| 00:01.00 | Dagmar | Gods forbid anyone ever work a word problem |
| 00:02.04 | Dagmar | It even walks you through the math on wowpedia, guys. |
| 00:02.23 | Semlar | then why do you think it's 33% |
| 00:02.33 | Dagmar | Because I don't fucking care |
| 00:02.57 | Dagmar | If you cast 33% faster than the default, you'd be at the GCD. |
| 00:03.02 | Semlar | well then stop acting like we're retarded |
| 00:03.08 | Semlar | that's not what he's asking |
| 00:04.56 | Dagmar | Yeah well, he also disbelievs that 50% faster than 1.5 is 1. |
| 00:06.27 | Semlar | the math is just the cast time / 1 + the haste |
| 00:07.19 | Semlar | so the 1.5 gcd / 1.5 = 1 |
| 00:10.58 | Semlar | which actually makes this formula quite easy to figure out how to reduce anything down to 1 second since it's just itself |
| 00:11.44 | Semlar | i would need 200% haste to reduce a 2 second cast to 1 second |
| 00:12.10 | Dagmar | We need a boss that asks a complex word problem of the players. |
| 00:16.32 | Dagmar | ...should the players fail, int is now capped at 90 for the duration of the battle. |
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| 00:46.55 | kd3 | "smart" devices are kinda neat, but... light bulbs? |
| 00:47.14 | Humbedooh | moo |
| 00:47.37 | kd3 | https://www.computerworld.com.au/article/464821/iot_aussies_prepare_ship_wi-fi_connected_lightbulbs/ |
| 00:47.51 | Shadowed | kd having smart light buls are pretty nice actually |
| 00:47.58 | Shadowed | The hue lights that philips released at awesome |
| 00:48.05 | Shadowed | I doubt the lifx ones will be as good though |
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| 03:39.27 | nightcracker_ | does anyone have a clue as to hide the "script ran too long" message? |
| 03:39.38 | nightcracker_ | I simply have something that takes a while and must be ran during combat |
| 03:41.30 | MysticalOS | hiding it won't make your code execute. blizz will block anything slow in combat |
| 03:42.15 | Iriel | Does it have to complete in combat, or just start? |
| 03:42.26 | Iriel | Ideally you should split really long running code up over several frames |
| 03:42.43 | Iriel | either explicitly managing stop/resume, or using a co-routine and yield/resume |
| 03:43.17 | nightcracker_ | MysticalOS: I'm aware of that |
| 03:43.43 | nightcracker_ | it's not bad if the function doesn't finish |
| 03:43.58 | nightcracker_ | but I simply can't predict the runtime, and I just don't want to pop the error |
| 03:44.22 | nightcracker_ | well I could possibly predict the runtime if I'm a tad smart |
| 03:44.23 | Iriel | Is it something where you can periodically see how long you've taken and yield if it's more than a couple of ms? |
| 03:44.35 | Iriel | then next OnUpdate pick up where you left off |
| 03:44.47 | Iriel | OR, optimize the logic so it doesn't take so damn long 8-) |
| 03:45.04 | nightcracker_ | well, I'm doing that tomorrow, but it's hard |
| 03:46.23 | Iriel | What is it calculating? |
| 03:47.00 | nightcracker_ | oh boy |
| 03:47.04 | nightcracker_ | if only you knew |
| 03:47.14 | Iriel | that's why I asked |
| 03:47.19 | nightcracker_ | it's a joke thing |
| 03:47.25 | nightcracker_ | I'll explain |
| 03:47.34 | nightcracker_ | you know restricted environments right? |
| 03:47.47 | kd3 | several people in here implemented them |
| 03:47.57 | Iriel | I largely designed them, yes. |
| 03:48.23 | nightcracker_ | let's just say that there _might_ be a function in the restricted environment that you can influence during combat from non-secure code |
| 03:49.02 | Iriel | There have been a few over the years, sometimes due to bugs in the underlying UI code. |
| 03:49.07 | Iriel | I'd be surprised we have any left. |
| 03:49.24 | nightcracker_ | let's just say that I _might_ have a working prototype of a one-button rotation :P |
| 03:49.32 | nightcracker_ | (without any third party stuff of course) |
| 03:50.02 | Iriel | There were a couple of edge cases in which you could sort of do it but you'd need to pre-allocate things before combat and "consume" them. |
| 03:50.23 | nightcracker_ | nope, all you have to do is load up your rotation script and you can stay in combat forever |
| 03:50.25 | Iriel | Well, obviouslly you'll want to do the right thing if you do have it working, and report it so it can get fixed. |
| 03:50.42 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 03:50.53 | nightcracker_ | I don't want it fixed - I don't want it abused either |
| 03:51.01 | nightcracker_ | I just like to have this little secret :P |
| 03:51.13 | nightcracker_ | it's pretty damn nifty |
| 03:51.19 | nightcracker_ | (if I may say so myself) |
| 03:51.29 | kd3 | the whole point of the addon environment is ui, not ai |
| 03:51.35 | nightcracker_ | true |
| 03:51.51 | nightcracker_ | I'm impressed with blizzard that they even made an addon API in the first place |
| 03:52.04 | nightcracker_ | and even went as far as making a secure system rather than just locking it up when people started abusing it |
| 03:52.10 | nightcracker_ | respect for that |
| 03:55.04 | nightcracker_ | also, for mysterious reasons it crashes the client every once in a while |
| 03:55.18 | nightcracker_ | so not really usable =/ |
| 03:55.26 | nightcracker_ | but that's a good thing too |
| 03:57.26 | nightcracker_ | Iriel: oh well I don't plan on using this anyway, so I'll come clean |
| 03:57.43 | nightcracker_ | Iriel: the trick is that random() is available in the restricted environment |
| 03:57.59 | nightcracker_ | random() on windows uses the default MSVC C rand() function |
| 03:58.36 | Iriel | That was supposed to be fixed |
| 03:58.41 | nightcracker_ | if you make a macro in the lines of this /run setup_random() /click secure_execute |
| 03:58.41 | Iriel | I guess it got broken again |
| 03:59.02 | Iriel | There was a time when the game client used the same PRNG as the UI |
| 03:59.04 | nightcracker_ | then you can bruteforce the rand() inner state |
| 03:59.25 | nightcracker_ | then "predict" the state so that it gets a certain value |
| 03:59.29 | Iriel | Right |
| 03:59.36 | nightcracker_ | (where a value gets assigned to a spell) |
| 03:59.46 | nightcracker_ | and then you se the inner state so that the next call to random() gives that value |
| 03:59.56 | Iriel | It's possible they just consider this "sufficiently impractical" they didn't fix it |
| 04:00.14 | nightcracker_ | they'd probably overseen the possibility |
