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| 01:09.49 | Ressy | Looks like Blizz removed the 'invite' requirement of BDA. |
| 01:09.52 | Ressy | https://twitter.com/CM_Zarhym/status/366002356401344513 |
| 01:10.03 | Ressy | tis open beta now. |
| 01:23.45 | Shirik | neat *snaps picture* |
| 01:25.12 | Shirik | damnit blizzard |
| 01:25.15 | Shirik | you screwed up |
| 01:25.32 | Shirik | it's possible for someone to determine if my password is correct without having access to my authenticator |
| 01:49.21 | MysticalOS | that's been that way for a LONG time, and it was complained about |
| 01:49.37 | MysticalOS | happens with diablo 3 and BDA |
| 01:49.44 | MysticalOS | wow doesn't do that |
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| 02:18.31 | Neffi | tyuto[' |
| 02:24.01 | bleeter | BBC World Service: Confessions of a gamer: From China to Iran, what lies behind the appeal of computer war games? http://bbc.in/192yzcG |
| 02:27.22 | Iriel | "confessions" ? |
| 02:29.51 | Stanzilla | someone posted that battle.net beta is now public beta? |
| 02:29.55 | Stanzilla | fake I guess |
| 02:30.02 | Stanzilla | oh |
| 02:30.05 | Stanzilla | Ressy already posted it |
| 02:30.23 | Stanzilla | but that tweet was removed |
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| 02:31.39 | Mr_Rabies | perhaps a last minute hiccup or them deciding that end-of-the-day on friday is a terrible time to unleash that |
| 02:31.59 | Ressy | Probably was getting it ready, and didn't expect someone to leak the link. |
| 02:33.09 | Stanzilla | Ressy: zarhym's tweet is gone |
| 02:33.16 | Ressy | yup. I see that. |
| 02:34.03 | bleeter | Iriel: well the journo talking about the people in iran playing BF3 as americans on iranian soil, at least |
| 02:34.27 | Ressy | Looks like a fansite that posted about it, deleted the link as well. |
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| 03:01.36 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/0KV83.png |
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| 03:34.02 | Semlar | you can enable class colors for enemy nameplates but not friendly ones? |
| 03:36.22 | Semlar | oO |
| 03:38.38 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 03:47.00 | Mr_Rabies | huh, weird antialiasing bug |
| 03:47.21 | Mr_Rabies | if you set it above 1x in DX9 the game crashes on exit |
| 03:47.34 | Mr_Rabies | took me forever to find the cause of that |
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| 05:21.59 | Thunder_Child_ | rains on Shirik |
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| 06:21.19 | karl_w_w | http://whatculture.com/gaming/saints-row-iv-edition-to-cost-1-million.php yay saints row? |
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| 06:43.53 | karl_w_w | desktop client seems to be in open beta |
| 06:53.43 | bluipodcow | Why you say that? |
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| 08:05.14 | Fisker | why you bluipodcow ? |
| 08:05.28 | bluipodcow | Idunno |
| 08:08.27 | Fisker | [03:09:49] <Ressy> Looks like Blizz removed the 'invite' requirement of BDA. |
| 08:08.27 | Fisker | [03:09:52] <Ressy> https://twitter.com/CM_Zarhym/status/366002356401344513 |
| 08:08.27 | Fisker | [03:10:03] <Ressy> tis open beta now. |
| 08:08.28 | Fisker | btw |
| 08:09.40 | bluipodcow | Yeah I finds it on reddit |
| 08:09.53 | Fisker | want a ban though bluipodcow ? |
| 08:09.53 | bluipodcow | Then found the mmo champ thread |
| 08:10.02 | bluipodcow | I dunno lol |
| 08:11.41 | Mr_Rabies | i doubt they're gonna ban people for using their beta client when they said it was okay |
| 08:12.21 | bluipodcow | Well they do get flagged when they download it |
| 08:12.49 | bluipodcow | And the testing agreement says only to test if yr flagged so ...... |
| 08:13.16 | bluipodcow | I mean when they use it to log in |
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| 08:17.14 | Mr_Rabies | it seems like it's probably gonna break the heck out of launching bnet games through steam once it's fully implemented |
| 08:17.16 | Mr_Rabies | but i guess we'll see |
| 08:17.43 | Mr_Rabies | since it'll replace each game's individual launcher |
| 08:19.25 | Mr_Rabies | wow, it's snazzy as heck |
| 08:19.51 | Mr_Rabies | i was expecting it to be bogged down and sluggish watching the preview, with all those menu animations and the super smooth text |
| 08:20.06 | Mr_Rabies | but no, it's responsive as heck |
| 08:20.32 | Fisker | doesn't change anything |
| 08:21.39 | VIad | won't they allow you to launch the game executable directly like now? |
| 08:21.55 | Fisker | yes |
| 08:22.02 | VIad | so no problem |
| 08:22.45 | Fisker | yep |
| 08:23.21 | VIad | good game with navi yesterday (before I fainted into bed :P) |
| 08:23.27 | VIad | if anyone saw it on dota2 |
| 08:24.32 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, but hotfixes and stuff do weird things if you launch directly through the exe, vlad |
| 08:25.04 | Mr_Rabies | i guess if you leave the bnet client running it'll auto-apply client-side hotfixes, though |
| 08:25.13 | Fisker | exactly |
