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| 00:01.31 | Semlar | SetHyperlink won't work if the item hasn't been cached yet |
| 00:01.42 | foxlit | yes yes, boring. |
| 00:02.04 | Semlar | boring, but probably important |
| 00:02.30 | Semlar | since the item won't be cached until you've tried to set its tooltip |
| 00:02.52 | Semlar | it's going to be annoying to handle |
| 00:03.18 | foxlit | nah, just check if getiteminfo returns nonsense. |
| 00:03.44 | Semlar | it won't work |
| 00:03.55 | Semlar | unless you're calling it onupdate or something |
| 00:04.32 | foxlit | ... if it returns nonsense, you wait until GET_ITEM_INFO_RECEIVED, and ask again then. |
| 00:04.32 | Semlar | you have to request the item information then wait until it actually returns it |
| 00:05.58 | foxlit | in either case, it's something that you'd have to handle elsewhere. There's no sane way these functions can stall on your behalf. |
| 00:06.09 | Iriel | And by 'wait', it's actually 'release control and check back later' |
| 00:07.54 | Hazal | About the CL Grivvel I'm only doing it to figure out which abilities the enemy pet has. When it has to do with Auras, both debuffs and buff have the same message so I can't know if it was a "selfcast" buff on the enemy or if I cast a debuff on the enemy. But I'll try out looking into which auras the pets have each turn :) |
| 00:08.13 | foxlit | but the failure behavior should mostly be sane -- everything should basically return nils. |
| 00:12.33 | foxlit | http://pastebin.com/GHkXfwqy << there. If it returns false, ask again after GET_ITEM_INFO_RECEIVED or a while. |
| 00:12.33 | Haakkon | Do you have to parse to get the ilvl of an item? |
| 00:12.38 | Haakkon | or is there a function I'm missing |
| 00:13.14 | Hazal | You guys and your sockets and item levels :P |
| 00:14.16 | foxlit | Haakkon: stealing it from the tooltip seemed easiest. There doesn't seem to be an explicit function outside of the upgrade ui |
| 00:14.33 | Haakkon | so strange |
| 00:14.34 | foxlit | You could maintain an upgradeID -> itemLevel map, but that's a dictionary. |
| 00:14.57 | Haakkon | well don't know the base item level anyway so there would need to be another dictionary |
| 00:15.11 | foxlit | GetItemInfo will tell you the base |
| 00:15.14 | Haakkon | tooltip seems best |
| 00:15.17 | foxlit | I hope? |
| 00:19.25 | Haakkon | Nah doesn't have ilvl |
| 00:19.34 | foxlit | 4th return. |
| 00:20.30 | Haakkon | Oh whoops I guess I was thinking of the itemstring |
| 00:23.23 | Gnarfoz | yay, booked another hotel for BlizzCon |
| 00:23.40 | Haakkon | another? |
| 00:23.52 | Gnarfoz | (I wonder if I'll ever see one of those $$$ for the first reservation again) |
| 00:24.03 | Hazal | :| I hope you will |
| 00:24.24 | Gnarfoz | Haakkon: company we originally booked with filed for (what amounts to) chapter 11 in August |
| 00:24.37 | Haakkon | Ah jeeze, that sucks |
| 00:24.45 | Gnarfoz | their U.S. (and other) partners cancelled all bookings to get dat money |
| 00:26.20 | Gnarfoz | and it now turns out I was *too* quick to react: I called the Anaheim Marriott to make sure our reservation was still good, and it was, even put a notice about the whole shenaningans on the reservation |
| 00:26.35 | Gnarfoz | reservation was cancelled the monday after >_> |
| 00:26.48 | Hazal | http://pastebin.com/LNYcFKQe when I would return true the for loop would break right? |
| 00:27.01 | foxlit | yes |
| 00:27.05 | Gnarfoz | anyway, now we'll have a short walk between hotel & convention center |
| 00:27.25 | Gnarfoz | (and -$600 |
| 00:28.06 | foxlit | Hazal: I suppose the more accurate way to put that is that when you return true, no further code from that function will execute |
| 00:28.33 | foxlit | no more for loop iterations, and none of anything that follows it. |
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| 00:28.43 | Hazal | Yes that was what I meant. :) thanks for clearing it up. I was pretty sure it was like that but I wanted to check with the experts |
| 00:29.01 | Thunder_Child | Then why ask in here :p |
| 00:29.21 | foxlit | for the lack of anything better, presumably. |
| 00:29.36 | Hazal | Where would you ask instead then Thunder_Chilld? |
| 00:30.06 | Hazal | I feel like people collective knowledge in here is beyond expert level |
| 00:31.13 | Thunder_Child | I was a joke, I just like to hang around and insult people. Don't mind me |
| 00:31.24 | Thunder_Child | It was* |
| 00:36.56 | jleclanche | https://mediacru.sh/bxDmtkd-WhUK is it creepy having those two kids looking. |
| 00:38.28 | Hazal | I still think it's weird that blizzard has added children as a "companion". |
| 00:44.52 | Hazal | Doesn't this look a bit excessive? |
| 00:44.53 | Hazal | http://i.imgur.com/8OJ109G.png |
| 00:46.00 | Iriel | It's non-ideal but not necessarily bad |
| 00:46.37 | Hazal | I'm gonna see if it happens when I have all my addons disabled. |
| 00:48.15 | Hazal | Nah, it's some part of my UI, not sure which part :) |
| 00:48.34 | Neffi__ | Hazal: If you want to stop a loop without returning use break |
| 00:48.50 | Neffi__ | you can still return after the loop, but it allows you execute more code within the function |
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| 00:58.57 | Hazal | Question: is there any predictable pattern in what pet battle ability activates which buff? For example: using Curse of Doom (http://www.wowhead.com/petability=218) will put Curse of Doom on the pet (http://www.wowhead.com/petability=217) |
| 00:59.00 | fewyn | any video card suggestions? needs to be able to drive 3 monitors |
| 00:59.33 | Mr_Rabies | get a voodoo3 |
| 00:59.39 | Mr_Rabies | play the shit out of some tribes in glide |
| 01:00.35 | Thunder_Child | Nvidia's 600 and 700 series can handle 3+1 monitors |
| 01:00.37 | fewyn | slaps Mr_Rabies around a bit with a small Imperial-Class Stardestroyer |
| 01:01.16 | Hazal | Would I just have to try and compare the name of the buff with the name of the ability? But I don't think all buffs are named the same as their ability's name. |
| 01:01.25 | kd3|hate`net | my 660ti works fine. 2dvi + 1 hdmi |
| 01:03.22 | Gnarfoz | any rental car company suggestions for LAX? |
| 01:03.31 | Gnarfoz | or rather, recommendations |
| 01:03.46 | kd3 | this'll be my... 6th? blizzcon. I haven't rented a car once. just a supershuttle to/from the airport |
| 01:03.51 | kd3 | everything else is walking distance |
| 01:04.00 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 01:04.44 | Neffi | fewyn, that's pretty vague. What kind of graphics/games does it need to drive? What resolution? Multi-monitor gaming, or just secondary monitors? Ultra settings in recent games or are mid settings fine? Budget? |
| 01:05.24 | fewyn | usually running multiple copies of wow or eve or whatever my flavor of the month is |
| 01:05.52 | fewyn | i dont use eyefinity or anything like that |
| 01:05.56 | Neffi | That's hard to say then. WoW's requirements can vary depending on the size of the fight. I have no idea about Eve. And do you play more graphically intense games? |
| 01:06.12 | fewyn | i play new games as they come out |
| 01:06.17 | fewyn | typically mmos |
| 01:06.19 | Neffi | A mid-range recent card should max WoW without a sweat. Like the 660 already recommended |
| 01:06.29 | fewyn | stuff like bioshock etc |
| 01:06.52 | Neffi | If you want to be able to max new games, it's worth going towards the higher end |
| 01:07.12 | Neffi | But a mid-range should still suffice if ultra settings isn't necessary |
| 01:07.57 | Hazal | I'll see if it works with checking the names of the abilities. And about the graphics cards, I suggest you get a decent/good graphics card if you want to play new mmos when they come out. (I think) |
| 01:09.38 | Gnarfoz | kd3: we're staying until the 21st, it's a holiday :) |
| 01:09.49 | Gnarfoz | not just LA, either ^^ |
| 01:09.56 | kd3 | ah, well, then, whoever you can get a deal on |
| 01:10.16 | Gnarfoz | ok, each as bad as the next, then ^^ |
| 01:14.04 | Neffi | wait wtf |
| 01:14.21 | Neffi | Ulfric Stormcloak was a Thalmore asset? I didn't see that come up in the game |
