| 00:00.08 | Neffi | I think it's unacceptable for a case to be both expensive and flawed |
| 00:01.59 | Esamynn|work | I would agree |
| 00:02.21 | Esamynn|work | I would also say there is a difference between "not flawed" and "perfect" |
| 00:02.45 | Neffi | True enough |
| 00:02.56 | Neffi | But surely case designers know there are crazy fucks out there like me |
| 00:03.21 | Neffi | It's in their best interest to make perfect cases |
| 00:05.21 | Esamynn|work | hehehe |
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| 00:26.54 | Semlar | i also have a haf case |
| 00:27.14 | Semlar | windowed cases really don't appeal to me |
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| 00:29.19 | Neffi | Me neither, but the 750D seemed pretty tasteful |
| 00:29.52 | Semlar | looks like a lian li |
| 00:30.09 | Neffi | Strangely, having the huge window that covered almost the whole side made it look more appealing than most windowed cases |
| 00:30.17 | Neffi | TBH I think it looks better than any Lian Li |
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| 00:31.09 | Semlar | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=11-119-197&Tpk=11-119-197 i believe this is the case i have |
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| 00:31.38 | Neffi | If I was getting a CM, I think I'd take the 690 II over the HAF any day |
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| 00:31.56 | foxlit | just you. |
| 00:31.58 | Neffi | but I'd rather have a Silverstone, Lian Li, Fractal Design or one of these Corsairs, than a CM |
| 00:32.00 | Semlar | if i just press the up arrow in my chat it repeats the last thing i said |
| 00:32.20 | foxlit | might be alt-up |
| 00:32.22 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:32.30 | Semlar | what do you have against cooler master |
| 00:32.32 | Neffi | open the edit box? weird |
| 00:32.36 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:32.42 | Neffi | Aesthetics, Semlar |
| 00:32.44 | Semlar | oh wait you mean in game |
| 00:32.49 | Neffi | They're great cases, just not pretty ones |
| 00:32.50 | Semlar | yeah i think it's alt up |
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| 00:33.04 | Esamynn|work | nibordoohe: are you talking about wow chat, if so, are you forgetting the alt key? |
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| 00:33.16 | Semlar | the case looks a hell of a lot better in person than these images |
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| 00:34.02 | Semlar | it's also a lot easier to work in than a lot of cases i've seen |
| 00:34.04 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:34.20 | Neffi | Well that's subjective. I really dislike that aesthetic. |
| 00:34.39 | Semlar | it's also huge |
| 00:34.40 | Neffi | It's very in-your face, overstated |
| 00:34.54 | Neffi | My friend has the case. I've seen it in person |
| 00:35.12 | Semlar | my friend has the full tower version of this and it's enormous |
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| 00:36.46 | Semlar | it has pretty good air flow and stays relatively quiet |
| 00:38.26 | Semlar | although this has a crapton of negative reviews recently so maybe the quality has gone downhill |
| 00:38.44 | Semlar | or a competitor is attacking the company |
| 00:40.41 | Neffi | CM's a pretty big company for computer cases |
| 00:40.44 | Neffi | Probably a competitor |
| 00:40.57 | Semlar | a lot of these just seem like a shipping problem or user error |
| 00:41.36 | Neffi | Newegg? |
| 00:41.47 | Semlar | yeah the reviews on that newegg link |
| 00:41.48 | Neffi | Order reviews by most helpful |
| 00:41.56 | Neffi | Make your decision based on the top reviews |
| 00:42.10 | Semlar | oh i have it sorted by lowest rated for some reason |
| 00:42.19 | Semlar | i thought it was by date |
| 00:42.26 | Neffi | Newegg in general has exploded in popularity. And with it, low-quality reviews with tons of PEBKAC |
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| 00:42.29 | Semlar | well that explains a lot |
| 00:43.02 | Neffi | I usually hit up YouTube and Google to check out some reviews if I'm not yet sure |
| 00:43.04 | Esamynn|work | Neffi: PEBKAC or ID10T ? |
| 00:43.22 | Neffi | Places like AnandTech and Linus Tech Tips are godsends |
| 00:43.39 | Neffi | Esamynn|work: A bit of both |
| 00:44.40 | Neffi | There's so much I like about the 750D, I think I'd just fashion a stealth drive bezel out of the 5.25" cover |
| 00:44.49 | Neffi | Shouldn't be too hard to do |
| 00:49.13 | Semlar | i don't even have an optical drive in my current computer |
| 00:51.11 | Esamynn|work | O_o |
| 00:51.57 | Semlar | it has yet to be a problem |
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| 00:54.59 | TC-Work | I have a blu-ray player on my computer. I have used it /maybe/ once |
| 00:55.35 | TC-Work | But then I am also the typer of person to DL a game when the game disk is 3 feet from me. |
| 00:55.40 | TC-Work | type* |
| 00:56.03 | Semlar | can't blame you |
| 00:56.29 | kd3 | meh. once I was able to get netboots working, I lost all need for optical drives |
| 00:57.44 | TC-Work | I mean, there doesn't seem to be anything on a disk that I can't get off of the web. |
| 00:57.56 | TC-Work | and be super lazy |
| 00:59.29 | kd3 | I like how in blizz's diminishing returns list, Mesmerize (the shivarra ability) is categorized as a fear and not a mesmerize |
| 00:59.35 | Esamynn|work | TC-Work: literally 3 feet? that seems like a waste of time, honestly :P |
| 01:00.06 | Esamynn|work | since I would still expect the download to take longer than getting it off the disk |
| 01:00.12 | Semlar | yeah but not only would he have to pick up the cd he'd have to put it in the computer |
| 01:00.16 | TC-Work | ^ |
| 01:00.23 | Esamynn|work | facepalms |
| 01:00.24 | TC-Work | And I could do other things while it is downloading |
| 01:00.37 | Semlar | there is no way that is worth all that effort |
| 01:00.49 | TC-Work | I did it with Borderlands 2 |
| 01:00.53 | Esamynn|work | I still use my optical drive occasionally |
| 01:00.56 | Semlar | plus you might have to update it if you use the CD |
| 01:01.12 | Esamynn|work | it's use a definitely declined though |
| 01:01.19 | Esamynn|work | its* |
| 01:01.24 | Neffi | I don't know how much I'd actually use an optical drive honestly. The only reason I'd have to use it is doing high-quality BD rips/stream copies, and CD rips |
| 01:01.26 | Semlar | almost everything i ever used a CD for i can do with a usb drive |
| 01:01.47 | Semlar | with the exception of actually burning something |
| 01:01.56 | Esamynn|work | though I've never bothered with a BluRay drive for my PC |
| 01:02.29 | Neffi | I've had a CD burner for a while. The only time I used it is when I happened to have a blank DVD lying around and I didnt want to look for the 3 or 4 USB drives i have lying around to install Windows with |
| 01:02.42 | Esamynn|work | heh |
| 01:02.51 | Semlar | i have my usb drive on my keychain |
| 01:03.01 | Esamynn|work | I had to burn a CD this year for someone with pictures because I wouldn't ever get a USB key back and they didn't have one |
| 01:03.09 | kd3 | I used to back when my usb drive (back in 2003) was all of ~50MB |
| 01:03.19 | Neffi | I used to carry a USB drive with me everywhere I went. It just became something normal to pocket. I've lost 4 or 5 of them. |
| 01:03.20 | kd3 | and cost a hell of a lot of money |
| 01:03.29 | kd3 | now I just use my phone as a usb drive |
| 01:03.43 | Esamynn|work | ahh the USB stick... killer of the floppy |
| 01:04.06 | Esamynn|work | thank god |
| 01:04.23 | Neffi | TBH when I do build my computer, I might not buy an optical drive. |
| 01:04.37 | Semlar | future generations will never know what the "save" icon represents |
| 01:04.45 | Esamynn|work | I won't buy a new drive next time I build, I'll just transfer the one or both of the ones out of my current |
| 01:04.59 | kd3 | not that millenials know what the call icon represents |
| 01:05.05 | Esamynn|work | haha |
| 01:05.08 | Neffi | The only thing is, when I do drop the money on a new build, I'm definitely going for a good color-accurate, 1080p-native IPS monitor, and I want movies to look brilliant on it. So that's why I want to be able to do rips myself. |
| 01:05.37 | Semlar | i don't think kids these days have ever seen a phone with a cord on it |
| 01:05.47 | Neffi | I still have a phone with a coord on it |
| 01:05.51 | Semlar | >_> |
| 01:05.56 | kd3 | oh wow. iphones are BSODing now? |
| 01:05.56 | kd3 | hahahaha |
| 01:05.57 | Neffi | I think everyone should. When the power goes out, it still works. |
| 01:06.05 | Semlar | i don't even have a landline |
| 01:06.09 | Esamynn|work | huh, I just realised my PC at home is approching 5 years... |
| 01:06.18 | kd3 | http://hothardware.com/News/iPhone-5S-Users-Reporting-Blue-Screen-of-Death/ |
| 01:06.37 | Esamynn|work | hah, yah, I saw that |
| 01:06.51 | Neffi | I might not have a landline when I move into an apartment. It doesn't make much sense to me nowadays. I think a lot of people keep it only because of their phone/TV/net bundle. |
| 01:07.02 | Semlar | apple has a bsod? |
| 01:07.12 | Neffi | But when I'm on my own, I won't bother subscribing to a TV service. Netflix + internet rips are fine. |
| 01:07.22 | Esamynn|work | it's a blank blue screen before it reboots after something crashes it |
| 01:07.58 | Iriel | Neffi: We finally ditched our landline for Vonage after AT&T gave up properly maintaining it. |
| 01:07.59 | Semlar | the old error screen was like a face |
| 01:08.04 | Esamynn|work | I don't have a land line, though I do use ADSL, and because of the way the phone company works, there is a number attached to my copper |
| 01:08.16 | Neffi | I still consider Vonage a landline |
| 01:08.32 | Esamynn|work | land *phone* line, that is |
| 01:08.49 | Iriel | Neffi: compared to..? |
| 01:08.49 | Neffi | My "landline" is net based too, over the FiOS line. But it's got a battery backup unit, so it doesnt fail with the power. |
| 01:08.54 | Neffi | Cell phones |
| 01:09.04 | Iriel | Ah, you presumably dont make many international calls |
| 01:09.13 | Neffi | heh |
| 01:09.35 | Neffi | I honestly figured real landline companies were offering good international services. They're not? |
| 01:09.37 | Iriel | And likely dont have a hill between your house and the nearest cell tower |
| 01:09.45 | Esamynn|work | HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 01:09.49 | kd3 | hahaha |
| 01:09.50 | Iriel | Vonage has excellent international rates |
| 01:09.52 | kd3 | you're joking, neffi |
| 01:09.54 | Neffi | I mean, Vonage does international calling so well, how are they not bothering to compete? |
| 01:09.55 | Esamynn|work | a phone company, offering good international services?!!?! |
| 01:09.56 | Semlar | we don't have hills in florida |
| 01:09.57 | kd3 | please tell me you're joking |
| 01:09.58 | Iriel | My cell phone company, not so much |
| 01:10.02 | Esamynn|work | when did pigs start flying? |
| 01:10.15 | Neffi | I like in a city. There's really nowhere I DONT get cell service |
| 01:10.23 | Iriel | And AT&T and was somewhere in the middle. |
| 01:10.41 | Neffi | Unless you go with a really cheap provider, you dont really have issues with service in NYC |
| 01:10.46 | Iriel | Well, I work in San Francisco and cell service there is suprisingly unreliable |
| 01:10.51 | Iriel | Partly because of contention |
| 01:11.00 | Iriel | Partly because of earthquake reinforced buildings |
| 01:11.12 | Neffi | the joy of living in NY |
| 01:11.14 | Neffi | lol |
| 01:11.21 | Iriel | I'm told the cell services in Boston are incredible |
| 01:11.34 | Semlar | i blame MIT |
| 01:11.34 | Neffi | I'm told a lot of things in Boston are incredible, esp the bar fights |
| 01:11.49 | Neffi | I'm also told Boston is the scourge of the world, because I'm from NY |
| 01:11.49 | Esamynn|work | people always like to talk about how wireless will just replace wires and we can be done with them... such utter nonsense |
| 01:12.12 | Iriel | At least with current technology, nonsense. |
| 01:12.24 | Neffi | I think you mean udder nonsense. moooo |
| 01:13.02 | Esamynn|work | wired will always have superior performance and reliability, as compared to wireless, for the foreseeable future |
| 01:13.06 | Neffi | For a non-insigificant number of people, their cell phones have replaced landlines. I dont think any sane or knowledgable person expects it to totally replace it though. |
| 01:13.47 | Esamynn|work | yes well, you just excluded a large part of the human race there :P |
| 01:13.52 | Neffi | The people who expect things like that are the type of people who though Tesla's inventions would've given the world unlimited free electricity |
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| 01:14.43 | Ixnorp | What is a simple and reliable way to detect if you're in combat with a particuar mob? Reliable over Simple if I have to make a choice there. I'm thinking maybe something like hooking onto UNIT_THREAT_LIST_UPDATE maybe since the player may or may not actually be targeting the unit at the time. I tried looking into _NPCScan's code but I can't quite grasp how it's doing its magic. |
| 01:14.50 | Esamynn|work | and yes, my cellphone has replaced my corded phone, I've never had a corded phone since I moved out on my own |
| 01:15.04 | Esamynn|work | I cannot say the same for my intertubes |
