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| 00:04.20 | kd3 | wow! the BOFH is not an operating manual... http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/07/us-agency-baffled-by-modern-technology-destroys-mice-to-get-rid-of-viruses/ |
| 00:07.34 | pompy | kd3: (7/8/2013 7:37:15 PM) Neffi__: Christ http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/07/us-agency-baffled-by-modern-technology-destroys-mice-to-get-rid-of-viruses/ ... :P |
| 00:07.49 | kd3 | >.> |
| 00:21.39 | Neffi__ | ol |
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| 00:52.58 | bigeff | Why does the Macro "/cat [target=Psyfiend] Power Word: Shield" not work as it is supposed to if Psyfiend is active? |
| 00:54.24 | Sliker | pretty sure you can't @ target by name unless they're in your party or something |
| 00:54.28 | Sliker | asdjhaslkd |
| 00:54.35 | Kesava | no one saw that. |
| 00:54.45 | Stanzilla | try cast instead of a cat |
| 00:54.50 | Kesava | also that |
| 00:55.26 | Stanzilla | also hey Kesava |
| 00:55.32 | Kesava | 'lo |
| 00:55.33 | Stanzilla | since when are you in this channel? |
| 00:55.37 | Stanzilla | I missed that |
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| 00:55.47 | Kesava | well, i joined earlier to ask a question about font issues on the ptr |
| 00:55.52 | Kesava | since then I've just kind of.. stayed |
| 00:56.00 | bigeff | *"/cast [target=Psyfiend] Power Word: Shield" |
| 00:56.03 | Stanzilla | good. |
| 00:56.14 | Stanzilla | and yes, fonts are super borked |
| 00:56.24 | TC-Work | Just watch out for Fisker. |
| 00:56.39 | Kesava | lovely. i managed to work around it for now at least. |
| 00:56.44 | Kesava | I've heard of him |
| 00:56.57 | Kesava | actually i have been here a lot before, but not for a while. Just stopped running my IRC client |
| 00:57.13 | TC-Work | Heathen. |
| 00:57.23 | Kesava | :< |
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| 00:57.46 | bigeff | Thank you <Sliker> |
| 00:58.31 | Kesava | yeah, on that, I think you can target -players- by name if they're in your party, guardians (like psyfiend?) don't count |
| 00:58.37 | Kesava | does work on pets though. |
| 00:58.42 | Kesava | so, sucky. |
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| 01:00.44 | Stanzilla | Seal of Insight no longer has a chance to restore mana on attacks. |
| 01:00.47 | Stanzilla | nooo :< |
| 01:02.27 | bigeff | Thanks for sharing your knowledge with me :) |
| 01:04.25 | Stanzilla | no problem |
| 01:06.53 | Stanzilla | time for sleepz |
| 01:07.38 | Kesava | nn! |
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| 02:03.54 | Arrowmaster | Thunder_Child: you ever seen http://anydice.com/program/260f |
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| 02:46.00 | Thunder_Child | ~moo |
| 02:46.00 | purl | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 02:57.16 | Neffi__ | I recall a dream where the world power needs were met by breeding cows and attaching machines to their asses for gas extraction |
| 02:57.19 | Neffi__ | It was strange |
| 02:57.48 | Neffi__ | It makes me wonder if, somewhere, there's a planet sustained on the power produced by burning flatulance. |
| 03:12.37 | kd3 | eesh. lots of toronto flooding pics |
| 03:13.03 | kd3 | http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/dramatic-photos-show-parts-of-toronto-underwater-1.1358806 |
| 03:15.15 | Neffi__ | pelf: ping |
| 03:15.28 | Neffi__ | where the hell is pelf when you need him |
| 03:15.58 | Neffi__ | Any recommended guides for a feral interested in getting into Guardian tanking? |
| 03:35.42 | A-KO | how the fuck did Toronto flood like that |
| 03:35.42 | A-KO | dude |
| 03:35.45 | A-KO | I was JUST in those spots |
| 03:35.58 | A-KO | "427 and Burnhamthorpe"...on Sunday morning, I dropped my friend off at the Metro not far from there |
