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| 00:06.19 | Semlar|Laptop | http://i.imgur.com/Kg8AT.jpg |
| 00:08.57 | foxlit | why? |
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| 00:09.13 | Semlar|Laptop | because i gotta |
| 00:09.16 | foxlit | why? |
| 00:10.11 | Semlar|Laptop | we've been over this |
| 00:10.30 | foxlit | And you're sure you reached the correct conclusion? |
| 00:10.51 | Semlar|Laptop | do i have to |
| 00:11.03 | foxlit | Only if you want to get the right answer in the end. |
| 00:11.20 | Semlar|Laptop | but i'm not the one who asked the question |
| 00:12.20 | foxlit | okay, I'll ask an easier question: what's with all the lines to the center of the circles? |
| 00:12.32 | foxlit | or polygons, as it were. |
| 00:12.54 | foxlit | Last I heard you were doing convex hulls, not clustering. |
| 00:13.30 | Semlar|Laptop | i was going to fill them in |
| 00:13.52 | Amarande | huh, interesting. if you get saved to a raid when you're not the leader, you can't go back in there alone at all for the rest of the raid lockout or you get booted for "not being in the group for this instance"? |
| 00:16.44 | Mr_Rabies | think that was added to prevent raid lockout shenanigans |
| 00:17.40 | Mr_Rabies | so you couldn't take a lockout, get a group, and clear the instance |
| 00:17.50 | Mr_Rabies | and then the original group would go and see their instance clear |
| 00:18.01 | Mr_Rabies | this happened from time to time back in he day |
| 00:18.06 | Mr_Rabies | the day* |
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| 00:42.00 | VIad | Semlar: did you fix ungoro issue? |
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| 01:48.13 | kd3 | wow. what an end to the baltimore/denver game |
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| 02:03.01 | Thunder_Child | kd3: I don't really think this is the channel for that. |
| 02:04.37 | Cairenn | Why not? We've talked about sports in here before ... |
| 02:04.38 | nebula169 | why not, was a good game |
| 02:05.33 | Amarande | completely changes predictions, too |
| 02:05.41 | Amarande | since Denver was expected to go on to beat the Patriots next round |
| 02:05.41 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn: few and far between. And usually revoling around hockey |
| 02:05.51 | Thunder_Child | or EU football |
| 02:05.58 | Cairenn | true enough |
| 02:06.01 | Amarande | Well the importnat thing anyway is that SOMEONE beats the Patriots. :) |
| 02:06.07 | Cairenn | wanders off to spend some time with the family |
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| 02:33.20 | kd3 | I still don't get why blizz called a devilsaur fascist... http://www.wowpedia.org/Fascist_Devilsaur |
| 02:34.38 | foxlit | "cone extending 15 yards out from the golem" |
| 02:35.38 | kd3 | oh, huh. guess I shouldn't blindly copy/paste from the golem whose abilities I stole that from |
| 02:35.54 | foxlit | I don't get why I marked a bunch of functions as Protected in 1.10.0 back in 2006. |
| 02:36.06 | Thunder_Child | because they were? |
| 02:36.18 | foxlit | taint didn't exist until 2.0? |
| 02:36.37 | kd3 | they still had protected functions (movement, for instance) |
| 02:37.16 | foxlit | Requiring hardware events is something logically different, though maybe the tags were conflated at the time. |
| 02:37.18 | kd3 | or functions that needed to react to a physical keypress (like using potions - I still remember an auto-potion function) |
| 02:37.25 | kd3 | probably |
| 02:37.56 | foxlit | But I wrote that template, and the original language was "can only be called from Blizzard-signed AddOns" |
| 02:40.50 | Mr_Rabies | because he's a tyrannosaur, kd3 |
| 02:40.58 | kd3 | har |
| 02:41.43 | Mr_Rabies | this is probably why kd3 http://ptr.wowhead.com/npc=6500 |
| 02:41.58 | Mr_Rabies | they probably used the tyrant as a template and just gave it that name for comedy |
| 02:42.06 | Mr_Rabies | it may or may not change before final |
| 02:43.04 | Amarande | Ahh, Auto-Potion. The first thing that comes to mind is that that's the lovely thing that sucked what little interaction there was in beating the Monster Arena in Final Fantasy X. :) |
| 02:43.20 | Amarande | You put Auto-Potion and Auto-Phoenix on everyone and pretty much then all you do is hold down X till the boss dies. LOL |
| 02:59.09 | Arrowmaster | i put counter-knights of nine or whatever it was on somebody in ff7 once killed one of the weapons in a single attack before any of the characters turns |
| 02:59.22 | kd3 | knights of the round? |
| 02:59.34 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 03:00.37 | Arrowmaster | it went 'ultima weapons attacks, auto counter with knights of the round, ultima weapon is dead' |
| 03:03.33 | Amarande | yeah, Knights of the Round was just OP |
| 03:03.43 | Amarande | mind you, Ruby and Emerald WEAPON were OP as well heh |
| 03:13.41 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/7593621554 |
| 03:13.42 | bluspacecow | wat |
| 03:13.44 | bluspacecow | lol |
| 03:18.12 | Dagmar | hehe |
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| 03:30.58 | Mr_Rabies | i think he means "not" |
| 03:31.07 | Mr_Rabies | but lol |
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| 03:45.02 | kd3 | alright. found a different usb wifi nic |
| 03:45.09 | kd3 | hopefully this one won't crap out on me |
| 03:49.49 | Dagmar | No miniPCIe slot? |
| 03:49.52 | Dagmar | Bummer. |
| 03:50.27 | kd3 | I've got a bunch of pcie-1x slots on my new board... I suppose that's an option too |
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| 04:12.32 | kd3 | oh, geez... I laughed, where's my window seat? The most Canadian headline ever: Snowmobiler dead after collision with moose [Dumbass] |
| 04:13.16 | kd3 | http://www.montrealgazette.com/travel/story.html?id=7811800 |
| 04:50.32 | pompy1 | http://www.eonline.com/news/378041/white-house-responds-to-star-wars-death-star-petition |
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| 05:51.40 | Dagmar | Pick up the Darkmoon quest to collect 250 ears. |
| 05:51.59 | Dagmar | Proceed to Guo-Lai Halls, take right-hand hallway. Kill Bloodtip like twice. |
| 05:52.09 | Dagmar | Just a ridiculous number of adds. |
| 05:52.14 | bluspacecow | *popcorn* |
| 05:52.16 | Dagmar | But... when did SPIDERS GET EARS |
| 05:52.34 | karl_w_w | they are metaphorical ears |
| 05:52.48 | bluspacecow | they're snacks for them |
| 05:52.51 | Dagmar | I got the last 50 I needed at one go. |
| 05:52.52 | bluspacecow | like crisps |
| 05:53.01 | Dagmar | I cant believe they let the little spiders not count as cake mobs |
| 05:53.11 | karl_w_w | nom! |
| 05:53.39 | bluspacecow | spider cake ? |
| 05:53.40 | bluspacecow | ewwww |
| 05:53.57 | Dagmar | Crab cake. |
| 05:54.09 | Dagmar | I figured a named, rare spider might drop something interesting. |
| 05:54.15 | Dagmar | I'll take the ears. |
| 05:54.51 | bluspacecow | its a special mutant spider |
| 05:54.52 | bluspacecow | with ears |
| 05:55.01 | bluspacecow | and hifi earmuffs |
| 05:55.04 | bluspacecow | for |
| 05:55.06 | bluspacecow | house music |
| 05:55.09 | Dagmar | Like the legless quest spiders. |
| 05:55.50 | Thunder_Child | That just means you damaged them while killing/collecting |
| 06:00.20 | Dagmar | Well, it's a good thing I'm nto shooting them in the ears. |
