| 00:00.34 | Arrowmaster | lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1ZmSqk92E8 |
| 00:00.40 | Arrowmaster | cant stop laughing |
| 00:03.24 | Cairenn | that's mean |
| 00:03.26 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 00:05.16 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster: http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=D36JUfE1oYk |
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| 00:14.36 | Amarande | tonight on Comedy Central, all new series |
| 00:14.37 | Amarande | "Raid Finder" |
| 00:14.37 | Amarande | heh |
| 00:28.53 | Amarande | yay, overcapped on hit again |
| 00:34.21 | Amarande | hm, apparently here's our server progress ... http://www.wowprogress.com/pve/us/ysera |
| 00:34.39 | Amarande | we have ... three guilds on server who've cleared heroic MSV |
| 00:34.59 | Amarande | is progression in MoP in general just slack, or did everyone pay to dogpile onto the top pop servers recently? |
| 00:35.35 | Neffi | The trend is more and more towards FOTM lately |
| 00:35.41 | Neffi | So I'd say the ladder |
| 00:35.53 | Amarande | or are MoP heroic mode bosses the kind of things that leave you closing your eyes at night to nightmares of the WoW screen? |
| 00:35.55 | smcn | not sure, i quit cataclysm before 4.1 so i have no idea what progression was like then |
| 00:35.59 | Amarande | like, are they just THAT hard? |
| 00:36.09 | Neffi | Case in point: the vast majority of 2200+ rogues used to be humans. Now the statistics are moving towards undead. |
| 00:36.30 | Amarande | Paid race changes, or is the norm becoming for people to completely reroll new toons each tier, especially now that there's LFR for epic gearing? |
| 00:36.38 | Neffi | The playerbase has fallen into a culture of artificially-defined, aggressively-adhered-to cookie cutter |
| 00:36.53 | Amarande | heh, and yet I'm starting to ponder respeccing my mage from the accepted arcane into frost |
| 00:37.25 | Neffi | If some spreadsheet claims X is better than Y, everyone seems to go for X, and anyone not going for X is usually told by their guildies "just go for X" |
| 00:37.37 | Amarande | Neffi, hasn't that always been WoW? |
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| 00:37.43 | Sintacks | http://i.imgur.com/1wMbmO3.jpg |
| 00:37.50 | Neffi | I remember it being much less aggressive than today |
| 00:38.16 | Amarande | I dunno, I remember a time of discontent late in Wrath when it seemed like you had to vastly overgear every instance to do it |
| 00:38.31 | Amarande | like if you wanted to normal 10 you better have gear from heroic 25 or you'll be told you don't have the gear |
| 00:38.34 | Neffi | From my own single point of view, people have gotten much, MUCH more dependent on what others tell them to do. Even if they don't understand why, and even when the person doing the math isn't necessarily credible or doing it correctly. |
| 00:38.48 | Neffi | See: how popular Noxxic is, even though many of their guides are wrong and/or outdate |
| 00:39.08 | Amarande | heh, and I still heretically refuse to reforge my arcane mage for mastery |
| 00:39.17 | Amarande | haste. it's all about haste. I can see exactly where the road to mastery goes |
| 00:39.27 | Neffi | I don't know about Wrath, that was the expansion I was least active in (about 8 month break). But it wasn't THIS bad in BC. |
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| 00:39.53 | Amarande | mastery most likely = the moment you aren't able to just stand in your rune on the training dummy, a gloomy trip towards oomness and failing to finish spells before some mechanic tells you MOVE BITCH |
| 00:40.02 | Neffi | And people think it was worse in vanilla (in the sense that if you were a warrior you tanked) but that's only because the alternative was actually unviable, not because the alternative was 2% "worse" |
| 00:40.23 | Neffi | Yeah, I refuse to reforge my sub rogue for haste either. Everyone's touting it. |
| 00:40.28 | Neffi | (PvP) |
| 00:41.16 | Neffi | I think the culture of BiS and following cookie cutter guides that offered zero explanation as to WHY you should do this or that fed it all |
| 00:41.19 | Amarande | and really, in today's ninja reflexes mobility fights, when do you have *time* to channel something like evocation, if you tried invocate instead :P |
| 00:41.34 | Neffi | Back in BC, guides generally put more emphasis on WHY than on WHAT |
| 00:41.49 | Semlar | and you had forty billion talents |
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| 00:42.17 | Amarande | and changing talents was expensive |
| 00:42.20 | Amarande | now it's less than a gold piece each time |
| 00:42.32 | Neffi | And even though 60% of warlocks were SL/SL, the other 40% were a strange setup of whatever the hell they prefered (PvP). Back when the norm said destro couldn't PvP, there was a good share of high rated destro locks. |
| 00:42.43 | Amarande | unless you're one of those bads who actually buys tomes of the clear mind from the AH instead of from vendors heh |
| 00:42.47 | Amarande | someone apparently does. :| |
| 00:42.52 | Neffi | People adhered less to cookie cutter back then, despite cookie cutter giving more of an advantage than it does today |
| 00:43.12 | Amarande | Neffi: and most likely the high rated destro locks lucked into it |
| 00:43.32 | Amarande | mainly, by having opponents who didn't know that the lock was the Achilles' heel of a 5's group |
| 00:43.38 | Semlar | i had an SL/SL warlock take on me and two of my friends once.. |
| 00:43.40 | Amarande | or who were caster heavy |
| 00:43.46 | Neffi | Not the case. I don't recall names, but some of them were active on Youtube, publishing videos of matches and explanations of their talent choices. They made viable sense. |
| 00:43.56 | Semlar | that was incredibly embarrassing |
| 00:44.05 | Amarande | because if you met a melee heavy group that knew to focus on the warlock you were pretty much dead, and later in the expansion this was true even with SL/SL |
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| 00:44.11 | Neffi | They didn't care that what they did was not absolutely ideal. They cared that they played a spec that was fun. Nowadays, that's more rare. |
| 00:44.41 | Amarande | yeah, I'm one of the few heretics that still does, and did |
| 00:44.48 | Amarande | I even made a serious attempt at 2H Frost DK in cataclysm |
| 00:44.53 | Amarande | at least early on before I left WoW for a while |
| 00:45.01 | Amarande | because, well, being a DPS DK early in cata sucked in general |
| 00:45.19 | Neffi | But it all goes to the culture that back then, every class had high-quality guides explaining not just what to do, but detailed walkthroughs of the why, how and what everything really meant. A lot of guides even gave total newbs very good primers on what all the math meant and how to run it themselves. |
| 00:45.33 | Amarande | and I tried tanking once, it felt like trying to race a rusty Focus in NASCAR |
| 00:45.43 | Neffi | I can't even find a guide like that anymore. Nowadyas it's just "this is your rotation. this is your spec. you can change this specific talent if you want. go play now" |
| 00:46.09 | Amarande | I'll probably make my windwalker monk 2H, too |
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| 00:46.25 | Amarande | not sure if I'll go as far as going arms on a warrior, on the other hand, since apparently that really does seem to perform really bad :S |
| 00:46.31 | Dagmar | That's because they collapsed the complexity of most of the classes, since people were working out what was the most narrowly focused thing, and beating it to death |
| 00:47.02 | Amarande | ehh, it's not all bad. I kind of like not spending fifty gold every time I want to change a talent |
| 00:47.14 | Dagmar | The vast majority of players were already picking the same spec, and anyone who deviated from that spec as "A @#$@$ @#$%$ NOOB-ASS !@#$@$" |
| 00:47.15 | Amarande | ... especially when that fifty gold usually goes to repair bills when I do LFR :| |
| 00:47.33 | Semlar | how much do you guys know about mac games from the early 90s |
| 00:47.34 | Amarande | *sigh* |
| 00:47.47 | Neffi | I like that they lowered complexity. A lot of it was unnecessary. |
| 00:47.48 | Semlar | i'm trying to remember what this was called |
| 00:47.48 | Amarande | Semlar: Mac-specific, or multi-platform games like Gold Box and Ultima? |
| 00:47.54 | Dagmar | ...so they took all the decision-making out of it and replaced those choices with what amounts to "You want loud with that or do you want noisy?" |
| 00:47.56 | Semlar | i don't know if it was mac specific or not |
| 00:48.00 | Semlar | but it was on a mac |
| 00:48.19 | Semlar | it was a vertical scroller set in space |
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| 00:48.31 | Dagmar | Does Marathon count? |
| 00:48.33 | Semlar | and you had a little grey/white spaceship you flew around as |
| 00:48.34 | Neffi | The point is, the community hasn't followed the trend. Complexity got lowered, but they still want to listen to what guides tell them because they see picking ideal choices as difficult, or even arcane and inaccessible to their simple minds. |
| 00:48.42 | Amarande | hm. s12 epic boots worth keeping now, or will basic blue contender's be better when patch hits? |
| 00:48.44 | Neffi | People need to be encouraged to think for themselves |