| 04:00.25 | Iriel | Is setup_random just "normal" code? |
| 04:00.28 | nightcracker_ | "rand() is random if we remove the ability to set the seed, right?!" |
| 04:00.59 | nightcracker_ | as in unsecure? yes |
| 04:01.38 | nightcracker_ | right now my code to figure out the rand() inner state is horribly efficient |
| 04:02.02 | nightcracker_ | but with some better "cryptanalysis" (not that rand() has any form of strength) it can be done really fast |
| 04:02.36 | Iriel | I remember suggesting they use different PRNG states for secure and insecure RNG's |
| 04:03.07 | Iriel | but I suspect you're right that the seed removal was deemed good enough |
| 04:03.22 | nightcracker_ | the biggest problem is that blizzard is still using shitty default random number generators out of the 90s |
| 04:03.33 | Iriel | For the UI |
| 04:03.33 | Iriel | at least |
| 04:03.36 | nightcracker_ | for ANYTHING lol |
| 04:03.52 | nightcracker_ | there exist better RNG's with huge periods that are 20 times faster than rand() |
| 04:03.54 | Iriel | I think the server and important bits of the client are better |
| 04:04.12 | nightcracker_ | http://www.gamedev.net/topic/643890-simple-and-fast-random-number-generator/ |
| 04:07.25 | nightcracker_ | simple implementation I did for profiling - I got down to like 8 cycles per word |
| 04:07.29 | nightcracker_ | err |
| 04:07.31 | nightcracker_ | 2* |
| 04:07.34 | nightcracker_ | (8 cycles per byte) |
| 04:07.54 | nightcracker_ | no, 8 cycles per word - 2 cycles per byte |
| 04:07.56 | nightcracker_ | pff |
| 04:08.22 | Iriel | What's the cycle count for the whole state? |
| 04:08.46 | Neffi_ | Sometimes cats just like to fuck with our minds http://i.imgur.com/DfJXP2R.jpg |
| 04:08.48 | nightcracker_ | do you mean initialization? |
| 04:08.52 | nightcracker_ | (or seeding) |
| 04:09.23 | Iriel | Presumably seeding is variable |
| 04:09.31 | nightcracker_ | ?! no |
| 04:09.43 | nightcracker_ | or what do you mean with variable |
| 04:09.51 | nightcracker_ | (I thought variable time) |
| 04:10.12 | Iriel | I mean variable time, since you have to "drive" the PRNG to a desirable pre-state |
| 04:10.23 | Iriel | though I suppose if you're only caring about a binary choice that's not hard |
| 04:10.25 | nightcracker_ | only weak PRNG's need that |
| 04:10.32 | nightcracker_ | pretty much |
| 04:10.54 | nightcracker_ | modern cryptography is all driven towards constant-time algorithms |
| 04:11.17 | Iriel | But a random number generator is by definition random |
| 04:11.39 | nightcracker_ | yeah, but a PRNG is not |
| 04:12.01 | Iriel | So there's going to be some kind of variation in how many "useless states" you have to consume by calling random() before you're ready for your predictable outcome. |
| 04:12.10 | nightcracker_ | that's 20 |
| 04:12.15 | Iriel | (Assuming you're going for a non-trivial result, like say, rolling a 100) |
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| 04:12.33 | nightcracker_ | 20 rounds, so 160 cycles |
| 04:12.59 | nightcracker_ | though these are rough estimates extrapolating from my rough benchmark |
| 04:13.06 | nightcracker_ | other architectures might have different cycle counts |
| 04:13.10 | nightcracker_ | and this was without SSE |
| 04:13.20 | nightcracker_ | if you need bulk numbers this will go a LOT faster |
| 04:13.59 | nightcracker_ | (that is, until you hit like the 0.5 cpb memory bandwidth limit) |
| 04:14.08 | nightcracker_ | (1 cpb on older intel processors) |
| 04:14.27 | Iriel | I would expect within wow you're dealing with far below the theoretical limit |
| 04:14.34 | Iriel | lua's fast but it's not that fast 8-) |
| 04:14.47 | nightcracker_ | you'd implement it in C of course |
| 04:14.57 | Iriel | But you can't run C code from your wow client |
| 04:15.02 | nightcracker_ | (not to mention that lua has the WORST integer typing ever0 |
| 04:15.09 | Iriel | it has NO integer typing |
| 04:15.10 | nightcracker_ | why would I? |
| 04:15.26 | nightcracker_ | well, it has semi-integer typing in the bit. library |
| 04:15.31 | nightcracker_ | it seems - at least |
| 04:15.40 | nightcracker_ | but outside of that none |
| 04:16.33 | nightcracker_ | this is only interesting as a replacement of the blizzard random() - implemented in the C api of course |
| 04:17.35 | Iriel | I'm not sure we're still talking about the same thing. |
| 04:17.59 | nightcracker_ | hmm yeah :p |
| 04:18.03 | Iriel | Your proof of concept that figures out the state of the WoW client's PRNG, then drives it to a particular value. |
| 04:18.11 | Iriel | I was curious how long it takes it to do that |
| 04:18.25 | Iriel | That would have to be running within the bounds of the lua sandbox |
| 04:18.30 | nightcracker_ | ahhh ok |
| 04:18.37 | nightcracker_ | I was talking about a replacement rand() for blizzard |
| 04:18.53 | Iriel | I'm sure they know how to do that - they are smart people 8-) |
| 04:18.58 | Iriel | And they can google 8-) |
| 04:19.05 | nightcracker_ | oh I hope not |
| 04:19.16 | nightcracker_ | if there's anything I learned so far |
| 04:19.41 | nightcracker_ | is that unless you're explicitly looking for papers or really trustworthy sites, the internet is AWFUL at 1. performance arguments 2. cryptography |
| 04:19.54 | Iriel | Smart people use google differently from not-smart people. |
| 04:19.58 | nightcracker_ | true |
| 04:20.06 | nightcracker_ | either way |
| 04:20.07 | nightcracker_ | next_rand = previous_rand * 214013 + 2531011 |
| 04:20.14 | nightcracker_ | 32 bit unsigned overflow arithmetic |
| 04:20.43 | nightcracker_ | however, MSVC's rand() only gives the all but topmost- 15 bits |
| 04:20.56 | nightcracker_ | that is, (x >> 16) & 0x7fff |
| 04:21.21 | Iriel | That's IT? |
| 04:21.27 | Iriel | that's the extent of microsoft's implementation |
| 04:21.28 | Iriel | ? |
| 04:21.33 | nightcracker_ | yep |
| 04:21.40 | nightcracker_ | glibc is slightly better but not much |
| 04:21.43 | Iriel | Ah, that explains much |
| 04:21.48 | nightcracker_ | the topmost bit is irrelevant since it doesn't affect the output or inner state in anyway |
| 04:21.52 | nightcracker_ | any way* |
| 04:22.04 | nightcracker_ | so the bottom 16 bits are unknown |
| 04:22.32 | Iriel | Most glibc folks I know use random not rand, at least did back when I wrote C code |
| 04:22.34 | Iriel | (long ago) |
