| 00:01.42 | Eridius | of course saying getfenv().foo is even worse, because that's now 3 instructions |
| 00:01.45 | Eridius | GETGLOBAL + CALL + GETTABLE |
| 00:04.29 | durcyn | local _G = getfenv(0) obviously |
| 00:04.39 | Eridius | hah |
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| 00:05.23 | Eridius | durcyn: well, I'd want to put that into the function itself and use getfenv(1) instead, or changes to the environments of individual functions wouldn't work properly |
| 00:07.44 | Eridius | whoa wtf, `local a, b, c = 1, 2, 3; a, b, c = nil` doesn't just load nil back into the registers for a, b, c, it loads nil into 3 new registers, then individually moves those registers on top of a, b, c. That's crazy |
| 00:08.02 | Eridius | I guess it didn't want to bother optimizing for the case where all nilled registers were contiguous |
| 00:08.37 | Ackis | well I feel like a jackass for leaving negative ebay feedback |
| 00:09.16 | Eridius | did they deserve it? |
| 00:09.25 | ccox_ | delivered and UPS says it was their fault? |
| 00:10.06 | Ackis | They sent the package, it got lost somewhere, and because they're the sender they need to open the investigation with USPS to track the lost package, but they're just ignoring me |
| 00:10.41 | ccox_ | ok, that would get negative feedback, so why feel bad? |
| 00:11.13 | Ackis | I try to be the nice guy |
| 00:11.30 | Primer | unlikely |
| 00:13.21 | Mr_Rabies | that's almost always the only way to get someone to respond |
| 00:14.18 | Mr_Rabies | ebay has really declined in the last 5 years or so |
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| 00:24.21 | kd3 | huzzah. got the blazing rune. last minipet from mc. now if only the other binding would drop... |
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| 00:43.34 | Ackis | is there a way I can emulate an iphone/ipod touch on my PC? I want to play some ios exclusive games but I don't want to buy the damn device |
| 00:44.13 | kd3 | there's apple-provided emulators for osx... |
| 00:44.36 | Eridius | Ackis: no |
| 00:44.45 | Eridius | kd3: and no there's not. There's a Simulator, which is different than an emulator |
| 00:45.11 | Eridius | notably, it runs x86 code, not arm code. And some of the low-level frameworks it uses comes from the host OS rather than from the iOS SDK |
| 00:45.21 | Eridius | (although more and more of the low-level stuff comes from the SDK with each new version) |
| 00:45.35 | Ackis | so in otherwords... no? |
| 00:45.39 | Eridius | Ackis: correct |
| 00:45.44 | Ackis | :P |
| 00:45.45 | Ackis | thanks |
| 00:46.03 | Eridius | Ackis: what games did you want to play? |
| 00:46.22 | Ackis | mass effect universe I think it is, and some of the skylanders games |
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| 00:56.39 | TC-work | http://www.iemu.org/index.php/Main_Page ? |
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| 01:17.07 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/LLGVYxl.jpg the minimap blobs really don't handle using koffing as the minimap mask very well |
| 01:22.46 | Mr_Rabies | use voltorb, obviously |
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| 01:24.40 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/kZeeHeE.jpg voltorb works |
| 01:39.02 | Eridius | random question: why is the register set for a function limited to 250 (at least by default; I'm guessing this is configurable) when the instructions can theoretically address 256 registers? |
| 01:45.46 | cogwheel | some registers are used for specific purposes by convention, so it probably avoids those for general variable usage, perhaps? |
| 01:46.00 | cogwheel | (not sure the context of the question) |
| 01:47.07 | Humbedooh | it's reserved for the five little piggies |
| 01:47.54 | Eridius | cogwheel: just general lua internals question |
| 01:48.02 | cogwheel | oh Lua internals |
| 01:48.11 | cogwheel | yeah, i'm thinking CPU architecture here |
| 01:48.12 | Eridius | experimentally, Lua actually only allows 200 local variables, so I guess the 50 are reserved for other uses (e.g. for use as parameters for function calls) |
| 01:48.24 | Eridius | cogwheel: hah, show me the CPU with 250 registers :P |
| 01:48.48 | cogwheel | i dub it UbeRISC |
| 01:48.59 | Eridius | I'm just curious why it doesn't bother using the 6 registers that are theoretically addressable |
| 01:51.10 | Eridius | incidentally, I've seen people suggest that pulling global functions into locals at the top of your .lua file is a performance improvement, but is that actually true? Inside of functions that would just end up using GETUPVAL instead of GETGLOBAL, so unless there's a performance difference between those two instructions... |
| 01:51.15 | Eridius | m |
| 01:51.51 | cogwheel | getglobal involves an extra table indirection iirc |
| 01:51.51 | Eridius | oh wait, nevermind. A PDF I'm reading just asserted that upvalues are faster than globals |
| 01:52.49 | Eridius | aaand the evidence presented in this PDF is garbage |
| 01:53.09 | Eridius | it claimed that pulling math.sin into a local var before calling it 1000000 times was a 30% speed improvement. That sounds plausible |
| 01:53.23 | cogwheel | also, local variables aren't upvalues unless you make a closure |
| 01:53.53 | Eridius | eh screw the evidence. whatever |
| 01:54.10 | Eridius | cogwheel: well yes, but very little work is done at the toplevel of a given addon's lua file |
| 01:54.45 | cogwheel | still, i think the avoided indirection through the _G table is where the performance gains lie |
| 01:54.57 | cogwheel | and obviously it depends on the use |
| 01:55.11 | cogwheel | if you're only accessing the value once, it's probably more costly to pull it into a local |
| 01:55.30 | cogwheel | it definitely helps for functions that are called in tight loops though |
| 01:55.38 | Eridius | cogwheel: in the one addon where I've gone the route of local-ifying stuff, I did so mainly so the getglobals script could catch unintended global access |
| 01:55.53 | Eridius | pulling anything I used multiple times into a local and accessing the remaining few things through _G |
| 01:56.24 | Grivvel | Imo, in WoW converting things to upvalues is a micro-optimization that probably isn't worth it. If you call any WoW API functions, the cost of bouncing to C is probably going to outweigh any gains. |
| 01:57.00 | Eridius | Grivvel: I agree, I'm just trying to understand the claims being made |
| 01:57.29 | Eridius | I like the idea of a getglobals script catching typos because they show up as unintended global access, I just wish there was an easier way to annotate intended globals without affecting performance |
| 01:58.07 | Eridius | I know there's a script that lets me write a comment that lists all the globals I'm going to use, but it's a crappy script, and I'd rather annotate globals at the point of use if possible |
| 01:59.07 | Grivvel | Eridius: You could use Metalua and have that compile to Lua after validation :P |
| 01:59.39 | Eridius | Grivvel: never looked at metalua, but I'm not really a fan of having to "build" my addons :P |
| 02:00.08 | Neffi | Is JC still the awesome goldmaker it used to be? |
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| 02:15.57 | NorxMAL | I have tried multiple tries to make this concatenation to work "CRi = "#sender" .. "CRTable" + 1" |
| 02:16.31 | Eridius | NorxMAL: what are you expecting "CRTable" + 1 to do |
| 02:16.43 | Eridius | also you're concatenating two constant strings? |
| 02:17.25 | NorxMAL | If sender is MrMan, I want it to reevaluate itself to CRi = #MrManCRTable + 1 |
| 02:17.43 | Eridius | NorxMAL: is MrManCRTable a global? |
| 02:18.03 | Eridius | NorxMAL: you sure you don't want it to evaluate to something like CRTables["MrMan"] ? |
| 02:18.14 | Eridius | well, #CRTables["MrMan"] + 1 |
| 02:18.17 | NorxMAL | I can do that too :) |
| 02:18.30 | Eridius | NorxMAL: that would be far better than polluting the global namespace. And won't require any concatenation |
| 02:18.42 | Eridius | CRi = #CRTables[sender] + 1 |
| 02:19.18 | NorxMAL | But for future use, how do you reevaluate something before continuing, if that makes any sense? |
| 02:19.40 | Eridius | for reference, your original code should have looked like: CRi = #_G[sender.."CRTable"] + 1 |
| 02:19.45 | Eridius | NorxMAL: I have no idea what you mean by that |
| 02:20.35 | NorxMAL | Say I wanted MrManCRTable from sender .. CRTable, what do I do? |
| 02:21.23 | Eridius | NorxMAL: still not sure what you mean |
| 02:21.37 | Eridius | unless you're asking about the snippet of code I just pasted above with the _G in it |
| 02:21.55 | Eridius | if sender is "MrMan" and you want to reference a global "MrManCRTable", you create the key with sender.."CRTable" and then use that to index into _G |
| 02:21.58 | Eridius | which is the global table |
| 02:22.08 | Eridius | (assuming your function/thread hasn't had its environment changed with setfenv()) |
| 02:23.13 | NorxMAL | Thank you :) |
| 02:23.38 | Eridius | NorxMAL: that said, please try not to pollute the global namespace unless strictly necessary :P |
| 02:23.49 | Eridius | and when you do, at least use your addon name as a prefix on the global name |
| 02:24.00 | NorxMAL | I have to be honest, I don't know what that means yet xD |
| 02:24.27 | Eridius | NorxMAL: globals are visible to other addons. If two addons use the same name for a global, one of them (or maybe both) will break |
| 02:24.43 | Eridius | a global is a variable that's not a local, and not inherited from an enclosing function's scope |
| 02:24.58 | NorxMAL | Okay, that is what I'm trying to do already luckilly :) |
| 02:25.36 | Eridius | NorxMAL: your table of senders presumably should be a local declared at the top of your .lua file (and thus visible to all functions in the .lua file after it), or maybe hung off of some shared object (e.g. if you have a table that represents your addon) |
| 02:25.44 | Eridius | and then you can index into this table with the sender's name |
| 02:28.31 | NorxMAL | How do I do a if statement to check if a table exists, and make it if it doesn't? |
| 02:28.47 | NorxMAL | Tabe = {} wipes the table? |
| 02:28.55 | Eridius | if (not Tabe) Tabe = {} |
| 02:29.00 | Eridius | or: Tabe = Tabe or {} |
| 02:29.04 | kd3 | foo = foo or {} |
| 02:29.05 | kd3 | bah |
| 02:29.15 | NorxMAL | Thanks! :) |
| 02:29.40 | Eridius | NorxMAL: in lua, only the values nil and false are treated as false values. Everything else is true. This means you can just use the object in question as the conditional, or use it as part of an `or` |
