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| 00:07.57 | Neffi_ | !lua test |
| 00:08.00 | Neffi_ | lua> test |
| 00:08.05 | Neffi_ | lua> print"test" |
| 00:08.08 | Neffi_ | !lua print"test" |
| 00:08.15 | Neffi_ | weird |
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| 00:20.45 | Gnarfoz | only weird if you fail to check if the bot is here :P |
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| 01:31.53 | kd3|hate`net | huh... the instant the plane crash happened: http://i.imgur.com/SCkZrEM.jpg |
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| 01:33.52 | johnnyd2 | heya |
| 01:33.58 | johnnyd2 | so, guys, i need help with something |
| 01:33.59 | johnnyd2 | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/9422972951?page=1#4 |
| 01:34.08 | johnnyd2 | was directed her by kd3 |
| 01:34.11 | johnnyd2 | here |
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| 01:35.46 | johnnyd2 | lemme know if any of you guys can help |
| 01:35.52 | johnnyd2 | im not good with making mods myself |
| 01:45.33 | johnnyd2 | anyone? |
| 01:45.44 | kd3 | it's saturday night, chances are most of us aren't on |
| 01:51.31 | karl_w_w | so i heard election fixing is big in Canada? |
| 01:51.49 | Cairenn | almost as bad as in the USofA |
| 01:52.00 | johnnyd2 | oh |
| 01:52.00 | johnnyd2 | crap |
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| 02:05.06 | karl_w_w | http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/south-american-football-referee-beheaded-fans-killing-player-084120459.html |
| 02:09.40 | Cairenn | W.T.F! |
| 02:09.52 | Neffi_ | Gonna roll a tank class for PvP and possibly some raiding (tanking). Warrior, DK or paladin? |
| 02:10.12 | Cairenn | karl_w_w: this article is a spoof, right? |
| 02:10.22 | Ressy | ... karl_w_w... Imma slap you. |
| 02:10.36 | Neffi_ | Looking for fun, fastish gameplay, and minimal micromanaging of self-buffs, juggling of CDs and procs |
| 02:10.42 | kd3 | I heard the same thing from elsewhere. I'm inclined to think it's legit |
| 02:10.44 | Ressy | Cairenn: not a spoof |
| 02:10.45 | kd3 | crazy, but legit |
| 02:10.55 | Cairenn | *boggle* |
| 02:12.58 | karl_w_w | boggle is a fun |
| 02:13.13 | karl_w_w | game |
| 02:13.48 | Ressy | Also: Harper & co desperately needs to be slapped for their election fixing. :\ |
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| 05:55.57 | bakedmage | hey guys is there a WoWuI help room ? |
| 05:56.27 | Neffi_ | what kind of help room? |
| 05:57.06 | bakedmage | well erm :\ a wow ui n00b help room haha I just don't wanna annoy people in here |
| 05:57.18 | Neffi_ | Well this is uidev |
| 05:57.28 | Neffi_ | What are you looking for in particular? |
| 05:58.10 | bakedmage | well i'm new to the game... about 18 hours in fact.. i'm not looking to develop my own UI however I am having an issue with one i've installed, posted on forums etc etc guess i just wanted to ask if someone could help |
| 05:59.04 | Neffi_ | ~asktoask |
| 05:59.05 | purl | Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help, if they can. |
| 05:59.53 | bakedmage | ok ok this is a screenshot of the UI I downloaded http://i.imgur.com/Hm6v0sP.jpg |
| 06:00.17 | bakedmage | there is supposed to be a different type of bar / stat whatever you call it under my character |
| 06:00.24 | bakedmage | it seems like the default wow ui is blocking it ? ;\ |
| 06:00.41 | bakedmage | if i type /pit and go to profiles and load the one it says to load in the tutorial nothing happens |
| 06:00.51 | bakedmage | just stays on the default wow |
| 06:00.58 | Neffi_ | What's supposed to be there? |
| 06:01.46 | Neffi_ | link the ui |
| 06:01.53 | bakedmage | erm http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_259440&feature=iv&src_vid=psS580409bc&v=mUs-13Oj3S0 |
| 06:01.56 | bakedmage | 5:17 |
| 06:01.57 | bakedmage | in |
| 06:02.41 | bakedmage | a few things don't work.. not sure if something is blocking it.. followed the guide |
| 06:02.57 | Neffi_ | It's likely because the UI download is over 8 months old |
| 06:03.04 | Neffi_ | I'm betting it's broken |
| 06:03.33 | Neffi_ | Don't trust random downloads off forums |
| 06:03.39 | Neffi_ | Find a UI suite here instead: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/cat28.html |
| 06:03.40 | bakedmage | I followed the UI to the website |
| 06:03.42 | Neffi_ | Make sure it's recent |
| 06:03.47 | bakedmage | it's been updated etc |
| 06:04.19 | bakedmage | http://www.preachgaming.com/forum/17-addons-and-mods |
| 06:04.23 | Neffi_ | The download link on Preach Gaming is 8 months old |
| 06:04.31 | bakedmage | oh |
