| 00:02.56 | Adys | Semlar|Laptop: if you think theres a bug there could you contact him directly please |
| 00:03.17 | Adys | ladislav dot zezula at avg dot com |
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| 00:49.21 | kd3 | http://i.imgur.com/KS9mXKq.jpg |
| 00:49.22 | kd3 | ha |
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| 01:31.02 | Shirik | cool: http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9236538/Largest_known_prime_number_17M_digits_long_discovered |
| 01:33.31 | Shirik | http://faust87.tumblr.com/post/42346925869/i-need-to-start-playing-guild-wars-2 |
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| 01:45.03 | kd3 | hm. 200 more points for a test of valor |
| 01:45.11 | kd3 | taps his foot waiting for LFRs to pop |
| 01:46.28 | Amarande | ahhh, the traditional evening. one of the few times you can play wow anymore without having to think about the timing of things. :) |
| 01:46.42 | Amarande | I'm still reading this thread about the 5.1 time changes. It leaves me with a distinct impression. |
| 01:47.06 | Shirik | woah |
| 01:47.07 | Amarande | They need to add a new item to the Blizzard store as an accessory for WoW players. It should be a WoW-themed version of those multi-clock things you see in hotels and airports and such |
| 01:47.08 | Shirik | 8.0 earthquake |
| 01:47.30 | Amarande | the ones that have all the clocks with the labels "LONDON" "NEW YORK" "LOS ANGELES" "TOKYO" etc. heh |
| 01:47.51 | Amarande | Shirik: ouch, where? |
| 01:48.07 | Shirik | santa cruz islands |
| 01:48.15 | TC-work | I show 6.3 |
| 01:48.17 | Amarande | ah |
| 01:48.31 | Shirik | http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/usc000f1s0#summary |
| 01:49.37 | kd3 | grr |
| 01:50.21 | kd3 | freaking scenario bugged out and we couldn't start it, now I've got deserter debuff too |
| 01:50.23 | kd3 | damn it, blizz |
| 01:50.24 | TC-work | Wow, they mess up their own email |
| 01:50.27 | TC-work | messed* |
| 01:51.11 | Amarande | kd3: those are three pretty common words among the playerbase nowadays, actually, so you've got plenty of company :S |
| 01:51.23 | TC-work | Shirik: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/usc000f1r5#summary |
| 01:51.25 | Amarande | I thought they disabled some of the scenarios because they were buggy, though? |
| 01:51.30 | Amarande | (the three words being "damn it, Blizz" heh) |
| 01:52.14 | Amarande | oh dear |
| 01:52.24 | Amarande | here I am in Gadgetzan and I'm hearing the yells from the arena thingy whatever it's called |
| 01:52.54 | Amarande | "Dr. Dealwell yells: The Ginormus has fallen! $n looks like $Ghe's:she's; ready for more!" |
| 01:53.00 | Amarande | damn it, blizz |
| 01:53.01 | Amarande | heh |
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| 02:04.32 | Amarande | ouch |
| 02:04.52 | Amarande | apparently the new cooldown system is quite a bear to code for in addons compared to the old one :( |
| 02:05.09 | Amarande | reading Alyred's comments on Ara Broker Tradeskills, which is the addon I use that now gives the wrong CD reset times due to 5.1 |
| 02:13.48 | kd3 | wtf; http://i.imgur.com/6NyZpiJ.jpg |
| 02:14.28 | Amarande | wow |
| 02:14.47 | Amarande | that blows my "most expensive booze price tag ever seen" record out of the water |
| 02:15.20 | Amarande | that used to be ... $500 for a bottle of some sort of Patron (whatever the kind is that comes in the black box with the silvered picture on it) that I saw at the liquor store at Dragon Con |
| 02:15.34 | Amarande | and I thought *that* was too much :p |
| 02:21.00 | Jammer | but that barrel contains 258 bottles :p |
| 02:23.58 | Amarande | wonder how long it would take to go through that much whiskey. :) |
| 02:29.17 | Motig | that depends on how you plan to consume it! |
| 02:30.23 | Amarande | yeah, it could take years if you drank it the way I went through this 1.75L of Captain |
| 02:30.29 | Amarande | which has lasted me about a couple months or so I think |
| 02:31.11 | Amarande | hrm |
| 02:31.20 | Amarande | you know what they really should have done with these 5.1 time changes but *didn't* do? |
| 02:31.31 | Amarande | they need to just bite the bullet and put all the servers on Pacific time :S |
| 02:32.04 | Jammer | ye probably, quite weird to have different time on servers |
| 02:32.11 | Amarande | now it's "you have your choice of server timezones, but not really, because everything really runs on Pacific time anyway & now you have to figure out the time differentials on top of everything else" |
| 02:32.23 | Amarande | (which, according to Alyred, is apparently not that easy to do in addons, for instance) |
| 02:33.15 | Amarande | Jammer: it used to actually matter, but now as part of the latest bandaids for CRZ, they've had to move all the world events, including dailies and profession CDs, to a single time zone per region (PST was chosen for NA) |
| 02:33.37 | Amarande | the only thing that wasn't changed to that universal standard was apparently raid and heroic lockouts |
| 02:34.17 | Amarande | however, the effect of this is that people are now all forced to base their world event participation on Pacific, even though their server might be on Eastern |
| 02:34.31 | Amarande | which rather defeats the point of choosing an Eastern time zone server to begin with (and you can have the game display both local and server time anyway :P) |
| 02:34.54 | Amarande | there's also talk of it possibly making AH items even more expensive on the East Coast servers, too |
| 02:35.39 | Motig | I'm glad I don't face any of those issues on my eu realm, it sounds like a hassle |
| 02:35.43 | Amarande | because double-dipping alchemy transmutes during part of the peak time period isn't possible anymore |
| 02:35.59 | Amarande | see, previously, it was pretty common that an alchemist could sell two transmutes during a single evening |
| 02:36.12 | Amarande | because transmutes always reset at midnight, and server activity doesn't usually drop off till significantly after midnight |
| 02:36.44 | Amarande | mind you you couldn't do it every day. but a lot of people don't log on daily, or their alchemist is an alt they don't use daily. so it resulted in twice as many transmutes from those alchemists as would otherwise be seen. |
| 02:36.58 | Jammer | they moved it from midnight tho |
| 02:36.59 | Amarande | but now the reset time on the East Coast is 6AM, when most people are either in bed or busy getting ready for work/school |
| 02:37.27 | Amarande | upshot: this suggests now there will be significantly fewer alchemy-produced items on the market, and a resultant spike in prices |
| 02:37.41 | Jammer | it's with daily quest reset which is like 4am in EU servers |
| 02:37.55 | Amarande | oh, and don't forget that the limiting factor for crafted plate armour for your tanks is ... living steel! |
| 02:38.35 | Amarande | Jammer: in the US it was consistently midnight |
| 02:38.43 | Amarande | more importantly for addon purposes, it was a fixed SERVER time |
| 02:39.13 | Amarande | now addons that track cooldowns (in NA, anyway) have to go through the much more arduous task of ascertaining server timezone and figuring the reset time accordingly |
| 02:39.43 | Amarande | because, to support CRZ, now everything's a fixed absolute time and thus a different realm time on different realms |
| 02:41.05 | Amarande | both ara broker tradeskills and skillet seem to have gone insane now in terms of showing remaining cooldown time thanks to that. :( |
| 02:42.17 | Amarande | as in, I now seem to actually get at least two different readouts on the cooldown, and as far as I can tell, neither of them is correct *headdesk* |
| 02:43.12 | Amarande | also, the daily reset move is not very good for those of us on the US East Coast either |
| 02:43.34 | Amarande | used to be you could get up super early in the morning to work on your dailies, and make sure they were out of the way and then when you got home from work you could do whatever |
| 02:43.40 | Amarande | now the reset time is in the middle of that :| |
| 02:43.55 | Neffi | Ugh. Anyone having problems logging in? |
| 02:44.40 | Amarande | not here, nope |
| 02:44.44 | Amarande | wow, Turalyon's a high pop realm now |
| 02:44.56 | Amarande | and people give up medium pop realms for dead heh |
| 02:44.58 | Neffi | My first time playing in amonth and it's caught "logging into game server" on every realm |
| 02:45.03 | Amarande | Neffi: which region? |
| 02:45.22 | Neffi | US |
| 02:45.26 | Amarande | hm. odd. |
| 02:45.46 | Neffi | Ah. There we go. After 5 attempts and 60 seconds of waiting on "connected" |
| 02:46.01 | Amarande | Also with the fishing tournament changes and other CRaZiness, I'm surprised The Venture Co is still a dead server (based on the population list anyway, I haven't a character there). Heh. |
| 02:46.15 | Amarande | I'd think them and Ravenholdt would be bursting at the seams now :) |
| 02:46.42 | Amarande | hm. do not as many people hate CRZ as the forums (where the reaction is almost universally negative, except for a few "well I'll give you that it helps _____" specific points) would indicate? |
| 02:47.10 | Neffi | The response has generally been conservative |
| 02:47.18 | Neffi | Most people seem not to care one way or the other |
| 02:47.28 | Amarande | as for why those two particular servers |
| 02:47.36 | Amarande | that would be because the two are the only two that are never CRZ'd by default |
| 02:47.41 | Neffi | I mean, out of 10 million people, you can't assume the few thousand on the forums represent the collective |
| 02:47.43 | Amarande | despite TVC being a virtually dead server |
| 02:47.47 | Neffi | They really just represent the people who like to bitch |
| 02:48.15 | Amarande | although, it *does* kind of surprise me that there aren't a lot of people rolling on Venture Co and Ravenholdt just to have a better crack at the fishing tournament, though |
| 02:48.23 | Neffi | I like CRZ to be honest. It makes leveling far more enjoyable. |
| 02:48.33 | Amarande | since those are also the only ones where you never have to worry about consistently losing to other-realm players |
| 02:48.45 | Neffi | Sure it also means I can't single-handedly own the market for legacy herbs and ore, but it should have never been like that in the first plac.e |
| 02:49.01 | Amarande | (reason: both are RP-PVP, and are also the only such servers in their data centres, so they have no eligible realms to be pooled with, as CRZ doesn't cross RP or PVP lines) |
| 02:49.38 | Amarande | on a weirder note: am I just thinking it, or are the 50-55 zones the most difficult to plan getting the quest achievements for :) |
| 02:49.48 | Amarande | (and yes, with logical reason) |
| 02:50.00 | Neffi | Never had a problem |
| 02:50.15 | Neffi | I'd say HFP is the hardest. 24/7 gankfest with CRZ. |
| 02:50.39 | Amarande | well, the thing that occurs to me is this, at least if you want to snag the zone achievements while leveling instead of steamrolling them with a 90 (also: it apparently ticks off lowbies to do this, as the respawn is not quick enough and they feel like their play is obstructed) |
| 02:51.14 | Amarande | If your character takes any of Tailoring, Alchemy, Blacksmithing, or Leatherworking, and you care about recipes (and you should, because these particular ones are rather nice xmogs) |
| 02:51.31 | Amarande | you'll need to rep up with the Thorium Brotherhood in order to complete your recipe list |
| 02:52.09 | Amarande | the good news is that that's really easy to do. you're about 2/3 of the way through revered with ThoBros just by doing Searing Gorge and Burning Steppes with membership in a guild with the rep perk (or as a human). |
| 02:52.24 | Amarande | the bad news is that this pre-plans that you're going to be leveling through those zones |
| 02:52.47 | Amarande | and by the time you do finish Burning Steppes, you're already 54-55, which means you're ready to go straight to Blasted Lands and the 50-55 zones get missed-out |
| 02:53.26 | Neffi | I actually think that sort of dulls the leveling experience tbh |
| 02:53.28 | Amarande | which means if you're a crafting completist, it seems you basically have to assign Un'Goro and Swamp of Sorrows to characters that are either JCs, scribes, or dual gatherers :) |
| 02:53.44 | Neffi | Way back when you could hit every zone and do every quest without worrying about outleveling it all too quickly |
| 02:53.51 | Amarande | I know |
| 02:53.55 | Amarande | and there were actually orange and red quests, too |
| 02:54.00 | Amarande | can you even GET an orange or a red quest anymore? |
| 02:54.18 | Neffi | nowadays if you throw on looms, most of the zones out there get outleveled before you even finish the quest lines in it |
| 02:54.34 | Amarande | maybe in Outland or Northrend somewhere, and a few random Panda storyline stuff that's marked as 90 without really involving being 90, but that's about it :| |
| 02:54.58 | Amarande | it seems most places won't even allow you to get the quests there unless you're at the lowest 2 levels below the quest level |
| 02:55.38 | Amarande | back in pre-cata days, you often actually got quests that you were expected to use discretion on when to actually do because they were orange or even red when you got them |
| 02:55.44 | Neffi | roughly. i tend to not hit a zone until I'm at the lower recommended level of the bracket. otherwise, you find you can't get the vast majority of quests. |