| 02:31.31 | Eridius | hah, both of my solutions produce identical bytecode |
| 02:31.38 | Eridius | (my first suggestion was syntactically incorrect of course) |
| 02:32.32 | pompy | Seerah: till what? lol |
| 02:32.42 | Seerah | liftoff :p |
| 02:32.47 | Seerah | visiting the family in New York |
| 02:33.49 | pompy | quick flight! |
| 02:34.06 | NorxMAL | Is this right? CRTable[sender] = CRTable[sender] or {} |
| 02:34.20 | NorxMAL | Message: Interface\AddOns\WowAddon3\Frame.lua:157: attempt to index global 'CRTable' (a nil value) |
| 02:34.23 | Seerah | pompy: no so much :) Memphis->DC->Westchester |
| 02:34.34 | pompy | ahhh! |
| 02:34.40 | kd3 | you'd have to check for CRTable itself first |
| 02:35.10 | NorxMAL | oh :) |
| 02:35.11 | kd3 | before checking for any elements in the table |
| 02:36.55 | Ackis | are the servers still shit? |
| 02:37.23 | kd3 | haven't had any issues in wow for ~24 hours now |
| 02:37.37 | Ackis | I was on a few hours ago and it was laggy as hell |
| 02:41.40 | NorxMAL | If sender = MrMan, would it become #CRTables["MrMan"] or is the table CRTables with MrMan in it? |
| 02:42.25 | NorxMAL | I want to make a table unique to different users |
| 02:42.39 | NorxMAL | I have to use #_G["CRTable"..sender] ? |
| 02:42.48 | Eridius | NorxMAL: no it's CRTables[sender] |
| 02:42.58 | Eridius | #CRTables[sender] to get the length of the sender-specific table |
| 02:43.08 | Eridius | the _G thing was an example for how to do the global approach you seemed to be initially doing |
| 02:49.45 | Mr_Rabies | hmmm |
| 02:50.51 | Mr_Rabies | with battle pets, if you have a lower level pet and a level 25 pet that assists in a kill, does the lvl25 still "get" experience and it just get thrown out, or does 100% of the experience go to the lower level one? |
| 02:53.00 | Grivvel | Mr_Rabies: 25s don't eat xp |
| 02:53.23 | Mr_Rabies | so it's as if the 25 wasn't in the fight, then, exp wise? |
| 02:54.08 | Grivvel | Mr_Rabies: Yup |
| 02:54.17 | Mr_Rabies | neat |
| 02:54.41 | Grivvel | Mr_Rabies: If you can beat the level 25 trainers with just 2 25s and a 1, the 1 instantly hits level 8 (if you have the trainer's hat on) |
| 02:55.23 | Grivvel | I've been making a good bit of gold by buying terrible turnips cheap off the AH, leveling them to 25 with one day's worth of dailies and selling them for 1.5k+ |
| 02:56.19 | Mr_Rabies | what's the fastest way to level pets? i've been just doing random battles with a lowbie and a high level |
| 02:56.30 | Mr_Rabies | while prepping pets to kill the master trainers |
| 02:56.31 | xyphoid | wait terrible turnips are sellable |
| 02:56.37 | xyphoid | for some reason i didn't even think about that |
| 02:56.42 | kd3 | uh oh... best korea may not be just rattling the saber... http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hmEUR-mSLEUHfAswkZ36agHTkKiw?docId=CNG.29350d12cef5ba479bd32457cce4d1a0.8a1 |
| 02:57.11 | Grivvel | I've found the fastest way is to kill the daily traner's 2v3 (with a level 1). Though that's obviously limited in the number of dailies. |
| 02:57.19 | NorxMAL | CRi = #CRTable[sender] + 1 || Gives me error Message: Interface\AddOns\WowAddon3\Frame.lua:159: attempt to get length of field '?' (a nil value) |
| 02:57.29 | NorxMAL | Do I have to do something to the table before that? |
| 02:57.55 | NorxMAL | I just have this CRTable = CRTable or {} |
| 02:58.12 | Mr_Rabies | i don't really know how to do the daily trainer quests, do i have to kill all the masters first for them to unlock? or is it just the "challenge me again" things after defeating them the first time |
| 02:58.38 | NorxMAL | CRTable[sender] = CRTable[sender] or {} didn't work |
| 02:59.21 | NorxMAL | oh, now it works? |
| 02:59.49 | Mr_Rabies | there's very little ingame info on how much of anything works with the pet battles |
| 03:00.06 | Mr_Rabies | and the wowpedia page is sorta lacking |
| 03:00.24 | Grivvel | Mr_Rabies: Yeah, it's just a "challenge me again" thing for the trainers you got quests for on each continent |
| 03:01.22 | NorxMAL | I had to create CRTable first, then create CRTable[sender] :) |
| 03:01.36 | NorxMAL | Now it works fine :) |
| 03:01.37 | Grivvel | NoxMAL: CRTable = CRTable or {} creates a table (which you have to have before you can insert anything into it). CRTable[sender]... creates the table within the table (which you need before you can get a size of it) |
| 03:01.59 | NorxMAL | Thanks for the help again :) |
| 03:02.14 | NorxMAL | I hope you don't think I'm a troll, since I ask so much :P |
| 03:02.14 | Mr_Rabies | kinda sucks there's not a breadcrumb back to them daily or something, Grivvel :| |
| 03:02.48 | Grivvel | Mr_Rabies: Yeah :/ |
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| 03:06.06 | Eridius | NorxMAL: out of curiosity, what are you building? |
| 03:06.53 | NorxMAL | It's a secret :/ |
| 03:07.20 | NorxMAL | You guys would probably piece information together and figure out what I'm making soon xD |
| 03:07.46 | NorxMAL | Heck, I just gonna tell it. It's a doomsday device :P |
| 03:08.43 | Thunder_Child | Use it now |
| 03:09.00 | NorxMAL | It would only blow my leg off if I use it now :P |
| 03:09.28 | Thunder_Child | That would be a waste |
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| 03:18.47 | Grivvel | Hmm, has anyone considered making a gotour-type introduction to Lua? |
| 03:19.31 | bluworkcow | gotour ? |
| 03:19.37 | bluworkcow | is that like a type of dinosaur ? |
| 03:19.45 | bluworkcow | RAWWRRR is dinosaur for I love you! |
| 03:20.03 | Grivvel | http://tour.golang.org/ |
| 03:20.45 | bluworkcow | interesting |
| 03:20.53 | Grivvel | Basically a step-by-step tutorial with the ability to complete the excercises in your browser |
| 03:22.05 | Grivvel | Well, I suppose not entirely step-by-step since it's aimed at people who can already program in other languages, but close enough |
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| 03:37.28 | smcn | man, the boss at the end of the green fire scenario is rough |
| 03:38.34 | Ackis | turtle boss sucks |
| 03:45.04 | bluworkcow | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:45.13 | Ackis | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:45.21 | karl_w_w | ~smackis |
| 03:45.21 | purl | ACTION smacks Ackis. |
| 03:45.44 | bluworkcow | karl_w_wBoss sucks |
| 03:47.25 | karl_w_w | wut? |
| 03:47.34 | NorxMAL | I'm trying to change the text of a button with this "sender .. i:SetText(word)" but it doesn't work. Is there some other way? |
| 03:48.47 | Eridius | NorxMAL: what exactly are you expecting that to do? |
| 03:48.57 | Eridius | you're trying to concatenate `sender` with the results of a call to SetText()? |
| 03:49.25 | NorxMAL | I want it to change the button MrMan3:SetText("newtext") |
| 03:49.40 | Eridius | you have a button named MrMan3? |
| 03:49.44 | Eridius | why do you have a button named MrMan3? |
| 03:49.49 | NorxMAL | It was just a example :P |
| 03:49.56 | NorxMAL | It would exist then |
| 03:49.57 | Eridius | NorxMAL: it's a confusing example. Is this a global? |
| 03:50.12 | Eridius | when you say "named" you're specifying how to access the button. The way you're talking about it now it sounds like a global |
| 03:50.18 | NorxMAL | If it tries to set a new text on a button, the button exists |
| 03:50.43 | NorxMAL | it's a button frame, is that global? |
| 03:50.52 | Eridius | NorxMAL: can be. Doesn't have to be |
| 03:51.08 | Eridius | if you pass a string as the 2nd parameter to CreateFrame() then yes, you've created a global with that name |
| 03:51.16 | Eridius | but in most cases that's not a good idea |
| 03:51.23 | Eridius | because you don't usually want to create globals |
| 03:51.45 | NorxMAL | okay |
| 03:51.48 | Eridius | assuming you pass `nil` as the 2nd param, where you keep a reference to the button is entirely up to you |
| 03:52.02 | Eridius | you could keep it in a table CRButtons[sender] = CreateFrame("Button", nil, UIParent) or somesuch |
| 03:52.12 | NorxMAL | ahh, so that is why I have seen nil in some other people codes! |
| 03:53.08 | NorxMAL | Why don't I want it global, if they have unique names? |
| 03:56.20 | Eridius | NorxMAL: because you're only hoping they're unique |
| 03:56.34 | Eridius | especially if you didn't bother to put your addon name into the global name, then it's more likely that you'll use the same name someone else does |
| 03:56.42 | Eridius | unique within your addon != unique within all addons |
| 03:57.29 | Eridius | the simple rule of thumb is, don't make anything global unless it absolutely has to be |
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| 03:57.44 | Eridius | "has to be" could mean 1) you deliberately want to expose it to other addons (and not via some mechanism like AceAddon-3.0 or LibStub) |
| 03:58.06 | Eridius | or 2) it needs to have a name to work properly, e.g. a frame that inherits from GameTooltip needs a name |
| 03:58.35 | Eridius | or 3) you want to make it global for some other random reason, e.g. you want to be able to access the object from macros or something |
| 03:58.45 | Eridius | if you do make it global, give it a unique prefix, which is typically your addon's name |
| 03:59.03 | NorxMAL | I will :) |
| 03:59.05 | Eridius | oh, 4) it's a SavedVariable. Unfortunately these need to be global |
| 04:00.59 | Eridius | I really wish Blizz gave a debuff to the target of my Storm, Earth, and Fire |
| 04:01.39 | karl_w_w | storm, earth, and fire, heed my call! |
| 04:03.27 | NorxMAL | Server shutdown :( |
| 04:04.53 | Eridius | oh hell yes, spirits are accessible as totems! |
| 04:04.54 | Stanzilla | Eridius: you were working on skada to assign guardians to their proper owners, right? |
| 04:05.06 | Eridius | Stanzilla: I did that last night. Trivial fix |
| 04:05.15 | Eridius | I just removed the `not UnitIsPlayer(action.playername)` test |
| 04:05.18 | Stanzilla | did you fix all of them or only the new ones? |
| 04:05.27 | Eridius | Stanzilla: that should fix all guardians who had a name identical to a player |
| 04:05.30 | Stanzilla | new ones being that monk talent |
| 04:05.40 | Stanzilla | ah ok |
| 04:05.48 | Stanzilla | so stuff like that paladin hammer is probably still broken |
| 04:05.55 | Eridius | I don't know anything about the paladin hammer |
| 04:06.14 | Stanzilla | it shows up as a player |
| 04:06.32 | Eridius | a player with what name? |
| 04:06.44 | Stanzilla | name of the ability iirc |
| 04:06.48 | Eridius | hrm |
| 04:06.50 | Stanzilla | goign to wowhead because I forgot the name |
