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| 01:04.03 | Neffi | Semlar: See if the API for changing the hit rectangle persists when it's re-shown |
| 01:04.11 | Neffi | I forget the API cal.. HitRectInset? |
| 01:04.44 | Neffi | :SetScale MAY also persist, so that can give you a little bit of headroom for reducing the size |
| 01:05.20 | Neffi | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Frame/SetHitRectInsets |
| 01:05.36 | Primer | Trying to recall who here sent me their Config.wtf in a pastebin when using wine |
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| 01:05.45 | Primer | kd3: Was it not you? |
| 01:06.02 | Primer | I discovered that my bottleneck seems to be CPU, specifically with PItBull4 |
| 01:06.16 | Neffi | I wish there was a secure template-style system for defining entire nameplates pre-combat, so you don't have to do this CPU-costly scanning and constant re-skinning |
| 01:06.19 | Neffi | It limits what you can do |
| 01:07.38 | Semlar | i only have to skin each plate once |
| 01:07.58 | Neffi | But certain things get reset, so you often have to define an OnShow for re-applying things |
| 01:08.40 | Neffi | Actually, wow, I'm out of touch |
| 01:08.58 | Neffi | I used to have to use OnShow because my code was bad. My latest nameplate code actually doesn't make much use of OnShow. |
| 01:09.14 | Neffi | It only serves to handle the routine which hides/shows plates based on whether they're "yellow" or "red" |
| 01:10.06 | Neffi | But I was still doing this: function OnUpdate(self) self:SetAlpha(0) end |
| 01:10.16 | Neffi | Because getting things to stay hidden on a nameplate is a PITA |
| 01:12.00 | Semlar | i have no idea if setting the hitrect would affect its clickable area since the frame itself isn't what's clickable |
| 01:12.39 | Neffi | Maybe not. It's worth a try. |
| 01:13.03 | Neffi | Since changing its size affects where it gets hit, I would guess that its hit rectangle comes into play,. |
| 01:13.59 | Amarande | how are we still CPU bound in WoW these days? |
| 01:14.17 | Amarande | it's an almost ten year old engine and these are the days of super fast multicore CPUs :S |
| 01:14.53 | Neffi | A lot of game logic is inherently linear |
| 01:15.34 | Neffi | And CPU peak instruction throughput is going steadily up as we can dedicate more transistors to better branch prediction, more cache, a wider execution engine, etc |
| 01:15.46 | Neffi | But typical gains aren't guaranteed to increase as quickly |
| 01:17.02 | Neffi | Take a look at a lot of other games. How many of them handle what WoW handles without consuming as much CPU? The age of the engine has no bearing on that |
| 01:17.16 | Neffi | It's not like an engine crafted from scratch today would be somehow inherently better |
| 01:18.12 | Neffi | And it's worth noting that WoW handles what it does without its responsiveness suffering. When you press a key to move forward, or right-click and drag, your character moves and your camera pans immediately. A lot of games can't make that claim. |
| 01:19.48 | Semlar | SetHitRectInsets on the frame that controls the clickable area doesn't seem to have any affect |
| 01:20.03 | Neffi | =( |
| 01:20.17 | Neffi | Try SetScale to at least tone its size back to a reasonable level |
| 01:20.59 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure it changes the scale when it gets shown too because of the mini nameplates |
| 01:21.23 | Neffi | ack |
| 01:21.29 | Semlar | yeah it sets the scale and the size |
| 01:22.51 | Semlar | and trying to remove the SetSize / SetWidth / SetHeight methods don't work |
| 01:23.17 | Neffi | No, it wouldn't. At best, it would become a taint nightmare. |
| 01:23.36 | Neffi | IME anything done from C-side doesn't touch the Lua-facing API |
| 01:23.36 | Amarande | Semlar: yeah, don't be *that* addon :) |
| 01:23.51 | Semlar | although i'm not sure if the frame gets reparented so i might be able to do something super drastic |
| 01:24.17 | Neffi | The Lua-side API seem to be a wrapper around the C-side API, probably with extra error checking. C-side mechanics circumvent that wrapper and access the properties directly. |
| 01:24.51 | Neffi | What you're thinking of sounds like an exercise in frustration at the protected system |
| 01:26.00 | Semlar | actually |
| 01:26.37 | Semlar | i did come up with one horrible, horrible method for preventing you from clicking on the nameplates |
| 01:27.01 | Semlar | but i don't really want to prevent you from being able to click on them at all so much as reduce the clickable area |
| 01:27.02 | Neffi | how so? |
| 01:27.28 | Neffi | I'd rather not be able to click them, than have them too large. Because large plates can obscure you clicking on the unit itself. |
| 01:27.50 | Semlar | i hardly even want to mention it since it's so bad |
| 01:27.59 | Neffi | Now I really want to know |
| 01:28.12 | Neffi | It can't be worse than code I have actually used for extended periods of time |
| 01:28.37 | Semlar | i toggle the cvar to display them off and reenable it every other frame to get the plate positions |
| 01:29.00 | Neffi | O.O |
| 01:29.02 | Neffi | lol |
| 01:29.03 | Semlar | there's a delay between when you toggle it on and when they actually display though so uh |
| 01:29.16 | Neffi | I was about to say-- |
| 01:29.17 | Semlar | the code for it is terrifying |
| 01:29.22 | Semlar | but it does work |
| 01:29.34 | Semlar | although when you hover over the frame the tooltip flips out |
| 01:29.44 | Semlar | might have to do something to prevent that |
| 01:30.43 | Neffi | Have you tried doing :EnableMouse(false) ? |
| 01:30.47 | Neffi | I doubt it'd work, but it's worth a try |
| 01:31.10 | Semlar | they aren't mouse enabled to begin with so i kinda doubt that would make any difference |
| 01:31.26 | Semlar | technically enabling the mouse should block being able to click on them |
| 01:31.31 | Neffi | hmm |
| 01:31.33 | Semlar | but it would also prevent you from being able to click under them |
| 01:31.40 | Neffi | I see this |
| 01:32.30 | Semlar | so it would block being able to rotate the camera and stuff unless you like built mouselookstart into that |
| 01:32.48 | Neffi | >_> |
| 01:32.52 | Semlar | nah i would rather completely disable the nameplates when you mouse over it than that |
| 01:33.02 | Neffi | Also, it QT4 thoroughly hardware accelerated on Windows? |
| 01:33.15 | Neffi | Resizing Quassel is slightly choppier than other stuff |
| 01:33.34 | Shirik | :( |
| 01:33.39 | Shirik | received a letter from adobe today |
| 01:33.50 | Semlar | adobe got hacked as fug |
| 01:33.51 | Neffi | Dear John? |
| 01:34.02 | Shirik | so apparently I'm one of the affected customers |
| 01:34.05 | Semlar | you better change any other accounts that use the same password |
| 01:34.17 | Dagmar | "affected customers" == "teh everyone" |
| 01:34.19 | Shirik | I don't use the same password anywhere |
| 01:34.32 | Shirik | consequently |
| 01:34.35 | Dagmar | I wasnt even aware I had an account with them |
| 01:34.37 | Shirik | It takes me like 5 tries to log in each time |
| 01:34.55 | Semlar | yeah even if you didn't get an email your account was probably compromised |
| 01:34.58 | Semlar | i think they took everything |
| 01:37.28 | Shirik | in other news |
| 01:37.59 | Shirik | someone teach me how to, in Outlook, automatically respond to anyone who sends an email with a read receipt with "Your email has been automatically deleted. Please resend your email without a read receipt request or do not send it at all." |
| 01:38.22 | Dagmar | Filters. |
| 01:38.34 | Shirik | I tried but I can't find a way to detect the read receipt |
| 01:38.54 | Corrodias2 | i think you can have outlook always not respond to read receipts. i am pretty sure mine has an "always do this choice" button. but that's not an answer to your question. |
| 01:38.56 | Dagmar | Match the header, probably |
| 01:39.24 | Dagmar | Probably more amusing to send 300-400 reciepts back |
| 01:40.46 | Shirik | that's not the point Corrodias2 |
| 01:40.57 | Primer | yay, DCd while entering a bg, now I can't get back on that toon |
| 01:40.58 | Shirik | the point is our receptionist insists on sending EVERYTHING with read receipt request |
| 01:41.04 | Primer | disabled all addons...still can't get in |
| 01:41.15 | Shirik | including the "oh look at our halloween ideas" emails |
| 01:44.47 | Dagmar | Shirik: Disposition-Notification-To header |
| 01:45.03 | Dagmar | See also http://blogs.technet.com/b/exchange/archive/2011/02/23/3412028.aspx |
| 01:46.00 | Primer | hrmm, dude selling vial of the sands for 21k...isn't that well below the price of the vendor mats alone? |
| 01:46.11 | Primer | And what is all this talk about "duped" items? |
| 01:46.59 | kd3 | I doubt duped... more like mats "acquired" from other stolen accounts |
| 01:47.24 | Primer | So what happens if it's determined that an item was sold with stolen mats? |
| 01:47.32 | kd3 | *yank* |
| 01:47.35 | Primer | but was properly sold to an unsuspecting buyer? |
| 01:47.44 | Primer | And was then learned |
| 01:49.21 | Primer | My understanding is that some people use these mats to transfer all their gold to other realms |
