| 00:00.00 | Mr_Rabies | that IS different |
| 00:00.16 | VIad | btw my friend grew up on coca cola and says he thinks it only tastes good in norway :P |
| 00:00.27 | Mr_Rabies | the formulation's different everywhere |
| 00:00.32 | VIad | I paraphrase but he said it tastes like pee in the US :P |
| 00:00.39 | Neffi | It does |
| 00:00.45 | Mr_Rabies | based on regional tastes, local ingredients, laws, subsidies, etc |
| 00:01.06 | Neffi | but NYC pizza is in a different class. It's an entirely different style of pizza than you can find anywhere else in America, and even places that try to mimic it get nowhere close |
| 00:01.07 | Mr_Rabies | it tastes different in different PARTS of the US |
| 00:01.23 | Mr_Rabies | in the northern states, pepsi tends to taste better, but in the south, coca cola's usually better |
| 00:02.18 | Neffi | Surprisingly a lot of things are like that. Cigarettes between Michigan, Pennsylvania, Maine and NY are slightly different in taste and grade of smoke |
| 00:02.25 | Neffi | though NJ and NY are identical for most brands |
| 00:02.39 | Mr_Rabies | they'll all kill you though :p |
| 00:03.04 | Neffi | Yeah, yeah. Dec 21st was supposed to kill me too. |
| 00:03.16 | Unkle | NY and Chicago pizza are unique creatures. |
| 00:03.31 | Mr_Rabies | chicago pizza's got some great cheese |
| 00:03.31 | VIad | didn't know your pizzas were alive |
| 00:03.43 | Mr_Rabies | i've never had new york pizza |
| 00:03.48 | Unkle | We make you stalk and kill them in order to eat. |
| 00:03.53 | VIad | :P |
| 00:04.20 | Mr_Rabies | but chicago pizza's cheese is uniquely melty, i've only found a few places down here that can replicate the cheese properly |
| 00:04.41 | Mr_Rabies | that's why i'm confused about michigan |
| 00:04.49 | *** join/#wowuidev A-KO (as@2601:a:f00:1f:3cf3:1cd4:52fa:46ca) |
| 00:04.50 | *** join/#wowuidev A-KO (as@unaffiliated/a-ko) |
| 00:05.04 | Unkle | And on that note, home time. |
| 00:05.14 | Neffi | Michigan's best pizza is a half-step above Pizza Hut |
| 00:05.32 | Neffi | in other words take Pizza Hut and use real cheese instead of fake. |
| 00:05.42 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 00:05.52 | VIad | why is there a frequent dragon roar in terokkar forest? :/ |
| 00:05.57 | Mr_Rabies | it's uh |
| 00:06.12 | Neffi | NY on the other hand, I can't explain unless you've had it. It's more different than trying red wine after only ever hearing of white. |
| 00:06.19 | Mr_Rabies | the big bone dragon in dread wastes, or possibly murmur, vlad |
| 00:06.36 | VIad | the roar is there even if you kill the bone dragon with the quest |
| 00:06.46 | VIad | and, why make it roar so loud that you hear it everywhere in the zone? |
| 00:06.47 | pompy | VIad: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2228227274 |
| 00:06.49 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, it's just an environmental effect |
| 00:06.55 | Mr_Rabies | it's supposed to be one of those, though |
| 00:07.16 | VIad | but he roars even after killed? |
| 00:07.22 | Mr_Rabies | it's not tied into the model at all |
| 00:07.32 | Mr_Rabies | it's an environmental effect for the whole zone |
| 00:07.43 | Mr_Rabies | the npc doesn't actually make the sound |
| 00:07.45 | VIad | wonder what they thought when making this |
| 00:08.00 | VIad | didn't anyone on the team ask "what is the purpose?" :P |
| 00:08.15 | Mr_Rabies | it's just supposed to be this mysterious sound you hear from time to time until you encounter it |
| 00:08.38 | Mr_Rabies | the stealth sound-alike sound in grizzly hills is far more unsettling |
| 00:09.16 | VIad | annoying if you ask me :P |
| 00:09.43 | VIad | would be okay if it stopped once you finished the quest, and it would make sense :P |
| 00:10.07 | Mr_Rabies | well, keep in mind phasing was but a twinkle in blizzard's eye in tbc |
| 00:10.28 | Mr_Rabies | also he's a bone dragon |
| 00:10.35 | Mr_Rabies | they're not really all that well known for staying dead |
| 00:11.40 | bleeter | VIad: if it's in constant pour mode it's not a tap but a pipe |
| 00:11.44 | bleeter | bah |
| 00:11.46 | VIad | :3 |
| 00:11.47 | bleeter | scrolls down |
| 00:12.12 | VIad | so if I let my tap run it's a pipe? :d |
| 00:12.23 | VIad | how long does it have to run before it stops being a tap? |
| 00:12.45 | bleeter | probably until it rusts so that you can't turn it any more |
| 00:13.37 | Mr_Rabies | a tap is something that taps into a pipe/storage vessel with a valve to allow fluids to flow as desired |
| 00:13.59 | VIad | if I remove the regulation module while it's set to allow water to flow, it's enough to call it a pipe? :3 |
| 00:14.23 | bleeter | hey if the launcher says 'an internal error occurred, please restart' does it mean restart the launcher or the computer? |
| 00:14.36 | *** join/#wowuidev Ressy (~Ressy@unaffiliated/ressy) |
| 00:14.50 | VIad | your network router |
| 00:14.53 | VIad | and cellphone |
| 00:15.18 | VIad | jk bleeter, just restart the launcher |
| 00:15.23 | Mr_Rabies | pretty much, vlad |
| 00:15.38 | Mr_Rabies | the pipe now terminates at the end of the faucet |
| 00:15.45 | bleeter | VIad: jk? dang, I just restarted life! |
| 00:16.00 | Mr_Rabies | close the launcher, kill the agent process |
| 00:16.02 | VIad | :P |
| 00:16.04 | Mr_Rabies | restart the launcher |
| 00:16.07 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies: cheers, will try |
| 00:16.14 | VIad | what if you only have a pipe with no fauset? :P |
| 00:16.17 | Mr_Rabies | agent process is such a pain |
| 00:16.35 | VIad | and you control the water flow from your main valve, is then the pipe a tap? |
| 00:16.50 | Mr_Rabies | sure, why not |
| 00:16.58 | Mr_Rabies | it functionally is |
| 00:17.18 | Mr_Rabies | well, the valve's a tap |
| 00:17.52 | bleeter | nope, that didn't help. restarting the machine =) |
| 00:18.42 | Mr_Rabies | restart the earth |
| 00:18.50 | bleeter | flies backwards |
| 00:18.55 | VIad | restart your subscription |
| 00:19.07 | bleeter | flies backwards even faster |
| 00:19.19 | Dagmar | Have you tried turning your master breaker off and then on again? |
| 00:19.36 | VIad | have you tried deleting WTF and Interface folders? |
| 00:19.38 | Dagmar | Go ahead and flip that thing off and on again several times to make sure its' not stuck. |
| 00:19.53 | Neffi | pants->worn = false; comfort *= 2; |
| 00:20.00 | bleeter | hey I thought repair.exe was meant to still exist... |
| 00:20.14 | Neffi | bleeter: repair is integrated into the launcher now |
| 00:20.31 | Dagmar | It's sort of a matter of the way it populates it's files that it can't tolerate errors and will treat them like stale data. |
| 00:20.32 | bleeter | oh genius |
| 00:20.33 | Neffi | it's one of the background processes that can be seen in the task mgr IIRC |
| 00:20.41 | bleeter | so if the launcher's fucked... it won't repair itself |
| 00:20.42 | Neffi | except now that service breaks sometimes |
| 00:20.43 | Dagmar | Think of it like rsync, but with more blood elves. |
| 00:20.44 | Neffi | yes |
| 00:20.59 | bleeter | seriously, i wanna know the name of the middle manager who approved that |
| 00:21.03 | bleeter | they need a fucking star |
| 00:21.06 | VIad | :D |
| 00:21.13 | Dagmar | Louis B. Cypher |
| 00:21.13 | VIad | I agree |
| 00:21.24 | VIad | bleeter: I deleted WoW and downloaded all over again |
| 00:21.40 | VIad | because I didn't find a way to make it repair and validate |
| 00:21.43 | bleeter | VIad: I'm trying to avoid having to do that on 20 mahcines ;) |
| 00:21.48 | VIad | yeah |
| 00:21.49 | VIad | lol 20? |
| 00:21.55 | bleeter | in 40+ degree heat |
| 00:21.56 | VIad | you must have wow on each machine at home? |
| 00:21.57 | Mr_Rabies | i think you can do some kind of launch trigger dealio to run it in repair mode, bleeter |
| 00:22.00 | Mr_Rabies | but i can't rcall |
| 00:22.07 | VIad | rekall |
| 00:22.26 | bleeter | VIad: friend's brother runs a skate rink with floor for LAN parties and stuffs |
| 00:22.41 | VIad | you didn't complain that cinema tickets are too expensive yes? |
| 00:22.47 | VIad | otherwise no wonder with 20 machines lol |
| 00:22.54 | VIad | I live in norway and can afford only one :P |
| 00:22.59 | *** join/#wowuidev Semlar|Mobile (~chatzilla@72.188.127.100) |
| 00:23.37 | VIad | cheapest is 900$ for a gaming machine |
| 00:23.38 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies: thanks again, will hunt around |
| 00:23.58 | VIad | shit it's late |
| 00:23.59 | VIad | gotta sleep |
| 00:26.33 | Neffi | Does the 1st boss of BWL still require 2 people? |
| 00:26.37 | VIad | no |
| 00:26.52 | VIad | 5.1 made vanilla raids more soloABLE |
| 00:27.12 | VIad | incl. some few icc bosses |
| 00:27.18 | Mr_Rabies | how many of those wow instances are on windows, bleeter? |
| 00:27.20 | Neffi | The only new comment on Wowhead says you still need 2 people, hencehwy I'm looking for clarification |
| 00:27.29 | Neffi | because his comment may not take into account the chnge |
| 00:27.33 | VIad | done it solo with several chars so |
| 00:27.45 | bleeter | haha I love how this article is still calling it Launcher.exe https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/internal-error-pc\ |
| 00:27.45 | bleeter | https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/internal-error-pc |
| 00:27.50 | bleeter | (typo on first URL) |
| 00:27.52 | Neffi | VIad: The part where you need to mind-ontrol the boss? |
| 00:28.01 | VIad | you MC it yourself |
| 00:28.15 | VIad | and you clear out the mobs between channels, at least those near you |
| 00:28.20 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies: all |
| 00:28.22 | Neffi | awesome |
| 00:28.30 | Neffi | i can solo my bloodfang transmog =) |
| 00:28.50 | Mr_Rabies | you could delete the battle.net folder, hang on |
| 00:29.54 | Mr_Rabies | or... try this first |
| 00:29.59 | Mr_Rabies | run the launcher as an admin |
| 00:30.05 | Mr_Rabies | also, 20 instances of wow broke at the same time O_o |
| 00:31.11 | Mr_Rabies | if that doesn't work, try https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/deleting-the-battlenet-cache-folder-pc |
| 00:31.28 | VIad | blizzard could have added a repair option on the launcher |
| 00:31.34 | VIad | that cleared cache and such |
| 00:31.58 | bleeter | what |
| 00:32.00 | bleeter | you mean like |
| 00:32.04 | bleeter | a profile manager... |
| 00:32.10 | bleeter | like firefox... |
| 00:32.50 | VIad | I just mean a option that clears the files that are not stored in the game folder |
| 00:33.02 | VIad | and that would restart the launcher and force it to recheck stuff :P |
| 00:33.14 | Mr_Rabies | well |
| 00:33.14 | Semlar | well, i think i figured out why it's not patching the files |
| 00:33.21 | TC-work | twice now i have managed to bumble fuck my way into triggering expose on kde, but i can't find the damn keyboard shortcut. amazing. |
| 00:33.21 | Mr_Rabies | they could, but the launcher is in that folder :p |
| 00:34.00 | Mr_Rabies | well, no |
| 00:34.03 | bleeter | VIad: that' |
| 00:34.07 | Mr_Rabies | i guess the executable's in the wow folder |
| 00:34.14 | Mr_Rabies | so they could manage more easily |
| 00:34.18 | bleeter | VIad: that's kinda where the FF profile manager stuffs came from. cleaning up crappy addons, etc. |
| 00:34.20 | VIad | only the executable is and some of the files, it has more files in other folders |
| 00:36.00 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies: fwiw, deleteing the battle.net cache folder lets the launcher update itself... then it bugs out again |
| 00:36.07 | Mr_Rabies | what the heck |
| 00:36.14 | Mr_Rabies | is this the ptr launcher or the regular one? |
| 00:36.18 | bleeter | regular |
| 00:36.32 | Mr_Rabies | and 20 instances of wow did this at the same time? D: |
| 00:36.46 | bleeter | copied from a good working machine over to 3 of these other machines |
| 00:36.47 | bleeter | yes |
| 00:36.48 | Dagmar | Why exactly are we running 20 instances of WoW at once? |
| 00:36.50 | Mr_Rabies | what antivirus software do you use? :o |
| 00:36.59 | bleeter | I can't be arsed checking the other 17 (yet) |
| 00:37.11 | bleeter | Dagmar: it's a mate's ... LAN shop sorta thing |
| 00:37.15 | Dagmar | Ah |
| 00:37.25 | Mr_Rabies | that's really weird |
| 00:37.26 | Dagmar | Imma go out on a limb and say "DNS issue" |
| 00:37.43 | Mr_Rabies | wow usually handles itself well in that regard |
| 00:37.51 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies: agreed |
