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| 00:33.45 | bleeter | when you swallow the blue pill |
| 00:33.56 | TC-work | rubs up against bleeter |
| 00:40.46 | TC-work | "Australia's record-setting heat wave is so insanely intense that in some areas drivers can no longer refuel their vehicles because the petrol evaporates as it's pumped." I shouldn't laugh....but i did. |
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| 00:41.10 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:46.20 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: not Blizzard, at least |
| 00:52.07 | bleeter | TC-work: *insert petrol sniffing observational humour here* |
| 00:55.34 | TC-work | bleeter: It's wasn't about that. It was more about having to pay for it, and not receiving it. On the other hand, I'm not sure how that works, when i fill up i shove a large nozzle down my gas tank. Seems odd that it could evaporate from there. |
| 00:57.14 | foxlit | Hm, I have a brilliant plan |
| 00:58.41 | foxlit | Macro everything in a giant /cast Foo /run bar() /stopcasting /cast Foo2 macro, and have bar() hang in the appropriate place, to be killed by the "the lua script is taking too much time!" watchdog. |
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| 01:01.42 | bleeter | TC-work: don't quote me, but I *think* there's a whole buncha science about storing fuel and the tanks expanding/contracting etc. |
| 01:02.11 | bleeter | now I dunno if said tanks would need to vent, or... just... no, no idea. |
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| 01:03.04 | TC-work | That makes two of us Mr. bleeter. |
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| 01:08.34 | bleeter | TC-work: apparently unless there's a real tight seal in between the nozzle of the bowser and the intake of the car's fuel tank, yes substantian ambient evaporation can happen |
| 01:09.21 | bleeter | TC-work: and if you wander in to the office to chat away with staff for a time while leaving the fuel tank's cap off... yeah, can end up with no fuel =) |
| 01:09.33 | TC-work | What office ? |
| 01:10.24 | TC-work | besides, i can't imagine it evaporates so fast you notice it while pumping |
| 01:11.29 | Dagmar | Tanks need to vent. |
| 01:11.47 | Dagmar | Very faint fumes aren't a big problem. INTENSE fumes, on the other hand... |
| 01:12.14 | Dagmar | That having been said gas in quantity doesn't evaporate much faster than water does. |
| 01:15.00 | TC-work | http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18bgg2l4ouon8jpg/original.jpg heh |
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| 02:45.57 | Arrowmaster | kd3: http://www.hyottokoproductions.com/products/meme-target-013/ |
| 02:49.14 | kd3 | hahahaha |
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| 03:53.13 | Kraps | hey this show has something similar to a core hound |
| 04:03.27 | Amarande | Kraps: well, really, core hounds are pretty much two-headed ripoffs of Cerberus anyway :) |
| 04:08.42 | kd3 | power rangers = google chrome? http://i.imgur.com/uuDPN.jpg |
| 04:08.58 | kd3 | though it's not, because blue/green are swapped |
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| 04:16.09 | bleeter | looks like a Simon game to me just with one button moved from the outside to the inside |
| 04:16.32 | bleeter | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/OriginalSimon.jpg |
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| 04:41.02 | Thunder_Child | Some one kill me. |
| 04:50.16 | Mr_Rabies | my new goal is to convert my NES into a top-loader model |
| 04:53.39 | bleeter | ~kill Thunder_Child |
| 04:53.39 | purl | ACTION shoots a super-inverse pseudophoton gun at Thunder_Child |
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| 04:57.23 | kullervo | I wonder why there's only one stagger addon on curse |
| 04:58.05 | kullervo | now I wonder why I try to do things when this tired |
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| 05:08.15 | karl_w_w | holy fuck |
| 05:08.31 | karl_w_w | they gave me 5 more dota 2 invites |
| 05:08.36 | karl_w_w | so now i have 8 |
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| 05:27.16 | Torhal | Things like this are why Person of Interest is a decent show: http://o7.no/Vdjyid |
| 05:28.48 | bleeter | karl_w_w: easy, clone yourself 7 times |
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| 05:32.54 | Dagmar | Torhal: Well, it's at least C. ...but they do have a really good technical consultant on that show, to be sure. |
| 05:33.28 | Torhal | Dagmar: Aye. Actual fucking C code instead of gobbledegook. |
| 05:33.47 | Torhal | And a teacher on the show just explained that The Internet used to be known as ARPANET. |
| 05:33.48 | Torhal | So win. |
| 05:33.55 | Dagmar | Yep. |
| 05:34.10 | Dagmar | They made up the obvious part there, but it was still cute |
| 05:34.30 | Torhal | Oh, fuck. |
| 05:34.52 | Dagmar | huh? |
| 05:34.58 | Torhal | Fail formatting is fail: http://o7.no/Vdlt6v |
| 05:35.10 | Torhal | Real code, obviously not inputted by a real coder. |
| 05:35.49 | Dagmar | More than likely just pulled from an IDE that automatically does formatting, but doesn't store it with the source |
| 05:36.09 | Torhal | That's a bit...non-conventional. |
| 05:36.17 | Dagmar | The kid *was* supposed to be doing this on a school computer not specifically meant for "pro" coding |
| 05:36.28 | Torhal | Oh, you saw the episode. |
| 05:36.31 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 05:36.39 | Torhal | Doesn't matter: Spacebar or Tab FTW. |
| 05:36.45 | Torhal | Anywho, back to it. |
| 05:38.30 | Dagmar | I kinda think if you were doing your dev on cocktail napkins, you might not give a fuck if what you're feeding to the compiler is pretty or not |
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| 05:42.10 | Dagmar | Hopefully that wasn't the DoJ cutting his power |
| 05:42.16 | Dagmar | wrong chan |
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| 05:57.45 | Primer | Anyone know if there's an addon that tracks Sha spawns? Searched for "Sha" in CC and...it's a lot of results |
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| 06:20.38 | durcyn | Primer: what the devil is the point? every 15 minutes, rain or shine |
| 06:21.44 | Dagmar | I like watching them trying to scrabble together a group at 3am when everyone's burned out on running their alts through it |
| 06:50.54 | Arrowmaster | shit i think im out of AA batteries and my mouse batteries are dying |
| 06:51.25 | Arrowmaster | guess ill have to pickup some duracells tomorrow |
| 06:53.14 | durcyn | get some eneloops, Arrowmaster |
| 06:55.26 | Ackis | my guild officially died |
| 06:55.29 | Ackis | :( |
| 06:57.04 | smcn | :( |
| 06:58.31 | Primer | Someone claimed to have an addon that timed Sha to the second, was just curious |
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| 07:01.12 | Primer | Anyone know how to make this /opie thing work? None of the keybinds work |
| 07:01.52 | Primer | Ok, nm, seems it just hates num pad |
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| 07:29.32 | Neffi | Anyone playing WoW on Linux/wine with an an HD 3000 (Sandy Bridge)? |
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| 10:42.07 | bluworkcow | *noms Fisker* |
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| 11:06.24 | karl_w_w | "Fixing underseas cables is an extraordinarily unsophisticated process involving a ship equipped with a long stick that has a hook at the end," hehe |
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| 12:33.42 | zenzio | "It should have been ::is_exact_as_long_as_it_does_not_overflow_otherwise_could_trigger_undefined_behavior but the name was a bit too long" |
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| 14:00.57 | karl_w_w | https://twitter.com/Ghostcrawler/status/290183014464512000 uglad Mr_Rabies? |
| 14:10.35 | foxlit | Primer: Ok, nm, seems it just hates num pad << it shouldn't hate the num pad. Your numlock is probably off. |
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| 15:04.33 | Rythal | hums, "the servers down again.. might be an hour or ten.." |
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| 15:57.52 | karl_w_w | what is a payroll officer? |
| 15:58.04 | Dagmar | THe person who rubber-stamps the checks. |
| 15:58.26 | karl_w_w | makes sense |
| 15:59.54 | bluworkcow | lol |
| 15:59.54 | bluworkcow | http://www.neowin.net/news/windows-phone-error-confuses-itself-with-a-desktop? |
| 16:02.50 | mikma | http://www.jonnela.fi/parisee/proof.jpg |
| 16:03.47 | karl_w_w | you will have experience in data entry role and can tyle at least 50wpm <- dat irony |
