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| 00:18.11 | Stanzilla | the weirdo chart |
| 00:18.55 | bleeter | Stanzilla: officially, it's called "The Fisker Chart" |
| 00:19.05 | Stanzilla | oh ok |
| 00:19.05 | bleeter | TC-work: ^^ |
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| 00:35.14 | TC-work | A Fisker chart of spiciness? |
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| 00:56.48 | Stanzilla | TC-work: yeah so you can go full retard |
| 01:07.18 | Arrowmaster | http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2013/05/15/swearing-study.html |
| 01:07.24 | Arrowmaster | i dont think ive ever been so proud |
| 01:08.25 | Arrowmaster | oh waite this was determined through calls to businesses, maybe i shouldnt be so proud |
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| 01:11.32 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn: http://i.imgur.com/iKKQeaB.gif |
| 01:11.46 | Cairenn | awww |
| 01:11.47 | Cairenn | cute! |
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| 01:24.06 | Arrowmaster | whoa https://play.google.com/books/uploads |
| 01:34.18 | pompy | it requires you to login to see that page :grin: lol |
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| 01:38.11 | Sintacks | since when does reporting someone for language clear all of their text from chat ... |
| 01:40.10 | Arrowmaster | hasnt it done that since they added the spam filter |
| 01:40.35 | Sintacks | i don't think so |
| 01:40.51 | Sintacks | do you have to reload or relog to see their shit again ... |
| 01:59.09 | Dagmar | Not sure. They go into the ignore list by default so probably that won't work. |
| 02:25.27 | TC-work | Anyone know a good way to handle applications in cent5 not freeing cache as they should? |
| 02:25.41 | TC-work | ideally something that does not have to be done manually |
| 02:29.02 | bleeter | TC-work: cron up "sync; echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches" |
| 02:29.45 | bleeter | in fact, random google search says so as well http://www.hosting.com/support/linux/clear-memory-cache-on-linux-server |
| 02:29.50 | TC-work | yea, I found that as well, but I'm not sure what it is going to do to someone with nearly 20GB of ram in cache |
| 02:30.07 | TC-work | that and /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches: File exists. |
| 02:30.20 | bleeter | it's gunna make them damn well wait, and hopefully teach them to not be a jerk with caching |
| 02:30.33 | TC-work | oh, had to sudo it |
| 02:30.44 | TC-work | it's not them, its Maya |
| 02:30.51 | bleeter | yeah a normal user can't fsck with memory caches =) |
| 02:31.25 | bleeter | you may wanna put a bit of sleep in the sync first, or sync only certain devices, etc. |
| 02:32.00 | bleeter | not 100% convinced the sync is always necessary myself |
| 02:32.11 | TC-work | well it's hitting swap |
| 02:32.20 | TC-work | total used free shared buffers cached |
| 02:32.20 | TC-work | Mem: 23968 23878 90 0 7 17012 |
| 02:32.20 | TC-work | -/+ buffers/cache: 6858 17110 |
| 02:32.20 | TC-work | Swap: 4000 231 3768 |
| 02:32.31 | pompy | pastebin mister! ;) |
| 02:32.32 | pompy | jk |
| 02:32.34 | TC-work | oh, sync |
| 02:32.41 | TC-work | it's less then 5 lines! |
| 02:33.17 | Arrowmaster | your swap is almost completely used? thats bad |
| 02:33.45 | TC-work | huh? no, it's 231/4000 used |
| 02:34.03 | Arrowmaster | oh im just reading it all wrong |
| 02:34.05 | TC-work | still should not be hitting swap since there is only ~6GB of ram in use |
| 02:34.13 | TC-work | ~7* |
| 02:34.23 | bleeter | yar I'd be dropping the caches fairly regularly, ride free on a loop and just see how it goes |
| 02:34.39 | Arrowmaster | ive seen swap start to be used once the cache uses all the ram but once the ram usage drops the swap is still in use |
