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| 01:32.15 | Dagmar | Wait... let me guess. It's in that cave. |
| 01:33.24 | Thunder_Child | Fuck you weekend, stop being so hot. |
| 01:36.00 | kd3 | yes |
| 01:36.54 | Dagmar | Heh. I'm not saying Blizz's jokes are predictable but I heard about a "raid bunny" and figured it had to be a vorpal rabbit |
| 01:40.10 | kd3 | http://www.wowpedia.org/Darkmoon_Rabbit |
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| 01:53.28 | Neffi | I know some of you do web development. Can anyone recommend any particularly good online courses/sites for learning front-end and back-end development? |
| 01:54.04 | Neffi | Something up to date on standards, teaches good behavior for cross-browser conformance, and I'm thinking PHP+SQL for backend work |
| 01:54.44 | Neffi | I've been scripting for ~6 years, and I know the basics of HTML/CSS, but never gotten into web development. |
| 01:54.52 | Thunder_Child | Not many people around here seem to like PHP |
| 01:55.13 | Neffi | I'm mostly looking into PHP because it seems pretty marketable |
| 01:55.37 | Semlar_ | http://www.w3schools.com/ |
| 01:55.39 | Thunder_Child | That it is. Just note you may hate yourself. |
| 01:55.41 | Neffi | But I'm looking to expand past that too. |
| 01:56.07 | Neffi | I've come across a lot of material on the complaints and horrors of PHP. I'll deal with it for now. |
| 01:56.10 | Thunder_Child | Neffi: so like http://www.codecademy.com/tracks/php ? |
| 01:56.37 | Thunder_Child | they don't have backend stuff though |
| 01:56.50 | Neffi | Semlar_: I've heard complaints (I think it was A List Apart) that w3schools tends to present bad design. That's why I was asking in the first place, perhaps there's a better resource. |
| 01:57.16 | Thunder_Child | Although SQL is easy if you want basiscs. |
| 01:57.30 | Semlar_ | w3schools is fine |
| 01:57.36 | Neffi | Thunder_Child: I've bookmarked CodeAcademy already. Ideally I'd like a resource that assumes you have some programming experience. |
| 01:58.15 | Neffi | I probably need to refresh on basics, but I'm looking for more of a resource that'll provide good material all the way to mastering web development. |
| 01:58.55 | Neffi | A few months down the line, I'd like to be confident that I can take on complex development and produce good, correct design |
| 01:59.13 | Thunder_Child | So you want something to teach you a language that you don't know, but expect it to assume you know some of it? |
| 01:59.30 | Thunder_Child | Note that most courses come at teaching with only theirs in mind |
| 02:00.04 | Neffi | No, I'd like complementary resources that teach some of the nuances of cross-browser conformance, and more advanced topics |
| 02:00.28 | Neffi | Just learning the languages isn't that hard. There are tons of resources out there. |
| 02:00.42 | Thunder_Child | Sound like what you want is a class. |
| 02:00.46 | Thunder_Child | at a school |
| 02:01.01 | Thunder_Child | sounds* |
| 02:01.40 | Neffi | I'm in college for programming. Specialty courses like web development are still a little bit off. I'm still in the prerequisite courses. |
| 02:02.06 | Neffi | I'm looking for material for self learning. |
| 02:02.26 | Thunder_Child | Other than finding a book, I'm not sure what's left. |
| 02:03.45 | Neffi | I'll start off with the material I've got. I'm thinking something in line with the quality of A List Apart, but something that presents concise tutorials for moderate-to-advanced material, instead of their one-off articles. |
| 02:05.56 | Neffi | Oh,-- What would you recommend I look into for server-side stuff besides PHP? |
| 02:08.25 | Dagmar | How to quickly restore your server from backup. |
| 02:09.03 | Xuerian | PHP catches a lot of hate, but it gets work done. the 5.3+ versions are actually working on a decent language. But Python is another choice, so is Ruby (Much slower, but with a friendly community and Rails), and then esoteric options like nginx+lua or native web applications. |
| 02:17.30 | Neffi | Hadn't considered Lua. |
| 02:17.51 | Neffi | I love Lua enough. I'll look into Python too. Thanks. |
| 02:19.00 | Xuerian | Python is actually pretty nice, it's great if you don't need true multithreading or extremely high performance. The syntax rules are a bit to get used to, but I found them pleasant on my second approach. |
| 02:20.07 | Neffi | I'm somewhat familiar with Python. Never considered it for web development. |
| 02:20.20 | Thunder_Child | That's not back end though |
| 02:20.22 | Neffi | It seems like things like PHP and ASP.net are de facto for server-side web. |
| 02:20.41 | Xuerian | Along with java, they are. |
| 02:20.43 | Thunder_Child | SQL works but it's not the best |
| 02:20.59 | Neffi | SQL for "back-end"? |
| 02:21.13 | Thunder_Child | It has no other end. |
| 02:21.25 | Xuerian | SQL is just the RDBMS, it isn't specific to "backend". It's not even a specific RDBMS engine, are you referring to mysql, postgresql, or something else? |
| 02:21.26 | Neffi | I dont know SQL, but can it even be effectively used except for in conjunction with another language to handle the logic? |
| 02:21.58 | Thunder_Child | Xuerian: Yea, I was not being clear. |
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| 02:34.53 | Xuerian | Anyway, Neffi, varieties of sql are relational databases, which let you query a/many tables of data with syntax like "SELECT age FROM contacts WHERE sex = 'male'" |
| 02:40.22 | A-KO | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKAl8TqCEAEbXs-.jpg:large < cat |