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| 04:12.56 | Kraps | Neffi__, there are always guides |
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| 05:49.30 | Neffi__ | lul http://i.imgur.com/UNDVM3o.jpg |
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| 05:55.58 | karl_w_w | true! |
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| 07:29.37 | nevcairiel | so, apparently florida banned computers from their state? |
| 07:30.01 | Maldivia | about time |
| 07:30.13 | nevcairiel | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/08/florida-banned-computers_n_3561701.html |
| 07:32.11 | nebula169 | that online gambling |
| 07:32.22 | nebula169 | its a cancer! must be purged by all means |
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| 08:04.56 | karl_w_w | why would anyone ever go to florida |
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| 08:21.32 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6ACE-BBPRs lovely |
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| 08:50.12 | bluspacecow | https://twitter.com/bluspacecow/status/354522730076446720 |
| 08:50.15 | bluspacecow | halp |
| 08:51.10 | karl_w_w | titan panel's built in performance module? :P |
| 08:55.44 | Mr_Rabies | this is where i make centipedes |
| 08:55.50 | Mr_Rabies | i sure love to make centipedes |
| 08:56.12 | nevcairiel | how can you "make" centipedes? |
| 08:56.35 | Mr_Rabies | using a machine, obviously http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFfLCuHSZ-U |
| 08:57.23 | Mr_Rabies | this video is exactly what i need at 5am while i'm eating reese's puffs while slowly falling asleep |
| 09:00.12 | Stanzilla | bluspacecow: broker_sysmon |
| 09:00.26 | bluspacecow | thats what I have |
| 09:00.34 | bluspacecow | it does not do bandwidth in / out |
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| 10:50.29 | VIad | why do you twitter these? seems quite random :P |
| 10:50.45 | VIad | like me just sasying randomly "oh did you know that UnitName returns name and realm of a unit in World of Warcraft?" |
| 10:50.48 | VIad | saying* |
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| 14:32.29 | alestane | I just destroyed a champion mob in D3… "Zarhym the Immortal" |
| 14:37.51 | bluipodcow | Lol |
| 14:50.40 | Adys | "What are the advantages of binary HTML vs plaintext HTML + gzip? |
| 14:50.41 | Adys | urgh |
| 14:51.09 | Adys | "well gzip makes it binary so they're obviously the same!" |
| 14:51.14 | Adys | Kill me |
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| 15:05.36 | Maldivia | who, what, where... how?1 |
| 15:07.14 | Arrowmaster | kd3: somebody needs to stop me on this manga buying rampage, i just got a NEW FMA box set for $219 |
| 15:07.59 | Arrowmaster | kd3: the box set that is on amazon for crazy prices new |
| 15:09.02 | bluipodcow | Idunnolol |
| 15:09.26 | TC-Work | Arrowmaster: You never asked for that with CE's |
| 15:10.21 | Arrowmaster | ive probably spent close to $1000 since i started for my birthday last month |
| 15:10.51 | Arrowmaster | but its mine now http://amzn.com/1421541955 |
| 15:11.07 | TC-Work | So? I spent more than that on a new computer last month |
| 15:11.15 | TC-Work | It all depemnds on what you make important |
| 15:11.28 | Arrowmaster | still doesnt have a working desktop |
| 15:13.10 | Adys | Maldivia: about http 2.0 |
| 15:13.13 | Adys | HN comments |
| 15:13.24 | TC-Work | depends* |
| 15:13.39 | Arrowmaster | so far for everything ive ordered, when it all comes in ill have 1-38 of Negima!, 1-34 of Berserk, 1-27 of Fullmetal Alchemist, and 1-12 of Trinity Blood |
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| 15:14.59 | Arrowmaster | i think im doing good averaging $9 or less a volume |
| 15:16.36 | Arrowmaster | im also averaging about 5 volumes read per day while at work |