| 02:34.52 | bleeter | there will be no 'easy' fix just something you'll need to tune a bit over time so the user doesn't lose too much control but the system can still drop |
| 02:34.57 | Arrowmaster | it just kinda slowly adds up of unused stuff |
| 02:35.11 | TC-work | Right, we know that swap doesn't really clean up, which is fine. I just want cache to free up |
| 02:35.46 | Arrowmaster | it frees up when something else needs to use that memory, not when its not needed anymore |
| 02:36.06 | TC-work | but it's not doing that or it would never hit swap |
| 02:36.07 | Arrowmaster | its completely different than windows memory management |
| 02:36.25 | bleeter | if you wanna go full throttle, tie the drop_caches in with free checks and rrd plot that crap =) |
| 02:36.39 | bleeter | er |
| 02:36.44 | bleeter | collectd... etc. |
| 02:36.49 | Arrowmaster | yeah what im saying is that it seems kinda normal to fill the cache then use a little bit of swap, but its not actively swaping so its not a big deal |
| 02:37.28 | bleeter | I'd imagine Maya is pretty shitty wrt memory foo |
| 02:37.29 | TC-work | but it does, now he is at 291 swap |
| 02:37.39 | TC-work | used |
| 02:37.56 | Arrowmaster | mine tends to use 800 swap |
| 02:39.21 | bleeter | also, you may wanna give the user a bit more swap. seems a little low for the Mem total |
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| 02:47.41 | TC-work | We don't want them to use swap though |
| 02:47.47 | TC-work | 24GB should be enough |
| 02:59.30 | pompy | http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2011/07/20/abu-dhabi-oil-sheikh-writes-his-name-in-the-sand-two-miles-wide/ old but yeah. |
| 02:59.31 | bleeter | key word there being 'should' |
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| 07:25.23 | bluspacecow | Cairenn: http://i.imgur.com/2eZffRz.gif |
| 07:26.15 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 07:26.50 | bluspacecow | kitteh was NOT PREPARED for lizards |
| 07:27.25 | Cairenn | nope |
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| 07:56.05 | Mr_Rabies | lizard is just like |
| 07:56.20 | Mr_Rabies | "doopity doopity doo, lizardin' around" "WHOA WHAT'S YOUR DEAL, MAN" |
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| 08:30.35 | karl_w_w | pompy: /ignore |
| 08:31.15 | karl_w_w | generally and certainly in my area the bigs ones like that are harmless |
| 08:32.00 | karl_w_w | it's the redbacks you have to watch out for |
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| 09:47.17 | karl_w_w | why would you just check if u flop a pair of kings |
| 09:47.28 | karl_w_w | i dont understand these people |
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| 10:01.10 | Xuerian | It's not so funny when you realize the kitten has major physical defects affecting motor control and balance. I wouldn't be surprised if it has seizures on a semi-regular basis. |
| 10:01.47 | Xuerian | Well. It is funny, but with a healthy helping of sads. |
| 10:04.12 | karl_w_w | them feels |
| 10:04.24 | Xuerian | Not to mention the repeated impacts right there in the gif are certainly not healthy |
| 10:05.04 | Xuerian | shrugs. |
| 10:05.26 | Xuerian | I've been wrong plenty though, could just be a cute kitten. Perhaps best to just go with that assumption =) |
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| 10:26.54 | Arrowmaster | ah fuck why did i not check my schedule lastnight |
| 10:27.12 | Arrowmaster | i dont have to be at work until this afternoon but i still got up at 5:30am |
| 10:38.09 | karl_w_w | flop 2 pair and lose at the river, why you hate me for? |
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| 11:09.13 | Arrowmaster | fuck i do have a morning appointment it just wasnt on my schedule |
| 11:11.42 | karl_w_w | fire your secretary |
