable to cuddle with, and we gave them food |
| 18:24.05 | Ackis | we had some wild kitties in our condo complex... the one known as "momma cat" had 3 litters of kittens before we decided to deal with her :( |
| 18:24.26 | Neffi | The only way you should deal with her is lots of love and yummy food |
| 18:25.01 | Ackis | not 100% sure what happened but I'm pretty sure her last litter of kittens were adopted out and she went to kitty heaven |
| 18:25.03 | Neffi | Cats are incredible animals. I admire that the Egyptians thought of them as godlike. |
| 18:26.08 | Unkle | They also are host to an organism that infects humans and makes us like cats. |
| 18:26.17 | Unkle | And on that note, I'm out for a bit. |
| 18:27.01 | nicoli_s | i love my kitties and their brain slugs |
| 18:27.17 | Neffi | hehe |
| 18:27.22 | fewyn | [02:24:22 PM] You receive loot: [Ashes of Al'ar]. |
| 18:27.26 | fewyn | everyone can hate me now |
| 18:27.27 | Neffi | All joking aside, the relationship seems too natural. |
| 18:27.41 | kd3 | grr |
| 18:27.49 | Neffi | People say dogs are man's best friend. And their genesis as a pet makes sense too. It was entirely symbiotic. Food for protection. |
| 18:28.11 | Neffi | But dogs are engineered. Cats just happened to be immune to many of the diseases that the pests they were there to get rid of carried. They saved us from the plague. |
| 18:28.38 | Ackis | fewyn: grats |
| 18:29.41 | Ackis | fewyn: when mine dropped, I was so tired I forgot about it the next day... 2 days later my random mount addon put me on it and I got all excited |
| 18:29.51 | fewyn | lol |
| 18:31.18 | Neffi | Maybe I'm too tired to properly use Google.. |
| 18:31.26 | Neffi | What language is mplayer(2)/mpv written in? |
| 18:31.35 | Gnarfoz | english |
| 18:31.40 | Neffi | dammit |
| 18:32.21 | Neffi | Duh. Why didn't I just look at the source? Appears to be straight C. |
| 18:32.54 | Neffi | I'm gonna have fun trying to hack new scaling algorithms into this |
| 18:33.06 | Neffi | If I stop responding after a few days, I've died |
| 18:35.43 | Neffi | Oh wow. They have detailed documentation of the code architecture. That's a big surprise. |
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| 18:43.22 | Henk_ | Where can I find the best API reference? |
| 18:43.52 | Primer | google |
| 18:43.54 | TC-Work | Take a sharp rock and crack open the skull of a Wow dev |
| 18:44.03 | Neffi | Wowpedia.org, Wowprogramming.com |
| 18:44.07 | Neffi | And lol |
| 18:44.22 | Neffi | mpv's scaler already contains the scaling algorithms I use, and prefers them if the hardware can handle it |
| 18:44.54 | Neffi | The code looks nice though. |
| 18:45.40 | Henk_ | Neffi, could you explain mod:event_unregister('PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD',DESTROY)? |
| 18:45.55 | Neffi | Kind of what it sounds like |
| 18:46.13 | Henk_ | Unregister Destroy |
| 18:46.21 | Neffi | nfCoreLib wraps the addon object with its API. So in other words, `mod` which is the addon object gets it API. |
| 18:46.30 | Neffi | mod:event_register/mod:event_unregister take two arguments... |
| 18:46.51 | Neffi | A game event, and a function. They register or deregister that function to be fired on that event. |
| 18:47.18 | Neffi | Right below the function DESTROY, you see it gets registered to the event "PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD". It does its thing on that event, and then de-registers itself. |
| 18:47.57 | Neffi | It deregisters because it's a local function that's not referenced anywhere else. So by deregistering, the function get garbage-collected automatically instead of sitting around consuming memory and never being called again. |
| 18:48.01 | Henk_ | But the function is only called once and unregisters before registering |
| 18:48.11 | Henk_ | oh |
| 18:48.13 | Henk_ | but |
| 18:48.17 | Neffi | Unregisters AFTER registering. The unregister call is inside the function. |
| 18:48.31 | Neffi | It gets called, and when it's done doing its work, it de-registers. It only needs to be run once. |
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| 18:48.46 | Henk_ | oh |
| 18:48.56 | Henk_ | I brainfarted and forgot how functions work |
| 18:49.01 | Neffi | lol |
| 18:49.20 | Neffi | By the way feel free to use the code verbatim, make your changes, whatever |
| 18:49.23 | Henk_ | but the mod variable is a string with "table: ####" |
| 18:49.50 | Neffi | I typically license under MIT which basically says you can do whatever you want as long as you keep my license/copyright message in place. But you can go ahead and use the code as if it were public domain. |
| 18:50.06 | Neffi | Yes, `mod` refers to a table which holds all of the addon stuff |
| 18:50.27 | Henk_ | when i did a for k,v in pairs(mod) i got nill value |