| 02:56.11 | Amarande | actually, nowadays even if you don't throw on looms, most of the zones out there get outleveled before you even finish the quest lines in them |
| 02:56.17 | Neffi | and come to think of it, i havent actually seen a red quest in a couple years, and orange is rare |
| 02:57.06 | Amarande | consider say the Plaguelands, if you arrive at 35, everything in WPL's gone green by the time you've finished it, and when you move eastwards then, EPL will then be green always |
| 02:57.56 | Amarande | it gets worse at the lower levels, I used my priest to collect the Darkshore and Ashenvale quest achievements, and in both cases I distinctly remember having to fight several grey mobs before finishing |
| 02:58.20 | Amarande | and then, of course, there's the king of them all, Stonetalon as Alliance |
| 02:58.39 | Amarande | Doing this achievement at the present time, you'll find that quite all your quests will be grey, and you can't really avoid that. :) |
| 02:58.50 | Neffi | i dont think it should necessarily be different. leveling takes long enough already. but the game has overgrown in scope. |
| 02:59.13 | Neffi | in raw size, the game world is larger than new york city |
| 02:59.24 | Neffi | all 5 boroughs, not just manhattan |
| 02:59.54 | Neffi | (Kalimdor is a bit larger than Manhattan, being somewhat close in size to Staten Island) |
| 03:00.51 | Amarande | well, that really doesn't so much say that WoW is huge |
| 03:01.12 | Amarande | it goes more to say how tiny supposedly big RPG game worlds really are, especially in the modern seamless-3D detailed paradigm |
| 03:01.12 | Neffi | comparative to other games, it is |
| 03:01.30 | Neffi | i don't think it's reasonable to have a game world larger than WoW is |
| 03:01.42 | Amarande | (it wasn't necessarily the case in say the olden days with tile based maps and separate city/dungeon/combat scales, where the map could be any size you could imagine) |
| 03:01.47 | Neffi | you might think "the whole world is only as big as 1 city?" but NYC is fucking large in land area |
| 03:02.15 | Amarande | well, keep in mind olden days of tile based maps (e.g. Ultima), or overland map drawings that you moved a player icon on (e.g., Gold Box) |
| 03:02.16 | Neffi | i think for the open-world paradigm, WoW is a very good size. |
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| 03:02.37 | Neffi | It's on the upper end of the scale, and it makes it interesting. But too much larger and it would just be too large. |
| 03:02.37 | Amarande | the world then could then really be quite reasonably big, because of the multi-scaled structure (you went to an entirely different map when you entered a town or dungeon) |
| 03:03.00 | Neffi | Most of the world is already deserted, and WoW has the highest population of any MMO. Try to make it twice as big and it wouldn't be feasible. |
| 03:03.05 | Amarande | The world shrinkage is really blamable on the fact that now "the standard" is for things to be seamless 3D |
| 03:03.41 | Amarande | I'm not sure how LOTRO got away with it, since I'm pretty sure Tolkien's world zones are actually supposed to be a certain size that's considerably larger than any game, yet the MMO implementation is naturally quite tiny |
| 03:04.05 | Neffi | Middle-Earth s fucking huge |
| 03:04.08 | Neffi | I have a map, sec |
| 03:04.28 | Amarande | exactly, yet any given zone in LOTRO is going to be orders of magnitude tinier than it "should" be in Middle Earth |
| 03:05.01 | Amarande | thus, it's the gameplay design (everything needs to be in detailed 3D with seamless walking around, no more "you enter a town and move to the town map" constructs ...) that is the issue |
| 03:05.13 | Neffi | the shire is probably a thousand miles across |
| 03:05.24 | Neffi | maybe 500. but it's not less |
| 03:05.40 | Amarande | it happened to Ultima later on too ... I think it takes something like maybe two hours game time to cross Britannia from Trinsic to the coast near Moonglow in Ultima VII |
| 03:05.50 | Neffi | and the shire is tiny compared to the whole middle-earth. and middle-earth is only one region in the world, not considering the lands over the sea that the elves fled to |
| 03:06.03 | Amarande | And Serpent Isle is supposed to be a whole full-fledged continent, but in reality it takes the same couple hours or so game time to traverse it |
| 03:06.06 | Neffi | I have every book of his and of all the maps they contain, only a portion of the world is actually shown |
| 03:06.28 | Amarande | (keep in mind also that most teleportation in Serpent Isle is forbidden for story reasons, so this is really a matter of *walking* time being that short) |
| 03:06.56 | Neffi | but would you have it take more than that? |
| 03:07.10 | Amarande | well, it doesn't take that much *real* time |
| 03:07.14 | Neffi | it's no simple matter to construct worlds on realistic scales, and it's not necessarily more enjoyable |
| 03:07.20 | Amarande | I mean it only takes that long in terms of game-world time |
| 03:07.53 | Amarande | I seem to remember in Ultima V (the first one that had a world day/night cycle), it took QUITE a lot longer than two hours in-world time to walk from tip to tip of Britannia |
| 03:08.13 | Neffi | WoW has a large team with massive funding, and they don't have the resources to build a world rivaling the size of North America, let alone multi-continent. |
| 03:08.27 | Amarande | It's easy enough to build a multi-continent game world. |
| 03:08.28 | Neffi | Nor can that much content be consumed by the player base in any amount of time |
| 03:08.46 | Amarande | The thing is that you can't do it without accepting certain constructs of gameplay that were standard back in the 80s and 90s, but are considered archaic now. |
| 03:08.48 | Neffi | Hell the real-world North America still has ample undiscovered shit, and places people have never walked |
| 03:09.12 | Neffi | The concept of porting somewhere doesnt necessarily add anything of value |
| 03:09.20 | Neffi | Like old level-based games did |
| 03:09.26 | Amarande | Primary among this is that you have to have a separate "overland map" mode in which distances are compressed and it takes considerably more in-world time to move from place to place. |
| 03:09.50 | Neffi | I like the open world paradigm. One big reason is a lot of the little easter eggs in the design, and the detail placed into far-off corners and caves. It really adds a lot to exploration. |
| 03:10.01 | Amarande | Like in the old Gold Box games, when you were in town or dungeon, it only took one minute in-world time when you moved a single square on the map (or ten minutes if you had search mode on). |
| 03:10.14 | Amarande | On the overland map a single step caused several hours in-world time to pass. |
| 03:10.38 | Amarande | That was another thing back in the day. Almost all RPGs were turn-based, so an action could indeed take an arbitrary amount of time without stretching implementations. |
| 03:10.43 | Neffi | I think it's a non-issue |
| 03:10.56 | Neffi | WoW's world design is tremendously good. One of the best things about the game. |
| 03:11.14 | Neffi | Also turn-based is boring |
| 03:11.28 | Amarande | Badly implemented turn-based is boring. |
| 03:11.30 | Neffi | It has niche appeal, but there's a reason real-time action is so much more popular |
| 03:11.48 | Amarande | I've actually noticed I have a certain dichotomy of reaction to difficulty according to whether a game is turn-based or real-time. |
| 03:11.53 | Neffi | anyway, I'm going to play the game now. it's been a while since I had the chance. |
| 03:11.59 | Amarande | In turn-based games, I tend to relish even extraordinarily high difficulty levels |
| 03:12.12 | Amarande | In real-time games, I tend to hate it when things get harder than a certain threshold, *quickly* |
| 03:12.28 | Amarande | have fun. :) |
| 03:13.29 | Amarande | oh, yeah, reason why all quests in Stonetalon as Alliance are grey, pretty much: |
| 03:13.30 | Amarande | http://www.lunasanguine.com/gallery3/var/albums/Screenshots/World-of-Warcraft/WoWScrnShot_020513_152000.jpg?m=1360119614 |
| 03:13.50 | Amarande | see that yellow ! in the distance? you need it, or you can barely quest there at all. you also can't get there without flying. damn it, blizz. :) |
| 03:23.53 | Semlar | sounds like you better get to hoppin |
| 03:25.52 | Amarande | actually I just finished up that achievement today |
| 03:26.01 | Amarande | my mage had 43/55 from leveling before it got bugged |
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| 03:28.34 | Amarande | gaaahhhh |
| 03:28.41 | Amarande | gold sellers are using real id requests now to spam :( |
| 03:28.59 | Neffi | at least it ain't as bad as the old days |
| 03:29.07 | Neffi | they've *really* improved on that alot |
| 03:29.58 | Neffi | almost had a heart attack |
| 03:30.19 | Neffi | sent all my gold to an alt before i stopped playing. totally forgot. |
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| 03:42.31 | Mr_Rabies | <Amarande> gold sellers are using real id requests now to spam :( |
| 03:42.36 | Mr_Rabies | they have been since at least D3's launch |
| 03:42.42 | Mr_Rabies | get badboy, it'll auto-report em |
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| 04:27.45 | Kaylin1 | oic |
| 04:28.09 | Stanzilla | it's a Kaylin1 |
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| 04:39.53 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/7810052929#1 |
| 04:40.08 | bluspacecow | Interesting how it lists which addons are loading and which are loaded in the crash report. |
| 04:41.40 | karl_w_w | umad? |
| 04:50.08 | Neffi | Why not? |
| 04:50.43 | Neffi | If a crash is happening for only a small minority of the playerbase, it makes sense to consider which addons they have in common and then test that addon to see what it's doing that others are not |
| 04:50.49 | Neffi | API calls can have bugs too |
| 04:51.43 | karl_w_w | Flameglow, a new talent is available at level 30 and replaces Blazing Speed. The passive ability encases the Mage in fiery energy, absorbing damage from each attack made against the Mage equal to 20% of their spellpower, up to a maximum of 30% of the attack. <- that's pathetic, how am i gonna tank a boss with a piddle ~5000 damage shield? |
| 04:51.51 | karl_w_w | piddly* |
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| 04:52.20 | Neffi | By the way, that's a passive talent, not active |
| 04:52.28 | Neffi | Ie, it's an always-up shield |
| 04:52.43 | karl_w_w | i know |
| 04:52.48 | Neffi | I didn't realize that at first. It makes it a reasonable choice. |
| 04:55.11 | karl_w_w | you would have to get hit 17 times within 25 seconds to make it better than ice barrier |
| 04:55.22 | Neffi | ice barrier is dispellable |
| 04:55.39 | TC-work | 20% DR is nice |
| 04:55.39 | Neffi | but i agree it's a paltry choice. but not useless, just only has situational appeal |
| 04:55.54 | karl_w_w | and each hit would need to be big enough that you don't run up against the 30% health cap |
| 04:56.04 | karl_w_w | it's 20% of your spell power TC-work |
| 04:56.11 | karl_w_w | not 20% of the hit |
| 04:56.23 | Neffi | IMO class-specific shields should be undispellable |
| 04:56.28 | TC-work | get more sp |
| 04:56.34 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 04:56.35 | Neffi | It's core defense. If it's too strong, make up for it. |
| 04:56.59 | karl_w_w | "get more sp" speaks for itself |
| 04:57.07 | TC-work | except you want it anyway |
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| 04:57.21 | Neffi | true |
| 04:57.22 | karl_w_w | exactly, so that's a completely redundant suggestion |
| 04:57.47 | Neffi | being better than the alternative doesn't mean everything |
| 04:58.03 | Neffi | I'm of the philosophy that every class should be strong |
| 05:09.41 | karl_w_w | oh look, 5.1.0a |
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| 05:38.18 | Amarande | yeah, this talent seems like a bunch of fail really :( |
| 05:38.25 | Amarande | speaking as someone who's mained a mage lately |
| 05:38.58 | Amarande | it's a damage shield that doesn't absorb the whole hit most of the time, which is ... not really solving the real problem with being hit as a mage |
| 05:39.05 | Amarande | whereas Ice Barrier actually DOES solve said real problem |
| 05:39.36 | Amarande | the real issue is usually spell pushback, not "I can't take the damage" |
| 05:40.03 | Amarande | and since it's level 30, you can't have both it and IB, either |
| 05:42.04 | Stanzilla | it's a pretty good ability |
| 05:42.47 | Amarande | perhaps. the question is does it really help you in the long run vs. IB |
| 05:43.10 | Amarande | keep in mind that while IB holds you get to spam spells without problem, while with Flameglow you're going to cast spells more slowly because you'll still get pushback |
| 05:43.31 | Amarande | although oddly enough I've seen a very few mobs that seem to be able to induce pushback even when you're in IB |
| 05:43.36 | Amarande | I'm not entirely sure why, tbh |
| 05:43.47 | Stanzilla | it's useful in raids |
| 05:43.51 | Stanzilla | when you get dmg all the time |
| 05:43.51 | Amarande | especially since they're not bosses or anything special, IIRC last time it happened was some or other generic mob in Northrend |
| 05:44.44 | Amarande | I suppose it's useful when we get the stupid unbound spirits or whatever it is daily for golden lotus, too |
