| 00:00.09 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: just roll your own :) |
| 00:00.11 | Arrowmaster | 3.0 -> 3.5 -> Pathfinder is all kinds of skill modifications |
| 00:00.22 | Amarande | APU, microATX board, small form factor set-top friendly case |
| 00:00.36 | Mr_Rabies | Amarande: i would, but I'm having a heck of a time finding out how performance is on any of these |
| 00:00.46 | Amarande | just make sure you snag Windows 7 and not 8, because 8 is apparently not as good for HTPC |
| 00:00.53 | Amarande | due to the phasing out of Media Centre, particularly |
| 00:01.12 | Arrowmaster | 8 is not good for anything that doesnt have a touchscreen |
| 00:01.24 | Amarande | I'm using 8, it works pretty well |
| 00:01.33 | Mr_Rabies | are there any sites that benchmark htpc-level hardware? |
| 00:01.55 | Mr_Rabies | i really need something that can play 10 bit video smoothly |
| 00:02.12 | Arrowmaster | tomshardware used to do htpc motherboard reviews i think |
| 00:02.18 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: check CPU benchmark sites for their ratings of the AMD APUs, particularly |
| 00:02.22 | Amarande | that's probably what you want for an HTPC |
| 00:02.26 | Mr_Rabies | tomshardware is such a mess now |
| 00:02.31 | Arrowmaster | cpu wise its the same as a regular pc if you are using a regular cpu |
| 00:02.38 | Mr_Rabies | i usually wouldn't go with amd but it seems like a decent option |
| 00:02.53 | Amarande | I like AMD, they're more than good enough and they also tend to be a lot more stable than Intel |
| 00:03.10 | Amarande | as I've mentioned several times before, Intel tends to be very finicky with certain things, especially RAM |
| 00:03.47 | Mr_Rabies | eh, i've yet to have problems with intel and ram, but i don't buy boards from msi/asus |
| 00:03.59 | Mr_Rabies | those have awful ram compatibility profiles and always have |
| 00:04.14 | Mr_Rabies | and i've had exactly the opposite experience with amd |
| 00:04.29 | Mr_Rabies | they run hotter, are less stable, and are a worse price:performance ratio at the mid-to-high end |
| 00:04.57 | Amarande | heh. it was actually a major shock to have bad RAM issues with an ASUS board |
| 00:05.19 | Amarande | I had used an ASUS board previously (although an AMD based one, this was my first time using an Intel based one) and it was very trouble-free with RAM |
| 00:05.35 | Amarande | well, except for one time, but that was because one of the DIMMs was actually bad :P |
| 00:05.57 | Mr_Rabies | well, i've seen probably 50-60 asus boards with memory issues |
| 00:06.10 | Amarande | (pretty sure there isn't a such thing as a mobo that makes faulty RAM work properly, although there's certainly plenty that make OK ram work faultily :P) |
| 00:06.24 | Mr_Rabies | using ram that's from good manufacturers that's worked 100% of the time in boards from gigabyte, intel, foxconn, etc |
| 00:06.55 | Amarande | however, my previous board that I'd tried with the same Intel CPU and the same RAM had RAM-related issues too |
| 00:07.17 | Amarande | it just wasn't quite as severe (with the Intel brand board it would just go to startup repair almost every cold boot, while with the ASUS board I would be lucky to POST) |
| 00:07.17 | Mr_Rabies | with gigabyte, intel, and foxconn, i've never even bothered looking at compatibility lists and have yet to have had a problem |
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| 00:07.26 | Mr_Rabies | what brand of ram? |
| 00:07.29 | Amarande | Corsair |
| 00:07.30 | Mr_Rabies | i think we discussed this before |
| 00:07.31 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 00:07.38 | Mr_Rabies | i dunno, ram still could be faulty |
| 00:08.01 | Amarande | but, when I switched to an AMD Phenom II X6 1045T and a Gigabyte 970A-DS3, the very same RAM worked perfectly |
| 00:08.07 | Amarande | gave it about 25 hours memtest, just to be sure |
| 00:08.09 | Amarande | no errors |
| 00:08.22 | Amarande | had one glitch with a registry corruption about a month ago, but thinking it was malware |
| 00:08.57 | Mr_Rabies | that still points towards faulty ram |
| 00:09.05 | Amarande | Thankfully W8 is a lot more robust with system recovery than 7 |
| 00:09.12 | Mr_Rabies | or even faulty psu, if you're using the same psu |
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| 00:09.25 | Amarande | changed the PSU, actually |
| 00:09.40 | Mr_Rabies | memtest isn't exactly infallible, there are certainly better tools out there |
| 00:09.44 | Mr_Rabies | but you gotta pay for 'em :p |
| 00:09.46 | Amarande | the Intel issues were with the RAM, but it turned out to be a "does not play well with others" problem rather than actual faults with any of the memory |
| 00:10.02 | Mr_Rabies | and they're not cheap |
| 00:10.03 | Amarande | It worked like this ... I had three pairs of DIMMs on hand. All of them the same voltage, speeds, and manufacturer |
| 00:10.16 | Amarande | also all of them the same size |
| 00:10.29 | Amarande | Any ONE pair I put in the Intel board and it would work perfectly. It did not matter which. |
| 00:10.41 | Amarande | Any TWO pairs I put in the Intel board, though, and I would be lucky to get it to POST |
| 00:10.49 | Amarande | oh, by Intel board here I mean the ASUS board, actually, but the one for the Intel CPU |
| 00:11.00 | Amarande | Again, it did not matter which two pairs were used |
| 00:11.10 | Mr_Rabies | i've seen so many asus boards with all sorts of issues |
| 00:11.15 | Mr_Rabies | i'd never recommend anyone ever get one |
| 00:11.21 | Amarande | Two pairs in the Gigabyte board with AMD processor, though, and no detectable RAM issues at all |
| 00:11.52 | Amarande | given that it was going from "wouldn't even POST" to "no detectable issues" with the mobo/CPU change |
| 00:11.57 | Mr_Rabies | i did full-time pc repair for almost 3 years and i don't think i saw more than a handful of asus boards without some kind of weird, mysterious issue |
| 00:11.59 | Amarande | and the fact that *any* one pair worked fine |
| 00:12.13 | Mr_Rabies | that's how it's always been for me using nothing but intel boards for system builds |
| 00:12.27 | Amarande | I'm very much guessing it was a compatibility issue between the Intel CPU and/or ASUS board, and the two pairs of RAM |
| 00:12.33 | Mr_Rabies | probably 100+ system builds without bothering to look up compatibility charts |
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| 00:13.08 | Amarande | apparently, for the ASUS/Intel setup you pretty much have to buy *all four* sticks at the same time |
| 00:13.13 | Amarande | even if they're all the same spec and manufacturer |
| 00:13.27 | Amarande | AMD is a good bit less finicky with that |
| 00:13.36 | Mr_Rabies | i doubt it's an intel issue |
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| 00:13.39 | Mr_Rabies | more of an asus issue |
| 00:14.14 | Amarande | possibly, though the Intel branded board I had used previously also was exhibiting memory compatibility issues |
| 00:14.23 | Mr_Rabies | i've never seen an issue like the one you've said other than with boards by manufacturers like asus/msi |
| 00:15.02 | Amarande | it was less severe though, Linux would boot without a hitch, although Windows would keep choking trying to verify the boot kernel files and insist on going to Startup Repair every cold boot, sometimes with nasty consequences |
| 00:15.51 | Primer | I'm RMAing an Asus board I have that is totally unstable with 4 sticks in it |
| 00:15.52 | Amarande | (one time I installed 7, got most of my games and such installed on it, shut it down because I was going to be on holiday that weekend, came home and rebooted, it choked on the boot kernel files & startup repair happily reverted me to BEFORE I INSTALLED ANY APPLICATIONS AT ALL *shakes fist*) |
| 00:16.14 | Mr_Rabies | asus and msi thrive on sales from good benchmark testing |
| 00:16.15 | Amarande | but the ASUS board was much worse, usually failing to even POST when started up |
| 00:16.26 | Amarande | and anything that put heavy strain on the RAM would cause it to shut off and then fail to POST |
| 00:16.33 | Mr_Rabies | but in real usage they have all kinds of horrible problems |
| 00:17.00 | Amarande | an endgame tablebase experiment in Linux proved it wasn't just Windows, too |
| 00:17.28 | Amarande | I used this chess database generator thing in order to strain the RAM and CPU, because I didn't want to set up mprime every boot |
| 00:17.29 | Primer | yeah, it was definitely hardware for me too, as Linux would crash too |
| 00:17.47 | Amarande | particularly since my knoppix disc doesn't seem to have the right version of Java, so mprime would have required a 100MB or so download for Java every time too :| |
| 00:17.59 | Amarande | while the tablebase generator is just as rough on RAM and is only about a 1MB download |
| 00:18.02 | Primer | bah, java |
| 00:18.11 | Amarande | yeah, mprime needs java |
| 00:18.45 | Amarande | I'm pretty sure the registry thing was malware |
| 00:18.50 | Amarande | probably, actually, because of ... java, heh |
| 00:19.11 | Amarande | given that Oracle pretty much dropped the ball all the way into the very bowels of hell the last few java releases :| |
| 00:20.04 | Amarande | and several of them put some rather nasty aces in the hands of malware writers, if you get my pun :P |
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| 00:21.54 | Amarande | (aces. ACEs. Arbitrary Code Exploits. :P) |
| 00:22.03 | Primer | obscure... |
| 00:22.38 | Amarande | also, malware would probably explain just *how* the system went to hash |
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| 00:23.05 | Primer | If you're blaming java, then you probably had a java browser plugin |
| 00:23.16 | Primer | something I've done without for...many years now |
| 00:23.17 | Amarande | That night, I decided to reboot my machine, as I had had an issue that crops up time and again with Windows 8 where the music app fails to continue to play when you alt-tab out of it |
| 00:23.32 | Amarande | as it was trying to shut down, it kept complaining of an app preventing the system from shutting down |
| 00:23.50 | Amarande | then that went away, and then came back a couple more times and went away again, then it rebooted |
| 00:24.00 | Primer | That's likely just windows being windows |
| 00:24.04 | Amarande | then I got the ominous "Preparing Automatic Repair" on boot, and found out that the registry was corrupted |
| 00:24.31 | Amarande | another reason to suspect malware rather than the RAM: when it was the RAM acting up, the repair reason was a claim that ntoskrnl.exe and/or ntfs.sys were corrupt |
| 00:24.44 | Primer | I've learned that it's easier to blame windows for sucking than it is to think it's malware |
| 00:24.46 | Amarande | this has not been the case with the computer since going to the AMD processor |
| 00:25.04 | Amarande | the stuck app did not have a visible name, just an icon |
| 00:25.49 | Amarande | the good thing about 8 is that you don't have to reinstall Windows when this happens, and that Windows Store apps and all files in your user folder are preserved |
| 00:26.09 | Amarande | the bad thing is that everything that *isn't* from the Store gets uninstalled |
| 00:26.35 | Amarande | actually it gets moved to the Windows.old folder but a lot of programs you can't just recover straight from there, you have to go through their installation procedure again :( |
| 00:26.51 | Amarande | that's one thing I'll really hand to Blizz. WoW is a very resilient app when it comes to backup restoration :) |
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| 00:27.08 | Amarande | it's pretty much just move back to the desired folder & go |
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| 00:28.33 | Amarande | and yes, I had a Java browser plugin, I suspect that was a malware vector |
| 00:28.45 | Primer | It's sad that windows has to resort to that to save itself |
| 00:29.10 | Primer | I've never had a Linux box that's blown up that I couldn't recover |
| 00:29.52 | Primer | For example, I have root fs images of working servers, and their configuration files are in a repo |
| 00:30.05 | Xuerian | Amarande: That's what mounting the old hives is for :p |
| 00:30.13 | Primer | and scripts that can put everything into place upon booting a new machine |
| 00:31.05 | Amarande | yeah, the registry mainly, to my understanding, exists for two specific design reasons |
| 00:31.22 | Primer | 1) "Generate support tickets" |
| 00:31.29 | Primer | 2) ... Profit! |
| 00:31.35 | Amarande | one, the hive structure supposedly is supposed to give faster performance than an /etc style structure |
| 00:31.44 | Primer | pfft |
| 00:31.51 | Primer | I don't buy that |
| 00:31.58 | Primer | as config shit is read once at the start |