| 01:15.27 | Neffi | I dearly hope wireless never replaces wired internet |
| 01:15.45 | Neffi | Now that's somewhere I consider reliability to be too important |
| 01:16.06 | Esamynn|work | laying copper (or it's replacement) is expensive |
| 01:16.22 | Neffi | I know |
| 01:16.41 | Neffi | I looked into some math when some tech pundit was covering Google Fiber |
| 01:16.59 | Neffi | The cost of them penetrating most of the country with a fiber service would've been massive |
| 01:17.13 | Esamynn|work | define "most of the country" |
| 01:17.18 | Esamynn|work | by population, or area? |
| 01:17.24 | Neffi | Population |
| 01:17.37 | Neffi | I don't recall the article |
| 01:17.42 | Esamynn|work | so what... hundreds of billions? |
| 01:17.54 | Neffi | But even covering only the majority of urban areas would've been outside of Google's scope |
| 01:17.58 | Esamynn|work | or am I lowballing it? |
| 01:17.59 | Neffi | well outside |
| 01:18.10 | Neffi | I believe the figure was around 100 billion |
| 01:18.19 | Esamynn|work | lower than I expected |
| 01:18.34 | Neffi | They might've figured the possibility of Google acquiring existing infrastructure |
| 01:18.43 | Neffi | Since the article was published shortly after Google did just that in some city |
| 01:18.47 | Neffi | And mentioned it |
| 01:18.49 | Esamynn|work | shrugs |
| 01:19.05 | Esamynn|work | I don't really have any clue what things cost at that scale |
| 01:19.11 | Neffi | Ixnorp: That's a tricky one |
| 01:19.41 | Neffi | Ixnorp: NPCScan works by checking whether or not the mob is in your cache. You clear your cache, run it, and then it will appear in your cache as soon as the game loads it into existence |
| 01:19.47 | Neffi | So that's hugely different than what you want |
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| 01:20.35 | Neffi | You could hook the thread event like you said, and check it against a shitload of unitIDs (the target, targettargets, etc of all party/raid members and pets) |
| 01:20.50 | Neffi | But that's not 100% reliable, and not very reliable when soloing |
| 01:21.16 | Neffi | You could make an educated guess based on the combat log |
| 01:22.15 | Neffi | Scan basically every single event that might involve you and one other enemy unit. You know when an action is made, you're in combat (almost always) |
| 01:22.16 | Ixnorp | Yeah that was my other thought besides examining the threat tables. Look for people casting/swinging/whatever on the mob I care about. |
| 01:22.20 | Iriel | I think the combat log is likely the least invasive way |
| 01:22.22 | Neffi | But that's not even 100% reliable |
| 01:22.40 | Neffi | Because for instance I can CC a target without entering combat with it very reliably |
| 01:22.45 | Neffi | That would totally break the code |
| 01:22.45 | Iriel | But you've still got to figure out the relationship between the units and you, and if their actions would cause the mob to think you're in combat. |
| 01:23.00 | Iriel | And then there are the possibilities of stuff happening 'out of range' you show up to late |
| 01:23.03 | Neffi | I've found that CCs are hit and miss. Sometimes they cause you to enter combat, other times they dont |
| 01:23.23 | Ixnorp | For my purposes, I only care about units which are either myself or in my raid group. |
| 01:23.29 | Neffi | Also interacting with a player in a helpful way (healing, buffing) should put you in combat with whatever they are in combat with |
| 01:23.49 | Iriel | Right, that's the range case i'd be worried about |
| 01:23.57 | Iriel | Someone gets in combat with something whil eyou're not nearby |
| 01:24.00 | Neffi | You could do both.. heh |
| 01:24.03 | Iriel | then you show up and do something nice to them |
| 01:24.23 | Neffi | Ixnorp: What are you using this system for? What's the purpose? |
| 01:24.33 | Neffi | Maybe there's a way to do it that doesn't depend on 100% reliability |
| 01:24.38 | Ixnorp | Yeah I was pondering doing both. Watch the combat log, then double check it against threat tables if I think I have a hit. |
| 01:25.45 | Neffi | I'll reiterate how hit and miss CCs are. It's not just some CCs that cause you to enter combat. There are many CCs that will sometimes cause you to enter combat, but quite often will reliably fail to engage combat also |
| 01:25.50 | Esamynn|work | to echo Neffi, though... what is your real purpose? |
| 01:25.51 | Ixnorp | I'm collecting data from a particular boss and then after either the raid wipes or kills the boss, the data should be printed out. I wanted to know when combat against that particular boss is engaged so that I can clean up my tables after a wipe. |
| 01:25.57 | Neffi | I've had Entangling Roots not put me in combat many times |
| 01:26.36 | Neffi | Well you don't need to know when combat started to clean up AFTERwards |
| 01:26.37 | Esamynn|work | so this is primarily for in an instance then? |
| 01:26.58 | Neffi | But it's a useful piece of information if you're doing data gathering, like profiling raid performance |
| 01:27.12 | Neffi | Take a look at Recount maybe? I'm pretty sure it graphs data from when combat starts |
| 01:27.38 | Ixnorp | Yeah, what I am doing at the moment is exclusively for use in a raid instance. I just thought I would examine the more general case of "am I in combat with X" because it seemed like a useful case to understand. |
| 01:29.03 | Esamynn|work | I'd say if you're dealing with instances only, your problem is simpler, because you can just watch for combat log events that involve the boss in question... for the end of combat... have some sort of timeout based on any kind of hostile event? |
| 01:29.52 | Ixnorp | After wiping to Norushen 25H for nearly 4 hours on tuesday I decided to teach myself Lua and write a little mod to scream at people who screw up their orbs and track a few other stats. Yeah actually that timeout idea is a good one too. |
| 01:30.53 | Ixnorp | If no one has interacted with the amalg in 30sec it's obviously a wipe. |
| 01:30.58 | Esamynn|work | I specifically didn't say events involving the boss to account for phases where teh boss itself is inactive |
| 01:31.19 | Neffi | The chance of somebody in your group targeting the boss at any given time (when in range) is fairly high. The chance of them targeting it as combat is engaged is pretty fucking huge. Very near 100%. |
| 01:31.20 | Esamynn|work | thus I was pointing to any kind of hostile type event |
| 01:32.01 | Esamynn|work | I'd say essentially 100% |
| 01:32.01 | Neffi | You could listen to UNIT_TARGET to see when a group member targets the boss, and when that happens start polling all raid*target unitIDs for that threat event |
| 01:32.14 | Neffi | I mean it'd have to be like a one in a million chance that you won't catch it |
| 01:32.23 | Neffi | As in, EVERYONE is using exclusely mouseover/focus to attack |
| 01:32.52 | Neffi | One combat is engaged, you can simply stop polling the unit IDs to not use up CPU time in combat |
| 01:32.53 | Esamynn|work | that's pretty hard to do, given that the game auto target something that hits you if you don't currently have a target |
| 01:32.56 | Neffi | That would be extremely reliable |
| 01:33.20 | Neffi | UNIT_TARGET should fire whenever a group member changes targets, I believe |
| 01:33.30 | Esamynn|work | sounds right |
| 01:33.47 | Neffi | So it's a fairly easy to write solution. The biggest challenge is polling all unit IDs in question, which isn't necessarily hard, just annoying |
| 01:34.03 | Esamynn|work | also, the moment you enter any sort of serious combat with a boss, your character will be put into combat mode |
| 01:34.09 | Esamynn|work | (when in an instance) |
| 01:34.10 | kd3 | I'm almost impressed: http://i.imgur.com/uo8qkT2.jpg |
| 01:34.18 | kd3 | wonder if the convoluted flight path can be topped |
| 01:34.30 | Neffi | A simple loop that constantly checks every ~.5 sec, and when combat engages immediately breaks loop and runs a routine for disengaging the polling and event |
| 01:34.32 | Esamynn|work | haha |
| 01:35.23 | Neffi | So Ixnorp, I think we've found your solution =) |
| 01:35.41 | Ixnorp | Can you point me toward some examples or docs that show how to impliment a polling loop? I'm not sure how to do that but it sounds quite useful. |
| 01:35.59 | Neffi | Ixnorp: I'll do you one better. I'll write you one. |
| 01:36.00 | Ixnorp | That is, I don't know how to do the delay part. |
| 01:36.02 | Primer | Is there any nameplate addon that can make nameplates NOT bunch up? |
| 01:36.14 | Primer | No matter how I configure tidyplates, they always bunch up |
| 01:36.19 | kd3 | doesn't blizz provide an option for that? |
| 01:36.30 | Primer | fucking mage does mirrors and I can't click him |
| 01:36.39 | Primer | tidyplates defers to the blizz config for that |
| 01:36.41 | Neffi | Give me a few minutes. I need to grab a smoke and make a phone call. I'll write it up and give it to you fairly soon though. <- Ixnorp |
| 01:36.43 | Esamynn|work | in wow, you do the delay by putting the polling code in an OnUpdate method and then checking how long it has been since the last OnUpdate |
| 01:36.50 | Primer | spreading, stacking, or something else |
| 01:36.56 | Ixnorp | Okay. Thanks for your help so far, it's much appreciated. |
| 01:37.05 | Primer | but none of these are any good |
| 01:38.56 | Primer | third option is overlapping |
| 01:39.00 | Primer | but they overlap regardless |
| 01:41.44 | Primer | maybe I just need a different Tidyplates theme |
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| 01:57.48 | Neffi | Ixnorp: Do you already have a system in place for knowing what unit you care about? |
| 01:58.11 | Neffi | In other words, do you know WHEN you want to start polling, and have something like the unit's name? |
| 01:58.43 | Neffi | Or GUID, or other identifying information |
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| 02:14.59 | Neffi | wow, there's an easy solution |
| 02:15.00 | Neffi | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOlTr3Lcub0 |
| 02:15.21 | Neffi | just remove the drive's own bezel, and stick the empty slot cover to the tray as the new bezel |
| 02:15.54 | Neffi | And if corsair would be willing to send me a bunch of extra slot covers, I could try doing a slot-loading mod |
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| 02:16.11 | Neffi | fuck yeah, Corsair 750D it is |
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| 02:36.27 | Neffi | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130944 <- same clocks as their reference version for $30 more. wtf EVGA? |
| 03:08.19 | kd3 | I think so: http://i.imgur.com/n7KioCy.jpg |
| 03:13.55 | kd3 | in other news... wtf. why is the battle.net app pegging a core? |
| 03:15.47 | Fisker | the core is hot |
| 03:16.43 | kullervo | kd3: not on my machine |
| 03:16.48 | kullervo | then again, not many things do. |
| 03:17.31 | Neffi | I think Fisker was making a funny |
| 03:19.57 | kullervo | Neffi: no doubt |
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| 03:39.31 | Shirik | what the hell nelnet |
| 03:39.55 | Shirik | Today I got an email saying that my student loans had been sold to another company. Logged into that company and found only half of my student loans. Went back to nelnet, saw the other half. |
| 03:40.03 | Shirik | I'm pretty sure they did this just to make my life harder. |
| 03:40.24 | kd3 | you mean they don't actually want you to pay off your loans in a timely manner? |
| 03:40.25 | kd3 | gasps |
| 03:43.42 | Shirik | wtf |
| 03:43.46 | Shirik | and now I found out the company they sold it to |
| 03:43.48 | Shirik | is owned by nelnet |
| 03:43.50 | Shirik | ...... |
| 03:45.50 | sintAcks | silv3rwind, what was the update for idTip that you just did |
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| 04:28.10 | Neffi_ | wtf is wrong with my country http://ridefortheconstitution.org/ |
| 04:28.16 | sintAcks | local select, UnitBuff, UnitDebuff, UnitAura, UnitGUID, GetGlyphSocketInfo, tonumber, strfind, hooksecurefunc = |
| 04:28.16 | sintAcks | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:28.18 | sintAcks | what's the point of that |
| 04:28.34 | sintAcks | i've seen it done by many authors and never understood why... |
| 04:28.49 | Neffi_ | Some "true American patriots" who think shitty rap sounds intimidating are going to hop in their trucks and cause a traffic jam in our nation's capital, until the president resigns |
| 04:28.51 | Neffi_ | wtf man |
| 04:29.10 | Neffi_ | I want it to go on record here that most of us are not this redneck or stupid |
| 04:29.19 | kd3 | ...cause a traffic jam? |
| 04:29.22 | p3lim | Any of you fine gentlefish mind running this command while viewing SoG in the EJ? /dump EJ_GetEncounterInfoByIndex(5) |
| 04:29.24 | kd3 | not that dc isn't already traffic hell |
| 04:29.38 | p3lim | And let me know the result, as long which region you're playing in |
| 04:29.39 | Neffi_ | Sintacks: 2 reasons |
| 04:30.03 | kd3 | local references are faster than trying to get something from the global namespace |
| 04:30.09 | Neffi_ | One, people believe it's faster. It's not. Me and Semlar (?) tested it. Over millions of accesses, the difference is so small that it could not be calculated. |
| 04:30.31 | Neffi_ | 2, it guarantees you get a copy of the function before it gets hooked, which is why FrameXML does it sometimes |