| 00:48.54 | Neffi | The old guides did that. |
| 00:48.55 | Dagmar | Neffi: You are mistaken |
| 00:49.08 | Dagmar | THinking for themselves is something they're not any good at |
| 00:49.19 | Neffi | You might be surprised |
| 00:49.27 | Dagmar | If they were they would't all huddle around the flavor of the month specs |
| 00:49.35 | Neffi | People as a whole will rise to the standards set for them. |
| 00:49.38 | Amarande | but yeah, are there FOTM servers now too, not just specs? |
| 00:49.48 | Neffi | If you give them all they need, they won't take the opportunity to figure it out on their own |
| 00:49.58 | Amarande | or is everyone literally either rerolling or finding the spare change to pay for transfers to get onto Stormrage (PvE) or Illidan/Tich (PvP)? |
| 00:50.02 | Dagmar | ...because PvP is about avoiding fair fights, no matter the cost |
| 00:50.15 | Amarande | seems like *many* servers have really poor progression now |
| 00:50.19 | Neffi | Amarande: There have been FOTM servers since the days of Leeroy Jenkins, the funeral raid, etc. |
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| 00:50.36 | Dagmar | Neffi: You shoudl see the butthurtness on the Ingress groups |
| 00:50.54 | Amarande | Hell. Ysera has NO heroic Terrace progression AT ALL, only three guilds done with heroic MSV and only one guild that's even 5/6 heroic HoF |
| 00:50.54 | Neffi | Look how overpakced a lot of those servers are. So much so all the good players have abandoned ship and you've got a shitload of FOTMers circlejerking each other about how leet they are for playing on (eg) Illidan |
| 00:51.02 | Dagmar | Players actually bitch because they can't take out high-level portals from day one. ...because those high-level portals will hurt them. |
| 00:51.31 | xyphoid | i appreciate the EJ marksmanship guides with like section 8.5.3.3.2: 8.5.3.3.2 KS Phase During Rapid Fire with AI as the Focus Dump |
| 00:51.48 | Amarande | Dagmar: heh, indeed, I saw one PvP guide to Molten Front that specifically encouraged you to attack people doing their dailies and busy fighting mobs |
| 00:52.01 | Dagmar | I'm sort of tempted to write an "Egress" app to put on the Play store. It'll just show a simulated map with a few portals on it, and when you click on one of the enemy color it'll display "BOOM" and turn it to your color, an if you click on it again it'll say "YOU ARE TEH WINNAR" |
| 00:52.02 | Amarande | and if you felt guilty about murdering them like that, then you should feel glad that at least you spared them a repair bill :P |
| 00:52.10 | Neffi | Now afk while I play my pvp sub rogue that took Subterfuge and Cheat Death even though everyone says I need Shadow Focus and Elusiveness |
| 00:52.16 | xyphoid | i wish ingress did have things to do at low levels though |
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| 00:52.46 | xyphoid | cycle around, hack portals. repeat for 4 weeks. now you can do other things |
| 00:52.50 | Dagmar | It does. they are things like... farming, studying game mechanics, collecting portals keys, and learning how to not get underfoot. |
| 00:52.59 | Amarande | and you know what, despite having such poor progression |
| 00:53.08 | Amarande | Ysera is still the #100 progressed server and qualifies as "purple" on wowprogress |
| 00:53.23 | Dagmar | Things like _looking at the intel map_ to find out which portals you can actually maybe take at L1. |
| 00:53.57 | Amarande | even Silvermoon mentioned before is in the purple bracket, #73 |
| 00:54.15 | Dagmar | ...and regardless of the histronic whiny bullshit, there's nothing preventing L1 players from engaging in hacks of L8 enemy portals... other than perhaps they won't get anything they'll be able to use for some time until they level up. |
| 00:54.42 | Amarande | although yeah, I'm getting this impression that maybe heroic raids in Mists are really THAT hard |
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| 00:55.22 | Amarande | I just looked at Stormrage (#3 top progression realm, #1 top PvE progression realm). There's only two guilds with 4/4 heroic Terrace, heh |
| 00:55.30 | Dagmar | I would kneecap someone for the ability to get 100Ap per portal hack right now |
| 00:55.30 | xyphoid | if there was more to farming than 'visit places, press button' i'd be happier |
| 00:56.04 | Amarande | heck even Illidan has only six such guilds |
| 00:56.11 | Amarande | wow |
| 00:56.23 | Dagmar | Xyphoid; That's pretty much all there is to the entire game |
| 00:56.29 | Dagmar | It ain't just for low levels |
| 00:56.41 | Amarande | hmm. have most people just given up on real progression raiding altogether now and just do LFR? :S |
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| 00:57.48 | Amarande | rats wowprogress doesn't go back to vanilla :( |
| 00:57.50 | Dagmar | Xyphoid: I'm perpetually at the item limit because about every other night I go downtown and quietly walk 3-6 miles, hacking everythign I come across. |
| 00:58.10 | Amarande | I was interested in seeing if there's actually fewer H-Terrace25 guilds now than there were Naxx40 guilds |
| 00:58.10 | Dagmar | The blues got all upset because they feel like underdogs and I took out their little portal farm in a cemetery |
| 00:58.38 | Dagmar | ...for which they retaliated by assaulting the place I told them that hassling was going to make me smash their little farms. |
| 00:58.39 | xyphoid | at least we have more than 3 portals in the city now |
| 00:58.53 | Dagmar | Xyphoid: Seriously. Hunt down some statuary and submit more. |
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| 00:59.19 | Dagmar | I am seldom out at a time of day when it's good to take pictures, and I've added six portals to Nashville |
| 00:59.55 | Dagmar | ...and I've got enough weapons to turn them all green if they weren't basically all green already. |
| 01:00.19 | Dagmar | 1,300 L4 and above bursters, because I am careful and patient. |
| 01:00.27 | Dagmar | Just passed the 300 mark on portal keys |
| 01:00.57 | Dagmar | As soon as my ankle stops carping, I'll probably go link up most of downtown in one night and hit level 8. |
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| 01:25.28 | bluspacecow | i feel loved. |
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| 02:17.43 | Neffi | foxlit: ping |
| 02:17.52 | foxlit | zzz? |
| 02:18.09 | Neffi | foxlit: Add /cancelform to Spade? |
| 02:18.23 | Neffi | "You are in a shapeshift form" "You are mounted" is annoying when tilling |
| 02:18.45 | foxlit | You're still going to have to click twice :/ |
| 02:19.22 | Neffi | yes |
| 02:19.31 | Neffi | but it's a lot easier than: |
| 02:19.47 | Neffi | click -> click -> wtf -> oh -> hit mount/form keybind -> click |
| 02:23.11 | foxlit | Yes, yes. It still feels awkward, though -- it really should be fixed by blizzard by making the auto dismount / auto form settings actually be respected for those actions. |
| 02:24.28 | foxlit | You should probably write a ticket. And send a messenger pigeon to blizzard or something :) |
| 02:25.42 | Thunder_Child | It's probably done that way to prevent accidental dismount |
| 02:25.46 | Amarande | foxlit: yeah a few other sundry things don't respect that for odd reasons |
| 02:25.51 | Amarande | like the portal from Shattrath to IoQD |
| 02:26.02 | Amarande | always have to manually dismount to take that one |
| 02:26.33 | foxlit | Thunder_Child: why is accidental dismounting a problem when you're trying to till soil on your farm? |
| 02:27.00 | Thunder_Child | foxlit: I assume any kind of action of that type |
| 02:27.31 | foxlit | Of what type? |
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| 02:27.44 | Thunder_Child | whatever type tilling is |
| 02:28.17 | foxlit | Then tilling should not be an action of that type. Bug. |
| 02:30.50 | foxlit | I mean, there are plenty of things that you can do from a mount, and there are plenty of things that will automatically dismount you if you attempt them. |
| 02:31.44 | bluspacecow | Tiller ? For some reason I think http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHlo_N34vuo when you say that :P |
| 02:34.04 | foxlit | Neffi: check if http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info19293-RealAutoDismount.html works for you? |
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| 02:35.23 | Neffi | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:36.18 | Neffi | I'll write my own Real Dismount that handles forms and shit I guess |
| 02:37.18 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:38.05 | Neffi | I've had enough of them already |
| 02:38.09 | Neffi | I'm damn hungover |
| 02:39.18 | kd3 | ah, wtf kd3 |
| 02:39.49 | kd3 | I've got the tv on and I'm watching a youtube video. I tried to rewind a few seconds on tv and I click on the youtube video |
| 02:41.11 | foxlit | Neffi: you can only really do that by anticipating every action that you might want to dismount for -- can't reactively cancel forms. |
| 02:41.39 | Neffi | i can anticipate common ones, and depend on user comments for missed cases |
| 03:30.44 | pompy1 | Parnic: how's Sesame Street? :O |
| 03:32.07 | Ackis | pompy1: that gmae may be too complex for you! <3 |
| 03:32.34 | pompy1 | oh |
| 03:54.48 | Semlar | fuck yeah i found the super obscure mac game i was looking for |
| 03:55.01 | Semlar | now i just need to figure out how i can run this on windows 7 |