| 08:25.59 | VIad | could just have the background downloader launch and the game to tell you something about updating/downloading stuff and forcing you to wait ~minutes or what ever |
| 08:26.07 | Mr_Rabies | instead it like |
| 08:26.11 | Mr_Rabies | tries to manually download the patch |
| 08:26.14 | Mr_Rabies | and things go totally nutso |
| 08:26.39 | Mr_Rabies | sometimes it bugs out and won't let you install the hotfix without deleting the update in the update folder first |
| 08:26.43 | Mr_Rabies | it's....weird |
| 08:26.51 | VIad | alpha/beta? |
| 08:27.11 | Mr_Rabies | release |
| 08:27.32 | VIad | oh |
| 08:27.34 | VIad | didn't know |
| 08:28.54 | VIad | weird, the wow launcher didn't auto update to the bnet client |
| 08:29.08 | Mr_Rabies | it won't until it's officially released |
| 08:29.21 | VIad | so it's not released |
| 08:29.36 | Mr_Rabies | while it's still a beta it'll stay optional |
| 08:29.49 | Mr_Rabies | it'll probably come out with 5.4 since they're going to open beta so soon |
| 08:29.49 | VIad | so it's in beta :P |
| 08:30.15 | Mr_Rabies | i assumed you were asking about what we were talking about since you didn't mention the bnet client anywhere in your alpha/beta question |
| 08:30.26 | Mr_Rabies | you just said alpha/beta? |
| 08:30.31 | VIad | we are talking about the bnet client aren't we? |
| 08:30.41 | karl_w_w | .:Mr_Rabies:. i guess if you leave the bnet client running it'll auto-apply client-side hotfixes, though <- if you're leaving it running why would you launch through steam anyway? |
| 08:30.57 | Mr_Rabies | overlay, screenshots, etc |
| 08:31.12 | karl_w_w | I see |
| 08:31.21 | karl_w_w | well that translates to "no reason" for me |
| 08:31.26 | Mr_Rabies | the steam overlay is awesome |
| 08:31.39 | karl_w_w | if you like pointless things? :P |
| 08:31.40 | Mr_Rabies | as is steam's implementation of screenshots |
| 08:31.42 | VIad | it has a clock, a slow browser and your steam friends that don't play wow! |
| 08:31.46 | Mr_Rabies | how is it pointless? |
| 08:31.53 | Mr_Rabies | it's got chat, a web browser, clock, etc |
| 08:32.03 | Mr_Rabies | gameplay timer |
| 08:32.20 | karl_w_w | my computer has a better web browser, wow has a clock, and chat |
| 08:32.35 | VIad | wow also stores screenshots in your desired format in a folder |
| 08:33.00 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, but steam uploads them to your steam community profile in like, two clicks |
| 08:33.22 | VIad | sure but, it's wow, who'd wanna see your screenshots of loot and stuff? :/ |
| 08:33.35 | Mr_Rabies | the overlay is awesome, i can't understand why anyone would consider it useless |
| 08:33.45 | VIad | it's not useless, but not mandatory either :3 |
| 08:33.48 | Mr_Rabies | why take screenshots if you're not gonna share them? |
| 08:33.49 | karl_w_w | what do I need a gaming profile for? :P |
| 08:33.59 | VIad | karl_w_w: to show your friends stuff |
| 08:34.08 | Mr_Rabies | that's a bad argument, karl_w_w |
| 08:34.21 | karl_w_w | I don't see why |
| 08:34.30 | karl_w_w | I don't play games to show off |
| 08:34.50 | VIad | I always post game achievements on my facebook profile |
| 08:34.50 | Mr_Rabies | "why do i need ___" is a pretty meaningless phrase in a post-scarcity society |
| 08:34.58 | Mr_Rabies | and we've been in one of those since before video games were a thing |
| 08:35.17 | karl_w_w | ok then, s/need/want/ |
| 08:35.31 | Mr_Rabies | because steam's community features are pretty neat |
| 08:35.41 | Mr_Rabies | if you'd rather be antisocial i guess that's cool too |
| 08:36.01 | VIad | I don't think my friends really look at my activity wall though |
| 08:36.11 | Mr_Rabies | get cooler friends |
| 08:36.12 | VIad | they usually just use the client to launch the games |
| 08:36.16 | karl_w_w | I can be social in the game |
| 08:36.22 | karl_w_w | where it makes a difference |
| 08:36.34 | Mr_Rabies | so you only play one game? |
| 08:36.35 | karl_w_w | I don't need Facebookforgames |
| 08:37.50 | VIad | I agree it's nice to take pictures with steam and upload them, but, wow is old/known and I doubt I can find something to take a picture of that I wanna show to my friends, they usually think it's boring now :P |
| 08:38.22 | Mr_Rabies | again 1) why take screenshots if you're not gonna share them and 2) get better friends |
| 08:38.59 | karl_w_w | if you don't have a reason to take screenshots then you don't take them |
| 08:39.08 | karl_w_w | not sure what your point is there |
| 08:39.39 | Mr_Rabies | then who cares if you can upload them or not if you don't take them |
| 08:39.46 | karl_w_w | exactly |
| 08:39.57 | Mr_Rabies | just because you're antisocial doesn't mean everyone is :p |
| 08:40.16 | karl_w_w | I don't see what is social about screenshots tbh |
| 08:40.18 | VIad | I take pictures for myself :P |
| 08:40.35 | VIad | either to upload on wowhead (bad/missing picture) or just nostalgia for the future |
| 08:40.41 | karl_w_w | the only people who are going to care about wow are people who have seen pretty much everything in the game already |
