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| 01:05.53 | Wobin | ~wowalert |
| 01:05.53 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: Returns empty content unless there is an active alert] |
| 01:09.53 | Sintacks | It's kind of funny when a random person asks you, in game, if you'll RAF them. |
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| 01:22.08 | kd3|netbook | mm... mediterranean food |
| 01:22.58 | Adys | kd3|netbook: don't leave me hanging there |
| 01:23.12 | TC-work | yea, give him a reach-around. |
| 01:24.27 | Wobin | Sintacks: Surely -in-game- implies they already have an account, and are asking you to pay for another... what? |
| 01:25.19 | Gnarfoz | ? |
| 01:25.25 | Gnarfoz | why would you assume that direction |
| 01:30.16 | kd3|netbook | properly good pastisio (sp?) |
| 01:30.16 | batbot | kd3|netbook, nothing found. |
| 01:30.33 | kd3|netbook | pastitsio* |
| 01:32.25 | Primer | pistachio? |
| 01:32.58 | kd3|netbook | yah |
| 01:33.11 | kd3|netbook | though the greek variety, not the italian |
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| 01:36.06 | Torhal | kd3|netbook: You should come back to the office tomorrow and tell Telshin and Kaelten that you need new extensions. |
| 01:36.53 | kd3|netbook | lol |
| 01:36.57 | kd3|netbook | I think they'd kill me |
| 01:36.59 | Primer | If you had a buy a motherboard for an intel i7, what would you get? |
| 01:37.10 | Primer | I'm pretty sure my motherboard is dying |
| 01:37.22 | kd3|netbook | primer - look at ars' latest system guide? |
| 01:37.38 | Primer | the on board ethernet was constantly dying, and now it's just locking up every so often |
| 01:39.18 | Primer | their "system guide" links are all 404 |
| 01:40.28 | kd3|netbook | http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/12/ars-technica-system-guide-december-2012/ |
| 01:40.29 | kd3|netbook | ? |
| 01:41.04 | Primer | http://arstechnica.com/search/?query=system+guide |
| 01:41.05 | Wobin | Gnarfoz: why in any direction? |
| 01:41.15 | Primer | first two links lead to pages with 404s |
| 01:41.16 | Wobin | Generally the whole point of RAF is that you're friends =P |
| 01:41.33 | Wobin | a complete stranger asking to be your friend is somewhat.. sudden |
| 01:42.29 | Gnarfoz | Wobin: the point is you're friends? no. the point is a lot of perks. fast leveling, mounts, bonus levels |
| 01:42.46 | Gnarfoz | that may have been the intention, but *shrug* |
| 01:42.54 | Wobin | The fast levelling requires that you actually quest together |
| 01:42.59 | Gnarfoz | I'm aware |
| 01:43.01 | Wobin | unless they removed that requirement |
| 01:43.09 | Gnarfoz | not that I know of |
| 01:43.13 | Gnarfoz | but then, I never used the system |
| 01:43.14 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 01:43.23 | Wobin | so it's essentially a request to "Heeey, mind if I stick reallllly close to you for the next 90 levels?" |
| 01:43.29 | Gnarfoz | 80 |
| 01:43.34 | Wobin | "I'm REALLY FRIENDLY" |
| 01:43.36 | TC-work | Primer: Depends on what you want to do with it |
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| 01:44.37 | Primer | TC-work: I want to have a stable box again |
| 01:44.52 | TC-work | Primer: i mean is it for gaming or what? |
| 01:44.55 | Wobin | I guess RAF could be the new douchebag stalker mode =P |
| 01:45.09 | Primer | I made the mistake of trying to put this memory I had stored back into the machine, thinking it would magically be better |
| 01:45.18 | Primer | and it made it extremely unstable |
| 01:45.18 | TC-work | Who stalks douchebag's though? |
| 01:45.26 | Primer | then I took it out...and it's still extremely unstable |
| 01:45.30 | Wobin | TC-work: Really creepy people |
| 01:45.35 | Primer | but yes, mainly for gaming |
| 01:45.44 | Primer | some work, as I work from home at least 1 day a week |
| 01:46.02 | Gnarfoz | Wobin: in the end, either the quote was wrong, or the guy asking the question sucked at formulating it and meant something else |
| 01:46.03 | TC-work | Lucky bastard |
| 01:46.11 | Gnarfoz | or he was just INSANE |
| 01:46.17 | Primer | I had originally bought 16G of ram for it (4x4G), but was never able to get a stable machine with all 4 sticks in place |
| 01:47.23 | Wobin | Gnarfoz: Chances are, all three are correct =) |
| 01:47.32 | TC-work | Primer: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/lW45 Well, that's what i am looking at for my next system |
| 01:47.58 | Primer | TC-work: this board I'm having a problem with is Asus |
| 01:48.04 | Primer | and it's just been a lemon |
| 01:48.24 | TC-work | Yea, i prefer evga |
| 01:48.28 | Primer | http://ceregatti.org/newbox |
| 01:48.30 | Primer | that's what I have |
| 01:48.31 | TC-work | however they don't handle 8gig sticks |
| 01:48.41 | Gnarfoz | that's a bit of a broad statement |
| 01:48.52 | Gnarfoz | considering the memory controllers are in the CPU these days |
| 01:48.52 | TC-work | or rather, 64gig total or something |
| 01:49.04 | SuperPortia | How do you declare a add-on level variable? |
| 01:49.13 | Gnarfoz | blah = x |
| 01:49.31 | Gnarfoz | not sure what you mean :D |
| 01:49.33 | SuperPortia | And that will be visible to the entire add-on? |
| 01:49.44 | SuperPortia | I thought there was add-on storage |
| 01:49.46 | Gnarfoz | entire implies... there's multiple parts |
| 01:49.52 | SuperPortia | Yes |
| 01:49.57 | SuperPortia | Multiple files in the TOC |
| 01:49.59 | TC-work | Yea...I'm not seeing a single evga board with support for 8GB sitcks |
| 01:50.02 | TC-work | sticks* |
| 01:50.10 | Primer | I just wonder if getting a new motherboard will be enough |
| 01:50.26 | Gnarfoz | if you want to pollute the global namespace, you easily can |
| 01:50.46 | TC-work | I have only 4 out of 6 slots working so i am at 8GB when i should be at 12 |
| 01:51.01 | VIad | I got a galaxy s2 but unsure if I should root and in case I want to, how :S |
| 01:51.07 | TC-work | not worth it to just replace the mobo |
| 01:52.22 | TC-work | oh, i lied, they do have 8gb slot mobo's but not reaching 64gb |
| 01:52.30 | Gnarfoz | 8gb slot |
| 01:52.30 | Gnarfoz | what |
| 01:52.33 | Primer | well, my system is getting close to being 2 years old... |
| 01:52.34 | Gnarfoz | slots don't care |
| 01:53.01 | TC-work | yea....not being literal.. |
| 01:53.11 | Gnarfoz | why would they even advertise that, it's not a property of the motherboard |
| 01:53.33 | TC-work | most mobo's will say the max capacity of ram |
| 01:53.39 | Gnarfoz | that doesn't make sense. |
| 01:53.52 | Gnarfoz | since it's not dependant on them anymore :\ |
| 01:53.58 | Gnarfoz | *dependent, even |
| 01:54.22 | VIad | anyone got a rooted galaxy s2? |
| 01:54.27 | TC-work | Well, since every single one has it printed, you might be wrong there |
| 01:54.28 | Gnarfoz | well, maybe the voltage regulators are the limit, or something :\ |
| 01:54.34 | Gnarfoz | every single one? |
| 01:54.39 | TC-work | That i have seen |
| 01:54.41 | Gnarfoz | of every company? ever? |
| 01:54.52 | TC-work | See above |
| 01:56.29 | Gnarfoz | they put it in the same line as the highly overclocked frequency |
| 01:56.42 | Gnarfoz | maybe there's the connection? |
| 01:58.48 | kd3|netbook | I'm not sure I'd camp at either spot: http://i.imgur.com/Vt7fe.jpg |
| 01:58.55 | Gnarfoz | hah |
| 01:58.55 | Gnarfoz | or |
| 01:58.59 | Gnarfoz | and this makes a lot more sense |
| 01:59.03 | Gnarfoz | <Gnarfoz> if you want to pollute the global namespace, you easily can |
| 01:59.07 | Gnarfoz | copy & paste fail! :D |
| 01:59.12 | Gnarfoz | http://ark.intel.com/products/52213 <-- |
| 01:59.17 | Gnarfoz | the CPU doesn't support more |
| 02:00.01 | Gnarfoz | and if intel says no CPU in that socket will support more than that, then they can just put it in the description of the board, even though it's not the restricting factor |
| 02:00.40 | TC-work | but that's showing the total amount, not the amount per slot |
| 02:00.58 | Gnarfoz | ...yes? |
| 02:01.23 | End_ | I dunno |
| 02:01.23 | TC-work | that was my original comment. |
| 02:01.25 | Gnarfoz | (which would also be dictated by the CPU) |
| 02:01.30 | End_ | I have 8GB sticks though |
| 02:01.45 | TC-work | but i only ever see the notation on the mobo, not the cpu. |
| 02:01.53 | TC-work | for per slot that is |
| 02:01.58 | End_ | I'm not sure if they were on the officially supported list the mobo lists, I didn't look |
| 02:01.58 | Gnarfoz | I'm not sure how much clearer I can make this: they put something in the specs of their product that's not actually a property of their product |
| 02:02.06 | Gnarfoz | *shrug* |
| 02:04.58 | Primer | I really want more than 8g of ram though. I think I should just buy 2x8g sticks as well as a new motherboard |
| 02:05.30 | Primer | I some times run 2 instances of WoW while running eclipse, firefox, chrome, and a bunch of other shit |
| 02:05.43 | TC-work | yes, you should get more then 8gb |
| 02:05.54 | Primer | and I've seen swapping with only 8G |
| 02:05.56 | Primer | than |
| 02:06.35 | Primer | So that Ars system guide recommended this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130643 |
| 02:06.52 | kd3|netbook | ah, abusing the hotel internet is nice |
| 02:07.03 | kd3|netbook | mbit torrent downloads? sure |
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| 02:07.19 | VIad | rooting is confusing, for example my *#1234# tells me my versions, 3 of them... PDA: I9100XWLPY PHONE: I9100XXLQ6 CSC: I9100NEELP6 |
| 02:07.25 | kd3|netbook | s/mbit/mbyte/ |
| 02:07.31 | VIad | in addition you got stuff like kernels, android versions, e.g. |
| 02:07.36 | nebula169 | people like you always ruining hotel internet |
| 02:07.42 | nebula169 | shakes his fist |
| 02:08.02 | Gnarfoz | read up on it, and it stops being confusing |
| 02:08.42 | TC-work | Primer: do make sure your chip is supported. And note that if you ever go SLI it's x8/x8 not x16/x16 |
| 02:08.56 | VIad | the problem is reading up on it, too many variables, most threads don't really explain what they mean |
| 02:09.03 | Gnarfoz | then don't read threads |
| 02:09.09 | Gnarfoz | read wikis |
| 02:09.18 | Primer | TC-work: my CPU is LGA 1155 |
| 02:09.22 | Gnarfoz | at least they have some chance of being not FULL OF IDIOTS :D |
| 02:09.35 | VIad | just google "i9100 root" and glhf so many stuff, no wikis :P |
| 02:10.01 | Gnarfoz | if you're not bright enough to use google properly, you're better off not rooting anything, I guess |
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| 02:10.17 | VIad | thanks for the help Gnarfoz |
| 02:10.22 | Gnarfoz | you're welcome |
| 02:10.27 | nebula169 | can always get an iphone! |
| 02:10.28 | VIad | you are an excellent addition to the interwebs |
| 02:10.37 | Gnarfoz | yes, I know. |
| 02:11.04 | VIad | next time you ask something related to addons, I'll reply "google it, if you can't then maybe you shouldn't code addons" :D |
| 02:11.06 | Gnarfoz | telling people to stop bitching and use more than two search terms is one of my best acts, it's very popular |
| 02:11.19 | Gnarfoz | I'm not likely to care |
| 02:11.32 | VIad | as I said, I tried using each one of the variables provided by the version page, and each shows different results :P not very assuring |
| 02:11.57 | Gnarfoz | googling version numbers... that's going to work out |
| 02:11.58 | VIad | I wonder why the versions page shows PDA and CSC in addition to phone version |
| 02:12.06 | Gnarfoz | because they can have different versions |
| 02:12.16 | Gnarfoz | (/rather obvious/) |
| 02:12.28 | VIad | what version would you use when you google? :P |
| 02:12.33 | VIad | pda, phone or csc version? :P |
| 02:12.37 | Gnarfoz | none |
| 02:12.58 | VIad | why not? |
| 02:13.05 | Gnarfoz | because they're not really relevant for it |
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| 02:13.14 | VIad | what is relevant when you are rooting? |
| 02:13.26 | VIad | build number? kernel? baseband? |
| 02:13.33 | Gnarfoz | basically? just the model and what android version you're on, probably. |
| 02:13.49 | Gnarfoz | not kernel, certainly not baseband (which =radio=phone) |
| 02:13.56 | VIad | you think kernel is irrelevant? |
| 02:13.58 | Gnarfoz | yes. |
| 02:14.00 | VIad | or build |
| 02:14.20 | VIad | what if I use a root file for a US phone while the EU phone is a bit different, wouldn't it break my phone? |
| 02:14.32 | Gnarfoz | there's no US "i9100" |
| 02:14.39 | Gnarfoz | US variants are different phones |
| 02:15.16 | Gnarfoz | (-> they don't go by "i9100" which is specificly the worldwide, not-from-a-cellphone-network galaxy s2) |
| 02:15.32 | Gnarfoz | hence it being called Galaxy S2 (International) some times |
| 02:16.05 | VIad | for instance I now read a thread talking about a kernel |
| 02:17.17 | VIad | seems like the pda and csc versions are important |
| 02:17.27 | Gnarfoz | not if you don't overwrite them |
| 02:17.33 | VIad | http://androidforums.com/galaxy-s2-international-all-things-root/482994-rooting-galaxy-s2-dummies-guide-9.html |
| 02:17.34 | Gnarfoz | which you don't need to, just to get superuser |
| 02:17.38 | VIad | hmm |
| 02:18.24 | VIad | hard to narrow google hits to "just root" |
| 02:18.34 | VIad | most talk about kernels and roms |
| 02:19.38 | VIad | lack of proper explanations makes me not want to root :P |
| 02:19.48 | Gnarfoz | why do you want it in the first place |
| 02:19.54 | VIad | want to record my calls |
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| 02:20.39 | VIad | and I want to turn off applications that run and drain battery, that I don't need or use, but that are enforced by samsung :P |
| 02:21.09 | Gnarfoz | "turn off" is only really possible by removing |
| 02:21.15 | VIad | you can disable |
| 02:21.19 | Gnarfoz | good luck with that. |
| 02:21.20 | VIad | disable services |
| 02:21.27 | VIad | I have disabled most that I could :P |
| 02:21.32 | Gnarfoz | yeah, you think. |
| 02:21.34 | VIad | voice recognition services and such |
| 02:21.48 | VIad | well the battery lasts around 2 days no charging now, better than one lol |
| 02:22.22 | Gnarfoz | well, you can freeze some apps now, but unless you disconnect their receivers using (not sure if an alternative exists) autorun manager, they're just going to come back :P |
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| 02:23.59 | VIad | I find it silly that the guides for rooting always take specific models but never explain why they do what they do, just says "if you got X phone do Y" but I see version differences that can cause issues, kernel differences, e.g. :P and no guides explain what really happens when you root, change kernel, rom, e.g. |
| 02:25.57 | Gnarfoz | basically it amounts to putting the 'su' binary on the phone and being able to control it. |
| 02:26.10 | VIad | for example of a GOOD way to explain modding (of wii atm) http://wiibrew.org/wiki/Homebrew_Channel/Help |
| 02:26.14 | Gnarfoz | how that is achieved, of course, is a different matter, and is not the same on all phones :p |
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| 02:27.04 | durcyn | when the best response to the bulk of what you say is "shut up", maybe the issue is with you, amarande, i mean VIad |
| 02:27.13 | VIad | lol |
| 02:27.44 | bluspacecow | *noms vlad* |
| 02:27.55 | VIad | just frustrated I wanna do a basic thing like control my applications and record important calls, but my default phone don't allow it, so I have to root (something that looks so trivial and simple) but is overcomplicated by the looks of it :P |
| 02:28.41 | durcyn | it's only complicated by hardware differences and manufacturers trying to prevent it |
| 02:29.47 | VIad | for galaxy s2 the filename template is basically "CF-Root-SGS2_*-v5.3-CWM5" for all the different patches to enable root |
| 02:30.09 | Rythal | >< rooting is easy... my s2, nexus 4 & nexus 7 are all rooted |
| 02:30.10 | VIad | the star is what changes from model to model apparently, but what is v5.3? what is CWM5? not explained in any thread I've seen :P |
| 02:30.14 | durcyn | as for recording calls, you might consider google voice. |
| 02:30.30 | Rythal | CWM is the bootloader |
