| 00:02.11 | durcyn | they are, Mr_Rabies, through pet battles |
| 00:02.42 | Mr_Rabies | they need like, dungeon dailies and stuff |
| 00:02.53 | Mr_Rabies | that give 5 a day or something |
| 00:03.30 | durcyn | would you also like a pny |
| 00:03.31 | durcyn | pony* |
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| 00:06.59 | Jank | greetings from germany to everybody... someone for some short question from a beginner? :) |
| 00:07.44 | Iriel | Jank: i'm sure you have a decent chance of getting an answer from someone |
| 00:10.28 | Jank | ok then have a public try with my question :) is it possible to make a onclick function which uses a potion with a delay of x seconds? |
| 00:10.38 | Iriel | It's not. |
| 00:11.06 | Jank | ok i thought so but i wasn't sure |
| 00:12.21 | Jank | certainly there isn't any workaround f.e. using a macro with a delay or something this?! |
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| 00:15.34 | Jank | but directly onclick a pot could be consumed? |
| 00:17.47 | pompy | Jank: http://www.wowpedia.org/UI_FAQ/Macros_and_scripts#General not really.. (a few questions down) |
| 00:25.29 | kd3 | bah. kill the empress, get leggings. burn a roll, get leggings |
| 00:25.42 | kd3 | of all the times for a roll to proc... >.< |
| 00:26.07 | Mr_Rabies | quit bragging that you got an empress to drop her pants twice in one day |
| 00:26.26 | End_ | har |
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| 00:32.57 | Jank | "You can use it to talk, or to use items" this sounds to me, that it should be possible to use this libraries for potions, too, isn't it? |
| 00:36.59 | kd3 | you can use a potion instantly, not in a few seconds |
| 00:41.17 | Jank | ok... bad news... thank u |
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| 03:09.12 | Semlar | adys, patching doesn't appear to work with your mpq thing |
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| 03:41.25 | Mr_Rabies | french keyloggers imo |
| 03:42.05 | Mr_Rabies | you'll login one day and see that all your gear has been replaced with delicious crepes |
| 03:42.12 | Semlar | would that be so bad |
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| 04:18.57 | kd3 | well. the house isn't useless after all |
| 04:19.02 | kd3 | 257-167 |
| 04:31.57 | Mr_Rabies | you're a house |
| 04:45.51 | Semlar | what sort of house |
| 04:47.28 | Stanzilla | our house |
| 04:47.33 | Mr_Rabies | this old house |
| 04:47.42 | Mr_Rabies | with bob vila |
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| 05:23.02 | Adys | Semlar: how so? |
| 05:23.10 | Adys | Semlar: you need to patch in the proper order |
| 05:23.23 | Semlar | hang on |
| 05:25.11 | Semlar | adys http://pastebin.com/YGenpdDN this is basically what i had |
| 05:25.27 | Semlar | the patch files basically just overwrite the base files |
| 05:25.43 | Semlar | maybe i'm patching them wrong |
| 05:25.50 | Adys | you are patching them wrong |
| 05:25.58 | Adys | as i said they need to be patched in the right order |
| 05:26.11 | Semlar | so not the numerical order |
| 05:26.18 | bluspacecow | patch patch patch |
| 05:26.26 | bluspacecow | *slaps a band aid on semlar* |
| 05:26.33 | Semlar | don't you patch me |
| 05:26.39 | Semlar | I'LL PATCH YOU |
| 05:26.40 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 05:26.44 | bluspacecow | OK! |
| 05:26.45 | Adys | Semlar: I recommend you look at WoW.mfil |
| 05:26.47 | Adys | in your wow folder |
| 05:26.48 | Semlar | wait no i won't because it doesn't work |
| 05:27.01 | Semlar | what's in wow.mfil |
| 05:27.13 | Adys | A list of mpqs and numerical patches |
| 05:27.18 | bluspacecow | mmaaaggggic |
| 05:27.27 | Adys | you need to patch your MPQs in numerical order *from* whatever is in wow.mfil |
| 05:27.30 | Adys | and that will be correct |
| 05:27.34 | Adys | it's the game's algorithm |
| 05:27.35 | Adys | https://github.com/Adys/pywow/blob/master/environment/__init__.py |
| 05:27.38 | bluspacecow | well a URL at least to give you that |
| 05:27.48 | Adys | https://github.com/Adys/pywow/blob/master/environment/__init__.py#L373 specifically |
| 05:27.49 | Semlar | wow.mfil doesn't have anything in it |
| 05:27.59 | bluspacecow | construct the URL |
| 05:28.09 | Semlar | aww do i have to |
| 05:28.20 | Adys | Semlar: sorry, it contains a url you need to check |
| 05:28.29 | Semlar | okay |
| 05:28.32 | Adys | http://dist.blizzard.com.edgesuite.net/wow-pod-retail/EU/15890.direct/wow-16357-EAD19050E6CFDD6D8D1AE4E8916F902E.mfil |
| 05:28.33 | Adys | here |
| 05:29.00 | Adys | Look at the patchList method i linked |
| 05:29.03 | bluspacecow | the path in manifest_partial field gets added to the URL in location field |
| 05:29.12 | bluspacecow | Semlar are you US or EU ? |
| 05:29.16 | Semlar | US |
| 05:29.44 | bluspacecow | http://llnw.blizzard.com/wow-pod-retail/NA/15890.direct/wow-16357-AE4379D2E6B819E4CC486D91FA298AC8.mfil |
| 05:30.05 | bluspacecow | essentially just Adys URL but on a different CDN and under NA/ instead of EU/ |
| 05:30.33 | Adys | ya that if you want US one |
| 05:30.36 | Semlar | so the patches need the locale? |
| 05:30.39 | Adys | should be the same or so anyway |
| 05:30.48 | Adys | Semlar: you construct it from WoW.mfil |
| 05:30.50 | Adys | look at it |
| 05:30.58 | Adys | its basically one of the CDNs + manifest url |
| 05:31.02 | Semlar | i'm looking at it, it's loaded in the correct order |
| 05:31.26 | Adys | Semlar: whats the actual issue you're getting? |
| 05:31.45 | Semlar | if i don't provide a locale for the patch it just overwrites the stuff |
| 05:32.04 | Adys | what are you using to get the file? |
| 05:32.07 | Adys | extract()? |
| 05:32.20 | Semlar | http://pastebin.com/YGenpdDN |
| 05:32.43 | Semlar | i'm just printing out the number of WMOs from the file list |
| 05:33.01 | Semlar | if i apply the patches, it's 0 |
| 05:33.19 | Semlar | unless i add 'enUS' and then it's the same as without the patches |
| 05:33.48 | Semlar | i'm just kind of assuming the patches worked but i don't actually know |
| 05:34.09 | Adys | add enUS where? |
| 05:34.24 | Semlar | baseMPQ.patch(mpqPath + 'wow-update-base-16357.mpq', 'enUS') |
| 05:35.10 | Adys | umm |
| 05:35.15 | Adys | i think the prefix should be base for that |
| 05:35.23 | Adys | hold on |
| 05:35.29 | Semlar | oh nevermind |
| 05:35.42 | Semlar | i misunderstood what that was for |
| 05:35.52 | Semlar | if you leave it off does it just pull it out of the file name |
| 05:36.13 | Adys | Right |
| 05:36.40 | Adys | Im not too sure |
| 05:36.51 | Adys | I dont remember what libstorm does with that |
| 05:37.47 | Adys | i know i mailed ladislav about it |
| 05:37.49 | Semlar | okay, i see the problem |
| 05:37.57 | Semlar | if i leave off the prefix it just breaks everything |
| 05:38.16 | Semlar | so that has to be pulled out of the file name and put there |
| 05:38.36 | Adys | Im not even sure about that |
| 05:38.59 | Semlar | well, if i take 'base' off the last patch and run my script i end up with 0 WMOs and 20 ADTs |
| 05:38.59 | Adys | if build != base.build(): for patch in self.patchList(): self.mpq.patch(patch) |
| 05:39.08 | Semlar | so it's probably just getting the information from the last patch file |
| 05:39.26 | Adys | yea but now i dont understand how *my* script worked now.. |
| 05:45.04 | Semlar | do you know if the updates actually add any files or just modify existing ones |
| 05:45.11 | Adys | Both |
| 05:45.18 | Semlar | because it length of the filenames list doesn't change without the patches |
| 05:45.23 | Semlar | the length* |
| 05:45.32 | Semlar | so maybe it isn't being applied correctly |
| 05:45.34 | Adys | It's possible namelist is broken |
| 05:45.46 | Semlar | maybe it needs to update |
| 05:46.22 | Adys | Semlar: if you want you can import storm, and use storm's low level functions on mpq._archives |
| 05:46.37 | Adys | cf https://github.com/Adys/python-mpq/blob/master/mpq/__init__.py |
| 05:48.20 | Semlar | it looks like you loop through self._archives for the namelist, are the patches in that list? |
| 05:48.27 | Adys | No |
| 05:48.28 | Semlar | or do they just modify those files |
| 05:49.01 | Adys | self._archives is the list of archives you are dealing with |
| 05:49.03 | Adys | the base ones |
| 05:49.08 | Adys | (eg when you use add_archive) |
| 05:49.09 | Semlar | yeah |
| 05:54.21 | Adys | Semlar: Im leaving for athens in just a few hours so if you get issues, file them in the python-mpq issue tracker on github |
| 05:54.29 | Adys | and please give me test cases with it |
| 05:54.42 | Semlar | alright |
| 05:55.16 | Adys | Ill try and hope by irc actually |
| 05:56.06 | Semlar | it probably isn't too much of an issue if i can't get the patches working |
| 05:56.22 | Adys | i can guarantee you that they at least worked before |
| 05:56.32 | Adys | but i havent tested it in a few months |
| 05:56.36 | Adys | its possible things changed in 5.1 |
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| 06:00.21 | Semlar | i'm probably just doing something wrong again |
| 06:30.45 | kd3 | hah. an amusing headline to go to bed on: "Please, please, please let this be true [Hero]" |
| 06:31.19 | kd3 | http://www.businessinsider.com/intel-cable-2013-1 |
| 06:32.05 | Mr_Rabies | not like they can force the tv studios to agree, though |
| 06:32.15 | Mr_Rabies | and most of them are owned by cable companies or companies that own cable companies |
| 06:32.57 | kd3 | but anyway, time for zzz |
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| 06:34.21 | Mr_Rabies | even if it is true they'll get like....IFC |
| 06:35.04 | durcyn | the current model's built on equal parts laziness, greed, and intricate carriage contracts, so good luck disrupting that |
| 06:35.24 | Mr_Rabies | no way will time warner and comcast let their channels get on there |
| 06:35.59 | durcyn | netflix and amazon have the right idea, buying content directly |
| 06:36.32 | Mr_Rabies | unfortunately those are drying up |
| 06:36.33 | durcyn | but the first service that's going to get anywhere is the one that has sports livestreaming, if we're honest |
| 06:36.48 | Mr_Rabies | the studios are only offering stuff they don't think they can sell on dvd/blu-ray for streaming nowadays |
| 06:37.17 | durcyn | apple's actually made surprising inroads on that with nba, nhl, and mlb in the states |
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| 06:43.21 | durcyn | Mr_Rabies: not entirely true, they have for some reason only they fully comprehend tried to black out streaming for the first month of retail for a dvd/bd release so they can maximize their profit, it's really quite bothersome watching the terrible decisions being made repeatedly |
| 06:43.53 | Mr_Rabies | i really wish like...any of the DCAU stuff was on netflix |
| 06:44.18 | End_ | I think it just varies a lot based on a studio's stance |
| 06:44.20 | Mr_Rabies | they have some of the straight-to-video movies but i want something meatier like batman:TAS or justice league |
| 06:44.35 | Mr_Rabies | or any of cartoon network's original programming |
| 06:44.52 | Mr_Rabies | basically the only stuff that shows on CN/Adult Swim that's on netflix is stuff they don't own like family guy |
| 06:45.36 | Mr_Rabies | they're owned by time warner, which is probably the worst company when it comes to moving past 20th century media |
| 06:46.03 | End_ | I was really surprised that disney decided to make a deal with netflix |
| 06:46.40 | End_ | there's not a lot of stuff up yet though |
| 06:47.07 | Mr_Rabies | Batman TAS is $170 to get on anything other than dvd :| |
| 06:47.21 | Mr_Rabies | no blu rays, no streaming, and $2 an ep on any digital service |
| 06:51.04 | Mr_Rabies | for a show that was on tv in 1992 :| |
| 06:57.38 | Mr_Rabies | aw man |
| 06:57.45 | Mr_Rabies | missed my bonus roll on sha this morning |
| 06:57.51 | Mr_Rabies | mouse died right as i went to click it |
| 06:57.56 | Mr_Rabies | and can't get another one this week :( |
