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| 00:07.23 | Semlar | ha, nerf bat |
| 00:07.32 | Semlar | brewmasters still do as much damage as a dps |
| 00:08.01 | tardmrr | some addon is causing my priest to be unable to click on chat links |
| 00:08.08 | tardmrr | my dk does not have this problem |
| 00:08.16 | tardmrr | any ideas? |
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| 00:08.18 | Semlar | possibly something that modifies the tooltip |
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| 00:08.41 | Semlar | or needs to process link clicks for something else |
| 00:10.58 | Neffi_ | Esamynn|work: There are several that add more presets, but I can't recommend any personally as I dont use them. Check skyrimgems.com |
| 00:11.35 | Semlar | i was doing Thok yesterday in flex mode and after the rest of the raid died our brewmaster tank couldn't be killed by him |
| 00:11.52 | Semlar | he was just outhealing all of the damage |
| 00:12.31 | Neffi_ | I've been thinking about doing a total overhaul mod for Skyrim. Overhaul perks, spells, combat, AI, atmosphere. Basically totally redo the gameplay. (See: SkyRe, Ace, Requiem, etc). I'm not particularly happy with any of the other overhauls already available. |
| 00:12.50 | Neffi_ | Would any Skyrim players be interested in testing and contributing feedback were I to do this? |
| 00:13.45 | Neffi_ | Note this would be a huge undertaking that would probably involve a couple months of work before I had a prototype I'd be happy with accepting feedback on |
| 00:15.02 | Neffi_ | I would aim to make all perk trees actually compelling. Every perk worth considering, and adding something really meaningful (not just +dmg, -magicka cost, etc). Total overhaul of AI, enemy reaction, enemy strength, and ESPECIALLY the difficulty/power curve over the levels |
| 00:15.43 | Neffi_ | And probably individually re-imagine every aspect of being a spellcaster -- every type of magic tree, all spells, the magic gameplay in general. |
| 00:15.46 | foxlit | could you cure cancer while you're at it? |
| 00:15.49 | Esamynn|work | Neffi_: I've been looking for a reason to replay Skyrim... |
| 00:16.02 | Neffi_ | foxlit: No but I might implement cancer ;) |
| 00:16.21 | Neffi_ | "You have contracted melanoma." |
| 00:16.42 | Esamynn|work | one might suggest Skyrim already has cancer.... it's just called Vampirism :P |
| 00:17.04 | Neffi_ | Vampirism would also be totally re-imagined from the ground up. And lycanthropy. |
| 00:17.16 | Esamynn|work | don't expect me to test those :P |
| 00:17.29 | Esamynn|work | (yes, I am anti-vampire) |
| 00:17.32 | Neffi_ | I'd take some hints from WoW's spellcasters for magic. Things like freezing enemies in place with directed casts, etc |
| 00:17.56 | Neffi_ | Like, an ice spell that freezes things, so it can be used to encase enmies in ice, freeze in place, etc |
| 00:18.21 | Neffi_ | I love vampire mythology, so that's one thing I'd spend a lot of time redoing |
| 00:18.55 | Neffi_ | Everything would have to agree with ESO's lore though. I love the lore too much to diverge form it. |
| 00:19.31 | Esamynn|work | good, as I said, I've been looking for a reason to replay Skyrim so consider me on board for testing |
| 00:19.59 | Esamynn|work | I don't know much about the mod world, but I know my way around the skyrim console |
| 00:20.18 | Neffi_ | As long as this doesn't end up as another project that takes drastically more time and effort than I can give it, I'll hopefully have a good prototype that's close to a beta release in 2-3 months |
| 00:20.21 | Neffi_ | Hopefully close to 2 |
| 00:20.39 | Neffi_ | A lot of it will be drafting the ideas on paper, so if you've got any ideas, send 'em my way |
| 00:27.17 | Neffi_ | http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/43609//? damn that's a lot of polygons |
| 00:27.52 | Neffi_ | I think there's times when I'd really consider selling a kidney for a few GTX Titans or equivalent |
| 00:30.01 | Amarande | heh, what would you do with that many GTX Titans |
| 00:30.15 | Amarande | except maybe play FFXIV at full detail in 4k, perhaps |
| 00:30.58 | Amarande | THAT, I wouldn't be surprised if it requires nothing less than 3 or 4 Titans on an LGA 2011 machine, especially in FATEs :) |
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| 00:35.59 | Amarande | that would probably also perhaps be the one reason I might still choose Ivy Bridge-E over Haswell next build |
| 00:36.09 | Amarande | would be if I suddenly won the lotto or something and ended up with a 4K monitor |
| 00:36.33 | Amarande | since with such monitors IB-E is probably vital because you need so much GPU power to game acceptably at that high of a resolution I'm sure |
| 00:36.55 | Amarande | doubt any single card could handle it at any good framerate, and 2 might be iffy too |
| 00:38.14 | Neffi_ | Skyrim w/ Skyrim HD mod, SMIM mod, ELFX, Realistic Water Two, Climates of Tamriel, several handchosen texture replaces on top of that, and a good hand-made ENB |
| 00:38.25 | Neffi_ | I could definitely saturate 2 GTX Titans, no question |
| 00:38.46 | Neffi_ | SMIM (Static Mesh Improvement Mod) alone is a big boost to the graphics |
| 00:38.57 | Amarande | Neffi: heh, LGA 2011 might actually be for you, then |
| 00:39.06 | Neffi_ | No use for it |
| 00:39.09 | Neffi_ | Haswell all the way |
| 00:39.19 | Amarande | well, it sounds like you actually use enough graphics horsepower for the extra PCI-E to be worth it |
| 00:39.21 | Neffi_ | LGA 2011 offers nothing of value whatsoever |
| 00:39.42 | Amarande | of course, then you'd have to get a third titan :) |
| 00:39.43 | Neffi_ | That would still really only saturate x8 on each card, at most |
| 00:39.48 | Neffi_ | PCI-E 3.0 is fast as fuck |
| 00:40.07 | Amarande | so, am I getting this right that healer monks are some kind of funky hybrid dps/healing mojo? |
| 00:40.11 | Amarande | or am I reading EJ totally wrong heh |
| 00:40.35 | Neffi_ | Plus Skyrim seems to be fairly good at managing GPU memory, so it shouldn't spend much time peaking the x8 PCI-E bandwidth (if any) |
| 00:42.00 | Neffi_ | With 2 Titans I could probably load 11 square grids in Skyrim -- pretty much load all the land/environemtn as far as the eye can see |
| 00:42.04 | Neffi_ | Default does less than half that |
| 00:42.35 | Neffi_ | Shooting a deer that's so far away it's 2x2 pixels on a 2560x1600 monitor would be fucking awesome |
| 00:46.40 | Amarande | Heh like that one assassin in Tomorrow Never Dies who says he could shoot Bond (who's in Hamburg at the time) from Stuttgart? |
| 00:48.27 | Neffi_ | I'm ridiculously handy with a bow in Skyrim |
| 00:48.49 | Amarande | that makes skyrim sound like something I might want to play |
| 00:48.59 | Neffi_ | I play with HiAlgo which cuts the 3D resolution by 50% -- and my resoltuon is 1366x768. So sometimes enemies are 1 pixel in size on my screen, and I still get them |
| 00:48.59 | Amarande | sadly, bows were nigh on useless in Morrowind and Oblivion :( |
| 00:49.44 | Neffi_ | I love when enemies are pretty much lost entirely in the FXAA and I still snipe them simply because I know whereabout they stopped moving |
| 00:49.47 | Amarande | though it's actually an RPG problem in general nowadays |
| 00:50.23 | Neffi_ | Bows are pretty fun in Skyrim, but they leave some to be desired in close combat. They're best used from stealth. |
| 00:50.27 | Neffi_ | It's one thing I'd like to overhaul |
| 00:50.54 | Neffi_ | I think real master archer that's leveled it to 100 and invested lots of perks into it should be able to give Legolas a run for his money |
| 00:51.06 | Neffi_ | Things like close-combat power-shots to the rib cage, 3-arrow shots and shit should exist |
| 00:52.39 | Amarande | yeah that's the basic problem with bows in modern RPGs |
| 00:52.54 | Amarande | in fact, I suspect that's at least 50% of the reason why hunters are a pet class :) |
| 00:52.59 | Neffi_ | It's fixable within the limits of the Skyrim engine. It's just very tricky to do. |
| 00:53.23 | Amarande | especially in the deadzone days, if hunters didn't have pets, they'd basically be worthless outside of groups I would imagine |
| 00:53.30 | Neffi_ | I think WoW could've done bows a LOT better, but only because I have ideals of what bow combat should be that clearly don't agree with WoW's developers' ideals |
| 00:53.33 | Amarande | since you'd always be stuck in melee too quickly |
| 00:53.45 | Amarande | which is the basic problem with bows in modern RPGs |
| 00:53.48 | Neffi_ | Rangers are hands down my favorite archetype |
| 00:54.20 | Neffi_ | I hate that a lot of styles of combat feel more epic in games than in real life, but an actual skilled archer would put a video-game archer to shame |
| 00:54.24 | Amarande | They work nicely in games like the Baldur's Gate, Ultima, and Gold Box types where for the most part you had a party and/or the enemies moved slowly enough that you could conduct a significant amount of a battle at range |
| 00:54.48 | Amarande | unfortunately, it seems like the days of control-a-party RPGs have pretty much died outside of console JRPGs :| |
| 00:55.00 | Amarande | now it's all about "control one character fast action hybrid RPG" gameplay :p |
| 00:55.11 | Neffi_ | I like real-time combat like Skyrim's. Point, aim, move freehand, etc. I think re-imagining the ranger archetype in a game like that leaves a lot of room to make something great. |
| 00:55.25 | Amarande | trying to even think of recent titles where you still have a party you fully control on PC, apart from the KOTORs, NWN2, and Dragon Age |
| 00:55.40 | Amarande | (in fact, it actually seems almost exclusively a Bioware thing now, doesn't it ...) |