| 04:31.31 | Neffi_ | Upvalues are not a simple implementation, so saying it's faster is also a little shortsighted. You have to understand Lua's internals pretty damn well to make that asertion. If you don't know Lua's internals, it's easy to assume it might be faster because of what it's logically doing. |
| 04:33.07 | Neffi_ | I don't recommend doing it. It might be slower, it might be faster. The difference is so small, that it won't make your code faster, no matter what you do. Not to mention, if somebody wants to hook something, they have a reason to do so, and you shouldn't be calling an unhooked version |
| 04:33.26 | Neffi_ | Except in strange cases, FrameXML should be the only code that gets to bypass other people's hooks |
| 04:34.32 | Sintacks | it's not my code, btw. lol. |
| 04:34.39 | Neffi_ | Just letting you know |
| 04:34.49 | Sintacks | it's silv3rwind's idTip that i want to see if he added what i requestted or not cuz he didn't update any change logs that i can find |
| 04:35.02 | Neffi_ | When a few of the "rockstars" in the WowAce community started doing it and claimed it was faster, it caught on really fast. Almost everyone started doing it. |
| 04:35.05 | Sintacks | and that was the first line and i thought "why do people keep doing this ..." |
| 04:35.09 | Neffi_ | Just letting you know not to become one of them |
| 04:35.14 | Sintacks | lol |
| 04:35.19 | Sintacks | it doesn't sound logical to me |
| 04:35.27 | Sintacks | it sounds like you are making it call a function that calls a function ... |
| 04:35.42 | Neffi_ | It actually sounded logical based on his claims. Problem is, he never actually tested those claims. |
| 04:35.52 | Sintacks | lol |
| 04:35.53 | kd3 | you're just storing a reference to a function instead of having to look it up in _G |
| 04:35.56 | Neffi_ | And none of us really understood Lua's inner working well enough to dispute -- or those who did, didn't bother to |
| 04:36.01 | kd3 | it's not function-chaining |
| 04:36.42 | Neffi_ | You get that reference before some hooks get made. That's how Lua works. |
| 04:36.54 | Neffi_ | If I hook print after you local it, you get the old version |
| 04:37.24 | Neffi_ | kd3: Ah, I thought you were responding to me, not Sintacks |
| 04:37.38 | kd3 | mm |
| 04:39.05 | Neffi_ | Oh, let me be fair here |
| 04:39.41 | Neffi_ | Some people do this for a legitimate reason. They localize all globals they intend to access, so they can then filter their code through a metatable or the refernece Lua compiler to check for "accidental" global accesses |
| 04:39.51 | Neffi_ | like misspelling their locals, or forgetting to set something as local |
| 04:40.16 | Neffi_ | I still don't recommend it, but that's a perfectly valid reason to do it |
| 04:40.18 | Sintacks | k so he has a function to add teh line to the tooltip for the ID, so i could just add an if to make it do nothing on that function if shift isn't held down. i think. |
| 04:40.50 | Neffi_ | you definitely can |
| 04:41.03 | Neffi_ | wrap the offending code in: if IsShiftKeyDown() then --[[ put code here ]] end |
| 04:41.13 | Sintacks | yeah |
| 04:41.19 | Neffi_ | Is it working? |
| 04:41.39 | Sintacks | reloading |
| 04:41.42 | Neffi_ | Actually, it won't really |
| 04:41.42 | Sintacks | which takes me like.. an hour |
| 04:41.45 | Sintacks | coughs |
| 04:42.04 | Sintacks | IsLeftShiftKeyDown() is the actual function |
| 04:42.07 | Sintacks | which is what i used |
| 04:42.08 | Neffi_ | That will only check to see if shift is down when the line is first added. If you hover over it and THEN press shift, it won't show up. And vice versa. |
| 04:42.26 | Neffi_ | IsShiftKeyDown is the actual function -- this one counts for both left and right shift keys |
| 04:42.36 | Sintacks | o |
| 04:42.51 | Neffi_ | If you want it to show/hide when shift is pressed/released, it's gonna require a bigger modification to the code |
| 04:43.06 | Sintacks | i just want it to only show if shift was held when the tip comes up |
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| 04:43.20 | Neffi_ | You have to either listen an event, or use OnUpdate, to check when shift is pressed/released, and add/remove the text then |
| 04:43.34 | Neffi_ | removing text is most easily accomplished by clearing then re-populating the tooltip |
| 04:49.49 | Sintacks | oh |
| 04:49.52 | Sintacks | god damnit |
| 04:50.00 | Sintacks | the file i was editing |
| 04:50.04 | Sintacks | isn't hte one that's in my addons folder |
| 04:50.05 | Sintacks | :| |
| 04:50.10 | Sintacks | i was editing the one in my downloads folder |
| 04:50.20 | Sintacks | headdesks |
| 04:52.03 | Sintacks | k. it works. |
| 04:52.12 | Sintacks | i wonder why it gets fired like every second though |
| 04:52.25 | Sintacks | when mouseing over a button |
| 04:53.26 | Sintacks | it only does it for certain things though.. weird |
| 04:53.48 | Sintacks | spells and trinkets. but not potions. |
| 04:53.58 | Sintacks | and also not on tranquility |
| 04:54.02 | Sintacks | interesting |
| 04:55.44 | Sintacks | cool |
| 04:55.58 | Sintacks | now i just want the addon that doesn't exist that i have no idea how to make. lol |
| 04:56.42 | Primer | wtf, NPCscan added a minimap button with no option to toggle it off |
| 04:56.49 | bluipodcow | Lol |
| 04:56.52 | Sintacks | lol reverting |
| 04:57.31 | Sintacks | my NPCScan settings keep not saving ... |
| 04:57.49 | bluipodcow | Ha ha' |
| 04:58.29 | Kemayo | I'm going to take this opportunity to evangelize SilverDragon, which has the great merit of not being in the middle of a new-author rewrite. ;) |
| 04:58.42 | Sintacks | lol |
| 05:00.50 | bluipodcow | Oh rly |
| 05:01.22 | bluipodcow | *googles it* |
| 05:01.40 | bluipodcow | Gasp! It's one of yours :P |
| 05:07.50 | Kemayo | Duh. :D |
| 05:09.13 | Mr_Rabies | it's pretty rad |
| 05:09.24 | Mr_Rabies | i pretty much have it running in vignette-only mode |
| 05:09.32 | Mr_Rabies | and mouseover/target |
| 05:10.20 | Mr_Rabies | what should i do about feature suggestions for SD, Kemayo? |
| 05:10.44 | Kemayo | File a ticket on wowace, is what works for me. |
| 05:11.28 | Mr_Rabies | alrighty |
| 05:11.46 | Kemayo | I will then ignore it. Or not. We'll see. |
| 05:12.46 | Sintacks | oh god |
| 05:12.48 | Sintacks | even worse |
| 05:12.51 | Mr_Rabies | i'll make one later, but to bug you on irc, basically just an option to make the dropdown for the broker appear only on a click instead of just mouseover, and being able to turn off the sounds/popup for synced rares would be nice |
| 05:12.57 | Sintacks | NPCSCan's icon doesn't save it's location when you move it |
| 05:12.59 | Mr_Rabies | easier to keep track of on wowace, so i'll do that |
| 05:19.14 | Primer | its* |
| 05:21.03 | fewyn | hahahahaha |
| 05:21.05 | fewyn | [01:18:35 AM] You receive loot: [Thori'dal, the Stars' Fury]. |
| 05:23.48 | kd3 | ! |
| 05:24.42 | Sintacks | there are so many tooltip addons |
| 05:24.49 | Sintacks | but what i want doesn't exist :( |
| 05:25.01 | Sintacks | ... |
| 05:25.13 | Sintacks | what the fuck keeps causing my WoW to just completely lock up... |
| 05:25.21 | Sintacks | it doens't go not responding |
| 05:25.24 | Sintacks | it just doesn't do anything |
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| 05:32.27 | Sintacks | throws an iPhone at blu |
| 05:36.47 | Sintacks | does Torhal still play wow? |
| 05:37.29 | Torhal | Sintacks: Not since TBC, other than leveling to max. |
| 05:37.33 | Sintacks | lol |
| 05:37.56 | Sintacks | have you had any reports of Spamalyzer tooltip not working (showing and causing temp UI lockup)? |
| 05:38.28 | Torhal | Sintacks: Not yet, no. However, it's likely due to folks liek you wondering and not filing a ticket :D |
| 05:38.36 | Sintacks | lol |
| 05:38.40 | Sintacks | i was going to |
| 05:38.49 | Sintacks | after i reset it to see if something got broke first |
| 05:38.54 | Sintacks | and by reset, i mean clear saved vars |
| 05:42.19 | Sintacks | k. it's fine. |
| 05:42.25 | Sintacks | i wonder how it got broken |
| 05:42.39 | Sintacks | and what the fuck is LGBC |
| 05:42.40 | Torhal | Sintacks: :/ No idea |
| 05:46.25 | Sintacks | whatever LGBC is, it spits out 94 messages when i go to a guild bank... |
| 05:48.00 | Sintacks | someone stole the money that was in my wallet... |
| 05:48.01 | Sintacks | dafuq |
| 05:56.04 | fewyn | i'm still laughing about the legendary bow dropping on my rogue |
| 05:56.07 | fewyn | i find this hillarious |
| 05:56.12 | fewyn | at least i was able to equip it |
| 05:56.16 | fewyn | and get the feat |
| 05:56.33 | Sintacks | i hate you |
| 05:56.33 | Sintacks | btw |
| 05:56.34 | Sintacks | :( |
| 05:56.38 | fewyn | i hate me too |
| 05:56.55 | fewyn | i basically did all the tbc raids today |
| 05:57.06 | fewyn | i only got one pet :( |
| 05:57.15 | fewyn | it was lil bad wolf |
| 06:00.36 | bluipodcow | Lol |
| 06:04.11 | Sintacks | is blu even an author |
| 06:05.27 | Neffi_ | So I have this idea for a feature and I was wondering if it already existed |
| 06:05.34 | Neffi_ | In Linux |
| 06:06.01 | Neffi_ | When files get deleted, a routine runs in the background with absolute minimum I/O priority that will securely erase the contents from the disk |
| 06:08.56 | Dagmar | Not that I'm aware of but it's doable |
| 06:11.17 | fewyn | there's probably something for that |
| 06:11.30 | fewyn | finding what it's called is the hard part |
| 06:11.32 | Neffi_ | Well I know it's gotta be doable |
| 06:11.45 | Neffi_ | That's why I asked in IRC, fewyn |
| 06:12.12 | Neffi_ | I'm not so much interested in using the feature, as developing it as a learning experience |
| 06:12.46 | fewyn | i've never heard of such a thing but it sounds like something that should/probably exist |
| 06:12.55 | fewyn | but as i've never had a need for it |
| 06:12.57 | fewyn | no clue |
| 06:14.32 | Neffi_ | I figure it'd be welcome in certain circles with the NSA leak and people who are security conscious (aka paranoid) |
| 06:14.43 | Neffi_ | I wouldn't be too surprised if it didn't exist, but I figure it probably does |
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| 07:38.39 | Sintacks | hmm. |
| 07:38.48 | Sintacks | spamalyzer settings aren't saving :| |
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| 07:52.10 | Sintacks | i feel like a few addons aren't saving things ... |
| 08:03.17 | Semlar | well why not |
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| 08:34.40 | karl_w_w | he installed wow in his program files because lol |
| 08:34.51 | Sintacks | no |
| 08:35.09 | Sintacks | WoW is in C:\Games\World of Warcraft\ |
| 08:35.35 | karl_w_w | and it's not read only or anything silly like that? |
| 08:35.35 | Sintacks | WTF is in D:\Media\Games\World of Warcraft Link Folder\WTF\ |
| 08:35.51 | Sintacks | everything has been fine |
| 08:36.14 | karl_w_w | did you break things with symlinks? |
| 08:36.29 | Sintacks | a few days ago i started having an issue where wow would just lock up for an unknown reason but not go not responding. |
| 08:36.35 | Sintacks | so yeah, killing it then wouldn't save anything |
| 08:36.59 | Sintacks | but a while ago, i moved some things and changed some settings and logged onto another toon and came backa nd they weren't saved |
| 08:39.42 | bleeter | Neffi_: if you wish to 'securely erase' the disk on file removal, there are ways of tracking inode n blah but really the 'easiest' thing if your machine is on 24/7 is to cron a dd for very early morning to write random crap to the empty space of the disk, then delete it once the disk is full. |
| 08:40.01 | bleeter | Neffi_: It's very 'poor mans' kind of solution, but then again it's actually bloody hard to properly secure delete |
| 08:41.50 | bleeter | Neffi_: if you're worried about a semi-skilled person with off the shelf tools undeleting your stuff, the dd(1) thing. If you're worried about NSA, best to put some kinda thermal charge on your drive so when the case is opened it burns a hole straight through the platters |
| 08:42.26 | bleeter | Neffi_: well, not an explosive charge... but you get the idea I hope ;) |
| 08:43.04 | Neffi_ | Although it's been shown theoretically possible to recover data that's been overwritten by a single pass, it's still impractical, even for a big organization |
| 08:43.13 | Neffi_ | A single random pass is enough |
| 08:48.26 | bleeter | 'still impractical' - what folks were saying about tapping all the US's fibre about 6 months ago... :P |
| 08:48.39 | bleeter | but yeah |
| 08:48.41 | bleeter | :) |
| 08:49.06 | bleeter | the other option for sensitive files is a USB stick and a hammer |
| 08:50.30 | Sintacks | anyone ever renamed someone elses addon (or the folders) 'cause they thought the addon was nice, but the name (or folders name) was stupid... |
| 08:50.39 | Sintacks | for personal use, of course |
| 08:50.45 | Neffi_ | Oh no, the NSA's doing with tapping are within the realm of practical, for an organization of their size |
| 08:51.22 | Neffi_ | Sure they probably COULD recover at least half the bits from a 1-pass. But I highly doubt even they can do it at scale. |
| 08:51.33 | Neffi_ | You'd have to be in some serious shit if they were doing that to your drive |
| 08:51.50 | Neffi_ | And an organization smaller, say the FBI, isn't gonna have the resources to do it |
| 08:52.18 | Neffi_ | renames Sintacks. |
| 08:52.22 | Neffi_ | why yes, Syntax |
| 08:52.26 | Sintacks | lol |
| 08:52.39 | Sintacks | Someone owns Syntax |
| 08:52.43 | Sintacks | but hasn't been on in a year |