| 07:30.03 | nevcairiel | how do people have their mouse die |
| 07:30.08 | nevcairiel | feed it occasionally |
| 07:30.36 | nevcairiel | or stop buying wireless! :p |
| 07:31.01 | Mr_Rabies | eh it was my own fault |
| 07:31.17 | Mr_Rabies | it warned me yesterday morning that it was low |
| 07:31.41 | nevcairiel | empty battery = dead mouse? |
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| 07:31.50 | nevcairiel | easy enough to revive :p |
| 07:31.51 | Mr_Rabies | and it blinks the red LED on top for a few seconds after you move it after a break of more than about 15 minutes |
| 07:32.17 | Mr_Rabies | i just went into the other room and grabbed a battery off the charger after i realized what happened |
| 07:32.21 | Mr_Rabies | i was too slow though |
| 07:32.37 | Mr_Rabies | one eneloop lasts about....3-4 weeks |
| 07:32.47 | Mr_Rabies | using it about 10 hours a day or so |
| 07:32.55 | Mr_Rabies | i could also plug it in via microusb |
| 07:33.07 | Mr_Rabies | but that cable's also in the other room since a friend of mine needed it to charge his phone earlier :p |
| 07:33.52 | Mr_Rabies | basically it's all my fault but that doesn't mean i can't complain about it |
| 07:34.10 | Mr_Rabies | i do wish if you've passed on a bonus roll you could have a chance later |
| 07:34.16 | Mr_Rabies | i thought it worked that way in lfr |
| 07:34.34 | Mr_Rabies | that's why i wasn't in a real hurry to grab the battery |
| 07:34.43 | Mr_Rabies | i was like "ah well, i'll just run it later today" |
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| 07:49.14 | karl_w_w | i remember when mice had a cable coming out of them so they never ran out of power |
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| 07:52.13 | karl_w_w | what will they think of next? keyboards that need batteries? monitors? |
| 07:56.29 | Semlar | i use a wired mouse |
| 07:57.00 | Semlar | i don't like having to mess with batteries |
| 07:57.21 | mikma | i use wired mouse and keyboard |
| 07:57.33 | Mr_Rabies | i don't like messing with wires |
| 07:57.56 | Mr_Rabies | i use a wireless mouse, and used a wireless keyboard for a short while, but the keyboard didn't like the mouse, despite both of them being logitech unifying adapter-compatible |
| 07:58.18 | Mr_Rabies | so i just put the wireless keyboard in the other room and use it with my wdtv live |
| 08:05.12 | nevcairiel | my htpc is the only place i ever used wireless, although i manage to do most things with a remote these days and only need the keyboard/mouse for some setup things |
| 08:08.03 | karl_w_w | should i go see life of pi? |
| 08:08.29 | Humbedooh | t'is a good movie |
| 08:08.38 | Humbedooh | and it's liek...3d and everything! |
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| 08:08.57 | karl_w_w | hmmm, skyfall is still showing through... |
| 08:09.06 | Humbedooh | skyfall is also good |
| 08:09.27 | karl_w_w | but skyfall isn't in 3d :P |
| 08:09.34 | karl_w_w | im unlikely to see both at the cinema |
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| 08:11.34 | nevcairiel | i only read an abstract of the story of life of pi, and i laughed so badly at that horror |
| 08:14.07 | karl_w_w | fucking the hobbit is taking up all the good screens |
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| 08:17.03 | Elkano | karl_w_w, wireless monitors is something that's being worked on ^^' |
| 08:17.15 | nevcairiel | sitll needs power cable |
| 08:18.02 | Elkano | in theory, even that isn't really needed (though propably not that healthy) |
| 08:21.56 | karl_w_w | we need to ressurect tesla |
| 08:22.08 | Semlar | again? |
| 08:22.11 | karl_w_w | can you imagine what the world would be like if he was alive 50 years later |
| 08:22.17 | Semlar | you remember what happened last time |
| 08:22.22 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 08:24.43 | Mr_Rabies | nevcairiel: what kind of mobo/cpu/gpu you got in your htpc? :o |
| 08:25.16 | nevcairiel | its just a normal PC in a smaller case |
| 08:25.27 | Mr_Rabies | ah |
| 08:25.32 | Mr_Rabies | i was thinking about going the atom route |
| 08:25.36 | nevcairiel | Z77 mATX board with some ivy bridge cpu |
| 08:25.58 | Mr_Rabies | i really want smooth 1080p 10-bit h264 |
| 08:26.01 | Mr_Rabies | that's my primary goal |
| 08:26.06 | Mr_Rabies | anything beyond that is just bonus |
| 08:26.39 | nevcairiel | atom wont be able to do this |
| 08:26.51 | nevcairiel | 1080p 10-bit requires quite some power |
| 08:26.59 | Mr_Rabies | too lazy to transcode all my anime to 8-bit video :| |
| 08:27.24 | Mr_Rabies | and plex/ums aren't really optimal at all |
| 08:27.28 | Mr_Rabies | they're awkward to use at best |
| 08:29.37 | Mr_Rabies | my wdtv live handles 1080p 8-bit h264 no problem |
| 08:29.42 | Mr_Rabies | smooth constant framerate |
| 08:30.00 | nevcairiel | 8-bit is easy because every tiny device has a dedicated hardware decoder for this these days |
| 08:30.05 | Mr_Rabies | admittedly sluggish menu interface and ugly subs, and a few poorly encoded files don't work |
| 08:30.17 | Mr_Rabies | but it's smooth |
| 08:31.16 | Mr_Rabies | 90% of my library before CCCP 11-11-11 was released works :p |
| 08:31.55 | Mr_Rabies | oh, 12-30's out, sweet |
| 08:32.07 | karl_w_w | I've only every come across 1 file that my wdtv won't play |
| 08:32.10 | karl_w_w | ever* |
| 08:32.34 | Mr_Rabies | you need to watch more obscure anime |
| 08:32.50 | Mr_Rabies | but not so obscure that it's only hardsubbed divx and took 4 years to release |
| 08:33.04 | nevcairiel | for some reason it feels like the anime people are actually trying to break playback for as many people as possible |
| 08:33.25 | Mr_Rabies | no, but almost all the subgroups swapped to 10-bit when CCCP 11-11-11 was released |
| 08:33.35 | Mr_Rabies | you know, the version that says, in its release notes: |
| 08:34.06 | Mr_Rabies | Thanks to Nevcairiel we now have much better ISO Media Container (also known as mp4, based on mov), FLV, MPEG-TS parsing and splitting. |
| 08:34.07 | Mr_Rabies | :p |
| 08:34.14 | karl_w_w | most people are sadly ignorant to the gloriousness that is cccp, Mr_Rabies |
| 08:34.19 | nevcairiel | i dont use codec packs |
| 08:34.36 | karl_w_w | it's not a codec pack :P |
| 08:34.55 | karl_w_w | despite it's name, there is only 1 codec |
| 08:34.58 | nevcairiel | what do the last c and p stand for then? |
| 08:35.09 | Mr_Rabies | the latest version is apparently more nevcairiel-centric |
| 08:35.23 | Mr_Rabies | FFDShow and its continuation, FFDShow-tryouts are now away, and instead we have pretty much everything except for Matroska splitting based on nevcairiel's LAV Filters. |
| 08:35.24 | nevcairiel | they are slowly swapping to a lot of my stuff |
| 08:35.48 | Mr_Rabies | make a nevcairielbox that i can plug in and play all my animu for under $200 |
| 08:35.51 | Mr_Rabies | thanks in advance :( |
| 08:36.40 | karl_w_w | it's a pack because there are other things in there |
| 08:36.56 | karl_w_w | like mpc and a couple of splitters i think? |
| 08:37.03 | karl_w_w | i havent installed the latest yet |
| 08:37.16 | nevcairiel | it has more then one codec, because it comes with video and audio at the very least :P |
| 08:37.25 | Mr_Rabies | i don't know crap about it |
| 08:37.44 | Mr_Rabies | last time i tried to rip a show i actually made it look worse than the divx release that predated it |
| 08:38.16 | Mr_Rabies | by 8 years :< |
| 08:38.34 | karl_w_w | it uses lav for everything nevcairiel |
| 08:38.45 | nevcairiel | there is still 2 lav codecs, audio and video! |
| 08:38.49 | nevcairiel | i know, because i wrote them! |
| 08:38.50 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 08:39.20 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 08:39.46 | karl_w_w | well i don't consider them working together as a codec pack :P |
| 08:40.01 | karl_w_w | maybe I'm just a foolish lunatic! |
| 08:40.34 | nevcairiel | that much is certain |
| 08:41.50 | nevcairiel | i suppose these days its much less of a pack because there is just a goto-filter you use instead of collecting 5 different ones |
| 08:42.08 | karl_w_w | http://i50.tinypic.com/24z8voy.png |
| 08:43.47 | karl_w_w | oh they redid the settings |
| 08:43.53 | karl_w_w | it's much nicer now |
| 08:46.55 | Sintacks | :| I hate "script ran too long" errors |
| 08:48.13 | karl_w_w | who doesn't? |
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| 08:50.21 | Sintacks | i know to know the reasoning behind their change :| |
| 08:51.54 | Sintacks | want to know* |
| 08:52.36 | karl_w_w | my money is on brain damage |
| 08:55.27 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 08:55.52 | Mr_Rabies | i just realized that i somehow managed to break the aspect ratio on my attempt to have a higher-quality version than the divx one from 2004 |
| 08:56.10 | Sintacks | of what |
| 08:57.08 | Mr_Rabies | Otaku no Video |
| 08:57.09 | Mr_Rabies | http://imgur.com/a/fdznz |
| 08:57.12 | Mr_Rabies | mine's the second one |
| 08:57.25 | Mr_Rabies | it IS a lot crisper, though |
| 08:57.34 | Mr_Rabies | i wonder if maybe their aspect ratio's the broken one, hmm |
| 08:57.58 | Sintacks | ueaj/ upi |
| 08:57.59 | Sintacks | er |
| 08:58.03 | Sintacks | yeah. you broke the ratio |
| 08:58.14 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i did |
| 08:58.34 | Mr_Rabies | it's got serious panning issues too |
| 08:58.49 | Mr_Rabies | i think i had handbrake do some deinterlacing and messed up something |
| 09:01.41 | Mr_Rabies | it's fun to learn though |
| 09:02.24 | Mr_Rabies | one of these days i'll be the encoder for a famous subgroup! :o |
| 09:02.31 | karl_w_w | hahah |
| 09:09.24 | Mr_Rabies | hmmm |
| 09:09.35 | Mr_Rabies | turns out I DIDN'T break the aspect ratio, the dvd's broken |
| 09:09.43 | Mr_Rabies | and this other subgroup fixed it |
| 09:09.53 | Mr_Rabies | http://imgur.com/a/fdznz#2 |
| 09:10.12 | Mr_Rabies | actually, mine's a little wider than the dvd even |
| 09:10.15 | Mr_Rabies | what the heck |
| 09:10.47 | nevcairiel | accidentally encoded square pixels? :d |
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| 09:13.08 | Mr_Rabies | hell if i know, i just poke handbrake until it starts doing things and see how much i broke it |
| 09:13.24 | Mr_Rabies | still manage to be crisper than the dvd itself, though, somehow O_o |
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| 09:21.45 | karl_w_w | got the denoise turned on Mr_Rabies? |
| 09:22.28 | nevcairiel | anime is usually easy to clean up because there is rarely film grain you want to preserve |
| 09:22.28 | Mr_Rabies | i can't remember, i did it in a haze a day or two before dragoncon and haven't touched it since |
| 09:22.42 | Mr_Rabies | i'm actually against cleaning up film grain on anime, personally |
| 09:22.56 | Mr_Rabies | minimally, at most |
| 09:27.17 | Mr_Rabies | i guess it depends on the stock |
| 09:27.48 | nevcairiel | its not filmed, so there is no film grain, unless someone decided to artificially add it to give it a less clinical look |
| 09:28.10 | nevcairiel | unless its really old anime which actually was filmed to some degree :P |
| 09:28.41 | Mr_Rabies | a lot of old anime was filmed :D |
| 09:28.47 | Mr_Rabies | http://i.imgur.com/IWht3.png |
| 09:28.53 | Mr_Rabies | lookit dat beautiful grain |
| 09:28.58 | chiel | i have no idea what you guys are on about. :D |
| 09:30.40 | karl_w_w | all dvds have noise on them :P |
| 09:31.01 | Mr_Rabies | dvd noise and film grain are totally different things, though |
| 09:31.27 | karl_w_w | yes, yes they are |
| 09:31.35 | Mr_Rabies | dvd noise is artifacting caused by mpeg 2 being terrible at its job |
| 09:31.56 | stuf | reminds me that the DVB standard here in finland is shite |
| 09:32.00 | stuf | 2Mbps MPEG2 |
| 09:32.02 | karl_w_w | turns Mr_Rabies into an artifact |
| 09:32.46 | Mr_Rabies | i can't believe anime tv shows produced to this day master at 480p sometimes still |