| 01:49.33 | Primer | since you can only bring 50k gold on one toon |
| 01:49.53 | Primer | And therefore are willing to take a loss on them upon arriving at the new realm |
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| 02:03.49 | Shirik | thanks Dagmar |
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| 02:13.10 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:13.59 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 02:14.01 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
| 02:14.06 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:14.37 | kd3 | some things transfer over. others don't. all I can suggest is try it and see |
| 02:14.38 | Primer | if you have such things set to sync, which I believe is the default, then yes |
| 02:14.56 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:15.15 | Primer | there are 4 syncronize* cvars |
| 02:15.29 | Primer | well, 3, as one is the other 3 combined, IIRC |
| 02:15.47 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:15.53 | Primer | grep -i sync World\ of\ Warcraft/WTF/Config.wtf |
| 02:15.54 | Primer | SET synchronizeBindings "0" |
| 02:15.54 | Primer | SET synchronizeConfig "0" |
| 02:15.54 | Primer | SET synchronizeMacros "0" |
| 02:15.54 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:16.05 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:16.35 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:17.09 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:17.30 | kd3 | set them to 1 to turn them on, and it's /console synchronizeBindings 1 |
| 02:17.43 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:17.50 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:17.57 | Fisker | sobs |
| 02:18.04 | Primer | np |
| 02:18.11 | kd3 | 'lo fisk-fisk |
| 02:19.07 | Fisker | yay |
| 02:20.24 | airtonix | low indeed |
| 02:22.23 | Amarande | Primer: ah, transfer is a fixed cap of 50k per character regardless? |
| 02:22.31 | kd3 | ot |
| 02:22.37 | kd3 | it's lower if you're lower-level |
| 02:22.40 | Amarande | I'd always wondered what the cap was, and also whether any other factors come into play, like level |
| 02:23.05 | Amarande | now that's odd :) |
| 02:23.19 | Amarande | one would almost want to make the limit *higher* for lower level characters ... heh |
| 02:24.30 | Amarande | at least, thinking of it this way: the more you limit the amount that lower level characters can bring with them to a new server |
| 02:24.38 | Fisker | Looking forward not to not getting that headless horseman mount again |
| 02:24.40 | Amarande | the more you encourage people to mostly only transfer mains and leave their alts behind |
| 02:24.44 | Fisker | because I'm not a shitty griefer |
| 02:25.00 | Fisker | double negative fail |
| 02:25.25 | Amarande | the more you let people take on lower level characters, the more you encourage them to transfer their alts too, which means more fees for Blizzard :) |
| 02:26.03 | Amarande | btw, is there any limitation whatever on items during a server transfer, or only gold? |
| 02:26.33 | Fisker | only gold |
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| 02:30.13 | Thunder_Child | You are a good griefer? |
| 02:30.35 | airtonix | the best |
| 02:31.19 | Fisker | yes Thunder_Child |
| 02:31.20 | Fisker | totally |
| 02:31.21 | Fisker | (no) |
| 02:32.26 | Thunder_Child | So then you ARE a shitty griefer. Geez, stop lying. |
| 02:33.36 | Fisker | nope |
| 02:34.02 | Fisker | http://www.neowin.net/news/was-ios-7-created-in-microsoft-word btw |
| 02:37.49 | Fisker | yeah that put you in your place Thunder_Child |
| 02:37.55 | Thunder_Child | Huh, did not know you could do all that in ms wor |
| 02:37.56 | Thunder_Child | d |
| 02:37.59 | Thunder_Child | I am impressed |
| 02:38.30 | airtonix | do you even type bro? |
| 02:39.06 | Thunder_Child | not well |
| 02:43.13 | Primer | Amarande: AFAIK |
| 02:55.59 | Aeger73 | anyone have experiance adding the profile options to in gae options. Having problems at with http://pastebin.com/DmVq7UTT the normal options show I just dont see the profiles part |
| 02:56.01 | pompy | AFAIFK |
| 03:01.54 | Neffi | -That's really cool, Fisker |
| 03:02.01 | Fisker | yes |
| 03:02.36 | Neffi | I doubt if LibreOffice could manage |
| 03:10.31 | airtonix | it's actually kinda sad |
| 03:10.59 | airtonix | and explains everything about the definicies of the ui |
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| 03:54.20 | karl_w_w | http://imgur.com/gallery/2mlIP |
| 03:56.59 | karl_w_w | 80HD |
| 03:59.59 | airtonix | is that like wd40? |
| 04:05.06 | Thunder_Child | no, that's adhd the ebonics version. |
| 04:05.55 | Amarande | dammit, why is it that every time I get back into WoW after a hiatus I can't really seem to easily get back into my present characters |
| 04:06.08 | Amarande | I log onto them, but I don't seem to get the "feel" back |
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| 04:08.38 | karl_w_w | you need the blue stuff, Amarande |
| 04:08.50 | Amarande | blue stuff? |
| 04:13.04 | airtonix | dem crystals |
| 04:14.32 | Amarande | yay they must have hotfixed the duplicating friends thing |
| 04:15.01 | airtonix | reported. |
| 04:15.44 | airtonix | is that the reason why you can't "get the feel" ? |
| 04:16.12 | Amarande | heh. a couple weeks ago when I logged on it seemed like every time a friend logged on or off, the UI would create a duplicate set of the entire friends list |
| 04:16.19 | Amarande | it would get up to "(Friend) 5" at times |
| 04:16.32 | Amarande | :p |
| 04:16.40 | Amarande | I mean, when I take a few months off WoW and try to come back |
| 04:16.55 | Amarande | and try to play existing characters, they just don't seem like the characters I left, and I find it difficult to continue on them |
| 04:17.03 | Amarande | I usually have to roll brand new characters, often on an entirely new server |
| 04:17.24 | Amarande | ever get that feeling when you take a break? |
| 04:17.47 | airtonix | last time i played was three years ago |
| 04:17.47 | Amarande | it's like the corresponding thing in single player games, where you take a break for too long, try to reload your saved game and find you can't seem to get back into that playthrough and have to start over |
| 04:17.57 | airtonix | probably four actually |
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| 05:01.43 | adys | https://github.com/quassel/quassel/commit/f04db2cb802b1296ca739c823495930c71d3b4ab |
| 05:01.44 | adys | nice. |
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| 05:35.06 | Fisker | morning tharper |
| 05:35.10 | tharper | morning! |
| 05:35.12 | tharper | it's dark |
| 05:35.20 | Fisker | kinda |
| 05:35.26 | Fisker | one week left |
| 05:35.50 | Fisker | btw you guys are easy to stalk |
| 05:37.12 | Fisker | I had to use a raincoat yesterday :( |
| 05:38.00 | jnwhiteh | i mean, there's a park outside out flat |
| 05:38.05 | jnwhiteh | you can sit there and act homeless |
| 05:38.10 | jnwhiteh | and get away with it for quite some time |
| 05:38.13 | jnwhiteh | but we split up when we go to work |
| 05:38.19 | jnwhiteh | so you'd need two people to follow us |
| 05:38.29 | airtonix | fisker is only one? |
| 05:38.38 | Fisker | I'm multiple |
| 05:38.48 | airtonix | we* |
| 05:39.08 | Fisker | I just saw that Sweden has this awesome online stalker directory |
| 05:39.22 | Thunder_Child | Fisker is legion |
| 05:39.27 | airtonix | swedebook.com? |
| 05:39.50 | Fisker | I'm sure jokes about tharper's birthday got old many years ago |
| 05:40.02 | Fisker | nope airtonix |
| 05:40.03 | Stanzilla | what is it |
| 05:40.12 | Fisker | I won't say |
| 05:40.24 | airtonix | swedishstalke.rs |
| 05:40.27 | tharper | hehehe |
| 05:40.30 | Stanzilla | mine is april 1st |
| 05:40.32 | tharper | ratsit.se |
| 05:40.34 | Stanzilla | can't get more retarded |
| 05:40.39 | Fisker | lol Stanzilla |
| 05:40.40 | tharper | upplysning.se |
| 05:40.46 | tharper | birthday.se |
| 05:40.48 | tharper | hitta.se |
| 05:40.53 | tharper | eniro.se |
| 05:40.55 | tharper | pick one, heh |
| 05:40.56 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 05:41.01 | Fisker | still |
| 05:41.12 | karl_w_w | does anyone know if you can reach grandmaster in hearthstone yet? |
| 05:41.12 | Fisker | date of birth is creepy |
| 05:41.21 | karl_w_w | i know it was disabled pre-wipe |
| 05:41.28 | Fisker | and SSN if you register apparently |
| 05:41.56 | tharper | Fisker: to get someone's ssn you have to reveal give your own and the person is notified |
| 05:42.06 | tharper | s/give// |
| 05:42.16 | Fisker | ah OK |
| 05:42.32 | tharper | but name address and dob is pretty good for stalking |
| 05:42.43 | Fisker | yeah |
| 05:42.44 | tharper | but shockingly there's onl a few hundred protected persons in Sweden |
| 05:43.01 | tharper | and your name doesn't show up there until you turn 18, I believe |
| 05:43.22 | Stanzilla | already too old for girls |
| 05:43.23 | Fisker | I want something like this for dk |
| 05:43.52 | Fisker | gotta walk to work brb |
| 05:44.50 | Stanzilla | get a bike son |
| 05:47.33 | Fisker | back |
| 05:47.37 | Fisker | why Stanzilla? |