| 06:04.34 | bakedmage | i get you |
| 06:04.55 | bakedmage | right erm well I guess that still leaves me with the question of is it possible to enable the bars he has ? |
| 06:05.23 | Neffi_ | Well it's possible, but not if the addon's broken |
| 06:05.48 | bakedmage | the addon is pitbull I think and that's upto date as far as i'm aware |
| 06:05.54 | Neffi_ | You can used Shadowed Unit Frames if you want to set it all up yourself. If you're looking for something pre-packaged, I gave you my recommendation. |
| 06:06.16 | Neffi_ | The WoWI link I have has a ton of compilations, some much nicer and more up to date than this |
| 06:06.30 | bakedmage | right i'll have a browse |
| 06:06.31 | bakedmage | thank you |
| 06:06.45 | bakedmage | suites? |
| 06:07.31 | Neffi_ | Graphical Compilations or Minimal Compilations |
| 06:07.50 | Neffi_ | don't ask me why the categories for UI suites are so fucked, or even separated to begin with |
| 06:07.55 | Neffi_ | blame Cairenn I guess |
| 06:08.21 | bakedmage | the thought didn't pass my tired head mate |
| 06:08.26 | bakedmage | i've been on the game for 18 hours |
| 06:08.49 | Neffi_ | Downloading UIs is certainly not something I did in my first 18 hours |
| 06:09.05 | Neffi_ | Of course back then you just downloaded CTMod and felt awesome, because there was so little stuff around |
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| 06:10.01 | bakedmage | I didn't plan on it tbh i was browsing mage guides |
| 06:10.14 | bakedmage | and saw his post and really liked the bars and enemy bars underneath his character |
| 06:10.18 | bakedmage | looked clean n smart |
| 06:10.41 | bakedmage | I guess I could try ShestakUI |
| 06:10.57 | bakedmage | or did you say you would recommend one ?> :P |
| 06:11.29 | Neffi_ | I write my own UI |
| 06:11.37 | Neffi_ | I dont keep up to date with other people's work |
| 06:11.51 | bakedmage | okies |
| 06:12.34 | bakedmage | ill try realUI and see if i can mod it abit bring some of the stuff further down :F |
| 06:12.39 | bakedmage | can only try >_< |
| 06:15.57 | Neffi_ | I always liked realUI, but I imagine it'll be too much of a departure from the norm for somebody not yet familiar with the game |
| 06:20.29 | bakedmage | i'm on it atm some things I like.. some things I don't the bag system for one |
| 06:28.58 | bakedmage | any idea how to stop the bars dissapearing when you are not targeting someone |
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| 07:09.48 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/wqS3g6a |
| 07:12.30 | zenzelezz | :-o |
| 07:30.45 | karl_w_w | even the first line isn't true |
| 07:48.19 | bakedmage | oh god this is giving me a headache :< |
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| 08:43.46 | teraleon | Hello - I've got a question for the guys here, I'm wondering if there's a way to perform a reload of some parts of the interface without actually reloading the entire UI as by /console reloadui |
| 08:44.08 | teraleon | (I'm the guy whose macros keep breaking) |
| 08:44.52 | teraleon | Been thinking it would be something with un- and re-registering some macro events if there were some. |
| 08:45.30 | teraleon | # |
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| 08:52.24 | teraleon | hi vlad |
| 08:52.33 | teraleon | I'm the macro guy :p |
| 08:54.31 | zenzelezz | what parts of the UI is it you would like to reset? |
| 08:54.33 | Torhal | No way to selectively reload |
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| 08:58.25 | teraleon | Aw :( |
| 08:58.37 | bakedmage | how can i stop my action bars from hiding? |
| 08:58.43 | bakedmage | they only appear when i press ctrl |
| 08:59.08 | teraleon | I was thinking I could perhaps reload macro registrations or something |
| 08:59.54 | teraleon | bakedmage, I'd think it's a setting in your .. custom action bar addon? - Something like bartender, with modifiers / visibility settings |
| 09:00.51 | teraleon | On a different note, SOUND_DEVICE_UPDATE seems to freeze the screen on every fire |
| 09:03.06 | bakedmage | im using realUI it's blagging my head :< |
| 09:06.03 | teraleon | It seems The primary Action Bars in RealUI are hidden by default. |
| 09:06.26 | teraleon | I read that RealUI uses Bartender, maybe you can access the options via /bartender? |
| 09:07.00 | teraleon | bakedmage, http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3764967297#5 |
| 09:07.57 | teraleon | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3730153031#5 |
| 09:08.59 | bakedmage | i found it mate |
| 09:09.01 | bakedmage | it was under |
| 09:09.18 | bakedmage | untick use custom condition |