| 00:32.04 | Amarande | not sure in what percentage of cases it's true, but, that's DEFINITELY not something worth sacrificing stability for, especially now |
| 00:32.05 | Primer | and then it's in memory |
| 00:32.31 | Primer | and if your runtime shit's in the registry, then you're just stupid |
| 00:32.42 | Primer | and deserve whatever happens |
| 00:33.21 | Amarande | two, because Microsoft is absolutely dedicated to making sure everything in Windows works with Unicode |
| 00:33.31 | Amarande | old school .INI files weren't compatible with that |
| 00:34.43 | Amarande | also, something to do with security paradigms |
| 00:35.04 | Amarande | mainly the fact that .INI files can only have one set of security settings for the whole file, rather than the key-by-key settings of the registry |
| 00:35.55 | Amarande | and that there's data loss issues possible if two programs try to write to a .ini file at the same time, apparently |
| 00:38.05 | Primer | Naw, I think they basically painted themselves into a corner |
| 00:38.17 | Amarande | http://blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2007/11/26/6523907.aspx is Microsoft's explanation, anyway |
| 00:38.19 | Primer | and it's too late to concede that it was a very bad idea |
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| 00:44.07 | Amarande | but let's put it this way ... if the registry craps itself again anytime soon, I think I'll install Linux and go lock my Windows DVDs somewhere safe and remote like my work locker so they're there if I really really need them but I'm not tempted to install it again anytime soon. :P |
| 00:46.14 | Primer | All I use windows for is gaming |
| 00:46.54 | Primer | So for me "restoring" a windows box is just a re-install of the OS and putting the games back |
| 00:48.03 | Primer | All my serious shit is on Linux machines, with all important crap backed up redundantly |
| 00:51.09 | Rythal | I wasn't aware windows had any use beyond gaming |
| 00:51.30 | TC-work | PS |
| 00:51.37 | Amarande | media, mostly |
| 00:51.44 | Amarande | e.g., you can't use netflix at all on Linux |
| 00:52.03 | Arrowmaster | you can actually |
| 00:52.07 | TC-work | emulating CSx on linux is no good |
| 00:52.18 | Arrowmaster | CSx? |
| 00:52.31 | Arrowmaster | adobe? |
| 00:52.33 | Amarande | and H.264 based video basically means you either have to use the flash plugin (which is being phased out), use Chrome (not the open source Chromium but the closed source official Chrome, which has a built-in Flash plugin with H.264 support), or be in a country where software patents are properly regarded as bogus :P |
| 00:52.42 | TC-work | yes |
| 00:52.48 | Rythal | erm... yeah, netflix is on linux |
| 00:52.58 | Arrowmaster | barely on linux |
| 00:53.02 | Arrowmaster | but it is |
| 00:53.17 | Rythal | works fine for me integrated into xbmc |
| 00:53.51 | Arrowmaster | oh no clue about that but there is a new highly patched version of wine that will run netflix |
| 00:54.00 | Amarande | ah, that's something new |
| 00:54.11 | Amarande | the problem was you couldn't run DRM protected Silverlight on Linux at all, which is what netflix uses |
| 00:54.20 | Amarande | MS won't let the open source Moonlight support it |
| 00:54.32 | Arrowmaster | moonlight is dead |
| 00:54.45 | Amarande | and Silverlight itself is so Windows-intimate that even the abject resource of installing a Windows browser and the Windows Silverlight under Wine generally fails |
| 00:54.56 | Arrowmaster | the drm wasnt even an issue yet, first moonlight would have to support the newer version of silverlight used by netflix |
| 00:55.15 | Rythal | it still needs DRM protected silverlight... people have hacked together a wine program called netflix desktop |
| 00:55.42 | Jamash | run netflix for wii in dolphin |
| 00:55.45 | Arrowmaster | yeah that runs a windows version of firefox in wine with silverlight |
| 00:56.04 | Jamash | is so helpful. |
| 00:56.48 | Amarande | I suppose I could just set up netflix on my PS3 |
| 00:56.51 | Rythal | and CS... well.. yeah still no support for that really, but I vmware it |
| 00:56.54 | Amarande | but, really, I'm starting to think maybe I should just cancel it |
| 00:57.03 | Amarande | it's been literally ages since I watched anything on netflix :S |
| 00:57.13 | Jamash | if you have a PS3' I would suggest doing that, yes |
| 00:57.37 | Amarande | between all the time I spend on WoW and the fact that for about a month and a half I was wrassling with above-mentioned stupid ASUS board and its RAM woes |
| 00:59.20 | Rythal | see... for me I use netflix like crazy, just because of all the time I spend on WoW... |
| 00:59.39 | Rythal | raiding, sitting in queue's, netflix is great for killing the boredom |
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| 01:01.21 | Primer | Last time I watched something on netflix was in Linux...on my android phone :) |
| 01:01.27 | Primer | Over 3G, no less |
| 01:02.04 | Amarande | I think it would be dangerous to use netflix while in queues |
| 01:02.13 | Jamash | is there anyone in this channel that would continue to run windows if their major games and apps were available on linux? |
| 01:02.31 | Amarande | That's just asking to miss your queue while something exciting is going on :P |
| 01:02.35 | Primer | I most certainly would not |
| 01:02.43 | Jamash | I'm going to guess that the answe is "no" |
| 01:02.45 | Amarande | I would drop Windows like a burning ember :P |
| 01:02.51 | Rythal | naw... i'm pretty good at watching tv out of the corner of my eye while coding or watching wow :P |
| 01:03.05 | Rythal | like right now... i'm watching Dredd while chatting lol |
| 01:03.09 | Jamash | I listen to podcasts while playing wow |
| 01:03.26 | Amarande | Mind you, if Windows acquired overnight all the stability and security of Linux, it might make me stop wanting to use Linux, but we all know that's even less likely. :) |
| 01:03.30 | Primer | Jamash: Was it you who said you use keepass2? |
| 01:03.35 | Jamash | yes |
| 01:03.37 | Primer | keep ass |
| 01:03.49 | Jamash | Amarande: hahahahahahahahahaha |
| 01:03.58 | Primer | Do you know if there's a way to make it detect when WoW starts and show the window? |
| 01:04.07 | Primer | I dislike having to press ctrl-alt-a every time |
| 01:04.35 | Jamash | I don't think so built in |
| 01:04.43 | Rythal | even if windows gained all that i'd still prefer linux, just purely for the cmd line >< I hate windows cmd, feels so clunky |
| 01:04.44 | Jamash | there might be a plugin |
| 01:04.56 | Amarande | Yay. FINALLY got felsteel boomstick |
| 01:04.59 | Amarande | only 18 more engi recipes to go |
| 01:05.02 | Jamash | grarts |
| 01:05.06 | Amarande | ... all of which are gonna suck. Hard. :| |
| 01:05.15 | Jamash | yay engineering |
| 01:05.26 | Primer | My 10 man raid has about 6 engineers |
| 01:05.30 | Jamash | the tradeskill that's like a second job but less rewarding |
| 01:05.36 | Amarande | let's see, what do I have left |
| 01:05.37 | Primer | "Hey, anyone got a Jeeves?" 6 Jeeves appear |
| 01:06.01 | Rythal | ours is up to 4... all for that damn glider toy |
| 01:06.15 | Jamash | I picked up engineering on my mage ;_; |
| 01:06.53 | Jamash | little did I relize that being an engineer is just like multiclassing into mage |
| 01:07.22 | Primer | I love the glider |
| 01:07.25 | Jamash | so now my mage can teleport, slow fall, and blow stuff up (yay?) |
| 01:07.29 | Amarande | Flame Deflector, Craftsman's Monocle, Flash Bomb, Sniper Scope, Lifelike Mechanical Toad, Major Recombobulator, Hyper-Radiant Flame Reflector, Voice Amplification Modulator, Arcane Bomb, Biznicks whatever it is Accurascope, Core Marksman Rifle, Flawless Arcanite Rifle, Crashin' Thrashin' Robot, Purple Smoke Flare, Power Amplification Goggles, Mana Potion Injector, Elemental Seaforium Charge, & Extreme-Impact Hole Puncher. |
| 01:07.35 | Amarande | that's what's left. |
| 01:07.38 | Jamash | Geseundheit. |
| 01:07.42 | Amarande | like I said, this is gonna suck, heh |
| 01:08.13 | Jamash | but now it's too late to change |
| 01:08.24 | Amarande | most of those are either world drops, high rep grinds (revered consortium, and however long you have to do molten front to get the hole puncher) |
| 01:08.32 | Amarande | or at the end of Gnomeregan. |
| 01:08.35 | Jamash | unless they make leveling engineering 3x faster |
| 01:08.37 | Amarande | gah, Gnomeregan |
| 01:09.04 | Jamash | heh, gnomer |
| 01:10.14 | Jamash | back when blizzard's instance design philosophy was "SUCK IT" |
| 01:10.51 | Jamash | DISMISS YOUR PETS |
| 01:10.55 | smcn | well they're on track to have redesigned every old instance by 8.0 |
| 01:11.03 | Jamash | hooray |
| 01:11.18 | Jamash | this is when dismissing your pet cost money |
| 01:11.36 | Jamash | or rather, a reagent (food) |
| 01:11.39 | smcn | i haven't played a hunter since vanilla |
| 01:11.50 | Jamash | it's so much better now |
| 01:11.54 | Jamash | night and day |
| 01:12.16 | Amarande | it's been way better since wrath, actually |
| 01:12.22 | Amarande | once they introduced the Glyph of Never Needing Pet Food Again |
| 01:13.03 | smcn | hunters were essentially responsible for armor pen being removed at the end of wrath right? |
| 01:13.19 | Rythal | I miss pet food, and happiness, and teaching your pet skills it was like playing tamagotchi >< and I was way more attached to my pet |
| 01:13.36 | Jamash | no more (ammo, pet food, happiness, dead zone, minimum range, MANA, standing still to do anything useful, running up to things to drop traps)... |
| 01:13.36 | Amarande | smcn: from what I heard, it was more an effort to simplify stats |
| 01:13.41 | Amarande | they felt there were too many secondary stats |
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| 01:14.09 | Jamash | armor pen was inherently unbalanced so they ditched it |
| 01:14.29 | smcn | i remember playing a hunter when you did a quest to learn pet taming, i was super bummed when i found out when you *actually* tamed a pet they didn't retain their normal abilities |
| 01:14.44 | Jamash | they couldn't make it work so it didn't excessively penalize either cloth or plate iirc |
| 01:15.24 | Jamash | smcn: yeah :p |
| 01:15.55 | Jamash | hunters are now a melee class with 35-foot-long arms |
| 01:15.57 | smcn | that was when there was just growl, bite, and claw |
| 01:16.07 | smcn | and having to tame higher-level pets to learn new ranks |
| 01:16.12 | smcn | man, remember when spells had ranks? |
| 01:16.17 | Jamash | which is oretty awesome imo |
| 01:16.22 | Jamash | YES |
| 01:16.43 | Jamash | spell ranks are why I wrote Learning Aid to begin with |
| 01:17.06 | Jamash | I was sick of having the wrong rank on my bars |
| 01:17.29 | smcn | i think i wrote a really simple addon/macro to do that at some point |
| 01:17.31 | Jamash | so glad they ditched ranks |
| 01:17.35 | smcn | i think it was when dual spec was introduced |
| 01:17.37 | Rythal | searching the world for that pet that would upgrade you to growl 3... |
| 01:17.42 | Jamash | sigh |
| 01:17.43 | Rythal | I really miss it :/ |
| 01:17.51 | smcn | and your inactive spec wouldn't update your bars when you trained |
| 01:19.29 | smcn | do hunters still have beast lore? |
| 01:20.05 | Amarande | now not only do you not train spell ranks |
| 01:20.09 | Amarande | but for the most part, you don't even train at all |
| 01:20.23 | Amarande | you get all your skills automatically when you level up now, with the exception of riding skills |
| 01:20.26 | smcn | yeah i like that |
| 01:20.48 | smcn | especially since levelling is so fast now |
| 01:21.36 | Amarande | it does make me wonder why they don't allow worgen or goblin monks though :S |
| 01:21.58 | Amarande | the only rational reason for that would be a lack of monk trainers in Gilneas and Kezan |
| 01:22.23 | Amarande | however, now that the role of class trainers is minimal, so you don't really need them in the starter zones ... |
| 01:22.26 | Jamash | smcn: yes |
| 01:22.29 | Rythal | because we just went through an expansion of a billion people rolling worgen/goblins ... we don't need another |
| 01:22.47 | Amarande | no, no now we have an expansion of everyone rolling pandaren |
| 01:23.02 | Amarande | and an extreme glut of monks, helped along by the fact that monks get class specific bonuses to level faster |
| 01:23.08 | Jamash | I thought all races could be monks |
| 01:23.20 | Amarande | Jamash: all but the cata races |
| 01:23.30 | Amarande | similarly, Pandaren are the only race that cannot be DKs |
| 01:23.42 | Rythal | tho lore wise it makes sense to me... for both cases, how would they discover a pandarian, and learn the ways of monk... both at the start are locked away in seclusion |
| 01:23.54 | Amarande | I'm not quite sure why, although I suspect it's a matter of implementative headache |