| 16:05.53 | bluworkcow | how does one tile at 50 words per minute ? |
| 16:07.33 | karl_w_w | alphabet bathroom tiles |
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| 16:20.51 | Shirik | karl_w_w: Tiling at 50 words per minute seems pretty fast |
| 16:20.58 | Shirik | I was never any good at scrabble |
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| 16:31.54 | Arrowmaster | how do you fail so badly at email microsoft |
| 16:32.31 | Arrowmaster | i just got a bounce back email because i tried to add a contact on msn and the domain they use isnt configured for email |
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| 16:33.23 | Arrowmaster | it seems microsoft sends an email posing as you (forged FROM header but no SENDER header from what i can see) and then it bounces back to you when it fails |
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| 16:43.30 | Arrowmaster | kd3: have you gotten adding non steam software to steam to work on linux? |
| 16:43.33 | foxlit | On further thought, the taint implementation in wow is wrong. |
| 16:44.34 | foxlit | Instead of treating addon code as tainted by default, they could instead treat combat-related information as tainted by default. |
| 16:45.19 | foxlit | (but of course that involves rewriting everything, so it's never going to happen) |
| 16:46.14 | bluworkcow | heh |
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| 16:50.07 | Dagmar | it would also be wrong. |
| 16:50.41 | foxlit | hm? |
| 16:54.41 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: whats the proper way to write a .desktop file for a program with spaces in the path |
| 16:55.22 | bluworkcow | i imagine you escape the spaces |
| 16:55.37 | Arrowmaster | either i did something wrong or steam linux parses .desktop files on its own in a weird way |
| 16:56.56 | Arrowmaster | i tried putting the full path with spaces escaped as `\ ` in the Exec line and then did it again with `Exec="..."` and neither worked |
| 16:57.06 | Arrowmaster | well they worked but not in steam linux |
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| 17:01.56 | Lopeppeppy | is not supposed to giggle about escapes. |
| 17:03.44 | VIad | Android people seem to hate themes :( |
| 17:04.22 | Shirik | soooo |
| 17:04.23 | alestane | http://xkcd.com/234/ |
| 17:04.25 | VIad | it's what you see all the time, I'd say it's a quite important thing to consider making customizable friendly :P |
| 17:04.39 | Shirik | walking around the house, trying to find my phone, finally resort to find my iphone |
| 17:04.47 | Shirik | a loud sound in my pocket starts going off |
| 17:04.54 | VIad | lol |
| 17:06.06 | alestane | My friend from childhood told me about the time her father was looking all over for his glasses; finally she told him they were on top of his head. |
| 17:06.20 | VIad | that is so grandfather like behavior :P |
| 17:07.07 | alestane | http://christinelavin.com/index.php?page=songs&display=235&category=Please_Don|t_Make_Me_Too_Happy |
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| 17:42.30 | Mr_Rabies | <@Shirik> a loud sound in my pocket starts going off |
| 17:42.35 | Mr_Rabies | was it bees? |
| 17:46.52 | smcn | Mr_Rabies: beaDs |
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| 17:50.52 | Mr_Rabies | ~realmstatus |
| 17:50.53 | purl | i guess realmstatus is http://us.battle.net/wow/en/status |
| 18:02.04 | pompy1 | not yet! |
| 18:03.55 | Ressy | http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/7591982115#1 |
| 18:09.43 | karl_w_w | can you swear on mmo-c forums? |
| 18:10.17 | TC-work | holds a hand above the forums "I swear...." |
| 18:10.40 | Alram | yes karl_w_w only Fisker can |
| 18:11.22 | TC-work | karl_w_w: "Do not post inappropriate or offensive content." *shrug* |
| 18:11.32 | Funkeh` | Ressy, heh, it's a shame they don't have an addon system in d3. I added protection against spam invites into badboy for wow a while back |
| 18:12.21 | karl_w_w | "We do not want to see: Racism, hatred, violent language, threats, real-life threats, insults, extreme vulgar language, flaming, otherwise inappropriate or hurtful language, harassment, grammar policing." |
| 18:12.38 | karl_w_w | so you can swear in moderation as long as it isn't at people |
| 18:13.46 | TC-work | 'extreme' is subjective though |
| 18:28.54 | pompy1 | le sigh.. so my mom got a call from "microsoft" today and the caller id says "unknown" |
| 18:29.13 | pompy1 | whether or not that was them, idk.. but she never contacte them for help |
| 18:29.31 | pompy1 | and she let the person remote desktop into the computer. hm. |
| 18:29.43 | kd3 | ugh |
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| 18:30.06 | pompy1 | i told her to hang up the phone 1000 times and she wouldnt |
| 18:30.12 | kd3 | I would assume the "agent" opened up the log viewer and said "zomg look at these harmless errors. they're viruses!" |
| 18:30.16 | pompy1 | i shut off the computer and he called here right away |
| 18:30.29 | pompy1 | yeah, he had her go into the log viewer and stuff. |
| 18:30.42 | Arrowmaster | yeah scam |
| 18:30.57 | Arrowmaster | run malware scan on that computer asap |
| 18:31.00 | pompy1 | def |
| 18:31.03 | pompy1 | in the process of |
| 18:31.06 | kd3 | I'd just nuke it from orbit |
| 18:31.36 | pompy1 | ban her from using a computer! |
| 18:32.00 | Arrowmaster | i banned my dad from anything but a simple user account on XP |
| 18:32.13 | Arrowmaster | he got his own laptop with win7 on it though that i dont mess with |
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| 18:33.56 | karl_w_w | how are people so stupid |
| 18:34.15 | Dagmar | Too many guard railings. |
| 18:34.49 | Dagmar | ...and a lack of dark sarcasm on warning labels. |
| 18:35.20 | Dagmar | If bottles of rat poison said "Warning: The contents of this bottle are FUCKIN' DELICIOUS." we'd have a lot fewer idiots on the streets. |
| 18:35.20 | karl_w_w | if somebody randomly knocks on your door and says "I'm an important persony-person, there might be something wrong with your hot water system can I come in and poke around" you would close the door in their face |
| 18:35.30 | karl_w_w | so why are computers any different |
| 18:35.46 | karl_w_w | lol Dagmar |
| 18:35.48 | Dagmar | karl_w_w: I'd be holding them until the police arrived. |
| 18:36.23 | Dagmar | I don't fuck around when it comes to people clearly casing my house. |
| 18:37.13 | Lopeppeppy | karl, I'd close the door and call the cops. |
| 18:37.23 | Dagmar | ...particularly since the last guy who came to my door with sketchy looking "magazine sales" paperwork was doing just that. |
| 18:37.37 | Dagmar | He is in jail now. |
| 18:37.42 | kd3 | ! |
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| 18:38.03 | Lopeppeppy | If he's not looking to rob my place, he's a scam artist looking to prey on my elderly neighbors. |
| 18:38.32 | Unkle | Wait, what am I doing now? |
| 18:38.40 | Dagmar | Yeah it turns out the police don't like it when you are both taking checks from people for magazines youre never going to deliver *and* are the harbinger of a rash of mysterious breakins |
| 18:38.43 | kd3 | breathing. that helps |
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| 18:39.09 | karl_w_w | http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=588125384550252&set=a.223098324386295.105971.205344452828349&type=1 |
| 18:39.36 | TC-work | Dat cat. |
| 18:39.45 | Dagmar | Dude got popped with stolen goods in his apartment, as well as checks, oh... and he was part of a little ring of people. |
| 18:40.03 | TC-work | better than being part of a ring of little people. |
| 18:40.16 | Dagmar | No better htan if I'd made him into a "person ring" |
| 18:40.31 | Dagmar | I *really* don't like bad people at my place of residence. |
| 18:42.16 | Dagmar | ...and I keep a sword literally within reach of the door. |
| 18:42.49 | TC-work | s/sword/gun/ |
| 18:43.27 | Dagmar | I could accidentally shoot a neighbor through a wall. |
| 18:44.34 | Lopeppeppy | I could deliberately shoot some of my neighbors... |
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| 18:48.50 | smcn | well, remote ah is up |
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| 18:52.31 | karl_w_w | oh awesome |
| 18:52.43 | karl_w_w | it's nearly hot cross bun season again already |
| 18:55.22 | TC-work | Dagmar: get frangibles |
| 18:58.38 | pompy1 | http://www.facebook.com/about/graphsearch/ |
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| 19:00.57 | Dagmar | TC-Work: They wouldn't have the same satisfaction as a yard-long piece of steel so sharp it can cut through Jehova's Witnesses arguments. |