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| 15:20.09 | Ressy | I hate rain. |
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| 15:31.25 | TC-Work | Do you, do you really? |
| 15:31.32 | TC-Work | Or do you hate too much rain. |
| 15:32.39 | Semlar | i think by definition too much of something is beyond the acceptable threshold |
| 15:34.20 | Semlar | is there an api function to see if you'll get credit for attacking a unit |
| 15:34.33 | TC-Work | True, I should have worded it more along the lines of "Is the current amount of rain too much rain for you." |
| 15:36.21 | Fisker | what are the advantages Adys ? |
| 15:36.23 | Fisker | :3 |
| 15:36.31 | Adys | Fisker: less verbosity |
| 15:36.58 | Adys | Fisker: but regardless of what retarded shit they pull out of their ass, you can apply gzip on top of a binary html if you want to |
| 15:37.14 | Adys | it might not be as efficient |
| 15:37.38 | Fisker | what has verbosity got to do with it? |
| 15:38.19 | Adys | theres no advantage of binary html vs plaintext + gzip |
| 15:38.24 | Adys | it's just binary vs plaintext |
| 15:38.28 | Adys | you can gzip both |
| 15:39.10 | Dagmar | "binary html" uh... what? |
| 15:39.31 | Adys | Dagmar: a discussion about http/2.0 that veered offtopic |
| 15:39.38 | Dagmar | Okay |
| 15:39.53 | Dagmar | They're smoking some shit |
| 15:40.03 | Fisker | plaintext html is technically binary |
| 15:40.04 | Fisker | runs |
| 15:40.18 | Adys | https://github.com/http2/http2-spec/issues/169 |
| 15:40.19 | Adys | my god |
| 15:41.30 | Dagmar | I'm sure "this shit isn't readable without high doses of modenafil" is in there somewhere |
| 15:42.41 | Fisker | fiddler noooooo |
| 15:42.52 | Adys | "Besides, making the format binary risks making it harder to introduce extensions in the future, at least compared to text-based formats." |
| 15:43.03 | Adys | Spoken like a true programmer who's never dealt with IRC |
| 15:43.40 | Fisker | :D |
| 15:43.59 | Fisker | any SPDY/QUIC stuff being added to http2? |
| 15:44.15 | Kesava | those are terrible protocol names |
| 15:44.35 | Adys | Fisker: this http/2.0 proposal is essentially 95% of spdy |
| 15:44.47 | Adys | quic is completely independent to it afaik |
| 15:45.00 | Dagmar | Did IRC go binary when I wasn't looking or something? |
| 15:45.12 | Fisker | that was the joke Dagmar |
| 15:45.12 | Adys | Dagmar: no that was my point |
| 15:45.13 | Fisker | it didn't |
| 15:45.44 | Fisker | well not as much joke as tragic truth |
| 15:45.53 | Dagmar | THe reason to avoid cooking things down to a binary format is pretty clear... At some point, someone's probably going to need to debug that shit, which means someone's going to take the raw stream right to the eyes. |
| 15:46.05 | Dagmar | This si the main reason everything that can sticks to a plaintext format |
| 15:47.01 | Adys | Dagmar: of course |
| 15:47.09 | Adys | but there are some seriously bullshit comments in all that |
| 15:47.11 | Dagmar | The name Poettering isn't figuring prominently in the pro-binary camp is it? |
| 15:47.52 | Adys | Dagmar: i think you're looking at this wrong |
| 15:48.11 | Adys | text based protocols do have a slight advantage in that regard (wtih an efficiency tradeoff) |
| 15:48.34 | Adys | but it's not a negative point for binary protocols |
| 15:48.59 | Adys | there's tens of thousands of open source, openly documented binary protocols |
| 15:49.10 | Dagmar | None of which form the _core of the internet_ |
| 15:49.13 | Adys | they're only a pain to debug when the protocol *itself* is a retarded pain |
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| 15:49.37 | Adys | Dagmar: https? |
| 15:49.52 | Dagmar | DNS is the only exception, and that's because 1) it's old as dirt and 2) must be as efficient as possible and 3) only normally "read" by machines ever |
| 15:50.01 | Dagmar | HTTPS is still plaintext. |