| 18:50.28 | Neffi | Henk_: Give me a sec. I'm gonna help you understand it a lot better. |
| 18:50.35 | Henk_ | Thanks |
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| 18:50.44 | Neffi | `mod` may very well be empty TBH |
| 18:50.58 | Neffi | If the mod doesn't have any public functions or variables, it would just be an empty table |
| 18:51.11 | Neffi | But the table exists because nfCoreLib wraps that table with its API by way of a metatable |
| 18:52.09 | Henk_ | the nfCoreLib is making me very confused |
| 19:02.57 | Neffi | This explains it a little bit |
| 19:02.58 | Neffi | http://pastebin.com/sxxis4nA |
| 19:03.04 | Henk_ | thanks |
| 19:03.06 | Neffi | Think of nfCoreLib as my very tiny version of Ace |
| 19:03.29 | Neffi | It just gives me a couple utility functions, like easy event registering, easy timer creation, and some strange functions for managing frames in the way I like to |
| 19:03.54 | Neffi | What I just linked you is the fine "init.lua" |
| 19:03.58 | Neffi | And an explanation of what it does |
| 19:04.09 | Neffi | It should help you to understand how the rest of my code works |
| 19:04.35 | Henk_ | ok thanks for this, I really appreciate it. |
| 19:04.51 | Neffi | np |
| 19:08.10 | Neffi | You can similarly look through nfCoreLib. If you're having trouble, ... |
| 19:08.35 | Neffi | This explains what nfCoreLib is really doing with the function :new() http://lua-users.org/wiki/MetamethodsTutorial |
| 19:09.32 | Neffi | This may help too http://wowpedia.org/Object-oriented_programming |
| 19:09.50 | Neffi | But note that their style of OOP isn't the same as what I'm doing |
| 19:10.24 | Neffi | They share some core concepts, but I use a simpler system: I don't create classes and all that jazz, I really just leverage inheritance by itself |
| 19:11.00 | Neffi | (Actually I arguably am using a class, depending on what you consider a class, but let's not get into that) |
| 19:11.34 | Henk_ | I just read through it and I think i understand |
| 19:11.45 | Henk_ | I will read through those links as well |
| 19:11.51 | Henk_ | Awesome stuff |
| 19:12.07 | Henk_ | Is the variables saved in the tabel or are just "linked"? |
| 19:13.29 | Neffi | Which variables? |
| 19:13.41 | Neffi | Things added by nfCoreLib are just "linked". Like event_register |
| 19:13.52 | Neffi | That's why they don't show up if you use 'pairs' to look inside |
| 19:14.21 | Neffi | But in the init file you see we inset "name" and "path" into mod. Those should appear inside. |
| 19:14.45 | Neffi | So mod should look like: mod = { name = 'AddonName', path = 'Interface\\AddOns\\AddonName\\', } |
| 19:15.15 | Henk_ | ok |
| 19:17.32 | Semlar | so meta |
| 19:17.41 | Neffi | The only scaler mpv is missing that madVR has is Jinc. I've never used that. Would it be worth implementing? |
| 19:17.57 | Neffi | So Semlar |
| 19:18.40 | nevcairiel | i really like jinc because it has a more natural/analog feeling |
| 19:19.18 | nevcairiel | although its only really great with the anti-ringing filter |
| 19:22.08 | Neffi | I can't seem to find the actual scaling algorithms anywhere |
| 19:22.40 | Neffi | Something suggests it's in a lib, but it's not pulling in that lib as a dependency. It also doesn't appear in its source folder for internal libs. |
| 19:22.44 | Henk_ | Yeaaah, no. I'm lost. |
| 19:23.09 | Neffi | but I have found the frontend that manages which scaling to use, and then hands the video buffer over to the scaling algorithm to be scaled |
| 19:23.30 | Neffi | Also they seem to use Lua for the internal GUI. ^_^ |
| 19:23.54 | Neffi | "local function ass_new()" |
| 19:24.50 | bluspacecow | http://arstechnica.com/apple/2013/10/os-x-10-9/ |
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| 19:41.56 | foxlit | Neffi: This may help too http://wowpedia.org/Object-oriented_programming << Shiiiiiiriiiiiiiiiiik.... |
| 19:42.17 | foxlit | (Shirik, just in case it vowel stretching isn't a ping) |
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| 19:44.52 | fewyn | opening a 20gb sql file is never a good idea |
| 19:48.35 | Ackis | why are we pinging Shirik? |
| 19:48.40 | TC-Work | Depends what you open it in |
| 19:48.49 | Stanzilla | notepad |
| 19:48.49 | Ackis | fewyn: I have 3 people with ghost on my friend safari, and all three of them had the same 2 pokemons |
| 19:49.10 | fewyn | ouch |
| 19:49.12 | fewyn | that sucks Ackis |
| 19:49.31 | fewyn | TC-Work: i'm trying to figure out how best to open it in windows |
| 19:49.40 | Stanzilla | not notepad |
| 19:49.43 | fewyn | yeah |
| 19:49.46 | fewyn | i figured that much |
| 19:49.56 | TC-Work | Actually, notepad handles large files rather well |
| 19:50.04 | fewyn | it loads it all into ram tho |
| 19:50.06 | fewyn | which is not good |