| 02:30.40 | Gnarfoz | btw, just to blow your bubble: I doubt rooting will improve your call recording endeavours |
| 02:30.40 | Gnarfoz | s/blow/burst/ |
| 02:30.41 | Gnarfoz | (yay engrish) |
| 02:31.24 | VIad | does CWM6 exist? if so, how can I tell if my phone can use it? |
| 02:31.31 | VIad | seems like you know something, Rythal |
| 02:31.47 | Gnarfoz | by googling: cwm6 sgs2 i9100 :\ |
| 02:31.57 | Gnarfoz | VIad: as hinted at in my previous "it's just putting su on the phone" statement... CWM replaces the stock recovery software on your phone |
| 02:32.23 | Gnarfoz | and CWM, unlike the stock version, allows installing (or "flashing", if you will) of unsigned software |
| 02:32.25 | VIad | does this mean using these CF-Root files will disable default updating and recovery in case of issues, services? |
| 02:32.43 | VIad | "restore to factory defaults" for instance |
| 02:32.54 | Gnarfoz | you can always do that, that just clears your settings. |
| 02:33.00 | Rythal | yes cwm6 exists.. and yes the S2 will take it.. but any version works |
| 02:33.46 | Rythal | it's all about just gaining control over the phone... any version lets you do that |
| 02:33.47 | Gnarfoz | (no, it won't restore whatever phone software was on there before. it won't undo a custom ROM) |
| 02:33.48 | VIad | will future phone updates interfere with the root procedure? |
| 02:33.56 | Gnarfoz | yes |
| 02:34.04 | VIad | so it can damage the phone I take it |
| 02:34.09 | Gnarfoz | no |
| 02:34.23 | Rythal | if your looking at the odin methods yes |
| 02:34.41 | Gnarfoz | unless you ignore the DON'T TURN OFF POWER NOW warnings |
| 02:34.43 | VIad | is the CF-Root stricktly bound with the Odin program? |
| 02:34.52 | Gnarfoz | (or the DON'T UNPLUG NOW... you should be fine) |
| 02:35.24 | VIad | all odin3 threads I've noticed have a link to a CF-Root file :P |
| 02:35.30 | Gnarfoz | that's great. |
| 02:35.55 | Gnarfoz | have you even ever looked at what recovery image your phone has now? |
| 02:36.14 | VIad | nope |
| 02:36.18 | Gnarfoz | if not, turn it off, and hold vol-up, home and power until the logo shows, then let go |
| 02:36.25 | Gnarfoz | should drop you into recovery |
| 02:36.47 | Rythal | probably the default one |
| 02:37.04 | Gnarfoz | (you navigate there by using vol-up, vol-down and power button, usually. don't freak out, it's not touch.) |
| 02:37.15 | VIad | menu opened up |
| 02:37.21 | Gnarfoz | yeah, it will probably say something about "Recovery 3e") |
| 02:37.32 | VIad | 3e |
| 02:37.43 | Gnarfoz | yeah, you can just go to reboot now ;) |
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| 02:37.53 | Gnarfoz | anyway, *that* is what CWM replaces |
| 02:37.59 | VIad | aha |
| 02:38.51 | VIad | I wonder if you can do a full backup of the phone before doing stuff to it :P |
| 02:38.55 | Gnarfoz | yes, from there |
| 02:39.32 | Gnarfoz | (although I'm not sure how much good a "nandroid backup", as they're called, will do you, if you somehow fuck up your recovery :D) |
| 02:41.08 | Gnarfoz | this might sound arcane, but for your particular phone, unless you're flashing something onto it that replaces the primary and secondary bootloaders, you shouldn't be able to irrecoverably brick it |
| 02:41.48 | VIad | Rythal said that odin3 could make a mess with future samsung updates and such, but what other methods are there? |
| 02:42.09 | Gnarfoz | "could make a mess"? |
| 02:42.23 | Rythal | not make a mess, it can undo it |
| 02:42.26 | Gnarfoz | yeah |
| 02:42.28 | VIad | aha |
| 02:43.02 | Gnarfoz | if you flash a stock rom (i.e. an unaltered one from samsung), via Kies or Odin, it will - of course - replace what you got now |
| 02:43.24 | Gnarfoz | meaning you'd have to root again |
| 02:43.32 | Rythal | once you go cwm, you never want to update officially again |
| 02:43.36 | VIad | what method would you use if you only want to root without altering too much? :) |
| 02:43.48 | Gnarfoz | there's really no reason to anyway, samsung is slow as molasses :D |
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| 02:44.06 | VIad | seems like clockworkmod is good |
| 02:44.24 | Rythal | none... to root it you need cwm so you can install the root pack... 3e won't install anything unsigned |
| 02:44.30 | Gnarfoz | sure (that's CWM, if you haven't realized), but installing that doesn't give you root |
| 02:44.59 | Gnarfoz | well |
| 02:45.27 | Gnarfoz | there's bound to be *something* on xda, I just don't own the phone or I could point you to it :P |
| 02:45.55 | Rythal | I just looked :P xda is saying odin to get cwm, cwm to install root |
| 02:46.15 | Gnarfoz | that sounds like what I was trying to advocate in the first place |
| 02:46.19 | Gnarfoz | (: |
| 02:46.28 | VIad | what about if a new android versions is released, since I shouldn't update using the built in update service |
| 02:46.34 | VIad | how would I go about? :P |
| 02:46.49 | Rythal | since the s2 is obsolete now, there won't be any |
| 02:46.53 | Gnarfoz | what? |
| 02:46.54 | Gnarfoz | bs |
| 02:47.09 | Gnarfoz | download rom, put on phone's sd card via usb, go to CWM, install, reboot, done |
| 02:47.30 | clever | i let the samsung software do the latest update, it de-rooted the device |
| 02:47.38 | Gnarfoz | of course it did |
| 02:47.39 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 02:47.42 | clever | i havent checked for CWM yet, but i should be able to re-root it if i need to |
| 02:47.51 | Gnarfoz | exactly |
| 02:47.58 | VIad | where do you get the rom? :P |
| 02:48.07 | Gnarfoz | most likely? xda. |
| 02:48.08 | Rythal | that's why I love my nexus's |
| 02:48.24 | Gnarfoz | depends on what you actually use, VIad |
| 02:48.36 | Rythal | to root it, I just say ok I give up warranty gimme root |
| 02:48.50 | Gnarfoz | you could also stick to downloading official samsung roms from sammobile.com, flash them via Odin and keep rooting them yourself |
| 02:49.05 | VIad | so odin is the only way to get root |
| 02:49.20 | Rythal | odin lets you do everything... flash any of the 3 parts |
| 02:49.34 | Gnarfoz | I'm not sure if it is, it's just what most people use |
| 02:50.09 | Rythal | for some phones you can root by adb pushes |
| 02:50.19 | Rythal | but samsung locks there's down |
| 02:50.23 | Gnarfoz | *theirs |
| 02:50.43 | clever | i havent been able to run adbd as root, even after rooting it |
| 02:51.41 | Gnarfoz | It's a shame XDA threads are, for the most part, of such shoddy quality ^^ |
| 02:52.13 | VIad | explain to me what Kies is :P |
| 02:52.27 | Rythal | kies is samsungs updater program |
| 02:52.28 | VIad | I mean I know what it does for most users, but can it be used for instance to root? |
| 02:52.33 | Rythal | no |
| 02:52.34 | VIad | aha |
| 02:52.52 | Gnarfoz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rooting_%28Android_OS%29 wheee |
| 02:52.57 | Gnarfoz | something that has sentences! |
| 02:53.46 | VIad | what is OTA? |
| 02:53.50 | Gnarfoz | over the air |
| 02:53.54 | VIad | ah |
| 02:54.14 | Gnarfoz | don't bother thinking about it, unless your phone has *ever* said "wheee, new phone software available" |
| 02:54.21 | Gnarfoz | (and I don't mean app updates.) |
| 02:55.20 | VIad | so how I see it now, odin3 + cwm ct-root file = rooted phone and default samsung updates will revert back to e3 and remove the root so I'd have to reapply |
| 02:55.47 | Gnarfoz | I'm uncertain about the middle part, I don't know if Kies will replace the recovery image. |
| 02:56.08 | VIad | tracking down the proper ct-root file to use depends on model but also I am a bit unsure how important the pda/phone/csc version information is |
| 02:56.11 | clever | yeah, i havent checked to see if CWM is still there |
| 02:56.18 | clever | but i have heard of the main system image restoring recovery at bootup |
| 02:56.23 | Gnarfoz | but certainly, flashing a new stock rom will undo your root, since the new stock rom... obviously hasn't been "rooted" ;) |
| 02:56.52 | VIad | could there be a system file issue if the stock unrooted rom is applied on top of a rooted phone, like md5 issues of some kinds? |
| 02:56.59 | clever | VIad: generaly, all your doing is unpacking a file to /system/bin/su and setting the setuid root bit |
| 02:57.05 | Gnarfoz | VIad: stick to whats available, I guess? people won't mark root-...thingies with CSC versions if CSC version is not important |
| 02:57.16 | VIad | but what is csc version? :P |
| 02:57.34 | VIad | and what is this pda version? phone version is what I'd generally use to find a ct-root file |
| 02:58.06 | Gnarfoz | https://www.google.com/search?q=phone+csc |
| 02:58.07 | Gnarfoz | seriously :D |
| 02:58.09 | Rythal | "update available" heh... before the nexus... last time I ever saw that message was.... galaxy 1 from eclair to froyo |
| 02:58.24 | Gnarfoz | and even then you were lucky |
| 02:58.42 | Gnarfoz | afaik NO network provider does these here |
| 02:58.52 | Gnarfoz | well, at least not then |
| 02:59.18 | Gnarfoz | maybe now :) but I've shed the shackles of my stock rom :D |
| 02:59.55 | Rythal | yeah... the update actually killed my phone, fortunately I had only had it for 3 weeks so they sent me a new one.. and from that moment on custom roms |
| 03:00.25 | VIad | so I read about what the pda/phone/csc is, but in relation to rooting how are these variables important? |
| 03:00.58 | Gnarfoz | VIad: I don't even know how to describe it properly, so you'd better look it up yourself regardless, but: csc is some stuff about the networks and should match your region/country/whatever. (that doesn't mean it has to be identical, though). PDA is your rom version and Phone is the radio/ril/baseband |
| 03:01.21 | Gnarfoz | so, from a rooting perspective, only PDA is relevant |
| 03:01.29 | VIad | why do some of these odin3 cwm ct-root patching articles use the PDA option to apply the patch and not phone? |
| 03:01.30 | VIad | aha |
| 03:01.31 | Gnarfoz | (IF that) |
| 03:01.53 | Rythal | unless the root is trying to install an entire new rom, in which case all 3 are important |
| 03:02.15 | Gnarfoz | yeah. |
| 03:02.34 | Gnarfoz | but that's not necessary, so, if you don't want to do that, steer clear of those |
| 03:02.52 | VIad | http://samsunggalaxysforums.com/showthread.php/9830-Official-Firmware-I9100XWLPY-Android-4.0.3-%28Ice-Cream-Sandwich%29 |
| 03:03.04 | VIad | I googled my pda version and that was the first hit :P |
| 03:03.35 | Gnarfoz | that's... great? |
| 03:03.37 | Gnarfoz | now what |
| 03:03.49 | VIad | norway isn't on the regions list :P |
| 03:04.05 | kd3|netbook | hm. has anyone reverse-engineered remote guild chat so we don't have to use the armory app? |
| 03:04.06 | Gnarfoz | you googled the software version |
| 03:04.12 | VIad | true dat |
| 03:04.33 | Gnarfoz | kd3|netbook: no, since ENKRYPSCHOOON and... you bet Blizz is going to not like that. ;D |
| 03:05.08 | Gnarfoz | and the result you got was someone posting who had the NEELP6 CSC |
| 03:05.11 | nebula169 | having like a pidgin plugin for it would be so nice ;[ or some other kind of standalone client |
| 03:05.13 | VIad | right, for rooting software version is irrelevant, only model is |
| 03:05.30 | bluspacecow | ha ha |
| 03:05.35 | bluspacecow | just saw this : https://twitter.com/CM_Zarhym/status/280868450421837825 |
| 03:05.44 | bluspacecow | guess they don't really care do they |
| 03:06.30 | Gnarfoz | but... Fansite program! |
| 03:07.12 | Gnarfoz | and lol Bink being clueless, needs a cluebat to the head |
| 03:07.30 | VIad | what is the Siyah kernel thing also floating on the interwebs? |
| 03:07.37 | Gnarfoz | no clue. |
| 03:07.41 | Gnarfoz | irrelevant to what you want to do. |
| 03:07.51 | kd3|netbook | blu, did you email him yet? I'm about to |
| 03:07.59 | VIad | probably, shame the article writer titled it "rooting ..." hehe :P |
| 03:08.24 | Kraps | haha wow at zarhym |
| 03:08.42 | bluspacecow | nope |
| 03:08.56 | Kraps | gj supporting addon devs bli$$ard |
| 03:09.15 | Gnarfoz | they're blissard now? |
| 03:09.24 | Kraps | oops i mean activi$ion-bli$$ard |
| 03:09.30 | Rythal | I R not impressed at all with that tweet.... |
| 03:09.36 | Shadowed | ok that's pretty funny |
| 03:09.42 | Gnarfoz | now you're even confused about what company you're talking about |
| 03:10.28 | Kraps | good job being a $hill |
| 03:10.33 | Gnarfoz | a what |
| 03:10.35 | Rythal | on the flip side.... 3 months after release? who even wants a copy anymore *chuckles* |
| 03:10.51 | Gnarfoz | aha, I work for Blizzard now |
| 03:10.57 | Gnarfoz | they should pay me, then! :D |
| 03:11.16 | bluspacecow | @gnarfoz send me something devs have touched so I can sign it |
| 03:11.20 | bluspacecow | and sell it |
| 03:11.25 | bluspacecow | DO EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEtTTTTTTTTTTTT |
| 03:11.33 | Gnarfoz | for "defending" the fact that WoW is not made by Activision Blizzard :D |
| 03:11.38 | Gnarfoz | I'm so evul :( |
| 03:12.07 | Kraps | gnarfo$ |
| 03:12.11 | Gnarfoz | VIad: so, you already have the latest 4.0 (ICS) ROM by Samsung on your phone? Have you checked if Kies offers you any update? |
| 03:12.22 | VIad | I got the latest |
| 03:12.22 | Gnarfoz | Kraps: more unicode, man. there's bound to be a Z | hybrid |
| 03:12.31 | Kraps | eh |
| 03:12.32 | Gnarfoz | VIad: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1501719 , then? |
| 03:12.34 | VIad | the update service says I got no more updates to get :D |
| 03:12.45 | VIad | hmm |
| 03:13.11 | VIad | that looks... safe! |
| 03:13.12 | VIad | :D |
| 03:13.35 | Rythal | I'm having trouble finding motivation to login and do my 5 dailies >< |
| 03:13.37 | Gnarfoz | it basically RUNs CWM instead of replacing the original recovery, installs su, and that's that |
| 03:13.44 | *** join/#wowuidev Neffi (~Neffi@pool-98-116-218-107.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) |
| 03:13.54 | Gnarfoz | Rythal: http://www.nerfnow.com/comic/886 |
| 03:14.10 | VIad | only a question, in case I provide a invalid or incompatible file will the phone prevent it from trying to install something that is not compatible? :P |
| 03:14.12 | VIad | just asking, hehe |
| 03:14.42 | Gnarfoz | it will probably fail spectactularily. |
| 03:14.56 | Gnarfoz | -t |
| 03:14.56 | bluspacecow | Kitty is attempting to stealth: http://i.imgur.com/PdXrl.gif |
| 03:15.09 | VIad | :P |
| 03:15.13 | bluspacecow | kitty rouge! |
| 03:15.18 | bluspacecow | >_< |
| 03:15.22 | bluspacecow | *rogue |
| 03:16.01 | VIad | sdcard is the internal memory right? |
| 03:16.16 | Rythal | no |
| 03:16.18 | VIad | because when I put thing in there they don't appear on my external microsd :D haha |
| 03:16.45 | kd3|netbook | is it me or did most of the responses to zar's tweet disappear? |
| 03:17.00 | Gnarfoz | just remove the removable sd card and then you're pretty much certain which one it's on. |
| 03:17.17 | Gnarfoz | kd3|netbook: not you |
| 03:17.23 | Rythal | it's not just you.... they got moderated |
| 03:17.55 | VIad | Gnarfoz: do you recommend stock recovery or the busybox thing? |
| 03:18.01 | VIad | do you know the difference? |
| 03:18.09 | Rythal | I'm ashamed to see howtopriest in the left replies :/ |
| 03:18.12 | bluspacecow | https://twitter.com/CM_Zarhym/status/280868450421837825 |
| 03:18.21 | bluspacecow | my 4 are still there. |
| 03:18.40 | Rythal | I don't see them blu |
| 03:18.48 | kd3|netbook | I ctrl+f5'd and still don't see them |
| 03:18.50 | Gnarfoz | I don't do recommendations, especially when I know the person I'm giving them to couldn't themselves figure out which one they wanted and for what reason |
| 03:18.55 | bluspacecow | weird |
| 03:18.58 | Rythal | I see Joey H, then howtopriest |
| 03:19.02 | Rythal | no others |
| 03:19.09 | kd3|netbook | huh. then mine got moderated too |
| 03:19.11 | bluspacecow | yeah i just put it into firefox |
| 03:19.14 | Gnarfoz | bluspacecow: you just got coventry'd :D |
| 03:19.24 | bluspacecow | can still see them in chrome tho |
| 03:19.34 | Gnarfoz | bluspacecow: log out? :> |
| 03:19.39 | bluspacecow | going to try safari with a fresh cookie and log out |
| 03:20.39 | bluspacecow | i can only see it when I'm logged in |
| 03:20.58 | Gnarfoz | textbook Coventry :D |
| 03:21.03 | VIad | nvm Gnarfoz |