| 08:40.41 | VIad | but usually not worth showing others |
| 08:41.22 | Mr_Rabies | photos are generally social objects |
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| 08:41.31 | karl_w_w | but they aren't photos |
| 08:41.35 | Mr_Rabies | sure they are |
| 08:41.58 | Mr_Rabies | a virtual camera in a virtual world is hardly different than a real camera in a real world |
| 08:42.04 | karl_w_w | photos are unique |
| 08:42.23 | Mr_Rabies | screenshots are just as unique |
| 08:42.34 | bluipodcow | Background downloaded doesn't exist anymore |
| 08:42.42 | karl_w_w | except they aren't, anybody can go to the same place and take the same screenshot |
| 08:42.48 | bluipodcow | It's all Agent.exe now |
| 08:43.14 | Mr_Rabies | anyone can go to the same place and take the same photo, too, karl_w_w |
| 08:43.31 | Semlar | i'm with rabies |
| 08:43.39 | karl_w_w | except conditions in the real world change |
| 08:44.01 | Mr_Rabies | conditions in virtual worlds change too |
| 08:44.03 | karl_w_w | and it's a lot harder to travel places in the real world |
| 08:44.22 | Mr_Rabies | especially always online ones with people populating them |
| 08:45.04 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, the real world is more dynamic, because the virtual world is still a fledgling in comparison |
| 08:45.15 | Mr_Rabies | but nonetheless the virtual world is not static |
| 08:46.45 | karl_w_w | except it is |
| 08:47.33 | Mr_Rabies | i disagree |
| 08:47.33 | karl_w_w | i can take a holiday in darnassus and make a photo album and it'll be no different to how it was a decade ago |
| 08:47.55 | VIad | did you take a photo a decade ago? |
| 08:48.05 | karl_w_w | no, but somebody else did |
| 08:48.06 | VIad | if not, take one now! |
| 08:48.19 | Mr_Rabies | how about a holiday in the barrens with your friends in 2005 |
| 08:48.25 | Mr_Rabies | can you retake that today? |
| 08:48.28 | VIad | sure but if you take one and keep it in your private collection, you can look at it and remember personal stuff :P |
| 08:48.55 | Semlar | quite frankly locations in the game probably change more often than locations in the real world |
| 08:49.03 | Mr_Rabies | and have it be exactly the same photo? |
| 08:49.11 | Semlar | either way this is a stupid argument |
| 08:49.15 | VIad | Semlar: not sure if I can agree with that :P |
| 08:49.16 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, it really is |
| 08:49.25 | karl_w_w | that's a personal consideration |
| 08:49.38 | karl_w_w | why are other people going to care if you have a photo from 2005? |
| 08:49.41 | Mr_Rabies | "I'm not a social person, therefore social features are bad" |
| 08:49.53 | karl_w_w | I didn't say they were bad |
| 08:50.23 | Mr_Rabies | because maybe your friends and you were exploring the barrens in 2005, your friend got shipped off to afghanistan and got too injured to play wow anymore |
| 08:50.25 | Mr_Rabies | for example |
| 08:50.33 | Mr_Rabies | perhaps they want to remember the good times |
| 08:52.43 | karl_w_w | I don't see how a steam community profile is necessary for that |
| 08:52.54 | Mr_Rabies | it's not, but it's all in one place |
| 08:53.07 | Mr_Rabies | there are many things with similar features, but steam's implementation is really nice and centralized |
| 08:54.52 | Mr_Rabies | I can't ever retake this screenshot, because the guild fell apart, several people here have canceled their subs or transferred, but myself and some of my friends want to remember our first time seeing FL ragnaros, and steam's implementation is perfect for that |
| 08:54.56 | Mr_Rabies | http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=101500 |
| 08:56.17 | Mr_Rabies | we accidentally killed a boss on our first attempt and were woefully underprepared for ragnaros, none of us had any clue what to expect |
| 08:56.39 | Mr_Rabies | and yet we pulled him and got him to like 50% |
| 08:56.40 | Semlar | i hate accidentally succeeding |
| 08:56.50 | Mr_Rabies | that's something i want to remember, and some of my friends feel the same way |
| 08:57.18 | Mr_Rabies | that itself is enough to justify "needing steam community" to me |
| 08:58.16 | Mr_Rabies | it's neat, it implements just enough social networking features to interact with people you don't know IRL but still consider friends |
| 08:59.06 | Mr_Rabies | it's woefully wrong to call something that you personally see no purpose in "useless" |
| 08:59.31 | karl_w_w | now you're just quoting selectively |
| 08:59.33 | Mr_Rabies | perhaps it's useless to you, but who cares, thousands of people use it every day to its fullest extent |
| 09:00.16 | Mr_Rabies | well, you said pointless, sorry |
| 09:01.02 | karl_w_w | .:karl_w_w:. well that translates to "no reason" for me |
| 09:01.15 | karl_w_w | critical words "for me" |
| 09:01.46 | bluipodcow | *licks karl_w_w * |
| 09:01.53 | Semlar | that's unsanitary |
| 09:02.17 | Mr_Rabies | well yeah, but why bother telling people if it's pointless for you, it just seems like you're trying to start an argument |