| 19:50.07 | foxlit | Ackis: only one person could be responsible for writing an introduction to OOP in Lua by using examples in C++. |
| 19:50.32 | TC-Work | Import it into sql? |
| 19:50.35 | ccox | (good, nobody suspects me!) |
| 19:50.35 | Ackis | foxlit: lol |
| 19:50.37 | TC-Work | seems like the best way |
| 19:52.07 | fewyn | i just want to verify that it backed up correctly |
| 19:52.29 | TC-Work | Do a diff? |
| 19:53.14 | kd3 | create a scratch database and try to import it? |
| 19:53.31 | fewyn | that's a good idea |
| 19:53.36 | fewyn | :thumbsup: |
| 19:53.49 | fewyn | first i need to go to the grocery store |
| 19:53.53 | fewyn | then i'll do that |
| 20:00.29 | Primer | kd3: Was it you who gave me your Config.wtf for use in wine? |
| 20:00.54 | kd3 | probably |
| 20:01.03 | Primer | kd3: I imagine you don't use the -- -opengl argument to wine? |
| 20:01.12 | Primer | Mine still had that |
| 20:01.20 | kd3 | nope. I've played in d3d mode for a while now |
| 20:01.31 | Primer | But removing it made no difference |
| 20:01.37 | Primer | I started disabling addons |
| 20:01.54 | Primer | and found that performance improved substantially when I disabled PB4 |
| 20:02.29 | kd3 | how I start wow: http://dpaste.com/1427214/ |
| 20:03.04 | Primer | I'm still running the 32 bit one... |
| 20:03.17 | bluspacecow | @kd3 LIEK A BAWSS |
| 20:03.33 | Primer | Are you using wine from your distro? |
| 20:04.03 | Primer | obviously not |
| 20:04.06 | kd3 | nope. I keep up with git (that's why WINELOADER points to somewhere in my home directory) |
| 20:04.21 | Primer | right...I just took the time to actually read the script |
| 20:04.54 | Primer | I suppose it's time to do just that |
| 20:05.37 | bluspacecow | you should add some cheese |
| 20:05.38 | bluspacecow | chees goes well with whine |
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| 20:06.47 | Primer | it'll be interesting to see how quickly it compiles on this machine. The old one took a good 15 minutes |
| 20:07.39 | Primer | If not longer...dont' really recall |
| 20:08.34 | bluspacecow | you need to paint firey stripes on the side of your compiler |
| 20:08.37 | bluspacecow | that'll make it go faster |
| 20:09.44 | Primer | bluspacecow: no, I plugged it into a 220v outlet. I hear that makes it go twice as fast |
| 20:10.59 | kd3 | twiddles his thumbs waiting for the recompile to finish... |
| 20:11.15 | Primer | sigh, this guide doesn't list the compile dependencies |
| 20:11.17 | bluspacecow | *attaches bells to kd3's thumbs* |
| 20:11.23 | bluspacecow | make it interesting |
| 20:11.33 | Primer | I could have sworn there was a page that had the list of packages per-distro for compiling wine |
| 20:11.53 | kd3 | http://wiki.winehq.org/Recommended_Packages |
| 20:11.54 | Primer | there it is |
| 20:11.55 | kd3 | likely out of date |
| 20:12.19 | kd3 | the install-wine-deps script at the top of the page will likely prove useful |
| 20:12.24 | kd3 | likely |
| 20:12.50 | Primer | apparently it's as simple as this: apt-get build-dep wine1.6 |
| 20:13.24 | Primer | with an additional source repo |
| 20:14.09 | Primer | heh, except these instructions don't match what I have in source.list |
| 20:14.26 | Primer | yeah, dated 2010 |
| 20:15.16 | kd3 | oops. trying to compile something with make -j6 doesn't work all that efficiently if two of my four cores are already pegged doing something else |
| 20:15.32 | Primer | just needed to omit the 1.6 part |
| 20:15.58 | Primer | 0 upgraded, 126 newly installed, 0 to remove and 5 not upgraded. |
| 20:15.59 | Primer | Need to get 121 MB of archives. |
| 20:15.59 | Primer | yay |
| 20:16.16 | Primer | I bet ./configure still bails on something |
| 20:16.43 | kd3 | it'll warn you at the end of the output if it's not something important like X |
| 20:16.53 | kd3 | configure: libhal 32-bit development files not found, no legacy dynamic device support. |
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| 20:21.32 | foxlit | I present to you: uTorrent. http://www.go-hero.net/i/ut1.png -> Continue -> http://www.go-hero.net/i/ut2.png -> Decline Offer -> http://www.go-hero.net/i/ut3.png -> You're stuck. |
| 20:22.18 | nevcairiel | i stopped using uTorrent a long time ago, ever since it also transformed into some kind of bloatware |
| 20:22.44 | TC-Work | I stopped using it as well |
| 20:22.55 | TC-Work | although that was mostly because it has issues on win8 |
| 20:23.22 | kd3 | yay for transmission? http://www.transmissionbt.com/ |
| 20:23.32 | nevcairiel | yeah thats what i use now |
| 20:23.50 | nevcairiel | mostly because i can run it headless on my server and control over webinterface, love that feature |
| 20:23.57 | Unkle | foxlit: ... that's BULLSHIT right there. |
| 20:24.15 | kd3 | also <3 for the android app that works over my vpn |