| 04:06.55 | Eridius | if the playerflags contains COMBATLOG_OBJECT_TYPE_GUARDIAN then it'll be merged with the player it belongs to |
| 04:07.18 | Eridius | well that's actually not true. It'll be merged with the player of the name of the ability |
| 04:07.21 | Eridius | I think |
| 04:07.29 | Eridius | which works for spirits |
| 04:07.52 | Stanzilla | http://www.wowhead.com/spell=114158#comments |
| 04:07.54 | Stanzilla | this thing |
| 04:07.57 | Eridius | ok, it'll be merged with the entry that matches srcName |
| 04:08.18 | Eridius | hrm |
| 04:09.25 | Eridius | ok, one final repharsing. For _your own_ guardians it'll be modified to have the name and GUID of the player. For everyone else it just has its playerid modified to be equal to the playername |
| 04:09.33 | Eridius | which makes me wonder why it seems to still handle guardians properly for other monks |
| 04:09.47 | bluworkcow | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:09.52 | Eridius | unless.. maybe there were two identical entries for the player and I didn't pay attenteion last night |
| 04:09.54 | Eridius | I bet that's it |
| 04:09.55 | bluworkcow | *noms karl_w_w* |
| 04:10.16 | Eridius | Stanzilla: so the basic problem is _other people's_ guardians won't be merged with them. Is that your light's hammer issue, or does that affect your own hammer too? |
| 04:10.41 | Eridius | I bet this could be fixed by watching for SPELL_SUMMON events |
| 04:10.52 | Stanzilla | Eridius: I think it did for my own hammer too, but I can't test atm :( |
| 04:10.55 | Eridius | assuming that triggers for arbitrary guardians. I only noticed it triggering for my spirit just now, but that's apparently a totem |
| 04:14.59 | karl_w_w | stop eroding me bluworkcow :( |
| 04:15.35 | bluworkcow | ok |
| 04:15.45 | bluworkcow | *nibbles karl_w_w's hair* |
| 04:17.54 | NorxMAL | Where can I find information about server merging? |
| 04:18.42 | NorxMAL | I think they are merging servers here |
| 04:19.20 | NorxMAL | Got error "Transfer Aborted: instance not found" and second later it says Cross realm shutdown in 3 min |
| 04:19.46 | Mr_Rabies | check your region's battle.net forum about anything like that |
| 04:19.49 | kd3 | that's just serverside issues |
| 04:20.03 | Mr_Rabies | as far as i know, blizzard NA or EU aren't gonna merge servers anytime soon, though |
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| 04:50.27 | Torhal | slaps bluworkcow around a bit with Ackis. |
| 04:51.37 | bluworkcow | WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |
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| 05:17.11 | karl_w_w | 4 way S&M is what it's all about |
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| 05:49.32 | Neffi | poor kitty http://imgur.com/gallery/CN5kQlF |
| 06:07.02 | Torhal | I blame Cairenn. |
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| 06:32.52 | Eridius | Torhal: your LibQTip change had a minor conflict with mine (just whitespace) so I pushed a new version of my changes to my repo |
| 06:43.17 | Torhal | Eridius: Yah, I have IntelliJ set to strip all trailing whitespace on save. |
| 06:44.57 | Eridius | Torhal: actually the issue was you added a newline in the same spot I added a line of code :P |
| 06:45.17 | Eridius | I hate trailing whitespace too, I just manually strip it |
| 06:45.22 | Torhal | Eridius: And this is why Subversion makes me cry. |
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| 08:11.58 | bluworkcow | *chortle* |
| 08:12.16 | bluworkcow | one of our data entry systems has an "unknow |
| 08:12.25 | bluworkcow | n" choice for the gender of a dog |
| 08:12.28 | bluworkcow | LOL |
| 08:15.57 | bluworkcow | pretty easy to tell the gender of a dog lol |
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| 09:02.27 | bluworkcow | I goes homes nows |
| 09:02.31 | bluworkcow | *poof* |
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| 09:05.54 | bleeter | shopped? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BE0ZT6XCYAAuXYH.jpg:large |
| 09:06.19 | Kalroth | nope |
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| 09:20.34 | zenzio | " |
| 09:20.34 | zenzio | Is there any nice looking terminal with more features and sexy looks than putty? I find it very boring. |
| 09:20.34 | zenzio | " |
| 09:20.44 | Kalroth | >< |
| 09:20.47 | zenzio | oh FFS, why can't Firefox stop opying invisible newlines |
| 09:20.52 | Kalroth | let me guess, a mac user! |
| 09:20.53 | zenzio | copying too |
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| 09:50.12 | bleeter | (12:51:46 PM) bloodycoat: windows 8 is like linux, unusable as heck |
| 09:51.08 | zenzio | solid argument |
| 09:55.54 | haste | windows 8 isn't too bad when you get a start-menu :P |
| 09:56.21 | haste | not that I use it for anything else than gaming |
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| 10:14.22 | Neffi_ | Kernels are kind of hard to use |
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| 10:24.42 | nebula169 | the only thing i dislike about the windows 8 metro start thingy is you have win+q/win+f to toggle between settings/file searchs, but win+q doesn't move back to apps |
| 10:24.59 | karl_w_w | that's like the oldest ticket in the world bleeter |
| 10:31.23 | karl_w_w | im dreading the day i need to move to win 8 |
| 10:31.47 | karl_w_w | it's just going to be ass |
| 10:34.24 | kullervo | bleeter: but at least linux is very good at specific tasks |
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| 10:48.17 | bleeter | Neffi_++ |
| 10:48.50 | Neffi_ | Linux is good at anything. You just got wait until the support matures. |
| 10:48.52 | Neffi_ | =) |
| 10:49.38 | Neffi_ | I think Windows seems better at a lot of tasks because it's either, supports there or its not. Linux seems to half-ass some things because particular groups implement partial support and never flesh it (or its frontend) out |
| 10:50.45 | Kalroth | Windows got better desktop support because that's where the money is |
| 10:51.06 | Neffi_ | I see Windows as the OS for desktops, offices, schools and those types of things |
| 10:51.29 | Neffi_ | I see Linux as the OS for systems and people who work on the systems |
| 10:51.50 | wereHamster | where does Mac OS X fit into your picture? |
| 10:52.03 | Neffi_ | But just as people use Windows for server, people use Linux for desktops. I like it better personally, but I'll admit the desktop ecosystem just isn't as mature. |
| 10:52.12 | Neffi_ | The people who like overly flashy shit |
| 10:57.52 | bleeter | Neffi_: on the subject of which, I discovered today that the OpenDocument reader for Android got a bit of help from the biggest indie Aussie winery, 'coz they're a FLOSS shop and needed some features implemented |
| 10:58.31 | Neffi_ | There's so many stories like that out there |
| 10:58.31 | bleeter | Neffi_: so yeah, I get what you're saying. Just many shops tend to be lazy and will buy in and have an external support contract rather than develop and maintain |
| 10:58.40 | Neffi_ | It's why I continue to love and support FOSS in principle |
| 10:58.58 | bleeter | then they all stand around bitching when the support contract costs blow out because they didn't think of situation X when it was drawn up |
| 10:59.23 | Neffi_ | When something's important, it will get done and quick because people need it. When something's frivolous, that's not the case |
| 10:59.43 | bleeter | that being said, I do like the balls of the oracle guys being able to convince folks it's otherwise and still do it :D |
| 11:00.10 | Neffi_ | IMO you're more likely to get a well-built DE finished by a student with way too much free time and no social life than by a full-time developer working on other parts of the system also |
| 11:01.08 | Neffi_ | Hell half of my favorite Linux programs were written largely by one guy and released through his shitty website complete with a donation button |
| 11:01.16 | bleeter | yar, you can get students into FLOSS at a pretty early highschool age. THey can carry a project all the way through college. |
| 11:02.15 | Neffi_ | I think people who get into programming by way of FOSS end up as better programmers than those who go into the career because they think it's cool or want the money and never touch much of it |
| 11:02.25 | Neffi_ | it=FOSS |
| 11:03.20 | Neffi_ | And I have a lot of respect for companies that support it. Either by consistently releasing code as FOSS or by choosing to fund projects with their IT bill over buying the proprietary competition. |
| 11:04.04 | bleeter | same, as well as the companies that let staff do FLOSS projects in their downtime. Which is why, despite some FLOSS dev's approach to Blizz, I admire them ;) |
| 11:05.03 | Neffi_ | oh god |
| 11:05.43 | Neffi_ | some troll put a well disguised crease in this $100 bill that was worn enough to ensure it would tear upon handling |
| 11:06.12 | bleeter | lol paper money :P |
| 11:06.36 | bleeter | is in one of those heathen plastic note countries |
| 11:06.38 | Neffi_ | murrica |
| 11:06.52 | Neffi_ | We have those. They're called credit cards. |
| 11:07.00 | Neffi_ | ;) |
| 11:07.22 | karl_w_w | what we should do is require people to work on some established FOSS projects as part of their education :P |
| 11:08.02 | Neffi_ | Most of the students in my classes, I want as far away from production code as possible |
| 11:08.11 | Neffi_ | The ones I trust, already do work on projects |
| 11:08.11 | bleeter | probably easier to get places to swithc to obscure spoken languages that APPL and MS won't translate product for ;) |
| 11:09.07 | Neffi_ | IMO seeking out FOSS projects is the kind of personal ambission and passion that separates the real future software engineers from the kids going into it because they hear it pays well or they want to h4x stuff |
| 11:09.36 | Neffi_ | If every student was mandated FOSS stuff to do, resumes would be that much less distinguished |
| 11:09.42 | bleeter | I miss the days of the 'ready' prompt where you really did have to learn stuff other than point & click |
| 11:11.00 | bleeter | but afaict our policy makers are running around saying how shiny and lickable their APPL fondleslab is to think of the educational consequences |
| 11:11.51 | Neffi_ | Never trust people who dont know about computers, to make any sort of rational decision about them |
| 11:12.12 | Neffi_ | When I tell people I'm in a BS comp sci program, the first question is whether or not I can hack |
| 11:12.20 | Neffi_ | The second is how smart I must be to understand all that stuff |