| 00:55.53 | Neffi_ | Last one I remember playing is Vampire The Masquerade - Redemption -- the old, original one |
| 00:55.57 | Neffi_ | pre-Bloodlines |
| 00:56.03 | Neffi_ | that was a fun game |
| 00:56.24 | Amarande | I find it can water down some of the essence of an RPG |
| 00:56.51 | Amarande | basically, instead of playing a character who has their own, independent of you stats, you get action gaming where increasingly it's the player's physical attributes that are used, not a character's |
| 00:56.58 | Amarande | the character's agility is only as good as yours, in particular |
| 00:57.10 | Neffi_ | Never played a game like that |
| 00:57.23 | Amarande | sooner or later, especially with wii/kinect style controls or the like, we'll probably end up replacing strength with the player's too |
| 00:57.39 | Amarande | till eventually the only character based stats are things like armour and magic related ones, perhaps :| |
| 00:57.55 | Neffi_ | TBH I don't mind the approach newer RPGs are taking, granted I think there's not a single RPG out today that couldn't have done it a LOT better |
| 00:58.06 | Amarande | and they'll probably call it "progress to making games more immersive" or some silly marketing claptrap like that :p |
| 00:58.17 | Neffi_ | I prefer to abstract the fine details like stats away from the player, and make the whole more freeform and immersive |
| 00:58.33 | Neffi_ | I like the concept of feeling like you're truly playing a role |
| 00:59.13 | Neffi_ | Great immersion, especially when it brings the storyline to the forefront, is my favorite part of RPGs |
| 00:59.43 | Amarande | well, immersion is a nice thing |
| 01:00.02 | Amarande | but on the other hand, would you really like it if games start being such that you can't, say, play a ninja type, unless *you yourself* have the reflexes and agility of a ninja? heh |
| 01:00.30 | Amarande | or eventually, perhaps, that you won't be able to play a sword swinger unless you yourself have the upper arm of Conan? :S |
| 01:00.39 | Neffi_ | I'm a sucker for the details of world building, character development, plot progression, heavy use of literary device. I love a game that feels like it was made to bring a story to life, not to bring a controller/computer to life. |
| 01:00.59 | Amarande | actually I can tell you what total immersion like that would do |
| 01:01.03 | Neffi_ | Well that would make gaming moot |
| 01:01.04 | Amarande | it would cause almost every player to play a mage :) |
| 01:01.08 | Neffi_ | People don't play games to be themselves |
| 01:01.23 | Amarande | since presumably you would never be able to tie magic to a player's physical attributes |
| 01:01.32 | Neffi_ | Nobody would play a mage, because nobody can really cast bolts of fire |
| 01:01.51 | Neffi_ | That's a flaw in the whole philosophy |
| 01:02.15 | Neffi_ | Trying to bring the player that far is thinking about gaming from the wrong perspective |
| 01:02.19 | Amarande | and yeah, story-based gaming tends to be a favourite of mine as well |
| 01:02.29 | Amarande | although, there's something to be said for the separation between real world and gaming world |
| 01:02.36 | Amarande | I like DA:O, but I doubt I'd want to live in Thedas, LOL |
| 01:03.19 | Amarande | hah what did I once say about Dragon Age |
| 01:03.22 | Neffi_ | I sound like a fanboy when I talk about Elder Scrolls sometimes, but I do think its storytelling is unmatched |
| 01:03.28 | Neffi_ | I started watching this series: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0Od2lbw9N4 |
| 01:03.36 | Amarande | after having just finished the Orzammar storyline ... noting the existence of the Dragon Age pen and paper RPG |
| 01:03.39 | Neffi_ | The background lore tying it all together is impressively good |
| 01:03.50 | Neffi_ | It feels like a classic fantasy tale |
| 01:03.56 | Amarande | what did I comment on that ... "but perhaps you might want to play something more warm and snuggly, like ... Call of Cthulhu" |
| 01:04.45 | Neffi_ | I need to go grab a smoke or two |
| 01:05.01 | Neffi_ | If you like learning background lore, and like Elder Scrolls, I suggest you watch at least some of those videos I linked |
| 01:05.27 | Neffi_ | Very well researched and put together, and it unfolds parts of the lore that only the most dedicated players ever learn |
| 01:05.41 | Neffi_ | It's a magnificent story from start to present |
| 01:19.40 | Arrowmaster | both my wednesday appointments got canceled monday afternoon, nobody told me and i luckily saw they were gone today, so i get a day off! |
| 01:19.49 | A-KO | OH YEAH |
| 01:19.51 | A-KO | BLIZZCON SOON MOFOS |
| 01:19.53 | A-KO | JUST SAYIN' |
| 01:20.56 | Arrowmaster | have they said yet whos playing the closing? |
| 01:21.22 | A-KO | nope |
| 01:21.23 | A-KO | not yet |
| 01:26.48 | pompy | im surprised, in 2011 they announced it earlier than where we are at now for '13 |
| 01:27.22 | pompy | well |
| 01:27.45 | pompy | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:28.13 | pompy | so it should have been like today! |
| 01:29.53 | pompy | Probably next Monday. |
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| 01:50.25 | kd3 | anyone who has a passing knowledge of typography should look away from the 's' in this image: http://theuso.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/lowes_logo.jpg |
| 01:50.28 | kd3 | can't unsee |
| 01:51.14 | Neffi_ | You don't need a passing knowledge of typography to know that logo sucks |
| 01:51.22 | Neffi_ | That S really is bad |
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| 02:01.48 | Neffi_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/lGXFa lol @ Tyson |
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| 02:28.08 | Primer | Neffi_: I just got the google maps optin blank page |
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| 02:57.55 | Neffi_ | Primer: What worked for me... |
| 02:58.12 | Neffi_ | http://www.google.com/maps/about/explore/ <- click the Try Now button on the globe artwork - NOT the Try Google Maps at the top |
| 02:58.16 | Neffi_ | Then click Explore |
| 02:58.19 | Neffi_ | fixed my problem |
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| 03:19.26 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/iJXxu.jpg |
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| 03:25.33 | pompy1 | https://www.facebook.com/darksouls/posts/547100755362973 dark souls 2 beta |
| 03:26.11 | pompy1 | eh they have custom priv settings for that post |
| 03:26.30 | pompy1 | anyway - http://beta.darksoulsii.com/us/schedule.html |
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| 04:23.44 | Thunder_Child | I have a folder of old tv show theme songs that I just found.....such a bad idea to listen to them. |
| 04:28.56 | Fisker | why would you have such a thing? |
| 04:29.04 | Thunder_Child | Good question |
| 04:29.10 | Thunder_Child | Nonetheless, I have it |
| 04:29.17 | Thunder_Child | I was fine till i got to MASH |
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| 05:06.37 | Fisker | weee more bad news |
| 05:16.45 | Cairenn | :( |
| 05:17.43 | Shirik | bad news? |
| 05:23.54 | Fisker | yeah Shirik |
| 05:24.28 | Fisker | our internet is being barely upgraded! |
| 05:24.54 | Fisker | at the great advantage of getting usage caps |
| 05:25.04 | Fisker | and we can't say no |
| 05:25.05 | Fisker | weeee |
| 05:26.40 | Shirik | yay |
| 05:26.50 | Shirik | Charter has a usage cap for me |
| 05:26.54 | Shirik | it's 500GB/mo |
| 05:27.00 | Shirik | and if I exceed that, they don't care |
| 05:27.15 | Shirik | if you believe what the internet tells you, they don't really bother contacting you until you hit about 2 TB/mo |
| 05:28.45 | Fisker | hmm |
| 05:29.03 | Fisker | I don't know if the same is the case here |
| 05:29.21 | Shirik | "Nobel Prize in physics awarded to pair who theorized Higgs boson" |
| 05:29.23 | Shirik | about time |
| 05:29.33 | Fisker | they don't DC you but I believe they have like a 3 strikes system |
| 05:29.43 | Shirik | Charter's the same |
| 05:29.50 | Shirik | they'll warn you and ask you to upgrade |
| 05:29.57 | Shirik | and if you do it like 5 times or something in a year |
| 05:30.01 | Shirik | then they'll suspend you |
| 05:30.47 | Shirik | I lied |
| 05:30.48 | Shirik | 3 times |
| 05:30.58 | Fisker | :P |
| 05:31.01 | Shirik | Customers who exceed the "No Excessive Use of Bandwidth" section in the AUP may be notified by Charter that they have exceeded their monthly threshold and informed of Charter's Excessive Use policy. Charter Customer Care Representatives will help identify possible causes and offer suggested ways the customer can reduce bandwidth consumption. If the customer exceeds the "No Excessive Use of |
| 05:31.01 | Shirik | Bandwidth" policy and is notified three times in a six-month period, the customer's Internet service may be suspended after the delivery of the third notice. |
| 05:32.03 | Fisker | guess I'll do some contract reading when I get home |
| 05:45.53 | Neffi | Good Guy Verizon: doesn't kimit you until you hit ~77 TB per month |
| 05:45.54 | Neffi | http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/05/fios-customer-discovers-the-limits-of-unlimited-data-77-tb-in-month/ |
| 05:45.59 | Neffi | limit, rather |
| 05:47.15 | Iriel | That had nothing to do with limits and everything to do with contract violation. |
| 05:47.23 | Neffi | True enough |
| 05:47.44 | Neffi | But he was consistently using an avg or 50 TB a month -- for obviously more than a month or two -- before any issue arose |
| 05:47.55 | Iriel | Right, he was dumb enough to get noticed. |
| 05:48.16 | Neffi | I think he didn't care. Look at his server rack. He can obviously afford to upgrade to the business line. |