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| 05:52.18 | Stanzilla | teh lulz |
| 05:52.59 | Fisker | I don't see the lulz :( |
| 05:53.35 | Stanzilla | I'm tired, leave me alone |
| 05:53.49 | Stanzilla | I finally found a working batman save game though |
| 05:53.57 | Fisker | good |
| 05:55.00 | Stanzilla | it's missing the harley quinn dlc quests but better than nothing |
| 05:55.03 | airtonix | http://www.digitalattackmap.com |
| 05:55.37 | airtonix | i feel like i need another lcd just for this |
| 05:55.52 | Stanzilla | in other good news Fisker |
| 05:56.00 | Stanzilla | I'm not out of pills like I thought I was |
| 05:57.38 | Fisker | How is that good? |
| 05:57.54 | Stanzilla | I thought I had to get new ones |
| 05:57.56 | Stanzilla | now I donÄt |
| 05:58.21 | Fisker | Oh I can't read |
| 05:58.28 | Fisker | Thought you wrote you were out of pills |
| 05:58.36 | Stanzilla | =) |
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| 06:19.26 | airtonix | Mark Shuttleworth: "What closely to see how competitors to Canonical torture the English language" |
| 06:19.33 | airtonix | i think he's mad |
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| 06:23.44 | airtonix | jleclanche: so when you use dotcloud, where does your static files go ? |
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| 10:09.04 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
| 10:09.09 | Fisker | hope you don't DIE |
| 10:10.22 | bluspacecow | …. |
| 10:10.27 | bluspacecow | Acrobat Newgo |
| 10:10.31 | bluspacecow | a game about a cow |
| 10:10.34 | bluspacecow | in boxer shorts |
| 10:10.37 | bluspacecow | catching pot on his head |
| 10:10.45 | bluspacecow | wat |
| 10:13.36 | bluspacecow | awe cuty pony jumps |
| 10:13.45 | bluspacecow | yeah thats the full name of a game |
| 10:42.07 | karl_w_w | i once named a game |
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| 11:02.21 | Stanzilla | new nvidia linux drivers up btw |
| 11:04.45 | haste | do they work with 3.12-rcN yet? |
| 11:05.18 | Stanzilla | dunno |
| 11:05.30 | Stanzilla | http://www.nvidia.de/download/driverResults.aspx/68748 |
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| 11:19.03 | airtonix | http://imgur.com/gallery/bo4vhpx |
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| 11:46.17 | karl_w_w | double yew tee eff |
| 11:46.32 | karl_w_w | I have a lightspawn in this priest deck apparently |
| 11:46.37 | karl_w_w | but I never draw it |
| 11:46.58 | karl_w_w | including when I have played my entire deck and both players are on fatigue |
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| 14:28.59 | Ackis | fewyn: add 0259-0613-7631 (my wife), also pompy has Pokemon |
| 14:32.18 | Dagmar | I must say that if someone said "O-Powers" to me last month, I would have gotten an entirely different idea |
| 14:33.13 | Ackis | o-faces some o-powers |
| 14:33.19 | Lopeppeppy | Wait. Ackis. |
| 14:33.22 | Lopeppeppy | goes and Facebooks. |
| 14:33.28 | Ackis | it's funny, the game has PP Up and O-Powers! |
| 14:45.13 | sankle | up them pps! |
| 14:45.24 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v nicoli_s] by ChanServ |
| 14:46.40 | Ackis | nicoli_s: do you know of a web tool that I can say I want move X, Y, and Z, which pokemon can learn all of them? |
| 14:47.04 | nicoli_s | not sure |
| 14:47.20 | nicoli_s | would be a good feature to add to marriland though |
| 14:47.44 | Ackis | think you could whip up a beta version by noon? ;) |
| 14:47.56 | Dagmar | I always found it amusing that _ether_ is what's used to power up POkemon |
| 14:48.15 | Dagmar | Normally, that sort of thing doesn't work out so well. |
| 14:48.26 | nicoli_s | Ackis: i wish, im not on marriland most times |
| 14:48.39 | nicoli_s | i only added XY support cuz i designed the system for us to edit the pokemon data |
| 14:48.47 | Ackis | well get on it today! |
| 14:48.48 | Ackis | :D |
| 14:49.09 | nicoli_s | cant, got lolnexus stuff to do |
| 14:50.02 | Ackis | lol sucks |
| 14:50.06 | Ackis | pokemon is the master race |
| 14:50.10 | Mihau | Pokemon is clearly more important. |
| 14:51.19 | VIad | Nice to see pokemon talk. |
| 14:51.40 | VIad | Who plays x/y? ;) |
| 14:52.03 | Ackis | me, pompy, fewyn |
| 14:52.08 | Mihau | Not me. |
| 14:52.26 | Mihau | Just clear that Pokemon > LoL. |
| 14:52.41 | g0urra | VIad: me |
| 14:52.45 | Dagmar | I'm playing Y as well |
| 14:52.48 | VIad | shall we trade friend ids? need them safaris! |
| 14:52.50 | g0urra | I play Y too |
| 14:52.55 | Dagmar | ...and AC:NL, because I'm a glutton |
| 14:53.04 | Ackis | also afk, if you want my friend code send me a PM |
| 14:53.06 | AcidWeb | Someone somehow have redundant invitation to Hearstone? Im looking for one for my friend. |
| 14:53.08 | VIad | we should make a google doc file like the realid, only for pokemon ids |
| 14:53.10 | Dagmar | 4957-3527-0530 |
| 14:53.51 | nicoli_s | well sadly pokemon < lol when it comes to our web traffic |
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| 14:56.47 | TC-Work | Careful Ackis, you will get kicked by Shirik for comments like that. |
| 15:11.35 | Neffi | Fuck all this new Pokemon stuff |
| 15:11.41 | VIad | sorry for the afk, was making ourselves a spreadsheet :P |
| 15:11.42 | Neffi | Gen 1 & 2 was where it was at |
| 15:11.50 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:13.05 | Neffi | Does anyone know if it's possible to create a separate tab or some other mechanism for storing all pings/highlighted messages/incoming messages on Quassel? |
| 15:13.51 | nevcairiel | you can use the chat monitor and only make it show highlights |
| 15:14.11 | Neffi | So that's what that thing is useful for |
| 15:14.23 | Neffi | I couldn't figure out why I wanted a separate box that showed the same thing |
| 15:14.25 | nevcairiel | well it can also be used as a one-stop view for multiple channels |
| 15:14.34 | nevcairiel | its not that useless |
| 15:14.52 | Neffi | If I can see all pings and personal messages from all channels in one spot, that's really great |
| 15:15.23 | nevcairiel | not sure about pms, but it can certainly be configured to show all pings |
| 15:15.44 | VIad | what do you think of this? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ak7MVGf2TyuYdGJEQUhZVjVOV1g3cTl4T01OeXZsYkE |
| 15:15.48 | TC-Work | pms show up in the all chats section |
| 15:15.56 | Neffi | That's perfect if Quassel handles PMs in some other special way |
| 15:16.02 | Neffi | Somebody wanna PM me so I can see how that works? |
| 15:16.10 | nevcairiel | new buffers show up below the channels .P |
| 15:16.18 | Neffi | Oh, nev |
| 15:16.23 | Neffi | I had a question for you |
| 15:16.43 | Neffi | "Hey video people: What's a recommended setup for high-quality video playback on Linux? Something analogous to MPC+LAV+madVR " |
| 15:16.44 | TC-Work | run nev, run |
| 15:17.07 | Neffi | Looking for very good quality upcaling/downscaling |
| 15:17.07 | nevcairiel | i wouldnt use linux and high-quality video playback inthe same sentence |
| 15:17.19 | Neffi | Dammit, I think somebody else said that =( |
| 15:17.47 | nevcairiel | but if you must, look at mpv |
| 15:17.53 | Neffi | Well hell if I'm gonna let that slide. I guess I'll be reading up on scaling algorithms and picking apart madVR. Maybe I can contribute something really awesome to mpv. |
| 15:19.06 | nevcairiel | afaik, mpv should already have a half-decent opengl renderer with a couple good pixel scalers |
| 15:19.29 | Neffi | I'll pick mpv apart to see if it offers what's on par with madVR |
| 15:19.38 | Neffi | And if there's a good enough configuration |
| 15:19.42 | nevcairiel | it doesnt, but its the best you can do |
| 15:20.06 | Neffi | Well the best I can do is contributing that feature |
| 15:20.23 | Neffi | I guess I've found a little pet project that I actually care about |
| 15:20.29 | nevcairiel | sure, but madVR isnt open source, so you have to invent it again =p |
| 15:20.53 | Neffi | Well the configuration is telling enough, that I should be able to replicate much of what it does |
| 15:21.12 | Neffi | At least, it makes the user aware of what scaling algorithms it implements, and I can find the details of them |
| 15:21.23 | nevcairiel | the magic is in the algorithms, and while those are kinda common knowledge, implementing them efficiently is the magic |
| 15:22.17 | nevcairiel | pixel shaders are a weird programming language if you ask me :p |
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| 15:22.49 | Neffi | ...I think that network hiccup was purely Quassel's fault |
| 15:23.12 | Neffi | Anyway, I don't think madVR is a pillar of efficient design. It can saturate a GPU pretty damn easily. |
| 15:23.16 | VIad | Ackis, pompy, fewyn, Mihau, g0urra, Dagmar if you wish maybe we can make a list like the battletag one at http://goo.gl/qKh07f ? |
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| 15:23.37 | TC-Work | or just add it in there as another column |
| 15:23.45 | VIad | you decide |
| 15:23.53 | nevcairiel | maybe the work it needs to do is just too much for your GPU? :D |
| 15:23.58 | TC-Work | I don't care |