| 11:12.29 | Neffi_ | It's indistinguishable from magic to most people |
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| 11:12.58 | Neffi_ | Which sucks because there's a lot of people that'd be brilliant with it, if they didn't get the idea that it was so arcane and unapproachable |
| 11:13.14 | bleeter | Neffi_: http://users.on.net/~bleeter/pix/sysadmin.png |
| 11:13.43 | Neffi_ | lol |
| 11:13.48 | Neffi_ | time for a cigarette m'self |
| 11:20.47 | Neffi_ | 5 hour long class today. Any app/game recommendations for my new S3? |
| 11:23.41 | bluspacecow | infinity blade |
| 11:23.52 | bleeter | Sim City! |
| 11:23.54 | bleeter | ducks |
| 11:23.59 | bluspacecow | The Room |
| 11:24.41 | Neffi_ | paid apps are fine too, but nothing too ridiculous |
| 11:25.36 | Neffi_ | I see no Sim City. Is there an official one, or a good ripoff? |
| 11:25.55 | bleeter | nah I was taking the piss 'coz of their server overload problems |
| 11:25.55 | bluspacecow | wait S3's android amirite |
| 11:26.09 | Neffi_ | yup |
| 11:26.12 | bleeter | bluspacecow: yar, samsung G3 is what Neffi_ means, I think |
| 11:26.21 | Neffi_ | Galaxy S 3, yes. |
| 11:26.22 | bluspacecow | Minecraft Portable ? |
| 11:26.33 | Neffi_ | I refuse to get into Minecraft |
| 11:27.03 | bleeter | FLOSS supporter and refuses to Minecraft? I think I'm in love! ;) |
| 11:27.09 | Neffi_ | lol |
| 11:27.36 | Neffi_ | I'll either waste too much time on it, or decide it wasnt worth what I paid |
| 11:27.53 | bleeter | I'd swing between the two extremes, as I do with WoW |
| 11:28.01 | Neffi_ | aye |
| 11:28.41 | Neffi_ | At least with WoW I can say "another fucking nerf? fuck this I'm playing Skyrim". And then get kicked off my friend's PS3 and get actual schoolwork done. |
| 11:29.19 | Neffi_ | Part of the reason I stil havent bought a PC controller. I'd play too much Skyrim. |
| 11:32.45 | bleeter | swoons |
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| 11:43.58 | Corv | So, hey. Dropdowns with more than 8 buttons cause taint? That's, uh, cool. |
| 11:45.09 | Kalroth | read up on good UI, dropdowns should never have more than 8 elements! |
| 11:45.44 | Corv | ...okay, that's a good point I hadn't really considered. |
| 11:46.02 | Kalroth | :P |
| 11:46.23 | Kalroth | im not surprised that there are taint issues with dropdowns though :) |
| 11:46.30 | Corv | Shocker, right? |
| 11:46.55 | Corv | Of course, that puts me between a rock and a hard place. |
| 11:47.08 | Corv | The reason I have a dropdown like that was because I was avoiding a horizontal scrollbar. |
| 11:48.30 | Kalroth | reduce the choices, use a smaller font or regroup it to something like a radiobutton/checkbutton group |
| 11:48.58 | Torhal | Hrm. I thought they fixed that…or maybe it was just secure actions like setting focus... |
| 11:49.55 | Corv | Torhal: I'm not sure it's that, honestly, but my dropdown is causing taint and I'm seeing a recent complaint about it |
| 11:50.33 | Corv | Kalroth: It's a spreadsheet view, cross-character currency tracker. Was using the dropdown to have the user select the currencies they were interested in. |
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| 11:51.10 | Kalroth | hrm, yeah |
| 11:51.47 | Kalroth | maybe as tabs instead? only show currencies with an amount |
| 11:51.49 | Kalroth | or something |
| 11:52.00 | Corv | Character names go on the vertical axis, because lengthy text. Column titles are just icons, but numbers take space. |
| 11:52.27 | Kalroth | ah |
| 11:53.36 | Corv | http://i.imgur.com/zzulElG.jpg |
| 11:53.38 | Corv | Current state. |
| 11:54.31 | Corv | (yellow number = weekly cap, red number = total cap. Cells for currencies w/caps show those values on mouseover) |
| 11:56.23 | Kalroth | maybe you could make it more dynamic, show the 5 most used/relevant currencies, with a button to load or toggle the remaining |
| 11:56.33 | Kalroth | so by default there's no scrollbar |
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| 11:57.22 | Corv | If I recall myself correctly, it'll default to the first six on the list if the user hasn't chosen for themselves. |
| 11:57.49 | Corv | But, by "button to load", you mean, OnClick->show all with scrollbar? |
| 11:58.30 | Kalroth | something like that, yeah |
| 11:58.38 | Kalroth | you got a + button to open the dropdown already |
| 11:58.53 | Kalroth | just an idea, dunno how it'd work :) |
| 11:59.31 | Corv | I like the idea... hit that to show them all, and then I'd *really* like drag-n-drop reordering of the columns so that the first x are the ones that remain after you hit [-] (the button changed label after you clicked) |
| 12:00.48 | Corv | Or maybe, for the sake of my sanity, just right-click a column head to send-to-front. |
| 12:00.57 | Corv | That's a world easier than DnD. |
| 12:01.46 | Kalroth | haha |
| 12:03.24 | Corv | I think that's a workable design. Thanks for the input =) |
| 12:03.49 | Kalroth | Sorry for ruining your day! |
| 12:04.38 | Corv | Heh, no, that's probably about the best I can ask for. I didn't want the scrollbar from the start. I didn't like my current solution (arbitrary limit of 6 columns). |
| 12:04.47 | Corv | And the dropdown size hadn't even entered my head. |
| 12:05.04 | Corv | This sounds like a reasonable compromise. |
| 12:05.07 | Corv | Plus, no taint. |
| 12:13.27 | Neffi_ | Torhal: Check the 5.1 notes (or was it 5.0?). They didnt fix DropDown taint. They just added an additional secure attribute named "unitmenu" or something, which would invoke a unit menu in a secure way. |
| 12:13.32 | Neffi_ | I guess fixing the taint was too much |
| 12:16.58 | Torhal | Neffi_: Yah, that's what I said: they either fixed taint or secure actions. :D |
| 12:17.24 | Neffi_ | It's a workaround, not a fix |
| 12:17.36 | Neffi_ | What we need is for somebody to make a dropdown menu lib |
| 12:17.55 | Neffi_ | But last time that happened, it got overused to the point that configurating addons was a hassle |
| 12:18.08 | Neffi_ | s/configurating/configuring/ |
| 12:18.18 | Neffi_ | I should probably sleep once in a while |
| 12:19.40 | Adys | nevcairiel: ping |
| 12:22.58 | Fisker | hey Adys |
| 12:23.02 | Adys | hiiii |
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| 12:52.14 | znf | So... whispering someone "|_|r3" trough b.net crashes their client (and yours) |
| 12:52.47 | znf | and Fisker just banned me for that :( |
| 12:53.37 | Kalroth | he's an asshole |
| 12:54.37 | znf | Yes he is :( |
| 12:54.54 | Fisker | i reported you too |
| 12:55.10 | Kalroth | reported |
| 12:55.29 | karl_w_w | what's a good term for a less learnt from history? |
| 12:55.33 | karl_w_w | lesson* |
| 12:55.40 | znf | Fisker, y u mean? |
| 12:56.00 | karl_w_w | I know there must be a word for it |
| 12:56.17 | Kalroth | winners write history, not reality |
| 12:56.50 | karl_w_w | not sure how that's relevant :D |
| 12:57.05 | Kalroth | Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it! |
| 12:57.15 | Fisker | i'm not mean znf |
| 12:57.37 | znf | Fisker, art thou mad? :( |
| 12:57.38 | Kalroth | karl_w_w: experience |
| 12:57.41 | Fisker | not at all |
| 12:58.05 | Kalroth | chronicle? |
| 12:58.10 | karl_w_w | yeah I guess that'll do |
| 12:58.13 | znf | you're mad :( |
| 12:58.27 | Fisker | not even a little |
| 12:58.37 | znf | Fisker, if it makes you feel better, it crashed my client, too! |
| 12:58.40 | Kalroth | Fisker is always happy |
| 12:58.47 | karl_w_w | no tv and no beer make homer something something |
| 12:59.01 | Kalroth | znf: did he really ban you |
| 12:59.12 | znf | Kalroth, yes :( |
| 12:59.18 | znf | telling you, he's mad |
| 12:59.39 | Kalroth | ya, that's pretty mad |
| 12:59.43 | Fisker | not really |
| 12:59.50 | Fisker | if i were mad i would use the exploit against you |
| 12:59.56 | Fisker | because i know how to use it without crashing myself |
| 12:59.59 | Kalroth | denial means he's mad |
| 13:00.09 | Fisker | not at all |
| 13:00.26 | Kalroth | it's like when Hitler said he didn't care of russians were winning |
| 13:00.29 | Kalroth | if* |
| 13:00.49 | znf | Fisker, yes, I can use it without crashing myself, too... it was just a test |
| 13:01.13 | Fisker | i'm sure it was |
| 13:01.38 | Kalroth | it was an accident and he apologizes, can you please forgive him, Fisker |
| 13:01.49 | Fisker | i'm testing if the report functionality for people doing Denial of Service-attacks is working |
| 13:02.06 | znf | I'm not apologizing! O.O |
| 13:09.28 | Kalroth | oh |
| 13:09.41 | Kalroth | it seems like we cannot resolve this situation |
| 13:09.52 | Kalroth | znf is acting like north korea! |
| 13:11.27 | karl_w_w | north korea confuses me |
| 13:11.40 | karl_w_w | why can't they just be nice like south korea |
| 13:12.07 | Kalroth | south korea is america capitalist puppet pig which is against good and honest things |
| 13:13.30 | bluspacecow | your special |
| 13:13.40 | bluspacecow | >_> |
| 13:13.46 | bluspacecow | forgot to scroll up |
| 13:13.49 | bluspacecow | that was @ Fisker |
| 13:14.37 | karl_w_w | http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/09/world/asia/north-korea-sanctions.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 this cannot be good |
| 13:15.00 | karl_w_w | if i die in nuclear fallout before i finally get my nexus 4 I am gonna be PISSED |
| 13:15.58 | Fisker | you're* |
| 13:16.38 | karl_w_w | they nullified non-aggression with south korea? imo we should just roll in there and blow them all up |
| 13:16.48 | karl_w_w | well, not all |
| 13:16.54 | karl_w_w | the guys at the top |
| 13:18.12 | karl_w_w | they have basically said "we will shoot first", and our guys say "they probably can't do it yet" |
| 13:18.19 | karl_w_w | so what, we're just waiting until they can? |
| 13:23.33 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:35.57 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
| 13:36.09 | bluspacecow | POPTART! |
| 13:36.17 | Lopeppeppy | Roadrunner!!! |
| 13:36.27 | bluspacecow | *transforms into a Poptart and jumps into Fiser's Toaster* |
| 13:36.37 | Lopeppeppy | Is that a euphamism for something? |
| 13:36.46 | bluspacecow | hai2u |
| 13:36.53 | bluspacecow | hungry ? |
| 13:38.25 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 13:38.28 | Fisker | nope bluspacecow |
| 13:38.37 | bluspacecow | oh ok |
| 13:44.01 | karl_w_w | http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/mall-siege-terror-in-queen-st-brisbane/story-e6freon6-1226593569433 |
| 13:44.01 | karl_w_w | today in shocking news: the courier mail reveals that it has no idea what the word "siege" means! |