| 09:09.41 | teraleon | Great ;) |
| 09:09.45 | bakedmage | i'm a n00b at all this ;\ another thing i'm having an issue with is skada wont appear and I only want enemy names / bars to appear |
| 09:09.54 | bakedmage | everyone is appearing on my screen it's hecktic! |
| 09:10.20 | teraleon | I think you could change the background transparency |
| 09:11.10 | teraleon | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:11.45 | teraleon | I don't know the proper commands but perhaps /skada show will make it appear if you can't find it in the options. |
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| 09:15.56 | teraleon | afk |
| 09:22.51 | bakedmage | this is the issue im having :< http://i.imgur.com/0Ag9D08.jpg |
| 09:29.19 | Semlar | push V? |
| 09:30.02 | teraleon | hi Semlar |
| 09:30.16 | Semlar | hello |
| 09:30.47 | teraleon | I'm the macro guy :( |
| 09:30.56 | bakedmage | that worked till i targeted and fired at someone |
| 09:31.00 | bakedmage | then everyone just appeared again |
| 09:31.27 | Semlar | sounds like you have something enabling your nameplates |
| 09:32.47 | bakedmage | hmm might try a diff nameplate add on |
| 09:32.55 | bakedmage | these are abit hard to see |
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| 09:37.52 | Semlar | i'm not sure the nameplate addon is doing it |
| 09:38.42 | bakedmage | could be realUI then :\ |
| 09:40.04 | Semlar | if you have a way to search through files you could try looking for nameplateShowFriends |
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| 09:59.26 | teraleon | Is there any information on what happens during a ReloadUI()? I know that it resets the UI and loads fresh from the disk, but what commands are issued during, etc? |
| 09:59.54 | zenzelezz | "what commands"? |
| 10:01.32 | teraleon | I'm thinking such as un-register / re-registering events for entering the world, but I'm interested in the interface part |
| 10:01.58 | teraleon | What does it actually do to load fresh from the disk? :P |
| 10:01.59 | zenzelezz | I still don't understand what you mean |
| 10:02.26 | Maldivia | it clears all UI memory, and then loads the data fresh from disk |
| 10:03.05 | teraleon | Yeah, I'm precisely interested in doing that manually for certain parts of my interface |
| 10:03.13 | Maldivia | not possible |
| 10:03.52 | teraleon | :( No way to reload the macro cache without a reloadui? |
| 10:04.08 | zenzelezz | macro cache? |
| 10:04.09 | Maldivia | why would you reload the macro cache? |
| 10:05.11 | teraleon | Because some macros break in such a way that they become unavailable to use (in combat, macro locks up, action bar button indicates being pressed, but macro won't be fired) |
| 10:05.30 | teraleon | This most commonly happens with very short screen freezes (lags) |
| 10:05.43 | Maldivia | that has nothing to do with macros, that your action bar addon more likely |
| 10:05.55 | teraleon | I don't use an action bar addon. |
| 10:06.29 | Maldivia | the the default blizzard action bar |
| 10:06.32 | Maldivia | then* |
| 10:07.45 | teraleon | Moving or replacing the broken macro to a new button with the same copy of the macro retains the broken-ness. |
| 10:09.39 | teraleon | Creating an entirely new macro doesn't retain the broken-ness. Replacing the macro with a normal ability or a different macro won't keep the button broken that the macro was in before. |
| 10:10.34 | teraleon | Some: actually all macros I use for combat |
| 10:18.21 | Adys | This is a beautiful picture [warning: closeup of a wasp] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8a/Face_of_a_Southern_Yellowjacket_Queen_%28Vespula_squamosa%29.jpg |
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| 13:22.49 | Adys | I just built repo-git from the git-repo git repo |
| 13:24.45 | Maldivia | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:35.42 | Adys | "It had only been in the fridge for five days and I was looking forward to enjoying it. I didn't expect it to blow up before I could get to it,” said Mrs Goodwin, who had not opened the fridge for roughly 12 hours. |
| 13:35.59 | bluspacecow | her cake exploded? |
| 13:36.18 | Adys | no, a jar of rhubarb chutney |
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| 13:49.59 | zenzelezz | O_o |
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| 15:07.24 | karl_w_w | anyone use pale moon? |
| 15:10.51 | bluspacecow | the browser ? |
| 15:11.11 | karl_w_w | yeah |
| 15:11.17 | zenzelezz | for some reason I only thought of pale ale |
| 15:11.29 | bluspacecow | mmmm b33r |
| 15:13.13 | karl_w_w | it's like firefox with a status bar |