| 05:45.07 | Amarande | gah, those things are annoying when they're up. one moment you're killing mogu and the next thing you're being swarmed by 422372893718978924 adds |
| 05:46.58 | Amarande | and yeah mages really do need less squishiness |
| 05:47.00 | Amarande | seriously. |
| 05:47.09 | Amarande | they're the only cloth class that has neither healing nor a pet |
| 05:47.11 | Stanzilla | your view is very limited |
| 05:47.29 | Amarande | anyway, I need to get to sleep |
| 05:49.32 | karl_w_w | im a mage and i have both healing and a pet |
| 05:49.53 | Semlar | i've fought enough mages to know they really aren't all that squishy |
| 05:50.13 | karl_w_w | i heal better than locks and hunters and rogues and warriors |
| 05:50.17 | karl_w_w | when i need to |
| 05:50.56 | Semlar | oh god, i did an arena once as a warrior with some spec that wouldn't let me charge in combat |
| 05:51.08 | Semlar | i was chasing this frost mage around |
| 05:51.15 | Semlar | for like 20 minutes |
| 05:51.34 | Stanzilla | karl_w_w: it's amarande |
| 05:51.37 | Stanzilla | just ignore his stupid |
| 05:52.26 | Semlar | if i did any damage to him he could get away long enough to evocate |
| 05:53.04 | Neffi | Once upon a time warriors' nicknames were "mage food" |
| 05:53.19 | Neffi | Nowadays I hear that ain't so |
| 05:53.27 | Semlar | well, i don't remember what the deal was but i had killed his partner and it was just me and a healer trying to kill this mage |
| 05:53.39 | Semlar | it was so sad |
| 05:53.55 | Neffi | what kinda healer? |
| 05:53.59 | Semlar | it was a druid |
| 05:54.11 | Semlar | there was no way either one of us were going to kill the other one |
| 05:54.21 | Neffi | and between the two of you, his kiting was un-negatable? |
| 05:54.48 | Neffi | God I can't wait to get an eGPU |
| 05:54.50 | Semlar | couldn't stop him long enough for me to do enough damage to kill him |
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| 05:55.12 | Neffi | Before MOP, I could run WoW on ultra. Now for some reason, the same areas sometimes chop out on mid |
| 05:55.26 | Semlar | i mean my damage output wasn't that great |
| 05:55.45 | Semlar | and i was in a really bad spec to fight a frost mage |
| 05:57.11 | karl_w_w | nowadays every1 has insane gap closers or similar |
| 05:57.26 | karl_w_w | and being a mage sucks |
| 05:57.58 | Semlar | hm, i could barely kill a good frost mage on my feral when i could shift out of roots |
| 05:58.50 | Thunder_Child | Neffi: they do graphic upgrades every xpac as far as i know |
| 05:59.03 | Semlar | i couldn't imagine trying to chase one down while being constantly frozen |
| 05:59.18 | Neffi | All the more reason to get an eGPU |
| 05:59.37 | Thunder_Child | Or get a computer with an internal card? |
| 06:00.01 | Neffi | I can't afford to build a computer right now |
| 06:00.51 | Neffi | I've got a perfectly sufficient Sandy Bridge laptop with an ExpressCard slot. Getting an ExpressCard->PCI-E converter and a decent video card is doable though. |
| 06:01.26 | Thunder_Child | Sure, that sounds much more reasonable than saving up for a desktop |
| 06:02.03 | Fisker | hey Thunder_Child |
| 06:03.21 | Neffi | IMO it's the way to go. Laptop CPUs are getting fast enough for gaming and every day use. |
| 06:04.01 | Neffi | ExpressCard is nothing but a PCI-E link in a different form factor. Newer chipsets can give it 4 PCI-E lanes, getting within 2% performance of the same GPU in a desktop. |
| 06:27.34 | karl_w_w | but you'll still be gaming on a laptop... |
| 06:34.26 | Neffi | karl_w_w: I use an external monitor/keyboard/mouse |
| 06:34.33 | Neffi | SB mobile CPUs are surprisingly fast |
| 06:34.43 | Neffi | Less cache but it's still the same CPU core |
| 06:35.10 | Thunder_Child | Hey Fisker |
| 06:36.37 | Thunder_Child | Neffi: But any equivalent specced laptop is going to so heavy as to make it not reasonably portable |
| 06:36.44 | Neffi | x220 |
| 06:37.17 | Thunder_Child | Worst. rebuttal. ever. |
| 06:37.25 | Neffi | It's not heavy at all |
| 06:37.46 | Neffi | It's small and light. Just big enough for a full-sized keyboard. It's got an i5 CPU and 2 RAM slots. |
| 06:38.08 | Thunder_Child | but that's not equivalent, which is my point |
| 06:38.30 | Thunder_Child | sorry, i should have been more specific, of system that i would buy |
| 06:39.18 | Neffi | Ah, makes sense. IMO, an i5 SB is fast enough. You could always go for the wuad-core i7. |
| 06:40.15 | Thunder_Child | Actually, I am going to get the hexa-core for my next machine |
| 06:40.51 | Thunder_Child | Right this moment i am idleing at 80% mem use out of 8GB of ram, so I would like 16GB min |
| 06:41.53 | Neffi | What are you running that's using 6.4 GB of RAM? |
| 06:42.06 | Thunder_Child | My system also displaces a massive amount of heat, which means that metal fatigue is going to be far less on my desktop than a laptop. |
| 06:42.14 | Neffi | Also you can fit 16 GB into 2 laptop RAM slots |
| 06:42.16 | Thunder_Child | Chrome it would seem |
| 06:42.21 | Thunder_Child | Right, but that's max |
| 06:42.27 | Thunder_Child | like, the very egdge |
| 06:42.31 | Thunder_Child | edge* |
| 06:43.17 | Neffi | How many tabs open? 400? |
| 06:43.22 | Thunder_Child | 10 |
| 06:43.37 | Neffi | I can open a lot of tabs, along with WoW, on my 8 GB and never approach the 50% mark |
| 06:43.48 | Neffi | I'd venture to say one of your addons is leaking HORRIBLY |
| 06:44.25 | Neffi | Hell Photoshop, Office and compiling shit in VS on top of Chrome and WoW still leaves me with ample breathing room at 8 GB |
| 06:45.08 | Neffi | Wait, are you on a non-Windows OS? |
| 06:45.18 | Thunder_Child | nope win7 |
| 06:45.40 | Thunder_Child | make that 25 tabs |
| 06:45.47 | Thunder_Child | I had a hiding window |
| 06:45.59 | Semlar | i leave hundreds of tabs open on a regular basis |
| 06:46.01 | Thunder_Child | so closing all of that puts me at 51% use |
| 06:46.51 | Thunder_Child | steam is using 161K, svchost 212K, dwm 127K, etc. |
| 06:47.09 | Thunder_Child | other svchost 90K |
| 06:47.21 | Thunder_Child | explorer @ 75K |
| 06:47.28 | Thunder_Child | quassek at 75K |
| 06:47.33 | Thunder_Child | quassel* |
| 06:47.45 | Thunder_Child | I have 119 running processes |
| 06:47.48 | Neffi | I had 10 tabs open, most being dynamic content, and about:memory reports under 400 MB |
| 06:48.01 | Neffi | That's also with AdBlock set up for 8 different subscriptions |
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| 06:49.07 | Neffi | Oh, and Chrome set to use a separate renderer process, which I believe is done per-tab |
| 06:50.23 | Thunder_Child | with no tabs open i have 400K used |
| 06:50.31 | Neffi | You mean 400M? |
| 06:50.43 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 06:50.46 | Neffi | I would go through about:memory and look into your addons' usage |
| 06:50.48 | Neffi | that's very bad |
| 06:50.58 | Thunder_Child | I am, adblock is by far the worst |
| 06:51.06 | Thunder_Child | at 58K |
| 06:51.11 | Thunder_Child | 58mb* |
| 06:51.11 | Neffi | AdBlock alone is pretty hungry when you use multiple subscriptions, and I'm hitting that with 10 tabs. |
| 06:51.34 | Neffi | You most probably have some addon hemorrhaging memory |
| 06:52.18 | Thunder_Child | like i said, adblock is the largest user |
| 06:52.26 | Neffi | Just the new tab page (w/ Humble New Tab) is at 250 MB |
| 06:52.33 | Neffi | AdBlock Plus? |
| 06:52.45 | Thunder_Child | no, adblock |
| 06:52.52 | Stanzilla | that is bad |
| 06:52.54 | Stanzilla | go change |
| 06:52.57 | Neffi | Consider switching. |
| 06:52.59 | Thunder_Child | I don't think there was a plus when i did it |
| 06:53.22 | Stanzilla | 3 years ago or so? :D |
| 06:53.30 | Neffi | ABP works perfectly for me, has good custom blocking w/ right-click and all the nice frills, and it never approaches that kind of memory usage |
| 06:53.35 | Thunder_Child | Yea |
| 06:53.49 | Neffi | Yeah, ABP was in beta when I got it about a year ago. It's stable now. |
| 06:53.51 | Neffi | Probably new |
| 06:53.55 | Neffi | But it's the official port |
| 06:54.20 | Fisker | people who use adblock is worse than hitler anyway |
| 06:54.31 | Neffi | I whitelist some sites |
| 06:54.34 | Thunder_Child | abp is using about the same @ 57mb with only the mem tab open |
| 06:54.44 | Neffi | Could be another addon |
| 06:55.02 | Thunder_Child | gpu is at 60mb |
| 06:55.09 | Neffi | Anyway Fisker, don't ads generally only generate revenue when clicked? |
| 06:55.24 | Thunder_Child | no, free rice get paid for displayed ads |
| 06:55.28 | Thunder_Child | gets* |
| 06:55.43 | Neffi | GPU for me is the same. My ABP is at 75 MB because of the extra subscriptions. But on the new tab page, I'm still sitting at a healthy 250 MB. |
| 06:55.46 | Thunder_Child | Though i suspect they have a deal |
| 06:55.51 | Neffi | The core and the webkit backend don't take up much at all. |
| 06:55.59 | Thunder_Child | anyway, food time afk |
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| 06:56.42 | Neffi | If I like a site and they don't go overboard with obtrusive ads that block content, distract you with noise, etc, I whitelist. But not all sites deserve that treatment. |
| 06:57.10 | Neffi | Nobody likes going to a site and hearing shrill noises pre-amped to be loud as fuck. |
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| 07:14.15 | Neffi | motherfucker |
| 07:14.36 | Neffi | Apparently two rapid calls to SetCVar can sometimes fail. |
| 07:14.57 | neutronimity | Hi |
| 07:15.03 | neutronimity | I am back with my problem. |
| 07:15.07 | Neffi | Auto-unshift off -> NS -> Cyclone -> auto-unshift on leaves my auto-unshit set to OFF sometimes |
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| 07:15.17 | Neffi | What's your problem? |
| 07:15.32 | neutronimity | Macros getting stuck and not reacting. :X |
| 07:15.40 | Neffi | Pastebin the macro |
| 07:15.43 | Neffi | (s_ |
| 07:15.51 | neutronimity | I'll make a paste of my macro, including of what was recommended and what I've tried |
| 07:16.02 | Neffi | Pastebin just your macro |
| 07:16.08 | Semlar | you ever think maybe it's not the macro and that it's one of your addons |
| 07:16.11 | Neffi | Along with an exact explanation of what you expect it to do |
| 07:16.16 | Neffi | I don't need what other people recommended |
| 07:16.27 | Neffi | Semlar: me? |
| 07:16.45 | Semlar | not you.. |
| 07:16.57 | Neffi | Actually neutronimity, just tell me what you want the macro to do |
| 07:17.02 | Neffi | I'll write it if it's possible |
| 07:17.17 | Semlar | i've seen his macro there's nothing in it that should break |
| 07:17.41 | Semlar | it's just target mouseover, startattack, cast some spell |
| 07:18.29 | Neffi | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:18.30 | Neffi | ? |
| 07:18.44 | Neffi | Almost all melee "spells" start your attack when they land |
| 07:18.44 | Semlar | no it's /target [somestuff] |
| 07:18.58 | neutronimity | http://pastebin.com/zSs1LwDF |
| 07:19.27 | Semlar | he doesn't want it to cast the spell at his mouseover he wants to actually switch his target |
| 07:19.36 | Semlar | at least that's what i got out of it |
| 07:20.15 | neutronimity | What I want all my macros to do is, is to switch to my mouseover, if I have one, and start autoattacking it, and use my ability on it. |
| 07:20.27 | Neffi | What exactly is failing? |
| 07:21.15 | neutronimity | After a perceptibly short screen freeze, which sometimes happens, sometimes not, the macro seems to lock up and become unresponsive. The action bar button with the macro indicates being pressed, only the macro does not seem to fire any more. |
| 07:21.46 | Neffi | Disable all addons and test it |
| 07:21.52 | neutronimity | It may have to do with spamming the macro, but that is how I play. Erm. |
| 07:21.54 | Semlar | do you have errors enabled |
| 07:21.56 | Neffi | If it still happens, file a bug report |
| 07:22.02 | Semlar | because that sounds like an error |
| 07:22.06 | Neffi | No, spamming won't change a thing |
| 07:22.24 | Neffi | Do what Semlar said. It sounds like some piece of code somewhere is going awry. |
| 07:22.48 | Semlar | is it just your macros that are affected or are all your buttons macros anyway so you have no idea |
| 07:23.08 | Semlar | because something could just be tainting the action bar |
| 07:23.28 | neutronimity | I will enable LUA Errors. |
| 07:24.10 | neutronimity | As for action bar tainting, if I drag the macro to a different place of the action bar (or drag new copy of it from macro window), the macro also does not function |
| 07:24.31 | Semlar | is it just your macros or do none of your actions work |
| 07:24.44 | neutronimity | My action bars are made up of different macros which have all the same structure - sometimes 1 macro breaks, but all others will work fine. |
| 07:24.52 | Neffi | neutronimity: What you just said definitely sounds like tainting or errors |
| 07:25.05 | neutronimity | I have never had two macros locking up at the same time so far |
| 07:25.10 | Semlar | okay |
| 07:25.11 | Neffi | Your macro is fine. The problem lies elsewhere. Find the error. |
| 07:25.22 | neutronimity | Hmm ok. |
| 07:25.45 | neutronimity | What if I tell you that the problem started occurring after I deleted my WTF folder and cleared out the Addons folder? |
| 07:26.06 | Semlar | doesn't mean anything unless you didn't enable any addons after that |
| 07:26.40 | Neffi | That's even more indicative of an addon problem |
