| 00:06.08 | bleeter | Cairenn: Do you have a feeling as to whether Rob Ford as spectacular as the media paint him to be? |
| 00:06.17 | Cairenn | meh |
| 00:07.04 | Cairenn | I have some thoughts, but I don't typically talk politics (or religion, or a few other things) publicly |
| 00:07.40 | Cairenn | Although if you ask me about the Senate right now ... >< |
| 00:07.56 | Cairenn | I'm a lot more pissed off about that than I am about Mr. Ford |
| 00:09.10 | bleeter | Cairenn: in other candian news https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151645017511047&set=vb.297262913632707&type=2&theater |
| 00:09.18 | bleeter | which is not politics or religion :D |
| 00:09.22 | Cairenn | heh |
| 00:09.55 | bleeter | just have to look at the first few frames to have a good idea where the video... |
| 00:12.31 | Cairenn | oh boy |
| 00:12.45 | bleeter | lel |
| 00:13.00 | Cairenn | oh fuck .... this is gonna be ugly |
| 00:13.35 | Cairenn | oooops |
| 00:13.50 | Cairenn | wasn't actually as bad as I thought it was going to be |
| 00:13.54 | Cairenn | (thank goodness) |
| 00:14.00 | bleeter | yar, but any worse people would've been maimed |
| 00:14.06 | Cairenn | yep |
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| 00:18.33 | Cairenn | What I was expecting, however, was the straps to let go .... |
| 00:19.30 | kd3 | eesh |
| 00:19.54 | Cairenn | And that would have been UUUUUUUGGGGGGGHHHHHHly |
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| 01:09.30 | Ackis | Cairenn: http://i.imgur.com/7Z1DQsE.jpg |
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| 01:10.23 | Cairenn | smart mommy! |
| 01:23.32 | airtonix | pompy: there is no autocomplete google api for notepad++ |
| 01:26.08 | pompy | yeah, sucks |
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| 02:31.05 | kd3 | wru stock news widget? |
| 02:31.07 | kd3 | grrs |
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| 03:22.30 | Seerah | huh... now I have the perma-"release spirit" dialog... oh good - no need for suicide. just needed to log onto a different character |
| 03:23.53 | Mr_Rabies | it didn't go away when you hit release spirit? |
| 03:24.21 | Seerah | I honestly didn't try that after hearing the guy on here yesterday or the day before try to get rid of it |
| 03:24.33 | Seerah | >< |
| 03:25.00 | Seerah | (It popped up at a reload while I was alive) |
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| 06:43.55 | Stanzilla | holy shit |
| 06:44.01 | Stanzilla | opera mail becoming a standalone client |
| 06:44.13 | Stanzilla | finally something to get rid of crappy thunderbird? |
| 06:46.42 | zenzio | I've pretty much stopped using anything besides the Gmail app on my phone and the web interface... though that doesn't really help if you're not using a Gmail account |
| 06:48.00 | haste | this might mean opera becomes relevant again :P |
| 06:48.28 | haste | main reason for not switching earlier was the lack of vertical tabs, but I've lived without that for over year with chrome now |
| 06:49.48 | zenzio | I wonder if there are any stats on Seamonkey usage |
| 06:50.07 | Stanzilla | http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/opera-next-15-0-released |
| 06:50.08 | zenzio | all-in-one browser/mail/chat hasn't quite been in the wind for a while |
| 06:50.11 | Stanzilla | the mail client is pretty awesome |
| 06:50.24 | haste | no linux version yet |
| 06:53.07 | Bruners | haste: /usr/bin/opera -nomail! also vertial tabs |
| 06:59.05 | haste | Bruners: but only on one level, right? |
| 06:59.46 | Bruners | haste: no treestyle sadly :/ but "awesome" tab groups |
| 06:59.49 | Mr_Rabies | <@Seerah> (It popped up at a reload while I was alive) |
| 07:00.10 | Mr_Rabies | every time that's happened for me hitting release spirit makes it go away, it's been happening since 5.2 |
| 07:07.24 | haste | the awesome groups aren't very awesome Bruners :P |
| 07:08.27 | Bruners | haste: more like utter shit when you know about treestyletabs :P |
| 07:10.26 | Bruners | but still vertical! |
| 07:10.42 | haste | :P |
| 07:12.46 | Fisker | outlook best outlook eu Stanzilla |
| 07:12.50 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 07:12.59 | haste | hey Fisker |
| 07:13.09 | Bruners | outlook express is best outlook |
| 07:13.41 | Mr_Rabies | i think it indirectly got us a better half life 2 |
| 07:17.30 | haste | probably |
| 07:17.35 | haste | also ten points for remembering |
| 07:17.40 | zenzio | "if ($this->isSomeBooleanValue) { return true; } else { return false; }" *cry* (and I know, "lulz PHP") |
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| 07:20.41 | Fisker | how so Bruners ? |
| 07:20.49 | Fisker | i mean how so Mr_Rabies |
| 07:21.42 | Mr_Rabies | didn't the source code leak result because of exploiting outlook express? |
| 07:22.09 | Mr_Rabies | which delayed the game further |
| 07:22.17 | Fisker | no |
| 07:22.58 | Bruners | Fisker: did you bing this? if so try google |
| 07:23.20 | Fisker | As i recall he exploited some server |
| 07:23.27 | Fisker | then found a hole in their internal email server |
| 07:23.28 | Maldivia | zenzio: well, if on the other end they do a === true or === false check, then I don't see anything wrong :P |
| 07:23.35 | Fisker | which then he used to fish out more login information |
| 07:23.40 | zenzio | Maldivia: but they don't |
| 07:23.49 | Fisker | eventually gaining access to the hl2 source code respository |
| 07:24.51 | Maldivia | zenzio: then yeah, it's a but superfluous |
| 07:28.23 | Alram | <Mr_Rabies> i think it indirectly got us a better half life 2 |
| 07:28.26 | Alram | it really did |
| 07:28.44 | Mr_Rabies | fisker's right |
| 07:28.57 | Mr_Rabies | i was thinking it was outlook express that let the initial attack happen |
| 07:29.04 | Mr_Rabies | i don't know why |
| 07:29.07 | Alram | its outlook expres |
| 07:29.11 | Alram | express |
| 07:29.16 | Alram | its probably to blame somehow |
| 07:29.20 | Alram | it always is |
| 07:29.40 | Mr_Rabies | i don't really know if the leak really had anything to do with delaying the game |
| 07:29.51 | Alram | it did |
| 07:30.15 | Mr_Rabies | it was definitely really, really unfinished, though i understand they sort of had to frankenstein some stuff together to even get it stable from what they got |
| 07:30.58 | Alram | hl2 leak had cool stuff |
| 07:31.02 | Alram | but the final game was def. better |
| 07:32.35 | Alram | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:32.52 | Alram | http://sectorw.wikia.com/wiki/Half-Life_2_Beta |
| 07:33.19 | Alram | The hacker was also able to guess Gabe Newell's password, which was simply "gaben" |
| 07:33.21 | Alram | classic. |
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| 08:13.29 | Fisker | man Alram |
| 08:13.34 | Fisker | i thought it was MoolyFTW |
| 08:17.03 | Alram | he changed it to that im sure |
| 08:17.10 | Alram | him and Mooly are besties |