| 15:24.00 | nevcairiel | 8-tap scaling is extremely demanding |
| 15:24.05 | TC-Work | I don't play pokemon |
| 15:24.06 | nevcairiel | and useless, but thats another topic |
| 15:24.16 | Neffi | I don't touch 8-tap stuff |
| 15:24.19 | g0urra | VIad: what if you have both yellow and Y |
| 15:24.29 | Neffi | Maybe it just is too demanding to use Lanxzos |
| 15:24.36 | Neffi | Or however the hell you spell that |
| 15:24.44 | VIad | good question, maybe keeping the list chronological helps :P |
| 15:24.47 | VIad | oldest to latest |
| 15:24.48 | nevcairiel | what kind of gpu do you have? that shouldnt be too slow |
| 15:24.55 | nevcairiel | even my intel iGPU can do lanczos |
| 15:25.05 | Neffi | Intel HD3000 |
| 15:25.17 | VIad | Dagmar my code is on that spreadsheet if you wanna add it too |
| 15:25.31 | nevcairiel | hmyeah thats a bit borderline, 3tap may work, depending on which speed memory you bought |
| 15:25.37 | Neffi | It can do Lanczos, but it easily peaks it out in the upper 90th percentage load |
| 15:25.45 | Unkle | So apparently the BNet Launcher makes me lazy and forgetful. |
| 15:26.02 | nevcairiel | the HD3000 doesnt have all that much shader power in it |
| 15:26.25 | Neffi | Well I've been itching to build a new machine for a long time anyway |
| 15:26.50 | Neffi | My first chunk of disposable cash is going towards that. And I'll have a mid-range NVidia card to play with. |
| 15:27.12 | nevcairiel | i got a GTX 660 in my HTPC right now, nice mid-range model for video |
| 15:27.39 | Neffi | I imagine that thing can handle the best scaling, no? |
| 15:27.44 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 15:27.58 | Neffi | I'm still on the fence about whether or not I'll continue gaming on my computer. |
| 15:28.00 | TC-Work | That's spiffy, synergy is enabling drag and drop |
| 15:28.34 | nevcairiel | i use Jinc 4-tap with anti-ringing, pretty much the best quality you can get, but forget using that on Intel |
| 15:28.39 | Neffi | I really want to jump ship from Windows because I don't like it's direction, so at best I'll be running Steam's Linux offerings. Probably gonna grab a PS4 to continue serious gaming. |
| 15:28.40 | Unkle | Neffi: NVidia just announced a bunch of new cards - might wait a month or two for the inevitable price drops. |
| 15:28.45 | VIad | would be nice if the console notified you when someone adds you, instead of having to make both people add each others codes |
| 15:29.06 | Neffi | Unkle: It'll be a month or three before I can afford it, but thanks for the tip. I might've not bothered to look into new stuff. |
| 15:29.37 | Unkle | They had a presser Thursday I think. |
| 15:30.06 | Neffi | Inline with the 700 series or is this some incredibly early release of the next architecture? |
| 15:30.25 | Neffi | -- actually, the timing says they're fleshing out the 700 series |
| 15:30.49 | nevcairiel | the press thing was mostly about their new G-SYNC thing |
| 15:31.07 | Neffi | Probably held off low-yield cores and are gonna push out mid-low cards with core disabling |
| 15:31.13 | nevcairiel | but they mentioned a few of the new mid-range 700's |
| 15:31.18 | g0urra | aw, I got a virtual cake in the poké center :3 |
| 15:31.35 | Neffi | Perfect |
| 15:32.00 | Neffi | All I'm gonna really aim for is a card sufficient to do high quality video, some new gaming at medium or higher, at just 1080p |
| 15:32.14 | Neffi | PS4 seems like a better investment, since the only game I'm looking forward to is ESO |
| 15:32.35 | Neffi | I'm tired of sticking with Windows just to game, when I honestly prefer using *nix |
| 15:33.22 | TC-Work | Then get enough hardware to run a vbox |
| 15:33.39 | TC-Work | afaik you if you have dual gfx cards you can pass one through |
| 15:33.51 | nevcairiel | that never really works properly |
| 15:33.52 | TC-Work | I should test that at home |
| 15:33.55 | Neffi | That's a possibility nowadays that GPU passthrough is being implemented by at least a few hypervisors |
| 15:34.12 | Neffi | I've heard of several people being very successful with GPU passthrough |
| 15:34.49 | Neffi | But I think it requires VT-d, which is missing from the overclockable Intel chips. And if you're running a game with high CPU cost, it's gonna suffer -- probably more than in Wine |
| 15:35.22 | nevcairiel | it indeed needs VT-d |
| 15:35.46 | Neffi | I'm not gonna buy a non-overclockable chip |
| 15:36.15 | Neffi | The only reason I'd see myself buying a non-K chip, is if I was going with a Xeon for a workstation where I wanted ECC for some reason that's probably unnecessary |
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| 15:36.38 | henk_ | Hello! |
| 15:36.41 | henk_ | Is this chat active? |
| 15:36.45 | Neffi | 'lo mate |
| 15:36.45 | TC-Work | Nope |
| 15:37.04 | Neffi | Look at the user list and tell me |
| 15:37.06 | TC-Work | We are a meat popsicle |
| 15:37.18 | fewyn | nope |
| 15:37.21 | fewyn | no one alive in here |
| 15:37.21 | henk_ | Nice to hear, Im having problems with my Minimap |
| 15:37.23 | fewyn | just us wabbits |
| 15:37.30 | henk_ | Just started with wow addons |
| 15:37.30 | henk_ | http://pastebin.com/ZhfR0wGY |
| 15:37.38 | henk_ | The minimap is a square but green |
| 15:38.00 | henk_ | mask.tga is a 2x2 8bit grayscale |
| 15:38.06 | Neffi | There could be a reason for that, but before you get any further... |
| 15:38.08 | henk_ | no alpha channel |
| 15:38.12 | Neffi | Don't create another Minimap |
| 15:38.16 | nevcairiel | If you just started with wow addons, you should really not start creating a second minimap |
| 15:38.20 | Neffi | The engine doesn't like you having 2 minimaps |
| 15:38.29 | henk_ | Im not going to publish it |
| 15:38.39 | Neffi | Just remove the cruft off the main minimap you don't want, and set it up the way you want |
| 15:38.40 | henk_ | I want more settings for my minimap |
| 15:38.53 | nevcairiel | thats not the problem, just that creating a new minimap frame is quite annoying |
| 15:38.54 | Neffi | If you want it to work well, then reuse the existing minimap |
| 15:39.31 | henk_ | The quest givers were jumping around but with I MinimapCluster:Hide() they stoped |
| 15:39.36 | Neffi | There's a reason every single minimap addon I know of reuses the existing Minimap object. That;s the way to go. |
| 15:40.10 | Neffi | You can do something like hide MinimapCluster, and do Minimap:SetParent(UIParent) to get an almost-bare Minimap |
| 15:40.18 | Neffi | And then remove the extra objects by hand, and add in what you want |
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| 15:40.37 | Neffi | If you want it square, Minimap:SetTexture('Interface\\Buttons\\WHITE8X8') |
| 15:41.08 | Neffi | Here, I'll give you my code that I use for a super-simple minimap |
| 15:41.58 | henk_ | Ok thanks |
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| 15:44.01 | Neffi | http://pastebin.com/4CtPMAH0 |
| 15:45.04 | Neffi | If you want to see my minimap in action, here https://www.dropbox.com/s/q53vljbhi15dhsm/nfMinimap.zip |
| 15:45.15 | Neffi | Will almost definitely conflict with other miniamp addons |
| 15:46.13 | henk_ | Why is creating a new minimap frame such a bad idea? |
| 15:46.45 | Neffi | http://wowpedia.org/GetMinimapShape is the relevant standard I mentioned |
| 15:46.58 | Neffi | The game engine handles the Minimap on its own, not through the UI engine |
| 15:47.06 | Neffi | So when things are "unexpected", it breaks |
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| 15:47.29 | henk_ | ok |
| 15:47.29 | Neffi | Like having two different sized minimaps is a nightmare for the engine. Lots of other setups just cause the whole thing to act very strangely and it'simpossible to fix |
| 15:47.39 | Neffi | Addons have no control over how the minimap is rendered |
| 15:48.57 | Neffi | There are legitimate uses when you're doing very non-standard things, but it's strongly recommended not to do that unless you a very good understanding of WoW's addon environment and can stand debugging issues out of your control for hours on end |
| 15:49.22 | henk_ | ok |
| 15:49.27 | Neffi | I think Semlar is our resident map expert |
| 15:49.38 | Neffi | He figured out a shitload about the map making one of his projects |
| 15:52.23 | Neffi | Fuck, I forgot my anti-axiety meds were twice as strong as my tried brain assumed |
| 15:52.26 | Neffi | I'm a bit loopy |
| 15:52.41 | TC-Work | but calm |
| 15:52.48 | Neffi | yeah, but wavy |
| 15:53.10 | Neffi | I drank an Arizona Caution to wake up to, and I'm brewing my standard full glass of espresso |
| 15:53.10 | TC-Work | So, you could go with the i7-4930MX |
| 15:53.14 | Neffi | This is gonna be an interesting day |
| 15:53.22 | TC-Work | not oc'able but it is an extreame chip |
| 15:53.27 | TC-Work | and it has VT-d |
| 15:53.29 | Neffi | Arizona Caution = two Red Bulls in one can |
| 15:53.35 | TC-Work | extreme* |
| 15:53.45 | Neffi | TC-Work: You forget I'm broke and still unable to get a job |
| 15:53.54 | TC-Work | In the future |
| 15:54.15 | TC-Work | although 1K just for the chip is a mite extreme.....that must be where the name came from. |
| 15:54.17 | Neffi | I really doubt I'm gonna bother doing a passthrough setup |