| 00:37.52 | Mr_Rabies | i moved my wow folder in about 10 seconds yesterday |
| 00:37.58 | Dagmar | ...or you've now got 20 machines ready to report usernames and passwords back to home base. |
| 00:38.01 | Mr_Rabies | move folder, run launcher as admin |
| 00:38.05 | Dagmar | Scan, scan, and scan again. |
| 00:38.29 | Mr_Rabies | start game, close game, run launcher as per normal, bam folder's moved and all the registry stuff's moved over too |
| 00:38.40 | bleeter | Dagmar: if someone's got inside my splipstreamed windows installer (or whatever they call it these days) then I'm really fscked ;) |
| 00:38.44 | Dagmar | If 20 failed at once, there's likely something preventing them from doing it correctly, and that something is probably crime. |
| 00:39.07 | Mr_Rabies | well, he copied the folder from one working folder |
| 00:39.17 | Dagmar | Oh you slipstreamed a reinstall of the machines? That should have wiped out bloody everything then. |
| 00:39.23 | Dagmar | ...and kudos to you for having that mechanism handy. |
| 00:39.40 | Mr_Rabies | and 3 machines he's tested all error in the same way |
| 00:40.20 | Mr_Rabies | also plenty of malware can get through reinstalls, but they're nowhere near as common as they used to be |
| 00:40.48 | Mr_Rabies | latching onto the boot sector, hiding out in hidden partitions, etc |
| 00:40.55 | Mr_Rabies | not likely the case here, though strange |
| 00:40.57 | bleeter | think I may be getting somewhere... inside the logs folder now. 'Client disconneted due to reason:14" |
| 00:41.11 | bleeter | anyone know what reason 14 is? |
| 00:41.34 | VIad | why don't the log just say the reason? :P |
| 00:41.41 | VIad | it already said so much |
| 00:41.43 | Mr_Rabies | try running wow.exe directly once bleeter |
| 00:41.58 | Mr_Rabies | instead of the launcher |
| 00:42.04 | Mr_Rabies | then closing it and reusing the launcher |
| 00:42.11 | Mr_Rabies | maybe it needs to build some files or something D: |
| 00:43.21 | Mr_Rabies | yeahhh might be dns |
| 00:43.31 | Mr_Rabies | other online applications work fine, bleeter? |
| 00:43.40 | Mr_Rabies | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3225624657 |
| 00:45.21 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies: thx, will try that. just got the game up by running wow.exe direct, haven't logged in or anything. I presume there's some checks before it displays the login screen |
| 00:45.38 | bleeter | so I'm a bit more confident the game files copied OK. just some bollocks Win Vista+ stuff going on |
| 00:47.16 | bleeter | launcher still no go. for shits and giggles I deleted all the log files, looks like launcher's now not even writing a logfile |
| 00:47.37 | bleeter | hmmm maybe I copied those logs from the 'working' machine.... nm |
| 00:48.41 | Dagmar | Sounds like an acls issue |
| 00:49.12 | Dagmar | setcacls.exe /omg /wtf /fixallthethings |
| 00:50.33 | Semlar | "Error opening file" is not a very helpful error |
| 00:51.59 | bleeter | here's an idea... crazy, I know. I'm gunna run the installer and point it at the existing directory and see how it feels about that |
| 00:52.12 | bleeter | anyone know if that's meant to trigger a repair check or not? |
| 00:52.39 | bleeter | ... '20GB to go' |
| 00:52.43 | bleeter | kicks dirt |
| 00:53.48 | Dagmar | Well, at least when it gets done you'll be able to clone that directory... probably. |
| 00:56.12 | VIad | Semlar: worst error ever is "File is busy" error :P |
| 00:56.21 | VIad | doesn't say why, what program or anything useful |
| 00:56.32 | Semlar | well at least you know what the error is |
| 00:56.40 | Semlar | this is basically just saying it didn't work |
| 00:57.02 | VIad | I don't see why not tell what programs are keeping it busy :( |
| 00:57.06 | Semlar | i need.. adys.. or somebody who knows what they're doing |
| 00:57.08 | Dagmar | Windows lulstactular flock() implementation |
| 00:57.31 | VIad | implying I don't know what I am doing :P ? |
| 00:57.38 | Dagmar | No, it's really lulstacular |
| 00:58.00 | Dagmar | It can happen just because another machine has had the file recently selected in the file manager over a CIFS share. |
| 00:58.09 | Dagmar | No joke. |
| 00:58.44 | Dagmar | Like, if Windows thinks it shoudl explore into the file more deeply to populate some metadata on the file browser screen, it'll invoke a lulstactular lock |
| 00:59.01 | sintAcks | I want an addon that adds info to the tooltip, saying what stat foods cooking ingredients go into |
| 00:59.36 | *** join/#wowuidev dano5_away (~dano5@208.79-160-124.customer.lyse.net) |
| 01:02.43 | bleeter | FUCK IT IN THE EAR |
| 01:02.45 | bleeter | reinstalls |
| 01:03.00 | VIad | :D |
| 01:03.03 | VIad | told you, lol |
| 01:03.07 | VIad | much easier |
| 01:03.10 | VIad | did it in like 30 min |
| 01:03.15 | VIad | 10MB> dl speed |
| 01:03.16 | bleeter | I'd rather deal with Firefall patching than this shit for the rest of the day :D |
| 01:03.53 | bleeter | still at 1.4MB here, hopefully 100MB end of year. |
| 01:04.17 | bleeter | although there's a proposal to remove all speed limits on thne aussie NBN so we'd all be 1GB sometime next year or something |
| 01:04.46 | pompy | http://www.facebook.com/nerdreactor/posts/551448298216482 |
| 01:26.28 | bleeter | I can't install WoW and D3 and SC2 at the same time? |
| 01:26.32 | bleeter | goes back to Steam |
| 01:29.35 | *** join/#wowuidev the-golem (~Darrin@c-98-255-33-113.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 01:29.56 | Ressy | You can, yes. |
| 01:30.37 | *** join/#wowuidev Darkchaos2 (~darkchaos@88.130.222.121) |
| 01:36.14 | bleeter | 'The WoW Launcher is already running, please close it before you start the D3 installer' (where WoW Launcher was me running the WoW Installer) |
| 01:37.41 | *** join/#wowuidev kurapica (~kurapica@58.247.109.243) |
| 01:37.57 | bleeter | ah well, least I have 1/4TB of data remaining to burn through in 6 days |
| 01:38.22 | Neffi | oh by the way |
| 01:38.28 | Neffi | fuck you for telling me you can solo the 1st boss |
| 01:38.42 | bleeter | oO |
| 01:39.02 | bleeter | suspects he may have been drunk |
| 01:39.29 | bleeter | Neffi: sorry, I can't recall that at all. Humble apols again. |
| 01:39.43 | Neffi | i dont remember who told me |
| 01:39.51 | Neffi | so i was saying it generally |
| 01:40.05 | bleeter | doesn't even know which 'first boss' you're referring to |
| 01:40.11 | bleeter | ut I'll apologise again :D |
| 01:54.34 | durcyn | razorgore? i solo it regularly, what's the problem you're having? |
| 01:56.26 | Neffi | Well I just soloed it, killed the eggs, adds despawned, then Razorgore ran back to his platform and AoE killed me |
| 01:56.30 | Neffi | no eggs alive. |
| 01:56.43 | Neffi | I dont remember that supposed to happening |
| 02:02.44 | bleeter | goes back to wondering why the Black Drake isn't |
| 02:03.54 | Mr_Rabies | what was his health like? O_o |
| 02:04.31 | Mr_Rabies | it's always been a pretty buggy fight |
| 02:04.39 | Mr_Rabies | i'd just try it again |
| 02:10.35 | kd3 | http://infiniteundo.com/post/25326999628/falsehoods-programmers-believe-about-time |
| 02:10.46 | F16Gaming | hm |
| 02:11.02 | F16Gaming | guy i know who owns an irc network i frequent just linked to malware on his own site... |
| 02:11.43 | bleeter | kd3: heh |
| 02:12.46 | bleeter | YAY 40 DEGREES CELCIUS WOOTS! |
| 02:12.56 | bleeter | tries to put more load on these machines while he can |
| 02:13.11 | kd3 | I was going to say "that's awfully damned hot", but then I remembeed what hemisphere you live in |
| 02:14.28 | bleeter | kd3: it's rather warm for 42 degrees south |
| 02:14.59 | bleeter | kd3: basically all the hot air is being sucked out of central australia down towards antarctica and it's only after it gets off our south coast that it really starts cooling |
| 02:41.28 | *** join/#wowuidev Caleb| (~Caleb|@2E6B909A.dsl.pool.telekom.hu) |
| 02:41.44 | *** join/#wowuidev Therzok (~Therzok@p16.eregie.pub.ro) |
| 02:43.22 | *** join/#wowuidev rapmoc- (rapmoc@it-funzocker.com) |
| 02:43.47 | *** join/#wowuidev wereHams1er (~tomc@azeroth.caurea.org) |
| 03:05.23 | *** join/#wowuidev Krapsy (~chatzilla@ool-4572cb11.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 03:16.09 | *** join/#wowuidev Dark_Elf (~Dark_Elf@h75-100-158-7.wdrnin.broadband.dynamic.tds.net) |
| 03:22.21 | F16Gaming | so that's what it does: http://i.imgur.com/ZlSKY.png |
| 03:28.07 | *** join/#wowuidev Dewin (~Daniel@c-76-28-131-143.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 03:35.24 | Dagmar | What... connects to a botnet? |
| 03:40.26 | *** join/#wowuidev bluworkcow (ca312226@gateway/web/freenode/ip.202.49.34.38) |
| 03:40.26 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v bluworkcow] by ChanServ |
| 03:43.15 | bleeter | haha http://coolstoryb.ro/ |
| 03:44.12 | *** join/#wowuidev dano5_away (~dano5@208.79-160-124.customer.lyse.net) |
| 03:51.03 | Semlar | hm, there's a new raid with 8 maps |
| 03:51.16 | kd3 | that's nothing. kara's got ~17 |
| 03:51.31 | Semlar | they're just called Area 1 - 8 right now apparently |
| 03:52.29 | Semlar | there's one for the deeprun tram too |
| 03:52.34 | Semlar | >_> |
| 03:52.39 | kd3 | just the sw side |
| 03:52.45 | kd3 | so they can show the brawlpub underneath it |
| 03:53.25 | Semlar | did they change something with dalaran because they added another dalaran map too |
| 03:53.30 | kd3 | http://wowpedia.org/Category:Coordinate-safe_maps has all of them - there's also http://wowpedia.org/Instance_maps which shows all of the instance maps in one handy location |
| 03:53.47 | kd3 | there's Dalaran and DalaranCity - they're both the same, just with different names |
| 03:54.12 | Semlar | they look the same but they have different area ids |
| 03:54.15 | kd3 | now, Stormwind and StormwindCity are different. the former is pre-4.0, the latter, after the shattering |
| 03:54.37 | End_ | might be related to the 5.1 quest chain? |
| 03:54.40 | kd3 | one of the dala maps is the area they use for the landfall quests where the alliance purges dalaran of the sunreavers and the horde saves them |
| 03:54.46 | Semlar | ah |
| 03:54.47 | End_ | yeah |
| 03:55.17 | End_ | dalaran is over water too |
| 03:55.21 | End_ | when you do those |
| 03:55.32 | kd3 | yeah. you can fall out of the tunnel in the underbelly too |
| 03:55.35 | kd3 | >.> |
| 03:55.41 | End_ | horde starts there |
| 03:55.41 | Semlar | good, good |
| 03:55.42 | End_ | and exits |
| 03:55.45 | End_ | now that I think about it |
| 03:55.55 | Semlar | immediately? |
| 03:56.23 | Semlar | *zones in, falls through the floor* |
| 03:56.23 | End_ | yeah when you talk to the guy to get teleported that's where you end up |
| 03:56.29 | End_ | oh no you don't fall normally |
| 03:57.00 | End_ | it's exactly like the normal dalaran except everybody is angry and dalaran is over water |
| 03:57.31 | kd3 | they put a copy west of westfall initally, but moved it to its own instance |
| 03:57.39 | End_ | haha |
| 04:24.04 | Dagmar | Odd. I must have missed some of the Landfall quests. |
| 04:29.00 | End_ | apparently |
| 04:30.41 | Thunder_Child | Is it a new thing that seemingly every time i loot a mob when i have another unlooted mob, the one i didn't just loot goes away? |
| 04:31.04 | kd3 | it's aoe loot. you'll loot all mobs within ~30 yards of the one you looted at the same time |
| 04:31.23 | Semlar | it probably just despawns the corpse after you've picked the one you're going to loot |
| 04:31.41 | Thunder_Child | ah, well that's nice....kinda wish they mentioned /that/ change |
| 04:31.52 | Thunder_Child | for people returning |
| 04:31.59 | kd3 | they did in patch 5.0.4 |
| 04:32.04 | kd3 | "Area of effect looting comes to World of Warcraft with this patch. After killing a group of enemies in close proximity, when you loot one of their corpses, the loot window will include items from all of the nearby corpses for which you have loot rights." |
| 04:32.18 | Thunder_Child | that's why i qualified it :) |
| 04:46.01 | *** join/#wowuidev Kraps (~chatzilla@ool-4572cb11.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 04:46.46 | bluworkcow | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:46.50 | bluworkcow | tangy! |
| 04:49.20 | Thunder_Child | always |
| 05:03.31 | Mr_Rabies | i still can't dodge devestating arc on will of the emperors |
| 05:03.34 | Mr_Rabies | what the hell |
| 05:03.37 | Mr_Rabies | :| |
| 05:03.56 | karl_w_w | you must be doin it wrong |
| 05:04.05 | Mr_Rabies | i am |
