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| 03:53.32 | karl_w_w | first world problems |
| 03:54.12 | karl_w_w | that's an upper tier first world problem, considering most countries don't even have a hulu equivalent |
| 03:55.43 | Arrowmaster | dont feel bad, hulu is fucking terrible |
| 03:56.14 | karl_w_w | so why are you trying to use it? :P |
| 03:56.26 | Arrowmaster | pass time while dexter downloads |
| 03:56.36 | Arrowmaster | since its taking fucking forever |
| 03:57.10 | kd3 | hey huntsville people - I'm moving there in a few weeks. anyone have suggestions for apartments? |
| 03:57.28 | Adys | yeah |
| 03:57.33 | Adys | and none of them are in huntsville |
| 03:57.38 | Adys | that should tell you something. |
| 03:57.56 | Adys | afk sleep. |
| 03:57.57 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 03:59.08 | Arrowmaster | kd3: you working for curse too? |
| 03:59.32 | kd3 | neg. though I'd jump ship if they offered |
| 04:00.05 | kd3 | more like I need to get the hell out of atlanta and contract work for a few months is reason enough to move |
| 04:00.43 | pompy | but Target doesn't want you to leave! |
| 04:00.46 | karl_w_w | what's wrong with atlanta? |
| 04:01.10 | kd3 | I've been here entirely too long and I want a change and target isn't really a career path |
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| 04:04.59 | SuperPortia | Anyone know of a way to get spell restrictions? E.g. a spell requires tailoring 300 or some such? |
| 04:05.36 | SuperPortia | Either out-of-game or reliably from wowhead/wowdb/others |
| 04:06.47 | kd3 | http://www.wowdb.com/spells/125482-darkglow-embroidery |
| 04:06.57 | kd3 | for instance - look at the quick info box on the right |
| 04:07.23 | SuperPortia | Is there a way to get that in json or xml? |
| 04:07.50 | kd3 | I don't remember the api access for wowdb off the top of my head, but yeah |
| 04:07.57 | SuperPortia | Also is there a way to get the name of a profession from an ID? |
| 04:08.09 | SuperPortia | I guess there's a spell for each profession |
| 04:08.15 | pompy | !api getprofession |
| 04:08.15 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'getprofession': GetProfessionInfo, GetProfessions |
| 04:08.22 | pompy | !api getprofessioninfo |
| 04:08.23 | lua_bot | GetProfessionInfo: Returns details on a profession from its index including name, icon, and skill level (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetProfessionInfo) |
| 04:09.01 | SuperPortia | Unfortunately that only provides information about professions you ahve. |
| 04:09.02 | SuperPortia | have. |
| 04:09.37 | oscarucb | there is nothing in game to go directly from a spellid to the tradeskill or rank requirement |
| 04:10.07 | oscarucb | strictly speaking those are associated with the trainer or item used to learn the spell, not the spell itself |
| 04:10.18 | SuperPortia | http://www.wowhead.com/spell=2259 ? |
| 04:11.13 | SuperPortia | My hope is that I would just need the spell id for each profession's base level to get the name using GetSpellInfo |
| 04:11.46 | SuperPortia | They seem to be localized in wowhead. |
| 04:12.08 | oscarucb | yea you can go from the spellid of the profession to the name with GetSpellInfo |
| 04:12.37 | SuperPortia | It's just that they all happened to be named the same thing as the profession. |
| 04:12.59 | SuperPortia | If they change the name of the spell to Learn Alchemy, then it won't work. |
| 04:13.08 | oscarucb | there are exceptions like Herbalism |
| 04:13.36 | SuperPortia | If that's the only one I'm ok. |
| 04:13.51 | SuperPortia | I only need the names of tradeskills that can produce mounts. |
| 04:13.55 | oscarucb | thats the only one in enUS, not sure about other locales |
| 04:14.22 | SuperPortia | I think I'll wait until someone tells me it's wrong before worrying too much about it. |
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| 04:24.40 | tomgg | What's the frame called that pops up under a player's unit portrait after casting a War Banner? |
| 04:31.07 | pompy | if you can perform that, do a /fstack and hover your mouse over it |