| 06:00.45 | Dagmar | From the look of the damage it looks like I could just milk Bloodtip for her summons and get all 250 ears in one fight. |
| 06:00.57 | Dagmar | The pet wasn't in any serious danger |
| 06:01.48 | Dagmar | Autoshoot at five feet, occasionally disengage, barrage, rinse, repeat. |
| 06:02.59 | karl_w_w | milking spiders is a tricky business |
| 06:04.55 | Dagmar | I'll make sure my dwarf uses some hand lotion first. |
| 06:09.43 | bluspacecow | spider boobies |
| 06:09.46 | bluspacecow | *giggle* |
| 06:11.42 | karl_w_w | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milking#Milking_venom |
| 06:31.54 | bleeter | and another thing, surely I'm not the only person to continually misread 'Carp Hunter' |
| 06:32.26 | bleeter | if only there were 'Crap Hunter, the Wanker' that'd make my day |
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| 07:12.13 | karl_w_w | what's the best way to go about upgrading stuff with valor? |
| 07:12.22 | karl_w_w | weapon first, best itemized first? |
| 07:13.00 | Mr_Rabies | the one you're least likely to replace with something else first |
| 07:13.08 | bleeter | 'her reflection nipples' wut |
| 07:13.31 | Mr_Rabies | wat |
| 07:13.46 | bleeter | misread NPC text |
| 07:13.48 | bleeter | ripples |
| 07:16.05 | bluspacecow | i like your version better |
| 07:22.07 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/MhwW4.jpg o god |
| 07:26.00 | bluspacecow | what are all the lines ? |
| 07:26.10 | Semlar | confusing |
| 07:27.31 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/CADWg.jpg this looks pretty cool actually |
| 07:29.33 | Semlar | they don't actually mean anything i was just messing around |
| 07:29.56 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
| 07:29.59 | Fisker | we still love you |
| 07:30.07 | bluspacecow | herro! |
| 07:30.33 | Fisker | and it's cold here |
| 07:31.33 | Stanzilla | same here Fisker |
| 07:32.31 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:32.34 | bluspacecow | then stanzilla |
| 07:32.39 | Fisker | nope |
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| 07:33.58 | Fisker | what to do Stanzilla ? |
| 07:34.03 | Fisker | it's fucking cold here |
| 07:35.11 | bleeter | well, not so much NPC text... emote type foo from Lei Shi |
| 07:35.14 | Stanzilla | turn up the heat |
| 07:35.25 | Semlar | start setting fires |
| 07:35.27 | Fisker | that costs money |
| 07:35.28 | Fisker | pls |
| 07:35.40 | bleeter | wonder if I wrote a book of 'misread warcraft text' whether I'd have to (a) get clearance and/or (b) pay Blizz $$ |
| 07:35.56 | Stanzilla | Semlar: what are those lines? |
| 07:36.00 | bleeter | 'the wanker' still the best, imo |
| 07:36.07 | Semlar | nothin |
| 07:38.57 | Fisker | first they came for the jews Stanzilla |
| 07:39.06 | Fisker | then they came for the 64-bits :( |
| 07:39.34 | Stanzilla | haha |
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| 09:31.04 | bleeter | one for the electronic engineer geeks, TV originally developed on Australian goldfields! >< http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/scienceshow/henry-sutton---inventor-of-television/4441244 |
| 09:31.17 | bleeter | well, first principles |
| 09:38.30 | karl_w_w | hmm when i hold shift on a piece of gear to compare to what im wearing it murders my fps |
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| 10:10.54 | jnwhiteh | stab me in the face |
| 10:10.55 | jnwhiteh | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/tomtom/tickets/108-consistently-high-cpu-usage-when-not-in-use/ |
| 10:11.32 | tzarc | hmmm, what's the addon for tracking usage? |
| 10:11.46 | tzarc | Broker_CPU I'm guessing |
| 10:11.59 | tzarc | yes yes, I can read |
| 10:12.01 | tzarc | wanders off |
| 10:13.23 | Elkano | why would we stab you in the face for that? also, while being low numbers, being on top of that list should make you feel bad ;) maybe some embedded lib being blamed on TomTom? |
| 10:17.51 | jnwhiteh | nope |
| 10:17.54 | jnwhiteh | i honestly do not care |
| 10:17.57 | jnwhiteh | they have ldb feeds enabled |
| 10:18.03 | jnwhiteh | so its doing something every 0.2-0.4 seconds |
| 10:18.14 | jnwhiteh | that's a feature, that costs you, I would expect that. |
| 10:18.16 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 10:18.30 | jnwhiteh | it has 0 usage when standing still with all periodic features enabeld. |
| 10:20.45 | Humbedooh | hey jnwhiteh hey |
| 10:20.47 | jnwhiteh | hihi |
| 10:20.51 | Humbedooh | you're a spotifier, yes? |
| 10:21.07 | jnwhiteh | true |
| 10:21.13 | Humbedooh | do you know a noa resare? |
| 10:21.22 | jnwhiteh | I know 'noa' on irc |
| 10:21.26 | jnwhiteh | that's probably him :P |
| 10:21.29 | Humbedooh | that'd be him ye :p |
| 10:22.02 | Humbedooh | we have a mutual acquaintance then! |
| 10:22.09 | jnwhiteh | he's even on my floor |
| 10:22.11 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 10:22.43 | Humbedooh | I'm doing zeh lua madness for a project he's involved in :) |
| 10:22.46 | Humbedooh | cloudstack |
| 10:23.41 | jnwhiteh | yeah, the cloudstack infrastructure is becoming more important for us, I think |
| 10:26.04 | Humbedooh | one of a gazillion incubating projects we seem to have :) |
| 10:27.28 | Humbedooh | I feel like a traveling salesman at times, going from one project to another, offering my services :| |
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| 10:29.21 | Elkano | why not thing of yourself as some wizard spreding his magic dust around a bit to make the world a better place? ;) |
| 10:29.42 | Humbedooh | yes, I could do that! |
| 10:29.45 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 10:29.48 | Humbedooh | spreading the magic of Lua! |
| 10:29.51 | jnwhiteh | Humbedooh: where do you work? |
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| 10:30.26 | Humbedooh | jnwhiteh: in this regard, my job is with the infrastructure team of the ASF |
| 10:30.33 | jnwhiteh | ah, cool =) |
| 10:30.38 | jnwhiteh | that's what I was wondering, who the 'we' was |
| 10:30.40 | Fisker | stabs jnwhiteh in the face with a PENIS |
| 10:30.44 | Humbedooh | so I don't work on cloudstack directly, I just provide support tools and such |
| 10:32.05 | Humbedooh | Fisker: that's rude - you should ask first |
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| 10:49.44 | Fisker | nah Humbedooh |
| 10:49.46 | Fisker | he asked for it |
| 10:49.54 | Fisker | asking again is redundant |
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| 13:08.06 | bluipodcow | *giggle* |
| 13:08.28 | bluipodcow | Another day another anti cog shanks post on the forums |
| 13:09.01 | bluipodcow | omgeherds it knows my alts. Invasion of privacy !!!! |
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| 14:23.36 | VIad | when I start the launcher the game says "Initializing..." for a long time :/ |
| 14:26.26 | bluipodcow | Oh ma gerds! |
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| 14:53.16 | bluipodcow | ! |
| 14:53.26 | bluipodcow | No wonder I is hungry |
| 14:53.45 | bluipodcow | Haven't had my din dins yet |
| 14:56.53 | Humbedooh | you need your dindins |
| 14:59.07 | bluipodcow | Yep yep |
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| 15:22.00 | zenzelezz | blargh... I made the mistake of browsing a website selling posters from WW2... now I need more walls |