| 09:02.22 | karl_w_w | anyway, to bring this back to the original point, I don't think making it a little easier to upload the occasional screenshot to steam is more convenient than being able to log in without having to type in your password every time you play |
| 09:03.31 | Mr_Rabies | i agree there, but as long as you can launch the game through the exe, the bnet client is actually better than the current solution, after some thought |
| 09:04.22 | Mr_Rabies | theoretically, if you can't, for whatever reason, then yeah, that sucks and i'd rather they find a way to have the overlay and the bnet client work together |
| 09:04.42 | Mr_Rabies | as of now you can and it automatically installs hotfixes as necessary if you leave the client open |
| 09:05.31 | Mr_Rabies | if the full implementation ever requires the client to actually launch the game, it'll most likely break the overlay, which would suck |
| 09:05.53 | Mr_Rabies | that's just speculation and is probably an issue best addressed if it ever happens, though |
| 09:06.22 | Mr_Rabies | they sorta broke the overlay with the streaming launcher, before, but only somewhat |
| 09:06.53 | Mr_Rabies | used to, they seemed to design the client around the steam overlay so you could launch the client through steam, hit play, and it still say you're playing wow and keep the overlay for the game |
| 09:07.20 | Mr_Rabies | now, it seems to only work properly if you launch wow.exe or wow-64.exe straight through steam |
| 09:07.54 | Mr_Rabies | not that big of a deal but you run into weirdness if you launch the game straight through the exe sometimes |
| 09:09.12 | Mr_Rabies | either way, apologies if i was a jerk, karl_w_w, i try not to be but i get passionate when i disagree with people |
| 09:09.51 | Mr_Rabies | i try to rein it in, but i'm not exactly classically trained in debating |
| 09:09.57 | Mr_Rabies | i just get in internet arguments a lot |
| 09:10.32 | Mr_Rabies | the last like 15 lines are me talking to myself so i'm gonna go to bed yeehaw 5am still awake |
| 09:10.45 | bluipodcow | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:10.59 | Mr_Rabies | gives bluipodcow a carrot |
| 09:11.14 | Mr_Rabies | do cows eat carrots? what about space cows? |
| 09:11.50 | Mr_Rabies | i mostly know about horses since our neighbors have them, and carrots seem to be the go-to treat for friendly horses hanging out at our fence |
| 09:11.53 | karl_w_w | what we need |
| 09:12.06 | karl_w_w | is for steam to be able to apply the overlay without launching the game through steam |
| 09:12.13 | karl_w_w | seems obvious :P |
| 09:12.44 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, but really launching the game through steam is just launching the game, then launching the overlay with a script to stay attached to that process |
| 09:13.29 | Mr_Rabies | it seems okay with process hopping with the old wow client, but the streaming one seems to show as an entirely different process |
| 09:13.40 | Mr_Rabies | er, wow launcher |
| 09:13.50 | bluipodcow | *no |
| 09:13.55 | karl_w_w | yeah cos I think it's agent that launches wow now |
| 09:14.01 | karl_w_w | or no |
| 09:14.08 | bluipodcow | *noms carrot* |
| 09:14.28 | karl_w_w | the launcher in the wow folder does nothing but run the blizzard launcher in your appdata |
| 09:14.35 | bluipodcow | Yep |
| 09:14.51 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i don't expect them to keep the steam client in mind, but it seems like they used to |
| 09:15.14 | Mr_Rabies | just like i don't really expect them to do stuff like support wine, etc |
| 09:15.42 | Mr_Rabies | or whatever it takes to play wow through linux nowadays |
| 09:16.02 | Mr_Rabies | it makes a lot of sense to do so but by no means is it required to keep supporting it |
| 09:16.07 | Semlar | sacrificing a goat |
| 09:17.08 | Mr_Rabies | they do have a lot of customers who exclusively play through linux, especially the addon developers, so it does make sense, but it is expensive enough to keep support rolling with each patch, i'd imagine |
| 09:18.57 | bluipodcow | :( |
| 09:19.07 | bluipodcow | I not for sacrificing ! |
| 09:20.27 | Mr_Rabies | hmm |
| 09:20.46 | Fisker | hey bluipodcow |
| 09:20.53 | Mr_Rabies | where is the launcher stored in appdata? wonder if i can run that one directly |
| 09:23.22 | Mr_Rabies | oh right |
| 09:23.24 | Mr_Rabies | programdata |
| 09:23.28 | Mr_Rabies | i was checking %appdata% |
| 09:25.24 | Mr_Rabies | eh, looks like it makes a new folder every time the agent updates, ah well |
| 09:25.49 | Mr_Rabies | the new bnet client means that the streaming launcher will go the way of the dodo anyway |
| 09:35.05 | bluipodcow | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:35.18 | bluipodcow | It's agent that does the streaming |
| 09:35.38 | bluipodcow | That isn't changing much , just a new version of it |
| 09:39.21 | bleeter | almost time to cook! |
| 09:40.01 | karl_w_w | roasts bleeter |
| 09:40.17 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies: only need SDL to use Steam on Linux... well... it's a good start anyways |
| 09:41.45 | bleeter | wait hang on I misread |