| 02:40.24 | A-KO | :P |
| 02:40.26 | A-KO | and my ugly mug |
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| 03:30.43 | Whyzerman | Neffi, dont worry about front end - that part is the easiest part. If you truely want to get serious about web development, look into the C languages. Learn C and you pretty much know the basics, the rest is just semantics |
| 03:31.39 | Xuerian | C and one of Haskell, Lisp, ML, or Erlang. |
| 03:33.59 | Whyzerman | You also might want to look into taking a networking course and learning unix as well. Most web servers run on some form of unix, so you will be working with it daily through ssh or ftp - and you need to know how to interact with unix |
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| 03:45.36 | Neffi | Whyzerman: I'm familiar with Linux and FreeBSD, and somewhat familiar with C -- proficient enough that given a couple weeks I'll be confident enough to develop full time. But why would you recommend C for web dev? |
| 03:46.12 | Neffi | C doesn't seem at all like the language I would employ for web logic |
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| 03:58.11 | Whyzerman | Well 2 reasons Neffi - most languages you will work with (actually I fell safe in saying all languages you will work with) for web development are based on C. Why learn something twice? 2nd reason is just because its web based doesnt mean there isnt a need for a C program to be running on the server to pass information to the web script (that issue came up quite a bit when I was working web |
| 03:58.11 | Whyzerman | development). If you already know how to build the program in C, it saves you time. |
| 03:58.19 | Whyzerman | feel* |
| 03:58.42 | Neffi | That doesn't seem wise |
| 03:59.02 | Neffi | Are you implying I should be developing a ground-up web app instead of using something like Nginx? |
| 03:59.15 | Neffi | I think that's just asking for security issues |
| 03:59.34 | Whyzerman | if you are trying to learn? yes - the best way to learn is to build from the ground up |
| 04:00.00 | Neffi | I'd rather have a tried-and-true system in place, which is developed on a constant basis FOR web, by developers who can focus on security |
| 04:00.32 | Neffi | The logic behind my web app has little to do with the routing/serving side of things. |
| 04:00.57 | Whyzerman | Im not saying build a web server like apache, I am saying its smarter to learn the base language (C) instead of one of its distant cousins (php) |
| 04:01.34 | Neffi | I mean, it makes sense to recommend I do what I can to learn more, but I'm not a new programmer. I've been working with Lua for 6+ years, and I'm proficient in C and C++. I'm not really at the stage that I need to learn how to engineer things. |
| 04:01.52 | Whyzerman | and the logic behind your web app has everything to do with the routing/serving side of things. If you build your web app in PHP, but the customer doesnt have PHP installed on their server, how are you going to install it if you dont know how? |
| 04:02.10 | Neffi | I'm really just looking to learn the nuances of a new infrastructure, not programming/SW engineering itself |
| 04:02.13 | Semlar | php is super easy to install |
| 04:06.27 | Whyzerman | Well Neffi - let me put it this way, I started developing in PHP with 0 prior knowledge of C or C++, with no knowledge of how apache/windows servers worked, and no idea how to work with mysql/postgresql. I am just saying knowing that ahead of time would have saved me hours of work. |
| 04:06.57 | Whyzerman | unbilled hours of work* |
| 04:07.53 | Semlar | i've done a decent amount of work with php, apache and mysql and don't know how knowing C would benefit me |
| 04:08.31 | Neffi | It's all moot if I already know C |
| 04:09.01 | Whyzerman | true |
| 04:10.50 | Whyzerman | And Semlar, its like learning how to speak Portuguese if you already know how to speak Spanish. Thats how close PHP and C are. |
| 04:11.05 | Neffi | Ehhhhhhhh |
| 04:11.07 | Semlar | no |
| 04:11.50 | Semlar | php is a scripting language and C is very different |
| 04:12.07 | Whyzerman | lol |
| 04:12.21 | Neffi | I agree. PHP is not C in any sense. |
| 04:12.46 | Semlar | they're similar in the sense that they're both programming languages |
| 04:12.56 | Neffi | Some code might look similar, but the inner workings are pretty damn different. Try to do the low level shit in C with PHP. |
| 04:13.07 | Whyzerman | PHP is an HTML-embedded scripting language. Much of its syntax is borrowed from C, Java and Perl with a couple of unique PHP-specific features thrown in. The goal of the language is to allow web developers to write dynamically generated pages quickly. <-- php.net |
| 04:13.38 | Neffi | Much of many languages' syntax resemble C. The fundamentals of the language aren't anything alike whatsoever. |
| 04:13.41 | Semlar | yeah, the syntax might be similar but a lot of languages borrow from C |
| 04:14.03 | Neffi | If I made a parser to allow bracketed C-style syntax in Lua, you wouldn't call it an extremely close relative of C. |
| 04:14.05 | Whyzerman | pretty sure I said that 20 minutes ago |
| 04:14.37 | Whyzerman | "Learn C and you pretty much know the basics, the rest is just semantics" |
| 04:15.05 | Semlar | learning C before PHP is completely ridiculous |
| 04:15.07 | Neffi | Meh. |
| 04:15.45 | Semlar | if they're so similar you could argue for learning PHP to get a grasp on C |