| 01:24.02 | Jamash | I guess I was wrong |
| 01:24.28 | Amarande | worgen and goblin monks would be easy, since you don't need class trainers in the starter zones (the first time you can possibly even need the services of a class trainer is at level 10, for respeccing, and for the most part the only time you really talk to them these days tends to be at 30 to pick up dual spec) |
| 01:24.57 | Amarande | pandaren DKs would be a terrible headache, because the DK starter area would need to be retooled due to the fact that pandas don't pick their faction till they finish the starting experience |
| 01:25.08 | Jamash | man, class trainers |
| 01:25.10 | Rythal | 30? bah... I don't visit for dual spec until 90 lol |
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| 01:25.29 | Amarande | Some have said it's a lore thing that Pandas can't be DKs, but I'm not sure that explanation really holds water |
| 01:25.38 | Amarande | Goblins and Worgen can be DKs and weren't available till after the fall of Arthas |
| 01:25.44 | Jamash | used to visit 'em any time I was in town because it was easier than remembering ifI'd trained already that level |
| 01:25.49 | smcn | i'm sure it's a tech thing wrt choosing faction |
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| 01:26.09 | Rythal | smcn: naw cuz those races have a faction... there is no choice to be made |
| 01:26.13 | xyphoid | worgen death knights were arugal worgen |
| 01:26.17 | Jamash | I'd dual spec at 10 if I could |
| 01:26.18 | smcn | they'd either need a separate ui for choosing a faction on char select specifically for panda dks or an in-game quest |
| 01:26.21 | Amarande | and while goblins were ubiquitous in Azeroth, civilised worgen were strictly a post-cata thing |
| 01:26.29 | smcn | it's easier to just say "nah you can't do that" |
| 01:26.30 | Rythal | oh you mean monk DK's .... yeah it's probably the faction |
| 01:26.38 | Amarande | yeah, that's what I suspect |
| 01:26.42 | Rythal | err panda dk's |
| 01:26.59 | xyphoid | http://www.wowpedia.org/Worgen_%28playable%29#Death_knights |
| 01:27.02 | Jamash | monkadins? pandworgians? |
| 01:27.19 | Amarande | Jamash: actually, I do think the dual spec feature should be offered at 10 |
| 01:27.38 | Amarande | The fact that you cannot get it until 30 is surely a contributor to the relative shortage of tanks and healers |
| 01:27.44 | Jamash | yep |
| 01:28.10 | Jamash | ok time to bend some metal |
| 01:28.19 | Amarande | I started leveling my druid as resto, and I can say mostly that I was glad when I hit 30 and could dual spec into boomkin for solo questing |
| 01:28.32 | Amarande | the nice thing about questing as a heal spec is that you're almost never at any risk whatever of dying |
| 01:28.38 | Amarande | the annoying thing is everything takes ages |
| 01:28.46 | Rythal | I dunno.. I think the speed of leveling is the shortage of tanks / healers... people take 4-5 days in one spec to level, try doing tanking/healing once they hit max level... fail cuz they never did it before, and give up |
| 01:28.46 | Jamash | ther's a gap between this copper heat spreader and the video memory in my laptop that was filled with thermal pads |
| 01:29.00 | Jamash | but I think I can bend it to make direct contact |
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| 01:29.16 | Amarande | Rythal: the fact that people try tanking/healing only at max level is partly because of the delay in dual spec, though |
| 01:29.27 | Jamash | this^ |
| 01:29.34 | Amarande | if you had dual spec by default from the get-go, people would be much more encouraged to have a tank/heal spec if their class supported one |
| 01:29.41 | Amarande | especially with the faster queues for dungeons when desired |
| 01:29.50 | Jamash | also this^ |
| 01:30.08 | smcn | i don't know, doing instances through bc & wrath i've had shorter queues as dps than levelling through pandaria |
| 01:30.10 | Amarande | however, instead you have to pick a spec, usually you pick the DPS spec because you want to be able to solo quest optimally, so then you CAN'T tank or heal effectively till you hit 30 and can dual spec, unless you want to be paying for respecs all the time |
| 01:30.13 | smcn | sometimes even instant |
| 01:30.18 | Amarande | by that point, you're much more ingrained into the DPS way of life |
| 01:30.28 | Amarande | it doesn't help either that they further specialised the specs in MoP, either |
| 01:30.45 | Amarande | the tank shortage I think was at least somewhat mitigated by the sheer uberness of protection paladins in the olden days |
| 01:31.00 | Jamash | they should just give you dual spec at 10 for like 1g |
| 01:31.09 | Amarande | prot pallies were so powerful that despite the usual suggestion to level as a DPS spec, pallies generally leveled as prot instead |
| 01:31.23 | Amarande | but then they hit that with a nerfbat to the point that even Maintankadin recommends leveling as ret now |
| 01:31.44 | Jamash | pull entire zone, kill with cons? |
| 01:31.55 | Amarande | things like that, heh, if not quite that extreme |
| 01:32.05 | Rythal | heh... prot... the non-tanks now >< nothing worse then your tank saying give me 15 seconds to gain some aggro |
| 01:32.16 | Primer | I leveled my priest in BC as holy |
| 01:32.17 | Amarande | prot pallies did tend to be at their best when fighting several mobs at once |
| 01:32.24 | Primer | 1 to 70...as holy |
| 01:32.30 | Jamash | oy |
| 01:32.33 | Jamash | why |
| 01:32.34 | Primer | specifically because I wanted to be proficient at healing |
| 01:32.40 | Amarande | Rythal: I hope you never play any MMOs besides modern WoW, heh |
| 01:32.41 | Jamash | huh |
| 01:32.46 | Primer | as that was my end-game role |
| 01:33.02 | Rythal | Amarande: I do... but i'm use to it in those ones :P |
| 01:33.09 | Amarande | virtually every MMO with the standard tank/DPS/heal group paradigm is set up so the tank needs at least a few seconds to gain a threat lead before DPS start up :P |
| 01:33.09 | Jamash | I leveled as disc but disc is awesome |
| 01:33.19 | Primer | Speaking of other MMO...I also leveled my Jedi Sage as resto... |
| 01:33.24 | Primer | whatever that spec was |
| 01:33.26 | Jamash | well, disc/shadow |
| 01:33.54 | Jamash | priest is so much fun |
| 01:33.54 | Amarande | Rythal: WoW used to be that way too |
| 01:33.59 | Amarande | before they decided to go "easymode tank" with Wrath |
| 01:34.19 | Amarande | ironically if memory serves pallies were perhaps the only tank class that DIDN'T need lots of rev-up time |
| 01:34.27 | Primer | nope |
| 01:34.34 | Amarande | since I'm pretty sure they always had that Righteous Wrath or whatever it was called that gave a big threat boost |
| 01:34.35 | Primer | they had really good startup aggro |
| 01:34.58 | Primer | Righteous Fury + Consecration + Shield...throw thingy |
| 01:35.02 | Amarande | ah, Righteous Fury |
| 01:35.05 | Jamash | unless your ret pally forgot to turn it off |
| 01:35.06 | Amarande | Righteous Wrath was the AD&D buff |
| 01:35.08 | Primer | as long as your shield didn't miss :) |
| 01:35.15 | Primer | and you weren't pulling more than about 5 mobs |
| 01:35.16 | smcn | pre-holy power you opened with sor = no one could pull off you in single-target situations |
| 01:35.16 | Jamash | which he did |
| 01:35.19 | Jamash | a lot |
| 01:35.47 | Amarande | heh, Righteous Wrath. one of the reasons I didn't mind that my female character in BG2 had only one romance option |
| 01:35.54 | Primer | now RF persists through death |
| 01:36.01 | Amarande | I can't speak much for Anomen's personality, but he's one hell of a battle tank |
| 01:36.11 | Jamash | everyone fails to remember to toggle threat abilities |
| 01:36.21 | smcn | in vanilla i actually tanked BRD doing the onyxia attunement quest in the jail area as a paladin |
| 01:36.26 | smcn | that's when seals were 30 seconds |
| 01:36.42 | Amarande | Jamash: yeah, I've seen that a lot with the pet classes in dungeons :S |
| 01:36.55 | Amarande | occasionally I even forget |
| 01:36.59 | Primer | My Jedi Sage was female, and I married Lt. Iresso |
| 01:36.59 | Jamash | locks, hunters, paladins |
| 01:37.05 | Jamash | we all forget |
| 01:37.15 | Primer | I kinda miss SWTOR |
| 01:37.19 | Primer | but then I remember how bad it was |
| 01:37.38 | Amarande | I've yet to try SWTOR |
| 01:37.42 | Jamash | it's quote free end quote to play now |
| 01:37.48 | smcn | Primer when my guild cleared hard mode karagga's palace within a few hours of the patch hitting i knew it was time to go |
| 01:37.52 | Adys | hahahaha |
| 01:37.53 | smcn | i really loved the story stuff in that game |
| 01:37.55 | Adys | I love undead pets: http://i.imgur.com/U9Qin8a.jpg |
| 01:37.59 | Amarande | I keep thinking of getting it for just a short time, maybe just grab it and a single month game card so I can do the story stuff |
| 01:38.06 | Amarande | do you still have to pay for the base game or is that free now too? |
| 01:38.27 | smcn | it's free but you have to subscribe to get a mount |
| 01:38.43 | smcn | and the planet you're at when you hit mount level is tatooine |
| 01:38.48 | Amarande | like I said, single month game card so I can try the story mode, since it sounds like I probably wouldn't stay after that, heh |
| 01:38.55 | smcn | which is huge swaths of desert that would take fooooooooreeeeever to travel through without a mount |
| 01:39.00 | Amarande | heh |
| 01:39.04 | Amarande | btw, do you get to keep your mount when your sub ends? |
| 01:39.23 | Amarande | like in LOTRO, where most of the character-based subscriber benefits tend to stick permanently to your character as long as you played it at least once while you were subbed? |
| 01:39.34 | smcn | i don't know, all i know is i was looking through the trainer skills and saw "requires subscription", said nooooope and uninstalled |
| 01:39.54 | Amarande | mind you, LOTRO also explicitly has three account levels, while I don't know if TOR does |
| 01:39.55 | smcn | i mean, technically for the price of a subscription you're getting a months worth of a bioware game |
| 01:40.00 | smcn | so it's probably a steal |
| 01:40.10 | Amarande | for LOTRO you have "free", "premium", and "VIP" |
| 01:40.32 | Primer | smcn: same |
| 01:40.46 | Amarande | VIP are subscribers, Free and Premium are both free to maintain, you become Premium the moment you spend any real money at all in game |
| 01:40.49 | Rythal | yeah... I subbed to Lotro for 1 month, bought everything useful, then went back to unsubbed |
| 01:40.50 | Jamash | swotor has one off purchases and or subscription andor temporary passes and or blah blah |
| 01:41.03 | Primer | smcn: although we never cleared hardmode...that other place...with the falling platforms...because it _always_ bugged out at the end |
| 01:41.15 | smcn | oh yeah |
| 01:41.17 | smcn | that was when i quit |
| 01:41.18 | Primer | I think I still have some videos of that on twitch |
| 01:41.30 | smcn | we were working on hard mode soa for three weeks |
| 01:41.38 | Primer | yeah, Soa |
| 01:41.39 | smcn | then one day they started raid early and killed it without me |
| 01:41.41 | Jamash | also there are one time character unlocks and one time account unlocks |
| 01:41.44 | smcn | i was LIVID |
| 01:41.51 | smcn | i have never been so mad about a video game before |
| 01:41.55 | smcn | deleted my characters in rage |
| 01:41.58 | Primer | We got really close to killing it so many times, but it bugged out every time |
| 01:42.21 | smcn | it never bugged for us, just dealing with the orbs was a learning process |
| 01:42.25 | Jamash | however, there is no unlock to make the game stop being a second rate WoW with more cutscenes |
| 01:42.35 | smcn | the thing that made me mad about it is i'm pretty much the one who developed the strat for our group |
| 01:42.47 | Jamash | ouch |
| 01:42.52 | smcn | ugh my heart's racing just thinking about it again |
| 01:42.56 | Primer | http://www.twitch.tv/barfolomeu/b/306881503 <-- Karaga's |
| 01:43.11 | Jamash | anyway |
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| 01:43.20 | Jamash | bending copper tiem |
| 01:44.32 | Rythal | secondrate? I actually enjoyed lotro 1000x more then I do wow :/ |
| 01:45.08 | Primer | hrmm, it's a very short video...I thought it was longer |
| 01:45.30 | Amarande | yeah, I keep thinking of reinstalling LOTRO |
| 01:45.48 | Amarande | although it's a little finicky on Windows 8, mostly because .NET 1.1 is kind of finicky to install on Windows 8 |
| 01:46.02 | Amarande | also for the same reason, it's a real pisser if Windows screws up :( |
| 01:46.18 | Amarande | because unlike WoW where you can just restore the folder, you can't do that with LOTRO because of the .NET thing |
| 01:46.39 | Amarande | and the only way I've actually ever gotten .NET 1.1 to install on W8 has been to do it as part of the LOTRO install, so that means the full reinstall and 20GB download in that case |