| 09:42.03 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, but it does automatically patch and can stay running in the system tray, bluipodcow |
| 09:42.50 | Mr_Rabies | instead of having to be relaunched to patch, etc |
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| 16:29.50 | Shirik | TIL Word doesn't know how to count |
| 16:32.21 | zenzelezz | yeah, it doesn't excel in that area |
| 16:32.28 | Shirik | thwacks zenzelezz |
| 16:32.32 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 16:32.35 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 16:32.40 | Fisker | i read something funny |
| 16:32.43 | Shirik | http://gyazo.com/15f365affe33958245caee9615a47f7e |
| 16:32.46 | Shirik | explain why 3 words |
| 16:32.47 | Shirik | ty |
| 16:33.21 | Fisker | "-" obviously a word |
| 16:33.22 | Fisker | sry |
| 16:34.14 | Fisker | someone said that todays computers couldn't handle 1Gbit |
| 16:34.16 | Fisker | i lol'd |
| 16:34.20 | Bluspacekiwi | *gasp* |
| 16:34.26 | Bluspacekiwi | mattymattymatty mat mat |
| 16:34.32 | Bluspacekiwi | i finds Shirik's name ! |
| 16:34.57 | Fisker | stop it Bluspacekiwi |
| 16:35.02 | Fisker | so old |
| 16:35.03 | Shirik | um |
| 16:35.03 | zenzelezz | don't think he's tried to keep it secret |
| 16:35.09 | Bluspacekiwi | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:35.10 | Shirik | just /whois Shirik |
| 16:35.10 | Fisker | even i know it |
| 16:35.15 | Fisker | and i didn't even try to stalk him |
| 16:35.33 | Fisker | my name > Shirik's though |
| 16:35.42 | Shirik | or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Shirik/Secure_communications |
| 16:35.58 | zenzelezz | I wouldn't redirect your name into Shirik's, that kind of rude |
| 16:36.18 | Fisker | i'll redirect my penis into Shirik if i want to |
| 16:36.21 | Fisker | hello |
| 16:36.39 | Fisker | remember when some shill gave me a warning for having a bit of fun with you Shirik ? |
| 16:43.14 | VIad | Shirik: hmm |
| 16:43.29 | VIad | can you do this without having a cert? |
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| 16:44.23 | VIad | I made my own but the problem is that the certificate information isn't easy to update in the future, so if I make a new one everyone have to re-authenticate me, or not? |
| 16:44.56 | Shirik | usually the way you pass off signatures is by giving a level 3 signature to your new one |
| 16:45.28 | Shirik | sorry I meant level 5 |
| 16:45.43 | Shirik | no I was right the first time |
| 16:45.44 | Shirik | level 3 |
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| 16:45.59 | Shirik | fu pgp and being all complicated and shit |
| 16:46.12 | Fisker | lets just go plaintext |
| 16:46.21 | Fisker | nsa reads it anyway |
| 16:46.36 | VIad | actually on the contrary, Fisker |
| 16:46.49 | Fisker | it's obama isn't it? |
| 16:47.25 | Shirik | nsa doesn't read it unless it's encrypted |
| 16:47.29 | Shirik | so you should plaintext |
| 16:47.41 | Shirik | plaintext is the new encrypted |
| 16:48.01 | Fisker | we could just go over to texting language |
| 16:48.11 | Fisker | that's even better than plaintext |
| 16:48.29 | VIad | can't find it, but I read an article about police having to ask people that use PGP to reveal their password so they can read their mails :P |
| 16:48.51 | VIad | in a way PGP forces government and others to ask you for access, rather than just reading your stuff behind your back |
| 16:49.11 | fewyn | i already hate the durumu encounter |
| 16:49.23 | kd3|hate`net | having issues with the maze? |
| 16:49.34 | fewyn | died to lazer beams on first attempt |
| 16:52.42 | zenzelezz | "issues with the maze"... somehow that made me think of our struggle with the weapons phase when learning Kael'thas back in BC |
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| 16:55.44 | Neffi | ESO's looking pretty great |
| 16:56.11 | Neffi | Apparently we'll get a Lua environment and API for the user interface |
| 16:56.23 | fewyn | that's about the only good thing i've seen in eso |
| 16:56.44 | Neffi | If you enjoy the TES style, I can't see why |
| 16:56.47 | Neffi | It's shaping up well |
| 16:57.00 | karl_w_w | http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/man-charged-with-murdering-mcdonald8217s-colleague-in-the-toilets-of-a-sydney-fast-food-restaurant/story-fnii5s3y-1226694871567 wtf |
| 16:57.12 | karl_w_w | why are the details of this story repeated over and over |
| 17:01.40 | jleclanche | https://www.google.com/finance?cid=MSFT |
| 17:01.44 | jleclanche | is this page broken for anyone else? |
| 17:01.54 | kd3 | yup |
| 17:02.04 | jleclanche | someone without https everywhere i meant |
| 17:02.41 | nevcairiel | yes its broken |
| 17:02.44 | Neffi | No https: everywhere here, but the page loads https by default, probably because I'm logged in |
| 17:02.53 | Neffi | going to http loads the https, which is still broken |
| 17:03.08 | nevcairiel | using another browser with pure http is also broken |
| 17:04.10 | jleclanche | thanks |
| 17:05.00 | Fisker | my request couldn't be processed :( |