| 15:54.34 | Neffi | I'd rather run what Steam offers for native Linux, and if I find another game intruiging I'll try Wine |
| 15:55.14 | Neffi | ESO is gonna be on PS4, and the next main-series Elder Scrolls isn't gonna be out for quite a long time, so I have no incentive to take PC gaming seriously right now |
| 15:55.14 | TC-Work | Somewhat of the same issue exists there as well. You need to have more resources....i think |
| 15:55.38 | TC-Work | Heaten |
| 15:55.41 | TC-Work | Heathen* |
| 15:56.23 | Neffi | You better believe I'm gonna build a monster computer for TES6 and any future Fallout games. |
| 15:58.37 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh! Insight! |
| 15:58.50 | Neffi | queso, pep? |
| 15:58.54 | TC-Work | Still a heathen |
| 15:59.00 | Lopeppeppy | When I use red text in my docs it symbolizes the blood of the users that I'm going to murderize if I have to revise it one more time!!! |
| 15:59.21 | Neffi | That's genius, Pep |
| 15:59.29 | Fisker | I should remember that |
| 15:59.38 | Neffi | TC-Work: If Blizzard would come out with something actually intruiging, ... =( |
| 15:59.53 | Fisker | Now instead of fixing stuff before it's unrecoverable is less important than documenting it |
| 15:59.54 | TC-Work | Neffi: The fact that you are narrowminded |
| 16:00.02 | Fisker | Day 1: I found an issue |
| 16:00.07 | Neffi | How am I narrowminded? |
| 16:00.18 | Fisker | Day 2: Before fixing said issue I had to document my encounter, now it turns out the problem can't be solved anymore |
| 16:00.25 | Fisker | red text everywhere |
| 16:00.32 | TC-Work | Computer gaming for you seems to be summed up in 3 compaines |
| 16:00.39 | TC-Work | 2 actually |
| 16:00.48 | Neffi | Well, no |
| 16:00.49 | TC-Work | I forgot bethesda does fallout |
| 16:01.06 | Lopeppeppy | does a happydance of evilhooditude |
| 16:01.15 | Neffi | But many of my favorite games play quite well on consoles |
| 16:01.21 | Neffi | So that's the appropriate route right now |
| 16:01.37 | Fisker | does a slightly enthused dance |
| 16:02.04 | Neffi | It just so happens that I'd rather build a computer to play Bethesda games, because their modding communities tend to be worth it |
| 16:14.33 | henk_ | I dont really understand the destroy function, why is it setting things to true? |
| 16:15.25 | Neffi | Let me trace through it for you real quick |
| 16:16.59 | Neffi | The table `destroy` just holds the names of frame objects that I was to get rid of. Underneath that, I create a loop (the pairs things) that runs over that table, grabs the frame object from _G (the global nameplate) and hides the object |
| 16:17.43 | Neffi | It's just a way to hiding all the elements I don't want, in a way that's easy to read through and add/remove things |
| 16:18.30 | henk_ | ok |
| 16:18.57 | henk_ | I dont like copying code but I guess I have to. |
| 16:19.11 | Neffi | You could always just expand it out |
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| 16:19.43 | Neffi | GameTimeFrameHide() GuildInstanceDifficulty:Hide() etc... |
| 16:19.56 | |Jelly| | huggles Peppy! |
| 16:22.51 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Jelly-bean. |
| 16:23.47 | Fisker | not even a |Jelly| |
| 16:24.03 | Lopeppeppy | I can use your blood next, boopsie. |
| 16:24.25 | |Jelly| | I uhh .. wat |
| 16:24.34 | TC-Work | Run |Jelly|, RUN! |
| 16:24.43 | Fisker | It's my blood she wants |
| 16:24.49 | TC-Work | You don't have any |
| 16:24.58 | Fisker | Sure I do |
| 16:25.05 | TC-Work | Lies, all lies |
| 16:25.34 | Fisker | I'm 40% blood |
| 16:26.39 | Amarande | no Fisker, you're 40% zinc |
| 16:26.42 | Amarande | no wait, that's Bender |
| 16:27.00 | Amarande | come to think of it, Bender's composition is kind of strange, if I recall right heh |
| 16:27.11 | Amarande | since he's claimed on separate occasions to be 40% of at least three different things :) |
| 16:29.38 | Lopeppeppy | I'm 120% redhead, that's not a problem. |
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| 16:30.03 | Fisker | I'm 60% redhead |
| 16:30.30 | |Jelly| | My beard is 70% redhead which makes me 100% confused. |
| 16:30.44 | Fisker | nothing to be confused about |
| 16:30.48 | Fisker | you're a daywalker |
| 16:30.49 | Fisker | like me |
| 16:31.04 | pompy | http://kotaku.com/64-year-old-woman-sues-over-destroyed-virtual-item-wort-1449925103 |
| 16:31.13 | |Jelly| | Not sure if scared to have something in common with Fisker or not. |
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| 16:32.29 | Fisker | Don't be scared |Jelly| |
| 16:32.44 | Fisker | I don't murder |
| 16:32.45 | Fisker | much |
| 16:38.16 | karl_w_w | according to webmd a symptom of high blood pressure is high blood pressure |
| 16:38.31 | Aeger73 | In my UI i have a setting to disable my Minimap mod then reload the UI. after the reload Blizard map frame shows ok butthe map is still square. I have to exit wow completly to have it go back to round and fit in the frame |
| 16:38.32 | |Jelly| | Well that explains the cancer. |
| 16:38.48 | Aeger73 | is there a way to refresh that cache without having to exit the game? |
| 16:39.36 | Kesava | so uh, someone send me a hearthstone key. ty. |
| 16:40.14 | Neffi | Aeger73: Set the mask texture back to a circle. It's a known problem. |
| 16:40.47 | Neffi | The minimap has no default mask texture. It simply defaults to a circular mask C-side. When the UI is reloaded, C-side doesn't bother to update its mask texture to the default circle |
| 16:40.56 | Aeger73 | I have hearthstone, does everyoine get keys to hand out? |
| 16:41.08 | Aeger73 | I havent seen any e-mails |
| 16:41.10 | Kesava | no, but you have to try |
| 16:41.14 | Kesava | i'm desperate. |
| 16:41.23 | TC-Work | It's a game.... |
| 16:41.27 | Kesava | yes |
| 16:41.36 | Neffi | You could to check to see if the Minimap has a method called :GetMaskTexture() |
| 16:41.44 | TC-Work | You are desperate for a game? that's still in beta. |
| 16:41.53 | Kesava | yep |
| 16:42.01 | Neffi | If it does, then before you use :SetMaskTexture, you should cache what the default mask is, and re-apply it when your mod gets disabled |
| 16:42.16 | Neffi | Eg, define a myMod:Disable() method that re-applies that original mask |
| 16:42.55 | TC-Work | Japan has some medical facilitys that could help you out. |
| 16:43.09 | TC-Work | facilities* |
| 16:43.14 | Neffi | Or you can dig through the interface file, find the original mask texture, and do that. Your last fallback is a clean exit and restart. |
| 16:44.19 | Fisker | I shouldn't have eaten those white mints in an unlabeled bottle |
| 16:44.25 | Aeger73 | I think I just may add tyhatyou need to exit wow compleely in the popup warning. I mainly have the option so anyone using my UI can disable it to use another minimap addon |
| 16:46.38 | Neffi | Anyone use KDE or its derivatives? |
| 16:46.59 | karl_w_w | does cyanide smell like almonds or do almonds smell like cyanide? |
| 16:47.00 | Neffi | Last time I touched it was a long time ago, and back then it seemed like it was all about bling-bling. |
| 16:47.03 | Aeger73 | I was up till 3am today. I finally fixed all the issues I hade with the minimap killing my saved variables and got my in game options working |
| 16:47.46 | Kesava | Neffi: if by long time ago you mean before 5/plasma, it's even worse now |
| 16:47.55 | Neffi | ack |
| 16:48.10 | Neffi | I'm thinking of just going with Mint+Cinnamon for now |
| 16:48.19 | Neffi | Because I really like the taskbar+start-button paradigm |
| 16:49.04 | Neffi | I guess I'll eventually get to making an Awesome config that follows that paradigm, or writing my own window manager that follows the paradigm without nasty ties to a lot of other dependencies |
| 16:49.18 | Kesava | yeah, cinnamon's good for that. i'd also probably suggest giving a look at elementary OS |
| 16:49.26 | Kesava | i don't actively use either though, bspwm, yay. |
| 16:49.33 | Neffi | In fact I'd venture to say Cinnamon does the paradigm way better than Windows does |
| 16:49.38 | Neffi | But it is still pretty buggy |
| 16:50.16 | Neffi | I like pseudo-tiling. I want to be able to tile, but I don't like forced/default tiling. And I really like mouse-driven UIs |
| 16:51.05 | Neffi | Elementary OS I used for a bit. I was impressed by its web page, but pretty disappointed when it came time to use it. |
| 16:51.12 | Neffi | I think Mint is going in a better direction |
| 16:51.56 | Kesava | understandable |
| 16:52.08 | Kesava | oh, gnome 3's classic/flashback is a pretty decent gnome 2 clone by now |
| 16:52.11 | Kesava | i think, anyway |
| 16:52.30 | Neffi | Was never a big fan of Gnome either |
| 16:52.42 | Neffi | I really just like Cinnamon's setup and presentation |
| 16:53.05 | Neffi | There are things I don't like about it, but those are less than any other Linux setup I've used |
| 16:53.22 | Neffi | I'll probably end up writing a window manager either way |
| 16:53.37 | Neffi | I'll prototype it off awesome, then brush up on my C and write something from scratch |
| 16:54.01 | Neffi | I love that Awesome uses Lua to put the power of behavior/setup in the user's hands, but Lua deserves a much better API than what awesome does |