| 03:22.25 | bluspacecow | what ever happened to MMO Minion again ? Shirik got too busy and no replacement programmer was found amirite |
| 03:22.38 | Gnarfoz | VIad: also, in what context? the "doesn't need odin" root thingy doesn't seem to offer a choice (and why would it)? also, busybox and recovery are different things entirely, they're not alternatives to each other |
| 03:23.21 | bluspacecow | ok here's someone who retwitted it : https://twitter.com/JixxyJexxy |
| 03:23.24 | VIad | that's why I said nvm, I missread lol :p |
| 03:23.29 | VIad | procedure done |
| 03:23.31 | bluspacecow | can you see her tweets about it? |
| 03:23.54 | Gnarfoz | bluspacecow: i can see tweets, of course I'm not sure if they're the ones you mean. :) |
| 03:24.03 | bluspacecow | world of addons ones |
| 03:24.03 | VIad | it booted, that's a good sign |
| 03:24.03 | kd3|netbook | alright, I sent an email |
| 03:24.23 | bluspacecow | oh oh |
| 03:24.28 | bluspacecow | "we got a badass here" meme |
| 03:24.34 | bluspacecow | :3 |
| 03:24.41 | Rythal | ahh tenton... money... now it makes more sense to me |
| 03:24.43 | bluspacecow | takes a lot for you to send an email out :3 |
| 03:24.58 | bluspacecow | KD3 SMASH! *runs* |
| 03:24.59 | kd3|netbook | lol |
| 03:25.05 | Gnarfoz | huh? kd3 spams my inbox REGULARILY! |
| 03:25.16 | Gnarfoz | doesn't take more than a silly ptr patch to get him going ;) |
| 03:25.44 | bluspacecow | i think he means to blizzard or on the MVP mailing list :) |
| 03:25.53 | kd3|netbook | ^ |
| 03:26.01 | Gnarfoz | (you don't say :) |
| 03:28.24 | Rythal | blu: I can see your retweets by her |
| 03:30.08 | bluspacecow | heh i see |
| 03:30.40 | bluspacecow | wonder how fast they can moderate them |
| 03:30.56 | Rythal | he replied to you |
| 03:31.06 | bluspacecow | i see that |
| 03:31.07 | bluspacecow | https://twitter.com/CM_Zarhym/status/280877638027997184 |
| 03:31.31 | Gnarfoz | well, that's basically "don't shoot the messenger" ^^ |
| 03:32.18 | bluspacecow | heh at least it's "a MVP shouldn't say that ! *RAGE*" |
| 03:32.21 | Rythal | interesting... now it's just one of your comments and his reply |
| 03:32.25 | bluspacecow | *it's not |
| 03:32.31 | bluspacecow | begs the question |
| 03:32.38 | bluspacecow | why he didn't forsee this before posting |
| 03:32.44 | *** join/#wowuidev Iriel (~Iriel@173-8-135-209-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 03:32.44 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 03:32.47 | bluspacecow | and picking a different "fansite" to start with first |
| 03:32.57 | bluspacecow | https://twitter.com/CM_Zarhym/status/280877638027997184 |
| 03:33.02 | bluspacecow | ^^ Iriel |
| 03:33.20 | bluspacecow | BRB |
| 03:33.27 | Rythal | lol he's playing innocent and replied to your post about moderation Gnarfoz |
| 03:35.39 | Gnarfoz | Rythal: yeah I saw. I don't pretend to know how it works on Twitter, I guess you just report a tweet as spam? *no idea* |
| 03:36.14 | Gnarfoz | I wanted to plug #wowuidev in there, but 140 chars... :( |
| 03:36.29 | VIad | thanks Gnarfoz and Rythal for the information :) |
| 03:36.38 | Gnarfoz | now go break your phone, damnit |
| 03:36.38 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 03:36.44 | VIad | it's rooted and not broken :P |
| 03:37.00 | Gnarfoz | our evil plan is foiled |
| 03:37.26 | VIad | any tips how to disable the voice commands service stuff? |
| 03:37.29 | VIad | always runs, I never use it :P |
| 03:37.33 | VIad | just for battery sake |
| 03:38.09 | VIad | lame service... |
| 03:39.33 | Gnarfoz | next, I'd start investigating what actually uses battery. While the "I don't use this, I want to get rid of it" argument can certainly be made, something being there doesn't necessarily imply it's eating your battery. Services get called upon when what they handle happens. |
| 03:39.48 | VIad | I just look at the "running" services list |
| 03:39.53 | Gnarfoz | (unless it's a shit service and it actually does!) |
| 03:40.11 | Gnarfoz | well, that's pretty... fuzzy. |
| 03:40.11 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 03:40.38 | Gnarfoz | le omg |
| 03:40.40 | Gnarfoz | le time |
| 03:40.46 | Gnarfoz | le sleep :( |
| 03:41.11 | VIad | same |
| 03:41.13 | VIad | gn ;) |
| 03:41.16 | Rythal | ok now i'm curious how those tweets got "hidden" I don't see any sort of spam protection, or tweet removal, or cleanup when I look at my feed |
| 03:41.28 | Rythal | I hate when I get curious |
| 03:41.41 | Gnarfoz | Rythal: meaning, you still see them? or what do you mean by you don't see anything |
| 03:42.10 | Gnarfoz | why would tweets that got hidden leave traces behind for you to see? |
| 03:42.37 | Rythal | Gnarfoz: all those tweets that were in reply condeming his post that just vanished.... I'm looking at my own twitter feed to stuff that people posted to me, and I don't see any mention of any sort of control like that |
| 03:43.07 | Gnarfoz | you mean: "I'm surprised nobody else has mentioned this"? |
| 03:43.29 | Gnarfoz | well, as we have witnessed, it's a Coventry-style system |
| 03:43.39 | Gnarfoz | you still see your own posts |
| 03:43.48 | Gnarfoz | so most people probably don't realize? |
| 03:45.00 | Rythal | no no... I'm meaning like he said, suggesting he has the power to delete other's tweets... I'm looking at posts right now people sent to RythalWoW .... there is nothing to report one, to hide one, no moderation tools... so unless twitter gives more powers to certain users, he's telling the truth |
| 03:46.10 | Gnarfoz | well, you can at least block/report users for spam |
| 03:46.21 | Gnarfoz | I had assumed something similar was possible for tweets |
| 03:46.36 | Gnarfoz | but certainly not put into the hands of just some people because of X |
| 03:46.41 | Gnarfoz | but to all |
| 03:46.55 | Gnarfoz | but if it were like that, twitter would probably not be such a cesspool some times. :P |
| 03:47.25 | Jammer | it's probably got to do how twitter works... the db doesn't provide guarantees of consistency |
| 03:49.09 | Gnarfoz | or so they say :D |
| 03:49.49 | Rythal | I'm not one to believe in coincidences, all those posts vanished, and most are still gone except the 2 he replied to |
| 03:49.58 | bluspacecow | new credit card and erm. customer numbers not on the front nor is it on the statement |
| 03:50.20 | bluspacecow | so now i gotta keep the old card so i know which login to use for their online banking system |
| 03:51.05 | bluspacecow | @Rythal implying Blizzard has the power to delete or Convertary style moderate tweet implies a lot about using twitter as a communication medium |
| 03:51.25 | Gnarfoz | is that a quote? |
| 03:52.09 | bluspacecow | eg if someone was using it as they were afraid of being moderated on the forums about things |
| 03:52.09 | Gnarfoz | if so, he sure fucked up spelling Coventry, lol |
| 03:52.09 | bluspacecow | no if it was a quote it would be a twitter URL |
| 03:52.09 | Gnarfoz | hehe |
| 03:52.09 | Rythal | no it's not a quote :) he's replying to my speculations |
| 03:52.09 | bluspacecow | i don't quote twitter I link it. |
| 03:52.10 | bluspacecow | scroll up bro |
| 03:52.12 | Gnarfoz | bluspacecow: but... it might be gone! |
| 03:52.13 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 03:52.16 | Gnarfoz | better to quote. |
| 03:52.22 | Gnarfoz | *tinfoil* |
| 03:52.23 | bluspacecow | *gasp* |
| 03:52.27 | bluspacecow | they can moderate IRC |
| 03:52.33 | bluspacecow | *SHOCKED LOOK* |
| 03:52.35 | Gnarfoz | never! |
| 03:53.16 | Gnarfoz | not sure if freenode's ircd has squelching support |
| 03:53.20 | Gnarfoz | I think so |
| 03:54.02 | Gnarfoz | it's basically Coventry for IRC :D talk all you want, no one's actually receiving what you say |
| 03:54.33 | Rythal | nope, no +xX |
| 03:54.51 | Gnarfoz | assuming that's the mode they use for that |
| 03:55.16 | Rythal | it's the ircd default for it |
| 03:55.25 | Gnarfoz | there's no "ircd default" across ircd's, really |
| 03:55.33 | Gnarfoz | at least none that anyone must adhere to ^^ |
| 03:57.31 | kd3|netbook | oh wow... seriously? a "The Clapper" commercial? |
| 03:57.34 | kd3|netbook | haha |
| 03:58.57 | Gnarfoz | Rythal: freenode has +q chanmode, not sure if you can still send when affected by it |
| 03:59.11 | Gnarfoz | err, rather |
| 03:59.22 | Gnarfoz | if it accepts your message |
| 03:59.39 | Gnarfoz | or just says "no, gtfo, you're silenced" |
| 03:59.49 | Gnarfoz | (I'm guessing the latter) |
| 04:00.35 | kd3|netbook | freenode uses +z - messages blocked by +m/+q are still sent to the ops and nobody else |
| 04:00.46 | kd3|netbook | ./raw help cmode |
| 04:00.48 | Gnarfoz | that's for a different purpose, though |
| 04:01.17 | Gnarfoz | (moderated debates, so ops can see questions) |
| 04:01.53 | Gnarfoz | from http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml which is basically a pretty version of help cmode |
| 04:01.56 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 04:02.08 | Rythal | so yes... +q does still send the message, just no one see's it |
| 04:02.32 | Neffi | Forums make me laugh |
| 04:04.12 | bluspacecow | anyone end getting one on those kindle paperwhite things in the end ? how is turning a page done ? |
| 04:04.24 | End_ | too many ends |
| 04:05.54 | Gnarfoz | bluspacecow: EasyReach tap zones on Kindle Paperwhite's responsive touchscreen let you tap lightly to turn pages. No need to swipe or use two hands for fast, seamless page turns. |
| 04:06.05 | Gnarfoz | from, you guessed it, the product description. |
| 04:06.06 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 04:06.06 | bluspacecow | oooooo |
| 04:06.13 | bluspacecow | i thought it need a swipe |
| 04:06.26 | Gnarfoz | http://www.amazon.com/Kindle-Paperwhite-Touch-light/dp/B007OZNZG0 ;) ctrl+f 'turn' |
| 04:06.30 | bluspacecow | and was like "f that im doing that to mine when i'm in bed" |
| 04:06.31 | pompy | you thought wrong |
| 04:06.55 | bluspacecow | pressing a button or one place is better then a swipe for turning pages |
| 04:07.24 | Rythal | <3 moonreader on nexus7 ... 3 ways to turn the page! |
| 04:07.38 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: the more I help people the more my overall rating goes down... :D |
| 04:08.00 | bluspacecow | Doom kitty: https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/67743_10151218714926647_778425194_n.jpg |
| 04:08.14 | pompy | Ackis: i like that logic. |
| 04:08.17 | Gnarfoz | reminds me of House. |
| 04:08.30 | Gnarfoz | pompy: it characterizes him perfectly! |
| 04:22.10 | Wobin | bluspacecow: yeah, tap to turn |
| 04:22.17 | Neffi | Does the armory not show engineering tinkers on gear? |
| 04:22.20 | Wobin | you can swipe to change menu lists |
| 04:22.21 | bluspacecow | yay ty Wobin |
| 04:22.34 | bluspacecow | did it take long to get to ozzie ? |
| 04:22.40 | Neffi | I'm looking at multiple engineering-equipped mages in the armory and none of them appear to have tinkers showing up. |
| 04:23.10 | bluspacecow | no offence to Gnarfoz here but I know Wobin ordered one from the states to ship to australia. |
| 04:23.29 | Wobin | bluspacecow: Not so, I went with the local option |
| 04:23.33 | Wobin | I -did- ship the cover however |
| 04:23.34 | bluspacecow | >_> |
| 04:23.39 | bluspacecow | there's ones in ozzie ? |
| 04:23.40 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 04:23.45 | bluspacecow | y no nz ones |
| 04:23.48 | Wobin | more expensive option, readershop |
| 04:23.52 | Wobin | .com.au |
| 04:25.22 | Wobin | bluspacecow: the cover took about a week or so, but I regret the postage |
| 04:25.41 | Wobin | because reshipping |
| 04:26.46 | TC-Away | because money |
| 04:27.48 | bluspacecow | how much more expensive> |
| 04:28.09 | bluspacecow | btw thank you gnarfoz for googling the stuff for me . i appreciate it |
| 04:28.54 | Wobin | bluspacecow: the cover was about $40 |
| 04:29.00 | Wobin | the shipping about $30 |
| 04:29.10 | Wobin | or maybe the other way around |
| 04:29.18 | Wobin | either way, not something I want to do again |
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| 04:41.42 | Arrowmaster | well i havent experienced that in a while, a dialog decision just sent me directly to a game over screen |
| 04:46.31 | karl_w_w | my hdd activity light is on solid but according to process explorer nothing is reading or writing |
| 04:50.40 | bluspacecow | weird |
| 04:50.42 | Thunder_Child | kick the computer |
| 04:50.46 | bluspacecow | need some to track open files better |
| 04:50.48 | bluspacecow | like lsof |
| 04:51.12 | bluspacecow | or something like instruments on xcoe |
| 04:51.15 | bluspacecow | *xCode |
| 04:51.36 | pompy | bluspacecow: 4 earthquakes in L'Esparance Rock the past week, eh? |
| 04:52.20 | bluspacecow | really ? |
| 04:52.22 | bluspacecow | didn't feel it |
| 04:52.26 | bluspacecow | mind you |
| 04:52.39 | bluspacecow | didn't feel that large one we had in the middle of the north island a few weeks ago |
| 04:53.00 | bluspacecow | was on the 8th floor of my work building and my work mate felt it. I didn't. |
| 04:53.06 | bluspacecow | or I did and just ignored it |
| 04:53.39 | pompy | largest of the 4 was a 5.5 |
| 04:53.49 | Thunder_Child | Used to having someone rock your world? |
| 04:54.51 | bluspacecow | 600 km from NZ not sure if geonet got that one |
| 04:55.04 | bluspacecow | http://geonet.org.nz/quakes/quakesmap |
| 04:55.46 | pompy | 83km (52mi) NE of L'Esperance Rock, New Zealand 872km (542mi) NE of Whangarei, New Zealand 893km (555mi) NNE of Whakatane, New Zealand |
| 04:55.48 | pompy | was the 5.5 |
| 04:56.07 | pompy | Thunder_Child: how far is Avalon from you? |
| 04:56.51 | Thunder_Child | quite a ways, it's on an island |
| 04:57.57 | Thunder_Child | 50 miles as the crow flies |
| 05:01.34 | pompy | ah that had a 6.3 on teh 14th |
| 05:01.46 | Neffi | Is the base speed on hunter pets 100% in MoP? Or faster? |
| 05:02.21 | Thunder_Child | pompy: that was 163 miles from avalon |
| 05:02.32 | Thunder_Child | 10km underwater |
| 05:02.42 | Thunder_Child | and earth |
| 05:02.57 | Thunder_Child | http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/usc000e9sl#summary |
| 05:02.59 | pompy | yeah, thats the closest to it |
| 05:03.05 | pompy | so i guss thats why they labeled it avalon |
| 05:04.42 | Ackis | there was an earthquake in kiwiland? |
| 05:04.49 | Wobin | I'm kinda glad my country is relatively far from any faults |
| 05:04.56 | Wobin | earthquakes are very rare |
| 05:06.31 | pompy | Ackis: yar |
| 05:06.58 | bluspacecow | @ackis yeah mild one right in the middle of the north island. |
| 05:07.04 | bluspacecow | was in the news even |
| 05:07.16 | Ackis | the poor sheep |
| 05:07.42 | bluspacecow | might of been this one : http://geonet.org.nz/quakes/region/newzealand/2012p923684 |
| 05:09.26 | pompy | bluspacecow: there was a 6.3 in tokoroa on the 7th |
| 05:09.38 | pompy | http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/usc000e5z5#summary |
| 05:09.46 | bluspacecow | http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/8054243/Morning-quakes-rattle-Tokoroa |
| 05:10.32 | bluspacecow | matchs the geonet one |
| 05:10.38 | bluspacecow | time is the same |
| 05:10.43 | bluspacecow | location is very very close |
| 05:10.53 | pompy | oh wow a 7.3 in japan and 7.1 in indonesia |
| 05:11.18 | bluspacecow | 38.296°S, 176.078°E vs -38.35, 176.06 |
| 05:11.48 | Wobin | richter scale is so confusing at times. |
| 05:12.40 | bluspacecow | BBL |
| 05:13.25 | SuperPortia | !api currency |
| 05:13.26 | lua_bot | Found 28 possible matches for 'currency'. Please be more specific or check Google search results: http://is.gd/O6LG29 |
| 05:13.35 | SuperPortia | !api format |
| 05:13.35 | lua_bot | format: Returns a formatted string containing specified values (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/format) |
| 05:13.46 | SuperPortia | !api formatmoney |
| 05:13.46 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'formatmoney'. |
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| 05:16.37 | pompy | Wobin: guess the "Australia Plate" isn't so "sensitive"! |
| 05:17.56 | Wobin | pompy: probably one of the least seismically active ones around |