| 17:05.08 | Fisker | is microsoft in that deep shit? |
| 17:06.40 | nebula169 | cid should be a number not the symbol? ie cid=358464 works fine, as does q=MSFT |
| 17:06.59 | Fisker | bam |
| 17:10.42 | phelps | use ?q for symbols |
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| 18:00.26 | Benalish | Hi |
| 18:00.46 | Benalish | anyone know LibBars-1.0? |
| 18:03.12 | kd3 | that sounds like an ace thing... you may want to check out #wowace |
| 18:04.54 | Neffi | Benalish: "Last update: Dec 13, 2011" |
| 18:04.59 | Neffi | I wouldn't use them in production |
| 18:05.08 | Stanzilla | antiarc project :p |
| 18:05.52 | Benalish | o.o |
| 18:07.16 | Benalish | Something similar? |
| 18:07.43 | Neffi | Recount uses LibGraph-2.0 |
| 18:07.46 | Neffi | Look into that maybe |
| 18:07.47 | Stanzilla | LibCandyBar 3.0 |
| 18:07.53 | Stanzilla | if you want bars |
| 18:08.13 | Benalish | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:08.28 | Neffi | Or just write your own. Bars are not difficult whatsoever to write |
| 18:08.53 | Stanzilla | there is also LibSpecializedBars 1.0 in Skada |
| 18:09.00 | Stanzilla | it's a fork of LibBars |
| 18:10.09 | Benalish | I was looking for something that would create timer |
| 18:10.38 | Shirik | Who the fuck makes a virus scanner that asks you what you want to do, and doesn't offer a "don't do anything you're being stupid" option? |
| 18:11.41 | Torhal | Seerah: http://www.feistees.com/ <-- I'm sorry. Someone did it to me! |
| 18:11.41 | Neffi | Shirik: Who the hell uses a virus scanner that's that bad? |
| 18:12.03 | zenzelezz | Shirik: which one is that? |
| 18:12.05 | Neffi | Benalish: You're better off writing the logic yourself |
| 18:12.17 | Shirik | Neffi: People that are forced to |
| 18:12.20 | Shirik | zenzelezz: f-secure |
| 18:12.29 | Seerah | Torhal: ohhh |
| 18:12.41 | Neffi | If somebody creates a library with the specific intention of it creating bars based on timers, I'm not going to trust them as a developer. That's not the job of a library, it's the job of your code. |
| 18:13.11 | Neffi | Timers are very easy. AceTimer if you use Ace. Or just use an OnUpdate. |
| 18:15.54 | Neffi | Also I don't think it's extreme to say a lot of virus scanners, anti-malware, and "security" applications should rightly be themselves categorized as malware |
| 18:16.00 | Neffi | And even more as simply crapware |
| 18:17.00 | Neffi | A lot of them slow the computer down, make basic tasks cumbersome, and are impossible or overly difficult to remove -- not to mention not actually doing their job well or at all. They might not have malicious intent, but they definitely pose a malign risk to the usability of the computer. |
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| 18:20.30 | Shirik | while looking for advice on how to deal with this, I find this: |
| 18:20.32 | Shirik | Could you elaborate? Where is this "Tray icon", where do I click? And how do I make this allowed in policy? |
| 18:20.32 | Shirik | I'm using Hijackthis to remove some bad stuff from my computer, and F-sec musn't interfere with the program. |
| 18:20.46 | Shirik | those two lines should never be stated by the same person |
| 18:22.37 | Neffi | Part of me is glad that 90% of programs are so fucking horrible |
| 18:22.56 | Neffi | It's job security to somebody like me, who fixes computers for side cash while I starve through college |
| 18:24.51 | Neffi | bahaha http://i.imgur.com/h9J0B.png |
| 18:25.16 | kd3 | oh gods |
| 18:25.46 | kd3 | someone failed basic physics |
| 18:26.54 | Shirik | what |
| 18:26.56 | Shirik | why would you do that |
| 18:27.43 | Neffi | The mechanics' forum version of "delete system32" |
| 18:38.12 | Fisker | well it technically gets more traction? |
| 18:46.58 | Seerah | hehehe |
| 19:02.19 | Gnarfoz | what's that about? |
| 19:02.24 | Gnarfoz | welding up gears? oO |
| 19:07.46 | Benalish | statusbar can register "OnUpdate" event? |
| 19:09.06 | zenzelezz | think any frame can |
| 19:13.43 | jleclanche | holy shit |
| 19:13.50 | jleclanche | why did nobody tell me dexter has been running since June |
| 19:13.58 | jleclanche | Oh I love this world |
| 19:14.57 | Neffi | Benalish: Any frame can register OnUpdate. Eg, if it's created with CreateFrame, regardless of type. Only Texture and FontString objects cannot have OnUpdate |
| 19:15.34 | nebula169 | <Benalish> LibCandyBar 3.0 is not very customizable uh. what? it creates a bar for you, after it's created you can style the frame however you want |
| 19:19.14 | zenzelezz | jleclanche: it has? :-o |
| 19:19.19 | jleclanche | zenzelezz: 30th of june |
| 19:19.24 | jleclanche | its on its 6th episode from s8 |
| 19:19.28 | zenzelezz | damnit, no-one told me either |
| 19:19.30 | jleclanche | and it airs the same days as breaking bad |
| 19:19.34 | jleclanche | WHICH AIRS TOMORROW! <3 |
| 19:19.37 | zenzelezz | my brother is supposed to be on top of these things |
| 19:19.38 | nebula169 | !! |
| 19:20.18 | nebula169 | my rss downloader is suppose to be on top of these things |
| 19:21.48 | nebula169 | this is the last season of dexter isn't it? |