| 04:15.48 | Neffi | Sure, learning C gives you the fundamentals of programming, but the vast majority of knowledge and experience required for a particular project are in the infrastructure in which you're working, not the language itself |
| 04:16.39 | Neffi | I mean, knowing English doesn't mean you're already halfway towards writing screenplays |
| 04:16.57 | Whyzerman | no, but its a shit ton easier if you know English first. |
| 04:17.12 | Neffi | lol |
| 04:17.16 | Whyzerman | thats the only point im trying to make |
| 04:17.17 | Semlar | he's got you there |
| 04:17.28 | Neffi | Knowing the language is fundamental. Knowing the infrastructure is what really matters. |
| 04:17.47 | Neffi | And there's nothing magical about C |
| 04:17.59 | Neffi | I can write screenplays without ever hearing English at all |
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| 04:22.10 | Whyzerman | Ok, to put to rest this argument of why its important to know how networks/servers/programs work with one another, Say im a customer of yours who wants you to do this for me. I have a real estate company and I am always on the road working from my tablet. I want to be able to update listings from my tablet (securely) as well as print them out on either my office computer or my home computer |
| 04:22.10 | Whyzerman | (I should be able to choose which). I have no existing database set up, I have no server setup, and you can choose whatever language you want to code it in, I just want it to work and be secure. Go. |
| 04:22.42 | Whyzerman | you cant do all of that just with PHP. |
| 04:23.09 | Thunder_Child | Sure you can, with vpn |
| 04:23.38 | Whyzerman | I dont have a server, so how do I have a VPN? can you code the VPN with PHP? |
| 04:23.51 | Xuerian | With the horrors people have wrought for fun in php |
| 04:23.56 | Xuerian | Don't write it off that casually |
| 04:24.05 | kd3 | ^ |
| 04:24.54 | Semlar | i wrote a skype bot in php that attaches to the client |
| 04:27.10 | Semlar | that was before i rewrote it in python |
| 04:27.32 | Whyzerman | yeah, I dont know why python isnt more widely used. I love python. |
| 04:28.24 | Semlar | i just had someone forfeit a pet battle because my crab took down half of their team |
| 04:28.35 | Whyzerman | lol |
| 04:28.49 | Semlar | healing is overpowered |
| 04:29.06 | Whyzerman | (im laughing because you are doing pet battles not because the guy forfeited) |
| 04:30.06 | Semlar | i don't think you're really laughing at all |
| 04:30.34 | Whyzerman | :( caught me |
| 04:30.39 | Semlar | what makes you lie |
| 04:30.53 | Whyzerman | The Devil |
| 04:44.22 | |Ackis| | why is it when I log in sometimes all my action bars are gone, all my mounts are gone, etc... everything about my toon is just gone |
| 04:46.21 | Whyzerman | you are being hacked by a secret government organization who's goal is to infiltrate and confuse you by moving all your stuff. |
| 04:47.28 | Whyzerman | Honestly I have no idea - check the permissions on your wow folder, maybe your settings arent getting saved? |
| 04:47.58 | Whyzerman | or is all that saved server side? |
| 04:47.59 | |Ackis| | nothing to do with settings... it's like I'm just not getting data from the server |
| 04:49.05 | Whyzerman | I dunno, never seen that. Ive seen where I open up my professions and it takes like 10 minutes for the list to come up - but nothing like what you are saying |
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| 05:06.44 | Primer | I'm curious if anyone here knows why every minecraft mod is on a page that tries to trick people into downloading and installing useless crap? |
| 05:07.11 | kd3 | so the authors can get their $0.0005 cent/view by linking through adfly |
| 05:07.27 | Primer | My daughter, who is 10, wants me to install minecraft mods for her, but even I can't find the files some times |
| 05:07.34 | kd3 | s/ cent// |
| 05:07.49 | Primer | Not only that...no one has created an easy way to install these things? |
| 05:08.00 | Primer | I mean, they expect non-computer users to add files to a jar |
| 05:10.02 | kd3 | I know there are third-party launchers that do a better job with addons, or I think the curse client handles some part of the mess |
| 05:10.26 | Primer | I wasn't able to find such a thing in the curse client |
| 05:11.01 | Primer | it manages minecraft "snapshots", textures, and saved worlds |
| 05:11.08 | kd3 | http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/939149-launcher-magic-launcher-100-mods-options-news/ |
| 05:11.23 | Primer | lovely |
| 05:11.31 | Primer | this should be integrated into CC somehow |
| 05:11.53 | kd3 | if mojang ever gets off their ass with the mod api, things'll be easier |
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| 05:12.22 | bluipodcow | There's been efforts to make a proper framework for installing mods on minecraft primer |
| 05:12.37 | bluipodcow | But they don't get widely adapted |
| 05:12.45 | Primer | ugh, an exe |
| 05:12.56 | kd3 | there's a jar too, the windows/max/linux option |
| 05:12.57 | Primer | after all the trickery, I'm not sure I trust this |
| 05:13.02 | Xuerian | magiclauncher is actually very handy with that, though it's still not straightforward |
| 05:13.18 | Xuerian | And it's legitimate, though yes, wild exes are never the preferred option |
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| 05:13.38 | Primer | not that I haven't seen java code open browsers to sketchy places |
| 05:13.40 | Xuerian | Thankfully the groundwork for the mod API is only now about a year late and should be in the next patch |