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| 20:25.47 | foxlit | Unkle: it then proceeds to use 100% CPU doing... something |
| 20:26.34 | Stanzilla | quality software |
| 20:26.56 | Amarande | foxlit: it's fabricating reports for the NSA about how you're an evil dissident :) |
| 20:27.08 | Amarande | it's getting back at you for all the times you've probably wallbanged and grumbled "stupid computer" :D |
| 20:29.25 | Unkle | foxlit: Wow. Makes me want to uninstall the older version I've got on this box in solidarity and protest. |
| 20:29.57 | Torhal | foxlit: Show me a client that handles RSS well and I'll gladly ditch it. |
| 20:30.19 | Primer | sure enough...configure: error: Cannot build a 32-bit program, you need to install 32-bit development libraries. |
| 20:30.54 | Amarande | Primer: why do you need to compile a program for 32-bit mode these days, though? |
| 20:31.03 | Amarande | 32-bit support pretty much is for legacy stuff now, new builds should be 64 :) |
| 20:31.14 | Primer | All I did was run ./configure |
| 20:31.23 | kd3 | yah, ok. tell that to windows, where even native stuff is still running in 32-bit mode |
| 20:31.45 | Primer | it seems the deps didn't cover the most basic of deps....like gcc |
| 20:32.00 | Amarande | kd3: we call that a flaw :| |
| 20:32.18 | kd3 | ok, tell me when we enter utopialand and don't have to deal with the present environment |
| 20:32.19 | Amarande | even on Windows I don't see a reason for stuff to be built for 32-bit, although there's still loads of legacy games that are 32-bit |
| 20:32.47 | Amarande | is the 32-bit installation market actually still large enough to warrant not building for 64 by default yet unless you're something hugely popular like WoW? |
| 20:33.21 | Amarande | thought pretty much everyone was dragged kicking and screaming to 64-bit once 4GB of RAM became pretty much the norm even on low end consumer machines :) |
| 20:34.16 | Primer | I'm guessing that wine's ./configure by itself wants to build everything, both 32 and 64 |
| 20:34.20 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.30 | Primer | so I'm just running with it, and installing the 32 bit dev pacakges too |
| 20:34.31 | Amarande | ah, wine |
| 20:34.41 | Amarande | yeah, wine is pretty much the main reason to need 32-bit dev packages on linux nowadays |
| 20:34.45 | Primer | and sure enough, that did it |
| 20:34.54 | Unkle | 32 bit install base is still huge. |
| 20:35.00 | Primer | well, I got farther |
| 20:35.03 | Primer | still missing something |
| 20:35.32 | foxlit | so staring at the console, the installer manages to cause some exception it doesn't catch; and contacts their third party partner servers on exit. |
| 20:35.44 | Primer | now it's the X11 32 bit libs... |
| 20:35.45 | Amarande | what's interesting is that even some stuff that seems to have a fairly strong tie to the enthusiast crowd is still built 32 by default |
| 20:36.33 | Amarande | like firefox ... the official firefox binaries for windows are still 32-bit even now, not a 64-bit one to be found |
| 20:36.57 | Amarande | although I've *also* heard that there's some specific reason why web browsers are better run in 32 rather than 64 |
| 20:37.00 | Amarande | I forget why, though |
| 20:37.08 | kd3 | flash? |
| 20:37.45 | bleeter | was iOS 7 created in M$ Word? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZp7BvQJnU8 |
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| 20:38.41 | Amarande | bleeter: heh, is that a serious rumour or a troll meme? |
| 20:38.59 | Primer | argh, can't figure out what package supplies 32 bit libx11 |
| 20:39.02 | bleeter | Amarande: check the video, you tell me |
| 20:39.08 | Amarande | kd3: ah, yeah, flash perhaps ... although I try to go without flash :) |
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| 20:39.23 | Amarande | I've noticed some websites I visit have had a night-and-day speed improvement since I ditched flash :) |
| 20:39.55 | Amarande | now if google would just get around to encoding youtube ads in html5 |
| 20:40.05 | kd3 | in fedora, it's libX11-devel.i686 |
| 20:41.58 | Primer | here I had to use libx11-dev:i386 |
| 20:42.10 | Primer | not sure why the colon makes it different |
| 20:42.14 | Primer | This in Mint, btw |
| 20:42.24 | Primer | now I'm missing freetype... |
| 20:42.26 | kd3 | it's an apt-vs-rpm thing |
| 20:42.37 | Primer | sigh...they really should update the dep metapackage |
| 20:42.59 | kd3 | apt-get build-dep wine:i386 doesn't work? |
| 20:44.11 | Primer | well, I don't really want a 32 bit wine |
| 20:44.27 | Primer | I'm just meeting the ./configure deps |
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| 20:45.35 | Primer | why the fuck is this package messing with kernel modules? |
| 20:45.36 | Primer | WTF |
| 20:48.47 | Primer | I guess it's time to ./configure --help |