| 01:14.42 | Neffi | I knew he was a bigoted asshole, but that adds a whole new side to the civil war |
| 01:24.49 | Semlar | can an item have a prismatic socket that you didn't put there |
| 01:25.21 | Neffi | I'm quite sure I've seen a Prismatic socket on an item, yes |
| 01:25.34 | Semlar | i think they used to be on relics |
| 01:25.39 | Neffi | I believe the old ranged-slot things used to have them |
| 01:25.55 | Semlar | i don't know if anything can have them any more |
| 01:26.34 | Neffi | Wowhead's "has sockets" filter doesn't include Prismatic |
| 01:26.43 | kd3 | I wanna say no now... we only get prismatics from belt slots and the legendary gem |
| 01:26.52 | Neffi | which could be an oversight. If it's for code, don't automatically discredit that Prismatic sockets can exist in the wild |
| 01:27.03 | Semlar | and blacksmithing |
| 01:27.26 | Neffi | We might not have them on any items now, but you there might still be a legacy item or two with them, and we may get them in the future |
| 01:27.32 | Haakkon | wowdb has no prismatic option either |
| 01:28.31 | Neffi | You could always ask in #wowhead and ask if they used to have the option and intentionally removed it |
| 01:35.04 | Fisker | hugs Cairenn |
| 01:35.18 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
| 01:35.33 | Fisker | thanks |
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| 02:02.29 | Haakkon | Hmm… I think it's done for now |
| 02:02.51 | Haakkon | Other than unforeseen bugs of course |
| 02:04.30 | p3lim | Can anyone get Galakras' EJ id for me? |
| 02:05.31 | p3lim | E.g open EJ, select SoO and do this: /dump EJ_GetEncounterInfoByIndex(5) |
| 02:10.49 | Semlar | well it's either 868 or 8416 |
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| 02:21.29 | Semlar | is item level ever not the second item in the tooltip |
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| 02:22.01 | kd3|hate`net | non-equippable items don't display the item level |
| 02:22.08 | Semlar | ah it gets pushed down when the item is heroic or something |
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| 02:22.29 | kd3 | also, yah. tags |
| 02:48.09 | Haakkon | sorry I'm retarded Torhal, should be better now |
| 02:56.46 | Semlar | Primer: http://i.imgur.com/8GkMWGz.jpg |
| 02:58.37 | Haakkon | is the trailing nil and empty socket or no socket? |
| 02:58.49 | Semlar | no gems |
| 02:59.17 | Semlar | return name, enchant, ilevel, upgrades, gems |
| 03:00.23 | Semlar | the function only scrapes the tooltip |
| 03:00.48 | Haakkon | You can get empty sockets from the tooltip |
| 03:00.55 | Semlar | it gets sockets |
| 03:01.06 | Semlar | i just don't have any empty sockets |
| 03:01.46 | Haakkon | Oh oh I thought you were saying they wouldn't be reported |
| 03:02.23 | Semlar | it loops through all of the gems and sockets and merges the textures into a string |
| 03:03.05 | Semlar | i thought about it and i don't really feel like being able to hover over the gem to get its tooltip is all that useful |
| 03:03.19 | Semlar | i mean, this is being displayed right next to the item |
| 03:03.34 | Semlar | if you wanted the tooltip you could just hover over that |
| 03:05.07 | Semlar | the only thing is if you wanted the name of the gem for some reason |
| 03:09.30 | Semlar | although you can't get the socket color by doing this so it might still be a good idea to use the gem functions |
| 03:19.10 | Haakkon | You can semlar, you just use your function on the base item id as well |
| 03:19.43 | Semlar | you're right |
| 03:19.55 | Semlar | and i'm doing that anyway so i might as well get the colors while i'm at it |
| 03:26.41 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/x1SaE6G.jpg |
| 03:27.45 | Semlar | it's going to have to assume you've added sockets if the number of gems is greater than the original |
| 03:30.41 | Semlar | i'm also not sure if the "show simplified tooltips" cvar is going to mess with this |
| 03:36.32 | Semlar | i'm going to assume not |
| 04:07.40 | Torhal | Haakkon: Approved |
| 04:07.49 | Haakkon | Thanks man |
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| 05:19.11 | airtonix | http://matadornetwork.com/abroad/10-extraordinarily-useful-japanese-phrases-for-travelers/ |
| 05:20.36 | airtonix | When in Southeast Asia, I especially enjoy muttering in Japanese about crapping my pants while walking past Japanese tourists. The reactions are priceless. |
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| 05:33.34 | Mr_Rabies | i have steampunk beer, your argument is invalid |
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| 06:59.59 | karl_w_w | http://xaxor.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Your-argument-is-invalid-memes25.jpg I sure hope that thing is real |
| 07:08.07 | Mr_Rabies | looks like he just tied a thin rope to the strap mount points |
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| 07:14.18 | Dagmar | Points for imagination, tho'. |
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| 08:30.50 | Neffi | habloo |
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| 10:27.39 | zenzio | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BV7IclgCQAAUUmm.jpg:large |
| 10:29.58 | Sintacks | moo |
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| 11:39.47 | Neffi | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:40.07 | Kalroth | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:40.13 | Neffi | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:41.09 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/Vy2VzDt.jpg oh yeah that is beautiful |
| 11:41.27 | Neffi | my eyes |
| 11:42.39 | Semlar | well i'm clearly finished |
| 11:42.48 | Neffi | lol @ CitizenSnips |
| 11:42.55 | Semlar | >_> |
| 11:43.04 | Semlar | CITIZEN SNIIIIIIIIIIIPS! |
| 11:43.07 | Neffi | <-< |
| 11:43.20 | Neffi | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:43.52 | Neffi | on screen keyboard sucks =( |
| 11:43.58 | Semlar | yes it does |
| 11:44.16 | Semlar | alright i'm not sure the in game character sheet is quite big enough for this |
| 11:45.25 | Neffi | scroll frame hovering over char portrait |
| 11:50.11 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/C3xJ2.jpg |
| 11:51.58 | Semlar | from the creators of the international best-seller why cats paint |
| 11:52.40 | Neffi | i'd read it |
| 12:02.53 | Semlar | so what does it take to be a best seller |
| 12:04.39 | Neffi | 1st grade grammar? |
| 12:05.09 | Neffi | other than that it appears to be arbitrary |
| 12:05.18 | airtonix | no Semlar |
| 12:05.24 | airtonix | good blowjobs |
| 12:05.38 | jleclanche | bah google |
| 12:05.38 | airtonix | you need goo hair |
| 12:05.42 | jleclanche | cant google 245246644900278211976517663573088018467026787678332759743414451715061600830038587216952208399332071549103626827191679864079776723243005600592035631246561218465817904100131859299619933817012149335034875870551067 |
| 12:05.55 | airtonix | why would you want to google my IQ ? |
| 12:05.58 | jleclanche | that alone makes it feel like the number doesnt exist |
| 12:06.17 | Semlar | if there weren't any results how could it |
| 12:06.43 | airtonix | wouldn't it be funny if the google search engines were converting that to a number |
| 12:07.13 | airtonix | surely they wouldn't do that |
| 12:07.27 | airtonix | but my spinner is still spinning |
| 12:08.19 | Semlar | just don't break google because then where would we be |
| 12:08.37 | Semlar | that's right, we'd have to use bing |
| 12:09.02 | airtonix | what's bing? |
| 12:09.12 | airtonix | is that bingo as a server? |
| 12:09.18 | airtonix | service* |
| 12:09.20 | Semlar | it's like google except spelled differently |
| 12:09.32 | karl_w_w | lol critters are immune to death grip |
| 12:09.33 | karl_w_w | wat |
| 12:09.42 | Semlar | do you even lift |
| 12:09.43 | airtonix | sorry did you say it's a bingo subscription service? |
| 12:09.52 | Semlar | that's what i said |
| 12:10.06 | airtonix | The server at 245246644900278211976517663573088018467026787678332759743414451715061600830038587216952208399332071549103626827191679864079776723243005600592035631246561218465817904100131859299619933817012149335034875870551067 is taking too long to respond. |