| 01:47.19 | Rythal | yeah, one of my clients was a huge wow fan, every 6 months she was buying a new laptop/desktop and would ask me to download both US and EU versions for her so it was ready to go when she picked up the new system |
| 01:47.26 | Rythal | err huge lotro fan |
| 01:47.53 | pompy | mixing up wow n lotro eh? |
| 01:47.57 | Rythal | it was because of her I got started playing it >< I figured hey.. a hot girl plays it... |
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| 02:04.12 | TC-work | Rythal: 6 months? Even I can't find fault with a top of the line system in 6 months |
| 02:06.38 | pompy | ohh he told her http://www.nbcnews.com/id/50722824/ |
| 02:08.06 | Semlar | he also acknowledged his doctor "continues to warn me that my luck is going to run out relatively soon." |
| 02:08.12 | Semlar | boy, that is not what you want to hear from your doctor |
| 02:08.43 | TC-work | Actually, what i don't want to hear is "It's time for your prostate exam." |
| 02:09.11 | pompy | haha |
| 02:09.42 | Rythal | TC: it was rotated, january would be desktop, june laptop, jan desktop |
| 02:10.16 | Rythal | my guess is she had no life, and all her earnings just went to new systems >< |
| 02:10.39 | smcn | some people buy every new iphone that comes out |
| 02:10.49 | Semlar | what did she do with the old computers |
| 02:10.58 | Rythal | no clue |
| 02:11.01 | TC-work | $2K machine != $600 phone |
| 02:11.09 | Amarande | actually, usually what I don't want to hear from the doctor is on the piece of paper I get in the mail a few weeks later |
| 02:11.15 | TC-work | and iphones do not come out every 6 weeks |
| 02:11.16 | Amarande | especially if I haven't seen the doctor prior to that in a year |
| 02:11.18 | End_ | iphones don't even come ...yeah |
| 02:11.18 | TC-work | 6 months* |
| 02:12.00 | Amarande | since the annual deductible on my health plan is $200 |
| 02:15.14 | Semlar | i have a $10,000 deductible |
| 02:15.29 | Semlar | i might as well not have insurance |
| 02:15.46 | kd3 | 10k? eesh |
| 02:16.00 | kd3 | are you signed up for the ultra-premium-deluxe insurance tier? |
| 02:16.01 | Amarande | Semlar: actually, I suspect high deductibles aren't going to be too unlikely in the future |
| 02:16.10 | Amarande | especially for plans negotiated by things like labour unions :| |
| 02:16.15 | Semlar | no i have really shitty insurance |
| 02:16.32 | Amarande | keep in mind that labour unions don't do things like individual physical health examinations for each member to submit to the actuaries ... |
| 02:16.56 | Amarande | which with this whole obamacare exchange thing gives me this though that they'll probably all get relegated to the insurance pools with the people in worst health and thus get the worst deals |
| 02:17.12 | Amarande | in order to avoid the risk that too many workers are in poor health and would shaft the companies on the good deals :P |
| 02:17.44 | Amarande | *thought |
| 02:18.01 | Semlar | insurance companies are all just flat out crooks |
| 02:18.15 | Semlar | this is a ridiculous system |
| 02:18.23 | Amarande | well, insurance is, at its heart, essentially a bet |
| 02:18.33 | Amarande | so they go out of their way to make sure you have to play in their casino :P |
| 02:18.47 | Amarande | and the casino always has the odds in their favour :P |
| 02:19.10 | Semlar | they hide the true cost of everything from everybody which makes it really really difficult to understand what's going on |
| 02:19.33 | Amarande | well unless you're those poor sods in toronto, LOL ... apparently this one casino for a short time accidentally set all their slot machines to pay out over 100% |
| 02:19.47 | Amarande | but insurance companies never do that I'm sure heh |
| 02:19.50 | Semlar | you could end up paying more WITH insurance than if you'd just paid in cash |
| 02:20.21 | Amarande | actually, that's always been the case with medical care in general |
| 02:20.41 | Amarande | you can never really get a quote up front, you can only find out how much it's going to cost after you've got the care and accepted that you'll have to pay whatever that amount might be |
| 02:21.11 | Semlar | it depends, i've gotten quotes from places |
| 02:21.16 | Amarande | if you need to get your car fixed, the mechanic will gladly give you an estimate |
| 02:21.26 | Semlar | i had to call around to see how much a cat scan would cost |
| 02:21.28 | Amarande | if you need to get your body fixed, for the most part the doctors don't make their prices known to the public :P |
| 02:21.49 | Semlar | it was like three times as much at the hospital than it was at a radiology lab |
| 02:21.50 | Amarande | mind you, the other reason the prices are so high is also because of ... the insurance industry |
| 02:21.58 | Amarande | they seriously actually have their hands in the cookie jar both ways |
| 02:22.08 | Amarande | on the one hand the health insurance plans for patients that screw you over |
| 02:22.14 | Amarande | on the other hand, you think the doctor's any better off? nope. |
| 02:22.30 | Semlar | no the doctor's getting screwed by insurance companies too |
| 02:22.36 | Amarande | doctors pretty much have to carry malpractise liability insurance, which is even more horrendous |
| 02:22.53 | Amarande | those six figure salaries some doctors make? it's sadly, not at all greed, really |
| 02:23.16 | Amarande | for many practises (the doctors that deliver babies are worst off, apparently), it's pure need, because the malpractise premium alone costs six figures a year |
| 02:23.33 | Amarande | before you even consider that they have other bills to pay and lives to live :S |
| 02:25.01 | Amarande | in 2013, apparently the Golden Rule prevails indeed, and I don't mean the one everyone learns as a kid :P |
| 02:25.05 | pompy | http://global3.memecdn.com/dont-blink_o_613344.jpg |
| 02:27.40 | pompy | http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/250x250/30960214.jpg |
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| 02:32.38 | pompy | Cairenn: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_luzfvyMjYp1qmugawo1_500.png hehe |
| 02:32.42 | smcn | is there an extension for chrome that adds "close tabs to the left"? i find myself needing that more often than "close tabs to the right" |
| 02:32.45 | Cairenn | heheheh |
| 02:33.39 | Amarande | smcn: it's called adding firewall rules to block wikipedia and tv tropes |
| 02:33.44 | Amarande | that should deal with most of the excessive tabbage :) |
| 02:34.00 | Amarande | oh, might want to block cracked.com too |
| 02:36.58 | smcn | lol nah i just have a problem where i open everything in a new tab, eventually i realize i've had tabs open for 3 hours that i don't need anymore and want to close them all, but they're all to the left of the one(s) i'm using |
| 02:37.16 | Seerah | drag the one you're using to the left and then close all to the right :p |
| 02:37.43 | smcn | well just now i had 3 tabs open that i wanted to keep |
| 02:38.49 | Seerah | then drag all of them :p |
| 02:44.45 | pompy | Cairenn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJT39M8Y2F8 |
| 02:45.57 | Cairenn | :) |
| 02:50.43 | TC-work | smcn: yes |
| 02:54.20 | smcn | i found a couple but they're either a button or a context menu on the page, is it just not possible to add to the tab context menu or something? |
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| 03:03.31 | Amarande | random thought |
| 03:03.44 | Amarande | I wonder how many hours and/or realm transfer dollars are wasted because of realm naming sometimes :) |
| 03:04.11 | Amarande | like, "okay, you said the guild was on Kargath, so I created a character and am close to 90 and am almost ready to app ... oh shit, I'm on KORGATH" |
| 03:04.29 | smcn | oh man |
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| 03:17.30 | Adys | smcn: you can manage multiple tabs at once |
| 03:17.47 | Adys | smcn: click the tab to the left, shift click the leftmost tab, ctrl+w |
| 03:18.15 | smcn | that is the best thing |
| 03:18.18 | smcn | i love you so much |
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| 03:18.44 | Adys | This is the reason I love chrome |
| 03:18.47 | Adys | not the feature itself |
| 03:19.07 | Adys | but its obscure existence and the fact I know of it |
| 03:19.45 | Adys | it is one of the most powerful pieces of knowledge in my possession, gets me loved wherever I spread it. |
| 03:19.57 | smcn | you should post it on reddit and get a ton of karma |
| 03:20.02 | smcn | in image form of course |
| 03:20.18 | Adys | http://www.reddit.com/r/google/comments/178xca/tip_you_can_move_multiple_tabs_at_once_in_chrome/ |
| 03:20.42 | smcn | put it in r/lifeprotips |
| 03:20.52 | Adys | I SHALL PUT IT EVERYWHERE |
| 03:20.59 | kd3 | yay! got the bis offhand off tayak on the bonus roll |
| 03:21.00 | smcn | and come on that was 14 days ago, about time for a repost |
| 03:21.02 | smcn | past time |
| 03:21.14 | Adys | But no, I keep it quiet |
| 03:21.21 | Adys | More love for me wherever I go |
| 03:30.17 | kd3 | the hell? |
| 03:30.19 | kd3 | "And he had stopped by Chick-fil-A to pick up 15 sandwiches, which he planned to smear in the dying faces of staffers he expected to kill" [Followup] |
| 03:30.29 | kd3 | http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/06/justice/dc-family-research-council-shooting/index.html |
| 03:32.06 | Mr_Rabies | gross, chick fil a |
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| 04:59.04 | kd3 | wtf jeopardy; http://i.imgur.com/KR8gCXC.jpg |
| 04:59.39 | Semlar | that was on 5 hours ago |
| 05:00.04 | Semlar | they're catering to the teen tournament |
| 05:01.26 | TC-work | awesome |
| 05:01.35 | pompy | kd3: yeah kids were the contestants |
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| 05:02.55 | pompy | i watched the episode tonight! and also, Valve was one of the statements ! |
| 05:03.13 | pompy | it was the "orange" category |
| 05:03.20 | pompy | the answer was "what is portal" |
| 05:03.36 | pompy | they were talking about the orange box and which game it was that featured "doorways" |
| 05:05.58 | kd3 | http://i.imgur.com/BAEA9zz.jpg |
| 05:07.40 | pompy | kd3: yeah! i was trying to find an image or article of it, you beat me to it! |
| 05:07.56 | pompy | and :o http://allafrica.com/stories/201302061247.html |
| 05:16.48 | pompy | anyone see this ;) http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2013/02/valve-bad-robot-dice/ |
| 05:17.01 | pompy | "“We’re going to figure out if we can make a Portal movie or Half-Life movie together,” Newell said." |
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| 05:48.33 | Rythal | man... the project blackstone thing... it reminds me of The Majestic Project >< I miss that game |
| 05:49.19 | smcn | majestic you mean the thing where you get phone calls? |
| 05:49.51 | Rythal | yeah the game origin tried with phone/email/IM |
| 05:50.05 | smcn | the only reason i even know what that is is because of jeff gerstmann |
| 05:50.22 | smcn | it gets mentioned on the giant bombcast with surprising frequency |
| 05:50.52 | Rythal | I loved it... probably my favorite game of all time |
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| 07:01.18 | bluspacecow | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaggy |
| 07:01.27 | bluspacecow | y no Shaggy from Sco---- |
| 07:01.29 | bluspacecow | oh nvm |
| 07:01.33 | bluspacecow | nothing to see here! |
| 07:03.01 | smcn | TIL shaggy had a last name |
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| 07:43.16 | Jamash | tried to chat in #wowuidev, but #wowuidev was bees http://www.scp-wiki.net/bees |
| 07:44.59 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 07:48.11 | Jamash | I know, right? |
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| 07:51.57 | bluspacecow | Dumb Question tiem from Blu: Do people in china play wow ? IE Chinese realms ? 'cause I just found a chinese version of the login/depot server. |
| 07:52.33 | zenzio | as far as I know WoW is huge in China |
| 07:52.48 | bluspacecow | oh ok |
| 07:52.50 | bluspacecow | ty |
| 07:53.05 | zenzio | wasn't it China that made them implement the exhaustion system? Or was that Korea? |
| 07:58.43 | Jamash | bluspacecow: how did you miss the whole "no skeletons in china" thing during Wrath? |
| 07:58.52 | bluspacecow | :| |
| 07:58.55 | bluspacecow | oh yeah |
| 07:58.59 | bluspacecow | the net eaze thing ? |
| 07:59.24 | bluspacecow | i assumed their login server would be called cn.logon.neteaze.worldofwarcraft or something |
| 07:59.26 | Jamash | o r the time the operator los tthe license and another company picked it up and it was a huge mess |
| 08:25.41 | zenzio | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/02/06/200258/sony-rootkit-redux-canadian-business-groups-lobby-for-right-to-install-spyware |