| 04:22.37 | nightcracker_ | currently I just query 2 randoms after eachother, then try out all possible bottom 16 bits that lead to the second random |
| 04:23.04 | nightcracker_ | that leads to some false positives, so I filter those out with some more bruteforce queries |
| 04:23.19 | nightcracker_ | overall expected runtime is 2**16 calls to random() |
| 04:23.31 | nightcracker_ | I think it can be done in like 10 |
| 04:23.38 | nightcracker_ | if I'd play it smart |
| 04:24.43 | Iriel | Yeah |
| 04:24.44 | nightcracker_ | most of my time was spent working around lua's stupid float typing |
| 04:25.01 | nightcracker_ | https://gist.github.com/nightcracker/5790754 |
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| 04:25.16 | Iriel | Well, hopefully our blizzard friends can find themselves a non-braindead RNG |
| 04:25.29 | nightcracker_ | I just linked one :P |
| 04:26.45 | nightcracker_ | I saddens me that whenever someone gets to the stage where they know that C's rand() is shit they jump on the mersenne twister bandwagon |
| 04:27.41 | nightcracker_ | I mean it's not bad in itself, but it's from 1997, and ugly, complicated, slow and not as strong as more modern RNG's |
| 04:33.07 | Iriel | One of the problems with RNG's is that different applications have different requirements |
| 04:33.27 | Iriel | As you've demonstrated, sometimes being able to derive internal state is a bad thing |
| 04:33.31 | Iriel | but frequently it'd be irrelevant |
| 04:34.28 | nightcracker_ | if you can derive the internal state it's not an RNG anymore by definition |
| 04:35.00 | Iriel | I dont think I agree with that statement, when talking about PRNG's |
| 04:35.03 | nightcracker_ | then it's a PRNG |
| 04:35.24 | nightcracker_ | and with most PRNG's you want them to behave as RNG's until you look at them really really hard |
| 04:35.41 | Iriel | We're talking about software here, they're all PRNG's |
| 04:35.49 | nightcracker_ | http://xkcd.com/221/ |
| 04:35.55 | nightcracker_ | still relevant |
| 04:35.57 | nightcracker_ | :P |
| 04:36.38 | Iriel | But not particularly useful to the discussion. |
| 04:36.42 | nightcracker_ | true |
| 04:36.57 | nightcracker_ | there's generally 3 categories of PRNG's in use |
| 04:37.08 | nightcracker_ | cryptographic ones |
| 04:37.18 | nightcracker_ | simulation ones |
| 04:37.28 | nightcracker_ | and noise |
| 04:37.54 | nightcracker_ | with noise you don't really care what you get as long as it's different each time and no obvious patterns recognizable by the human eye appear |
| 04:38.17 | nightcracker_ | simulation you actually want good randomness to simulate decisions or for research |
| 04:38.43 | nightcracker_ | with cryptographic ones you want the PRNG to still look random even if an attack throws miillions of dollars worth of computing power against your algorithm |
| 04:39.16 | nightcracker_ | s/attack/attacker/ |
| 04:39.25 | Iriel | When you're talking about cryptography you're usually talking about the combination of a robust (extremely large state relative to output) **AND** unpredictable seeding |
| 04:39.51 | Neffi_ | Why don't we use probablistic noise like radioactive decay instead of PRNGs? |
| 04:40.10 | Iriel | (a) it's harder than you think to make that properly uniformly random |
| 04:40.11 | nightcracker_ | the first is not entirely correct, the second is - it's a different subject called gathering entropy |
| 04:40.11 | Iriel | (b) it's expensive |
| 04:40.13 | Iriel | (at scale) |
| 04:40.29 | nightcracker_ | both correct |
| 04:40.30 | Neffi_ | In fact couldn't you get a high quality RNG from listening to electrical fluctuations already running through a machihne? |
| 04:40.45 | nightcracker_ | Neffi_ intel is busy creating instructions measuring heat for RNG |
| 04:40.49 | Iriel | Neffi_: if they were truly random, and couldn't be observed by an eavesdropper |
| 04:40.55 | Iriel | etc |
| 04:41.15 | nightcracker_ | but I would like to comment on robust (extremely large state relative to output) |
| 04:41.29 | Neffi_ | Well yes, but it's overwhelming hard to recreate the exact conditions of thousands of components feeding off the same fluctuating electrical source |
| 04:41.34 | Iriel | nightcracker_: I'm going to predict you're younger than 30 (probably younger than 25) |
| 04:41.42 | nightcracker_ | I'm 18 :) |
| 04:41.55 | nightcracker_ | so correctly predicted |
| 04:42.38 | nightcracker_ | but most of cryptography is actually the art of expanding output compared to a relatively little input |
| 04:42.50 | Neffi_ | So what do the RNG instructions in newer Intel CPUs do? |
| 04:43.02 | nightcracker_ | I haven't looked at them yet |
| 04:43.07 | nightcracker_ | I only know they are in the making |
| 04:43.29 | Neffi_ | IIRC some of the current desktop and Xeon CPUs include hardware RNGs |
| 04:43.42 | Iriel | My copy of applied cryptography is only 2 years younger than you 8-) |
| 04:43.43 | nightcracker_ | for example a stream cipher's (which is essentially a RNG to XOR with plaintext) entire goal is to expand a tiny seed to a huge output |
| 04:45.27 | nightcracker_ | Iriel: hah I win :) |
| 04:45.30 | Neffi_ | I understand that a software PRNG is basically creating a very long deterministic output given a variable beginning state, but it's still all self-inclusive. With electrical and heat noise being some of the biggest challenges to making tinier and faster computers, don't we already have good RNGs at our disposal? |
| 04:45.54 | nightcracker_ | Neffi_ both correct |
| 04:45.59 | nightcracker_ | however |
| 04:46.13 | nightcracker_ | making a good RNG out of heat noise is very difficult |
| 04:46.28 | Iriel | Neffi_: http://www.google.com/patents/US5732138 |
| 04:46.32 | Neffi_ | Well if it weren't I'd be pretty disappointed lol |
| 04:47.12 | nightcracker_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardware_random_number_generator |
| 04:47.42 | Iriel | Neffi_: that patent actually discusses a good number of the issues around getting random numbers out of "real things" |
| 04:47.52 | Neffi_ | "Hardware random number generators are often relatively slow, that is they produce a limited number of random bits per second. In order to increase the data rate, they are often used to generate the "seed" for a faster cryptographic PRNG" |
| 04:47.57 | Neffi_ | Ah, this is why PRNGs are still involved |
| 04:47.59 | nightcracker_ | yep |