| 15:13.24 | karl_w_w | well, essentially it IS firefox with a status bar |
| 15:13.51 | zenzelezz | Firefox still has a status bar if you want it to... though I don't know what yours has in the status bar |
| 15:14.14 | zenzelezz | wait, no... there's only the "developer bar" |
| 15:14.33 | zenzelezz | not even called that damnit, "Addon Bar". I am slow(er than usual) today |
| 15:16.11 | karl_w_w | it shows link targets in the status bar, which is where they belong |
| 15:16.23 | zenzelezz | that I do agree |
| 15:16.25 | karl_w_w | not blocking whatever happens to be in the corner of the window |
| 15:18.53 | karl_w_w | the one thing I'm not a fan of is it shows a window with your tabs in it when you press ctrl+tab, like Windows alt+tab |
| 15:20.44 | karl_w_w | ooh goody, disableable in about:config |
| 15:32.19 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
| 15:32.40 | bluspacecow | \o |
| 15:33.08 | Fisker | no |
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| 15:45.16 | karl_w_w | why is my fridge making a faint high pitched noise? |
| 15:47.01 | zenzelezz | psychological warfare |
| 15:47.28 | Semlar | it's letting other nearby refrigerators know to keep out of its territory |
| 15:47.53 | zenzelezz | maybe it's a mating call |
| 15:48.06 | Semlar | or the compressor is going bad |
| 15:48.13 | Semlar | refrigerators have those, right |
| 15:48.41 | karl_w_w | it's less than a year old so I hope not |
| 15:48.56 | zenzelezz | should be under warranty at least then? |
| 15:49.11 | Semlar | mine makes a really loud bang when the compressor turns off but it's like 20 years old |
| 15:49.18 | Semlar | i can't complain |
| 15:49.43 | Semlar | it sounds like a car backfiring |
| 15:50.37 | karl_w_w | I thought I was imagining it at first but the dog took off in apparent discomfort :P |
| 15:50.55 | Semlar | maybe it just doesn't like the dog |
| 15:54.04 | Semlar | apparently if it's coming from inside the refrigerator when you open it it's probably the fan |
| 15:54.25 | karl_w_w | it didnt seem to get quieter or louder when I opened it |
| 15:54.29 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/Es7VHhT |
| 15:54.40 | Semlar | can you tell if it's coming from the back of the thing? |
| 15:54.44 | zenzelezz | I have heard electricians (or whatever they're called) say that if you need to ask if it should be asking a noise, it shouldn't be making the noise |
| 15:54.44 | karl_w_w | and it's gone away now even though it's still running |
| 15:55.08 | Semlar | some things just make noise while they're operating |
| 15:55.33 | karl_w_w | like doctors |
| 16:03.25 | karl_w_w | where on earth is the steam sale |
| 16:06.46 | karl_w_w | june 11th I guess |
| 16:08.45 | zenzelezz | a month ago? |
| 16:09.02 | karl_w_w | where june = july |
| 16:10.45 | karl_w_w | oh boy my nexus 4 is so nice out of its bumper |
| 16:10.54 | karl_w_w | but it's also terrifying |
| 16:11.27 | karl_w_w | if only they didn't put silly glass on the back |
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| 16:28.11 | Thunder_Child | karl_w_w: someone said something about last years starting on the 12th |
| 16:30.30 | karl_w_w | apparently it's always started on a thursday |
| 16:30.37 | Maldivia | Thunder_Child: last year was from Luly 12th to 22nd |
| 16:30.40 | Maldivia | July* |
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| 17:00.41 | iShirik | Weird. Freenode wouldn't let me connect without sasl |
| 17:01.00 | nevcairiel | worked for me seconds ago |
| 17:01.06 | nevcairiel | well, 5 minutes |
| 17:01.24 | iShirik | Also weird: my irc client supports sasl |
| 17:02.01 | nevcairiel | sasl is mandatory if you connect via Tor or some other anon service |
| 17:02.07 | Fisker | hey iShirik |
| 17:02.16 | nevcairiel | or from most mobile networks, too |
| 17:02.20 | nevcairiel | if they can identify those |
| 17:02.28 | iShirik | They might consider mobile phones to be an anonymiZing service |
| 17:02.49 | iShirik | I tried to correct that word 5 times and then gave up |
| 17:03.05 | iShirik | Hey fisker |
| 17:03.16 | nevcairiel | the generic stance they have is that your IP range showed anti-social behaviour =p |
| 17:03.37 | nevcairiel | and then requires sasl |
| 17:03.47 | iShirik | Isn't logging on to irc considered anti social? |
| 17:04.12 | karl_w_w | yes |
| 17:04.35 | iShirik | They should require everyone to use sasl then |
| 17:04.57 | iShirik | I wonder. What happens if I was on an ip range that's restricted and I didn't have an account? |
| 17:06.08 | karl_w_w | they send flunkies to your house to teach you a lesson |