| 05:13.43 | Primer | from minecraft, no less |
| 05:14.09 | Primer | oh, look, it takes me to adfly... |
| 05:14.18 | bluipodcow | Haha |
| 05:14.19 | Xuerian | Every single minecraft mod will do that. |
| 05:14.20 | kd3 | top right, wait 5 seconds, click |
| 05:14.22 | bluipodcow | U mad? |
| 05:14.33 | Xuerian | It's annoying, but curse didn't jump on it fast enough so now it's a thing |
| 05:14.49 | Primer | Yes, I know how to get around it. I just wonder how many kids have installed all the crap trying to get mods working. |
| 05:15.02 | kd3 | lots |
| 05:15.04 | kd3 | lots and lots |
| 05:15.13 | Xuerian | While I find it annoying, it is no worse than what googling "Free games" will get you |
| 05:15.49 | Primer | it's so damn shady |
| 05:15.51 | Xuerian | In fact it is mostly preferable once you realize you can just wait and click the yellow button that's in the same place every time |
| 05:18.51 | Primer | ok, MagicLauncher seems well done |
| 05:18.57 | Primer | and intuitive, so far |
| 05:21.48 | Primer | so this is in effect, ModLoader? |
| 05:22.00 | Primer | So if a game says it needs ModLoader, or Forge, this is already that, correct? |
| 05:22.26 | Dagmar | Forge has some additional libraries involved in it |
| 05:22.26 | kd3 | dunno, I haven't used it in a while |
| 05:22.41 | Dagmar | Modloader does some stuff with functions that's a bit different as well |
| 05:22.58 | Dagmar | What MagicLauncher does is automatically sets your CLASSPATH variable so you no longer have to actually alter any of the jar files |
| 05:23.30 | Primer | so at the very least I need to start with a minecraft.jar that contains the modloader files inside it? |
| 05:23.32 | Dagmar | So no more modding your jar file and having to fuck around with a bunch of different revisions of the client. You can flip back and forth between them quickly, too |
| 05:23.43 | Dagmar | Nope |
| 05:24.42 | Dagmar | TBH. just go get MCpatcher (if you use 32px textures) and rename your pristine minecraft.jar from the ~/.minecraft/bin directory to minecraft-1.5.2.jar, then run MCpatcher over it, name it minecraft-1.5.2+.jar, and then go create two profiles in MagicLauncher |
| 05:25.00 | Primer | ok, that seems to have worked |
| 05:25.20 | Primer | I started with a minecraft.jar that already had ML in it, added a mod, and it said "ok" |
| 05:25.29 | Dagmar | Under Setup in Magic Launcher you then tell it which things (like mod_loader) you want to be loaded with the jar you selected |
| 05:25.35 | Xuerian | Primer, for example: http://db.tt/IByCi85V |
| 05:25.45 | Xuerian | MinecraftForge is, generally, the new modloader |
| 05:26.32 | Primer | Dagmar: well, I tried that, by adding ModLoader.zip, but it hated that |
| 05:26.39 | Dagmar | 'cept their proponents are kinda dicks. |
| 05:26.58 | Xuerian | yeah, but so are a lot of dev cliques |
| 05:27.01 | Dagmar | Primer: It has to be for 1.5.2 |
| 05:27.06 | Primer | it is |
| 05:27.42 | Dagmar | Lemme update and see if I can replicate that then |
| 05:27.55 | Primer | Let me try minecraftforge, as shown in Xuerian's example |
| 05:28.09 | Xuerian | It's not just a blanket thing either, the mods you want to use have to support one or both |
| 05:28.27 | Primer | So it makes sense to have two separate setups |
| 05:28.42 | Xuerian | Usually they support both IIRC, just making sure you check :p |
| 05:31.05 | Primer | I started with a fresh minecraft.jar, I start MagicLauncher, hit setup, it shows 1.5.2. I added ModLoader.zip, which is for 1.5.2 (I know for a fact, as this was the file I added to a jar that has mods and works) |
| 05:31.16 | Primer | It reads status OK |
| 05:31.28 | Primer | I hit test, and it works now |
| 05:31.32 | Primer | last time it crashed |
| 05:31.35 | Primer | go figure |
| 05:31.39 | Primer | ok, now adding the mod |
| 05:31.40 | Xuerian | Good start :p |
| 05:32.42 | Dagmar | It just says "1 errors" here for ModLoader |
| 05:33.06 | Primer | that's what it had originally for me too |
| 05:33.13 | Primer | but then I tried again and it was OK |
| 05:33.34 | Dagmar | ...actually that's _after_ being patched with McPatcher. |
| 05:33.38 | Primer | let's allocate some more mem |
| 05:33.47 | Dagmar | You did something wrong if you got any errors from ModLoader being in there with pristine 1.5.2 |
| 05:34.07 | Primer | dunno...I followed the exact same steps twice |
| 05:34.22 | Xuerian | I don't think you need mcpatcher any more, do you? Not with forge, anyway. Or do you use it for grass/snow? |
| 05:34.26 | Dagmar | I've gotten used to seeing the "1 errors" from mcpatched jars. It's never affected it before |
| 05:34.30 | Primer | hrmm, seems it's using a 32bit jvm |
| 05:34.38 | Dagmar | I use it for randommobs, connectedtextures, etc |
| 05:34.47 | Xuerian | Ah |
| 05:34.58 | Xuerian | You can get it to use x64, though I forget the dance |
| 05:35.11 | Dagmar | ...also for SignTags |
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| 05:35.28 | Dagmar | SignTags I actually put to some work |
| 05:35.53 | Primer | I just had to point it at the 64 bit exe |
| 05:36.02 | Primer | it defaulted to the 32 bit one somehow |
| 05:36.45 | Dagmar | You don't point it at the exe. |
| 05:36.58 | Dagmar | First step is to run the _stock_ launcher |
| 05:37.18 | Primer | well, I didn't verify that it is in fact shelling out to the 32 bit one |
| 05:37.28 | Primer | but that's the one in the "Java" text field in the advanced tab |