| 11:13.25 | Arrowmaster | cant, the person that updates my schedule is capable of firing me |
| 11:13.33 | Arrowmaster | gota run now |
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| 12:57.37 | VIad | the game doesn't do a cleanup of what quests you are flagged as "completed" when you are offline, when you login it then cleans up, but usually too late after loading, so your addons (when they load), if you use IsQuestCompleted API you get the outdated results :( |
| 13:02.24 | zenzio | how late is "late"? I guess after all the "lulz we're done loading" events? |
| 13:09.43 | VIad | I do it at player_login |
| 13:09.50 | VIad | and still the api returns old results |
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| 13:39.06 | zenzio | "One of the things that was discovered early on was that the sun was not a sun-like star." |
| 13:39.12 | zenzio | I love science |
| 13:43.12 | Torhal | o.O |
| 13:43.17 | Torhal | How does that even make sense? |
| 13:43.27 | Torhal | pokes zenzio. |
| 13:44.26 | VIad | brought by the same people that said that our sun isn't a star? |
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| 14:21.41 | Parnic | hey fisker where do i get portal 2 cards? |
| 14:24.26 | karl_w_w | you have to solve the puzzle to reach them |
| 14:24.38 | Parnic | so they're visible in the world or something? |
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| 14:44.57 | pompy | Parnic: "Do I get Trading Cards for completing achievements in game? Trading Card drops are currently just tied to playtime within a game, independent of which achievements you are getting." |
| 14:45.13 | Parnic | hmm ok |
| 14:45.20 | Parnic | explains why fisker was afk'ing with tf2 running |
| 14:45.28 | pompy | lol of course |
| 14:45.39 | Fisker | wrong Parnic |
| 14:45.53 | pompy | they mention it not being achievement related bc of the achievement unlockers |
| 14:46.02 | Fisker | explains why Fisker was afk'ing with tf2, borderlands2, don't starve, portal 2, half-life 2 and cs:go running |
| 14:46.11 | pompy | so bad |
| 14:46.33 | Parnic | bl2 doesn't give cards |
| 14:46.44 | Fisker | the achievement unlockers can be disabled |
| 14:46.54 | Fisker | but i ran it anyway Parnic |
| 14:47.03 | pompy | u mean dota 2 Fisker |
| 14:47.05 | Fisker | also dota 2 |
| 14:47.08 | Fisker | no pompy |
| 14:47.10 | pompy | lol |
| 14:47.21 | Fisker | i ran the list above + dota 2 |
| 14:47.25 | Fisker | dunno why i ran borderlands 2 |
| 14:47.26 | Fisker | but i did |
| 14:47.39 | Parnic | and it gave you cards for having them all going at the same time? |
| 14:47.48 | Fisker | yes |
| 14:47.55 | Parnic | brb, running a bunch of games |
| 14:47.58 | pompy | lol |
| 14:48.01 | pompy | "We also don't want to push users to cheat or use achievement-unlockers in games in order to get cards, since that devalues achievements and isn't that fun either" |
| 14:51.21 | Fisker | tsk pompy |
| 14:51.27 | Fisker | they added secure achievements a while ago |
| 14:51.36 | Fisker | though i guess that still doesn't prevent cheating |
| 14:52.11 | pompy | well http://theslanted.com/2013/05/5106/ea-cancels-online-pass-for-games-turns-out-it-wasnt-liked/ |
| 14:52.28 | Fisker | i don't see the issue with the online pass |
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| 15:01.52 | pompy | could only imagine all the ppl running all the supported games at the same time for the trading cards |
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| 15:11.26 | Unkle | Good morning, IRC! |
| 15:14.37 | Lopeppeppy | Oof. Yeah. |
| 15:17.22 | |Jelly|_ | Oh, it's that guy. |
| 15:17.58 | Unkle | Where? /that/ guy is an asshole. |
| 15:19.10 | |Jelly| | Yeah he is |
| 15:19.34 | |Jelly| | So you'll be apathetic to know that I got my Orbweaver Stealth in. Browns on a gamepad. Mmmmmm |