| 04:48.14 | nightcracker_ | also very relevant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-time_pad |
| 04:48.31 | nightcracker_ | one of the big pillars of cryptography |
| 04:49.14 | nightcracker_ | in a nutshell "if you take something secret and mix it in a proper way with non-secret stuff the mixture is secret" |
| 04:49.33 | Neffi_ | Well that's the basis of all cryptography |
| 04:49.51 | Neffi_ | Whether the secret is the method or a random set of data |
| 04:49.56 | nightcracker_ | the entire branch of symmetric cryptography is about that "proper way" |
| 04:50.02 | kd3 | intel's on-die hwrng is in broadwell, supposedly |
| 04:51.01 | nightcracker_ | Neffi_: "obscurity is not security" the method is usually not secret |
| 04:51.11 | Neffi_ | I was thinking of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RdRand |
| 04:51.14 | Neffi_ | It's in Ivy Bridge |
| 04:52.26 | kd3 | oh, that one. I was thinking of RdSeed |
| 04:54.04 | Iriel | A fun analysis of RdRand, should you care: http://www.cryptography.com/public/pdf/Intel_TRNG_Report_20120312.pdf |
| 04:54.29 | Neffi_ | I will read it later. Thanks. |
| 04:56.27 | nightcracker_ | but most of my interest in cryptography comes from optimization interest |
| 04:56.58 | nightcracker_ | currently developing a cipher with another enthusiast and compete in the CAESAR competition - we'll see if we have a chance |
| 04:57.30 | nightcracker_ | and god my english is absolutely horrific tonight |
| 04:57.37 | nightcracker_ | sorry for that |
| 04:58.31 | Humbedooh | ah, to be young and still give a hoot about cryptography :3 |
| 04:58.51 | Iriel | nightcracker_: by IRC standards I dont think you've dipped below the normal english speaker threshold 8-) |
| 04:59.45 | Neffi_ | By USA standard your English is damn near perfect. Don't feel bad. |
| 05:00.49 | Humbedooh | Neffi_: that's setting the bar quite low ;) |
| 05:01.03 | nightcracker_ | Neffi_: fuck you too (jk) |
| 05:01.10 | Iriel | Young crypto-nuts are a good thing, input to the grist mill so we get more good stuff in the end. |
| 05:01.40 | Iriel | It's the confidence that it's "easy" that fades with age 8-) |
| 05:02.02 | Iriel | http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2011/04/schneiers_law.html |
| 05:02.03 | nightcracker_ | if it says anything to anyone - we actually managed to get authenticated encryption down to 3.0 cpb |
| 05:02.03 | Iriel | etc |
| 05:02.04 | Neffi_ | All the normal daily spots are deserted. Where do all the cool kids hang out nowadays? |
| 05:02.15 | Neffi_ | I wanna gank some 90s, preferably geared or gearing ones |
| 05:03.04 | nightcracker_ | Neffi_ if I may ask |
| 05:03.10 | Neffi_ | you may |
| 05:03.17 | nightcracker_ | if something is not geared and not gearING then what is he |
| 05:03.32 | Humbedooh | could be a cow.. |
| 05:03.34 | Neffi_ | in quest greens or dungeon blues still |
| 05:03.36 | kd3 | fresh 90s with greens/blues? |
| 05:03.48 | nightcracker_ | I'm in dungeon blues =( |
| 05:03.55 | Neffi_ | I mean somebody with at least a shot. I'm in half malevolent and the rest a mix of dreadful and equivalent. |
| 05:03.57 | nightcracker_ | dinged 90 like yesterday |
| 05:04.12 | nightcracker_ | came back after a 2 year break |
| 05:04.18 | Neffi_ | I quit in 5.2 and now I feel lost. I can't find people to kill. |
| 05:05.16 | nightcracker_ | do you live in a big city? |
| 05:06.10 | Humbedooh | hey NSA; What do you think Neffi_ should do? |
| 05:06.32 | Neffi_ | Me? |
| 05:06.53 | nightcracker_ | no, the other Neffi_, you silly |
| 05:07.02 | Neffi_ | I live in NYC |
| 05:07.10 | nightcracker_ | then you're doing it wrong |
| 05:07.17 | nightcracker_ | if you can't find people to kill |
| 05:07.24 | Neffi_ | lol |
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| 05:42.16 | nightcracker_ | I forgot |
| 05:42.31 | nightcracker_ | if I say for a=1,2 do is a then local or global? |
| 05:42.52 | nightcracker_ | nevermind - could've just tested it |
| 05:49.50 | Neffi_ | local |
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| 06:07.15 | Iriel | nightcracker_: By the way, your FastRNG class needs 2 contstructors |
| 06:07.42 | Iriel | nightcracker_: Because you can't know whether uint64_t(-1) was the default or the choice of the caller |
| 06:08.11 | nightcracker_ | ah yes |
| 06:09.27 | Iriel | 01hy3+ |
| 06:09.40 | nightcracker_ | ?! |
| 06:09.45 | Iriel | Cat |
| 06:10.26 | Iriel | That cat: http://www.cheeseplant.org/~daniel/images/random/TwigLook_1680.jpg |
| 06:10.37 | Iriel | Walking across my number pad |
| 06:10.50 | nightcracker_ | that's a tiger |
| 06:10.51 | Iriel | (well, one foot on the numpad, one on the hy key) |
| 06:11.08 | nightcracker_ | pretty sure that's stranglethorn vale |
| 06:11.11 | Cairenn | lol |
| 06:11.15 | nightcracker_ | yeah, affirmative |
| 06:11.18 | Cairenn | pretty kitty :) |
| 06:11.25 | Iriel | Sadly she's insane |
| 06:11.51 | Cairenn | Redundant statement is redundant |
| 06:11.52 | Iriel | (moreso than normal for cats) |
| 06:11.57 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 06:12.49 | Iriel | Her sister is not without issues, but is less crazy: http://www.cheeseplant.org/~daniel/images/CarrotFlip_1680.jpg |
| 06:13.01 | Iriel | (and that is her usual orientation) |
| 06:13.07 | Cairenn | another pretty kitty! |
| 06:13.25 | Cairenn | heh, one of mine likes to be like that all the time too |
| 06:13.53 | Iriel | The origin of my steam profile picture is: http://www.cheeseplant.org/~daniel/images/random/Superfang.jpg |
| 06:14.11 | nightcracker_ | Iriel: I don't need no 2 constructors silly |
| 06:14.23 | Iriel | I guess you can make the default time(0) |
| 06:14.41 | nightcracker_ | Iriel: I don't need no 2 constructors silly |
| 06:14.43 | nightcracker_ | woops |
| 06:14.46 | nightcracker_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:14.47 | nightcracker_ | yeah that |
| 06:14.52 | Iriel | that feels dirty 8-) |
| 06:14.58 | Iriel | but hey, it works. |
| 06:15.02 | nightcracker_ | I was being silly in thinking that default arguments have to be constant |
| 06:15.52 | Iriel | Ok, sleep time.. got to hit up the pirate festival tomorrow (http://www.norcalpiratefestival.com/) |
| 06:16.20 | Cairenn | Sweet dreams Iriel :) |
| 06:16.28 | Cairenn | Have fun tomorrow |
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| 06:43.43 | bluipodcow | Is npc scan dead dead ? |
| 06:44.03 | Cairenn | it's being taken over |