| 19:02.22 | Dagmar | Plus I'm pretyt sure if I were to do the naked, sweating, and a bottle of Hershey's in one hand thing again, I'd wind up arrested and have to explain it to my neighbors |
| 19:02.27 | TC-work | Dagmar: Eh, considering what they do, I am fairly sure they can run faster than you. |
| 19:02.43 | Dagmar | Them running is fine. |
| 19:02.59 | Dagmar | I doubt they could run faster tho' |
| 19:03.08 | smcn | servers coming up |
| 19:03.22 | Dagmar | All they do is walk around, and I've been doing tons of that lately mysefl |
| 19:03.42 | TC-work | Well, you only see them walking, I'm sure they do running as well |
| 19:03.49 | Dagmar | You also really only need to get through to them _once_. |
| 19:04.09 | TC-work | s/to// |
| 19:04.18 | Dagmar | They're supposed to walk because it gives them time to contemplate the nature of godliness. |
| 19:04.23 | Dagmar | ...and they dont' get sweaty. |
| 19:04.54 | Dagmar | Occasionally they run because a naked man with a giant erection and a bottle of chocolate sauce in his hand just flung the door open and bellowed "WHAT?" |
| 19:05.13 | Dagmar | Moral: Don't knock on my damn doot at 8:30am on a Saturday. |
| 19:05.17 | Dagmar | s/doot/door/ |
| 19:05.17 | TC-work | Where the fuck do you live? |
| 19:05.23 | Dagmar | Nashville. |
| 19:05.30 | Dagmar | At the time, Antioch. |
| 19:05.48 | Dagmar | I was told they never came to that duplex again the entire time the next people lived there. |
| 19:05.52 | TC-work | I am so happy no one around here opens their door while naked |
| 19:06.16 | Dagmar | Dude this was the third Saturday in about as many weeks they'd come a 'knocking at 8:30 in the freakin morning |
| 19:07.16 | TC-work | You could always not answer the door |
| 19:07.48 | Dagmar | ...which means they'd just be knocking again in a week or two more, because it's what they do. |
| 19:07.55 | Dagmar | ...and it still wakes you up. |
| 19:08.08 | Dagmar | It's best to just make it clear they've entered the domain of Satan. |
| 19:08.13 | TC-work | It still wakes YOU up. |
| 19:08.24 | TC-work | I doubt it would wake me up |
| 19:08.29 | Unkle | I used to work nights, and different religious proselytizers would come by in my sleeping period and almost always ignored my "day sleeper" sign. To took to answering the door in my underpants and scratching myself until whomever it was decided they were too uncomfortable to stay. It took about a month or so, but the visits stopped. |
| 19:09.05 | Krapsy | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:09.12 | karl_w_w | <Dagmar> It's best to just make it clear they've entered the domain of Satan. <- JWs believe that the whole world is the domain of satan, apart from people who believe in their own special brand of religion |
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| 19:10.13 | Seerah | The last time they came to my door, my large scary sounding dog didn't frighten them away. I handed their pamphlet back to them and recommended they give it to someone else who would "get more out of it". That got them to leave. |
| 19:10.17 | Dagmar | karl_w_w: Yes, well, there's the extended neighborhood of Satan, and then there's his house. |
| 19:10.31 | karl_w_w | no difference |
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| 19:10.45 | karl_w_w | to them you are either being controlled by satan, or you are a JW |
| 19:10.50 | Dagmar | Which do you think that a cloistered conservative is going to think they're at when a beet red man with a giant erection answers the door? |
| 19:11.07 | Torhal|work | Someone years ago told me they put on a white glove, covered it in hairspray, and answered the door with a flaming hand. |
| 19:11.14 | Dagmar | I'm pretty sure they thought I was the very embodiment of Satan. I matched their pictures and everything. |
| 19:11.15 | Dagmar | :) |
| 19:11.22 | Unkle | I don't want to know how you managed that on cue. |
| 19:11.37 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 19:12.15 | Dagmar | They were knocking on my door at 8:30am on a freaking Saturday. My girlfriend and I were "busy" and they were interrupting. |
| 19:12.18 | Dagmar | AGAIN. |
| 19:12.34 | TC-work | I thought you said they were waking you up |
| 19:12.44 | TC-work | get your story straight |
| 19:12.48 | Dagmar | I was being polite. |
| 19:12.59 | Kaylin | most of my stories are pretty gay tbqh. |
| 19:13.09 | Kaylin | (the q stands for queer) |
| 19:13.24 | TC-work | Well the fact that you stopped what you were doing to answer the door says something though.... |
| 19:13.38 | Mr_Rabies | i bet string emil doesn't get a lot of solicitors |
| 19:13.46 | karl_w_w | and they have to do the whole door knocking thing btw :P if they don't do their bit they get shunned by every1 including their family, and considering that they don't have any skills to survive in the real world (esp. the women), that's not really an option |
| 19:14.46 | Unkle | Dagmar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2bIeSbK61Q |
| 19:15.26 | Dagmar | Tc-Work: Some problems need to be handled because old ladies knocking at the door can kill a mood |
| 19:16.00 | Dagmar | Unkle: Hand on the button? Yeha. Hehe |
| 19:16.47 | Unkle | One of the best parodies ever. |
| 19:16.51 | TC-work | Dagmar: Learn to use that do your advantage. If such a thing occurs yell out things like: "God i love sheep" and "Mom you feel amazing", etc. |
| 19:17.01 | Krapsy | ... |
| 19:17.27 | Dagmar | Nah man... These old biddies practically turned into spinning hairpins |
| 19:17.39 | Dagmar | My off-the-cuff (lol) solution was quick and effective |
| 19:18.06 | Dagmar | They'd had plenty of warning |
| 19:29.35 | Arrowmaster | do banks just like labeling their credit cards as platinum cards for no reason? |
| 19:29.48 | Arrowmaster | just noticed my new debit card says platinum on it |
| 19:30.00 | Unkle | Positioning. It makes you think that it's a better card. |
| 19:30.21 | Arrowmaster | all my cards are platinum cards.... |
| 19:30.46 | kd3 | platinum is the new regular |
| 19:31.02 | Dagmar | It's so you'll whip out your platinum card to try to impress the poor girl at the register, because that's how shallow your life has become |
| 19:31.09 | VIad | anyone want? http://i50.tinypic.com/dqlvte.jpg |
| 19:31.40 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 19:31.53 | VIad | giving away all 13 for 1 curse point |
| 19:31.54 | VIad | :P |
| 19:32.09 | Arrowmaster | go through the steam wowuidev group and figure out who doesnt already have it |
| 19:32.25 | Gnarfoz | how can anyone not have this |
| 19:32.26 | VIad | we have a steam group? |
| 19:32.42 | Gnarfoz | what are steam groups? :D |
| 19:32.53 | VIad | also FYI I got my first two invites from two different forums with random lottery - talk about luck |
| 19:33.08 | VIad | like over 10k people wanting one of 100 invites and I got one in each drawing :P |
| 19:33.14 | Gnarfoz | I only start Steam twice a year, to update before the biannual LAN party |
| 19:33.40 | Arrowmaster | http://steamcommunity.com/groups/wowuidev |
| 19:34.41 | Gnarfoz | I cannot gift them to China! :@ |
| 19:36.19 | VIad | woot woot joining the group! |
| 19:37.10 | Maldivia | the group ins't that big :P |
| 19:37.48 | VIad | 46 people |
| 19:37.57 | VIad | even cogwheel is there |
| 19:38.08 | VIad | last online top: cairenn with 1185 days ago |
| 19:38.38 | EthanCentaurai | was Steam even around back then O_o |
| 19:38.43 | VIad | ofc lol |
| 19:38.54 | VIad | steam is from like, 2005 ish? or 4 |
| 19:39.01 | VIad | it's not new, just was more "hidden" before |
| 19:39.07 | Arrowmaster | older |
| 19:39.08 | VIad | was in the alpha or beta back in the days |
| 19:39.14 | VIad | was only counter strike to begin with lol :P |
| 19:39.15 | Maldivia | 2003 |
| 19:39.30 | Arrowmaster | some of us have 8 and 9 year old accounts |
| 19:39.42 | VIad | my account is so old the username is the e-mail |
| 19:39.45 | Arrowmaster | actually i think i have an 8 and a 9 year old account |
| 19:39.47 | VIad | back then you used your e-mail to login :P |
| 19:40.05 | VIad | it's even an e-mail I no longer have lol |
| 19:40.24 | Arrowmaster | yeah my first account is from back then, then i created a new account when HL2 was first released and they offered everything i already owned on steam as part of the big box for it |
| 19:41.33 | TC-work | Anyone know how keep a program on the desktop you launched it from if you switch desktops while it is still loading in KDE? |
| 19:41.57 | Primer | devilspie |