| 12:10.10 | airtonix | lol |
| 12:10.18 | airtonix | yay firefox |
| 12:10.42 | Semlar | that is not an ip address |
| 12:11.13 | airtonix | epiphany is smarter: "245246644900278211976517663573088018467026787678332759743414451715061600830038587216952208399332071549103626827191679864079776723243005600592035631246561218465817904100131859299619933817012149335034875870551067"... is too long a word. Try using a shorter word. |
| 12:11.26 | airtonix | it actually sends it onto google |
| 12:11.33 | Semlar | OH I'M SORRY I DIDN'T REALIZE WORDS COULD BE TOO LONG |
| 12:11.46 | airtonix | <large number> |
| 12:11.55 | airtonix | or |
| 12:11.59 | airtonix | <large number: your choice> |
| 12:12.37 | airtonix | anyway jleclanche, why would you need to google that number? |
| 12:12.51 | jleclanche | stop judging me, why the fuck not |
| 12:12.52 | Semlar | he's just trying to bring down the internet |
| 12:15.59 | karl_w_w | I accidentally the internet |
| 12:17.14 | Semlar | just remember to put it back when you're done with it |
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| 13:01.27 | Sintacks | .calc 1+1 |
| 13:01.33 | Sintacks | :| |
| 13:01.46 | rid_ | :< |
| 13:01.53 | rid_ | Sintacks: 2 |
| 13:02.07 | Sintacks | [Calc] "245246644900278211976517663573088018467026787678332759743414451715061600830038587216952208399332071549103626827191679864079776723243005600592035631246561218465817904100131859299619933817012149335034875870551067 + 2452466449002782119765176635730880184670267876783327597434144517150616008300385872169522083993320715491036268271916798640797767232430056005920356312465612184658179041001 |
| 13:02.07 | Sintacks | 31859299619933817012149335034875870551067" = [ 490,493,289,800,556,410,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 ] |
| 13:02.17 | Sintacks | that's a big number |
| 13:02.18 | zenzio | thanks, that's usefl |
| 13:02.22 | zenzio | and useful |
| 13:02.31 | Sintacks | I like how it fucks up |
| 13:02.42 | airtonix | how? |
| 13:02.50 | airtonix | numbers are always right |
| 13:02.55 | Sintacks | the giant amount of zeros |
| 13:03.00 | Sintacks | cuz can't do that big a number |
| 13:03.13 | Amarande | heh, which is actually an interesting thing to note, too |
| 13:03.29 | Amarande | because in many cases, with super large numbers too huge to calculate, it's actually the END digits that are the only ones you can actually figure out |
| 13:03.38 | Amarande | e.g., 3->3->3->3 (Conway chained arrows) |
| 13:03.40 | Sintacks | lol |
| 13:03.47 | Sintacks | that number times itself returns 1 |
| 13:03.51 | Sintacks | in mIRC at least |
| 13:03.52 | Sintacks | hejh |
| 13:03.58 | Amarande | that number is actually so large you can not only write the exponent using every particle in the universe |
| 13:04.14 | Sintacks | 1.#INF |
| 13:04.15 | Sintacks | actually |
| 13:04.16 | Semlar | how do you know |
| 13:04.17 | Sintacks | lol |
| 13:04.18 | Amarande | but, in fact, if every subatomic particle in the universe contained an identical universe and you could access them, you STILL wouldn't have enough. |
| 13:04.55 | Amarande | however, you CAN calculate fairly many of its *final* digits (because it's a power of 3, and every power of 3 large enough has the same final set of digits) |
| 13:05.15 | Sintacks | how the hell do you know that's a power of 3 |
| 13:05.25 | Amarande | Sintacks: because of how you expand conway chains |
| 13:05.32 | Sintacks | oh. you were talking about that. |
| 13:05.35 | Sintacks | not my number |
| 13:06.10 | Amarande | Conway chains are expanded into recursive Knuth up-arrow expressions, which are "power towers" |
| 13:06.43 | Amarande | and yes, 3->3->3->3 is a number so staggeringly large that even gods probably have trouble comprehending it. :) |
| 13:07.03 | airtonix | Amarande: but if you had a universe inside a universe inside a universe inside a universe |
| 13:07.13 | airtonix | totally doable |
| 13:07.14 | Sintacks | ignores Amarande and adds 1+1 on a piece of paper |
| 13:07.19 | Amarande | airtonix: possibly not |
| 13:07.25 | airtonix | ok add one more universe |
| 13:07.28 | airtonix | done |
| 13:07.40 | Amarande | remember, adding a universe inside a universe means you have about 10^79 particles times 10^79 sub-particles per universe |
| 13:07.53 | airtonix | eyes glaze over |
| 13:07.58 | airtonix | so more particles? |
| 13:08.01 | Semlar | how do you know how many particles are in the universe |
| 13:08.01 | airtonix | or less? |
| 13:08.06 | Amarande | when you multiply, you add exponents, so at two tiers you have 10^158 sub-particles, which is still tiny compared to that number |
| 13:08.23 | airtonix | ok i'll add 10^158 universes |
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| 13:08.32 | airtonix | enough yet? |
| 13:08.43 | airtonix | or did i break maths? |
| 13:08.48 | Amarande | okay, 10^158 universes have about 10^237 particles between them |
| 13:08.51 | Amarande | you're still nowhere close :) |
| 13:09.01 | Amarande | at least I don't think you are |
| 13:09.12 | airtonix | what about 10^Amarande |
| 13:09.13 | Semlar | i don't think that's right |
| 13:09.20 | Semlar | if every particle contains another universe |
| 13:09.24 | airtonix | surely i have enough maths now |
| 13:09.25 | Semlar | the number is much larger than that |
| 13:09.29 | Amarande | Semlar: then each particle contains 10^79 particles |
| 13:09.37 | Semlar | but you're only adding one to that |
| 13:09.41 | Amarande | so you have 10^79 particles with 10^79 sub-particles at the first tier |
| 13:09.56 | Amarande | so 10^79 * 10^79 which means you ADD exponents, so you get 10^158 |
| 13:10.15 | airtonix | yeah fool, bodmas or something |
| 13:10.45 | Amarande | or roughly about the DPS that your average mage will deal next expansion |
| 13:10.46 | Amarande | heh |
| 13:11.09 | Amarande | good gods are we at 300-400k dps range already? |
| 13:11.09 | Semlar | nuh uh cuz the number would be too big |
| 13:11.24 | airtonix | don't all it dps then |
| 13:11.26 | Amarande | when I left last, 100k was considered cutting edge, and we didn't get a new expansion did we? heh |
| 13:11.42 | airtonix | yeah |
| 13:11.45 | airtonix | about six i think |
| 13:23.27 | Amarande | speaking of which, Noxxic is noting about a 25% variance in DPS between the top and bottom specs in BiS |
| 13:23.53 | Amarande | does this mean that SoO is super easy like ICC, or is it going to be a case of "better stick to the FOTM"? |
| 13:26.36 | bluipodcow | ....... |
| 13:26.45 | bluipodcow | Aliens man |
| 13:26.48 | bluipodcow | Aliens |
| 13:27.07 | airtonix | didn't you hear? |
| 13:27.24 | airtonix | next expansion is going to be released on the most minority touch device in existance |
| 13:28.01 | bluipodcow | Lol |
| 13:28.05 | Amarande | windows phone? :P |
| 13:28.09 | bluipodcow | The crack berry ? |
| 13:28.25 | airtonix | don't be silly |
| 13:28.53 | airtonix | everyone knows all the web logs full of iphones are faked by people using them in the apples stores only |
| 13:29.22 | Amarande | airtonix: don't forget the ipads in the seating areas in airport terminals |
| 13:30.00 | Semlar | noxxic is using simcraft set to a patchwerk fight which is largely inaccurate for almost all of SoO |
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| 13:30.32 | Semlar | there are maybe 3 mostly single target bosses? |
| 13:35.20 | Amarande | even their "realistic" fight calculator shows a similarly major variance |
| 13:35.45 | Amarande | but I'm not sure how it pans out in real life, based on this you'd see a sea change with shadow priests in particular |
| 13:36.15 | Amarande | used to be virtually every raid could count on having a shadowie, but now they seem to have such poor DPS compared to the field that presumably they'd have mostly learned to like healing or rerolled another class |
| 13:36.23 | Semlar | realistically shadow and affliction are going to crush everyone else on a council style fight |
| 13:36.36 | Semlar | and they have shadow dead last on this ranking |
| 13:36.43 | Amarande | Affliction is a respectable #8 on the realistic ranking, meanwhile |