| 13:45.51 | karl_w_w | by-line: other news limited publications follow suit |
| 13:48.05 | bluBouncyCastle | come jump on me Lopeppeppy ! |
| 13:51.05 | Lopeppeppy | Er. Um.... I don't know if I'm tall enough to ride that ride, Blueberry. *laugh* |
| 13:51.56 | bluBouncyCastle | is ok! |
| 13:52.06 | bluBouncyCastle | *straps polio shoes onto Peppy* |
| 13:52.56 | Lopeppeppy | You're giving me polio? Meep. |
| 13:56.47 | foxlit | gah, cloud serpents |
| 13:57.53 | foxlit | indistinguishable from normal mounts, yet require an additional skill. |
| 14:01.38 | karl_w_w | hey bluBouncyCastle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swindle_%28chess%29#Surprise_mating_attack ? |
| 14:03.39 | bluBouncyCastle | lol |
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| 14:08.57 | karl_w_w | that should be a question on QI, "what is a surprise mating attack?" |
| 14:09.13 | karl_w_w | and alan davies can say rape and get buzzed |
| 14:09.17 | karl_w_w | plans it all out |
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| 14:20.52 | bluBouncyCastle | >_> |
| 14:20.54 | bluBouncyCastle | <_< |
| 14:20.59 | wereHamster | what next game is blizz working on now? |
| 14:21.09 | bluBouncyCastle | *surprise mating attack on sintAcks* |
| 14:26.02 | Lopeppeppy | Meeep. |
| 14:27.07 | karl_w_w | wereHamster: new IP or sequel-style? |
| 14:28.56 | wereHamster | They released D3 a while ago, S2 is out, and WoW is getting quite old. Are they not working on something new? I don't believe that they are just maintaining what they have out now. |
| 14:29.25 | karl_w_w | they have been been making something called Titan for the last million years or something |
| 14:29.35 | karl_w_w | we don't know anything about it |
| 14:29.45 | bluBouncyCastle | Bejewelled Clone! |
| 14:29.53 | bluBouncyCastle | either that or Suduku |
| 14:29.55 | karl_w_w | I reckon it will be announced at next blizzcon |
| 14:30.08 | karl_w_w | there is a SC2 expac out soon |
| 14:30.49 | karl_w_w | next week in fact |
| 14:31.08 | wereHamster | is blizzcon next week? |
| 14:31.21 | karl_w_w | no |
| 14:31.27 | wereHamster | ah, that SC2 thingy |
| 14:31.30 | karl_w_w | november-or-something |
| 14:31.46 | karl_w_w | there will be a d3 expac as well |
| 14:32.00 | karl_w_w | and another of the perpetual wow expacs |
| 14:32.18 | karl_w_w | still waits for war4 |
| 14:34.05 | karl_w_w | what we need is an updated leaked product slate :P |
| 14:37.02 | bluBouncyCastle | [ BADLY DRAWN PRODUCT SLATE ] |
| 14:38.40 | bluBouncyCastle | i did it with crayon! |
| 14:38.42 | bluBouncyCastle | u like! |
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| 14:40.44 | Lopeppeppy | Sexy. |
| 14:40.59 | karl_w_w | best slate ever |
| 14:44.19 | zenzio | "Is there a constant for “end of time”?" -- "Store your times as a 64 bits IEE754 double precision floating point number, and you can use +INF" |
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| 15:00.58 | zenzio | I love when the nameservers for one of your domains goes down right before the end of the day... and you're not in control of said nameservers |
| 15:01.17 | zenzio | end of the work day |
| 15:02.03 | karl_w_w | do I detect sarcasm zenzio? |
| 15:02.13 | zenzio | yes :( |
| 15:03.09 | karl_w_w | oh boy I'm 1 for 2 today! |
| 15:03.58 | karl_w_w | in unrelated news, I find it endlessly depressing that a patch has landed and there's no 'easy gear' to be had |
| 15:04.18 | zenzio | thankfully (?) their own website also does not resolve |
| 15:05.18 | karl_w_w | "This is an advisory that a new movie, Olympus Has Fallen, to be released this month, uses actual EAS tones in the movie trailer. If the trailer is used in radio or TV advertisements, the stations may be subject to FCC fine." |
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| 15:11.32 | karl_w_w | i was just half way through winning my daily darkmoon faire pet battle when it abruptly ended and said "internal pet battle error" |
| 15:11.54 | karl_w_w | now when i try to start it again there is a ~5s delay before it says "unable to create pet battle" |
| 15:12.04 | karl_w_w | the game is scared of my supremacy? |
| 15:13.27 | Kraps | https://twitter.com/AdamHolisky/status/309925647352999936 Retweeted by World of Warcraft |
| 15:14.28 | Ressy | lawlz.. :) |
| 15:14.41 | Ressy | really goes to show what people think of EA huh |
| 15:15.45 | Ressy | Blizz's CS can be poor at times, but never to the point of telling people they could get refunds, then when you ask for one, outright refusing it. |
| 15:16.54 | Fisker | Blizzard's CS is poor |
| 15:17.18 | Fisker | atleast with EA CS you can get free stuff |
| 15:17.33 | Fisker | but on the flip side Blizzard CS can relate to you |
| 15:18.05 | karl_w_w | I was once related to a guy |
| 15:20.56 | Dagmar | Really... |
| 15:21.18 | Dagmar | Because I spent over four hours on the phone with various CS reps for EA and wasn't even able to regain access to the stuff I'd bought. |
| 15:22.14 | Fisker | exactly |
| 15:22.20 | Fisker | but atleast they give you free stuff |
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| 15:35.39 | Lopeppeppy | pouncerates on Unkle. |
| 15:36.14 | Unkle | is pouncreated. |
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| 16:03.30 | TC-work | http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1584821767/civitas-plan-develop-and-manage-the-city-of-your-d heh, debacles bring out the best in people |
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| 16:40.42 | Unkle | Damn it Java - http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/03/thanks-oracle-new-java-malware-protection-undone-by-old-school-attack/ |
| 16:43.33 | TC-work | In response to our confluence site "This this is as well laid out as a hammered blind quadriplegic drawing straight lines with a pencil between his teeth" |
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| 16:49.02 | Nimhfree | Does anyone know if there is a convenient way to determine if a faction has been encountered? I have looked at GetFactionInfoByID() and it does not seem to return anything of use in this regard. At the moment I can only think of iterating through GetFactionInfo() calls to determine if the one I seek is present. |
| 16:50.50 | Dagmar | being that they don't always seem to show up until you meet them, that's probably reasonable. |
| 16:52.39 | Semlar | i had to write a way to get it from the tooltip |
| 16:56.01 | Semlar | it was annoying because the line it's on can change and i'm not sure about all of the variations |
| 16:57.04 | TC-work | Stop being such a bad Semlar, and test for EVERYTHING |
| 16:57.25 | Semlar | :( |
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| 16:59.46 | karl_w_w | I once tested for Semlar but it came back negative |
| 17:00.25 | Semlar | it's important to catch that early |
| 17:01.49 | TC-work | I caught it once....But it was catch and release so i had to let it go. |
| 17:02.38 | NorxMAL | lol |
| 17:06.46 | Semlar | you can't create a second WorldFrame right |
| 17:07.07 | NorxMAL | You can start another instance of wow? :P |
| 17:07.23 | NorxMAL | Sorry, tried to be funny :/ |
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| 17:08.32 | karl_w_w | you can do what you like Semlar |
| 17:08.46 | karl_w_w | u can parent uiparent to the map frame if u like |
| 17:08.59 | Semlar | you can't stop me! |
| 17:09.13 | Semlar | i'll do it! |
| 17:10.47 | Unkle | have fun storming the castle. |
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| 17:36.48 | Semlar | does anyone know how i can find the spell id of the disorient this applies http://www.wowhead.com/spell=123394 |
| 17:54.02 | Maldivia | try it |
| 17:54.25 | Semlar | i don't have it, i'm trying to make a list of abilities that players can use to interrupt |
| 17:56.14 | Semlar | the first time i did this it was a lot easier to look up uncategorized spells on wowhead |
| 17:56.15 | Maldivia | doesn't it just modify the dizzying haze debuff? |
| 17:56.35 | Semlar | it very likely changes the spell id |
| 17:56.51 | Semlar | i don't even know if their system is capable of modifying a spell without changing its id |
| 17:56.54 | Maldivia | if you look at http://www.wowhead.com/spell=115180 - it says that it's modified by the glyph |
| 17:56.59 | Stanzilla | @Ghostcrawler: Stampede lag issue *might* be related to using Recount / Skada with Ace. We're working to understand the issue more. Just FYI for now. |
| 17:57.04 | Stanzilla | get a clue, bro |
| 17:58.07 | Semlar | somewhere on wowhead there will be a spell that just has the "disoriented" aura effect from that glyph |
| 17:59.33 | Semlar | like this http://www.wowhead.com/spell=137460 is the silence effect from ring of peace, but wowhead has no indicator that they're connected |
| 18:00.16 | Semlar | the only reason i could find it was because it has ring of peace in the tooltip |
| 18:04.27 | Maldivia | hmm, don't know if the advanced search is still a part of wowdb's search, previously you could do search based on aura, effects etc |
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| 18:07.26 | Semlar | wowdb at least seems to be easier to search for uncategorized spells |
| 18:11.04 | Maldivia | spell id 123393 |
| 18:11.21 | Maldivia | might be that |
| 18:12.47 | Semlar | thanks |
| 18:13.36 | Semlar | it's pretty likely, it's only 1 spell id away from the glyph |
| 18:13.50 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 18:13.57 | Maldivia | and the same name as the ability that causes it |
| 18:14.01 | Maldivia | and has the confuse icon |
| 18:14.20 | Maldivia | or disoriented icon :P |
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| 18:24.09 | kullervo | gah, why's there STILL no proper addon for tracking brewmaster Stagger damage |
| 18:24.35 | Semlar | how does stagger work |
| 18:24.55 | kullervo | n% of incoming damage is converted into a DoT |
| 18:25.22 | Semlar | how do you want it displayed |
| 18:25.32 | Eridius | kullervo: I use a WeakAura string to track it |
| 18:25.34 | kullervo | BrewmasterTao does the trick but freezes and requires a reload if one zones while stagger is ticking |
| 18:25.43 | kullervo | Eridius: I don't wish to install and setup weakauras just for this one thing |
| 18:25.53 | Eridius | kullervo: WA rocks |
| 18:26.02 | kullervo | Eridius: I have close to a hundred POWAs |
| 18:26.15 | Eridius | I still have a couple of power auras lying around, but I've mostly transitioned over to WA at this point |