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| 17:06.40 | Ackis | VIad: I like the spreadsheet |
| 17:06.52 | VIad | thank you Ackis, that means a lot coming from you :) |
| 17:07.37 | Ackis | suggestion: add a column for X/Y safari type |
| 17:07.52 | VIad | not bad - is it constant for all? |
| 17:08.09 | Ackis | yeah everyone who has me as a friend will get an ice type |
| 17:08.13 | VIad | aha, I see |
| 17:08.35 | Ackis | also you might want to break region down into more detail |
| 17:08.37 | Ackis | or locale |
| 17:08.47 | VIad | yeah, could name it locale |
| 17:08.50 | Ackis | english, german, french and japanese are 4 languages I've seen so far |
| 17:08.58 | VIad | there are more |
| 17:09.00 | VIad | I got them all, they are |
| 17:10.05 | VIad | ENG, FRE, GER, ITA, JPN, KOR, SPA |
| 17:10.17 | VIad | did some wonder trading and my pokedex put those labels on the top :p |
| 17:10.57 | Ackis | I haven't gotten a ita, spa or kor yet |
| 17:11.41 | Ackis | I am however whoring my blastoise out and making babies |
| 17:12.15 | Neffi | Web developers: stop abusing overflow:hidden; |
| 17:12.22 | Neffi | See: South Park Studios |
| 17:12.34 | Neffi | If I want to pan left/right to show only part of the page, I should be able to |
| 17:20.15 | Ackis | I love you google: https://www.google.ca/search?q=smart+asian+doctor+michu :D |
| 17:20.45 | Neffi | haha |
| 17:23.23 | jleclanche | ~ping |
| 17:23.23 | purl | ~pong |
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| 17:35.44 | Neffi | Well that's unimpressive |
| 17:35.54 | Neffi | Mint's file manager sucks at automounting |
| 17:36.26 | Neffi | Are there any file managers which allow me to mount devices by navigating to /dev and double-clicking/right-clicking the device in question? |
| 17:37.30 | Ackis | automounts Neffi |
| 17:37.41 | Primer | people use graphical file managers? |
| 17:38.03 | Neffi | You don't? |
| 17:38.21 | Primer | no... |
| 17:38.24 | Neffi | The CLI is useful and all, but I install modern OS to be used as a modern OS |
| 17:38.33 | Fisker | how do you know it sucks then? |
| 17:38.44 | Primer | I can run circles around you graphical file manager from the command line |
| 17:38.49 | Primer | s/you/your/ |
| 17:38.52 | Neffi | I'm sure you can |
| 17:39.10 | Neffi | And there are people that can run circles around me in vim when I'm running NP++ |
| 17:39.27 | Neffi | I really don't care. I'd rather be comfortable. I like my mouse. I like a powerful, clean GUI. |
| 17:41.36 | Neffi | I love the CLI. I love how good it is on *nix. But it doesn't excel at absolutely everything. |
| 17:43.00 | TC-Work | I actually find the GUI file manager in linux to be sub-par to windows so I just use CLI. |
| 17:43.20 | Primer | I use cygwin and mintty for file ops in windows |
| 17:45.25 | Neffi | TC-Work: There's lots of GUI file managers. You find them ALL subpar? |
| 17:45.55 | TC-Work | Neffi: I find the default one I have in the required OS at work to be subpar. |
| 17:46.05 | Neffi | I c |
| 17:49.17 | Neffi | I'm gonna just start off with awesomeWM, and put together my own suite of applications. Some of the QT stuff I'm seeing is really awesome. Like Quassel, Dino, Krita, etc. How's the performance of applications that pull in the KDE-base? |
| 17:49.54 | Neffi | I'm putting together my setup in a VM first, so when I do it all right on the hardware, I know I have a working setup that I'm happy with. It's really hard to gauge performance in a VM. |
| 17:50.36 | TC-Work | Well think of it like this, if it works well in the VM, it's going to work well on the bare bones. |
| 17:51.06 | Neffi | Everything I test out in VMware has a bit of jumpiness, micro-stuttering and all that shit |
| 17:51.45 | Neffi | But AFAIK my native GPU has very good kernel support. So it's not right to compare how well things are accelerated in VMware, vs native. |
| 17:52.27 | Neffi | I mean if it runs good, it runs good. But if it runs bad, it could always be because of subpar GPU acceleration in theVM. |
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| 18:02.24 | TC-Work | Right, but my point is that if you get it to run well in the VM, it's for sure going to be amazing on the hardware. |
| 18:08.23 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:09.27 | TC-Work | Could always be worse. |
| 18:09.50 | TC-Work | Sadly. |
| 18:10.04 | foxlit | You people should really start answering "Yes. Yes you are." |
| 18:12.44 | foxlit | though maybe I'm oversampling the same three threads that keep getting bumped. |
| 18:16.31 | Lopeppeppy | Reporters are soooooo sneaky. They all want an Oprah quote and are getting pissy that they aren't getting one. |
| 18:17.15 | Fisker | What's an Oprah quote? |
| 18:17.58 | Lopeppeppy | Oprah visited campus last night. Local papers want to know what our students THINK about it, how they FEEEEEL about it. |
| 18:18.08 | Fisker | ah |
| 18:18.13 | Fisker | How does that make you feel Lopeppeppy? |
| 18:18.21 | Lopeppeppy | Stabbity. |
| 18:18.25 | Fisker | Will the newspapers have to print in red? |
| 18:18.32 | Lopeppeppy | I f'ing hope so. |
| 18:18.40 | Fisker | Why was she visiting? |
| 18:20.55 | Lopeppeppy | She runs some schools in Africa. 2 girls who were in one of those schools are here attending classes now. She came to be all proud and happy with them. |
| 18:21.08 | Fisker | awww! |
| 18:21.16 | Lopeppeppy | She didn't "Oprah". She took them to dinner and was all smiley and left. No press. |
| 18:21.42 | Lopeppeppy | So leave the poor girls alone, nasty reporters. *grrrrrrr* |
| 18:21.49 | Fisker | How did it make you feel when she took your girls? |
| 18:21.59 | Fisker | I'm cruising for a bruising |
| 18:23.30 | Neffi | I see nothing on this page that really shows off the processor at all. Am I mad? http://snapdragonbooth.com/ |
| 18:24.20 | Fisker | http://www.qualcomm.com/sites/default/files/pods/tout/tr_home_72413_03_1.png |
| 18:24.27 | Fisker | I win! |
| 18:24.33 | Neffi | lol |
| 18:24.47 | Neffi | I mean to say, they're using this display to say that the CPU is somehow really good |
| 18:24.54 | Neffi | Which doesn't seem to pan out |
| 18:25.48 | Neffi | I mean, the 600 and 800 Snapdragons ARE good. But it's not like pretty much any Cortex A8 or better couldn't snap a camera on a timer, apply some basic filtering to deal with blur, and then leverage the power of 580 of them to produce a GIF in realtime |
| 18:26.04 | Fisker | Well it's better than Apple graphs Neffi |
| 18:26.11 | Neffi | lol |
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| 18:26.49 | Neffi | I still want a smartphone with a dragon 800 in it |
| 18:27.00 | Neffi | wishes he could carry around a Note III |
| 18:28.10 | Fisker | Nexus 5 go |
| 18:28.41 | Neffi | It's out of rumor-stage? |
| 18:28.55 | Fisker | It's been out of rumor stage for a while |
| 18:29.00 | Fisker | It's G2 basically |
| 18:29.21 | Neffi | Ohh, Snapdragon 800 |
| 18:29.57 | Neffi | I'm a tad surprised the S4 didn't offer an 800. |
| 18:32.12 | pompy | im considering getting the moto x ... idk, hard decision.... >< |
| 18:32.54 | Neffi | I don't like this decision to stop including microSD slots |
| 18:33.08 | Neffi | I'm not going to use your cloud service. Stop trying, |
| 18:33.27 | Lopeppeppy | stores Fisker's liver for the next documentation update. |
| 18:33.36 | Fisker | :( |
| 18:33.39 | Fisker | that's mean |
| 18:43.37 | Fisker | How will I ever live without my liver |
| 18:49.05 | Neffi | maybe that's why they call it a 'liver' |
| 18:57.26 | Lopeppeppy | I think you can live with half a one. Compromise? |
| 18:57.31 | Lopeppeppy | No one wants to eat your eyes. |
| 19:02.13 | Gnarfoz | Neffi: it the rumour mill is to be believed, there's still going to be a Snapdragon 800 version of the S4. the south korean LTE-A version already has it, but that's not sold internationally |
| 19:02.49 | Neffi | I'd chuckle it they named it the S4 Pro |
| 19:03.00 | Gnarfoz | SoCinception |
| 19:03.09 | Neffi | lol |
| 19:03.44 | Gnarfoz | the Galaxy S4 Pro w/ Snapdragon 800 SoC! or was it Galaxy S 800 with Snapdragon S4 Pro? HALP |
| 19:04.02 | henk_ | Hey againe, where can I find a list of all frames or an addont that show the frame like Raven's Frame Stack function |
| 19:04.04 | Gnarfoz | Galaxy Pro with Snapdragon 4 SS 800 |
| 19:04.09 | Neffi | Too confused -> fuck this I'll buy a Nexus |
| 19:04.13 | Gnarfoz | henk_: /fstack |
| 19:04.26 | henk_ | whoa, thanks |
| 19:04.46 | Neffi | Probably gonna run Fedora. To LVM or not to LVM? |
| 19:05.10 | Gnarfoz | utterly depends on what you need and want, doesn't it |
| 19:06.17 | Neffi | I suppose it does |
| 19:06.38 | Gnarfoz | glad I could be of assitance |
| 19:06.39 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 19:06.40 | Neffi | It's running off a single drive. I suppose I might later decide to resize partitions. |
| 19:08.43 | henk_ | Why is TimeManagerClockButton:Hide() a nil value? |
| 19:09.36 | Neffi | "attempt to index a nil value?" |
| 19:09.44 | Neffi | That means TimeManagerClockButton doesn't exist |