| 15:23.19 | bluipodcow | Now yr going to visit www.wallsrus.com |
| 15:23.47 | zenzelezz | they don't sell WW2 stuff |
| 15:23.48 | bluipodcow | And suddenly a new house is needed to store them all |
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| 15:40.11 | karl_w_w | wow that was boring |
| 15:40.29 | karl_w_w | what is with the pigs |
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| 15:52.06 | foxlit | Hm, are there no user-level paths I could put files in to require() them later? |
| 15:52.38 | foxlit | everything seems relative to local directory or /usr/local/(lib|share)/lua/ :/ |
| 15:53.08 | cbreak | foxlit: wow lua or some stand-alone? |
| 15:53.32 | foxlit | there's no require() in wow :) |
| 15:53.44 | cbreak | foxlit: http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-package.path |
| 15:54.26 | foxlit | hm, so export LUA_PATH somewhere in .bash_profile? |
| 15:54.48 | cbreak | for example |
| 15:54.53 | cbreak | if you start lua from bash |
| 15:55.07 | cbreak | environments are inherited |
| 15:55.57 | foxlit | Hm, I could probably recompile changing luaconf.h |
| 15:56.16 | cbreak | or you can change your script to change the variable |
| 15:59.42 | VIad | foxlit: the require() is called toc file :D |
| 16:00.33 | foxlit | Susan: I don't hold it against you, but that joke is stupid. |
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| 16:12.07 | karl_w_w | anyone know what this thing is about nvidia making wireless chips of some kind? |
| 16:18.59 | Fisker | so you guys know you're pretty much messed up right? |
| 16:19.15 | Fisker | So afraid of gun violence you're banning plastic guncontrollers |
| 16:19.25 | Fisker | that's pretty fucking funny :/ |
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| 16:19.38 | Semlar | yeah i'm actually personally responsible for gun control |
| 16:19.43 | Semlar | sorry about that |
| 16:20.21 | Fisker | yep Semlar |
| 16:20.23 | Fisker | shame on you |
| 16:21.14 | VIad | foxlit: :P |
| 16:45.09 | zenzelezz | "And yes, this is the same Porsche that makes cars, but that does not give you the right to refer to you 911 as your PzKpfw CMXI Ausf P" |
| 16:49.17 | VIad | hmm, what is most efficient (frames, widgets) comparing 'a == b' or 'a:GetName() == "nameOfB"' ? |
| 16:49.37 | Semlar | a == b would be way more efficient |
| 16:49.47 | Sintacks | My grid feels broken ... like shit doesn't work anymore ;| |
| 16:50.17 | VIad | so comparing the objects is better |
| 16:50.29 | Semlar | function calls are really slow in lua |
| 16:59.28 | zenzelezz | can't frames be anonymous anyway? (as in, no name) |
| 17:00.04 | Semlar | yeah but i'm assuming he's comparing ones with names |
| 17:00.42 | foxlit | "really slow" :P |
| 17:01.00 | Semlar | more than 10 times slower than the alternative |
| 17:01.25 | Semlar | i can't believe how slow function calls are |
| 17:01.39 | foxlit | I can't believe anyone cares. |
| 17:01.48 | foxlit | In absolute terms, it's still peanuts |
| 17:01.57 | Semlar | not when you're doing a lot of them |
| 17:02.24 | foxlit | "a lot" :) |
| 17:02.46 | zenzelezz | generally speaking, can the cost of function calls in interpreted languages be reasonably compared to machine-code function calls in terms of performance? |
| 17:03.29 | cbreak | compared? yes. |
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| 17:37.49 | VIad | got infraction on mmochampion for posting an exploit video - was just prooving the doubting people that there is a duplicate bug going around and people sell cloned items - was a warning, got a infraction ;P nioce |
| 17:37.51 | VIad | nice* |
| 17:38.49 | Fisker | there's no dupe bug VIad |
| 17:38.53 | VIad | there is |
| 17:38.54 | cbreak | VIad: don't be a white hat |
| 17:39.04 | cbreak | no fun, no profit. |
| 17:39.16 | Fisker | no VIad |
| 17:39.19 | Fisker | there is not |
| 17:39.25 | VIad | this is what I am dealing with |
| 17:39.31 | Semlar | there have been a number of different dupes |
| 17:39.41 | Fisker | none of them have been dupes |
| 17:39.45 | Fisker | look up the meaning of the word dupe |
| 17:39.46 | Fisker | pls |
| 17:39.48 | VIad | then I post video to show you then I get infracted :P |
| 17:39.50 | Semlar | uh, fisker i guarantee it's possible |
| 17:39.56 | VIad | semantics |
| 17:39.57 | Fisker | i guarantee that it is not |
| 17:40.10 | Semlar | okay |
| 17:40.12 | VIad | point is you make an item to appear more than it should have |
| 17:40.18 | Fisker | yes |
| 17:41.02 | VIad | actually duplication trading has happened earlier in cata I think |
| 17:41.17 | VIad | trading as you enter a instance portal or something, under special circumstances |
| 17:41.24 | VIad | both people had the item as result, i.e. dupe :P |
| 17:41.31 | Fisker | oh ok |
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| 17:41.35 | Fisker | haven't heard of that though |
| 17:41.48 | VIad | I know, I read ownedcore to keep up with what bugs people are exploiting |
| 17:41.53 | Fisker | but the end-cataclysm "dupe" and the current "dupe" aren't dupes though |
| 17:42.14 | VIad | point is people sell items that are not authentic |
| 17:42.14 | Semlar | i'm talking about actually duplicating an item |
| 17:42.52 | VIad | current bug in short, involves forcing a rollback |
| 17:42.58 | VIad | and it restores materials you used to craft stuff |
| 17:43.07 | VIad | so people make darkmoon trinkets and rollback to make more |
| 17:43.11 | VIad | in a way, making duplicates |
| 17:43.23 | VIad | since they shouldn't be able to keep the same mats to make more than one trinket :P |
| 17:43.35 | Semlar | well, what i'm talking about involves packets so i highly doubt it's the same thing |
| 17:43.36 | VIad | or something like this, that's what I saw in the video I linked |
| 17:44.02 | Fisker | it may be Semlar |
| 17:44.05 | Fisker | as far as i recall |
| 17:44.13 | Fisker | most of the dupes involve getting desynced from the server |
| 17:44.18 | Fisker | but in a way that still allows various operations |
| 17:44.23 | Fisker | (crafting, opening items, etc) |
| 17:44.42 | Fisker | oops called it a dupe myself |
| 17:44.46 | Fisker | noooooooooooooooooo |
| 17:44.46 | VIad | :P |
| 17:45.22 | VIad | you can get very technical on the terms, but just keep it simple, call it dupe as it kind of sums up the whole business regarding wow |
| 17:45.45 | VIad | what else do I call it? :P |
| 17:46.01 | VIad | find a better word for "getting more items than intended" |
| 17:46.06 | VIad | or obtaining I guess |
| 17:46.08 | Fisker | unintentional item restoration exploit |
| 17:46.09 | Fisker | :D |
| 17:46.14 | VIad | :P |
| 17:46.27 | VIad | actually so far no one uses the restore system to bug it |
| 17:46.33 | Fisker | i know |
| 17:46.39 | Fisker | but it rollbacks the stuff |
| 17:46.39 | VIad | but maybe some subroutines are involved to allow these crafting exploits |
| 17:46.44 | Fisker | so it's kind of an item restoration :D |
| 17:46.46 | VIad | yeah |
| 17:46.59 | Fisker | but you're right |
| 17:47.12 | Fisker | dupe is the best thing to call it, even if it's not quite exactly a dupe |
| 17:47.34 | Fisker | i just wanted people to love me :( |
| 17:47.41 | VIad | :P |
| 17:47.44 | VIad | I love you |
| 17:48.40 | VIad | I asked the moderator, if he felt better if I had posted link to ownedcore thread, or if that would still be an infraction |