| 19:41.58 | Dagmar | You can't. |
| 19:41.58 | Gnarfoz | anyone know if I need to reboot after uninstalling WinDbg to make it stop being registered as the system wide default debugger? |
| 19:42.32 | Dagmar | You can bind it to _a specific_ desktop with devilspie and a few other mechanisms, but as to the desktop the window which doesn't exist yet hasn't spawned on yet? Good luck |
| 19:43.56 | Maldivia | VIad: why so many gifts? |
| 19:44.09 | TC-work | You would think that it could remember where it was spawning from.... |
| 19:44.30 | VIad | don't know, steam just gives them to me! |
| 19:45.05 | Arrowmaster | do you play dota2? |
| 19:45.15 | VIad | I played more when my friends played |
| 19:45.20 | VIad | if people want to play I wouldn't mind :P |
| 19:45.25 | Arrowmaster | i think you only get them if you actually play the game |
| 19:45.45 | VIad | I have played more before, like during the summer :P |
| 19:45.49 | VIad | since much less |
| 19:46.03 | Arrowmaster | ive owned it since they first started giving out gifts like that and have never played it, and never had any gifts to give away |
| 19:46.40 | Dagmar | Tc-work: The showstopper is sort of that it doesn't exist yet. There's no way to easily reference it as a specific instantation. |
| 19:46.52 | VIad | I got 271 hours dota |
| 19:46.54 | VIad | if that helps :P |
| 19:47.05 | TC-work | Dagmar: but KDE has the ability built in to always have it launch on a specific desktop |
| 19:47.11 | VIad | it's actually the game I played most |
| 19:47.30 | VIad | but it's more slow paced, for instance mw2/3 games last 10-15 minutes while dota lasts 45-60 min so :P |
| 19:48.08 | Dagmar | TC-work: Yes, a _specific_ desktop... not necessarily the one you were just launching something from. |
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| 19:48.45 | Dagmar | There may be a global setting somewhere in there but if it is I've not seen it in years. |
| 19:48.52 | Dagmar | I just generally detest pointless splash screens now. |
| 19:51.19 | TC-work | I wonder if that is an optional arg |
| 19:51.40 | TC-work | like frefox -desktop=1 |
| 19:53.26 | VIad | this is funny, new motherboards come with wifi :P |
| 19:53.38 | Dagmar | It's a damn relief |
| 19:53.52 | VIad | first time I see it tbh |
| 19:55.59 | bleeter | g'morn(ugt)! |
| 19:56.50 | bleeter | God I love BlizzardLand, where 460+16 > 500 and 10 + 10 = 10 woots |
| 19:57.37 | bleeter | VIad: not overly keey with wifi on the mobo, unless it's a changable module (which I've yet to see on any) |
| 19:57.48 | bleeter | *keen |
| 19:57.56 | VIad | my current board has no wifi, and I have no wifi card |
| 19:58.03 | VIad | I use ethernet because I like high speeds :P |
| 19:58.06 | Maldivia | bleeter: funny math there :) |
| 19:58.13 | VIad | also what's up with the blizzardland math? |
| 19:58.20 | Primer | TC-work: devilspie |
| 19:58.24 | Primer | best program ever |
| 19:59.10 | VIad | why doesn't android support themes natively? |
| 19:59.12 | bleeter | VIad: the first is upgrading lowest level gear is a threat to 5.2 tier, the second relates to weather beaten fishing hat and fishing buffs |
| 19:59.20 | VIad | lol :P |
| 19:59.40 | durcyn | bleeter: they merged a few of the enchants in 5.0 and didn't bother to tell anyone |
| 19:59.41 | VIad | do you need the fishing buffs anymore? |
| 19:59.47 | kd3 | yes |
| 20:00.00 | bleeter | yes, still need the fishing buffs |
| 20:00.05 | kd3 | fishing in the vale requires 825 |
| 20:00.12 | kd3 | that's tough to get from fishing skill alone |
| 20:00.21 | VIad | yeah, I just fish regardless |
| 20:00.24 | bleeter | still also waiting for mechanic for fishing warriors to be able to change from fishing stick to weapons in combat |
| 20:00.32 | VIad | but I don't fish that much, it's boring, hence why I didn't notice ;p |
| 20:00.34 | bleeter | and rogues |
| 20:00.39 | bleeter | 'coz that's just so cruel >< |
| 20:00.39 | durcyn | bleeter: lines and boots no longer stack, for example |
| 20:01.13 | bleeter | durcyn: are you sure they're merged and not just broken? tooltips remain, etc. |
| 20:01.34 | durcyn | intentional or not, it happened |
| 20:01.44 | bleeter | yar, blizzland maths :D |
| 20:02.34 | durcyn | nevermind the fucking RMT ads, http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/504-fishing-changes-to-which-fishing-bonuses-stack-affects-fishing-gear |
| 20:04.38 | VIad | is it true that SSD breaks down after too many RW cycles and last ~10 years? |
| 20:05.08 | bleeter | durcyn: cheers :) I do like the GM response 'It's working, but we can't tell you how', given the confusing tooltips I'm pretty sure that's GM speak for 'The devs say it's fine but we in GM still have nfi' |
| 20:05.49 | bleeter | VIad: yes |
| 20:06.04 | VIad | normal harddrives last "forever" |
| 20:06.27 | TC-work | Primer: looks like it's gnome.... |
| 20:06.29 | VIad | if I keep my SSD RW all the time as much as it can, will it last ~10 years? |
| 20:06.37 | VIad | or did they say 10 years for "normal" usage |
| 20:06.51 | bleeter | VIad: how long is a piece of string? |
| 20:07.42 | VIad | I am just curious if they base their math on theoretical minimum, or a random "average" just to make it appear to last longer on the package, so they could write 10 years :P |
| 20:09.49 | Primer | TC-work: hrmm? |
| 20:09.57 | Primer | devilspie just runs |
| 20:10.01 | Primer | no gnome, no KDE |
| 20:10.12 | Primer | I use openbox, btw...no gnome or KDE |
| 20:10.22 | bleeter | VIad: they're *probably* comparing to an average home user (or, if you like, average basic office computer doing a bit of web browsing, word processing etc.) |
| 20:10.33 | VIad | yeah |
| 20:10.38 | VIad | “The drive will have a minimum of 5 years of useful life under typical client workloads with up to 20 GB host writes per day.” |
| 20:10.40 | bleeter | VIad: it's like 'lifetime guarantee' - whose lifetime are we talking about? |
| 20:10.53 | VIad | it's a marketing thing yes |
| 20:10.56 | VIad | but theoretically |
| 20:11.06 | VIad | can you break your SSD with a bruteforce RW? :P |
| 20:11.09 | bleeter | VIad: (usually the average 'lifetime' of the device as measured by the manufacturer) |
| 20:11.10 | VIad | i.e. RW all the time lol |
| 20:11.17 | bleeter | VIad: yes, NAND gets that way |
| 20:11.22 | VIad | wonder how quickly you can use up a SSD |
| 20:11.52 | bleeter | in theory, I believe you can seriously fuck them up with encrypted raid setups |
| 20:12.02 | VIad | or defragmentation? |
| 20:12.15 | VIad | or they have safety features to disallow actions that can harm it? |
| 20:12.27 | bleeter | nah, fragmentation etc. is (iirc) usually handled by the drive's own firmware and is completely invisible to host OS |
| 20:12.44 | VIad | windows can do a defragmentation |
| 20:12.52 | VIad | does the program do it or it asks the firmware to? |
| 20:13.03 | VIad | I have a feeling that the OS does it :P |
| 20:13.04 | bleeter | windows can boot to a login screen, doesn't make it right! |
| 20:13.32 | durcyn | it's just a block device, it doesn't talk filesystems and you wouldn't want it to |
| 20:13.56 | kd3 | heh. the governator was on reddit today |
| 20:14.18 | VIad | no, but it must emulate a HDD no? |
| 20:14.24 | VIad | otherwise machines wouldn't be able to talk to it :P |
| 20:14.32 | durcyn | which is also just a block device. |
| 20:14.33 | VIad | old OS that don't know what SSD is and such |
| 20:14.41 | bleeter | they emulate HDD's on systems that don't know about SSDs |
| 20:14.42 | durcyn | it's not emulating anything, this is all part of the ATA protocol |
| 20:14.47 | kd3 | old os'es don't have to... as long as it implements ATA |
| 20:15.01 | VIad | I mean't it must use the same protocol as HDD yes |
| 20:15.03 | bleeter | thanks for putting it better than I, durcyn kd3 |
| 20:15.31 | durcyn | the only thing that's relevant outside of the default ATA featureset is TRIM |
| 20:15.52 | VIad | when talking about ATA, is SATA2 and 3 compatible physically? |
| 20:16.06 | VIad | got a sata2 drive and wonder if I can transfer the files over to my future sata3 drive :p |
| 20:16.23 | kd3 | yes |
| 20:16.29 | durcyn | yes, the 1/2/3 business is just a speed rating |
| 20:16.41 | kd3 | 1.5/3/6mbit |
| 20:17.10 | durcyn | it's just futureproofing built into the spec, since drives/controllers capable of 3mbit didn't exist at the time |
| 20:17.17 | foxlit | millibits are tiny :) |
| 20:17.28 | bleeter | VIad: the WP TRIM article' not too bad covering SSDs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRIM Worth reading |
| 20:19.09 | bleeter | haha, what? OSX was the last major OS to get TRIM and it only works on Apple-supplied SSDs?! |