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| 05:06.45 | Neffi | alo mr cow |
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| 05:46.54 | bluspacecow | O_O |
| 05:47.08 | Corveroth | o.0 |
| 05:47.08 | bluspacecow | a website that doesn't have have a search function. for a magazine website. |
| 05:47.18 | Corveroth | Maximum usability! |
| 05:47.20 | bluspacecow | how …. backwards in this day and age |
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| 05:50.16 | Arrowmaster | fuck that was a good season of dexter |
| 05:54.36 | bluspacecow | that slightly creeped out feeling when you notice part of a newspaper lying on your floor for a week has a headline that has something something breathing down yourfirstname's neck |
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| 05:55.37 | bluspacecow | i was like "that's my name in that headline!" then i saw the breathing down the neck part and went O_O |
| 05:59.30 | bluspacecow | hmmmmm |
| 05:59.59 | bluspacecow | when viewing the history of a wowpedia aricle and looking at times… what time zone are those listed as ? |
| 06:00.40 | SuperPortia | Possibly UTC |
| 06:00.47 | SuperPortia | What times are you seeing? |
| 06:00.50 | kd3 | if you're not logged in, utc |
| 06:00.55 | bluspacecow | derp |
| 06:00.58 | bluspacecow | forgot to login |
| 06:00.59 | kd3 | if you're logged in, whatever time you have set in special:preferences |
| 06:02.52 | Shirik | for the first time today, I changed a tire |
| 06:02.56 | Shirik | I feel like I am a real man now |
| 06:03.01 | bluspacecow | hmmm |
| 06:03.06 | bluspacecow | ~dict tire |
| 06:03.10 | bluspacecow | ~dict tyre |
| 06:03.31 | bluspacecow | oh right you mean tyre amirite |
| 06:03.40 | Shirik | not exactly |
| 06:03.44 | kd3 | wait, how old are you? |
| 06:03.47 | Shirik | 25 |
| 06:03.49 | bluspacecow | <-------------- |
| 06:03.53 | kd3 | >.> |
| 06:03.59 | bluspacecow | born in '77 |
| 06:04.25 | Shirik | what's the >.> for |
| 06:04.25 | kd3 | not you, blu. though I'm surprised, I thought you were around my age (I'm 27) |
| 06:04.34 | bluspacecow | lol differences in regional spelling. |
| 06:04.38 | kd3 | remembers getting dragged out to change tires before he was 10 |
| 06:04.43 | Shirik | lol |
| 06:04.54 | Shirik | I almost didn't change this one |
| 06:04.55 | bluspacecow | heh |
| 06:05.00 | Shirik | I just didn't feel like waiting an hour for onstar to come out |
| 06:05.04 | Shirik | because I was kinda in the middle of nowhere |
| 06:05.13 | bluspacecow | my dad wouldn't let me near changing the tires to his vehicle when I was 10 |
| 06:06.00 | kd3 | eh. I developed a healthy fear and respect of vehicle jacks from one of my uncles (intentionally, I was told years later) nearly having a car drop on him |
| 06:06.08 | Mr_Rabies | we learned in boy scouts, but messing with car jacks always scares the crap out of me |
| 06:06.13 | Mr_Rabies | ^ |
| 06:08.07 | bluspacecow | for my dad that age was right around the time when he was technically disqualified from driving. so each time he drove me places it would be *throw me and my bags or w/e shit in car driver around stealthy like* |
| 06:09.01 | bluspacecow | as in watching out for police cars and drive in disguise including speeding down some sections of roads to escape detection. this was back in the days before they had good radar detection and stuff. |
| 06:09.48 | Mr_Rabies | i speed pretty much everywhere |
| 06:09.59 | Mr_Rabies | i'm generally a likable person except when i'm driving |
| 06:10.08 | Mr_Rabies | i hate driving, so i want to get to where i'm going asap |
| 06:10.30 | bluspacecow | actually looking back on it now that was probably highly suspect. didn't really disguise his car or number rego the dumb ass :O |
| 06:10.35 | Mr_Rabies | and people slowing me down really pisses me off, especially when they're holding up a lot of people |
| 06:11.04 | Mr_Rabies | like, i don't mind if a large truck or bus or whatever is going slow on a 2 lane road |
| 06:11.12 | Mr_Rabies | or someone hauling something |