| 17:48.50 | VIad | or what if I said "google this sentence" would it still be an infraction? :P |
| 17:49.33 | nevcairiel | yes it would |
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| 17:50.30 | nevcairiel | discussions about exploits are already borderline, linking to them or giving instructions how to find them are simply not allowed |
| 17:50.47 | nevcairiel | mmo-c is by proxy through curse a official fansite now |
| 17:51.38 | cbreak | sounds stupid |
| 17:51.45 | Ressy | report it to blizz? |
| 17:51.54 | cbreak | like "No, do not discuss that java has an exploitable security hole SINCE MONTHS" |
| 17:52.13 | nevcairiel | that comparison sounds stupid |
| 17:52.36 | VIad | I mean, how do I provide proof that dupe items are sold on the AH and people shouldn't buy them at the moment? |
| 17:52.39 | VIad | last time the dupes got removed |
| 17:52.42 | VIad | many at least |
| 17:53.04 | VIad | just telling people won't suffice, so either I don't help anyone or I show some video of someone doing it to show proof :P |
| 17:53.22 | VIad | just lame to get burned for trying to help |
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| 17:54.00 | cbreak | VIad: as I said, white hats often get burned |
| 17:54.18 | cbreak | the safest way with normal security problems is to report it to some independent organisation |
| 17:54.30 | nevcairiel | its not a security problem :P |
| 17:54.33 | cbreak | or anonymously report it |
| 17:54.51 | nevcairiel | and blizz didnt burn him |
| 17:55.26 | VIad | mmochampion did :P |
| 17:55.44 | VIad | was a thread about a guy talking about if he bought a dupe item as the seller sold like 100 trinkets :P |
| 17:55.51 | VIad | and almost no one believed him |
| 17:56.04 | VIad | like Fisker earlier "dupe was fixed long ago" and such hehe |
| 17:56.25 | cbreak | well... either he gets to keep his trinket |
| 17:56.31 | cbreak | or he will lose the trinket and get the money back |
| 17:56.33 | cbreak | or he loses both |
| 17:56.38 | Fisker | depends |
| 17:56.50 | Fisker | seems to be pretty much lottery |
| 17:57.06 | VIad | I remember some posts saying they lost their gold and item |
| 17:57.12 | VIad | because they bought an item that was not authentic |
| 17:57.16 | Fisker | I think there's a "lower limit" |
| 17:57.18 | Fisker | if they pass that |
| 17:57.20 | VIad | (from the past) |
| 17:57.21 | Fisker | they get to keep it |
| 17:57.24 | hefenwind | can anyone lead me to a good tutorial that's a more advanced then the simple "Hello World"? |
| 17:57.26 | VIad | probably |
| 17:57.28 | Fisker | if it's above that they lose the item and the gold |
| 17:57.38 | cbreak | sounds a bit unfair |
| 17:57.41 | VIad | just shame when you buy something with gold you earned and basically money out the window |
| 17:57.44 | VIad | yeah |
| 17:57.53 | VIad | sounds very unfair to people that don't know about this |
| 17:57.59 | cbreak | especially if people who try to warn them get burned at the stake for trying to do so |
| 17:58.01 | VIad | hence why I wanted to show proof to scare people a bit from buying these |
| 17:58.11 | kd3 | hef, well, once you're past writing HelloWorld, what's your objective? |
| 17:58.16 | cbreak | not literally burned at the stake of course |
| 17:58.24 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:58.28 | VIad | :P |
| 17:58.47 | Fisker | i think it's their own version of good faith |
| 17:58.58 | nevcairiel | cbreak: warning people doesnt mean you ahve to tell them how to do it |
| 17:59.00 | hefenwind | @kd3 I'm wanting to show a guild member/friend as they come online on screen where the combat text usually is (center of the screen) |
| 17:59.34 | VIad | well I did post a video as proof, this one www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhCSilpYY3c |
| 17:59.42 | VIad | some random guy doing it :P |
| 17:59.47 | Semlar | isn't there a little toast frame that tells you when someone comes on |
| 17:59.53 | Semlar | or is that just for bnet |
| 17:59.55 | kd3 | only for bnet friends |
| 18:00.12 | VIad | there is no information how to do it, just that he does it |
| 18:00.17 | VIad | bnet |
| 18:00.18 | cbreak | nevcairiel: well. You can claim it without any proof that it is true, of course |
| 18:00.21 | hefenwind | really? i can't do that for ingame friends or guild members? |
| 18:00.29 | Semlar | you can |
| 18:00.33 | kd3 | hef, you'll need to find what event fires when friends/guildies log on then hook that event |
| 18:00.54 | VIad | why is it illegal to post a video of someone doing an exploit when nothing is explained? :P |
| 18:00.57 | VIad | sounds silly to me |
| 18:00.58 | hefenwind | yeah, figured that. just having some issues to find that event. |
| 18:01.12 | Semlar | where are you looking |
| 18:01.28 | VIad | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:01.33 | hefenwind | wowpedia interface documentation |
| 18:01.34 | VIad | and make a friend login, and guildie :p |
| 18:01.45 | hefenwind | ok, thanks Vlad |
| 18:01.55 | VIad | or just look at the friends frame how it catches the event |
| 18:02.03 | cbreak | VIad: it's probably not illegal |
| 18:02.06 | VIad | the game says in system chat "X has come online" |
| 18:02.14 | VIad | cbreak: I mean infraction worthy |
| 18:02.26 | VIad | as the intent isn't the same as showing how to do it, just showing it be done |
| 18:02.52 | VIad | if you skip to the part where he rolls back you see he doesn't explain anything, just disconnects :P |
| 18:02.59 | VIad | I doubt it's a normal disconnect to be honest |
| 18:03.38 | VIad | Scrapbot reason "Don't post links or videos on how to exploit the game, fixed or not" |
| 18:03.51 | VIad | he didn't even watch the video as it's not a "how to" :P |
| 18:04.46 | cbreak | if it's fixed, why do they care? |
| 18:05.39 | VIad | don't know, just know that he infracted me for something silly and not even within the forum guidelines as it's not a guide video :P |
| 18:05.54 | VIad | like mentioning world war two and getting infracted for talking about hitler |
| 18:06.21 | Semlar | so what you're saying is the moderators are nazis |
| 18:06.25 | VIad | tough even if you talk about hitler still getting infracted for it would be weird as the context is what matters :P |
| 18:06.46 | VIad | no, saying context matters and when a video you should see it all before making a decision if it's a guide video or just showing something done :P |
| 18:07.10 | nevcairiel | If i had the choice to infract VIad or not, the answer is clear |
| 18:07.13 | VIad | if I show you painting, it's not the same as teaching you |
| 18:07.17 | Semlar | it really doesn't matter if it shows you how to do it or it shows you someone exploiting the game |
| 18:07.22 | VIad | ye, I'd be infracted for annoying nevcairiel |
| 18:07.36 | nevcairiel | the whole discussion is pointless |
| 18:07.38 | Semlar | it's not a very good idea to post a video of someone exploiting |
| 18:08.12 | Semlar | that really should have occurred to you while you were posting it |
| 18:08.17 | VIad | ehm |
| 18:08.25 | nevcairiel | it didnt, thats the problem :p |
| 18:08.26 | VIad | the video is half the exploit |
| 18:08.38 | VIad | it won't work just doing what the guy in the video did |