| 15:20.07 | Unkle | I have no idea what you jut said, so I'll just smile and nod. |
| 15:20.09 | VIad | anyone want dota 2 invite? |
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| 15:20.29 | Lopeppeppy | Orbweaver is a spider. |
| 15:20.48 | VIad | timelapse hero? |
| 15:21.04 | VIad | he is awesome, good ranged attacks, good escapes and stealth, and goes back in time :D |
| 15:21.12 | VIad | awesome scouting ability too |
| 15:21.16 | |Jelly| | So I had the Nostromo, right? While it was nice the d-pad left something to be desired, namely it wouldn't allow me to press "w" and "a" at the same time in order to run diagonally. |
| 15:21.39 | |Jelly| | This led me to getting the G13, which I like but the joystick is a bit stiff [to press, as it's a button] and well, it's huge. |
| 15:22.09 | VIad | ugh |
| 15:22.12 | VIad | lefty mouse |
| 15:22.17 | |Jelly| | So when Razer released the Orbweaver, which is essentially a 20-button Nostromo with mechanical switches, I was super excite. That is, until I found that those switches were blues. Nothx. |
| 15:22.29 | VIad | lol tought you talked about dota :p |
| 15:22.41 | VIad | http://www.dota2wiki.com/wiki/Weaver |
| 15:22.52 | |Jelly| | They then released the "Stealth" edition which has Cherry MX Browns [which is the same switch as my keyboard] in it. And it's tasty. |
| 15:23.08 | VIad | if you aren't talking to me Jelly, who are you talking to? :P |
| 15:23.25 | |Jelly| | <Unkle> I have no idea what you jut said, so I'll just smile and nod. |
| 15:23.36 | Unkle | Ah, that makes a lot more sense. |
| 15:24.16 | |Jelly| | of course, I haven't tested it in game to see if the d-pad functionality was fixed. If it wasn't, I'm going to be a super sad panda. |
| 15:25.18 | |Jelly| | .. and it was :) |
| 15:26.35 | karl_w_w | |Jelly|: to me Razer putting blue switches in a gaming keyboard is basically the epitome of why not to buy a keyboard from them |
| 15:27.13 | Unkle | You know, you could have just linked http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-keyboards-keypads/razer-orbweaver |
| 15:27.47 | |Jelly| | The only things I've bought from them are the Nostromo, Naga and the Orbweaver. I'd likely never buy one of their keyboards for that very reason. I also don't like blacks which is what they sometimes use in lieu of blues. Browns or Reds in my opinion |
| 15:28.08 | |Jelly| | I'll remember that comment next time I ask you a question and you give me an essay answer, Unkle. :P |
| 15:28.10 | karl_w_w | I have browns |
| 15:28.32 | |Jelly| | Same. Although I would have preferred reds for my gamepad. |
| 15:28.41 | |Jelly| | BUT, I do love the browns so I'm happy overall. |
| 15:31.44 | karl_w_w | I can't imagine going with any other cherry switch |
| 15:32.08 | karl_w_w | the bump is so useful |
| 15:32.36 | Unkle | I want one of those - for the other hand. to REPLACE a mouse, not go with it. |
| 15:32.38 | karl_w_w | I'd probably use clears if I typed a lot |
| 15:33.20 | |Jelly| | clears are stiffer browns, correct? |
| 15:33.33 | karl_w_w | yeah |
| 15:34.41 | |Jelly| | Yeah, I could see that. |
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| 15:36.40 | karl_w_w | although now I'm used to these it'd probably be a bad idea |
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| 16:43.05 | sylvanaar | wow Google's new Android dev tool is based on the IntelliJ platform, and it is already merged into IDEA 13 |
| 16:43.51 | sylvanaar | needs to update his plugin for yet another major version |
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| 18:44.42 | MysticalOS | of course stan. it's release version |
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| 18:47.52 | Unkle | http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/05/using-science-to-reform-toxic-player-behavior-in-league-of-legends/ - interesting read. |