| 15:50.06 | Dagmar | It's just encrypted transport. |
| 15:50.10 | Dagmar | ...which no one debugs. |
| 15:50.15 | Adys | right but thats my point |
| 15:50.16 | Fisker | i do |
| 15:50.19 | Dagmar | ...at least, not to that degree. |
| 15:50.19 | Fisker | :( |
| 15:50.29 | Adys | when you get to the point where you're debugging the protocol, you're usually already at the wireshark level |
| 15:50.29 | Fisker | i debugged it a few days ago |
| 15:50.36 | Dagmar | If you're going to argue that HTTPs isn't plaintext then you should have your head examined. |
| 15:50.46 | Dagmar | Gzip-compressed data isn't plaintext either, suprise. |
| 15:50.53 | Adys | exactly |
| 15:51.12 | Dagmar | There's another point you havent' considered. |
| 15:51.33 | Dagmar | One of the reasons HTTP and the WWW spread like wildfire was that it's _human-readable by default_. |
| 15:51.49 | Adys | yes, that was back then |
| 15:52.01 | Dagmar | ANything someone could put on a webpage was instantly something another page designer could open up in a text editor, read, and learn from. |
| 15:52.26 | Dagmar | Also, it's much harder to store _malicious data_ in plaintext formats. |
| 15:52.35 | Adys | ok hold on |
| 15:52.51 | Arrowmaster | so are you saying the people pushing for a binary web are pushing for drm |
| 15:52.55 | Adys | you're veering into binary html again and thats fine but |
| 15:53.02 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Nope. |
| 15:53.11 | Adys | i want to point out that if html were compiled down to a non-plaintext version |
| 15:53.12 | Dagmar | Those people can fuck right off anyway |
| 15:53.22 | Adys | hitting ctrl+u on your browser would still show the plaintext version |
| 15:53.31 | Dagmar | Adys: Then it would become the equivalent of "REGEXP EVERYWHERE" |
| 15:53.41 | Dagmar | Adys: No, it would not. |
| 15:54.00 | Kesava | wouldn't it? It still has to be read by a browser, same reason DRM would never work anyway |
| 15:54.01 | Arrowmaster | that completely depends on how its made bindary |
| 15:54.11 | Adys | and this is pretty much the state of things with css and js currently |
| 15:54.12 | Adys | return(new RegExp("(url\\s*\\(.*?){3}")).test(k.background)},r.backgroundsize=function(){return F("backgroundSize")},r.borderimage=function(){return F("borderImage")} |
| 15:54.16 | Adys | is this shit readable to you? |
| 15:54.21 | Dagmar | You would not be viewing the actual source without a hexdump or similar mechanism. You'd always be viewing the "binary" HTML as an abstraction. |
| 15:54.37 | Dagmar | Adys: Yes. it's just onerously written |
| 15:54.46 | Dagmar | ...because _programmers_. |
| 15:54.48 | Adys | you're missing the point |
| 15:55.07 | Adys | i don't read compressed js |
| 15:55.08 | Adys | ever |
| 15:55.20 | Dagmar | Just becuase people want to write their shit and then reduce it down to the barest components and discard readability just means people are assholes. |
| 15:55.23 | Adys | i hit ctrlshiftc and it's magically better |
| 15:55.34 | Dagmar | It _can_ be read still, and they don't _need_ to do that. |
| 15:56.00 | Dagmar | Gzip makes most of the reasons they might do that go right away and we have that as a transparent mechanism now |
| 15:56.11 | Adys | the battery on my phone says that jquery is better off as a 250kb file than a 4mb file (thanks, space-indenters!) |
| 15:56.47 | Adys | and not everyone gzips (sadly) |
| 15:57.01 | Dagmar | If you have a 250kb file blowing up to 4Mb then someone needs a beating |
| 15:57.23 | Dagmar | They don't need 1000 levels of indentation as spacebar |
| 15:57.53 | Adys | you're beating the wrong horses here |
| 15:57.58 | Dagmar | Adys: Apache supports gzip without any particular effort being involved on the part of the web "designer" |
| 15:58.08 | Adys | again |
| 15:58.10 | Adys | wrong horse |