| 20:20.55 | durcyn | http://www.groths.org/?page_id=322 |
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| 20:25.51 | bleeter | would not be surprised if Apple's behaviour there is somewhat anti-competitive in some jurisdictions |
| 20:26.19 | bleeter | I shouldn't be amazed at their behaviour, though... |
| 20:26.35 | Dagmar | I'm amazed at their logic. |
| 20:27.05 | Dagmar | How does detecting a rapidly increasing amount of written data increase the lifetime of the SSD? |
| 20:27.13 | durcyn | it's their operating system that runs on their hardware, they simply chose an overly conservative way of detecting if the drive supports trim |
| 20:27.26 | Dagmar | They must be a whole 'nother order of sooper-genius, because I don't follow that logic at all |
| 20:27.35 | durcyn | the hardon you people have for apple is comedic at times |
| 20:27.58 | durcyn | hate-on* |
| 20:28.31 | Unkle | It smells a lot like mid-90s hate for Microsoft, or mid-80s hate for Tandy. |
| 20:28.52 | Unkle | Or console wares. |
| 20:28.56 | Unkle | wars. |
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| 20:29.31 | Unkle | "My personal choice is obviously the best, and anyone who disagrees is stupid, churlish or both." |
| 20:31.46 | Nimhfree | So I have an addon that presents a panel. It has a keybinding to call a routine to toggle the panel with Hide() and Show(). However, in combat Hide() fails because runtime complains about protected function. Note that I can close the panel in combat by using the mouse to click on the close button in top right corner. So I get the brilliant idea to change my routine to check whether in combat and if so, instead of calling Hide() I call Click() on th |
| 20:31.46 | Nimhfree | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:32.10 | bleeter | Nimhfree: your first line got chopped around 'and if so, instead' |
| 20:32.38 | foxlit | Nimhfree: no. :Click() will not save you. |
| 20:32.59 | Nimhfree | and if so, instead of calling Hide() I call Click() on the close button. It turns out this does not work. Any suggestions? |
| 20:33.30 | foxlit | Can you avoid getting your panel protected in the first place? |
| 20:33.39 | foxlit | (what's in it, or anchored to it?) |
| 20:34.05 | bleeter | Unkle: no, it's more 'US consumer law is the best and we don't give a shit what the highest courts in your country have decided consumers have a right to' |
| 20:35.05 | VIad | bleeter: I mean't if you run a forced defrag ATA style |
| 20:35.10 | durcyn | bleeter: i still have more respect for apple than certain other vendors who use, say, encrypted bootloaders and TPM |
| 20:35.11 | VIad | wonder if it will break the SSD :P |
| 20:36.28 | bleeter | durcyn: I don't disagree with the statements that APple do make quality kit (or, source qualty kit from elsewhere) |
| 20:37.10 | Nimhfree | The reason the panel is protected is because it has a bunch of buttons that inherit from SecureActionButtonTemplate because I want to dynamically set their macro values. |
| 20:37.26 | Dagmar | Of course a large, captive workforce goes good work. Just look at the pyramids. |
| 20:37.50 | Semlar | they're falling apart |
| 20:38.07 | durcyn | bleeter: also, open source contributions should count for something imo. webkit, cups, etc? just because some feature in their OS requires a bit of fiddling to make it work in an unsupported way (but CAN be made to work) is no reason to decry them |
| 20:38.08 | bleeter | VIad: quite possibly, but I believe there are much better ways to break an SSD eg http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-520-sandforce-review-benchmark,3124-11.html |
| 20:38.10 | Dagmar | No, they're still there and their warranty expired hundreds of years ago. |
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| 20:38.57 | Dagmar | A little surface wear and tear is to be expected under those conditions and so many years. |
| 20:41.49 | VIad | thanks for the interesting article, bleeter |
| 20:42.24 | foxlit | Nimhfree: if you can't move those buttons elsewhere, your need to implement the close button through SecureHandlerClickTemplate. Your keybinding would need to click that. |
| 20:42.45 | bleeter | durcyn: contribution to open source what? no, contributing to project a, which (for arguments sake) is a public benefit does not give an automatice get out of gaol free card for breaking statutory rights on project b |
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| 20:43.29 | Nimhfree | foxlit: thanks...will try that |
| 20:43.53 | bleeter | durcyn: otherwise, I'd make a donation to Red Cross then go around killing people and expect to get away with it (as an extreme example ;) |
| 20:44.12 | foxlit | (mind you, not through :Click() from your own code -- use SetBindingClick or similar functions) |
| 20:46.13 | Unkle | Hey cogwheel - you just netted me a bottle of nice Spanish red... |
| 20:47.12 | bleeter | spanish red? ewwww! |
| 20:47.42 | Unkle | Working in wine country has its perks. |
| 20:48.01 | Cairenn | Only if you actually like wine to begin with |
| 20:48.16 | Cairenn | and only if it doesn't trigger migraines |
| 20:48.39 | Cairenn | Just putting that out there. ;) :p |
| 20:48.47 | bleeter | Unkle: I live in Tasmania. 2/3 of the island is wine country |
| 20:48.50 | Unkle | It's booze. I mean, it's no scotch or Irish whiskey - but ... it is tasty with dinner. |
| 20:49.00 | Cairenn | meh |
| 20:49.02 | Unkle | the other 1/3rd is sheep |
| 20:49.04 | Nimhfree | i thought 2/3 of the island was on fire |
| 20:49.04 | bleeter | faints |
| 20:49.16 | Maldivia | so 1/3 dinner, 2/3 wine |
| 20:49.16 | bleeter | Unkle knows the difference bgetween scotch and irish whiskey |
| 20:49.26 | bleeter | Unkle: nah, 1/3 is impassable mountains |
| 20:50.06 | Unkle | bleeter: I love scotch. But it has to be pretty good scotch. Most places sell crap. |
| 20:50.12 | durcyn | bleeter: reductio ad absurdum :( |
| 20:50.13 | bleeter | like where the main fire was last week was where the british empire sent 'the worst of the worst' because there was only one road in and out and it's about 10 yards across |
| 20:50.46 | bleeter | but if you re-offended again down there, they sent you to the coastline over this other 1/3 of the state |
| 20:51.16 | bleeter | only one person ever escaped from there, he did it twice. both times he survived by eating his co-escapees. |
| 20:51.25 | Cairenn | ewwww |
| 20:51.42 | Nimhfree | can you get Laphroig down there? |
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| 20:52.42 | Unkle | I can get it here. But it's too pricey for regular drinking. |
| 20:52.44 | durcyn | he said *good* scotch =P |
| 20:53.02 | Nimhfree | Laphroig is strong. you need to like peat :-) |
| 20:53.07 | bleeter | Nimhfree: yeah, though some of the tassie whiskies are pretty kick arse too - http://www.google.com.au/search?q=tasmanian+whisky |
| 20:53.11 | Dagmar | yeah the kind that comes with a screw-top, not in a box. |
| 20:53.12 | Unkle | I like a peaty scotch. |
| 20:53.25 | bleeter | think it was the lark that one some serious major gold medal last year |
| 20:53.34 | bleeter | *that won some... |
| 20:53.50 | Nimhfree | URL: http://www.larkdistillery.com.au/ |
| 20:53.51 | Nimhfree | Block reason: Forbidden Category "Alcohol/Tobacco" |
| 20:53.55 | Nimhfree | :-) |
| 20:54.04 | bleeter | my personal fave, tho http://www.hellyersroaddistillery.com.au/ |
| 20:54.29 | bleeter | tassie vodka ain't bad either =) |
| 20:56.56 | Unkle | Lark has only one distributor in the US. Small batches indeed. |
| 20:58.34 | bleeter | Unkle: these guys are my 'local' fave bottle shop http://www.coolwine.com.au/ they can get all the good stuff dunno about intl shipping but you can email and ask :) |
| 20:59.15 | kd3 | bah |
| 20:59.24 | bleeter | mooh |
| 20:59.26 | kd3 | I burn a bonus roll and get a third copy of a trinket that's unique-equipped |
| 20:59.34 | bleeter | haha |
| 20:59.53 | bleeter | kd3: there should be some achievement for that kinda stuff |
| 21:00.08 | kd3 | like the collector achievements for archaeology? |
| 21:00.10 | kd3 | winces |
| 21:00.28 | bleeter | there should also be an account wide achievement for looting 28g50s 2850 times |
| 21:00.54 | Maldivia | this is damn cute to watch - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToTVFEHZhX4 |
| 21:03.23 | kd3 | hahaha; "I would choose the 1 Predator sized duck instead of dealing with 100 duck-sized Predators. I've already fought a Predator-sized Predator so I am confident I could handle the duck." |
| 21:04.47 | bleeter | haha |