| 08:53.03 | Sintacks | actually looks like they reg'd and then stayed arond for a few weeks and then just bailed |
| 08:53.18 | bleeter | Sintacks: depends on jurisdiction, but at least here in .au you can do whatever you like with code for personal use as long as you don't redistribute without permission (unless permission's granted in the origiunal licence, etc.) |
| 08:53.29 | Sintacks | not what i was going after |
| 08:53.47 | Sintacks | but i nkow what you mean |
| 08:53.48 | Sintacks | lol |
| 08:55.06 | Neffi_ | fair use |
| 08:59.42 | bleeter | apocryphal story: Australian variant of fair use gave us OpenSSL (yeah yeah, technically SSLeay) & Samba |
| 09:15.20 | Sintacks | moo |
| 09:16.03 | Sintacks | http://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/1o9dh3/dont_forget_to_clean_your_flash_drive_before_a/ |
| 09:17.01 | jnwhiteh | wereHamster: Hi |
| 09:17.20 | Sintacks | weird. i had to log out and back in three different times before SavedInstances said I had done celestials |
| 09:17.29 | jnwhiteh | wereHamster: are you the scrz wereHamster? |
| 09:22.24 | karl_w_w | that's a lot of wereHamster |
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| 09:44.49 | karl_w_w | i made a priest deck with mid-game |
| 09:44.55 | karl_w_w | start the par-tay |
| 10:10.35 | karl_w_w | but no amount of mid-game beats all that pyroblast |
| 10:11.43 | airtonix | Sintacks: darwinism at play. |
| 10:12.53 | airtonix | ༼ ºل͟º༼ ºل͟º༼ ºل͟º༼ ºل͟º ༽ºل͟º ༽ºل͟º ༽ |
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| 10:49.08 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:49.19 | nibordoohe | But when I try to do the same with the chat api it doesn't work. |
| 10:49.29 | nibordoohe | ./script SendChatMessage("\124cff225599excellent" ,"SAY"); |
| 10:49.32 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:54.59 | AcidWeb | Because SAY dont support colors. |
| 10:55.14 | AcidWeb | Thank god. |
| 10:55.33 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:55.49 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:55.55 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:56.02 | AcidWeb | AFAIK no. |
| 10:56.08 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:56.23 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:06.56 | Sintacks | UnitClass() returns PALADIN for the dark shaman :| |
| 12:11.15 | Sintacks | is there an easy way to make .### always has 3 digits? |
| 12:14.12 | Sintacks | s/has/have/ |
| 12:16.43 | airtonix | nibordoohe: despite what others think, I believe you are not a gold vendor. |
| 12:17.33 | airtonix | however, confess your belieber crimes now and your sentence may be reduced. |
| 12:19.41 | Semlar | Sintacks: for pattern matching for format? |
| 12:19.49 | Semlar | for/or |
| 12:20.14 | nibordoohe | is a belieber |
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| 12:22.06 | Sintacks | format |
| 12:22.11 | Sintacks | so that it's always the same length |
| 12:22.19 | Sintacks | so .93 would be .930 |
| 12:22.41 | Semlar | so 3 decimal places? |
| 12:22.47 | Sintacks | YEAH |
| 12:22.48 | Sintacks | i'm dubm |
| 12:22.49 | Sintacks | lol |
| 12:22.51 | Sintacks | dumb* |
| 12:23.03 | Sintacks | that would bhave been an easier way to explain what i awted :( |
| 12:23.06 | Sintacks | fuck typing |
| 12:23.42 | Semlar | it's early |
| 12:24.03 | Sintacks | s/early/late/ |
| 12:24.12 | Semlar | it's definitely something |
| 12:24.18 | Sintacks | lol |
| 12:24.22 | Sintacks | it's late if you've been up all night |
| 12:24.24 | Sintacks | early if you just woke up |
| 12:26.15 | Semlar | well, i know %.3f would limit it to 3 places but i don't know if it's going to fill in zeros for you |
| 12:26.27 | Semlar | i'm trying to remember |
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| 12:27.27 | Semlar | i mean i guess you could just multiply by 1000 and put a decimal in front of it |
| 12:28.40 | Semlar | like format('.%d', num * 1000) |
| 12:28.57 | Semlar | something like that, i still need my coffee too |
| 12:29.56 | Semlar | granted you might want to make sure the number is less than 1 for that |
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| 12:32.26 | Sintacks | the number is actuall <1000 and doesn't have a . |
| 12:32.40 | Sintacks | s/ll/lly |
| 12:32.49 | Sintacks | er |
| 12:32.52 | Sintacks | fuck regex |
| 12:33.15 | Sintacks | s/?ll/lly |
| 12:33.16 | Sintacks | or something |
| 12:33.18 | Sintacks | idfk |
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| 12:34.25 | Semlar | wait the number is an integer under 1000? |
| 12:35.28 | Sintacks | yes |
| 12:35.46 | Sintacks | lol |
| 12:35.50 | Sintacks | it's milliseconds |
| 12:36.28 | Semlar | then where do the decimal places come into play |
| 12:36.42 | Sintacks | before the ..MS |
| 12:36.45 | Sintacks | lol |
| 12:36.54 | Semlar | but your number is 930? |
| 12:37.03 | Sintacks | sometimes it's just 93 |
| 12:37.26 | Sintacks | .93 is .930 |
| 12:37.41 | Sintacks | but let's not get into the fact that it's not really |
| 12:37.43 | Semlar | yeah but 93 would be .093 right |
| 12:37.47 | Sintacks | no |
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| 12:38.01 | Sintacks | hmm |
| 12:38.04 | Semlar | you're talking fractions of a second? |
| 12:38.05 | Sintacks | actually i'm not sure |
| 12:38.08 | Semlar | yes |
| 12:38.11 | Sintacks | yes |
| 12:38.17 | Sintacks | hmm |
| 12:38.23 | Semlar | 930 milliseconds would be .930, 93 would be .093 |
| 12:38.33 | Sintacks | so that menas the leading 0 is falling off |
| 12:39.25 | Sintacks | local tsMS = floor((tsString-floor(tsString))*1000) |
| 12:40.41 | Sintacks | bleh. dps'ing post moar in min |
| 12:47.08 | Sintacks | so timestamp format is time().ms (from the server, as just a string. |
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| 12:48.42 | Sintacks | http://pastebin.com/XhBj276H |
| 12:48.44 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure format('%.3f', seconds + milliseconds) is going to do what you want |
| 12:48.46 | Sintacks | that's what i'm actually using |
| 12:54.27 | zenzelezz | so I was cancelling a magazine subscription; and the intermediate site's title was "QQ" |
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| 13:18.52 | zenzelezz | man, this is amazing for people who like cheesy stuff... and are familiar with (World of) tanks... http://www.jinx.com/content/prod/4319p_4c_1b.jpg |
| 13:20.14 | karl_w_w | http://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/1o9dh3/dont_forget_to_clean_your_flash_drive_before_a/ccq1c7n uh |
| 13:20.18 | karl_w_w | ok |
| 13:23.35 | Sintacks | i posted that earlier :| |
| 13:23.36 | Sintacks | i think |
| 13:23.40 | Sintacks | might have been another channel ... |
| 13:23.48 | jleclanche | [10:16:03] <Sintacks> http://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/1o9dh3/dont_forget_to_clean_your_flash_drive_before_a/ |
| 13:24.35 | Sintacks | what time is it now? |
| 13:24.41 | Sintacks | cuz 10 is in an hour <.< |
| 13:24.54 | jleclanche | 14:24 |
| 13:27.55 | Sintacks | i need moar ram |
| 13:28.20 | Sintacks | holy fuck |
| 13:28.24 | Sintacks | 516MB of addon memory |
| 13:28.40 | Sintacks | wow was using 2.73GB total D: |
| 13:29.20 | karl_w_w | you did Sintacks, I was posting the specific comment thread |
| 13:29.48 | karl_w_w | I have 16gb of ram, I think I'll be OK until the end of time |
| 13:31.48 | Sintacks | now i'm unsure what the timestamp format is... |
| 13:32.08 | Neffi_ | karl_w_w: I'm screenshotting this and backing up that screenshot |
| 13:32.09 | Sintacks | cuz the actually printed to file combatlog is mm/dd hh:ss:tt:ms |
| 13:32.16 | Neffi_ | In like 5 years I'm gonna show it to you |
| 13:36.10 | Sintacks | oh yeah. found an interesting bug with silv3rwind's idTip with my edit. if you repeatedly shiftclick an spell link, it'll add SpellID ID over and overf |
| 13:39.31 | Neffi_ | then he's doing something weird/nonstandard |
| 13:39.38 | Neffi_ | probably updating the tooltip on a timer |
| 13:39.52 | Sintacks | i don't know if it does it without my edit |
| 13:40.00 | Sintacks | my edit is to make it only show the ID if shift is held |
| 13:40.15 | pompy | so this is how the healthcare site has been acting for ppl https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/1393379_728365903729_912081217_n.jpg |
| 13:40.27 | Neffi_ | Google fails me. Are there any software packages that provide FreeNAS-like web-based administration of SAMBA, filesystems, and other shit related to NAS? |
| 13:40.38 | Sintacks | so teimstamp format is ctime.ms (so 1381585226.334) |
| 13:40.41 | Neffi_ | Something to run on Linux and replicate the desired features of FreeNAS |
| 13:41.03 | pompy | http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304441404579119740283413018 lol |
| 13:41.17 | Neffi_ | yes our government's IT infrastructure is horrible |
| 13:41.26 | Sintacks | to format it i've been floor'ing it to drop the ms, and then adding the ms to the end. but something is wrong with that if it's .009 or something and the 0s are getting dropped |
| 13:41.27 | Sintacks | :| |
| 13:42.14 | Neffi_ | wait what |
| 13:42.25 | Neffi_ | why are you formatting it that way? |
| 13:42.29 | Sintacks | idk |
| 13:42.32 | Sintacks | http://pastebin.com/XhBj276H |
| 13:42.32 | Sintacks | lol |
| 13:42.42 | Sintacks | that's the code i came up with a year + ago |
| 13:55.59 | airtonix | Neffi_: yes Zentyal |
| 13:56.21 | airtonix | Neffi_: although it doesn't do ZFS, which Freenas does |
| 14:12.15 | Semlar | Sintacks: i said earlier you can just use format('%.3f', seconds + milliseconds) to display it to 3 decimal places |
| 14:16.12 | Sintacks | that didn't work |
| 14:16.13 | Sintacks | btw |
| 14:16.33 | Semlar | well it certainly should |
| 14:17.02 | Sintacks | it just spit out the same thing. it took in |
| 14:17.27 | Sintacks | or i did it wrong |
| 14:17.57 | Sintacks | /dump format('%.3f', 1381585226.334) |
| 14:18.03 | Sintacks | or actually /dump format('%.3f', 1381585226 + 334) |
| 14:18.05 | Sintacks | ? |
| 14:18.18 | Sintacks | def not second... |
| 14:18.28 | Semlar | i think you misunderstood what i said |
| 14:18.37 | Sintacks | aparently |
| 14:19.04 | Semlar | this is to format it to 3 decimal places, so you would take the seconds (ie. 0-60) and add the milliseconds (just the decimal places) |
| 14:19.33 | Sintacks | looks at map |
| 14:19.38 | Sintacks | looks at Semlar like o.O |
| 14:21.25 | bluspacecow | Sintacks! You fiend! |
| 14:21.51 | Sintacks | hmm |
| 14:21.58 | bluspacecow | you stole ma cookie! |
| 14:22.00 | Sintacks | what i use doesn't even work right at all |
| 14:22.07 | Semlar | frankly i would just split the timestamp on the decimal, apply date to the first half and then just add the second half to the end of it |
| 14:22.12 | airtonix | how you do? |
| 14:22.21 | Semlar | which seems to be what you want |
| 14:22.24 | Sintacks | 21:35|tStampString = 1381585226.1 |
| 14:22.24 | Sintacks | 21:35|"09:40:26.99" |
| 14:22.27 | Sintacks | that's what i want |
| 14:22.35 | Sintacks | what you said |
| 14:22.36 | Sintacks | not what i just did |
| 14:22.39 | Sintacks | my shit doesn['t even work right |
| 14:22.40 | Sintacks | lool |
| 14:22.58 | airtonix | better see a doctor |
| 14:23.07 | Semlar | i don't understand if the timestamp you're getting doesn't always have 3 decimal places or not |
| 14:23.12 | Sintacks | it does |
| 14:23.14 | Semlar | the original timestamp |
| 14:23.18 | Semlar | always has 3 places? |
| 14:23.20 | Sintacks | i checked that |
| 14:23.21 | Sintacks | yes |
| 14:23.32 | Sintacks | at least i can't find one. |
| 14:23.35 | Sintacks | i'll trippled check |
| 14:23.37 | Sintacks | -a p |
| 14:24.55 | Sintacks | 10/12 07:23:05.850 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x030000000798F9FA,"Sintacs",0x511,0x0,0x0100000001BBF265,"Lolala-Firetree",0x514,0x0,113742,"Swiftblade's Cunning",0x1,0x0100000001BBF265,453058,33997,112,0,60000,BUFF |
| 14:24.55 | Sintacks | yeah |
| 14:25.08 | Sintacks | (yes, it prints it differently to the actual printed to file timestamp) |
| 14:25.19 | bluspacecow | im meant to have a cookie in front of me right now |
| 14:25.25 | Sintacks | hmm. |
| 14:25.29 | bluspacecow | but i dont |
| 14:25.33 | bluspacecow | cause sintacks stole it! |
| 14:25.34 | Sintacks | 25:11|1381587964.36 |
| 14:25.36 | airtonix | shouldn't have eaten it |
| 14:25.55 | Sintacks | function WhoInterrupted:COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED(event, timeStamp, eventType, _, _, sourceName, _, sourceRaidFlags, _, destName, _, destRaidFlags, spellId, _, _, interruptedSpellId) |
| 14:25.55 | Sintacks | print(timeStamp) |
| 14:26.02 | Sintacks | using that. it printed it without three digits |
| 14:26.22 | Semlar | okay |
| 14:26.37 | Sintacks | 26:16|1381588029 |
| 14:26.39 | Sintacks | no digits |
| 14:26.47 | Sintacks | but i don't know for sure that that means it doesn't have digits |
| 14:26.57 | Sintacks | if it does, i don't know how to make it actually print them |
| 14:27.10 | Semlar | doesn't matter, just means there's an extra step that needs to be done |
| 14:34.41 | Sintacks | hmm |
| 14:36.04 | Sintacks | what i said was wrong. it is working right. more than i thought. but still has that droping leading 0s problem. http://puu.sh/4Ocfi.png |
| 14:36.18 | Sintacks | makes sense that .6 turns into .599 |
| 14:36.27 | Sintacks | but .023 turns into .23 |