| 15:58.13 | Dagmar | You trot them out, I'll beat them |
| 15:58.37 | Adys | you're making too many assumptions about, well, everything |
| 15:59.10 | Dagmar | TUrning the file into a packed binary format just so phones have to put forth slightly less effort throws away debugability in favor of a subset of devices |
| 15:59.29 | Adys | you're completely wrong |
| 15:59.33 | Dagmar | Nope. |
| 15:59.56 | Adys | you can turn that argument into "compiling isn't necessary, machines should always just interpret C code" |
| 16:00.08 | Dagmar | Definitely not. |
| 16:00.11 | Adys | even interpreted languages compile down to bytecode |
| 16:00.45 | Dagmar | Interpreted languages are very hard to "weaponize" without it being obvious. |
| 16:00.48 | Adys | but the neat thing about that is you can blow it back out into plaintext |
| 16:01.10 | TC-Work | This whole discussion better not be you two both on the same side. |
| 16:01.11 | Adys | this is essentially the same except you're doing it at the server level instead of the client level |
| 16:01.38 | Adys | but the reversal can be applied at the client level all the same (assuming the protocol is open, which it is) |
| 16:02.08 | Dagmar | Program code that gets compiled down to live bytecode is done that way so you don't have to pay the startup cost of compiling things to native instruction code every time. |
| 16:02.43 | Adys | that's essentially what spdy is, you realize that? |
| 16:02.55 | Adys | spdy is optimized for browsers |
| 16:03.07 | Dagmar | What, you're saying SPDY is punting live bytecode across the wire now? |
| 16:04.03 | Adys | spdy is punting binary data optimized for parsing speed by the client |
| 16:04.05 | Dagmar | I'd look very carefully for Microsoft people being involved in the binary HTML camp |
| 16:05.16 | Dagmar | The bulk of SPDY is about getting rid of latency |
| 16:05.33 | Adys | latency at all levels |
| 16:05.39 | Adys | both transmission *and* parsing |
| 16:06.18 | Dagmar | ...and yet throwing whitespace away is only a minor and optional step. |
| 16:06.39 | Dagmar | It's a far cry from reducing things to native machine code. |
| 16:06.59 | Adys | you seem to be confused |
| 16:07.11 | Dagmar | Or to look at it another way, it's taken Java how many years to stop failing hard at mishandling malformed bytecode? |
| 16:07.35 | Adys | but you can say the same of text-based protocols |
| 16:07.36 | Adys | hell |
| 16:07.42 | Adys | you can say it a lot more of text-based protocols |
| 16:08.02 | Adys | at least when a protocol is binary, most people use existing tools and libraries to craft their output |
| 16:08.17 | Adys | when it's plaintext, every idiot on the planet is just gonna do print("content-type") |
| 16:08.26 | Dagmar | ...which leads to homogenous environments. |
| 16:08.45 | Adys | what does? |
| 16:09.02 | Dagmar | "everyone us[ing] existing tools" |
| 16:09.23 | Adys | thats a *good* thing |
| 16:09.31 | Dagmar | To a point. |
| 16:09.36 | Adys | well |
| 16:10.04 | Adys | it avoids having servers deal with shitfucktons of different versions of the same protocol because someone thought it'd be a good idea to do it SLIIIGHTLY differently |
| 16:10.29 | Dagmar | Even the overhead in parsing JSON is minimal, but the parsing involved is very, very simple |
| 16:11.11 | Adys | it reminds me about a recent article |
| 16:11.13 | Dagmar | Adys: That's a reason for people to implement the protocol correctly, not to make the protocol unreadable binary |
| 16:11.34 | Adys | some rss engineer who had to deal with an endless stream of different datetime formats |
| 16:11.45 | Dagmar | This is why we develop the protocol first and expect people to actually implement it correctly instead of making up shit as they go along (like Microsoft) |
| 16:11.48 | Adys | instead of the ONE FORMAT defined in the spec |