| 03:55.25 | Semlar | i'm going to need an emulator and a time machine |
| 04:18.35 | kd3 | wait... what? http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20130217/NEWS01/302170050/Historic-oversight-corrected-Film-Lincoln-inspires-look-into-slavery-vote |
| 04:21.02 | Stanzilla | Top donations in February - $2125 from Harley S (Australia). Top donation all time: $10,000 from Amhai! Thank you! <- what the fuck |
| 04:21.22 | Stanzilla | that's from reckful btw, pvp streamer |
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| 10:42.28 | bleeter | https://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/crazy-signs-28.jpg |
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| 10:48.37 | zenzio | bleeter: :) |
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| 11:20.01 | zenzio | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Base64-encoding-is-actually-Finnish.aspx - I knew it |
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| 13:54.11 | zenzelezz | "I did not exactly expect much from Deathrace 3 but holy hell did it undeliver in every possible respect. Yes, undeliver. It sucked the enthusiasm right out of me. I could see it form vapor and then disappear into the atmosphere." |
| 13:57.07 | VIad | zenzelezz: what is deathrace? lol |
| 13:57.54 | zenzelezz | no idea, I'd never heard of it before |
| 13:58.50 | VIad | I guess suicidals are in the lead? |
| 13:58.59 | VIad | that or it's car related? |
| 14:23.47 | Zyn | it's the movie adaption of Carmageddon |
| 14:24.07 | Zyn | saw the first one, it's OKish, because Jason Statham |
| 14:27.28 | VIad | aaah now I remember that movie, so insignificant I totally forgot it, even the name :P |
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| 14:37.43 | neutronimity | Macro conditionals cannot be changed in combat. :( |
| 14:38.02 | Kalroth | stop hacking neutronimity!! |
| 14:38.17 | neutronimity | ;_; |
| 14:40.35 | neutronimity | :O |
| 14:40.43 | neutronimity | But I can edit macros while in combat. |
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| 14:45.58 | neutronimity | Ok it fails if i try the api |
| 15:10.41 | Arrowmaster | my recommendation shows up for those of you that im friends with on steam right? http://store.steampowered.com/app/214970/ |
| 15:23.39 | karl_w_w | http://theconversation.edu.au/lunch-and-dinner-with-julian-assange-in-prison-12234 |
| 15:27.46 | karl_w_w | Jamash make learning aid not put symbiosis on the just-learned frame if i already have the placeholder spell on my bars |
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| 15:41.30 | Parnic | pompy1: sesame street rocked. also i have a 2-yr-old ;) |
| 15:48.15 | Fisker | hey Parnic |
| 15:48.20 | Parnic | hey Fisker |
| 15:48.21 | Fisker | i don't hate you |
| 15:48.23 | Parnic | good |
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| 16:19.32 | VIad | http://www.ownedcore.com/forums/world-of-warcraft/world-of-warcraft-exploits/389686-nocollision-fly-exploration-tool-improved-hack-macro.html bans incoming? lol |
| 16:21.13 | VIad | tried out Zend2 framework for PHP |
| 16:21.20 | VIad | so many frameworks, I hope my choice was a good one |
| 16:26.43 | Arrowmaster | you picked PHP, it wasnt a good choice |
| 16:29.26 | Fisker | i need usb Arrowmaster |
| 16:38.45 | zenzelezz | VIad: ZF is fairly good |
| 16:39.09 | VIad | Arrowmaster: I'll let you make your pages in Dreamweaver or Frontpage :P |
| 16:39.10 | zenzelezz | so my dentist quit, and they assigned me a new one. Turned out to be a girl, mid-20s or so, super cute... never before have I wanted to go back to the dentist |
| 16:39.15 | VIad | thanks zenzelezz |
| 16:39.32 | VIad | zenzelezz: just hope she has expertise |
| 16:39.48 | VIad | "oh sorry I forgot I had to use this tool for this operation" |
| 16:39.48 | VIad | :3 |
| 16:40.24 | ccox | zenzelezz: eat more candy, so she'll spend more time bending over you |
| 16:41.27 | Semlar | solid plan |
| 16:45.45 | Shirik | Arrowmaster, I no longer despise PHP |
| 16:45.50 | Shirik | because I have learned of something even worse |
| 16:46.02 | Arrowmaster | what? |
| 16:46.08 | Shirik | server-side Javascript/NodeJS |
| 16:50.19 | Arrowmaster | what the fuck |
| 16:50.42 | Arrowmaster | i just got a notification from facebook that they are locking my account because somebody from an unknown location logged into it thismorning |
| 16:50.59 | Semlar | it's probably for the best |
| 16:51.07 | VIad | Shirik: I've seen some jobs writing they wish you to have NodeJS experience |
| 16:51.15 | VIad | I took a look but, writing websites with javascript? |
| 16:51.15 | Arrowmaster | that location, "Unknown Location, IP=10.49.82.25" |
| 16:51.27 | Shirik | And when they say that, I immediately add them to my "never work for these companies" list |
| 16:51.48 | VIad | Shirik: NodeJS brags it's quick |
| 16:51.50 | VIad | didn't it? |
| 16:51.56 | VIad | with load balance or something |
| 16:52.20 | Semlar | if it starts with 10 isn't it a network address? |
| 16:52.36 | Arrowmaster | yes thats a reserved netblock |
| 16:52.45 | Arrowmaster | meaning it came from within facebooks network |
| 16:52.52 | Shirik | (1) I don't give a fuck if it's faster than an FPGA implementation, it's still an awful language, (2) everyone says they're quick |
| 16:53.08 | Shirik | wellllllllll that's scary |
| 16:53.19 | Shirik | is your account actually locked? |
| 16:53.21 | Dagmar | Not necessarily |
| 16:53.34 | Dagmar | The entire email is probably fake, for one thing |
| 16:53.40 | Shirik | that's where I was going |
| 16:54.00 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 16:54.03 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 16:54.08 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: no its not fake, when i tried logging into facebook i got the notification with the IP address |
| 16:54.12 | Dagmar | if it's real, Facebook has some major fucking problems that are worth firing up the popcorn popper in preparation of. |
| 16:54.14 | Fisker | you're not mad at me Shirik? |
| 16:54.18 | Shirik | nop |
| 16:54.24 | Fisker | not even if i murder you? |
| 16:54.43 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: So... Facebook is definitely telling you they're having fraudulent login problems from a 10.0.0.0/8 address? |
| 16:54.49 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 16:55.01 | Dagmar | Oh fucking sweet. It's popcorn time. |
| 16:55.32 | Shirik | quickly, short facebook before the media finds out |
| 16:55.47 | Shirik | oh right |
| 16:55.48 | Arrowmaster | read the email on tablet, opened facebook.com on laptop, got message that account was locked and i needed to review the message, it said login attempt at 8:43am today from a 10.0.0.0/8 netblock ip |
| 16:55.51 | Shirik | market's closed today :( |
| 16:56.42 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Take a screenshot, scrub it. Post to reddit and lol |
| 16:56.44 | Arrowmaster | and now i can not get back to the notification, gg facebook |
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| 16:57.35 | Dagmar | I'd be digging around in the settings until it shows up again |
| 16:59.47 | Arrowmaster | i wonder if maybe their xmpp gateway triggered it |
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| 17:16.43 | zenzelezz | "Slackware ARM (formally ARMedslack) version 13.37 and later runs on the Raspberry Pi without modification"... why do I keep making things difficult for myself... |
| 17:17.38 | Fisker | mad zenzelezz? |
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| 17:19.08 | zenzelezz | Fisker: sounds about right |
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| 17:25.48 | Thunder_Child | zenzelezz: masochism? |
| 17:26.34 | zenzelezz | starting to think it must be |
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| 17:28.12 | karl_w_w | I think it would be much more cost effective if multiple utilities could be provided over the one connections |
| 17:28.28 | karl_w_w | I mean, imagine how awesome it would be if internet was sent over your power connection |
| 17:28.37 | karl_w_w | and that power connection ran down the gas piping |
| 17:28.41 | karl_w_w | that'd be awesome |
| 17:29.05 | karl_w_w | makes boom sound |
| 17:29.09 | zenzelezz | gas piping? |
| 17:30.06 | Thunder_Child | actually i suspect you could use the gas for electrical power |
| 17:30.36 | Thunder_Child | plus you might beable to encode data onto the gas thats stripped out during energy generation |
| 17:30.44 | Thunder_Child | go figure it out karl_w_w |
| 17:31.21 | zenzelezz | why do you have gas piping in the first place? |
| 17:31.37 | karl_w_w | because |
| 17:31.43 | karl_w_w | otherwise it would escape? |
| 17:31.52 | karl_w_w | isn't sure how to answer that |
| 17:31.59 | zenzelezz | what do you use the gas for? |
| 17:32.07 | Parnic | to light it on fire |
| 17:32.10 | Thunder_Child | water heaters |
| 17:32.14 | karl_w_w | hot water |
| 17:32.15 | Thunder_Child | grills |
| 17:32.17 | Thunder_Child | etc |
| 17:32.18 | karl_w_w | cooking |
| 17:32.29 | Parnic | some clothes dryers use gas as well |
| 17:32.31 | zenzelezz | water heaters, cooking? You've got electricity, use it |
| 17:32.33 | karl_w_w | some people even have gas heaters! |
| 17:32.41 | karl_w_w | electricity is more expensive |
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| 17:32.58 | Parnic | also fire is awesome. in general. |