| 13:36.55 | Semlar | affliction locks might be one of the highest dps in the game right now |
| 13:37.03 | Amarande | (and given that three of the top six are hunter, that's better than #8 would sound, too) |
| 13:38.23 | Amarande | also one wonders what this means for casters in general, if shadowies were to fall off the radar like the figures suggest |
| 13:38.28 | Semlar | marksmanship might as well not even be on this list |
| 13:38.56 | Amarande | Boomkins and Ellie shamans have always been rarish, which means that if Shadow priests get rare too, it really does make a big difference |
| 13:39.11 | Amarande | since then you have to budget in that much more haste on your gear to compensate for the fact that there's a large chance you won't have that buff |
| 13:40.24 | Amarande | hm let's see what raidbots says |
| 13:40.31 | Semlar | keep in mind a hunter can bring whatever buff you want |
| 13:40.46 | Amarande | yeah raidbots has a much different picture of things |
| 13:40.58 | Semlar | http://worldoflogs.com/rankings/players/Siege_of_Orgrimmar/dps/ |
| 13:41.25 | Amarande | although, one thing raidbots doesn't do is distinguish between 1H and 2H (for windwalker, frost, and fury) |
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| 13:41.54 | Amarande | and there's still that big variance (especially compared to say SW:TOR) from top to bottom |
| 13:42.06 | Amarande | I guess I'm mostly wondering just how much pressure is put on people these days to play FOTM spec |
| 13:42.15 | Amarande | (which was something the whole mop spec system was supposed to be getting away from) |
| 13:43.03 | Semlar | hunters do decent dps but they are not even remotely as close to the top as noxxic would indicate |
| 13:43.12 | Semlar | they're more middle of the pack |
| 13:43.26 | Amarande | i.e., if you like X spec, the chance that you'll get to play it, or that you'll be basically told to play Y spec or not raid |
| 13:44.10 | Amarande | (perhaps even kicked from heroics but I think that was really only ever a problem during the first few weeks of cata, heroics tend to not care as long as you don't super slack and the instance gets cleared, plus the variance is lower at lower gear levels) |
| 13:45.50 | Amarande | mind you I doubt we'll ever get as bad as say FF11 or anywhere near that bad. :) |
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| 13:46.25 | Amarande | wow. 3 of the top 10 DPS against Garrosh are tanks, that's interesting |
| 13:46.39 | Semlar | i think it's a gimmick fight |
| 13:46.54 | Semlar | also brewmasters just do a crapton of damage |
| 13:47.10 | Amarande | wait, five out of ten, I missed the brewmaster icon heh |
| 13:47.16 | Amarande | top is actually blood DK, though |
| 13:47.41 | Semlar | that i can't comment on because in my experience death knight tanks don't do that much dps |
| 13:48.04 | Amarande | gimmick fight maybe |
| 13:48.11 | Amarande | most people have yet to see the fight I'm guessing too |
| 13:48.32 | Amarande | seeing that garrosh LFR stats are still blank, has it just been nobody managing it or is the fight not available yet? |
| 13:48.33 | Semlar | i have seen brewmasters outdamage most of the DPS in a raid though |
| 13:48.57 | Semlar | they had their damage nerfed by 10% and they still do way more damage than any other tank |
| 13:49.47 | Semlar | there are only 2 wings open on LFR |
| 13:49.57 | Semlar | well, here |
| 13:50.01 | Amarande | The other bosses of the end wing have LFR stats, but not Garrosh |
| 13:50.10 | Semlar | i don't know where they got this data |
| 13:50.35 | Amarande | also raidbots says an arcane mage managed over 1M DPS in one case, how did THAT happen *blink* |
| 13:50.59 | Amarande | and how is it that simcraft indicates that frost is best for mages but raidbots seems to give that honour to arcane? |
| 13:51.05 | Semlar | i've seen a brewmaster peak over a million dps but that was an aoe fight and not that long |
| 13:51.30 | Amarande | hrmm ... guessing it probably has something to do with movement |
| 13:51.46 | Semlar | i'm not really sure, arcane only has one button |
| 13:51.57 | Amarande | frost get ruined by movement since they're spell spammers and have to stop every five seconds to move in most of the fights I've seen, I'm guessing |
| 13:52.18 | Amarande | for arcane it possibly helps them since movement means a chance for stacks to drop to manage mana |
| 13:52.42 | Amarande | (I did find when I tried arcane in spamfest fights that I'd do great DPS for a while and then stutter the rest of the fight due to oomness :P) |
| 13:54.23 | Amarande | frost I'd never run out of mana otoh |
| 13:54.42 | Semlar | they might be simming a longer fight |
| 13:54.43 | Amarande | didn't try fire. haven't tried fire since late wrath |
| 13:55.03 | Semlar | or it isn't taking into account anything except standing there dpsing |
| 13:55.25 | Amarande | makes me happy to see affliction is top dog for warlock, though, I've always liked aff |
| 13:55.48 | Amarande | and usually hated how destro would keep taking the top dog spot and then you'd be expected to spec it, like, if I wanted the destro playstyle I'd have made a fire mage :p |
| 13:55.55 | Semlar | on a fight like the fallen protectors they can just dot up all 3 bosses |
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| 13:57.36 | Semlar | the only thing i don't like about my hunter is that the pet is retarded and dies to fight mechanics |
| 13:57.41 | Semlar | or despawns |
| 13:57.43 | Semlar | or gets stuck |
| 13:58.08 | Semlar | and then i'm out more than half my damage if i'm beast mastery and even as survival it's at least 10% |
| 13:58.49 | Semlar | my dps shouldn't be dependent on a pet that can just randomly break |
| 13:59.14 | Amarande | yeah that's why they had to give pets ridiculous damage reduction to begin with |
| 13:59.55 | Semlar | they apparently didn't take into account that a number of moves don't actually count as aoes |
| 14:00.20 | Semlar | so the pet can still just get one shot by some things |
| 14:01.01 | Semlar | like on the dark shaman fight they summon a line of elementals that melee anything that gets near them |
| 14:01.16 | Semlar | so the first time that happens every pet in the raid dies |
| 14:01.46 | Semlar | the best part is that the move i have to instantly rez my pet rezzes it where it died |
| 14:01.56 | Semlar | so it just instantly dies again |
| 14:02.39 | Amarande | I'm guessing this is also why Demo isn't very popular, heh |
| 14:04.18 | Semlar | i think my gear is at a point now where i can go back to survival and not really lose out on dps |
| 14:17.59 | Fisker | hugs Lopeppeppy |
| 14:18.19 | Lopeppeppy | Gut morning, darlinsky. |
| 14:18.42 | Fisker | morning Lopeppeppy :) |
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| 14:24.41 | Amarande | heh, I see EJ pretty much never likes the gathering professions |
| 14:25.06 | Amarande | do they really expect us to level 1-600 in two professions off the AH instead of gathering any of our own mats :P |
| 14:26.18 | Semlar | pretty much |
| 14:27.03 | Semlar | i leveled engineering with mining then dropping mining and leveled enchanting |
| 14:27.12 | Semlar | dropped* |
| 14:28.56 | Semlar | but i also only have one character |
| 14:29.21 | Semlar | a lot of people have a second max level character they could pick 2 gathering professions on |
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| 14:30.30 | Semlar | i decided i wasn't going to be playing more than one character this expansion |
| 14:34.00 | Amarande | I wonder if leatherworkers are distinctly rare |
| 14:34.13 | Amarande | primarily because skinning is "not recommended" but you HAVE TO have it to be a LW |
| 14:34.21 | Amarande | there just *aren't enough mats* on AH to level LW without getting your own |
| 14:34.52 | Amarande | tbh I'm surprised there aren't more professions where that's an issue |
| 14:35.29 | Amarande | you'd think with three profs that all need metal (or at least ore) that they'd all need mining "nolens volens" too due to supply limits |