| 05:04.13 | Mr_Rabies | but i can't figure out how to do it right |
| 05:04.20 | Mr_Rabies | i feel like i can't move where i need to fast enough |
| 05:04.27 | Mr_Rabies | normally i have no problems with this kinda stuff |
| 05:04.49 | Mr_Rabies | i think it's partially because i can't see shit because the camera's stuck in an invisble wall most of the time |
| 05:06.15 | karl_w_w | have you read wowhead for tips? |
| 05:06.35 | karl_w_w | "In addition you can watch at his weapon, i.e. the boss holds his weapon over the left shoulder, he will swing it to his right." |
| 05:06.45 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 05:06.53 | Mr_Rabies | i just feel like i can't react fast enough |
| 05:07.03 | Mr_Rabies | normally i have no problems with that kind of stuff |
| 05:07.09 | Mr_Rabies | but the window to react is so small |
| 05:07.19 | *** join/#wowuidev kurapica (~kurapica@58.247.109.243) |
| 05:07.20 | Mr_Rabies | and i have to move so far |
| 05:08.28 | Mr_Rabies | i'm still not convinced our tanks are putting the bosses in the right place |
| 05:08.36 | Mr_Rabies | they basically center him in the circles on each side |
| 05:08.42 | Mr_Rabies | them* |
| 05:09.00 | karl_w_w | you're not a tank? |
| 05:11.52 | karl_w_w | http://www.lunacy-guild.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/WoWScrnShot_101512_204743.jpg is where they should be |
| 05:12.56 | Mr_Rabies | no, i'm melee dps |
| 05:13.34 | Mr_Rabies | i think that's a little farther out than where we go |
| 05:13.43 | Mr_Rabies | i can't really tell though |
| 05:13.49 | Mr_Rabies | are those markers centered in the circles on each side |
| 05:16.27 | karl_w_w | i dont know what you mean by the circles on each side :P |
| 05:19.22 | Mr_Rabies | the little indentations on the right and left of the pic |
| 05:21.40 | *** join/#wowuidev harl (harl@dslb-188-109-093-053.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 05:23.00 | karl_w_w | http://www.damnyouautocorrect.com/40490/asserting-his-manhood/ rofl |
| 05:24.52 | *** join/#wowuidev harl6999 (harl@dslb-188-109-095-218.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 05:27.42 | Mr_Rabies | even in lfr |
| 05:27.46 | Mr_Rabies | i get hit 4/5 times |
| 05:33.41 | Mr_Rabies | welp |
| 05:33.49 | Mr_Rabies | just took about 3.5 mil damage from them |
| 05:33.50 | Mr_Rabies | i don't know |
| 05:35.34 | Fisker | this is not happening bluworkcow |
| 05:37.21 | kd3 | http://twitter.com/Cmdr_Hadfield/status/286948264236945408 |
| 05:38.34 | Fisker | it happened kd3 :( |
| 05:39.22 | *** join/#wowuidev Semlar|Mobile (~chatzilla@72.188.127.100) |
| 05:49.08 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3 (~Kaydeethr@wowwiki/Kaydeethree) |
| 05:53.04 | *** join/#wowuidev rtharper (~tomh@unaffiliated/sioraiocht) |
| 06:04.48 | Fisker | tackles kd3 |
| 06:05.17 | karl_w_w | you're such a Fisker |
| 06:05.35 | Fisker | nope karl_w_w |
| 06:09.40 | Dagmar | kd3: holy shit that's hilarious |
| 06:17.31 | *** join/#wowuidev kurapica (~kurapica@li334-95.members.linode.com) |
| 06:18.18 | *** join/#wowuidev kurapica_ (~kurapica@58.247.109.243) |
| 06:33.11 | *** part/#wowuidev Seerah (~RyanNL@adsl-74-226-98-201.mem.bellsouth.net) |
| 06:36.40 | *** join/#wowuidev Nythoria (jordanlamb@027eefdd.bb.sky.com) |
| 06:37.20 | F16Gaming | http://i.imgur.com/EZ57n.png |
| 06:40.44 | karl_w_w | that's a good irc client |
| 06:41.05 | Semlar|Mobile | i don't understand the question |
| 06:41.20 | F16Gaming | question? |
| 06:44.25 | Semlar|Mobile | i thought he said what's a good irc client |
| 06:44.37 | F16Gaming | ah |
| 06:47.29 | Nythoria | i have just downloaded the game art from blizzard how do i change it and implement it into the game? |
| 06:48.59 | Nythoria | they are .blp files and i dont know which program to use to open them |
| 06:49.30 | Semlar|Mobile | they have to be converted into tga files |
| 06:49.40 | Nythoria | how do i do that? |
| 06:49.59 | Semlar|Mobile | or png files i think |
| 06:50.36 | Semlar|Mobile | the art is actually inside the client, you can extract it yourself instead of downloading it if you want |
| 06:51.00 | Nythoria | i have already downloaded it all now, along with all the lua files for the interface |
| 06:52.03 | Nythoria | can i get a program or something which converts all the blp files to a usable format |
| 06:52.27 | Semlar|Mobile | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6127-BLP2PNG.html i have no idea if this works |
| 06:53.34 | karl_w_w | oh i just found something out! |
| 06:53.58 | Semlar|Mobile | my condolences |
| 06:53.59 | karl_w_w | if you double click the task manager it goes into a sort of minimal mode |
| 06:54.23 | Nythoria | yh id does work thank you :D |
| 06:55.38 | *** join/#wowuidev Kodiack (~Colton@96-42-240-206.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) |
| 06:56.30 | *** join/#wowuidev Iriel (~Iriel@173-8-135-209-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 06:56.30 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 06:59.06 | Nythoria | does anybody know if it would be possible to complie a whole list of addons into one addon?? |
| 06:59.41 | pompy | huh? |
| 07:01.21 | Nythoria | like if you had a whole list of addons which you are using to make a completely custom UI would it be possible to edit the coding and compile all those addons down into one addon |
| 07:01.50 | pompy | negative. |
| 07:04.08 | karl_w_w | it would be possible, it'd just take ages and be pointless |
| 07:05.04 | ZorbaTHut | plus, depending on the licensing on the addons, it may not be legal to distribute in that form |
| 07:09.30 | karl_w_w | fuck off plugin container stop using 50% of my cpu |
| 07:11.16 | Nythoria | personally i dont really want to distribute it xD i want to make an addon which is personalised to me that i can update myslef on the new release of the game |
| 07:22.54 | *** join/#wowuidev Elkano (~elkano@pool015.vpn.uni-saarland.de) |
| 07:22.55 | *** join/#wowuidev Elkano (~elkano@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Elkano) |
| 07:29.20 | *** join/#wowuidev saidTheHuman (6cdb4c46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.219.76.70) |
| 07:30.13 | saidTheHuman | mind helping me out guys, I can't solve this problem with the first line of my code... -_- |
| 07:30.55 | saidTheHuman | I'm trying to get the spec for the player with this: specName= select(2,GetSpecializationInfo(GetSpecialization())) |
| 07:32.28 | saidTheHuman | I've tried it with the client /script tag and all, and it works, so I'm assuming it's gotta be in the loading process... |
| 07:32.40 | F16Gaming | when are you calling it? |
| 07:33.11 | saidTheHuman | very beginning of the addon, the first line. |
| 07:33.27 | F16Gaming | try calling it in the addon load event or something instead |
| 07:33.43 | F16Gaming | the data is probably not available at the time the file is loaded |
| 07:34.15 | saidTheHuman | Yeah that was my first guess, but when I write the function, it seems like it's being called when created, then any other time i call it... |
| 07:34.40 | F16Gaming | can you post your code? (pastebin.com) |
| 07:35.10 | F16Gaming | oh and player_entering_world might be better than addon_load |
| 07:36.17 | *** join/#wowuidev mitch0 (~mitch@drvolomdental.hu) |
| 07:36.44 | saidTheHuman | Yeah hold up, and yeah i thoguht player_entering_world might be good, but I'm using player_login as the function to start everything. But like i said it keeps calling the functions before they're called. let me post the code. |
| 07:37.33 | F16Gaming | i think player_login is discouraged by most, in favor of addon_loaded or player_entering_world |
| 07:39.41 | mitch0 | I just place all the important stuff in an OnUpdate() that gets reset to nil on first run |
| 07:39.43 | MysticalOS | i am finding nothing productive from google. how do you do a simple raid group number check? |
| 07:40.03 | bluworkcow | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:40.04 | zenzio | what do you mean by "number check"? |
| 07:40.05 | bluworkcow | :P |
| 07:40.14 | MysticalOS | check what group number you are in |
| 07:40.19 | F16Gaming | tonumber(var) != nil |
| 07:40.21 | bluworkcow | how many there and ready to raid |
| 07:40.23 | karl_w_w | wowpedia is giving me connection reset |
| 07:40.24 | F16Gaming | ~=* |
| 07:40.25 | bluworkcow | and in the raiding zone ? |
| 07:40.33 | bluworkcow | versus being in some other zone |
| 07:40.47 | MysticalOS | no, like i wan to know what group "player" is in. group 1-5 |
| 07:41.01 | MysticalOS | api wise, (obviously i can see it on roster) |
| 07:41.15 | F16Gaming | there are 8 groups |
| 07:41.24 | MysticalOS | gropus 6-8 don't interest me |
| 07:41.39 | MysticalOS | if i'm in one of those i'm sitting outside |
| 07:41.42 | F16Gaming | no love for those groups :( |
| 07:41.54 | zenzio | I'm not sure if there's a better way, could be -- but you could iterate 1-25, checking if unit "raidX" is the player |
| 07:42.37 | saidTheHuman | i posted the whole thing, i'm probably just gonna post it up somewhere eventually after development. notice, this is my first addon. here's the link http://pastebin.com/v1YPDTkj |
| 07:42.55 | karl_w_w | why have they still not fixed the guild roster achievement poiints? |
| 07:43.34 | saidTheHuman | btw ignore the 4 and 5th line i tried overriding it and forgot to delete that. |
| 07:45.03 | F16Gaming | you should initialize all those variables in player_entering_world |
| 07:45.14 | F16Gaming | also you don't need a separate frame for each event |
| 07:45.45 | F16Gaming | all those variables -> things that call the player api |
| 07:46.22 | saidTheHuman | thanks for the tips, how would i go about initializing those from player_entering_world, i've been looking for something related to that for about 5 hours now.. |
| 07:47.47 | kurapica | if you want use GetSpecialization for player, you need watch PLAYER_SPECIALIZATION_CHANGED events, it'll triggered after a few second when you log in the game. |
| 07:48.00 | kurapica | some player data not loaded in the beginning |
| 07:48.21 | F16Gaming | http://pastebin.com/fAdtpi0x |
| 07:48.34 | F16Gaming | just replace player_entering_world with player_specialization_changed |
| 07:48.43 | F16Gaming | uppercase of course :P |
| 07:51.06 | saidTheHuman | ohh thanks! also, is there any difference whatsoever in creating a function by native style (variable assignment style) instead of the function anIdentifer style (syntactic sugar style), would the native style cause the function to be triggered when created? |
| 07:51.28 | F16Gaming | they are equivalent afaik |
| 07:51.41 | F16Gaming | local foo = function() print("bar") end |
| 07:51.44 | F16Gaming | being the same as |
| 07:51.51 | F16Gaming | local function foo print("bar") end |
| 07:52.19 | F16Gaming | foo()* |
| 07:52.44 | saidTheHuman | yeah, I thought so, great. kinda got me thinking about javascript there... |
| 07:54.28 | bluworkcow | hahahha https://twitter.com/Sysadm_Borat/status/287048230607388672 |
| 08:10.16 | *** join/#wowuidev Monolit (~Strigoy@89.112.4.92.pppoe.eltel.net) |
| 08:13.47 | bluworkcow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/7415516765?page=1#10 |
| 08:13.51 | bluworkcow | lololololololol |
| 08:16.32 | zenzio | http://infiniteundo.com/post/25326999628/falsehoods-programmers-believe-about-time - time sucks |
| 08:20.30 | Fisker | so Stanzilla |
| 08:20.36 | Fisker | why are my vm's suddenly slow as fuck? |
| 08:21.05 | Fisker | WHAT THE FUCK |
| 08:21.30 | Fisker | ok i think i know why |
| 08:22.00 | Stanzilla | did you turn off hardware acceleration in the bios? |
| 08:22.03 | Stanzilla | mr Fisker |
| 08:22.20 | F16Gaming | i think i broke the vm... http://i.imgur.com/RTC6J.png |
| 08:22.45 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/VXoZn.png |
| 08:22.48 | Fisker | this shit makes no sense |
| 08:23.42 | Stanzilla | wtf disabled antia aliasing |
| 08:24.02 | bluworkcow | lolololol fisker |
| 08:24.07 | bluworkcow | your meters are making funny faces |
| 08:24.12 | Fisker | no Stanzilla |
| 08:24.13 | Fisker | rdp |
| 08:24.15 | Fisker | you dumb fuck |
| 08:24.16 | Stanzilla | ah |
| 08:24.16 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 08:24.19 | Stanzilla | you dumb fuck |
| 08:24.26 | Fisker | ah ok sry |
| 08:28.36 | bluworkcow | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:34.50 | Neffi | local function foo() end; is equivalent to local foo; foo = function() end |