| 08:17.23 | Fisker | siiiiiiiiiiiiigh |
| 08:17.36 | Fisker | our backup server had major connectivity issues |
| 08:17.56 | Fisker | turns out the retard who made our naming standard vlan tagged it with letters |
| 08:18.03 | Fisker | hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 08:18.11 | Fisker | how is that even possible? |
| 08:19.16 | bluspacecow | because |
| 08:19.18 | bluspacecow | herp derp |
| 08:32.34 | Fisker | wow Alram |
| 08:32.35 | Fisker | magic |
| 08:32.39 | Fisker | my package from the US |
| 08:32.51 | Fisker | just popped up magically for delivery on package tracking |
| 08:32.56 | Fisker | no received from the us or anything |
| 08:36.31 | zenzio | it wasn't actually shipped from the US, they just want you to think it was |
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| 08:41.36 | bluspacecow | your ipad right fisker ? |
| 08:41.45 | Fisker | nope |
| 08:41.59 | Alram | amazing, Fisker |
| 08:42.44 | Fisker | amazionary |
| 08:51.50 | Semlar | does anyone know how to check if summon companion is on cooldown |
| 08:52.14 | Semlar | i'm not really sure what spell it casts to summon one of your minipets |
| 08:57.49 | Maldivia | isn't there only the global cooldown - and then the individual pet cooldown? |
| 08:58.45 | Semlar | yeah i need to check that i can currently summon a minipet |
| 08:58.52 | Semlar | but it's being prevented by the GCD |
| 08:59.15 | Semlar | and i don't know how to check if there is currently a cooldown going on the pet spell because i can't figure out what it's called |
| 09:00.04 | Semlar | the action is just "summonpet 0x0000etc" |
| 09:00.33 | Maldivia | check a random spell, see if it's on global cooldown |
| 09:00.54 | Semlar | meh |
| 09:01.18 | Semlar | i'd need to know that the spell is affected by the gcd if i'm going to check it |
| 09:02.43 | Maldivia | the get a spell for the pet you want to summon |
| 09:02.47 | karl_w_w | cant u just check the cd like any other spell |
| 09:02.51 | Semlar | i can't figure out what it's called |
| 09:03.01 | Semlar | it's not just the name of the pet |
| 09:03.04 | Maldivia | Semlar: GetCompanionInfo returns the spellId |
| 09:03.19 | bluspacecow | God Semlar |
| 09:03.23 | bluspacecow | just use the pokedex |
| 09:03.24 | Semlar | :( |
| 09:04.05 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:04.05 | Semlar | http://www.wowpedia.org/API_C_PetJournal.GetPetCooldownByGUID what the ef |
| 09:04.15 | Semlar | how did i miss this |
| 09:04.35 | bluspacecow | because |
| 09:04.40 | bluspacecow | ponies |
| 09:05.18 | Semlar | oh, because it's not on wowprogramming |
| 09:12.33 | Semlar | i was just getting tired of my pet disappearing all the time |
| 09:17.52 | Semlar | i'm sure there's probably some addons out there that already do this |
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| 09:22.01 | Semlar | i'm sure this is going to end up getting me killed at some point for invoking the global cooldown |
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| 09:33.37 | Fisker | a? |
| 09:33.42 | Semlar | a. |
| 09:34.10 | Fisker | good |
| 09:40.22 | Semlar | i'm assuming i can't autosummon a hunter pet if i don't have one without a hardware event |
| 09:43.29 | Maldivia | most likely not |
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| 10:06.15 | Semlar | saved variables always load after your script does, right |
| 10:07.26 | Semlar | like if i had a global in the file with the same name as the saved variable it would never overwrite the variable |
| 10:07.41 | Semlar | the saved variable would always overwrite it |
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| 10:26.44 | Neffi_ | yes |
| 10:26.57 | Neffi_ | Semlar: see ADDON_LOADED, VARIABLES_LOADED |
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| 10:54.42 | karl_w_w | that's how saved variables work |
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| 12:17.54 | Semlar | hm, i think blizzard mixed up the belt and shoulder models for the hunter LFR and normal tiers |
| 12:21.43 | karl_w_w | mixes it up with Semlar |
| 12:21.57 | Semlar | my brain hurts |
| 12:22.14 | Semlar | i need sleep |
| 12:22.21 | Semlar | i mean coffee |
| 12:22.26 | karl_w_w | headache? tumor? pickaxe? |
| 12:24.32 | karl_w_w | oh my |
| 12:24.35 | karl_w_w | pocket aces |
| 12:25.16 | karl_w_w | but they don't seem to have anything |
| 12:25.34 | karl_w_w | unless this douche just hit a flush |
| 12:25.48 | karl_w_w | yep |
| 12:31.32 | Fisker | how is that even possible Semlar ? |
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| 12:32.57 | Semlar | well, i think they may be designed for those sets but they look better with the other set of gear |
| 12:34.07 | Semlar | http://www.wowhead.com/transmog-set=1627 this is the raid finder gear |
| 12:34.16 | Semlar | http://www.wowhead.com/transmog-set=1625 this is the normal gear |
| 12:35.04 | Semlar | the shoulders look like they should be swapped and the belt would have to go with the shoulders |
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| 13:09.32 | zenzio | tickles Lopeppeppy |
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| 13:11.22 | Lopeppeppy | Happy not-so-Monday, zenzio! |
| 13:12.00 | zenzio | indeed |
| 13:13.10 | karl_w_w | Lopeppeppy why do people cook sausages so quickly? |
| 13:13.23 | Lopeppeppy | Because if you cook them longer, they burn? |
| 13:13.23 | karl_w_w | don't they know anything? |
| 13:13.34 | Semlar | http://www.wowhead.com/item=34627 what the heck |
| 13:13.44 | zenzio | I guess it begs the question, what kind of sausages? |
| 13:14.14 | karl_w_w | any kind |
| 13:14.39 | karl_w_w | the kind you eat |
| 13:15.58 | Lopeppeppy | You cook them for as long as they require... I mean, I'm baffled by the question. If someone isn't cooking your snausages long enough, send 'em back. |
| 13:16.53 | karl_w_w | the opposite to "quickly" and preferable method being "slowly" |
| 13:17.10 | zenzio | do you cook (in water) or... my English is bad here, roast? bake? them on a pan? |
| 13:17.17 | Semlar | boil |
| 13:17.23 | karl_w_w | fry |
| 13:17.41 | karl_w_w | heaven knows why you'd boil a sausage |
| 13:17.46 | Semlar | you boil hotdogs |
| 13:17.54 | Semlar | well, you can |
| 13:18.02 | Lopeppeppy | Pan fry usually, or in the summer you grill some of the larger varieties that are more the size of hot dogs. |
| 13:18.07 | karl_w_w | yes, but we're talking about sausages not hotdogs :P |
| 13:18.13 | Semlar | hotdogs are sort of sausages |
| 13:18.26 | zenzio | here we have some kinds that you do boil, and some you fry. Which is better is basically a holy war question |
| 13:18.31 | karl_w_w | now peppy is confusing me |
| 13:18.56 | karl_w_w | how fuckin titchy must your regular sausages be if they are considered small compared to hotdogs? |
| 13:19.01 | alestane | She does this, karl_w_w. |
| 13:19.45 | karl_w_w | but anyway yes, fry sausages slowly people |