| 08:32.51 | bluSillyCow | "From tests I've done both Diablo 3 and World of Warcat" |
| 08:32.57 | bluSillyCow | lol world of Warcat |
| 08:33.02 | bluSillyCow | Lionor! |
| 08:33.03 | Kalroth | *purrr* |
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| 09:09.34 | neutronimity | http://whitneymusicbox.org finally found this again |
| 09:13.37 | Semlar | you figure out your macros |
| 09:13.56 | neutronimity | No have not yet tested much without addons :( |
| 09:13.58 | neutronimity | Will today |
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| 11:22.00 | Semlar | ugh, i've come across at least 3 different spellings for karazhan in these files |
| 11:24.02 | Corv | The joys of working with a fantasy setting, eh? |
| 11:24.30 | Semlar | it's either kharazan, karazahn or karazhan |
| 11:24.59 | Semlar | these actually have it misspelled twice in the same file path |
| 11:25.03 | Semlar | world/wmo/dungeon/az_karazahn/kharazan_instance |
| 11:26.10 | Corv | That's kinda awesome. Painful for you, now, sure. |
| 11:26.23 | Corv | But I imagine it caused some headaches on their end too, back in the day. |
| 11:26.56 | Semlar | i'm not really sure what their setup is but it seems like it would get confusing |
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| 11:41.43 | VIad | Semlar: new exploit to CRZ by blocking out the IP of the cross realm the game wishes to transfer you to :P |
| 11:41.48 | VIad | (via firewall, lol) |
| 11:42.42 | znf | VIad, that doesn't work |
| 11:43.00 | znf | You won't see NPCs if you do that |
| 11:43.18 | znf | And you end up getting disconnected in the end :P |
| 11:43.59 | VIad | the idea is to stay on your realm and not be transferred to the shared one :P |
| 11:44.10 | znf | I tried it, didn't work |
| 11:44.33 | VIad | I shall take a peak and see what I come out with as far results go |
| 11:45.28 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/VLXTxQI.gif in no particular order, karazhan floors |
| 11:45.50 | VIad | Semlar: can you make out floors from the dbcs? |
| 11:45.57 | znf | VIad, let me know if you manage |
| 11:45.58 | VIad | otherwise karazhan might be chaotic on the map |
| 11:46.15 | znf | Oh, someone actually made an ownedcore post about it. I tried it by myself some weeks ago |
| 11:46.45 | Semlar | i don't know how some of these are even visible from the floors they can appear on but i'm not going to argue with it |
| 11:49.06 | Semlar | http://www.wowpedia.org/images/4/4a/WorldMap-Karazhan14.jpg supposedly master's terrace, which is where you fight nightbane outside the tower, is on this map |
| 11:49.22 | VIad | znf: when I went to deepholm from stormwind I saw a new server appear |
| 11:49.39 | VIad | here I see people from other realms |
| 11:50.24 | znf | VIad, yes. But if you try blocking that IP, you won't get NPCs spawning |
| 11:50.30 | VIad | let me try |
| 11:50.51 | znf | You can roam around in the world freely for 10-15 minutes (then you get disconnected for some reasons), but no NPCs |
| 11:51.38 | VIad | trying |
| 11:53.54 | VIad | "instance not found" |
| 11:53.54 | VIad | :P |
| 11:55.26 | znf | Yeah, I got that, too |
| 11:55.28 | znf | No NPCs, right? |
| 11:55.48 | Semlar | it sounds like he can't even log in |
| 11:58.59 | VIad | but there is more than just this, to the trick |
| 11:59.06 | VIad | it seems you need to get involved with pvp |
| 12:00.57 | VIad | this is how I see it in short (1) get IP of your realm (2) enter CRZ and get IP of that server (3) queue for BG and kill the client (4) meanwhile waiting 5 minutes add firewall rule to block the CRZ IP range (5) log back in first in the normal realm, then get a bunch of "instance not found" errors, and then remain in the realm version of the zone instead of being ported over |
| 12:01.40 | Semlar | if you're going to do something you could probably get banned for you might as well do it right |
| 12:02.48 | VIad | I am just curious if this actually works, if so, should be reported for a fix |
| 12:03.15 | VIad | but a bit unsure how easy to fix it would be, I guess you should force teleport people that can't enter the CRZ properly to the capital or? |
| 12:03.44 | znf | I doubt there's a way to fix that. It technically sounds like a fallback when a CRZ realm/server is down |
| 12:03.53 | VIad | yeah that's what I also think |
| 12:04.02 | VIad | hehe, Semlar, banned for blocking server IP with firewall |
| 12:04.17 | VIad | poor sods that have a network issue and accidentally end up in this situation :D |
| 12:04.36 | VIad | all it requires is you being teleported back to the CRZ and the CRZ not being available :P |
| 12:05.02 | znf | I'd be furious if that would happen, though |
| 12:05.03 | VIad | like teleported back after a dungeon group is finished, or after pvp activity- those kind of fored teleports |
| 12:05.15 | Semlar | uh there's a huge difference between having a bad network and purposefully tricking the game into joining a different server |
| 12:05.16 | znf | I once logged on right after a server reboot and the CRZ realms were down |
| 12:05.26 | znf | (I actually managed to get a Minfernal that way) |
| 12:05.45 | VIad | but how do you differenciate this in the logs? :P |
| 12:05.47 | Semlar | you can also walk through walls if the WMO doesn't load fast enough, you think that makes it okay to turn off collision? |
| 12:05.57 | znf | The chat was spamming "cross-realm zone is down" or something like that |
| 12:06.14 | VIad | no but it has happened to me and I am not responsible the WMO didn't load quick enough :P |
| 12:06.32 | Corv | Nah, but you are responsible for how you react. |
| 12:06.53 | Semlar | it's all about intent |
| 12:07.06 | VIad | actually back in the day, when searing gorge needed a key, I was too lazy, so I used far sight to unload the gate, and quickly run trough when it was loading back :p |
| 12:07.12 | VIad | yes ofc |
| 12:07.19 | Sintacks | lawl |
| 12:07.24 | Sintacks | I was a rogue |
| 12:07.24 | VIad | but it's not exactly easy to tell if the CRZ loaded successfully or not tough :P |
| 12:07.26 | Sintacks | pick lock ftw |
| 12:07.43 | VIad | I can imagine from a palyer point of view "oh look a rare! let's kill it - and look no one is around hurray I am lucky" |
| 12:08.14 | VIad | later to discover that CRZ was down, or that the ISP had network issues with that specific range of IP that the CRZ servers used - just after he finished his battleground :P |
| 12:08.36 | VIad | with so many players, it probably happened without anyone just knowing about it as it was isolated incidents anyway. |
| 12:09.06 | Semlar | i'm telling you right now if it became advantageous and simple to exploit the crz they would take action |
| 12:09.07 | VIad | I am just arguing that this could happen naturally without a person doing it on purpose :P |
| 12:09.33 | VIad | what about realID friends list used to transfer people between realms for rare hunting? |
| 12:09.38 | VIad | they do it :P |
| 12:09.58 | znf | VIad, would be hard to not get it that CRZ is down |
| 12:10.08 | znf | seeing that you're spammed in chat every 30s or so :D |
| 12:10.15 | Sintacks | i've been there |
| 12:10.20 | znf | trying to find that damn screenshot when I happened to get that |
| 12:10.31 | VIad | the warning should have said "CRZ is down, please don't kill rare stuff as you aren't supposed to get to them, sorry" :P |
| 12:10.48 | Sintacks | log in as soon as servers are back up trying to get TLPD and CRZ isn't up yet. chat spam for "cross-realm zone is down" or whatever |
| 12:12.08 | VIad | Semlar: seems that people already intentionally try to go around boundaries and aren't punished for it :P |
| 12:12.15 | VIad | depends how serious it is I guess |
| 12:12.26 | Semlar | go for it |
| 12:12.46 | VIad | I am just testing to see if it really works :P |
| 12:13.01 | Semlar | that was her excuse http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/28/roxanne-rubin_n_2566297.html |
| 12:13.08 | VIad | yes it did |
| 12:13.49 | VIad | ended up in the zone that is supposed to be CRZ, but with instance not found message |
| 12:14.31 | znf | VIad, npcs? |
| 12:14.34 | VIad | yes |
| 12:14.41 | VIad | Aeonaxx in front of me |
| 12:14.43 | VIad | :P |
| 12:14.47 | VIad | so must be working |
| 12:16.23 | VIad | each time you swap a subzone it tries to teleport you to the CRZ |
| 12:16.36 | VIad | there is a tiny gap between regular realm and the CRZ one |
| 12:17.03 | VIad | well this is weird |
| 12:17.25 | VIad | think it's already reported and known or do someone wanna mention the fact one can block CRZ to the devs? |
| 12:18.02 | VIad | intentionally or not, this makes it a bit weird - and handy, if you wish to level without being ganked :P |
| 12:18.18 | VIad | you could block the CRZ and avoid interruption when leveling in a zone |
| 12:19.22 | znf | VIad, you did the whole BG thing? |
| 12:19.55 | VIad | actually you probably don't even need that, maybe |
| 12:20.11 | VIad | ah yes you do |
| 12:20.13 | VIad | the idea is simple |
| 12:22.20 | VIad | You need 3 servers, A = your home realm, B = CRZ server, C = BG/LFD server. Then you need to obtain the IP of A and B so you know what to block, then you enter server C using a Battleground or a Dungeon Finder party. You disconnect, so that you get kicked from server C for being inactive, and meanwhile you block server B. So when you login there is a waterfall effect going on; it first logs you in and tries to place you on server C, you no longe |
| 12:22.42 | VIad | that's the whole thing, can even use it to report the issue at hand :P |
| 12:22.57 | VIad | Semlar: good enough explained? |
| 12:24.09 | Semlar | well it looks like you got cut off |
| 12:25.14 | VIad | whaa |
| 12:25.26 | Semlar | your explanation ends mid-sentence |
| 12:25.39 | VIad | let me split it up in smaller messages lol |
| 12:26.13 | znf | damn CRZ, can't tab out for a second... some retard will try to kill you |
| 12:26.16 | VIad | You need 3 servers, A = your home realm, B = CRZ server, C = BG/LFD server. Then you need to obtain the IP of A and B so you know what to block, then you enter server C using a Battleground or a Dungeon Finder party. |
| 12:26.21 | VIad | You disconnect while connected to server C, so that you get kicked from it for being inactive, and meanwhile you block server B. So when you login there is a waterfall effect going on; |
| 12:26.25 | VIad | It first logs you in and tries to place you on server C, you no longer are eligitble, it tries to place you at server B, but it's blocked, so it finally places you at server A (your home realm) |
| 12:26.33 | VIad | (did you get it all?) |
| 12:27.22 | Semlar | i don't understand the purpose of server C |
| 12:27.52 | VIad | if you are at server B and block it, you disconnect, and when you try to login again it won't let you as it directly tries to log you into server B |
| 12:28.27 | Semlar | why don't you just go to a non-crz area |
| 12:28.43 | VIad | the idea is to be in a CRZ area without being in the CRZ server right? :P |
| 12:29.02 | znf | Semlar, possibly because the game will try to find another crz host if main one is dead (I'm speculating) |
| 12:29.46 | Semlar | well if you just block all of them then it couldn't possibly join a crz |
| 12:30.11 | VIad | yeah,but if your character is on one of the servers you wish to block, you can't login |
| 12:30.23 | VIad | and if you block it then try to enter, you can't enter because you get "transfer aborted" |
| 12:30.27 | Semlar | i'm saying move your character to an area where you're ON YOUR SERVER |
| 12:30.38 | Semlar | then block the crzs |
| 12:30.38 | VIad | ehm |
| 12:30.58 | VIad | well I tested with deepholm |
| 12:31.02 | VIad | and it requires a portal usage |
| 12:31.04 | VIad | I was lazy :P |
| 12:31.13 | znf | Semlar, doesn't work. I tried that and got into an empty world. |
| 12:31.13 | VIad | probably easier with regular zones |
| 12:31.27 | Semlar | interesting |
| 12:32.10 | VIad | tbh since this is publicly available on a exploit forum blizzard reads, I think they know about it lol :P |
| 12:32.11 | znf | VIad, thing is, the instructions mention of blocking a whole ip-range, but not the whole /24 |
| 12:32.21 | VIad | nah you don't need that |
| 12:32.23 | VIad | I didn't :P |
| 12:32.28 | VIad | I just blocked that specific CRZ server |
| 12:32.31 | znf | You just blocked that one? |
| 12:32.32 | znf | Mkay |
| 12:33.05 | VIad | funny how nothing else is fun in game atm, except me trying this thing, and now that I tried it, it got boring again and I logged off :P |
| 12:33.05 | Semlar | how do you know you aren't still on server C |
| 12:33.17 | VIad | server C is battleground/dungeon finder instance |
| 12:33.26 | Semlar | so |
| 12:33.32 | VIad | I logged out : |