| 05:37.29 | Dagmar | Let it download the other bits. Then you point MagicLauncher at the minecraft.jar that's in %AppData%/.minecraft/bin |
| 05:37.39 | Xuerian | I would assume he meant the javaw.exe path. |
| 05:37.48 | Primer | java.exe in this case |
| 05:37.48 | Dagmar | OH fuck that |
| 05:38.05 | Dagmar | If you have 64-bit windows 7, remove all other versions of Java except the 64-bit one |
| 05:38.12 | Primer | I can't |
| 05:38.18 | Primer | I need it for stuff |
| 05:38.30 | Dagmar | Then make damn sure your path variables are set right |
| 05:38.36 | bluipodcow | Porn stuff? |
| 05:38.44 | Dagmar | Windows is not your friend when it comes to that |
| 05:38.50 | Primer | work |
| 05:38.57 | Primer | I have an old 32 bit eclipse installed |
| 05:39.09 | Primer | and I CBF to update/change it |
| 05:39.25 | Primer | and I recall trying to use 64 bit eclipse, and have it fall all over itself |
| 05:39.54 | Primer | especially when developers distribute OS-specific native binary blobs in their plugins |
| 05:40.24 | Dagmar | Well, it'll be pretty obvious if it's invoking the wrong java. The client won't run for more than 10 minutes without crashing |
| 05:40.33 | Dagmar | This is a thing we've seen repeated over and over again |
| 05:41.15 | Dagmar | Hey... Cool. I never bothered to look in the Advanced tab after the first day |
| 05:41.18 | Primer | write once, run...away |
| 05:41.19 | Dagmar | That'll probably do the trick |
| 05:41.22 | Xuerian | heh |
| 05:44.18 | Dagmar | Primer: As to your earlier question about why every mod uses a shitty spam-filled page, it's because many of them are entitled pricks |
| 05:44.28 | Dagmar | We've been up and down that road so many times. |
| 05:45.02 | Dagmar | The only reason AdFly is even a little bit tolerated is that they _finally_ started bringing the hammer down on advertisers that _were_ in fact, exploiting browsers and installing malware/spamware directly. |
| 05:45.25 | Primer | good |
| 05:45.32 | Dagmar | At one point I was using ToR to hit them 100 times with different user-agents |
| 05:47.04 | Dagmar | Hm...I'll have to try that monsterspawnhighlighter |
| 05:47.21 | Dagmar | Usually I go for CJB's mods, but they're a little involved (understatement) |
| 05:47.32 | Primer | my daughter wanted this solar system mod |
| 05:47.40 | Primer | but it seems it hasn't been updated since 1.2.x |
| 05:47.48 | Xuerian | yeah, I used to use zombe's, but it was a pain, so this one works fairly simply |
| 05:48.05 | bluipodcow | What's that one do dagmar ? |
| 05:48.05 | Kraps | is Cairenn awake |
| 05:48.22 | bluipodcow | Cairenn: Herro ! |
| 05:48.48 | Dagmar | bluipodcow: Well, among other things it puts a _number_ on the tile in question |
| 05:48.59 | Cairenn | continues lurking |
| 05:49.01 | Dagmar | ...so you can tell if you need to move a torch a few blocks. |
| 05:49.32 | bluipodcow | *noms Cairenn* |
| 05:50.25 | Kraps | Cairenn: are you in SCA too or is it just peppy |
| 05:50.34 | Cairenn | I am |
| 05:50.40 | Kraps | oh huh |
| 05:51.23 | Cairenn | why for? |
| 05:51.26 | Dagmar | Damn. WorldEdit CUI still isn't updated |
| 05:51.34 | Kraps | which kingdom |
| 05:52.06 | Kraps | was just talking about it in another channel and i remembered peppy was in it |
| 05:52.32 | Cairenn | Ealdormere |
| 05:52.48 | Kraps | and peppy? |
| 05:52.54 | Cairenn | East |
| 05:53.03 | Cairenn | I used to be East as well, until I moved to Ontario |
| 05:53.10 | Kraps | cool |
| 05:53.19 | Cairenn | http://www.sca.org/geography/ |
| 05:53.45 | Cairenn | I haven't really been active in years though |
| 05:54.19 | Cairenn | In fact, I just got in touch with the local chatelaine to donate all of our garb to gold key |
| 05:55.54 | Dagmar | Ohh... That'll teach me to not search the whole thread. There IS a WorldEditCUI for 1.5.2 |
| 06:03.35 | Dagmar | If you build largish stuff (on a server you're an admin for) the client side mod is soooo helpful. |
| 06:03.49 | Dagmar | Just being able to see WTF you're selecting |
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| 06:19.05 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 06:19.09 | Fisker | not so hey bluipodcow |
| 06:24.05 | jnwhiteh | hji |
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| 08:11.00 | karl_w_w | anyone remember the cvar that controls the frequency of certain spell animations? |
| 08:11.14 | karl_w_w | most notable rain of fire style spells |
| 08:13.51 | jnwhiteh | particleDensity? |
| 08:13.55 | jnwhiteh | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/cvars |
| 08:14.15 | jnwhiteh | emphasizeMySpells? |
| 08:18.25 | Jitta | hi, I've got a little problem with curse/curseforge: since ~1week both sites stopped notifying (email) me for new tickets/comments on my projects. I didn't change anyting in the settings and in the subscriptions config 'comment/ticket updates' are enabled. Any ideas to fix this? |
| 08:18.51 | AcidWeb | You cant |
| 08:19.50 | Jitta | so, it's a bug on their end? |
| 08:20.03 | karl_w_w | hmm not those |
| 08:20.55 | AcidWeb | Jitta: it is almost feature |
| 08:21.03 | AcidWeb | ;> |
| 08:21.28 | Jitta | bummer :( |
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| 08:22.38 | karl_w_w | lol there's a cvar called UberTooltips |
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| 08:25.34 | Whyzerman | karl_w_w spellEffectLevel |
| 08:26.19 | karl_w_w | [16:26:37] Dump: value=GetCVar("spellEffectLevel") [16:26:37] empty result |
| 08:26.41 | karl_w_w | maybe they took it out |
| 08:26.53 | Whyzerman | ./console spellEffectLevel ### <-- |