| 14:36.34 | Amarande | alchemy I could see managing to level without the aid of herbalism, because the mats requirements tend to be fairly sane, and you're only competing with scribes |
| 14:36.48 | Semlar | scribblers |
| 14:37.05 | Amarande | and scribe is also a pretty mats-friendly profession particularly now that it hands out so many multi-skillpoint crafts |
| 14:37.42 | Amarande | plus with glyphs being once per character affairs now there's not much reason to mass produce them like there is with alchemy products |
| 14:38.42 | Semlar | strictly speaking you can buy pretty much anything you can gather with motes |
| 14:38.42 | Amarande | plus, between that and the fact that so many glyph recipes are so wrackingly irritating to get, scribe is a strongly disindicated profession for people who don't have one already well underway |
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| 14:42.21 | Semlar | i know the other hunter i play with has engineering and leatherworking |
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| 14:46.03 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure he just has mining and skinning on an alt |
| 14:46.28 | Ewe_Loon | hi everyone, Im sure this is asked a lot, does anyone know how or where i can get a copy of the internal blizzard ui interfaces, the one im interested in is the pet journal |
| 14:47.10 | Parnic | http://wowpedia.org/Viewing_Blizzard's_interface_code |
| 14:47.22 | Semlar | https://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source/tree/live/AddOns/Blizzard_PetJournal |
| 14:49.12 | Ewe_Loon | Thanks, that what i was looking for |
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| 14:56.50 | Alram | hey Fisker |
| 14:57.46 | rid_ | your nicks getting raped on quackwebz |
| 14:57.52 | rid_ | nick* |
| 14:59.21 | Fisker | I don't care |
| 14:59.28 | Fisker | leave me alone |
| 14:59.44 | Alram | hugs Fisker |
| 14:59.45 | Alram | its okay |
| 15:01.53 | Stanzilla | Alram: offspring should be deopped |
| 15:01.59 | Stanzilla | he's only doing bullshit with it anyway |
| 15:02.14 | Alram | yes |
| 15:02.26 | Stanzilla | who can do that? Bibi? |
| 15:02.47 | Alram | well |
| 15:02.49 | Alram | yes |
| 15:04.28 | Stanzilla | Alram: initiate it |
| 15:04.36 | Alram | pretty sure you just did |
| 15:04.42 | Alram | and i dont have any say in things anymore |
| 15:04.43 | Alram | on purpose |
| 15:04.47 | Stanzilla | :( |
| 15:04.57 | Stanzilla | pretty sure he does not read irc highlights :D |
| 15:05.15 | Alram | keep thinking that |
| 15:05.54 | Amarande | ahhh the fun of highlights |
| 15:06.04 | Amarande | I still remember getting kicked from a channel on gamesurge many years ago because of highlights |
| 15:06.34 | Amarande | There was this one guy named Trogdor who had ops there ... apparently he was trying to get to sleep, and at the same time we in the channel got into geeking out about chemistry |
| 15:06.55 | Amarande | and apparently the many occurrences of "trog" in "nitrogen" were causing his PC to keep pinging him LOL |
| 15:07.49 | Alram | some guy named Trogdor |
| 15:07.50 | Alram | 10/10 |
| 15:08.13 | Amarande | heh. probably quite a lot of people use that nick |
| 15:08.29 | Amarande | wouldn't even be surprised if more than one person on gamesurge did, since they don't have registered nicks there, only services accounts like Undernet |
| 15:09.25 | Amarande | anyway work time |
| 15:11.13 | Ackis | interesting... I took too many prescription meds on Friday (resulting in a blackout of 20ish hours) and during that time I did some web development. I've come back to a webpage that has a moving frog on it, and a series of words cascading down on the page |
| 15:11.30 | Semlar | hackish |
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| 15:24.06 | Torhal | Ackis: Having said that, I'm so glad you didn't work on ARL. |
| 15:24.33 | Ressy | ^ |
| 15:24.49 | Ressy | That would've been fun to fix. |
| 15:24.55 | Torhal | We don't need moving frogs and cascading text, TYVM. |
| 15:25.09 | Torhal | Ressy: Easy to fix. Reset to the last known working commit. |
| 15:25.15 | Torhal | Still...the tickets... |
| 15:25.19 | Ressy | lol |
| 15:25.34 | Ressy | That'd be fun.. email blowing up from peoples' tickets |
| 15:25.51 | Unkle | OMFG I updated my ARL and now it's full of FROGS. THANKS OBAMA! |
| 15:26.36 | Torhal | :P |
| 15:34.00 | foxlit | "enough rope to shoot yourself in the foot" |
| 15:35.13 | foxlit | figures it'd be a c/c++ book. |
| 15:38.00 | bluipodcow | Wait |
| 15:38.07 | bluipodcow | Ackis can code? |
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| 15:43.18 | Ackis | I can't |
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| 16:00.40 | Ackis | apparently I even sent the frog stuff to my boss :( |
| 16:04.23 | Ressy | lmao |
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| 16:05.01 | Ressy | You need to install one of those apps on your computer & phone that keep you from doing anything stupid online while under the influence. |
| 16:06.29 | Ackis | meh it's her fault I was under the influence |
| 16:16.02 | bluipodcow | Lol |
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| 16:37.06 | Cairenn | Morning |
| 16:37.16 | Fisker | hey Cairenn |
| 16:37.30 | Cairenn | How goes, Fisker? |
| 16:38.14 | Fisker | Better than before |
| 16:39.04 | Cairenn | Well, that's good then .... |
| 16:39.14 | Fisker | Yes indeed it is |
| 16:41.25 | pompy | http://gamerant.com/half-life-3-trademark-hoax-europe/ oh come on!! |
| 16:43.24 | pompy | ughh apparently we are in a tornado watch >< |
| 16:43.46 | MentalPower|Work | Funkeh`: ping |
| 16:46.42 | Shirik | you can't be in a tornado watch |
| 16:46.47 | Shirik | there's no government to declare it |
| 16:46.49 | Shirik | :D |
| 16:47.10 | TC-Work | Hah, I read that as a Tomato Watch |
| 16:47.56 | Torhal | That'd be a messy watch. |
| 16:48.09 | Cairenn | lol |
| 16:49.24 | Lopeppeppy | Do not want tornado watch. |
| 16:49.33 | Lopeppeppy | is obsessive about her windows right now.... |
| 16:49.49 | Lopeppeppy | The last tornado in this area missed me by about 10 miles. Hate. |
| 16:51.30 | TC-Work | Lopeppeppy: Don't they have window covers for things like that? |
| 16:52.34 | kd3 | you mean... shutters? |
| 16:52.49 | TC-Work | Besides, you kinda have to expecct it, and roll with the punches. Just like you have to expect earthquakes in cali. |
| 16:53.00 | Torhal | shutters at the thought. |
| 16:53.02 | TC-Work | expect* |
| 16:53.07 | TC-Work | ~lart Torhal |
| 16:53.07 | purl | frags Torhal with his BFG9000 |
| 16:53.15 | Torhal | :/ |
| 16:53.39 | TC-Work | kd3: Dunno, around here shutters are things on the inside. |
| 16:55.40 | Lopeppeppy | Actually, the uptick in tornadoes around here has only been in the last couple of years - before that there hadn't been one in my adult memory. Global thermonuclear weather change FTL. |
| 16:58.24 | Ackis | hah hey Torhal I broke my curse client :D |
| 16:58.35 | MentalPower|Work | join the club |
| 16:58.36 | Torhal | Ackis: Good job, sir! |
| 16:58.54 | Torhal | MentalPower|Work: You broke yours? o.O |
| 17:00.38 | MentalPower|Work | I don't use mine :) |
| 17:06.06 | Torhal | :P |
| 17:07.45 | pompy | http://www.lazygamer.net/general-news/the-red-cross-wants-gamers-to-be-punished-for-war-crimes/ :o |
| 17:10.00 | Torhal | pompy: Sorry; I saw two "Male gamers only" ads and closed it. |
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| 17:19.47 | bluipodcow | Cause torhal is so girly |
| 17:20.08 | Torhal | defenestrates bluipodcow. |
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| 17:26.55 | Unkle | Torhal is the least girly man I've ever met |
| 17:27.08 | Ackis | Unkle: you haven't seen him naked then |
| 17:27.27 | Unkle | ... |
| 17:27.36 | Torhal | Ackis: Nor have you. |
| 17:27.42 | Unkle | stabs Ackis with brain bleach |
| 17:32.13 | Torhal | wonders when Humbedooh will write his own Civ V SDK in WoWLua. |
| 17:33.19 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 17:33.26 | Cairenn | (@ the red cross thing) |
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| 17:39.42 | Unkle | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5797967/att-kirk-khan-shout.jpg |