| 13:20.04 | karl_w_w | in cases when you are frying them and they are sausages |
| 13:20.28 | Semlar | the only sausages i'm really familiar with are breakfast sausages and they're usually smaller than hotdogs |
| 13:21.44 | Lopeppeppy | Breakfast sausages are generally finger sized. Dinner sausages are hot dog sized-ish. Keilbasa and croghan bologna (which is a type of smoked sausage) are both long coiled "cut your own size" jobbies. Snausages are not born alike. |
| 13:22.42 | Lopeppeppy | If I mistakenly put breakfast sausage in my jambalya, it would be a grave error. |
| 13:23.22 | zenzio | my Australian friends were so perplexed about hot dogs when they visited here |
| 13:23.30 | zenzio | supposedly that's barely a thing down there |
| 13:23.42 | karl_w_w | o.O |
| 13:23.50 | karl_w_w | maybe it was just them |
| 13:23.59 | zenzio | I would not be surprised |
| 13:23.59 | Maldivia | and your Chinese friends were as well, whne they figured out it was not dog, but actually pork? |
| 13:24.10 | karl_w_w | i mean you can't buy hot dogs on street corners here but you can certainly buy them all over the place |
| 13:24.18 | Lopeppeppy | Hot dogs really are... ungodly and I'd rather just eat the scraps so I'd know what was in there. |
| 13:24.19 | zenzio | karl_w_w: they're from Newcastle, if that tells you anything |
| 13:25.08 | Semlar | so they're used to tiny burgers? |
| 13:25.29 | Semlar | oh no i'm thinking of white castle |
| 13:25.44 | karl_w_w | oh i see you have a thing called a breakfast sausage which is tiny |
| 13:25.46 | Lopeppeppy | Coals to Newcastle, burgers from White Castle. |
| 13:26.10 | karl_w_w | google is helping! |
| 13:26.24 | karl_w_w | I've never seen a sausage that small before |
| 13:26.29 | Semlar | i get that a lot |
| 13:26.31 | karl_w_w | other than a chipolata of course |
| 13:26.35 | Lopeppeppy | That's what she said. |
| 13:26.36 | karl_w_w | haha |
| 13:28.40 | karl_w_w | so are they small because americans are uncharacteristically restrained about breakfast or is it so you can have more of them? :P |
| 13:28.55 | Semlar | it's so we feel better about stuffing our face with them |
| 13:29.02 | Semlar | or possibly so we can fit more on the plate |
| 13:29.17 | karl_w_w | and perhaps because they'd cook faster |
| 13:29.47 | karl_w_w | sausages are usually the things that take longest to cook in a breakfast |
| 13:30.00 | Semlar | well if you have a breakfast that's sausage, bacon and eggs you'd have like 2-3 little sausages and a few strips of bacon and a plate full of eggs |
| 13:30.22 | Semlar | and probably some toast |
| 13:30.36 | karl_w_w | doesn't sound worth the effort! |
| 13:30.52 | Semlar | here in america we just have someone else do that for us |
| 13:30.53 | karl_w_w | if you're going to go to the trouble of cooking a breakfast you may as well go the whole hog |
| 13:31.01 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 13:31.49 | Semlar | my breakfast consists of a bowl of cereal and a cup of coffee |
| 13:32.08 | Semlar | i'm not about to make bacon and eggs |
| 13:32.24 | Semlar | well i guess actually that wouldn't take very long |
| 13:32.45 | karl_w_w | yeah I don't remember the last time I cooked breakfast |
| 13:33.03 | Lopeppeppy | I microwave my scrambled eggs. |
| 13:33.07 | Semlar | i was making eggs there for a while because they're pretty cheap |
| 13:33.17 | Semlar | but i've gotten lazy |
| 13:33.18 | Lopeppeppy | has just caught on that alestane dissed her, and draws her sword. |
| 13:33.20 | karl_w_w | I'm usually in a hurry or not in a hurry, and when I'm not in a hurry it's because I've got nothing going on that day so cbf starting it off with effort |
| 13:33.42 | alestane | How was that intended to be disrespectful, Peppy? |
| 13:33.53 | Lopeppeppy | I dunno. Still wanna duel? |
| 13:34.09 | Semlar | i have a gas stove so the difference between nuking some eggs and frying them up isn't that much |
| 13:34.22 | Semlar | and i think they taste a lot better not out of the microwave |
| 13:34.29 | karl_w_w | scrambled eggs are the most boring form imo |
| 13:34.40 | karl_w_w | sorry, only boring form |
| 13:34.53 | alestane | Lesson one in Hyborian fencing: precise point control is everything. |
| 13:35.00 | Semlar | omelette du fromage |
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| 13:38.26 | Maldivia | Semlar: only one more month until Dexter returns... the serialkiller version of him, that is :) |
| 13:39.32 | Semlar | soon.. |
| 13:42.21 | Ressy | yay.. Can't wait for Dexter |
| 13:43.25 | Maldivia | Semlar: I assume your omelette du fromage was a reference to Dexter's Laboratory ? |
| 13:43.56 | Semlar | oui |
| 13:44.13 | Lopeppeppy | Precise control. *giggle snark* |
| 13:48.32 | Maldivia | I wonder if the "du" was on purpose |
| 13:49.38 | zenzio | du -csh ? |
| 13:52.46 | bluipodcow | Hmmmm |
| 13:53.26 | bluipodcow | Would there be a reason for all of someone's LoD addons not loading? |
| 13:53.46 | Semlar | perhaps it has been demanded that they don't |
| 13:53.52 | bluipodcow | Someone can't get omnicc working |
| 13:54.12 | bluipodcow | Told them need to enable omnicc_config |
| 13:54.17 | bluipodcow | Still nada |
| 13:56.18 | karl_w_w | do they have omnicc? :P |
| 13:56.19 | Maldivia | zenzio: the du in "omelette du fromage" |
| 13:56.43 | zenzio | why would that not be on purpose? |
| 13:56.52 | Semlar | it's not correct |
| 13:56.54 | karl_w_w | epic typo? |
| 13:57.39 | zenzio | Maldivia: what should it be? au, dy, di, do? |
| 13:58.39 | zenzio | I've made quite epic typos myself |
| 13:58.43 | Maldivia | au would be more correct |
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| 14:35.57 | pompy | Arrowmaster: "Arrowmaster completed the game Battlefield 3 and is the 3,196th gamer on the site to complete it" grats:o |
| 14:41.40 | Stanzilla | someone needs to pick this up and finish it http://www.fidelify.net/ :< |
| 14:42.51 | nevcairiel | such players are usually rather nonsense |
| 14:43.16 | nevcairiel | or snake oil, how the audiophiles call it |
| 14:43.31 | Stanzilla | problem is that you can't change the output of spotify |
| 14:43.33 | Stanzilla | that is annoying as fuck |
| 14:43.39 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: but the digital bits get purerer with ASIO!! |
| 14:44.16 | nevcairiel | from his screenshots he didnt even have ASIO hardware but used ASIO4ALL, thats even more nonsense |
| 14:44.50 | Kalroth | it's the thought that counts when it comes to being an audiophile |
| 14:45.01 | nevcairiel | more like audiophool |
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| 14:45.20 | Kalroth | those gold plated $5,000 cables are worth it too |
| 14:45.27 | Kalroth | hdmi cables* |
| 14:45.45 | nevcairiel | not as much as the $5000 power cables |
| 14:46.46 | Kalroth | http://www.pearcable.com/sub_products_anjou_sc.htm best speaker cables |
| 14:46.51 | Kalroth | 12 foot pair - $7250 |