| 06:44.08 | Cairenn | points at Torhal |
| 06:44.32 | bluipodcow | Oh god |
| 06:44.49 | bluipodcow | It's DEAD then! |
| 06:44.52 | bluipodcow | :3 |
| 06:47.38 | bluipodcow | In other news I now need to put a job in about roaming ducks |
| 06:47.40 | bluipodcow | Lol |
| 06:48.37 | bluipodcow | *ducks torhal while typing up something about ducks* |
| 06:48.45 | bluipodcow | Duckception |
| 06:50.17 | karl_w_w | are there any flying battle pets that do mechanical damage? |
| 06:50.53 | karl_w_w | probably not, I think mechanical damage is the rarest one to find out of the pet family |
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| 06:54.59 | nightcracker_ | the all-new nintendo game |
| 06:55.03 | nightcracker_ | pokemond battlepet |
| 06:55.09 | nightcracker_ | pokemon* |
| 06:58.51 | karl_w_w | yeah, there aren't any |
| 06:59.14 | karl_w_w | other than dragon kite which is one of the rarest |
| 07:01.54 | karl_w_w | at 160k gold on my AH or $130 on ebay |
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| 07:09.05 | bluipodcow | What level is that new tree pet ? |
| 07:09.43 | bluipodcow | The treant looking one at the pet store |
| 07:10.02 | bluipodcow | Does it come as a level 1 battle pet ? |
| 07:12.11 | karl_w_w | most likely |
| 07:13.11 | bluipodcow | Yay ! |
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| 07:35.24 | zenzelezz | "You'd think that atoms bonding would mean they're being friendly to each other, but instead they steal each other's electrons. How ionic." |
| 07:35.29 | zenzelezz | this was a great way to start the day |
| 07:35.44 | Constie | I get it. |
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| 07:39.45 | Thunder_Child | Die in a fire zenzelezz |
| 07:40.48 | nevcairiel | TC doesnt like nerdy jokes |
| 07:41.28 | Thunder_Child | I don't like puns. There is a difference . |
| 07:41.40 | Fisker | hey nevcairiel |
| 07:42.44 | nevcairiel | hey Fisker |
| 07:42.54 | Fisker | I'm mad |
| 07:42.56 | Fisker | wanna be mad with me? |
| 07:43.01 | nevcairiel | nope |
| 07:43.10 | Fisker | oh ok |
| 07:43.13 | Fisker | lol |
| 07:43.19 | Fisker | The SCO case is back |
| 07:43.33 | nevcairiel | again? |
| 07:43.56 | Fisker | yep |
| 07:44.01 | Fisker | just got reopened |
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| 07:50.23 | mikma | fisker: verkkokauppa.com and jimms.fi |
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| 08:08.08 | bluipodcow | Lolololololol |
| 08:08.53 | bluipodcow | Someone wanting to store their addon and wtf folder on an active directory server |
| 08:09.32 | bluipodcow | Not sure how well that'll go. Maybe use sym links |
| 08:19.35 | tzarc | mmmm, mine are in a git repo on bitbucket |
| 08:20.32 | Fisker | how would that be an issue bluipodcow ? |
| 08:21.14 | bluipodcow | Not sure if windoze would allow a sym link to an folder on an AD server |
| 08:21.16 | bluipodcow | Mmmmmm |
| 08:21.20 | bluipodcow | AD |
| 08:21.30 | bluipodcow | *eats* |
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| 08:33.46 | Fisker | why don't you know how windows works bluipodcow ? |
| 08:34.33 | bluipodcow | I use mac lol |
| 08:34.37 | bluipodcow | U mad? |
| 08:35.22 | Fisker | umad |
| 08:36.56 | Fisker | somad |
| 08:39.45 | bluipodcow | Oh my |
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| 08:48.25 | Fisker | prepare for nextgen bluipodcow |
| 08:48.53 | bluipodcow | *bends over* |
| 09:05.10 | Neffi_ | Summing up Dr Who: "here, get attached to this character so we can replace him on you" |
| 09:05.47 | bluipodcow | I thought that was George r Martin that does that ? |
| 09:05.59 | bluipodcow | Kills off your beloved characters |
| 09:07.28 | Neffi_ | that's just another level altogether |
| 09:07.37 | Neffi_ | I think George Martin is a serious sadist |
| 09:08.04 | Neffi_ | A pscyhological sadist if you will. He enjoys invoking pain in others. |
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| 09:09.29 | bluipodcow | Ohhai2u harl |
| 09:10.05 | harl | salut |
| 09:10.33 | Semlar | attaches to Neffi |
| 09:27.28 | Fisker | bluipodcow |
| 09:35.10 | Fisker | do you even lift bluipodcow ? |
| 09:35.29 | bluipodcow | *lufts fusker* |
| 09:38.02 | Fisker | you fail bluipodcow |
| 09:43.26 | Semlar | do you even fusk |
| 09:44.34 | Neffi_ | wtf |
| 09:44.38 | Neffi_ | Semlar get off |
| 09:44.43 | Semlar | it's too late |
| 09:44.50 | Fisker | a? |
| 09:44.56 | Semlar | we're forever bound |
| 09:45.03 | Neffi_ | LEECH |
| 09:45.15 | Neffi_ | no means no Semlar |
| 09:45.28 | Semlar | your mouth says no but your eyes say yes |
| 09:46.30 | Neffi_ | You cannot comprehend my special eyes |
| 09:46.39 | Semlar | AAAAAALWAYS |
| 09:46.42 | Neffi_ | do you even have my brand? |
| 09:46.46 | Neffi_ | I DIDNT THINK SO |
| 09:47.36 | nebula169_ | decapitates Semlar and Neffi_ and stitches their heads to the other's body |
| 09:47.46 | Semlar | it's just like face off! |
| 09:47.54 | Neffi_ | hahaha |
| 09:47.56 | Semlar | i'll be nicholas cage |
| 09:48.14 | Neffi_ | sounds like a game show from Bad Wolf |
| 09:48.32 | Semlar | well it's a known fact if you swap faces with somebody you BECOME that person |
| 09:48.33 | Neffi_ | also, Semlar wtf you need to lift more |
| 09:48.35 | Semlar | nobody could possibly tell you apart |
| 09:48.37 | Neffi_ | this will not do |
| 09:48.57 | Semlar | i've clearly gotten the betetr deal |
| 09:48.59 | Neffi_ | oh btw enjoy that chest infection |
| 09:49.06 | Neffi_ | finally i dont have to be sick anymore |
| 09:49.13 | Semlar | i will enjoy it |
| 09:49.25 | Neffi_ | Coffee helps |
| 09:49.28 | Semlar | coffee always helps |
| 09:49.37 | Neffi_ | also you might be addicted to caffeine, nicotine and possibly crave illicit substances |
| 09:49.50 | Semlar | nothing new |
| 09:49.55 | Neffi_ | oh, all good |
| 09:50.12 | Semlar | wait i still have my brain should i be addicted to the same things |
| 09:50.40 | Neffi_ | if you even have to question it, it's only a matter of time until your next fix |
| 09:50.42 | Neffi_ | addict |
| 09:50.47 | Semlar | apparently a fusker is an image scraping utility |
| 09:50.58 | Semlar | i have never heard this term used to describe a spider before |
| 09:51.18 | Neffi_ | anyway back to watching Dr Who |
| 09:51.27 | Semlar | dr tennant |
| 09:51.30 | Neffi_ | Curse you assholes. One of you recommended it. |
| 09:51.48 | Neffi_ | 2nd season. I dont know their damn names. I liked the first guy though, |