| 09:33.09 | Mr_Rabies | it was already kind of appalling when they did it with gurren lagann |
| 09:33.16 | Mr_Rabies | but now, there's no excuse |
| 09:33.39 | Mr_Rabies | and then there was the digital dark ages of 1998-2006 or so |
| 09:33.50 | Mr_Rabies | where they mastered almost exclusively to digital, poorly |
| 09:33.57 | Mr_Rabies | even if it was drawn on cels originally |
| 09:34.03 | karl_w_w | http://www.amazon.com/Canon-5565B001-Mouse-Computer-Calculator/dp/B005QB8YZ6 wat |
| 09:34.04 | stuf | also, don't forget studios fucking up the range |
| 09:34.28 | Mr_Rabies | most everything from that era is never gonna look much better than the dvds |
| 09:34.39 | Mr_Rabies | cowboy bebop's partially victim to that |
| 09:34.41 | stuf | seizon was mastered horridly |
| 09:35.05 | Mr_Rabies | even though it was 90% cel, they did digital postproduction and only saved it at 480p |
| 09:35.07 | Mr_Rabies | and dumped the cels |
| 09:35.12 | stuf | lolwat |
| 09:35.17 | karl_w_w | smart |
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| 09:35.33 | karl_w_w | unless by dumped you mean sold for a tidy profit |
| 09:35.41 | karl_w_w | in which case subtract sarcasm |
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| 09:36.02 | Mr_Rabies | nah, most likely just literally thrown in the dumpster |
| 09:36.08 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 09:36.16 | Mr_Rabies | very few shows kept the cels after production |
| 09:36.25 | Mr_Rabies | if the studio was particularly low budget |
| 09:36.33 | Mr_Rabies | they'd scrape the paint and marker off and reuse the cels |
| 09:42.16 | Mr_Rabies | i really hope they find a feasible way to save to vector format sometime :( |
| 09:42.44 | Mr_Rabies | it's just not realistic if you consider post-production, etc |
| 09:42.46 | nevcairiel | h.264 has a vector profile, but not like anything supports it |
| 09:43.06 | Mr_Rabies | well, i mean the studios doing animation |
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| 09:43.34 | Mr_Rabies | instead they draw as vector, do post production, and then save as raster |
| 09:52.03 | Mr_Rabies | lol i was trying to find a good screenshot from this film and then i realized the entirety of the first 25 minutes of this film are pure, never-ending, chaos and brutality |
| 09:53.09 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jCJFlGMKOM |
| 09:53.22 | Mr_Rabies | herein youtube compresses the heck out of a beautiful looking film :( |
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| 10:55.11 | karl_w_w | Mr_Rabies: it's a good thing nobody watches films on youtube then |
| 10:55.57 | Mr_Rabies | i watch OVAs on youtube sometimes, those are kind of like films |
| 10:57.40 | Mr_Rabies | usually only stuff that only has a laserdisc release though |
| 10:57.58 | Mr_Rabies | where downloading it isn't gonna do much to help visual quality |
| 11:11.20 | VIad | nevcairiel: maybe I broke something :< |
| 11:11.45 | VIad | http://i.imgur.com/DEYZu.jpg |
| 11:12.02 | nevcairiel | maybe you're just not deserving |
| 11:12.11 | VIad | :( |
| 11:12.32 | nevcairiel | its normal for this to happen at the start of the year, the new budget is probably not configured in yet |
| 11:12.36 | VIad | ^^ |
| 11:12.39 | VIad | tru dat |
| 11:15.35 | Fisker | man nevcairiel |
| 11:15.42 | Fisker | you'd think stuff like scep would work on android |
| 11:16.03 | VIad | ~dict scep |
| 11:16.40 | nevcairiel | who the hell uses scep |
| 11:19.50 | chiel | hm |
| 11:19.59 | chiel | is 32 the maximum amount of buffs one can have? |
| 11:20.41 | nevcairiel | i dont remember, it changed too often |
| 11:20.56 | Fisker | everyone in the world nevcairiel |
| 11:21.04 | Fisker | i want it since i wanna do hacky stuff on network |
| 11:21.13 | nevcairiel | apparently everyone except android users |
| 11:21.19 | Fisker | :( |
| 11:21.23 | Fisker | android users wanna use it |
| 11:21.24 | nevcairiel | isnt scep rather insecure |
| 11:21.28 | Fisker | idk |
| 11:21.35 | Fisker | but i need a certificate |
| 11:21.48 | Fisker | though i guess i could make a user certificate for myself that allows login |
| 11:21.51 | Fisker | :D |
| 11:27.35 | VIad | how can you use scept when it's undefined even for dict? :< |
| 11:29.19 | VIad | are the certificates used to grant devices secure access or something? is it like a thingy for AD login or something on the side? |
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| 13:45.15 | Sintacks | has anyone seen any of blizzard's own code throw a script ran too long error |
| 13:50.47 | Adys | plenty of times snacks |
| 13:50.52 | Adys | sintacks |
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| 14:11.55 | nevcairiel | secure code doesnt trigger it, just tainted code |
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| 14:18.00 | VIad | if you purposefully taint everything trough _G (no addons), would the default UI throw these errors then? :p if so, would be funny, just throwing errors to annoy the user ^^ |
| 14:18.13 | VIad | talking about the script ran too long errors |
| 14:18.29 | nevcairiel | it would break long before it got to the point of throwing such errors |
| 14:18.40 | VIad | tihi |
| 14:18.49 | VIad | an idea |
| 14:19.26 | nevcairiel | during normal play you should never see those errors |
| 14:19.41 | nevcairiel | the error means one single lua handler was running longer then 150ms |
| 14:19.52 | nevcairiel | at that time, it'll severly limit your fps |
| 14:20.02 | VIad | omnicc threw these and the animations of finished cooldowns started to bug :( |
| 14:20.28 | VIad | omnicc is a cooldown timer addon |
| 14:23.57 | karl_w_w | <nevcairiel> secure code doesnt trigger it, just tainted code <- sure about that? |
| 14:24.28 | nevcairiel | i should've said tainted execution, but yes |
| 14:25.19 | karl_w_w | i use omnicc and it's one of the few addons I have which hasn't thrown one VIad |
| 14:25.35 | karl_w_w | other than the addons I code of course, they never do it :P |
| 14:25.39 | nevcairiel | only time i ever saw it was when i opened SUFs config in combat |
| 14:26.07 | karl_w_w | i get them in combat sometimes |
| 14:26.11 | karl_w_w | just randomly |
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| 14:26.21 | nevcairiel | are you playing with like 5 fps? |
| 14:26.24 | karl_w_w | well, once it happens it doesn't happen again in that session |
| 14:26.32 | karl_w_w | nope, decent fps |
| 14:26.35 | karl_w_w | like 30 |
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| 14:28.42 | Neffi | Does anyone here use Murmur (Mumble server) on their desktop? |
| 14:29.41 | Neffi | I'm playing WoW on a laptop (dual-core Sandy Bridge) and I'm wondering how well Murmer would handle ~10 connected people on this machine |
| 14:35.37 | karl_w_w | i doubt fps would be an issue, more likely bandwidth |
| 14:37.32 | karl_w_w | seeing as you have to relay 72 voice connections |
| 14:37.46 | karl_w_w | my mistake, 81 |
| 14:37.47 | nevcairiel | yeah i dont think a voice server is all that active on cpu |
| 14:38.18 | karl_w_w | 81 outbound and 9 inbound |
| 14:38.34 | Lopeppeppy | it's wicked odd to go from Windows 8 all break back to... XP. |
| 14:38.39 | nevcairiel | if its smart it combines the voices on the server into one outbound stream each |
| 14:38.58 | karl_w_w | not possible |
| 14:39.10 | Neffi | karl_w_w: 81? I assumed it concat'd all of the connections into a single one for each user |
| 14:39.13 | karl_w_w | other people wouldn't be able to mute ppl and such |
| 14:39.15 | Neffi | instead of sending them individual user streams |
| 14:39.29 | nevcairiel | they could tell the server which streams to forward to them |
| 14:39.53 | Neffi | It's technically possible. Are you sure Murmur doesn't support that karl_w_w? |
| 14:39.59 | karl_w_w | what about special effects and things? |
| 14:40.23 | nevcairiel | in any case, its only an issue if everyone talks at the same time |
| 14:40.37 | karl_w_w | if murmur is much simpler than vent then yeah it would be possible |
| 14:40.38 | nevcairiel | its still mix all packets into one connection i'm sure |
| 14:40.51 | karl_w_w | but im not sure why they would design a system like that, it's much more limiting |
| 14:41.00 | nevcairiel | also much more efficient |
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| 15:09.50 | TC-work | ~ping |
| 15:09.50 | purl | ~pong |
| 15:10.10 | Kalroth | ~pang |
| 15:10.14 | neutronimity | ~ding |
| 15:10.15 | purl | dong |
| 15:10.31 | neutronimity | :O! |
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| 15:25.49 | mckenziemc | ~Fiskerslap neutronimity |
| 15:25.49 | purl | ACTION slaps neutronimity around a bit with Fisker. |
| 15:33.43 | Lopeppeppy | Ouch. |
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| 15:34.10 | |Jelly| | tackle-hugs Peppy! |
| 15:34.23 | Lopeppeppy | Oyez, Jelly-bear. |
| 15:36.50 | |Jelly| | farming :( |
| 15:37.49 | Lopeppeppy | That which does not kill us does not damage our armor durability, Jelly. |
| 15:38.38 | |Jelly| | Well, at least I've gotten quite a few golden lotus from it. |
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| 15:42.31 | Lopeppeppy | And this is profitable, I expect. |
| 15:42.47 | TC-work | ~whaleslap |Jelly| |
| 15:42.47 | purl | ACTION beats |Jelly| upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 15:42.54 | Unkle | Happy New Year all you sick, twisted freaks. |
| 15:43.14 | karl_w_w | you're too kind |
| 15:43.25 | TC-work | if we are all freaks, doesn't that make us the norm... |
| 15:43.45 | Unkle | No, you're a tiny minority in the grand scheme of things. |
| 15:43.48 | TC-work | which would mean we were no longer freaks... |
| 15:44.30 | mckenziemc | unless being freaks is the norm |
| 15:44.43 | Krapsy | yeah tc |
| 15:44.50 | Krapsy | thats what freak means |
| 15:45.00 | Krapsy | a strange minority |
| 15:45.12 | |Jelly| | ~whalestab TC-work |
| 15:45.13 | purl | ACTION stabs TC-work with a rather narrow and pointy whale named Montgomery |
| 15:45.20 | TC-work | ~whaleparry |Jelly| |
| 15:45.20 | purl | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry |Jelly|'s attacks. |
| 15:45.37 | TC-work | ah, good old days |
| 15:46.44 | |Jelly| | haha |
| 15:47.12 | Lopeppeppy | I love you anyway, Unkle. |
| 15:47.43 | mckenziemc | Krapsy: so we *are* all freaks |
| 15:47.58 | TC-work | Lopeppeppy: 'anyway'? You do realize you probably define Unkle's comment. |
| 15:48.05 | mckenziemc | points to the absence of other live in the universe |
| 15:48.19 | TC-work | I mean, you actually like mega shark vs. giant octopus. |
| 15:48.26 | |Jelly| | I got more occupied soils than I got golden lotus in this round. ಠ_ಠ |
| 15:48.48 | Lopeppeppy | Love me some occupied soils? |
| 15:49.00 | Lopeppeppy | TC, we've known for a while that I'm a weird kind of penguin. |
| 15:49.33 | Unkle | You're a PENGUIN? Now I understand you so much better! |
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| 15:52.49 | |Jelly| | I uhh, hmm .. no |
| 15:54.21 | Krapsy | mckenziemc: lovable freaks :3 |
| 15:54.51 | TC-work | Krapsy: I read that as 'Loveable freaks 3', which i suspect is a porno. |
| 15:55.15 | Krapsy | probably |
| 15:55.25 | TC-work | Lopeppeppy: Yes, but you sounded almost offended at Unkle's comment. |
| 15:55.36 | Unkle | It's the prequel to Midget Clown Party |
| 15:56.53 | TC-work | the name isn't corny enough to pass as a porno. |
| 15:57.25 | TC-work | needs a number |
| 15:58.04 | Krapsy | actual titles of pornos are hilarious |
| 15:58.31 | Krapsy | unintentionally |
| 15:58.37 | Neffi | SetTexCoord is seriously acting fucking strange |
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| 15:58.56 | Neffi | It's definitely not mapping corner points according to how any of the wiki resources say it should |
| 15:59.48 | Lopeppeppy | TC, I promise that Unkle didn't offend me. If he had, I've have torqued him off in private and we would never speak again, like what happened with me and Jelly after the incident with the pickled herring! |