| 05:19.07 | pompy | thank god that 8.1 in 2004 two days before Christmas was offshore! |
| 05:20.08 | Wobin | I've only ever heard of one earthquake in my lifetime, in Newcastle in '89 |
| 05:20.18 | Wobin | although apparently there were a couple in 2010 and 2012 |
| 05:20.19 | Wobin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Earthquakes_in_Australia |
| 05:20.59 | pompy | yeah Wobin i was just looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_earthquakes_in_Australia |
| 05:21.52 | Wobin | yeah |
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| 05:41.33 | karl_w_w | seismologists don't use the richter scale |
| 05:43.11 | Neffi | They don't? |
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| 05:45.28 | karl_w_w | no |
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| 05:50.05 | karl_w_w | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moment_magnitude_scale |
| 05:54.31 | karl_w_w | I just destroyed a politician's arguments on a tech news site |
| 05:54.36 | karl_w_w | maybe I should got into politics |
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| 06:00.18 | Neffi | Do blues still read the official UI forums? |
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| 06:17.02 | pompy | Arrowmaster: why did it sign in my xbl acct on the xbox when i changed my password to my microsoft account? |
| 06:23.25 | Sintacks | Can you have an EU and a US license on a single battle.net? |
| 06:24.30 | Neffi | Does the community still do the API wishlist? |
| 06:24.40 | bluspacecow | *giggle* |
| 06:24.48 | Neffi | Where we used to post recommendations for the API? |
| 06:26.50 | bluspacecow | just wandering about how many recommendations are on there and if they actually act on them |
| 06:26.51 | bluspacecow | lol |
| 06:29.16 | Neffi | Slouken used to be quite active in those threads |
| 06:29.35 | Neffi | He provided us good feedback every so often, even justifying why some things might be added, might not, etc |
| 06:29.49 | Neffi | misses Slouken. |
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| 06:32.34 | Arrowmaster | hes in a better place now |
| 06:32.42 | Arrowmaster | working on linux steam |
| 06:32.53 | Neffi | Is that what he does nowadays? Awesome |
| 06:33.11 | Neffi | Is he still the active maintainer of SDL? |
| 06:33.27 | bluspacecow | SDL? |
| 06:33.42 | Neffi | SimpleDirectMediaLayer |
| 06:33.42 | Arrowmaster | wiki it |
| 06:33.45 | Neffi | http://www.libsdl.org/ |
| 06:33.56 | bluspacecow | oh that |
| 06:33.59 | bluspacecow | derp me |
| 06:34.03 | bluspacecow | herpy derpy |
| 06:34.19 | pompy | Arrowmaster: why did it let me!? |
| 06:34.25 | Arrowmaster | i dont know |
| 06:35.13 | Arrowmaster | i only answer questions for MS, they dont actually give me answers or give me ways of testing stuff |
| 06:36.02 | bluspacecow | https://twitter.com/CM_Zarhym/status/280924100753494019 |
| 06:37.07 | pompy | wth |
| 06:37.41 | bluspacecow | translation it's TTH's fault don't shoot me bro |
| 06:41.25 | Arrowmaster | whats going on? |
| 06:41.41 | Corveroth | They gave World of AddOns WoW stuff to give away. |
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| 06:42.20 | Neffi | anyone have any sentiments to add to thise? http://tinyurl.com/clhux2h |
| 06:42.31 | Sintacks | dafuq |
| 06:43.23 | Sintacks | "@CM_Zarhym: We gave @WorldofAddons some #Pandaria Collector's Editions (signed by the dev team) and suggested they pay it forward! <link>" |
| 06:43.31 | Sintacks | why the hell would they give world of addons CEs ... |
| 06:43.39 | Sintacks | o.. |
| 06:43.39 | Sintacks | blue |
| 06:43.42 | Sintacks | bastard |
| 06:43.44 | Sintacks | bat me to it |
| 06:43.49 | Sintacks | i didn't like though |
| 06:45.03 | Corveroth | Obviously too late to rescind the giveaway swag, but hopefully we can prevent this from happening again. |
| 06:45.08 | Sintacks | link* |
| 06:45.10 | Sintacks | wow i can't ype |
| 06:49.33 | Corveroth | So, anyone here familiar with computational geometry in general, or plane triangulation specifically? |
| 06:49.58 | Corveroth | I've got a project I wanna play with, and Wikipedia research hasn't led me to anything too directly related to my goal |
| 06:51.44 | Semlar | i've been on a plane before |
| 06:51.56 | Corveroth | Not quite =P |
| 06:52.34 | Corveroth | I wanna take a set of vertices and find a graph with low median degree and an upper bound on edge length. |
| 06:53.06 | Semlar | i know those words but not in that order |
| 06:53.20 | Corveroth | Well, uh, do you play Ingress? |
| 06:53.43 | Semlar | no |
| 06:53.50 | Corveroth | Feh. |
| 06:53.54 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: I went from 1090 xp to 1525, I think I'm good :D |
| 06:54.29 | Arrowmaster | i went from 38xx to 42xx |
| 06:54.58 | Arrowmaster | if somebody gives you a high rating you get a ton of xp from it |
| 06:55.08 | Corveroth | @Semlar: Connect a bunch of dots to make triangles, lines aren't allowed to cross, and avoid having a bunch of lines connected to any one dot. |
| 06:55.12 | Arrowmaster | its only 25xp if they dont give a rating i think |
| 06:55.14 | Corveroth | Basically. |
| 06:56.11 | Semlar | and the wikipedia article on delaunay triangulation wasn't helpful |
| 06:57.10 | Corveroth | Hahaha, I narrowed in on that one like first thing. |
| 06:57.35 | Corveroth | I guess that concept is all kinds of useful, but nothing about it says it'll be all to helpful to me. |
| 06:57.50 | Corveroth | It's probably a decent approximation, at least. |
| 06:58.13 | Semlar | did you look through the "see also" links |
| 06:58.27 | Corveroth | Yup. Like I said, I did my wiki research =) |
| 07:02.23 | karl_w_w | you can't post comments on world of addons |
| 07:02.30 | karl_w_w | because the captcha is not working |
| 07:06.27 | ccox | oooh, Cairenn has a cornucopia! (so says the floating skull) |
| 07:06.40 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 07:07.22 | Cairenn | tries to figure out what ccox is talking about |
| 07:07.33 | ccox | one of Zarhym's tweets |
| 07:08.43 | karl_w_w | ah you can comment, you just need to hit preview first to get the captcha image to show |
| 07:09.22 | karl_w_w | http://worldofaddons.com/wow/combustion#comment-58166 good enough? |
| 07:10.06 | ccox | I'm guessing 2 days before that comment is deleted |
| 07:10.19 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 07:10.27 | Cairenn | oh, they've allowed comments back on? I'm surprised |
| 07:11.23 | Cairenn | also, karl_w_w, where's the love? :( |
| 07:11.53 | Semlar | at curse apparently |
| 07:12.07 | karl_w_w | I'm sorry Cairenn I'm too lazy to maintain on 2 sites |
| 07:12.14 | Cairenn | :p |
| 07:12.22 | bluspacecow | oooooo cornucopia sounds kinky |
| 07:12.24 | bluspacecow | corn porn |
| 07:13.00 | Semlar | has someone been tampering with your oxygen supply |
| 07:13.48 | bluspacecow | *checks dialysis machine* |
| 07:13.50 | bluspacecow | crap. |
| 07:13.54 | bluspacecow | *dies* |
| 07:14.25 | Semlar | are your kidneys failing too!? |
| 07:14.43 | Cairenn | Semlar: very possibly :( |
| 07:14.48 | bluspacecow | *flails on floor like a fish* |
| 07:14.54 | bluspacecow | kidding of course guys |
| 07:15.16 | Semlar | flops around helplessly |
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| 07:36.37 | Ackis | well I'm finally rank 7 in the brawlers guild |
| 07:37.16 | karl_w_w | i got there 2 days ago |
| 07:37.24 | karl_w_w | only took 5 days-ish |
| 07:38.05 | Ackis | took me 13 days |
| 07:38.46 | Ackis | offspec ftl :( ironically I killed the mureraffe in my mainspec (disc) |
| 07:39.09 | karl_w_w | i killed him first go i dont know why people have issues tbh :P |
| 07:39.21 | karl_w_w | ranged ppl i mean, i can see why it sucks for melee |
| 07:40.07 | karl_w_w | the first one in rank 7, the engineering guys with the rockets, was absolute murder for me |
| 07:40.12 | karl_w_w | (mage) |
| 07:40.20 | Ackis | I'm not going to try them for a while |
| 07:40.36 | karl_w_w | but i got it eventually. the one after is just soul-crushing |
| 07:40.46 | karl_w_w | i think i might actually just not bother going back now |
| 07:40.59 | karl_w_w | the engineering one are ideal for healers ackis |
| 07:41.23 | karl_w_w | all u have to do is keep yourself alive and let the rockets do the damage for you |
| 07:41.55 | Ackis | so I should destroy the shield generators and stand on top of the gnomes? |
| 07:42.22 | karl_w_w | when he teleports to a shield just stand on that generator and the rocket will kill it |
| 07:42.27 | karl_w_w | stand on top of Bo the whole time |
| 07:43.01 | karl_w_w | run around him so the rockets hit him and not you, then all you have to do is heal through his death ray which should be pretty easy |
| 07:50.16 | Fisker | hey Ackis |
| 07:50.19 | Fisker | and hey karl_w_w |
| 07:50.23 | Fisker | i got there ??? years ago |
| 07:50.27 | Fisker | only took a few hours |
| 07:50.42 | Fisker | does it upset you? |
| 07:50.45 | karl_w_w | hey Fisker, I wish I could be more like you |
| 07:50.57 | Fisker | understandable |
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| 07:57.09 | Primero | I've been trying to download Prat using CC and it fails. Then I go to curse.com and try downloading the zip, and it always stalls at 97%. Can someone look into that, please? |
| 07:57.47 | Primero | I'm updating my laptop as the video card on my desktop died |
| 07:58.32 | karl_w_w | it downloads fine for me |
| 08:00.22 | Primero | I have plenty of disk space... |
| 08:00.38 | Primero | CC updated 30some other addons just fine |
| 08:01.18 | Primero | but Prat 3.0.5 (release) simply will not download |
| 08:02.02 | AcidWeb | You maybe use avast and windows 8? |
| 08:02.30 | Primero | I don't even know what avast is |
| 08:04.11 | Primero | I meant 3.5.3 btw |
| 08:07.03 | Primero | tries Chrome... |
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| 08:12.20 | Primero | stalls with chrome too |
| 08:13.27 | Primero | I can download other addons from curse's site just fine |
| 08:15.32 | bluspacecow | and the wowace.com site ? |
| 08:16.21 | Primero | didn't think to try |
| 08:16.47 | bluspacecow | click "project site" on the curse page for that addon |
| 08:16.50 | Primero | project is curseforge |
| 08:16.53 | Primero | trying |
| 08:17.03 | bluspacecow | http://www.wowace.com/addons/prat-3-0/ |
| 08:17.26 | bluspacecow | redirects to that site |
| 08:17.32 | Primero | er I was on a another addon's page |
| 08:18.11 | Primero | yeah, that works fine |
| 08:23.38 | Fisker | hey bluspacecowery bluspacecow |
| 08:24.21 | bluspacecow | fiskery fisker |
| 08:24.29 | bluspacecow | what's your boggle today fishface? |
| 08:24.36 | Shirik | I played LoL today |
| 08:24.50 | bluspacecow | LOL @ playing LoL |
| 08:24.56 | Fisker | fuck you bluspacecow ? |
| 08:24.57 | Shirik | I fear this was a bad choice |
| 08:25.18 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:29.05 | karl_w_w | lol is pretty bad it's true |
| 08:30.09 | bluspacecow | http://darklegacycomics.com/368.html |
| 08:30.11 | bluspacecow | lol |
| 08:32.35 | AcidWeb | So true. |
| 08:34.49 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 08:43.53 | Cairenn | hah! |
| 08:56.21 | zenzio | I wish I had friends who would understand this t-shirt... http://www.topatoco.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=TO&Product_Code=QC-YOLO&Category_Code=QC |
| 08:56.53 | karl_w_w | there's only one thing that annoys me about my phone, the keyboard doesnt have a $ sign on it |
| 08:57.24 | Maldivia | zenzio: lol :P |
| 08:57.48 | karl_w_w | so u have to go into the symbols thing, and it's right on the end of a row and u can't go left to get to it u have to go all the way along so it's like 10 keypressed to get a $ |
| 08:58.03 | karl_w_w | presses* |
| 09:00.42 | karl_w_w | zenzio if your friends don't understand that t-shirt, replace them :P |
| 09:01.18 | zenzio | I would, but I'm not social enough. If they were Internet-friends it'd be fine, but they wouldn't see my t-shirts |
| 09:02.40 | Maldivia | webcam? |
| 09:11.32 | Fisker | zomg haste |
| 09:11.35 | Fisker | ZOOOOOOOOMG |
| 09:11.45 | Fisker | nexus 4 is out |
| 09:11.45 | Fisker | mad? |
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| 09:12.47 | karl_w_w | old news Fisker |
| 09:12.55 | Fisker | nope karl_w_w |
| 09:12.57 | Fisker | mad? |
| 09:13.38 | karl_w_w | hard to be mad when Fisker is wrong |
| 09:14.08 | Fisker | not wrong karl_w_w |
| 09:14.08 | Fisker | sry |
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| 09:14.44 | karl_w_w | that's ok no need to be sorry, your wrongness brings me happiness |
| 09:15.14 | Fisker | then you are a very sad person at the moment |
| 09:15.15 | Fisker | sry |
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| 09:20.33 | Rythal | I am willing, to donate my first born child for a Tardis PC case |
| 09:21.17 | Cairenn | lol |
| 09:22.17 | Rythal | it would look great sitting beside the Tardis cat house I promised my kidneys for |
| 09:23.10 | Cairenn | Damn, if I'd known there was a kidney up for grabs, I'd have figured out how to build one for you :p |
| 09:23.16 | nevcairiel | http://www.scan.co.uk/shops/drwho/tardis .. i dont think they accept first borns as payment, though |
| 09:23.46 | Cairenn | rofl, that rocks |
| 09:23.53 | Rythal | yeah I know they sell it... but it's for EU only >< |
| 09:24.03 | Rythal | and massive ripoff in price for the parts in it |
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| 09:24.21 | Maldivia | very cool |
| 09:24.45 | Rythal | http://modcatlove.com/2011/09/12/awesomely-nerdy-tardis-cat-house/ |
| 09:25.28 | nevcairiel | eh if you start calculating just based on the components, you seem to not care about the case :P |
| 09:25.58 | Rythal | true... but I can't see spending $1000 on the case :P |
| 09:26.12 | nevcairiel | they should sell it without components though, maybe just with the optical drive which needs some special fitting into the case |
| 09:26.25 | Cairenn | that's a nice kitty house, Rythal |
| 09:26.38 | Rythal | I dream of owning it someday |
| 09:27.04 | Fisker | why not just sell the case? |
| 09:27.47 | Rythal | Fisker: they want 1500 pounds for it... the parts are barely worth 500 USD nevermind pounds |
| 09:27.57 | Rythal | I just want the case |
| 09:28.01 | nevcairiel | huh its 940 pounds |
| 09:28.14 | nevcairiel | 935.99 to be exact |
| 09:28.46 | Fisker | maybe he thinks it was metric kg and had to convert it into american pounds? |
| 09:29.12 | Rythal | they've changed the parts.. and the price.. when it went up it was only a celeron, dvd drive instead of blu-ray and 4gb ram for 1499 |
| 09:29.25 | nevcairiel | it comes up to around 1500 USD |
| 09:29.30 | nevcairiel | maybe you mis-remember :p |
| 09:29.43 | Rythal | no :P i've been drooling over it all week |
| 09:30.19 | nevcairiel | there is probably thermal concerns, it doesnt seem too well vented, which is why they limit the components |
| 09:30.38 | Fisker | maybe he added a lot of useless shit |
| 09:30.39 | nevcairiel | the two tiny fans in the back will be noisy |
| 09:31.08 | Fisker | Dr. Who TARDIS PC Chassis (£400.00) |
| 09:31.11 | Fisker | see |
| 09:31.14 | Fisker | why not just sell that |
| 09:31.17 | Fisker | jerks |
| 09:32.14 | Rythal | the biggest problem i'd have is fitting 8 hard drives into it some how :/ |
| 09:32.26 | nevcairiel | it probably fits one :P |
| 09:35.35 | Rythal | sadly... all I have to offer is the first born, which doesn't exist.. and they won't take that as payment |
| 09:35.57 | haste | you should try fitting 16 hdd into a chassis... |
| 09:36.15 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 09:36.19 | Fisker | nexus 4 stocked in dk |
| 09:36.21 | haste | hey Fisker |
| 09:36.21 | Fisker | mad? |
| 09:36.23 | haste | nah |
| 09:36.26 | Fisker | oh ok |
| 09:36.32 | Fisker | where did you order yours? |
| 09:37.02 | bluspacecow | *orders a rake mounted fisker* |
| 09:37.13 | Rythal | psh... nexus 4... call me when you live in a real country that has the hidden LTE enabled on it :P |
| 09:37.14 | bluspacecow | best server out there! |
| 09:37.43 | haste | lte doesn't really matter |