| 07:26.52 | Neffi | One of the addons you installed after that starting erroring |
| 07:27.00 | Neffi | Or an existing addon you didnt delete |
| 07:27.20 | Semlar | do you have a list of what you're running |
| 07:27.34 | Neffi | Above all else, make sure all addons are up to date |
| 07:28.16 | Semlar | especially anything that might be related to the action buttons |
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| 07:29.44 | neutronimity | http://pastebin.com/WMHZptgg I will try without addons enabled, but it's very, very random to reproduce. |
| 07:30.03 | Semlar | clique |
| 07:30.30 | Semlar | would be my first guess |
| 07:32.38 | Semlar | you only appear to be running two of these anyway |
| 07:33.00 | neutronimity | Renaming interface to ~.bak and wtf to ~.bak and I'll stand in front of a dummy, and spam all macros. |
| 07:34.50 | Neffi | Were you getting any errors? |
| 07:35.07 | Neffi | An error will usually give you a good idea of what's causing it |
| 07:35.45 | Semlar | he said he didn't have them enabled |
| 07:36.09 | Neffi | and christ, what possible logic could coerce the developers into making Mark of the Wild cost so much mana? |
| 07:36.13 | neutronimity | I will have now. |
| 07:37.23 | neutronimity | By the way, if of any relevance, I enabled LUA Errors when I noticed a macro was already broken. It did not bring any errors when I tried triggering the macro. |
| 07:37.43 | neutronimity | That might not mean anything - I'll have to look for an error that occurs on break? |
| 07:37.47 | Neffi | Did it bring an error upon the macro itself breaking? |
| 07:37.52 | Neffi | That would mean a lot more |
| 07:38.04 | Semlar | it wouldn't necessarily throw an error after the fact |
| 07:38.33 | Neffi | At that point it's probably in a *tainted* state, so it would issue a taint warning and not an error |
| 07:39.00 | neutronimity | Well, uhm, where would I see these taint warnings? |
| 07:39.16 | Neffi | It may print something to the chat frame, it may not |
| 07:39.24 | neutronimity | Ah, no, never happened. |
| 07:39.36 | Neffi | I forget what the message looks like, but it's a yellow. Usually along the lines of an addon attempting something |
| 07:39.52 | Semlar | like an addon has been blocked from performing a protected task |
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| 07:40.02 | Neffi | In any case the delay you mentioned is indicative of an error |
| 07:40.08 | Semlar | but that doesn't necessarily occur |
| 07:40.10 | Neffi | Especially if it's an overflow |
| 07:40.37 | Neffi | Yeah I don't believe it always issues the warning. And I'm not even sure if they fixed the taintlog yet . |
| 07:41.00 | Semlar | i would probably enable your addons and see if you can get it to break while errors are enabled |
| 07:41.17 | neutronimity | Will try after. |
| 07:41.31 | Semlar | unless you have some idea as to how long it takes for it to break |
| 07:42.30 | neutronimity | No, for me it comes out of nowhere. |
| 07:43.11 | neutronimity | It broke once while fighting on the farm in Halfhill, it broke loads, loads of times in LFR, often also in 10 man raid, and often also in heroics. |
| 07:43.38 | Semlar | do you know what version your clique is |
| 07:43.38 | neutronimity | But always seems while fighting, but I don't press macros outside of fighting |
| 07:43.55 | Semlar | it probably wouldn't break outside of combat |
| 07:43.57 | neutronimity | ## Version: v50100-1.0.0 |
| 07:44.13 | Semlar | well that is the newest |
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| 07:44.26 | Neffi | AFAIK all Clique does to the MainMenuBar is some :SetAttribute calls. |
| 07:44.43 | Semlar | i wonder if the runtime watchdog thing could be interfering |
| 07:44.50 | Neffi | An error like this suggests there's actually some Lua code running and subsequently breaking |
| 07:44.59 | Neffi | That is very possible |
| 07:45.32 | Neffi | It was problematic until 5.1, causing loops to hang instead of stopping them (even outside of combat). I'm guessing the implementation is pretty complicated. |
| 07:45.42 | Semlar | engraved doesn't look like it's been updated but it also doesn't look like it does much that would interfere here |
| 07:45.52 | neutronimity | Is that similar to Vlad's mention of Waterfall effect? And Blizzard's watching for it? |
| 07:46.01 | Neffi | Waterfall effect? |
| 07:46.22 | Neffi | WatchDog is a system that prevents any addon code from taking too long to execute while in combat. |
| 07:46.45 | neutronimity | Well, uhm. I think that was when I had multiple /use arguments, but they all had separate modifiers so spells don't try to fire off at same time |
| 07:46.57 | Neffi | Knowing the little I know about the Lua VM, its implementation cannot be anywhere close to simple. |
| 07:47.38 | Neffi | You mean using /script statements to hang the client for a short while so the next /cast happens after the GCD? |
| 07:48.05 | neutronimity | I haven't done that. He might meant it though |
| 07:48.12 | neutronimity | Oh |
| 07:48.19 | Neffi | They made that virutally impossible, and it has nothing to do with your specific problem. They just prevented scripts from being able to reliably tell the time. |
| 07:48.41 | Neffi | Now GetTime() is only updated every time the screen is redrawn |
| 07:49.13 | neutronimity | I used to have /tar mouseover /startattack and similar targeting arguments moved into a separate macro, and chained the macros to it with /click where the targeting macro was placed |
| 07:49.26 | Neffi | That's valid and legal |
| 07:49.34 | Neffi | It won't break anything |
| 07:49.54 | neutronimity | Yeah. Still kept happenning |
| 07:50.10 | Neffi | Do what Semlar suggested. Enable addons, enable errors, and then go and try to break it. |
| 07:50.22 | neutronimity | All right |
| 07:50.32 | Neffi | If you get an error, copy and paste the entire error for us |
| 07:50.41 | Semlar | engraved could very well somehow be breaking it because it hasn't been updated since 2010 |
| 07:51.08 | Semlar | does this just show your runes? |
| 07:51.18 | Neffi | I'd be surprised |
| 07:51.32 | neutronimity | It has a whole flashy stuff with rune displays |
| 07:51.35 | Semlar | it doesn't seem like it's doing anything that should be an issue |
| 07:51.45 | Neffi | But chances are, the error will point out which addon is to blame |
| 07:52.17 | Neffi | afk. good luck finding the culprit. |
| 07:52.19 | Semlar | the flashy stuff could possibly be executing too long but i don't know why that would break your action buttons since they should be unrelated |
| 07:52.23 | neutronimity | Mhm. thanks. |
| 07:52.48 | neutronimity | Btw - the Engraved addon is sometimes enabled, sometimes disabled, and my warrior isn't a DK anyway. |
| 07:53.09 | neutronimity | Oh, and my DK hasn't had the problem occur for himself yet .. although he isn't max level also. |
| 07:53.45 | neutronimity | So far it has happened on a paladin I bring to LFR, heroics and raids, a warrior I bring to LFR and heroics, and on sunsong ranch, and a low level warlock questing. |
| 07:54.09 | neutronimity | Ok gonna bash some dummies. :P |
| 07:54.14 | Semlar | and the only two addons that are enabled are clique and engraved? |
| 07:55.15 | neutronimity | Yes. Sometimes Engraved is not even enabled. |
| 07:55.46 | neutronimity | I have nothing bound in Clique on my warrior |
| 07:55.57 | Semlar | i would still bet that it's clique |
| 07:56.24 | Mr_Rabies | dangit tsulong |
| 07:56.28 | Mr_Rabies | drop my weapon :( |
| 07:56.47 | neutronimity | Hell yes, it sucks anyway with its display of clique-macros and key bindings |
| 07:56.49 | neutronimity | :P |
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| 07:57.38 | Semlar | well hopefully you can get it to break and that it actually does throw an error |
| 07:59.17 | neutronimity | Mhm. I may have to enter lfr and so to have higher chance to break. Hasn't broken yet so far. |
| 07:59.21 | neutronimity | And I'll google bit about it |
| 08:05.46 | neutronimity | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/7350355323 |
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| 08:20.24 | Kalroth | hey Fisker whens nvidia titan out |
| 08:26.05 | Mr_Rabies | argh |
| 08:26.12 | Mr_Rabies | i just don't get why people queue up for scenarios as a tank |
| 08:26.16 | Mr_Rabies | or healer |
| 08:27.20 | zenzio | how come? |
| 08:27.54 | nevcairiel | because they like playing tank or healer? |
| 08:29.25 | Mr_Rabies | it slows down everyone else so much |
| 08:29.33 | Mr_Rabies | they're unneeded |
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| 08:36.36 | Mr_Rabies | they really should require you to be in a dps spec to queue up for them :X |
| 08:38.18 | Semlar | i think they should require that you be a healer |
| 08:40.38 | zenzio | by that logic, they should disallow elderly and children from public transport as they slow down everyone else too |
| 08:40.39 | Mr_Rabies | i'm all for requiring people to take a behind-the-wheel and written drivers' test every year after they hit 50 or so |
| 08:40.58 | Humbedooh | zenzio: correct! |
| 08:41.18 | Humbedooh | we don't want no stinking toddlers or smelderly in our busses |
| 08:41.31 | Humbedooh | taking up perfectly good seats :C |
| 08:41.57 | Humbedooh | and paying half price! |
| 08:42.01 | Kalroth | there's a luggage compartment in a bus for a reason |
| 08:42.08 | Mr_Rabies | i feel the same way on the road, though |
| 08:42.21 | Mr_Rabies | people who slow me down with no good reason piss me off to no end |
| 08:42.26 | Mr_Rabies | and in stores, etc |
| 08:42.35 | Kalroth | you're allowed to give them subtle hints, Mr_Rabies |
| 08:42.39 | Humbedooh | especially in stores >_> |
| 08:42.46 | Mr_Rabies | i do kalroth |
| 08:42.46 | Kalroth | like honking, flashing light, nudging them off the road |
| 08:42.51 | Mr_Rabies | in the form of honking |
| 08:43.22 | Mr_Rabies | if someone's driving slowly in the passing lane i will honk until they move over |
| 08:44.05 | Mr_Rabies | it's for passing, not traveling in, ya jerk |
| 08:44.23 | Semlar | something tells me you spend a lot of your time in it though |
| 08:45.07 | Mr_Rabies | only when i'm passing people |
| 08:45.19 | Mr_Rabies | otherwise i'm in the right lane, as i should be |
| 08:47.15 | Mr_Rabies | i just really don't like having to solo scenarios because some people are afraid of killing things :( |
| 08:47.37 | Mr_Rabies | getting thrown into a scenario with a healer and a tank is the worst thing in the world |
| 08:48.00 | Mr_Rabies | i don't get why they even bother, they should just run 5 mans :| |
| 08:50.53 | Mr_Rabies | i'd sooner run a scenario truly solo than have people who can justifiably pretty much afk since they're not needed :X |
| 08:51.41 | nevcairiel | you know what i hate, people that whine about their problems all day instead of just sucking it up and doing stuff :p |
| 08:53.26 | Mr_Rabies | whining is healthy |
| 08:53.40 | Mr_Rabies | letting stuff like that just fester is how serial killers happen |
| 08:53.58 | stuf | depends on the complaining, as well |
| 08:54.59 | Mr_Rabies | opposing viewpoints on the matter are good, as well, it might make people see things in a different way |
| 08:55.08 | Mr_Rabies | it tends to not work well on me, as i'm infallible |
| 08:56.46 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/0SM8poG.gif |
| 08:57.33 | Mr_Rabies | http://i.imgur.com/0DKjZ.gif |
| 08:58.04 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/kWLpv8n.gif |
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| 09:00.39 | zenzio | "Google does NOT behave itself." -- "It's also a bit dumb. It's been playing my webserver at a variant of reversi for the last 12 months (one of the links at the end of each game is to start a new game, which it duly follows...)" |
| 09:01.28 | Mr_Rabies | i think it sets a bad precedent to just ignore bad design, semlar :p |
| 09:01.31 | Semlar | it shouldn't keep following links like that |
| 09:03.33 | Mr_Rabies | i think it's important to discuss issues with the game and its community, apathy doesn't help anyone |
| 09:03.43 | Semlar | accept the things you cannot change |
| 09:04.00 | Mr_Rabies | ah, but i believe i can |
| 09:04.09 | Semlar | but not by complaining to us |
| 09:04.27 | Mr_Rabies | resigning yourself to not being able to is giving up |
| 09:04.46 | nevcairiel | whining does usually not change the world :p |
| 09:04.57 | zenzio | argh, FFS... I hate sites that love to use the damn "oh, you reached the bottom of the page? Let's load more!" crap |
| 09:05.14 | Semlar | more importantly, netflix appears to only have season one of this korean show and i can't pirate it anywhere this is terrible |
| 09:05.27 | Mr_Rabies | sure it is, discussion can lead to groups in agreement, which can start a chain reaction which will bring forth change |
| 09:05.42 | nevcairiel | big whining sessions just make people dislike you |
| 09:05.54 | Mr_Rabies | people are welcome to dislike me all they want |
| 09:06.04 | nevcairiel | there is a difference between trying to start a discussion and going on and on about how terrible it is |
| 09:06.15 | Mr_Rabies | i'm okay with that |
| 09:06.28 | nevcairiel | you're doing the second =p |
| 09:07.34 | Mr_Rabies | this whole conversation has hardly been an entire screen of text for me, including people complaining about me complaining, i wouldn't really consider that going on and on |