| 09:51.51 | Neffi_ | (2005+) |
| 09:51.53 | Semlar | i recommend vampire prosecutor |
| 09:52.00 | Neffi_ | vampire whatnow? |
| 09:52.02 | Semlar | the first guy was the invisible man |
| 09:52.06 | Humbedooh | Neffi_: mr. eccleston? |
| 09:52.15 | Humbedooh | or the really really first? |
| 09:52.22 | Neffi_ | The first in the 2005 reboot |
| 09:52.30 | Neffi_ | umm |
| 09:52.49 | Semlar | i'm trying to remember what show he was the invisible man in |
| 09:52.53 | Neffi_ | http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/icwales2/dec2012/2/5/image-4-for-dr-who-stamps-gallery-116214509.jpg |
| 09:52.55 | Neffi_ | him |
| 09:53.03 | Neffi_ | the guy with the coke nose |
| 09:53.06 | Humbedooh | that'd be chris eccleston |
| 09:53.27 | Humbedooh | nfi why he got replaced so early in the game :| |
| 09:53.58 | Neffi_ | i dunno. i started really enjoying it. and then this young hipster looking fuck comes along. |
| 09:54.03 | Semlar | oh yeah it was heroes |
| 09:54.07 | Neffi_ | and all he's doing is sleeping. i'm like "wtf?!" |
| 09:54.23 | Semlar | first doctor played an invisible guy in heroes |
| 09:54.55 | Semlar | you would think it would be easy to play an invisible character |
| 09:55.47 | Neffi_ | he's certainly ugly enough |
| 09:56.03 | Semlar | he was basically a homeless person |
| 09:56.17 | Neffi_ | well the Dr is basically a homeless person |
| 09:56.23 | Neffi_ | so he must've fit right in |
| 09:56.24 | Semlar | just like superman.. |
| 09:56.30 | Neffi_ | fuck superman |
| 09:56.40 | bleeter | stalin |
| 09:56.46 | Semlar | how far into this series are you |
| 09:57.03 | nevcairiel | i thought david tennant was the most brilliant of the new doctors so far |
| 09:57.35 | Semlar | david tennant should come back as the next doctor |
| 09:57.50 | bleeter | next doctor needs to be an old black lesbian |
| 09:58.06 | Semlar | that would certainly be a departure from the norm |
| 09:58.07 | Neffi_ | Semlar: Maybe less than halfway through 1st episode of 2nd season |
| 09:58.13 | Semlar | ah |
| 09:58.14 | nevcairiel | then give it time |
| 09:58.16 | nevcairiel | he'll grow on you |
| 09:58.22 | Semlar | or in you |
| 09:58.26 | Neffi_ | He reminds me of the lead singer of Muse |
| 09:58.36 | Neffi_ | I expect him to techno out and start whining |
| 09:58.57 | Semlar | i don't particularly like the new doctor |
| 09:59.17 | Neffi_ | Well in all fairness I didnt like the show at all the first few episodes, but I stuck with it and am glad. |
| 09:59.27 | Neffi_ | I get the feeling it's gonna be that way with every new doc too |
| 09:59.50 | Semlar | i think i just don't like him because he isn't david tennant |
| 10:00.11 | Semlar | he may have ruined the series for me |
| 10:00.33 | Semlar | set the bar too high.. |
| 10:00.36 | nevcairiel | at first i didnt like matt smith either, but he managed to find his own way |
| 10:00.39 | Neffi_ | you never know what'll happen |
| 10:00.49 | nevcairiel | but now he is leaving agin, so all is open again |
| 10:01.08 | Neffi_ | I bet you hated Jamie Lannister until you realized he wasn't really an incarnation of evil, just a typical jerk with a half-honorable past |
| 10:01.31 | nevcairiel | i didnt really hate him all that much |
| 10:01.44 | Semlar | i haven't watched that show |
| 10:01.46 | nevcairiel | i do hate that brat of a king though |
| 10:01.50 | Neffi_ | he pushed a fucking 10 year old out of a window easily a hundred feet up |
| 10:01.58 | Semlar | ha |
| 10:02.07 | Semlar | well now he's growing on me |
| 10:02.20 | nevcairiel | to be fair, he was the one fucking, not the 10 year old |
| 10:02.24 | Neffi_ | it takes losing a hand to earn some likability |
| 10:03.09 | Semlar | but back to vampire prosecutor |
| 10:03.18 | Semlar | see it's a show about a prosecutor |
| 10:03.24 | Semlar | who's also a vampire |
| 10:03.39 | Semlar | and he uses his vampire powers to solve cases |
| 10:03.43 | Neffi_ | Does he sentence people to die by draining? |
| 10:03.54 | Semlar | no he doesn't carry out their sentences |
| 10:04.03 | Semlar | that would be ridiculous |
| 10:04.07 | Neffi_ | this is TV. anyone can do anything they want. |
| 10:04.39 | Semlar | what he does is he licks the crime scene and then sees what the victim saw before they died |
| 10:04.43 | Neffi_ | this is the same creation that probably still has you believing a defribrilator can bring a flatline back to rythm |
| 10:05.20 | Semlar | vampire prosecutor is one of my favorite shows |
| 10:05.24 | Semlar | like, ever |
| 10:05.30 | Neffi_ | it sounds cheesy |
| 10:05.35 | Semlar | it's so good |
| 10:05.53 | Semlar | there's a new season coming out later this year |
| 10:05.54 | Semlar | i can't wait |
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| 10:16.26 | Semlar | i think the next season of dexter is supposed to be starting soon |
| 10:36.23 | Maldivia | in two weeks |
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| 10:39.06 | Neffi_ | http://i.imgur.com/fleSxdP.gif |
| 10:40.19 | Humbedooh | look, it's the booth babe |
| 10:40.47 | Humbedooh | tharper: also, no - my dad weaves stuff and that's plenty embarrassing! |
| 10:41.23 | Humbedooh | (and he doesn't do it very well ;C) |
| 10:45.51 | tharper | hahahah |
| 10:46.11 | tharper | weaving is hard! |
| 10:46.40 | Humbedooh | apparently so! |
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| 11:03.28 | airtonix | Neffi_: interesting. you been working on that all night? |
| 11:27.09 | Neffi_ | lol |
| 11:27.29 | Neffi_ | just found it mesmerizingly disgusting and hilarious |
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| 12:34.03 | bleeter | Fisker: |
| 12:35.18 | Fisker | bleeter: |
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| 12:58.38 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
| 12:58.40 | Fisker | lets hug |
| 12:59.20 | bluspacecow | *http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa62/brocklynn76/Prince/l_7e3ab2dbeecc516e7fa102b980131e08.jpg |
| 12:59.22 | bluspacecow | kk |
| 12:59.43 | Fisker | that's not a hug |
| 13:01.09 | tharper | Maybe it is in his culture |
| 13:01.24 | Fisker | hey tharper |
| 13:01.28 | tharper | hey! |
| 13:01.47 | Fisker | you are not a jerk right? |
| 13:01.54 | tharper | Indeed, I am not |
| 13:02.36 | tharper | whyfor do you ask? |
| 13:03.42 | Fisker | idk |
| 13:04.12 | tharper | kk |