| 08:35.00 | Neffi | ths difference is, foo() can "see" itself |
| 08:35.08 | *** join/#wowuidev Kalroth (~md@mail1.retailplanit.com) |
| 08:35.15 | Neffi | in: local foo = function() return foo end nil would be returned |
| 08:35.33 | Neffi | whereas in local function foo() return foo end it correctly returns itself |
| 08:35.40 | Neffi | saidTheHuman see above ^ |
| 08:38.30 | saidTheHuman | yeah got it |
| 08:42.28 | Stanzilla | holy dps http://i.imgur.com/kFLS5.jpg <3 |
| 08:49.14 | karl_w_w | what the Stanzilla |
| 08:49.35 | Stanzilla | =) |
| 08:51.15 | *** join/#wowuidev ZorbaTHut (~tocohl@maximilian.pavlovian.net) |
| 08:56.34 | *** join/#wowuidev Grum (~grum@82-197-193-241.fiber.tweak.nl) |
| 09:01.34 | *** join/#wowuidev Vilkku_ (~vilkku@unaffiliated/vilkku) |
| 09:04.09 | karl_w_w | http://www.pizzahut.com.au/hot-dog-stuffed-crust disgusting |
| 09:12.26 | Stanzilla | nom nom nom |
| 09:13.20 | *** join/#wowuidev bjelleklang (~chris@wikipedia/Bjelleklang) |
| 09:28.29 | karl_w_w | http://cheezburger.com/6930088448 I approve of this message |
| 09:34.38 | zenzio | hah, that's awesome |
| 09:43.07 | karl_w_w | http://bible.cc/deuteronomy/23-1.htm christians are loopy :D |
| 09:43.31 | karl_w_w | rofl @ the king james version |
| 09:47.03 | Mr_Rabies | "He that is wounded or mutilated in his secrets, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD." |
| 09:47.05 | Mr_Rabies | i found this funnier |
| 09:47.12 | Mr_Rabies | his secrets |
| 09:48.43 | zenzio | things I recently learned: just because you have "blueprints" (top, sides, front and back) of something does not mean it'll be easy to (3D) model |
| 09:49.58 | Mr_Rabies | reading plans is a total pain |
| 09:58.39 | Mr_Rabies | are they 2d plans or digital 3d ones, zenzio :o |
| 09:59.12 | zenzio | plain old 2D. In this case it's of a tank (the vehicle kind) |
| 10:01.50 | Mr_Rabies | hooboy |
| 10:01.52 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 10:01.54 | bluworkcow | i goes homes nows |
| 10:02.01 | Mr_Rabies | just reading plans for houses makes my head spin |
| 10:02.17 | Mr_Rabies | tanks are a lot more...technical than the exterior elevation plans of a house :p |
| 10:02.39 | *** join/#wowuidev mckenziemc (~Mark@adsl-69-106-181-122.dsl.chi2ca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 10:08.23 | *** join/#wowuidev Xandr (~Xandr@87-198-123-159.ptr.magnet.ie) |
| 10:14.42 | chiel | morning |
| 11:09.40 | *** join/#wowuidev Caribou| (~Caribou@208.2.21.93.rev.sfr.net) |
| 11:14.11 | *** join/#wowuidev brykrys (~chatzilla@cpc4-craw2-0-0-cust16.16-3.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 11:14.11 | *** join/#wowuidev brykrys (~chatzilla@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Dev/Brykrys) |
| 11:23.52 | *** join/#wowuidev smcn (~smcn@174-25-127-34.ptld.qwest.net) |
| 11:26.47 | *** join/#wowuidev Darkchaos (~darkchaos@88.130.222.121) |
| 11:37.43 | *** join/#wowuidev brykrys (~chatzilla@cpc4-craw2-0-0-cust16.16-3.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 11:37.44 | *** join/#wowuidev brykrys (~chatzilla@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Dev/Brykrys) |
| 11:40.01 | *** join/#wowuidev stolenlegacy (~stolenleg@unaffiliated/stolenlegacy) |
| 12:00.42 | *** join/#wowuidev g0urra (~g0urra@unaffiliated/gourra) |
| 12:16.42 | *** join/#wowuidev Log1x (Log1x@log1x.com) |
| 12:16.43 | *** join/#wowuidev Log1x (Log1x@unaffiliated/log1x) |
| 12:24.57 | zenzio | "This result, described today in Science, marks the gasÂ’s transition from just above absolute zero to a few billionths of a Kelvin below absolute zero." |
| 12:25.03 | zenzio | that's pretty close... |
| 12:28.01 | zenzio | "Hah, in your face Lord Kelvin!" |
| 12:28.58 | *** join/#wowuidev Darkchaos (~darkchaos@88.130.222.121) |
| 12:29.29 | *** join/#wowuidev A-KO (as@2601:a:f00:1f:a122:a132:689c:f355) |
| 12:29.29 | *** join/#wowuidev A-KO (as@unaffiliated/a-ko) |
| 12:56.37 | *** join/#wowuidev felipe` (~felipe@unaffiliated/felipe) |
| 12:57.05 | *** join/#wowuidev wereHamster (~tomc@unaffiliated/werehamster) |
| 13:02.23 | mitch0 | :) |
| 13:16.03 | Shirik | zenzio: Below absolute zero? |
| 13:17.20 | Sintacks | puts Fisker in absolute zero water |
| 13:17.37 | Maldivia | Shirik: sounds more like they defined absolute zero wrong :P |
| 13:26.38 | Shirik | sintAcks: There is no absolute zero water |
| 13:26.43 | Shirik | there's absolute zero ice |
| 13:28.07 | *** join/#wowuidev bjelleklang (~chris@wikipedia/Bjelleklang) |
| 13:29.28 | karl_w_w | http://www.nature.com/news/quantum-gas-goes-below-absolute-zero-1.12146 the comments clarify it a bit |
| 13:30.52 | *** join/#wowuidev alestane (~alestane@c-174-63-97-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 13:30.52 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v alestane] by ChanServ |
| 13:39.03 | Shirik | omg |
| 13:39.04 | Shirik | first 3 comments |
| 13:39.06 | Shirik | are epic |
| 13:39.09 | Shirik | if only youtube were like this |
| 13:42.18 | *** join/#wowuidev Mike-N-Go (~Mike-N-Go@206.162.237.238) |
| 13:42.33 | zenzio | someone on Slashdot cited Wikipedia as saying that there's actually nothing below absolute zero, it's just higher than infinite |
| 13:42.46 | karl_w_w | it makes no sense to me, which clearly means I don't know enough |
| 13:43.03 | karl_w_w | cos to me no temperature = atoms not moving at all |
| 13:43.04 | zenzio | I knew just from the "quantum" that I was going to understand nothing |
| 13:43.12 | karl_w_w | how can you have less than that |
| 13:43.18 | Mike-N-Go | heh |
| 13:43.35 | *** join/#wowuidev Xandr (~Xandr@87-198-123-135.ptr.magnet.ie) |
| 13:43.43 | zenzio | http://science.slashdot.org/story/13/01/04/0132223/quantum-gas-goes-below-absolute-zero - quality /. comments as always |
| 13:46.39 | *** join/#wowuidev Therzok (~Therzok@p16.eregie.pub.ro) |
| 13:49.17 | *** join/#wowuidev VIad (~Vlad@128.121.45.31.customer.cdi.no) |
| 13:49.47 | Shirik | karl_w_w: Moving negatively! |
| 13:56.24 | *** join/#wowuidev Kraps (~chatzilla@ool-4572cb11.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 13:59.00 | zenzio | http://imgur.com/PMz2m |
| 14:00.56 | *** join/#wowuidev Ressy (~resa1983@unaffiliated/ressy) |
| 14:04.24 | *** join/#wowuidev Lopeppeppy (~Lopeppepp@141.222.29.125) |
| 14:04.24 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Lopeppeppy] by ChanServ |
| 14:12.50 | alestane | bounces Peppy. |
| 14:13.20 | Lopeppeppy | Oh aye? |
| 14:15.07 | *** join/#wowuidev Hazal (~Mikkel@94.145.13.67) |
| 14:18.27 | karl_w_w | what the zenzio? |
| 14:26.42 | *** join/#wowuidev stolenlegacy_ (~stolenleg@unaffiliated/stolenlegacy) |
| 14:31.52 | *** join/#wowuidev Xinhuan (~xinhuan@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/xinhuan) |
| 14:33.31 | *** join/#wowuidev Nimhfree (~anonymous@65.183.138.34) |
| 14:41.48 | chiel | haste: where in the oUF code is the actual frame's PostUpdate function called? |
| 14:42.00 | chiel | just wanted to check waht arguments are actually passed to it. :) |
| 14:52.04 | Lopeppeppy | oUF does not argue, it discusses things rationally and with civility. |
| 14:54.08 | chiel | O.o |
| 14:54.15 | chiel | ..what? xD |
| 14:56.10 | *** join/#wowuidev Telshin (~textual@76.164.170.2) |
| 14:56.23 | Nimhfree | arguments -> argue :-) |
| 14:59.47 | Lopeppeppy | Makin' a joke. Tee hee, funny. |
| 15:09.33 | *** join/#wowuidev Mihau (~Mihau@76.164.170.2) |
| 15:12.19 | chiel | pats Lopeppeppy |
| 15:12.22 | chiel | :D |
| 15:20.00 | karl_w_w | Fisker where is my nexus 4? |
| 15:21.05 | karl_w_w | and how in the hell does it take them so long to build them? |
| 15:23.11 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaifF3KiYF0 not enough children |
| 15:28.23 | *** join/#wowuidev rtharper (~tomh@unaffiliated/sioraiocht) |
| 15:35.19 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3 (~Kaydeethr@wowwiki/Kaydeethree) |
| 15:56.09 | Arrowmaster | pompy: the 9 on my xbl profile finally switched to a 10 today |
| 16:00.13 | *** join/#wowuidev Unkle (~mconverse@50-0-113-124.dedicated.static.sonic.net) |
| 16:01.59 | Fisker | why would i give a fuck karl_w_w ? |
| 16:08.30 | foreplay | I don't suppose theres an event to register that'd allow you to know when you pass near an object, is there? |
| 16:08.44 | Arrowmaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:08.45 | Neffi | define "pass near an object" |
| 16:09.10 | Unkle | define "object" |
| 16:09.30 | foreplay | like, a patch of dark soil, or something like that |
| 16:09.32 | Neffi | ~define define |
| 16:09.32 | purl | Use ~dict for definitions. |
| 16:09.34 | kd3 | no |
| 16:09.41 | kd3 | the ui doesn't expose that information |
| 16:10.22 | kd3 | if something appears on the minimap it's drawn directly on the minimap by the game and not the ul layer |
| 16:10.29 | Neffi | if an object is trackable, there's a quastionable way to throw your own events |
| 16:12.04 | Unkle | Chests, dark soil, widgets and doodads in dungeons, etc. only tell your client anything about themselves when the mouse is over them. (Other than what's required to draw them on the screen that is) and the UI layer can't really do anything to alert you to their presence. |
| 16:12.46 | Neffi | except scan the minimap |
| 16:13.04 | Neffi | move it across the mouse's location, look for a tooltip, throw an event when one is found |
| 16:13.07 | Unkle | Dark soil doesn't show on the minimap. |
| 16:13.15 | Neffi | aye, but other objects do |
| 16:13.31 | Neffi | the solution is obviously ugly, visually disturbing to the user, and unreliable. but possible. |
| 16:13.35 | Arrowmaster | and thats a very dirty hack |
| 16:13.42 | Unkle | And computationally expensive. |
| 16:13.53 | Neffi | I disagree |
| 16:13.57 | karl_w_w | happy birthday Arrowmaster! |
| 16:13.59 | Neffi | doesn't seem all that computationally expensive |
| 16:14.09 | karl_w_w | the big double figures ey? |
| 16:14.15 | Arrowmaster | karl_w_w: huh? |
| 16:14.15 | Neffi | 90% of what you're doing is just dispatching C callouts. |
| 16:14.19 | Arrowmaster | its not my birthday |
| 16:14.28 | karl_w_w | <Arrowmaster> pompy: the 9 on my xbl profile finally switched to a 10 today |
| 16:14.51 | Arrowmaster | thats account tenure |
| 16:15.27 | karl_w_w | oooh symphony flash sale |
| 16:16.05 | karl_w_w | i thought they were meant to email you when stuff on your wishlist goes on sale |
| 16:16.52 | |Jelly| | They have for me, although it's usually a couple [read: up to ~8] hours after it goes on sale. |
| 16:18.09 | |Jelly| | But usually, it's been in the 2-3 range. Maybe I'm just mad about the once it took forever. |
| 16:19.35 | Arrowmaster | i get the emails after ive already bought the items |
| 16:21.09 | Unkle | Really, one of these days I need to login to my steam account |
| 16:21.30 | Lopeppeppy | Nev-ar. |
| 16:21.48 | |Jelly| | Don't until tomorrow at 10PST lest you disappear from the face of the earth. |
| 16:22.53 | foxlit | "Neffi: move it across the mouse's location, look for a tooltip, throw an event when one is found" << are you sure that tooltips appear immediately upon repositioning the minimap? |
| 16:23.15 | Arrowmaster | at one time that worked |
| 16:23.20 | Arrowmaster | no clue if it still does |
| 16:23.23 | Neffi | they don't, which is why it's visually disturbing |
| 16:23.42 | Neffi | you'll have to allow time for the minimap to be constantly redrawn at different locations each onupdate |
| 16:24.02 | Neffi | also note: if you're on a level 30 alt going for that tin vein, it's not a good idea to attack the 90 that got there first |
| 16:24.16 | Neffi | i really thought i'd get it |
| 16:25.28 | Neffi | the way I see it: it shouldnt take more than 1 OnUpdate cycle for the tooltip to appear, and the blips themselves are not 1px large, so you can probably scan the full minimap in 2 frames |
| 16:26.39 | foxlit | I think you missed a zero. |
| 16:26.40 | foxlit | or two. |
| 16:26.41 | Torhal|work | So basically SCAN EVERYTHING! |
| 16:27.47 | Neffi | foxlit: scale the minimap down reasonably small, and consider that each blip is like 8x8px |
| 16:27.52 | Neffi | you can do it in just a few frames |
| 16:28.06 | Neffi | later on i'll write a proof-of-concept |
| 16:28.55 | Neffi | oh yeah, I meant 2 seconds |
| 16:28.59 | Neffi | sorry, i just woke up |
| 16:33.24 | Neffi | another tought on this |
| 16:33.40 | Neffi | it might be possible to use a 2nd minimap with alpha@0, so as to not disturb the user at all |