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| 18:09.00 | VIad | you need to do more, I think involves server desync or disconnecting using some program or something else |
| 18:09.15 | Semlar | it could have been a fake video of someone fake exploiting and you still shouldn't have posted it |
| 18:09.18 | VIad | it shouldn't matter then if all you want to do is show people it can be done |
| 18:09.51 | VIad | I know, I learned that next time, I won't care :P |
| 18:10.27 | VIad | seems talking about stuff makes people cry these days |
| 18:11.21 | VIad | actually funny thing is I was gonna post the thread on ownedcore that tells how to do the exploit |
| 18:11.33 | VIad | but then I figured I should use a video that doesn't explain it but just shows it instead |
| 18:11.44 | VIad | I guess even the more safe approach is something people will cry about ;P |
| 18:12.13 | Semlar | or the fact that it's against the rules of the particular forum you're using to do something like that |
| 18:12.35 | VIad | it's illegal to post how to do exploits |
| 18:12.44 | VIad | but not illegal to post someone doing it without explaining :P |
| 18:13.01 | nevcairiel | thats what you think, but you are obviously wrong |
| 18:13.03 | VIad | like kazzak exploit in vanilla, I wouldn't get banned if I posted a video of someone killing kazzak with a paladin |
| 18:13.12 | VIad | infracted* |
| 18:13.28 | kd3 | the reckoning bomb? hell, I've still got a copy of that |
| 18:13.36 | VIad | don't post it on mmochamp |
| 18:13.42 | VIad | or you get infracted for posting exploits |
| 18:13.45 | Semlar | trust me when i say you're going to get in trouble with the law if you can't figure out you shouldn't do something even though it isn't explicitly spelled out |
| 18:14.01 | VIad | oh please |
| 18:14.04 | VIad | internet forum rules? |
| 18:14.15 | Semlar | it's not even about the forum |
| 18:14.28 | nevcairiel | you got in trouble with the law of that forum |
| 18:14.33 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 18:14.49 | VIad | even regular laws have more paragraphs than 10 |
| 18:14.51 | VIad | so please :P |
| 18:14.57 | VIad | real life has exceptions, forums have none |
| 18:15.24 | VIad | I am sure the "no exploit video" rule means "no exploit videos that explain how the exploit is done" |
| 18:15.41 | Semlar | apparently not |
| 18:15.45 | VIad | apparently not |
| 18:16.20 | VIad | also laws change and should change when old or not good enough |
| 18:16.30 | VIad | doubt it happens on mmochamp or other forums :p |
| 18:16.34 | VIad | except additions |
| 18:17.16 | VIad | funny thing |
| 18:17.34 | VIad | if you think about it, forums are just like communism, you do as you are told by your government :P |
| 18:17.44 | Semlar | no |
| 18:17.54 | VIad | facism? |
| 18:17.57 | VIad | sorry :p |
| 18:18.00 | nevcairiel | i think you dont know what communism is |
| 18:18.08 | VIad | communism is a lot |
| 18:18.32 | nevcairiel | but your description it is clearly not |
| 18:18.48 | VIad | my description wasn't meant to define all of communism lol |
| 18:18.49 | VIad | anyway |
| 18:19.00 | VIad | I doubt if I posted a post to change a rule, that anyone would even consider it :P |
| 18:19.24 | cbreak | you'd get your second infraction for attempted mutiny. |
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| 18:19.29 | VIad | :P |
| 18:19.31 | VIad | yeah |
| 18:19.35 | nevcairiel | because its nonsense, there is nothing positive to be gained from posting videos of exploits |
| 18:19.40 | VIad | sure |
| 18:19.44 | cbreak | it is. amusement. |
| 18:19.45 | VIad | show people that doubt it is real |
| 18:19.59 | VIad | if I tell you I have a third nipple and you don't believe me, I gotta show you :P |
| 18:20.00 | nevcairiel | the videos might as well be fake or from private servers |
| 18:20.02 | cbreak | and people get to endlessly speculate what kind of programming bug spawned that exploit |
| 18:20.06 | Semlar | showing people a video of someone not performing an exploit isn't going to convince them of anything |
| 18:20.06 | nevcairiel | its hardly good proof |
| 18:20.08 | VIad | even if it's illegal to post breasts, the intent is different |
| 18:20.29 | VIad | just saying, why so touchy on this? :P |
| 18:22.11 | Semlar | we're not touchy, we're just saying you have poor judgment |
| 18:22.13 | VIad | it's their forum, I got infracted, all is fine, I accept it :P |
| 18:22.17 | nevcairiel | because if you go down this route, someone is going to ask how to do it, or even post this info, there is nothing good coming of it |
| 18:22.33 | nevcairiel | if they dont believe you, let them buy the items |
| 18:22.45 | VIad | I know it was borderline, I took a shot :P |
| 18:22.55 | Semlar | caveat emptor yo |
| 18:22.56 | VIad | was hoping for better judgement by the mods as the intention isn't to show how it's done either |
| 18:23.10 | kd3 | judgement calls? by forum mods? hahahaha |
| 18:23.22 | VIad | I know, I was being silly |
| 18:23.40 | nevcairiel | handing out infractions is fun to them |
| 18:23.42 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 18:23.43 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:23.49 | Semlar | what did you expect |
| 18:23.50 | VIad | I watched it first |
| 18:23.52 | VIad | there is no tutorial |
| 18:23.58 | VIad | the video is poorly named :P |
| 18:24.06 | VIad | doesn't reflect the content |
| 18:24.07 | Mr_Rabies | seems to do a decent job at explaining the exploit to me in the video |
| 18:24.11 | nevcairiel | if i would read that title, i wouldnt bother to watch it, and just ban you |
| 18:24.16 | Semlar | okay, do you think they spent five minutes watching it? |
| 18:24.19 | VIad | no |
| 18:24.35 | VIad | and is it a good thing to not even check the evidence and just infract? :P |
| 18:24.39 | VIad | sounds good if this was real life |
| 18:25.07 | VIad | Mr_Rabies he performs it yes, but when he disconnects |
| 18:25.08 | Mr_Rabies | seems all you have to do is mill or whatever while lagging and then move the item in the inventory towards the end of the cast time |
| 18:25.20 | VIad | he doesn't explain how it happens, as he logs back and the reagents are restored |
| 18:25.45 | Dagmar | Kinda a waste of time with herbs being all over the place |
| 18:25.53 | VIad | the vital disconnect part is missing, hence the exploit isn't really explained, if you tried to do it all you'd do is make the item and fail at restoring the materials |
| 18:27.35 | VIad | I like how you justified the infraction nevcairiel "oh bad title BAN" |
| 18:27.37 | VIad | funny :P |
| 18:27.50 | VIad | I should make a misleading title and post, just for moderation quality assurance testing |
| 18:28.09 | VIad | make it 30 min video so no one watches it and see if they prematurely infract/ban :P |
| 18:28.42 | VIad | I don't know what is more silly, what I did or if a moderator doesn't check the evidence when making a decision. |
| 18:29.03 | Semlar | i would have punished you too |
| 18:29.20 | VIad | :P |
| 18:29.40 | VIad | I'd expect you at least to check the evidence |
| 18:29.45 | Semlar | nope |
| 18:29.46 | nevcairiel | the moderator behaved normally, the title of the video clearly specifies illegal content and a brief check of the video seems to show that the guy is doing bad things, a moderator is no judge and jury, he is just the cop getting you off the street :p |