| 09:37.46 | Fisker | i'd rather not live in canada Rythal |
| 09:37.56 | Rythal | but it's so awesome here |
| 09:38.02 | nevcairiel | Rythal: around here, the UMTS networks are just good enough that you can enjoy it without LTE, we dont have pure-crap 3G networks like the US :P |
| 09:38.13 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/hyXoI.jpg |
| 09:38.24 | Fisker | got 6(7 with 2.5) disks in that case |
| 09:38.29 | Fisker | the one on the right :o |
| 09:38.40 | Rythal | bah... you damn euro's, I knew there's a reason I'm normally asleep by now.... you don't bait like americans |
| 09:38.46 | Fisker | well the improved latency and therefor decreased battery consumption would be neat nevcairiel |
| 09:39.05 | Fisker | but i wonder why we don't use LTE on AWS-1 |
| 09:39.16 | Fisker | europe is usually smart :( |
| 09:40.01 | Rythal | if bell & rogers are using it here... and no one else across the globe is using it... well, there's gotta be something with it cuz bell & rogers never do anything right |
| 09:48.56 | zenzio | 4G is only very recently being really rolled out here (in Norway), and only in larger areas for now (and only on one provider...), but it seems to be gaining traction |
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| 10:36.13 | karl_w_w | 3 cheers for windows hanging when you quit warcraft 3 |
| 10:39.27 | zenzio | *Windows* hanging? |
| 10:40.15 | zenzio | Planetside 2 is about 75/25 for me now... 75% of the time when I exit, it'll crash with an access violation, 25% of the time the window will close but the process remains, consuming one core |
| 10:40.19 | karl_w_w | yep |
| 10:40.47 | karl_w_w | the ctrl alt del screen was showing, but task manager wouldnt even show |
| 10:52.16 | Neffi | LOL |
| 10:52.20 | Neffi | in a dungeon, I go |
| 10:52.27 | Neffi | "brb a sec. my cat's gonna play" |
| 10:52.34 | Neffi | NPC goes: "We're doomed." |
| 10:52.59 | nevcairiel | the npcs are smart |
| 10:54.40 | chiel | : D |
| 10:55.29 | chiel | i need to find a number that is divisible by 3, 4 and 5 |
| 10:55.35 | chiel | what is the best way to do that? :p |
| 10:56.30 | Neffi | best or easiest? |
| 10:57.14 | Neffi | 3*4*5 |
| 10:57.15 | Neffi | =) |
| 11:00.50 | zenzio | chiel: programmatically or just one number? |
| 11:02.52 | chiel | heh, made a small script since it's actually slightly more difficult |
| 11:03.05 | chiel | basically I am making a combo point/chi/holy power tracker |
| 11:03.11 | zenzio | I see |
| 11:03.14 | chiel | and the middle part of my UI is a fixed width |
| 11:03.22 | chiel | but basically I want to have 1 px in between each thing |
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| 11:03.39 | zenzio | 1 pixel exactly will be difficult |
| 11:03.48 | chiel | well, 1 "unit" |
| 11:03.56 | chiel | anyway, i got results :) |
| 11:04.41 | chiel | 239, 299, etc.. every 60th number from there on is divisible by those three numbers, assuming you reduce the number by the amount of units (cp/chi/hp) minus 1, and then the modulus of the division should be 0 \o/ |
| 11:04.53 | chiel | so, great success :p |
| 11:05.33 | Neffi | yeah i usually work out the math before hand, because you never know when the UI wants to eat a pixel |
| 11:05.45 | Neffi | and all that time spent writing a script to order things programmatically gets wasted |
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| 11:10.19 | zenzio | I usually work out the math first, since I get it too easily wrong otherwise. Then I code it, and go back and work out why my math was wrong, and repeat... cause my concentration seems to tire before my math finishes |
| 11:11.18 | Neffi | I usually say "close enough" and then have trouble finding the damn thing on the screen |
| 11:12.14 | zenzio | hehe |
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| 11:17.24 | cbreak | the wow ui isn't supposed to be pixel correct anyway |
| 11:17.27 | cbreak | it has UI Scale. |
| 11:17.54 | cbreak | so you'll have to calculate back to screen pixels if you want to use actual pixel |
| 11:19.01 | Neffi | not strictly true anymore |
| 11:19.38 | Neffi | they seemed to have changed something, because disabling UI scale effectively gives you proper scale, and things no longer incorrectly alias |
| 11:21.16 | cbreak | yeah, but you can't disable ui scale per addon afaik |
| 11:21.19 | cbreak | just globally |
| 11:21.32 | cbreak | and as addon author, you have to deal with what the user set |
| 11:21.47 | cbreak | as well as with all the weird screen sizes and aspect ratios they have |
| 11:25.09 | chiel | yeah, that's why I don't use UI scale |
| 11:25.12 | chiel | since that messes with that |
| 11:25.21 | chiel | I'd just like to note: this is for me only |
| 11:25.26 | chiel | I'm the only user :p |
| 11:25.33 | chiel | I don't intend to release any of this |
| 11:27.56 | chiel | i like to scale components myself, programmatically, anyway |
| 11:32.26 | Maldivia | hmm - anyone seen the trailer for Pacific Rim ? |
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| 11:34.28 | chiel | yeah |
| 11:34.29 | chiel | looks epic |
| 11:34.45 | chiel | man, i wish i could code wow stuff blindly lol :) |
| 11:35.08 | Maldivia | I was about to say, the world is doomed, considering GLaDOS sounds to be in charge... |
| 11:35.53 | chiel | GLaDOS? |
| 11:36.53 | Fisker | pls |
| 11:39.40 | Maldivia | you don't know who/what GLaDOS is? |
| 11:39.46 | chiel | I do not |
| 11:40.28 | nevcairiel | then your license to leave the house is hereby revoked until you find out |
| 11:41.30 | chiel | oh right, portal |
| 11:42.13 | chiel | man, i have to do raid finder on two characters tonight |
| 11:42.18 | chiel | i wonder if that's even remotely possible |
| 11:42.27 | chiel | i guess maybe if i get lucky and don't get shitty groups... >.< |
| 11:42.42 | nevcairiel | just stop caring about wow |
| 11:42.45 | nevcairiel | like me |
| 11:42.49 | chiel | :) |
| 11:42.55 | chiel | yeah tbh i am not too fussed |
| 11:43.05 | chiel | i got most stuff i need on my main anyway |
| 11:43.13 | chiel | just want the VP :p |
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| 11:43.35 | chiel | been busy leveling a monk this week, so i kinda slacked on lfr |
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| 11:46.33 | Maldivia | hmm... ok, so was watching a few other trailers, and amoung them the teaser trailer for Man of Steel from last summer... what the hell were they thinking when they used the music from LOTR for that teaser!? seriously - it's one of the most memorable pieces of music from the first movie |
| 11:49.33 | Fisker | what are you doing on dailyrush Maldivia ? |
| 11:50.54 | Maldivia | ... |
| 11:52.14 | Kalroth | he's watching trailers of course |
| 11:52.51 | Maldivia | :) |
| 11:54.01 | Kodiack | Maldivia, I noticed that when I first saw the trailer at the local theater. I pointed it out to my friends and they told me to shut up. :( |
| 11:54.11 | Kalroth | nerd! |
| 11:54.53 | Fisker | shut up! |
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| 11:58.36 | Maldivia | Kodiack: of all the pieces of music from the LOTR catelog, they had to go choose the one used when gandalf (the grey) falls, one of the most memorable moments in the movie |
| 12:04.40 | Maldivia | the official trailer is also reusing old scores... they don't have enough faith in Hans Zimmer? |
| 12:09.29 | Maldivia | Fisker: have you noticed the TV schedule for DR2 on the 21st ? |
| 12:09.41 | Fisker | yeah |
| 12:09.44 | Fisker | was pretty funny :D |
| 12:09.56 | Fisker | they also do the "Live from the end of the world" show right? |
| 12:10.02 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 12:10.10 | Fisker | And then after that it's normal scheduling (Unless the world ends) |
| 12:10.27 | Maldivia | yeah something like (cancelled in case of end of the world) |
| 12:10.33 | Fisker | reminds me of the times when DR2 was actually a good channel |
| 12:22.36 | Neffi | God I hope the world ends. Then I won't have to give my damn final presentation. |
| 12:33.50 | Fisker | just call in a bomb threat like we do here |
| 12:39.02 | chiel | hm.. i really should fix my raid frames as well |
| 12:39.14 | chiel | when there's more than 5 groups in the raid, they start spawning diagonally. :D |
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| 12:50.49 | bluspacecow | BBL gym tiems |
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| 13:08.22 | zenzio | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/17/woman-injured-sex-work-trip?CMP=twt_gu -- "Woman injured while having sex on overnight work trip can sue employer. Australian court rules that woman, who was hurt when light fitting fell on her during sex in a motel, is entitled to compensation" |
| 13:09.08 | chiel | what does sex even have to do with it in this case though, i wonder |
| 13:09.25 | chiel | a light fitting fell on her while staying in a motel for work, she can now sue her employer |
| 13:09.33 | chiel | which i imagine would lead to the employer sueing the motel |
| 13:09.46 | chiel | which will then sue the cleaner she was fucking :D |
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| 13:50.25 | mckenziemc | hello peppy |
| 13:51.11 | Lopeppeppy | Bright the day, mckenziemc. |
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| 13:54.04 | karl_w_w | bright the day? |
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| 14:00.46 | alestane | It's still gray and dismal here, but you have have some bright, maybe it'll wend its way here eventually. |
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| 14:02.37 | Lopeppeppy | No, I was wishing it for us all. It's slushing here, and I won't see the sun until January at the earliest. |
| 14:05.39 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 14:07.07 | mckenziemc | i was able to see the stars this morning, then the clouds started moving in again :( |
| 14:07.41 | Lopeppeppy | mckenziemc dear, stars are for nights, not mornings. I think your clock is fuxxored. |
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| 14:29.19 | karl_w_w | or maybe it is mckenziemc who is broken! |
| 14:29.32 | Lopeppeppy | Nev-ar. |
| 14:32.15 | karl_w_w | but he should be able to tell :o |
| 14:32.22 | karl_w_w | if u see stars, it can |
| 14:32.27 | karl_w_w | 't possibly be morning |
| 14:33.30 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe he lives in a well. |
| 14:33.54 | karl_w_w | u can see if there are stars from a well |
| 14:34.15 | Lopeppeppy | Exactly why I said maybe he lives in one, to see stars all day. |
| 14:34.28 | karl_w_w | that makes no sense! |
| 14:34.36 | karl_w_w | is it always night time in a well |
| 14:34.58 | karl_w_w | maybe it's some kind of space-time gravity well |
| 14:35.29 | mckenziemc | 2 AM is my morning |
| 14:35.48 | karl_w_w | see, I told you! it is mckenziemc who is broken |
| 14:36.28 | Lopeppeppy | 2am is indeed morning, with stars. You win the internets. |
| 14:37.26 | karl_w_w | ogodogod peppy is broken too |
| 14:37.34 | karl_w_w | get the mechanics in here |
| 14:44.07 | Lopeppeppy | I AM the mechanics, karl_w_w. Be very afraid. |
| 14:44.16 | karl_w_w | http://i49.tinypic.com/ndpoww.png <- a clean sha kill |
| 14:44.20 | Lopeppeppy | Only another Sprocket can fix me, and they're all asleeping. You're hosed. |
| 14:44.36 | karl_w_w | oh dear |
| 14:44.45 | Fisker | so apparently it took the police more than 24 hours to figure out that the guy behind yesterdays hoax bomb threat at a school actually attended said school |
| 14:44.47 | Fisker | hurr |
| 14:44.49 | Fisker | durr |
| 14:45.09 | nevcairiel | isnt that the first assumption i make? |
| 14:45.18 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, records were paper way back then, Fisker, and are not retained beyond 10 years. They scoured yearbooks. |
| 14:45.20 | nevcairiel | which kid doesnt want to blow his own school up |
| 14:45.25 | karl_w_w | assumption == fact now |
| 14:45.44 | Fisker | the police's findings are assumptions until proven karl_w_w |
| 14:45.44 | Fisker | sry |
| 14:46.08 | karl_w_w | assumption == evidence now |
| 14:46.36 | Fisker | nopw |
| 14:46.39 | Fisker | nope* |
| 14:46.41 | Fisker | sry again |
| 14:49.29 | Humbedooh | was it you, fisker? |
| 14:50.17 | karl_w_w | he's the sort isn't he |
| 14:51.13 | Fisker | i'd do it just to illustrate the point that it's absurd |
| 14:51.31 | Fisker | a bomb threat called in on the day of their exams |
| 14:51.33 | Fisker | gee wiz |
| 14:51.35 | Fisker | i wonder who did that |
| 14:51.38 | Fisker | and what their motive was |
| 14:51.39 | Fisker | hurr |
| 14:51.40 | Fisker | durr |
| 14:52.21 | karl_w_w | they should just phone you up then |
| 14:52.31 | mckenziemc | Plump Turkey has reached Level 4! |
| 14:52.31 | karl_w_w | you can solve all their crimes for them |
| 14:54.03 | Fisker | nah karl_w_w |
| 14:54.50 | Fisker | however I could instead get elected and get the laws changed |
| 14:54.59 | Fisker | make it a law so that the Police cannot respond to dumb requests |
| 14:55.15 | zenzio | that would give them a lot more time for real issues |
| 14:55.20 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 14:56.09 | mckenziemc | like putting together a solid case against Fisker? |
| 14:56.27 | Fisker | i'm behind 7 proxies |
| 14:57.53 | mckenziemc | that's what you think |
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| 15:17.22 | cbreak | OBJECTION! |
| 15:19.41 | Humbedooh | MOTION DENIED! |
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| 15:28.47 | Fisker | can you object the denial of the objection? |
| 15:35.19 | karl_w_w | how many sectors does a hdd have in reserve for remapping? |
| 15:37.02 | nevcairiel | vendor specific, i guess |
| 15:37.07 | cbreak | that's implementation dependent |
| 15:37.15 | cbreak | modern hard disks have much more than old ones |
| 15:37.23 | cbreak | since they rely much more on ECC than the old ones too |
| 15:37.26 | nevcairiel | they also have much more normal sectors |
| 15:37.37 | karl_w_w | :P |
| 15:37.46 | karl_w_w | i think im abt to find out with this hdd |
| 15:37.50 | cbreak | I was thinking in percentages |
| 15:38.02 | cbreak | karl_w_w: you can maybe ask S.M.A.R.T |
| 15:38.04 | cbreak | . |
| 15:38.18 | karl_w_w | that's a good point |
| 15:38.40 | karl_w_w | shoulda thought of that when i was looking at smart before this scan started |
| 15:38.48 | cbreak | note that most values of smart are in vendor specific ranges |
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| 15:46.47 | VIad | got a christmas card in my mailbox |
| 15:48.04 | Kodiack | Why, Merry Christmas then! |
| 15:49.48 | matt1s | I have a challenge. I want to create the most effective way of using my buttons possible, so that I can access as many spells as possible with fewest buttons. I am hoping to only use ALT, CTRL, SHIFT and 1,2,3,4,5. Any suggestions? |
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| 15:56.07 | jnwhiteh | use Clique |
| 15:56.09 | jnwhiteh | bind the spells |
| 15:56.09 | jnwhiteh | win |
| 15:56.10 | VIad | Kodiack: the christmas card was meant to be delivered to the lady above that died half year ago :( |
| 15:56.51 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 15:56.55 | jnwhiteh | hey Fisker |
| 15:57.08 | chiel | matt1s: gl, let me know when you manage that miracle. :D |
| 15:57.10 | Kodiack | Oh, I'm sorry to hear. :( |
| 15:57.48 | chiel | playing a warrior has thoroughly filled up my action bars |
| 15:58.01 | chiel | i can't even find space to fit my healthstone within a reasonable reach of my fingers :/ |
| 15:58.24 | chiel | i move with SDF only (forward move is with mouse) and still i lack enough keys to bind everything... |
| 15:59.10 | jnwhiteh | i keep binding more things to random keys |
| 15:59.12 | jnwhiteh | f is chi wave |
| 15:59.13 | matt1s | chiel: I was able to access 50 spells with only those buttons in WoW once.. |
| 15:59.15 | jnwhiteh | etc. |
| 15:59.27 | chiel | i have everything on f1-f4, 1-6, qwertyagh`zxcv, and cd's on ctrl+1-4q-ra-f |
| 15:59.43 | chiel | matt1s: nice, you must have some lean fingers haha |
| 15:59.58 | chiel | i bound control to the caps lock key instead, so it's easier to reach |