| 20:49.38 | Amarande | Primer: hey, you should feel lucky |
| 20:49.47 | Amarande | back in the day we didn't have easy things like "build dependencies" |
| 20:50.04 | Amarande | back in the day you had to configure and fail, configure and fail, till you managed to hunt down EVERY LIBRARY you needed, without any help from the system |
| 20:50.24 | Primer | I know "back in the day" all too well |
| 20:50.25 | kd3 | which is... what he's doing now? |
| 20:50.28 | Amarande | and yeah we also had to walk uphill in the snow both ways |
| 20:50.32 | Primer | I've been using Linux since 1995 |
| 20:50.36 | Amarande | and we had to stay on foot till level 40 :( |
| 20:50.46 | Amarande | kd3: yeah, but it looks like it at least found some of the stuff for him |
| 20:50.49 | Primer | seems I wanted ./configure --enable-wine64 |
| 20:50.55 | Primer | that bypassed all the 32 bit shit |
| 20:50.59 | kd3 | http://wiki.winehq.org/WineOn64bit#head-c566b84886cf6796aeb272844185262fcae23398 |
| 20:51.05 | Amarande | used to be you didn't get *any* help from the system package manager to find dependencies when compiling stuff |
| 20:51.16 | kd3 | eh, ignore the anchor |
| 20:51.48 | Primer | I'm still missing a few optional features |
| 20:51.50 | bleeter | read the --configure switches?! WHAT MADNESS IS THAT?! |
| 20:52.06 | Amarande | bleeter: well, it's generally considered an advanced feature |
| 20:52.19 | Amarande | pretty much the point of ./configure is it's supposed to figure out most or all of what you need for you, generally |
| 20:52.29 | zenzelezz | I used to read --configure switches... then people switched to Cmake :-| |
| 20:52.36 | Primer | configure: libOSMesa development files not found (or too old), OpenGL rendering in bitmaps won't be supported. |
| 20:52.41 | Primer | is the only one that concerns me |
| 20:53.05 | Amarande | for the most part you don't really mess with flags on ./configure unless you want to install to a non-default directory, compile for a different arch than the one you're running on, and/or alter the CFLAGS |
| 20:53.06 | Primer | but the nvidia libraries should be supplying all the GL shit |
| 20:53.17 | Amarande | such as if you want to optimise it to death because most configure scripts tend to default to -O2 at most :) |
| 20:53.50 | foxlit | I don't like that the launchpad animation now directly corresponds to finger the four finger pinch gesture |
| 20:54.03 | Amarande | foxlit: *four* finger pinch gesture? |
| 20:54.06 | Amarande | wow |
| 20:54.16 | Amarande | I'm still trying to wrap around some of these odd octopus gesture ideas |
| 20:54.28 | foxlit | place hand on trackpad, move thumb in. |
| 20:54.36 | Amarande | like I was reading the requirements for a touchscreen to be considered to properly support windows 8 |
| 20:54.47 | Amarande | and apparently it requires recognition of *five* simultaneous touch points |
| 20:55.13 | Amarande | like are there actually gestures that need five fingers? (and how would you manage them on a full-sized touchscreen at that, unless you're an Old God or something :P) |
| 20:56.01 | Amarande | my touchscreen mojo is like ... one finger gestures, the occasional two finger one (mostly pinches) |
| 20:56.02 | Amarande | heh |
| 20:56.27 | Primer | /home/daniel/wine-git/conftest.c:167: undefined reference to `glAccum' |
| 20:56.37 | Primer | seems to be the offending line in config.log |
| 20:56.59 | Amarande | also, at that, I'm wondering how exactly you would use an app that requires multi-finger touch gestures with a traditional keyboard & mouse interface :S |
| 20:57.33 | Amarande | or if there are or will soon be apps for win8 that simply cannot be used on a desktop unless you shell out for a touchscreen monitor |
| 20:57.55 | Amarande | due to depending on gestures that are physically impossible to duplicate with a mouse |
| 21:00.21 | xyphoid | i have a game on my ipad that requires up to 8 touch points at once |
| 21:00.40 | xyphoid | good party game since you're all clustered around trying to help to pull apart this nest of blades |
| 21:01.19 | foxlit | http://www.go-hero.net/i/lp.jpg << plus the fact that it can get stuck like this is awkward. |
| 21:01.48 | foxlit | (by stuck I mean I'm not holding anything on the track pad while taking that screenshot; you can still scroll away from this properly.) |
| 21:03.51 | Primer | ok, here we go: time make -j4 |
| 21:03.59 | Primer | wow, fans started spinning up |
| 21:08.46 | Primer | damn, 5m |
| 21:13.07 | Unkle | foxlit: I installed last night on my older MBP - but I generally plug in a trackball instead of using the pad. |
| 21:21.10 | jleclanche | ~ping |
| 21:21.10 | purl | ~pong |
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| 21:38.03 | airtonix | Amarande: it's easy to use all 5 touch inputs |