| 16:12.09 | Adys | cause people dont give a shit and were outputting whatever str(datetime) was giving out |
| 16:12.09 | Unkle | Ok, so I'm seeing Dagmar's handle come up and having a frission moment. I just finished reading "This Is Not A Game" by Walter Jon Williams and there's a character named Dagmar in it - only she's a) younger, b) more female than our Dagmar. |
| 16:12.23 | Dagmar | Considerably more female, I'd suspect. |
| 16:12.52 | Adys | ~ping |
| 16:12.52 | purl | ~pong |
| 16:12.58 | Unkle | Oh, certainly. |
| 16:13.04 | Adys | well google's down |
| 16:13.14 | Dagmar | lol pull the other one |
| 16:13.26 | Adys | i did |
| 16:13.30 | Adys | searched on duckduckgo |
| 16:13.42 | Adys | of course it didnt find the answer. |
| 16:13.54 | Arrowmaster | theres also a Dagmar or Dagmer in ASoIaF (listening to audio books so dont know the spelling) |
| 16:14.13 | mikma | http://www.break.com/video/hilarious-trolls-ruin-skype-testimony-during-zimmerman-trial-2483158 |
| 16:14.27 | Dagmar | mikma: That was hilarious |
| 16:14.37 | Dagmar | We saw that come up on the screens in the NOC on the way to lunch |
| 16:14.43 | Dagmar | "Way to go CNN." |
| 16:14.51 | Adys | theres also a dagmar in psych |
| 16:15.05 | Unkle | I only ever saw like 2 episodes of that. |
| 16:16.09 | Adys | http://i.imgur.com/coicP0h.png |
| 16:16.10 | Adys | "She doesn't speak English?" "Does she need to?" |
| 16:16.28 | mikma | dagmar: :D |
| 16:16.39 | mikma | http://www.break.com/video/the-easiest-to-scare-man-in-france-2482834 |
| 16:17.06 | Dagmar | In CNNs defense, trials don't usually involve remote teleconferencing like that |
| 16:17.33 | Dagmar | ...let alone an internet-addressible mechanism like skype addresses appearing on the screen |
| 16:18.27 | Dagmar | I'm still surprised they allowed remote witnesses in the first place. I always thought courts were real big on getting people to show up in person on-site. |
| 16:18.33 | mikma | this was so awesome: http://www.break.com/video/hilarious-grocery-store-hidden-cam-prank-2483131 |
| 16:18.46 | mikma | i almost laughed my ass off last night when i watched that one :D |
| 16:19.42 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: if it saves the courts money, i dont see that much of a problem if its done right |
| 16:19.59 | Adys | mikma: that was awful. |
| 16:20.21 | Adys | mostly |
| 16:20.44 | Arrowmaster | agreed |
| 16:21.15 | mikma | adys: well the latter link makes it all better |
| 16:21.48 | Adys | that was the one i was watching |
| 16:21.51 | Adys | i didnt see the first one |
| 16:22.24 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: I've never noticed the courts paying for anything much beyond the chair for witnesses to sit in, actually |
| 16:22.31 | mikma | adys: liar |
| 16:22.39 | Adys | mikma: i liked the price check |
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| 16:39.03 | bluipodcow | Cairenn: http://www.buzzfeed.com/meganm15/baby-goats-are-jerks |
| 16:46.06 | zenzelezz | heh |
| 16:59.19 | karl_w_w | so in other words, carry an umbrella at all times |
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| 17:58.48 | kd3 | huh at http2 |
| 18:01.00 | bluipodcow | ~wowalert |
| 18:01.00 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: Returns empty content unless there is an active alert] |
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| 18:25.54 | nevcairiel | kd3: http2? isnt that just a draft based on SPDY? :D |
| 18:26.13 | kd3 | it was, they've changed it a bit in today's round |
| 18:26.18 | kd3 | https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-04 |
| 18:26.39 | TC-Work | nevcairiel: scroll up large discussion about it |
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| 18:52.34 | VIad | will it be like http2://google.com ? |
| 18:52.44 | nevcairiel | no |
| 18:52.49 | VIad | :P |