| 16:00.06 | matt1s | chiel: no, I just had a very nice setup that worked in old Discord Action Bars, but it broke with the secure header thing in WoW 3.0 |
| 16:00.24 | chiel | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:00.38 | matt1s | or WoW 2.0, I can't remember. I have been looking for a way of setting it up like that again ever since |
| 16:00.56 | chiel | jnwhiteh: yeah, i use the same binds on each character, i just drag spells around till they are most comfortable |
| 16:00.59 | jnwhiteh | matt1s: download clique. you can bind anything to anything you want |
| 16:01.12 | jnwhiteh | click combinations, key combinations, whatevs. |
| 16:01.14 | chiel | jnwhiteh: but clique is mainly to cast *on* people, no? |
| 16:01.22 | jnwhiteh | thats one of its functions |
| 16:01.31 | Unkle | Just be careful not to make the n00b mistake of binding something to left-click. *facepalm* |
| 16:01.33 | jnwhiteh | I added arbitrary key bindings for WoTLK |
| 16:01.41 | chiel | fair enough, i only ever used clique with grid on my priest |
| 16:01.42 | jnwhiteh | Unkle: can always re-bind target unit to something else |
| 16:01.48 | chiel | ah k, didn't realise you made clique |
| 16:01.56 | jnwhiteh | like I said, I bind 'f' to chi wave on my monk |
| 16:01.57 | chiel | been a while (wotlk or so) since i used it |
| 16:02.03 | jnwhiteh | since i'm always moving around, so its easy for me to hit |
| 16:02.06 | chiel | f with mouseover or something? |
| 16:02.08 | Unkle | jnwhiteh: Yeah, I know... but for the first 15 minutes (when you launched Clique) I was all "WTF???! !one! |
| 16:02.08 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 16:02.09 | jnwhiteh | just 'f' |
| 16:02.29 | chiel | yeah, f is m y strafe right key :D |
| 16:02.33 | jnwhiteh | if you put something in the global bind-set it uses your target |
| 16:02.33 | jnwhiteh | heh |
| 16:02.36 | matt1s | jnwhiteh: hm, cool, I will read what it can do. Thanks! |
| 16:02.38 | chiel | i think i have chi wave on g |
| 16:02.48 | chiel | or chi... something |
| 16:02.49 | jnwhiteh | matt1s: i'm happy to answer any questions |
| 16:02.50 | chiel | i can't remember |
| 16:02.55 | chiel | my monk is only 66 |
| 16:03.03 | jnwhiteh | my brewmaster just hit 64 |
| 16:03.08 | chiel | ah cool |
| 16:03.11 | jnwhiteh | and chi wave ends up doing a LOT of healing and a fair amount of damage |
| 16:03.25 | chiel | yeah, i just can't differentiate anymore haha |
| 16:03.34 | chiel | i play a mistweaver |
| 16:03.48 | jnwhiteh | EU by any chance? |
| 16:03.50 | chiel | yaeh |
| 16:03.55 | chiel | yeah* even |
| 16:04.00 | jnwhiteh | let me grab my battle tag |
| 16:04.03 | jnwhiteh | having a healer would be nice :P |
| 16:04.07 | chiel | haha :) |
| 16:04.11 | chiel | any time |
| 16:04.21 | chiel | i'm not at home though so can't add atm |
| 16:04.37 | jnwhiteh | np |
| 16:05.02 | chiel | planning to get my monk to 90 over the holidays |
| 16:05.04 | jnwhiteh | 2985 |
| 16:05.21 | chiel | jnwhiteh#2985? |
| 16:05.36 | jnwhiteh | aye |
| 16:06.03 | Unkle | Brewmaster is fun. But remember to use Purifying Brew a lot - or you can find yourself taking a big whack of damage at the wrong moment. (No, I've never done that) |
| 16:06.27 | chiel | cool, will add you in the evening |
| 16:06.30 | chiel | i'll email myself :p |
| 16:06.30 | Unkle | battletag spreadsheet! Update it! |
| 16:06.57 | jnwhiteh | Unkle: its on there |
| 16:06.59 | jnwhiteh | has been =) |
| 16:07.00 | chiel | mw monks are kinda fun though, just get 2 stacks of that blackout kick shit up and boom, you can just dps xD |
| 16:07.09 | jnwhiteh | Unkle: don't have purifying yet |
| 16:07.20 | chiel | spam tiger palm or w/e it's called, spam insta heals on tank |
| 16:07.23 | chiel | or well... "spam" |
| 16:07.28 | chiel | takes a bit to get 5 stacks |
| 16:07.30 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 16:07.37 | jnwhiteh | i should try mistweaver sometime |
| 16:07.39 | jnwhiteh | i'm a healer by nature |
| 16:07.41 | Unkle | I was so bad about it, I ended up making an notifier in Weak Auras to remind me. |
| 16:07.43 | jnwhiteh | but i'm enjoying tanking. |
| 16:07.47 | chiel | but to be fair, usually spinning crane kick is enough healing |
| 16:07.48 | jnwhiteh | Unkle: hehe =) |
| 16:08.12 | chiel | i just get the feeling mw monks are a bit op while leveling |
| 16:08.16 | chiel | same with brewmasters though |
| 16:08.19 | jnwhiteh | oh |
| 16:08.22 | Unkle | And with brewmaster, pull 3+ every time. Anything else is a waste. |
| 16:08.24 | jnwhiteh | i can go through at-level dungeons |
| 16:08.27 | jnwhiteh | without a healer |
| 16:08.29 | jnwhiteh | easily |
| 16:08.32 | jnwhiteh | not even someone off-healing |
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| 16:08.45 | jnwhiteh | just me and tom using chi wave and the other heal |
| 16:08.45 | chiel | windwalkers are kinda insane too, can just 2shot mobs of equal level while questing |
| 16:08.53 | chiel | yeah, monks are insane :p |
| 16:08.58 | jnwhiteh | well |
| 16:09.00 | jnwhiteh | they have to level from 1 |
| 16:09.03 | Unkle | that tamps down some at 90. |
| 16:09.03 | jnwhiteh | so i think that's part of the deal =) |
| 16:09.32 | chiel | yeah no doubt |
| 16:09.39 | Unkle | When I started doing heroics, healers kept complaining that monk's were too squishy. |
| 16:09.41 | chiel | with the constant xp boost all the time it's pretty insane |
| 16:09.54 | chiel | hmm |
| 16:09.54 | Unkle | er monks. no ' |
| 16:10.16 | chiel | i heard the same, though i am a tank on my warrior |
| 16:10.22 | chiel | so don't have much experience with monk tanks |
| 16:11.45 | Unkle | I've tanked through Mogu'shan Vaults on mine. Heroics and raiding at 90 were a bit rough considering how easy leveling had been. I had to pay much closer attention that I ever did with a paladin or DK tank. |
| 16:12.20 | Unkle | Also, Love the Black Ox statue. I mean, get right up on it and give it a good seeing to. It will make your life so much better. |
| 16:15.58 | chiel | i have no idea what those bloody statues actually do, haha |
| 16:16.43 | chiel | the mw one does something in the way of duplicating healing |
| 16:16.47 | chiel | beyond that, i've no clue |
| 16:17.15 | Unkle | When you have it up as a tank, it applies Guard to members of your party/raid that are nearby. |
| 16:17.23 | Arrowmaster | valve let warz on steam :( |
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| 16:18.12 | chiel | right, Guard is some kinda absorb shield right? |
| 16:18.18 | Unkle | Yes. |
| 16:18.24 | Unkle | VERY important. |
| 16:18.35 | chiel | yeah, it's your active mitigation ability, i imagine |
| 16:18.45 | chiel | same as warriors having shield block + barrier |
| 16:19.42 | jnwhiteh | guard is a massively strong PW:S |
| 16:19.44 | jnwhiteh | <3 it |
| 16:19.59 | karl_w_w | yeah this hdd is totally hosed anyway |
| 16:21.24 | karl_w_w | sellers who can't categorise on ebay properly should be murdered in their sleep |
| 16:22.27 | chiel | what's the cd on guard? is it basically what you keep up at all times? |
| 16:22.28 | Unkle | murders karl_w_w in his sleep, using a giant, radioactive wombat. |
| 16:22.39 | Unkle | It's liek 6 or 7 seconds. |
| 16:22.48 | Unkle | And costs 2 Chi. |
| 16:22.50 | chiel | yeah same as shield barrier then i guess |
| 16:23.08 | Unkle | But ... the one the statue applies to people costs you nothing, Jon Snow. |
| 16:23.18 | chiel | :) |
| 16:23.44 | chiel | shield barrier costs 20-60 ragr |
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| 16:23.48 | chiel | rage* |
| 16:23.54 | chiel | the more it consumes, the more it absorbs |
| 16:24.11 | chiel | i try to save 60 rage on elegon for a full absorb of celestial breath |
| 16:24.18 | chiel | sadly my guild is shit and can't down him :D |
| 16:27.01 | Zootfizzle | Yay for snow in Oregon! |
| 16:28.20 | Shirik | yay! |
| 16:28.31 | Shirik | Except I currently am running on a spare tire |
| 16:28.50 | Shirik | I intended to get my tire repaired today, but now I'm sure all the people are going to be like OMG I NEED TO BUY TRACTIONT IRES |
| 16:28.56 | Shirik | meaning I'll be stuck there for like 4 hours |
| 16:29.16 | Zootfizzle | Just avoid hills Shirik |
| 16:29.36 | Zootfizzle | Dodge any obstacles taller than a gnome |
| 16:29.53 | Shirik | Well I need to get it replaced before Saturday, since I have to drive to the airport (about 60 miles) on Saturday, and I've already put a good 50 miles on it |
| 16:34.27 | Unkle | Zooty Are you saying it's OK to run right over gnomes? |
| 16:35.29 | karl_w_w | now i understand ppl wanna sell used stuff on ebay, that's all fine and good, but you expect a bit more than "I've test it! In very good condition." as the entire item description |
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| 16:39.24 | Arrowmaster | karl_w_w: sounds like you are buying from a russian |
| 16:39.35 | VIad | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wC5g9M5FAq4 |
| 16:41.15 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: did you get your avatar prop yet or are they sending that out when the event is over? |
| 16:41.26 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: avatar shirt* |
| 17:04.40 | jnwhiteh | a new round of ingress portals has just been put up |
| 17:09.48 | karl_w_w | i cant help but think "imbred" |
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| 17:13.37 | karl_w_w | VIad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEAKsaQOCpQ |
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| 17:15.01 | VIad | antoine ^^ |
| 17:18.21 | chiel | i want to go home and code on my addon! |
| 17:18.22 | chiel | : < |
| 17:18.38 | karl_w_w | u wanna code all over it? |
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| 17:20.18 | jnwhiteh | i'm so tired |
| 17:20.21 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 17:21.56 | chiel | sleep? :D |
| 17:22.38 | mckenziemc | "Kulfara: Now that i'm leaving we're probably gonna lose it..." Kulfara has assaulted the lumber mill! Lonornmo has assaulted the stables! |
| 17:22.42 | mckenziemc | leaving ST* |
| 17:23.43 | Thunder_Child | "mckenziemc has assaulted my brain!" |
| 17:24.12 | Torhal|work | jnwhiteh: Tired? Start on your next book! :) |
| 17:25.23 | jnwhiteh | Torhal|work: my thesis is my next book |
| 17:25.29 | jnwhiteh | i hates it precious |
| 17:26.01 | Lopeppeppy | Burn it in Mt. Doom? |
| 17:26.12 | jnwhiteh | that would prevent me from actually receiving my PhD |
| 17:26.18 | jnwhiteh | so I suspect that's not the right direction to head =) |
| 17:26.25 | foxlit | what are we writing about? |
| 17:26.32 | jnwhiteh | in my thesis? |
| 17:26.43 | foxlit | of course :) |
| 17:26.45 | jnwhiteh | the application of CSP style concurrency principles in constructing software |
| 17:27.03 | Humbedooh | boooring |
| 17:27.05 | Humbedooh | :) |
| 17:27.11 | jnwhiteh | Humbedooh: that's a synonym for 'PhD' |
| 17:27.17 | Humbedooh | I know ;\ |
| 17:27.57 | Humbedooh | I shall be equally boring come february |
| 17:28.05 | Humbedooh | gonna be talking HRM to a bunch of programmers... |
| 17:28.15 | Humbedooh | and a bit of lua :3 |
| 17:28.30 | jnwhiteh | heh |
| 17:28.55 | foxlit | application of principles sounds suspiciously like writing code. Or at least the general idea of writing code. |
| 17:29.14 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: well, CSP is a formal model, its beyond non-practical unless you're writing programs in Occam |
| 17:29.15 | Humbedooh | sounds mathy |
| 17:29.28 | jnwhiteh | but yes, its about writing code |
| 17:29.45 | Humbedooh | you better start learning how to code then ;) |
| 17:29.54 | jnwhiteh | that part is all done |
| 17:30.04 | mckenziemc | heh |
| 17:30.05 | Humbedooh | pics or it didn't happen ;o |
| 17:30.11 | jnwhiteh | i can send you 117 pages |
| 17:30.16 | jnwhiteh | or the two published papers |
| 17:30.17 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 17:30.19 | matt1s | I have used Dominos to split up my bars into 6 slot bars. I have three bars visible at once. Is it possible to page three bars at the same time with one keybinding? |
| 17:30.32 | Humbedooh | jnwhiteh: that sounds even more boring ;( |
| 17:30.42 | jnwhiteh | its a PhD =) |
| 17:30.46 | Humbedooh | loses interest in jnwhiteh for the time being |
| 17:31.16 | Humbedooh | I'ma gonna go do something wild... :\ like...database handling for lua :( |
| 17:31.20 | foxlit | Meh, should be possible to write about implementing the concepts in some form of a nice library for a modern language |
| 17:31.29 | Humbedooh | and then I'm gonna get slammed for sloppy coding which is the best part =) |
| 17:31.35 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: you can't do these things with a library really |
| 17:31.37 | jnwhiteh | that's part of the point |
| 17:31.47 | jnwhiteh | there has to be language and type system support to really make it work |
| 17:32.08 | jnwhiteh | Go happens to have this, so I've used it to build several systems using the restrictive model of CSP style concurrency |
| 17:32.20 | jnwhiteh | it certainly makes you view the world in a different way =) |
| 17:32.31 | Humbedooh | "how to make cool stuff that has no practical application - by jnwiteh" |
| 17:32.52 | jnwhiteh | yeah, that's not a thing |
| 17:32.52 | foxlit | jnwhiteh: I have a relatively broad view of what constitutes a library :) |
| 17:33.07 | jnwhiteh | there is an incredible amount of practical Go code |
| 17:33.14 | jnwhiteh | using exactly what I'm talking about =) |
| 17:33.23 | Humbedooh | but...it's Go :\ |
| 17:33.24 | foxlit | But I've only had cursory experience with CSP, so I'm really not sure where the edge of scientific interest in that field is. Have fun :) |
| 17:33.27 | jnwhiteh | Humbedooh: and? |
| 17:34.02 | Humbedooh | jnwhiteh: I'm too lazy and self absorbed to learn Go :( |
| 17:34.24 | jnwhiteh | no need to, I did it for you =) |
| 17:34.42 | Humbedooh | you learned Go for me? ;o |
| 17:34.47 | Humbedooh | how thoughtful of you <3 |
| 17:34.55 | Humbedooh | goes to use his newfound skills |
| 17:35.03 | Humbedooh | fails :( |
| 17:38.12 | Humbedooh | jnwhiteh: we have a new rule in dkdkdk about scientists |
| 17:38.21 | Humbedooh | if they can't explain what they do, they don't get paid =) |
| 17:38.25 | jnwhiteh | k |
| 17:38.31 | jnwhiteh | so? |
| 17:38.56 | jnwhiteh | or rather, are you simply trying to convey information or are you implying that I have not satisfied this burden? |
| 17:39.23 | Humbedooh | jnwhiteh: I did not say that, I merely mentioned something related to the world of science |
| 17:39.37 | Humbedooh | I thought the rule to be fun and ridiculous |
| 17:39.56 | foxlit | And you're sure that this exists? |
| 17:39.57 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 17:40.16 | Humbedooh | I wouldn't presume to know what CSP is before I've extensively googled it |
| 17:40.25 | Humbedooh | ..but then I'd probably still ask you :\ |
| 17:40.30 | jnwhiteh | I have a good chapter on it |
| 17:40.31 | jnwhiteh | you should read it |
| 17:40.33 | jnwhiteh | its short |
| 17:40.40 | jnwhiteh | then tell me if you dont understand it |
| 17:40.43 | Humbedooh | can you tell me what it stands for? ;> |
| 17:40.48 | Humbedooh | mebe that'll help |
| 17:41.29 | foxlit | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communicating_sequential_processes |
| 17:41.32 | Humbedooh | foxlit: it existed at my old university, got some researchers all....well, annoyed |
| 17:43.18 | Humbedooh | jnwhiteh: I see, seems interesting somehow, albeit probably not fully understoof by just looking at wikipedia - but still, interesting |
| 17:43.28 | jnwhiteh | ignore the toc/biblio |
| 17:43.31 | jnwhiteh | i was too lazy to remove them |
| 17:43.38 | jnwhiteh | and you can quit whenever you ge tbored |
| 17:45.21 | jnwhiteh | Humbedooh: ignore the stunning lack of editing :P |
| 17:45.46 | Humbedooh | skips straight to the hello world example first :D |
| 17:46.51 | jnwhiteh | there isn't one |
| 17:47.02 | Humbedooh | yeah, just realized that :\ |
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| 17:47.16 | jnwhiteh | i mean this is really dry |