| 19:22.18 | jleclanche | yep |
| 19:22.57 | zenzelezz | I have trouble seeing how they could carry one beyond this one |
| 19:23.06 | zenzelezz | I'm tempted to read the books it was originally based on |
| 19:23.28 | Neffi | Dexter becomes a lovable children's character who engages the audience with song and dance |
| 19:24.33 | Humbedooh | unless it's the relaunch of Dexter's Laboratory, I've no interest in it :C |
| 19:24.45 | jleclanche | zenzelezz: the books are good |
| 19:25.06 | jleclanche | i got them on audio. past the first one they deviate quite a lot but stay in the same spirit, which is perfect |
| 19:25.17 | nebula169 | how close does the series follow them? ie, true blood barely follows the sookie books |
| 19:25.42 | jleclanche | first book is followed very closely |
| 19:25.47 | jleclanche | they deviate more and more each book |
| 19:25.56 | jleclanche | but its quite alright tbh |
| 19:26.16 | nebula169 | i'm cool with stories diverging, different media and all that |
| 19:27.16 | zenzelezz | I feel bad saying this, but I agree |
| 19:27.22 | zenzelezz | I feel bad because I can not forgive Jackson for LOTR |
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| 19:27.48 | zenzelezz | the films were great, don't get me wrong |
| 19:28.08 | Neffi | Meh, LOTR was actually a pretty good adaption |
| 19:28.21 | Neffi | They stuck closer than can be expected, and were still excellent where deviated |
| 19:29.00 | zenzelezz | for just about any other book, I'd be more forgiving. LOTR has just had a special part of my life |
| 19:29.01 | Neffi | Granted some thing just didn't need to deviate, but then again fitting the whole of the LotR story into movies would've made a 10+, 3-hour-per-film saga |
| 19:29.21 | Neffi | Deviation needed to happen so the films could hold their own artistic merit despite being so much shorter |
| 19:29.40 | zenzelezz | I understand the need, absolutely |
| 19:29.45 | Neffi | Now The Hobbit, that's unforgiveable |
| 19:29.48 | zenzelezz | haha |
| 19:29.51 | nebula169 | yeeea |
| 19:30.17 | Neffi | On another note, I'd love to see somebody adapt Children of Hurin at least as well as LotR was adapted. I no longer trust Jackson to do it though. |
| 19:31.38 | Neffi | I doubt it'll ever happen though. It's such a dark story. |
| 19:32.13 | Neffi | In an environment where Twilight and Harry Potter are on the dark end of the spectrum, a movie like Children of Hurin just wouldn't sit well -- or sell well |
| 19:32.25 | nebula169 | never heard of it |
| 19:32.34 | Neffi | It's my favorite by Tolkien |
| 19:32.40 | Neffi | It's a very sad story. |
| 19:32.59 | Neffi | Takes place long before LotR. I'm gonna say a thousand years before, but it could be more. It's been a while since I read it |
| 19:33.32 | zenzelezz | I don't remember, is that part of Silmarillion, or Lost Tales? |
| 19:33.39 | Neffi | Nope |
| 19:33.48 | Neffi | Came out after Silmarillion. |
| 19:34.13 | zenzelezz | god I struggled with Silmarillion, but once I got going, I quite enjoyed it. Despite being confusing as heck |
| 19:34.16 | Neffi | Along with Silmarillion, it's one of the big stories Tolkien intended to make into proper novels next to LotR. His son finished it. |
| 19:34.53 | Neffi | It was in a much more complete state than Silm was, so it deviates less from its intent and is considered more "pure" Tolkien than Silmarillion -- less editorial presence by Christopher to complete the story |
| 19:36.48 | Neffi | It's also the best illustrated IMO. Painted inserts every so often, and a beautiful charcoal sketch atop every chapter. At least in the hardcover version. |
| 19:37.31 | zenzelezz | I ignored the drawings in my LotR. They were good, but just didn't match my mental images |
| 19:38.07 | Neffi | Part of why it's so great. The illustration is only every once in a while, where it makes sense. They line up very well to the writing. |
| 19:38.21 | zenzelezz | true |
| 19:38.42 | Neffi | And the sketches give a great aesthetic that I wish more fantasy books had -- or at least, had this well |
| 19:39.22 | zenzelezz | I loved Martin's "Iron Throne" post |
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| 19:39.54 | Neffi | I'm not familiar |
| 19:40.06 | zenzelezz | http://grrm.livejournal.com/327569.html |
| 19:40.16 | Neffi | I like the show enough that I wish I had read the books first. I still havent read them though. |
| 19:40.28 | zenzelezz | I always thought the GoT Iron Throne looked very unintimidating |
| 19:48.01 | zenzelezz | all right, going to give League of Legends a try together with my pal Captain Morgan. Might just be interesting together |
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| 19:59.32 | zenzelezz | "Adolf Hipster" |
| 19:59.37 | zenzelezz | I can't help but be amused |
| 20:10.12 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/IMHuQxs.jpg |
| 20:12.15 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 20:13.32 | Cairenn | lol |
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| 20:50.05 | karl_w_w | blizzard removing armory pages, super smart? |