| 06:11.51 | Mr_Rabies | and i don't mind people going as slow as they please on a 4 lane as long as they're not obstructing traffic in the passing lane |
| 06:12.34 | bluspacecow | mhmmm |
| 06:12.48 | bluspacecow | which country we talking here Mr_Rabies ? |
| 06:12.50 | Mr_Rabies | but i've got a little road rage |
| 06:12.55 | Mr_Rabies | US, bluspacecow |
| 06:13.01 | bluspacecow | interesting |
| 06:13.24 | bluspacecow | Do you guys have anything similar to : http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/roadcode/ |
| 06:13.42 | Dagmar | bluspacecow: Obscured plates *attract* attention actually. |
| 06:13.46 | Mr_Rabies | each state has its own laws, and there are federal ones too |
| 06:13.53 | bluspacecow | ah I see |
| 06:14.01 | Dagmar | I've probably accumulated a year's worth of driving on expired tags in the last 12. |
| 06:14.09 | Mr_Rabies | but in most states it's illegal to obstruct traffic in the left lane |
| 06:14.13 | Mr_Rabies | though here it's not enforced at all |
| 06:14.15 | bluspacecow | so what's lawful shady in what state may not be the same in another in terms of driving ? |
| 06:14.16 | Dagmar | The key is to be totally casual and avoid main roads. |
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| 06:14.23 | karl_w_w | follow me, don't follow me, I've got my spine, I've got my orange crush |
| 06:14.32 | Mr_Rabies | yep, bluspacecow |
| 06:14.35 | bluspacecow | like I can driver over a state border and something that's disallowed / in a grey area could be OK in the next state ? |
| 06:14.40 | Mr_Rabies | yep |
| 06:14.43 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 06:14.52 | bluspacecow | NZ's so small |
| 06:14.58 | Mr_Rabies | for example, some states still have no open container laws |
| 06:15.04 | bluspacecow | our entire country can fit into one large lake in africa. |
| 06:15.08 | Mr_Rabies | so you can have an open beer in the car somewhere and be fine |
| 06:15.08 | Dagmar | In TN if you are doing more than 10mph below the speed limit and don't have a red triangle on the back, the driver behind can actually signal and require you to pull over and let them pass |
| 06:15.22 | Mr_Rabies | but if you cross the state line and get pulled over, you can get charged with a DUI/DWI |
| 06:15.53 | Dagmar | We also forbid all U-turns, but on the flip side, you can turn right at a red light after stopping if there's no one else |
| 06:16.02 | Mr_Rabies | Dagmar: i've never actually seen anyone look behind them here :| |
| 06:16.03 | Dagmar | Some states allow left turn on red. |
| 06:16.16 | Mr_Rabies | ours has left on red on one-way streets |
| 06:16.25 | Mr_Rabies | within the atlanta city limits, i believe |
| 06:16.34 | Dagmar | that's okay I've never seen anyone doing 10mph below the speed limit here unless they were drunk. |
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| 06:16.41 | Mr_Rabies | but we have u-turns, and right on red |
| 06:16.54 | bluspacecow | meh |
| 06:16.56 | Mr_Rabies | lol, i live in the country, so everyone drives really slow |
| 06:17.03 | Mr_Rabies | i once got stuck behind a bike on a 55mph highway |
| 06:17.12 | bluspacecow | our road code while technically a list of laws / guidelines for safe driving ….. |
| 06:17.17 | karl_w_w | here some people do 70 kph on freeways |
| 06:17.18 | Mr_Rabies | i was livid |
| 06:17.21 | bluspacecow | nobody really follows |
| 06:17.22 | karl_w_w | where the limit is 100 |
| 06:17.24 | karl_w_w | makes u rage |
| 06:17.26 | Dagmar | Dude, when I was in college I used to go through a very, very rural area to get there. Twisty roads like you see on commercials when they're showing off a car's handling. |
| 06:17.36 | Dagmar | Fuckers would do 80mph in pickup trucks on them. |
| 06:17.59 | Mr_Rabies | that guy on the bike turned onto the 65mph highway afterwards, lol |
| 06:18.07 | bluspacecow | its like you're meant to know it completely when sitting your license. but a recent survey indicated that around 73% of NZ drivers would fail their license with today's stricter road code. |
| 06:18.41 | Mr_Rabies | i usually go 15 over if conditions are safe |