| 17:32.59 | karl_w_w | and horrible for stove tops |
| 17:33.03 | karl_w_w | yes! |
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| 17:33.07 | karl_w_w | fire good |
| 17:33.10 | zenzelezz | which kind of stove tops? |
| 17:33.13 | karl_w_w | fire make man powaful |
| 17:33.18 | zenzelezz | the old metal kind, the ceramic, or induction? |
| 17:33.25 | karl_w_w | yes. |
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| 17:33.51 | Fisker | man Parnic |
| 17:34.01 | Parnic | woman FIsker |
| 17:34.06 | Fisker | yep |
| 17:34.06 | karl_w_w | plus when your electricity goes out you can still cook if you have gas |
| 17:34.19 | karl_w_w | always nice to have hot meals |
| 17:34.37 | zenzelezz | I remember we used gas in our cabin. Propane I think. Whichever it was |
| 17:35.00 | zenzelezz | if electricity is out long enough to let you go hungry... o_O |
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| 17:35.35 | karl_w_w | i live in australia, we're too backwards to bury our power lines it seems |
| 17:36.02 | karl_w_w | which is fucking fantastic idea for a country constantly on bushfire alert in summer, right? |
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| 17:36.13 | zenzelezz | haha |
| 17:36.24 | karl_w_w | so we end up with relatively regular blackouts that'll last a half a day or so |
| 17:36.32 | Tuller | i would run under the assumption that you have something jump out and kill you whenever you attempt to dig |
| 17:36.37 | zenzelezz | I don't know how long we've been burying out power lines here. Not long enough, but apparently a little while |
| 17:36.45 | karl_w_w | due to things like cars crashing into poles, the wind blowing, stuff like that |
| 17:37.21 | karl_w_w | we have the almight pole-top fire |
| 17:37.32 | zenzelezz | generally it might be a good idea to dig cables into the ground, but it sucks every time a road construction project (or the odd other one) severs the main Internet cable for your region |
| 17:37.41 | karl_w_w | which is where the weather is hot for a couple of days and the pole spontaneously catches fire |
| 17:38.13 | Arrowmaster | zenzelezz: if your region has one main internet cable you have another problem |
| 17:38.29 | zenzelezz | it's Norway, we've got surprisingly weak Internet infrastructure |
| 17:38.46 | karl_w_w | determined to be different to sweden |
| 17:38.53 | zenzelezz | in any way we can! |
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| 17:40.00 | matt1s | I am using ReAction bars by 'flickerstrea' and have come upon a bug with OmniCC. The countdown text is not wiped when the bars page. How can I determine if I should file a bug to the ReAction mod author or the OmniCC author? |
| 17:41.15 | karl_w_w | my guess would be reaction |
| 17:41.19 | Seerah | same ^^ |
| 17:41.26 | Seerah | since OmniCC works fine with other bar mods |
| 17:41.34 | Seerah | (iirc) |
| 17:41.56 | Tuller | well, here's what i'm doing: |
| 17:42.06 | matt1s | All right, I'll raise a ticket with the ReAction guy. Thanks |
| 17:44.46 | Tuller | answer: its reaction |
| 17:44.54 | Tuller | button cooldowns don't update when moving things around on the bar |
| 17:47.19 | znf | seems like a half-dead bars mod |
| 17:50.32 | matt1s | It is probably a bit too configurable to catch on.. but I like it :-) |
| 17:52.25 | matt1s | Trying to figure out how OmniCC ties in with ReAction.. maybe I can just supply him with a patch |
| 17:55.53 | karl_w_w | i saw a poster on a bus shelter for cloud atlas on dvd but i didnt catch the date, which is very annoying |
| 17:56.50 | Seerah | karl_w_w: looks like June |
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| 17:57.46 | Tuller | matt1s: omnicc doesn't really tie ito the addon directly, instead it hooks into cooldowns and displays text information about their status |
| 17:58.15 | Tuller | the fix, is basically to make sure that reaction always updates cooldown information when an action changes |
| 17:58.49 | karl_w_w | I've seen may Seerah, both are too far away! |
| 17:59.39 | F16Gaming | meanwhile in sweden, cloud atlas hasn't hit theatres accoring to imdb |
| 17:59.45 | F16Gaming | according* |
| 17:59.49 | Semlar | yeah omnicc just hooks the cooldown spinner animation |
| 18:00.28 | Semlar | i wonder how my addon would handle that |
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| 18:16.47 | Semlar | matt1s: how do you page a bar with this addon |
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| 18:17.16 | Semlar | well, change pages |
| 18:17.40 | Seerah | Semlar: do the normal keybinds work? |
| 18:17.50 | Semlar | they just change the blizzard action bar |
| 18:18.07 | Seerah | ah, so this bar doesn't reuse those? |
| 18:18.08 | End_ | doesn't that addon change bars based on your target? |
| 18:18.09 | Semlar | and ReAction doesn't appear to have any buttons for paging on the bar |
| 18:18.29 | Seerah | (I haven't looked at it, honestly |
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| 18:18.58 | End_ | oh maybe not |
| 18:18.58 | tharper | mikma: so which one of you wrote http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_profanity |
| 18:19.07 | End_ | I think I was thinking of a different addon |
| 18:20.06 | Semlar | it lets you configure the number of pages but i can't figure out how to actually change the page |
| 18:20.25 | Semlar | oh i guess it has dynamic states you have to set |
| 18:21.45 | foxlit | why don't widget:Raise() and widget:Lower() have any observable effect? |
| 18:22.27 | Shadowed | afaik, those raise and lower based on frame level or maybe it was strata |
| 18:22.44 | Shadowed | so if it's observable, it will depend on everything else on the screen around it or on top of/under it |
| 18:22.45 | nevcairiel | should be level |
| 18:22.45 | Semlar | matt1s: if you want a version of omnicc that you can't configure at all but does work with your addon you can try http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/crackcooldown/ |
| 18:22.56 | Shadowed | I would assume level, yea |
| 18:23.22 | foxlit | I'm essentially running /dump widget:Raise(), widget:GetFrameLevel() and the equivalent with Lower several times, and it always prints 4. |
| 18:23.50 | Shadowed | It might be used for frames of the same level and use it as a tiebreaker too |
| 18:23.51 | Shadowed | but |
| 18:23.59 | Shadowed | I don't think anyone actually uses it |
| 18:24.33 | Fisker | hey tharper |
| 18:24.36 | Fisker | i don't hate you |
| 18:24.39 | tharper | hihi |
| 18:24.43 | mikma | tharper: none :((( |
| 18:24.45 | Seerah | I've never had luck with it and just had to be smart with the order of creating frames/textures and the way they're parented |
| 18:25.11 | Shadowed | I've never actually ran into a case where I went "I wish I could call RAise/Lower on this frame" |
| 18:25.30 | tharper | Fisker: should I have been worried before? |
| 18:25.38 | foxlit | Shadowed: imagine you're overlaying a frame on top of something else that has child frames. |
| 18:25.41 | nevcairiel | it might make a difference when two frames are on the same frame level |
| 18:25.42 | Fisker | nope tharper |
| 18:25.49 | Fisker | i'm not capable of hate |
| 18:25.52 | tharper | that's good |
| 18:26.01 | Shadowed | foxlit: Having done an UF, I've done that before :P |
| 18:26.05 | Shadowed | and still not needed it |
| 18:26.10 | foxlit | nevcairiel: no, that does not match observed behavior. |
| 18:26.30 | foxlit | even if I have two frames with the same framelevel, Raise/Lower seems to have no effect on what's on top of what. |
| 18:26.51 | Shadowed | What are you actually trying to do that you can't just bump the frame level |
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| 18:28.08 | Semlar | i'm surprised omnicc even works with this addon, the cooldown spinner appears to vanish the second you page and doesn't come back |
| 18:28.11 | foxlit | Shadowed: I can probably just bump the frame level. |
| 18:29.12 | foxlit | The docs even give the impression that that's what Raise/Lower are supposed to do -- so why don't they actually work? |
| 18:29.18 | Shadowed | because nobody uses them |
| 18:29.22 | Tuller | semlar: omnicc's cooldowns aren't directly attached to cooldown frames |
| 18:29.26 | Shadowed | and if anyone did, they went "huh this doesn't work, I'll use frame level" |
| 18:29.28 | Shadowed | and never reported it |
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| 18:29.40 | Shadowed | Tuller fyi I hate you for making me have to name all my cooldown frames |
| 18:30.02 | foxlit | how do you even know what you should bump the frame level to? |
| 18:30.15 | Shadowed | foxlit: child:SetFrameLevel(parent:GetFrameLevel() + 1) |
| 18:30.19 | Shadowed | or maybe it had to be 2 |
| 18:30.19 | Shadowed | one of those |
| 18:30.33 | Tuller | shadowed: omnicc doesn't make you have to do that :P |
| 18:30.34 | foxlit | Shadowed: I don't think that works in all circumstances |
| 18:30.48 | Shadowed | Tuller to do any sort of configuration for just the UF it does |
| 18:30.56 | Shadowed | since you changed something in your config setup that required it |
| 18:31.16 | foxlit | Since the parent would probably have to be bellow all of its children, and all the children can increase frame level arbitrarily |
| 18:31.35 | foxlit | It's obviously easy if you know exactly what you're overlaying, but I don't want that limitation. |