| 18:26.35 | Eridius | I just stopped writing new power auras and started writing weak auras, and as patches went by and I kept having to change things, the power auras slowly disappeared |
| 18:28.23 | kullervo | Semlar: http://kullervo.dy.fi/gallery/photos/Screenshots/World%20of%20Warcraft/WoWScrnShot_030413_185357.jpg yellow bar between the green ones |
| 18:28.50 | Semlar | that's from brewmaster tao? |
| 18:28.58 | kullervo | modified |
| 18:29.01 | kullervo | but yes |
| 18:30.05 | Semlar | it doesn't throw an error when your game locks up? |
| 18:30.26 | kullervo | Semlar: the game doesn't lock up, only the addon, visually |
| 18:30.36 | Semlar | ah |
| 18:30.47 | Eridius | kullervo: does getting a new stagger cause it to fix itself? |
| 18:31.11 | kullervo | was getting to that, new stagger would cause the old and new to overlap |
| 18:31.19 | Eridius | d'oh |
| 18:32.13 | Semlar | that's because they're calling Init() on player_entering_world |
| 18:32.25 | Semlar | which i'm pretty sure fires every time you see a loading screen |
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| 18:32.31 | kullervo | oh also, the addon by default doesn't show/hide properly either |
| 18:32.37 | Semlar | and it's creating another bar |
| 18:34.05 | Semlar | i'm assuming they only meant to cal this once |
| 18:34.07 | kullervo | I remember fixing another addon with similar functionality by hiding the frame on player_entering_world and it would update correctly when it was supposed to, but this is more complex and I'm not a programmer |
| 18:35.40 | Semlar | well |
| 18:35.45 | Semlar | under elseif event == "PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD" then |
| 18:36.03 | Semlar | you could try adding self:UnregisterEvent("PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD") |
| 18:36.46 | Semlar | that should stop it from calling the function again.. |
| 18:38.07 | Semlar | just add a line after the "then" and past that into it |
| 18:38.35 | ccox_ | 1 GB patch on a friday - must have been some really good bugs…. |
| 18:39.19 | Stanzilla | which game, ccox_ |
| 18:39.34 | ccox_ | Wow - and no patch notes visible |
| 18:39.40 | Stanzilla | O.o |
| 18:39.43 | karl_w_w | it was a 5mb patch for me |
| 18:39.44 | Stanzilla | and you already had 5.2? |
| 18:39.52 | ccox_ | yes, already had 5.2 |
| 18:39.54 | karl_w_w | some of your dataz must have been corrupted |
| 18:40.10 | ccox_ | or the mac client needed more patching |
| 18:40.16 | Stanzilla | must have been a tools update, didn't get a mail from Maldivia |
| 18:40.31 | karl_w_w | wow-0-16669-Win-final.MPQ 5,344 KB |
| 18:41.02 | Stanzilla | dafuq |
| 18:41.10 | Stanzilla | haha, mail just got in |
| 18:41.23 | karl_w_w | I once mailed a Stanzilla |
| 18:41.34 | Stanzilla | nice |
| 18:41.47 | Stanzilla | this also means that live is now newer than PTR |
| 18:41.55 | Stanzilla | because we had an old build before |
| 18:42.36 | ccox_ | wow-0-16669-OSX-final.MPQ 13.5 MB |
| 18:42.46 | bleeter | I admit, it was me who corrupted ccox_! |
| 18:42.53 | ccox_ | but the download was just over 1 Gig, so what else did it patch? |
| 18:43.06 | kd3 | I only got ~6MB |
| 18:43.12 | kd3 | it must've redownloaded an mpq for you |
| 18:43.18 | Maldivia | Stanzilla: heh :) |
| 18:43.38 | Maldivia | Stanzilla: I only check every 10 minutes :) |
| 18:44.02 | ccox_ | yep, 16516 MPQs were replaced |
| 18:44.08 | Stanzilla | Maldivia: :D |
| 18:44.36 | ccox_ | hmm, all of them were replaced - that's not corruption, but a bug fix on a bug fix :-) |
| 18:44.45 | kd3 | as this was just a client update I'm not sending out an email |
| 18:45.04 | Stanzilla | but I want one, kd3 :( |
| 18:45.14 | karl_w_w | I don't! |
| 18:45.15 | Maldivia | you got one from me :) |
| 18:46.33 | Stanzilla | need moar emailz |
| 18:46.48 | kd3 | that can be arranged. do you need male enhancement? |
| 18:47.00 | Stanzilla | no, female company, please |
| 18:47.11 | kd3 | skims his spam folder |
| 18:47.17 | karl_w_w | can you manually run the patch using the info in the updates file? |
| 18:47.17 | bleeter | Stanzilla needs a groinal attachment? |
| 18:47.22 | karl_w_w | cos it seems to be all in there |
| 18:47.23 | kd3 | ooh, mail-order brides. does that help? |
| 18:47.32 | Stanzilla | russian? |
| 18:47.35 | kd3 | ayup |
| 18:47.40 | Stanzilla | best! |
| 18:50.42 | Stanzilla | "downloading data for an upcoming patch" |
| 18:50.46 | Stanzilla | alright mr launcher |
| 18:55.10 | bleeter | Cairenn|afk: I don't expect you to be able to answer, but... do you have any idea who it I know who lives in Vancouver? |
| 18:57.27 | Cairenn|afk | If you mean Vancouver, BC, Canada - Esamynn|Away |
| 18:58.31 | Cairenn | bleeter: ^^ |
| 18:59.06 | bleeter | Cairenn: hmm, not sure if I was aware Esamynn|Away was in Vancouver. But thanks for the tip :) A really good friend of mine has moved there for a few years, geeky, thought I might try and make introductions for him :) |
| 18:59.18 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 18:59.37 | Cairenn | intros are good |
| 19:00.05 | bleeter | the sorta bloke one would always stop oneself in the street for a quick natter, even though we've never lived in the same town. ie, one of those disgustingly lovable people :) |
| 19:00.17 | Cairenn | :) |
| 19:03.34 | bleeter | wonder how hard it'd be for blizz to "if patchnotes != null display_patchnotes" 'coz it's pretty funny seeing tools patch and show no patchnotes. No doubt someone somehwere is going OMG HACKED! ;) |
| 19:05.39 | Stanzilla | omg hacked! |
| 19:07.42 | bleeter | http://users.on.net/~bleeter/pix/first_dog_hacked.jpg |
| 19:08.04 | bleeter | (First Dog is an aussie cartoonist, that's one of my fave pieces of his) |
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| 19:14.12 | ccox_ | wonders how hard it would be if patchnotes_str == NULL { show default_notes_str; } |
| 19:14.33 | ccox_ | or, you know, actually write patch notes for each patch |
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| 19:20.50 | TC-work | That's interesting, I seem to be 'the average gamer age' |
| 19:29.55 | foxlit | grumble, the GetCompanionInfo bitfield for mounts makes no sense. |
| 19:31.20 | Stanzilla | I heard there is a new opie build coming this weekend, foxlit |
| 19:31.23 | Stanzilla | is that true? |
| 19:32.06 | foxlit | Maybe. The whiteboard is looking rather populated at the moment. |
| 19:32.47 | TC-work | erases the whiteboard |
| 19:38.03 | foxlit | Violet Proto-Drake is 00111, Tyrael's Charger is 11111, Sea Turtle is 11101, Pandaren Kite is 00111, Onyx Cloud Serpent is 01111, Grand Gryphon is 11111, Abyssal Sea Horse is 01100, and a Yellow Quiraji Battle Tank is 11101 |
| 19:38.52 | Stanzilla | I heard you liek 1s |
| 19:39.33 | foxlit | The puzzle is this: which of these can be used on the thunder king isle (or anywhere you can't fly), and how that is reflected in the bitfield. |
| 19:40.33 | TC-work | Looks like anything that can fly starts with a 0? (Possibly underwater is considered flying) |
| 19:40.54 | TC-work | or can the sea turtle go underwater |
| 19:41.28 | foxlit | of those, tyrael's charger, sea turtle, grand gryphon can be summoned on isle of thunder. |
| 19:42.23 | Fisker | second last is flying then |
| 19:42.36 | foxlit | (Yellow Qiraji battle tank is understandably special) |
| 19:42.52 | TC-work | 1/0 as first seems to fit |
| 19:43.09 | Fisker | i think the first one might be swimming? |
| 19:43.17 | Fisker | or "not dismounted in water" |
| 19:43.49 | foxlit | hm, I need to find me some flyable water. |
| 19:44.17 | foxlit | From my limited collection of mounts, it seems like the first bit reflects whether it can be summoned in places you cannot fly. |
| 19:45.46 | Torhal | sells Fisker a Sony Walkman. |
| 19:47.11 | foxlit | "not dismounted in water" also works. |
| 19:51.34 | foxlit | Seems like I need to get me a Riding Turtle. For Science. |
| 19:51.36 | kd3 | meanwhile in canada: http://imgur.com/kwpjYwQ |
| 19:52.11 | nevcairiel | wah |
| 19:52.34 | nevcairiel | i wonder if that makes more sense to a canadian |
| 19:52.42 | Fisker | i got one foxlit |
| 19:54.02 | foxlit | /run for i=1,GetNumCompanions("MOUNT") do if select(3,GetCompanionInfo("MOUNT", i)) == 30174 then print(GetCompanionInfo("MOUNT", i), select(5, GetCompanionInfo("MOUNT", i))) end end --<< Fisker |
| 19:55.25 | Fisker | 17266 nil 29? |
| 19:56.24 | foxlit | so 11101. Can it jump? |
| 19:56.50 | Fisker | yep |
| 19:57.06 | foxlit | so the api documentation is wrong. Thanks :) |
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| 19:57.43 | Fisker | can any mount not jump? :o |
| 19:57.52 | nevcairiel | flying mounts can't jump |
| 19:57.54 | Fisker | oh well i guess the cloud serpents and stuff can't |
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| 19:58.03 | Fisker | dome can |
| 19:58.05 | nevcairiel | they start flying |
| 19:58.05 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 19:58.26 | Fisker | some flying mounts work in land only zones? |
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| 19:58.47 | nevcairiel | they are not a flying mount in that moment then |
| 20:00.28 | Fisker | are pets any less of a pain to level these days? |
| 20:00.48 | nevcairiel | i heard doing pet-pvp makes leveling easy |
| 20:00.56 | nevcairiel | not that i've tried |
| 20:01.55 | Fisker | so nevcairiel |
| 20:01.57 | Fisker | i just heard |
| 20:02.18 | Fisker | Apple apparently didn't want to provide infos during that "omg apple and google tracks your phone"-thingy a few years back |
| 20:02.24 | Fisker | can you ban apple products in germany then? |
| 20:05.31 | bleeter | any linux users who got left out of your raid? SteamLUG wants you now for TF2 goodness! ;) http://steamcommunity.com/groups/steamlug/events/1298431274647178464 |
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| 21:01.50 | Ressy | 5.2.0a released |
| 21:02.04 | kd3 | more than just the client patch? |
| 21:02.06 | Ressy | People were kicked off servers 20 mins ago to apply it. |
| 21:02.32 | Fisker | hopefully that fixed znf being a dick |
| 21:02.33 | Ressy | client patch to fix the issue where jerks could crash others' game clients. |
| 21:02.38 | Fisker | good |
| 21:02.46 | Fisker | hope they ban people for it though |
| 21:02.51 | znf | whispers |_|r3 to Fisker |
| 21:02.57 | Fisker | mad znf ? |
| 21:03.05 | znf | why would I be? |
| 21:03.09 | Fisker | you're getting banned |
| 21:03.28 | znf | good |
| 21:03.31 | znf | so I can play another game |
| 21:03.43 | Fisker | you can play another game without being banned |
| 21:05.16 | Primer | znf: I see you took PI as a talent. Are you just experimenting with that, or is it working out better? |