| 18:49.47 | TC-work | Yea, the problem is that the company policies and the user base don't jive properly imo. |
| 18:51.43 | Fisker | so haste jelly? |
| 18:52.03 | haste | Fisker: over your surface pro? |
| 18:52.07 | Fisker | yep |
| 18:52.10 | haste | nope |
| 18:52.14 | Dagmar | s/science/fire/; |
| 18:52.25 | Fisker | you seem kinda upset haste |
| 18:53.58 | Dagmar | What they're doing is going to make players _just_ civil enough to avoid a ban most of the time |
| 18:54.16 | Dagmar | ...and they're going to fine-tune for maximum offensiveness under that line. |
| 18:54.24 | Elkano | fisker, who did you bribe for all those cards? ;) |
| 18:54.25 | Dagmar | Set. Them. On. Fire. |
| 18:54.27 | Unkle | Well, civility is the oil in the gears of human machinery. |
| 18:54.44 | Fisker | noone Elkano |
| 18:54.45 | Unkle | And like other oils, it's flammable. |
| 18:56.29 | Lopeppeppy | Burn baby, burn them all. |
| 18:56.57 | Lopeppeppy | Is that uncivil? |
| 18:59.03 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:38.28 | alestane | You know, I do see one use for automatied chat screening. |
| 19:39.54 | alestane | Use it to show players their own metric: "If someone were to report you, you would have roughly a XX% chance of suffering a ban." Don't publicize this number, just let players see it on their own profile, and flash them a warning if it slips above a certain level. |
| 19:40.42 | Unkle | Show them a color coded bar. |
| 19:40.51 | Unkle | No numbers on it. |
| 19:41.12 | Unkle | Then watch them game the bar. :) |
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| 19:51.36 | karl_w_w | alestane if that could be calculated by a computer there would be no need for any reporting or humans answering reports |
| 19:52.47 | alestane | The article mentions that they don't want punishments being auto-applied by a computer. But I'm guessing heuristics can ball-park the possibility; or at least yield a "cool…warm…hot…flaming" estimate. |
| 19:54.39 | karl_w_w | if that was the case i would just push it up deliberately because I'm highly amused by the idea of stereotypical camp guy saying "flaming" |
| 19:56.24 | karl_w_w | unrelated news: curse websites now have the largest footers I have ever seen, especially mmo-c |
| 19:56.50 | karl_w_w | "Handcrafted in San Francisco & Huntsville" |
| 19:57.10 | karl_w_w | I guess it was hewn from wood and the footer is all the shavings |
| 19:57.42 | Adys | how do you put down a world mark in a macro? |
| 19:57.48 | Adys | like, get the cursor |
| 19:58.31 | Unkle | I thint there's a slash command for them ... /wm or somthing |
| 19:58.53 | Semlar | what does PlaceRaidMarker take |
| 20:00.03 | Unkle | Adys: http://www.wowpedia.org/World_markers |
| 20:00.41 | Semlar | looks like it just takes an index but i have no idea if you can call it directly because you can't use it outside of a raid |
| 20:00.52 | karl_w_w | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.08 | Semlar | if all it does is give you the targeting circle, i doubt there's a way to place it directly through a macro because i know the cursor interaction function is protected |
| 20:03.20 | karl_w_w | lol the image and caption on that wowpedia page |
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| 20:04.24 | Adys | i dont understand "/worldmarker marker" |
| 20:04.31 | Adys | how do i get the square specifically? |
| 20:05.21 | Unkle | maker name. should be square |
| 20:05.32 | Unkle | "square" specifcally |
| 20:05.37 | Semlar | really? it should be the square index |
| 20:05.41 | Semlar | which is probably 3 or something |
| 20:05.48 | Adys | ah its an id |
| 20:05.56 | Adys | Unkle: yeah i tried, its an id |
| 20:06.01 | Adys | for square its /wm 1 |