| 09:07.52 | nevcairiel | you probably would've continued |
| 09:08.14 | Mr_Rabies | perhaps |
| 09:08.22 | Mr_Rabies | i still think that's better than a dead channel |
| 09:08.28 | Semlar | okay but seriously it's like law and order except the lawyer is a vampire |
| 09:08.49 | Semlar | and he goes around investigating cases by tasting crime scenes |
| 09:08.49 | nevcairiel | every other tv show has vampires in it these days, its fucking enough |
| 09:09.15 | Semlar | it's called VAMPIRE PROSECUTOR |
| 09:09.18 | Mr_Rabies | vampires are overdone, let me know when they remake law and order with birds |
| 09:09.27 | Mr_Rabies | sort of like hatoful boyfriend |
| 09:09.37 | Mr_Rabies | except instead of a bird dating simulator, it's a bird court drama |
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| 09:12.00 | Mr_Rabies | http://i.imgur.com/dzLRhHM.jpg |
| 09:12.35 | Mr_Rabies | also when did netflix get k-dramas or anything without english audio, Semlar |
| 09:12.54 | Semlar | oh man netflix is full of foreign films without english dubs |
| 09:13.44 | Semlar | you watch one kung fu detective film and it won't stop recommending them |
| 09:13.58 | Mr_Rabies | i dropped my account when they killed like half their library and jacked up their prices |
| 09:14.34 | Mr_Rabies | admittedly both of those aren't 100% their fault, but unfortunately their company's future is tied in with the future of an ancient beast that refuses to die |
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| 09:39.30 | zenzio | "AVP isn't canon. Aliens 3 isn't canon. In fact, no movies were made after Aliens." |
| 09:42.04 | Kalroth | i'll show you my canon |
| 09:42.33 | Stanzilla | Deadline has broken the news that Fox International Productions are moving ahead with a reboot of Hitman. The video game franchise has been a hit for developers Square Enix and while the 2007 movie failed to impress critics, it did make over $100 million at the worldwide box office. Paul Walker, star of The Fast And Furious franchise, has signed up to play 'Agent 47' and shooting is expected to ta |
| 09:42.36 | Stanzilla | whaaat |
| 09:42.41 | Stanzilla | walker? whyy :( |
| 09:43.18 | zenzio | wait, what? A reboot how? Wasn't there only one moveie? |
| 09:43.20 | zenzio | ... movie |
| 09:43.58 | zenzio | and not a great one at that, though I suppose it's difficult to adapt the game to everyone's taste |
| 09:46.41 | Stanzilla | yeah but walker is not really the guy you think about when you think of hitman |
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| 09:48.37 | zenzio | hm |
| 09:48.55 | zenzio | they'd better not try to pull any "he has hair now" stunt |
| 09:56.07 | zenzio | "According to Memory Alpha, Latinum cannot be replicated. What is the reason for that?" -- " |
| 09:56.07 | zenzio | Because Latinum is made of plot device." |
| 09:56.16 | zenzio | grah... invisible newline |
| 09:56.30 | zenzio | anyhow, I love such simple answers |
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| 10:11.44 | bleeter | kd3: why didn't you tell me!11!11!!11 ;) :P http://spot.fedorapeople.org/steam/ |
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| 10:28.49 | Humbedooh | tharper: has anyone told you you look quite silly wearing that gnome hat? |
| 10:28.52 | Humbedooh | 'cause you do |
| 10:32.29 | tharper | Humbedooh: actually, everyone says I look adorable |
| 10:32.41 | Humbedooh | adorable can be silly too |
| 10:32.52 | haste | my hat is still better |
| 10:33.01 | Humbedooh | o'rly? |
| 10:33.01 | haste | even if it wasn't mine |
| 10:33.05 | Humbedooh | my hat trumps yours |
| 10:33.08 | Humbedooh | mine has antler |
| 10:33.09 | Humbedooh | s |
| 10:33.28 | haste | mine has frills! |
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| 10:33.29 | Humbedooh | http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2011/237/3/7/tony_tony_chopper_hat_by_hushstep-d47ulgf.jpg ! |
| 10:33.40 | haste | so one piece |
| 10:33.53 | Humbedooh | one piece > all else |
| 10:34.23 | Humbedooh | except for that long boring arc about ace and his friends :( |
| 10:35.21 | tharper | either way, Humbedooh, I have received nothing but compliments, and regret that I put the hat back on the rack after taht photo |
| 10:35.25 | tharper | instead of buying it |
| 10:35.42 | Humbedooh | you can buy one next christmas :| |
| 10:36.14 | Humbedooh | tharper: I do however also do something silly...I have tiny gnome hats for some of my plushy animals :\ |
| 10:36.28 | tharper | hahah |
| 10:37.25 | Humbedooh | but ye, they look adorable |
| 10:38.38 | Humbedooh | tharper: you should yell some at jnwhiteh! where's our lua_bot! >:C |
| 10:38.45 | tharper | haha |
| 10:38.47 | haste | Humbedooh: https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/542178_109958105847137_789079792_n.jpg almost one piece! |
| 10:39.05 | tharper | haste: you look younger than I thought you would |
| 10:39.10 | Humbedooh | someone's using a bit much wax in their hair |
| 10:39.33 | haste | no, that would be sweat/water |
| 10:39.37 | tharper | ...you should not look at photos of me then, humbedooh |
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| 10:40.04 | Humbedooh | tharper: pft, I used wax when I was younger too, but today it wouldn't make much sense, what with the long hair and beard |
| 10:40.24 | Humbedooh | looked hot back in the days ;\ maybe it's time for a hair cut and a shave soon |
| 10:40.41 | haste | but now! lunch! |
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| 10:42.16 | Humbedooh | yay, I'm now an optician, according to the woman who just called me |
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| 10:45.13 | tharper | well done |
| 10:47.33 | tharper | Humbedooh: https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/735096_10100872239581736_1374381629_n.jpg |
| 10:47.35 | tharper | ALL the product |
| 10:48.44 | karl_w_w | I once had a woman call me and ask me if I "do those little dessert things" |
| 10:48.44 | Kalroth | Humbedooh: haha |
| 10:49.38 | Kalroth | I once had a woman call me and demand that I forward her to Sorø Kommune and that the fact that she had to wait in a queue was appalling |
| 10:50.04 | Humbedooh | tharper: http://www.humbedooh.com/images/passport1.png <- before I accidentally grew a jesus face and had to change my passport :p |
| 10:50.11 | Humbedooh | now I look like...jesus ;\ |
| 10:50.29 | Maldivia | all the product? |
| 10:50.30 | Kalroth | (we're an IT company in the real part of Denmark) |
| 10:50.37 | karl_w_w | Jesus! |
| 10:50.38 | tharper | oh man |
| 10:50.44 | tharper | you are KYOOT |
| 10:50.53 | tharper | Can I marry you for a visa? |
| 10:50.57 | Humbedooh | haha |
| 10:51.17 | Kalroth | no more immigrants!! |
| 10:51.22 | tharper | ha |
| 10:51.33 | tharper | I'll get Swedish citizneship and move immediately to Denmark |
| 10:51.38 | Kalroth | aaaa |
| 10:51.42 | tharper | where I will speak Swedish and expect you to understand me |
| 10:51.49 | Kalroth | swedes are even worse than immigrants |
| 10:51.54 | tharper | I KNOW |
| 10:51.58 | tharper | imagine being BOTH |
| 10:52.04 | Kalroth | :mind blown: |
| 10:52.05 | Maldivia | ... not the worst deal I've heard |
| 10:52.15 | tharper | Maldivia: it is for some, I think =p |
| 10:52.50 | Kalroth | i wouldn't mind having trade relations with the swedes, but they got nothing to offer |
| 10:52.55 | Humbedooh | tharper: we understand swedish perfectly! |
| 10:53.00 | Maldivia | tharper: well, with you, the "speak Swedish" would only be for a short period of time, you wouldn't be able to resist the challenge of learning to speak Danish, if in Denmark |
| 10:53.06 | Kalroth | they just come here to take our beer, women, jobs and beer |
| 10:53.09 | Humbedooh | except maybe the really bad dialects from Dalarna |
| 10:53.10 | Kalroth | did i mention beer? |
| 10:53.17 | tharper | Maldivia: hahah I resisted the entire three months I lived in NL ;) |
| 10:53.26 | tharper | Humbedooh: Älvdalska is not Swedish ;) |
| 10:53.48 | Kalroth | dutch is exactly like swedish, both sound like they're sucking on 2-3 large potatos |
| 10:54.05 | tharper | lol omg, they are nothing alike |
| 10:54.12 | tharper | Dutch is hands down the ugliest language I have ever herad |
| 10:54.12 | Maldivia | tharper: well, that's Dutch... that's sounds like you're choking yourself while speaking a mixture of German, English and Danish |
| 10:54.14 | bleeter | no, they are alike |
| 10:54.26 | bleeter | because the swedish chef actually sounds dutch |
| 10:54.29 | tharper | lol |
| 10:54.31 | bleeter | when you've heard both languages |
| 10:54.36 | tharper | The Swedish chef sounds like nothing, imo |
| 10:54.45 | bleeter | BORK BORK BORK |
| 10:54.45 | Humbedooh | swedish chef = awesome tho'! |
| 10:55.03 | tharper | I just love that that is the image that all Americans have of how Swedes sound, now |
| 10:55.08 | Kalroth | hahah |
| 10:55.18 | tharper | and always imitate Swedish by saying "hurdy gurdy" |
| 10:55.25 | Kalroth | its totally true though, they all talk like that |
| 10:55.41 | bleeter | the dutch chef thing was pointed out to me by my colleagues when I was working in Amsterdam |
| 10:55.44 | bleeter | go figure |
| 10:55.53 | tharper | haha I can't hear it |
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| 10:56.22 | tharper | all I hear when I hear Dutch is English prosody and vowels with their fucking 'g' everywhere |
| 10:56.34 | bleeter | rofl |
| 10:56.36 | Humbedooh | like my name :\ |
| 10:56.43 | Humbedooh | it sounds horrible in Dutch |
| 10:56.57 | Kalroth | Humbedooh sounds horrible in English too! |
| 10:57.03 | Humbedooh | pfft you! |
| 10:57.06 | Kalroth | :P |
| 10:57.09 | tharper | also I love it when they conjugate loandword verbs |
| 10:57.15 | tharper | "gedownload" |
| 10:57.18 | tharper | "gemarineerd" |
| 10:57.22 | Humbedooh | heehee |
| 10:57.33 | Kalroth | gemouse geand gekeyboard |
| 10:58.00 | bluipodcow | Yes for his love you will understand! |
| 10:58.01 | bleeter | my favourite duthc phrase remains the one in the shops, near the checkouts. |
| 10:58.23 | bleeter | "u kunt here"* |
| 10:58.34 | bleeter | *I may have the spelling on the last word incorrect, it's been a while |
| 10:58.39 | Kalroth | http://blogs.transparent.com/swedish/swedish-stereotypes/ "Being in Denmark has given me an opportunity to hear some of the negative stereotypes while abroad. Granted, Denmark and Sweden have that brotherly relationship. " |
| 10:58.41 | Kalroth | haha |
| 10:59.39 | tharper | lol |
| 10:59.49 | bleeter | fairly amusing: watching the face of a native dutch speaker when you point this out to them >< |
| 11:00.11 | tharper | lol |
| 11:00.32 | tharper | like when I pointed out to my Southern Welsh friend that in her dialect, she called her language "cum-rag" |
| 11:00.46 | tharper | "Cymraeg" |
| 11:00.48 | bleeter | the alternate path to 'u kunt here' amusement is to ask 'what's this kunt thing I see everywhere' |
| 11:00.52 | Maldivia | I love love the Welsh accent! |
| 11:00.56 | Humbedooh | tharper: you have a dirty mind! |
| 11:01.03 | tharper | it is not my fault |
| 11:01.19 | tharper | she says "ae" differently from how one is taught to say it |
| 11:01.38 | VIad | http://imgur.com/gallery/qEYtHo0 |
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| 11:07.27 | Cairenn | So just how many different languages do you have at this point tharper? |
| 11:07.58 | Humbedooh | isn't it easier to count the languages he doesn't speak? :3 |
| 11:08.07 | Cairenn | getting there, yeah :) |
| 11:08.08 | Humbedooh | Danish, Dutch...thats it |
| 11:08.13 | Maldivia | isn't it only English, Swedish and Icelandish so far? |
| 11:08.42 | Humbedooh | Maldivia: also gay speak! |
| 11:08.43 | Cairenn | No, I know he's got a number of the different celtic & gaelic dialects as well |
| 11:08.51 | Humbedooh | highly evolved language |
| 11:09.00 | Maldivia | Humbedooh: pssh... we all speak that |
| 11:09.06 | Cairenn | as well as welsh, as just mentioned |
| 11:09.07 | Humbedooh | except Fisker |
| 11:09.32 | Maldivia | welsh is... weird |
| 11:11.05 | bleeter | no, that's Fisker |
| 11:11.17 | Fisker | i speak mad dialect |
| 11:11.50 | Fisker | i spent 4 hours working overtime yesterday doing dumb type shit because someone was sick |
| 11:11.55 | Fisker | turns out it was wrong |
| 11:12.01 | Fisker | so now i just spent 4 hours putting it all back |
| 11:12.06 | Fisker | \:D/ |
| 11:12.12 | haste | lol |
| 11:12.58 | Fisker | (btw it wasn't wrong because i had made a mistake) |
| 11:13.09 | Xuerian | That day Fisker's employers learned a valuable lesson: Don't give him more more paint than there is need painted. |
| 11:13.32 | tharper | Cairenn: a few =) |
| 11:13.36 | tharper | depends on wha tyou mean by speak |
| 11:13.42 | tharper | but I studied Irish for a long time, and Welsh for a bit |
| 11:13.45 | tharper | they are very similar in grammar |
| 11:13.58 | VIad | tharper: you speak bulgarian? |
| 11:14.10 | tharper | no, no slaviclanguages |
| 11:14.24 | tharper | glances wistfully over at the czech book he has, calling to him |
| 11:14.33 | Maldivia | tharper: do Welsh have anything in common with English at all ? |
| 11:14.40 | tharper | not really |
| 11:14.43 | tharper | loanwords =D |
| 11:15.05 | Maldivia | figured |
| 11:15.16 | tharper | it's a verb-first language, which stands just about everythingon its head |