| 17:47.18 | jnwhiteh | and boring |
| 17:47.24 | jnwhiteh | but that's what its supposed to be :P |
| 17:48.05 | Humbedooh | pfft, I should show you my paper on tacit asset transfer management in mergers and acquisitions :p |
| 17:48.20 | Humbedooh | if I can ever find it again :( it's somewhere on some server, I know that much |
| 17:48.35 | foxlit | but CSP is pretty old. What's the new and exciting part? :) |
| 17:48.45 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: an actual application of the principles |
| 17:48.48 | Lopeppeppy | The only interesting parts of any long paper are the intro, conclusions, and the bibliography. |
| 17:48.52 | jnwhiteh | a 'rediscovery' if you will, that's actually being used |
| 17:48.58 | Humbedooh | Lopeppeppy: mine had drama in it! |
| 17:49.04 | Humbedooh | actual drama! |
| 17:49.16 | alestane | The rest of it is just there if for some reason you don't believe those bits. |
| 17:49.29 | alestane | You weren't an MFA, were you, Humbedooh? |
| 17:49.45 | jnwhiteh | alestane: its a bit tough to draw the line when your main evidence is in case studies |
| 17:49.53 | Humbedooh | no, I'm not FA, I'm BA :> |
| 17:50.10 | Humbedooh | but there were some heated interviews conducted! |
| 17:50.27 | Humbedooh | spoiler: it's not a good idea to merge two companies who hate eachothers guts |
| 17:51.11 | Thunder_Child | it is if you want to destroy both compaines |
| 17:52.28 | foxlit | its interesting that companies can hate anything :) |
| 17:53.16 | Humbedooh | though it did have some aspects of 'fine arts', as it delved into a long discussion of what constitutes 'culture' |
| 17:53.25 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:54.21 | Humbedooh | it's not the legal entity no, it's the cultural entity that hates the other cultural entity |
| 17:54.29 | alestane | They can't exactly hate, but they can have antipathy. |
| 17:55.11 | Humbedooh | alestane: well, they did actual assaults on eachother, so I'd say it was hate :3 but that's a matter of definition I suppose |
| 17:55.34 | alestane | Because they're not entirely ficticious, they have cultures and the people who make them up invest themselves in those cultures. |
| 17:55.42 | Unkle | Yeah, no corporation actually wants - at a cellular level - to skull fuck another one to death. You have to build that sort of hate by internal propaganda. |
| 17:55.46 | alestane | sp* |
| 17:59.04 | Humbedooh | Unkle: they weren't trying to kill eachother no |
| 17:59.41 | Humbedooh | at least not literally |
| 18:13.17 | pompy | feel sorry for those vacationers earlier if they felt this http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/pr12353002#summary |
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| 18:22.19 | pompy | Cairenn|afk: http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_t3#/video/us/2012/12/12/dnt-cat-rescued-after-week-in-tree.wrtv aww |
| 18:25.18 | pompy | gg http://money.cnn.com/2012/12/18/technology/social/instagram-sell-photos/index.html?hpt=hp_t3 |
| 18:27.57 | Humbedooh | http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/daily_dawwwwwwwww.jpg :3 |
| 18:43.16 | VIad | salesman wanted to sell me product to reduce chance of fire |
| 18:43.57 | VIad | I mean, sure you want to avoid stuff like theft and fire by putting on alarms and such, but then again you gotta pay each month for a thing that may or may not happen, ehm, |
| 18:44.19 | VIad | anyone here pays for anti theft or fire services, what's your oppinion? |
| 18:45.19 | Humbedooh | I live on the top floor of my building - not a high chance of a thief bothering to go all the way up here to steal stuff =) |
| 18:46.42 | Humbedooh | my brother on the other hand did the more paranoid thing and installed a cannon proof door at his place :3 |
| 18:46.50 | VIad | what about fire? I myself are not so paranoid |
| 18:47.04 | VIad | I mean I just try to reduce the risk by doing what I can at home |
| 18:47.16 | VIad | without having to get a fire alarm company to monitor my alarms and such |
| 18:47.19 | Humbedooh | not a big chance of a fire unless you like playing with fire yourself :) |
| 18:47.28 | ZorbaTHut | I pay taxes, part of which are spent on firefighters and police officers. I consider that to be sufficient theft and fire protection :V |
| 18:47.33 | Humbedooh | matches, candles, smoking in bed - don't do that |
| 18:47.38 | VIad | I don't |
| 18:47.40 | cbreak | VIad: we have insurance |
| 18:47.50 | cbreak | and we have mandatory payment to fire fighting |
| 18:48.02 | VIad | yeah, the guy was selling a product to avoid fire from spreading if it happens :P |
| 18:48.04 | cbreak | well, semi-mandatory |
| 18:48.11 | VIad | i.e. alarms goes off and fire department arrives asap |
| 18:48.14 | cbreak | fire extinguishers? |
| 18:48.18 | cbreak | those are mandatory here too |
| 18:48.21 | VIad | jupp |
| 18:48.57 | VIad | and if there is an electrical fault in the system then insurance should cover it since it's not something I did myself. when I leave the house I turn off all switches :P |
| 18:49.17 | VIad | over ten years and no fire so far |
| 18:50.10 | ccox | http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/pigeon-stands-tall-raiders-chiefs-play-around-140137033--nfl.html |
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| 18:50.49 | karl_w_w | i like that cnn story because "breaking news, cat rescued from tree!" |
| 18:51.02 | karl_w_w | it's like they couldn't find real news |
| 18:52.20 | VIad | I don't like it when sellers try to sell me things by force :( using logic is force too |
| 18:52.39 | VIad | I mean sure I'd want to be as safe as possible but it would cost me a fortune and it's not a life worth living either :P |
| 18:53.36 | Humbedooh | just do the math |
| 18:54.03 | Humbedooh | risk of fire times damage caused >= what you should pay for fire insurance |
| 18:54.17 | VIad | we don't got too expensive stuff tbh |
| 18:54.18 | cbreak | I wouldn't buy any of that stuff without hours of information-gathering |
| 18:54.33 | foxlit | risk of fire damage is like impossible to compute |
| 18:54.44 | foxlit | extent of fire damage is similarly hard |
| 18:54.54 | cbreak | I bet it's higher in some american wood instant-cheapo-building |
| 18:55.06 | cbreak | compared to some brick + stone house in some cold region in the north |
| 18:55.17 | cbreak | just because of the building materials |
| 18:55.29 | cbreak | and the environment temperature |
| 18:55.36 | foxlit | I guess you could take the number of fires and divide that by the number of house |
| 18:55.37 | foxlit | s |
| 18:55.40 | cbreak | and the fact that huge fires are more common in some regions |
| 18:55.44 | VIad | if I just consider the stuff in the apartment, I guess you can renovate it back to how it was before a theoretical fire for 40k usd I'd guess |
| 18:56.19 | cbreak | I read an article about some american family that didn't want to pay fire fighting taxes |
| 18:56.20 | Humbedooh | vlad: so, if one in 40k houses have a fire every year, you should pay $1 per year :P |
| 18:56.36 | cbreak | so when they had a fire, the firefighters came, rescued the people, and then watched as the house burned down |
| 18:57.17 | pompy | http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/s480x480/399270_527260523965334_535634910_n.jpg |
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| 19:18.24 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: I assume they'd send it out when the event is over... I haven't gotten my level up stuff either |
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| 19:21.31 | Ackis | Cairenn|afk: http://i.imgur.com/k7hsD.jpg |
| 19:22.33 | karl_w_w | haha |
| 19:23.24 | Unkle | Canadians have conducted a successful breeding program whereby they've bred a politeness trait into their population and they relentlessly cull throwbacks. :P |
| 19:23.41 | Unkle | By making them move to Quebec. |
| 19:25.17 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: i got my level up stuff yesterday, was just a custom dash theme |
| 19:25.21 | Ackis | so the EB Games where my wife works has started selling tablets. When I was in there today I set the alarms on them to all go off at the same time |
| 19:25.27 | karl_w_w | Unkle: oh the barbarity! |
| 19:25.52 | karl_w_w | that's awesome Ackis |
| 19:25.57 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: you know we can tell her it was you |
| 19:26.27 | karl_w_w | implying she didnt notice him go to every single one of them |
| 19:26.51 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: they went off while I was still in the store and my laughing gave me away already :P |
| 19:28.14 | Cairenn|afk | Ackis: heh |
| 19:28.27 | Torhal|work | Ackis has to be the most un-Canadian Canadian I know. |
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| 19:29.13 | Ackis | Torhal|work: oh? |
| 19:29.27 | Torhal|work | Ackis: Total douchebag. |
| 19:29.27 | Torhal|work | :D |
| 19:29.31 | Ackis | :P |
| 19:29.50 | Ackis | you see my fix for arl last night? I did that while stoned out of my mind on sleeping pills |
| 19:29.52 | Cairenn|afk | pompy: awwww |
| 19:32.06 | Torhal|work | Ackis: I did not. |
| 19:32.22 | Ackis | you should look at it, and be proud of me! |
| 19:32.27 | Torhal|work | Aside from the three or four AddOns I updated last week I haven't touched any of my projects in well over a month. |
| 19:33.09 | pompy | :\ |
| 19:33.29 | Ackis | are you planning on updating pet theory btw? Or just going to let it die? |
| 19:35.01 | Torhal|work | Ackis: I should probably update it but I have no idea what's wrong with it. Only thing I could tell from the quick glance is that it no longer properly shows the names of pets you DON'T own. |
| 19:35.16 | Torhal|work | They're all named whatever the last pet in the list is. |
| 19:38.06 | Stanzilla | Torhal|work: what are you working on atm? |
| 19:38.11 | Stanzilla | (at curse) |
| 19:38.54 | Torhal|work | Stanzilla: Stuffages. |
| 19:39.04 | Stanzilla | say what |
| 19:39.04 | Ackis | Stanzilla: he's learning basic so he can rewrite the website in it |
| 19:39.10 | Torhal|work | Line BASIC. |
| 19:39.39 | Torhal|work | 10 PRINT "ACKIS IS A NOOB" |
| 19:39.42 | Torhal|work | 20 GOTO 10 |
| 19:39.50 | Seerah | hehehe |
| 19:40.02 | Ackis | pfft |
| 19:40.28 | Ackis | talking about basic made me remember my coding class of assembly code |
| 19:40.51 | pompy | mov ebx, ecx |
| 19:41.17 | Ackis | I don't remember that shit now |
| 19:41.22 | pompy | registers! |
| 19:42.38 | Torhal|work | You don't even have to deal with that shit in C anymore - compiler handles it. |
| 19:42.46 | Torhal|work | register int foo = 23; |
| 19:42.57 | Ackis | I remember writing a self-replicating program |
| 19:43.06 | pompy | reported |
| 19:44.37 | karl_w_w | when i was in very little person school we had this computer program where we sort of coded the movement of something, and it would move on the screen, very simple. then a robot irl could be given the same instructions. anyone know what that might be? |
| 19:46.22 | karl_w_w | this one thing is pretty much solely responsible for my interest in coding |
| 19:47.08 | ajmitch | probably logo |
| 19:47.44 | pompy | http://www.robotshop.com/gorobotics/how-to-make-a-robot interseting lol |
| 19:48.05 | ajmitch | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logo_(programming_language) seems like what you described |
| 19:48.41 | Torhal|work | Aaaaah, Logo running on CP/M |
| 19:50.02 | karl_w_w | yeah, thanks ajmitch :D |
| 19:59.58 | SuperPortia_ | Apparently the spell name of mounts isn't necessarily the same as the name (NPC) of the mount. |
| 20:00.12 | Stanzilla | correct |
| 20:01.12 | SuperPortia_ | And I'm assuming that there is no way to get the name of an NPC from its ID in game. |
| 20:01.14 | SuperPortia_ | Is that correct? |
| 20:02.38 | Arrowmaster | you sorta can with some tooltip trickery |
| 20:03.07 | Arrowmaster | look at how _npcscan works |
| 20:03.15 | SuperPortia_ | ok |
| 20:03.29 | SuperPortia_ | Setting the tooltip and then getting its text? |
| 20:03.55 | karl_w_w | mounts aren't npcs they're just buffs |
| 20:04.05 | SuperPortia_ | Apparently they're both |
| 20:04.51 | SuperPortia_ | http://www.wowhead.com/npc=31717 |
| 20:05.02 | Arrowmaster | i though it depended on the mount, if it was a standard mount or it was a vehicle because it could carry multiple people |
| 20:05.31 | SuperPortia_ | A mount is an NPC, a spell, and possibly sourced from an item. |
| 20:05.34 | alestane | Bizarre and fascinating experiment (and video): http://news.backyardbrains.com/2012/08/insane-in-the-chromatophores/ |
| 20:05.41 | SuperPortia_ | The official mount name comes from the NPC |
| 20:06.11 | alestane | I don't know whether any cephalopods were harned in the making of the video. |
| 20:06.31 | karl_w_w | why do u need to know the name anyway? |
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| 20:08.09 | SuperPortia_ | For display purposes for mounts you don't have. |
| 20:13.39 | Benalish | (Is vading euei:) (Away From Keyboard) |
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| 21:00.54 | rtharper | mikma: I am assuming these are Finns http://i.imgur.com/w7edO.jpg |
| 21:01.51 | SuperPortia_ | Decent chance of it. |
| 21:02.01 | SuperPortia_ | Something in that general area of the world. |
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| 21:05.02 | mikma | rtharper: correct |
| 21:05.26 | mikma | rtharper: there's the video around somewhere |
| 21:05.29 | rtharper | SuperPortia_: area of the world? You won't find a Swede doing that ;) |
| 21:05.44 | SuperPortia_ | What about Iceland? |
| 21:05.47 | rtharper | nah |
| 21:05.52 | nevcairiel | we actually did similar things after the sauna, assuming we had snow available |
| 21:05.53 | rtharper | Probs not |
| 21:06.00 | rtharper | they don't do much sauna in Iceland |
| 21:06.11 | rtharper | they tend to do geothermal bathing |
| 21:06.27 | mikma | rtharper: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxcgmfaunD8 |
| 21:06.31 | nevcairiel | my father worked for a finnish company for a while, somehow he got the sauna idea in his head, so now they have one in their house |
| 21:07.26 | alestane | Actually, quick question for the Scandinavian speakers. Is the letter J always pronounced as a 'y' sound? |
| 21:07.32 | rtharper | yes |
| 21:07.34 | rtharper | jes* |
| 21:07.55 | alestane | So, "Jeg" is pronounced "Yeg" |
| 21:07.58 | rtharper | umm |
| 21:07.59 | rtharper | no |
| 21:08.01 | mikma | i wouldn't know :P |
| 21:08.10 | alestane | From the American phonological perspective. |
| 21:08.13 | rtharper | depends on language/dialect |
| 21:08.14 | rtharper | yeah I know |
| 21:08.23 | rtharper | the g is usually silent and the vowel usually different |
| 21:08.43 | alestane | So, it's not that simple. |
| 21:08.47 | rtharper | no |
| 21:08.48 | alestane | It rarely is. |
| 21:09.06 | rtharper | spelling is usually quite regular the pronouns are the exception |
| 21:09.08 | rtharper | and Danish |
| 21:09.19 | rtharper | is impossible to figure out pronounciation from spelling |
| 21:09.27 | alestane | From what I understand, Danish is in the middle of a vowel shift. |
| 21:09.30 | rtharper | Danish children acquire full literacy later than most language speaks |
| 21:09.31 | rtharper | yes |
| 21:09.32 | rtharper | well |
| 21:09.43 | rtharper | "vowel collapse" might be a better word |
| 21:10.58 | rtharper | It is one of the mean features that makes Danish incomprehensible |
| 21:10.59 | SuperPortia_ | What about Aland? Are the people there ice fanatics like the Fins? |
| 21:11.01 | rtharper | just ask Humbedooh |
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| 21:11.23 | rtharper | I dunno, I've only ever met one finlandssvensk and we didn't discuss the matter, heh |
| 21:14.24 | Sintacks | anyone have an iPhone 5 |
| 21:15.09 | Thunder_Child | lots of people do |
| 21:15.48 | mikma | also, Yay, my dualcore android 4.1 mini pc arrived today |
| 21:15.52 | Sintacks | I meant in here. |
| 21:16.07 | mikma | and boo, it has only 1 usb port. so, go go gadget usb hub |