| 21:09.00 | bleeter | 100 duck sized predators could be tricky http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/4451154-3x2-940x627.jpg |
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| 21:35.04 | Mr_Rabies | lol this guy's whining about offtopic conversation in trade chat |
| 21:35.08 | Mr_Rabies | by cursing like a sailor |
| 21:35.22 | Mr_Rabies | the irony is amazing |
| 21:35.31 | Maldivia | is there any other way to curse? |
| 21:35.52 | Mr_Rabies | you could curse like a warlock |
| 21:36.06 | Mr_Rabies | if i ever make a fantasy world warlocks will curse people by curing |
| 21:36.10 | Mr_Rabies | er, cursing |
| 21:36.34 | Mr_Rabies | $%*@ YOU, MAN |
| 21:36.36 | Lopeppeppy | Coldfire trilogy - CS Friedman. |
| 21:36.46 | Mr_Rabies | AGH I HAVE BEEN AFFLICTED AND NOW I SHALL DIE |
| 21:37.45 | mikma | ben affleck? |
| 21:38.43 | Unkle | And Christopher Stascheff had a book where cursing was really cursing. |
| 21:39.43 | alestane | I think I remember something of his that was not part of The Warlock in Spite of Himself. |
| 21:40.50 | Unkle | Yeah, I'm blanking on the title, but it was another shorter series. 2 books maybe. About a college student with a love for poetry finds himself as a hero in a fantasy setting. |
| 21:42.50 | mikma | twilight? |
| 21:49.23 | Lopeppeppy | No, she's in high school. |
| 21:50.48 | Mr_Rabies | no one ever got my matt damonology and ben afflecktion spec warlock jokes, mikma :( |
| 21:52.38 | durcyn | we had a warlock named mattdaemon once, everyone -got- the joke, it just wasn't funny. |
| 21:53.27 | bleeter | durcyn: back to the fishing thing, maybe pat nagle's been too drunk to notice ;) |
| 21:53.55 | durcyn | bleeter: i think someone at blizzard just tried to get cute with the stacking and it's so unimportant that it was left off the patch notes, and/or is actually a bug |
| 21:54.19 | durcyn | the guy who compiles said notes has already admitted to leaving off useful things |
| 21:55.31 | bleeter | aye |
| 21:55.36 | bleeter | haha http://starwarsblog.starwars.com/index.php/2013/01/15/planet-earth-abandons-death-star-project-in-face-of-superior-galactic-imperial-power/ |
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| 22:02.33 | zenzelezz | http://i.qkme.me/3skrq9.jpg I so do that |
| 22:03.22 | bleeter | durcyn: due to tooltips not changing, it smells far more of an unintended side-effect of some associated (chant?) mechanic change. |
| 22:03.25 | Mr_Rabies | i always preferred using environmental objects to kill people in the hitman games |
| 22:03.54 | Mr_Rabies | like replacing the prop pistol with a real one in the theater level of blood money |
| 22:03.57 | Mr_Rabies | :D |
| 22:04.03 | zenzelezz | Mr_Rabies: I found in the later games it depends a lot on the mission; but yeah |
| 22:04.16 | zenzelezz | love when I do that unexpectedly |
| 22:04.17 | Mr_Rabies | and then dropping the chandelier on the other target |
| 22:04.24 | Mr_Rabies | as he runs out to the guy that just died |
| 22:04.27 | zenzelezz | I don't like those, they're too "obvious" |
| 22:05.09 | zenzelezz | in the... second? mission in Absolution, the first Asian location, I remember interacting with an item I didn't think any more of, until it triggered a highly unexpected turn of events |
| 22:05.11 | zenzelezz | loved that |
| 22:05.35 | Mr_Rabies | rigging the bbq grill to explode on the mission with the guy with fbi bodyguards |
| 22:06.01 | Mr_Rabies | i love those |
| 22:06.07 | Mr_Rabies | i try to go as ghost as possible |
| 22:06.36 | Mr_Rabies | knock out non-targets that have stuff i need without being seen in the first place, then killing the target without any suspicion |
| 22:07.17 | zenzelezz | I'm still slowly working my way through Absolution... exclusively on the hardest difficulty |
| 22:07.53 | Mr_Rabies | i've only really played blood money to any real extent |
| 22:08.13 | Mr_Rabies | i played the older games a little |
| 22:08.35 | Mr_Rabies | i heard absolution was more run and gun so it didn't really interest me |
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| 22:10.03 | zenzelezz | Mr_Rabies: personally I don't find Absolution so far to be run-and-gun, but I could see how people find it that way |
| 22:10.16 | Arrowmaster | the only one ive ever really played was 2 |
| 22:10.23 | zenzelezz | 2 is great |
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| 22:10.47 | Arrowmaster | getting silent assassin in 2 was rewarding |
| 22:10.49 | zenzelezz | I think I'd rank them 1 < 3 < 2 < 4/5 (need to finish 5 before I can really compare them) |
| 22:13.03 | zenzelezz | as to getting a silent assassin rating, as I always aim... www.quickmeme.com/meme/3sju4b/ |
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| 22:13.38 | Neffi | Anyone know of a LiveCD distro with a recent kernel, and Wine and NTFS support? |
| 22:13.59 | Neffi | I want to test how well WoW runs under Linux |
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| 22:14.32 | durcyn | Neffi: uhh, possibly http://www.sysresccd.org/, not sure about the WINE bit. |
| 22:15.00 | Neffi | yeah that part is hard to find, but if it supports installing stuff in the live env that's fine |
| 22:15.26 | durcyn | it's gentoo based, so good luck =P |
| 22:15.32 | Dagmar | Neffi: You're going to have *shit* performance without it being on a "real" disk |
| 22:15.51 | Dagmar | It would probably be simpler to just shave off 25Gb of disk somewhere and do a disposable Ubuntu install |
| 22:15.53 | durcyn | Dagmar: sysresccd has the option to load the entire ISO into ramdisk, is why i mentioned it in the first place |
| 22:15.59 | Neffi | Yes but I can see if it functions with my hardware |
| 22:16.20 | Neffi | The drivers are mature so I'm not worried about performance |
| 22:16.39 | Dagmar | If you have an nVidia or ATI video card, it should work |
| 22:16.41 | bleeter | Neffi: kd3 and I play WoW with Wine under Fedora 17. Works great, as long as running nvidia vendor gfx driver |
| 22:16.57 | Neffi | Using Sandy Bridge graphics |
| 22:17.07 | Dagmar | I'm not sure about the sanity of a live CD with WINE on it |
| 22:17.07 | bleeter | oh that too, sorry |
| 22:17.28 | Arrowmaster | you arent going to find wine on any popular livecd |
| 22:17.32 | bleeter | not a live CD, but a fast USB3 memory stick |
| 22:18.02 | Neffi | Fuck it. I'll just go ahead with the install. If WoW doesn't work, then I've got a Windows install disc around here somehwere. |
| 22:18.23 | Dagmar | WINE actually works okay after an occasional bit of coddling |
| 22:18.35 | Neffi | so I've heard. I'm always iffy about it |
| 22:18.56 | Neffi | Anyway, off to format my HD and install Linux. G'day. |
| 22:18.57 | bleeter | it's heaps better these days compared to last decade |
| 22:19.00 | Dagmar | The bigger problem most people face is by far ATI video drivers, which tend to be rage-inducing on the best of days |
| 22:19.22 | Neffi | Yeah I just installed an Ubuntu derivative on a friend's laptop, and the ATi drivers are less than stellar |
| 22:19.32 | Dagmar | nVidia has been showing them up under Linux for some time now |
| 22:19.32 | Neffi | I know better than to even try with an ATi card |
| 22:19.57 | Neffi | alright. g'day all |
| 22:19.59 | Dagmar | The worst you have to deal with there is occasionally forcibly disabling nouveau |
| 22:20.18 | Dagmar | It is not ready to replace the proprietary driver in all cases yet. |
| 22:20.32 | Arrowmaster | you should never have to deal with that, your distros packages for the nvidia drivers should do that automatically |
| 22:20.45 | bleeter | I suspect Neffi isn't an Aussie because of the incorrect usage of "g'day" |
| 22:20.53 | Dagmar | Yeah you say this and i still have to beat it out of Ubuntu with a stick half the time |
| 22:21.04 | bleeter | or is an aussie but has been o/s for way too long |
| 22:21.05 | Arrowmaster | and you should never install the nvidia drivers from the .run downloaded from nvidia.com |
| 22:21.22 | Dagmar | Ya do if you're using Slackware. |
| 22:21.33 | Dagmar | THeir installer is pretty tidy tho |
| 22:21.39 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: yeah Adys had issues in ubuntu with that, fuck tard package maintainer put a symlink in /etc/modules.d instead of a file |
| 22:21.54 | Dagmar | Provided you've got kernel source and the config matches it, I've never had it fail to build |
| 22:22.09 | Arrowmaster | a symlink to /usr, and then when told how fucking stupid that is changed it to a symlink to /lib i think |
| 22:22.15 | Dagmar | ugh |
| 22:22.37 | Dagmar | At least /lib is generally guaranteed to be around when / is mounted. |