| 21:05.37 | znf | Primer, PI+MFI |
| 21:05.46 | Primer | I haven't done any theorycrafting since the patch. All I did was take PW:S |
| 21:06.40 | Primer | so disregard dots while MFI is up? Meaning, don't bother refreshing one that's about to fall of if it's up? |
| 21:06.47 | Primer | seems like a no-brainer, sure |
| 21:07.08 | Primer | I should probably hit a dummy for a bit |
| 21:07.30 | Primer | wtf patch |
| 21:07.40 | znf | there's no rush in unloading that DP |
| 21:07.47 | znf | so refresh dots if they're about to fall off, hit dp then mfi |
| 21:08.12 | Primer | ahh good to know |
| 21:08.32 | Primer | I know I was doing crappy DPS doing those isle group quests |
| 21:09.09 | Ressy | kd3: I created 5.2.0a for the patch. |
| 21:09.50 | Fisker | do you work for Blizzard? |
| 21:09.52 | Ressy | regular bug-fix patch. |
| 21:09.54 | Ressy | no. |
| 21:10.05 | Fisker | then how did you create 5.2.0a? |
| 21:10.09 | Fisker | btw Stanzilla |
| 21:10.11 | Fisker | whoop |
| 21:10.14 | Ressy | I created the page on wowpedia. |
| 21:10.18 | Fisker | z87 has 6 sata on mini-itx |
| 21:10.30 | Stanzilla | nice |
| 21:10.41 | Stanzilla | all 6g? |
| 21:10.46 | Primer | I really hate what they did to glyph of MS |
| 21:10.51 | Primer | makes it entirely useless |
| 21:10.56 | Stanzilla | yes Primer |
| 21:10.57 | Stanzilla | blame pvp |
| 21:11.14 | Primer | all changes are due to pvp |
| 21:11.21 | Primer | well, perhaps 95% |
| 21:11.30 | Fisker | idk Stanzilla |
| 21:11.42 | Fisker | looks like it |
| 21:11.50 | Fisker | but we don't know if they're all rst |
| 21:11.58 | Fisker | http://lab501.ro/stiri/cebit-2013-asrock-z87e-itx |
| 21:12.46 | Primer | znf: why glyph of dispersion? You pvping a lot? |
| 21:13.03 | znf | Primer, I like dispersion |
| 21:13.16 | Primer | well, I do too...but mostly for pvp |
| 21:14.39 | Fisker | though i guess there's no sign of any external storage controller Stanzilla |
| 21:14.56 | znf | I rarely have to cast a heal, so Dark Binding is not something I would get any usage out of... so meh |
| 21:15.11 | Stanzilla | Fisker: so no eSATA? |
| 21:15.24 | Primer | I pvp a lot though, so I use it a lot |
| 21:15.33 | Fisker | maybe not Stanzilla |
| 21:15.35 | Fisker | but mpcie |
| 21:15.39 | Fisker | so you can stick a hdd on it |
| 21:15.43 | Fisker | i think |
| 21:15.47 | Fisker | or use usb |
| 21:16.54 | Primer | I wish macros had a [talent] conditional |
| 21:17.06 | Primer | would make managing shit so much easier |
| 21:17.42 | kd3 | spec:1/2 |
| 21:17.43 | kd3 | ? |
| 21:17.47 | Primer | no |
| 21:17.50 | Primer | not sufficient |
| 21:18.29 | Primer | /cast [talent:0] Penance; [talent:1] Circle of Healing; [talent:2] Mind Flay |
| 21:18.54 | Primer | I've been having to spec between holy and disc a lot |
| 21:19.09 | Primer | like, during raid (well, in HoF and ToES) |
| 21:19.37 | kd3 | are you swapping from primary to secondary spec? |
| 21:19.57 | kd3 | or actually going back to your class trainer and going "reset my spec please"? |
| 21:20.08 | Primer | the latter, of course |
| 21:20.10 | Primer | since I also DPS |
| 21:21.07 | Primer | I know about [spec] |
| 21:21.14 | Primer | I have a macro that looks like this: |
| 21:21.22 | Primer | /cast Penance |
| 21:21.26 | Primer | /stopmacro |
| 21:21.34 | Primer | /cast Circle of Healing |
| 21:21.54 | Primer | So can I c/p the one I want up and down when changing, so I don't have to swap out the button |
| 21:22.50 | Primer | I paraphrased, as it's a [@mouseover,help] [] |
| 21:24.14 | foxlit | Fisker: can any mount not jump? :o << the original example was turtles, but between your riding turtle and my sea turtle, that seems busted. |
| 21:26.10 | Lopeppeppy | Elephants? |
| 21:26.19 | Lopeppeppy | They totally shouldn't be able to jump. *pouts* |
| 21:27.27 | Dagmar | They're suprisingly nimble |
| 21:40.14 | kullervo | Semlar: thing is if I unregister player_entering_world it'll stop multiple inits but also the frame will be always visible |
| 21:42.03 | Semlar | well you can't let it call init every time you change zones |
| 21:42.09 | Semlar | it's recreating the entire addon |
| 21:42.59 | kullervo | can't the init be achieved in a more sensible manner |
| 21:43.03 | karl_w_w | yeah, you don't restart the whole addon just to solve a minor problem |
| 21:43.39 | Semlar | when is it supposed to hide? |
| 21:44.05 | karl_w_w | i dont see why anything would need to be done on player_entering_world beyond first login |
| 21:44.55 | karl_w_w | other than maybe clearing out something you're tracking |
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| 21:45.14 | karl_w_w | but surely it would be better to let it just tick off naturally, whatever it might be |
| 21:45.41 | Semlar | i don't really see anything in init other than setting up the frame |
| 21:46.23 | karl_w_w | that sort of thing should be done in the body of the addon |
| 21:50.28 | kullervo | karl_w_w: if stagger ticks as I zone it'll have disappeared afterwards but the bar remains |
| 21:56.49 | foxlit | Alliance Participation: 103% << amusing. |
| 22:02.11 | NorxMAL | I don't understand why this doesn't work, I'm trying to return for example 2match2 in "1match12match2", but with "1match12match2" as a variable, strmatch(variable,"pattern",8) for example won't work |
| 22:02.15 | NorxMAL | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_strmatch |
| 22:03.06 | NorxMAL | How can I retrieve the second match with a increasing variable? |
| 22:03.25 | NorxMAL | gmatch doesn't work either like I hoped |
| 22:03.55 | NorxMAL | "for word in message:gmatch("pattern") do" is not malible enough for me |
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| 22:14.39 | Eridius | NorxMAL: what's your pattern? |
| 22:15.34 | NorxMAL | %d*%d*%s*|cff.-|r |
| 22:15.52 | NorxMAL | And I also need a version that only has |cff.-|r |
| 22:15.58 | NorxMAL | I gonna post the code I have till now |
| 22:16.47 | Eridius | %d*%d* is identical to %d* |
| 22:16.58 | Eridius | The second %d* will never match anything, because all digits will have been consumed by the first %d* |
| 22:18.09 | NorxMAL | http://pastebin.com/VFMLkRA4 |
| 22:18.17 | NorxMAL | okay :P |
| 22:18.31 | Dagmar | Hungry match is HONGREEE! |
| 22:18.35 | Torhal | NorxMAL: I'd also advise to use wowpedia.org instead of wowwiki. |
| 22:18.50 | NorxMAL | Wouldn't it match both 2 digits and a single digit then? |
| 22:18.53 | Eridius | NorxMAL: gmatch() isn't a global function (on line 39) |
| 22:19.05 | Eridius | also, _G[CRTable[i]]? Why are you using globals after all? |
| 22:19.07 | NorxMAL | I use many different sources, I have so fricking many windows open :/ |
| 22:19.24 | NorxMAL | It is after tons of tries Eridius :( |
| 22:19.30 | Torhal | NorxMAL: WoWWiki is WoWPedia over two years ago. |
| 22:19.33 | Eridius | also what's with #CRTable+1? That's 1 too many |
| 22:19.37 | NorxMAL | There has been so many versions of this code |
| 22:19.46 | Eridius | and you should use ipairs() |
| 22:20.21 | Eridius | NorxMAL: I get the feeling you're just throwing code at the wall and hoping it'll stick. That's not a very effective way to write code |
| 22:20.25 | NorxMAL | I haven't come that far yet Eridius, I have been obsessed by getting the other code to work first xD |
| 22:20.38 | Eridius | what's your goal here? |
| 22:21.04 | Eridius | also, line 19, you should make CRTable a local. You can still reference it from other functions (that come after the declaration), but this will avoid conflicts with globals |
| 22:21.18 | Eridius | and with line 19, that makes line 26 useless (unless at some point you assign nil to the variable) |
| 22:21.20 | NorxMAL | I gonna start crying soon xD |
| 22:21.28 | Eridius | what's the actual goal here? |
| 22:21.35 | NorxMAL | Wait, gonna write it now |
| 22:22.16 | Eridius | line 30 is bogus. You probably just want to insert word. Inserting the results of message:gmatch() means inserting an iterator function |
| 22:22.36 | Eridius | string.gmatch() isn't intended to be used anywhere except as a for vars... in message:gmatch() construct |
| 22:23.15 | Eridius | line 39 is similarly bogus (except even more-so because gmatch isn't a global function) |
| 22:23.42 | NorxMAL | Incoming message can contain 2 links "link1Link2" "2 link1Link2" if it's Link without a number in front, it should be stored as "1 Link" in the table. Thinking about making two tables instead now |
| 22:25.02 | NorxMAL | If a new message containing "2 Link" the table should be updated to 2 Link1, and the button updated |
| 22:25.15 | NorxMAL | It is gonna be a edit box which contains the number basicly |
| 22:26.30 | NorxMAL | But everything could have been easy if it was findmatchnr(string,"pattern",2) which would return match nr 2 |
| 22:26.55 | NorxMAL | But so far I haven't figured it out |
| 22:34.00 | NorxMAL | If "strmatch(string, pattern[, initpos])" was working with initpos, I could have done something, but when I do a print of it, it just prints the first matching pattern and for example 2 after it |
| 22:34.11 | NorxMAL | Perhaps I use it wrong |
| 22:37.34 | Eridius | where's lua_bot? |
| 22:39.16 | NorxMAL | [18:45:21] * lua_bot (~lua_bot@li37-84.members.linode.com) Quit (*.net *.split) |
| 22:39.38 | NorxMAL | yesterday |
| 22:39.45 | Eridius | right, but why hasn't it come back? |
| 22:39.54 | NorxMAL | Gonna check patterns? |
| 22:40.05 | Eridius | I was gonna demonstrate that initpos works |
| 22:41.00 | NorxMAL | oh :( |
| 22:55.25 | bleeter | http://grist.org/list/hubble-discovers-space-invaders-near-distant-galaxy/ |
| 22:59.14 | Adys | Antiarc: heh reading that hn thread about && / and |
| 22:59.31 | Adys | "it's a flaw!" "it's a feature!" "it's a flaw!" "no, a feature!" |
| 22:59.42 | Antiarc | Duck season! Rabbit season! |
| 22:59.57 | kd3 | s/Rabbit/Wabbit/ |
| 23:00.11 | Antiarc | But seriously, Ruby and Python are super similar, except Ruby is flexible and lets you shoot yourself in the foot while Python is rigid and tells you to go blow yourself if you want to do something that isn't the Python way. |
| 23:00.23 | Antiarc | (but it's safe and consistent as a result) |
| 23:01.00 | Adys | python lets you shoot yourself in the foot |
| 23:01.07 | Adys | but you have to build the gun yourself first |
| 23:01.50 | Antiarc | I just mean that it's just a philosophical difference |
| 23:02.00 | Antiarc | It's why Ruby has amazing DSLs and Python has amazing scientific processing software |