| 16:00.11 | foxlit | Neffi: hm? |
| 16:00.19 | |Jelly| | I .. I didn't think we were ever going to bring that up again?! |
| 16:00.26 | Lopeppeppy | Oops. Sorry. |
| 16:00.26 | Neffi | foxlit: Certain values gives results that just don't add up to reality |
| 16:00.32 | TC-work | well some of them Krapsy, i mean, what part of 'I banged my daughters boyfriend' comes across as humorous. |
| 16:00.39 | foxlit | And which values are those? |
| 16:01.39 | Neffi | Trying to make a bar that's slanted by 45 degrees. I can make the left side slant by modifying topleft's X value by -(height/width). But the right edge doesn't behave correctly at any value for X. I need to modify Y by the same value to get the same results. |
| 16:02.43 | Neffi | And the right edge blurs but the left edge doesnt |
| 16:02.58 | TC-work | Lopeppeppy: and here i thought i managed to offend you at blizzcon, but i guess not since you are still speaking to me. I guess it was just 'disgust' you. |
| 16:04.02 | Neffi | foxlit: What I'm trying to do if you can give me pointers: http://i.imgur.com/irg7I.jpg |
| 16:04.30 | Neffi | That's at the values: -(h/w),0, 0,0, 1,0, 1,-(h/w) |
| 16:06.58 | Neffi | Which doesn't even make sense, because the last 2 args are: LLx, LLy. If I feed the Y value 1 (no change) and set the X value to same "inset", it shows up entirely wrong |
| 16:07.16 | Lopeppeppy | Offend is much harder, truth. |
| 16:08.27 | foxlit | Neffi: don't do that; texture in the space outside the unit square is not defined. |
| 16:09.14 | Neffi | foxlit: It's fine. The texture itself has a 1px border of transparency. When you do something like this, it takes the edge pixel and repeats it to fill the undefined space. That's how I achieve transparency. |
| 16:09.19 | Neffi | It's well within the spec of SetTexCoord |
| 16:09.46 | foxlit | Considering there's no official spec of anything, you're making rather bold statements :) |
| 16:10.08 | Neffi | Well, it's within how SetTexCoord has always worked since the WoWWiki writeup was first done |
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| 16:10.31 | Neffi | I only have a few options to get a slanted bar like this, and they're all ugly. This is the easiest to accomplish, in theory. |
| 16:11.07 | foxlit | I'm merely reporting what I see when I skew interface/icons/temp |
| 16:11.25 | foxlit | I get an entirely unrelated image in the top left corner. |
| 16:12.11 | foxlit | Neffi: That's at the values: -(h/w),0, 0,0, 1,0, 1,-(h/w) << this seems wrong, though |
| 16:12.20 | Neffi | It does |
| 16:12.23 | Neffi | but give me a sec |
| 16:12.36 | foxlit | the second pair in particular -- lower left corner of the image is 0,1, not 0,0. |
| 16:13.01 | Neffi | I know |
| 16:13.11 | Neffi | wait.. it should be 1,1, |
| 16:13.29 | Neffi | the origin 0,0 is the topleft. x values are from the left, and y from the top |
| 16:14.22 | Neffi | The "correct" value if I was just trying for a 50% skew would be: |
| 16:14.42 | Neffi | +/-.5,0, 0,0, 1,0, +/-.5,1 |
| 16:14.49 | Neffi | I don't remember whether it should be pos/neg |
| 16:14.54 | Neffi | but if I put in those values, this happens: |
| 16:15.00 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/ZjnEj.jpg |
| 16:15.11 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwYTibTbYHQ pencils would look so much nicer if they didn't put all that paint on them and just put the transparent coat on |
| 16:15.19 | chiel | Neffi: very colourful! :D |
| 16:15.34 | chiel | Neffi: what addon is it saying plants are reasy to farm on alts? |
| 16:15.38 | chiel | ready* |
| 16:15.43 | Neffi | As you can see, topleft always skews as expected. The right side fucks up consistently. |
| 16:15.55 | Neffi | chiel: I'm guessing Spade |
| 16:15.59 | Neffi | it's an OPie plugin |
| 16:16.06 | chiel | ah right |
| 16:16.07 | Neffi | it's really awesome. go download it. |
| 16:16.15 | chiel | i don't have oPie :) |
| 16:16.20 | Neffi | it's worth it |
| 16:16.24 | Neffi | it makes farming so much easier |
| 16:16.31 | foxlit | Neffi: your "correct" values are wrong. |
| 16:16.35 | foxlit | terribly so. |
| 16:16.43 | chiel | how does it make it easier? |
| 16:16.44 | Neffi | what should be the correct ones? |
| 16:16.56 | foxlit | Try 0.5,0, 0,1, 1,0, 1.5,1 |
| 16:17.07 | Neffi | chiel: Never give around in your bags to: plant, harvest, water, etc |
| 16:17.18 | Neffi | See the addon description |
| 16:17.21 | Neffi | it's just much easier to farm |
| 16:17.30 | chiel | yeah, looked it up |
| 16:17.41 | chiel | i have exalted with tillers on 3 characters now |
| 16:17.51 | chiel | so i just use the plough |
| 16:18.12 | foxlit | Neffi: er. -0.5,0, 0,1, 1,0, 1.5,1 |
| 16:18.52 | Neffi | foxlit: That was it |
| 16:19.03 | Neffi | now let me translate that back into my thin slanted bar and see what I get |
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| 16:20.35 | Neffi | foxlit: <3 http://i.imgur.com/PFmyx.jpg |
| 16:27.50 | chiel | nice :) |
| 16:27.56 | chiel | Neffi: what will you be using it for? |
| 16:27.57 | chiel | energy? |
| 16:28.38 | karl_w_w | he likes to gauge his trade trolling success |
| 16:28.42 | Neffi | chiel: See my Photoshop mockup. http://i48.tinypic.com/j982sn.png |
| 16:28.55 | chiel | ah i see |
| 16:29.20 | nevcairiel | that reminds me of some fps game.. |
| 16:29.31 | Seerah | Neffi: what's the red arrow above your unit frame? |
| 16:29.36 | chiel | it's nice i guess since it's not just rectangular |
| 16:29.39 | Neffi | Seerah: Cast "bar" |
| 16:29.48 | karl_w_w | it reminds me of wipeout |
| 16:29.53 | Neffi | never played wipeout |
| 16:29.55 | chiel | ah, does that arrow move? |
| 16:29.59 | Neffi | yes |
| 16:30.07 | chiel | swanky |
| 16:30.08 | Humbedooh | but....wipeout! |
| 16:30.09 | Neffi | travels along the edge according to the cast's progress |
| 16:30.12 | foxlit | those 4x4 pixel buff icons are totally going to be useful! |
| 16:30.15 | Seerah | does the 5.8 move with it? |
| 16:30.25 | Unkle | That's a lot of info-density in a few bars/colors. |
| 16:30.36 | karl_w_w | i dont remember which version of wipeout, one of the relatively recent |
| 16:30.42 | chiel | yea i was wondering what all those little squares etc were.. those are buffs? |
| 16:30.42 | Neffi | foxlit: The idea is that (de)buffs I care about are emphasized by being large and placed first. The ones I dont care about are small and come after |
| 16:30.58 | chiel | right, but in the actual game you'd show the icons i imagine? |
| 16:31.01 | TC-work | nevcairiel: I dunno about fps, but it kinda reminds me of various side combat games like mortal combat, etc. |
| 16:31.15 | chiel | Neffi: will you be implementing this in oUF or what? |
| 16:31.17 | Neffi | I don't give two shits what kind of mount somebody is riding, but if I DO want to know what it is, at least I can mouseover the 8px-wide area to find out |
| 16:31.23 | Neffi | chiel: All custom code |
| 16:31.37 | chiel | i see :) |
| 16:31.38 | Neffi | It'll be on http://code.google.com/p/neffi-wow/ eventually if you want to play with it |
| 16:32.02 | Neffi | Not by index magnitude. Just emphasized or not. |
| 16:32.30 | chiel | Neffi: will they have the actual icons in them though, in the game? |
| 16:32.35 | Neffi | of course |
| 16:32.42 | chiel | i wish i had your dedication to make something like this, hehe |
| 16:32.54 | Neffi | things will change once I put it into place. It depends on how things "feel" when I have a chance to actually play with it |
| 16:33.03 | chiel | yeah makes sense |
| 16:33.08 | Neffi | Well it's very easy when you're free to code things to behave as you want and need them |
| 16:33.15 | chiel | i am making raid frames with oUF and even that is pretty hard for me xD |
| 16:33.20 | Neffi | Eg I don't have to implement shit like DK runes because I dont play DKs |
| 16:33.26 | chiel | yeah |
| 16:33.35 | nevcairiel | with oUF it seems not too complicated, just some graphics, but i dont think i would write a UF from scratch, just too much shit to handle :p |
| 16:33.46 | chiel | i made a small chi frame from scratch for my monk, that was quite fun :) |
| 16:34.00 | chiel | i really like oUF |
| 16:34.11 | chiel | but some stuff really puzzles me |
| 16:34.14 | foxlit | heh, must do dailies while valor of the ancients from last weeks persists |
| 16:34.27 | nevcairiel | did they still not fix that? |
| 16:34.29 | Neffi | not really much to write to make UFs TBH |
| 16:34.30 | Neffi | http://code.google.com/p/neffi-wow/source/browse/trunk#trunk%2FnfUnitFrames |
| 16:34.35 | foxlit | nevcairiel: no. |
| 16:34.35 | Neffi | the code is pretty small |
| 16:35.01 | foxlit | first log-in to first proper server handover, I think. |
| 16:35.44 | chiel | Neffi: i suppose, but i am (still) a noob at wow's api and such |
| 16:35.45 | nevcairiel | are you taking over the blizzard unit frames or what? |
| 16:35.58 | chiel | so if i write from scratch.. probably will take me about a year |
| 16:35.59 | nevcairiel | hm no |
| 16:36.07 | nevcairiel | but you're not registering a single event :p |
| 16:36.36 | nevcairiel | ah its in different files |
| 16:36.40 | nevcairiel | what an odd layout :P |
| 16:37.14 | foxlit | hm, new event handling plan: spawn a new frame for every event handler. |
| 16:37.37 | karl_w_w | http://www.theaveragegamer.com/wp-content/Screenshots/WipeoutPure/WipeoutPure03.jpg |
| 16:38.04 | nevcairiel | karl_w_w: link no worky |
| 16:38.12 | nevcairiel | i get some error page from some cloud hoster |
| 16:38.14 | chiel | oh btw one thing i was wondering |
| 16:38.21 | karl_w_w | yeah it took an age for it to load for me |
| 16:38.22 | chiel | if inside a lua file i just return |
| 16:38.27 | chiel | does it stop execution of that file? |
| 16:38.34 | karl_w_w | http://www.giocattoleria.it/wp-content/uploads/wipeout-pure1.jpg |
| 16:38.37 | nevcairiel | chiel: yes |
| 16:38.40 | haste | unit frames have a bunch of crap you need to handle tho' |
| 16:38.46 | chiel | ok splendid :) |
| 16:38.58 | nevcairiel | you cant do it from within a function of course |
| 16:38.58 | haste | writing a pair of "static" unit frames is fairly easy |
| 16:39.03 | karl_w_w | http://www.dignews.com/legacy/screenshots/wipeout_pure_13.jpg better one |
| 16:39.07 | nevcairiel | just blocks you dont otherwise return from |
| 16:39.07 | chiel | nevcairiel: nah, i realise :) |
| 16:39.09 | haste | but even simple options crap up things a lot |
| 16:39.18 | chiel | haste: just the man i need! |
| 16:39.27 | chiel | i know what you're thinking now... "oh shit" |
| 16:39.50 | nevcairiel | he was thinking "i better leave again" and did! |
| 16:39.55 | chiel | haha |
| 16:40.03 | haste | actually, I'm thinking: What the fuck are they watching on TV now |
| 16:40.09 | chiel | x |
| 16:40.10 | chiel | xD |
| 16:40.11 | nevcairiel | they? |
| 16:40.19 | chiel | i was wondering two things |
| 16:40.27 | haste | two of the people I live with nevcairiel :P |
| 16:40.34 | nevcairiel | i see |
| 16:40.46 | Lopeppeppy | I miss Zoobilee Zoo. |
| 16:41.04 | chiel | 1) i want to show a small texture when a debuff shows up i can dispel (like a magic debuff or whatever), is there any easy way to do that with oUF? (i'm guessing no) |
| 16:41.24 | karl_w_w | Neffi why is your ui so small? :P |
| 16:41.37 | chiel | 2) i want to handle when people disconnect by changing frame opacity.. however when i tried doing this while spawning, it applies the alpha to the entire group |
| 16:41.42 | chiel | any way to avoid that? :D |
| 16:42.00 | nevcairiel | 2) sounds like you just did something wrong |
| 16:42.17 | foxlit | karl_w_w: overcompensating for a very large something else. |
| 16:42.24 | haste | 2) apply alpha to the frame, not the header |
| 16:42.48 | karl_w_w | makes sense foxlit :P |
| 16:42.59 | chiel | haste: hmm, but when i spawn, i only get "party" for example, rather than party1, party2 etc |
| 16:43.12 | haste | yes, because they're the same unit |