| 17:06.49 | Thunder_Child | i read that as fruitcakes not flunkies |
| 17:06.52 | Thunder_Child | for some reason |
| 17:07.44 | karl_w_w | latent homophobia |
| 17:08.09 | iShirik | On another totally random question |
| 17:08.28 | iShirik | What is O2-UK? My phone keeps switching between that and Vodafone |
| 17:08.50 | karl_w_w | is network |
| 17:09.04 | Maldivia | probably the O2 provider in the UK :) |
| 17:09.14 | karl_w_w | english was not my first language when I wrote my last message |
| 17:09.37 | karl_w_w | I imagine a russian accent |
| 17:09.42 | Thunder_Child | karl_w_w: no, I mean the food. |
| 17:09.53 | karl_w_w | oh |
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| 17:10.19 | karl_w_w | bake-ophobia? |
| 17:11.04 | Maldivia | iShirik: there are like 4 networks in the UK: Vodafone, O2, 3 and Orange/TMobile |
| 17:11.24 | karl_w_w | vodafone own 3, no? |
| 17:11.42 | Maldivia | no |
| 17:12.52 | karl_w_w | hmm, must only be in Aus that's the case |
| 17:13.52 | Maldivia | yeah, in Australia vodafone and hutchison have some joint thingy |
| 17:14.18 | karl_w_w | yeah, they lose hundreds of thousands of customers each quarter together |
| 17:15.52 | karl_w_w | 216k in Q1 this year |
| 17:16.05 | karl_w_w | 6.2 million left |
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| 17:40.55 | Bruners | haste: think i have found the most awesome pastebin service ever! :P http://hastebin.com |
| 17:43.10 | pompy | http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/07/19335725-electronic-landing-system-was-off-at-san-francisco-airport-during-crash?lite |
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| 17:47.55 | nevcairiel | pompy: if pilots cant land without that, they shouldnt be in a plane :p |
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| 18:00.38 | p3lim | Bruners: That pastebin is actually really nice |
| 18:14.53 | Bruners | p3lim: yep, just finished installing it on my diskstation |
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| 19:00.01 | Neffi__ | http://i.imgur.com/bMr8oDi.jpg |
| 19:00.11 | Neffi__ | these people are real, and they're out there |
| 19:03.17 | Torhal | Not sure if troll or moron. |
| 19:04.09 | Cairenn | Fake. Other recent one was the XXX million lottery win in the US, same number as people living in the US, share it with everyone, yadda yadda |
| 19:06.51 | Ressy | I've seen some doozies from my family members... Never know. |
| 19:07.54 | Neffi__ | Dunno if you also find large animals cute: http://i.imgur.com/hf4Eq6X.gif |
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| 20:03.27 | VIad | the graphics are very nice on far cry 3 http://ss.bool.no/fc3.png |
| 20:08.06 | Neffi__ | Meh |
| 20:08.28 | Neffi__ | The amount of green is nice. The amount of polygons and inaccurate lighting is obvious though. |
| 20:09.21 | Neffi__ | I think we should reserve calling graphics good until they actually are. It's not even that far off. |
| 20:09.22 | Neffi__ | http://youtu.be/VtLuStcTRXQ |
| 20:11.12 | VIad | the colors are vibrant, I like it :P |
| 20:11.23 | Neffi__ | That's what path tracing is |
| 20:11.47 | Neffi__ | Past that we need to start criticizing the physics, give 'em some incentive to push it forward |
| 20:12.04 | Neffi__ | That video was done on 2 GTX Titans |
| 20:16.34 | VIad | sadly we don't have two, even one, gtx titan in our gaming rigs and laptops :P |
| 20:16.49 | Neffi | Yeah, but it's being done on the top-end of gaming hardware |
| 20:17.05 | Neffi | Remember what the top-end hardware from 3-4 years ago could handle? Compare that to a "good" gaming setup today |
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| 20:17.55 | Neffi | It's exclusively software rendered using CUDA and OpenCL compute, so it has zero reliance on the fixed-function and graphics-specific hardware improving. This will be a reality sooner than you think. |
| 20:18.46 | Neffi | Especially with GPU manufacturers pushing more general-purpose functionality to improve compute performance -- like unified memory access, real memory paging, preemption, and general improvements to the compete side and total compute power |
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| 20:21.28 | Neffi | Carmack said the next iteration of his engine will already be using a hybrid between heavy path-tracing and some conventional rasterization to lighten the load on the animated pieces. The stop-gap between what we do now, and full-blown path tracing should be out soon. |
| 20:22.35 | Neffi | And I'm really fucking excited if you can't tell. It's a great time to be an aspiring game developer. |