| 11:15.18 | Maldivia | because listening to Welsh makes absolutely no sense :P |
| 11:15.23 | tharper | hehe |
| 11:15.24 | tharper | yeah |
| 11:15.34 | tharper | you can hear a few loanwoards stand out, thats about it |
| 11:15.56 | Maldivia | well, in this video I it was worlds like California, BBC, etc :) |
| 11:15.57 | Cairenn | tharper: I didn't actually say 'speak' |
| 11:16.04 | tharper | ah |
| 11:16.05 | tharper | have |
| 11:16.06 | tharper | well |
| 11:16.14 | tharper | also depends on what you mean by 'have', heh |
| 11:16.31 | Cairenn | and I know, regional variations & dialects impacts it too |
| 11:16.36 | tharper | hehe also 'rili', 'ffonio' |
| 11:17.29 | VIad | tharper: slavic -> slave? |
| 11:17.38 | Cairenn | s/it/the count/ |
| 11:19.11 | Humbedooh | ~dict slavic |
| 11:20.04 | Humbedooh | VIad: it comes from a misunderstanding of the word slave afaict |
| 11:20.17 | VIad | sounds very nice doesn't it :P |
| 11:20.22 | Humbedooh | it has nothing to do with being a slave race :) |
| 11:21.16 | VIad | perhaps not, but it has a implying ring to it |
| 11:22.39 | Humbedooh | meh, it is how it is |
| 11:22.56 | Humbedooh | VIad: where does your family hail from? |
| 11:23.11 | VIad | don't know, just know my grandparents are bulgarian :P |
| 11:23.15 | Humbedooh | heh |
| 11:23.17 | VIad | before that not sure |
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| 11:37.10 | bleeter | http://kotaku.com/5982031/the-magic-of-skyrim-mods-a-naked-man-swimming-in-cabbage |
| 11:38.14 | Maldivia | hot |
| 11:38.17 | Maldivia | :P |
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| 11:44.33 | zenzio | "These screenshots recently popped up online in Japan"... who would've thought |
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| 11:57.39 | VIad | Xuerian: the bonus roll frame has a white background |
| 12:00.02 | Xuerian | vlad: so does your [parental figure] |
| 12:00.35 | VIad | flew right over my head |
| 12:02.54 | Xuerian | Anyway, why is it white now? |
| 12:03.00 | Xuerian | Or rather, when did it become white.. |
| 12:03.04 | Arrowmaster | how do normal people do this, its way too fucking early |
| 12:03.14 | Xuerian | Because it's late, UGT, not early |
| 12:03.52 | Arrowmaster | its 7am here, i got up at 6:30 and im still partially asleep |
| 12:04.32 | Maldivia | "normal" people probably go to bed at 10pm to be able to get up at 6.30am |
| 12:04.46 | Xuerian | It's 7am here, I thought about passing out at 6:30 and decided ramen was the better option |
| 12:04.53 | Arrowmaster | i went to bed 'early' at 11:30 |
| 12:05.31 | Arrowmaster | ive been going to bed early and have missed everything thats been going on here the past few days |
| 12:05.59 | VIad | Xuerian: http://i.imgur.com/Zbxk0vP.jpg |
| 12:06.02 | Xuerian | I hate it when that happens. Normal schedules are drab |
| 12:06.46 | Arrowmaster | maybe once im done training theyll let me come in later |
| 12:07.15 | VIad | is it normal to get empty mail from The Postmaster? lol ... http://i.imgur.com/MchcJLj.jpg |
| 12:07.22 | Xuerian | VIad: I know that happened when I tried to apply a gradient to the frame, but iirc gave up on that. When did this start? |
| 12:07.34 | zenzio | Arrowmaster: new job or something? |
| 12:07.41 | VIad | I played wow for the first time in a month :P so I just updated to latest XLoot :) |
| 12:07.42 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 12:07.52 | VIad | I believe it started after the first time it appeared |
| 12:08.05 | zenzio | Arrowmaster: what do you do? |
| 12:08.09 | VIad | but a bit unsure, if it was white from the beginning or after the first time |
| 12:08.37 | Arrowmaster | pc refresh tech, i go around to peoples cubes and replace their old computers with new ones |
| 12:09.10 | zenzio | I see. Hard to guess how they feel about work hours |
| 12:10.07 | Arrowmaster | well im supposed to do the training machines in the training rooms once they arrive and can be scheduled at times the rooms are being used, for those i should be able to come in a little late |
| 12:25.49 | VIad | This text looks weird to me, weird char prefix lol... |
| 12:25.59 | VIad | hidden character damn! |
| 12:26.42 | VIad | anyway, nevermind me :P |
| 12:37.06 | Xuerian | VIad: Problem is I don't have a active account, I can't even pop test rolls without a character with specific types of currency. |
| 12:37.50 | VIad | wow starter account? |
| 12:37.59 | VIad | and simulate event inputs :3 |
| 12:38.27 | Xuerian | ./run BONUS_ROLL_REQUIRED_CURRENCY=JUSTICE_CURRENCY BonusRollFrame_StartBonusRoll(6603,"test",30) is how you do it, but I can't, because I have no _CURRENCY items. I would have to manually rig the entire frame, and that sounds suspiciously like work |
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| 12:48.13 | karl_w_w | how can you have no currency |
| 12:48.19 | karl_w_w | that's crazy talk |
| 12:48.25 | karl_w_w | darkmoon faire is on |
| 12:48.36 | karl_w_w | go spend 2 minutes and get a currency! |
| 12:48.42 | Xuerian | grumpf |
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| 12:48.45 | Xuerian | starters can do that? |
| 12:48.51 | karl_w_w | shrugs |
| 12:49.01 | Grum | pf's back |
| 12:49.20 | VIad | let me help you Xuerian - moment |
| 12:49.30 | VIad | yes Xuerian I believe you can :P |
| 12:49.40 | VIad | or you can gank me for honor points haha |
| 12:49.53 | VIad | also archaeology is a currency available to all characters no? |
| 12:50.06 | VIad | hidden currencies :3 |
| 12:50.08 | Xuerian | I duno. |
| 12:50.15 | karl_w_w | archy is level 10 or something |
| 12:50.21 | VIad | let me test ;D |
| 12:51.20 | VIad | logging my level 1 :3 |
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| 12:54.51 | VIad | Xuerian: you can rewrite GetCurrencyInfo for testing purposes :P just sayan |
| 12:55.37 | karl_w_w | just super sayan? |
| 12:58.12 | VIad | exactly |
| 12:58.54 | Xuerian | Well, I suppose that'd work, yeah. |
| 12:59.04 | karl_w_w | http://www.collegehumor.com/embed/6710023/kid-tries-to-go-super-saiyan this was VIad |
| 12:59.14 | karl_w_w | before the transformation |
| 12:59.36 | VIad | Xuerian: http://pastebin.com/JbCGJHXJ |
| 13:00.09 | VIad | karl :P |
| 13:00.16 | VIad | Xuerian: it was black now, weird |
| 13:00.22 | VIad | maybe combat related? |
| 13:01.41 | VIad | weird, nope... was in combat when I showed it, works fine |
| 13:02.25 | VIad | maybe taint was involved? :/ shrug |
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| 13:06.47 | VIad | karl you were the first one to figure out my reference btw |
| 13:12.18 | Xuerian | VIad: First one to point out* |
| 13:12.29 | VIad | hehe |
| 13:12.35 | VIad | indeed |
| 13:12.59 | Xuerian | Anyway, I'll need more contextual information as to when it goes white, because as you saw: http://db.tt/Yydp7veG |
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| 14:24.22 | mitch0 | hrmp. how does one add an attachment to a comment on sf.net's bugtracker? |
| 14:27.30 | Lopeppeppy | I haaaaaaate....Dreamweeeeeeaver..... |
| 14:29.11 | Xuerian | That's still a thing? |
| 14:32.26 | zenzio | apparently so |
| 14:32.35 | Xuerian | At least it's not frontpage. |
| 14:33.57 | Lopeppeppy | We've still got some sites at our school that *****languish*** in friggin' Dreamweaver instead of our CMS, and yours-truly gets to figure them out when an update needs to happen. |
| 14:34.25 | haste | at least you don't have to work with Visma. |
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| 14:37.49 | pompy | http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/national_world&id=8982308 gg .... |
| 14:39.42 | Ressy | Its not a big deal.. We get mon-fri service in Canada, and you don't see us going batty. :P |
| 14:40.11 | Lopeppeppy | My post office is already closed on Saturday, I haven't had mail delivered on Saturdays in about 6 months. There's no letter that important that shouldn't be sent FedEx anyway. |
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| 14:47.45 | zenzio | Computerworld: "Safeguard your code: 17 security tips for developers" -- tip1: "test inputs rigorously" |
| 14:49.19 | neutronimity | I am back with my macro problem. |
| 14:51.19 | zenzio | were you just telling us, or do you actually have questions? |
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| 14:51.46 | neutronimity | Just telling. And kind of waiting for the people to show up who are kinda familiar with it. |
| 14:51.52 | neutronimity | You'd like to know about the issue? |
| 14:52.02 | zenzio | I'm about to leave work, so no :) |
| 14:52.21 | neutronimity | All right, though if it would satisfy your curiosity? |
| 14:52.49 | zenzio | if I had had time to read it, sure; but I don't |
| 14:52.59 | neutronimity | All right! |
| 14:53.03 | neutronimity | See you around :) |
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| 15:37.28 | Cairenn | https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=201915216621059&set=vb.116933268393048&type=2&theater |
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| 15:46.56 | Ressy | lmao |
| 15:47.30 | kd3 | wait... what? "The publisher of -snip- magazine is currently accepting a limited number of new, qualified subscribers for 2013. As an industry professional, a free subscription has been reserved for you." |
| 15:48.00 | kd3 | I'm apparently a professional in some field I've never had any experience in |
| 15:48.26 | Corrodias | i'm sure that's not a scam or completely overhyped advertising campaign at all |
| 15:48.56 | kd3 | it showed up in my inbox, which is what threw me |
| 15:51.48 | Lopeppeppy | Highly qualified, you are. |
| 15:51.55 | Cairenn | *nod nod* |
| 16:03.01 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
| 16:03.04 | kd3 | 'lo |
| 16:03.06 | Fisker | wanna trade for a surface pro? |
| 16:03.09 | kd3 | no |
| 16:03.20 | Fisker | :( |
| 16:03.41 | kd3 | wow. canada's said goodbye to the penny. wonder if we'll ever follow suit... especially considering it's cost us far more to make a penny than 1c for years now |
| 16:04.50 | Fisker | i'll say goodbye to the penny |
| 16:04.53 | Fisker | for a surface pro |
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| 16:14.43 | kd3 | rolls his eyes |
| 16:14.46 | kd3 | "Life imitates The Onion: 1 dead, 2 injured during Baltimore Ravens celebration parade. Fark: they were all stabbed [Followup]" |
| 16:14.56 | kd3 | http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2013/02/05/3-hurt-after-stabbing-in-downtown-baltimore/ |
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| 17:16.04 | karl_w_w | rolls kd3's eyes in panko |
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| 17:38.40 | jnwhiteh | What was the Clique discussion earlier? |
| 17:38.42 | jnwhiteh | was there resolution? |
| 17:38.50 | jnwhiteh | since no one seemed interested in asking me.. again.. |
| 17:39.25 | jnwhiteh | Semlar recall? |
| 17:39.33 | Humbedooh | jnwhiteh! |
| 17:39.37 | jnwhiteh | Humbedooh: ! |
| 17:39.39 | jnwhiteh | you met noa |
| 17:39.44 | Humbedooh | make lua_bot come back ;( |
| 17:39.46 | jnwhiteh | and someone else apparently mentioned my name |
| 17:39.54 | Humbedooh | yes, noa told me all about your dirty little secrets! |
| 17:40.03 | jnwhiteh | uhh |
| 17:40.05 | Humbedooh | and I told him not to ask you about csp ;) |
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| 17:40.12 | jnwhiteh | if i have any (which i dispute) he doesn't know any of them =) |
| 17:40.18 | Humbedooh | yay, lua_bot <3 |
| 17:40.39 | jnwhiteh | i wonder who else was at FOSDEM that knew me |
| 17:44.26 | jnwhiteh | looks around the channel with shifty-eyes |
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| 17:47.26 | Semlar | jnwhiteh: someone's macros were randomly locking up |
| 17:48.05 | Semlar | the only addons they were running were clique and engraved |
| 17:48.07 | jnwhiteh | Bizarre, did it have anything to do with Clique? |
| 17:49.47 | Semlar | that i don't know, they didn't have errors enabled when it was happening |
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| 17:50.53 | Semlar | it was neutronimity and it looks like he just left |
| 17:51.06 | Lopeppeppy | ponders ferreting out some of jnwhiteh's secrets. |
| 17:51.21 | jnwhiteh | hrm, which secrets have I given you? |
| 17:51.24 | jnwhiteh | I'm intrigued |
| 17:51.30 | jnwhiteh | if they're secrets I don't know about, thats even better! |
| 17:52.31 | Lopeppeppy | You haven't, or I wouldn't have to ferret them. |
| 17:52.40 | jnwhiteh | oh, good call |
| 17:52.45 | jnwhiteh | i'm not moving quickly today |
| 17:53.17 | Lopeppeppy | I could learn how good you are at doing laundry by examinging your whites, for example. |
| 17:53.22 | jnwhiteh | oh |
| 17:53.26 | jnwhiteh | they sit in the bottom of the hamper |
| 17:53.27 | jnwhiteh | for weeks |
| 17:53.32 | jnwhiteh | i just dont have enough of them = |
| 17:53.33 | jnwhiteh | =/ |
| 17:53.37 | Lopeppeppy | but are they pink/blue? |
| 17:53.38 | jnwhiteh | you'd be a good ferret! |
| 18:01.47 | Semlar | http://pastebin.com/zSs1LwDF these were some of his macros jnwhiteh |
| 18:02.36 | Semlar | he said his screen would briefly lock up and some of them would just stop working when he pressed them |
| 18:02.47 | Semlar | and it was completely random as to when it would happen |
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| 18:36.52 | Humbedooh | jnwhiteh: stop buying edible underwear then |
| 18:37.15 | TC-work | What else is he going to do for a snack? |