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| 19:03.36 | Neffi__ | http://i.imgur.com/qmMkT0w.jpg |
| 19:03.44 | Neffi__ | Proof Germans are evil |
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| 19:04.14 | nevcairiel | the translation is just wrong |
| 19:04.29 | Kalroth | how do you know, nev?! |
| 19:04.51 | Neffi__ | nev is an evil German |
| 19:05.14 | nevcairiel | prepares to german-hug Neffi__ |
| 19:05.20 | Neffi__ | OH GOD |
| 19:05.44 | Kalroth | :O |
| 19:06.11 | Kalroth | also that is rather redundant, all germans are evil |
| 19:06.19 | Kalroth | i've yet to meet a friendly one anyways |
| 19:14.49 | Dagmar | Hmm... reading this spec... I'm not seeing anything about binary HTML. |
| 19:15.36 | Neffi__ | I think you got trolled into reading a draft spec |
| 19:15.48 | Dagmar | It's still just waiting to be a problem, but at least it's a better problem space than "whatever retarded CSS/javascript people can come up with" |
| 19:15.56 | Dagmar | Neffi: I'd read it anyway |
| 19:17.19 | Dagmar | Probably the most useful thing is built-in flow-control |
| 19:20.29 | nevcairiel | http is a transport protocol, it does not define how its contents like HTML are represented |
| 19:20.42 | nevcairiel | but at least the protocol has a binary frame now |
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| 19:33.13 | pompy | http://www.space.com/17933-nasa-television-webcasts-live-space-tv.html live conf about the 2020 rover |
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| 21:37.00 | kd3 | eesh, the county south of me got 3 inches of rain in an hour |
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| 21:48.54 | TC-Work | for a cronjob '14 5 * * *' means 14 min after 5AM? |
| 21:49.36 | Mr_Rabies | ~wowalert |
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| 21:50.25 | Gnarfoz | TC-Work: 05:14, yes |
| 21:50.34 | Gnarfoz | (man 5 crontab) |
| 21:50.58 | TC-Work | Gnarfoz: yea, I grabbed it online, thanks. |
| 21:51.06 | Gnarfoz | :) |
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| 22:07.29 | TC-Work | I am so bad at fixing things if it is not right infront of me. |
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| 22:10.32 | zenzelezz | aren't we all? |
| 22:10.47 | TC-Work | Some people are good at remote support |
| 22:11.12 | TC-Work | I tend to learn things by doing them, so I remember them by also doing |
| 22:11.34 | TC-Work | same with driving, I don't remember addresses, I remember what things look like. |
| 22:12.09 | TC-Work | On the one hand, I give shit directions, on the other if I have been somewhere once I can usually go there again with no issues. |
| 22:14.20 | zenzelezz | sounds familiar |
| 22:14.53 | zenzelezz | while not exactly the same thing, I have sort of that issue with typing. I only struggle with it if I start to look at the keyboard while I'm typing |
| 22:15.37 | zenzelezz | caused some unpleasant situations when I've taken all the keys off to wash them or the keyboard |
| 22:17.27 | Neffi__ | lol |
| 22:17.46 | Neffi__ | "I'll just Google the keyboard layout. Shit, I can't type" |
| 22:18.07 | zenzelezz | :) |
| 22:18.31 | zenzelezz | most of them I do remember, but I tend to get confused about n/m, i/u, and some of the symbol keys |
| 22:18.36 | TC-Work | If I did that I suspect I would take a picture first |
| 22:18.52 | zenzelezz | "screw this, let's load up notepad and see what the key does" |
| 22:18.53 | Neffi__ | You could always summon the onscreen keyboard, or use your tablet/phone |
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| 22:19.12 | zenzelezz | I'm only taking out the keys, not the mechanism you know |
| 22:19.12 | Neffi__ | But it used to be a bitch before the times of tablets, back when I was 18 and didn't know there was an oncreen keyboard in windows |
| 22:19.27 | Neffi__ | yeah, that's how I used to solve it |