| 20:22.44 | VIad | it would be awesome if it all looks like the video you posted :P |
| 20:22.53 | VIad | it probably will in dunno, 5-10 years? |
| 20:22.54 | Neffi | That's precisely what path tracing is |
| 20:23.07 | VIad | as a standard |
| 20:23.20 | Neffi | Increasing the polygon count actually has negligible impact on the speed, because it's done by tracing the paths of light until the quantum is small enough to be invisible |
| 20:23.46 | Neffi | It's all about having precisely photo-realistic lighting based on real optical physical phenomena, and not having to fake a single part of it |
| 20:24.08 | Neffi | No tricks like maps and occlusion and pre-rendering shadows. No hard-coding in any phenomena because it's accounted for by modeling real physics. |
| 20:24.17 | Iriel | The poly count only has negligible impact because it's far outweighed by the massive supersampling work |
| 20:24.20 | Neffi | Sooner than 10 years, but maybe a little more than 5 |
| 20:24.48 | Neffi | Perhaps |
| 20:25.07 | Neffi | Brigade is showing impressive numbers. The difference between a single mid-poly-count model and that whole city is not much whatsoever |
| 20:25.20 | VIad | probably not easy on the GPU if you wish to render something open world, like skyrim, from the air, and all is pure path tracing :P |
| 20:25.39 | VIad | lots of stuff to render and simulate |
| 20:26.06 | Neffi | Well you can see a roughly open world being done. The biggest caveat is the amount of RAM you need. That's why the city's repeated. Each instance may be rendered independently, but by instancing it they save on RAM. |
| 20:26.27 | Neffi | So they can instance individual pieces, and then spread them out among the world. Only store a few leaf/tree models in RAM. |
| 20:26.54 | Iriel | They said the reason they repeated the city was just because they couldn't find a big enough model or artist to make one |
| 20:26.57 | Neffi | Trees are problematic because the amount of light bouncing around, but you can always tune down how clear those parts are |
| 20:27.25 | Neffi | Well in that case, but they developed the instancing for the sake of being able to save on RAM -- according to one of the developer's blogs |
| 20:27.26 | Iriel | The 'store each tree once' trick has some downsides, dereferences are expensive |
| 20:27.35 | Neffi | Being able to save on model work was also a huge plus |
| 20:27.53 | Iriel | so it's a fine trade-off, that's where some of the cleverness is in massive open world renderings |
| 20:28.09 | Iriel | I do look forward to seeing what these guys can do over time |
| 20:28.20 | Iriel | especially once it starts overlapping the hardware i have at home |
| 20:28.27 | Neffi | Oh yes |
| 20:28.46 | Neffi | I just hope it doesn't cost an arm and a leg to license once this is plausible on desktop hardware |
| 20:28.59 | Neffi | Because I'd fucking love to be able to play with this and develop a game with it |
| 20:29.05 | Xuerian | If you're talking about in games, it isn't necessarily the transparency in trees, but also you can't cheat and use bisected textures for volume |
| 20:29.34 | VIad | in skyrim they cheat by swapping out models from far away with lower polly once, noticable even if it's just details :< |
| 20:30.05 | Neffi | I'm already drafting up an open-world game with a partner, and we're doing the first incarnation using low-end rendering so we can push it out to smartphones. But I really want to take this awesome story he's written and the game mechanics I really want to make and put it into Brigade for a full-blown desktop RPG. |
| 20:30.13 | zenzelezz | VIad: LoD? Brand new technology |
| 20:30.27 | Iriel | Neffi: libraries for brigade are downloadable, it seems |
| 20:30.41 | Iriel | and the full source of brigade v1 |
| 20:30.45 | Iriel | http://igad.nhtv.nl/~bikker/ |
| 20:31.14 | Neffi | Yes, but most of the impressive stuff is in version 2, which (taking his blog ramblings into account) is a massive step up in terms of speed and potential |
| 20:31.14 | Xuerian | (On a side note, I actually think the static-fill effect you get from casting in brigade would look cool in a game, or be a cool mechanic) |
| 20:31.29 | Neffi | IIRC v1 couldn't do a lot of things correctly, like sub-surface scattering and color bleeding. v2 could. |
| 20:32.58 | Neffi | blog in question: http://raytracey.blogspot.com/ |
| 20:34.08 | Neffi | Development was bought out and taken over by OTOY, which does a lot of CGI shit for major movie studios. This could suggest licensing fees will be moderately high. |