| 06:18.51 | Mr_Rabies | 10-15 |
| 06:18.55 | Mr_Rabies | try not to actually go 15 |
| 06:18.59 | Mr_Rabies | because that ticket's expensive |
| 06:19.04 | Mr_Rabies | about $200 :x |
| 06:19.47 | Mr_Rabies | for 80 in a 65 |
| 06:20.01 | Mr_Rabies | 85 in a 65 is $400, i think |
| 06:21.04 | Mr_Rabies | we have this super speeder law, that's like, 20 over on a highway and 15 over on a 2 lane will add ~200 to the ticket |
| 06:21.25 | Dagmar | Yeah, >20mph over will get you a reckless driving charge added on here, too |
| 06:21.39 | Mr_Rabies | i've passed a cop going 60 in a 30 |
| 06:21.44 | Mr_Rabies | i have no idea why i didn't get pulled over |
| 06:22.03 | Mr_Rabies | i guess hick cops gonna hick cop |
| 06:22.18 | Mr_Rabies | they pretty much take the path of least resistance 100% of the time |
| 06:23.54 | Dagmar | Easier to just let you wreck and then write tickets. |
| 06:24.10 | Dagmar | This is why you don't often see cops going after crazy rice racers. |
| 06:24.18 | Dagmar | They've got a pretty short life-expectancy. |
| 06:24.20 | Arrowmaster | last ticket i got was for 65 in a 35 |
| 06:24.26 | Mr_Rabies | i drive carefully, just fast |
| 06:24.29 | Mr_Rabies | i'm always alert |
| 06:24.32 | Mr_Rabies | i don't even have the radio on |
| 06:24.45 | Mr_Rabies | and i signal for everything, and don't go faster than conditions permit |
| 06:24.49 | Arrowmaster | i didnt get anything except a fine and points added to my license |
| 06:24.57 | Arrowmaster | and the fine wasnt even that much |
| 06:25.04 | Mr_Rabies | i can't have the radio on |
| 06:25.16 | Mr_Rabies | i'll turn on npr sometimes but if it's music i get distracted |
| 06:25.35 | Mr_Rabies | i was in band for too many years in school and now dissect a song by instrument in my head |
| 06:25.44 | Mr_Rabies | which turns out to use a lot of CPU power, apparently |
| 06:26.07 | Mr_Rabies | because i stop signaling and drive like an idiot when i have music on |
| 06:26.43 | Mr_Rabies | that's the thing though Dagmar |
| 06:26.51 | Mr_Rabies | our local police can't even do an accident report |
| 06:26.58 | Mr_Rabies | they lack the proper...something |
| 06:27.08 | Mr_Rabies | and always just stand there and wait on a state patrolman |
| 06:27.14 | Mr_Rabies | which usually takes ~2 hours |
| 06:31.20 | Dagmar | heh |
| 06:32.02 | Dagmar | I've lost an inch on my belt from Ingress |
| 06:37.41 | karl_w_w | did more dps than the rest of my heroic group put together |
| 06:37.44 | karl_w_w | how depressing |
| 06:38.05 | Mr_Rabies | yeah :| |
| 06:38.21 | Mr_Rabies | recently i've been doing 70% of the group's total dps way too often |
| 06:38.53 | karl_w_w | im not even that geared |
| 06:39.07 | karl_w_w | its not like im some hardcore heroic raider |
| 06:41.02 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 06:41.06 | Mr_Rabies | i'm 488 and i do that |
| 06:41.34 | Mr_Rabies | which is reasonably well geared, i guess? but nothing amazing |
| 06:41.45 | karl_w_w | yeah, im 485 |
| 06:42.13 | Arrowmaster | http://i.imgur.com/v8ePe.png |
| 06:43.43 | bluspacecow | kinky. |
| 06:43.56 | karl_w_w | I'd watch that |
| 06:44.39 | Arrowmaster | that was posted on r/dexter |
| 06:44.48 | Arrowmaster | all the replies are basically saying the same thing |
| 06:45.15 | Arrowmaster | i had to upvote them all |
| 06:47.45 | bluspacecow | http://imgur.com/615St |
| 06:47.47 | bluspacecow | lol |
| 06:49.22 | Arrowmaster | yeah thats a good one |
| 06:49.38 | bluspacecow | movie was fun but i didn't really like the ending |
| 06:49.56 | bluspacecow | too dues ex machina omg we run out of money for the script writer lets wrap this up quick |
| 06:51.18 | Mr_Rabies | that's the point though |
| 06:51.22 | Mr_Rabies | it's like dodgeball |
| 06:51.41 | Mr_Rabies | i mean |
| 06:51.52 | Mr_Rabies | dodgeball's deus ex machina literally has DEUS EX MACHINA plastered on it :p |
| 06:52.02 | bluspacecow | felt too oprah winfrey "you all get prizes" ish |
| 06:52.08 | Mr_Rabies | it's one of those kind of movies :p |
| 06:52.46 | Mr_Rabies | http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m63n3eSKya1qlo5e6o1_400.jpg |