| 14:47.12 | nevcairiel | speakers are at least analog, so cables to make some kind of difference |
| 14:47.22 | nevcairiel | s/to/do/ |
| 14:47.37 | Kalroth | but $600 per foot?! |
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| 14:47.49 | nevcairiel | yeah probably not :p |
| 14:48.33 | Kalroth | speaking of which, anyone got experience with 802.11ac? |
| 14:48.40 | Kalroth | supposedly 1.3gbit wifi |
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| 14:48.54 | nevcairiel | does anything eevn support that yet |
| 14:49.01 | Kalroth | yup |
| 14:49.13 | Kalroth | lots of usb 3 dongles + pci cards |
| 14:49.18 | Kalroth | and S4 |
| 14:49.23 | nevcairiel | apparently that motherboard i want for haswell has it |
| 14:49.29 | nevcairiel | but why would i want my PC to do wireless |
| 14:49.46 | Kalroth | maybe you're moving your motherboard around a lot |
| 14:49.54 | Kalroth | and dont want to be limited by ethernet cabling |
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| 15:00.36 | Unkle | Station! |
| 15:00.46 | Lopeppeppy_ | Dance party! |
| 15:01.06 | Unkle | Be excellent to each other. |
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| 15:28.10 | Unkle | So, I signed up for the Wildstar beta today - and it's all wobin and Kaelten's fault. |
| 15:30.53 | Lopeppeppy_ | What does a wildstar do? |
| 15:31.22 | Unkle | It's a new cartoony SF MMORPG that looks like it might be fun. |
| 15:32.37 | mikma_ | looks nice |
| 15:33.17 | Unkle | I hadn't heard of it until I saw Wobin tweet about it, then I went to the site and thought, "I'd like to play that." |
| 15:35.03 | Unkle | Group play looks to be pretty standard stuff - holy trinity in full effect. Combat looks a lot more "run & gun" than WoW is, and looks like there's plenty of solo content and it looks like PVP might actually be interesting. |
| 15:39.28 | bluipodcow | A wild star does what a spider pig does |
| 15:39.48 | bluipodcow | Mac client u |
| 15:39.53 | bluipodcow | Unkle? |
| 15:41.03 | Unkle | Hrm? |
| 15:41.13 | Unkle | My gaming rig is mostly a windows box. |
| 15:43.25 | Unkle | I play WoW on my MacBook Pro sometimes from the road, but mostly I play on my desktop box which is Win7/i5/16GB/nVidia 645gtx with all SSDs. It's about 2.5 years old, but it plays pretty much everything I want to. |
| 15:49.24 | karl_w_w | you know what I'm thinking? how are bins not a solvable problem |
| 15:49.36 | karl_w_w | we seem to be forever taking rubish out |
| 15:49.50 | karl_w_w | why has nobody invented a silent kitchen trash compactor? |
| 15:50.16 | Unkle | Because what will happen when your droids get stuck in them? |
| 15:50.52 | karl_w_w | I had not thought of that |
| 15:51.02 | Unkle | Curse their metal bodies. |
| 15:51.47 | karl_w_w | we need homer simpson running our trash collection |
| 15:52.23 | Unkle | ... no? |
| 15:53.29 | karl_w_w | but. |
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| 16:01.54 | Fisker | i like this Shirik |
| 16:01.59 | Fisker | i seek help on an issue |
| 16:02.01 | Fisker | i find a post |
| 16:02.10 | Fisker | which was solved by the guy posting the issue without actually posting the solution |
| 16:02.23 | karl_w_w | old Fisker |
| 16:11.37 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 16:12.09 | Arrowmaster | Fisker: you do AD admin right? |
| 16:12.14 | Shirik | http://xkcd.com/979/ |
| 16:12.29 | Fisker | i do everything Arrowmaster |
| 16:13.39 | Arrowmaster | at work ive got a PC replacement thats on hold because the user was part of a pilot program to move from the old legacy domain to the new domain, there are two primary AD domains and old users have accounts on both |
| 16:14.04 | Arrowmaster | the previous users i did as part of this migration all still have issues after it, mostly its network permissions |
| 16:14.37 | Arrowmaster | am i just under estimating how hard it is to find all network share permissions a user has and copy them over? |
| 16:18.15 | Unkle | yes. |
| 16:18.28 | Unkle | Especially in the cases of multiple domains. |
| 16:19.55 | Unkle | network share permissions - in a well-managed domain - should be in user groups. But that almost never actually happens in domains which have grown organically or contain lots of legacy systems. |
| 16:20.18 | Arrowmaster | well until now theyve only ever used one account to login to windows, so the other account has no special permissions |
| 16:20.42 | Arrowmaster | but from what i can tell non of the network shares are setup using group permissions, its all individual users |
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| 16:20.58 | Unkle | Yeah, but it's possible - though bad form - to give a user permission at the resource and not via group. |
| 16:21.16 | Unkle | And when you do that - there's no central record |
| 16:21.39 | Arrowmaster | so you would have to manually check the permissions of every directory? |
| 16:21.46 | Arrowmaster | or script it |
| 16:21.51 | Unkle | Yeah. |
| 16:22.06 | Arrowmaster | seems like something they should have scripted in the past month at work |
| 16:22.11 | Unkle | You can do it with some VB Scripting, but ... oy the pain. |
| 16:22.25 | karl_w_w | I imagine such a thing must already exist |
| 16:22.26 | Arrowmaster | probably powershell |
| 16:22.35 | Unkle | I was just typing that. |
| 16:23.11 | Arrowmaster | yeah probably already does exist but bank NIH syndrome in effect that they wont use it |
| 16:23.32 | karl_w_w | who has to know :P |
| 16:24.02 | Unkle | Trusting scripts from outside sources is scary for lots of IT departments. Especially if the thing is outside their area of expertise. |
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| 16:25.29 | karl_w_w | evidently your bank is watching me |
| 16:28.42 | Xuerian | Unkle: good luck getting in to wildstar's beta, a lot of us who registered in 2011 haven't gotten in yet =| |
| 16:29.03 | Unkle | Xuerian: I might try asking a favor of an ncsoft employee. |
| 16:29.17 | Xuerian | ooo. |
| 16:29.45 | Unkle | I don't know if they can do it, but ... he's a good dude and he might be willing to help me out. |
| 16:30.09 | Lopeppeppy_ | 2011? Wow. That's a long beta. |
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| 16:36.16 | Unkle | It only recently went to "closed beta" status. So, you know, who knows? |
| 16:36.57 | Shirik | IT doesn't even trust scripts from inside sources |
| 16:37.07 | cogwheel | HAI |
| 16:37.15 | Shirik | their justification for making software engineering manage their own computers was that our build system runs custom code, and therefore we could do anything |
| 16:37.29 | Unkle | Shirik: Often with good reason. |
| 16:37.44 | Unkle | cogwheel: HAI2U |
| 16:37.50 | Shirik | hai cogwheel |
| 16:37.55 | zenzelezz | as one sketch went, IT administrators have a direct conflict of interest with every user |
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| 16:38.43 | Shirik | IT wants to make everything impossible |