| 22:22.45 | Arrowmaster | it has to be |
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| 22:22.53 | Dagmar | The _real_ /, not the rootfs one |
| 22:23.10 | Dagmar | It has to be because of the way most distros are built |
| 22:23.15 | bleeter | ahh, yes. nvidia drivers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_36yNWw_07g |
| 22:23.19 | Dagmar | I've had to cobble one up with enough static bins to handle that |
| 22:23.23 | Arrowmaster | right, but if it was just a simple file in /etc instead of a symlink it would be in the initrd wouldnt it |
| 22:24.01 | Dagmar | ...although Wine was just about miles away from what that box was being used for |
| 22:24.11 | Dagmar | I needed to spin up 40 VMs at once |
| 22:24.27 | Dagmar | I was like "f**k having the entire filesystem cloned over and over" |
| 22:24.52 | Dagmar | It was nfs-mounting /usr time |
| 22:27.06 | bleeter | for those who've missed it, apparently this is doing the rounds http://kotaku.com/5975610/the-exceptional-beauty-of-doom-3s-source-code |
| 22:27.25 | Dagmar | I'll get the tissues |
| 22:29.13 | Dagmar | Hmm.. the article is pretty good although I disagree with his views on comments slightly |
| 22:29.30 | Dagmar | Give that guy 10 more years and he'll probably be agreeing with me. |
| 22:29.51 | Dagmar | I am totally down with the atomicness of functions tho' |
| 22:30.42 | Dagmar | All of this from having to debug/modify applications that I had no idea what they were doing internally. |
| 22:30.52 | bleeter | Dagmar: he's at least correct in that http://img.gawkerassets.com/post/9/2013/01/figure2-cropped.png is bullshit way to comment code |
| 22:31.00 | Dagmar | If the comments don't explain what a function is supposed to do, all you can hope for is that they do what they're supposed to do |
| 22:31.34 | Dagmar | bleeter: yeah because the comments don't explain anything useful |
| 22:31.45 | Arrowmaster | bleeter: thats the kinda stuff you get from a programming class when the teacher says 'everything must be commented' and then marks you down for not doing that shit |
| 22:32.08 | Dagmar | If the comments don't say what a function is supposed to do in plain English then you've no way of knowing if they're doing the correct thing... the best you can determine is what the code is doing, wrong or not. |
| 22:32.19 | bleeter | Dagmar: not so much that, moreso that there are two wasted line and the comment itself is repeated |
| 22:32.41 | bleeter | i'm with the author on wasting lines because of scrolling |
| 22:32.43 | Dagmar | bleeter: I am more concerned about "return val" needing explaining |
| 22:32.57 | bleeter | Dagmar: I think that was prob for demonstrative purposes :P |
| 22:32.59 | Arrowmaster | im more concerned about val being a variable name |
| 22:33.15 | Dagmar | Yeah death to i |
| 22:33.48 | Dagmar | I'll kill off wasted lines wiht a quickness becuase if i have to scroll around a window to see a whole function, I'm more likely to miss something |
| 22:33.51 | bleeter | still, I would show that article to internees and new hires without hesitation |
| 22:34.33 | bleeter | a fair amount of it is stuff one learns on the gig, not at the desk |
| 22:34.39 | bleeter | *schooldesk |
| 22:35.09 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 22:35.32 | bleeter | which shits me to tears 'coz you end up repeating the same bloody stuff every 6 months |
| 22:35.56 | Dagmar | I had to be beaten upside the head with 10 million lines of uncommented perl before I unlearned a lot of unuseful practices |
| 22:36.05 | Dagmar | That number is not an exaggeration. |
| 22:36.30 | Dagmar | My edits to the codebase were a negative number of lines for about a month straight. |
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| 22:38.01 | Dagmar | Killing off redundancies, removing vestigial functions, reorganizing things into a coherent API, etc etc |
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| 23:02.16 | TC-work | "Other subs had better stear clear of the Dolgoruky as well, lest they meet one of a half dozen RPK-2 Viyuga missiles, firing underwater from a 533-mm torpedo tube at Mach .9. " Do they honestly not know what the hell a torpedo is? |
| 23:03.20 | Arrowmaster | maybe they really are missiles, dont torpedos have a propeller on them |
| 23:03.41 | TC-work | A torpedo is simply a water based missle |
| 23:03.54 | TC-work | missile* |
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| 23:04.28 | TC-work | 'self propelled and guided' is the defining characteristic more or less |
| 23:06.44 | Arrowmaster | yet every torpedo ever in movies seems to not be guided |
| 23:07.00 | bleeter | oops https://twitter.com/gmsmagazine/status/289387140582891520/photo/1 |
| 23:09.10 | zenzelezz | do they not have quality control in papers at all anymore? |
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| 23:15.21 | bleeter | wut https://twitter.com/bluemir/status/291318312493776897/photo/1/large |
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| 23:17.01 | zenzelezz | milk consumption in kg? Why not just use liters? |
| 23:17.29 | TC-work | Arrowmaster: Actually, most are, but they don't have the movement capability of missiles, friction blows. |
| 23:18.28 | bleeter | back to the Apple SSD thing, serious question time: "Do the Apple SSD's require Darwin kernel for TRIM like the kernel requires Apple SSD's for TRIM?" |
| 23:18.46 | Cairenn | Opinion poll: What do people think of Windows 8 vs Windows 7? Upgrade or not? |
| 23:19.17 | Cairenn | s/Up/Should I up/ |
| 23:19.18 | smcn | minesweeper achievements is the only reason i'd consider upgrading |
| 23:19.24 | durcyn | drivers are better, ui is worse |
| 23:19.29 | bleeter | Cairenn: keeping with the rule of taking every second release, I skipped Vista for 7. Thus, I'm skipping 8 for 9 |
| 23:19.46 | durcyn | metro isn't even a good touch ui, but it's infuriating with a mouse |
| 23:19.58 | alestane | No-one has told me they had a compelling reason to upgrade, and several have complained that 8's UI is too unnecessarily different. |
| 23:19.59 | bleeter | yeah I'ma wait for them to sort all that crap out |
| 23:20.22 | durcyn | that being said, if you dont' use any of microsoft's built in apps, you can pretty much ignore metro. |
| 23:21.16 | Unkle | I'm not pushing to 8 either at home or work. 7 is great for our current needs and doesn't require updates to some aging applications at use here. |
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| 23:22.12 | bleeter | if I was a workplace upgrading folks off XP, and there were phones etc. involved I'd certainly consider it. *BUT*.... |
| 23:22.29 | TC-work | I only don't have 8 installed because it wont let me upgrade, and i don't feel like reinstalling until i get a new system. |
| 23:22.32 | Mr_Rabies | 8's supposed to be really good for home theater pcs |
| 23:22.45 | bleeter | I see Win8 as MS's Cataclysm. The release they simply had to have because of so much legacy shit still around |
| 23:23.48 | cbreak | shit like ... actual windows |
| 23:23.53 | A-KO | uhm |
| 23:24.00 | cbreak | or a start button menu thing |
| 23:24.03 | A-KO | 8 has very little legacy shit in it still... |
| 23:24.09 | A-KO | but don't let the facts get in your way |
| 23:24.10 | A-KO | carry on |
| 23:24.11 | A-KO | :) |
| 23:24.24 | Mr_Rabies | that's what he's saying |
| 23:24.27 | cbreak | or windows xp emulation mode |
| 23:24.33 | Cairenn | That was the point, A-KO |
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| 23:28.47 | TC-work | Cairenn: I would buy it regardless since the cheap price is going to go away afaik |
| 23:29.05 | Cairenn | that's a good point, TC-work |
| 23:29.14 | durcyn | it's an ogg vorbis file, tabletennis, and they live in the MPQ archives |
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| 23:29.28 | bleeter | tabletennis: http://www.wowpedia.org/API_PlaySoundFile http://www.wowpedia.org/API_PlayMusic |
| 23:30.09 | bleeter | (though those pages refer to mp3 being default, I believe that changed in... TBC(?) to ogg) |
| 23:30.45 | bleeter | or there was some time when it was ogg on Win and mp3 on OSX, or vice versa... but yeah as durcyn says it's ogg these days |
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| 23:32.36 | bleeter | tabletennis: mpq is a proprietary archive format, a virtual filesystem kinda thing. |
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| 23:33.31 | bleeter | tabletennis: to play other music at end of BG, sure. Using the API as described above |