| 06:54.14 | Arrowmaster | whats not to love about loougle |
| 06:55.32 | Dagmar | The best part being that probably half of the viewers thought that "Deus Ex Machina" was the name of the company that made it. |
| 06:56.26 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:56.52 | karl_w_w | the translation is do sex machine |
| 06:59.38 | bluspacecow | anyone in wow wanna test a sound for me ? |
| 06:59.44 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:01.01 | karl_w_w | i literally just quit |
| 07:01.08 | Arrowmaster | haha fucking rednecks http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=165_1355648980&p=1 |
| 07:03.12 | karl_w_w | would have been better if both cars exploded and they all died in a raging fireball |
| 07:03.41 | karl_w_w | sorry, spoiler^ |
| 07:05.05 | bluspacecow | that sound and one other refuses to play. despite existing in the MPQ files. now i need to find out which MPQ file it come out of |
| 07:13.42 | karl_w_w | and how does that make you feel? |
| 07:13.58 | karl_w_w | angry and lonely? |
| 07:15.01 | bluspacecow | puzzled. |
| 07:16.26 | bluspacecow | it's frustrating as if the macro version's not playing how many others are like that ? I really don't feel like every macro on there for a possible bug |
| 07:19.08 | bluspacecow | *slaps disclaimer on "all sounds may or may not play , I don't guarantee any of them will"* |
| 07:19.17 | bluspacecow | Fixed! |
| 07:19.44 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/EXa3j.gif |
| 07:19.51 | Neffi | i wish i could see something like this in person |
| 07:19.54 | Neffi | i think i'd die laughing |
| 07:20.00 | Cairenn | rofl |
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| 07:23.38 | Rythal | if your calling a blp file from expansion4.mpq and they replace that file in one of the patch.mpq's ... your code should auto use the new one correct? |
| 07:24.07 | bluspacecow | oh yeah i was going to open my VM box to do some MPQ fiddling. |
| 07:40.30 | Mr_Rabies | tried that bluspacecow, didn't work here either |
| 07:41.22 | Mr_Rabies | i know it's way later than you asked but still :p |
| 07:41.29 | Mr_Rabies | just incase something was wack on your end, i tried it |
| 07:41.58 | bluspacecow | its cool thanks bro |
| 07:42.07 | bluspacecow | enUS locale right ? |
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| 07:58.23 | Rythal | can a non-90 see lion's landing & domination point? |
| 07:58.58 | Neffi | I don't see why not |
| 07:59.33 | Rythal | trying to figure out why blizzard moved 4 map tiles from hawaiimainland into alliancebeachdaily |
| 08:01.08 | Neffi | about to hearth. i'll ask in trade. |
| 08:02.07 | Neffi | They are phased until you do the daily for the first time |
| 08:02.33 | Rythal | blech... so I need to figure some way to know if your phased or not |
| 08:02.49 | Neffi | There's a function that returns all completed quests |
| 08:02.57 | Neffi | find the quest IDs and you're golden |
| 08:03.41 | Neffi | Actually you might be able to check if they have a given reputation or not |
| 08:03.52 | Neffi | since most dailies introduce a new rep to your log |
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| 08:07.31 | Neffi | Ugh. Any image sharers that don't convert PNG to JPG? |
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| 08:17.04 | bluspacecow | >_< FU Windows update! Comes up just as I'm suspending my VM Ware Fusion Windows 7 box "Do you want to restart now to apply windows Updates?" … Bit late now lol |
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| 08:23.15 | bluspacecow | BRB dinner |
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| 08:37.38 | zenzio | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2249069/ -- "Republican congressman says Sandy Hook principal should have had a machine gun so she could 'take his head off before he killed those precious kids'" |
| 08:37.58 | zenzio | sounds like the obvious solution |
| 08:39.52 | mitch0 | next up: "Random School principal goes on a rampage with his machine gun" |