| 18:37.34 | Humbedooh | cake? :\ |
| 18:37.37 | Humbedooh | mmmm cake |
| 18:38.28 | TC-work | do they have undie flavored cake? |
| 18:40.36 | mikma | with chocolade stripes |
| 18:42.16 | TC-work | Hershey squirts is actually legit in this case. |
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| 18:43.31 | TC-work | http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/06/valve-bad-robot-games-film/ that could turn out well |
| 18:44.12 | Fisker | what if it couldn't TC-work |
| 18:44.41 | TC-work | Well then Fisker, it would be like nearly every other game movie crossover. |
| 18:44.54 | TC-work | the shit that shit shit's out. |
| 18:45.12 | Neffi | http://producten.hema.nl/?whatthefark |
| 18:45.13 | Neffi | +1 |
| 18:45.20 | Neffi | That cup is very nice |
| 18:46.06 | TC-work | rube goldberg niftyness |
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| 19:39.38 | jnwhiteh | anyone have a suggestion for how he can catch when the player types /afk or /away? http://wowprogramming.com/forums/development/755#3 |
| 19:39.42 | jnwhiteh | I haven't worked with that ina long time |
| 19:41.14 | foxlit | If all you care about are the commands, hook those |
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| 19:41.52 | Semlar | the slash command table |
| 19:42.31 | foxlit | the API functions would be better. |
| 19:42.51 | Semlar | what gets called when you type /afk |
| 19:43.41 | foxlit | jnwhiteh: if you care about detecting being flagged by the server, match CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM or poll UnitIsAFK. |
| 19:44.18 | Semlar | SendChatMessage(msg, "AFK") that can't be right |
| 19:44.59 | foxlit | looks right to me. |
| 19:45.39 | Semlar | then you could hook SendChatMessage and just check the second argument |
| 19:46.13 | Semlar | but what happens when you go afk automatically |
| 19:47.13 | Semlar | just the chat message? |
| 19:47.44 | Ressy | Cairenn: You should sign this: http://demandchoice.ca/ |
| 19:48.36 | Semlar | the message is probably in GlobalStrings so localization shouldn't matter too much if you want to do that |
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| 19:49.53 | Semlar | i would argue that hooking that slash command would be better than the api function since you wouldn't have to hook every sendchatmessage call |
| 19:52.24 | foxlit | Semlar: but have you checked that you can actually hook that slash command? :) |
| 19:52.39 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure you can |
| 19:52.41 | Neffi | Don't hook the command |
| 19:53.13 | Neffi | There's a CHAT_MSG_ event that gets fired when you go AFK. Regardless of whether or not the user is listening for it in the chat frame. The contents of the message are in GlobalStrings, so no localizing needs to be done. |
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| 19:53.49 | Cairenn | Ressy: no time to look at it in detail right now, will in a while, but initial glance suggests that wording is everything (as always) and they (Rogers/Shaw) may be okay as far as the law is concerned |
| 19:54.35 | foxlit | Semlar: I'm pretty sure you can't. |
| 19:54.37 | Semlar | on CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM compare with format(MARKED_AFK_MESSAGE, DEFAULT_AFK_MESSAGE)) |
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| 19:54.54 | Semlar | i've hooked other slash commands |
| 19:54.58 | Semlar | why wouldn't you be able to hook afk |
| 19:55.05 | Neffi | foxlit: You can hook the slash command handler, so long as you use hooksecurefunc |
| 19:55.17 | Semlar | SlashCmdList["CHAT_AFK"] |
| 19:55.24 | Neffi | You can also hook the particular function in the list |
| 19:55.39 | karl_w_w | http://news.ninemsn.com.au working for anyone else? |
| 19:55.40 | Neffi | Semlar: Might want to look more closely. Look for things like hash_SlashCmdList |
| 19:55.45 | Neffi | Hooking slash commands isn't that easy |
| 19:55.51 | Lopeppeppy | Karl, looks fine here. |
| 19:56.03 | Neffi | The ChatFrame.lua logic does some iternal formatting of its data |
| 19:56.39 | karl_w_w | weird, it's not resolving in dns for me and even if i get the ip i cant go to that |
| 19:56.51 | Neffi | isup.me |
| 19:57.52 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 19:58.37 | Semlar | at what point does it break because hooksecurefunc(SlashCmdList, 'CHAT_AFK', function() print('asdf') end) appears to work |
| 19:58.38 | foxlit | okay, I'm misreading things; you can hook it easily. |
| 20:00.02 | Semlar | but comparing the chat message would be better if you actually wanted to detect whenever they went afk |
| 20:02.53 | Neffi | Not sure. Some things can be hooked from SlashCmdList. Other things cannot be. |
| 20:03.10 | Neffi | Check the Lua. There's a few tables in there. |
| 20:03.15 | End_ | I'm surprised hooking things in SlashCmdList works |
| 20:03.42 | Neffi | In any case, you can always find the base function that's responsible for parsing all slash commands and hook that. If it's local, hook all the forward-facing APIs. |
| 20:04.09 | End_ | oh nevermind, I guess actually it makes sense, since it'll just overwrite the hidden table when hooksecurefunc writes to it |
| 20:04.37 | Neffi | Usually not |
| 20:04.48 | Neffi | They are different objects. |
| 20:05.18 | End_ | so long as it obeys metatables it should work |
| 20:05.19 | Neffi | !lua a={a=1}; b={a=a.a}; b.a=2; print(a.a) |
| 20:05.19 | batbot | Neffi: 1 |
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| 20:11.32 | End_ | ok, you're probably fine if you hook before ChatFrame_ImportListToHash() is called |
| 20:11.35 | End_ | I think |
| 20:12.00 | foxlit | the hash only maps /command -> KEY |
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| 20:12.06 | End_ | oh does it |
| 20:12.13 | End_ | so it does |
| 20:12.37 | Miel | Hi everyone. Unfortunately this isn't wholly WoW-related, but I'm trying to create a chat macro with AutoHotkey for a game that uses a similar chat setup (uses "/" to swap between channels). Kind of a long shot, but has anyone here used AutoHotkey to create a chat macro for WoW? |
| 20:12.57 | Semlar | i don't think that's allowed in wow |
| 20:13.30 | End_ | if it does then the comment is wrong |
| 20:13.46 | End_ | no, it's not wrong |
| 20:14.09 | End_ | but it isn't a local anyway |
| 20:14.09 | Stanzilla | it is allowed the same way g15 macros are allowed |
| 20:14.52 | End_ | so you could just hook hash_SlashCmdList |
| 20:16.00 | Semlar | hooking SlashCmdList works before and after you call /afk so i don't know why you would have to hook the hash table |
| 20:16.53 | End_ | hm |
| 20:17.19 | End_ | I'm not really sure |
| 20:18.11 | End_ | so far as I know secure hooks work identical to normal ones (they replace the existing function with their own), so I must be missing something |
| 20:18.32 | Semlar | uh |
| 20:18.36 | Semlar | secure hook is a tail call |
| 20:18.45 | Semlar | i don't think it replaces the function |
| 20:18.49 | End_ | I mean |
| 20:18.53 | End_ | it replaces the entry in the table |
| 20:19.55 | Semlar | what do you mean |
| 20:20.12 | Semlar | you think it changes the original function somehow? |
| 20:20.16 | End_ | noooo |
| 20:20.20 | End_ | the table changes |
| 20:20.26 | foxlit | it re-imports your hook. |
| 20:20.27 | Semlar | what table |
| 20:20.33 | End_ | the function is in! |
| 20:20.48 | Semlar | SlashCmdList? |
| 20:20.53 | End_ | it doesn't matter |
| 20:21.11 | End_ | oh |
| 20:21.21 | Semlar | it matters because i don't know what you mean |
| 20:21.24 | foxlit | The logical disconnect is that since SlashCmdList contents are moved to hash_SlashCmdList, and hash_SlashCmdList maps a /command to the handler function, your hook stored in SlashCmdList should not get called |
| 20:21.40 | End_ | yea that would make sense it would copy the hook over |
| 20:21.49 | jnwhiteh | Semlar: i looked in globalstrings and didn't see it |
| 20:21.51 | jnwhiteh | which makes it tough |
| 20:22.03 | End_ | Semlar: hooksecurefunc requires a table to operate on |
| 20:22.05 | Semlar | jnwhiteh on CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM compare with format(MARKED_AFK_MESSAGE, DEFAULT_AFK_MESSAGE)) |
| 20:22.07 | End_ | if you don't give it one it uses _G |
| 20:22.30 | jnwhiteh | Semlar: oh, nice |
| 20:22.38 | Semlar | i have an extra ) in there |
| 20:22.47 | End_ | but what foxlist says makes sense, although I don't know why Neffi would be seeing some condition where a hook wouldn't work |
| 20:22.52 | End_ | er, foxlit I mean |
| 20:23.22 | foxlit | you probably can't hook secure slash commands this way |
| 20:23.25 | g0urra | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZoWUPsVxHE |
| 20:23.31 | Semlar | that message won't work if you go afk with a different message than the default jnwhiteh |
| 20:23.45 | End_ | well |
| 20:23.53 | End_ | secure slash commands aren't exposed anywhere that I know of |
| 20:24.03 | Neffi | End_: hooksecurefunc overwrites the pointer, not the function. |
| 20:24.16 | Neffi | If two tables contain the same function, hooking the function in one doesn't impact the other |
| 20:24.26 | End_ | yes that was what I was trying to say |
| 20:24.29 | End_ | it writes to the table |
| 20:24.49 | End_ | it replaces the function in the table with its own function that will call the original function |
| 20:25.51 | Semlar | ultimately you would probably have to check multiple things to make sure you catch it |
| 20:26.21 | Semlar | one for going away automatically and one for typing it |
| 20:27.17 | Semlar | actually you could probably just use a pattern |
| 20:27.26 | Semlar | instead of matching the exact message |
| 20:28.42 | Semlar | you could replace %s in MARKED_AFK_MESSAGE with .+ or something and check against that |
| 20:29.22 | End_ | hm, I see a way to get at SecureSlashCmd and its hash counterpart if you wanted to hook something in there for some odd reason |
| 20:30.02 | foxlit | Yes, they should probably localize pairs for that file. |
| 20:30.11 | End_ | that wasn't even what I was thinking of |
| 20:30.18 | Arrowmaster | im home, you know what really sucks in the morning, finding yourself in the cell deadspot in an office building, i was trying to browse the web this morning but was denied |
| 20:30.22 | End_ | although it was something very similar |
| 20:30.29 | End_ | (ChatFrame_ImportListToHash is also public) |
| 20:30.52 | foxlit | does that help? |
| 20:31.06 | mikma | i started to wonder would my old old collapsing chat -addon still work :P |
| 20:31.08 | End_ | it requires chat frame interaction to be called after first load, but I'm not sure it gets used much outside of that? |
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| 20:32.26 | foxlit | ah, also ChatFrame_ImportAllListsToHash which calls it with interesting arguments. |
| 20:33.20 | End_ | yup |
| 20:39.37 | g0urra | hm.. PTR is down I guess? |
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| 20:54.44 | kd3 | I just logged out a second ago |
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| 20:58.06 | g0urra | my client is borked then |
| 20:58.54 | g0urra | I get #134 whenever I try to log onto the WoW account that doesn't give a Development realm list |
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| 21:31.19 | Semlar | works for me |
| 21:34.25 | TC-work | Anyone know what other software can utilize clonezilla files? |
| 21:41.05 | kd3 | wtf; http://blog.krisk.org/2013/02/packets-of-death.html |
| 21:41.23 | Mr_Rabies | these pugs are going to give me a heart attack |
| 21:41.30 | Mr_Rabies | i really wish i could afford to transfer my characters |
| 21:41.31 | Mr_Rabies | :| |
| 21:42.25 | Mr_Rabies | it's the kind of stress i'd rather not deal with |
| 21:47.08 | Primer | kd3: reminds me of teardrop from around 1997 |
| 21:48.58 | Primer | I was at Comdex in Vegas that year. I got on IRC from a telnet (yes, telnet) client on a windows 95 machine at one of the Novell displays where they had a bunch of such machines. I then said to some people "Hey, I'm at Comdex! Check out my IP!", and "Wow, I wonder if these guys are firewalled..." |
| 21:49.06 | Primer | They weren't |
| 21:49.12 | Primer | Someone in the channel teardropped the entire segment |
| 21:49.18 | kd3 | haha |
| 21:49.29 | Primer | I laughed heartily as every single win 95 box locked up |
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| 22:04.46 | TC-work | so buy.com changed names to Rakuten.com.....uh, not a good way to go guys |
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| 22:15.40 | creitve | Hello. I have a few questions. I am starting to learn about addon development, and have my helloworld working, but do devs really relog each time, is it the only way to debug? |
| 22:16.23 | TC-work | I suspect it depends on what you are testing |
| 22:16.42 | alestane | You have to restart the client whenever you add new files to an addon. |
| 22:17.00 | alestane | When you change some existing files, there is the /reloadui command |
| 22:18.00 | creitve | oh, I see now |
| 22:18.40 | creitve | I thought it was like a container, to prevent addons from passing data through. |
| 22:18.54 | creitve | that locks after load |
| 22:19.07 | creitve | thanks |
| 22:19.14 | Semlar | it only reads from the files when you reload the interface |
| 22:22.15 | creitve | I see, thanks! |