| 05:48.35 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:48.38 | Neffi | It was probably along the lines of "sir, wtf u doin? u need to go business, this is bullshit" "oh, okay mam" |
| 05:48.49 | Iriel | He had a business plan |
| 05:48.56 | Iriel | and he switched to residential because it was cheaper |
| 05:49.50 | Neffi | Still, the point was that Verizon is really good in this respect |
| 05:50.05 | Iriel | nods, indeed. |
| 05:50.19 | Iriel | I was just pointing out this particular article has no bearing on verizon's good-ness |
| 05:50.57 | Neffi | This month I've been downloading/seeding almost constantly. Some high quality HD rips of movies have reached ratios close to 100. I also downloaded Tera, Rift, WoW, Skyrim, Oblivion, Morrowind, and at least 12 GiB of mods -- several times over as I switched between games on a daily basis |
| 05:51.03 | Neffi | I definitely used several TB this month |
| 05:51.05 | Neffi | No issue |
| 05:51.47 | Neffi | I had a week straight of not being sure which game I want to play, so I was constantly redownloading games and associated mods |
| 05:52.20 | Fisker | was pretty funny how he was using the same username on this anime torrents site |
| 05:52.28 | Neffi | lol |
| 05:52.42 | Neffi | also never got a letter about my torrenting. Got them occasionally with Comcast. |
| 05:53.02 | Neffi | I'm not exactly a casual torrenter, but then again I'm not insane with it |
| 05:53.17 | Neffi | I just binge once a month and download a lot of movies and music, and consistently download good HD rips |
| 05:53.18 | Fisker | you don't have a server rack at home? |
| 05:53.25 | Neffi | I have a single laptop |
| 05:53.26 | Neffi | =( |
| 05:53.37 | Neffi | It sits atop a fan pointed upward to keep it cool while I game |
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| 05:53.44 | Neffi | It's a pretty ghetto setup |
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| 05:54.32 | Neffi | I can't wait to build a modest-good desktop and a custom NAS+seedbox+HTPC box |
| 05:54.43 | Neffi | Been searching for a job for a bit now |
| 05:55.13 | Primer | sigh...my addon still hangs the client. I have no idea how |
| 05:55.30 | Iriel | Do you have a busy loop waiting for something? |
| 05:55.31 | Neffi | I'd be ecstatic if I could get at least 2 TB of storage in some redundant configuration. I couldn't imagine having several TB. |
| 05:55.32 | Primer | I swear, I copied jnwhiteh's code verbatim! |
| 05:55.35 | Iriel | Because that will never work |
| 05:55.52 | Iriel | Also, does it hang after a clean restart? |
| 05:56.07 | Primer | Iriel: it's some event handler that calls itself on occasions |
| 05:56.07 | Iriel | Sometimes you can trip yourself up during development and end up with an accidental circular reference |
| 05:56.14 | jnwhiteh | what code? |
| 05:56.20 | Iriel | Is your event handler not re-entrant? |
| 05:56.32 | Primer | jnwhiteh: my POI integration |
| 05:56.41 | Primer | which I borrowed, with your permission, from TomTom |
| 05:56.54 | jnwhiteh | ah, hrm |
| 05:56.55 | jnwhiteh | *shrug* |
| 05:57.13 | Neffi | It's easy to not realize your handler is not re-entrant. I got tripped up for a while not being able to find the offending code. |
| 05:57.29 | Primer | well, the problem is the client hangs when this happens |
| 05:57.39 | Primer | this has been a problem with my addon ever since I added this code |
| 05:58.15 | Primer | about 3 years ago |
| 05:58.30 | Iriel | Does your code ever change the map? |
| 05:58.36 | Primer | yes |
| 05:58.41 | Iriel | And does your code do so on an event related to a map change |
| 05:58.47 | Iriel | You might be in a map change fight with another addon |
| 05:58.57 | Iriel | or the base UI |
| 05:58.58 | Primer | hrmm |
| 05:59.17 | Iriel | (More likely an addon, I dont think the UI is that twitchy) |
| 05:59.24 | Primer | Iriel: you willing to look at some code? :) |
| 05:59.52 | Iriel | I shouldn't need to, here's how to test it |
| 06:00.11 | Iriel | Set a variable to zero, and make an OnUpdate handler that zeroes it |
| 06:00.21 | Iriel | Increment the counter on entry to your event handler |
| 06:00.29 | Iriel | if it reaches 100 throw an error with the current event |
| 06:01.30 | Primer | well, I already have such a thing, but for the purposes of checking if the code is going into that event handler again, before having left it from a previous iteration |
| 06:02.35 | Iriel | Well, if you have what I just described then you'r enot stuck in your event handler. |
| 06:04.38 | Primer | Here's the comment from tomtom: local scanning -- This function is not re-entrant, stop that |
| 06:05.16 | Primer | from TomTom_POIIntegration.lua |
| 06:05.37 | Primer | Here's another comment from the function itself: |
| 06:05.38 | Primer | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:05.38 | Neffi | So if it detects that the handler is being re-entered, it just bails out? |
| 06:05.39 | Primer | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:05.39 | Primer | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:05.46 | Primer | correct |
| 06:06.42 | Neffi | Implement what Iriel said and make sure that's absolutely the case |
| 06:06.57 | Primer | I have an option for turning off quest poi integration, and when I do that, this problem does not manifest itself |
| 06:07.07 | Primer | So I'm pretty certain it's tied to the quest poi stuff |
| 06:11.48 | Primer | heh, a comment from my addon: -- Again, borrowing from other addons, namely TomTomLite (I love you, jnwhiteh). Mostly verbatim |
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| 06:15.06 | Iriel | Primer: I believe jnwhiteh accepts kudos in the form of recent apple hardware |
| 06:16.03 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 06:17.40 | Fisker | noo |
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| 06:30.57 | sintAcks | i have a frame in the middle of my screen that i can't click through that i don't know what is. and shows up as a table with framestack... |
| 06:31.01 | sintAcks | how i figure out what it is? :( |
| 06:31.58 | Neffi | dump its contents? |
| 06:32.07 | Sintacks | how do you dumb a table |
| 06:32.19 | Neffi | for k,v in pairs(frame) do print(k,v) end |
| 06:32.28 | Neffi | there might be something stored in it that indicates what it's for |
| 06:32.55 | Sintacks | the frame actually shows as table: in fstack |
| 06:32.59 | Neffi | is it mouse-enabled? Can you do frame=GetMouseOver() |
| 06:33.01 | Neffi | ? |
| 06:33.08 | Neffi | GetMouseFocus() I mean |
| 06:33.24 | Neffi | showing up as a table just means it's an anonymous frmae -- doesn't have a name |
| 06:33.30 | Neffi | like CreateFrame('Frame',nil) |
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| 06:37.05 | Neffi | If the frame is not mouse-enabled (you can't do F=GetMouseFocus()) AND it's the only unnamed frame showing up at that location, you can do this: |
| 06:37.05 | Neffi | http://pastebin.com/C1yskFTn |
| 06:37.10 | Sintacks | that spit out a bunch of shit |
| 06:37.34 | Neffi | Is the frame intercepting clicks? |
| 06:37.41 | Neffi | If not use my code |
| 06:37.44 | Sintacks | yes. that's why i know it exists |
| 06:37.58 | Sintacks | tried to click to turn and couldn't |
| 06:38.17 | Neffi | Then screenshot whatever the print() shit printed out |
| 06:38.51 | Sintacks | wtf. now i can't find the frame |
| 06:39.27 | Neffi | lol |
| 06:39.44 | Neffi | Don't blame me. My addons don't create frames like that. =P |
| 06:42.43 | Sintacks | i hadn't run your thing |
| 06:43.27 | Sintacks | http://pastebin.com/Sy3YULZD |
| 06:44.36 | Neffi | it looks like an AceGUI object |
| 06:44.49 | Neffi | Or, something that's controlling an AceGUI object |
| 06:45.51 | Sintacks | i found it again. slightly left from where it was last time |
| 06:46.25 | Neffi | i dunno |
| 06:46.37 | Neffi | Disable addons in a binary fashion until it doesn't appear? |
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| 06:49.46 | Sintacks | it's there right after a reload |
| 06:49.49 | Sintacks | hmm |
| 06:59.51 | Sintacks | i have too many addons to disable them one by one to find it :| |
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| 07:12.59 | mitch0 | Sintacks: disable half of them, check, disable half of the bad half, repeat |
| 07:13.16 | Kaylin | oo startup items or addons? |
| 07:13.40 | Sintacks | addons |
| 07:14.04 | Sintacks | unnamed frame intercepting clicks. don't know what it's from :| |
| 07:19.08 | Sintacks | I can narrow it down to, it's something that's part of my Full UI and not my Lite UI |
| 07:43.28 | zenzio | I was watching a stream yesterday where one of the guys made a joke about "I wanted orange, it gave me lemon-lime" |
| 07:43.30 | zenzio | I was left wondering how many people today would recognise that one |
| 07:47.51 | Sintacks | My WoW also keeps randomly locking up and doing nothing |
| 07:51.52 | Sintacks | what the fuck is this frame fajodgsdfgajiodgasdfjioasdga |
| 07:53.29 | zenzio | is that just frustration or the actual frame name? |
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| 07:56.57 | Neffi | If it were the name, fixing it'd be a lot easier with a simple ctrl-F |
| 07:57.01 | Sintacks | frustration |
| 07:57.06 | Sintacks | lol |
| 07:58.00 | Neffi | The frame has a key obj= which is an AceGUI object, so that narrows it down to any mod embedding AceGUI (most likely) |
| 07:58.10 | Neffi | make a list of just them, then do a binary search |
| 07:58.28 | Neffi | disable half -> persists? disable half of the ofending half -> rinse and repeat until you've narrowed it to one mod |
| 08:00.04 | Sintacks | I'm starting with recently updated addons |
| 08:00.50 | Neffi | I would also check the AceGUI changelog to see if a more recent bug mentions this issue |