| 21:38.35 | airtonix | Amarande: it's not a question of dexterity, but of input resolution. |
| 21:38.40 | Amarande | airtonix: yeah I'm guessing five-touch usually implies close together objects with one hand, otherwise there's not much reason for it :) |
| 21:38.58 | Amarande | what's more troubling is whether or not there are or soon will be apps where it's time to put away the mouse, even on a desktop |
| 21:39.13 | Amarande | mice generally have the edge on touch in almost all things, ultimately ... *except one* |
| 21:39.19 | airtonix | desktop touch screens are an ergonomic nightmare |
| 21:39.29 | Amarande | which is that you can't click in more than one spot at once, so anything requiring interaction with two simultaneous spots on the screen seems like it would be a no go with a mouse |
| 21:39.49 | airtonix | piano? |
| 21:39.57 | airtonix | turn tables? |
| 21:40.04 | airtonix | painting |
| 21:50.33 | TC-Work | http://kotaku.com/somebody-is-actually-combining-x-wing-and-homeworld-1450413259 That's cool |
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| 21:58.10 | pompy | http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1822324-epic-video-alert-russian-soccer-hooligans-engage-in-all-out-300-style-brawl for motha Russia |
| 21:59.22 | kd3 | I like how even in 2013 ms can't get progress bars right. the bottom bar's been full for a few different items previously acquired... http://i.imgur.com/V9KmDgn.png |
| 21:59.51 | TC-Work | You also have a random blue dot |
| 22:00.17 | kd3 | it's the progress animation. 5 dots come in from the left, pause in the center, then move out to the right |
| 22:00.36 | TC-Work | Should have made it a gif |
| 22:01.00 | airtonix | TC-Work: here you go: http://i.imgur.com/V9KmDgn.gif |
| 22:01.10 | airtonix | nailed it |
| 22:01.23 | TC-Work | Sure you did |
| 22:02.09 | kd3 | and away go the central time people |
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| 22:41.34 | kd3 | holy crap, a 3 gig patch? that can't be right |
| 22:45.00 | kd3 | it is. wtf blizz |
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| 22:49.54 | TC-Work | Maybe it's part of another optimization? |
| 22:50.36 | kd3 | but that would involve moving crap around in mpqs, not redownloading a lot of data |
| 22:50.46 | kd3 | anyway, eta of some time tomorrow for the email |
| 22:51.58 | Gnarfoz | kd3: beta prepatch? \o/ |
| 22:52.00 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 22:52.11 | Gnarfoz | or just 3 huge cinematics, mwahaha |
| 22:52.24 | kd3 | on an otherwise unimportant ptr? they wouldn't let that leak a few weeks before blizzcon |
| 22:52.37 | Gnarfoz | depends on what's in it |
| 22:52.40 | pompy | https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10201894037609613&set=a.10201276205724202.1073741826.1143914113&type=1 |
| 22:52.46 | Gnarfoz | maybe they think they're invulnerable! etc |
| 22:52.51 | TC-Work | It could be a new structure type, so deletion as opposed to moving stuff around. |
| 22:52.52 | Gnarfoz | nah, we'll see ;p |
| 22:53.08 | Gnarfoz | structure type? you think they'd actually change the engine? |
| 22:53.41 | TC-Work | No idea, just offereing alternatives |
| 22:53.52 | Gnarfoz | just checking how probable they are |
| 22:53.53 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 22:54.00 | Gnarfoz | we'll know soon enough, I guess |
| 22:54.06 | Gnarfoz | which reminds me |
| 22:54.09 | Gnarfoz | gotta rent dat car |
| 22:54.18 | Gnarfoz | or we'll have to walk from LAX :P |
| 22:54.55 | Cairenn | Ackis: disgusting, absolutely disgusting. I'd like to see the [responsible] party beaten to match what they did. |
| 22:58.02 | TC-Work | Gnarfoz: I thought there was a shuttle |
| 22:58.10 | pompy | Gnarfoz: yeah super shuttle |
| 22:58.27 | pompy | its like $20 afaik, when i took it in '11 |
| 22:58.58 | Arrowmaster | oh yeah shuttle, i should reserve online ahead of time |
| 22:59.28 | Arrowmaster | its less than $20 i though but close to $20 with tip |
| 22:59.55 | Gnarfoz | nah |
| 23:00.05 | Gnarfoz | we're arriving on wednesday and are staying until 21st |
| 23:00.15 | Gnarfoz | it's a proper holiday with BlizzCon at the beginning (: |
| 23:00.37 | Arrowmaster | you should start the rental now then |
| 23:00.56 | pompy | Arrowmaster: $16 |
| 23:01.03 | Arrowmaster | what time are you arriving on the 6th |
| 23:01.15 | TC-Work | If you are not going to drive before blizzcon though you might as well rent it on the sunday after |
| 23:01.25 | pompy | Arrowmaster: me? |
| 23:01.36 | Arrowmaster | no gnarfoz |
| 23:01.46 | Arrowmaster | your 1hour before kd3 and me right? |
| 23:02.01 | Gnarfoz | TC-Work: but we are :D |
| 23:02.16 | TC-Work | Well then |
| 23:02.18 | pompy | Arrowmaster: yeah |
| 23:02.27 | pompy | 10:41am landing |