| 16:39.36 | Neffi | lol it's even more doable than expected |
| 16:40.05 | foxlit | Write code first, proclaim how doable it is later :) |
| 16:40.09 | Neffi | Minimap blips are 20px x 20px regardless of scale, so if you scale the minimap down far enough and just place it under the cursor, it will always catch the blip |
| 16:40.26 | Neffi | I just did some rudimentary coding and it works to an extent |
| 16:41.29 | *** join/#wowuidev Log1x (Log1x@unaffiliated/log1x) |
| 16:42.02 | foxlit | It should work, but it's also obvious to the point that they should've broken it by now. |
| 16:42.34 | Neffi | all the workings are there. i see no capability to break it without breaking some very basic parts of the frameXML |
| 16:43.08 | Shirik | sigh |
| 16:43.18 | Shirik | noticed that my flight is scheduled one day too early |
| 16:43.28 | Shirik | so either pay a $150 change fee or book a hotel for that one day for $150 |
| 16:43.32 | Shirik | which do I pick |
| 16:44.17 | foxlit | $150/day hotels should be nice, yeah? |
| 16:44.24 | nevcairiel | Neffi: if they really want to break it, they will find a way, breaking every minimap addon in the process, so stop exploiting the fucking game already |
| 16:44.36 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 16:44.39 | Fisker | hey nevcairiel :( |
| 16:44.42 | Fisker | my VM's are acting odd |
| 16:44.58 | Fisker | my disks can only do like 2MB/s Read/Write if 3 of them are running |
| 16:44.59 | Neffi | clever use of game mechanics |
| 16:45.00 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 16:45.12 | Shirik | you should open the hard drive cover |
| 16:45.15 | Shirik | it helps it get more air |
| 16:45.17 | Fisker | yes Shirik |
| 16:45.20 | Fisker | good idea |
| 16:45.26 | End_ | I seem to recall that this proof of concept was shown a long long time ago |
| 16:45.35 | Shirik | foxlit: It is a hyatt |
| 16:45.35 | End_ | I thought something came of it to prevent it |
| 16:45.37 | End_ | but maybe not |
| 16:45.43 | Shirik | I'm annoyed because I'm staying at the hyatt and it's paid for |
| 16:45.48 | Neffi | In all seriousness, nev is probably right. It's probably a better idea if I don't finish this. |
| 16:45.50 | Shirik | but if I go that early I have to pay for one day :( |
| 16:46.14 | nevcairiel | why did you screw up your travel plans anyway |
| 16:46.30 | foxlit | It's a very easy thing to break: simply don't update mouse-related things unless the mouse actually moved. |
| 16:46.49 | foxlit | i.e. don't show tooltips, don't fire OnEnter/OnLeave if those are caused by a frame being repositioned rather than the cursor being moved. |
| 16:47.29 | nevcairiel | so for it to work the user has to fly around and move the mouse? :d |
| 16:47.52 | Neffi | hell, some people are really fking competitive with ghost iron and trillium. they'd be down to jerk the mouse off. |
| 16:48.06 | Shirik | nevcairiel: Because I failed at reading |
| 16:48.22 | Neffi | but yeah, I'm not interested in releasing something into the wild that would spark a reaction from blues |
| 16:48.23 | Shirik | the recent wow tcg events have been 4 days (thursday-sunday) but this one is 3 days (friday-sunday) |
| 16:48.31 | Shirik | so I instinctively booked my flight for wednesday |
| 16:49.12 | foxlit | could also fix collision detection on minimap blips so that you can't scan through the whole map quickly, and add a delay between repositioning the minimap and having working blip tooltips. |
| 16:49.43 | Neffi | foxlit, want something to do? |
| 16:50.21 | Neffi | foxlit: implement btn:N conditionals on OPie so I can use things like right-click teleport, left-click portal on my mage |
| 16:50.28 | foxlit | no. |
| 16:50.32 | Neffi | =( |
| 16:50.40 | Neffi | will you accept a patch for it? |
| 16:50.44 | foxlit | no. |
| 16:50.49 | Neffi | h'ok |
| 16:51.01 | Neffi | if you change your mind, i'm gonna implement it on my copy |
| 16:51.14 | foxlit | Lots of fun! |
| 16:51.32 | foxlit | But wouldn't it be quicker to rig something like Bartender to do it? |
| 16:51.52 | foxlit | Press one hotkey to make a bar appear, press another to hide it, right click on buttons all day if you wish? :) |
| 16:51.58 | Neffi | Perhaps |
| 16:52.23 | kd3 | eh, I've already gotta hit alt-g to pop the teleport ring. what's hitting shift or control at the same time to get the portal ring instead? |
| 16:52.24 | Neffi | but I love OPie a lot. even the little things like its ring animation make me happy. action bar addons on the other hand, I don't ever use. |
| 16:53.03 | Neffi | kd3: Everything is keybound. I have no buttons. So all modifiers are in use on pretty much all buttons. |
| 16:53.32 | foxlit | so press the ring binding first and a modifier key later. It'll still work :) |
| 16:53.46 | Neffi | that's what I'm currently doing. |
| 16:53.53 | Neffi | it's just a small QOL change I'd like to see |
| 16:54.17 | Neffi | anyway, afk. |
| 16:58.09 | *** join/#wowuidev Droolio (~drool@host81-151-22-130.range81-151.btcentralplus.com) |
| 17:04.12 | foxlit | Neffi: on second thought, I'd accept a part of that patch. |
| 17:15.40 | *** join/#wowuidev karl_w_w (~karl@61.116.96.58.static.exetel.com.au) |
| 17:16.14 | karl_w_w | wow that is fantastic, install symphony and it forces a system restart without any sort of warning at all |
| 17:20.12 | *** join/#wowuidev Droolio (~drool@host81-151-22-130.range81-151.btcentralplus.com) |
| 17:30.00 | *** join/#wowuidev karl_w_w (~karl@61.116.96.58.static.exetel.com.au) |
| 17:30.13 | *** join/#wowuidev Yoshimo (~Miranda@p5B04D41C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 17:32.53 | Neffi | foxlit: What do you mean, a part? |
| 17:33.52 | *** join/#wowuidev Elkano (~elkano@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Elkano) |
| 17:37.26 | *** join/#wowuidev Kalroth (~Kalroth@d40aa5af.rev.stofanet.dk) |
| 17:41.10 | chiel | Neffi: btw, regarding your slanted bars.. does that work with statusbars as well? |
| 17:41.29 | Neffi | no, it was made using a texture |
| 17:41.48 | chiel | aha, but how would you update the value of it? |
| 17:41.55 | Neffi | well i could grab the texture object from a statusbar and do it, but :SetValue wouldn't work as-is, because it requires logic to keep it slanted at the correct angle |
| 17:42.09 | Neffi | manually :SetWidth, and recalculate :SetTexCoord args |
| 17:42.19 | chiel | ah, does statusbar just use a texture under the hood? |
| 17:42.25 | chiel | i had no idea :) |
| 17:42.26 | Neffi | but I ran into a major issue: the double-floats are not accurate enough |
| 17:42.34 | chiel | oh, annoying |
| 17:42.36 | Neffi | the angle doesn't keep at very small vaues |
| 17:42.43 | chiel | hmm.. |
| 17:42.49 | Neffi | eg, at 10% bar length, the angle is skewed horribly |
| 17:43.04 | Neffi | I suspect SetTexCoord is using floats internally instead of doubles |
| 17:43.11 | nevcairiel | eh doubles are accurate enough, there must be something else :p |
| 17:43.17 | Neffi | mhmm |
| 17:43.18 | nevcairiel | even doubles get you at least 10 digits of precision |
| 17:43.20 | nevcairiel | eh |
| 17:43.21 | nevcairiel | floats |
| 17:43.27 | Neffi | I toyed with it a lot, and it seems to be an issue with the API |
| 17:43.27 | nevcairiel | how much do you need? :p |
| 17:43.36 | Neffi | apparently more |
| 17:43.52 | Neffi | i erased the code so I couldn't paste it, but the issue I'm fairly certain was an API limitation |
| 17:44.10 | Neffi | Anyway, chiel, if you're interested I've still got a few tricks up my sleeve to enable slanted bars |
| 17:44.13 | nevcairiel | its possible the API has some flaws, but i dont think its the floats =) |
| 17:44.20 | Neffi | one of them would allow me to use status bar textures without modifying them |
| 17:44.25 | Neffi | and preserving how they look |
| 17:44.42 | chiel | Neffi: yea i was just curious really, it spices things up a bit i suppose rather than the standard rectangular bars |
| 17:45.14 | *** join/#wowuidev karl_w_w (~karl@61.116.96.58.static.exetel.com.au) |
| 17:45.31 | Neffi | My next attempt is going to be to slice the bar into 1px horizontal pieces to make up the full height manually. This guarantees pixel precision, and allows me to manipulate SetTexCoord to paint a status bar texture on the slant without skewing the texture |
| 17:46.00 | chiel | hopefully i will get some time to play with my raid frames tonight, i've been cleaning up a fair bit |
| 17:46.04 | kd3 | sigh |
| 17:46.12 | kd3 | <3 you TSA. keep up the good work |
| 17:46.16 | Neffi | which I'm liking a lot more, because it allows me to beautify the bars without getting into ridiculously complex trig calculations to preserve the texture |
| 17:46.17 | kd3 | http://www.11alive.com/news/article/270936/40/Toothbrush-causes-commotion-at-Atlanta-airport |
| 17:46.29 | chiel | still trying to figure out how to best differentiate between roles in the config though |
| 17:46.47 | Neffi | chiel: What do you mean? Maybe I can give some feedback |
| 17:47.06 | TC-work | "Police temporarily stopped trains from coming into the airport while they investigated between 7:50 and 8:15 a.m." err, what? |
| 17:47.16 | TC-work | trains go through the airport? |
| 17:47.18 | chiel | Neffi: well basically when i am on my healer i want my raidframes to be larger |
| 17:47.19 | chiel | hang on |
| 17:47.29 | Neffi | most addons support profiles |
| 17:47.38 | kd3 | the marta line stops at the main terminal |
| 17:47.38 | Neffi | and IMO, DPS don't need raid frames |
| 17:47.46 | chiel | tank does :) |
| 17:47.51 | Neffi | true |
| 17:47.58 | Neffi | less-so |
| 17:48.00 | chiel | but i like seeing how my raid is doing regardless of role |
| 17:48.08 | Neffi | in fact I used to get by fine without them |
| 17:48.08 | chiel | since i lead raids |
| 17:48.16 | chiel | so i like to see healers' mana etc |
| 17:48.33 | End_ | I need to see dead people :< |
| 17:48.42 | kd3 | the transit line comes in from the left across the interstate: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/Atlanta_Hartsfield-Jackson.jpg |
| 17:48.43 | End_ | (soulstone) |
| 17:48.58 | chiel | Neffi: anyway, this is the basic config: https://gist.github.com/1ae9cf11c1cc9dd6677c |
| 17:49.23 | chiel | basically, if i am on my healer i want to be able to say that the raidframes should be larger, for example |
| 17:49.25 | Neffi | what is this config for? |
| 17:49.30 | kd3 | toward the background, not closer to the foreground (which is a different train connecting to the car rental complex) |
| 17:49.31 | Semlar | neffi i used raid frames as every class because i liked to know what the status of the raid was |
| 17:49.37 | chiel | just for this addon i am working on |
| 17:49.40 | chiel | (for personal use) |
| 17:50.02 | chiel | anyway, the annoying thing is that a player's role is not known until the PLAYER_LOGIN event |
| 17:50.04 | Neffi | at the end add something like: if class == 'somehealer' then config.unitframes.raid.width = N end |
| 17:50.05 | TC-work | kd3: that seems to be nowhere near the terminal |
| 17:50.05 | Neffi | etc |
| 17:50.11 | Semlar | you don't need raid frames if you have something that shows you like how many people are dead and stuff though |
| 17:50.14 | chiel | because talent info is not available until then |
| 17:50.24 | durcyn | chiel: there are limits to the number of variables that can exist in a given scope, hence do/end blocks |
| 17:50.25 | chiel | Neffi: yes, i wanted to do overrides like that indeed |
| 17:50.41 | chiel | durcyn: ah, fair enough.. what is that limit? |
| 17:50.42 | Neffi | Ah. You might need to inspect the addon core and try to hook things as necessary |
| 17:51.05 | Neffi | 200? |
| 17:51.14 | chiel | yea, one thing i was considering is listening to a few events like player login, and when player spec changes (dual spec) |
| 17:51.18 | chiel | and then update the config |
| 17:51.23 | chiel | so it would be somewhat dynamic |
| 17:53.10 | chiel | the annoying thing then is that i'd want to save the defaults somewhere, but assigning stuff just creates a reference in lua |
| 17:53.14 | chiel | so.. that should be interesting :p |
| 17:53.31 | Xzempt | hmm, can't i use CastSpellByID in a menu? |
| 17:54.43 | foxlit | Neffi: one does not simply patch OPie. |
| 17:55.05 | foxlit | Rather, one patches a lot of things. Some of those are more interesting than others :) |
| 17:55.30 | Neffi | functions have a limit of 60 upvalues, at least in the WoW env |
| 17:55.35 | Neffi | testing block scope now |