| 08:00.55 | Neffi | Could be a lib issue |
| 08:01.01 | Neffi | more recent build* |
| 08:02.37 | Neffi | wtf |
| 08:02.52 | Sintacks | ? |
| 08:03.03 | Neffi | "fuck I haven't seen Colbert/Jon Stewart in a week" -> watch newer episodes -> "wtf I saw this already" |
| 08:03.09 | Neffi | I'm losing my mind more and more |
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| 08:17.19 | Sintacks | the fuck... it's moving when I move a weak aura group |
| 08:19.36 | mitch0 | TADA |
| 08:19.48 | Sintacks | but it's not the weakaura group |
| 08:19.57 | Sintacks | after a reload, it's back to it's normal spot |
| 08:28.12 | Sintacks | think i found it |
| 08:28.14 | Sintacks | cuz i can't find the frame |
| 08:28.25 | Sintacks | and the addon i disabled is not part of my Lite UI |
| 08:31.34 | Sintacks | okay. it wasn't that one. |
| 08:34.54 | Neffi | Regarding my Skyrim overhaul, here's some of my very early ideas for Archery http://pastebin.com/LmRhjYj2 |
| 08:35.27 | Sintacks | hmm |
| 08:35.37 | Sintacks | it's Zygor's viewer |
| 08:35.38 | Sintacks | dafuq |
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| 08:51.57 | mitch0 | eh |
| 08:52.16 | mitch0 | that guy was always a bit fishy |
| 08:53.36 | jleclanche | "Personally I think [Snowden] is a hero. But surely we can all agree there exist circumstances under which some lawful intercepts are justified: child pornographers, terrorists actively planning murders, missing persons, etc." |
| 08:53.58 | jleclanche | I guess this guy didn't get the memo. snowden is a terrorist in the govt's eyes |
| 08:54.43 | jleclanche | "But, the <undefined, broad category of anyone non-compliant to an arbitrary set of rules>!" |
| 08:55.10 | zenzio | sounds about par for Joe Internet |
| 08:55.31 | jleclanche | this is on HN :/ |
| 08:55.49 | zenzio | ouch... |
| 08:55.55 | Neffi | Better off not getting into that |
| 08:57.13 | zenzio | true, they might be reading this right now |
| 08:57.36 | jleclanche | it's They, not they. |
| 08:57.40 | jleclanche | hehe |
| 08:58.06 | zenzio | I for one welcome our spy overlords |
| 08:58.22 | zenzio | ... doesn't work well without the Kent Brockman (sp?) picture |
| 09:03.03 | Maldivia | zenzio: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKbFb6TPVEA :) |
| 09:03.45 | zenzio | :-) |
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| 09:16.45 | jleclanche | heh |
| 09:16.47 | jleclanche | zenzio: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6518677 |
| 09:22.26 | Neffi | Esamynn: Some very early ideas: http://pastebin.com/cg4aC73m |
| 09:23.11 | zenzio | jleclanche: heh |
| 09:23.51 | Neffi | I also want to make the player think in terms of tactics and strategy. I'll be adding perks, overhauling effects and mechanics, to make combat based less on burning an enemy's health down and more about situational awareness, clever use of your environment, and special effects |
| 09:24.55 | zenzio | Neffi: is this all something you will be doing? |
| 09:25.05 | Neffi | Total Skyrim overhaul, yes |
| 09:25.15 | zenzio | it sounds rather interesting |
| 09:25.40 | Neffi | I want Skyrim to feel a lot more epic than it does, and impart a real challenge without going too overboard. Things well thought out, coherent, and aggressively balanced |
| 09:25.54 | Neffi | I'm not happy with any existing overhaul for at least a few very major reasons. |
| 09:27.33 | Neffi | I'm gonna have to do a lot of playing =/ |
| 09:27.49 | airtonix | Neffi: proceduraly generated world! |
| 09:27.59 | Neffi | airtonix: wait, what? |
| 09:28.05 | airtonix | it's all the rage now |
| 09:28.09 | Neffi | >_> |
| 09:28.13 | airtonix | a prision for your mind |
| 09:28.21 | Neffi | I wanted to make a game with a procedurally generated world 5 years ago |
| 09:28.32 | airtonix | then Notch rolled through |
| 09:28.36 | Neffi | With accurate geological effects, real climate and growth patterns, and all |
| 09:28.42 | Neffi | Notch got NOTHING on my ideas |
| 09:28.47 | airtonix | oh ok |
| 09:28.48 | Neffi | I could fill a book with the details |
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| 09:29.25 | Neffi | It would be an RPG though. A good one. That felt like a real world. |
| 09:29.28 | Neffi | Some day it will happen |
| 09:29.48 | airtonix | i want eve online > space walk > orbital dive through atmosphere > gtav + minecraft |
| 09:30.29 | airtonix | i'd trade eve component with star citizen |
| 09:30.39 | Neffi | I prefer Tolkien-esque RPGs tbh |
| 09:30.50 | Neffi | I like that classic fantasy aesthetic and story-building |
| 09:30.58 | airtonix | actually make that last bit use the shadowrun trademark |
| 09:32.50 | airtonix | kinda disapoint with the two shadowrun kickstarters |
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| 09:39.00 | Neffi | wait... |
| 09:39.14 | Neffi | Vampirism and lycanthropy.. isn't there a 3rd effect like this in Skyrim |
| 09:39.15 | Neffi | ? |
| 09:39.21 | Neffi | Something that adds a new combat state |
| 09:39.56 | Neffi | (Speaking of Dawnguard's vampirism, which adds a new combat form analagous to switching to a werewolf) |
| 09:41.01 | zenzio | if you go through with this, I don't suppose you could completely ignore every single bit of Dark Brotherhood, and redo it in a sense that makes it actually not suck? Something like what it was in Oblivion |
| 09:41.09 | zenzio | I was so damn disappointed with DB in Skyrim |
| 09:42.21 | Neffi | I would really, REALLY love to overhaul every one of the major storylines in Skyrim. Not just the guilds, but also things like the Forsworn line, the civil war, etc |
| 09:42.37 | zenzio | would be really cool |
| 09:42.49 | Neffi | But those are even more tremendous undertaking than you can possibly imagine, because they have more widespread effects on the global game state and much more inter-dependence upon other factors |
| 09:42.49 | zenzio | but DB was the only thing I wanted to curl up in a corner and cry about |
| 09:43.01 | Neffi | It's something I would strongly consider doing after this overhaul |
| 09:43.39 | Neffi | To give you a sense of how hard this is, somebody has a mod called Civil War Overhaul. He develops it quite actively, and it's still so buggy that you often need to fix things through the console -- some of them unrelated to the war |
| 09:43.58 | Neffi | To no fault of his own. This is seriously a fucked thing to try and do |
| 09:44.16 | Neffi | It also almost ensures incompatibility with many mods, and TONS of testing will be required |
| 09:45.17 | Neffi | I want the thieve's guild to really be compelling as a money-making system. I want the assassin's guild to be much longer and wider in breadth, actually feel like you're some wanted but unknown assassin, and not end so early |
| 09:45.36 | Neffi | The civil war is especially lackluster |
| 09:46.00 | zenzio | assassin's, that was the Nightingales? Or DB? Or did I miss something |
| 09:46.25 | Neffi | Honestly I figure I'll have a release candidate of this overhaul after 3 months (beta close to 2). That gives me a few months of enjoying the game before ESO comes out |
| 09:46.48 | Neffi | I'm not gonna get into the undertaking of a total quest overhaul which would easily take 6+ months when ESO is already out |
| 09:47.04 | zenzio | I see your point |
| 09:47.05 | Neffi | zenzio: I meant Dark Brotherhood |
| 09:47.41 | zenzio | I found the Nightingales intriguing. Make me feel I should have read the book "Nightingales: Fact or fiction?" instead of assuming it was about birds |
| 09:47.45 | Neffi | I also wanted to do a full expansion with new lands, quests, items, etc a la Dragonborn or Falskaar, but that would easily take a solid year or more |
| 09:48.00 | Neffi | Yeah, I wish the nightingales was a lot more epic too |
| 09:48.11 | Neffi | You're a damn agent of Nocturnal. You should feel her mighty power. |
| 09:49.02 | zenzio | well, in the same sense I was disappointed that they even did daedra if they weren't going to make them powerful. The name of the dude seems to escape me, the one you get the Sanguine Rose from |
| 09:49.03 | Neffi | The only way I see myself doing a quest overhaul is if I somehow don't have a job in the next year (I really fucking hope not) and can't afford ESO and a new computer for it |
| 09:49.34 | Neffi | And then I'd mostly be going through with it because it means adding it to a portfolio. I figure many Skyrim players will go to ESO as well, so once its released, making large-scale mods becomes moot |
| 09:50.09 | zenzio | difficult to say |
| 09:50.18 | Neffi | AFAIK there's a quest for every known Daedra actually. Many of them are bullshit sidequests. One of my very first ideas was to scrap all of these and turn them into full-blown questlines at least as long as the longest vanilla questline. |
| 09:50.20 | zenzio | I have hopes for ESO, but only cautious ones |
| 09:50.55 | Neffi | I keep up with it religiously. It looks like it's gonna shape up good. On the offchance that it sucks, and still sucks 6 months in, I'll go through with all my mod ideas |
| 09:52.03 | Neffi | I mean I remember doing Molag Bal, and Boethiah and .. the Wabbajack shit, I never remember his name, and thinking "that can't be all. maybe I'm not high enough level to unlock the whole chain" |
| 09:54.50 | Neffi | One thing I may do for now is totally revamping all Daedric artifacts so they actually feel like the lore implies they should |
| 09:54.58 | Neffi | Make them really awesome things to have |
| 09:56.33 | zenzio | I feel the Sanguine Rose guy's name is M-something, but all I can think of is "Melkor", "Malygos", etc... |
| 09:56.40 | zenzio | Mehrune? |
| 09:56.58 | Amarande | hrm I thought Mehrunes Dagon was the hell guy, like from oblivion |