| 16:38.46 | Shirik | and users want to do things |
| 16:39.01 | Lopeppeppy_ | Thus, there is HATE |
| 16:39.05 | Unkle | The 'system' must be perfect and pristine. |
| 16:39.53 | cogwheel | Have you tried turning it off and back on again? |
| 16:39.54 | Unkle | I just spent the last 15 minutes reminding users to use the "update" buttons so I could make sure all the security patches are installed. |
| 16:40.10 | Shirik | so true story |
| 16:40.17 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 16:40.18 | Shirik | our IT just bricked about 25% of the computers in the company |
| 16:40.21 | Shirik | last week |
| 16:40.50 | ccox | nice |
| 16:40.52 | Shirik | apparently some update they pushed out conflicted with our encryption software, and anyone that has rebooted their machine now BSODs on startup |
| 16:40.59 | Shirik | IT solution: "it's ok we'll just reimage it" |
| 16:41.00 | Unkle | goes back to reading about firewalls |
| 16:41.15 | ccox | is someone charging lost time to IT's budget center? |
| 16:41.16 | alestane | Reimaging is almost always faster than diagnosing the actual problem. |
| 16:41.20 | Shirik | of course not |
| 16:41.35 | zenzelezz | so did they just break them, or fully brick them? |
| 16:41.39 | Shirik | alestane: Sure, but I think they're forgetting that the rest of the people in the company actually do work |
| 16:41.50 | Shirik | ok so brick is not quite the right word |
| 16:41.52 | Shirik | but it's close enough |
| 16:42.17 | Fisker | heh Shirik |
| 16:42.25 | Fisker | we were told to remotely flash bioses by our boss |
| 16:42.31 | Shirik | rofl |
| 16:42.38 | Fisker | i'm just rubbing my hands in anticipation |
| 16:42.45 | Lopeppeppy_ | the Boyfriend constantly battles users who want quote "full admin rights" on their laptops. They can install software on their machines - but someone told them that "IT was holding back a level of access" and they're constantly pissed off about it. |
| 16:42.46 | Shirik | this sounds like a great idea |
| 16:43.06 | Fisker | nothing can go wrong Shirik |
| 16:43.09 | Shirik | someone in the company had a Linux computer |
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| 16:43.22 | Shirik | IT freaked out because they didn't have the root password |
| 16:43.29 | Shirik | so they installed a keylogger onto it |
| 16:43.32 | Shirik | dead serious |
| 16:43.41 | Lopeppeppy_ | Oh jeez. |
| 16:43.42 | Lopeppeppy_ | *laugh* |
| 16:43.43 | alestane | A Linux keylogger? |
| 16:43.45 | Shirik | not sure if anyone lost their job over that |
| 16:43.48 | Shirik | yup |
| 16:44.04 | Fisker | why not just change the password? |
| 16:44.05 | Shirik | not sure of the details beyond that but I know people flipped out |
| 16:44.07 | Fisker | hey |
| 16:44.10 | alestane | Was this a company laptop? |
| 16:44.12 | Fisker | how did they even install the keylogger? |
| 16:44.21 | Shirik | desktop, but yes |
| 16:44.34 | Shirik | no idea |
| 16:44.41 | Shirik | could have been some exploit or something |
| 16:44.44 | Shirik | I didn't ask |
| 16:44.45 | Maldivia | how did they manage to install a keylogger worth anything, if they didn't have root access? |
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| 16:44.55 | Shirik | you people think that linux is so secure, ha! |
| 16:45.38 | Fisker | would've been easier to just add a user with root rights |
| 16:45.40 | cogwheel | your face is so secure |
| 16:45.49 | cogwheel | (sorry… coworkers are a bad influence) |
| 16:45.50 | Maldivia | well, guess aliasing su to their own program would be a easy first step |
| 16:45.53 | Dagmar | Spoiler: They had to have used a USB keystroke recorder |
| 16:46.10 | Shirik | I mean let's be honest |
| 16:46.13 | Shirik | they had physical access |
| 16:46.16 | Dagmar | Otherwise it's fucking simple to break into a Linux box _when you actually possess the equipment, physically_ |
| 16:46.19 | Shirik | which basically means they can do anything |
| 16:47.31 | Fisker | it's so easy that even do it on a windows box is harder |
| 16:47.34 | Shirik | Dagmar: I think the idea was that they don't want anyone to know |
| 16:48.18 | Dagmar | Fisker: _Everything_ on a Windows box is annoying and overcomplicated--except installing malware. |
| 16:48.29 | Shirik | and crashing |
| 16:48.35 | Fisker | want bans? |
| 16:48.38 | Dagmar | Shirik: Then a USb recorder is probably what they used |
| 16:48.43 | Dagmar | They're even cheap |
| 16:49.06 | Arrowmaster | i reinstalled win7 on my dads laptop and installed MSE, first day he already had that fake FBI thing |
| 16:49.29 | Shirik | 'nothing can protect against stupid husers |
| 16:49.30 | Shirik | users |
| 16:49.31 | Maldivia | fake FBI thing? |
| 16:49.38 | Dagmar | Maldavia: Ransomware |
| 16:49.43 | Maldivia | ah |
| 16:50.01 | Fisker | we had one of those like a month ago |
| 16:50.02 | Arrowmaster | says your computer is locked by the fbi but you can go purchase a moneypac from a store and input it to unlock it |
| 16:50.18 | Fisker | he told me he had a virus on it, and then that he didn't visit any weird sites! |
| 16:50.24 | Shirik | webex is so strange |
| 16:50.42 | Maldivia | Shirik: then use one of all the other alternatices :P |
| 16:50.44 | Shirik | Hello Matthew Del Buono, Please join my meeting that is currently in progress. ..... You are an Alternate Host for this meeting. Please click the link below to start the meeting now. |
| 16:50.51 | Shirik | But you just told me it is in progress..... |
| 16:52.02 | TC-work | start it on your box? |
| 16:52.11 | TC-work | as opposed to 'join' |
| 16:52.42 | Shirik | no the join part is under "To join the online meeting (Now from mobile devices!) " |
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| 17:32.18 | pompy | http://venturebeat.com/2013/05/27/noise-canceling-tech-could-lead-to-internet-connections-400x-faster-than-google-fiber/ |
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| 17:45.50 | zenzelezz | you could stream so much 4K porn with that kind of bandwidth |
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| 18:05.22 | Arrowmaster | HUMBLE BUNDLE 8 IS LIVE |
| 18:08.12 | Arrowmaster | average price dropped to almost $4 then started going back up, cheapass's get in quick |
| 18:09.32 | Kalroth | is it a good or shitty bundle |
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| 18:09.50 | TC-work | Subjective |
| 18:10.20 | TC-work | I'm not a huge fan of side scrollers |
| 18:11.58 | Arrowmaster | looks good to me |
| 18:20.00 | ZorbaGama | I feel sort of silly paying $5 for a pack of games in which I already own all but one |
| 18:20.20 | ZorbaGama | but I've been meaning to buy that one, and even paying above the average it's still cheaper than buying it alone. and maybe I'll get soundtracks in the future if they augment this bundle. so . . . okay |
| 18:20.28 | TC-work | Just think of it as buying one game for $5 |