| 18:30.15 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 18:30.15 | Semlar | i see someone post a video that appears to be to an exploit and i'm going to remove it |
| 18:30.29 | VIad | the video is poorly titled |
| 18:30.47 | Mr_Rabies | it's better to err on the side of caution as a moderator, especially for an official fansite |
| 18:31.01 | VIad | how about just remove the video |
| 18:31.07 | VIad | why have to infract? :P |
| 18:31.15 | nevcairiel | an "infraction" doesn't sound like something that means shit anyway |
| 18:31.22 | nevcairiel | VIad: because you did something wrong and have to learn? |
| 18:31.24 | VIad | probably not, but he went trough the effort |
| 18:31.25 | Kaylin | VIad, making a post like that, while they may ban for the 'wrong' reasons, is in fact trolling moderators, a bannable offense. |
| 18:31.37 | Mr_Rabies | it's up to the moderator and the forum's policies to dispense their own brand of justice |
| 18:31.44 | VIad | trolling moderators lol |
| 18:32.02 | Dagmar | I'd ban you for repeatedly misusing the word "infract" |
| 18:32.03 | Mr_Rabies | gotta listen to the house rules to stay in the house |
| 18:32.17 | VIad | it's what it says |
| 18:32.20 | VIad | ifracted :P |
| 18:32.22 | VIad | infracted* |
| 18:32.34 | Dagmar | A person can not be "infracted". |
| 18:32.49 | VIad | infraction* |
| 18:32.50 | VIad | :P |
| 18:33.16 | Mr_Rabies | if it's anything like vbulletin, infractions basically build up to a temp ban, and the moderator can set the infraction limit before automatic actioning |
| 18:33.16 | nevcairiel | what you did was infract the law of the forum |
| 18:33.35 | VIad | the law is vague |
| 18:33.41 | Mr_Rabies | er, "the admin" |
| 18:33.45 | Semlar | it's meant to be vague |
| 18:33.46 | nevcairiel | law is always vague |
| 18:33.50 | Dagmar | It doesn't need to be specific. |
| 18:33.57 | Semlar | that gives them more room to interpret it |
| 18:34.00 | nevcairiel | thats why we need lawyers =P |
| 18:34.01 | Mr_Rabies | vague is necessary to prevent edge case loopholes |
| 18:34.03 | VIad | I had no trial |
| 18:34.09 | Semlar | it's not open to a trial |
| 18:34.10 | VIad | I just got infracted without even being able to state my case |
| 18:34.12 | kd3 | and rules-lawyering |
| 18:34.13 | Dagmar | Were it more specific, it would just serve as a guideline for bored kids to know exactly how much _cocktardifcation_ they can get away with |
| 18:34.18 | Mr_Rabies | no trial is guaranteed in the law of mmo-champion |
| 18:34.22 | Mr_Rabies | think judge dredd |
| 18:34.24 | nevcairiel | you're just in jail, not in prison for life :p |
| 18:34.26 | Semlar | vlad, you're the one who did the infracting, they didn't infract you |
| 18:34.27 | Dagmar | You were not infracted. You ARE NOT A RULE. |
| 18:34.36 | Semlar | >_> |
| 18:34.44 | Mr_Rabies | it may help that i saw Dredd last night |
| 18:34.52 | VIad | lol |
| 18:34.55 | VIad | I know forums :P |
| 18:34.56 | nevcairiel | i still need to watch dredd, any good? |
| 18:34.58 | Mr_Rabies | i think english is a second language for vlad, give hima break :p |
| 18:35.00 | Mr_Rabies | it's amazing, nevcairiel |
| 18:35.03 | Semlar | that's okay |
| 18:35.13 | nevcairiel | so, i'll make me soem pizza and put dredd on then |
| 18:35.15 | VIad | "You have received an infraction at MMO-Champion" |
| 18:35.20 | Mr_Rabies | i never thought slow motion shots of people getting their heads blown off could be beautiful |
| 18:35.23 | Mr_Rabies | but it is |
| 18:35.23 | Semlar | to infract just means to break a rule |
| 18:35.23 | VIad | "You have received an infraction at MMO-Champion. Reason: Forbidden Topics" |
| 18:35.27 | Mr_Rabies | like |
| 18:35.31 | VIad | what am I saying wrong? |
| 18:35.32 | Dagmar | It's not US law, there is no redres or recourse, because doing so costs the scarce moderators even more of their scarce time |
| 18:35.33 | Mr_Rabies | straight up beautiful |
| 18:35.50 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: its one of the few films i would say is better in 3d |
| 18:35.59 | Dagmar | You're misusing the English language, for one. |
| 18:36.04 | Arrowmaster | the 3d was done that well in it |
| 18:36.37 | Mr_Rabies | i saw it in regular ol' blu ray on my projector |
| 18:36.38 | nevcairiel | 3d sucks at home, and it was so unpopular in cinemas around here that it only ran in midnight showings for which i cba to go =p |
| 18:36.45 | nevcairiel | so, i'll go 2d on it at home! |
| 18:36.48 | Mr_Rabies | i thought it was lovely |
| 18:36.53 | Mr_Rabies | like |
| 18:36.56 | VIad | Dagmar: how? |
| 18:37.00 | Mr_Rabies | it's weird to explain an action flick in those terms |
| 18:37.05 | Dagmar | Because ENGLISH. |
| 18:37.12 | VIad | I quoted twice |
| 18:37.12 | Mr_Rabies | but the film is straight up beautiful at times |
| 18:37.16 | VIad | were they wrong? |
| 18:37.19 | Semlar | you can't give someone an infraction, they're misusing the word too |
| 18:37.25 | VIad | so why blame me? |
| 18:37.28 | Mr_Rabies | even when people are getting literally burned alive and thrown off 200 story balconies |
| 18:37.30 | VIad | I just say what I read |
| 18:37.37 | Arrowmaster | all the slowmo scenes in it stand out in 3d, its like a 3d comic book in those scenes |
| 18:37.40 | Dagmar | "<VIad> I just got infracted " <-- this is not quoting |
| 18:37.41 | Semlar | but they're referring to the punishment they're dishing out for the infraction |
| 18:37.46 | VIad | that's true |
| 18:37.51 | VIad | I amit "infracted" is poorly used by me |
| 18:37.56 | VIad | admit* |
| 18:38.09 | Dagmar | It could be said you were "cited" if they were issuing citations. |
| 18:38.09 | VIad | but the only place I've read the word was on mmochampion |
| 18:38.36 | VIad | what is the difference between a quote and a citation? |
| 18:38.37 | Semlar | it just means you broke the rules |
| 18:38.46 | Semlar | a citation is a warning |
| 18:38.53 | Dagmar | "A citation" is what they call it when the cops write you a ticket. |
| 18:39.00 | Mr_Rabies | a citation can also mean a quote, though |
| 18:39.05 | Semlar | yes it can mean two things |
| 18:39.07 | VIad | :P |
| 18:39.10 | VIad | exactly |
| 18:39.13 | VIad | that's why I asked |
| 18:39.15 | Semlar | crazy words |
| 18:39.19 | Mr_Rabies | well |
| 18:39.20 | VIad | english right? |
| 18:39.24 | Mr_Rabies | it's kind of the same thing, though |
| 18:39.34 | nevcairiel | A citation is more of a reference to some other work, not a direct quote |
| 18:39.35 | VIad | ten words for the same thing, and some of them for something entirely different |
| 18:39.36 | Mr_Rabies | they're citing the law as a reason for your guilt |
| 18:39.40 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, nevcairiel |
| 18:39.57 | Semlar | the citation is the document they give you |
| 18:40.19 | Semlar | that says you need to show up in court |
| 18:41.25 | Dagmar | It also specifies why you have to show up |
| 18:41.41 | Semlar | this has gotten way off track |
| 18:41.43 | VIad | fun word |
| 18:41.53 | Thunder_Child | that would be a summons, a citation is slightly different |
| 18:42.05 | Dagmar | Tell it to the judge. |
| 18:42.09 | VIad | yes |
| 18:42.13 | VIad | do argue with the judge :P |
| 18:42.26 | Dagmar | Cops don't hand out a summons after pulling you over for running a light. |