| 23:02.15 | Antiarc | Those strengths are very reflective of the communities behind them |
| 23:02.28 | Adys | yeah |
| 23:03.02 | Adys | but to be really honest one of the two ways leads to more "bad code" than the other imho |
| 23:03.21 | Adys | on the user side i mean |
| 23:03.23 | Antiarc | Eh |
| 23:03.34 | Antiarc | I dunno. I don't see a whole lot of terrible Ruby code, and I look at a *lot* of it |
| 23:03.46 | Antiarc | Whereas even "good" python code looks ugly to my Rubyist eyes |
| 23:03.55 | Antiarc | Because there's so much more cruft and boilerplate |
| 23:03.57 | Adys | i dont mean terrible wrt skill/style |
| 23:04.11 | Adys | i mean with regards to functionality/security/design |
| 23:04.15 | Antiarc | Ehh. |
| 23:04.50 | Eridius | I used to love ruby. Then I had to use it in a production environment |
| 23:05.03 | Eridius | and discovered the downside to no compiler, and to having a syntax that can actually be ambiguous at spots until you know what the types of values are |
| 23:05.11 | Eridius | e.g. distinguishing between / the division operator and / the token that starts a regexp |
| 23:05.29 | Shadowed | what |
| 23:05.36 | Antiarc | That's the case for any interpreted language |
| 23:05.39 | Adys | that seems like the least of your concerns |
| 23:05.43 | Shadowed | That's an odd example to bring up |
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| 23:05.54 | Eridius | Shadowed: it's one that can cause a syntax error to not show up until you've evaluated the line in question |
| 23:05.59 | Eridius | which is retarded |
| 23:06.01 | Antiarc | Incorrect |
| 23:06.02 | Adys | what about c's / in /* */ vs div? |
| 23:06.08 | Antiarc | Syntax errors show up at parse time, not at runtime |
| 23:06.10 | Eridius | Adys: that's not ambiguous |
| 23:06.10 | Shadowed | There are a lot more ambiguous things like monkeypatching or method missing in ruby |
| 23:06.12 | Shadowed | and that |
| 23:06.15 | Shadowed | what Antiarc said |
| 23:06.19 | Eridius | Antiarc: that's why I brought up this particular example |
| 23:06.19 | Adys | Eridius: neither is the regex op |
| 23:06.22 | Adys | even tho i hate it |
| 23:06.31 | Eridius | Antiarc: it's been years, but from what I recall there is a possibility of ambiguity until runtime |
| 23:06.40 | Antiarc | Not from a parsing/lexing perspective there's not |
| 23:06.42 | Adys | not in syntax no |
| 23:06.50 | Shadowed | also |
| 23:06.55 | Antiarc | You can have type mismatches at runtime or unhandled messages |
| 23:06.58 | bleeter | hahahaha hahahahah hahahah EA UK got busted! http://i.imgur.com/21ca7Lt.jpg |
| 23:07.01 | Antiarc | But you can't have a runtime syntax error |
| 23:07.16 | Shadowed | You can always use %r{} if it's that confusing |
| 23:07.26 | Adys | bleeter: pathetic T_T |
| 23:07.48 | Antiarc | did you all see the story about EA hiring Chinese mechanical turks to post good reviews? |
| 23:07.59 | Antiarc | http://www.p4rgaming.com/?p=1473 |
| 23:08.07 | TC-work | Eh, I'm still happy with simcity |
| 23:08.11 | Adys | 500 |
| 23:08.13 | Shadowed | also Antiarc, I saw someone use true ^ var to invert a boolean today |
| 23:08.17 | Shadowed | first time I've ever seen that |
| 23:08.18 | foxlit | question: why "chinese" mechanical turks? |
| 23:08.19 | Antiarc | *blink* |
| 23:08.26 | Antiarc | I mean, okay, technically valid |
| 23:08.27 | bleeter | though it may just be a fanpage |
| 23:08.30 | Antiarc | But that violates principle of least surprise |
| 23:08.31 | Shadowed | Antiarc yea |
| 23:08.40 | Antiarc | foxlit: Very inexpensive. |
| 23:08.40 | Shadowed | I had a pretty wtf moment |
| 23:08.44 | NorxMAL | Shadowed, do you know where lua_bot is? :) |
| 23:08.50 | Shadowed | lua bot is jnwhiteh's so no |
| 23:08.55 | Shadowed | You'd have to ask him |
| 23:08.58 | Shadowed | ~seen lua_bot |
| 23:09.07 | purl | lua_bot <~lua_bot@li37-84.members.linode.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowprogramming, 1d 7h 34m 40s ago, saying: 'New edit on node 'docs/api/GetRaidDifficulty' by lamecooter (made note of deprecation and listed the new command.) - http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetRaidDifficulty'. |
| 23:09.07 | Adys | its been missing for a few days |
| 23:09.08 | Shadowed | !seen lua_bot |
| 23:09.10 | Shadowed | there we go |
| 23:09.17 | Shadowed | The linode probably just died or something |
| 23:10.00 | Eridius | damn it's been far too long since I've done ruby. I'm forgetting syntax |
| 23:10.04 | NorxMAL | Eridius was going to show me something, to help me come a long with my coding :) |
| 23:10.15 | Eridius | I was just gonna demonstrate that initpos works |
| 23:10.39 | Adys | Antiarc: There is no reason to since the always online requirement is a good thing. |
| 23:10.40 | Adys | hahahah |
| 23:11.06 | Shadowed | also Antiarc |
| 23:11.13 | Shadowed | I've found that it's less that you see bad Ruby, but it's poorly designed |
| 23:11.13 | Adys | this is like an amazing punchline to a good comedy sketch |
| 23:11.20 | Shadowed | like weird APIs or whatnot |
| 23:11.35 | Antiarc | That usually comes from applying non-ruby idioms to Ruby code though |
| 23:11.45 | Antiarc | If you try to write PHP in Ruby you're gonna have a bad time |
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| 23:11.59 | Antiarc | also totally unrelated |
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| 23:12.14 | Antiarc | But I'm switching my logging to graylog2 because UDP logging is excellent and BufferedLogger isn't as of 3.2 |
| 23:12.30 | Antiarc | Kinda cool. You should check it out. |
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| 23:15.34 | Shadowed | Antiarc right |
| 23:15.45 | Shadowed | that looks pretty cool |
| 23:16.09 | Shadowed | Antiarc: I've wanted to setup a hosted logging system, so that looks pretty cool |
| 23:16.14 | Shadowed | how hard was it to setup/support |
| 23:16.16 | NorxMAL | Eridius, how do I write the initpos? |
| 23:16.31 | Antiarc | I haven't deployed it yet but it was about 2 hours of work last night. I wrote a middleware and log wrapper than I can give you |
| 23:16.42 | Antiarc | Actual infrastructure setup is super easy |
| 23:16.54 | Shadowed | why a middleware? |
| 23:17.06 | Shadowed | but yea, if you can give me that, that would be great |
| 23:17.20 | Shadowed | getting enough servers taht it's kind of a hassle to check logs using other methods |
| 23:17.44 | Eridius | NorxMAL: what do you mean, how? string.match("1match12match2", "%dmatch%d", 8) will correctly return "2match2" |
| 23:18.25 | NorxMAL | It didn't when I tried print() :/ |
| 23:19.22 | NorxMAL | Well, then I can use it with strfind? |
| 23:20.06 | Eridius | NorxMAL: sure, string.find() also supports the initpos param |
| 23:21.21 | NorxMAL | Oh, I have tried with strmatch() |
| 23:21.37 | Eridius | strmatch is the same thing as string.match |
| 23:22.20 | Eridius | I would recommend getting in the habit of using the "real" functions string.match and string.find instead of strmatch and strfind. They're the same thing, but the latter is only present in WoW, whereas the former is present in lua in general |
| 23:22.31 | NorxMAL | okay :) |
| 23:23.22 | Semlar|Laptop | are you sure your starting position is correct |
| 23:23.25 | Eridius | of all the lowercased global functions that Blizzard provides, wipe() is the only one I know of offhand that doesn't replicate existing lua functionality |
| 23:23.29 | Eridius | i.e. tInsert == table.insert, etc. |
| 23:27.16 | NorxMAL | What do you suggest I do for stripping a digit from "1 Link" for example? |
| 23:27.36 | NorxMAL | string.match here too? |
| 23:27.42 | Shadowed | string.gsub("([0-9]+)", "") |
| 23:28.06 | NorxMAL | Thanks :) |
| 23:29.05 | Semlar|Laptop | all digits from anywhere? |
| 23:29.12 | NorxMAL | Nope :P |
| 23:29.40 | Semlar|Laptop | that's what that's going to do |
| 23:30.09 | NorxMAL | even digits after a |? |
| 23:30.37 | Semlar|Laptop | that pattern is going to match every number in the string |
| 23:31.14 | NorxMAL | "[0-9]+" ? |
| 23:31.23 | Semlar|Laptop | one or more digits |
| 23:31.45 | Semlar|Laptop | and gsub is just going to keep matching that |
| 23:31.45 | Eridius | Semlar|Laptop: what's wrong with %d+ |
| 23:31.55 | Semlar|Laptop | what's wrong with %d |
| 23:32.12 | Semlar|Laptop | but that's not what he wants |
| 23:32.26 | Eridius | Semlar|Laptop: I meant, [0-9] is a verbose way of saying %d |
| 23:32.34 | Semlar|Laptop | i didn't suggest that pattern |
| 23:32.41 | Eridius | ...reading fail |
| 23:32.41 | Eridius | sorry |
| 23:32.49 | Eridius | Shadowed: what's wrong with %d |
| 23:32.50 | Eridius | :P |
| 23:33.18 | Shadowed | %d is ambiguous, 0-9 isn't |
| 23:33.23 | Eridius | ambiguous? |
| 23:34.02 | NorxMAL | Any good source or tutorial for a FauxScrollFrame? (?) |
| 23:34.22 | foxlit | 1. Don't use FauxScrollFrame. |
| 23:34.24 | foxlit | 2. Victory. |
| 23:34.33 | NorxMAL | wtf? :P |
| 23:34.44 | Semlar|Laptop | use a foxlitFrame |
| 23:34.57 | NorxMAL | is it contagious? :P |
| 23:35.17 | foxlit | seriously, FauxScrollFrame is essentially a single Slider with a really, really shitty API. |
| 23:35.34 | Stanzilla | are you having fun? |
| 23:35.43 | NorxMAL | Eridius, the code I posted, should I do all the table and button work in a function instead, so it looks tidyer? |
| 23:36.13 | Eridius | NorxMAL: I'm still not sure what the goal of your code is, so it's hard for me to advise architecture |
| 23:36.19 | NorxMAL | I have to rewrite the whole thing |
| 23:36.31 | Semlar|Laptop | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45982 |
| 23:37.03 | NorxMAL | It's going to create buttons and other frames based on what's whispered to me, and that is going into a scrolling frame |
| 23:38.20 | NorxMAL | So either it creates new buttons and editboxes when a new item is whispered or updated if it's mentioned again |
| 23:43.20 | NorxMAL | Thanks Semlar|Laptop :) |
| 23:43.20 | purl | de nada, NorxMAL |
| 23:43.37 | NorxMAL | Thanks Raptor Jesus |
| 23:43.37 | purl | NorxMAL: no worries |
| 23:43.41 | NorxMAL | :P |
| 23:46.03 | foxlit | I keep finding myself healing dungeons in Agility gear |
| 23:49.40 | Semlar|Laptop | how does that make you feel |
| 23:50.26 | foxlit | ineffective. |
| 23:58.20 | NorxMAL | Okay, sorry for the poor explaination, but can I make a table as cells containing data and delete whole rows easilly somehow? |
| 23:59.40 | *** join/#wowuidev Ressy (~Ressy@unaffiliated/ressy) |
| 23:59.48 | NorxMAL | or do I have to make a loop which does it? |
| 23:59.56 | Semlar|Laptop | a table of tables |