| 18:31.40 | Shadowed | ok |
| 18:31.43 | Shadowed | what are you trying to actually do |
| 18:32.11 | Shadowed | since it sounds like you're trying to do something weird and crazy |
| 18:32.17 | Semlar | you could loop through the children and get the level of the highest frame |
| 18:32.31 | foxlit | lunch; I'll return in a bit. |
| 18:33.16 | Semlar | or if you wanted to be lazy you could just up the strata |
| 18:33.36 | matt1s | Semlar / Tuller: sorry, was away for dinner. I am not the author of ReAction, so I have no idea. I don't even know Lua, I know Python.. So I will just have to see if I can hack something together |
| 18:33.43 | nevcairiel | lunch? didnt you use to be in EU? |
| 18:33.54 | Semlar | matt1s: see if my addon works with your bars |
| 18:34.10 | znf | cool, a guildie got 72h suspension randomly |
| 18:34.14 | kd3 | maybe he's just operating on US CST? |
| 18:34.52 | matt1s | Semlar: thanks, I'll try that one out! |
| 18:35.20 | Semlar | it doesn't work the same way as omnicc so i think it will |
| 18:35.42 | Semlar | it's just not as nice as omnicc |
| 18:35.43 | Shadowed | foxlit: If you're trying to build a system where you can do the layering on something where the children can arbitrarily increase/decrease frame level, then you should use strata. Otherwise, make a "top frame" which is attached to the parent with a higher frame level, and then attach your children to that. That's what SUF uses for text to make sure text is above all the arbitrary child frames it creates |
| 18:36.41 | Seerah | and now for something completely different.... http://www.wimp.com/bearninja/ |
| 18:37.47 | Semlar | mMap sets the strata of the map's title bar to "tooltip" so it pretty much made the menu i had attached to the top of the map unusable |
| 18:38.09 | Tuller | @shadowed, I dug through code to make sure you actually could blame me for that one :P |
| 18:39.44 | matt1s | Semlar: Thanks, that worked just fine! I haven't customized OmniCC anything, so I was only looking for the bare functionality of showing countdown for the cooldown. I feel like I should file a bug for the ReAction guy though |
| 18:40.05 | Semlar | let me know if there are any issues with it since i haven't really messed with it in a while |
| 18:40.56 | matt1s | Semlar: will do! |
| 18:42.17 | Semlar | if you open up the lua file there are actually a few settings you could change if you wanted to do it manually |
| 18:42.28 | Semlar | the font, size and colors |
| 18:42.36 | Semlar | they're all at the very top |
| 18:44.06 | matt1s | Semlar: No need really, the defaults are good. I'll try it out a bit and see how it works out in practice. Thanks for giving me the heads up! |
| 18:44.21 | Semlar | no problem |
| 18:44.51 | Dagmar | Next you can test to see if it works in a NetBSD kernel. ;) |
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| 18:52.05 | Neffi | How can I stop an account from getting locked all the time when its logged into from a different location? |
| 18:53.26 | Mr_Rabies | keep logging in from different locations and hope it learns your pattern |
| 18:53.43 | Mr_Rabies | or file a ticket and ask |
| 18:53.49 | Dagmar | ...or stop logging in at two places at once, maybe |
| 18:53.53 | Neffi | Also does it bother anyone else that the wingspan on a lot of the flying mounts are totally nonsensical? Like the Obsidian Nightwing. If that thing can fly, I might as well flap my arms and try the same. |
| 18:53.58 | Dagmar | It shouldn't lock the account just because you logged in from somewhere else |
| 18:54.21 | Dagmar | Neefi: Whelplings. |
| 18:54.32 | Dagmar | If they can actually fly, so can basset hounds. |
| 18:54.37 | Neffi | It's my account that I pay for for my brother. He moves between two houses regularly, and sometimes goes to friends' houses. He gets locked out every once in a while, and EVERY time I log into it. |
| 18:54.54 | Neffi | It claims suspicious activity because of the location difference |
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| 18:56.48 | Mr_Rabies | maybe the wings are just a part of nightwings' flight strategy |
| 18:57.11 | Dagmar | So basically, you have two people using one account, and you are having a problem with that it actually notices this |
| 18:57.14 | Mr_Rabies | does he have an authenticator, neffi? |
| 18:57.19 | Neffi | Dagmar: I am his guardian |
| 18:57.25 | Dagmar | Mr_Rabies: If he does he'd need to call her every time |
| 18:57.26 | Neffi | And no he does not |
| 18:57.38 | Neffi | It would be a bitch for me to log in when I need to pay it and/or use the account if he did |
| 18:57.40 | Mr_Rabies | iirc it relaxes those restrictions if you have one attached |
| 18:57.55 | Shadowed | Tuller: All I know is I used to not need to configure OmniCC cause it did sizing properly on tiny aura frames and large action bar button ones |
| 18:58.00 | Dagmar | Neffi: Yes, that's actually fine. Blizz is very aware that there's minor children whose parents/guardians names are on the account |
| 18:58.03 | Shadowed | but someone changed something and caused that to not be true |
| 18:58.04 | Neffi | Dagmar: Him, dammit. I have a penis. |
| 18:58.05 | Shadowed | so I blame you :P |
| 18:58.19 | Dagmar | They've even got a special protocol for handling transferring ownership formally once that user hits their majority |
| 18:58.40 | Dagmar | I know this from a coworker of mine with kids who semi-recently turned 18 |
| 18:58.43 | Neffi | I know. The same happened with my mother's account when I turned 18. I took it over. |
| 18:58.50 | Dagmar | ...but usually both people aren't logging into the same account. |
| 18:59.17 | Neffi | The ToU stipulates that we are both allowed to. But this time it got locked because he logged in from a friend's house about 5 miles away. |
| 18:59.26 | Dagmar | What you're doing gets caught in the system because it's functionaly indistinguishable from someone stealing the sticky-note you have your password on, taking it home, and logging in at their house. |
| 18:59.34 | Neffi | Whenever he plays at one IP for a few weeks then logs in elsewhere, it gets locked |
| 18:59.34 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, an authenticator would likely help, neffi, but i believe the system kind of learns "safe" ips for your account over time |
| 18:59.49 | Dagmar | He's probably _actually logged in_ when you're logging in, which is why the system's going "OH SHIT" and locking the account |
| 19:00.00 | Neffi | Never. |
| 19:00.11 | Dagmar | He may just be sitting at the charselect screen having idle timed out |
| 19:00.11 | Neffi | I only log in when I know he's not using it (eg he's at school). |
| 19:00.24 | Neffi | The way I see it, it's his account. I use it if I need to, because I pay for it. |
| 19:00.33 | nevcairiel | and thats not allowed =p |
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| 19:00.39 | Dagmar | I'd ask him how he's logging out |
| 19:00.41 | Arrowmaster | yay "Evangelion 3.33 to be released on April 24 2013 on Blu-Ray and DVD." |
| 19:00.50 | Neffi | nevcairiel: I am his guardian. The ToU allows it. I just checked. |
| 19:00.55 | Dagmar | If he's letting it idle timeout, it doesn't fully log you out, it just puts you back to the character select screen |
| 19:01.19 | Dagmar | I get the feeling that if his client is in that state and you login from elsewhere, the system notices |
| 19:01.33 | Dagmar | Easy solution: Set him on fire. |
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| 19:01.47 | Neffi | I actually never have that issue. I've done it before and it just logs the previous client out. It's the IP difference that's doing it. |
| 19:02.20 | Neffi | But in either case I know he doesn't leave the client up. He plays on a laptop, and he knows that's not a good thing to do |
| 19:02.23 | Dagmar | ...and that you're clearly in two disparate locations |
| 19:03.17 | Neffi | But in this case, that's not what happened. He logged in from an IP that was only ~5 miles away from his own. In either case, this happens regularly when he moves from one house to another after staying for a few weeks. |
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| 19:05.14 | Mr_Rabies | ip geolocation is far from perfect |
| 19:05.26 | Mr_Rabies | my IP says i'm like 6 hours from where i am |
| 19:05.32 | Neffi | When I get past the wait times of the support line I'll see what they have to say |
| 19:05.47 | Mr_Rabies | they're probably gonna tell you to get an authenticator :p |
| 19:06.07 | Neffi | But I'm suspecting it'll be along the lines of "we sell this thing called an authenticator. we highly recommend it for your account's security" |
| 19:06.27 | Mr_Rabies | you could keep the authenticator at home and have him call you when he needs it, since logging into the actual game only needs an authenticator once a week or so unless set up otherwise |
| 19:06.36 | F16Gaming | i never quite understand why people use time as a way to measure distance :/ |
| 19:06.45 | nevcairiel | if you're switching locations, it'll require it more often |
| 19:06.53 | Mr_Rabies | because i have no clue how many miles it is, F16Gaming |
| 19:06.59 | Mr_Rabies | but i do know how long it takes to get there |
| 19:06.59 | Neffi | Problem is when he's at school and I want to run my alt through a dungeon, I wouldn't be able to. And if I held onto it, he wouldn't be able to log in half the time (mother's house, friend's house). |