| 09:57.09 | zenzio | sounds about right |
| 09:57.33 | zenzio | yeah, I'm way off |
| 09:57.42 | Amarande | Neffi: yeah ESO is going to be sadness :( |
| 09:58.06 | Amarande | ESO basically heralds the end of the line for moddable RPGs that we can make our own visions in without having to go the whole nine yards of licencing engine, creating assets all from scratch etc. like a real dev, doesn't it :| |
| 09:58.08 | Neffi | There is no hell guy |
| 09:58.19 | Neffi | There is no HELL in fact |
| 09:58.23 | Neffi | That's a misconception |
| 09:58.29 | Amarande | Since I get the feeling there won't be any Elder Scrolls VI ... ESO will be it, much like SW:TOR is KOTOR 3 |
| 09:58.34 | zenzio | yeah, somehow the "Sanguine Rose" guy was Sanguine. Now that's a bit awkward to have forgotten |
| 09:58.44 | Amarande | and isn't ES the last series that still provides a decent editor? :| |
| 09:59.04 | Amarande | now that the NWNs have mostly folded and been relegated to retro GoG fare |
| 09:59.34 | Neffi | Most of the Daedric princes/gods have their own plane of existence. These are collectively referred to as Oblivion, along with a few other planes unaligned with a god (eg Soul Cairn). Mundus and Sovngarde are also ARGUABLY planes of Oblivion, in the sense that "plane of Oblivion" means plane of existence, but many find it incorrect to call them that. |
| 09:59.39 | Amarande | seems like the computer based environment for folks with a creative vision but not the desire to be big businesses is dying out rapidly |
| 09:59.41 | Neffi | They feel Oblivion refers to the dark realms |
| 09:59.41 | zenzio | "Mehrunes Dagon is the Daedric Prince of Destruction". Close enough to "hell guy" |
| 09:59.48 | Amarande | and that we might as well go back to writing novels, or at most hypertext fiction |
| 10:00.12 | Amarande | thanks to the loss of single player RPGs in favour of online-only MMO type games |
| 10:00.14 | Neffi | Mundus = plane that contains Nirn/Tamriel |
| 10:00.22 | Neffi | Soul Cairn = plane where soul-trapped souls go |
| 10:00.28 | Neffi | Sovngarde = Valhalla |
| 10:00.39 | Amarande | hm. |
| 10:00.52 | Amarande | what RPGs still provide modding tools besides elder scrolls these days? |
| 10:00.55 | zenzio | my biggest fear for ES is ES:VI, where they introduce a long hidden continent inhabited by pandas |
| 10:00.57 | Amarande | I'm trying to think of any |
| 10:00.57 | Neffi | watch this |
| 10:00.58 | Neffi | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-chDClmdos |
| 10:01.04 | Neffi | these videos are fucking fantastic |
| 10:01.05 | Amarande | Torchlight II, I suppose, though even that is kind of niche |
| 10:01.06 | Neffi | the whole series |
| 10:01.17 | Neffi | Fallout |
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| 10:01.37 | Neffi | In fact here's a not-bad list http://www.nexusmods.com/ |
| 10:01.42 | Amarande | zenzio: I doubt there's going to *BE* an Elder Scrolls VI now |
| 10:01.46 | Neffi | Not sure if all mods are officially sanctioned, but I know Fallout mods are |
| 10:01.54 | Neffi | Amarande: There 100% will be |
| 10:01.55 | zenzio | Amarande: they pretty much said the series is not done |
| 10:01.59 | Amarande | well the usual trend of RPGs is that MMOs tend to cause the single player series to be dropped, or watered down to uselessness |
| 10:02.05 | Neffi | Elder Scrolls Online is a spinoff |
| 10:02.15 | Amarande | the existence of an ES6 may be even more fearful, depending on publisher whim :| |
| 10:02.23 | Neffi | Bethesda has confirmed this 100%. It's part of why they spawned off a sister company solely for ESO's development. |
| 10:02.31 | Neffi | The main game franchise will continue unburdened. |
| 10:02.34 | Amarande | ah |
| 10:02.46 | Amarande | yeah, the first thing I thought of was "oh gods, please not an Ultima IX again" |
| 10:03.01 | Amarande | of course that was EA |
| 10:03.03 | Neffi | They would lose nearly 100% of their fanbase if they stopped it with ESO |
| 10:03.09 | Amarande | of course, that always makes me kind of worried for DA3 |
| 10:03.21 | Neffi | In fact I would stage passive protest and refuse to play ESO or any further Bethesda games if they ended the main series |
| 10:03.21 | Amarande | since it seems BioWare is following pretty squarely in similar footsteps to Origin now :| |
| 10:03.50 | Amarande | I've actually head-scratched as to whether that's a reason why SW:TOR has so many technical screwups |
| 10:04.07 | Amarande | i.e., if there's someone at Bioware that remembers what happened to Origin and wants to sabotage the MMO so that Bioware can get its resources back for what made it great |
| 10:04.39 | Neffi | By the way, Bethesda trademarked "Redguard" a while back as a "game or game expansion". Rumor tells it was to be a Skyrim DLC. Further rumor tells it may turn into a game or be incorporated into a game. Either way there's already speculation about the next game. |
| 10:04.41 | Amarande | since that's what happened to Origin, UO was a resounding success so EA basically perma-allocated all its resources to the MMO and wouldn't let them have enough people to do a good job on the single player Ultimas |
| 10:05.13 | Amarande | Redguard as a trademark, that's an interesting one. I wonder how specific those TMs are |
| 10:05.35 | Amarande | like is Atlus now infringing if they resell SMT: Devil Summoner, since the zombie guys first introduce themselves as "Red Special Guards", say |
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| 10:06.23 | Amarande | for that matter how enforceable/how much scope name trademarks in gaming actually have |
| 10:07.05 | Amarande | i.e., are we actually going to have a future someday where we have to name all our games/characters weird shit that sounds like it came out of an H.P. Lovecraft story because all the reasonable stuff is TM'd somewhere heh |
| 10:07.28 | Neffi | Art isn't a new thing |
| 10:07.30 | Amarande | seeing that some companies do have this tendency to try to at least claim TM level trademarking on almost every name they use :P |
| 10:07.40 | Neffi | Creation's been ongoing for thousands of years |
| 10:07.42 | ZorbaGama | amarande, trademarks are very specific and not retroactive - Atlus definitely wouldn't be infringing |
| 10:07.44 | Amarande | like old TSR where it seemed like EVERY monster in the monster manual had "TM" after its name |
| 10:07.56 | Amarande | I'm surprised they didn't try "Orc(TM)" |
| 10:08.45 | Amarande | mind you, TSR was a ... special case |
| 10:09.01 | Amarande | remember that it was owned during its last pre-WotC years by a woman who actively wanted to see them fail :P |
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| 10:09.41 | Neffi | I love this Lore series |
| 10:10.18 | Amarande | as opposed to these days where WotC is just owned by a company that doesn't really *care* much about the RPG products |
| 10:10.29 | Amarande | and doesn't really quite understand what it is to manage an RPG property |
| 10:11.24 | Amarande | Neffi: creation's been ongoing for thousands of years, but only in the last 300 or so have intellectual property rights really been a factor |
| 10:11.40 | Amarande | almost 300 exactly I think (the Statute of Anne which was the progenitor of modern copyright, was 1712 IIRC) |
| 10:11.50 | Neffi | Yes but by and large creativity is inherently derivative |
| 10:11.56 | Neffi | IP didn't change that |
| 10:12.29 | Amarande | yeah, you can still make your bad fanfiction into a legally published work by mostly just changing names |
| 10:12.32 | Amarande | sadly |
| 10:12.41 | Neffi | I mean, maybe 2500 years ago people thought "where can we possibly go now with our religion? we've covered all the bases" and then later religions killed them and rebranded their traditions |
| 10:12.44 | Amarande | since exactly such a bad fanfic is far too popular nowadays :| |
| 10:12.49 | Amarande | (apparently that is how fifty shades of grey came to be :P) |
| 10:13.59 | Amarande | Basically, let's put it this way ... you want to read BDSM fiction, get Kushiel's Legacy or Gor ... forget Fifty Shades, I don't need to buy it to get the clue that it sucks, I'm not sure why so many people DID buy it :P |
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| 10:14.46 | Neffi | Many, many people bought Twilight |
| 10:14.51 | Neffi | are you sure you're not sure? |
| 10:15.00 | Amarande | heh, and people buy Justin Bieber albums in droves too |
| 10:15.04 | Amarande | I'm not sure how crap sells so well :S |
| 10:15.12 | Amarande | actually, maybe there *is* a reason crap sells so well |
| 10:15.25 | Amarande | it's because the modern market tends to favour putting minimum effort into the product so that you can save the money to use on marketing :| |
| 10:15.33 | Neffi | Bell curve |
| 10:15.43 | Neffi | the mean is low |
| 10:15.44 | Amarande | if you put your effort into the product instead well I have one word for you |
| 10:15.46 | Amarande | "Betamax" heh |
| 10:16.39 | Amarande | I guess that stuff serves a purpose, though |
| 10:16.47 | Amarande | it means those people aren't buying WoW as much, /2 is bad enough as it is :) |
| 10:17.45 | Amarande | incessant bieber chat would probably make even the anal [link] spam seem fun by comparison :| |
| 10:18.37 | ZorbaGama | VHS actually was a better product. it had four times the recording time on one cartridge and was cheaper to develop players |
| 10:18.57 | Amarande | Zorba: hm. Linux might be a better example, then |
| 10:19.32 | ZorbaGama | Linux is another good example in the wrong direction :P for most people, Windows is a better platform |