| 14:36.39 | Semlar | http://pastebin.com/JKhK0FQF this is undoubtedly a horrible way to do this but i don't care |
| 14:36.47 | Sintacks | lol |
| 14:37.19 | Semlar | i was using the lua interpreter so you'll have to change the function names |
| 14:37.37 | Sintacks | yeah. os.date doesn't exist. =p |
| 14:37.43 | Semlar | it's date |
| 14:37.47 | Sintacks | that's just date right? |
| 14:37.48 | Sintacks | yeah. |
| 14:38.55 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure you could do it without formatting it before it went into string.match but i couldn't get it to work in the interpreter even though i'm pretty sure it would work in wow |
| 14:40.03 | Semlar | basically just match the digits up to the decimal, then match the rest of the string which could potentially be nil |
| 14:40.03 | Sintacks | would i change the timestamp you tested with to the var for my timestamp like ('%.3f', varName) or ('%.3f', 'varName') |
| 14:40.12 | Semlar | no quotes |
| 14:40.22 | Semlar | that would just turn it into a string |
| 14:40.40 | Sintacks | that's what i thought |
| 14:40.43 | Semlar | so it would be trying to format literally 'varName' instead of your variable |
| 14:40.44 | Sintacks | but i'm used to " and you used ' |
| 14:40.46 | Sintacks | lol |
| 14:40.58 | Sintacks | and i have no idea if there is actually a different |
| 14:41.01 | Semlar | double quotes and single quotes are more or less the same thing |
| 14:41.08 | Sintacks | k |
| 14:41.26 | Sintacks | i thought i've seen them interchanged between authors, but wasn't sure |
| 14:41.37 | Semlar | the only reason i left double quotes in there for the date function was because i just copied what you had |
| 14:41.57 | Sintacks | ah |
| 14:42.30 | Semlar | basically if the string contains a double quote, you'll want to use single quotes around it |
| 14:42.41 | Semlar | if it contains a single quote, you'll have to use double quotes |
| 14:42.48 | Semlar | otherwise it doesn't matter much |
| 14:43.07 | Semlar | if it contains both you have to either escape them or use [[ ]] |
| 14:43.32 | Semlar | [[string]] is like doing "string" |
| 14:44.12 | Semlar | except it ignores the escape character i think |
| 14:44.20 | Semlar | which is a backslash |
| 14:45.09 | Semlar | so the main use for actually quoting with brackets is to write a file path that contains backslashes without having to escape them |
| 14:45.15 | Sintacks | it works |
| 14:45.18 | Sintacks | <3 |
| 14:45.30 | Semlar | good |
| 14:45.31 | Sintacks | throws cookies at Semlar |
| 14:45.54 | Semlar | om nom nom |
| 14:46.24 | Semlar | if there's a better solution i'm too lazy to find it right now |
| 14:46.51 | Semlar | i don't know if the date function supports milliseconds or not |
| 14:47.05 | Sintacks | i don't either |
| 14:47.10 | Sintacks | i doubt it |
| 14:47.15 | Sintacks | most things don't supply ms |
| 14:47.21 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure it doesn't |
| 14:48.03 | Sintacks | now i gotta go kick something to make sure i put it in right |
| 14:48.26 | Sintacks | oh yeah |
| 14:48.47 | Sintacks | I should redo the way this does this ... |
| 14:49.17 | Sintacks | what i should really do is get the lasted "fixed" version that supports instance chat and add my shit to it |
| 14:49.22 | Sintacks | but i don't care abouut instance chat |
| 14:51.00 | Semlar | the chat channels are so fucked |
| 14:51.08 | Semlar | i don't know what they were thinking |
| 14:51.22 | Sintacks | i miss /bg |
| 14:55.43 | Sintacks | formatTimeStamp.. " - " ..msg) would that do hh:mm:ss.ms - blah ? |
| 14:55.48 | Sintacks | the .. thing confuses me still |
| 14:56.16 | Sintacks | wrong var isnt' the right name but doesn't matter. |
| 14:59.33 | Semlar | format takes a string and a set of arguments |
| 14:59.55 | Semlar | and it puts those arguments into that string based on the format you have indicated |
| 15:00.19 | Sintacks | what i typed was meant to be a local var |
| 15:00.36 | Sintacks | formatedtimestamp.. " - " ..msg |
| 15:00.53 | Semlar | oh .. concatenates two strings |
| 15:00.56 | Sintacks | to make hh:mm:ss.ms - stuffs |
| 15:01.22 | Sintacks | if it's against a var, there is no space and if it has a space between it and a var it has a space between it and whatever it's concatenating? |
| 15:01.46 | Semlar | all it does is put the two strings together |
| 15:01.50 | Semlar | it doesn't add spaces |
| 15:01.55 | Sintacks | so something.. " - " something would be something - something and something .. " - " .. something would be something - something ? |
| 15:01.59 | Semlar | if you want spaces, they need to be part of the string |
| 15:02.17 | Sintacks | so there is no difference between something.. " and something .. " ? |
| 15:02.34 | Sintacks | or am i doing something wrong |
| 15:02.37 | Sintacks | lol something again |
| 15:02.38 | Semlar | no, lua almost completely ignores whitespace |
| 15:02.50 | Sintacks | k |
| 15:03.01 | Sintacks | cuz that's another thing i've seen done both ways and wasn't sure how worked. |
| 15:03.08 | Semlar | so you could have string1 .. string2 or string1..string2, no difference |
| 15:03.20 | Semlar | i use spaces purely for aesthetic value |
| 15:03.31 | Sintacks | ahh |
| 15:03.36 | Sintacks | okay |
| 15:03.43 | Semlar | whatever you do be consistent |
| 15:04.00 | Semlar | i prefer string1 .. string2 |
| 15:04.22 | Sintacks | i think i do too if it's combining two vars like that |
| 15:04.47 | Sintacks | but if it's a varstring.. "and then something that you are actually typing cuz it's not some where else" i don't do the space |
| 15:04.54 | Sintacks | at least that's how i've been doing it |
| 15:05.03 | Semlar | string1 .. ' some more text' |
| 15:05.16 | Sintacks | yeah. i meant to space after the " |
| 15:05.18 | Sintacks | ;| |
| 15:06.06 | Sintacks | now i have to get on my monk and get into a group to make sure the edit to WhoTaunted works.... |
| 15:20.31 | Sintacks | i don't even know why i use Prat's ChannelSticky .. i always /whateverchannel i'm trying to talk in every line |
| 15:20.37 | Sintacks | except whispers |
| 15:22.02 | Semlar | default chat remembers what channel you last spoke in when you hit enter |
| 15:22.20 | Sintacks | ohrly? |
| 15:22.27 | Sintacks | den why does prat even have that |
| 15:22.37 | Semlar | so you can turn it off i guess |
| 15:22.45 | Sintacks | hmm |
| 15:22.51 | Sintacks | could make sense |
| 15:22.53 | Semlar | i don't know, what does it do without it |
| 15:25.54 | Sintacks | even if i turn it off in prat, it still stickies |
| 15:26.52 | Sintacks | TellTarget is broken now :| and %t doesn't include server name anymore. |
| 15:26.57 | Sintacks | i should report those as bugs |
| 15:27.07 | Stanzilla | or fix it |
| 15:27.12 | Sintacks | lol |
| 15:28.14 | Sintacks | lol. there's also the up arrow doesn't work now. which sylvanaar knows about and doens't have a workaround he likes yet. |
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| 15:34.58 | tem | is there an addon that allows me to use mouseover heals only on unit frames? |
| 15:35.09 | Stanzilla | clique |
| 15:35.17 | tem | how do I set that up? |
| 15:35.48 | Stanzilla | the options menu is a tab on the spellbook if you meant that |
| 15:35.50 | airtonix | with great skill |
| 15:35.59 | airtonix | and furious joy |
| 15:36.12 | tem | yeah I meant how do I tell it to do a mouseover heal at all in clique |
| 15:36.23 | airtonix | mouseover=thing |
| 15:36.24 | Stanzilla | use the options menu |
| 15:36.30 | Sintacks | would you technickly not be using mouseover heals if you use clique... |
| 15:36.35 | Sintacks | wouldn't* |
| 15:36.35 | airtonix | isn't this explained on the wowinterface page? |
| 15:36.40 | airtonix | i thought it was |
| 15:36.42 | tem | is it? |
| 15:36.47 | airtonix | but then again, that was three years ago |
| 15:37.16 | airtonix | perhaps the author has joined the gnome-shell team and started singing the chorus |
| 15:37.24 | tem | what I'm after is not normal |
| 15:37.30 | Sintacks | it's not |
| 15:37.33 | Sintacks | and i don't think it's possible |
| 15:37.37 | airtonix | actually it is |
| 15:37.42 | tem | it's definitely technically possible |
| 15:37.46 | tem | I'm 100% sure of that much |
| 15:37.48 | Sintacks | doesn't sound possible without clicking |
| 15:37.51 | Stanzilla | use clique |
| 15:37.52 | Stanzilla | end of story |
| 15:37.55 | tem | I just don't know if there are any addons that do it already |
| 15:38.04 | Sintacks | clique isn't using a mouseover macro in the way i'm thinking of using a mouseover macro |
| 15:38.07 | airtonix | i distinctly remember doing it with my disco priest of awesome raid healing |
| 15:38.22 | airtonix | lasers of healing! |
| 15:38.28 | airtonix | pew pew pew |
| 15:38.29 | tem | I am using normal mouseover macros right now |
| 15:38.41 | Sintacks | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:38.42 | tem | but I don't want them to work unless I'm hovering over unit frames |
| 15:38.42 | Sintacks | ? |
| 15:38.52 | Stanzilla | tem |
| 15:38.55 | Stanzilla | stop retard please |
| 15:38.56 | Sintacks | so you don't want them to work on you? |
| 15:38.59 | airtonix | umadbro? |
| 15:39.00 | Sintacks | or you don't want them to do anything at all |
| 15:39.37 | tem | example: /cast [@mouseover,help]Heal;[harm] smite |
| 15:39.51 | Sintacks | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:39.58 | Sintacks | I<3 my smite macro |
| 15:40.00 | tem | example: /cast [@mouseover,help][help]Heal;[harm] smite |
| 15:40.07 | airtonix | tem: you can use the "bind macro" feature of clique |
| 15:40.20 | tem | so with that macro, I either heal my mouseover or heal/smite my target |
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| 15:40.36 | tem | I DONT want to accidently heal a player who I happen to have moused over in the 3d world |
| 15:40.48 | Stanzilla | that's why you use clique |
| 15:40.49 | tem | I only want the mouseover bit to work over unit frames |
| 15:40.50 | Sintacks | so change it to /cast [@mouseover,help] Heal; [harm] Smite |
| 15:41.02 | Sintacks | o |
| 15:41.04 | Sintacks | i see |
| 15:41.05 | tem | how is that any different? |
| 15:41.12 | Sintacks | i typed that as i read yor line before it |
| 15:41.13 | Stanzilla | clique only works on frames |
| 15:41.15 | Stanzilla | so you set that up |
| 15:41.15 | airtonix | i actually didn't bother continuing with mouseover commands that are triggered with keyboard press |
| 15:41.16 | Sintacks | good luck with that |
| 15:41.19 | Stanzilla | replace your macros with normal spells |
| 15:41.20 | Stanzilla | done |
| 15:41.24 | Semlar | i use this http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info17648 |
| 15:41.38 | Sintacks | without using clique. where you are now clicking frames. |
| 15:41.46 | Stanzilla | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5108-Clique.html |
| 15:41.49 | Sintacks | #showtooltip Smite |
| 15:41.50 | Sintacks | /cast [@mouseover,exists,harm,nodead] [@target,exists,harm,nodead] [@mouseovertarget,exists,harm,nodead]Smite |
| 15:41.54 | Sintacks | that's my smite macro |
| 15:42.04 | karl_w_w | I have never understood the point of mouseover healing macros |
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| 15:42.10 | Neffi_ | So the FreeNAS forum users insist that if I use ZFS without ECC RAM, I'm an evil, stupid bastard who deserves to be hanged and my computer will explode. Now this seems a little overzealous to me. Anyone with some more expertise here want to weigh in on the merit of ECC vs no ECC with ZFS? |
| 15:42.15 | Sintacks | i don't like click healing |
| 15:42.22 | karl_w_w | you're using both your input methods to do 1 thing |
| 15:42.29 | Neffi_ | Google gives me not much -- a few gamer dudes who seems to be talking out their ass on the matter |
| 15:42.30 | Sintacks | wat |
| 15:42.30 | tem | karl_w_w, I find ctrl-alt-shift rightclick to be awkward |
| 15:42.49 | Sintacks | I'd rather use the 12 buttons under my thumb |
| 15:42.53 | karl_w_w | so don't bind crazy combos then |
| 15:42.56 | Sintacks | which doesn't work, with clique |
| 15:43.01 | Sintacks | cause those aren't clicks |
| 15:43.17 | tem | then I don't have enough buttons |
| 15:43.22 | tem | for all of my heals |
| 15:43.31 | Sintacks | oh yeah. my smite doesn't have heal with it... |
| 15:43.31 | tem | so mouseover buttons to the rescue |
| 15:43.32 | airtonix | how many do you have? |
| 15:43.36 | Sintacks | my smite is shift+healkeybind |
| 15:43.46 | tem | 8 |
| 15:43.47 | Sintacks | i haven't played my priest in a long time |
| 15:43.52 | airtonix | tem: only 8 ? |
| 15:43.53 | Sintacks | no wait. smite is just 5. |
| 15:43.54 | tem | at least |
| 15:43.57 | Sintacks | heal is 6 |
| 15:44.00 | Sintacks | bleh |
| 15:44.00 | airtonix | only... 8 |
| 15:44.07 | airtonix | wat |
| 15:44.11 | airtonix | only 8 |
| 15:44.18 | karl_w_w | a decent mouse has at least 5 keys |
| 15:44.21 | airtonix | ༼ ºل͟º༼ ºل͟º༼ ºل͟º༼ ºل͟º ༽ºل͟º ༽ºل͟º ༽ |
| 15:44.32 | karl_w_w | bind them all and bind ctrl + them all |
| 15:44.35 | karl_w_w | problem solved |
| 15:44.37 | airtonix | the wat brigade is here |
| 15:45.15 | airtonix | anyway tem, don't worry too much about it. |
| 15:45.33 | airtonix | play with clique and try not to move your hands from wasd |
| 15:45.49 | airtonix | don't go below 50mph |
| 15:46.05 | tem | Heal, Flash, Greater, Penance, Shield, Prayer of Mending, Renew, Prayer of Healing, Binding Heal, Pain sup, life grip |