| 21:16.53 | mikma | rtharper: http://foreca.fi/Finland/Tampere |
| 21:17.29 | rtharper | wow that is cold |
| 21:17.32 | rtharper | only gonna be -6 here then |
| 21:17.53 | mikma | rtharper: no, http://foreca.com/Russia/Oymyakon |
| 21:19.02 | rtharper | hooooly shit |
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| 21:19.20 | nevcairiel | its cold in siberia, tell us something new :P |
| 21:19.32 | mikma | nevcairiel: your nipples are pointy |
| 21:19.32 | rtharper | but it's VERY cold |
| 21:27.59 | Semlar | www.weather.com/weather/right-now/28.538335,-81.379237 |
| 21:28.02 | Mr_Rabies | i love CRZ but they really need to fix the 3-5 second frame-lag between zones :| |
| 21:29.07 | nevcairiel | i never had such bad lag, a short spike during transition, but thats maybe half a second |
| 21:29.57 | Semlar | you might have an addon calculating a bunch of stuff when you zone |
| 21:30.31 | SuperPortia_ | http://www.weather.com/weather/right-now/Raleigh+NC+27613 |
| 21:30.37 | Mr_Rabies | i very well could, but it started with crz, it's basically right as all the doodads and npcs load |
| 21:31.08 | Semlar | it doesn't happen when you zone into an instance? |
| 21:31.48 | Semlar | longer than normal loading screens |
| 21:32.18 | Mr_Rabies | well, instances have loading screens so it's harder to tell |
| 21:32.49 | Semlar | what about crossing into a zone that isn't crz |
| 21:33.59 | Maldivia | rtharper: is Danish really that bad? |
| 21:34.20 | Humbedooh | danish is a horrible language to learn |
| 21:34.30 | Humbedooh | you don't know when words begin and end |
| 21:34.54 | Humbedooh | but at least it's not as ugly as dutch ;3 |
| 21:34.58 | Maldivia | well, that's because it's just one long word, seperated by the need for air |
| 21:35.08 | Humbedooh | (although a lot of US people seem to think that Danes speak Dutch ;/ ) |
| 21:37.40 | Semlar | i thought they just barked |
| 21:37.54 | Semlar | oh no i'm thinking of something else |
| 21:43.45 | Mr_Rabies | semlar: it's seamless |
| 21:43.59 | Mr_Rabies | no lag whatsoever between zones in say, pandaria |
| 21:44.18 | Semlar | how's your latency |
| 21:44.58 | Mr_Rabies | usually about 30-70 |
| 21:45.38 | Mr_Rabies | it's definitely like the game pauses like it's loading and then resumes after a couple seconds when going betwen CRZ zones |
| 21:45.56 | Semlar | you might try running a tool like hd tune to check your hard drive speed |
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| 21:46.18 | Mr_Rabies | it's within a normal range |
| 21:46.31 | Mr_Rabies | it's no SSD, but it's fairly fast |
| 21:46.38 | Semlar | what kind of processor do you have |
| 21:46.41 | Mr_Rabies | 7200 rpm, very little fragmentation |
| 21:46.54 | Mr_Rabies | i7...forget the model but it's 4 cores with hyperthreading |
| 21:46.56 | Semlar | ye well their health can decline |
| 21:47.17 | Semlar | so not a processing issue |
| 21:47.17 | Mr_Rabies | the drive's pretty new, and i do hardware testing on it from time-to-time |
| 21:47.57 | Semlar | if it's not the network or the hard drive and doesn't happen when zoning normally i'm not sure what it could be |
| 21:48.19 | Mr_Rabies | it's just the game moving everything from one server to another |
| 21:48.31 | Mr_Rabies | i'm far from alone in seeing it |
| 21:48.33 | Semlar | well it's not happening to everyone else |
| 21:49.05 | Mr_Rabies | it's happening to a lot of people, i'll try next time i'm in a CRZ area with addons disabled |
| 21:49.18 | Mr_Rabies | there's no way everyone has the same seamless zones as they did before |
| 21:49.37 | nevcairiel | its not perfectly seamless, but also not as bad as you describe |
| 21:49.53 | nevcairiel | but yeah, crz transition fires quite a bunch of events, some addons might go all out crazy |
| 21:50.02 | Semlar | are you actually locking up or just waiting for the new people and objects to appear |
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| 21:50.32 | Unkle | there's a small hiccup when I cross zones, and some delay before NPCs show in some areas, but it's still pretty amazing. |
| 21:50.41 | Mr_Rabies | actually frame locking for a good 2-3 seconds, semlar |
| 21:50.50 | Semlar | that really sounds like an addon to me |
| 21:51.31 | Mr_Rabies | could definitely be |
| 21:51.34 | Mr_Rabies | i run a freakin' ton |
| 21:51.42 | Semlar | especially one like routes or gatherer that would calculate a bunch of nodes |
| 21:52.01 | Mr_Rabies | it only does it with CRZ zones though |
| 21:52.11 | Mr_Rabies | pandaria's 100% seamless like it was prior to CRZ |
| 21:52.21 | Semlar | well, it may be that crz zones are firing the same events multiple times and it's just reacting to that |
| 21:52.29 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, could be |
| 21:52.32 | Semlar | i don't know what kind of throttling they have |
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| 21:52.47 | Mr_Rabies | they just need to fix whatever causes all of that, there really should be no hangup whatsoever between zones |
| 21:53.00 | Semlar | very easy to check if it's an addon |
| 21:53.09 | Semlar | just go disable them all and see |
| 21:53.24 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i'm gonna run out to stormwind and see |
| 21:54.38 | Mr_Rabies | i really wish wow was properly multi-threaded :( |
| 21:54.46 | Mr_Rabies | all my addons really kill my framerate |
| 21:55.27 | Semlar | that's kind of impressive |
| 21:55.42 | Mr_Rabies | i get a pretty solid 60 fps in town without addons |
| 21:55.49 | Mr_Rabies | usually more like ~15 fps with them all on |
| 21:55.51 | Mr_Rabies | in town |
| 21:55.57 | Mr_Rabies | it's closer to 60 in the world, in instances, etc |
| 21:55.59 | Semlar | that should probably not be happening |
| 21:56.27 | Semlar | an addon would have to be doing a ton of shit to lower your frame rate that much |
| 21:56.54 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, it's a lot shorter of a hang between zones |
| 21:56.54 | nevcairiel | if you just run a lot of them, it adds up |
| 21:56.59 | Mr_Rabies | with addons off |
| 21:57.10 | nevcairiel | apparently all the added UI textures also cut a bit into performance |
| 21:57.12 | Mr_Rabies | still, there is a half-second hang that shouldn't be there |
| 21:57.43 | Semlar | i was absolutely not affected at all when i zoned between CRZ and regular zones |
| 21:58.04 | Semlar | the only thing is that units wouldn't show up until a second or two |
| 21:58.04 | Mr_Rabies | almost everyone else i've talked to says otherwise |
| 21:58.15 | Semlar | like literally zero impact on my client itself |
| 21:58.20 | nevcairiel | the only "effect" i notice feels like a temporary frame rate drop, and npcs seem to vanish briefly |
| 21:58.39 | nevcairiel | but you only see that drop if you actually look at some otherwise fluid motion |
| 21:58.40 | Semlar | and my computer is 4-5 years old |
| 21:58.43 | Mr_Rabies | it's really minor, but it should be nonexistant |
| 21:59.10 | Mr_Rabies | with my addons on, it's like a 10 second frame-hit |
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| 21:59.31 | nevcairiel | with enough addons on, you can kill the game in any situation |
| 21:59.39 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 21:59.45 | Mr_Rabies | damned single-threading :| |
| 21:59.59 | Semlar | i think there's some dev addon that'll let you know the resource usage of your addons |
| 22:00.10 | Semlar | i would check that |
| 22:00.22 | nevcairiel | the way the whole addon system is designed, this single-threading actually benefits us greatly :P |
| 22:00.32 | nevcairiel | if you dont look at the performance thing |
| 22:00.49 | nevcairiel | if it would run async from the game world, it would open several cans of worms |
| 22:01.19 | Mr_Rabies | single threading is more simple, yeah, but it's really limiting performance |
| 22:01.43 | nevcairiel | maybe you should just cut down on the addons :) |
| 22:01.55 | Semlar | just the ones that are horribly written |
| 22:01.57 | nevcairiel | 60->15 just through addons sounds like really a lot |
| 22:02.07 | Semlar | it could even be one addon |
| 22:03.24 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/sTAAm.jpg spellview is the least efficient addon i've ever written |
| 22:04.09 | Torhal|work | WTF is SpellView? Jeebus. |
| 22:04.13 | Humbedooh | 13254ms? :\ |
| 22:04.24 | Semlar | yeah that made it really hard to raid |
| 22:04.42 | Humbedooh | Torhal|work: you can be sure it's not something I made |
| 22:04.49 | Humbedooh | 'cause then it'd be LibSpellView! |
| 22:04.55 | nevcairiel | constant fixed memory usage really isn't bad, that thing doesnt tell us if its constantly increasing =p |
| 22:05.09 | Torhal|work | nevcairiel: I'm well aware, just curious WTF it could be to use that much. |
| 22:05.26 | Torhal|work | I mean, I can understand Recount because it stores insane amounts of data... |
| 22:05.30 | Semlar | it was uh.. this http://i.imgur.com/5bAcq.jpg |
| 22:05.39 | nevcairiel | from the description, storing boat loads of spell information |
| 22:05.49 | Semlar | for this addon http://i.imgur.com/cdiYt.jpg |
| 22:06.03 | Semlar | sorry i don't have any real screenshots of it in action |
| 22:07.15 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/kDmnQ.jpg this was part of it, it showed you what you were fighting and scanned the spell tooltips for key words and warned you about cleaves and stuns and things |
| 22:07.41 | Semlar | it's not something i ever uploaded anywhere |
| 22:08.03 | Semlar | actually that version didn't scan the tooltips for keywords i guess, it had all the spell database information inside it |
| 22:38.25 | Arrowmaster | http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/151z5j/male_redditors_what_hints_have_girls_given_you/c7ijew7 |
| 22:47.45 | g0urra | http://www.theatlanticwire.com/technology/2012/12/facebook-autoplay-video-ads/60129/ |
| 22:47.48 | g0urra | dafuq |
| 22:49.23 | Semlar | adblock is about to get a lot more popular |
| 22:50.50 | bleeter | Here's one for the gamers.... The Glitch - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Q2P4LjuVA8 |
| 22:54.41 | foxlit | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showpost.php?p=270845&postcount=4 << oh hey, we're benchmarking things to the number of bytecode instructions now! |
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| 22:56.22 | Semlar | they have to make up for my sloppy coding |
| 22:56.45 | Shadowed | to be fair |
| 22:57.10 | Shadowed | SDPhantom has already perpetuated very factually false information |
| 22:57.37 | Shadowed | so I would just consider it to be ignorance rather than something people will start doing |
| 22:58.07 | foxlit | The Recent Threads list never fails to kill my faith in humanity. |
| 22:59.01 | Shadowed | I'm not actually sure what the point of what SDPhantom's thing is doing? |
| 22:59.08 | Arrowmaster | i had forgotten lua had a repeat/until |
| 22:59.10 | Shadowed | as far as I know, all Blizzard APIs return numbers |
| 22:59.10 | Semlar | i don't know either |
| 22:59.19 | Semlar | why would you need to reformat a formatted number |
| 22:59.29 | Shadowed | I don't think it's possible to get a non-integer currency value from the API |
| 22:59.33 | Arrowmaster | probably because one of the first things i learned in college was to never use repeat/until structures |
| 22:59.45 | Shadowed | I've always hated repeat/until because it's ugly and unclear |
| 22:59.51 | foxlit | repeat/until is cool, though! |
| 22:59.59 | Shadowed | why would you put your condition to loop at the bottom where nobody can see it |
| 23:00.12 | Semlar | i don't mind a do until loop but i never have the opportunity to use them |
| 23:00.45 | foxlit | repeat until it makes sense, Shadowed :) |
| 23:01.00 | Shadowed | I could kick you until it didn't! |
| 23:01.04 | foxlit | (and that was probably a horrible pun) |
| 23:02.58 | foxlit | I found a use case: imagine you're validating that a set of variables is sane. If you find that it isn't, you modify it, and repeat the validation |
| 23:03.40 | foxlit | while/for/break are somewhat ugly in that case. |
| 23:04.47 | bleeter | that's the one :) |
| 23:05.06 | Shadowed | I actually prefer it cause it's explicit that you're either going to run it up to X times for sanity, or that it's going to run until it's correct |
| 23:05.12 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:05.28 | Torhal|work | foxlit: I read his response to me and simply assumed he has something against tostring() and tonumber() |
| 23:05.50 | Shadowed | that's what I thought initially |
| 23:05.54 | Shadowed | but uh |
| 23:06.04 | Shadowed | I don't know of a Blizzard API that returns a string currency? |
| 23:06.07 | *** join/#wowuidev Adys (~adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 23:06.15 | foxlit | the post mentioned GetCoinTextureString |
| 23:06.34 | Shadowed | isn't taht the one that turns a currency into an already formatted string of currencies? |
| 23:06.57 | Arrowmaster | my first CS class taught me that if you have a situation you would want to use a repeat/until loop for dont, instead put whatever you want to put in the loop before the loop and in it and make it a function if its big enough |
| 23:07.44 | foxlit | Shadowed: yes. It might not be formatted how he wants, but I don't know. |
| 23:07.56 | foxlit | There seems to be a trend of writing code for people. |
| 23:07.59 | Shadowed | it sounds like either he's doing something dumb, or SDPhantom is doing something dumb |
| 23:08.03 | Adys | Thunder_Child: get off my kickstarter |
| 23:08.03 | Torhal|work | I didn't actually read his code. Just the response, whereupon I closed that tab and shook my head. |
| 23:08.04 | Adys | its creepy |
| 23:08.15 | Thunder_Child | Adys: I'm on quite a few |
| 23:08.19 | foxlit | One of Phanx's posts was basically "Oh hey I rewrote your addon. No need to thank me." |
| 23:08.24 | Torhal|work | But the opcode comments is hilarious. |
| 23:08.52 | Torhal|work | foxlit: Phanx usually won't do that but considering the person she did it for, it was warranted in that case. |
| 23:09.17 | Torhal|work | "Either I just do this right or he'll blunder on for months and I won't get rid of this" |
| 23:09.25 | Thunder_Child | Adys: when you say 'mine' you mean.... |
| 23:09.33 | Adys | MIIIIIIINNNNNNNEEEEEEE |
| 23:09.55 | karl_w_w | craft |
| 23:10.12 | foxlit | Torhal|work: I'm not sure I see the need to get rid of anything :) |
| 23:10.12 | Thunder_Child | more specific Adys |
| 23:10.20 | Adys | the one you just commented on |
| 23:10.21 | Adys | sc |
| 23:10.28 | Thunder_Child | yes i know what you mean there |
| 23:10.37 | Thunder_Child | I mean, you started that project? |
| 23:11.01 | Torhal|work | Heh. |
| 23:11.44 | Fisker | for shame Thunder_Child |
| 23:11.45 | Fisker | FOR SHAME |
| 23:12.09 | Thunder_Child | noms Fisker |
| 23:12.16 | Fisker | you backed a Peter Molyneux project |
| 23:12.20 | Fisker | we'll just let that settle in |
| 23:12.52 | Torhal|work | stuffs Fisker into Fable V. |
| 23:13.14 | foxlit | http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/aaronstanton/the-game-of-books-a-discovery-game-for-libraries-a << this got funded. Hurray? |
| 23:13.53 | Thunder_Child | the name sucks, but it's a good cause. |
| 23:14.15 | foxlit | Seems like a fun concept, anyhow |
| 23:15.27 | Fisker | yeah |
| 23:19.12 | Thunder_Child | Stop linking imgur pic's damit |
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| 23:29.59 | *** join/#wowuidev Ressy (~Ressy@unaffiliated/ressy) |
| 23:44.50 | Fisker | don't pledge money to con artists Thunder_Child |
| 23:46.39 | Thunder_Child | Fisker: why not? |
| 23:48.05 | Fisker | because then some day you see them driving their new audi or whatever |
| 23:48.21 | Fisker | instead of what you asked for |
| 23:48.52 | Thunder_Child | But what if i asked them to drive a new audi? |
| 23:49.16 | Fisker | then they are not con artists |
| 23:49.28 | Fisker | or they didn't con you |
| 23:57.00 | karl_w_w | what if he asked them to drive a stake into Fisker's heart but they drove a new audi instead? |
| 23:58.46 | g0urra | that's ok with me |