| 20:50.28 | karl_w_w | or, more likely: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/9628912927?page=16#312 |
| 20:54.12 | zenzelezz | where did it say armory? (I only read last post and skipped to page 1 to see what it was about) |
| 20:54.15 | zenzelezz | either way it sounds odd |
| 20:57.26 | karl_w_w | character profiles |
| 20:58.01 | nebula169_ | i think it's pretty silly |
| 20:58.26 | kd3 | they're not removing the whole armory page, just the subpages listed |
| 20:58.45 | karl_w_w | which is pretty silly |
| 20:59.51 | nebula169 | if it's move involved than adding a few entries to a db and having the pages automagically created, they should look at their backend process a bit more |
| 21:01.35 | zenzelezz | kd3: in that case it seems more reasonable |
| 21:02.36 | Neffi | Maybe the reasoning is the a good chunk of page visits are only for the purposes of scraping shit, so it end up costing more in bandwidth than people are getting out of it |
| 21:03.14 | nebula169 | there's an api for all of it, though |
| 21:03.57 | kd3 | how likely are world+dog going to use the api rather than just scrape the html? |
| 21:03.59 | Neffi | Well there must be a reason. WoW's servers aren't exactly small time. I doubt they're just removing them because they can't figure out how to properly manage the backend. |
| 21:04.25 | zenzelezz | dog? |
| 21:04.47 | nebula169 | kd3: i'd rather request a json object instead of constructing my own shit with a tonne of regex |
| 21:04.56 | Neffi | On another note, if you ever come to work for Bethesda, and at that time they are still using Papyrus, do me a favor and punch the technical director in the throat |
| 21:05.19 | nebula169 | i'm sure most devs do, too |
| 21:05.28 | Neffi | It's a wonderful example of how not to make a scripting layer for a game |
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| 21:44.09 | Neffi | wtf are companies doing with these drunken-cyborg looking mice? |
| 21:44.39 | Neffi | Does anyone actually say to themselves "holy shit this gaming mouse looks like a robot prostitute. I NEED IT!" |
| 21:52.19 | Gnarfoz | mostly, it's because those are actually customizable |
| 21:52.28 | Gnarfoz | in width, length, weight |
| 21:52.50 | Gnarfoz | (height, too, for some) |
| 21:53.22 | Gnarfoz | no way to have it look like one smooth piece while also offering that |
| 21:55.07 | Neffi | Oh. That's kinda cool. |
| 21:55.27 | Neffi | I'll take a Roccat any day though. |
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| 23:02.46 | Kodiack | I overloaded '/quit' and '/exit' (is overloading the proper term here? >_>) to call ForceQuit() because I hate waiting for that timer. Is there a similar thing in the API that does this for '/camp' and '/logout'? |
| 23:03.33 | Kodiack | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/ForceLogout |
| 23:03.44 | Kodiack | That's all that I saw, so I'm assuming it's protected or something? :( |
| 23:04.30 | Kodiack | or non-public as Wowpedia puts it. Found my answer. yay searching; sorry for being a n00b |
| 23:08.58 | Semlar | Kodiack: you want to call forcequit on /camp or you want it to instantly kick you to the character select screen |
| 23:09.21 | Kodiack | Wanted it to instantly boot me to character select. Thought on it for a few more moments and realized why it wasn't public lol |
| 23:09.23 | Semlar | as far as i know there's no way to get to the character select screen |
| 23:09.53 | Kodiack | Yeah, I don't think there is. Oh well, I was able to shave another ~2 seconds between switching characters without waiting for timers. |
| 23:10.03 | Semlar | for one thing it leaves the character you were on in the game for like 20 seconds after you log out |
| 23:10.31 | Semlar | i'm sure you could exploit that somehow |
| 23:10.52 | Kodiack | Yeah, exactly. I always insta-quit as-is fully knowing that, same with logging out/camping. Makes sense that there's no function in the public API to basically put you on the title screen. |
| 23:11.31 | Kodiack | Or character screen for that matter. |
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| 23:29.57 | mikma_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/X0jwmp2 |
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| 23:40.16 | Neffi | "If nothing else, "Oblivion" will go down in film history as the movie where Tom Cruise pilots a white, sperm-shaped craft into a giant space uterus" |
| 23:40.24 | Neffi | I wish I could get paid to write movie reviews like this |
| 23:41.17 | zenzelezz | what is it the Internet would say... "still a better love story than Twilight"? |
| 23:41.40 | Neffi | haha |
| 23:44.38 | Iriel | I enjoyed Oblivion (watched it this week, in fact) |
| 23:47.14 | zenzelezz | I logged so many hours in Oblivion |
| 23:47.24 | Iriel | That too, but different oblivion 8-) |
| 23:51.31 | Neffi | Yeah, I didn't think it was half bad |
| 23:51.56 | Neffi | I mean, it's not profound or one of the great movies of the year, but the critics were insanely harsh |
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