| 19:06.59 | F16Gaming | google maps! :D |
| 19:07.12 | Neffi | I don't live with him at the moment |
| 19:07.14 | Mr_Rabies | too lazy and don't care enough, honestly |
| 19:07.36 | F16Gaming | i will assume a 6 hour flight with space shuttle |
| 19:07.41 | Neffi | F16Gaming: Time is just another dimension. =) |
| 19:08.06 | F16Gaming | i don't wanna think dimensions monday evening |
| 19:08.16 | Neffi | I don't think its much different than using a unit commonly associated with fluid to measure solid volume |
| 19:08.28 | nevcairiel | volume is volume |
| 19:08.35 | nevcairiel | time is not distance |
| 19:08.36 | nevcairiel | :p |
| 19:08.48 | Neffi | But most people understand the association |
| 19:08.57 | F16Gaming | !lua time == distance |
| 19:08.58 | batbot | F16Gaming: > true |
| 19:09.00 | Neffi | If it's 6 hours away, you assume by car. |
| 19:09.01 | F16Gaming | ! |
| 19:09.39 | F16Gaming | what if it's an old lady traveling at 20 km/h? |
| 19:10.18 | Neffi | You don't trust old, senile people |
| 19:11.00 | F16Gaming | Neffi is driving in his/her car at 20 km/h, after 6 hours (s)he reaches a location specified by a website, how far has (s)he traveled? |
| 19:11.24 | Neffi | 120 km |
| 19:11.55 | F16Gaming | !lua assert(120 == 20*6) |
| 19:11.55 | batbot | F16Gaming: > true |
| 19:12.00 | F16Gaming | you win |
| 19:12.29 | Mr_Rabies | i definitely prefer the gender neutral "they" to the awkwardness that is "(s)he" or "he or she" or pretty much any other alternative |
| 19:12.47 | F16Gaming | sweden made a new word for people who are neither "he" nor "she" |
| 19:13.05 | F16Gaming | silly country i live in |
| 19:13.32 | Mr_Rabies | made a new word? |
| 19:13.33 | jnwhiteh | F16Gaming: why is that silly? |
| 19:13.38 | Neffi | purl, Neffi is a man |
| 19:13.38 | purl | ...but neffi is already something else... |
| 19:13.44 | F16Gaming | Mr_Rabies: "Hen" |
| 19:13.55 | Neffi | purl, no, Neffi is a man |
| 19:13.55 | purl | okay, Neffi |
| 19:13.57 | tharper | F16Gaming: you don't like he? |
| 19:14.00 | tharper | F16Gaming: you don't like hen* |
| 19:14.06 | F16Gaming | i don't see a point |
| 19:14.17 | tharper | I think it feels weird to have to say "han" |
| 19:14.28 | tharper | since we don't use "de" the same way English uses "they" |
| 19:14.31 | Mr_Rabies | how did they make a new word? |
| 19:14.37 | F16Gaming | i believe it's fully correct to use "De" (They) for gender neutral in swedish |
| 19:14.40 | foxlit | Shadowed: basically, I want to display (sometimes modal) dialogs within a configuration frame, on top of any other content that frame happens to be showing at the time. |
| 19:14.41 | tharper | ? |
| 19:14.43 | Mr_Rabies | mandate for the government, or usage? |
| 19:14.47 | tharper | F16Gaming: citation needed |
| 19:14.47 | Mr_Rabies | from the government* |
| 19:14.58 | F16Gaming | :P |
| 19:15.15 | tharper | Also, people who capitalise Du need to be kicked in the genitals repeatedly |
| 19:15.17 | F16Gaming | Mr_Rabies: decided by the "swedish academy" iirc |
| 19:15.34 | Shadowed | foxlit: So why do you care about frame level, rather than just setting the strata higher? |
| 19:15.37 | Mr_Rabies | lingustic academies are a joke |
| 19:15.47 | tharper | has it been approved by svenska akademien? |
| 19:15.53 | F16Gaming | i believe it was |
| 19:16.12 | foxlit | Shadowed: because it's already very high in the strata hierarchy, and I'd prefer not to compound that problem. |
| 19:16.23 | F16Gaming | it's on NE at least: http://www.ne.se/hen/1826342 |
| 19:16.26 | Mr_Rabies | usage determines language, not some folks in a fancy office |
| 19:16.32 | Shadowed | foxlit: Is this for a library or within a config frame you control |
| 19:16.34 | tharper | yeah |
| 19:16.52 | tharper | it's not on saol.se |
| 19:17.12 | foxlit | Both; cake and eat it too. The short version is that if I eventually change my configuration frame layout, I don't want to have to go back to change the overlay code. |
| 19:17.21 | tharper | I didn't think that they had accepted it yet |
| 19:17.22 | F16Gaming | you would expect their academy to know how to update a website? |
| 19:17.33 | Humbedooh | hates "hen" :\ |
| 19:17.45 | Humbedooh | so swedish |
| 19:17.51 | Humbedooh | too swedish |
| 19:17.55 | Shadowed | foxlit: You're better off using strata |
| 19:18.03 | tharper | Humbedooh: haha, you just say "han" everywhere, and fuck the haters? |
| 19:18.16 | Humbedooh | tharper: or hun, I alternate! |
| 19:18.17 | foxlit | my only real strata option is to make it TOOLTIP |
| 19:18.21 | Shadowed | you'll save yourself way more headaches by using strata rather than trying to come up with this weird mix of bumping it up |
| 19:18.23 | Shadowed | so use TOOLTIP |
| 19:18.24 | tharper | Humbedooh: I hate that even more |
| 19:18.29 | Humbedooh | :D |
| 19:18.31 | tharper | I like the Icelandic tradition of matching the gender of the word |
| 19:18.40 | tharper | although it makes for really weird articles about the current prime minister... |
| 19:18.44 | Humbedooh | tharper: or "man" :) |
| 19:18.54 | tharper | yeah but you can't say like |
| 19:19.22 | tharper | "om en användare skulle ha ett problem kan man" |
| 19:19.34 | tharper | you have to say "kan han/hon/hen" |
| 19:19.43 | F16Gaming | and den/det |
| 19:19.48 | F16Gaming | it could be a dog reading it |
| 19:19.59 | Humbedooh | but hen just screams to the heavens that we need to be politically correct :\ |
| 19:20.05 | Unkle | Station. |
| 19:20.11 | tharper | Humbedooh: I think it depends on usage, tbh |
| 19:20.11 | F16Gaming | screw that |
| 19:20.17 | foxlit | Shadowed: that would appear on top of /everything/, which sucks. |
| 19:20.22 | F16Gaming | there was some good sketch from grotesco |
| 19:20.22 | tharper | I know some of the more radical people prefer to use it to "degenderise" language |
| 19:20.24 | tharper | which I don't like |
| 19:20.25 | F16Gaming | i think it was grotesco |
| 19:20.35 | tharper | but I don't mind using it in order to avoid choosing "han" or "hon" |
| 19:20.39 | F16Gaming | and it parodied the way we are so politically correct |
| 19:20.42 | tharper | I mean, you say you had political correctness, but you alternate =p |
| 19:20.43 | Shadowed | foxlit: If TOOLTIP is your option, odds are it will appear on top of everything already |
| 19:20.48 | F16Gaming | and that the people we are trying to be correct against don't really care |
| 19:21.05 | tharper | F16Gaming: I mean, there's nothing saying you can't say han instead =p |
| 19:21.26 | foxlit | Shadowed: I presume things like the pvp/pve queue popups are in DIALOG and are raised appropriately. |
| 19:21.45 | Shadowed | basically |
| 19:21.58 | Shadowed | you can either muck with the stratas which will give you a reliable and sane option |
| 19:22.03 | tharper | F16Gaming: I usually actually say han out of habit but I don't mind hen, I would consider using it in writing where the gender is hard to specify |
| 19:22.05 | Shadowed | or you can try and come up with some crazy wizardy with frame level |
| 19:22.07 | tharper | depending on register |
| 19:22.11 | Shadowed | which will probably not work or will be buggy |
| 19:22.25 | Humbedooh | tharper: what should I use to refer to you then? :p |
| 19:22.30 | tharper | han, tack =p |
| 19:22.38 | tharper | I am definitely a man, both in sex and gender, kthx |
| 19:22.39 | F16Gaming | or we can all switch to using a single language all over the world |
| 19:22.44 | tharper | F16Gaming: no thanks |
| 19:22.47 | F16Gaming | :( |
| 19:22.50 | tharper | That sounds boring |
| 19:22.50 | Shadowed | I'm not aware of any other real solutions |
| 19:22.58 | tharper | Also it won't work |
| 19:23.00 | Shadowed | but, what you're trying to do is more appropriate to use strata rather than frame level |
| 19:23.03 | Humbedooh | refrains from commenting further on that one |
| 19:23.27 | tharper | It seriously would never work out long term. Humans inherently divide the world into insiders and outsiders, and language differences are one of the strongest ways we do this |
| 19:23.34 | F16Gaming | tharper: well if we could at least make it a pre-requisite to know sufficient english before being granted access to interact with other beings over the internet |
| 19:23.39 | tharper | F16Gaming: why? |
| 19:23.51 | tharper | Why does English have a monopoly on the internet? |
| 19:24.03 | F16Gaming | more-so because i'm fed up with swedish friends directly translating english terms |
| 19:24.34 | tharper | lol I think it is cute |
| 19:24.53 | F16Gaming | but so annoying |
| 19:24.53 | tharper | was told to "be carefully" by a dude in Kiruna this weekend. |
| 19:25.01 | F16Gaming | it hurts my ears... eyes...? when i read it |
| 19:25.09 | tharper | Also he had the most norrländsk dialekt I have ever heard in person |
| 19:25.18 | Humbedooh | tharper: was he hot? |
| 19:25.24 | tharper | Humbedooh: LOL no |
| 19:25.27 | F16Gaming | everybody is hot in sweden |
| 19:25.29 | F16Gaming | didn't you know? |
| 19:25.30 | Humbedooh | that sometimes allows for a bit of leniency |
| 19:25.56 | tharper | Humbedooh: he was so norrländsk, though. Sinking snow mobiles, were NBD |
| 19:26.04 | tharper | also he said it was a bit warm that day |
| 19:26.06 | tharper | cuz it was -9 |
| 19:26.33 | Humbedooh | hah |
| 19:26.49 | tharper | I was like <3 people like you do exist outside of stereotypes |