| 17:56.18 | Neffi | main function has a limit of 200 |
| 17:56.39 | *** join/#wowuidev rtharper (~tomh@unaffiliated/sioraiocht) |
| 17:56.51 | chiel | seems like a higher limit i would ever use anyway |
| 17:57.05 | End_ | Xzempt: that's protected |
| 17:57.24 | Neffi | Well, when I wrapped the whole in a do block, it still claimed the MAIN function's limit was 200 |
| 17:57.26 | End_ | only secure code can call it, such as the restricted environment, or blizzard's code |
| 17:58.10 | Neffi | when I wrapped each individial one in its own do block, WoW froze (probably compilation time iterating up to 10000), but based on the error message I got it seems like the 200 limit is enforced across blocks |
| 17:58.23 | chiel | hmm |
| 17:58.34 | Neffi | lol, it finished compiling |
| 17:58.46 | chiel | i try to split my code over multiple files, would that still cause complications? |
| 17:59.07 | chiel | still doubt i'd reach 200 variables, but still... :p |
| 17:59.25 | chiel | anyway, back to the config dilemma.. does lua have some kinda "clone" method? |
| 17:59.28 | durcyn | it should be per-file. |
| 17:59.32 | Neffi | nevermind, the limit is per block |
| 17:59.41 | Neffi | so wrapping in do blocks does indeed save you from the limit |
| 17:59.44 | chiel | ah well, then i should definitely be fine :) |
| 18:00.03 | Neffi | just remember, 200 locals per block, 60 upvalues per closure |
| 18:00.28 | Semlar | i've hit the upvalue limit before :\ |
| 18:00.30 | Neffi | chiel: What are you trying to clone? |
| 18:00.36 | Neffi | Semlar: That's bad =( |
| 18:00.40 | chiel | Neffi: a table |
| 18:00.48 | Semlar | i don't remember what i was doing |
| 18:00.49 | kd3 | TC-work, http://kaydeethree.net/i/Atlanta_Hartsfield-Jackson-marked.jpg |
| 18:00.51 | chiel | the config table i just showed you, to be precies |
| 18:00.54 | chiel | precise* |
| 18:01.07 | Neffi | function table.copy(t) local n = {}; for k,v in pairs(t) do n[k]=v; end; return n; end |
| 18:01.15 | Neffi | might want to check for metatable |
| 18:01.25 | chiel | ah |
| 18:01.48 | Neffi | if there's a metatable, you may want to unset it, copy, re-set it |
| 18:01.52 | Neffi | otherwise it fucks with the values |
| 18:01.56 | Neffi | (may) |
| 18:02.08 | chiel | when i log in initially in, say, my mistweaver spec i want it to detect that and override the config and render my raidframes larger and whatnot. then if i switch to my dps dual spec, i want it to reset to the defaults |
| 18:02.26 | chiel | so i want to keep a "backup" if you will, of the original values |
| 18:02.32 | Neffi | chiel: The problem is, the addon may render the config table before that, and then not touch it again |
| 18:02.35 | Neffi | which is likely |
| 18:02.41 | TC-work | kd3: hmm...ok, that makes more sense. On the otherhand the terminals in the middle of the field seem odd. Underground transportation between them? |
| 18:02.50 | TC-work | other hand* |
| 18:02.53 | Neffi | you'll need to inspect the addon core and see if you can hook the function that actually builds the frames, and manually repaint them as necessary |
| 18:02.54 | kd3 | yeah, there's an underground rail line that connects all of the terminals |
| 18:02.56 | chiel | yea, i know, which is why i would fire some event saying "hey, the config updated" |
| 18:03.08 | Neffi | if the addon core supports that, which is doubtful |
| 18:03.14 | chiel | Neffi: well, i made all this myself, so i can definitely do that |
| 18:03.19 | Neffi | ohh |
| 18:03.36 | chiel | i'm just trying to think of what the easiest way to handle this problem would be, that's all :) |
| 18:03.45 | chiel | it's not an existing addon, nor will i ever publish this |
| 18:04.04 | Neffi | what I would do is, |
| 18:04.22 | kd3 | the crazy thing is, detla's gotten so big, they take all of the terminals from the main terminal (T-gates) out to the C terminal and then have about half of D |
| 18:04.39 | Neffi | Support multiple config tables denoted by role, and then any event which denotes that a role changed, rebuild it. What problem are you running into? |
| 18:04.44 | kd3 | all of the rest of the (domestic) airlines coming in have what's left of D and E |
| 18:05.15 | TC-work | Is that their hub? |
| 18:05.18 | kd3 | yah |
| 18:05.21 | chiel | Neffi: no problem yet. before i simply had something like: config.healer. .... etc |
| 18:05.24 | TC-work | well that makes sense then |
| 18:05.28 | chiel | and then have frame sizes in there |
| 18:05.41 | pompy | Arrowmaster: nice, what does that mean |
| 18:05.55 | Arrowmaster | 10 year member |
| 18:05.56 | Lopeppeppy | Poor kd3, that's an airport to be reckoned with. |
| 18:06.04 | chiel | the reason i don't entirely want to do this is because you might want to do something based on, say, class, rather than role |
| 18:06.28 | kd3 | I've spent more time than I care to admit in that airport >.> |
| 18:06.42 | Lopeppeppy | Probably usually running, if I remember right. |
| 18:07.01 | Neffi | chiel: You can generalize the system, so that it can respond to a few events |
| 18:07.04 | Neffi | do something like: |
| 18:07.23 | kd3 | not unless the TSA's doing a bad job at security (when are they not?). thankfully I don't have to make connections out of here |
| 18:07.34 | pompy | kd3: a roadway that goes under a runway? |
| 18:07.36 | pompy | crazy |
| 18:07.47 | kd3 | that's I-285, the beltway |
| 18:07.50 | Neffi | allow unlimited configs. one is the "base" config which is default. all other have a special field called "condition", where it's set to "class", "role", etc, and then another called conditiondata, which is set to the particular thing |
| 18:07.51 | Neffi | like |
| 18:07.59 | Neffi | condition = "class"; conditiondata = "rogue" |
| 18:08.17 | *** join/#wowuidev aHumanOnceSaid (6cdb4c46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.219.76.70) |
| 18:08.28 | Neffi | register relevant events based on any conditions used, and then search each config until one matches most closely |
| 18:08.29 | kd3 | down at the bottom of the map (southwestish), it's actually running with I-85 inside of it |
| 18:08.35 | Arrowmaster | you think thats weird, vegas has a road that goes under a runway |
| 18:08.54 | Dagmar | So does Nashville. |
| 18:08.56 | Arrowmaster | a major road |
| 18:09.04 | Lopeppeppy | In Boston, the runway is the ocean. :) |
| 18:09.06 | kd3 | hell, so does LAX |
| 18:09.06 | pompy | oh yeah |
| 18:09.23 | Arrowmaster | yeah i flew into boston and was not happy with the pilot |
| 18:09.24 | Lopeppeppy | Don't miss or you drink it, folks! |
| 18:09.44 | Lopeppeppy | Try landing in Albany. The noise restrictions are so serious that the pilots have to nose-dive to land. Freaky. |
| 18:09.45 | Arrowmaster | the plane dropped a good 10-20 feet right before the runway, while we were over the ocean and i was in a window seat |
| 18:09.47 | Semlar | did you literally fly into boston or just land there |
| 18:10.28 | kd3 | it's the same at john wayne, which I flew in to for my first blizzcon... they took off then went straight up |
| 18:10.41 | Arrowmaster | i flew to boston to see a friend for new years |
| 18:10.41 | Semlar | that sounds awesome |
| 18:11.22 | Lopeppeppy | I don't mind it so much on takeoff, kd3. For landing it's freakin' spooky crap. |
| 18:11.28 | kd3 | nods |
| 18:11.32 | Arrowmaster | dj tiesto was playing a club in boston for new years so i flew in and we went |
| 18:11.48 | kd3 | tiesto's still on the scene? geez |
| 18:11.58 | Arrowmaster | this was back in 05 i think |
| 18:11.58 | chiel | Neffi: that sounds interesting indeed. |
| 18:12.14 | chiel | Neffi: and then it would simply override only the required things it wants to modify, i guess |
| 18:12.21 | Neffi | could |
| 18:12.42 | Neffi | local height = condConfig.height or mainConfig.height |
| 18:12.47 | Neffi | or use metatables |
| 18:12.49 | Lopeppeppy | Ah, Boston. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=539449312731986&set=a.334120769931509.87511.279885942021659&type=1 |
| 18:12.53 | chiel | hm |
| 18:12.58 | chiel | i don't know how metatables work |
| 18:13.01 | chiel | never used them |
| 18:13.16 | Neffi | there are infinite ways to do this, it really depends on your addon's architecture and what you want it to look/work like |
| 18:13.21 | kd3 | lope >.< |
| 18:13.22 | aHumanOnceSaid | Guys, how can I get "arg1" from the event "PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED" in my handler? the extra info that has what the target changed to? |
| 18:13.29 | Neffi | chiel: sec |
| 18:14.29 | kd3 | atlanta's got something more fun that GPS units love to get wrong |
| 18:14.32 | kd3 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peachtree_Street#Similarly_named_streets |
| 18:14.43 | End_ | aHumanOnceSaid: its passed as args to your OnEvent script |
| 18:14.53 | foxlit | aHumanOnceSaid: there's no such argument. |
| 18:15.00 | Arrowmaster | kd3: lol |
| 18:15.09 | chiel | Neffi: https://gist.github.com/1ae9cf11c1cc9dd6677c |
| 18:15.16 | aHumanOnceSaid | then why does it say that in the online api? |
| 18:15.23 | Neffi | chiel: http://pastebin.com/a2xqsQNk |
| 18:15.25 | Semlar | it's the first argument, you know what he means |
| 18:15.38 | Semlar | what do you currently have? |
| 18:15.39 | aHumanOnceSaid | the first arguments is always nil. |
| 18:15.46 | foxlit | the online API is written by fallible humans. |
| 18:15.47 | chiel | Neffi: ah right |
| 18:15.48 | Neffi | chiel: Yup, that's the idea |
| 18:15.50 | foxlit | There is no such argument. |
| 18:15.57 | foxlit | When that event fires, the player's target has already changed. You can use the "target" unit to retrieve whatever unit-related information you wish. |
| 18:16.03 | chiel | Neffi: basically what i want to achieve is that i don't have to check multiple config tables in my code |
| 18:16.10 | chiel | i just want to access 1 config more or less |
| 18:16.17 | Neffi | then use metatables |
| 18:16.20 | Neffi | very easy |
| 18:16.22 | chiel | hmm yea |
| 18:16.26 | chiel | i just had another idea |
| 18:16.35 | Semlar | wait what documentation even says it has an argument |
| 18:16.45 | chiel | hm wait not really |
| 18:16.55 | chiel | but i guess the hard thing would be if multiple conditions are met |
| 18:16.57 | Neffi | all custom tables, set their metatable to the base config upon initial load. then you only ever need 1 pointer. when conditions change, change the pointer to the custom table. it inherits from base, so no redundant checking. |
| 18:16.59 | chiel | :DDDD |
| 18:17.31 | End_ | all the documentation? |
| 18:17.38 | End_ | because it does for some strange reason? |
| 18:17.53 | Semlar | apparently it tells you how they were targetted |
| 18:18.09 | Semlar | so it shouldn't be nil |
| 18:18.15 | End_ | well |
| 18:18.16 | chiel | but that would be a bloody mess anyway, if there's conflicting values >.< |
| 18:18.18 | End_ | sometimes it should |
| 18:18.43 | End_ | maybe should is the wrong word |
| 18:18.45 | chiel | in that case i guess you'd want to define a priority system |
| 18:18.54 | End_ | but nil is one of the understood possible values |
| 18:18.57 | Neffi | chiel: http://pastebin.com/UBGUKpPt |
| 18:18.59 | aHumanOnceSaid | I have: updatetarget = (function(self, event, ...) local targetChanged = select(1, ...) print(tostring(targetChanged)) end) |
| 18:19.05 | chiel | let's say i have two configs defined.. one for class = warrior, one for role = dps |
| 18:19.18 | End_ | that should work, although select(1, ...) is the same as ... |
| 18:19.19 | Semlar | select(1,...) is pointless |
| 18:19.37 | aHumanOnceSaid | the others are the same, nil. |
| 18:19.38 | nevcairiel | Semlar: actually, it has 3 points in it |
| 18:19.43 | Semlar | :| |
| 18:19.50 | Semlar | stop that |
| 18:19.56 | Neffi | chiel: You can always make a function called GetConfigValue, which loops through all matching config tables from highest priority to lowest, and stops when it finds the first table for which the value exists |
| 18:19.59 | chiel | Neffi: i guess it's possible to create metatables on the fly or something though? |
| 18:20.04 | Neffi | yeah |
| 18:20.09 | Neffi | setmetatable is valid at any point |
| 18:20.19 | chiel | in that case whenever something changes, i can inherit tables in order |
| 18:20.21 | Neffi | just don't ever setmetatable() on a frame |
| 18:20.24 | aHumanOnceSaid | I get self ~= nil but a table, the second says it's a table with 21 values |
| 18:20.25 | chiel | so i start with the base table |