| 17:43.46 | nicoli_s | Ackis:howd you break the CC? |
| 17:43.58 | Torhal | nicoli_s: He added moving frogs. |
| 17:48.08 | Ackis | nicoli_s: no clue, it just gives a .net error and regardless of how many times I "fix" it, it still doesn't work |
| 17:49.41 | pompy | https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=692957100734291&set=a.133548883341785.20130.133409023355771&type=1 lol |
| 17:55.56 | Cairenn | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZeR-vxREvw |
| 17:57.39 | karl_w_w | youtube video called "Top 10 Movies Where the Bad Guy Wins" - i both want to watch it and don't want to watch it at the same time |
| 18:03.11 | nebula169 | why watch, already spoiled |
| 18:09.26 | Humbedooh | Torhal: stop spying on me ;O |
| 18:09.39 | Torhal | Humbedooh: Fun-slayer! |
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| 18:17.39 | Primer | kd3: Of all the things in your Config.wtf, which do you think would have the most impact on performance in wine? |
| 18:18.04 | Primer | I found several CombatLogRange* entries all set to 200 |
| 18:21.38 | Ressy | kill off expected healing for raid frames.. |
| 18:21.58 | Primer | that's what Gnarfoz suggested |
| 18:22.05 | Primer | Happen to know what cvar that is? |
| 18:22.10 | Ressy | Blizzard's working on fixing fps related to that.. |
| 18:22.13 | Ressy | lemme go look |
| 18:23.35 | Gnarfoz | Primer: combatlogrange cvars have been noops for an expansion or two |
| 18:23.54 | Unkle | Since TBC actually. |
| 18:24.09 | Gnarfoz | that's a bit too early, I think |
| 18:24.19 | Gnarfoz | or well, during tbc maybe, with the combatlog patch? not sure |
| 18:24.22 | Unkle | Somewhere in TBC is when the CombatLog revamp happened. |
| 18:24.23 | Primer | yeah, I recall reading that all those just got set to 200 after some long-ago patch |
| 18:24.28 | Gnarfoz | that'd be 2.4, close to TBC's end |
| 18:24.44 | Gnarfoz | ZE ZUNWELL |
| 18:25.04 | Unkle | It was just a setback |
| 18:25.20 | Primer | http://wowpedia.org/CVar_raidFramesDisplayIncomingHeals |
| 18:25.23 | Primer | Guessing that's it |
| 18:25.31 | Ressy | that'd do it. :) |
| 18:26.40 | Primer | easiest way to find out will be to try a 40 man |
| 18:26.49 | Primer | That was a sure way to make my FPS = 0 |
| 18:28.43 | Primer | heh 5x FrameXML\UnitFrame.lua:232: attempt to index field "otherHealPrediction" (a nil value) |
| 18:29.42 | Primer | bah, still can't send BoAs across realms, right? |
| 18:30.07 | Primer | I started leveling another toon because my son is doing so as well, and wanted my to join him |
| 18:30.29 | Unkle | Sadly, no. |
| 18:30.35 | Primer | but grinding heroics on my main for the JP is tedious, and I still need 4 more items |
| 18:30.45 | Primer | even though I queue as heals and just DPS |
| 18:30.59 | Unkle | You can group though via realid. |
| 18:31.16 | Primer | and trade? |
| 18:31.31 | Primer | well |
| 18:31.32 | Primer | no |
| 18:31.38 | Primer | since I can't be on the same account... |
| 18:31.39 | Unkle | No, trading no. Unless you're on one of the joined realms and there's only 2 of those right now. |
| 18:32.19 | Ressy | '/run SetCVar("raidFramesDisplayIncomingHeals",1) |
| 18:33.14 | Primer | Ressy: I just put it in Config.wtf |
| 18:33.34 | Ressy | its a char-specific |
| 18:33.40 | Ressy | so it'll get removed from config |
| 18:34.22 | Ressy | You'd need to put it in Config-cache.wtf |
| 18:35.36 | Primer | so obviously I want to set that to 0 |
| 18:36.51 | Ressy | no, run that script to disable |
| 18:37.26 | Primer | You have it set to 1 |
| 18:37.31 | Primer | Is what I meant |
| 18:37.37 | Ressy | Yeah.. Set it to 1. |
| 18:37.38 | Ressy | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/10014521682#5 |
| 18:37.51 | Primer | Seems very counter-intuitive |
| 18:38.05 | Ressy | nods |
| 18:39.04 | Ackis | Cairenn, nicoli_s, pompy: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=729286510420904&set=gm.681814445164388&type=1&relevant_count=1&ref=nf |
| 18:39.22 | Primer | ok, I got my warforged seals and I'm off to the isle to test |
| 18:39.23 | Cairenn | This content is currently unavailableThe page you requested cannot be displayed right now. It may be temporarily unavailable, the link you clicked on may have expired, or you may not have permission to view this page. |
| 18:39.40 | Primer | My main's on an oceanic realm, so it's already reset |
| 18:39.55 | Ackis | lame |
| 18:40.06 | Ackis | https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/q71/s720x720/1384367_729286510420904_2094931188_n.jpg ? |
| 18:40.16 | Cairenn | awwww |
| 18:40.19 | Cairenn | poor kitty! |
| 18:41.05 | Unkle | RAWR! IT R DINOCAT |
| 18:41.17 | Cairenn | Oh, it's hilarious |
| 18:41.21 | Cairenn | and poor kitty! |
| 18:41.59 | Unkle | Yeah, poor kitteh. |
| 18:42.03 | Seerah | It lies about here on my scale funny----------------|---poor kitty |
| 18:42.43 | Ackis | it's more funny than that Seerah |
| 18:42.52 | Seerah | I said "on my scale" :p |
| 18:42.55 | kd3 | huh. that can't be intentional... I can debug the blizzard android mobile authenticator app |
| 18:43.04 | Seerah | ;/ |
| 18:43.09 | Unkle | kd3: oy. |
| 18:43.09 | Seerah | er... :/ |
| 18:43.22 | Cairenn | ummm |
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| 18:45.55 | foxlit | Ressy: no, run that script to disable << moo? |
| 18:48.09 | foxlit | Primer: Seems very counter-intuitive << that's because it's wrong. |
| 18:49.24 | nicoli_s | ackis: is that your kitty? |
| 18:49.31 | Ackis | nicoli_s: no |
| 18:49.32 | Primer | foxlit: how is it wrong? |
| 18:49.37 | Ackis | I wished it was though :D |
| 18:49.42 | foxlit | you set the cvar to 1 to enable healing prediction, 0 to disable |
| 18:49.57 | foxlit | the performance issues manifest when healing prediction is disabled, not enabled. |
| 18:50.15 | Ressy | ah |
| 18:50.29 | Primer | But isn't it enabled by default? |
| 18:50.40 | foxlit | I don't know; maybe. |
| 18:50.49 | foxlit | because when healing prediction is disabled, FrameXML attempts to hide some frames that don't actually exist |
| 18:50.50 | Ressy | supposed to be.. but you can turn it off. |
| 18:50.52 | Primer | So I doubt this is what's affectingme |
| 18:51.15 | Ressy | Theres a checkbox in the interface for it |
| 18:51.36 | foxlit | which throws an error, and wow's error handling takes ages for some obscure reason. |
| 18:52.22 | foxlit | of course, lua errors are hidden by default, so most people don't even know what's hitting them. |
| 18:53.05 | foxlit | and so the ui team's disappointing 5.x track record continues. |
| 18:53.15 | sylvanaar | kd3: why would you not be able to? |
| 18:53.35 | kd3 | it's the only app on my phone that I get the option to do that for other than the one I'm writing? |
| 18:53.38 | sylvanaar | thats how they wrote winauth iirc |
| 18:55.16 | sylvanaar | foxlit: those hidden by default errors really get me. X addon really slows down my game, I had to uninstall it. |
| 18:55.56 | Primer | Just killed the ship on timeless isle and FPS went to ship |
| 18:55.56 | Primer | wasn't even grouped |
| 18:56.29 | Semlar | are you running a rare tracking addon |
| 18:56.50 | foxlit | sylvanaar: user comments? |
| 18:57.47 | sylvanaar | yeah at various points |
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| 19:00.37 | foxlit | time to xpcall all the things and whine to default_chat_frame :P |
| 19:01.27 | sylvanaar | maybe an embeddable error catcher |
| 19:02.09 | Primer | Semlar: NPCScan |
| 19:02.27 | sylvanaar | or yeah - high likelyhood of beakingsomeday xpcalls |
| 19:02.42 | Primer | Semlar: thing is, my machine at home is comparable in terms of hardware. The only difference is that it's windows and this is Linux |
| 19:06.11 | Primer | Right now I'm wandering about timeless isle and there are a bunch of people. FPS is about 70 something at 1920x1080 |
| 19:06.18 | Primer | As soon as I enter combat, FPS goes to shit |
| 19:06.33 | Semlar | you have errors set to display? |
| 19:13.53 | Primer | of course |
| 19:14.32 | Primer | and there are none |
| 19:15.24 | Semlar | does it still do it after disabling all of your addons |