| 20:06.21 | Semlar | oh, right there are fewer of those than the raid markers |
| 20:06.32 | Semlar | i guess the indexes wouldn't be the same |
| 20:07.54 | Semlar | looks like it's 1 - blue, 2 - green, 3 - purple, 4 - red, 5 - yellow |
| 20:09.08 | Unkle | someone should add those to the wiki |
| 20:09.16 | karl_w_w | you have to wonder what circle did wrong to get shunned |
| 20:09.20 | Semlar | this addon calls /clearworldmarker 1 before /worldmarker 1 so you might have to clear it before you can set it |
| 20:09.49 | Semlar | no skull flare either |
| 20:10.02 | Semlar | i wonder why they didn't just make one for all of the icons |
| 20:10.13 | karl_w_w | yeah there's no skull or moon but then what colour would they be? |
| 20:10.22 | Semlar | white |
| 20:10.31 | Semlar | and i guess also blue |
| 20:10.36 | Mr_Rabies | arrrrgh |
| 20:10.42 | Mr_Rabies | my kingdom for 8 more lesser charms |
| 20:10.42 | Semlar | that wouldn't be confusing |
| 20:10.42 | karl_w_w | we already have white :P |
| 20:10.47 | Semlar | what's white |
| 20:10.56 | Semlar | there's a yellow flare |
| 20:11.28 | Semlar | which i guess is for the star |
| 20:11.30 | karl_w_w | http://www.wowhead.com/item=21536 |
| 20:11.38 | Unkle | And there are still smoke flares. |
| 20:11.56 | Semlar | yeah but they don't have bouncy icons in them |
| 20:12.27 | Mr_Rabies | i really can't wait for 5.3 |
| 20:12.39 | Unkle | bouncy bouncy fun fun fun fun! |
| 20:12.39 | Mr_Rabies | i'm done with dailies and getting tired of pet battles but i think hunting rares will always be fun |
| 20:19.06 | Semlar | does leveling a pet to 25 before you sell it add value |
| 20:19.31 | Mr_Rabies | i'm sure it does, depending on if the pet's worth using in a pet battle |
| 20:20.03 | Mr_Rabies | like terrible turnip is really good for pet collectors since it has an attack that won't kill its target no matter what |
| 20:20.56 | Semlar | i have a living sandling and the price is all over the place |
| 20:21.39 | Semlar | i'm probably going to hold onto it until it goes back up because i figure it's pretty much unfarmable |
| 20:21.46 | Mr_Rabies | though leveling to 25 is pretty damned easy nowadays |
| 20:21.56 | Mr_Rabies | especially if the pet's strong enough to be useful in pvp |
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| 21:34.50 | Adys | You're in. Get ready to try the new Google Maps. |
| 21:34.52 | Adys | Fisker: ^ |
| 21:35.10 | TC-work | Same here. |
| 21:35.21 | Adys | its really neat |
| 21:36.15 | Stanzilla | same here |
| 21:36.39 | TC-work | Well it would be if I could actually start using it. |
| 21:37.16 | TC-work | oh, nvm |
| 21:37.38 | Fisker | yes Adys |
| 21:44.53 | TC-work | Well, it can't seem to do directions worth a damn |
| 21:49.51 | foxlit | Is The Long Earth worth reading? |
| 21:50.33 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:09.10 | karl_w_w | lol foxlit |
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| 22:29.43 | bleeter | ahaha https://twitter.com/soffes/status/335092952156233728 |
| 22:41.44 | Mr_Rabies | welp |
| 22:41.45 | Mr_Rabies | wiped on galleon twice |
| 22:41.57 | Mr_Rabies | with a 35 person raid |
| 22:41.59 | Mr_Rabies | :| |
| 22:42.18 | zenzelezz | sounds like a gallon of fun |
| 23:03.08 | Arrowmaster | left for work at 7am, just got home at 7pm..... |
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| 23:50.53 | TC-work | Arrowmaster: that's my day normally |
| 23:53.50 | Arrowmaster | TC-work: you get net access at work though |
| 23:54.11 | Arrowmaster | i just sat around reading manga on my nexus7 in my spare time |
| 23:54.31 | TC-work | If I had spare time I would bring a laptop and games. |
| 23:54.41 | TC-work | Don't need net access for that |
| 23:56.06 | Ackis | anyone here write auto hot key scripts? |