| 12:33.34 | VIad | so I got kicked |
| 12:33.43 | znf | you get kicked after a few minutes from a BG :P |
| 12:33.57 | VIad | so when I log back in it first tries server C, finds out I am not supposed to be there, tries server B and finally A |
| 12:35.29 | VIad | Semlar: imagine how many did this while it wasn't publicly posted |
| 12:35.31 | Semlar | i see no reason why you couldn't still be on the battleground server even if you got kicked out of the instance |
| 12:35.33 | znf | Yeah, you're right. It works if you do the server hop thingie. |
| 12:35.51 | VIad | Semlar: because you know what happens when you get kicked from dungeon or battleground? |
| 12:36.00 | znf | I tried it a couple of weeks ago just by blocking the CRZ server and that didn't get me anywhere :D |
| 12:36.13 | Semlar | well normally you'd get placed back where you came from except you blocked that |
| 12:36.16 | VIad | the game tries to spawn you on your last server, then it finds out you aren't supposed to be there and you load again |
| 12:36.18 | VIad | yes |
| 12:36.21 | Semlar | so how do you know it's going from C to B to A |
| 12:36.25 | Semlar | and not C to B to C |
| 12:36.25 | VIad | actually |
| 12:36.40 | Semlar | since apparently A is empty from znf's explanation |
| 12:36.42 | VIad | because pvp/dungeon servers are only used for pvp/dungeons |
| 12:36.47 | znf | Semlar, uhm, it's not |
| 12:36.56 | VIad | actually I misspoke |
| 12:37.15 | Sintacks | i wonder if you couold use another CRZ to get out of CRZ ... |
| 12:37.26 | VIad | when you login after being kicked from a battleground, it first tries server C (that server), then it sends you back home to A, then it tries to place you in CRZ if the zone is eligible |
| 12:37.45 | Sintacks | random realID friend on another server. get pulled to their CRZ, block your CRZ leave group. error trying to get back to your CRZ, default to your realm |
| 12:37.59 | VIad | could probably work too Sintacks |
| 12:38.00 | znf | Sintacks, you can, I think |
| 12:38.01 | Semlar | znf you said it was empty if you just blocked crzs and then tried to walk into one |
| 12:38.17 | VIad | I think the effect varies if you do it at login or if you do it mid session. |
| 12:38.37 | znf | Sintacks, I helped a friend get the rare achievements on a dead server (had a 90 there). Our main realm crashed, everyone got d/c'd but him. He was still on the host server. |
| 12:38.59 | Sintacks | i've helped a few friends get them, cuz my server was dead |
| 12:39.04 | Sintacks | we've sinced moved off that server |
| 12:39.13 | Sintacks | my m age is still there though :| |
| 12:39.17 | VIad | :| |
| 12:39.24 | VIad | Semlar: still confused? |
| 12:39.27 | VIad | try for yourself |
| 12:39.28 | VIad | :P |
| 12:39.29 | Semlar | i'm not confused |
| 12:39.31 | Sintacks | i couldn't even afford the two toons i moved |
| 12:39.37 | Semlar | i'm trying to figure out how you know what server you're on |
| 12:39.45 | Semlar | what are you doing to get that information |
| 12:39.48 | VIad | the noob way is netstat |
| 12:39.53 | VIad | or a network monitoring tool |
| 12:39.55 | Sintacks | my GM paid for my main (and several other guild members who have money issues) and i sold two DMF cards to another guildie who gave me the money to move an alt |
| 12:40.26 | znf | I just use my "torch" tool on my RouterBoard :D |
| 12:40.36 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/xJpa3C9.png |
| 12:41.09 | VIad | you only need to figure out the IP of your own realm, so you know how the CRZ realm IP looks like - when you enter CRZ |
| 12:41.53 | znf | Semlar, you need to figure out the netblock where the CRZ realm is |
| 12:42.31 | VIad | simple network monitoring tools to inspect the connections is enough to get the IPs |
| 12:42.36 | Semlar | i'm not trying to do it, i was just wondering what you guys were doing |
| 12:42.55 | Sintacks | the only reason i would do it is to try to get TLPD |
| 12:43.06 | VIad | I would avoid getting stuff tough :P |
| 12:43.25 | Sintacks | the only time i've ever seen it is right after servers come back online when I did get on, before CRZs were online. but then world server went down, and when i got back in, i was in CRZ. |
| 12:43.31 | VIad | I too got tempted but didn't obtain the aeonaxx mount, because I know if the ban hammer falls, it falls hard :P |
| 12:44.17 | VIad | because the issue is so technical, I am sure they can pull logstamps and figure out what realms had functioning CRZ and what servers got creatures killed when the players were supposed to be on the CRZ and not on the main reallm |
| 12:44.26 | VIad | narrows it down to a few people that way, and BAM the hammer comes :D |
| 12:44.31 | znf | Semlar, here's the basic "idea" - if you try to zone out from ogrimmar to another crz zone (orgrimmar -> azshara) you get an empty world |
| 12:45.01 | znf | but if you get ported from a bg/dungeon, that doesn't happen |
| 12:45.12 | Semlar | it's probably phasing you somehow |
| 12:45.27 | znf | probably |
| 12:45.31 | VIad | I wouldn't use this to kill rares or get rare pets, using logs you can find out who cheated like this and get banned - because the issue isn't easy to fix, they will ban hard to prevent people from wanting to do it |
| 12:45.49 | Semlar | they can definitely see everything you do |
| 12:46.05 | znf | for example I'm trying to get to felwood right now, I see the game is trying to connect to an IP in the CRZ range |
| 12:46.07 | VIad | Semlar: it only makes it possible for you to be on your home realm without joining the CRZ and without being disconnected - as you otherwise would have been |
| 12:46.32 | VIad | znf and Sintacks be careful |
| 12:46.36 | VIad | I warned you |
| 12:46.37 | znf | (which I blocked) |
| 12:46.42 | Sintacks | i don't have the programs to do it |
| 12:46.44 | Sintacks | and i'm not stupid |
| 12:46.48 | znf | just exploring :P |
| 12:46.56 | VIad | you don't need anything |
| 12:47.04 | VIad | you can do this on a plain windows 7 :P |
| 12:47.13 | Sintacks | shush |
| 12:47.15 | Sintacks | i'm playing stupid |
| 12:47.27 | VIad | you need "netstat" and firewall, both in the OS :P |
| 12:47.34 | znf | VIad, ha, funnily enough, the npcs appeared once I reached felwood |
| 12:47.47 | Sintacks | i wonder if you could do it with the hosts file |
| 12:47.58 | VIad | yes you can |
| 12:47.59 | znf | ...and I found a guy who's in this area, lowbie level wtf |
| 12:48.15 | Sintacks | ask him wtf he's doing there |
| 12:48.22 | VIad | if you use flightpath to fly between zones you see the realm NPCs, my npc scan fires often like this and I get annoyed when I backtrack and don't find anything :P |
| 12:48.24 | Semlar | what would it do if you routed the crz address to your server's |
| 12:48.47 | Sintacks | VIad, yeah... I've seen Vyra like that before |
| 12:48.48 | VIad | remember that a CRZ is actually a regular realm too |
| 12:48.56 | Sintacks | landed, flew back, she's no where. |
| 12:49.02 | VIad | for instance for some people a CRZ is actually their realm |
| 12:49.05 | Sintacks | they need to make flight paths switch to the CRZ |
| 12:49.08 | VIad | and it's just other people visiting them :P |
| 12:50.58 | Semlar | i mean if you redirected requests to the crz server to your own server's address it would still treat it as a crz but to your own server |
| 12:51.15 | znf | just tried to port to dalaran while having the crz range blocked |
| 12:51.16 | VIad | hmm, maybe that could work too |
| 12:51.22 | znf | I got instance not found :( |
| 12:51.24 | VIad | yes |
| 12:51.51 | VIad | znf you need to enter dalaran, enter a bg for example, logout, then block CRZ, log back in after you are kicked from the bg (5 min?), then you end up in dalaran on your home realm |
| 12:51.56 | znf | yeah |
| 12:53.18 | VIad | what was the file that you could use to map IP to IP? |
| 12:53.24 | VIad | Semlar: |
| 12:54.18 | Semlar | think you need a router |
| 12:54.30 | VIad | probably one of them linux routers |
| 12:54.35 | VIad | that you can program :P |
| 12:54.47 | Semlar | or a basic wrt54g |
| 12:55.15 | Semlar | i have dd-wrt on my router |
| 12:55.21 | VIad | I have a DL-524UP :P lol |
| 12:55.30 | VIad | it actually sucks |
| 12:57.51 | Semlar | that being said, do you know if they're using the ip address of the crz or a dns |
| 12:58.00 | VIad | no DNS |
| 12:58.06 | VIad | direct IP |
| 13:00.10 | Semlar | i think the route program on windows might let you do this |
| 13:00.22 | Semlar | i'm not sure |
| 13:00.30 | znf | well, shit - my realm is crz-host for Stormpeaks :D |
| 13:00.38 | znf | i blocked CRZ, but I see people from other realms |
| 13:00.39 | VIad | I warned you znf :P |
| 13:00.57 | znf | I got TLPD anyway, just exploring to see if it's there |
| 13:01.19 | VIad | :3 |
| 13:02.18 | Sintacks | so wow is connected to 3 IPs right now |
| 13:02.26 | VIad | one is chat |
| 13:02.28 | VIad | 1119 something |
| 13:02.32 | VIad | port |
| 13:02.44 | VIad | the 3784 something is realm port |
| 13:03.12 | Sintacks | yeah. 12.129.206.130:1119 and 199.104.6.178-179:3724 |
| 13:03.18 | znf | but - this is weird |
| 13:03.29 | Sintacks | two connections. i got lazy |
| 13:03.29 | VIad | as mentioned some realm is the owner of the CRZ |
| 13:03.42 | Sintacks | and this is while in pandaland, where CRZ isn't enabled |
| 13:03.49 | znf | VIad, yeah, it's weird - before I blocked the crz range, I was ported on another CRZ host |
| 13:03.55 | znf | but now, it seems MY realm is a crz host |
| 13:04.00 | VIad | yes |
| 13:04.01 | VIad | :) |
| 13:04.03 | znf | How can both conditions be true? :P |
| 13:04.26 | VIad | not sure of the details, all I know is what I saw the last 5 minutes of testing, like half hour ago? :P |
| 13:04.53 | znf | how can my server be host, if I am actually transfered to another host when I don't block it |
| 13:05.26 | Sintacks | and now that i'm in storm peaks, 199.107.8.181 is new, and 199.107.6.178 still exists |
| 13:05.40 | znf | Sintacks, yeah, the game client will keep a connection to your home realm |
| 13:05.50 | VIad | the home realm is the fallback |
| 13:05.52 | znf | 8.181 is the crz host |
| 13:05.53 | Sintacks | ^ |
| 13:06.10 | Sintacks | weird still, that there are two connections when in panadaland |
| 13:06.22 | VIad | Sintacks: one is chat servers |
| 13:06.28 | VIad | both are not realm servers |
| 13:06.38 | Sintacks | 3, if you count chat then |
| 13:07.00 | VIad | don't know really, ask Semlar or a dev ;D |
| 13:07.08 | Semlar | don't ask me |
| 13:07.51 | znf | Sintacks, high pop or low pop? |
| 13:07.56 | Sintacks | 12.129.206.130 is chat, 199.104.6.178 is Turaylon, 199.104.6.179 is Pandaland @ Turaylon, 199.1078.181 is a Northrend CRZ |
| 13:08.01 | VIad | Semlar: are you angry with me? :< |
| 13:08.02 | Sintacks | uh. idk really |
| 13:08.14 | VIad | look at the ports Sintacks |
| 13:08.18 | znf | seems to me that high-pop ones have more than 1 connection |
| 13:08.22 | znf | but I can't verify :D |
| 13:08.33 | Semlar | why would i be angry |
| 13:08.40 | Sintacks | 1119 3724 3724 |
| 13:08.43 | VIad | because I got znf and Sintacks started doing stuff :P |
| 13:08.52 | VIad | ye Sintacks, chat and two realm servers |
| 13:08.57 | Sintacks | i know |
| 13:08.58 | Semlar | doesn't matter to me |
| 13:09.03 | VIad | sure it does! |
| 13:09.09 | Semlar | pretty sure it doesn't |
| 13:09.11 | znf | like I said, I tried that by myself few weeks ago - didn't figure out the whole on-zoning-in part |
| 13:09.14 | Sintacks | still weird that there are two realm servers when you aren't in a CRZ area |
| 13:09.17 | znf | I just managed to get in an empty world |
| 13:09.25 | VIad | it's like when you mingle with shady people it affects how others look at you ;P |
| 13:09.31 | Sintacks | also, i'm not doing anything other than looking at IPs |
| 13:11.37 | Semlar | i'm not too concerned about tarnishing my reputation vlad |
| 13:11.38 | VIad | Cairenn will whoop our asses soon |
| 13:11.43 | Sintacks | lol |
| 13:11.52 | Sintacks | suhe wouldn't know if you hadn't just highlighted her -p |
| 13:11.53 | Sintacks | =p |
| 13:11.58 | VIad | Semlar: already tarnished enough? |
| 13:12.07 | VIad | intentionally Sintacks, it's all part of the plan |
| 13:13.19 | Sintacks | hmm. if you kill the IP for the chat server, you get disconnected from the game |
| 13:13.20 | Sintacks | lol |
| 13:13.44 | Sintacks | rather, if you kill that connection |
| 13:13.55 | znf | VIad, here's another interesting thing |
| 13:14.10 | znf | VIad, if you log a char directly in a CRZ area, the connection to the home realm is not "constant" |
| 13:14.18 | znf | it's just used briefly |
| 13:15.22 | VIad | yeah |
| 13:15.28 | VIad | if you walk between some subzones |
| 13:15.33 | VIad | you notice you go back to home realm for a moment |
| 13:15.38 | VIad | and then get sent back to the CRZ |