| 23:02.29 | Gnarfoz | arriving wednesday noon, enough time to do stuffz :) |
| 23:02.53 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: err, was the "1 hour before" question also for me? |
| 23:02.58 | pompy | lol |
| 23:03.14 | Arrowmaster | Gnarfoz: kd3 and i are landing at 11:51 on wednesday at lax |
| 23:03.17 | Gnarfoz | ah |
| 23:03.28 | Gnarfoz | anyway, landing @ 13:00 |
| 23:03.33 | Arrowmaster | how big of a car are you renting? |
| 23:04.08 | Gnarfoz | that's my task to decide on either now, at work tomorrow, tomorrow night after raid or whenever the hell I can stop procrastinating for 10 minutes |
| 23:05.40 | Gnarfoz | probably healthier if I just go to bed now instead of freaking out over that for a couple of hours :p |
| 23:06.51 | pompy | Gnarfoz: flying solo? |
| 23:06.56 | Gnarfoz | pompy: nope |
| 23:06.59 | TC-Work | He does keep saying 'we' |
| 23:07.04 | pompy | OK |
| 23:07.06 | Gnarfoz | generally, though, something where 2 people with a big-ish trunk each fit comfortably |
| 23:07.19 | Gnarfoz | + don't have to fill up the tank every 5 miles |
| 23:07.19 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 23:09.31 | karl_w_w | tell housemates i have moved my external with media on it to my pc for maintenance -> they still try to access it through the wdtv, again and again |
| 23:11.18 | Gnarfoz | karl_w_w: lovely |
| 23:12.01 | Gnarfoz | I hope I won't pick some car that has like, 1/3 the mpg of mine, haha |
| 23:12.12 | Gnarfoz | I'd have trouble adapting |
| 23:12.49 | Gnarfoz | "hey, lets go on to XYZ-town and find a motel there!" "ok!" *runs out of gas quarter of the way in* |
| 23:13.14 | TC-Work | Get a tesla |
| 23:13.21 | Gnarfoz | that'd be fucking awesome |
| 23:13.36 | Gnarfoz | does anyone actually rent those? :P |
| 23:13.45 | Gnarfoz | err... that's the wrong word somehow |
| 23:13.52 | TC-Work | especially since currently charging stations are mostly free |
| 23:14.02 | TC-Work | no, rent is valid |
| 23:14.08 | Gnarfoz | I meant offer |
| 23:14.13 | karl_w_w | let |
| 23:14.14 | Gnarfoz | i.e. not customers, but businesses |
| 23:14.24 | Gnarfoz | yeah, let, wasn't sure that works for rental cars, too |
| 23:14.35 | Gnarfoz | bleh, anyway |
| 23:14.40 | Gnarfoz | do they? |
| 23:14.58 | TC-Work | http://cleantechnica.com/2013/10/16/tesla-model-s-rentals-now-available-los-angeles-via-mpg-car-rental/ |
| 23:15.03 | TC-Work | It would seem so |
| 23:15.06 | Gnarfoz | the moment we decided to go to BlizzCon/make a holiday of it, I phantasized about somehow getting a chance to drive one |
| 23:15.32 | Gnarfoz | TC-Work: ty :D |
| 23:15.56 | TC-Work | http://www.bwrentacar.com/exotic-car-rental/tesla-model-s-rental.html That one as well, which is ~10 blocks from me |
| 23:16.27 | TC-Work | ew, 3.6K per week |
| 23:16.29 | TC-Work | to rent |
| 23:17.00 | Gnarfoz | ouch, yeah, just saw that |
| 23:18.03 | TC-Work | $500 per day at mpg car rental as well |
| 23:18.19 | TC-Work | Guess you are not renting one of them this trip |
| 23:19.06 | Gnarfoz | unlikely |
| 23:19.06 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 23:19.21 | Gnarfoz | unless I win the lottery without playing |
| 23:19.53 | TC-Work | If you really want to go balls out you can rent a Lamborghini Aventador for $5.5K per day |
| 23:20.01 | Gnarfoz | hehe |
| 23:20.09 | Gnarfoz | but no, I'd actually prefer a Model S |
| 23:20.35 | Gnarfoz | never driven an eletric car before, and Model S is a proper good one, too |
| 23:21.11 | Gnarfoz | actually, if I hadn't sold my bitcoins at ~95€ a couple of months ago, thinking "ok, let's wait until they cool off again" (they were going up and down after the big spike in ~May) |
| 23:21.29 | Gnarfoz | I could probably afford wasting that money on a day of Model S ;p |
| 23:21.42 | Gnarfoz | they're now at 160€ |
| 23:21.58 | Gnarfoz | no idea why, I just hope they collapse again so I can re"invest" |
| 23:22.03 | Gnarfoz | (it's more like gambling, really :D) |
| 23:24.12 | TC-Work | That's exactly what investing is |
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| 23:35.13 | Arrowmaster | go for the telsa, i want to drive one too |
| 23:36.12 | airtonix_ | is that an lcd dashbaord? |
| 23:36.17 | TC-Work | Yes |
| 23:36.18 | airtonix_ | that is hawt |
| 23:37.24 | airtonix_ | 2 "rear facing" trunk seats? |
| 23:38.40 | TC-Work | Sure you are looking at the right stuff? |
| 23:38.53 | airtonix_ | Additional Seating: 2 rear-facing removeable trunk seats |
| 23:38.59 | airtonix_ | http://www.bwrentacar.com/exotic-car-rental/tesla-model-s-rental.html |
| 23:39.03 | Gnarfoz | yep |
| 23:39.09 | Gnarfoz | it's correct |
| 23:39.10 | Gnarfoz | =D |
| 23:39.14 | airtonix_ | what does it mean? |
| 23:39.20 | Gnarfoz | exactly what it says |
| 23:39.31 | airtonix_ | why? |