| 19:27.10 | tharper | And also they provide all the manliness so us Stockholmers can be so gay |
| 19:27.17 | tharper | It evens out in the end, I think |
| 19:27.27 | Humbedooh | hah, not by a long shot! |
| 19:27.30 | Humbedooh | mikma: am I right?! |
| 19:27.44 | F16Gaming | norrlänning at -9: "It's warm". Brit at -9: "We must close all schools." |
| 19:27.44 | tharper | Humbedooh: quiet, you drunk hippie |
| 19:28.09 | mikma | humbedooh: tl;dr |
| 19:28.23 | tharper | runkkari |
| 19:29.04 | mikma | yes we are |
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| 19:29.47 | mikma | imma gonna put that in the finnish profanity and describe it as "Tom Harper" |
| 19:30.01 | tharper | LOL |
| 19:30.32 | tharper | Humbedooh: do you know that jnwhiteh can't ever say your username properly? |
| 19:30.40 | tharper | He HAS to be "humble-de-dooh" |
| 19:30.40 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 19:30.42 | Maldivia | -9... psh, that's nothing |
| 19:30.42 | jnwhiteh | i say it right |
| 19:30.44 | tharper | has to say |
| 19:30.45 | jnwhiteh | you spell it wrong |
| 19:30.45 | tharper | hehe |
| 19:31.02 | jnwhiteh | i know how to say it his 'misspelled' way |
| 19:31.06 | jnwhiteh | but mine is better |
| 19:31.15 | Humbedooh | tharper: that's still better than the usual British attempts at pronouncing it |
| 19:31.20 | tharper | haha |
| 19:31.29 | Humbedooh | humbe dooh they say |
| 19:31.30 | Maldivia | jnwhiteh: like your's is pronounceable :P |
| 19:31.36 | mikma | HUMBLE D'OH |
| 19:31.39 | jnwhiteh | j-n-white-h |
| 19:31.40 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 19:31.44 | mikma | no |
| 19:31.45 | Humbedooh | as in hyjmb duh :( |
| 19:31.46 | mikma | JIMBO |
| 19:31.48 | tharper | jnwhiteh: it's probably pronounced the way you say it anyway, it's just spelled funny cuz Humbedooh is a Dane |
| 19:31.52 | F16Gaming | hhjjjnnwhitie |
| 19:31.54 | jnwhiteh | jimw is already taken |
| 19:31.59 | jnwhiteh | by some asshole from the southern US |
| 19:32.01 | mikma | humbedooh: "hi i'm dumb"? |
| 19:32.05 | jnwhiteh | who hasn't been online for 6 years |
| 19:32.06 | Humbedooh | tharper: it's an onomatopoeia :| |
| 19:32.14 | mikma | jnwhiteh: you CAN reclaim those ... |
| 19:32.19 | tharper | Humbedooh: is the 'b' silent? |
| 19:32.23 | Humbedooh | tharper: NO! |
| 19:32.24 | tharper | that is something you Danes would do |
| 19:32.27 | tharper | like your nd and your ld |
| 19:32.32 | Humbedooh | but them british like to think it is |
| 19:32.32 | tharper | you cannot be trusted |
| 19:32.34 | jnwhiteh | but then i'd have to fight with https://twitter.com/jimw |
| 19:32.37 | jnwhiteh | etc. |
| 19:32.42 | Maldivia | jnwhiteh: shouldn't you have a2 in the nick as well ? :) |
| 19:32.48 | jnwhiteh | Maldivia: =) |
| 19:32.49 | tharper | can never get a consistent nick based on his name |
| 19:32.57 | tharper | sorry *hens name |
| 19:32.58 | Humbedooh | hum-buh-dooh |
| 19:33.13 | F16Gaming | tharper: its n ame* |
| 19:33.25 | Humbedooh | no legos for those who pronounce it wrong! >:C |
| 19:33.26 | tharper | is not a det |
| 19:33.29 | tharper | nor a den =p |
| 19:33.31 | F16Gaming | are too |
| 19:33.45 | Humbedooh | has 24 unopened boxes of lego sitting on his floor :| |
| 19:34.03 | tharper | is legit afraid to ask why. |
| 19:34.26 | mikma | tharper: halloween is coming and he wants all the best kids in his basement |
| 19:34.29 | Maldivia | I'm more afraid to ask how ong they've been there, and for how long they'll stay nopened |
| 19:34.39 | tharper | nopened! |
| 19:34.44 | tharper | I kind of like that word |
| 19:34.54 | tharper | sorry, we're nopen |
| 19:35.07 | tharper | we do love our portmanteaus in English |
| 19:35.19 | F16Gaming | kids... basement... |
| 19:35.32 | F16Gaming | nothing wrong there |
| 19:35.40 | Maldivia | tharper: a simple missing character, and you're off :P |
| 19:35.56 | tharper | speaking of which, I need more tea |
| 19:36.13 | Maldivia | you sure it's not just te? |
| 19:36.44 | tharper | det er han |
| 19:38.22 | tharper | (førdi te er hankjønn på nynorsk, favoritten Humbedoohs |
| 19:38.23 | tharper | ) |
| 19:38.34 | Maldivia | what kind of tea ? |
| 19:38.41 | tharper | blueberry rooibos |
| 19:40.02 | Humbedooh | that's not tea! |
| 19:40.09 | tharper | jo |
| 19:40.19 | Humbedooh | fake tea ;( |
| 19:40.45 | tharper | yea yea okay it's not mad from the right plant |
| 19:40.49 | tharper | to be "proper" tea |
| 19:40.55 | tharper | I also would like to sleep at some point tonight, kk? |
| 19:41.01 | Humbedooh | I'm sure jnwhiteh is sorely disappointed in you! |
| 19:41.29 | Mr_Rabies | i don't really understand the divide between tea infusions and other plant infusions |
| 19:41.32 | Maldivia | pshh... who cares if it's proper, as long as it tastes good |
| 19:41.42 | Humbedooh | never had any trouble with caffeine myself, so I can't really comment on tea on late nights |
| 19:41.48 | znf | Mr_Rabies, tea is tea, others are technically infusions. People just call them tea, whatever. |
| 19:41.59 | tharper | tisane is also a common word |
| 19:42.03 | Humbedooh | ... |
| 19:42.06 | Mr_Rabies | seems like a relic of "east india company" marketing that still exists to this day |
| 19:42.08 | Humbedooh | I was gonna mention tisane |
| 19:42.15 | tharper | sure you were |
| 19:42.18 | znf | Humbedooh, "theine" actually |
| 19:42.40 | Humbedooh | tharper: I was! 'cause that's what Hercule Poirot drinks! |
| 19:42.52 | tharper | lol |
| 19:42.56 | tharper | okay you are definitely gay |
| 19:43.14 | Humbedooh | four words; Rush home for Poirot |
| 19:43.15 | tharper | poirot references seem especially common among my gay British friends |
| 19:43.31 | Humbedooh | but I suppose you haven't watched Miranda... :( |
| 19:43.36 | Humbedooh | you should watch it! |
| 19:44.14 | Humbedooh | also, Poirot is awesome, so pfft |
| 19:45.04 | Humbedooh | one week till I hit the road to talk about Lua \o/ |
| 19:45.17 | tharper | ooh |
| 19:45.22 | tharper | whither are you going |
| 19:45.26 | Humbedooh | to Portland |
| 19:45.31 | tharper | Galois? |
| 19:45.39 | Humbedooh | I don't smoke that, no |
| 19:45.43 | tharper | lol |
| 19:45.53 | tharper | is that a thing? =p |
| 19:46.02 | Humbedooh | yes, that's a brand of cigarettes |
| 19:46.03 | tharper | only a Dane would assume any unknown word referred to weed |
| 19:46.08 | tharper | aha |
| 19:46.22 | tharper | I actually meant these peeps |
| 19:46.22 | tharper | http://corp.galois.com/ |
| 19:46.59 | Humbedooh | no, going to ApacheCon |
| 19:47.15 | Humbedooh | I'm neck deep in that foundation |
| 19:47.37 | Humbedooh | will probably meet breser there..?! |
| 19:51.53 | Maldivia | tharper: hmm, what about people who've read some of the agatha christie novels starring Hercule Poirot? |
| 19:53.39 | tharper | Maldivia: gayer than a christmas tree? |
| 19:55.00 | Maldivia | that's a funny expression... sin't a christmas tree somewhat asexual? |
| 19:55.53 | tharper | it's a play on the fact that a christmas tree is "gay" in the original sense of the world |
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| 19:55.55 | tharper | word* |
| 19:56.19 | Maldivia | yeah ok |
| 19:59.56 | Thunder_Child | I didn't think a tree had emotions |
| 20:00.56 | tharper | I'm not prepared to enter that philosophical minefield |
| 20:01.01 | tharper | however it is not necessary =p |
| 20:01.05 | tharper | gay can also mean "Festive" |
| 20:01.15 | bleeter | I dunno, I've got this bit of wood that seems pretty emotional |
| 20:01.23 | tharper | lol wtf |
| 20:01.28 | tharper | "(obsolete) Sexually promiscuous (of either gender)." |
| 20:01.31 | tharper | citation needed, wiktionary |
| 20:01.38 | Thunder_Child | we don't want to talk about your emo penis bleeter |
| 20:01.40 | tharper | oh |
| 20:01.43 | tharper | it has several |
| 20:01.44 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: :( |
| 20:01.57 | Thunder_Child | it's cut's itself and wears all black |
| 20:02.01 | Thunder_Child | it* |
| 20:02.04 | Thunder_Child | cuts* |
| 20:02.21 | Thunder_Child | and take that how you will |
| 20:03.57 | Maldivia | tharper: I for some reason always think of the movie Victor/Victoria when thinking of the original sense of the word |
| 20:05.14 | Humbedooh | gay paris! |
| 20:05.28 | Maldivia | exactly :P |
| 20:06.15 | Maldivia | love that movie |
| 20:06.32 | Humbedooh | is compelled to watch Le Jazz Hot |
| 20:06.46 | Maldivia | watching it right now, hehehe |
| 20:08.21 | Maldivia | althougth Robert Preston's rendition of the shady dame from seville at the end is also funny as hell :P |
| 20:09.26 | Humbedooh | hah indeed |
| 20:10.25 | Humbedooh | also, it's always fun to see Gimli as a regular human being ;) |
| 20:11.09 | Adys | uhm |
| 20:11.17 | Adys | how do I enter hour of twilight without the dungeon finder? |
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| 20:11.37 | Maldivia | john rhys davies are in plenty of movies |
| 20:14.48 | Humbedooh | yes yes, but from 2000ish and onwards he was and will be a dorf :p |
| 20:15.37 | Maldivia | Adys: isn't it in CoT? |
| 20:15.57 | Adys | Maldivia: dont i have to go through the previous 2 instances first tho? |
| 20:16.38 | Maldivia | think they have seperate portals |
| 20:16.48 | Maldivia | Humbedooh: hmm, I remember him rom the untouchables |
| 20:17.58 | Adys | ah yeah |