| 23:34.02 | bleeter | extracting files and/or using the ingame noises/music for stuff Blizz don't intend is... legally grey and probably best not discussed in this channel (that's just my 2c on that) |
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| 23:35.38 | TC-work | Turn off the sound XD |
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| 23:37.31 | Arrowmaster | find where it gets played in the default ui and write an addon to change it |
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| 23:40.13 | Unkle | There's no "copy/paste" way to do what you want in 5 minutes or less. |
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| 23:42.01 | Unkle | The /easiest/ way would be to get the sounds/art out of the UI and replicate the folder path in your WoW directory, then use replacement files with the same names. This is called using an "override file" - and it's probably the easiest way to do this without being a programmer. |
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| 23:44.47 | VIad | ugh this is a bit lame, as Pidgin will become less useful :( |
| 23:44.55 | VIad | "It's time to update Messenger to Skype!" |
| 23:45.02 | Unkle | To look inside the MPQ files you'll have to find a tool. |
| 23:45.08 | VIad | "We are retiring the existing Messenger service globally (except for mainland China where Messenger will continue to be available) and bringing the great features of Messenger and Skype together. Update to Skype and sign in using a Microsoft Account (same as your Messenger ID) and all your Messenger contacts will be at your fingertips." |
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| 23:45.47 | VIad | problem is; Skype doesn't allow you to have Pidgin and login to chat, they force you to use their Skype client and that is what is annoying, I'd like to consolidate IM programs, not have 3 different programs running :P |
| 23:46.44 | Unkle | VIad: Which means I'll probably lose touch with the (small) number of people I know who only use Messenger. |
| 23:46.50 | VIad | yeah |
| 23:47.00 | Unkle | I'm an AIM guy myself anyway. |
| 23:47.04 | Arrowmaster | VIad: they havent killed off the old way to connect to msn yet |
| 23:47.16 | Arrowmaster | Unkle: is that supposed to be a joke? |
| 23:47.16 | VIad | I know but I fear they will soon(tm) |
| 23:47.27 | Unkle | Arrowmaster: I worked on AIM. |
| 23:47.31 | Arrowmaster | i know |
| 23:47.56 | Unkle | But I use Pidgin to connect to it. :) |
| 23:48.07 | Arrowmaster | me too |
| 23:48.15 | VIad | I hope when msn is retired, that the skype plugin is upgraded to work without having skype to run |
| 23:48.31 | Arrowmaster | somehow i doubt that |
| 23:48.46 | VIad | I guess it's time to go off the grid then :P |
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| 23:48.53 | VIad | I refuse to keep skype running in the background |
| 23:48.56 | Arrowmaster | but also i get the impression they wont be killing off the old way to connect since the switch to skype is only in certain countries |
| 23:49.11 | VIad | you did read what I got in my mail from microsoft yes? |
| 23:49.22 | Arrowmaster | i got the mail a few days ago |
| 23:49.23 | VIad | "We are retiring the existing Messenger service globally (except for mainland China where Messenger will continue to be available)" |
| 23:50.08 | VIad | "So, what's happening after the retirement? Messenger users on desktops** will not be able to sign in and will only be able to upgrade to Skype. If you attempt to sign in, a notification will appear, and if you continue, you will be taken through our installer flow to install Skype and automatically uninstall Messenger at the same time." |
| 23:50.12 | Arrowmaster | i got the impression that ment "we will be removing any links to download messenger from all our sites except the china site" |
| 23:50.15 | Unkle | It's funny. I already have Skype accounts... but I never use it. |
| 23:50.41 | Arrowmaster | i have 2 skype accounts i created a very very long time ago but have never used |
| 23:50.48 | Arrowmaster | and i cant use them at the same time |
| 23:51.02 | VIad | I got skype too but never using it either, I dislike it because it uses direct to IP connection, I had a perioid where my internet was unstable and Skype started like 100 UDP connections that broke my network each time :P |
| 23:51.10 | VIad | fixed my net since then, but it's left like a scar in my memory |
| 23:51.25 | durcyn | a whole HUNDRED UDP CONNECTIONS? you poor thing. |
| 23:51.38 | VIad | my network got unstable when I reached like, 50 connections totally |
| 23:51.55 | VIad | you can spoof the people you talk with, their IP's I think :P |
| 23:52.01 | VIad | if I remember correctly that is |
| 23:52.05 | durcyn | and you're blaming an external service for your utter shit network equipment. |
| 23:52.19 | A-KO | with the ubiquitous nature of mobile devices and webcams, this is a good move on MS' part and is understandable. |
| 23:52.30 | VIad | except the login, the chatting and such is IP2IP |
| 23:52.47 | VIad | meaning they don't go trough the skype servers, only login and a list of your friends and such is sent over the skype server |
| 23:53.12 | durcyn | now you're singing a love song for NAT. |
| 23:53.16 | durcyn | just stop. |
| 23:53.24 | VIad | lol |
| 23:53.45 | VIad | I said I had a perioid with network problems and it was noticable Skype had bad effects in those days :P |
| 23:53.59 | VIad | period |
| 23:54.02 | durcyn | your assignment of blame is faulty. |
| 23:54.05 | durcyn | full stop. |
| 23:54.10 | VIad | lol I am not blaming anyone |
| 23:54.21 | VIad | just sharing a fun story + saying that skype uses peer to peer |
| 23:54.36 | VIad | durcyn are you on your monthly cycle perhaps? |
| 23:54.41 | cbreak | so? every tcp connection is peer to peer... |
| 23:54.53 | VIad | I mean skype is like a torrent :P |
| 23:55.00 | cbreak | not really. |
| 23:55.01 | VIad | direct connection to each of your friends |
| 23:55.05 | bleeter | VIad: fwiw, we're still not at all sure what MSN are doing. |
| 23:55.06 | cbreak | it transmits text, and sometimes audio |
| 23:55.09 | durcyn | no, but your misogynist insult is amusing? |
| 23:55.17 | cbreak | audio is real time data |
| 23:55.23 | cbreak | you can't burst it reasonably |
| 23:55.29 | bleeter | VIad: like, they renewed their login certs the other day... for two years. but if they're shutting down soon... etc. etc. |
| 23:55.33 | VIad | I think msn had a server in the middle, like wow, to handle your transmition |
| 23:55.42 | bleeter | also |
| 23:55.53 | bleeter | there's the bullshit still going on with MSN/XMPP/Skype stuff |
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| 23:56.12 | Arrowmaster | oh yeah didnt they have a beta XMPP server up? |
| 23:56.23 | bleeter | where it retransmits messages 'at random', I can't recall the specifics but the guy who does the skype/steam plugins for pidgin knows all about it |
| 23:56.42 | Arrowmaster | theres a steam plugin for pidgin? |
| 23:56.47 | bleeter | and we're all 'meh, screwit... until it happens... serve people right for using closed protocols' |
| 23:56.48 | zenzelezz | I was just about to ask the same |
| 23:56.59 | VIad | I think there is a steam plugin for pidgin |
| 23:57.10 | cbreak | skype is a pile of garbage. |
| 23:57.13 | bleeter | https://code.google.com/p/pidgin-opensteamworks/ |
| 23:57.20 | zenzelezz | I wish I could convert my friends to XMPP. Will be interesting to see how it goes when the MSN client is killed and they "have to" go Skype |
| 23:57.25 | VIad | I dislike skype for not being minimalistic like pidgin myself :p |
| 23:57.47 | cbreak | crappy ui, crappy portability, resource hog, a gigantic lack of features |
| 23:57.50 | VIad | also when making calls it feels the urge to go in this conference mode, kind of useless for my use |
| 23:57.55 | Arrowmaster | the only thing i ever use msn for is the xbox ambassador bot |
| 23:58.02 | bleeter | eionrobb (aka BigBrownChunx) has a bunch of other crazy Pidgin projects, check his google project page out |
| 23:58.13 | Arrowmaster | but because the only other way to access xbox ambassador stuff is through silverlight, im stuck with msn |
| 23:58.34 | bleeter | just don't come hassling us in #pidgin for support! (hassle eionrobb direct via #guifications 'coz that's where the #pidgin folks who can't handle users hang out ;) |
| 23:58.59 | durcyn | bleeter: siccing this kid on them isn't going to make you any friends. |
| 23:59.04 | Arrowmaster | bleeter: is gfire still the only xfire plugin? |
| 23:59.19 | bleeter | Arrowmaster: no idea |
| 23:59.31 | Arrowmaster | it was fucking terrible last time i used it |