| 19:16.19 | Primer | I've been trying to not go that far |
| 19:16.34 | Primer | This box has 4 cores and none are pegged |
| 19:16.38 | Semlar | well that would immediately tell you whether or not it's an addon |
| 19:17.02 | Primer | but I also doubt it's a video bottleneck |
| 19:17.23 | Primer | pretty sure I'll be completely useless without addons... |
| 19:19.13 | foxlit | just kill all the onupdate/onevent handlers and see if that makes things better |
| 19:20.10 | foxlit | [enumerateframes is almost but not quite an iterator function] |
| 19:21.16 | Grivvel | And if you're going that far, you might as well do "for k, v in pairs(_G) do if type(v) == "function" then _G[k] = function() end end end" |
| 19:21.44 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 19:21.56 | foxlit | you might, if you didn't care about what you were doing. |
| 19:21.57 | Semlar | WorldFrame:Hide() |
| 19:22.08 | sylvanaar | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:22.21 | Grivvel | foxlit: I'm pretty sure killing all OnUpdate/OnEvent handlers wouldn't be much better :P |
| 19:22.43 | foxlit | oh, it'd (a) actually work (b) not kill your ability to reload the ui. |
| 19:23.34 | foxlit | meanwhile, replacing every global function does nothing for the for i=1,1e12 do end loop someone has in their onupdate :) |
| 19:25.38 | Grivvel | foxlit: Why not both? |
| 19:26.21 | foxlit | because what you're proposing is to shoot yourself in the foot. |
| 19:26.54 | foxlit | it's both unnecessary and painful. |
| 19:26.55 | Unkle | With a large caliber weapon. |
| 19:27.06 | Grivvel | I think removing all event handling/on updates is shooting yourself in the foot. I'm just proposing that you shoot the other foot too. You know, symmetry and all that. |
| 19:27.37 | sylvanaar | did you try a profiler? i didnt scroill back |
| 19:27.44 | Primer | no |
| 19:27.48 | foxlit | I think you fail to understand the subtleties of foot-shooting. Return after you've tried it, young grasshopper. |
| 19:28.08 | Primer | I used to have one installed, but now I don't recall its name |
| 19:28.13 | Primer | A profiler, that is |
| 19:28.30 | sylvanaar | they are not very accurate - but they can be helpful |
| 19:29.14 | Primer | Which do you recommend? |
| 19:29.19 | Primer | Presuming there's more than one |
| 19:29.38 | sylvanaar | I don't know anymore - I am just assuming there is one still |
| 19:31.23 | sylvanaar | doies the game still do it? |
| 19:32.59 | foxlit | the api is still around, in any case. |
| 19:33.17 | foxlit | cpu profiling has always been cumbersome because you have to enable it beforehand, and eat the performance hit while it's running. |
| 19:33.19 | sylvanaar | yeah, but you had to turn on a cvar |
| 19:33.27 | sylvanaar | yeah |
| 19:33.38 | foxlit | Kill OnUpdate/OnEvent first, debug later, and only if it turns out killing those handlers helped. |
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| 19:33.45 | sylvanaar | and then you need to know how to read the results |
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| 19:34.10 | foxlit | It's not impossible that the lag you're getting has nothing to do with your UI. |
| 19:36.09 | sylvanaar | or a taint log, so many entering combat problems related to secure frames |
| 19:37.07 | Primer | I recently replaced the hardware on this machine. In the past I was able to get 5 FPS if I alt-z'd |
| 19:37.31 | Primer | But right now I'm on an i5 at 3.4ghz with 16g of ram on an nvidia 650 |
| 19:37.43 | Primer | but on Linux and wine |
| 19:37.58 | Primer | model name: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4670K CPU @ 3.40GHz |
| 19:39.10 | sylvanaar | lots of variables |
| 19:40.11 | Primer | My machine at home, a 2 year old i7 running at a comparable rate (I don't recall), also with 16g of ram, but at a higher resolution and with pretty much everything on ultra, but on an nvidia 570, runs perfectly |
| 19:40.24 | Primer | 1920x1200 |
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| 20:03.48 | Lopeppeppy | Symlinks can bite my booty. Seriously, our last server admin was way too fond of them, I keep running into them in very awkward ways. |
| 20:04.38 | karl_w_w | http://superuser.com/questions/496092/view-a-list-of-symbolic-links-on-system |
| 20:08.15 | Lopeppeppy | I'm not a server admin, I can't do anything about them. I just trip over them and get a bloody nose and then complain to the server admin to get him to fix them. |
| 20:09.08 | Torhal | Lopeppeppy: Symlinks are awesome when they make sense and they're documented. When they aren't and the things go away...I sympathize with you. |
| 20:09.54 | Ackis | syslinks are sexy |
| 20:10.07 | Ackis | my work sucks and I can't create symlinks here :( |
| 20:10.12 | Lopeppeppy | I have folder A symlinked to B and C and B symlinked to C and and and. This is some spaghetti shit. |
| 20:10.30 | Primer | I'm sure it made sense to the person who created them |
| 20:10.54 | Lopeppeppy | I just basically said, "I want end result of nothing symlinked in this tangle. I don't care how you do it, just tell me where the files actually are in the end and I'll copy them out of that directory to where I want them." |
| 20:14.38 | Primer | And the sysadmin will say: Follow the symlinks |
| 20:15.02 | Primer | Which in reality isn't all that unreasonable |
| 20:15.44 | Torhal | Make a flowchart. |
| 20:16.22 | Ackis | infinite recursiion |
| 20:16.45 | Esamynn|work | symlinks are a wonderful thing... but like any tool, can be used for evil |
| 20:17.12 | Ackis | what's the proper way to use inheritance for css? I'm teaching myself and I've found about 5 ways to do it |
| 20:22.58 | Lopeppeppy | These are pretty evil, Esamynn|work. If I do say so myself. *preens* |
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| 20:58.49 | Semlar | Ackis: what do you mean inheritance |
| 20:59.26 | Semlar | if you want to apply the same style to two things you can just separate their selectors with commas |
| 21:00.48 | Ackis | Semlar: I want a style X to have 4 attributes, and then I want a style Y to have those same 4 attributes and a few extras |
| 21:00.51 | Torhal | Ermagherd...Hearthstone beta. |
| 21:02.14 | Semlar | i haven't done any web design in a while but i'm pretty sure you can just do x, y { shared styles } and after that y { extras } |
| 21:03.07 | Semlar | i don't remember if putting the same selector in there twice completely wipes out the previous entry or only overrides the same styles |
| 21:05.26 | Semlar | i don't think it wipes out the original entry |
| 21:05.35 | zenzelezz | you're correct |
| 21:05.41 | zenzelezz | it cascades |
| 21:05.53 | Semlar | >_> |
| 21:08.43 | Ackis | danke |
| 21:08.55 | Ackis | all the web explanations were going over my head, yours made sense |
| 21:09.05 | Ackis | at least it's not a frog, right Torhal? |
| 21:12.06 | Semlar | xslt is more interesting |
| 21:12.40 | Semlar | it basically turns xml into html |
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| 21:13.47 | Torhal | Ackis: Indeed |
| 21:14.30 | Unkle | Heh. Remoted to home computer to start Hearthstone beta install. Because I'm a Nerd. |
| 21:14.51 | Ackis | Unkle: I did the same thing :D |
| 21:15.11 | Ackis | I also remoted from work to my PC to my wifes PC to install it on hers :D |
| 21:15.55 | Unkle | Because she would KILL you if you installed it only on your machine. |
| 21:16.55 | Ackis | actually she wouldn't give a damn, she's been playing FF 14 |
| 21:17.07 | Ackis | although she just started to get addicted to D3 on the 360 (ping pompy) |
| 21:20.16 | Arrowmaster | ive been too busy playing gta5 to start d3 on 360 |
| 21:20.29 | TC-Work | Anyone know how to get a python script to return data from an ajax call like php would? |
| 21:21.55 | zenzelezz | "like PHP would" in what sense? JSON? Or just output any data? |
| 21:22.17 | Amarande | bleh GTA 5, I don't get why everyone likes that so much |
| 21:22.23 | Semlar | aren't you just outputting text? |
| 21:22.36 | TC-Work | any data. The same query in php with an 'echo' returns fine, but in python with a 'return' or 'print' i get nothing |
| 21:22.58 | Semlar | well it has to be serving it like a web page |