| 20:18.01 | Adys | they have separate ones |
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| 21:15.39 | Semlar | anyone know if it's possible to check if two different spells provide the same buff without creating your own table |
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| 21:32.13 | Eridius | Semlar: well, you could write a natural language parser that tries to understand the text of the tooltip and decide if the effects are the same... ;) |
| 21:32.21 | Eridius | but in general, no I don't think there's a way to do that |
| 21:32.42 | Semlar | yeah i think the tooltip text is too unreliable to do that |
| 21:33.06 | Eridius | well that and NLP is an extremely hard problem domain |
| 21:33.27 | Semlar | and it would only work for that localization |
| 21:34.09 | Eridius | pfft, who cares about people who speak diff'rent than us? |
| 21:34.14 | Semlar | yeah! |
| 21:43.13 | VIad | hi Semlar |
| 21:43.22 | Semlar | hi vlad |
| 21:43.41 | VIad | made my first Zend2 page, using a framework for the first time - was weird |
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| 21:50.05 | Neffi | 5.2 got pushed back to Mar 5? |
| 21:50.21 | VIad | Neffi: :D |
| 21:50.33 | VIad | how big is the dev team now, 20 people? |
| 21:50.38 | VIad | was like 100 before |
| 21:52.18 | Neffi | I'm pretty sure they have more than 20 just on the server team |
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| 21:57.31 | foxlit | Shadowed: so, setting the frame's strata to TOOLTIP breaks dropdown menus. |
| 21:59.44 | kd3 | wow. a long maintenance window tomorrow |
| 21:59.56 | Semlar | you got to maintain |
| 22:00.54 | foxlit | But since nobody knows wtf Raise/Lower/SetToplevel actually do, it's probably possible to use DIALOG instead and cross fingers hoping that nobody raises the InterfaceOptionsFrame like libbetterblizzoptions did. |
| 22:03.08 | Fisker | i once maintained a window myself kd3 |
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| 22:08.42 | zenzelezz | "Since the upgrade to youtube's layout, the ability to rearrange videos in the watch later playlist has been removed. "... Youtube is doing the reverse-progress thing again |
| 22:09.13 | Amarande | sooo ... longer than normal maintenance tonight |
| 22:09.20 | Amarande | they dropping 5.2 a week earlier than expected? |
| 22:09.26 | kd3 | no |
| 22:09.26 | Amarande | or is this the arena season maintenance? |
| 22:09.56 | kd3 | they'll give a 2 week warning for the end of the arena season - it's just a long maintenance window |
| 22:10.05 | Amarande | zenzelezz: indeed, they should be calling it an update, not an upgrade |
| 22:13.21 | Fisker | they also removed decent filtering in search results zenzelezz |
| 22:13.30 | Fisker | though i'm not sure if that was particular to this update though |
| 22:13.34 | Fisker | but definitely annoying |
| 22:14.15 | zenzelezz | yeah |
| 22:15.43 | Amarande | Fisker: you mean youtube ever had decent filtering of search results? |
| 22:15.54 | Amarande | never seemed like it to me ROFL |
| 22:16.20 | Fisker | well before you could atleast do shit like "Posted within last week, sort by most viewed" |
| 22:16.25 | Fisker | now you can only do one or the other |
| 22:20.10 | zenzelezz | they also don't have such a difficult-to-make feature as "don't loop playlist" |
| 22:21.09 | Fisker | Funny, since they don't have such a difficult-to-make feature as loop youtube video |
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| 22:21.47 | Fisker | yay |
| 22:21.52 | Fisker | i got offered work |
| 22:21.57 | Fisker | $100 an hour |
| 22:22.01 | Fisker | 2-3 hours a week |
| 22:22.08 | Fisker | this gives me 3000 euro a month apparently |
| 22:22.32 | Fisker | not sure how that math works out for them |
| 22:23.32 | Amarande | ah, usually I'm searching for videos by what they are, not the date |
| 22:23.43 | Fisker | that was an example |
| 22:23.45 | Amarande | then again, given that mostly when I go to YouTube I'm looking for LPs, I guess it's easy to find what I want :) |
| 22:23.57 | Fisker | but sometimes it's good to have the current videos on a certain subject |
| 22:24.12 | Fisker | like instead of seeing some popular video made 5 years ago i might want to see one made within the last week |
| 22:24.58 | Amarande | I'd probably also like to find, if there is one, a Let's Play of this one particular game that's not in German. LOL |
| 22:27.42 | Arrowmaster | http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/18raep/every_time_i_pulled_in_to_my_drive_way_i_would_be/c8hbh79?context=1 |
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| 22:35.07 | Neffi | Fisker: $100 USD? |
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| 22:53.38 | VIad | Semlar: http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/523561 :3 |
| 22:57.44 | Semlar | VIad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5fdSkeZ7wM |
| 22:59.25 | VIad | Semlar: gansta |
| 22:59.28 | VIad | gangsta* |
| 23:00.10 | Semlar | thug life |
| 23:01.25 | VIad | living in oslo |
| 23:01.28 | VIad | street life so hard |
| 23:12.31 | Unkle | My life is so difficult; I'm about to have to go taste a bunch of wine just because my bosses think I should know what our product tastes like. |
| 23:14.07 | kd3 | oh no |
| 23:14.12 | kd3 | what a horrible thing for them to do |
| 23:14.20 | kd3 | it's inhumane is what it is |
| 23:15.58 | Unkle | Downright cruel. |
| 23:16.48 | Unkle | I felt it required some research on my part beforehand. So I would have half a clue what the words he'd be using meant. |
| 23:16.57 | Mr_Rabies | i'm probably gonna start making my own wine pretty soon |
| 23:17.19 | Mr_Rabies | i made some cider, which is pretty close, and that was way, way easier than beer |
| 23:18.17 | Unkle | Let me know how it goes. I'm curious. :) |
| 23:19.42 | Mr_Rabies | the cider was pretty good, though i'm sure fresh-pressed would be better |
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| 23:21.02 | Mr_Rabies | started with commercial standard cheapo 100% apple juice from concentrate and it turned out quite tasty |
| 23:21.20 | Unkle | Apples ferment well. Lots of sugar. :) |
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| 23:23.47 | Mr_Rabies | i threw a decent amount of sugar in for a little more potency, too |
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| 23:27.04 | Unkle | Ciao. |
| 23:28.48 | VIad | Semlar: give me an idea, some project I can work on? website, gonna try using zend2 framework for it, so don't make the challenge too hard, yet not too easy :P |
| 23:28.53 | VIad | gimme an idea of what to make |
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| 23:32.02 | VIad | I'll make a pokemon GTS server :P |
| 23:38.01 | Semlar|Laptop | make something you want to use |
| 23:38.48 | Thunder_Child | He can't make a woman |
| 23:38.57 | VIad | SNAP |
| 23:39.09 | Semlar|Laptop | not with that attitude |
| 23:39.38 | VIad | I can put lipstick on my hand and a wig |
| 23:40.10 | Thunder_Child | why would you put lipstick on a wig? |
| 23:40.18 | VIad | on my hand |
| 23:40.41 | Thunder_Child | also wouldnt that be an akward way to use said extremity? |
| 23:40.48 | VIad | noooo |
| 23:41.33 | Thunder_Child | awkward* |
| 23:42.27 | xyphoid | clearly it's to simulate lipstick + beard |
| 23:42.32 | VIad | :P |
| 23:42.43 | VIad | I like bearded girls |
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| 23:44.20 | VIad | Thunder_Child and xyphoid what do you code webpages in? |
| 23:45.46 | xyphoid | php at our end |
| 23:46.11 | xyphoid | most of my coding at work is screwing with magento extensions these days |
| 23:46.12 | Thunder_Child | html, but then i do internal data displays only |
| 23:46.53 | VIad | but, any framework? |
| 23:47.02 | Thunder_Child | not for me |
| 23:47.14 | VIad | but writing html directly with no dynamic updating? |
| 23:47.30 | Thunder_Child | it's with python |
| 23:47.42 | VIad | so you do it like that, like cached |
| 23:47.48 | Thunder_Child | python does the data pulling, html does the displaying |
| 23:47.52 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 23:48.10 | VIad | so you python |
| 23:48.24 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 23:48.41 | VIad | either the page is generated each viewing or you use a program to save the contents to a html file for viewing |
| 23:49.02 | Thunder_Child | on launch generation with sql side caching |
| 23:49.03 | VIad | the output is always html sure, but you use some language to make the html :P |
| 23:49.06 | VIad | I see |
| 23:49.11 | VIad | any framework or no? |
| 23:49.11 | Thunder_Child | and the python db has it's own caching |
| 23:49.14 | Thunder_Child | nope |
| 23:49.23 | VIad | aren't frameworks handy tough? |
| 23:49.27 | Thunder_Child | i write the html directly |
| 23:49.30 | Thunder_Child | meh |
| 23:49.37 | Thunder_Child | the stuff i do is not complicated |
| 23:49.49 | VIad | :D |
| 23:50.56 | VIad | writing with a framework becomes like coding wow addons |
| 23:51.25 | VIad | you have your widgets/classes and other stuff you can use for tasks, hopefully saving you some work like checking data - instead you specify models and such |
| 23:51.32 | VIad | kind of neat if you ask me |
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| 23:58.50 | VIad | going to bed soon Semlar, wanna chat or not tonight? |