| 15:46.10 | tem | that's only 10 |
| 15:46.26 | airtonix | oh you're a holy priest. |
| 15:46.27 | tem | please explain why "only 8" is the wat brigade |
| 15:46.35 | airtonix | that's even more wat |
| 15:46.51 | Neffi_ | guys |
| 15:47.01 | Neffi_ | "priest" and "only 8" shouldn't appear so close to each other |
| 15:47.07 | Neffi_ | don't be insensitive |
| 15:47.08 | Sintacks | don't mouseover macros with HealBot require some weird "name" as the mouseover target... |
| 15:48.00 | Sintacks | figure out how to make your frames do that and then do it like that /cast [@hbmouseover] Heal; [harm] Smite |
| 15:48.01 | Sintacks | or some shit |
| 15:48.03 | Sintacks | lulz |
| 15:48.21 | Sintacks | (this is from memory of how healbot worked in Wrath.. i know nothing of how it works now, i never used it) |
| 15:48.32 | airtonix | tem: most of those you use with mouse button + modifiers, the others that you rarely use, i |
| 15:48.38 | airtonix | 'd put near the wasd |
| 15:49.00 | Semlar | why would you put things you rarely use near your movement keys |
| 15:49.08 | Neffi_ | https://blogs.oracle.com/vlad/entry/zfs_likes_to_have_ecc oh that's actually cool |
| 15:49.18 | airtonix | because moving is related to staying alive? |
| 15:49.26 | tem | holy shit you have good reading comprehension |
| 15:49.30 | airtonix | thanks :) |
| 15:49.40 | Neffi_ | I didn't consider that ZFS's scrubbing routines which periodically check for data would nuke the drive if they were run when a memory module started to die |
| 15:49.43 | tem | did I not JUST say that I find the modifier keys to be awkward |
| 15:49.50 | tem | which is the ENTIRE POINT of this conversation |
| 15:49.52 | Neffi_ | data corruption* |
| 15:50.24 | airtonix | Neffi_: the only thing i don't like about zfs is oracle |
| 15:50.46 | Neffi_ | ZFS seems really cool, aside from being a fucking hog on resources |
| 15:50.54 | Neffi_ | I'd never let that FS touch my desktop machine |
| 15:51.01 | airtonix | why not? |
| 15:51.09 | Neffi_ | But I'd definitely love to have it on the machine where I store important data and backups |
| 15:51.18 | Neffi_ | It eats up resources |
| 15:51.24 | tem | also I'm not holy |
| 15:51.46 | tem | you did see "penance" in the list, right? |
| 15:52.08 | Neffi_ | The reading material suggests its best resources will saturate twice the amount of RAM I even have in this system for a decent sized drive |
| 15:52.20 | Neffi_ | best features* |
| 15:52.22 | Neffi_ | very tired |
| 15:52.39 | airtonix | it's about 2g per 1tb or something ? |
| 15:52.55 | Neffi_ | for baseline, yet |
| 15:53.03 | Neffi_ | that's a lot of fucking memory |
| 15:53.08 | airtonix | yeah which gets expensive when it;s ecc |
| 15:53.17 | airtonix | which i'd be more concerned about |
| 15:53.19 | Neffi_ | Definitely makes sense for a file server |
| 15:53.57 | Neffi_ | Well, the ECC problem only crops up if your RAM dies |
| 15:54.34 | Neffi_ | which I mean, it eventually will. but if you're depending on some extra software as your primary backup, you can't complain when it all goes south |
| 15:54.36 | airtonix | so you need to buy 2x the storage space to run mirrored zraid or something |
| 15:54.48 | Neffi_ | remove snapshots fix the problem, at least as well as you maintain them |
| 15:55.07 | Neffi_ | No, because ZFS will scrub both ... parts |
| 15:55.22 | airtonix | then two separate zfs machines, using zfs-send |
| 15:55.24 | Neffi_ | You need to have snapshots being done where ZFS can't touch them with its scrubbing, or where scrubbing is disabled |
| 15:55.45 | Neffi_ | Separate drive would probably do. I'd have to see how ZFS is configured. |
| 15:55.56 | Neffi_ | I've been reading about it for like 3-4 hours but I've never actually used it |
| 15:56.17 | airtonix | i've been using it on my home server for about 1.5yrs |
| 15:56.20 | airtonix | no ecc ram |
| 15:56.28 | airtonix | and 8tb of storage |
| 15:56.32 | Neffi_ | Are you familiar with ZFS's auto scrub? |
| 15:56.48 | Neffi_ | It goes over your drive periodically, finds data corruption, and rebuilds it from parity |
| 15:56.59 | airtonix | it doesn't do that by default |
| 15:57.11 | airtonix | at least zfs-linux doesn't |
| 15:57.17 | Neffi_ | Because of how it leverages system RAM, if this happens while your RAM is failing, it will most definitely nuke ALL your data |
| 15:57.24 | Neffi_ | Ah, you're fine then |
| 15:58.05 | Neffi_ | Good thing I got bored enough to read this, because I totally was gonna put FreeNAS on some shitty old computer that's due to fail soon anyway |
| 15:59.00 | airtonix | your other option is btrfs |
| 15:59.14 | Neffi_ | butterfs* |
| 15:59.25 | Neffi_ | FreeNAS looks really appealing |
| 15:59.38 | Neffi_ | I want something that I can leave headless, without having to manage remotely through SSH |
| 15:59.41 | Neffi_ | I don't like CLI |
| 15:59.59 | Neffi_ | I like control panels and I love pretty graphs that quantify what's happening for me |
| 16:00.16 | Neffi_ | That's why I asked if there was a similar tool for Linux |
| 16:01.15 | airtonix | zentyal can manage normal raid |
| 16:01.29 | AcidWeb | Neffi_: if you looking for sync solutions check BtSync too |
| 16:02.25 | Neffi_ | No, I was specifically looking for NAS |
| 16:03.14 | Neffi_ | but that's kinda cool, AcidWeb |
| 16:03.21 | AcidWeb | Neffi_: And run on NAS... |
| 16:03.38 | Neffi_ | I don't yet have a NAS |
| 16:04.09 | Neffi_ | oh |
| 16:04.13 | Neffi_ | yeah, I'm tired, sorry |
| 16:04.25 | AcidWeb | :-) |
| 16:04.55 | Neffi_ | i drank like 8 red bulls and 9-10 cups of espresso yesterday and stayed up all night |
| 16:05.19 | Neffi_ | i've been hallucinating movements, and i can't really read |
| 16:06.44 | airtonix | AcidWeb: i might try using btsync to replace gdrive |
| 16:06.52 | Neffi_ | zentyal: i was looking into that, and ClearOS too. thanks for that recommendation |
| 16:07.02 | AcidWeb | airtonix: It is nice combo with http://pyd.io/ |
| 16:07.14 | airtonix | i personally think zentyal is a little bit better than clearos |
| 16:07.28 | Neffi_ | the clearos users think the opposite |
| 16:07.30 | Sintacks | I see why Prat's /tt doesn't work |
| 16:07.32 | Sintacks | it uses UnitIsSameServer |
| 16:07.43 | Sintacks | which returns 1 now, with colestedrealms |
| 16:07.44 | Sintacks | fuck spelling |
| 16:07.55 | Neffi_ | both of them rub me a little weird. their web sites are both conscpiciuosly vague on a lot of things |
| 16:08.04 | Neffi_ | i didnt even know what the hell i was reading for a minute or two |
| 16:08.04 | Sintacks | so i can fix this |
| 16:08.06 | Sintacks | i think |
| 16:08.46 | Neffi_ | ill probably give zent a go afrer i sleep and wake up again |
| 16:10.29 | Neffi_ | airtonix: you use Zentyal? |
| 16:10.53 | airtonix | yeah, but i always look for something else. i really hate their lack of unit tests and use of perl |
| 16:11.02 | airtonix | but as far as features go |
| 16:11.10 | Neffi_ | perl... |
| 16:11.17 | Neffi_ | i was gonna ask what it's like to develop modules for |
| 16:11.21 | Neffi_ | <_< |
| 16:11.23 | airtonix | ugh |
| 16:11.46 | airtonix | i keep wanting to create a django project that does it. but it's really not a simple thing to do. |
| 16:11.55 | Neffi_ | not with that spirit |
| 16:11.59 | airtonix | not nicely anyway |
| 16:12.22 | Neffi_ | im stil not hugely clear on what "it" is |
| 16:12.31 | Neffi_ | is this like, a general 'server'? |
| 16:12.34 | Neffi_ | generic* |
| 16:12.46 | airtonix | i use it for : |
| 16:12.59 | airtonix | dns management, mail server management, samba 4 management |
| 16:13.11 | airtonix | dhcp, radius, ldap |
| 16:13.14 | Neffi_ | remake it all in lua |
| 16:13.19 | Neffi_ | ;p |
| 16:15.06 | airtonix | essentially zentyal aims to be a windows 2003 server replacement |
| 16:15.37 | foxlit | Someone should publish a zip of every current addon ever. |
| 16:15.59 | Sintacks | anyone in game right now and not in an instance or somewhere with people outside your own realm |
| 16:16.27 | foxlit | sintAcks: which returns 1 now, with colestedrealms << this is probably wrong. |
| 16:16.28 | Neffi_ | never used windows 2003 server |
| 16:16.54 | Sintacks | only way to test is get into a BG. but i'm not sure if that even works now |
| 16:17.07 | foxlit | quote the line that offends you, sintAcks. |
| 16:17.39 | Sintacks | it's returning 1 in an instance and in dal |
| 16:17.47 | Sintacks | 1 means same server |
| 16:17.58 | Sintacks | and Someone-SomeOtherServer, isn't same server in the way i want |
| 16:18.10 | foxlit | please do what I asked? :) |
| 16:18.16 | Sintacks | what did you ask |
| 16:18.32 | foxlit | quote the UnitIsSameServer call in question |
| 16:18.45 | Sintacks | UnitIsSameServer("player","target") |
| 16:18.57 | foxlit | okay, so my googled version is up-to-date after all. |
| 16:19.05 | foxlit | UnitIsSameServer changed in 5.4; it only takes one argument. |
| 16:19.10 | Sintacks | oh? |
| 16:19.13 | Sintacks | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitIsSameServer |
| 16:19.15 | Sintacks | out of date |
| 16:19.20 | Sintacks | what's the new one? just target? |
| 16:19.24 | foxlit | http://wowpedia.org/API_UnitIsSameServer |
| 16:19.34 | Sintacks | ah makes sense |
| 16:19.38 | Sintacks | that's an even easier edit then |
| 16:19.45 | Sintacks | I was having fun making a new thingy |
| 16:23.00 | airtonix | Sintacks: the other perplexing thing about zentyal is it's a brazil thing. so there's lots of inappropriately happy people. |
| 16:24.12 | Neffi_ | "Brazukuabs" |
| 16:24.28 | Neffi_ | that's how I tried to spell "Brazilians" |
| 16:24.30 | Sintacks | going to assume you were talking to someone else |
| 16:24.36 | Sintacks | cuz i have no idea what you are talking about, airtonix |
| 16:24.53 | Neffi_ | "Brazilians" are inappropriately happy? |
| 16:25.18 | airtonix | no in fact, when you realise that 42 monkeys are quite significant in the whole scheme of things. |
| 16:25.41 | Sintacks | if someone's in game dump UnitName("target") on someone on your realm and tell me if the realm is nil or your realm |
| 16:25.44 | Neffi_ | i dont |
| 16:25.46 | Neffi_ | what |
| 16:26.04 | Neffi_ | i think i need to get to bed |
| 16:26.08 | airtonix | Neffi_: explosion > house demolised > sad face > rubble > stranger walks in > :) HOLA!!! > time for drinks! |
| 16:26.10 | Sintacks | sleep is for the weak |
| 16:26.55 | Neffi_ | airtonix: sounds like a place to live |
| 16:27.21 | airtonix | actually most brazilians prefer to migrate to australia |
| 16:27.34 | airtonix | it's slightly less corrupt |
| 16:27.49 | Neffi_ | i've seen the way your congress acts on youtube |
| 16:28.49 | Neffi_ | mk. ima definitel go to sleep now because im starting to get mild dreamish hallucinations |
| 16:28.49 | airtonix | you mean the zoo? |
| 16:28.58 | Neffi_ | thanks for the recommendations/help airtonix |
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| 16:35.18 | Sintacks | bleh. i'm in a dungeon so i can't see if UnitName("target") returns nil or the sever name for someone actually from your server |
| 16:39.55 | Sintacks | http://pastebin.com/A9UepzaS |
| 16:39.57 | Sintacks | that's what i came up with |
| 16:40.01 | Sintacks | the first part that is |
| 16:40.37 | Sintacks | but it's not needed |
| 16:45.14 | foxlit | can't you just use FrameXML's GetUnitName? |
| 16:46.07 | Sintacks | idk |
| 16:46.59 | Sintacks | for what? |
| 16:49.52 | foxlit | for whatever it is you're doing. It looks like cross-realm name formatting logic to me. |
| 16:50.01 | Sintacks | fixing Prat's TellTarget |
| 16:50.45 | Sintacks | which is just a simple change |
| 16:50.56 | Sintacks | but i didn't know that until you said UnitIsSameServer was changed |
| 16:51.07 | Sintacks | but i wanted to make my fix anyway just because i can |
| 16:53.19 | Sintacks | also, the UnitIsSameRealm("target") fix works fine. |
| 16:54.31 | Sintacks | I do wonder though, if UnitIsSameServer still returns nil on an actual merdged realm |
| 16:54.32 | Sintacks | fucksepling |
| 16:55.33 | Sintacks | i forgot what realms were connected |
| 16:56.06 | Sintacks | Boulderfist and Bloodscalp |
| 16:56.07 | Sintacks | k |
| 17:02.32 | Sintacks | okay. it's broken for connected realms. |
| 17:02.44 | Sintacks | so when more of them get connected, UnitIsSameServer won't work for /tt |
| 17:03.31 | jleclanche | airtonix: in python 3, whats the efficient way of building a string from length-1 read() calls and decode it into utf-8? eg i get b"A", b"B", b"C" etc every time. in python2 i used to build a list and "".join it, but here thats not possible of course |
| 17:05.19 | Sintacks | YEP |
| 17:05.21 | Sintacks | it doesn't work |
| 17:05.29 | Sintacks | so UnitIsSameServer("target") is useless on connected realms |
| 17:05.34 | Sintacks | so now i get to make sure my fix actually works |
| 17:08.35 | foxlit | "sintAcks: it doesn't work" << could you possibly describe that in more detail? |
| 17:11.29 | Sintacks | UnitIsSameServer("target") returns 1 on someone on the same connected realm as you |
| 17:11.46 | foxlit | Okay, that's nice to know. |
| 17:12.03 | foxlit | Use UnitRealmRelationship. |
| 17:12.06 | Sintacks | so for it's use in TellTarget, it won't work on connected realms. works fine in LFR and the like |
| 17:12.39 | Sintacks | damnit |
| 17:12.42 | Sintacks | stop giving me other ways to do it |
| 17:12.44 | Sintacks | i like mine D: |