| 13:04.18 | tharper | 'tis a fair question, though |
| 13:04.35 | Fisker | i thought |
| 13:04.36 | Fisker | so |
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| 14:14.40 | Ctrlaltdeny | Hi guys, would anyone mind answering a quick question? (hopefully) I'm pretty new to Lua and figuring it out, I have a frame parenting question. |
| 14:15.48 | Elkano | ~asktoask |
| 14:15.48 | purl | Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help, if they can. |
| 14:16.13 | bluspacecow | NOPE |
| 14:16.19 | nightcracker | wait a sec |
| 14:16.20 | bluspacecow | dinner and a movie first |
| 14:16.26 | nightcracker | I thought spacecows were red |
| 14:16.29 | Ctrlaltdeny | lol |
| 14:16.35 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 14:16.39 | bluspacecow | y u want to cook me ? |
| 14:16.39 | Ctrlaltdeny | What kind of dinner are we talking? |
| 14:16.44 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:16.49 | nightcracker | Ctrlaltdeny: there's more people around |
| 14:16.53 | nightcracker | just ask |
| 14:16.59 | bluspacecow | just starting talking |
| 14:17.04 | nightcracker | there might be some guy called nightcracker |
| 14:17.07 | nightcracker | not sure though |
| 14:17.10 | bluspacecow | either you'll get an answer |
| 14:17.20 | bluspacecow | or you'll look silly for talking to a light pole |
| 14:18.09 | Ctrlaltdeny | Ok - when creating a frame, does it HAVE to be joined to UIParent, or can I make it seperate - reason being for my UI install code I would like to hide all other frames than the one I create to ask to install the UI, but hiding UIParent obv removes the prompt as well... |
| 14:18.57 | Elkano | no, you don't have to parent to UIParent or one of its children |
| 14:19.27 | Ctrlaltdeny | Lemme drop my pastebin in here... |
| 14:19.59 | Ctrlaltdeny | http://pastebin.com/0Q9J7i5R |
| 14:20.24 | Elkano | CreateFrame("frame") should give you a frame not parented to anything thus it (and its children) shouldn't hide with UIParent |
| 14:20.26 | Ctrlaltdeny | Having trouble how to actually define a different parent... so my prompt shows but the rest does not |
| 14:20.55 | Ctrlaltdeny | Oh, lemme try that |
| 14:20.55 | Elkano | you can set a parent either in the createFrame call or via frame:SetParent() |
| 14:21.25 | Ctrlaltdeny | I thought it was setting UIParent by not having parent arg assigned... |
| 14:21.37 | nightcracker | no |
| 14:21.49 | nightcracker | if you don't explicitly give a parent the frame has no parent |
| 14:22.13 | Neffi_ | It could also be parented to WorldFrame, which is separate from UIParent |
| 14:22.21 | Neffi_ | nothing is probably a better idea though |
| 14:22.26 | nightcracker | there's a problem I see though |
| 14:22.34 | Ctrlaltdeny | Well, trying it like this: local f = CreateFrame("Frame") still doesnt show the popup... |
| 14:22.36 | Neffi_ | you might want to run: myFrame:SetScale( UIParent:GetScale() ) |
| 14:22.39 | Ctrlaltdeny | Maybe its the template |
| 14:22.42 | nightcracker | If I'm not mistaken static popups are always parented to the UIParent |
| 14:22.57 | Ctrlaltdeny | Ahh, that might be it, so I have to set parent to worldframe? |
| 14:22.58 | nightcracker | so you'll have to manually re-parent it |
| 14:23.04 | nightcracker | meh |
| 14:23.13 | nightcracker | just do frame:SetParent(nil) |
| 14:23.15 | Neffi_ | Ctrlaltdeny: Did you set its height, width, and position? |
| 14:23.19 | Elkano | also, make sure it's shown and positioned inside the visible area |
| 14:23.20 | Ctrlaltdeny | No not yet |
| 14:23.23 | VIad | I can't have a pixel perfect UI :D |
| 14:23.25 | Neffi_ | That's why |
| 14:23.25 | Ctrlaltdeny | Im still learning |
| 14:23.35 | Neffi_ | If its size and position are not yet defined, it doesn't get drawn |
| 14:23.44 | Ctrlaltdeny | it does appear when I do alt Z after hiding UIParent |
| 14:23.55 | Ctrlaltdeny | I just need to get it seperate from that parent |
| 14:23.58 | nightcracker | yes |
| 14:24.14 | nightcracker | the problem is that staticpopups are by default parented to UIParent |
| 14:24.18 | Neffi_ | try :SetParent(nil) or :SetParent(WorldFrame) |
| 14:24.24 | nightcracker | do /framestack , find the actual name of the popup and re-parent it |
| 14:24.30 | Ctrlaltdeny | Yes, that will be the answer, I will try defining it like that, one mo |
| 14:24.38 | Neffi_ | Oh, well.. |
| 14:24.40 | nightcracker | try to be nice and reparent it back to UIParent when you |
| 14:24.43 | nightcracker | 'when you're done |
| 14:24.49 | Ctrlaltdeny | oh yes it will be |
| 14:24.57 | Neffi_ | It's a bad idea to be mucking about with the properties of existing frames like StaticPopupDialog |
| 14:24.57 | Ctrlaltdeny | it doesnt actually prompt the user once installed |
| 14:25.00 | nightcracker | I think staticpopups use a shared frame, not sure though |
| 14:25.04 | Ctrlaltdeny | so this is just cleanliness |
| 14:25.25 | nightcracker | Ctrlaltdeny: I would disrecommend doing this from a design perspective though |
| 14:25.38 | Neffi_ | It's ugly, and it could break things |
| 14:25.44 | Ctrlaltdeny | Any reason? |
| 14:25.45 | nightcracker | I wouldn't like it if an addon hid everything just to ask me a question |
| 14:25.55 | nightcracker | ESPECIALLY not if I just installed |
| 14:25.56 | Neffi_ | Ideally you want to hand craft the popup dialog yourself in this situation |
| 14:26.08 | Ctrlaltdeny | This is just for install on a new toon, they press reload and are done, everything back to normal |
| 14:26.12 | nightcracker | yes |
| 14:26.18 | nightcracker | and what if I don't want to press reload |
| 14:26.23 | Ctrlaltdeny | Its just I dont want ugly ill configured addons popping up with the prompt |
| 14:26.29 | Ctrlaltdeny | like recounts config window for i.e |
| 14:26.45 | Ctrlaltdeny | if you dont press reload Ill un-hide UIParent |
| 14:26.46 | Ctrlaltdeny | :P |
| 14:27.18 | Ctrlaltdeny | That part of error checking ive already done in my code |
| 14:27.33 | Ctrlaltdeny | Was just the frame issue thats all |
| 14:27.55 | Neffi_ | lol : http://pastebin.com/YLsBWtx9 |
| 14:28.57 | Neffi_ | Pastebin is full of this shit right now. People really want to believe they can protest the NSA. |
| 14:29.01 | Ctrlaltdeny | lmao |
| 14:29.53 | Ctrlaltdeny | the type of frame is a static popup dialog, does that change how I would put in frame:SetParent(nil)? |
| 14:30.45 | Neffi_ | nope |