| 22:19.30 | Neffi__ | lots of trial and error |
| 22:20.58 | zenzelezz | one really annoying thing about Scandinavian keyboards is they tend to have an ØÖÆ button, and a ÆÄØ button... where the actual character it makes depends on if you're using Norwegian, Swedish or Danish keyboard layout |
| 22:21.23 | zenzelezz | thankfully muscle memory avoids these problems most of the time |
| 22:24.37 | Neffi__ | http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/0/5/0/190050_v1.jpg |
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| 22:45.04 | zenzelezz | nano was not happy about me asking it to open a 173 MB file :-| |
| 22:46.31 | kd3 | yay. login's not busted for me |
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| 23:02.19 | Kraps | numbers are being upped http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/ |
| 23:03.28 | karl_w_w | http://www.news.com.au/technology/sci-tech/mythical8217-corpseeating-fly-rediscovered-in-europe/story-fn5fsgyc-1226676479574 I like a bit of humour in my morning news :P |
| 23:03.43 | karl_w_w | "Pierfilippo Carretti, a researcher at the Sapienza University of Rome and presumably the most Italian man alive" |
| 23:04.12 | TC-Work | zenzelezz: then don't use nano? |
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| 23:10.41 | zenzelezz | TC-Work: I should've just used head+less, true. But the real issue turned out to be nano wanting to color the XML |
| 23:11.16 | TC-Work | zenzelezz: vim |
| 23:16.08 | bleeter | TC-Work: hexedit |
| 23:16.17 | TC-Work | bleeter: vim |
| 23:17.15 | Neffi__ | TC-Work: Notepad.exe |
| 23:17.37 | TC-Work | actually notepad can handle GB size files |
| 23:17.44 | TC-Work | I was impressed |
| 23:17.47 | Arrowmaster | nano does colors? |
| 23:17.57 | Arrowmaster | what year is this? |
| 23:19.06 | bleeter | this isn't a year... THIS IS SPARTA! |
| 23:19.56 | Neffi__ | dammit TC |
| 23:20.16 | Neffi__ | "The expansion2.MPQ file is too large for Notepad" |
| 23:21.00 | Neffi__ | 300 MB MPQ file hanged the process |
| 23:21.39 | Kesava_ | oh it'll take a few years to load a 1+GB file but it does tend to work |
| 23:22.00 | TC-Work | Neffi__: is an MPQ file a text file? |
| 23:22.10 | Neffi__ | more or less |
| 23:31.14 | TC-Work | Neffi__: it might be the 'less' bit that is causing issues. |
| 23:32.04 | Neffi__ | How different is binary data really than a sequence of randomly generated UTF-8 data? |
| 23:32.34 | TC-Work | Depends on how notepad is written wouldn't it? |
| 23:33.06 | Neffi__ | It would |
| 23:33.18 | Neffi__ | And it doesn't compare favorably to better editors like NP++ |
| 23:34.15 | TC-Work | That is subjective, if I simply want to read a small file or take some notes notepad is far better imo. |
| 23:34.57 | Neffi__ | The criteria we were discussing was handling of large files |
| 23:35.08 | Neffi__ | Notepad outright refuses to handle files that NP++ handles fine |
| 23:36.44 | MysticalOS | go go Blizzard_ShopUI |
| 23:37.00 | kd3 | I'm downloading now, will be done in an hour |
| 23:37.26 | Neffi__ | Up next: Malware scare as legitimate-looking addons snoop the ShopUI for credit card details and mail them to in-game bots. |
| 23:38.09 | Kesava_ | pretty sure the shopui would never need to have access to sensitive information at all |
| 23:38.20 | Neffi__ | hopefully |
| 23:38.31 | Kesava_ | i mean unless they made it terribly |
| 23:39.23 | Gnarfoz | battle.net account balance |
| 23:39.28 | Gnarfoz | that's all |
| 23:39.33 | Neffi__ | They can just leverage the in-game browser, really |
| 23:39.42 | Neffi__ | No need to let Lua even see the contents |
| 23:39.45 | Kesava_ | idd |
| 23:52.03 | Arrowmaster | Neffi__: random binary data wont be accepted as valid UTF-8 if something is actively checking for valid UTF-8 |
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