| 18:20.34 | chiel | and then pile all the met condition tables on top |
| 18:20.44 | Neffi | that could work too |
| 18:20.48 | Neffi | a little uglier |
| 18:20.52 | Semlar | aHumanOnceSaid: what do you have for SetScript("OnEvent") |
| 18:20.58 | Neffi | i think a custom function for fetching config values is cleaner |
| 18:21.21 | chiel | i suppose, but then i'd need to loop configs anytime i want a config value |
| 18:21.38 | chiel | whereas if i only want to swap configs on certain conditions, i do it once and then reference the new table |
| 18:21.41 | aHumanOnceSaid | I have from my actual code: DOTMonitorEventManager.Update.Target:SetScript("OnEvent", DOTMonitor.update.target) |
| 18:21.43 | Neffi | yes, but the amount of config tables should be small, and it's reasonable that it'd be found quicklu |
| 18:21.52 | chiel | i agree |
| 18:22.04 | chiel | i was just hoping to reference config.foo.bar |
| 18:22.06 | Fisker | claps nevcairiel |
| 18:22.13 | Neffi | if you chain metatables on top of each other, Lua would basically be doing the loop logic anyway, just behind the scenes |
| 18:22.17 | chiel | rather than having to do GetConfig('config.foo.bar') |
| 18:22.18 | Arrowmaster | what the fuck http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=38538 |
| 18:22.28 | Neffi | since it checks 1 table, fails, checks the next, ..., until it finds the value |
| 18:22.35 | chiel | yea |
| 18:22.38 | chiel | lookup chain and all that |
| 18:22.45 | Neffi | might as well loop yourself |
| 18:22.56 | Neffi | instead of relying on spagghetti of tables |
| 18:22.59 | pompy | http://nerdreactor.com/2013/01/04/gamestick-the-portable-console-reaches-kickstarter-goal-in-30-hours/ |
| 18:23.05 | Neffi | oh god afk |
| 18:23.27 | chiel | i guess i could merge the tables myself as well |
| 18:23.56 | Semlar | aHumanOnceSaid: http://pastebin.com/M6d5wstq that should be all you need |
| 18:24.17 | pompy | Arrowmaster: yeah xtek made a vid of it http://youtu.be/pIBeMfeViBw |
| 18:24.41 | Fisker | hah nevcairiel |
| 18:24.45 | Fisker | and hah Stanzilla |
| 18:24.49 | Fisker | and maybe even hah haste |
| 18:24.50 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: does not work in chrome for me |
| 18:24.58 | Fisker | http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/lg-support-page-offers-a-peek-at-nexus-4-production-numbers-2013013/ |
| 18:26.09 | foxlit | aHumanOnceSaid: there's nothing wrong with your code. All existing documentation is either wrong or outdated. There is no such argument in the current live build. |
| 18:26.12 | aHumanOnceSaid | Semlar: Would that give me the argument containing if the target was selected / deselected? |
| 18:26.25 | nevcairiel | Fisker: that post is stupid. It basically says "we found these numbers", and then it says "we also have proof that says these numbers are not correct" |
| 18:26.51 | Semlar | the argument doesn't matter |
| 18:26.56 | Semlar | hang on |
| 18:27.20 | aHumanOnceSaid | kk |
| 18:27.31 | Fisker | i don't see proof anywhere nevcairiel |
| 18:28.06 | nevcairiel | there is no proof in either direction :P |
| 18:28.17 | Semlar | aHumanOnceSaid: http://pastebin.com/cyjTgMWM |
| 18:28.33 | Fisker | no nevcairiel |
| 18:28.58 | Fisker | but i see evidence in one direction, none really in the other direction |
| 18:31.23 | aHumanOnceSaid | Semlar: thanks! That's what i needed. I'm new to the api so im kinda noob right now. |
| 18:32.52 | Semlar | aHumanOnceSaid: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api_categories#unit has more unit api functions |
| 18:33.30 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: did you try http://translate.google.com/#en/fr/condemned%20video%20filled%20with |
| 18:33.42 | aHumanOnceSaid | ohh thanks for that. |
| 18:33.54 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: yeah, no worky, i just get the text |
| 18:34.08 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: click the english play button |
| 18:34.23 | Arrowmaster | on firefox i get the wonky stuff |
| 18:35.46 | nevcairiel | i dont |
| 18:35.59 | nevcairiel | maybe i get another playback engine because i'm from germany or some shit? :P |
| 18:36.06 | Arrowmaster | maybe |
| 18:36.11 | Arrowmaster | its the us-english one thats broken |
| 18:38.22 | Arrowmaster | Fisker: ask google now "what is really good" |
| 18:40.18 | *** join/#wowuidev Seerah (~RyanNL@adsl-74-226-98-201.mem.bellsouth.net) |
| 18:40.19 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Seerah] by ChanServ |
| 18:42.36 | durcyn | https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=38538 |
| 18:44.06 | Arrowmaster | yes i linked it already |
| 18:44.20 | Arrowmaster | now go ask google now "what is really good" |
| 18:47.40 | Lopeppeppy | Gods, you're the same people who tortured Siri to find "easter eggs" aren't you? |
| 18:50.37 | Arrowmaster | the first one is a legit bug |
| 18:50.46 | Arrowmaster | that is showing up in weird places |
| 18:50.53 | Arrowmaster | the second one is just funny |
| 18:52.46 | *** join/#wowuidev Monolit (~Strigoy@89.112.4.92.pppoe.eltel.net) |
| 19:00.41 | pompy | i wish my phone had jelly bean |
| 19:00.46 | pompy | but it has ICS |
| 19:05.05 | cogwheel | mine just got jelly bean yesterday |
| 19:08.49 | Neffi | holy shit I actually laughed out loud |
| 19:09.19 | Neffi | I guess a disgruntled Google employee switched sides |
| 19:16.00 | TC-work | Iriel: whats that alternative photo software you use to lightroom? |
| 19:16.40 | Iriel | I just use lightroom |
| 19:17.09 | TC-work | maybe it was Shirik, but i thought there was another that was brought up with better workf flow |
| 19:17.21 | TC-work | work flow* |
| 19:17.47 | Iriel | I used aperture for a while, but they had too many bugs at one point so i switched to LR |
| 19:18.02 | TC-work | i thought it had a 'one' in the name |
| 19:31.16 | pompy | TC-work: http://www.phaseone.com/en/Imaging-Software.aspx |
| 19:31.18 | pompy | ? |
| 19:37.04 | TC-work | pompy: possibly, although it's not sounding familiar |
| 19:37.28 | *** join/#wowuidev Kalroth (~Kalroth@d40aa5af.rev.stofanet.dk) |
| 19:44.20 | *** join/#wowuidev Zootfizzle (~progdog@mobile-166-147-095-073.mycingular.net) |
| 19:44.21 | *** part/#wowuidev Zootfizzle (~progdog@mobile-166-147-095-073.mycingular.net) |
| 19:45.08 | Mr_Rabies | giant sewer rat from tank bag :D |
| 19:45.25 | aHumanOnceSaid | Got the addon working :D thanks guys |
| 19:45.51 | aHumanOnceSaid | thanks Semlar! |
| 19:45.55 | Semlar | no problem |
| 19:55.09 | Lopeppeppy | I seriously do not want to conduct (l)user training next week. *tragic sigh* |
| 19:55.32 | Neffi | Say I'm retreiving buffs on a unit based on a PREDEFINED list of buffs I care about, is there any simple way to tell if the aura is a buff or debuff? |
| 19:55.51 | Neffi | Eg, UnitAura(unit, 'somebuffname') <-- how can I tell if the info returned relates to a help or harmful aura? |
| 19:56.41 | Neffi | well, I guess I can do this: UnitBuff(unit,aura) and 'buff' or 'debuff' |
| 19:56.48 | Neffi | can anyone confirm that's reliable? |
| 20:01.05 | foxlit | What if it's both? |
| 20:01.30 | TC-work | Lopeppeppy: eww |
| 20:02.05 | TC-work | Lopeppeppy: But at least if you do it, it's more likely to be done right and therefor less people afterwords needing help for the same thing they got trained in. |
| 20:02.12 | foxlit | my brief reading of the documentation suggests that UnitAura only returns buffs if you call it like that. |
| 20:02.12 | Lopeppeppy | Two sessions, possibly 3, weighing in at 2 hours each. These totally drag me down. |
| 20:04.22 | Caleb| | why not use UnitBuff Neffi ? |
| 20:04.58 | Neffi | I've got a pre-defined list of auras that I want to be shown regardless of whether they're buffs or debuffs, but I won't to denote debuffs by red coloring as well |
| 20:05.48 | *** join/#wowuidev isman (~drag@mna75-2-82-67-196-34.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 20:06.18 | foxlit | Neffi: the documentation is correct. If you call, UnitAura(unit, 'somebuffname'), the infor returned is always about a buff. |
| 20:06.53 | Neffi | which makes little sense. if I can provide a filter and choose not to, why is the return not UNfiltered? |
| 20:07.08 | foxlit | if you don't provide a filter, the default filter is used |
| 20:07.41 | foxlit | It may be inconvenient for you, but it does make some amount of sense. |
| 20:08.05 | Neffi | is there any filter that applies to both buffs and debuffs? |
| 20:08.09 | foxlit | no. |
| 20:08.35 | Neffi | so UnitBuff is entirely redundant |
| 20:08.51 | Neffi | I think it makes little sense tbh |
| 20:09.45 | foxlit | UnitBuff simply predates UnitAura, and breaking compatibility for no benefit is overrated. |
| 20:29.03 | kullervo | http://kullervo.dy.fi/pub/drop/pic/WoWScrnShot_010413_222845.jpg |
| 20:29.10 | kullervo | why do I get that twice :( |
| 20:29.11 | kullervo | the debuff |
| 20:29.54 | pompy | kd3, Arrowmaster: since you're into anime .. http://www.facebook.com/nerdreactor/posts/192633294213981 |
| 20:31.55 | kullervo | and it only applies to some of them hmm |
| 20:33.17 | Lopeppeppy | you don't have a raid addon and a debuff addon showing the debuff separately, do you? (two addons instead of one) |
| 20:33.59 | Lopeppeppy | My first two questions are 1) do you actually have 2 debuffs? and 2) do you have two addons trying to display the same thing? |
| 20:35.28 | Semlar | it appears to be two different debuffs considering they're 3 seconds apart |
| 20:35.50 | Semlar | or someone's calculations are off |
| 20:36.04 | Lopeppeppy | Could be either one, Semlar, honestly. |
| 20:36.20 | Lopeppeppy | Although a 3 second miscalculation is pretty horrific. |
| 20:36.36 | Semlar | i could sort of see it if one rounded up and one rounded down |
| 20:37.29 | Semlar | is that satrina's buff thing or something else |
| 20:38.50 | Semlar | i know it let you create different bars with specific filters |
| 20:39.36 | *** join/#wowuidev Dark_Elf (~Dark_Elf@h75-100-156-112.wdrnin.broadband.dynamic.tds.net) |
| 20:39.36 | Semlar | kullervo what debuff is that |
| 20:40.00 | Semlar | the dk rez thing? |
| 20:45.45 | Gnarfoz | it has that icon, at least |
| 20:46.31 | Ackis | why do I only get loot from one of the twin emps when I kill them? :( |
| 20:47.07 | Semlar | aoe loot? |
| 20:47.31 | Ackis | I'm only getting one of the white items |
| 20:50.45 | nevcairiel | maybe the other one didnt drop? :p |
| 20:52.53 | smcn | i've heard you have to damage both of them after every teleport |
| 20:53.55 | smcn | or well, at least the teleport directly before one of them dies |
| 20:56.29 | Ackis | sounds like it's just a weird mechanic: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/7415642797 :( |
| 20:56.37 | Ackis | hard for a caster to do looks like |
| 20:58.36 | foxlit | Ackis: also painful for melee if you want caster loot |
| 21:03.55 | bleeter | fuck me drunk, 1/4 of my State's on fire or being evacuated |
| 21:04.18 | bleeter | is about 10kms from the evacuation zone |
| 21:05.02 | End_ | I had no trouble killing twin emps, but I have a pet |
| 21:05.25 | End_ | it really helps that they don't even heal each other for being too close |
| 21:06.17 | End_ | one of the mages in my guild killed them a few times, and didn't indicate any trouble other than the fight taking longer because he had to chew through their heals |
| 21:13.35 | pompy | bleeter: thats no good. |
| 21:19.26 | kullervo | Semlar: recently combat ressed |
| 21:20.00 | Semlar | maybe one is tracking the debuff and one is tracking the cooldown or something |
| 21:20.46 | Semlar | like a cooldown tracker for important raid abilities |
| 21:21.03 | kullervo | I only have bison for buffs |
| 21:22.18 | Semlar | is this the only debuff that shows up twice |
| 21:22.37 | Semlar | or does every debuff show up twice |
| 21:24.30 | pompy | http://store.steampowered.com/news/9690/ |
| 21:24.33 | Semlar | bison also doesn't appear to have been updated since 4.2 |
| 21:24.45 | Semlar | so it could just be buggy |
| 21:31.38 | TC-work | http://www.totalgeekdom.com/?p=915 |
| 21:32.08 | bleeter | pompy: http://news.google.com.au/news/rtc?ncl=dIFeXsiOMVSvBwMvAX88Np3dSvvKM&ned=au&topic=h |
| 21:32.56 | bleeter | just heard the story of the unconfirmed death |
| 21:34.06 | TC-work | pompy: I think they had it planned in the beginning, I always wondered why they chose to end it on a saturday. |
| 21:36.01 | Neffi | genius http://xkcd.com/1156/ |