| 16:43.19 | haste | you still get the single frame |
| 16:43.47 | chiel | hmm ok, but how would i check if the unit is disconnected? i was using UnitIsConnected(unit) |
| 16:43.51 | chiel | but unit is party |
| 16:44.08 | chiel | is there any way to detect the actual unit? |
| 16:45.20 | haste | don't check for that under creation |
| 16:45.33 | haste | register the event to a function and check it there |
| 16:45.48 | Neffi | karl_w_w: "why is your ui so small" what? |
| 16:46.42 | Dagmar | It's cold out. |
| 16:46.50 | mikma | rtharper: don't you dare to come into Helsinki, or in Lempäälä |
| 16:47.04 | rtharper | why not?! |
| 16:47.25 | mikma | rtharper: i forbid you, you need to stay in sweden for whole summer!!!!111 |
| 16:47.34 | chiel | haste: hmm ok, not 100% sure what you mean by that but i guess i will try again tonight :) |
| 16:47.38 | rtharper | varför? |
| 16:47.39 | Dagmar | eddyb: There is no middle ground with germ warfare. |
| 16:47.47 | Dagmar | nm |
| 16:47.54 | mikma | rtharper: the longer i get you to stay there, you'll turn more gay.... no, wait |
| 16:48.05 | rtharper | yeah exactly |
| 16:48.07 | TC-work | Try not to get us all killed Dagmar |
| 16:48.15 | TC-work | that conversation can't end well |
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| 16:48.38 | mikma | rtharper: also, there's no sauna + snow available in lempäälä at summertime |
| 16:49.02 | rtharper | hehe |
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| 16:51.59 | wodim | hi, i don't know whether this is a correct channel to ask, but: do you know how words are chosen when converting from Common to the garbled language the horde sees? http://www.wowwiki.com/Common_(language)#Common_Words_.28speculation.29 |
| 16:52.08 | Dagmar | Tc-Work: acutally trying to explain to someone that their bizarre little thought experiment was a non-starter. |
| 16:52.23 | neutronimity | I Just curious; Is there a way to hide the loading screen? Make it transparent or something? |
| 16:53.10 | Dagmar | Do you really need to be able to look at porn that badly while waiting for the game to load? |
| 16:53.23 | |Jelly| | Is that even a question? |
| 16:53.25 | Unkle | wodim: Google will show you lots of work done in the past on that, but since making translation between factions happen is one of the few things that will get you banned permanently... why bother. |
| 16:53.44 | TC-work | wodim: Well, this normally would be the correct place to ask, but trying to translate that stuff is against the ToS/ToU so we don't discuss such things here. If it's for a different reason that's something else. |
| 16:54.01 | TC-work | damit Unkle, type slower |
| 16:54.04 | wodim | i'm not trying to understand what they say |
| 16:54.06 | wodim | it's not possible |
| 16:54.29 | wodim | since all words are converted to those, and no information is retained (it's a algorithm with losses) |
| 16:54.30 | TC-work | unless they randomized it, it is possible, or at least it was. |
| 16:54.35 | neutronimity | I don't need to look at porn. |
| 16:54.48 | Unkle | It's very simple substitution. It's still verboten. |
| 16:54.53 | foxlit | TC-work: there are much fewer translations than there are words. |
| 16:55.03 | wodim | what foxlit said |
| 16:55.30 | foxlit | So even if you know exactly what they do, you cannot distinguish between a large number of messages. |
| 16:55.37 | wodim | what i'm trying to understand is why some words always are read as the same |
| 16:55.47 | wodim | no, i just want to emulate it |
| 16:56.00 | TC-work | I don't know how they do it anymore, but I do know that it used to be possible to translate it. |
| 16:56.25 | wodim | i don't think it's possible, again |
| 16:56.34 | wodim | there are like 15 four-letter words in that table |
| 16:56.40 | wodim | but how many four-letter words does english have? |
| 16:56.46 | wodim | it's irreversible |
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| 16:57.28 | mckenziemc | well, when you consider the low entropy of the english language, it migth be easier when you have a whole phrase |
| 16:57.35 | TC-work | is lol -> kek still in effect? |
| 16:57.44 | wodim | as of 3.3.5a, it is :p |
| 16:57.47 | chiel | think so yeah |
| 16:57.50 | chiel | and lol -> bur |
| 16:57.59 | mckenziemc | depends which language |
| 16:58.00 | chiel | (i play horde :p) |
| 16:58.50 | TC-work | so the translated garble is always constant? |
| 16:59.02 | wodim | it is |
| 16:59.02 | TC-work | consistant |
| 16:59.24 | mckenziemc | you haven't seen the y o u lo se and a n a l macros? |
| 16:59.42 | wodim | when a human says 'hola' it's always translated as 'nuff' if you're an orc. i want to know how that conversion is done. |
| 17:00.12 | chiel | orcs ftw :> |
| 17:00.33 | TC-work | is it always single character -> single character? |
| 17:00.37 | nevcairiel | its only constant for very short words though, longer words have no fixed mapping, something weird happens with them |
| 17:00.41 | wodim | yes |
| 17:00.44 | wodim | nevcairiel: yes? |
| 17:00.48 | wodim | hmm |
| 17:00.54 | Lopeppeppy | wodim, it's done by the wow servers. To mess with the language barrier is not allowed by the TOS/EULA. |
| 17:01.00 | nevcairiel | in any case, cross-faction communication is still against the ToS last i checked, so no talking here |
| 17:01.07 | TC-work | we went over that Lopeppeppy :) |
| 17:01.17 | wodim | are you sure Lopeppeppy ? haven't seen anything in mangos code, but maybe i didn't pay enough attention |
| 17:01.26 | chiel | i really wish they never removed that you can't have characters of both factions on pvp realm |
| 17:01.27 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, I'm soooo behind. But yes, wodim, we are sure of that. |
| 17:01.37 | wodim | so it should be inside mangos |
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| 17:01.49 | chiel | in fact, i wish they wouldn't allow you to have characters on both factions on any realm, period. |
| 17:02.40 | TC-work | does that mean they nix whispers for beginning pandas before they pick a side? |
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| 17:03.02 | mckenziemc | can't send/receive to horde/alliance |
| 17:03.14 | mckenziemc | they're like a third faction |
| 17:03.16 | chiel | you can't communicate with pandas before they pick a side |
| 17:03.30 | wodim | when do pandas pick a side? what lvl? |
| 17:03.31 | chiel | which makes sense, if you ask me |
| 17:03.34 | chiel | around 12-13 |
| 17:03.46 | chiel | i guess it's supposed to be around 10 |
| 17:03.48 | wodim | what classes can a panda be? |
| 17:03.49 | chiel | but i had heirlooms |
| 17:03.57 | wodim | only monk? |
| 17:04.02 | mckenziemc | no |
| 17:04.15 | mckenziemc | www.wowpedia.org/Pandaren_(playable) |
| 17:04.16 | TC-work | wodim: http://www.wowhead.com/race=26 |
| 17:04.30 | mckenziemc | stop typing so slow TC-work |
| 17:04.39 | TC-work | I added the name in mckenziemc |
| 17:04.42 | wodim | it's the only race that can't become a deathknight |
| 17:05.03 | mckenziemc | i typed a longer URL and added the www. as an afterthought |
| 17:05.04 | mckenziemc | so there |
| 17:05.25 | TC-work | I call BS that you typed that out instead of C/P |
| 17:05.30 | mckenziemc | i did |
| 17:05.41 | mckenziemc | i typed it in pidgin then clicked it to open in firefox :) |
| 17:06.15 | wodim | let's see what mangos knows |
| 17:06.55 | mckenziemc | i don't recommend telling us |
| 17:06.59 | wodim | hehe :p |
| 17:07.10 | chiel | what's mangos? |
| 17:07.30 | wodim | again, the translator was reimplemented as open source, so if it was possible to speak between the two factions, the method would be widely known |
| 17:07.44 | wodim | (if that code is really in the server, obviously) |
| 17:09.11 | chiel | hmm.. wonder if i can spawn frames and give the hp background the class colour |
| 17:09.22 | chiel | so that only with deficit health you'd see the colour :D |
| 17:09.27 | chiel | i reckon that would look pretty cool |
| 17:09.46 | wodim | heh |
| 17:09.52 | wodim | there's code for goblin/gnomish binary... |
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| 17:10.05 | mckenziemc | i reckon that would look pretty class-colory |
| 17:10.09 | chiel | i mean, i have the names class-coloured already, but the background colouring would add a nice touch i reckon |
| 17:10.15 | chiel | mckenziemc: indeed sir! |
| 17:10.34 | TC-work | ~lart mckenziemc |
| 17:10.34 | purl | hurls dozens of incontinent, insomniac, hungry kittens with tiny little razor-sharp claws and a wide variety of contagious intestinal parasites at mckenziemc |
| 17:10.40 | chiel | but there's no way of getting a unit's class while spawning headers |
| 17:11.10 | chiel | which means i would somehow have to do it afterwards or something |
| 17:11.20 | haste | because it isn't available when it's spawned by the header |
| 17:11.25 | haste | the header always is one unit ahead :) |
| 17:11.32 | chiel | oh |
| 17:11.35 | chiel | hm |
| 17:11.48 | mckenziemc | make it transparent and non-securly put a texture behind the frame? |
| 17:11.51 | haste | which is why it just give you party/raid as unit |
| 17:12.01 | chiel | yeah, makes sense |
| 17:12.24 | chiel | i guess i could loop the party/raid right after spawning and on each roster update |
| 17:12.27 | chiel | and change the colours |
| 17:12.31 | chiel | ...or something :D |
| 17:12.37 | haste | no need after spawning |
| 17:12.43 | chiel | oh? |
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| 17:12.55 | haste | just add a function to self.__elements |
| 17:13.01 | haste | and check there |
| 17:13.05 | chiel | hm |
| 17:13.15 | chiel | is there some docs somewhere in the code about how that works? :) |
| 17:13.17 | haste | even better is to use the frames :PostUpdate() |
| 17:13.21 | chiel | ah |
| 17:13.46 | chiel | haste: could i also use PostUpdate for checking if a unit is dead/dc'd and modify frame alpha? |
| 17:14.13 | haste | that and an event |
| 17:14.13 | chiel | i thought PostUpdate only applied to individual elements, like Health? |
| 17:14.17 | haste | UNIT_CONNECTION |
| 17:14.28 | haste | there's also a :PostUpdate on the frame |
| 17:14.32 | chiel | oh cool |
| 17:14.34 | haste | which is called when oUF does a full update cycle |
| 17:14.44 | chiel | excellent, i will definitely be checking that out |
| 17:15.09 | chiel | then the only thing i'd still have to look into is how to get a dispel icon to show up |
| 17:15.13 | chiel | :) |
| 17:15.30 | chiel | i guess Debuffs:PostUpdate might help there or something :) |
| 17:15.55 | haste | probably best to just register the UNIT_AURA event and check |
| 17:16.47 | chiel | would i just do self:RegisterEvent('UNIT_AURA') in that case or something? |
| 17:16.49 | chiel | when spawning? |
| 17:17.26 | haste | self:RegisterEvent('UNIT_AURA', function) |
| 17:17.38 | haste | you still need to check at self:PostUpdate tho' |
| 17:17.58 | chiel | you mean also call the function in the PostUpdate()? |
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| 17:29.46 | Fisker | haste |
| 17:29.48 | Fisker | you cannot stop me |
| 17:30.14 | haste | but I already have |
| 17:30.23 | haste | chiel: yes |
| 17:30.44 | TC-work | stops all over Fisker |
| 17:30.48 | Fisker | you haven't stoppe d me |
| 17:30.58 | chiel | haste: ah ok fair enough :) |
| 17:31.35 | chiel | i think i will start somewhat from scratch after the raid tonight |
| 17:31.49 | chiel | cause i think my addon layout has been quite fucked up until now :p |
| 17:32.15 | chiel | maybe i should just put it on github at some point so i can actually link to what i'm talking about :p |
| 17:37.12 | Fisker | haste |
| 17:38.02 | haste | Fisker |
| 17:38.10 | End_ | haste Fisker |
| 17:38.14 | Fisker | haste End_ |
| 17:38.19 | haste | TC-work Fisker |
| 17:38.22 | chiel | haste Fisker End_ |
| 17:38.58 | Fisker | chiel End_ haste |
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| 17:39.51 | Arrowmaster | sweet, a dvdscr of the hobbit |