| 18:20.33 | TC-work | which still is not bad |
| 18:20.38 | ZorbaGama | yeah, and I totally would've bought it for $5 |
| 18:20.45 | Arrowmaster | there are soundtracks |
| 18:20.57 | ZorbaGama | oh hey, there's the soundtracks. didn't see the button |
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| 18:23.12 | Arrowmaster | 5 of the 7 games are also in steam linux already |
| 18:30.26 | Arrowmaster | bundle is upto $4.99 average |
| 18:31.18 | Mr_Rabies | i'm not really interested in any of the games in the bundle that i don't already have :( |
| 18:31.36 | Mr_Rabies | which, the only one i have is hotline miami |
| 18:31.38 | Arrowmaster | i only had 1 of them |
| 18:34.38 | Mr_Rabies | super house of dead ninjas is 50% off, though |
| 18:35.25 | Mr_Rabies | probably gonna pick it up, got $4 left in my steam wallet |
| 18:36.04 | Mr_Rabies | from when i sold one of my xbox 360s to gamestop, and bought $75 in steam gift cards immediately using my store credit :f |
| 18:37.55 | Mr_Rabies | in unrelated news: http://procatinator.com/?cat=92 |
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| 19:51.33 | Neffi_ | Now that's unsettling. I turned off the downstairs stereo last night via a hardware switch on the power strip. It came on by itself a few minutes ago. |
| 19:51.52 | TC-work | Is the power strip on? |
| 19:51.54 | Humbedooh | spooooky |
| 19:51.59 | Neffi_ | This isn't abnormal, so to make sure it didn't turn itself off, I turned off the power strip. |
| 19:52.07 | Neffi_ | s/off/on/ |
| 19:52.16 | bleeter | oh crap, today is 'write docs' day. can someone give me a highly infectious illness please? |
| 19:52.38 | TC-work | that has a short incubation and 24 hour run time? |
| 19:52.46 | Neffi_ | TC-work: If it isn't, I'm getting the hell out of the house. |
| 19:52.54 | bleeter | TC-work: 36 hours would be good. |
| 19:53.06 | TC-work | Neffi_: Well, induction is possible. |
| 19:53.12 | Neffi_ | Even if it's on, it's a pretty rugged power strip with a switch that's hard-ish to press. I can't imagine a mouse flipping it. |
| 19:53.23 | TC-work | bleeter: webmd |
| 19:53.27 | Neffi_ | Induction? Not likely |
| 19:54.18 | TC-work | Why does your stereo turn itself on anyway? |
| 19:54.25 | Neffi_ | Not quite sure |
| 19:54.37 | TC-work | sounds like a timer/alarm |
| 19:54.44 | Neffi_ | Nope |
| 19:54.49 | Neffi_ | Doesnt even have the feature |
| 19:55.14 | Neffi_ | I figured maybe it's building up enough capacitance for a static discharge to cycle the soft switch |
| 19:55.14 | Lopeppeppy | Speaking of alarms, I need to figure out why my iPhone continues to deliver my work calendar after I freakin' deleted it... |
| 19:55.44 | Neffi_ | But it happens a lot. And at creepy times. And always manages to turn itself to a station during particularly creepy parts of songs. |
| 19:56.34 | Neffi_ | Ever hear the song Freewill by Rush? |
| 19:56.38 | Lopeppeppy | "People are strange when you're a stranger, faces look ugly when you're alone..." |
| 19:56.46 | Lopeppeppy | "I will choose free will..." ? |
| 19:56.48 | Neffi_ | It turned on just in time to hear the lyrics "A host of holy horrors to direct our aimless dance |
| 19:56.48 | Neffi_ | " |
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| 19:57.40 | Neffi_ | The thing makes it really hard to believe in reasonable explanations =| |
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| 19:58.20 | Lopeppeppy | I was never ever frightend of the murderer on our block. He nurtured orchids and raised hamsters. The neighborhood is still in shock! < Love Jimmy Buffett |
| 19:58.30 | bleeter | Neffi_: I've had this happen to me exactly twice in my life. Inexplicable power switch state change. |
| 19:58.58 | Neffi_ | I've had straight up cheesy things happen here |
| 19:59.08 | bleeter | Neffi_: I just put it down to flashbacks to teenage years |
| 19:59.18 | bleeter | the power switch's teenage years, of course. |
| 19:59.24 | bleeter | because I never did anything... |
| 19:59.30 | Neffi_ | Like feeling the hair on the back on my neck rise, a chill down my spine, and then my light bulb explode |
| 19:59.47 | Neffi_ | If ghosts are haunting me, they spend way too much time watching shitty horror movies |
| 20:01.09 | TC-work | You might not know otherwise |
| 20:01.27 | Arrowmaster | i added all the locations i goto for work to a google map... http://goo.gl/maps/OksWY |
| 20:02.28 | Arrowmaster | i cover too large of an area now |
| 20:02.33 | Neffi_ | That's quite a range |
| 20:02.46 | Arrowmaster | worst part is that i dont live inside it |
| 20:02.56 | Neffi_ | You must spend most of your day driving |
| 20:03.05 | Arrowmaster | a lot yeah |
| 20:03.15 | Neffi_ | what do you do? |
| 20:03.22 | Arrowmaster | replace computers |
| 20:03.29 | Neffi_ | fun |
| 20:05.56 | TC-work | At least your traffic there is not too bad. |
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| 20:06.37 | Arrowmaster | it gets bad around cinci |
| 20:07.05 | Arrowmaster | and i had trouble coming home from columbus last week, a truck took out a high tension line across the highway |
| 20:07.09 | TC-work | I was looking at that, but bad is subjective as I am comparing it against LA traffic. |
| 20:07.57 | Arrowmaster | i have no clue how bad LA is in rush hour, ive only been through it in the middle of the day to and from LAX |
| 20:09.14 | TC-work | 'Parking Lot' is an apt description. |
| 20:10.36 | Unkle | In LA rush hour, you might as well resign yourself to anything taking an extra 2 hours. |
| 20:14.06 | Lopeppeppy | Many people just don't bother to go home. They go to the gym, or stagger their work hours, or anything to avoid going home when everyone else does. |
| 20:14.44 | Cairenn | At least it's not Toronto, which has the dubious distinction of being the busiest freeway in NA. I hate hate hate driving through TO. |
| 20:15.00 | Cairenn | (the 401 through TO*) |
| 20:15.25 | nevcairiel | just steps into a subway when leaving work, exits it shortly after, and never sees any traffic |
| 20:15.33 | TC-work | Human traffic |
| 20:15.37 | nevcairiel | owning a car is totally overrated |
| 20:16.12 | TC-work | Cairenn: Is that the freeway that has the onramp/offramp buffers? |
| 20:16.25 | TC-work | I always thought that was a nifty idea when I was there. |
| 20:16.26 | Cairenn | ? |
| 20:16.31 | Cairenn | The water barrels? |
| 20:16.37 | TC-work | Uh no |
| 20:16.53 | Cairenn | Or the extended side ramps? |
| 20:16.55 | TC-work | It's like 2 extra lanes for getting on and off of the freeway |
| 20:16.58 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 20:17.08 | Cairenn | And yeah, that's TO |
| 20:17.11 | nevcairiel | if i can believe the movies i saw, water barrels are everywhere, and its always hilarious if someone crashes into them |
| 20:17.26 | TC-work | I thought that would have helped with the traffic....guess not. |
| 20:17.32 | Cairenn | Oh, it helps |