| 19:10.05 | henk_ | But frame stack showed it |
| 19:10.25 | Neffi | If you'e trying to hide it in an addon, do it at PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD |
| 19:10.37 | Neffi | It's not created during the initial load phase |
| 19:10.42 | Neffi | It's part of Blizzards "addons" |
| 19:11.02 | henk_ | ok thanks |
| 19:11.09 | Ackis | is it wrong that my music play lists at work involve the words "before he jumps out of the window" or "prevents him from jumping out of the window" |
| 19:11.36 | henk_ | Should I put all the :Hide() in PLAYER_ENTER_WORLD |
| 19:11.39 | henk_ | ? |
| 19:16.20 | Neffi | yes |
| 19:16.25 | Neffi | Notice how I did that in my code |
| 19:16.36 | Mr_Rabies | they really, really need to re-implement autolearning flight paths :| |
| 19:16.37 | Neffi | It was all in the PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD code |
| 19:16.42 | Neffi | You can't hide a frame that doesnt exist yet |
| 19:16.59 | Neffi | No they dont |
| 19:17.05 | Neffi | They need to encourage more world exploration |
| 19:17.29 | Mr_Rabies | i've already explored the world hundreds of times, instead my alts just don't have any flight paths |
| 19:17.35 | Neffi | The charm of vanilla is that it WASNT about powergaming |
| 19:18.04 | Mr_Rabies | there's really no reason not to give you the flight paths once you've outleveled an expansion |
| 19:18.44 | Mr_Rabies | the whole game's based around endgame anyway, i don't see why this one thing is the exception |
| 19:18.56 | Neffi | There's also no reason to regularly make content entirely obsolete |
| 19:19.07 | Neffi | WoW's progression has more issues than flight paths |
| 19:20.22 | Mr_Rabies | i'd have to disagree, constantly moving forward is the best path for them |
| 19:20.56 | Mr_Rabies | they remade azeroth and most people (myself excluded) say cata was a bad expansion |
| 19:26.02 | henk_ | Neffi: I did not understand the code exept for frame:Hide() |
| 19:27.39 | VIad | Dagmar, g0urra, Ackis, Roshea, Pompy, add my friend code when you get the chance - thanks! ;) |
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| 19:31.18 | zenzelezz | http://www.twitch.tv/wcs_europe2 - two hour twenty minute game o_O |
| 19:33.04 | foxlit | swarm hosts / corruptors vs protoss air and some colossi? |
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| 19:35.08 | g0urra | holy shit, I have pokemon emerald and didn't even know it |
| 19:35.17 | foxlit | but not building some more pylons seems weird. |
| 19:37.39 | g0urra | VIad: that internal battery has run dry :c |
| 19:37.42 | g0urra | the* |
| 19:38.24 | pompy | Torhal: gimmeh naoo http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcnvvcgyd31racwwjo1_1280.jpg |
| 19:38.35 | VIad | :( |
| 19:41.27 | Fisker | OK sure Lopeppeppy |
| 19:41.47 | Fisker | thanks for letting me have half |
| 19:43.56 | pompy | anyone with a ps3 https://www.facebook.com/darksouls/posts/556135477792834 |
| 19:44.15 | Amarande | ahhhh, DS friend codes |
| 19:44.19 | Primer | this content is currently unavailable |
| 19:44.22 | Lopeppeppy | I'm a great share-er-er. Ask alestane. |
| 19:44.25 | Amarande | pity I can never use the online aspect of my DS if I want secure wifi :( |
| 19:45.09 | Amarande | really, Nintendo, you couldn't at least support WPA? :( |
| 19:45.32 | Amarande | (and apparently that limitation is also baked into the games, I've read even if you get the latest 3DS, you're still limited to WEP for legacy games) |
| 19:46.48 | Fisker | I believe you Lopeppeppy |
| 19:47.16 | Fisker | wouldn't want to have to share half some other vital organ |
| 19:50.06 | Lopeppeppy | You got lots left. |
| 19:53.08 | VIad | if you play pokemon you should fill out our http://goo.gl/qKh07f for the safari zones and such ;) |
| 19:58.09 | Fisker | better pre-share them then Lopeppeppy |
| 19:59.03 | Lopeppeppy | Naughty. |
| 19:59.47 | Fisker | I don't see organ harvesting as particularly naughty |
| 20:01.37 | foxlit | so, um, to GT 750M or not to GT 750M? |
| 20:01.59 | Fisker | m :( |
| 20:02.01 | Lopeppeppy | Organs. Sharing. Start thinking naughty and you'll get it. |
| 20:02.42 | Fisker | don't think I'll ever get it :( |
| 20:08.49 | Fisker | and now I'll sleep on it |
| 20:09.01 | Fisker | maybe I'll get it by tomorrow |
| 20:11.27 | TC-Work | foxlit: for the new MBP? |
| 20:11.36 | foxlit | yes. |
| 20:12.11 | TC-Work | Ever going to use windows? |
| 20:12.44 | foxlit | probably not. |
| 20:13.07 | TC-Work | Need the mac OS? |
| 20:13.57 | foxlit | am content with it, in any case. |
| 20:15.27 | TC-Work | Do you plan to game on it? |
| 20:15.43 | TC-Work | One downside to a nice unibody is it gets really hot. |
| 20:16.33 | pompy | Primer: yeah they dont have their posts public, gotta be signed in or have em /like |
| 20:16.46 | Torhal | pompy: Heh |
| 20:16.54 | foxlit | not as a primary gaming box, anyway. There's a desktop for that. |
| 20:18.47 | TC-Work | If money is not an issue you might as well go for it, there is no downside I can think of. |
| 20:19.32 | foxlit | I think it works out to basically free anyway, if you bump ram/ssd/cpu to match. |
| 20:20.37 | TC-Work | Yes it does |
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| 20:21.04 | TC-Work | I wish they had discrete in the 13 in. package |
| 20:21.22 | foxlit | Slightly more concerned about the power penalty and the switching logic, but perhaps they fixed that in the last five years. |
| 20:23.45 | TC-Work | If they offered the air with a decent screen rez I would be all over it. |
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| 20:24.58 | foxlit | it's that dilbert comic all over again -- I want something with a 30'' screen, that fits in my wallet, weighs nothing, has a 12 hour battery life, and a rather low price tag. |
| 20:25.36 | foxlit | (or did you want an 11'' air?) |
| 20:25.48 | TC-Work | no, the 13 |
| 20:26.04 | TC-Work | Is that being unreasonable? |
| 20:26.15 | foxlit | is it substantially different from the rmbp? |
| 20:27.41 | TC-Work | Hmm....maybe not with the resizing of the mbp. |
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| 21:34.39 | Neffi | Amarande: It seems you're right on the account of BIOS updates for Ivy Bridge chips: "Had real problems getting these to run due to a required firmware update in the bios for v2 chips." |
| 21:35.36 | Neffi | He bought the top-end Ivy Bridge Xeons, and was running dual chips. So he was definitely running an enterprise/workstation board. Still had the issue, where his board shipped with BIOS not compatible with Ivy Bridge. It's really strange. |
| 21:36.17 | Neffi | I would think they would pull any outgoing boards and update them to the latest BIOS first |
| 21:44.05 | Amarande | Neffi: they possibly do if the boards are still at manufacturer level |
| 21:44.29 | Amarande | the trouble is warehouse backstock at stores like newegg and tiger, especially if they aren't the most popular boards |
| 21:44.33 | Neffi | Possibly |
| 21:44.45 | Amarande | presumably, newegg and tiger will sell out their existing stock of an item before they order more |
| 21:45.11 | Neffi | You could most likely go through the manufacturer to update the BIOS. Have the board shipped back and updated. |
| 21:45.18 | Amarande | unless there's a really pressing reason not to like multiple DOA's on an item suggesting a whole batch is bad |
| 21:45.30 | Neffi | Buying direct from manufacturer might help too, but not all manufacturers offer this |
| 21:45.44 | Amarande | and I seem to be in BIOS compatibility hell again SIGH |
| 21:45.48 | Amarande | even before upgrading my CPU! heh |
| 21:46.03 | Neffi | What are you running? |
| 21:46.31 | Amarande | right now, Phenom II X6 1045T. That works fine. |
| 21:46.45 | Amarande | where I'm seeing BIOS compatibility hell already though is that I was considering moving up to an FX |
| 21:46.54 | Amarande | ... and can apparently only go to four or six core FX, not eight core :( |
| 21:47.10 | Amarande | F7a BIOS will let me use the 4350 or the 6350 just fine. |
| 21:47.14 | Neffi | So you're keeping your existing mobo? |
| 21:47.16 | Amarande | It will also let me use, notably, the 8300 |
| 21:47.29 | Amarande | however, the 8300 is not available to individuals, only the 8320 and 8350 are |
| 21:47.34 | Neffi | I'm not sure an FX is a big upgrade from a Phenom II X6 |
| 21:47.49 | Amarande | The 8300, specifically, is the only Vishera 8-core supported |
| 21:47.55 | Amarande | so 8-core would have to be a crappy Bulldozer |
| 21:48.07 | Neffi | Ah, there's a new core? |
| 21:48.17 | Neffi | I haven't been keeping up with AMD |
| 21:48.18 | Amarande | and apparently yeah the Vishera X6's might not be that much of an upgrade either |
| 21:48.32 | Neffi | It's probably a modified Bulldozer TBH |
| 21:48.41 | Amarande | someone tried the 8320 apparently ... it posted but Windows BSOD'd when he tried to install it |
| 21:48.49 | Neffi | I really doubt AMD introduced a new core design without an article hitting one of the tech sites I keep up with |
| 21:48.52 | Amarande | and the Gigabyte helper guy on the boards said he was surprised it even posted |