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| 21:07.20 | Eridius | hah, turns out there's a huge difference between frame:SetAllPoints(parent) and frame.SetAllPoints(parent) |
| 21:07.23 | Eridius | ;) |
| 21:07.43 | zenzelezz | :) |
| 21:10.21 | Maldivia | ohh yeah :P |
| 21:12.45 | Neffi | For future reference: frame:SetAllPoints(true) is equivalent to frame:SetAllPoints(parent) |
| 21:14.41 | Eridius | Neffi: is it? good to know. Although in this case the frames are created by a helper function, so I'm not 100% positive my new frame is a direct child of the original, but it probably is |
| 21:14.54 | Neffi | hmm |
| 21:14.57 | Neffi | strange |
| 21:15.11 | Seerah | or just frame:SetAllPoints() |
| 21:15.34 | Neffi | You should rework it so you are sure. Whenever you're uncertain what's happening in your code, you're almost guaranteed to come across a bug with it |
| 21:17.18 | Eridius | Neffi: I'm modifying a PitBull4 module. I assume that the new frame is a direct child of the original, but it's possible that it could be some deeper descendent, I just don't know |
| 21:17.45 | Neffi | O |
| 21:17.55 | Neffi | I'm vaguely surprised people still use PitBull4 |
| 21:18.00 | Eridius | oh? why? |
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| 21:24.58 | Neffi | Because in general it seems like most of ckknight's work has fallen to disuse |
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| 21:25.42 | Neffi | And people loved PitBull enough, but it was always CPU hungry and really held the position of "best UFs" because nobody else bothered to offer better configuration. Nowadays Shadowed and Stuf overshadow it IMO. |
| 21:25.54 | Shadowed | STUF has a better configuration? |
| 21:26.05 | Neffi | Than PitBull4? I would say so |
| 21:26.11 | Shadowed | last I recall it was kind of a mess |
| 21:26.23 | Neffi | Maybe not easier. It config is a mess. But it allows for greater control. |
| 21:26.38 | Neffi | And if you don't need that control, your UFs offer a much better approach |
| 21:27.48 | Neffi | Plus oUF has gain a lot of ground, now that everyone and their mother has a pretty nice layout up for download |
| 21:27.49 | Stanzilla | I love pitbull's options |
| 21:28.01 | Neffi | I haven't seen a single person recommend Pitbull on the UI forums I frequent in ages |
| 21:28.13 | Stanzilla | probably because it has no boss frames by default |
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| 21:28.45 | Shadowed | also the reason people use PB4 is the same reason people used agUF despite the fact that it died in like |
| 21:28.49 | Shadowed | TBC throughout WoTLK |
| 21:29.01 | Shadowed | already had something setup so they keep using it until literally they have no other option |
| 21:29.02 | Neffi | agUF was still around for WLK? |
| 21:29.03 | Neffi | heh |
| 21:29.11 | Shadowed | afaik yes |
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| 21:29.20 | Neffi | I guess that makes sense. If you're comfortable with it and it does its job, it's enough. |
| 21:29.38 | Neffi | I'm just the type that can never have enough control over how my addons work and what they do for me. |
| 21:29.44 | Shadowed | The last updates for it were in early 2011 |
| 21:30.31 | zenzelezz | surely someone is still running Titanbar |
| 21:30.41 | Neffi | don't remind us >_> |
| 21:30.44 | Shadowed | probably |
| 21:31.01 | Elkano | <zenzelezz> surely someone is still running FuBar <-- fixed |
| 21:31.12 | Neffi | Broker was such an obviously better approach, I'm surprised it took as long as it did for somebody to come up with it |
| 21:31.22 | Elkano | TitanBar was updated for Broker |
| 21:31.33 | Neffi | Well that makes sense |
| 21:31.54 | Elkano | well, FuBar wasn't |
| 21:32.08 | Elkano | also, thanks for the flowers :) |
| 21:32.11 | Neffi | I don't think it works anymore anyway |
| 21:32.52 | zenzelezz | Elkano: looking at Curse, Titan panel was updated in June, and supports 5.3.0 o_O |
| 21:33.06 | Elkano | I know |
| 21:33.22 | zenzelezz | but yeah, I remember when Fubar came around |
| 21:33.33 | Elkano | you mean BossBar? |
| 21:33.44 | zenzelezz | no |
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| 21:33.48 | iShirik | That was a long time ago |
| 21:33.52 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 21:33.57 | Neffi | Yeah, people were overjoyed because it pretty much put Titan to shame |
| 21:35.18 | Elkano | FuBar was named BossBar at first... |
| 21:35.38 | Neffi | And Ace4 was named Rock at first --- OH WAIT |
| 21:35.43 | Neffi | ;) |
| 21:38.05 | zenzelezz | I don't seem to get that one |
| 21:38.42 | Neffi | Not much to get, expect that Rock was pretty redundant |