| 13:15.48 | VIad | especially when changing between two zones, both CRZ |
| 13:15.55 | VIad | you have a moment where stuff fade |
| 13:15.56 | VIad | it's very annoying |
| 13:16.07 | VIad | practically, like a guy on your mount as you fly between two zones |
| 13:16.11 | VIad | they fall off -_- |
| 13:16.37 | Sintacks | i have a fun video of CRZ crap |
| 13:18.30 | Sintacks | no wait. that wasn't CRZ. just phasing in general |
| 13:18.34 | VIad | :P |
| 13:19.34 | Sintacks | hmm.. i should render this smaller... |
| 13:19.42 | Adys | hey Fisker |
| 13:19.45 | Sintacks | 1.52GB for 37 seconds |
| 13:19.53 | Sintacks | that's going to take forever to upload to youtube |
| 13:20.02 | Sintacks | forever being 80 minutes |
| 13:20.03 | VIad | Adys: heard about this blocking of CRZ deal going around recently? |
| 13:20.09 | Adys | ? |
| 13:20.10 | Sintacks | Downstream: 11.45 KBytes/s Upstream: 376.62 KBytes/s |
| 13:20.15 | Sintacks | wtb moar upload |
| 13:20.19 | Semlar | vdub dat shit |
| 13:20.34 | VIad | aye, with firewall and IP you can technically remain on your own realm in CRZs :P |
| 13:22.11 | znf | VIad, did you read the one with 6-7 hunters killing Kael? |
| 13:22.18 | VIad | hmm, no |
| 13:22.20 | VIad | explain |
| 13:22.36 | znf | get a few hunters @ lvl90 |
| 13:23.02 | znf | Go kill Kael'Thalas in Tempest Keep by applying that Murder of Crows DoT all in the same time |
| 13:23.22 | VIad | and what happens? |
| 13:23.24 | znf | once applied, all hunters feign death - KT dies, lootable, but it's also reset |
| 13:23.29 | VIad | lol |
| 13:23.38 | VIad | that's a weird exploit :P |
| 13:23.43 | VIad | they got banned? |
| 13:23.50 | znf | Dunno, I'm suspecting they will :D |
| 13:24.23 | znf | "I killed it about 40 times times today, we had a total of 4 mounts dropping. |
| 13:24.23 | znf | " |
| 13:24.24 | VIad | probably out of the normal when they check the log that he was looted like 100 times in a week from the same person :P |
| 13:24.26 | znf | Some guy says :P |
| 13:24.30 | VIad | yeah |
| 13:24.46 | znf | 40 kills account for 1 run to take 12 minutes, at best, doing it for about 8 hours straight. |
| 13:25.02 | VIad | I got the mount on my first try :3 |
| 13:25.02 | znf | says the same guy heh |
| 13:25.28 | VIad | actually was in there for the black temple quest chain lol accidents are fun |
| 13:25.44 | znf | Didn't even bother. Supposed to be a "rare" mount, but at any hour I can see 5 to 10 people with it in Orgrimmar :D |
| 13:26.00 | VIad | jupp |
| 13:29.30 | VIad | I am hungry :( |
| 13:30.17 | Humbedooh | eat something then! |
| 13:30.27 | VIad | fiskeboller I hvit saus |
| 13:30.29 | Semlar | that's just what your stomach wants you to do! |
| 13:31.59 | Sintacks | ah. much better. 27MB for 37 seconds |
| 13:32.02 | Sintacks | lol @ raw fraps |
| 13:32.27 | Humbedooh | VIad: fiskeboller should be in tomato soup! |
| 13:33.03 | Sintacks | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOqRZC6h3QE (not up yet) |
| 13:37.34 | Sintacks | up now |
| 13:43.46 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/QZ133Ob.gif |
| 13:43.57 | VIad | what are the numbers, the floors? |
| 13:44.09 | Semlar | yeah |
| 13:45.01 | Semlar | every floor an area is partially on |
| 13:45.13 | VIad | yeah |
| 13:45.24 | VIad | you calculated that using Z axis or? |
| 13:46.16 | Semlar | no the models actually have floors associated with them, sort of |
| 13:46.25 | VIad | hmm |
| 13:46.38 | Semlar | which means these floors are not wrong |
| 13:46.47 | Semlar | this is exactly how the game sees it |
| 13:47.09 | karl_w_w | you see the floors in everything don't you Semlar? |
| 13:47.14 | karl_w_w | you're so negative |
| 13:47.17 | VIad | :3 |
| 13:47.36 | Semlar | sometimes you have to dig down to see the truth |
| 13:48.06 | VIad | or fly up high to see the whole picture |
| 13:48.24 | karl_w_w | sometimes you chase shadows and convince yourself they're real |
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| 13:51.47 | VIad | dota is a special kind of game, personally when I first played it I didn't enjoy it, but years later it's more fun once you learn how it works - but it takes lots of patience and practice |
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| 13:52.53 | VIad | what is your POV on the subject? playing dota or? |
| 13:54.29 | VIad | Lopeppeppy: ? |
| 13:54.35 | VIad | is he wowi? :P |
| 14:00.43 | VIad | chat died, oh poo |
| 14:01.14 | Humbedooh | yes, you killed it ;( |
| 14:01.18 | Sintacks | you killed it |
| 14:01.25 | VIad | how?! |
| 14:01.32 | VIad | how can I live with myself |
| 14:01.32 | Humbedooh | by being you ;C |
| 14:01.42 | Humbedooh | yes, you must go sacrifice a puppy now :\ |
| 14:01.53 | VIad | damn you tuiasosopo! |
| 14:01.57 | Sintacks | http://www.wimp.com/puppyvs/ |
| 14:02.01 | Sintacks | there's a puppy |
| 14:02.10 | VIad | cute |
| 14:02.29 | Sintacks | fucking weird that a puppy video shows up on the next random video after Humbedooh said puppy ... |
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| 14:02.57 | Humbedooh | ^^ maybe I'm psychic ;o |
| 14:04.30 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/GIQwkGl.gif |
| 14:06.57 | Semlar | i should maybe not merge some of these |
| 14:07.50 | VIad | Semlar: you good with math? |
| 14:07.57 | Semlar | parts of the underbelly apparently extend into floor 1 |
| 14:07.59 | Sintacks | 1+1=3 |
| 14:08.15 | Semlar | i don't really want the draw all of the underbelly on floor 1 |
| 14:08.25 | VIad | Sintacks: the answer is false :P |
| 14:09.14 | Semlar | this is going to be a little more complicated |
| 14:10.59 | VIad | people adding me to msn lol DENY |
| 14:11.37 | Lopeppeppy | Bwah ha ha ha ha ha. |
| 14:12.02 | Humbedooh | VIad: they all want you ;o |
| 14:12.06 | Humbedooh | or maybe just your body |
| 14:12.13 | Humbedooh | who knows! |
| 14:15.20 | Semlar | i'm trying to figure out how any part of the black market could possibly be considered part of floor 1 in dalaran |
| 14:16.24 | Sintacks | what the heck are you doing |
| 14:16.45 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/Tj3DMKH.jpg |
| 14:17.08 | Sintacks | i saw a thing like that for Firelands the other day |
| 14:17.13 | Sintacks | dafuq is it |
| 14:18.24 | Semlar | well |
| 14:18.32 | Semlar | it's a thing |
| 14:18.41 | Sintacks | everything's a thing |
| 14:18.47 | Semlar | you don't know that! |
| 14:18.59 | Semlar | there could be things that aren't |
| 14:20.09 | Adys | Semlar: lol i love it |
| 14:20.19 | Semlar | i know right |
| 14:20.24 | Semlar | see he just doesn't get it |
| 14:21.52 | Semlar | right now i'm trying to figure out how i can split all the areas up so just the ones that matter are on the current map |
| 14:21.53 | Woho | I get it |
| 14:22.15 | Semlar | woho gets it |
| 14:22.30 | Motig | but then again I've been seeing your screenshtos for a while now :P |
| 14:22.54 | Semlar | ironically i don't have any screenshots of what it should actually look like |
| 14:23.13 | Semlar | kinda somethin like this http://i.imgur.com/bm3gS.jpg |
| 14:23.32 | Semlar | except i'm probably not going to put the labels on anything |
| 14:23.46 | VIad | looks nice |
| 14:24.43 | Motig | I like the labels |
| 14:24.49 | Sintacks | i like boobs |
| 14:25.14 | Motig | with labels |
| 14:25.25 | Semlar | RIGHT, LEFT |
| 14:25.51 | Motig | kind of reminds me of Kologarn for some reason |
| 14:26.16 | karl_w_w | we called him arm bitch |
| 14:26.47 | karl_w_w | he got that name thanks to what we called the boss after him |
| 14:26.56 | karl_w_w | any guesses what we called the boss after him? |
| 14:26.57 | Sintacks | inb4 cat bitch |
| 14:27.03 | karl_w_w | ^ |
| 14:27.37 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/41LKznC.jpg labels? |
| 14:27.47 | Sintacks | what the fuck |
| 14:28.01 | Sintacks | how are you mapping anyway |
| 14:28.01 | Semlar | i think it's pretty self explanatory |
| 14:28.02 | karl_w_w | god damn establishment trying to put labels on everything |
| 14:28.07 | karl_w_w | we're not all the same Semlar! |
| 14:28.17 | Semlar | and YOU get an isle of thunder |
| 14:28.26 | Fisker | hey Adys |
| 14:28.28 | karl_w_w | narc! |
| 14:28.38 | Adys | Fisker: http://i.imgur.com/U9Qin8a.jpg |
| 14:28.41 | Adys | Im awesome or what |
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| 14:28.49 | Adys | undead pets are amazing |
| 14:29.40 | neutronimity | Semlar - if you are here; so far I have gone through 1 LFR, and no macro has broken yet with addons disabled. |
| 14:29.48 | Semlar | hurray! |
| 14:29.49 | Fisker | resurrect or what? |
| 14:29.58 | karl_w_w | what did he level to? |
| 14:30.05 | Fisker | your mom LOL |
| 14:30.14 | VIad | Adys: tbh some achievement should unlock a XP boost passive, not just give you a hat :P |
| 14:30.14 | Kalroth | ur awsum, adys! |
| 14:30.23 | Kalroth | (what is it?) |
| 14:30.26 | Adys | Fisker: yeah it's the UD rez |
| 14:30.27 | neutronimity | Next time I'll try with only Clique enabled. |
| 14:30.33 | Adys | Fisker: cf the buff |
| 14:30.36 | VIad | so many pets, if you got let's say, 10 pets to level 25 you need some sort of XP boost like heirlooms :P |
| 14:30.39 | Semlar | neutronimity: i'm not entirely sure how an addon is breaking them without throwing an error though |
| 14:30.58 | Adys | Fisker: the croc was at 50% hp, i had 3 dots on him, and i died after two rounds when my 100% block was on cooldown |
| 14:31.00 | Adys | and then |
| 14:31.01 | Adys | REZ |
| 14:31.03 | Adys | BAM |
| 14:31.05 | Adys | IN YOUR FACE |
| 14:31.44 | Adys | and i forgot the f'king hat |
| 14:31.50 | Sintacks | pwnt |
| 14:31.52 | Sintacks | bad |
| 14:31.53 | Sintacks | pwnt |
| 14:32.00 | Sintacks | there's an addon for that |
| 14:32.01 | neutronimity | Yes, well, the Blizzard Error tracker doesn't seem to cover everything? Uhm, I dimly recall having BugSack and related installed, and it sometimes reported stuff that wasn't popping up by default. |
| 14:32.15 | Semlar | try bugsack |
| 14:32.24 | VIad | Adys: make an addon to auto equip hat in battles, and restore after battle ends :P made one for myself |
| 14:32.26 | neutronimity | Mhm. Will do. |
| 14:32.36 | Sintacks | there's already one out there |
| 14:32.43 | Sintacks | prob several |
| 14:32.57 | Adys | Sintacks: really |
| 14:32.58 | Adys | name |
| 14:33.09 | Sintacks | idfk. i don't pet battle. lol. |
| 14:33.14 | Sintacks | but ir andomly found one gand gave my GM the link |
| 14:33.18 | Sintacks | cuz she's one of those crazy people |
| 14:33.51 | Sintacks | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/auto-safari-hat |
| 14:33.52 | Sintacks | there's one |
| 14:34.10 | Adys | " and/or Guild Tabard" |
| 14:34.11 | Adys | wtf? |
| 14:34.28 | Sintacks | idk. something about guild exp |
| 14:34.30 | Adys | oh guild xp |
| 14:34.33 | Adys | meh |
| 14:34.39 | Sintacks | extra feature that isn't really needed but meh |
| 14:35.17 | Sintacks | that's got a lot more features than it had the last timne i looked |
| 14:35.26 | Semlar | sintacks did you really want to know how because i'm not entirely sure i could explain it |
| 14:35.26 | Sintacks | heh. |
| 14:35.34 | Sintacks | yes |
| 14:35.46 | Adys | i grabbed 1.0 |
| 14:35.51 | Adys | people are complaining about 1.1 |
| 14:35.54 | Semlar | you want to know how i'm making the pictures or how i'm generating the database |
| 14:36.00 | Sintacks | the db |
| 14:36.29 | Semlar | a lllllloooooot of trial and error |
| 14:36.43 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/mr97rmH.jpg |
| 14:36.52 | Sintacks | so you're just running around finding the edges of the subzones? o.O |
| 14:36.55 | Semlar | nah |
| 14:37.02 | Semlar | i'm getting it out of the files |
| 14:37.10 | Semlar | there's just.. nothing to go off of |
| 14:37.30 | Adys | Semlar: that's really not ideal |
| 14:37.35 | Semlar | no it's not |
| 14:37.41 | Adys | cf the overlap between violet rise / whispering inlet |
| 14:38.08 | Semlar | i don't have a formula for concave shapes |
| 14:40.17 | Sintacks | i should go to bed |
| 14:40.22 | Semlar | i don't want areas like the whispering inlet looking like that but i also don't want them looking jagged |
| 14:40.33 | Semlar | for one thing i'd have to store a hell of a lot more points |
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| 14:44.08 | neutronimity | The addon BugSack is bugged. :P |
| 14:44.17 | neutronimity | It's a small bug, though. |
| 14:44.46 | neutronimity | saying: Today (1): You have no bugs, yay! |
| 14:45.07 | neutronimity | I suppose 1 is actually meant to be 0 for bugs, because other tabs show 0. |
| 14:45.39 | Semlar | is 1 supposed to be a bug count |
| 14:46.21 | neutronimity | I think so. |
| 14:47.00 | neutronimity | Nah |
| 14:47.12 | neutronimity | It's weird. |