| 08:27.12 | Whyzerman | you have to either manually add it to the config.wtf file or use that command ingame |
| 08:27.22 | Whyzerman | otherwise its not going to have a value |
| 08:27.33 | Whyzerman | the values (###) are 1-100 |
| 08:28.31 | Whyzerman | http://www.wowwiki.com/CVar_spellEffectlevel |
| 08:29.24 | karl_w_w | yeah its not having any effect |
| 08:29.36 | karl_w_w | and that entry is not in wowpedia which is the updated one |
| 08:30.36 | Whyzerman | well I pulled that from the writeup evralia made at MMO-Champion |
| 08:32.14 | Whyzerman | http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1271984-5-2-Destruction-Guide-How-To-Now-with-100-more-pets |
| 08:32.28 | Whyzerman | sorry wasnt evralia |
| 08:32.42 | Whyzerman | look towards the end of the post |
| 08:33.54 | karl_w_w | i guess it's outdated then :P |
| 08:34.53 | karl_w_w | and why is irc caining my cpu :/ |
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| 08:35.47 | karl_w_w | because the previous one that crashed was still running |
| 08:36.55 | Whyzerman | it works btw |
| 08:37.15 | Whyzerman | you just need to add the CVar to the config file first |
| 08:37.23 | Whyzerman | then you can adjust it in game |
| 08:39.24 | Whyzerman | http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv133/whyzerman/WoWScrnShot_051213_043827_zpsc046c72b.jpg |
| 08:39.44 | Whyzerman | thats using /console spellEffectLevel 15000 |
| 08:39.54 | Whyzerman | you probably dont wanna go that high |
| 08:41.28 | Whyzerman | 30 seems like a happy medium lol |
| 08:44.52 | Xuerian | That's, uh. A little excessive. |
| 08:45.13 | Whyzerman | just a tad |
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| 08:45.46 | karl_w_w | hmm |
| 08:46.47 | Whyzerman | the difference between 1-30 is minimal, the difference between 30-50 is noticable, anything above 50 it starts obscuring your vision of whats in your rain of fire |
| 08:49.44 | Whyzerman | k, time for bed |
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| 08:49.46 | Whyzerman | later |
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| 10:34.17 | karl_w_w | first time i've come off that bridge :( |
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| 12:51.15 | bluspacecow | ~wowalert |
| 12:51.15 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: Returns empty content unless there is an active alert] |
| 12:51.19 | bluspacecow | ~fiskeralert |
| 13:10.52 | zenzelezz | intriguing comment... probably NSFW language: http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3741395&cid=43700991 |
| 13:11.02 | zenzelezz | somehow it doesn't seem constructive to the discussion |
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| 15:12.17 | Thunder_Child | Thats discussion doesn't seem constructive. |
| 15:12.24 | Thunder_Child | That* |
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| 16:05.13 | karl_w_w | "That is, pure water is tasteless. But youve probably never tasted pure water in your life." |
| 16:05.20 | karl_w_w | "probably" |
| 16:06.44 | karl_w_w | "You're probably never stopped an unstoppable force" |
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| 16:10.34 | whyzerman | pure water tastes like ass |
| 16:11.59 | whyzerman | although, now that I think of it, I've never tasted ass in my life. |
| 16:14.15 | Thunder_Child | except for the part where you are more likely to have tasted ass than pure water. |
| 16:16.25 | whyzerman | not true - you taste pure water everytime you walk through/inhale steam - although if you are in a steam bath there is a good chance someones ass molecules are mixed in there. |
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| 16:57.12 | karl_w_w | pure water is tasteless |
| 16:57.19 | karl_w_w | it is impossible to taste it |
| 16:59.39 | Mr_Rabies | BEHOOOOLD THE POWER OF PUUUUUUURE WAAATER |
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| 17:14.40 | bluspacecow | thats not water |
| 17:14.41 | bluspacecow | :| |
| 17:16.37 | Thunder_Child | Penis juice? |
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| 17:18.07 | bluspacecow | oh my |
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| 17:20.22 | Tuller | nachos |
| 17:21.41 | foxlit | lua> (("s"):rep(100000)):match(("[^aeoui]"):rep(500000)) |
| 17:22.15 | foxlit | heh, no bot to suffer through that. |
| 17:22.26 | foxlit | !lua (("s"):rep(100000)):match(("[^aeoui]"):rep(500000)) |
| 17:22.26 | batbot | foxlit: @ not enough memory |
| 17:22.43 | foxlit | !lua (("s"):rep(10000)):match(("[^aeoui]"):rep(50000)) |
| 17:22.45 | batbot | foxlit: > nil |
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| 17:44.48 | Mr_Rabies | urgh |
| 17:44.55 | Mr_Rabies | this acheivement being broken for alliance is dumb :< |
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| 18:01.07 | zenzelezz | which achievement? |
| 18:04.24 | foxlit | zenzelezz: for the ward. |
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| 18:28.15 | Fisker | hey foxlit |
| 18:28.21 | Fisker | not so hey bluspacecow |
| 18:34.08 | Primer | WOL java thing sucking more and more |
| 18:34.16 | Primer | hit upload...nothing happens |
| 18:34.22 | Primer | just silently fails |
| 18:35.13 | Kraps | mlyp |
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| 19:09.36 | Primer | wow...magic launcher UI hangs when it can't connect to one of its feeds... |
| 19:09.49 | Primer | you'd think people could figure that out nowadays |
| 19:17.54 | zenzelezz | multi-threading or asynchronouse I/O is still pretty magic |