| 22:23.20 | creitve | Second question: when I google for wow addon api, it brings up wowwiki and some other sites, on which there is usually no proper date or version mentioned. What should I use as proper current API list? |
| 22:24.22 | TC-work | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api is pretty good |
| 22:24.45 | Semlar | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api_categories |
| 22:24.58 | TC-work | and we have a bot function for handyness |
| 22:25.01 | TC-work | ~api something |
| 22:25.01 | purl | !api something |
| 22:25.02 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'something'. |
| 22:25.09 | TC-work | err..i meant ! |
| 22:25.29 | alestane | wowwiki is not necessarily maintained, it's been replaced by wowpedia. |
| 22:25.32 | creitve | great, evernoted, thx |
| 22:27.55 | creitve | The third for now: I learned about wow console enabled by -console key for wow.exe. Is it ban-safe to run client with enabled console? Do you use it extensively during development? |
| 22:28.08 | Semlar | i have never used it |
| 22:28.58 | alestane | There is, IIRC, a /command in game which is equivalent to running lines at the console. |
| 22:29.12 | Semlar | it's just /console |
| 22:29.21 | creitve | oh |
| 22:29.33 | alestane | The -console switch is used mostly to allow access BEFORE connecting to the game and loading the standard UI, so that UI files can be exported. |
| 22:30.04 | creitve | I see, yes, that is how I learned about it. |
| 22:30.17 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure console variables are just stored in config.wtf |
| 22:30.40 | creitve | Soo, thank you very much, I will try reading some addons I have extracted. |
| 22:31.15 | Semlar | cvars are mostly for like client settings, you don't usually mess with them |
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| 22:43.05 | creitve | Next question: What are the disadvantages of using a framework like Ace? What I won't be able to do, would it affect the perfomance? |
| 22:45.32 | Semlar | ace is supposed to speed up development but i never saw much point to it |
| 22:45.43 | Semlar | i mean you have to spend time learning how to use it |
| 22:47.42 | creitve | So it is okay for beginner (or even the best option) to try plain coding first? |
| 22:47.59 | smcn | yes |
| 22:48.04 | Semlar | i would personally learn how to use the api directly |
| 22:48.25 | Semlar | ace might be good for code that you don't want to have to keep writing over and over for common tasks |
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| 22:48.47 | creitve | Just like any other proper framework, I see. |
| 22:48.49 | creitve | Thanks. |
| 22:48.56 | smcn | the only functional thing i've used from ace is serialization to send tables between clients, besides that i've used aceconfigdialog just because i'm too lazy to draw up my own frames :P |
| 22:49.26 | Semlar | someone who uses it could probably offer more incentive |
| 22:49.31 | Semlar | i don't really know |
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| 22:51.07 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/aagVMnA.png i feel like this is too short to be all the instances |
| 22:51.31 | Semlar | am i missing some stuff |
| 22:52.39 | Semlar | ah stratholme isn't here so i must be |
| 22:54.16 | Semlar | i can't figure out how the game decides which map to display when you're in a dungeon |
| 22:55.32 | Amarande | it's da voodoo, mon :) |
| 22:55.34 | Amarande | *ducks* |
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| 22:57.07 | smcn | Semlar and there aren't any northrend or pandaria dungeons except the nexus |
| 22:57.15 | Semlar | yeah it's missing a lot of instances |
| 22:57.37 | neutronimity | Hmm. Hi people. I am back with my macro problem. |
| 22:57.50 | Semlar | what's the verdict |
| 22:57.54 | smcn | scholo and shadowfang also missing, coincidentally were redesigned and rereleased |
| 22:58.15 | neutronimity | By itself, the breaking macro does not throw a LUA Error, or at least the window for it doesn't appear. |
| 22:58.34 | Semlar | you aren't getting any errors? |
| 22:58.42 | Semlar | at any point |
| 22:58.48 | neutronimity | Nope, never have. Except, |
| 22:59.40 | neutronimity | Upon opening the Interface config mid combat with already broken macro (Esc>Interface) and then clicking Cancel throws a yellow message. |
| 22:59.59 | neutronimity | Something about an action by addon prevented |
| 23:00.32 | Semlar | that's probably taint from the stupid addon config |
| 23:00.38 | Semlar | i don't think it should affect anything |
| 23:01.07 | neutronimity | I will try without broken macro now. |
| 23:01.18 | Semlar | play without the addons for a while and see if it happens again |
| 23:01.19 | neutronimity | Ooh yes |
| 23:01.28 | neutronimity | Reproduced it without a broken macro. |
| 23:01.39 | neutronimity | Sure, I will. |
| 23:02.05 | Semlar | you're sure you have errors set to display? |
| 23:02.09 | neutronimity | Yes |
| 23:02.22 | Semlar | interesting |
| 23:02.23 | neutronimity | Display LUA Erroes: ticked |
| 23:03.17 | Humbedooh | Don't UPPERCASE Lua: not ticket ;( |
| 23:03.23 | Humbedooh | ticked* |
| 23:03.45 | neutronimity | While tanking Sha of Fear LFR, a macro different than the preceding one immediately broke after a reloadui. :( |
| 23:03.48 | Amarande | Humbedooh: I think the whole "LUA" thing is mostly force of habit from long-timers with computers :) |
| 23:03.49 | neutronimity | LAU LAU LAU LAU |
| 23:04.08 | Humbedooh | who or what is LAU? |
| 23:04.15 | neutronimity | A tease |
| 23:04.20 | smcn | capitalization of beta is far more annoying |
| 23:04.22 | Amarande | remember the olden days of DOS where file names including extensions were all caps, even if the extension isn't actually an acronym |
| 23:04.25 | Humbedooh | I bet he/she/it is |
| 23:04.27 | smcn | because beta is actually a word |
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| 23:06.08 | Amarande | Of course, maybe if we did things the British way instead of American we wouldn't ever have to worry about that :P |
| 23:06.24 | Amarande | At least from what I've seen in The Guardian, in England they apparently only capitalise the first letter of acronyms |
| 23:06.57 | Amarande | thus, even if people *did* think LUA was an acronym, they'd say Lua anyway. :P |
| 23:08.52 | neutronimity | http://pastebin.com/sYWz11yy |
| 23:09.15 | Jamash | your face is an acronym Amarande |
| 23:09.17 | neutronimity | Opened Engraved addon config during combat |
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| 23:09.33 | creitve | Btw, what addon developers think about Lua? I have some Python experience, and Lua seems a bit unfriendly after 2 days of learning, tbh. |
| 23:09.49 | Humbedooh | unfriendly? :\ |
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| 23:09.54 | Humbedooh | we looooves it |
| 23:10.38 | creitve | Okay, then it is just me, I will get used to it, sooner or later :-) |
| 23:11.02 | Humbedooh | if you have any trouble understanding parts of lua, do join #lua :) |
| 23:11.05 | Amarande | heh, try not to complain too loudly, anyway |
| 23:11.09 | Amarande | otherwise, next thing we'll see something like |
| 23:11.25 | Amarande | Patch 6.0.1 release notes: Due to complaints about Lua as an addon language, all addons must now be coded in INTERCAL |
| 23:11.37 | Humbedooh | FoxPro! |
| 23:11.48 | Humbedooh | or Go! ;\ |
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| 23:11.54 | Humbedooh | jnwhiteh would like that :| |
| 23:12.36 | Jamash | Lua's ok but it sucks at pattern matching w/o external libs wowlua doesn't have |
| 23:13.06 | Humbedooh | true, adding a simple regex binding would be easy piecy |
| 23:13.35 | Jamash | other than that and a few quibbles about metatables and iterators I like it |
| 23:13.57 | Jamash | I mean, it's no APL, but what is? |
| 23:14.15 | Humbedooh | Action Parsnip Lingo? |
| 23:15.00 | Jamash | A Programming Language :p |
| 23:15.12 | Jamash | Mathematicians, what can you do? |
| 23:15.17 | Humbedooh | I liked the other one better :\ |
| 23:15.28 | Amarande | or worse, maybe we'd have to use COBOL |
| 23:15.30 | Jamash | too bad! |
| 23:15.34 | smcn | j |
| 23:15.35 | xyphoid | i found lua a breath of fresh air personally, using a SMALL language for a change was crazy |
| 23:15.46 | xyphoid | like i sat down and read the lua manual and went that was it? really? |
| 23:16.10 | Amarande | or perhaps Ada, though I'll admit to being insane enough to actually be interested in learning Ada |
| 23:17.20 | Jamash | noty |
| 23:17.38 | Jamash | Even the military is giving up on Ada |
| 23:18.32 | Amarande | Jamash: I'd presume that's more a matter of efficiency than anything else, at least on an offhand hunch kind of thought |
| 23:19.22 | Amarande | Really the one downside about Ada is that most major libraries and such on modern platforms tend to be designed with C programs in mind |
| 23:19.33 | Amarande | but that's really an issue for any compiled language that's not C-based |
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| 23:21.51 | Jamash | Ada is great if a bug in your program is at all likely to result in injury, death and/or catastrophic failure in something expensive |
| 23:22.33 | Jamash | most of the time you don't need that level of reliability |
| 23:23.40 | Semlar|Laptop | i don't know, my addons are pretty dangerous |
| 23:23.50 | Amarande | Jamash: actually, that means something of note nowadays :) |
| 23:24.10 | Amarande | It means we probably would have been a hell of a lot better off if Ada had become the standard cyber "lingua franca" instead of C |
| 23:24.46 | Amarande | the rash of security bugs over the years in C-based Internet servers pretty much fall into the third category there :P |
| 23:27.39 | Jamash | you're not wong there |
| 23:27.56 | Jamash | c is a tarpit where security goes to die |
| 23:28.23 | Jamash | *wrong |
| 23:31.37 | Amarande | but yeah, I imagine the abandonment of Ada probably has a lot to do with libraries |
| 23:31.51 | Amarande | there's that little manner of so many libraries being based in a C/C++ paradigm |
| 23:32.30 | Amarande | on similar lines, I suspect it's why so many coders bite the bullet and use OOP even when OOP isn't really their cup of tea |
| 23:33.09 | Amarande | because Windows is so heavily C++ based that the inconvenience of using anything but C++ is likely a rather heavy counterweight against the comfort of any other language :S |
| 23:33.39 | Amarande | myself, I've never really been a fan of OOP on a thought level |
| 23:34.25 | Arrowmaster | anybody have a thinkgeek coupon code i can have |
| 23:35.23 | Arrowmaster | their latest email has a $10 code that expires the 7th but i dont know if those codes are generic or unique |
| 23:35.36 | Amarande | but yeah ... can you even really use, say, DirectX effectively with plain C, or do you basically *have to* use C++, bite the bullet and use an object-oriented approach? |
| 23:36.10 | Amarande | not sure. the last coupon code I've used anywhere was from ebay and that was a unique one |
| 23:36.22 | Amarande | oddly enough, I'm not actually sure I've ever bought anything from TG, despite having browsed it quite a lot |
| 23:36.37 | Arrowmaster | im about to place a big order |
| 23:36.47 | Arrowmaster | bag of holding and some tools |
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| 23:47.26 | TC-work | Arrowmaster: what's wrong with the$10 off? |
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| 23:53.06 | Arrowmaster | i was just wondering if i could stack a few |
| 23:53.17 | Arrowmaster | but i just placed the order anyway |
| 23:54.45 | Arrowmaster | i ordered a http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/f31f/ plus some other stuff |
| 23:55.50 | Amarande | you usually can't stack coupons, Arrow :p |
| 23:56.09 | Amarande | just about everything tends to be "limit one coupon per eligible purchase" :S |
| 23:56.39 | Amarande | ooh nifty |
| 23:56.52 | Amarande | and you'll have more room for dice and character sheets now that Hasbro finally got their heads out of the sand :) |
| 23:57.03 | Amarande | since they're FINALLY letting WotC sell PDFs of D&D stuff again |
| 23:57.35 | Arrowmaster | i dont actually play D&D currently |
| 23:57.40 | Amarande | note to self: ask Hasbro executives someday whether the sand was tasty |
| 23:57.42 | Amarande | heh |
| 23:57.44 | Arrowmaster | playing Pathfinder and Fantasy Craft |
| 23:58.00 | Amarande | well, Pathfinder being D20, you might find some of the Third Edition stuff useful |
| 23:58.14 | TC-work | You mean 3.5 stuff |
| 23:58.19 | Mr_Rabies | anyone know a good deal about htpcs? i'm having a hell of a time finding one that does what i want :| |
| 23:58.21 | Amarande | I prefer the term "3.x" |
| 23:58.25 | TC-work | Besides, it's still a pain to convert |
| 23:58.35 | Amarande | TBH, as far as I'm aware, 3.5 didn't really change all that much of the real basics of the system |
| 23:59.02 | Amarande | mostly what I recall is that they changed the specifics of the ranger class, and also the default rules for how damage reduction is penetrated (though not the basic DR rule itself) |
| 23:59.10 | Amarande | oh, and nerfed "Harm" |
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| 23:59.23 | TC-work | Yes, but 3.0 -> Pathfinder is 2-3x the amount of modification needed |
| 23:59.37 | Arrowmaster | from what i remember 3.5 changes some encumbrance or movement stuff and combined a few skills |