| 17:41.05 | Fisker | no Arrowmaster |
| 17:42.57 | Arrowmaster | yes Fisker |
| 17:43.18 | Fisker | no Arrowmaster |
| 17:43.20 | chiel | hmm |
| 17:43.22 | Arrowmaster | yes Fisker |
| 17:43.29 | Fisker | no Arrowmaster |
| 17:43.34 | Fisker | don't make me cease and desist you |
| 17:43.35 | Arrowmaster | no Fisker |
| 17:43.38 | chiel | what is the most ideal point in the addon loading process to spawn unit frames? |
| 17:43.45 | chiel | should i be waiting for something? |
| 17:43.59 | durcyn | should be safe after PLAYER_LOGIN |
| 17:44.19 | foxlit | It's safe immediately |
| 17:44.35 | nevcairiel | as early as possible, as late as necessary |
| 17:44.43 | chiel | alright cool :) |
| 17:44.50 | chiel | so basically when the file loads then :) |
| 17:44.58 | End_ | if you wait too long, and you're loading in combat, you'll run afoul of the combat lockdown |
| 17:45.01 | chiel | which is what i was going already |
| 17:45.02 | durcyn | i've had Unit functions return nil between VARIABLES_LOADED and PLAYER_LOGIN once upon a time, was i hallucinating? |
| 17:45.11 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 17:45.35 | chiel | one thing that really annoys me is that player spec info is not available before PLAYER_LOGIN |
| 17:45.43 | Arrowmaster | player login is probably good since it should be before combat lockdown |
| 17:45.45 | durcyn | though i suppose creating the frames earlier is fine |
| 17:45.59 | foxlit | There's no reason to delay creating them. |
| 17:46.16 | foxlit | Units not existing is a normal condition, you should be able to recover from it when the client realizes they do exist |
| 17:46.50 | End_ | well |
| 17:47.27 | chiel | yeah, i think spawning just creates the buttons which act as placeholders when stuff is actually happening |
| 17:47.29 | End_ | typically you just want to create all of them (header or regular unit) whether you see them or not |
| 17:47.38 | End_ | since the secure stuff will show/hide them for you |
| 17:47.43 | chiel | yea |
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| 17:48.00 | chiel | i really wish i knew the restrictions of the secure system |
| 17:48.06 | chiel | at the moment it's just a black box to me |
| 17:48.13 | chiel | i have no idea what goes on in there :D |
| 17:48.15 | Unkle | There's documentation. |
| 17:48.28 | End_ | if you really want to know, iriel has a nice pdf |
| 17:48.51 | End_ | which covers a good deal of what you can do and how to use the newer stuff |
| 17:49.03 | End_ | or look at the framexml :P |
| 17:49.26 | chiel | yeah framexml means nothing to me sadly >.< |
| 17:49.28 | End_ | but it's probably more difficult to piece together what is happening that way |
| 17:49.32 | Fisker | how do i punch people in the face haste ? |
| 17:49.36 | End_ | ~framexml |
| 17:49.36 | purl | from memory, framexml is Blizzard's UI for WoW. Export code/art from the client by using the wow.exe -console or open 'World of Warcraft.app' --args -console after game loads press ~ and enter commands "ExportInterfaceFiles code" and "ExportInterfaceFiles art" (must be used on login screen); or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
| 17:49.46 | chiel | yeah, i looked at framexml before |
| 17:50.01 | chiel | but i don't know enough about it to know where to start looking, if that makes sense? |
| 17:50.24 | durcyn | well, fisker, first you put the uncooked spaghetti through the hot dog |
| 17:50.26 | End_ | for the secure stuff most of it is in the Secure* or Restricted* files |
| 17:50.43 | TC-work | Fisker: http://www.ehow.com/how_2325172_punch-someone-face.html |
| 17:50.52 | Unkle | chiel: You have to know some basics. a dabbling in XML and Lua is more or less required if you want to do stuff. The good news is... none of that is hard to learn. |
| 17:51.01 | chiel | End_: yeah, but if i want to check "is this thing allowed" |
| 17:51.03 | Fisker | seems too complex TC-work |
| 17:51.13 | chiel | Unkle: yeah, been dabbling in lua a while now |
| 17:51.13 | TC-work | Fisker: Well, now you know. |
| 17:51.16 | Lopeppeppy | That's just... wow, TC. I wouldn't have imagined you'd find that. But I guess it's eHow, everything is on there. |
| 17:51.31 | TC-work | Lopeppeppy: I know, i was rather surprised, but it is amusing |
| 17:51.48 | Lopeppeppy | I particularly enjoy instruction #5. |
| 17:51.49 | Unkle | eHow - everything is on there in a really bad form that leaves you with more questions than before you read the fucking thing. |
| 17:52.23 | Semlar | dabble dabble |
| 17:52.43 | chiel | hehe |
| 17:52.56 | TC-work | Actually, #4 is incorrect, you should be using the knuckles of your middle and pointer fingers. |
| 17:52.58 | chiel | like i would like to be able to update my raid frames while in combat |
| 17:53.04 | chiel | say someone joins the raid while i am in combat |
| 17:53.09 | chiel | i would like it not to choke :p |
| 17:53.17 | chiel | but don't think it's allowed |
| 17:53.21 | kd3 | good luck - the default ui doesn't handle that either |
| 17:53.33 | chiel | i had no idea :) |
| 17:53.43 | chiel | now i just wait for PLAYER_REGEN_ENABLED |
| 17:53.44 | chiel | and then do it |
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| 17:53.54 | chiel | it just potentially leaves the UI messy for a while |
| 17:53.54 | kd3 | which is about all you can do |
| 17:54.02 | Unkle | The default UI should handle it. But it doesn't. I blame people who shall not be named. |
| 17:54.12 | chiel | haha |
| 17:54.15 | Semlar | obama? |
| 17:54.21 | mckenziemc | >.> |
| 17:54.24 | Lopeppeppy | Unkle! You wouldn't. |
| 17:54.46 | Unkle | Voldemort! |
| 17:54.56 | chiel | hah |
| 17:55.05 | chiel | ah well, i just need to spend some more time coding |
| 17:55.17 | chiel | but raids man, they interfere! |
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| 18:19.33 | Neffi | is 5.2 on the PTR yet? |
| 18:20.05 | End_ | don't think so |
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| 18:25.26 | karl_w_w | titan announced at blizzcon this year? |
| 18:25.39 | karl_w_w | i'd bet on that if i could |
| 18:26.06 | Alram | me too |
| 18:27.09 | karl_w_w | cos other than d3 expac there wouldn't be that much to talk about |
| 18:28.46 | nevcairiel | or they cancel the con |
| 18:28.52 | Torhal|work | I think they might sell ¼ the volume on the expansion that they did for the initial game itself. |
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| 18:29.02 | Torhal|work | Maybe. |
| 18:29.29 | pompy | WTB date for b 13 |
| 18:29.44 | nevcairiel | b 13..? |
| 18:29.50 | pompy | blizzcon 13 |
| 18:32.38 | Seerah | ah, BC'13 :) |
| 18:32.45 | Seerah | agrees |
| 18:33.06 | |Jelly| | I still luff you, Seerah. |
| 18:33.08 | Lopeppeppy | B 13 is a vitamin. Blizcon 13 is a lifestyle! |
| 18:33.12 | pompy | ! |
| 18:33.15 | Fisker | why all this old news of a sudden pompy ? |
| 18:33.22 | Seerah | I know, |Jelly| :) I still luff you, too. |
| 18:33.29 | Fisker | because it was posted on a site that forgot it was old news? |
| 18:33.39 | pompy | wtg diablofans |
| 18:34.00 | Fisker | bam |
| 18:34.29 | Unkle | Because Mike's NYE tweet mention BlizzCon 2013? |
| 18:34.47 | Lopeppeppy | He's such a tease! |
| 18:35.19 | pompy | iknorite |
| 18:36.34 | Fisker | who gives a fuck about what someone tweets Unkle ? |
| 18:36.44 | Fisker | especially when it's old news |
| 18:37.17 | Seerah | apparently, you're out of the loop, Fisker. |
| 18:37.35 | Fisker | a loop regarding what Seerah ? |
| 18:37.41 | Torhal|work | loops Fisker around a tree. |
| 18:37.45 | Seerah | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:37.59 | Seerah | how does that make you feel? to not be the first person to know something? |
| 18:38.07 | Stanzilla | foxlit: do you have any plans to work on that opie export thingy soon or do I get to have savedvar copying fun? :D |
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| 18:38.53 | Unkle | while Fisker ==TRUE do ActFromIgnorance |
| 18:39.47 | Fisker | what do you mean Seerah ? |
| 18:39.53 | Seerah | you're missing an end in that statement, Unkle. but no matter - it'd be an infinite loop anyway, and would crash the channel |
| 18:40.05 | Seerah | ah, yes... at a loss for words I see. I'm sorry. |
| 18:40.29 | mckenziemc | no Seerah, Fisker is not true |
| 18:40.53 | Seerah | mckenziemc: I assume the logic would check to see if he exists |
| 18:41.00 | Fisker | the discussion never revolved about whether or not anyone knew it first Seerah |
| 18:41.03 | Fisker | so sorry |
| 18:41.08 | Lopeppeppy | Always make sure your loops have an end condition, or you'll hit overflow and spew. |
| 18:41.16 | Seerah | Fisker: that was not the point of that comment. so sorry :) |
| 18:41.27 | End_ | please don't spew |
| 18:41.43 | Seerah | but keep trying :) |
| 18:41.57 | Fisker | sure |
| 18:42.06 | Fisker | try using the words for the actual point you're trying to convey |
| 18:42.12 | Fisker | do please keep trying |
| 18:42.18 | Seerah | oh, I did. would you like me to repeat them? |
| 18:42.52 | Fisker | you just acknowledged that whatever was written was not what you meant |
| 18:42.54 | Fisker | so no you didn't |
| 18:43.05 | Seerah | -2 for reading comprehension |
| 18:43.10 | Fisker | not really |
| 18:43.14 | Seerah | yes, really. |
| 18:43.24 | Fisker | otherwise explain it instead of throwing around random insults |
| 18:43.39 | Seerah | I Fisker'ed Fisker, and he can't take it. |
| 18:43.51 | Fisker | yeah |
| 18:43.55 | Fisker | that's what i thought scrub |
| 18:44.03 | Seerah | ^^ |
| 18:44.06 | End_ | of course he can't, he's just one little fisker |
| 18:44.19 | Seerah | poor thing. |
| 18:44.25 | Seerah | ~sooth Fisker |
| 18:44.27 | Seerah | bah |
| 18:44.31 | Seerah | ~soothe Fisker |
| 18:44.31 | purl | ACTION exerts a calming influence on Fisker |
| 18:44.48 | Humbedooh | ~fisker Fisker |
| 18:45.11 | Fisker | you can post as many lines of words you want thinking you won anything |
| 18:45.13 | Fisker | but you didn't |
| 18:45.17 | Fisker | so :) |
| 18:45.32 | End_ | fisker, this is serious business, not a game |
| 18:45.36 | Seerah | lol. and still we go around and around. |
| 18:45.51 | mckenziemc | dispels Fisker's Enrage. |
| 18:46.12 | Fisker | yeah Seerah |
| 18:46.22 | Seerah | (Fisker: maybe you shouldn't have called me mean last night... /shrug) :D Have a nice day! |
| 18:46.30 | Fisker | why not? |
| 18:46.34 | Fisker | you were mean |
| 18:47.20 | Seerah | I had just logged in. Though I know you didn't really mean anything by it. It was just part of your tourettes... |
| 18:51.30 | mckenziemc | hmm |
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| 18:52.06 | Seerah | hola, harl |
| 18:52.21 | harl | wuff |
| 18:52.24 | mckenziemc | misteltoe's name comes from "dung-on-a-twig" in anglo-saxon |
| 18:52.33 | Seerah | rofl |
| 18:53.17 | mckenziemc | drops bird poop on Fisker |
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| 19:19.12 | TC-work | mckenziemc: Don't waste good bird poop on bad Fisker |
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| 19:24.30 | wodim | hey |
| 19:24.34 | wodim | so |
| 19:24.43 | wodim | Lopeppeppy: |
| 19:24.53 | wodim | wow servers don't seem to encrypt the text in any way |
| 19:27.09 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah? Doesn't change anything I said earlier. |
| 19:27.28 | wodim | 18:00:54 <+Lopeppeppy> wodim, it's done by the wow servers. |
| 19:27.32 | wodim | it's done by the client |
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| 19:28.29 | mikma | rtharper: here's a hard one: kives ja penikset. |
| 19:28.56 | Lopeppeppy | Huh. Teach me to talk before caffeine. All I remembered saying was ToS blah blah. :) |
| 19:29.09 | Lopeppeppy | Servers, client, or toaster, all the same. Made in Taiwan. |
| 19:29.47 | wodim | so what i wanted to do doesn't seem to be possible |
| 19:29.55 | wodim | well, whatever |
| 19:31.14 | TC-work | Played in Taiwan* |
| 19:34.31 | Unkle | Lopeppeppy: I only do eyes. |