| 21:37.50 | *** join/#wowuidev Antiarc (~Instantbi@ip98-165-104-202.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 21:41.55 | TC-work | Arrowmaster: how is the time to buy Symphony |
| 21:42.23 | *** join/#wowuidev tem (~tardmrr@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Dongle/Tem) |
| 21:42.24 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v tem] by ChanServ |
| 21:46.58 | foxlit | Someone should rewrite the glyph UI and be done with it. |
| 21:47.09 | TC-work | well, since you said something.... |
| 21:47.09 | foxlit | It's not like you can swap glyphs/talents in combat. |
| 21:48.38 | foxlit | TC-work: I'm still entertaining delusions that the existing issues can be addressed in FrameXML patches, which would remove the need to rewrite anything. |
| 21:50.58 | TC-work | foxlit: I'm just telling you the same thing my boss keeps telling me every time I suggest something. |
| 21:52.41 | *** join/#wowuidev Telshin (~textual@76.164.170.2) |
| 22:05.41 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 22:05.43 | Fisker | where's my charger? |
| 22:09.25 | *** join/#wowuidev bjelleklang (~chris@wikipedia/Bjelleklang) |
| 22:12.50 | *** join/#wowuidev bjelleklang (~chris@wikipedia/Bjelleklang) |
| 22:16.07 | pompy | bleeter: >< |
| 22:16.51 | pompy | TC-work: i backed out of Symphony, heh .. maybe it'll be during the encore. |
| 22:17.15 | *** join/#wowuidev Ressy (~Ressy@unaffiliated/ressy) |
| 22:17.53 | TC-work | better than backing into it. |
| 22:18.03 | kd3 | I think I may copy this: http://www.reddit.com/r/OkCupid/comments/15y92d/yall_lets_not_waste_each_others_time_this_way_wed/c7qxas3 |
| 22:20.41 | pompy | TC-work: truth. |
| 22:21.45 | pompy | http://beerlake.net/dump/balloon.gif |
| 22:22.57 | *** join/#wowuidev Unkle (~mconverse@50-0-113-123.dedicated.static.sonic.net) |
| 22:27.47 | kd3 | holy crap pompy |
| 22:31.49 | pompy | lol |
| 22:32.40 | bleeter | http://nerdapproved.com/misc-weirdness/the-original-star-wars-trilogy-as-maps/ |
| 22:33.04 | *** join/#wowuidev rtharper (~tomh@c83-250-218-181.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 22:33.04 | *** join/#wowuidev rtharper (~tomh@unaffiliated/sioraiocht) |
| 22:42.25 | Arrowmaster | TC-work: i did this morning |
| 22:42.47 | Arrowmaster | TC-work: im buying everything as gifts and not redeeming them till the end of the sale |
| 22:43.22 | TC-work | Shady |
| 22:44.01 | Arrowmaster | i got screwed last sale when i bought the splinter cell collection and then the tom clancy collection the next day |
| 22:46.15 | foxlit | How does buying things as gifts fix things? |
| 22:47.16 | Arrowmaster | if i had bought them as gifts last sale i would of had a splinter cell collection to gift/trade to somebody else |
| 22:53.04 | Arrowmaster | im guessing the flash deal having 19 hours left on it means its going to be up till the sale is over? |
| 22:53.33 | foxlit | someone said something about the weekend |
| 23:00.33 | TC-work | It is so time for a nap. |
| 23:00.44 | foxlit | Is anyone here actually suffering from the inability to change glyphs/talents due to taint? |
| 23:01.55 | End_ | what do you mean suffering |
| 23:02.12 | foxlit | in any way shape or form able to reliably reproduce the issue. |
| 23:02.23 | foxlit | s/reliably/reasonably reliably/ |
| 23:02.34 | End_ | I've seen it, but it's not reliable at all |
| 23:03.15 | End_ | what I've been seeing lately is the id is nil issue, which is even harder to track down because of the error's randomness |
| 23:03.30 | foxlit | never even heard of that. |
| 23:03.36 | End_ | but that gets false reported as a taint issue because I guess the errorhandler is tainting execution o_O |
| 23:03.40 | End_ | well |
| 23:03.48 | End_ | I'll make sure to screenshot it next time |
| 23:04.23 | *** join/#wowuidev Xuerian (~Xuerian@173-167-55-220-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 23:04.33 | foxlit | I'm not too attached to getting the actual error message -- a brief description of what you were prevented from achieving when that error occurred would suffice :) |
| 23:04.44 | End_ | it's the same thing |
| 23:04.51 | End_ | removing talent doesn't work |
| 23:04.54 | End_ | but it's a different error |
| 23:06.08 | foxlit | I googled this: http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1234548-Interface-error-prevents-glyph-and-talent-changes-Help |
| 23:06.55 | End_ | that's not the same error, and I don't think is the same problem at all |
| 23:07.07 | End_ | in my case, I'm seeing weird values in the .data field |
| 23:07.54 | End_ | it's been a few weeks since I seriously tried to determine the cause, so details are kind of coming back to me |
| 23:09.27 | End_ | anyway, I wouldn't mention it, but it still pops up the taint error in addition to another one |
| 23:09.49 | End_ | even more strangely, the taint log doesn't indicate any taint until the error handler is called |
| 23:10.15 | End_ | the error handler being called in response to the other error |
| 23:10.38 | foxlit | doesn't log taint to/from table fields. |
| 23:10.56 | End_ | hm odd |
| 23:11.10 | End_ | I thought it did, but that would explain the lack of info |
| 23:11.22 | *** join/#wowuidev bjelleklang (~chris@wikipedia/Bjelleklang) |
| 23:11.26 | End_ | pretty major omission :-/ |
| 23:11.49 | foxlit | there's no meaningful way to log those. |
| 23:12.00 | foxlit | well, no obviously meaningful way. |
| 23:12.17 | foxlit | and same goes for locals. |
| 23:12.18 | End_ | it'd be nice if it at least said that execution was tainted by the read |
| 23:12.35 | End_ | hm |
| 23:12.41 | End_ | well, maybe that wouldn't be that useful |
| 23:12.42 | foxlit | of table 0x000000000badf00d? |
| 23:12.58 | End_ | I was thinking the filename and line number |
| 23:13.02 | End_ | but I already know that answer |
| 23:13.30 | foxlit | But you're right, it'd certainly be useful if it existed. |
| 23:14.14 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: I've got some talent change taint from FascistGnome and have a taintlog2 of it that I haven't analyzed (mostly because I don't know how. I think I'll blame durcyn) |
| 23:14.14 | End_ | anyway, intentionally or not, you have pointed out that execution was already tainted |
| 23:14.40 | End_ | it's still odd that it throws an error for the invalid value and then throws another for the taint, but w/e |
| 23:14.43 | Gnarfoz | but I don't have instructions as to how to reproduce it. |
| 23:16.42 | foxlit | static popups make things annoying. |
| 23:17.29 | foxlit | but not too bad. Gnarfoz: link :) |
| 23:18.24 | Gnarfoz | sadly, fascistgnome doesn't have staticpopups, but I'm not sure you meant me. link incoming. should I trim it? I'm not sure how much/where I could, without destroying possibly useful information |
| 23:19.16 | foxlit | changing talents involves staticpopups ("are you sure?"), which makes it potentially annoying for me to replace. |
| 23:19.32 | Gnarfoz | ah |
| 23:19.35 | foxlit | I was thinking you had a ticket or something along those lines :) |
| 23:19.35 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: http://geektour.de/~smallbrain/wow/mop/fascistgnome_taint.7z |
| 23:20.17 | Gnarfoz | nah, FascistGnome is vhaarr's pretty slim raid flask/food checker |
| 23:20.31 | Gnarfoz | http://www.wowace.com/addons/fascistgnome/ |
| 23:22.51 | Gnarfoz | it's line 69990 |
| 23:23.04 | Gnarfoz | (I think :D) |
| 23:23.11 | *** join/#wowuidev Industrial (~tom@85.17.207.36) |
| 23:23.36 | Gnarfoz | 75422 has the block message |
| 23:23.42 | Industrial | Anyone know a great database on fantasy books so I can look up what to read next? |
| 23:24.02 | Industrial | also hi |
| 23:24.53 | Industrial | I have http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Fantasy_novel_series but it doesn't say which are great and which suck ;) |
| 23:26.12 | foxlit | Gnarfoz: UIFrameFlash |
| 23:26.29 | Gnarfoz | aha? hm. I know vaguely what that is |
| 23:26.40 | foxlit | It's an API for various flashing things in FrameXML |
| 23:27.00 | foxlit | It's mostly internal, and it would be better for everyone involved if it stayed that way |
| 23:27.33 | Gnarfoz | I guess I could be the german fun hater and just remove that, since it's a joke functionality |
| 23:27.48 | Gnarfoz | or is there an easy alternative? |
| 23:28.07 | cbreak | Industrial: how about asking amazon, or some other seller of books? |
| 23:28.09 | foxlit | write your own animation code. It shouldn't be too bad. |
| 23:28.34 | foxlit | and I need to write a Lua parser :( |
| 23:28.40 | Gnarfoz | nah, he can do it if he wants to, I'll just comment it out so I can move on to the next addon that takes its place in the taint blame game |
| 23:28.51 | cbreak | foxlit: how about using lua? :) |
| 23:28.56 | Industrial | cbreak: I guess. I'm working through all of the wheel of time. I've read all of Raymond E. Feist (e.g. riftwar, serpentwars) now .. |
| 23:29.01 | foxlit | (I've meanwhile figured out that I don't actually know how to parse CFLs beyond "just use a parser generator, Luke!" -- parser generators are magic) |
| 23:29.24 | End_ | well |
| 23:29.27 | cbreak | I recently finished listening to the "Black Magician" trilogy |
| 23:29.31 | cbreak | it wasn't too bad. |
| 23:29.31 | End_ | let me get out my dragon book and we can find out |
| 23:29.51 | foxlit | I gout out my thin orange book, and it pointed me at yacc and said "magic!" |
| 23:30.03 | End_ | hah |
| 23:30.15 | foxlit | (also told me that DPDAs can't parse all CFLs.) |
| 23:30.16 | End_ | I'm pretty sure my dragon book goes into it, but I'm not sure where it is |
| 23:30.22 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: though: UIFrameFlash doesn't appear in the taintlog at all - is that normal? or was this just a guess |
| 23:30.48 | foxlit | Gnarfoz: it's the sort of thing that wouldn't appear in the taint log because of how the taint log works |
| 23:30.57 | Gnarfoz | figures |
| 23:31.17 | End_ | I found it! |
| 23:31.18 | End_ | and it occurs to me |
| 23:31.28 | End_ | I barely on touched the surface in my compilers class |
| 23:31.38 | End_ | s/barely on/barely even/ |
| 23:32.18 | Industrial | cbreak: this one contains some gems: http://bestfantasybooks.com/top25-fantasy-books.php |
| 23:32.33 | Semlar | piers anthony is a good author |
| 23:32.51 | Semlar | if you like puns |
| 23:34.16 | *** join/#wowuidev Torhal (~torhal@c-71-207-224-241.hsd1.al.comcast.net) |
| 23:35.30 | cbreak | Industrial: that list is weird |
| 23:36.10 | cbreak | they write that wether the third ranked book stays on the list depends on some other books the author of the third ranked book has not yet released |
| 23:36.28 | cbreak | maybe that list is not about books on their own, but authors? |
| 23:36.34 | TC-work | Well, I know that list is not for me, it started with game of thrones. |
| 23:47.57 | Industrial | just raking in the books/author names =) |
| 23:49.23 | Industrial | I always wonder if everything has an ISBN/number of sorts, where is the global view of everything released? Who has it? =) where does this database live and why cant I access it ;o |
| 23:55.03 | cbreak | Industrial: ISBN is scoped |
| 23:55.22 | cbreak | part of it are publishers, and the other part is the book id within a publisher |
| 23:56.43 | cbreak | scoped isn't the right word... hierarchical maybe |
| 23:57.04 | Arrowmaster | so its like a MAC address for books, except we dont publish enough books to overrun the ISBN like we do with MACs |
| 23:57.49 | foxlit | Gnarfoz: yes, that reproduces the issue 100% |
| 23:57.54 | *** join/#wowuidev Caribou_ (~Caribou@208.2.21.93.rev.sfr.net) |
| 23:58.29 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: I'm sorry I don't follow - what does? Loading FascistGnome, doing a readycheck (triggering the animation)? |
| 23:58.38 | foxlit | I'm manually triggering FascistGnome:READY_CHECK (faking a couple of raid functions for it... because you know, 5.0 happened!), and I can't replace talents later because StaticPopup1.data is tainted |
| 23:59.02 | Gnarfoz | so, start the UIFrameFlash crusade, then, I guess? :D |
| 23:59.15 | foxlit | Off with all of their heads! |
| 23:59.17 | *** join/#wowuidev |Jelly|_ (~|Jelly|@c-50-152-154-143.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 23:59.32 | foxlit | Though first, I want a stack trace from TalentUI |
| 23:59.47 | cbreak | Arrowmaster: MACs are 48 bit |
| 23:59.56 | foxlit | (I also patched DebugTools to highlight tainted table keys. Sexy!) |