| 18:42.42 | Dagmar | They hand you a ticket, often referred to as a citation. |
| 18:42.56 | Dagmar | That is, unless you did something bad enough that they arrest you on the spot. |
| 18:43.03 | Semlar | a ticket is a summons.. |
| 18:43.14 | Dagmar | If you get _sued_, or you do something white-collar and expensive, you'll get a summons. |
| 18:43.26 | Semlar | you can dispute it in court |
| 18:43.30 | Dagmar | No a ticket is also a summons. |
| 18:43.39 | Dagmar | Believe me I've gotten both of these and a third one besides. |
| 18:43.50 | Semlar | why you always breakin the law |
| 18:43.52 | Thunder_Child | no, but read a ticket/citation. If you sign, you promise to take care of it or show up in court. if you do not sign it, they will arrest you |
| 18:43.55 | Dagmar | Yay for being too close to a lot of crime |
| 18:43.57 | Mr_Rabies | this is some good iced chai |
| 18:44.07 | Mr_Rabies | i used eggnog instead of milk when making it |
| 18:44.35 | Dagmar | Signing a ticket makes no such promise. |
| 18:44.53 | Dagmar | It's just you acknowleging that you got the ticket. |
| 18:45.33 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 18:45.52 | Mr_Rabies | it's "i've read the following and agree this ticket has my information correct" basically |
| 18:45.55 | Mr_Rabies | there's fine print |
| 18:45.57 | Dagmar | You're not making a promise, you're just saying you have been made aware that you're supposed to drag your ass into court or make other arrangements. |
| 18:46.05 | Mr_Rabies | you're supposed to read it, it's a court document! |
| 18:46.09 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 18:46.22 | Mr_Rabies | i read the whole thing when i got pulled over before signing it |
| 18:46.33 | Mr_Rabies | i also made the cop check the radar gun for accuracy :p |
| 18:46.44 | Mr_Rabies | it was pretty cool, he used a tuning fork |
| 18:46.51 | Arrowmaster | they still do that? |
| 18:46.54 | Mr_Rabies | almost made it worth the $200 |
| 18:47.04 | Mr_Rabies | if it works, why fix it? |
| 18:47.18 | Arrowmaster | i thought they had a different way of calibrating them now |
| 18:47.23 | Mr_Rabies | they probably do |
| 18:47.27 | Mr_Rabies | but i live in the boonies |
| 18:47.43 | Mr_Rabies | they're too busy spending money on full body wraps for the police cars that say JUSTICE HAS ARRIVED |
| 18:48.01 | Mr_Rabies | or no |
| 18:48.04 | Mr_Rabies | BACKUP HAS ARRIVED |
| 18:48.38 | Arrowmaster | they could make money if they had them say "JUSTICE HAS ARRIVED! SEE THE NEW BATMAN MOVIE IN THEATERS ON XX/XX/XXXX" |
| 18:51.13 | Mr_Rabies | hmmm |
| 18:51.23 | Mr_Rabies | i wonder if i can set auctionator to default to TUJ data |
| 18:51.30 | Mr_Rabies | i don't see a way to, yet |
| 18:51.49 | Mr_Rabies | are there any other auction addons worth mentioning than auctionator and auctioneer? |
| 18:52.14 | Semlar | auctionlite |
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| 19:05.39 | Mr_Rabies | mannnn |
| 19:05.45 | Semlar | http://imgur.com/gallery/fUZhL |
| 19:05.46 | Mr_Rabies | the white kitten market crashed :( |
| 19:05.58 | Mr_Rabies | i was making a good 150g per kitten for a good while there |
| 19:07.53 | Mr_Rabies | argh |
| 19:08.04 | Humbedooh | u a kittenapper? |
| 19:08.05 | Mr_Rabies | i wonder how much it costs to buy a high level guild nowadays |
| 19:08.24 | Mr_Rabies | i want mobile banking and stuff :< |
| 19:08.30 | Mr_Rabies | for my bank alt |
| 19:10.16 | cbreak | Mr_Rabies: why do you want a high level one? |
| 19:10.33 | Mr_Rabies | <Mr_Rabies> i want mobile banking and stuff :< |
| 19:10.42 | cbreak | multiple low level ones should be sufficient? |
| 19:11.12 | Mr_Rabies | what |
| 19:11.56 | Mr_Rabies | that's uh...not how it works O_o |
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| 19:16.47 | karl_w_w | sure it is, you just merge guilds and the level adds up! |
| 19:44.54 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 19:45.02 | Mr_Rabies | man, i wish |
| 19:45.10 | Mr_Rabies | my realm has too many guilds and too few people |
| 19:45.50 | Mr_Rabies | i think, not including bank guilds, there's probably an average of 2-5 people per guild on my realm |
| 19:52.22 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies: I'm shocked that your boonies coppers don't have wraps saying 'PUT DOWN YOUR WEAPONS AND PREPARE TO BE JUDGED' |
| 19:52.54 | Mr_Rabies | i know some of those words |
| 19:55.40 | Semlar | i believe he called you a hick |
| 19:57.08 | smcn | i don't know how much guild exp scales but from 7 to 8 (and now 8 to 9) is like 4 days with basically just myself doing dailies at 90 |
| 19:58.58 | bleeter | Semlar: nah, Mr_Rabies said himself that he lives in the boonies. |
| 19:59.29 | bleeter | I have no idea what that is, I just reused the noun/adjective/idkw |
| 19:59.38 | bleeter | coughs |
| 20:00.13 | Semlar | the boonies are like backwoods middle of nowhere |
| 20:00.29 | Semlar | remote |
| 20:01.01 | Fisker | i'm crazy |
| 20:01.55 | Semlar | well, it's good that you can admit that |
| 20:03.30 | bleeter | 'Fisker' is Danish for 'crazy', yes? |
| 20:04.01 | bleeter | like 'Dick' is English for 'moron' |
| 20:04.21 | Semlar | dick doesn't mean moron |
| 20:04.27 | Semlar | it means asshole |
| 20:04.42 | bleeter | it doesn't mean donkeyhole |
| 20:04.47 | bleeter | silly silly enUS |
| 20:05.26 | Semlar | a contemptible person |
| 20:09.11 | Fisker | Fisker is Danish for wise man |
| 20:10.01 | Semlar | fisker is english for scissors |
| 20:10.58 | bleeter | :( part of australia's biggest optical telescope observatory have burned down http://images.smh.com.au/2013/01/13/3949406/art-703424512-620x349.jpg |
| 20:11.21 | Semlar | which part |
| 20:11.54 | Semlar | was it the telescope |
| 20:12.08 | Fisker | arsonists |
| 20:12.09 | bleeter | can't tell yet, still too dangerous to enter the area |
| 20:12.26 | Semlar | they didn't see it coming |
| 20:13.03 | foxlit | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EF_xdvn52As << I figured out why this song bugs me. |
| 20:13.09 | bleeter | "I have had what has to be a quintessential experience of the current era - watching a firefront pass through Siding Spring Observatory live via the internet, using all of the remote observing information we have on various telescopes, while getting simultaneous news and views via Twitter" |
| 20:13.11 | Semlar | because you hate everything |
| 20:13.25 | bleeter | ''I fear a lot of damage has been done … even if not the wholesale destruction we faced in 2003 at Mount Stromlo Observatory. " |
| 20:13.35 | foxlit | Semlar: harsh :( |
| 20:13.52 | Semlar | i calls it like i sees it |
| 20:14.07 | wereHamster | it seems to burn a lot in australia |
| 20:14.15 | bleeter | (those were quotes from our physics nobel laureate) |
| 20:14.16 | foxlit | The actual reason is that /everything/ is unsustainable per the second law. |
| 20:15.16 | bleeter | wereHamster: much of the ecology relies on a big burn every few years or so, a number of trees species only drop their seeds if you burn them |
| 20:15.40 | Semlar | yep that sounds like australia |
| 20:15.50 | kd3 | hell, forests in the US do that too |
| 20:16.12 | wereHamster | bleeter: it seems that the people in australia should be prepared for the fires then. Doesn't seem to be the case |
| 20:16.30 | kd3 | lots of trees need a burn to sprout seeds |