| 17:17.42 | Sintacks | so i if UnitRealmRelationship("target") ~= 1 need server name |
| 17:17.56 | Sintacks | s/i // |
| 17:18.48 | foxlit | seems right. Should probably also use the LE_ global instead of an explicit 1. |
| 17:19.35 | Sintacks | if UnitRealmRelationship("target") ~= LE_REALM_RELATION_SAME then use server? |
| 17:19.58 | foxlit | yes. |
| 17:20.13 | Sintacks | k |
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| 17:22.03 | Sintacks | now i wish i hadn't deleted the toon so fast |
| 17:22.06 | Sintacks | i have to walk back again |
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| 17:23.57 | Sintacks | that works, foxlit |
| 17:24.02 | Sintacks | I still like my fix! |
| 17:36.38 | airtonix | sorry jleclanche, i have no idea. i'm probably not as smart as you. |
| 17:36.53 | airtonix | i'm not even playing with python 3 yet |
| 17:37.06 | Sintacks | k. submitted fix for sylvanaar to implement |
| 17:37.07 | Sintacks | yay me |
| 17:37.18 | Sintacks | or pompachhomp |
| 17:37.40 | Sintacks | since they are listed as maintainer |
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| 17:43.30 | Sintacks | i wonder if pompy is pompachomp |
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| 17:44.18 | Ressy | yup |
| 17:44.48 | Sintacks | throws things at pompy until they fix Prat's TellTarget |
| 17:47.33 | Syllios | Would somebody be so kind as to look at this (http://pastebin.com/8TM6UpC1) short rudimentary test snippet and tell me why it wont remember the frame position when activated? (I'm making it movable and enabling the mouse when in the game by running a script and i'm moving it, this should cause the frame to flag the isUserPlaced and it should save the frame right?) |
| 17:53.00 | foxlit | Syllios: "I'm making it movable" << does that actually work? |
| 17:53.24 | Syllios | Yeah, watch im running this script: |
| 17:54.13 | Syllios | http://pastebin.com/zrHiKhF4 |
| 17:54.22 | Syllios | I'm running that when in-game |
| 17:54.46 | Syllios | The frame comes up and I'm able to move it. |
| 17:55.47 | Seerah | call :SetUserPlaced(true) on your frame |
| 17:56.21 | foxlit | unnecessary, Seerah. |
| 17:56.33 | Seerah | but if he does it and it makes it work? |
| 17:56.44 | foxlit | will it make it work? :) |
| 17:56.46 | Syllios | Yeah it's unnecessary, if tried that already |
| 17:56.54 | Syllios | i've* |
| 17:57.23 | Iriel | Are you creating the frame too late? |
| 17:57.33 | Iriel | I dont remember if the saved positions are applied just before or after PEW |
| 17:57.40 | Syllios | I don't know that's why I gave you guys the code |
| 17:57.58 | Iriel | See if creating it IMMEDIATELY helps |
| 17:58.37 | Seerah | Good point, Iriel. PEW means that all (or at least most) stuff should be loaded. If you're waiting til then to create your frame, then it won't get its position from the layout-cache |
| 17:59.22 | Syllios | so you guys want me to create it right off the back? when the addon's loading? |
| 17:59.43 | Syllios | let me try that |
| 17:59.59 | Seerah | Yep. |
| 18:01.06 | Syllios | nope, didn't do it. |
| 18:02.00 | Iriel | Did you check the layout cache to see if your frame is in it? |
| 18:02.03 | foxlit | so they're right that P_E_W is too late for layout cache |
| 18:02.04 | Seerah | ^^ |
| 18:02.14 | foxlit | But it *is* saved in the layout cache. |
| 18:02.16 | Seerah | (about checking layout-cache) |
| 18:02.47 | foxlit | It's just not restored, because... spoilers. |
| 18:03.20 | Syllios | because? |
| 18:03.23 | Iriel | Syllios: also, are you testing with the first or second script? |
| 18:04.28 | Iriel | (Maybe just paste your latest code) |
| 18:04.39 | Syllios | The addon is this: http://pastebin.com/8TM6UpC1, the test script to make the frame movable and visible and position it and all the bs is this one, which I run once im in the game: http://pastebin.com/zrHiKhF4 |
| 18:04.52 | Iriel | Your second one re-anchors the frame |
| 18:04.55 | Iriel | doesn't it? |
| 18:05.53 | Syllios | I need to re-anchor it, I don't position it in the addon's code so that if it WERE to save the position, the addon's code doesn't overwrite it |
| 18:05.56 | foxlit | the test is presumably run the second script, move the frame manually, reload, observe that the frame is not visible. |
| 18:06.41 | Sintacks | pokes pompy |
| 18:06.53 | Sintacks | I want my fix to actually get used so i can feel special |
| 18:07.02 | foxlit | Syllios: call aFrame:SetMovable(true) when you create the frame. |
| 18:07.14 | Syllios | right after it? |
| 18:07.22 | Iriel | Usually you create the frame and set the default positon when your addon loads |
| 18:07.27 | Syllios | right after creation i mean? |
| 18:07.30 | Iriel | (And make it movable) |
| 18:07.34 | foxlit | yeah, in your for loop. |
| 18:07.43 | Iriel | and then when the game finished loading the UI it will relocate it if necessary |
| 18:07.53 | Syllios | ok cool, haha, idk why i put all that bs in the loop if i only have one frame |
| 18:08.36 | Syllios | oh but I should do it on what event? |
| 18:08.43 | Syllios | ADDON_LOADED? |
| 18:08.59 | Seerah | Does anything from your saved variables effect your frame? |
| 18:09.00 | Iriel | Just do it when your code is parsed |
| 18:09.10 | Seerah | If not, then ^^ |
| 18:09.11 | Syllios | ok let me see |
| 18:09.12 | foxlit | A_L will work. |
| 18:09.22 | Iriel | The simplest solution is this -- create stuff on execution, "configure" it on event. |
| 18:09.29 | Iriel | (For things you want the game to manage location of) |
| 18:09.51 | Iriel | Get fancy with events once you have it working the simple way. |
| 18:10.16 | Syllios | that did it |
| 18:10.33 | Syllios | bout time -_- I swear it's taken me a freaking day to get that to work |
| 18:10.54 | Iriel | I wonder if SetMovable is required in order for the game to apply the previously saved position - it'd make sense but I dont see it mentioned in Wowprogramming, and I dont remember ever testing it. |
| 18:11.14 | Syllios | my guess is yeah since it's the only thing i changed |
| 18:11.24 | jnwhiteh | yes, I believe its ignored if its not set |
| 18:11.27 | jnwhiteh | I remember something weird like that |
| 18:11.30 | foxlit | Iriel: I wonder if SetMovable is required in order for the game to apply the previously saved position << hthis is precisely it. |
| 18:12.02 | foxlit | Out of interest, Syllios, are you basing your code on some tutorial/howto somewhere? |
| 18:12.26 | Seerah | http://wowpedia.org/Making_draggable_frames "If you want WoW to save the position of your frame between sessions without writing additional code, you'll need to create the frame and flag it as movable before PLAYER_LOGIN fires." |
| 18:12.30 | Iriel | fixes wowprogramming |
| 18:13.19 | Syllios | actually i think that's where i was basing this thing from |
| 18:13.29 | Syllios | I'm new to it so yeah |
| 18:13.31 | Iriel | jnwhiteh: I'm guessing you have an alert when wowprogramming is mentioned? Or was I just lucky you were paying attention? |
| 18:14.12 | Shirik | victory is mine! |
| 18:14.15 | Shirik | "We are pleased to inform you that your U. S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP), Global Entry program membership has been approved." |
| 18:14.20 | Shirik | no more of that waiting around crap |
| 18:14.51 | Iriel | Shirik: do you cross the border enough that's an issue? |
| 18:14.59 | Shirik | I'm more interested in TSA Precheck |
| 18:15.27 | Shirik | but even the times I went to other countries this year was way too long |
| 18:16.05 | Shirik | btw!! |
| 18:16.22 | Shirik | that Captain Phillips movie |
| 18:16.25 | Shirik | has our aicraft in it :D |
| 18:16.36 | foxlit | Syllios: Some things are weird, like the self.isMoving reference. |
| 18:16.54 | Iriel | Shirik: i'll hopefully remember that whenver it comes out on BD and I watch it. |
| 18:16.57 | foxlit | ah, wowwiki. |
| 18:16.59 | foxlit | Figures. |
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| 18:17.28 | Syllios | Maybe it was another site I truy can't recall but it wasn't wowprogramming, it was one of these dark-themed ones |
| 18:17.43 | Iriel | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Frame/SetMovable |
| 18:17.44 | Iriel | There |
| 18:18.31 | Iriel | Shirik: so you call them aircraft rather than "awesome sky robots" ? |
| 18:18.40 | Shirik | generally :P |
| 18:18.48 | Iriel | I think that's a missed opportunity |
| 18:21.13 | Syllios | ok so confirmed, it also works from "ADDON_LOADED". good news there because I don't like to initialize things right of the back |
| 18:22.37 | Iriel | Cute / cool spaceship commercial from StarCitizen - http://vimeo.com/76735257 |
| 18:23.32 | airtonix | i'm working on my own project at the moment, and yesterday i woke up in the middle of a dream where someone was pointing out a flaw in my project... |
| 18:24.58 | airtonix | i was like: holy shit that's BRILLIANT WATSON! |
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| 18:28.31 | Iriel | This is pretty amusing: https://twitter.com/HardSciFiMovies |
| 18:30.56 | Seerah | Syllios: " I don't like to initialize things right of the back" <-- I'm curious why? |
| 18:32.13 | kd3 | hah, that's pretty good iriel |
| 18:32.32 | Iriel | Personally I have nothing against that philosophy in general, as long as it doesn't make the resulting application significantly more difficult to maintain and debug - it's a decent habit to be in. That said, if you know you're going to need X anyway, there's little benefit to deferring it and you end up consuming more system resources holding the initialization code around (if you really care about such things) |
| 18:34.51 | Syllios | Personal preference, I don't see a reason as to why it should be initialized then. I like to make code which i believe interleaves with the "system" that it's running on, to make it as "native" as possible; basically play nice. And I believe game events allow me to do just that, I have to conform to the methods. That's why there were designed in the first place. |
| 18:35.29 | Syllios | they* |
| 18:35.52 | Iriel | Well, arguably there events are there for cases when you NEED to do late initialization, not necessarily to say you should always do late initialization. [Just playing the devil's advocate a little] |
| 18:35.55 | Seerah | Events were made to have something to listen for to do things at the time you want them done. |
| 18:36.07 | Iriel | In this case i dont think it's a problem. |
| 18:36.39 | Seerah | If you want something done at initialization, then why register for the event and create the event handler (therefore calling a function)? :) |
| 18:36.43 | Iriel | Though your code hanging around so that it can be called is something that's useful to understand on principle (in practice RAM is cheap) |
| 18:41.43 | Syllios | Well I'm more than sure we've all got our ways, so be it. |
| 18:41.56 | Seerah | We're not saying you're wrong |
| 18:42.07 | Syllios | Lol yeah I get that don't worry |
| 18:42.08 | Seerah | just showing you the other side |
| 18:42.51 | Syllios | I'm a big OOP fan, and I've got "classes" all over the place, that was just a code snippet and it makes more sense for me to do it this way, trust me guys |
| 18:43.44 | Syllios | by the same coin, im a big C AND C++ fan, so I've seen both sides believe me |
| 18:44.46 | Syllios | except for C strings... they can burn in hell for all i care... |
| 18:45.19 | Iriel | C Strings were awesome when we were memory constrained. |
| 18:46.16 | Syllios | they would've been "awesomer" if that wasn't the case and they were somewhat LENGTH mutable... instead of you having to implement your own damned code every time to do so. |
| 18:46.29 | Sintacks | wtf is wrong with me |
| 18:46.35 | Sintacks | i read c strings and thought underwear |
| 18:46.47 | Syllios | hahaha lmao |
| 18:47.51 | kd3 | grr eclipse updated |
| 18:48.07 | kd3 | wonders if any of his plugins work |
| 18:49.56 | Shirik | anyone here use clang on windows? I have a patch for it and want to see if there's any support for it. |
| 18:50.07 | Shirik | (More accurately, clang with visual studio) |
| 18:52.12 | Sintacks | I <3 the addon misspelled |
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| 19:25.37 | Sintacks | hmm. actually this edit to idTip doesn't work quite right :| |
| 19:26.40 | Sintacks | mkasdgiojasdfa |
| 19:26.50 | Sintacks | what the fuck keeps making my wow lock up :( |
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| 19:47.10 | Shirik | do you have a while true do end in your addon? |
| 19:52.44 | Shirik | http://imgur.com/e0LcT6J |
| 19:53.15 | Syllios | Are saved variables ready when ADDON_LOADED is called for x addon? |
| 19:53.33 | Iriel | Syllios: yes |
| 19:53.41 | Syllios | ok awesome thatnks |
| 19:53.54 | Syllios | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.56 | Iriel | They're loaded right before it fires |
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| 20:18.47 | Syllios | are frames which have been flagged as user placed (:IsUserPlaced()), do they persist after logout? I mean, if I logout and log back in, and the frames have been positioned automatically, does the flag persist? |
| 20:21.00 | foxlit | yes |
| 20:21.40 | Syllios | AWWW then its my bs that's not doing it right -_- |
| 20:29.35 | foxlit | In general, it shouldn't be too complicated. You just have to create the frames in question before PLAYER_LOGIN, giving them a name, and marking them as movable (you can also anchor them for default positions -- layout cache will override that cleanly) |