| 20:17.35 | Lopeppeppy | especially in winter when the water barrels are frozen solid. |
| 20:17.36 | Unkle | It's never hilarious, but those barrels save lives. |
| 20:18.08 | Cairenn | I can only imagine how completely asinine it would be if it didn't have those extended ramps |
| 20:18.23 | TC-work | You mean like here? :p |
| 20:18.27 | Cairenn | Heh |
| 20:18.45 | nevcairiel | you dont have any buffers for people going off the freeways usually? |
| 20:19.04 | TC-work | nope, ramps go directly to the freeway proper |
| 20:19.14 | Unkle | Cairenn: Try driving anywhere on Younge (not sure if I spelled it correctly) street in TO. - it's like LA rush hour 24/7. |
| 20:19.19 | Cairenn | The biggest difference is the fact that the 401 is pretty much the only east-west corridor through TO, whereas you guys have multiple highways |
| 20:19.24 | Arrowmaster | TC-work: we have those in ohio on multiple freeways |
| 20:19.26 | Cairenn | You did (spell it right) |
| 20:19.28 | nevcairiel | we usually have at least a few hundred meters of road so that some cars can go on there |
| 20:19.29 | Cairenn | And yes |
| 20:19.54 | Cairenn | There is a reason why I am in a near constant state of panic when I have to deal with TO |
| 20:19.59 | bleeter | I laugh when the locals here complain about 'rush hour'. It's more like 'rush 5 minutes'. |
| 20:20.08 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 20:20.19 | Cairenn | I'd rather drive through/around LA than TO |
| 20:20.51 | TC-work | The valley is the big one, since it only has one primary freeway feeding it. |
| 20:21.00 | Unkle | Houston has crappy traffic - but the freeway system is the better part - lots of wide roads, multiple routes, and a good feeder road system. |
| 20:21.09 | TC-work | And a ton of people commute because housing is cheap there. |
| 20:21.10 | bleeter | Cairenn: at a guess, at least the highway road signs around TO don't change languages. Like they do in Belgium. That's some crazy shit there. |
| 20:21.29 | Unkle | The problem is the city grows faster than the roads, and in Housotn, you pretty much have to drive everywhere. |
| 20:21.37 | Cairenn | Yeah, no, don't have that problem. 2 languages - english & french |
| 20:21.49 | Cairenn | and both are on all road signs |
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| 20:22.32 | bleeter | Cairenn: do towns have completely different names in enCA and frCA? Because that's what really threw me at 150kph |
| 20:22.43 | Cairenn | Some do, yes |
| 20:22.55 | Cairenn | Most notably in PQ |
| 20:23.01 | bleeter | "I thought I was heading to X wtf where's the off ramp fuck how do you say 'exit' in this language araraghagahgh" |
| 20:23.32 | bleeter | Cairenn: PQ? |
| 20:23.55 | bleeter | ah, provinces quebecoiseseses... |
| 20:23.59 | Cairenn | Province du Quebec |
| 20:24.01 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 20:24.23 | bleeter | "The abbreviation PQ was replaced by QC in 1992" oO |
| 20:24.26 | nevcairiel | my wikipedia claims its typically called QC now |
| 20:24.28 | nevcairiel | ^that |
| 20:24.29 | Cairenn | Yeah yeah |
| 20:24.47 | Lopeppeppy | Give the guy a loonie and he might shut up? :) |
| 20:24.57 | bleeter | I'm sure Cairenn isn't showing her age, just wants to be hip with those with major investments \o/ |
| 20:25.04 | Cairenn | lol |
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| 21:11.43 | Fisker | vhaarr |
| 21:11.46 | Fisker | runs |
| 21:18.29 | Maldivia | http://chrome.com/campaigns/rollit -- very cool :P |
| 21:22.07 | Fisker | HEY Maldivia |
| 21:22.54 | TC-work | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0615775373 |
| 21:23.46 | Fisker | no thanks TC-work |
| 21:29.06 | TC-work | Maldivia: that is nifty. Doesn't seem to want to work in linux though |
| 21:31.38 | Maldivia | TC-work: worked for me, although my phone doesn't react as precise as a wiimote :P |
| 21:31.56 | TC-work | Maldivia: Dunno, it would only load on my windows machine |
| 21:36.37 | Mr_Rabies | doesn't work with my iphone :< |
| 21:38.42 | Seerah | Cairenn: "What happens when a playful kitten meets a grumpy cat? This. Lots of this :-)" http://www.wimp.com/whatmoms/ |
| 21:39.14 | Cairenn | lol |
| 21:40.23 | Cairenn | and that other cat is going "wtf did I do?" |
| 21:41.05 | Seerah | :) |
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| 21:45.09 | Seerah | http://theoatmeal.com/comics/manbat |
| 21:45.53 | Cairenn | heh |
| 21:48.42 | Seerah | If you're in the mood and haven't seen this yet, go to Google's image search and search for "Atari Breakout" |
| 21:49.01 | Mr_Rabies | man-bat's already a character in batman :O |
| 21:49.25 | Mr_Rabies | http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111018214843/batman/images/b/b3/198461-142368-man-bat.jpg |
| 21:49.47 | Seerah | lalalala - if you don't want to laugh at the joke, then don't ruin the fun :) |
| 21:50.49 | bleeter | https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/87c150c8de7fa22d518ee77f9641edad/tumblr_mn97x6Px5W1ql2603o1_500.jpg |
| 21:52.10 | Mr_Rabies | i'm just sayin', he's not even obscure :( |
| 21:52.21 | Mr_Rabies | he's in the first episode of batman: animated series |
| 21:55.55 | Unkle | He's been around since at least the 70s. |
| 21:56.02 | Unkle | But the joke is still funny. |
| 21:56.28 | Seerah | especially when you notice the blurred out bits >< |
| 21:56.32 | Mr_Rabies | things get weird between batman and man-bat sometimes http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080327221053/batman/images/0/08/Onleatherwings.jpg |
| 21:57.09 | Mr_Rabies | not as weird as with catwoman, though: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2011/07/tyger09.jpg |
| 21:57.27 | Semlar | furries |
| 21:57.45 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.batmanytb.com/animated/tas/episodes/ep41/09[1].jpg |
| 21:57.46 | Mr_Rabies | just a bit |
| 21:58.00 | Semlar | is batman a furry |
| 21:58.03 | Mr_Rabies | that's one of the weirder episodes |
| 21:58.21 | Mr_Rabies | not as weird as the one where a farmer is genetically modifying animals into giant monsters |
| 21:58.50 | Mr_Rabies | and his daughter's so hopped up on the growth hormones that batgirl bounces off of her doing a mid-air kick |
| 22:02.38 | Mr_Rabies | man, the roxy rocket episode was amazing, though |
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| 22:04.52 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k58wihIiyR4 |
| 22:05.33 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:06.06 | Mr_Rabies | i'd say "i can't believe they got away with that," but they got away with so much more in batman: brave and the bold: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAFP0IoMfsA |
| 22:07.15 | Mr_Rabies | foxlit: Team Rocket has arrived in Azeroth? |
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| 22:10.11 | foxlit | Mr_Rabies: yep; though in 2010 |