| 23:39.36 | Gnarfoz | because they can! |
| 23:39.44 | TC-Work | It's aftermarket |
| 23:39.46 | Gnarfoz | no it's not |
| 23:39.47 | airtonix_ | so no real reason? |
| 23:40.01 | Gnarfoz | if by that you mean it's not something Tesla themselves offer |
| 23:40.08 | Gnarfoz | airtonix_: they've got a trunk in the front and in the back |
| 23:40.26 | TC-Work | They are child seats however |
| 23:40.28 | Gnarfoz | so if you don't need luggage but have 4 kids... you can have 2 more seats in the rear |
| 23:40.37 | Gnarfoz | yeah, not sure why they don't mention that |
| 23:40.46 | Gnarfoz | doubt they are big enough for adults ^^ |
| 23:40.58 | TC-Work | I thought you meant adult, I was going "nononono" |
| 23:41.02 | airtonix_ | surely they face forward like the driver and passenger? |
| 23:41.24 | airtonix_ | passengers: 7 |
| 23:41.26 | airtonix_ | wat |
| 23:41.34 | TC-Work | http://www.teslamotors.com/models/features#/interior it's there |
| 23:41.54 | TC-Work | scroll down a few sections |
| 23:42.33 | Gnarfoz | airtonix_: nah, they're rear-facing like it says |
| 23:43.13 | Arrowmaster | i hope the model e is as nice as the model s, im saving to get one when it comes out |
| 23:43.36 | airtonix_ | http://www.teslamotors.com/tesla_theme/images/models/by_the_numbers_2.jpg?20130321 |
| 23:43.46 | airtonix_ | they look forward facing to me |
| 23:43.58 | Gnarfoz | airtonix_: those are not the ones we are talking about, though |
| 23:44.01 | TC-Work | Wrong picture |
| 23:44.06 | Arrowmaster | there are seats in the trunk |
| 23:44.10 | Gnarfoz | check the video right above that picture |
| 23:44.15 | Gnarfoz | the left one |
| 23:44.29 | Gnarfoz | I didn't even realize until I just saw the animation, that they fold into the trunk :D |
| 23:44.55 | Gnarfoz | I always thought they were a "put in or don't put in, as you need" thing, i.e. entirely removable |
| 23:45.17 | Gnarfoz | but that really wouldn't have fit the awesomeness of the car ;p |
| 23:45.52 | airtonix_ | ah i see |
| 23:45.53 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: I thought Model X was next? Or are they following up the S with two others |
| 23:46.28 | Arrowmaster | model X is next followed by an unannounced but widely accepted as coming model E |
| 23:46.30 | TC-Work | E is a mass market S |
| 23:46.35 | TC-Work | more or less |
| 23:46.55 | Arrowmaster | a $30k ish car |
| 23:47.16 | airtonix_ | so it's just storage space under the hood? |
| 23:47.25 | Gnarfoz | airtonix_: basically, yeah. "Frunk" they call it |
| 23:47.28 | Gnarfoz | trunk in the front |
| 23:47.53 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: that'd be sweet, looking forward to that |
| 23:48.32 | Arrowmaster | could do without some of the fluff parts of the model S like the door handles |
| 23:48.48 | Arrowmaster | but i hope they keep the touchscreen console |
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| 23:49.45 | airtonix_ | looks like they're using drupal to run that site |
| 23:49.55 | Arrowmaster | seriously those model S door handles are going to get people killed when the zombie apocalypse happens |
| 23:50.56 | TC-Work | How is that? |
| 23:51.29 | Arrowmaster | have you seen them? |
| 23:51.39 | TC-Work | Yes.... |
| 23:51.46 | TC-Work | Still not getting it though |
| 23:52.18 | Arrowmaster | you have to touch them and wait for them to pop out |
| 23:53.07 | Gnarfoz | I'd be more concerned about the Model X doors, though :P |
| 23:53.27 | Arrowmaster | are those the delorian door? |
| 23:53.48 | TC-Work | They are called gull wing |
| 23:53.55 | Gnarfoz | "falcon wing" they call them |
| 23:54.05 | Gnarfoz | in any case, they don't exactly match any existing type |
| 23:54.08 | TC-Work | Yea, I just notced that, they used to be called gull wings |
| 23:54.18 | Gnarfoz | probably trademarked, haha |
| 23:54.52 | Gnarfoz | they have an extra hinge so they don't go as far out before going up |
| 23:54.59 | Gnarfoz | or rather, so they go up first, then out |
| 23:55.16 | Gnarfoz | see the animation http://www.teslamotors.com/modelx |
| 23:55.36 | Gnarfoz | (if the animation isn't bullshit :P) |
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| 23:58.44 | Neffi | +1 for Tesla |
| 23:59.12 | Neffi | Maybe with the door handles they were interested in reducing drag. |
| 23:59.22 | TC-Work | That and looks |
| 23:59.30 | Neffi | It does have a very low drag coefficient thanks to the bottom of the chassis being essentially flat |
| 23:59.32 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: hah, I wonder how many parents wish they had that tesla |
| 23:59.50 | Amarande | ever have Mom quip at you that if you didn't quit (whatever), you would have to ride in the trunk? |
| 23:59.57 | Amarande | with that, they could really MAKE you ride in the trunk :D |