| 10:19.37 | Amarande | Linux has a generally far more robust kernel, a stronger security model (at least for those who aren't spending the time to learn all sorts of dithering around ACLs etc.), distros provide a much more robust set of system tools etc. |
| 10:19.43 | Amarande | basically, at the metal, Linux is a good bit better than Windows |
| 10:19.44 | ZorbaGama | it's easier to get working, tends to *stay* working, and supports far more of the programs they want to run |
| 10:19.57 | Amarande | but it doesn't deliver enough in terms of user level |
| 10:20.18 | ZorbaGama | yeah, it's better at the metal, but the metal just isn't important. what's important is whether it does what the consumer wants. it's not a matter of marketing, it's a matter of capability |
| 10:20.28 | Amarande | actually, I would say that in terms of "staying working" Linux is far superior |
| 10:20.44 | Amarande | Linux machines rarely have to be scrubbed and reinstalled because a random webpage ad delivered drive-by malware, for instance |
| 10:20.53 | ZorbaGama | in my experience Linux audio tends to die an ugly death |
| 10:20.54 | Amarande | or because the registry hive got corrupted |
| 10:21.12 | Amarande | (the corresponding thing on Linux is /etc, and typically if an /etc file gets corrupted, worst case scenario you boot a rescue disc and rebuild it) |
| 10:21.30 | ZorbaGama | you can reinstall windows the same way :P |
| 10:21.55 | Amarande | Linux machines also can be installed to current immediately, unlike Windows where if you have to reinstall you have to sit through every. single. incremental. bloody. update. since your disc came out |
| 10:22.20 | Amarande | if, say, libc.so.6 has had 20 updates since your distro came out? it downloads straight to the latest libc.so.6 |
| 10:22.29 | ZorbaGama | that's not really true. Ubuntu insists on upgrading one revision at a time |
| 10:22.32 | Amarande | if a similar Windows DLL has had 20 updates? you get to watch it update it 20 times |
| 10:22.40 | ZorbaGama | that means one reboot per 6 months it's been since your last update |
| 10:22.58 | Amarande | Zorba: does it? generally with APT you pull the latest repo index and upgrade straight to those versions |
| 10:23.13 | Amarande | actually that'd be more because every 6 months ubuntu switches to a new distro version, hence you're doing a dist-upgrade |
| 10:23.18 | Amarande | think more like say Debian |
| 10:23.23 | ZorbaGama | yeah, dist upgrade is what I'm thinking about |
| 10:23.48 | ZorbaGama | and I suspect ubuntu is *far* more common than Debian is among end-users :P |
| 10:24.02 | Amarande | or Mint, where each distro is supported for 18 months minimum |
| 10:24.04 | ZorbaGama | plus at that point we're not really talking "linux", we're talking "this specific linux distribution". |
| 10:24.24 | Fisker | windows is a specific windows distribution |
| 10:24.26 | Fisker | technically |
| 10:24.30 | Amarande | but that's the thing is that apt is CAPABLE of leapfrogging straight to the latest of each package |
| 10:24.40 | Amarande | whereas Windows has to upgrade everything one KBxxxxxx by one KBxxxxxx |
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| 10:24.53 | ZorbaGama | amarande, sure, and nothing in the core design of Windows prevents leapfrogging - they just haven't bothered implementing it because it turns out nobody cares |
| 10:25.06 | ZorbaGama | I'd wager that the majority of people fall into two categories - those who update often, and those who update never |
| 10:25.12 | Amarande | Zorba: users who have to reinstall and then wait through all the updates don't care? |
| 10:25.13 | ZorbaGama | and neither of those categories cares if it's possible to skip updates |
| 10:25.14 | Fisker | That's not technically true either Amarande |
| 10:25.25 | Amarande | or people who buy a version of Windows some time after launch, which is probably a fairly NORMAL case? |
| 10:25.37 | Amarande | how many average users upgrade windows at launch? they usually don't until they get a new PC |
| 10:25.55 | ZorbaGama | honestly, the way Windows works now, you just shut down once in a while and it updates for you - nobody really notices if it takes half a dozen shutdowns to finish updating, they just shut down when they feel like it anyway. |
| 10:26.18 | Amarande | Zorba: depends, till you get up in the morning and find that your update cycle is stalled because DO YOU ACCEPT THIS EULA UPDATE |
| 10:26.25 | ZorbaGama | (although it is kind of silly that there isn't a "keep updating until we're done" button) |
| 10:26.46 | Amarande | that could be argued as a superiority of Linux, too |
| 10:26.50 | ZorbaGama | amarande, I haven't seen one of those for literally two years on my media box, which is set to auto-update. I suspect those show up only for major things like IE updates and not for incremental patches. |
| 10:27.11 | Amarande | most Linux software installations are fire-and-forget, you don't have to stop to agree to the BSD licence or GPL every time |
| 10:28.06 | Amarande | Zorba: actually it used to be that every month when the Malicious Software Protection Tool came out (on 7, anyway ... on 8 that seems like it may have all been folded into Defender) you'd have to stop to accept the terms again |
| 10:28.25 | ZorbaGama | If so, then my media box hasn't been prompting me for that. :) |
| 10:28.41 | ZorbaGama | in any case, I think most of these issues are just things the common user doesn't care about |
| 10:29.19 | Amarande | yeah, the common user doesn't even really seem to care about malware unless it keeps them from looking at their cat pictures on facebook, sadly :| |
| 10:29.21 | ZorbaGama | you don't figure out product superiority by counting up bullet points, you figure it out by seeing how well it accomplishes things that the user wants. Overall, Windows did a better job of that for quite some time |
| 10:29.22 | Amarande | this is why malware is such a problem |
| 10:29.53 | ZorbaGama | I think things may be changing, but I think it's unclear if they're going to change towards Linux or if they're going to change towards tablets. The home PC may be on the way out. |
| 10:29.55 | Amarande | nowadays, for me at least the main stumbling blocks I get with Linux are Web video and gaming |
| 10:30.05 | Amarande | not all modern games work well on Wine |
| 10:30.18 | Amarande | and as for web video ... we're basically going out of the frying pan into the fire, at least in the USA :| |
| 10:30.49 | Amarande | the good thing is that Flash is starting to die out, although there's still plenty of sad lego icons when you don't have it :S |
| 10:31.11 | Amarande | the bad thing is that it looks that the main web standard is probably going to be H.264 thanks largely to Apple's influence |
| 10:31.30 | Amarande | (well, first iOS, and then the fact that mobile devices usually have hardware decoders for H.264 but not for WebM or Theora) |
| 10:31.37 | ZorbaGama | If Google finally gets around to unlocking NaCl outside of their closed ecosystem it might do some interesting stuff |
| 10:31.51 | Amarande | which is so badly patent encumbered that on Linux the only acceptable browser may soon be Chrome :S |
| 10:32.01 | Amarande | at least if you want full web UX |
| 10:32.34 | Amarande | man, poor Ogg ... they had a great vision, but they're probably going to fall into total irrelevancy really soon :( |
| 10:32.44 | Amarande | since Theora hasn't even seemed to catch on compared to even WebM let alone H.264 |
| 10:32.53 | Amarande | and Vorbis is going to go the way of the dodo around ... 2017, I think? |
| 10:33.34 | ZorbaGama | what's happening to vorbis? |
| 10:33.39 | Amarande | Zorba: MP3 patents expire |
| 10:33.44 | ZorbaGama | ah, nod |
| 10:33.52 | Amarande | at which point vorbis will probably pretty much end up ignored because mp3 has so much more support from programs/devices |
| 10:34.11 | airtonix | except in france |
| 10:34.12 | Amarande | whereas vorbis' main advantage technologically seems to be space economy to some degree, but space is cheap |
| 10:34.36 | airtonix | isn't vorbis libre? |
| 10:34.55 | Amarande | airtonix: yeah, but the point is mp3 will be also in basically almost all the world in a few years |
| 10:35.15 | airtonix | isn't mp3 crap compared to vorbis and flac? |
| 10:35.16 | Kalroth | it already is |
| 10:35.17 | Amarande | since unlike copyright that tends to get infinite extensions, patents die for good, even in the USA |
| 10:35.28 | Kalroth | ogg is supported by almost all music players too |
| 10:35.31 | ZorbaGama | airtonix, much smaller than flac, much better supported than vorbis |
| 10:36.00 | Amarande | yeah flac should be compared to wav rather than mp3 |
| 10:36.03 | airtonix | Kalroth: all android device support ogg? |
| 10:36.13 | Kalroth | airtonix: i dont know of any that doesn't |
| 10:36.32 | Amarande | windows support for ogg is kind of oggly though |
| 10:36.38 | airtonix | ogg just has a branding issue then |
| 10:36.47 | Amarande | the metro music app in 8 doesn't support vorbis files at all |
| 10:36.48 | airtonix | because windows is irrelevant |
| 10:36.51 | Kalroth | windows support for anything non-wma is kind of ugly |
| 10:37.05 | Amarande | and even in WMP and the like, even if you install the codecs, the metadata seems to work craptastically |
| 10:37.14 | Amarande | basically all it can figure is that the song has a title equivalent to the file name |
| 10:37.19 | Amarande | and often doesn't read any of the other info at all |
| 10:37.41 | Kalroth | that's the fault of the software though? |
| 10:37.43 | airtonix | most people use winamp on windows don't they ? |
| 10:37.48 | Amarande | Kalroth: mp3 and aac (non-drm aac, anyway) are supported pretty well |
| 10:37.55 | Kalroth | i dont know, i dont use media player or winamp |