| 19:21.11 | Primer | Are there no frameworks for that in java? Or do they just expect people to thread everything? |
| 19:21.22 | Primer | Frameworks for asynch I/O, that is |
| 19:21.37 | Primer | like Perl's POE or Python's twisted |
| 19:28.30 | Primer | I just can't get over how misleading all these minecraft pages are |
| 19:28.59 | Primer | my daughter still wants this solar system mod for minecraft, there's a ton of pages that read "Solar System Mod for minecraft 1.5.2" |
| 19:29.10 | Primer | even a youtube video with the same title |
| 19:29.25 | Primer | yet this hasn't been updated since 1.2.5 |
| 19:29.37 | Primer | and the video clearly shows the dude running 1.2.5 |
| 19:30.15 | Primer | Then there's other pages that go "The Solar System Mod for 1.5.2/1.5.1./1.4.7/1.4.6...yet, it's the same thing. It's only on 1.2.5 |
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| 19:36.26 | Arrowmaster | Primer: you want minecraft in space? |
| 19:42.40 | zenzelezz | Primer: "1.5.2" vs. "1.2.5" could possibly be a typo |
| 19:42.58 | zenzelezz | though not a common one |
| 19:52.52 | Guest58639 | http://smg.photobucket.com/user/khriz/media/WoWScrnShot_062509_050416.jpg.html whats this loot window addon? |
| 19:52.59 | Guest58639 | the fuck |
| 19:53.20 | |Jelly|_ | xloot |
| 19:54.05 | *** join/#wowuidev Adys (~adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 19:54.11 | Adys | wow irc is a piece of shit |
| 19:54.20 | Adys | urgh |
| 19:54.31 | Adys | had to leave seven channels in order to change my fucking nick. |
| 19:54.55 | Stanzilla | hey Adys |
| 19:54.58 | Stanzilla | wanna help me out? |
| 19:54.59 | Arrowmaster | my work is retarded, got an email saying my password will expire in 10 days and if i dont login so a special page to change it i will be completely locked out and have to call the service desk |
| 19:55.53 | zenzelezz | Adys: say what? |
| 19:56.09 | Adys | [20:52:55] * 435 Adys #dri-devel Cannot change nickname while banned on channel |
| 19:56.09 | Adys | [20:53:15] * 435 Adys #git Cannot change nickname while banned on channel |
| 19:56.09 | Adys | etc |
| 19:56.13 | Adys | cause of +m |
| 19:56.17 | zenzelezz | O_o |
| 19:56.21 | Fisker | yes Adys |
| 19:56.24 | Fisker | that is normal |
| 19:56.30 | Adys | you cant change nick in a +m channel if you're not id |
| 19:56.33 | Adys | what is it Stanzilla? |
| 19:56.49 | Fisker | it's to prevent spam from nick changes |
| 19:56.52 | Stanzilla | Adys: you know how google picture instant upload generates a folder in your gallery, right? |
| 19:56.55 | Stanzilla | on android ofc |
| 19:56.56 | Stanzilla | sry |
| 19:56.59 | Adys | No. |
| 19:57.00 | Fisker | since when you can't chat you can /nick topicofconversation |
| 19:57.02 | Stanzilla | why not :< |
| 19:57.07 | Fisker | i don't think it's an irc thing either |
| 19:57.12 | Fisker | most ircd's just started doing it |
| 19:57.15 | Fisker | because people are retarded |
| 19:57.26 | Adys | that wasnt the only annoying part |
| 19:57.38 | Adys | and +m shouldnt *prevent* nick change in a sane protocol |
| 19:57.50 | Adys | it should just prevent it from being visible on the chan |
| 19:58.26 | Stanzilla | Adys: so you don't use the g+ android app? |
| 19:58.35 | Adys | i dont use much of anything |
| 19:58.52 | Stanzilla | ok :( |
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| 19:59.05 | Stanzilla | I got the mentioned folder twice and can't get rid of them though :< |
| 19:59.13 | Fisker | i think quakenet can do that Adys |
| 19:59.18 | Fisker | in audiotorium mode |
| 19:59.24 | Adys | Quakenet has a mode like that yes |
| 19:59.33 | Adys | but it's stupid because the protocol is stupid |
| 19:59.36 | Adys | and it bugs out the chat room |
| 19:59.49 | Adys | the very way it implements it *has* to desync the client |
| 19:59.51 | Adys | retarded |
| 20:00.04 | Adys | ircds should just implement the quassel protocol |
| 20:00.05 | Adys | fuck the rest |
| 20:00.11 | Fisker | yes |
| 20:00.15 | nevcairiel | the protocol isnt necessarily stupid, but like many internet protocols, it was designed before trolls came along |
| 20:00.17 | Fisker | that way i can get ssl on quakenet too |
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| 20:00.39 | nevcairiel | so some anti-troll-measures were bolted on afterwards =p |
| 20:00.45 | Adys | nevcairiel: the protocol is necessarily stupid |
| 20:00.48 | Adys | and horrible |
| 20:00.51 | Adys | and awful |
| 20:00.59 | Arrowmaster | and older than you |
| 20:01.00 | Fisker | lets make our own one |
| 20:01.01 | zenzelezz | <Adys> ircds should just implement the quassel protocol <-- so more strictly speaking, people should just switch from IRC to Quassel |
| 20:01.03 | Adys | and you can forgive because it's older than my dad |
| 20:01.03 | Fisker | with casinos and hookers |
| 20:01.05 | Adys | but whatever |
| 20:01.26 | Adys | zenzelezz: quassel has a very sane client-server protocol |
| 20:01.34 | nevcairiel | not really |
| 20:01.38 | nevcairiel | its a undocumented mess |
| 20:01.45 | nevcairiel | based on serialized Qt objects |
| 20:01.46 | Adys | it's undocumented, yes |
| 20:01.47 | Adys | but sane :P |
| 20:02.00 | nevcairiel | implementation dependent serialized objects |
| 20:02.01 | Adys | serialized qt objects are pretty sane |
| 20:02.01 | nevcairiel | insane |
| 20:02.08 | zenzelezz | Adys: I was not arguing, more commenting |
| 20:02.10 | Arrowmaster | you would have to move everybody to a new protocol and disable the old irc protocol to actually change anything |