| 22:17.38 | TC-work | See Shirik, Scrolls did it properly. |
| 22:18.28 | Shirik | LMFAO |
| 22:18.38 | Shirik | Ok we were talking about how awful my IT department is earlier today |
| 22:18.51 | Shirik | today they sent this email |
| 22:19.07 | Shirik | "What: Decryption of SSL Web Traffic(HTTPS) for regular inspection. " |
| 22:19.16 | Shirik | I would love to see how they do this |
| 22:19.36 | bleeter | MITM all SSL with a dodgy low grade cert |
| 22:19.47 | bleeter | s/SSL/HTTPS/ |
| 22:20.08 | bleeter | then install dodgy root on all desktops in SOE |
| 22:20.20 | Shirik | yeah, I'm not letting them touch my root certs |
| 22:20.36 | TC-work | Can't you have hardware intercept that at the border? |
| 22:21.24 | bleeter | TC-work: is hard. easier with an SOE to just fsck with people's systems. People check to see the 'lock' icon on HTTPS, they very rarely actually look at the cert |
| 22:22.14 | Shirik | "For best results you will need to use Microsoft Internet Explorer." |
| 22:22.18 | TC-work | bleeter: Why hard? With NAT doesn't the gateway become the endpoint so it can extract the info and pass a copy on? |
| 22:22.21 | Shirik | IE addin they install? |
| 22:22.47 | Shirik | nono |
| 22:22.53 | Shirik | gateway is at the MAC level only |
| 22:23.01 | Shirik | SSL is way up in the application layer |
| 22:23.04 | bleeter | TC-work: it's still encrypted |
| 22:23.17 | TC-work | Shirik: I'm talking about specific hardware |
| 22:23.27 | Shirik | the encryption is done by the browser and the remote server |
| 22:23.33 | Shirik | there's no hardware passing along unencrypted data |
| 22:23.41 | TC-work | well your system does... |
| 22:24.20 | Shirik | ? |
| 22:24.27 | bleeter | Shirik: 'for best results of giving your employer all your credit card details, use IE' |
| 22:24.46 | bleeter | Shirik: can you say... 'popcorn'? |
| 22:25.05 | Shirik | yes |
| 22:25.26 | bleeter | the funny thing is, it's probably part of some crazy arse 'cybersecurity' shit where they wanna track down leaks |
| 22:26.24 | bleeter | would be better to just detect/drop all encrypted traffic |
| 22:26.53 | Shirik | can't really do that given the amount of encrypted stuff we do on a daily basis |
| 22:27.18 | bleeter | you're right |
| 22:27.23 | bleeter | your IT dept are nuts |
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| 22:28.12 | Shirik | in their defense, UAV technology is one of the top targets of espionage right now |
| 22:28.19 | Shirik | that being said, I still don't think they have a clue |
| 22:28.25 | bleeter | oh I don't doubt |
| 22:29.01 | bleeter | but it's sort of like letting a mass murderer out of jail on home release and telling the commmunity 'it's all safe because we put one of them ankle things on them' |
| 22:30.19 | bleeter | or more like saving a person with a heart condition by removing their brain |
| 22:34.33 | bleeter | Shirik: though after a bit more thought, maybe they're seeing far more HTTPS traffic than what they actually reasonably expect, thus it could make some sort of sense in a 'easiest way to stop that' kinda way |
| 22:34.54 | Shirik | I'm honestly expecting them to do something stupid like try to install an IE plugin |
| 22:35.03 | Shirik | and then get frustrated when they realize half the engineering crew doesn't use IE |
| 22:35.09 | Shirik | and then they ban all other browsers |
| 22:35.10 | Shirik | and then I quit |
| 22:35.31 | Shirik | that being said they can't really effectively ban all other browsers given that I have administrative rights |
| 22:35.33 | bleeter | but this would sorta mean they're aware there's some sorta polymorphic botnet crap on their network they can't clean |
| 22:36.09 | bleeter | or they've run out of $$ to buy all the 0days out there |
| 22:38.15 | bleeter | 'coz that shit has got seriously expensive in the past year |
| 22:46.27 | bleeter | ahahahaha https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=832834 |
| 22:47.05 | bleeter | Shirik: on a slightly related note, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=832834 |
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| 23:11.43 | TC-work | http://baconsalt.3dcartstores.com/baconlube-tm-sizzling-six-pack_p_139.html Not OK. |
| 23:12.30 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/28/chinese-hackers-post-designs-breached-compromised/2364969/ |
| 23:13.39 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: i think its safe to assume whatever you worked on today, the chinese already know |
| 23:13.48 | Shirik | then they know NOTHING |
| 23:13.53 | Shirik | becuase I was trapped in meetings all day |
| 23:13.58 | TC-work | doing nothing |
| 23:15.01 | kd3 | uh-huh |
| 23:17.04 | bleeter | I expect a bit more US revelations about hacks and cracks this week, 'coz ABC Australia did a 40 minute piece a few days ago about how our stuff got seriously hosed, including designer/supplier of comms kit to .mil and our equiv of GCHQ/NSA |
| 23:17.25 | bleeter | and we don't have mandatory disclosure laws on breaches |
| 23:17.39 | bleeter | ie, some US journos are gunna go nutso |
| 23:18.04 | Gnarfoz | [00:19:01] <Shirik> "What: Decryption of SSL Web Traffic(HTTPS) for regular inspection. " <Shirik> I would love to see how they do this <-- the way everyone who thinks they need to do this does it? don't allow outbound access except through a proxy they control and MITM the SSL there. for convenience, install the proxy's signing cert on all clients they control, everyone else can suck it, and either doesn't have internet access, clicks thro |
| 23:18.10 | Gnarfoz | ugh the trust warnings each time or gives in at some point and installs the cert? |
| 23:18.40 | bleeter | Gnarfoz: as discussed, install the root cert via mandatory plugin or SOE |
| 23:18.51 | TC-work | bleeter: mandatory things such as that can be bypassed with 'National Security.' |
| 23:18.54 | Gnarfoz | what's a SOE |
| 23:19.02 | bleeter | Standard Operating Environment |
| 23:19.08 | Gnarfoz | ah |
| 23:19.11 | bleeter | ie, the 'desktop' that IT rolls out to all employees |
| 23:19.40 | Gnarfoz | I would've said group policy, but that needlessly implies Microsoft |
| 23:19.58 | bleeter | TC-work: becomes a bit trickier when multinationals are involved and geopolitics etc. |
| 23:21.34 | TC-work | bleeter: Agreed, but the US still has enough oomph for the time being to lean on other countries. Really all depends on what information was acquired. |
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| 23:22.45 | bleeter | TC-work: I'm yet to be convinced the US could lean on France or Germany that much now. These days, NATO is a waste of space. |
| 23:23.05 | bleeter | (as an eg) |
| 23:23.13 | TC-work | bleeter: Hardly though NATO, I'm fairly sure the US considers it a joke. |
| 23:24.51 | TC-work | bleeter: I think Germany would be willing to play ball, I doubt France would however. |
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