| 10:38.02 | Amarande | airtonix: probably itunes and media player are most popular, actually |
| 10:38.05 | Amarande | maybe VLC |
| 10:38.09 | Kalroth | itunes on windows >< |
| 10:38.12 | airtonix | back when i was an exclusive windows user winamp is what everyone used |
| 10:38.20 | airtonix | and it had ogg support |
| 10:38.25 | Amarande | Kalroth: well if you get an iOS device you basically have to have itunes anyway |
| 10:38.32 | Kalroth | sure |
| 10:38.42 | Kalroth | it doesn't make it less shitty |
| 10:38.50 | airtonix | anything apple is shitty |
| 10:38.51 | karl_w_w | people dont use vlc for audio |
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| 10:38.59 | Amarande | also itunes was for a long time one of the few ways to rip your CDs to MP3 for free |
| 10:39.07 | karl_w_w | they use vlc for watching video in slightly less quality than the file they are playing |
| 10:39.18 | Amarande | probably thanks to the patent licencing costs, almost every other mp3 encoder was at best "shareware, $20+ registration" |
| 10:39.51 | Kalroth | besides, daala will kill h.264 and h.265! |
| 10:40.03 | Amarande | I can't remember if you can do it via media player now or not, I seem to remember there's some sort of native facility in windows lately though but not sure how you use it :S |
| 10:40.29 | karl_w_w | lol when was itunes ever the only way to rip to mp3 for free |
| 10:41.02 | Amarande | karl: apart from illegal encoders that were increasingly hard to find after Fraunhofer started cracking down, and stuff where you had 30 days to use it before you had to pay $20, $40 etc. |
| 10:41.10 | Kalroth | yeah, cdex is only 10 years old and perfectly legal |
| 10:41.47 | Amarande | heh. I wonder if Germany's economy is going to feel it once Fraunhofer's patents run out in the US |
| 10:42.00 | Amarande | given how popular MP3 is |
| 10:42.02 | Kalroth | they'll just mickey mouse them |
| 10:42.11 | Amarande | Kalroth: that only happens with copyright, not patents |
| 10:42.23 | Amarande | I think they've only ever extended patent durations once, and I'm not sure it was retroactive at the time |
| 10:42.30 | Amarande | (used to be 17 years, at some point it became 20) |
| 10:42.43 | Amarande | it's been pretty much a universal bedrock principle of patents that you can't renew them, they die for good |
| 10:43.13 | Amarande | it's because that's the whole idea of the patent system, it's to get inventors to contribute to the pool of known technology by giving them a temporary period to control it |
| 10:43.47 | Amarande | also there's doubtless plenty of sentiment that patents are pretty much mickey mouse as it is |
| 10:44.07 | Amarande | (mainly because in today's days of technological evolution, even 20 years is aeons) |
| 10:45.34 | Amarande | well, a few things are still useful 20 years from inception, especially perhaps in the gaming world. I expect a lot of Final Fantasy clones to crop up soon, in particular |
| 10:45.44 | Amarande | and I think it's only a couple years before we can have loading screen minigames on non-Namco titles again |
| 11:00.08 | airtonix | truck simulator time? |
| 11:01.04 | Amarande | airtonix: hah, that might be an untapped market still |
| 11:01.13 | Amarande | I'm trying to think of any games that simulated trucks as a major feature |
| 11:01.20 | Amarande | besides of course Big Rigs Over the Road Racing, which doesn't really count :) |
| 11:01.47 | airtonix | Amarande: http://www.webupd8.org/2013/04/euro-truck-simulator-2-game-for-linux.html |
| 11:01.49 | Fisker | just imagine if they could patent having a terrible game |
| 11:02.08 | Amarande | Fisker: that probably wouldn't be a usable patent, though |
| 11:02.18 | Fisker | It would be the only reason to keep the patent system alive |
| 11:02.27 | airtonix | sell the patent under a lisence agreement to activision |
| 11:02.28 | Amarande | what would you go by? pretty much every major publisher game nowadays gets at least a 7 or 8 from professional reviewers thanks to ad collusion :P |
| 11:03.21 | Fisker | metacritic user reviews |
| 11:03.22 | Fisker | >:D |
| 11:03.58 | airtonix | forum rules: no 1st posts. solution: avatar is an image of the phrase "1st" |
| 11:06.35 | Sintacks | http://i.imgur.com/hl2S5Sd.jpg |
| 11:07.04 | Amarande | airtonix: hah |
| 11:07.13 | Amarande | now if you really want to be mean, word the "no 1st posts" thing just so |
| 11:07.32 | Amarande | then watch the users squirm as they try to figure out how to start a thread without it having someone post first! :) |
| 11:07.34 | airtonix | maximum troll |
| 11:07.48 | Amarande | like ... put it "you may not make the first post in any thread" |
| 11:07.55 | airtonix | the avatar is for the forum admin |
| 11:10.22 | karl_w_w | on the plus side, euro truck sim 2 is amazing |
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| 11:15.41 | Amarande | hah, apparently I just rerolled on this other server because I have friends there |
| 11:15.51 | Amarande | ... and it looks like it's actually CRZ'd with the server I used to play on last time I was on wow :) |
| 11:28.54 | Amarande | aright wtf. is this a bug with 5.4 or are there major well-known addons these days that are known to crash wow since 5.4? |
| 11:29.01 | Amarande | this is the second time the game has gone unresponsive on me this morning. |
| 11:29.35 | Amarande | and I know I won't get any help from blizz unless I delete my whole damn UI and redo it from scratch after going through their problem determination BS |
| 11:29.48 | Amarande | so I'd probably more likely get info here where folks actually know more about addons :) |
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| 11:51.44 | Amarande | or bleh, 5.4.0 may just be buggy, it hasn't crashed since I restarted it again, hopefully it doesn't keep doing so |
| 11:51.54 | Amarande | there seem to be an awful lot of "the game froze" reports since patch |
| 11:54.00 | Neffi | This is right about what I want Archery to be. Feedback? http://pastebin.com/nSY96GKe |
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| 11:54.27 | Neffi | as you can see layout and skill req are no longer TBD |
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| 13:03.52 | Neffi | What's a word that roughly means to make use of your environemtn |
| 13:04.08 | Neffi | Or alternatively, a word that means to think on your feet / think quickly |
| 13:08.32 | Semlar | astute |
| 13:09.26 | Semlar | savvy |
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| 13:21.04 | stuf | Ama|work: not sure about the game freezing bug, in regards of what's doing it, but it's been happening to me as well - mostly just in raids - and usually mid-encounter. |
| 13:22.14 | Neffi | Does this sound OP? "Nocturnal's Pact: While sneaking, you regenerate health, stamina and magicka twice as fast. Additionally, an attack which would otherwise kill you will instead heal you for an equal amount (no more than 20% of your health), once per day." |
| 13:24.49 | Thunder_Child | More like unrealistic |
| 13:25.10 | karl_w_w | mother fucker |
| 13:25.24 | Neffi | Nocturnal is a damn Daedra |
| 13:25.26 | karl_w_w | im way ahead of him about to win and he top decks bloodlust |
| 13:25.28 | Neffi | She can do that shit |
| 13:31.16 | airtonix | Ama|work: there is a very simple fix for those bugs |
| 13:31.28 | airtonix | it's worked for me during the last three years |
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| 14:13.26 | Lopeppeppy | Dance dance dance! The sun is up. |
| 14:15.08 | alestane | It is, at that. |
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| 14:26.07 | karl_w_w | the sun being up is usually a sign that I stayed awake too late |
| 14:26.21 | zenzio | don't be silly |
| 14:26.29 | zenzio | the sun rises in the evening in Aussieland |
| 14:27.23 | Fisker | sundances |
| 14:27.59 | Lopeppeppy | Poor vampires must be so confused down there in Upside Down Land. |
| 14:28.12 | Semlar | they're used to being down under |
| 14:28.44 | Fisker | I hate vampires Lopeppeppy |
| 14:29.05 | Lopeppeppy | They aren't very fond of the living either, fiskerdin. |
| 14:29.33 | Fisker | :o |
| 14:33.07 | Fisker | hugs Lopeppeppy and runs off |
| 14:34.28 | Lopeppeppy | Peppy is scary! |
| 14:35.01 | rid_ | hug & run Fisker |
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| 14:35.51 | Fisker | scary awesome maybe Lopeppeppy |
| 14:36.33 | Fisker | hugs rid_ too |
| 14:37.14 | karl_w_w | no zenzio, EVERYTHING is opposite here |
| 14:37.22 | karl_w_w | so relatively it's all the same |
| 14:37.35 | karl_w_w | the sun rises in the evening but the evening is the morning |
| 14:37.38 | Lopeppeppy | Awwww. |
| 14:37.40 | Lopeppeppy | blushes |
| 14:38.11 | karl_w_w | the sun is the moon, but rises is sets |
| 14:41.46 | Ackis | pokemon x/y this saturday SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |
| 14:47.24 | Arrowmaster | .... |
| 14:48.52 | Ackis | not a pokefan Arrowmaster? |
| 14:49.51 | Arrowmaster | not really but your just too excited |
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| 14:50.38 | Ackis | it's the first one on the 3DS, I'm excited for what they're going to do with the new tech |
| 14:51.16 | Semlar | probably something involving capturing small animals and forcing them to fight each other |
| 14:51.43 | Arrowmaster | i do that in the back yard |
| 14:57.53 | Unkle | http://xkcd.com/1275/ |
| 15:02.39 | Neffi | .. |
| 15:02.39 | Neffi | lol? |
| 15:04.26 | Unkle | There was a moment of anger, then a delay lol. |
| 15:04.39 | Unkle | /s/delay/delayed |
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| 15:08.23 | airtonix | why is 3 cursed? |
| 15:08.35 | airtonix | it is the holy number of valve |