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| 21:51.03 | Neffi_ | Who are some well known Enh Shaman PvPers on YouTube? |
| 21:51.21 | Neffi_ | as in -- good ones |
| 21:51.39 | Semlar | unbreakable |
| 21:58.10 | Eridius | crap... I'm still running titanbar... >_> |
| 21:58.20 | Eridius | went back to it when fubar died |
| 21:59.43 | Stanzilla | Eridius: which pb modules are you hacking on btw? |
| 22:00.12 | Stanzilla | Neffi_: I cam up with the name "rock" btw :p |
| 22:00.14 | Stanzilla | *e |
| 22:00.23 | Stanzilla | it was called joker before |
| 22:01.24 | Eridius | Stanzilla: Combo Points |
| 22:01.51 | Eridius | Stanzilla: I filed http://www.wowace.com/addons/pitbull4/tickets/1046-patch-combo-points-enhancement/#comments with my patch, although the attached patch is missing a line (trying to find an enemy so I can test right now) |
| 22:02.39 | Stanzilla | cool |
| 22:02.43 | Stanzilla | tell me when you are done |
| 22:03.36 | Eridius | hmm, I got the combo point now to show up on the player frame, but it didn't disappear when the target died! |
| 22:03.56 | Eridius | ah, I bet it needs to reset when I change targets, or somesuch |
| 22:06.55 | zenzelezz | "stayhard"... an obvious name for a men's clothes website... |
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| 22:09.33 | Eridius | Stanzilla: ok I've uploaded a working patch to http://www.wowace.com/addons/pitbull4/tickets/1046-patch-combo-points-enhancement/ |
| 22:11.51 | Stanzilla | I forgot that my recent windows tabula rasa killed my dev environment |
| 22:12.03 | Stanzilla | but you can commit it yourself I guess |
| 22:14.57 | Eridius | I can? Access type is private on the mainline repo |
| 22:17.34 | Eridius | Stanzilla: ^ |
| 22:17.39 | Stanzilla | oh |
| 22:17.43 | Stanzilla | will do later then |
| 22:18.04 | Eridius | ok thanks |
| 22:18.41 | Neffi__ | "Without Newton we wouldn't have Einstein, space exploration, calculus, or insanely metal hair." |
| 22:18.51 | Neffi__ | Cracked can be legitimately hilarious sometimes |
| 22:18.59 | Eridius | Neffi__: so what do people use now instead of titanbar? |
| 22:19.27 | Neffi__ | There are a bunch of bars out there. I don't keep up on them, because I don't use 'em. |
| 22:19.36 | Eridius | do you use any LDB host? |
| 22:19.46 | Eridius | really should get around to porting TitanSocial to LDB |
| 22:20.09 | Neffi__ | I'm slowly migrating away from maintaining nearly 100% of my own hardcoded UI to using a mix of addons and developing more general-use stuff to release |
| 22:20.36 | Neffi__ | So in a month or so I'll pick push some sort of LDB feed |
| 22:27.22 | Stanzilla | if you want a bar display, bazooka is probably the best |
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| 22:44.30 | VIad | far cry 3 is awesome - fuck I've played all the day lol |
| 22:44.39 | VIad | still half way to go :P |
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| 22:54.59 | Stanzilla | I stopped playing that when it told me to collect crops and swines or so |
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| 23:03.39 | Iriel | I enjoyed FC3 quite a bit, though haven't fininshed it (got distracted) |
| 23:13.16 | Eridius | FC3 was fun. Beat it pretty fast |
| 23:13.20 | Eridius | haven't beaten Blood Dragon though |
| 23:13.43 | Eridius | biggest problem with FC3: I felt like I had to clear every base with perfect stealth, because that got you the most points |
| 23:13.47 | Arrowmaster | i havent played FC3 yet but i ordered it when it was on amazon for $19 |
| 23:13.51 | Eridius | Blood Dragon fixes that though |
| 23:13.55 | Arrowmaster | probably play it when it arrives |
| 23:16.36 | Eridius | is there any way short of tooltip-scraping to find out if an inventory item is locked (as in, pick lock, not as in the API "locked" you get when splitting stacks etc) |
| 23:16.50 | kd3 | doubt it |
| 23:16.55 | Eridius | :/ |
| 23:20.29 | Semlar | you could try seeing if it's inside the hyperlink |
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| 23:30.12 | p3lim | Gah windows 8 is so damn annoying, the small things |
| 23:30.37 | p3lim | My current beef with it is the cursor showing up after a random amount of time while playing a fullscreen video |
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| 23:33.11 | p3lim | Also happens kinda when playing a game, cursor pops up in the middle (fps specifically) |
| 23:36.19 | Neffi__ | I've learned to wait an extended period before adopting Microsoft's products |
| 23:36.25 | Neffi__ | It's usually a good policy to follow |
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