| 20:17.12 | Semlar | it's actually not that many different kinds of trees |
| 20:17.35 | Semlar | i think it's mostly pines |
| 20:17.38 | xyphoid | the aussies seemed pretty prepared for this set of fires |
| 20:17.45 | xyphoid | no casualties so far isn't it? |
| 20:17.47 | bleeter | Semlar: yeah, like the wollami pine |
| 20:17.57 | bleeter | or, for non pines, eucalyptus risdonii |
| 20:18.07 | bleeter | xyphoid: yeah one fire fighter died here last night |
| 20:18.15 | xyphoid | crap |
| 20:18.27 | bleeter | though they're saying natural causes |
| 20:18.46 | Semlar | nature just wants to watch the world burn |
| 20:19.16 | bleeter | wereHamster: you can't really ever be prepared enough for 100 metre tall walls of flame moving at 60 metres per second |
| 20:19.31 | bleeter | s/60/6/ |
| 20:19.48 | kd3 | I was gonna say... 6 m/s is bad enough, but 60? |
| 20:19.49 | Fisker | don't die bleeter |
| 20:20.22 | Semlar | just cover yourself in asbestos |
| 20:20.54 | bleeter | buncha homes that got burned out last week, authorities weren't letting people back two days after the fire past. local News Corp rag started beating up the story |
| 20:21.23 | bleeter | then the Health Dept came out and said 'well they're holiday homes form the 60's riddled with asbestos, sure you can go back but sign a cancer disclaimer first' |
| 20:21.33 | bleeter | last I heard, no one signed up |
| 20:21.46 | zenzelezz | go figure |
| 20:23.18 | bleeter | oh, also... lead pipes |
| 20:23.22 | Fisker | haha what? |
| 20:23.29 | Fisker | Retribution paladins bust is high but sustain damage is low compared to other classes, any chance on a buff on sustain dps? |
| 20:23.29 | Fisker | This is common feedback, but not sure how to fix. Wings to 10% or a 5 min timer? Ick? |
| 20:23.42 | Fisker | Your 2 best suggestions is nerfing burst damage without increasing sustainable damage? |
| 20:23.44 | Fisker | :o |
| 20:23.58 | Fisker | classic probably ghostcrawler |
| 20:24.01 | Fisker | yeah |
| 20:24.02 | Fisker | it was |
| 20:24.09 | foxlit | Fisker: you're being a Fisker :) |
| 20:24.31 | foxlit | It's easy to adjust sustained damage -- just flat-buff everything. |
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| 20:25.50 | foxlit | Figuring out what to do with your burst cooldowns is the far more interesting aspect of the problem. Do you keep their damage as is, but move to a longer timer so you aren't capable of burst quite as often? Do you nerf their damage, but make them available more often so as to reduce burst and increase sustained damage? |
| 20:26.35 | nevcairiel | in the past they usually did the second |
| 20:26.58 | Fisker | So you mentioned 2 possible solutions for sustainable damage |
| 20:27.02 | Fisker | 2 possible solutions for burst |
| 20:27.06 | Fisker | how is one more complex than the other? |
| 20:27.11 | Fisker | (it isn't) |
| 20:27.33 | foxlit | I don't recall saying anything about complexity :) |
| 20:27.45 | Fisker | you called it easy |
| 20:28.04 | Fisker | and then said that the real problem was figuring out burst damage |
| 20:28.08 | Fisker | so i think you did |
| 20:29.19 | foxlit | Okay, fair enough. I was misusing easy as an antonym for interesting. |
| 20:30.27 | Fisker | so nevcairiel |
| 20:30.30 | Fisker | got any surface pros for me? |
| 20:30.48 | foxlit | nevcairiel: on a feral druid, that second solution is painful. Compared to something like an elemental shaman, I don't feel like I can kill anything fast enough in the brawler's guild. |
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| 20:32.18 | foxlit | (anything is an overstatement; I'm mostly troubled by the leper gnomes.) |
| 20:33.10 | kd3 | I hit a brick wall in deeken, I need to go back and try again |
| 20:33.37 | foxlit | caster, I imagine? |
| 20:33.41 | kd3 | yah |
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| 20:45.21 | bleeter | here's one of the webcam pics from Stromlo Observatory as tweeted by the physics nobel laureate bloke https://twitter.com/cosmicpinot/status/290418157330522114 |
| 20:45.34 | kd3 | ! |
| 20:45.38 | bleeter | bunch of equipment seemingly overrun by embers |
| 20:46.04 | bleeter | @cosmicpinot had a bunch of pics in his stream, I picked that one out as I saw it on the telly |
| 20:47.38 | Semlar | appears to have been overrun by sillystring |
| 20:48.30 | bleeter | you never know... those craaazy physics guys! |
| 20:48.33 | bleeter | and gals |
| 20:51.44 | bleeter | 'as easy as perl to use' |
| 21:11.56 | Fisker | oh the humanity |
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| 22:02.08 | VIad | http://imgur.com/gallery/AqI3w |
| 22:06.17 | VIad | http://imgur.com/gallery/XVnjP impressive |
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| 22:48.31 | foxlit | I wonder if there is already a convenient module giving Lua access to the OS X keychain. |
| 22:50.09 | VIad | what is the keychain? |
| 22:50.25 | VIad | password storage? |
| 22:50.32 | foxlit | yes. |
| 22:52.51 | VIad | sounds fishy for apple to allow programs access to it |
| 22:52.59 | VIad | only to perhaps validate but not read |
| 22:53.10 | VIad | or perhaps manage their own private storage |
| 22:53.43 | VIad | just thinking about keyloggers, would be easier to steal passwords ^^ |
| 22:54.04 | VIad | isn't the apple OS like android phones, basically limiting the stuff you can run as you don't got root access? |
| 22:55.59 | foxlit | Applications don't generally run as root, yes. |
| 22:56.04 | tzarc | the OSX keychain asks if you want to allow each app access to certain passwords |
| 22:56.18 | VIad | I understand |
| 22:56.20 | Arrowmaster | and applications have to be able to access the keychain otherwise its completely useless |
| 22:56.34 | VIad | what about if you root your account? |
| 22:56.47 | VIad | can you do stuff to the OS that you usually can't? |
| 22:56.50 | Arrowmaster | you dont root accounts |
| 22:56.52 | VIad | install some nice stuff maybe? |
| 22:56.58 | Arrowmaster | root is its own account |
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| 22:59.23 | VIad | first heard of agent orange now |
| 22:59.26 | VIad | seems horrible |
| 22:59.49 | tzarc | yeah, nasty |
| 22:59.53 | tzarc | I see you've been on reddit |
| 23:00.03 | VIad | no :p |
| 23:00.08 | VIad | I don't use it |
| 23:00.26 | VIad | probably reposts |
| 23:00.33 | tzarc | hmmm, agent orange and chernobyl have been all the rage this weekend |
| 23:00.38 | VIad | but it's so irresponsible to use such agents |
| 23:01.06 | VIad | sounds more like something one uses to exterminate a species |
| 23:01.08 | VIad | not win a war |
| 23:03.24 | Arrowmaster | ~ping |
| 23:03.24 | purl | ~pong |
| 23:14.07 | VIad | always something new I learn that makes my piss boil |
| 23:20.07 | VIad | how did the US justify using chemical warfare to affect people like this? |
| 23:21.37 | xyphoid | well, they were also using napalm |
| 23:22.31 | VIad | but the agent affected civilian people, and their children :/ |
| 23:22.42 | VIad | long term |
| 23:23.48 | xyphoid | remember, this is the same period they were using DDT at home |
| 23:24.07 | VIad | what is ddt? |
| 23:24.14 | kd3 | ~wiki DDT |
| 23:24.37 | VIad | lots of wiki markup |
| 23:24.43 | kd3 | open the link |
| 23:24.57 | VIad | I know :P |
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