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| 15:33.46 | Neffi | If anyone's interested in my SK overhaul, http://pastebin.com/aEXzDK52 |
| 15:33.55 | Neffi | Pretty significant additions since I mentioned it last |
| 15:34.01 | Neffi | Still less than 5% done |
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| 15:36.37 | Ackis | is "the ISO 31000: 2009 – Risk Management standard" redundant? (the standard at the end?) |
| 15:37.02 | TC-Work | Depends on how it is being used. |
| 15:37.53 | Fisker | I'd say no |
| 15:37.59 | Ackis | This document will incorporate ISO blah blah blah. |
| 15:38.15 | TC-Work | If that is how all 'Risk Managment '<x>' are being done then now. |
| 15:38.36 | TC-Work | then no* |
| 15:38.48 | TC-Work | I really need to pay attention to one thing at a time. |
| 15:38.58 | Ackis | lol |
| 15:42.06 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M1Elm6PgDE lol that intro |
| 15:44.47 | Lopeppeppy | TC, that is the key to all successful relationships. |
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| 15:47.29 | TC-Work | Lopeppeppy: Within reason. I focus to such a degree I can be oblivious to people talking to me, |
| 15:48.05 | TC-Work | s/,/./ |
| 15:48.25 | Lopeppeppy | I wasn't referring to when people would be *talking*, TC. *weg* |
| 15:49.40 | TC-Work | It didn't even occur to me that is what you were talking about, because it makes no sense. Then I remembered humanity. |
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| 15:57.14 | Lopeppeppy | Or you remembered naughty channel elves. |
| 16:05.03 | Fisker | O_o |
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| 16:25.39 | Unkle | Humanity - in short supply. |
| 16:25.50 | Unkle | Especially amongst humans. |
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| 16:55.13 | Fisker | stop trying to scam me Ackis |
| 16:55.40 | TC-Work | Let him scam you. |
| 16:55.52 | Fisker | I did :( |
| 16:55.58 | TC-Work | Same |
| 17:01.26 | Ackis | Fisker: ilu |
| 17:01.29 | Ackis | TC-Work: ilu2 |
| 17:01.33 | Fisker | 1you should |
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| 17:15.54 | Fisker | hey cogwheel one |
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| 17:24.05 | Ackis | I remember the day when I didn't like html e-mail messages, now I loves them |
| 17:25.24 | Arrowmaster | i still dont like them but since i use gmail i dont fret over trusting them as much |
| 17:28.25 | Ackis | Makes life easier when dealing with non-tech people in the office... I can format long hyperlinks into something easy for them to read, embed images and whatnot |
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| 17:51.54 | TC-phone | Weee, power is out in the whole building |
| 17:53.53 | Fisker | :( TC-phone |
| 17:55.30 | Arrowmaster | damnit im having trouble finding a suitable car in gta5 for the final heist |
| 17:55.45 | Arrowmaster | driving all over LS and all i see is SUVs and 2seaters |
| 17:55.48 | Fisker | PC |
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| 18:30.29 | Arrowmaster | i think i just broke the final heist in gta5 |
| 18:30.39 | Arrowmaster | im sitting where i hid my car and the cops arent finding me |
| 18:35.58 | Arrowmaster | 41.6 mil now thats a haul |
| 18:40.48 | nicoli_s | i need to get back to playing, just finished my first heist |
| 18:40.59 | nicoli_s | tried the online yet? im wondering if its any good |
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| 20:13.25 | Hazal | Hey guys does any of you know how I would do the routing in an ad-hoc/mesh network? |
| 20:22.37 | Mr_Rabies | hmmm is there anything that makes managing void storage and the gbank easier? adds quality highlights/ilvls/etc to the icons? |
| 20:22.44 | Mr_Rabies | adibags does that but only to the inventory |
| 20:24.25 | Hazal | Can't name any off the top of my head but I bet there are some :) |
| 20:24.44 | Mr_Rabies | seems that oGlow does effect the gbank/etc |
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| 20:40.30 | Amarande | hrm. sooo ... |
| 20:40.44 | Amarande | Will the new blizzard launcher thing interfere with previously true functionality of WoW once it becomes required? |
| 20:41.04 | Amarande | in particular, atm you can back up your WoW folder easily just by copying it to backup media, and then copy it back if need be |
| 20:41.25 | Amarande | will you still be able to do that with the Desktop App, or will you actually have to go through the rigamarole of redownloading the 20GB any time you need to replace WoW on your PC? |
| 20:41.39 | Hazal | No idea to be honest. I'm using the App and it just launches from the WoW directory |
| 20:41.45 | Stanzilla | no it wont |
| 20:42.02 | Amarande | I rather wish all MMOs worked that way, too |
| 20:42.13 | Amarande | I'm not 100% sure if SW:TOR works that way, and sadly LOTRO cannot be backed up like that :( |
| 20:42.18 | Mr_Rabies | to download the new app was only a few MB for me and then it was just like "okay, here's where you installed wow, sc2, and D3" |
| 20:43.00 | Amarande | yeah, that's what I mean ... will the launcher break if you, say, reinstall Windows or set up a new rig and then try to copy an existing WoW install in, because WoW wasn't *installed* as such? |
| 20:43.04 | Mr_Rabies | "lemme go ahead and update all 3" |
| 20:43.10 | Stanzilla | I already said no |
| 20:43.16 | Mr_Rabies | doubtful, since my current one was never "installed" |
| 20:43.16 | bleeter | https://twitter.com/vanderaanet/status/387929990953586688 |
| 20:43.25 | Mr_Rabies | i just copied my old wow folder from my old pc |
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| 20:43.45 | Mr_Rabies | but that was with the old (though newer) streaming launcher |
| 20:43.47 | Ressy | Amarande: You toss up WoW, install BDA, and then point BDA's options to where your WoW installation is located |
| 20:43.56 | Mr_Rabies | and i think you can directly tell it where wow is located |
| 20:43.56 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 20:44.03 | Mr_Rabies | if it doesn't automatically find it |
| 20:44.06 | Ressy | yup |
| 20:44.15 | Hazal | That's quite cool bleeter |
| 20:44.23 | Amarande | yeah, applications seem to be really good at finding data files lately |
| 20:44.25 | Amarande | almost too good, heh |
| 20:44.40 | Amarande | like when I unpacked zdoom it immediately found my IWADs, even though they were buried in my steam folder |
| 20:45.24 | Hazal | Don't the just check for the path defined in the registry or otherwise the most common file paths? |
| 20:45.31 | Hazal | *they |
| 20:45.51 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 20:46.29 | Amarande | actually, with LOTRO it's not so much that you aren't able to back it up like that |
| 20:46.48 | Amarande | It's more the fact that it needs .NET 1.1 and about the ONLY way to force that to get installed on Win8 anymore is via the LOTRO installer ... |
| 21:04.23 | Amarande | strangeness: when a character's minion's name appears, but the character appears as "unknown", LOL |
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| 22:18.59 | Cairenn | https://github.com/WhiteHouse/fortyfour/issues/3 |
| 22:19.08 | Cairenn | BUG: Government occasionally shuts down |
| 22:19.44 | Amarande | Cairenn: http://www.leasticoulddo.com/comic/20131009/ |
| 22:20.12 | Cairenn | lol |
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| 22:28.30 | TC-Work | 5 hour power outage. blech. |
| 22:29.01 | Torhal | I blame Amarande. |
| 22:29.10 | Amarande | :p |
| 22:29.15 | Torhal | :D |
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| 22:38.02 | TC-Work | Blames Torhal |
| 22:38.46 | Torhal | So it's decided: TC-Work gnawed through a cable at the junction box. |
| 22:39.33 | TC-Work | Torhal: Actually a transformer blew due to the rain and ~2,000 people had no power |
| 22:39.42 | Torhal | Ick |
| 22:40.43 | Amarande | they really need to make sure they're using Autobots and not Decepticons to run the power grid :| |
| 22:41.59 | Amarande | hrm |
| 22:42.14 | Amarande | apparently meta gem stats do not display correctly on tooltips in the AH if you're looking at them on a low level toon |
| 22:42.57 | Amarande | burning primal diamond, say, claims to give like ... +8 int LOL |
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| 23:06.03 | Semlar-Laptop | Amarande: that's because everything scales with level now |
| 23:12.37 | pompy1 | https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/s403x403/1384139_10151666778772765_691423305_n.jpg haha true |
| 23:17.58 | pompy1 | the server group meetups at blizzcon are being handled a lil differently this year http://us.battle.net/blizzcon/en/forum/topic/10196089556 |
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| 23:22.50 | nebula169 | i missed the last blizzcon, but the two before that was similar to this, just an area set aside tables labels for the realm with different realm groups meeting at different times |
| 23:23.17 | fewyn | this blizzcon will be fun |
| 23:23.27 | nebula169 | s/tables labels/with tables labeled/ |
| 23:23.50 | TC-Work | One year it was on the main floor. Then it was moved to a side room. |
| 23:23.56 | nebula169 | ah |
| 23:24.38 | nebula169 | kind of neat they're doing custom group meetups |
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| 23:44.07 | Amarande | heh, I'm guessing the meetup for the groups including Illidan and Tich regularly has to close with a line locked out |
| 23:44.47 | Amarande | mind you, WoW stuff at cons in general tends to fill up fast |
| 23:45.18 | Amarande | I remember getting to the WoW trivia event at Dragon Con last year and finding that there was like, one spot left at any of the tables by the time I got there |