| 20:02.21 | Adys | i know |
| 20:02.33 | zenzelezz | Arrowmaster: sort of like MSN? IIRC they're only running to 2014 |
| 20:02.47 | nevcairiel | didnt msn die recently |
| 20:02.53 | zenzelezz | the client only |
| 20:02.56 | zenzelezz | the protocol is up for another year |
| 20:03.18 | zenzelezz | well, "the service" is probably the right word, not protocol |
| 20:03.46 | Adys | good |
| 20:07.32 | Stanzilla | I'm happy again http://www.androidcentral.com/remove-duplicate-and-empty-google-photo-albums-your-gallery |
| 20:10.02 | Adys | Fisker: so this guy couldn't deal with torrents on the Proboskus brawlers fight |
| 20:10.08 | Adys | i asked him if he had issues with his firewall. |
| 20:10.17 | Adys | nobody fucking laughed... |
| 20:10.30 | Fisker | me neither :( |
| 20:10.43 | zenzelezz | heh |
| 20:10.53 | Adys | yeah well screw you |
| 20:10.58 | Adys | imma do my own irc channel |
| 20:10.59 | zenzelezz | word play is sadly underappreciated |
| 20:11.00 | Adys | with hookers. |
| 20:11.09 | Fisker | :( |
| 20:11.29 | Fisker | i did an awesome one |
| 20:11.37 | Fisker | It was a link to doctor who spoilers |
| 20:11.41 | Fisker | and i wrote "Don't link" |
| 20:11.43 | Fisker | get it? |
| 20:11.56 | Adys | eheh. |
| 20:13.11 | zenzelezz | don't suppose anyone EU-ish have been having issues with twitch.tv struggling lately? For a few weeks or so now I can never get smooth 720p, and at times it'll even chug at 480/360... haven't yet found out if it's them or some intermediate thing between them and my ISP |
| 20:13.22 | Fisker | i don't even twitch |
| 20:13.24 | Fisker | not even once |
| 20:13.35 | zenzelezz | not everyone has your skills Fisker |
| 20:13.44 | Fisker | i know |
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| 21:36.51 | Primer | Arrowmaster: no, my 10 year old daughter is the one that plays minecraft. She's always asking me to install mods for her. |
| 21:37.45 | kullervo | Primer: why haven't you yet taught her how to install them? |
| 21:37.54 | Primer | please |
| 21:38.11 | Primer | I'm guessing you've never installed minecraft mods? |
| 21:38.19 | kullervo | even better if it's hard |
| 21:38.31 | kullervo | she'll have to learn more things about how stuff works |
| 21:39.00 | Primer | First you have to get through the gauntlet of the initial download, where they try to trick people into installing all sorts of crap |
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| 21:39.46 | Primer | Then you have to learn how to take files out of a zip and put them in a jar file |
| 21:40.30 | Primer | I would love to teach her all these things, but they don't interest her. |
| 21:47.29 | Stanzilla | Primer: curse client does minecraft mods |
| 21:51.40 | VIad | sorry for off topic, but anyone got the documentation of all the parameters in |Ttexture|t type strings? |
| 21:53.28 | darkd3 | http://www.wowpedia.org/UI_Escape_Sequences#Textures |
| 21:53.29 | nebula169 | http://www.wowpedia.org/UI_escape_sequences#Textures |
| 21:53.33 | nebula169 | lol |
| 21:53.35 | kd3 | hah |
| 21:53.39 | VIad | yeah, but sadly it's not the whole deal |
| 21:53.50 | nebula169 | |TTexturePath:size1:size2:xoffset:yoffset:dimx:dimy:coordx1:coordx2:coordy1:coordy2:red:green:blue|t isn't everything? |
| 21:54.30 | nebula169 | you have sizing, cropping, and coloring, what else are you trying to do? lol |
| 21:54.34 | VIad | hmm |
| 21:54.45 | VIad | hold on, let me check :) |
| 21:55.13 | VIad | no you are right |
| 21:55.18 | VIad | that's all the params |
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| 22:07.14 | Primer | Stanzilla: so curse patches minecraft.jar to add modloader? |
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| 22:07.25 | Primer | because I've yet to find that feature |
| 22:08.14 | Primer | or modforge or whatever |
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| 22:35.01 | Stanzilla | I think so |
| 22:35.33 | Stanzilla | Primer: http://minecraft.curseforge.com/ |
| 22:35.53 | Stanzilla | apart from the url, I know nothing |
| 22:36.16 | kd3 | forge for minecraft != curseforge |
| 22:38.09 | Primer | Stanzilla: so yeah, it doesn't support it |
| 22:38.47 | Stanzilla | I think it only does texture packs :< |
| 22:39.48 | Primer | and snapshots |
| 22:45.59 | whyzerman | k, quick question |
| 22:46.22 | whyzerman | how can I tell if I am in a sub zone (like a cave in Jade Forest) |
| 22:46.24 | whyzerman | ? |
| 22:47.04 | whyzerman | or Shrine of Seven Stars/Two Moons |
| 22:48.19 | kd3 | http://www.wowpedia.org/World_of_Warcraft_API#Location_Functions |
| 22:48.39 | kd3 | (dealing with the map in wow is full of pain and suffering. don't do it if you don't have to) |
| 22:49.28 | whyzerman | ZONE_CHANGED_INDOORS <-- |
| 22:49.33 | zenzelezz | one does not simply world geography |
| 22:49.37 | whyzerman | I think thats the event im looking for |
| 22:50.07 | whyzerman | Fired when a player enters a new zone and enters a location which is inside (Instances appear to be counted as indoors) See also ZONE_CHANGED or ZONE_CHANGED_NEW_AREA as mutually exclusive events For coding it would be advisable to register for all three events |
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| 22:53.20 | Ackis | anyone here play a feral druid that raids? |
| 22:54.16 | Xuerian | Fairly sure Mr_Rabies does. |
| 22:59.06 | Arrowmaster | http://i.imgur.com/UWoGUt7.png |
| 23:03.28 | whyzerman | lol nice |
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