| 08:40.00 | Jammer | was gonna say that :D |
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| 08:48.15 | nevcairiel | handing out more guns surely solves the problem |
| 08:48.33 | nevcairiel | why not give some to the kids as well, can protect themselves |
| 08:49.44 | Kalroth | obviously guns aren't working, we need bigger and stronger weapons |
| 08:50.06 | Kalroth | grenades, mortar launchers, rocket launchers |
| 08:50.45 | nevcairiel | a grenade in every purse by 2015! |
| 08:51.14 | Kalroth | also these shootings are a rather recent thing, yes? it seems to me that it started after teachers stopped hitting kids |
| 08:51.40 | Kalroth | maybe if we started slapping kids in schools again, it wouldn't happend anymore |
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| 08:54.53 | Mr_Rabies | why do i have consistently better experiences in low-level instances than heroics at 90 |
| 08:54.56 | Mr_Rabies | :( |
| 08:55.08 | Mr_Rabies | i actually have fun in them, people actually talk and don't screw around |
| 09:00.28 | zenzio | because only people who want to enjoy the game bother to do instances at low(er) levels |
| 09:00.36 | zenzio | the rest just want to hit 90 and get UBER PHAT LEWTS |
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| 09:37.16 | neutronimity | How can I query with UnitBuff for the 30-sec Sacred Shield rather than the actual 6-sec shield buff with same name? |
| 09:38.20 | Mr_Rabies | can you query for the spell's ID in any way? :o |
| 09:38.59 | neutronimity | I don't think so - wowprogramming gives: UnitBuff("unit", index [, "filter"]) or UnitBuff("unit", "name" [, "rank" [, "filter"]]) |
| 09:40.11 | Neffi | try it |
| 09:40.21 | Neffi | spellids work with almost anything that takes a name interchangably |
| 09:40.39 | Neffi | Also try: "spell:N" |
| 09:40.52 | Neffi | ('spell:%d'):format(spellid) |
| 09:41.21 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.wowhead.com/spell=20925 |
| 09:41.22 | Mr_Rabies | hmmm |
| 09:41.30 | Mr_Rabies | i don't see the 6 second buff's id at all |
| 09:41.32 | Mr_Rabies | weird |
| 09:41.48 | Mr_Rabies | i guess maybe this? |
| 09:41.52 | Mr_Rabies | Apply Aura: ?? (Aura #226) |
| 09:41.57 | zenzio | neutronimity: forum thread on wowprogramming suggests trying UnitBuff(GetSpellInfo(id)) |
| 09:42.17 | zenzio | well, with the unit parameter first, which I forgot |
| 09:42.18 | Neffi | http://www.wowhead.com/spell=65148 |
| 09:43.15 | Mr_Rabies | huh, didn't show up in a search |
| 09:43.22 | Mr_Rabies | i guess wowhead filters uncategorized spells in searches now |
| 09:44.03 | Neffi | somebody usually posts a link in the comments |
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| 09:47.13 | neutronimity | ./dump UnitBuff("player",GetSpellInfo(20925)) returns both 20925 (both buffs present) and 65148 (only absorb buff present) |
| 09:48.01 | neutronimity | I'll look at the spell format thing now |
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| 09:53.36 | neutronimity | ./dump UnitBuff("player","spell:20925") or any variation returns empty result- :/ |
| 09:55.01 | jnwhiteh | you've tried the number |
| 09:55.03 | jnwhiteh | not the string? |
| 09:55.08 | jnwhiteh | why would you add spell:20925? |
| 09:55.10 | jnwhiteh | just 20925 |
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| 09:55.53 | jnwhiteh | it still probably won't work mind you =) |
| 09:55.55 | neutronimity | ./dump UnitBuff("player",20925) empty result also :( |
| 09:56.34 | bluspacecow | haha think i found some research of mine from may over this non playing macro thing |
| 09:57.51 | bluspacecow | both files are in one of the enUS locale MPQ files. I think I found that it's some form of bug somewhere - you can download another locale (i forget which file matchs what locale file) and the sound plays fine from that locale. sound appeared to be the same last time I checked. |
| 09:58.28 | bluspacecow | only way to "fix" it not playing is to upload those sounds which I'm not going to do given I'ld be breaking copyright then |