| 21:24.27 | Semlar | is this on apache? |
| 21:24.43 | Amarande | Ackis: is FF14 actually as hardware-demanding as it seems like it might be? |
| 21:25.02 | Amarande | I got a pretty high score when I tried the benchmark, but I've also heard of people with dual 670's having their graphics chug during FATEs |
| 21:25.09 | TC-Work | yes |
| 21:25.12 | Amarande | and that Phenom II processors, even the Thuban, aren't really good enough |
| 21:25.14 | zenzelezz | sounds like something jleclanche at least would know |
| 21:25.24 | Amarande | basically, the impression I get is that it's pretty much the MMO equivalent to Crysis :P |
| 21:25.37 | TC-Work | Yes, lets take advice from someone who made a frog page :p |
| 21:26.19 | Semlar | are you running mod_python or something |
| 21:26.38 | Amarande | and such, that I probably shouldn't even bother giving FF14 much of a try till I at least have a Haswell, heh |
| 21:27.34 | Ackis | Amarande: no clue, I haven't touched it |
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| 21:28.07 | Amarande | or perhaps Ivy Bridge-E, but it looks like Haswell will be a little easier to work with (although not really THAT much cheaper) |
| 21:28.14 | Torhal | I remoted to my iMac to install HS. Been sitting at 65% for 10 minutes. |
| 21:28.14 | Torhal | Yay. |
| 21:28.47 | Amarande | heh, what is this Hearthstone thing exactly anyway |
| 21:29.16 | Mr_Rabies | basically a modified version of the wow TCG in a digital format |
| 21:29.30 | Mr_Rabies | without trading, and with free-to-play features |
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| 21:32.41 | Amarande | Without trading ... so you get to pick and choose your cards freely (well, perhaps having to pay for some of them), or everyone has to dump $13842789324789347183 into the game potentially hoping to get the cards they want to use? :) |
| 21:33.08 | Mr_Rabies | neither, though paying will make it easier |
| 21:33.24 | Mr_Rabies | you do daily quests and stuff to unlock cards/packs, etc |
| 21:33.35 | Mr_Rabies | or you can just buy packs directly |
| 21:33.53 | foxlit | psst, http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cze/hex-mmo-trading-card-game |
| 21:34.07 | Amarande | I mean, do you get any kind of control over what comes out of the packs, or are we talking everything basically works like the Cartel packs from SW:TOR |
| 21:34.14 | Amarande | except that you can't trade your unwanteds for others', of course |
| 21:34.24 | Mr_Rabies | they're like buying booster packs for a real card game |
| 21:34.26 | Amarande | tries to imagine what SW:TOR would be like if you couldn't trade your cartel pack dregs *shudder* |
| 21:34.31 | Mr_Rabies | i think you can do some stuff with your unwanteds |
| 21:34.35 | Mr_Rabies | like disenchant them or something |
| 21:34.37 | Mr_Rabies | haven't played much |
| 21:34.45 | Mr_Rabies | to build more cards or decks or something |
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| 21:37.24 | TC-Work_ | nvm, it lied. It worked |
| 21:37.29 | TC-Work_ | s/it/i/ |
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| 21:43.23 | karl_w_w | yes you D/E your unwanted cards |
| 21:43.32 | karl_w_w | and use the dust to craft other cards |
| 21:44.42 | karl_w_w | blizzard's reasoning was they wanted your unwanted pissy little cards to be worth something (instead of untradable junk cos every1 has them already) so that opening packs is never a completely disappointing experience |
| 21:46.08 | Amarande | heh, now if only Yu-Gi-Oh World Championship 2010 worked that way |
| 21:46.30 | Amarande | because not only can't you trade with other players that I'm aware of, but about 85% or so (probably a low estimate) of Yu-Gi-Oh cards are completely useless :P |
| 21:47.03 | Amarande | I don't just mean "of only limited usefulness" like, say, your average run of the mill 1/1 Magic creature with no special effect, I mean "there is no point to these cards but to use them to light your BBQ" |
| 21:47.12 | Amarande | (except you can't light your BBQ with virtual cards from the DS, heh) |
| 21:47.36 | Amarande | well, maybe you could, but you'd end up like those bookburners in that xkcd :) |
| 21:48.26 | TC-Work_ | karl_w_w: That's a joke right? |
| 21:51.03 | karl_w_w | none of it is TC-Work_, but why? |
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| 21:57.07 | TC-Work_ | karl_w_w: so it would seem. I actually find it odd, since bliiz likes to promote user interaction. |
| 22:00.12 | karl_w_w | not in HS it seems. the only interaction is 6 preset chat message (and realid/btag chat with friends) |
| 22:00.37 | karl_w_w | s/ge/ges/ |
| 22:03.50 | foxlit | http://www.warcraftui.com/ << pretty! |
| 22:05.08 | Unkle | Someone needs to start "Pimp My UI" |
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| 22:07.52 | foxlit | surely it's "Pimp My WeakAuras" by now |
| 22:08.49 | Amarande | I guess the presumption is that if you have HS you probably have another Blizzard game too, so you can socially interact there? heh |
| 22:09.27 | Amarande | one less chat room for them to have to regulate Anal spam in :P |
| 22:09.58 | Amarande | although oddly enough I don't remember that particular irritation catching on in D3, it seems to have mostly been a WoW confined thing |
| 22:10.06 | Amarande | Light if I know how it got started in WoW either :S |
| 22:12.02 | Unkle | Oh, Canada - http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/10/brazil-slams-canada-over-new-metadata-spying-allegations/ |
| 22:12.59 | Ressy | They should;ve been looking into the Election Fraud, and digging up illegal donations moved by CPC officials to other countries, and not reported on. |
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| 22:17.32 | Unkle | And the mayor smoking crack? |
| 22:17.44 | Unkle | Ford? |
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| 22:18.37 | Ressy | They hired a plane to follow his friends. |
| 22:18.41 | Ressy | just arrested one of his dealers... |
| 22:18.51 | Ressy | Its all messed up |
| 22:19.09 | Torhal | press-gangs Ressy into office. |
| 22:19.11 | Unkle | Ahhh - the wonders of the modern age. |
| 22:19.41 | Ressy | Torhal: Would never happen. Rogers, Bell, etc would be begging for mercy. |
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| 22:21.53 | Torhal | :D |
| 22:28.53 | Amarande | Ressy: CPC ... don't you mean CBC? |
| 22:29.04 | Amarande | I think they were talking about the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, not the Communist Party of Canada :) |
| 22:42.57 | Ressy | Amarande: CPC = Conservative Party of Canada |
| 22:43.08 | Amarande | ah, heh |
| 22:49.10 | Gnarfoz | probably closely related to PCP |
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| 23:19.01 | Arrowmaster | gta5 market is down again isnt it |
| 23:21.13 | TC-Work_ | it's kinda sad I can transfer data 5x as fast over my internal work network than I can between HDD's in my own computer. |
| 23:21.36 | TC-Work | I feel that there is something wrong with this setup. |
| 23:22.52 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 23:23.07 | Amarande | Hmm. |
| 23:23.22 | Amarande | It's not just because transferring between HDD's takes into account drive write times, while the network transfer speed might not, necessarily? |
| 23:23.43 | Amarande | depending on whether the data is first transmitted into a buffer or is written to the drive immediately, I suppose |
| 23:24.12 | Arrowmaster | its double the local I/O when between drives |
| 23:24.56 | Arrowmaster | storage and network are on different I/O buses (not a great or accurate explanation but it will do) |
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| 23:31.54 | TC-Work | I understand how it all works. My point is that there is a dissociation between technologies. |
| 23:43.24 | Primer | Some dude has managed to craft a Sky Golem already |
| 23:43.28 | Primer | has it up in the AH for 250k |
| 23:48.06 | Primer | on Frostmourne Oceanic |
| 23:53.50 | TC-Work | http://gizmodo.com/the-price-of-500mb-of-mobile-data-across-the-world-1442047579 uhg |
| 23:53.52 | TC-Work | ugh* |