| 19:34.50 | Lopeppeppy | You're unreasonable, Unkle! |
| 19:35.37 | Arrowmaster | steam seems to be looping on some of its daily deals |
| 19:36.52 | Unkle | Lopeppeppy: " I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time... like tears in rain... Time to die." Second most quotable movie in my repertoire. |
| 19:37.22 | pompy | huh Arrowmaster |
| 19:38.00 | Arrowmaster | at least 2 of the daily deals are repeats because i already bought them |
| 19:38.12 | Arrowmaster | maybe they were flash deals though |
| 19:39.06 | pompy | skyrim won comm choice at 50% off but the dlc is still 33% off.. lame.. |
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| 19:41.33 | TC-work | Arrowmaster: it usually does that on extended sales. |
| 19:42.31 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah well, I aim to misbehave! |
| 19:42.45 | TC-work | I aim to not spill |
| 19:45.51 | |Jelly| | Apparently 5.2 PTR is up |
| 19:47.50 | Unkle | Lopeppeppy: That's also a highly quotable film. |
| 19:47.56 | Arrowmaster | http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/01/antarctic-irc-how-nasas-flying-lab-stays-connected/ |
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| 19:56.30 | Neffi | Does anyone know of any Lua parsers/lexers written in pure Lua 5.1 that will run in WoW (doesn't depend on libs we don't have)? |
| 19:58.43 | Neffi | And totally unrelated, are the DogTag libs still kept up-to-date? |
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| 19:58.58 | nevcairiel | hopefully not |
| 19:59.51 | Neffi | Ah I see a lot of issues with memory leaks. It was always a pretty huge beast. But it was really nice from a config standpoint. |
| 20:01.00 | mikma | no, DIY! |
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| 20:01.58 | Neffi | Well I'm looking for a Lua lexer so I can do something like LuaTexts, but also provide pre-built "tags" by scanning the user's code for certain variables and registering them to the appropriate event for when those variables are updated |
| 20:02.17 | Neffi | eg so we can have pure Lua but still get the benefit of not having to resolve events manually |
| 20:03.03 | Neffi | Along with probably providing additional candy for ease-of-writing |
| 20:07.50 | nevcairiel | sounds like a terribly bloated design |
| 20:08.31 | Mr_Rabies | man the only thing worse than having a song stuck in your head is having one stuck in your head in a language you can't speak |
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| 20:12.35 | Neffi | I don't see why that'd be bloated |
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| 20:30.07 | kd3 | grr. my macros didn't copy over |
| 20:30.08 | Mr_Rabies | argh |
| 20:30.26 | Mr_Rabies | they really need to fix hozen rare spawns |
| 20:32.06 | Primer | evading? |
| 20:32.09 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 20:33.05 | Mr_Rabies | they bug out on tuesday and no one can kill them :| |
| 20:33.24 | Primer | yup, seen that many times |
| 20:33.50 | End_ | yeah I saw bongos or bongolongs or whatever evade bugged all weekend |
| 20:34.02 | Primer | Bonobos? |
| 20:34.02 | End_ | the one in the forest with the monk in the valley |
| 20:34.05 | End_ | yeah |
| 20:34.07 | End_ | that one! |
| 20:34.28 | End_ | I was...vaguely close |
| 20:36.18 | Mr_Rabies | basically people handle going bananas wrong and they, as a result, evade bug |
| 20:36.34 | Mr_Rabies | they run away, which makes them leash mid-bananas |
| 20:36.47 | Mr_Rabies | which evade bugs them since their coordinates are all whacked out |
| 20:36.59 | Primer | I always run away on going bananas |
| 20:37.05 | Mr_Rabies | instead of stunning them, which is way less likely to break them |
| 20:37.11 | Primer | especially on Major Nanners, as there's no path up if you die |
| 20:37.29 | End_ | ugh major nanners |
| 20:38.23 | Mr_Rabies | yeahhh |
| 20:38.37 | Mr_Rabies | they really should just give everyone flight while dead if they're in a zone they can fly in |
| 20:38.51 | nevcairiel | that is really annoying |
| 20:38.54 | nevcairiel | why cant we? |
| 20:39.00 | Mr_Rabies | because reasons |
| 20:39.04 | End_ | something something death should mean something |
| 20:39.24 | Mr_Rabies | i'd be okay with flight while dead being the same speed as walking |
| 20:39.29 | End_ | but I don't care if death flight is as slow as running |
| 20:39.38 | Mr_Rabies | er running |
| 20:39.39 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 20:39.55 | End_ | there's some really bad places, too, like jade forest |
| 20:39.58 | nevcairiel | i once died at that quest where you had to defeat the npc at the cloud serpent quest hub |
| 20:40.03 | Mr_Rabies | it's just way too expensive to spirit heal |
| 20:40.04 | nevcairiel | impossible to run there from the gy |
| 20:40.06 | End_ | where the spirit rezzer is just in a bit place |
| 20:40.22 | End_ | s/bit/bad/ |
| 20:41.00 | Mr_Rabies | 4 more rares to go until i get glorious! :o |
| 20:41.16 | Mr_Rabies | i've got way better results with the MoP rares than i ever did with the pre-MoP ones |
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| 20:41.36 | Mr_Rabies | i don't have frostbitten nearly as complete |
| 20:42.03 | End_ | well, they do have a far more common spawn rate |
| 20:42.26 | End_ | I think that's fine though |
| 20:45.40 | Primer | well, if you die up on the hills while doing tiller dailies, you spawn at the gy |
| 20:46.00 | Primer | should just be the same for the other zone, as there's also a daily up there by nanners |
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| 20:48.52 | Mr_Rabies | yeah but like |
| 20:49.05 | Mr_Rabies | sometimes crap happens and you die on top of a tree |
| 20:49.23 | Mr_Rabies | ghost flight would fix that |
| 20:49.51 | Neffi | It's curious that ghosts are also bound to gravity |
| 20:50.05 | Neffi | Ghosts should simply be able to "swim" at normal running speed |
| 20:50.27 | Mr_Rabies | or use the levitate aniimations |
| 20:50.36 | Mr_Rabies | would be 99% less awkward |
| 20:51.41 | Lopeppeppy | Ghosts should totally be bound by physics!! |
| 20:52.08 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://pastebin.com || 5.1.x ToC: 50100 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || Battletags: http://goo.gl/2bm7n || This channel is logged, via purl || Happy Birthday Zorba, and congrats on your wedding! |
| 20:52.33 | Neffi | bound to physics =/= bound to gravity |
| 20:52.51 | Neffi | there are things that do not interact in the Higgs field, and obviously ghosts are not ordinary matter |
| 20:53.02 | Neffi | I think a massless ghost makes more sense tbh |
| 20:54.02 | Arrowmaster | my dad just bought a used Chevy HHR |
| 20:54.23 | Arrowmaster | hes still not allowed to drive though so i have to go pick it up |
| 20:55.39 | Lopeppeppy | Ghosts weigh as much as an angel dancing on the head of a camel going through the eye of a needle. I think. |
| 21:03.25 | Mr_Rabies | urgh |
| 21:03.34 | Mr_Rabies | i hate that person that posts on the forums with all their text in quotes |
| 21:03.38 | Mr_Rabies | why on earth do they do that |
| 21:03.39 | Mr_Rabies | :< |
| 21:03.47 | Mr_Rabies | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/7415155984 |
| 21:04.36 | foxlit | Mr_Rabies: that's not bad. Try people who prefix and postfix their posts with some inane and unrelated RP quote. |
| 21:05.09 | Mr_Rabies | at least those can be grammatically correct |
| 21:05.23 | Mr_Rabies | putting quotes around something you're not quoting is just...wrong |
| 21:05.54 | Mr_Rabies | i'm normally a big fan of falling on the side of usage over dogma for language, but that's just...wrong |
| 21:06.48 | foxlit | Imagine they're intending you to read their forum posts as a book |
| 21:06.58 | foxlit | "It's totally correct then," he said. |
| 21:09.22 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, but there's no "he said" |
| 21:09.33 | Mr_Rabies | it's frustrating |
| 21:10.00 | foxlit | Neffi: http://go-hero.net/temp/lex |
| 21:10.08 | Mr_Rabies | if i were a moderator i'd probably give them a temp ban for threatening my sanity because they post so improperly so often |
| 21:10.25 | Neffi | foxlit: Did you just write that? |
| 21:10.41 | Dagmar | A nice freehand stabbing usually fixes that. |
| 21:11.28 | foxlit | Neffi: within the last five seconds, of course. |
| 21:11.46 | foxlit | But no; I wrote it recently, though not today |
| 21:12.15 | Neffi | Have you tested it? |
| 21:13.24 | foxlit | Briefly. |
| 21:14.43 | Neffi | thanks |
| 21:17.16 | Neffi | Looks like an iterator. Is this correct? |
| 21:18.29 | foxlit | You could use it as for token_type, token_arg in tokenize("local foo = bar") do ... end |
| 21:19.36 | foxlit | calling the returned function with no args consumes a token; calling it with a number lets you peek that number of tokens ahead. |
| 21:19.58 | foxlit | so iter(1) would return the next token without consuming it, iter(2) the token after that and so on. |
| 21:20.34 | Neffi | this would do exactly what I want |
| 21:20.35 | foxlit | you could also export next_token rather than tokenize and use that as a proper iterator function. |
| 21:20.38 | mikma | mr_rabies: "what do you mean?" |
| 21:20.44 | Neffi | if token_type == 'ID' then --[[check if token_arg is a tag ]] end |
| 21:22.11 | Fisker | mikma |
| 21:22.14 | Fisker | however |
| 21:22.17 | Fisker | haste |
| 21:22.21 | mikma | fisker: more |
| 21:22.24 | Fisker | nope |
| 21:22.42 | mikma | who here just loves the "Spell is not ready yet" spam you get? |
| 21:22.48 | Fisker | <- |
| 21:22.56 | Humbedooh | mmm |
| 21:23.04 | Humbedooh | spell-not-readies mikma |
| 21:23.06 | Fisker | especially as male belf |
| 21:23.26 | mikma | I managed to track it down into two things. 1) minipet that can't be summoned, ie. Guild Page on cooldown, 2) Update Interactions -spell (most likely has to do with the tillers dark soil items) |
| 21:23.30 | Neffi | local o=UIErrorsFrame.AddMessage; UIErrorsFrame.AddMessage=function(s,t,...) if t~='Spell is not ready yet.' then return o(s,t,...) end; |
| 21:24.08 | Neffi | I consider that an essential feature |
| 21:25.17 | mikma | oh |
| 21:25.34 | mikma | third one is the buff you receive at the supermega -inn at valley of ... something |
| 21:26.00 | mikma | even if you have the buff, it'll still try to cast it on you |
| 21:27.12 | Humbedooh | that spell isn't ready yet, mikma! |
| 21:27.53 | mikma | i know humbedooh! it keeps on telling me that |
| 21:28.06 | mikma | repeating is not the solution |
| 21:28.12 | mikma | direct actions are |
| 21:28.22 | mikma | also, rogues are boring as hell. |
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| 21:28.41 | mikma | heroic / some lfr gear doesn't even boost up your dps |
| 21:29.05 | mikma | on the other hand a mage that has just reached 90 can outdps heroic-geared rogue 10-0 |
| 21:29.45 | mikma | maybe i should just reroll with the latest op class in game |
| 21:30.07 | foxlit | didn't they just nerf mages? |
| 21:30.17 | foxlit | Your rerolling might already be too late. |
| 21:30.38 | mikma | not like they're gonna nerf monks soon |
| 21:31.09 | foxlit | DKs latested until... 3.2? |
| 21:31.55 | foxlit | Stanzilla: probably not in the near future |
| 21:32.03 | Stanzilla | ok :( |
| 21:32.16 | foxlit | but what exactly are you trying to do? |
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| 21:41.45 | TC-work | so i have an external HDD i have plugged in with a HDD connected. /log/messages sees the connection but fdisk is not finding anything to mount. Any ideas? |
| 21:41.53 | TC-work | external hdd dock* |
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| 21:50.35 | pompy | TC-work: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=103156 |
| 21:50.52 | Mr_Rabies | aww yiss |
| 21:50.54 | Mr_Rabies | down to 2 rares now |
| 21:51.08 | Mr_Rabies | moldo one-eye and bonobos |
| 21:51.44 | TC-work | alas no pompy, thanks though |