| 14:30.49 | karl_w_w | http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Xbox-One-Games-E3-Were-Running-Windows-7-With-Nvidia-GTX-Cards-56737.html |
| 14:31.39 | Ctrlaltdeny | so I just change frame:SetParent(nil) to NewChar:SetParent(nil) as in the name of the popup itself? |
| 14:33.50 | nightcracker | find out the name of the frame using /framestack |
| 14:34.13 | Neffi_ | Microsoft, you so crazy |
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| 14:44.29 | Ctrlaltdeny | So, f:SetParent(nil) doesnt work |
| 14:45.21 | Ctrlaltdeny | Think ive figured why though... |
| 15:00.40 | ZorbaBeta | not really surprising, especially given how close the xbox one is going to be to a consumer computer |
| 15:29.18 | karl_w_w | did someone here add my battletag? |
| 15:30.40 | karl_w_w | ~1 day ago |
| 15:30.52 | karl_w_w | because I have a pending request I know nothing about |
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| 17:00.35 | durcyn | yeah, let's have the quad-A records for chat.freenode.net always return a server in italy, that's brilliant |
| 17:04.46 | Thunder_Child | It's a good thing it is done that way then? |
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| 17:49.33 | Maldivia | I get an Italien, Swedish, Romanian and Lituanian location when querying |
| 17:53.42 | bluspacecow | hmmmm |
| 17:53.45 | bluspacecow | wot do ? |
| 17:54.55 | Maldivia | bluspacecow: durcyn was complaining a bit ago that AAAA records for chat.freenode.net always returned an Italian server |
| 17:55.06 | bluspacecow | oh :) |
| 17:55.51 | Maldivia | and in good IRC style, I commented on it 45 minutes later :) |
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| 17:57.55 | kd3 | http://pastebin.com/t9NanX8c I'd traceroute to see where those addresses go but I don't have my tunnel set up |
| 18:00.13 | Maldivia | what's what whois is for |
| 18:01.55 | bluspacecow | lol ipv6 |
| 18:03.13 | bluspacecow | http://pastebin.com/7yq4bGyc |
| 18:07.24 | Maldivia | kd3: here are (truncated) traces: http://pastebin.com/7uuLYSbf |
| 18:10.55 | kd3 | ...wait, what? sco's trying again? http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2013061516065416 |
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| 18:18.06 | Maldivia | apparently they found some money somewhere, and their laywers convinsed them this was a good way to spend thme? |
| 18:19.08 | Dagmar | You expect their laywers to tell them to buy some corn? |
| 18:19.16 | Dagmar | <Lawyers> Give us the money. |
| 18:19.36 | bluspacecow | mmmm corn |
| 18:19.49 | Maldivia | no, I expect the lawyers to try to weasel as much money out of SCO as they can |
| 18:19.52 | bluspacecow | MOAH CORN! |
| 18:19.53 | bluspacecow | http://www.korn.com/ |
| 18:20.03 | Maldivia | pop corn... |
| 18:20.12 | bluspacecow | race car porn |
| 18:20.27 | bluspacecow | wait how'd i get there ? |
| 18:20.38 | Dagmar | MMmmmm... Danica Patrick |
| 18:20.56 | Maldivia | this evolved quickly |
| 18:21.49 | bluspacecow | i feel i should sleep with this danica patrick issue |
| 18:21.52 | bluspacecow | um |
| 18:21.56 | bluspacecow | sleep on ! |
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| 18:46.16 | mikma | anyone playing marvel heroes here? |
| 18:48.30 | Maldivia | tried it... found it boring |
| 18:48.52 | zenzelezz | so you're saying you didn't find it to be a marvelous game? |
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| 18:52.54 | Maldivia | and graphics wise, it looks like something that was released in 2000, not 2013 |
| 18:54.48 | Dagmar | So, it's like Duke Nuke'm Forever? |
| 18:57.18 | Thunder_Child | ~lart zenzelezz |
| 18:57.19 | purl | burns zenzelezz to a crisp with a laser |
| 18:59.04 | mikma | maldivia: and it's completely free! and better than diablo 3, woooo |
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| 20:26.20 | m^rk | I have a frame that has as <Layers> section with single layer that has level="OVERLAY" and <Frames> section with some entires in xml.. normally the <Layers> appear on top of the frames, but after last major patch it seems sometimes the frames are appearing on top, noticed only after entering a dungeon. Is there any way to force the layers to always be on top of the frames? the frames don't |
| 20:26.21 | m^rk | have any special strate settings or anything like that |
| 20:27.16 | zenzelezz | hm, that sounds odd |
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| 20:31.18 | zenzelezz | did you try messing around with frame level/frame strata? (whatever it's called) |
| 20:33.46 | m^rk | no |
| 20:35.41 | Semlar | move the layers under where you create the frames |
| 20:37.54 | Semlar | if that doesn't work then you'll probably need to create another frame to hold your textures that gets created after the frames you want it to appear on top of |
| 20:45.22 | karl_w_w | I'm pretty sure I strained my ass while bowling today |
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| 20:52.58 | Thunder_Child | TMI karl_w_w, TMI. |
| 20:53.40 | karl_w_w | You're not afraid of a bit of ass are you Thunder_Child :o |
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| 21:11.59 | Fisker | poops on karl_w_w |
| 21:18.13 | karl_w_w | thank you Fisker |
| 21:21.10 | Thunder_Child | It's not fear karl_w_w |
| 21:44.00 | karl_w_w | whats that shadow priest spell they got for burst damage |
| 21:44.11 | karl_w_w | it does shadowfrost damage |
| 21:44.19 | karl_w_w | mind spike |
| 21:54.03 | m^rk | is it best to leave fames unnamed since it pollutes a global namespace? |
| 21:54.08 | m^rk | frames |
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| 21:56.44 | Seerah | m^rk: generally, yes |
| 22:31.12 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn: http://i.imgur.com/Y9OvB8G.gif |
| 22:31.27 | Cairenn | ROFL |
| 22:32.12 | zenzelezz | oh, kitty... |
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| 23:16.40 | bleeter | lol Arrowmaster |
| 23:27.05 | VIad | hey guys |
| 23:27.33 | VIad | good night guys |
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| 23:35.07 | Syllios | How can I obtain some sort of character loss of control event? |
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| 23:49.48 | p3lim | Is there some function that lets me see if an item is associated with a quest? |
| 23:50.00 | p3lim | For example, the Sigils for the legendary chain |
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