| 20:30.43 | foxlit | then, if you call :StartMoving() when the user drags the frames, you shouldn't really need to bother with SetUserPlaced at all. |
| 20:31.09 | Semlar | it has to be named, that's probably the one thing i routinely forget |
| 20:36.45 | Iriel | CONSISTENTLY named, no less. |
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| 20:56.06 | Shirik | http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/10/09/oops-azerbaijan-released-election-results-before-voting-had-even-started/ |
| 20:58.02 | Semlar | there's an app for that? |
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| 21:06.13 | bleeter | vote early, vote often |
| 21:09.18 | Syllios | what's the best time to save player variables? what event? PLAYER_LOGOUT? and is the addon still loaded by then? |
| 21:09.28 | airtonix | Shirik: old. |
| 21:09.43 | Shirik | what do you mean save them |
| 21:09.57 | Syllios | to update the global |
| 21:10.08 | Shirik | why is there anything to update? |
| 21:10.16 | Syllios | because I do things like that? |
| 21:10.20 | airtonix | why? |
| 21:10.26 | Shirik | so stop doing that |
| 21:10.38 | Syllios | answer the question or say there isn't one |
| 21:10.44 | Semlar | the variables are saved when you log out or reload |
| 21:10.49 | Shirik | That's not what he's asking |
| 21:10.56 | Semlar | i know what he's asking |
| 21:11.02 | airtonix | orly? |
| 21:11.19 | Syllios | anyone? |
| 21:11.30 | airtonix | the best time? |
| 21:11.35 | airtonix | when they change. |
| 21:11.38 | Iriel | I prefer to write saved variables when they change. |
| 21:11.40 | Shirik | There's an easy way to find out |
| 21:11.43 | Shirik | if you really have to |
| 21:11.50 | Iriel | But if you really want to defer them, do it at PLAYER_LOGOUT |
| 21:11.51 | Shirik | just hook up to every event and save the name of the event |
| 21:12.06 | Shirik | but the correct answer is "don't do that" |
| 21:12.25 | Iriel | I do sort of agree with shirik that, if you're doing that, you're probably doing it wrong |
| 21:12.32 | airtonix | Shirik: no the correct answer is: join the android master race and don't use microsoft. |
| 21:12.32 | Syllios | so you want me to corrupt the data? If i update at random times the data will be corrupted, thats such a bad idea |
| 21:12.36 | Iriel | Especially because the last thing someone wants when they're trying to leave is a bunch of other work |
| 21:12.49 | Iriel | We didn't say update in a disorganized manner |
| 21:12.52 | Syllios | what if the user decided to just terminate the client? |
| 21:13.00 | Shirik | Then it won't be saved |
| 21:13.00 | Iriel | Then it wont be saved anyway |
| 21:13.04 | Iriel | no matter when you updated |
| 21:13.41 | Syllios | well i got my answer, anything else is irrelevant |
| 21:13.44 | airtonix | Syllios: if your data gets corrupted when you save it when it changes, then you need a better data structure and a better way to save it. |
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| 21:14.15 | Syllios | you imply there's a best way then, what's the best way? |
| 21:14.19 | Iriel | Basically once PLAYER_LOGOUT is complete, the game traverses all of the registered saved globals and writes them to disk. |
| 21:14.23 | airtonix | because wow lua has ways to do this cleanly without lumping it into one ungodly singularity event |
| 21:14.32 | Shirik | stop duplicating data is the best way |
| 21:14.44 | Iriel | The "best" way is to write changes when they're made, so you dont have to carry around all of the "oh, and I need to save this" state |
| 21:14.47 | Shirik | have one source of data, and use that as your saved variable |
| 21:14.51 | airtonix | lumping it till the end is a great way to loose lots of data |
| 21:15.01 | Iriel | I will accept that there MAY be cases in which you have a need to save it at the very end |
| 21:15.14 | Iriel | But it's likely going to be more work for you, and more delay for your users |
| 21:15.45 | Iriel | Ultimately only you know your datastructure though, we're inferring things from past experience. |
| 21:15.52 | Syllios | ... delay? why would it be delay if the client is exiting..? |
| 21:16.02 | Iriel | Because it's got to run your code |
| 21:16.09 | Iriel | which has to do whatever it's calculating to create the variables |
| 21:16.11 | Shirik | because I would prefer not to stare at my computer while it figures out how to do something as simple as close it |
| 21:16.12 | Iriel | before it returns from the event |
| 21:16.38 | Shirik | every time I have to wait 2 years for visual studio to exit, I curse Microsoft |
| 21:16.49 | Shirik | it's the only application I know of that requires 100M of ADDITIONAL memory to exit |
| 21:16.51 | Syllios | as i take it, lua's tables are pointers, if so, then there won't be any type of major slow down. |
| 21:17.14 | Iriel | lua is fast, but what are you saving? |
| 21:17.34 | Iriel | By virtue of you implying there's some danger of inconsistency or corruption, you're suggesting your data structure is large and non-trivial. |
| 21:17.36 | Syllios | a table that's been modified independently from the actual thing. |
| 21:18.37 | Iriel | Is that because there's a more efficient "runtime' form, and a different more compact "saved" form? |
| 21:18.53 | Syllios | yeah |
| 21:19.07 | Iriel | Highly volatile during gameplay? |
| 21:19.17 | Syllios | you'd be surprised |
| 21:19.46 | Shirik | If there's one thing I've learned in the past years of software development |
| 21:19.48 | Iriel | Well, since I have no idea what you're trying to do, I dont think i'd be surprised as much as "uninformed" |
| 21:19.53 | Iriel | But hopefully YOU know. |
| 21:19.57 | Shirik | it's that performance issues never show up where you think they will |
| 21:20.22 | Iriel | That combination, however, -- alternate runtime structure + high volatility, is probably a rational driver for a "save at the end". |
| 21:20.24 | Syllios | haha i got this trust me, ill be back in a while I gotta go... im hungry as hell |
| 21:20.32 | Shirik | I have also learned to trust nobody |
| 21:20.33 | Syllios | Yeah |
| 21:20.37 | Semlar | you can tell how angry someone is by how much information they withhold |
| 21:20.52 | Iriel | Semlar: or "Defensive" |
| 21:20.56 | Semlar | same thing |
| 21:20.57 | Syllios | ^ |
| 21:21.05 | Iriel | Folks do need to realize we ask questions to help, not to mock. |
| 21:21.05 | Syllios | not the same thing thing |
| 21:21.24 | Syllios | brb |
| 21:21.40 | Iriel | Without the debate it's hard to tell if you're doing X for well-thought-out reasons, or because you think it's necessary when it isn't. |
| 21:21.45 | Iriel | Enjoy lunch. |
| 21:21.46 | Iriel | or dinner |
| 21:21.49 | Iriel | or whatever meal it is |
| 21:22.12 | Iriel | "Integration with your nutrient dispersal bus" |
| 21:22.13 | Shirik | tbh though |
| 21:22.17 | Shirik | very relevant: http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#goal |
| 21:24.00 | Iriel | I will note, that thinking of wow's saved variables in terms of "load' and "save" is often misguided. |
| 21:24.19 | Iriel | It's more like "a datastructure which, once your addon loads, is the way you left it when you were last there" |
| 21:24.45 | Iriel | The discrete load and save are implementation details |
| 21:25.18 | Xuerian | "Persistent Variable" |
| 21:25.31 | Shirik | no |
| 21:25.32 | Shirik | nonononono |
| 21:25.50 | Shirik | Sorry, that term brings back very bad memories |
| 21:25.53 | Xuerian | Haha. |
| 21:26.53 | Shirik | that was the name of something in the framework of an api I was working on a while back, and basically was so consistently broken that every time a new feature was added, a new bug was found in it |
| 21:27.16 | Iriel | Like the early days of the HTML formatting in wow |
| 21:39.31 | Syllios | I |
| 21:39.35 | Syllios | am back |
| 21:40.05 | Syllios | Iriel: thanks for the "enjoy lunch" |
| 21:40.51 | Syllios | SO! Anyone got experience with internships? |
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| 21:48.18 | Iriel | Syllios: other than hosting a couple of interns in a team I managed several years back, not really. |
| 21:48.54 | airtonix | some bosses can't tell the difference between cheap employee and intern that breaks shit? |
| 21:49.03 | Syllios | I see, what company? |
| 21:49.19 | airtonix | "You mean he can click buttons for $10 an hour? omfg SOLD!" |
| 21:49.36 | Iriel | Williams-Sonoma (On the technology side, eCommerce and all that fun stuff). |
| 21:49.42 | airtonix | "what do you mean communicate?" |
| 21:49.43 | Syllios | haha that's putting it bluntly |
| 21:51.27 | Iriel | Assuming intern== cheap labor is the first mistake (unless it's an internship for something totally unskilled, but why would a role like that need interns) |
| 21:51.29 | Syllios | Oh I see. I should try doing an internship, haven't had any experience but from what I hear it's "You wake up one day, and all your shit is broken because some douche from the other side of the world broke it, and you basically have to fix it every day.. but i mean it's fun" |
| 21:52.28 | Syllios | heard that from a guy @ IBM |
| 21:55.38 | Syllios | it sounds really annoying, doesn't it.. |
| 21:59.37 | Iriel | That's life for any developer with a multi-national team with poor internal quality control. |
| 21:59.40 | Iriel | Intern or not 8-) |
| 22:00.22 | Syllios | hmm that sounds like a pretty serious issue... |
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| 23:00.57 | jleclanche | anyone here familiar with setting up a domain name + mail server so everything redirects to an arbitrary address? |
| 23:03.51 | Thunder_Child | web address or mail address? |
| 23:04.02 | jleclanche | *@example.com |
| 23:04.22 | jleclanche | Im reading a lot of conflicting info |
| 23:05.23 | Thunder_Child | I'm still not sure what you want. |
| 23:05.40 | jleclanche | everything from *@example.com redirects to foo@gmail.com |
| 23:06.06 | Thunder_Child | How many @example.com do you have? |
| 23:06.11 | Thunder_Child | or does that not matter? |
| 23:06.15 | jleclanche | doesnt matter |
| 23:06.23 | jleclanche | but im more concerned about dns config |
| 23:06.35 | jleclanche | some say i have to set up a MX record on example.com, some say there should be a MX record on mail.example.com and a PTR record on example.com |
| 23:07.05 | Thunder_Child | so you want an invisible redirect as opposed to a forward. |
| 23:07.18 | jleclanche | sure, i dont really care as long as it ends up there |
| 23:07.40 | Thunder_Child | Personally I would do it in the mail server. |
| 23:08.29 | jleclanche | right, again i am not concerned about the mail server yet (i didnt even install it yet), more about the dns |
| 23:09.24 | Thunder_Child | uh...so you mean you want incoming mail -> fake domain -> real domain -> web server? |
| 23:12.08 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: have you seen the league music video? |
| 23:12.11 | jleclanche | Thunder_Child: I have example.com, it points to my computer. id like to set up email on it so that Im able to receive email (and can, in the server, redirect it to another address) |
| 23:12.20 | Shirik | the jinx one? |
| 23:12.32 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: yes. |
| 23:12.36 | Shirik | yeah |
| 23:12.39 | Shirik | pretty awesome |
| 23:13.10 | Thunder_Child | jleclanche: Like I said. I would rather set up the forward in the mail server itself, as opposed to the MX records. |
| 23:13.21 | Thunder_Child | Mail Client* |
| 23:13.22 | jleclanche | Thunder_Child: yes, i got that, and i agree with you |
| 23:13.43 | jleclanche | the first step is where Im stuck because I found a lot of conflicting information on what to actually do with the mx records |
| 23:14.02 | jleclanche | whether i should set it up directly on example.com, or mail.example.com with a ptr record on example.com, or whatever else |
| 23:14.34 | Thunder_Child | Ah, Best I could do is look it up same as you. I havent done one in ~2+ years and I have a shit memory. Sorry. |
| 23:14.57 | jleclanche | aight |
| 23:15.33 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: I'm just impressed they came out with a woman who does not have ginormo tits. |
| 23:15.51 | Shirik | I'm sure it was some kind of HR decision |
| 23:15.57 | Thunder_Child | About damn time. |
| 23:16.04 | Thunder_Child | It was pissing me off. |
| 23:22.54 | Iriel | jleclanche: I do this: |
| 23:22.59 | Iriel | danielstephens.com. IN MX 10 mail.partialobscurity.com. |
| 23:23.25 | Syllios | ok someone ought to really say in those help pages the frames which will be flagged as IsUserPlaced() need to be movable before logout, otherwise they'll get under your skin and annoy you for ~1.5 days |
| 23:23.58 | Syllios | for some reason their position must be movable @ login and @ logout |
| 23:24.23 | Iriel | WHy would you CHANGE the movable flag? |
| 23:24.32 | jleclanche | Iriel: thats it? no ptr record? |
| 23:24.49 | Iriel | Well, not for my mail no |
| 23:24.58 | Syllios | so should I only disable the mouse? |
| 23:25.00 | jleclanche | Iriel: and whats on mail.partialobscurity.com.? |
| 23:25.18 | Iriel | mail.partialobscurity.com. IN A 173.8.135.218 |
| 23:25.27 | jleclanche | ok |
| 23:25.34 | Iriel | it's running my mail config for a bunch of domains |
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