| 14:47.30 | neutronimity | Some time I'll head into LFR. But now, AH. |
| 14:51.14 | Adys | well |
| 14:51.20 | Adys | bugsack says it makes capturing bugs easier |
| 14:51.29 | Adys | i threw like three traps on that cockroach and still nothing |
| 14:51.47 | neutronimity | :( |
| 14:52.05 | neutronimity | Maybe you have the addon disabled? |
| 14:52.08 | Semlar | you have to damage it first |
| 14:52.44 | Semlar | how can you expect to capture something without pummeling it into submission |
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| 15:13.06 | VIad | wowkemon should be like pokemon, lower hp, more chance, so you don't have to take each one down to 35% before you can throw the trap :3 |
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| 16:50.59 | mikma | cairenn|afk: nsfw'ish, http://imgur.com/gallery/cYgyWCF |
| 16:51.35 | karl_w_w | http://www.keithandthegirl.com/Show/Pictures/69J9U10SCGMUF1E1S7JJ-Display.jpg |
| 16:51.37 | karl_w_w | lol |
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| 17:15.11 | Fisker | hey Parnic |
| 17:15.18 | Parnic | hi fisker |
| 17:15.32 | Fisker | going to denmark next week? |
| 17:15.40 | Parnic | only if you're flying me there |
| 17:15.54 | Fisker | not cool enough to get an invite to the surface pro launch event? |
| 17:16.01 | Parnic | no |
| 17:16.16 | Fisker | if you get me one i'll hook you up |
| 17:16.28 | Parnic | why are you so worked up about a surface pro? |
| 17:16.56 | Fisker | why not? |
| 17:19.19 | Fisker | do you hate the surface pro Parnic ? |
| 17:19.30 | Parnic | i don't |
| 17:19.57 | Fisker | then why don't you want me to get one? |
| 17:20.13 | Parnic | because you're inhuman |
| 17:21.02 | Fisker | i thought we were friends |
| 17:21.09 | Fisker | i even accepted you on xbawks liev |
| 17:21.30 | Parnic | i don't hate you |
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| 17:25.54 | Fisker | yeah you do :( |
| 17:36.21 | Stanzilla | issues group hugs |
| 17:40.42 | karl_w_w | detonates Fisker |
| 17:46.23 | Fisker | hey Stanzilla |
| 17:46.25 | Fisker | i want google now |
| 17:46.29 | Fisker | but they won't let me have it |
| 17:46.57 | cogwheel | slaps fisker around a bit with a large freemium game |
| 17:48.17 | Fisker | hey cogwheel |
| 17:48.20 | Fisker | i want a surface pro :( |
| 17:49.03 | cogwheel | i'm sorry (that you want one) |
| 17:49.09 | Fisker | why? |
| 17:49.16 | cogwheel | yay fire drill |
| 17:49.17 | cogwheel | afk |
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| 18:01.54 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 18:01.57 | Fisker | everyone hates .( |
| 18:02.06 | cogwheel | we survived the fire drill |
| 18:03.55 | Fisker | damn |
| 18:05.59 | ccox | To be fair, cogwheel did roll +2 resist against stairclimbing |
| 18:09.44 | karl_w_w | and +1 walkdon'trun |
| 18:16.09 | haste | hey Fisker |
| 18:29.41 | Fisker | hey |
| 18:29.44 | Fisker | people are mean |
| 18:32.19 | ccox | Cairenn: http://www.buzzfeed.com/mattbellassai/cats-that-forgot-how-to-cat |
| 18:32.29 | Cairenn | lol |
| 18:34.34 | Cairenn | oh my, I'm laughing so hard I've got tears running down my cheeks |
| 18:43.07 | zenzelezz | ccox: brilliant |
| 18:43.44 | Cairenn | http://www.buzzfeed.com/summeranne/how-to-raise-some-cats-by-nine-year-old-wyatt |
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| 18:53.23 | pompy | http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/list/000/080/629/2454261903_261d9bd411_o.png |
| 18:59.23 | Cairenn | heh |
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| 19:24.41 | Fisker | so haste |
| 19:24.57 | Fisker | wireless charging pls |
| 19:26.24 | karl_w_w | steals Fisker's orb |
| 19:26.26 | Fisker | nooooooooooooo |
| 19:26.38 | Fisker | but i figured as much |
| 19:26.47 | Fisker | orb delayed on that site that everyone was busy quoting |
| 19:29.15 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr like bear! |
| 19:29.50 | Lopeppeppy | Cairenn, have I ever recommended books by Christopher Moore to you? I re-read one last night, reminded me that you'd get a kick out of him. |
| 19:30.08 | Cairenn | Yeah |
| 19:31.22 | Lopeppeppy | It was the one about Death, but I loved his run up of King Lear too. And Lamb. And Coyote Blue. |
| 19:31.30 | Cairenn | :) |
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| 19:50.01 | Arrow|phone | I'm watching paint dry |
| 19:50.45 | Arrow|phone | I mean migrating a users data to a new computer |
| 19:52.32 | Arrow|phone | Boring |
| 19:53.11 | karl_w_w | that would be more interesting that paint to me |
| 19:53.44 | karl_w_w | than paint* |
| 19:53.52 | Arrow|phone | I run the program and wait |
| 19:54.15 | Arrow|phone | This guy has a lot of data |
| 19:54.22 | karl_w_w | is there some kind of progress indication? that's better than paint |
| 19:54.48 | karl_w_w | bonus points if you can watch random filenames or similar flicker by |
| 19:54.51 | Arrow|phone | Yes its at 78% now |
| 19:55.12 | Arrow|phone | I'm not sure how accurate that is though |
| 19:55.24 | Arrow|phone | No filenames |
| 19:56.20 | Arrow|phone | Yesterday a user had a bunch of music and it jumped to 89% then took forever from there |
| 19:57.12 | Arrow|phone | Good news is that I got my tracking number from thinkgeek |
| 19:57.25 | Lopeppeppy | Wonder how many frenchtoasts this storm is rated in my area. |
| 19:57.34 | karl_w_w | what are you buying Arrow|phone? |
| 19:58.08 | Arrow|phone | And details for how to setup my account in my employers payment system |
| 19:58.35 | Lopeppeppy | A foot to a foot and a half. That's some serious french toasts. |
| 19:58.48 | Arrow|phone | I bought a bag of holding, executive silver version |
| 20:10.50 | Fisker | don't hate me haste |
| 20:11.27 | haste | too tired to hate Fisker |
| 20:11.31 | Fisker | good |
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| 21:16.53 | pompy | http://www.facebook.com/SpaceX/posts/10152538040655131 |
| 21:18.11 | Maldivia | 227k likes in half an hour... that's what I call spreading the word :P |
| 21:18.57 | pompy | ;) |
| 21:19.06 | pompy | http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/186168/Gabe_Newells_vision_for_Steam_More_choice_more_democracy_less_Greenlight.php |
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| 21:20.11 | pompy | Maldivia: noo that 227k is their overall likes for their page since they first created it! |
| 21:20.31 | pompy | the post has 520 likes and 101 shares |
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| 21:22.14 | pompy | anddd http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/3114-WoW-Down-to-9-6-Million-Subscribers |
| 21:22.29 | Maldivia | pompy: ah, ok - misread then :) |
| 21:22.41 | Maldivia | pompy: otherwise I was pretty impressed at their reach |
| 21:23.05 | Maldivia | but yeah, can see that now :) |
| 21:23.24 | Maldivia | bad UI design |
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| 21:58.38 | VIad | Maldivia: bad UI design? |
| 22:00.01 | cogwheel | VIad: the context of "#### like this" isn't very well-established |
| 22:00.16 | VIad | cogwheel: ? :( |
| 22:00.35 | cogwheel | the Facebook UI he was talking about |
| 22:00.50 | VIad | ahh |
| 22:00.53 | VIad | I see |
| 22:01.26 | cogwheel | oh heh... did you think he meant wow's subscriber numbers dropped because of bad ui design? |
| 22:01.39 | VIad | lol sounded like that :P |
| 22:02.11 | cogwheel | context failure describing context failure |
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| 22:02.53 | Maldivia | :P |
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| 22:29.48 | VIad | lol my friend never replied to me and just logged |
| 22:29.50 | VIad | that's rude |
| 22:30.04 | VIad | going to bed or not, it's nice to say good night when someone speaks to you at least :P |
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| 22:52.40 | VIad | Semlar: sleeping? |
| 22:52.52 | Semlar | no |
| 22:53.09 | Semlar | i've never been the type to sleep |
| 22:55.03 | Adys | Bibi: ping |
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| 22:57.23 | VIad | want a song, Semlar? |
| 22:57.51 | Semlar | i want dinner |
| 22:59.50 | VIad | Divalola - Wallflower http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivcnSCHYBXs |
| 23:05.29 | VIad | Semlar: going to bed soon |
| 23:05.31 | VIad | dead tired |
| 23:08.31 | VIad | Semlar don't leave me :( |
| 23:12.21 | Cairenn | no wonder you guys are tired, all that hacking going on this morning |
| 23:13.00 | VIad | I need a hero, I'm holding out for a hero... |
| 23:13.03 | VIad | hey Cairenn |
| 23:13.08 | Cairenn | Hi |
| 23:13.23 | VIad | yes we had fun testing out something that worked in the end |
| 23:13.37 | VIad | took 5 min to test tough so not tired because of that lol |
| 23:14.24 | VIad | Cairenn: how's your day? |
| 23:14.31 | VIad | bet no one asks you that question in here :P |
| 23:14.34 | Cairenn | It's been quiet so far, which is fine by me |
| 23:14.44 | Cairenn | Heh, yeah, never hear that ... |
| 23:15.12 | VIad | does your husband hang around irc too? |
| 23:15.18 | Cairenn | No |
| 23:15.39 | VIad | :( |
| 23:17.44 | VIad | he ain't into computers? |
| 23:17.51 | VIad | I guess you are the geek in the family, or no? :D |
| 23:17.52 | Cairenn | Oh, he's into computers |
| 23:18.42 | Cairenn | He just doesn't have time to be on IRC |
| 23:20.22 | VIad | who is the most geek at home? |
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| 23:20.38 | Cairenn | That'd be a toss up between all of us |
| 23:20.41 | VIad | :D |
| 23:21.03 | Thunder_Child | $5 says it's your daughter |
| 23:21.11 | Thunder_Child | she actually grew up with it |
| 23:21.24 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: yes and no |
| 23:21.52 | Thunder_Child | I know it's canada but you still have tech up there in the frozen nother |
| 23:21.55 | Thunder_Child | morth* |
| 23:21.57 | Cairenn | :p |
| 23:21.59 | Thunder_Child | ...North* |
| 23:22.02 | VIad | I find it odd because even if technology is more common, people still prefer the easy plug and play options, so doesn't mean everyone knows how to setup routers or fix technical stuff :P |
| 23:22.21 | VIad | when I was little I imagined everyone would do what I do, only at younger age, but turns out it's not like this :p |
| 23:22.34 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: we're all pretty geeky |
| 23:23.13 | VIad | playing games != geek :P |
| 23:23.28 | VIad | gotta have coding involved, or math, to be a true geek |
| 23:23.31 | Cairenn | running fan sites for people that like to modify games |
| 23:23.40 | Cairenn | I'd say that's pretty geeky |
| 23:24.02 | VIad | or nerdy? |
| 23:24.22 | Cairenn | pick your word |
| 23:24.29 | VIad | nerd and geek must be different |
| 23:24.33 | VIad | hmm |
| 23:24.43 | Cairenn | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9ficvPdpZg&feature=youtu.be |
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| 23:25.53 | VIad | funny how he tricks them by having it upside down |
| 23:28.46 | Mr_Rabies | argh |
| 23:29.00 | Mr_Rabies | i feel like every day i have another story about a terrible group |
| 23:29.17 | Mr_Rabies | i only run one 5 man and one scenario every day anymore and each one is terrible :( |
| 23:30.22 | Mr_Rabies | took almost an hour to run niuzao temple |
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| 23:31.03 | Mr_Rabies | the healer and i, the tank, were top dps by a wide margin |
| 23:31.11 | Mr_Rabies | combined we did like 70% of the group's dps |
| 23:33.56 | Mr_Rabies | i just don't have patience for this crap anymore :( |
| 23:40.16 | Amarande | hm, I don't think I've ever seen Niuzao Temple |
| 23:40.45 | VIad | I have, it's not THAT fun |
| 23:40.47 | VIad | :P |
| 23:40.53 | Amarande | I know it's one of The Three, though |
| 23:40.53 | VIad | insect mobs are lame imo |
| 23:41.16 | Amarande | as in, the three instances where in 5.2 you get bonus valor if you get them as a random |
| 23:41.33 | Amarande | I'm surprised Shado-Pan Monastery is on the list though, I don't think I've seen anyone dislike that one :S |
| 23:41.42 | VIad | I think it's a bit long :P |
| 23:41.45 | haste | this is all your fault Fisker |
| 23:41.47 | VIad | and too much of the same :( |
| 23:41.57 | Semlar|Laptop | that's what she said |
| 23:42.03 | Amarande | or Scholo for that matter, unless there's some horribad mechanic that kicks in on Heroic that I don't know about |
| 23:42.08 | VIad | scholo is nice |
| 23:42.17 | Amarande | e.g. how Scarlet Halls has that EFFING ACCURSED BLADES OF LIGHT |
| 23:43.02 | Amarande | gah, I think that's on my list of candidates for worst 5-man mechanic ever |
| 23:43.21 | Amarande | seriously, Harlan pretty much whirls around just about at random, like the friggin Tasmanian Devil from a Bugs Bunny cartoon :P |
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