| 09:58.48 | bluspacecow | "your princess is in another castle" is what I'll put down on the Audio X/ Sound file listings addon pages |
| 09:58.55 | bluspacecow | *nod* |
| 10:00.13 | bluspacecow | i'll have to decode my notes to find out why but the upshot of it it's not fixable by me. the same sound that doesn't play in the enUS locale plays fine when you extract out the file from the MPQ file. I've repaired several tiems as well. |
| 10:01.26 | bluspacecow | the only other option is to sit down and play every single file to see if they play in game and with over 48 000 samples and 6 locales or more to check ….. |
| 10:01.53 | bluspacecow | holy wall of spam batman :# |
| 10:01.55 | bluspacecow | :3 |
| 10:02.04 | Maldivia | neutronimity: can always loop through all buffs and check the spellId return value from UnitBuff? |
| 10:02.37 | neutronimity | Ok that's an idea thanks :) |
| 10:04.01 | Maldivia | neutronimity: I would probably check with the name first, and only loop if it returns somthing and the wrong spellId |
| 10:04.17 | neutronimity | Yeah Sacred Shield, then id |
| 10:05.09 | bluspacecow | *thinks* |
| 10:05.23 | neutronimity | *disturb* |
| 10:05.39 | bluspacecow | nope can't think of any automated way of checking which sounds play - you'd have to check what the ogg plays as then check that same file in game |
| 10:05.47 | bluspacecow | for over 48,000 sound files |
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| 10:40.37 | neutronimity | http://pastebin.com/aCNUPBB2 Does anyone have an idea why this wouldn't trigger in WeakAuras? |
| 10:43.31 | neutronimity | Oops - it does trigger if I change event listener to UNIT_AURA instead of former UNIT_BUFF |
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| 11:24.43 | zenzio | trying to find worthwhile search results for printers can be such a pain... not sure if it's just for this printer |
| 11:29.42 | Maldivia | which printer? |
| 11:30.12 | zenzio | fairly old one... HP Laserjet 4730 MFP (the oldish-style office print/scan/fax/... type) |
| 11:30.51 | zenzio | it manages to scan and send to e-mail, but for Windows it just shows as "offline"; and the built-in web config only barely responds |
| 11:34.28 | Maldivia | sounds odd |
| 11:35.19 | zenzio | it is. Going to just leave it be for now and see if it comes around. If it doesn't, I suppose we'll contact the people we lease it from |
| 11:36.40 | Maldivia | I have a printer at home that's access via wifi - problem is, if the router resets, the printer will completely fuck up, and refuse to reconnect, and it's a realy bitch to get it working again |
| 11:56.54 | bluspacecow | the printer is honey badger |
| 11:56.57 | bluspacecow | it dont care |
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| 13:31.29 | VIad | is the flag "Unique" on items something I can read with tooltipscan only, or is there API? |
| 13:33.19 | karl_w_w | easy way to find out is by checking out the void storage code |
| 13:33.35 | karl_w_w | cos u cant put unique things in there |
| 13:41.27 | Maldivia | VIad: GetItemUniqueness(itemId) |
| 13:41.42 | VIad | didn't work Maldivia:( |
| 13:41.55 | VIad | let me check, karl |
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| 13:42.13 | Maldivia | VIad: what failed? |
| 13:43.08 | Maldivia | ohh, or is that unique-equip only? |
| 13:44.27 | VIad | Maldivia: I think it's unique-equip only |
| 13:45.02 | VIad | get the winter veil disguise kit for the 11th time |
| 13:45.12 | VIad | and noticed that when I loot (with error) my addon counts as if I got the item :P |
| 13:45.20 | VIad | I only securehooked the API hehe |
| 13:45.34 | VIad | in any case, I had to tooltip scan to pickup the "Unique" in the tooltip |
| 13:45.44 | VIad | sec, gonna check Void |
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| 13:47.33 | VIad | seems the C side handles this :P |
| 13:47.42 | VIad | just fires a ui error hehe |
| 13:48.31 | zenzio | morning peppy |
| 13:49.00 | alestane | It sort of has to, Vlad. |
| 13:49.32 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, zenzio. I'm spotify-stalking your musics, thought you should know! |
| 13:49.52 | zenzio | I get yours too =) |