| 21:51.57 | pompy | TC-work: dunno what system you are on but http://forums.techguy.org/4785045-post5.html |
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| 21:52.08 | TC-work | windows |
| 21:52.12 | TC-work | err...linux |
| 21:52.14 | pompy | yeah look at that post thne |
| 21:52.15 | pompy | oh |
| 21:52.17 | pompy | ok ! |
| 21:52.24 | TC-work | That's what i get for reading and typing at the same time |
| 21:52.29 | Dagmar | Who did you blow so that it would freaking rain out on that damn island, I'd like to know. |
| 21:52.37 | Torhal|work | o.O |
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| 21:53.23 | Dagmar | If I thought I would do any good, I'd hover over Stranglethorn Isle and spam a /spit emote. |
| 21:53.23 | pompy | ^random! |
| 21:53.33 | pompy | TC-work: and lastly lol http://superuser.com/questions/409742/seagate-3tb-st3000dm001-hard-drive-not-recognized-by-linux-causes-fdisk-to-hang |
| 21:54.25 | TC-work | alas no pompy, thanks anyway |
| 21:55.07 | Dagmar | pompy: Those pesky giant sector sizes are an endless source of fun and frivolity. |
| 21:58.34 | cbreak | ? |
| 21:58.57 | cbreak | I've used 4k block hard disks since over two years, no problems. |
| 22:00.32 | Neffi | Isn't 4K pretty standard nowadays? |
| 22:00.49 | nevcairiel | usually yes |
| 22:00.50 | Fisker | haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaste |
| 22:01.00 | nevcairiel | on > 2tb discs anyway, because those dont work otherwise |
| 22:01.02 | mckenziemc1 | Fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiisker |
| 22:01.24 | Fisker | nope mckenziemc1 |
| 22:02.03 | Fisker | i want some new 5TB WD Red's |
| 22:02.05 | Fisker | you nevcairiel ? |
| 22:02.14 | nevcairiel | they have 5tb now? |
| 22:02.27 | nevcairiel | oh not out yet |
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| 22:02.42 | cbreak | 3 tb is the biggest I have. |
| 22:02.45 | Mr_Rabies | i'm working on building an htpc to house my 3tb drive i got on black friday |
| 22:02.50 | cbreak | they take an eternity to encrypt/fill |
| 22:02.57 | Mr_Rabies | but i'm kind of at a loss for what to use |
| 22:03.03 | cbreak | especially over slow usb :( |
| 22:03.23 | cbreak | I use them for backing up the internet |
| 22:03.26 | foxlit | So, 5.2 is rather disappointing. |
| 22:03.29 | cbreak | and backing up my backups of the internet |
| 22:03.38 | Mr_Rabies | well, my anime folder's about 800GB or so |
| 22:03.45 | Mr_Rabies | it's filling my 1TB drive :( |
| 22:03.49 | cbreak | mine's over 2 tb |
| 22:03.54 | cbreak | the reason I got a 3 tb disk :) |
| 22:03.56 | Humbedooh | mine's over 9000 |
| 22:03.57 | Humbedooh | :\ |
| 22:04.06 | Mr_Rabies | lordy |
| 22:04.15 | Mr_Rabies | i delete shows that i don't really care to archive |
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| 22:04.29 | cbreak | ! |
| 22:04.32 | Humbedooh | deletes Mr_Rabies |
| 22:04.41 | Mr_Rabies | but Zeta Gundam's like 40GB by itself |
| 22:04.43 | cbreak | I don't even watch most of them :/ |
| 22:04.45 | foxlit | on the bright side, the Set Focus menu entry now actually has a chance of actually working for custom unit frames. |
| 22:04.47 | kd3 | http://pastebin.com/m9TK6Q3J |
| 22:04.51 | Fisker | they kd3 |
| 22:04.55 | Fisker | hey* |
| 22:04.55 | Neffi | I'd be paranoid using a 5TB TBH |
| 22:04.55 | kd3 | the latter two are mostly anime |
| 22:05.02 | Neffi | dem densities are getting pretty high |
| 22:05.17 | Fisker | reported for /data/pub/anime/*.* |
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| 22:07.52 | Dagmar | The problem being that cheap-ass intermediate controllers like external USB chassis are wont to use were designed back in 2000 and never updated, so lots of them don't have the first fucking clue what to do about 4K sectors. |
| 22:08.15 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/pxkfi.gif aw yeah, sexy console |
| 22:08.21 | Neffi | Hoorah. fBSD has stable HW support for my notebook. |
| 22:08.24 | cbreak | Dagmar: the two I use work. |
| 22:08.25 | Neffi | Finally |
| 22:08.32 | cbreak | one only up to 2 tb disk size though |
| 22:08.57 | Neffi | Semlar: That's about as sexy as MSDos |
| 22:09.04 | Semlar | dead sexy? |
| 22:09.11 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/U2vw8.png |
| 22:09.14 | Fisker | does it upset you kd3 ? |
| 22:09.18 | Mr_Rabies | >2012 |
| 22:09.20 | Mr_Rabies | >CLI |
| 22:09.27 | Mr_Rabies | >ishygddt |
| 22:09.38 | Fisker | 2012 is the year of the CLI Mr_Rabies |
| 22:09.43 | kd3 | eh, not really. one of the first things I'm doing after I move is setting up a nas |
| 22:09.46 | Fisker | even Windows is heavily based on CLI now |
| 22:09.58 | Neffi | based on? |
| 22:10.17 | Semlar | well it's not like i'm going to write a gui for this |
| 22:10.18 | Fisker | heavy on CLI then |
| 22:10.19 | Fisker | or whatever |
| 22:10.33 | Neffi | Fisker: I like that. Some of the new Windows configuration windows are quite nice. |
| 22:10.41 | Fisker | yep |
| 22:10.47 | Neffi | Gonna wait for Win8 to mature a lot more though. Most of the UI, I fucking depise. |
| 22:10.56 | Fisker | it can do the whackiest shit |
| 22:11.11 | Fisker | i can run a virtual machine running server 2012 |
| 22:11.12 | Fisker | shut it down |
| 22:11.14 | Neffi | It's too much of a radical change for them to not have fucked it up |
| 22:11.18 | Fisker | attach the vhd in the server manager |
| 22:11.22 | Fisker | and add new server roles to it |
| 22:11.23 | Neffi | I'm waiting on at least SP1. |
| 22:11.24 | Fisker | why? |
| 22:11.27 | Fisker | Fuck you that's why |
| 22:11.54 | Fisker | The UI is kinda bad |
| 22:11.57 | Fisker | but it doesn't really intrude |
| 22:12.02 | Fisker | But it's just odd |
| 22:12.53 | Semlar | the sad part is my laptop could do this like 10 times faster |
| 22:14.31 | Semlar | that ssd would really speed things up |
| 22:16.14 | Fisker | the stuff i did at work with my previous laptop |
| 22:16.16 | Fisker | poor laptop |
| 22:16.37 | Fisker | three times i had it hang where i eventually had to ctrl+alt+del it to try and get task manager open |
| 22:16.49 | Fisker | and it told me that it did not have enough resources to show the ctrl+alt+del menu |
| 22:16.55 | Semlar | ^_^ |
| 22:17.27 | Fisker | i've seen it once before |
| 22:17.37 | Fisker | i had a driver that was poorly written |
| 22:17.39 | Fisker | or rather the installer |
| 22:17.45 | Fisker | launched endless amounts of command prompts |
| 22:18.02 | Semlar | good times |
| 22:23.06 | VIad | bootsception - 1 disk, 2 vhd each vhd has a OS that starts a virtual machine of the other vhd |
| 22:23.40 | VIad | karl_w_w: on the "ran to long" thing maybe it's like taint, random addon getting blamed :P |
| 22:24.27 | Semlar | i think the script too long thing should be optional |
| 22:24.50 | mckenziemc1 | ^ |
| 22:24.51 | Semlar | or adjustable |
| 22:24.58 | foxlit | or shouldn't exist. |
| 22:25.09 | mckenziemc1 | "it's optional - just don't play wow!" |
| 22:25.15 | Semlar | well it makes some sense to kill an addon if it's like locking the game up while you're in combat |
| 22:25.25 | VIad | that error should be constant, if I get it, so should you, otherwise it shouldn't fire |
| 22:25.37 | Fisker | i'm sorry mikma |
| 22:25.40 | VIad | how else can we provide consistency? |
| 22:25.42 | Fisker | there''s a sperm drought in denmark |
| 22:25.52 | Fisker | so there's no reason for you to visit anyway |
| 22:25.54 | Dagmar | High-speed industrial blenders. |
| 22:26.27 | mckenziemc1 | VIad: except it can't be consistent if it's based on time taken |
| 22:26.41 | Dagmar | You know, like hte ones they use on "Will it Blend" that can give even an iPad a smooth, silky consistency. |
| 22:27.03 | VIad | time is a variable, my pentium 3 and your i10 will have different performances |
| 22:27.11 | mckenziemc1 | ^ |
| 22:27.53 | Semlar | they can measure cpu time |
| 22:27.54 | Dagmar | Fifteen minutes in the BlendTec can even out the differences. |
| 22:28.08 | TC-work | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:28.10 | Semlar | my old shared host tracked scripts by cpu time |
| 22:28.40 | VIad | this should be a profiler feature, not something on the user end tbh :P |
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| 22:59.44 | VIad | any prot warriors here? |
| 22:59.55 | VIad | how the hell do you manage your abilities when you got more than 24 :S |
| 23:00.02 | VIad | don't got enough keybinds LOL |
| 23:00.18 | VIad | already using 1-6, 1-6 shift, 1-6 alt |
| 23:01.12 | Motig | use q, e, r, f, g, z, v + ctrl/shift |
| 23:01.13 | Motig | alt |
| 23:01.37 | VIad | yeah |
| 23:01.48 | VIad | I have to, jeez, more spells than I was using on my druid in Cata lol |
| 23:02.01 | Motig | a mouse with a few extra buttons also helps |
| 23:02.16 | VIad | wonder why they didn't fix on warriors, like prot paladins removed lots of spells |
| 23:02.52 | VIad | you remember the old totem bar? |
| 23:03.00 | VIad | click to use the spell, open the menu to swap it out |
| 23:03.11 | VIad | would be nice having this for regular spells that group in categories :P |
| 23:03.17 | VIad | for easy "swap out" if you want 1 button for all your shouts |
| 23:03.33 | VIad | if you wanna roll with commanding you simply swap out your battle shout, e.g. |
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| 23:04.22 | Motig | there's probably an addon that can do that for you! |
| 23:06.01 | VIad | it would lock up in combat sadly |
| 23:07.27 | VIad | wish I could make a macro to cast taunt only if target is not attacking me :( |
| 23:07.50 | VIad | [@targettarget!=player] |
| 23:07.51 | VIad | gief |
| 23:08.27 | VIad | this way I can merge my taunt and shockwave :P |
| 23:09.10 | zenzelezz | I thought there was ~=, maybe I'm misremembering |
| 23:09.30 | VIad | don't think so |
| 23:14.41 | Unkle | This is specifically something that shouldn't be a macro condition. Skill = elimination of error in choices made, and having a button which branches based on "target isn't me" violates that idea. |
| 23:16.44 | VIad | it's just for me, taunt is a slot that just takes space |
| 23:16.47 | VIad | and is used rarely :P |
| 23:17.05 | TC-work | that doesn't negate his point |
| 23:17.22 | TC-work | also, you can have tons and tons of buttons so that's not such a huge issue |
| 23:17.41 | VIad | no, just trying to consolidate my buttons |
| 23:17.51 | Unkle | If you open up the ability to compare targets, then you've essentially said "he who writes the best macros wins" |
| 23:18.37 | Unkle | At which point, Cide, Cogwheel, and Ro go on to dominate WoW and the rest of us gnash our teeth. |
| 23:19.01 | TC-work | Not me, i bake cookies |
| 23:19.04 | Unkle | ( I kid, I kid, but only a little.) |
| 23:19.13 | VIad | cleave is useless warrior ability fyi |
| 23:19.30 | VIad | deals less dmg on 3 targets than heroic strike doeso n one :P |
| 23:21.17 | VIad | warriors got too many situational abilities |
| 23:21.32 | VIad | good for those that got enough hotkeys so they can fluently play with it :P |
| 23:24.22 | VIad | spell reflect for example, something you would need available by hotkey for quick usage, but usually not touched :D |
| 23:24.27 | VIad | unless you pvp as prot hehe |
| 23:25.27 | zenzelezz | "too many abilities" is moot after all the talent nerfs, when you used to get 20 abilities from 59 talent points |
| 23:25.40 | zenzelezz | regardless of whether they're situational |
| 23:27.10 | VIad | don't know, but my warrior feels worse than cata or wotlk feral druid with bear/cat on one spec :D |
| 23:28.08 | zenzelezz | I wouldn't know about non-warrior classes; I've raised a rogue, hunter and priest to... 70? maybe even 80, but never touched them besides levelling |
| 23:28.37 | zenzelezz | after my warrior dinged 60 back in early 2006, he's been non-prot for perhaps a week |
| 23:29.12 | zenzelezz | obviously I don't PvP |
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