| 21:49.10 | Amarande | part of it seems to be wattage since notably the 8300 is the only 95W 8-core Vishera, the 8320 and 8350 are 125W |
| 21:49.22 | Amarande | (although the 6350 is 125W and is supported ... :S) |
| 21:49.32 | Neffi | That's strange |
| 21:49.47 | Amarande | yeah |
| 21:49.52 | Neffi | A decent motherboard should be engineered to deliver above expected electrical load |
| 21:49.52 | Amarande | what's also strange is the 8300's OEM only status |
| 21:50.00 | Amarande | you would think AMD would refrain from having OEM-only things like that |
| 21:50.09 | Amarande | especially when their only real advantage in the market is cheap high-core-count CPUs |
| 21:50.21 | Neffi | AMD's a different company than it was back in its glory days |
| 21:50.27 | Amarande | they're pretty much squished by Intel in all other ways |
| 21:51.02 | Neffi | mhm |
| 21:51.28 | Neffi | I trust they'll still get their shit together and become a competitor again. It just won't be for a few generations |
| 21:51.44 | Neffi | It's even harder nowadays, because Intel's tick-tock bullshit is paying off |
| 21:52.45 | Neffi | They're first in the industry to premier new manufacturing nodes, and their model of redesign-shrink-redesign-shrink means they have time to test the waters and improve yields on new node sizes before they unleash their real improvements |
| 21:56.46 | airtonix | oh ok |
| 21:57.06 | Neffi | O.o |
| 22:05.24 | Neffi | Ok, another unrelated video question |
| 22:05.47 | Neffi | My father wants a few movies. I figure I'll download bluray rips and downscale them, because DVD rips will are gonna be lower quality than straight DVD |
| 22:06.09 | Neffi | Anyone know of a good program for burning movies to DVD, that supports good quality downscaling? |
| 22:06.15 | Neffi | Or at least, a program for doing the burning? |
| 22:10.21 | Amarande | yeah, Intel is still the only one with 22nm, aren't they? |
| 22:10.25 | Amarande | even the Visheras are still 32nm |
| 22:10.48 | Amarande | basically, as far as CPU upgrades go I can get a 4350, or a 6350, or I can suck it up and get a new mobo and CPU |
| 22:11.06 | Amarande | I'm actually not sure if the 4350 or 6350 is better |
| 22:11.08 | Neffi | They're moving to.. what is it, 14 nm? |
| 22:11.10 | Neffi | With Broadwell |
| 22:11.17 | Neffi | That's due out Q1 2014 |
| 22:11.27 | Amarande | gaming is still tied to single-thread speed more than core count, right? |
| 22:11.56 | Amarande | and 4350 promises a blazing >4GHz speed per core |
| 22:12.15 | Neffi | Vastly, yes. It's tied to core horsepower, not core count. |
| 22:12.23 | Amarande | that's if I don't OC, too |
| 22:12.28 | Neffi | A lot of game logic is inherently linear. Nothing will fix that. |
| 22:13.07 | Neffi | Something things can be offloaded to other cores, but you'll really always have one main thread. |
| 22:13.27 | Ackis | nice I got my long term service award today |
| 22:13.30 | Neffi | Single player games might get away with splitting up main workload if the game lends itself to tight synchronization not being an issue |
| 22:13.44 | Neffi | But even then, IPC is the winnder |
| 22:13.48 | airtonix | Neffi: DeeVeeDee |
| 22:13.58 | Neffi | airtonix: wut |
| 22:14.56 | airtonix | the program is called devede |
| 22:15.01 | airtonix | http://www.devede.org/ |
| 22:15.35 | airtonix | throw down video files it gives you a video dvd iso |
| 22:15.56 | airtonix | it's in the repos |
| 22:15.58 | foxlit | hm, looks like I just lost an ssd. |
| 22:16.00 | Neffi | Nice |
| 22:16.10 | Neffi | I don't have to use DVD Flick anymore. I hate that program. |
| 22:16.14 | Amarande | hm, so the 4350 is probably best for gaming then? |
| 22:16.55 | Neffi | Fastest per core > cores within reason |
| 22:17.11 | Neffi | Honestly if I was buying a CPU nowadays, I won't go under 4 cores, even if I lose a little speed for my money |
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| 22:18.13 | Neffi | Assume the game's main thread saturates core 0, its secondary threads collectively saturate core 1, you still got core 2 and 3 opened up to so running your browser and shit in the background isn't a PITA |
| 22:18.44 | Neffi | Plus, the single player games that do manage to split a lot of workload up into multiple threads will benefit from the extra cores |
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| 22:21.19 | Neffi | DeVeDe is hanging for no reason |
| 22:21.34 | Amarande | 4350 is a 4.2GHz (stock, overclockable) 4-core |
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| 22:21.49 | Neffi | That sounds fine |
| 22:22.06 | Neffi | Check out some basic benchmarks comparing that to your current CPU |
| 22:22.24 | Neffi | OK, fuck DeVeDe |
| 22:22.36 | Neffi | Every time I start it, it hangs at another part, with 0% CPU usage |
| 22:22.57 | Neffi | Any other recommendations? |
| 22:23.07 | Neffi | I'll pirate software if it's worth it |
| 22:24.56 | Cairenn | Neffi: don't go saying shit like that in here |
| 22:25.42 | Amarande | Neffi: btw, we're probably not getting Broadwell on desktops |
| 22:25.51 | Amarande | except perhaps in the -E version for the LGA 2011 replacement |
| 22:26.07 | Amarande | apparently in 2014 desktops get Haswell V2 and in 2015 it's Skylake |
| 22:31.56 | Neffi | I'm sorry Cairenn =( |
| 22:32.29 | Cairenn | Apology accepted. Don't do it again. |
| 22:33.00 | Neffi | Amarande: Haswell-E comes first. I haven't heard anything about Broadwell not hitting the desktop. I did hear a rumor a while ago that neither Haswell nor Broadwell would hit the desktop because they switched to using BGA packages for laptops. |
| 22:33.19 | Neffi | Some people incorrectly assumed they would ONLY use BGA packages, for all chips |
| 22:33.45 | Neffi | BGA package = soldered directly to motherboard. They use it for laptop chips only for slightly better cooling, and reduced thickness |
| 22:33.49 | Amarande | Yeah. |
| 22:34.04 | Amarande | At this point, the rumour is that they're switching to only having Tock generations on desktops now |
| 22:34.15 | Amarande | i.e., we'll get Skylake, but not Broadwell |
| 22:34.22 | Neffi | A lot of Intel rumors tend not to pan out at all |
| 22:34.37 | Neffi | Rumor was they skipped Ivy Bridge-E. Which just came out, so that was wrong. |
| 22:34.49 | Neffi | Even rumors about specs tend to be off |
| 22:35.07 | Neffi | Intel keeps leaks well locked down. Don't put any stock in rumors related to them. |
| 22:36.51 | Neffi | Well DVD Flick it is. There isn't much in the DVD authoring space. =/ |
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| 22:40.56 | Ackis | pirates Cairenn |
| 22:48.08 | pompy | <application Title=”Grand Theft Auto V” File=”GTA5.exe”> <use Area=”PXDynamic”>HighPerfGPUAffinity</use> < /application>” |
| 22:48.57 | Neffi | pompy: What am I looking at? |
| 22:54.16 | airtonix | Neffi: i haven't used devede for a long time. i stopped when optical discs became irrelevant |
| 22:54.32 | airtonix | which was for me, five years ago i think |
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| 22:55.23 | airtonix | oh you're using it on windows |
| 22:55.27 | airtonix | there's your problem |
| 22:55.45 | airtonix | i never used it on windows |
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| 23:05.33 | karl_w_w | Neffi, code in an amd gpu driver |
| 23:06.43 | Neffi | So, it's forcing a high-performance mode for GTA5? |
| 23:09.07 | karl_w_w | who knows |
| 23:09.34 | karl_w_w | it's probably a crossfire profile |
| 23:10.01 | jleclanche | https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/13329-Introducing-The-Anvil-Hornet-Lineup |
| 23:10.04 | jleclanche | DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMNNNNNN. |
| 23:10.08 | airtonix | maybe it's a virus profile? |
| 23:10.12 | jleclanche | Holy. shit. |
| 23:10.20 | jleclanche | those hornet variants look AMAZING |
| 23:11.06 | airtonix | lol $125 for dlc |
| 23:11.14 | airtonix | https://robertsspaceindustries.com/store/209-f7c-s-hornet-ghost |
| 23:11.38 | jleclanche | the hornet ghost looks absolutely amazing |
| 23:12.03 | Arrowmaster | is this a single player game? |
| 23:12.13 | jleclanche | it has a single player campaign |
| 23:12.14 | airtonix | yes and no |
| 23:12.27 | jleclanche | as well as a central permanent server |
| 23:12.29 | airtonix | it's alot like neverwinter nights |
| 23:12.33 | jleclanche | and local (quake-style) servers |
| 23:13.29 | xyphoid | i heard it's adding timers and IAP too |
| 23:14.49 | airtonix | also no linux version so it will fail hard |
| 23:15.04 | airtonix | ;] |
| 23:15.34 | Neffi | This just in: Adobe and Microsoft stocks are plummeting, in part due to lack of Linux support |
| 23:15.42 | Neffi | ;) |
| 23:15.46 | airtonix | i predicted that |
| 23:15.55 | Neffi | Didn't we all? |
| 23:16.01 | karl_w_w | also turtles |
| 23:16.02 | airtonix | no i'm special |
| 23:37.28 | Semlar | i like turtles |
| 23:37.34 | foxlit | trains. |
| 23:37.47 | Semlar | trains are alright |
| 23:40.43 | Sintacks | i like cake |
| 23:56.42 | airtonix | cake and trains suck |
| 23:57.09 | Cairenn | chuckles at Ackis |
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