| 13:49.55 | alestane | The UI can't really be in the position of enforcing game rules in and of itself. |
| 13:50.54 | Fisker | hugs zenzio |
| 13:50.56 | zenzio | you know, it just occured to me that a great slogan for a UI site would be "I see what UI did there" |
| 13:51.14 | Fisker | i'm a bomb :( |
| 13:51.25 | zenzio | plz not to be exploding kk? |
| 13:52.02 | Lopeppeppy | Move away from the group, Fisker. that's what you do when you're the bomb. |
| 13:52.17 | Fisker | i explode on hugs zenzio |
| 13:56.24 | VIad | ClickVoidTransferDepositSlot |
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| 14:24.36 | VIad | alestane: yeah, but if an item is unique sounds like should be a flag in GetItemInfo :p |
| 14:24.46 | VIad | or some flag in GetItemUniqueness or something |
| 14:24.57 | VIad | too much dependancy on tip scanning, kind of lame -_- |
| 14:25.04 | alestane | I won't deny that that would be convenient. |
| 14:25.35 | alestane | A lot of systems were designed without any understanding of the role that the UI community would eventually play. |
| 14:26.01 | alestane | THe UI team is pretty good about hearing requests and making the API more conveneint to authors, but it takes time and there's a LOT of work to be done. |
| 14:28.39 | alestane | And it's still not their priority, so any given section of the API tends to get revamped when they decide to work over the section of the UI that depends on it. |
| 14:29.03 | alestane | A lot of work got done on the map API because they were adding multi-level instance maps, for instance. |
| 14:32.56 | VIad | you know when it's a raid group, but you are alone in some remote zone, I think it should then consider you in a party :P |
| 14:33.00 | VIad | quest wise, hehe |
| 14:33.16 | karl_w_w | why |
| 14:33.58 | zenzio | probably because, if people are anything like me, they forget they're in a raid group and wonder why quests don't work |
| 14:34.45 | VIad | or you join a raid and wanna do your dailies while the group builds :P |
| 14:35.11 | VIad | you aren't really getting help by anyone, just being in the raid to show that you are commited to come when the time is right |
| 14:36.15 | VIad | >5 in the same zone too close to each other in yards would make it auto act like raid in the world zones :) |
| 14:36.31 | VIad | just an idea I guess, hehe |
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| 14:36.43 | zenzio | "In 15 seconds, all members of rank 'raider' or higher will be invited to the raid. Leave your groups." |
| 14:36.51 | zenzio | remember that from my guild back in BC |
| 14:37.04 | zenzio | no need to worry about getting invited \o/ |
| 14:38.38 | VIad | hehe, this would mostly be for pugging :P |
| 14:38.45 | VIad | or world bosses camping and such |
| 14:38.58 | karl_w_w | VIad isn't in a guild |
| 14:39.00 | karl_w_w | or something |
| 14:39.02 | VIad | jupp |
| 14:39.05 | VIad | I pug raids always |
| 14:39.12 | VIad | so my point of view is always from the non-guild raider guy |
| 14:39.27 | karl_w_w | ie. the crazy guy |
| 14:40.34 | VIad | believe it or not there is a big pugging community on all realms, why not show them some love too? ;D |
| 14:41.05 | karl_w_w | because a significant portion of wow players are total asshats |
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| 14:41.29 | Stanzilla | like me |
| 14:42.41 | karl_w_w | and a larger portion are just useless |
| 14:42.56 | Stanzilla | like VIad |
| 14:42.59 | Stanzilla | runs away |
| 14:43.07 | VIad | : |
| 14:43.08 | VIad | :P |
| 14:44.58 | karl_w_w | im surprised by just how cheaply you can buy 2nd hand laptops on ebay |
| 14:45.54 | Lopeppeppy | You get what you pay for, after all. |
| 14:48.35 | karl_w_w | im talking like, $200 for current generation reportedly barely used |
| 14:49.14 | chiel | so i made a small node thing that fetches data from the character api and stores it in redis \o/ |
| 14:49.22 | chiel | now i need to decide what i actually want to do with said data |
| 14:49.23 | chiel | :p |
| 14:49.27 | Lopeppeppy | Reported. And who is the seller, what money/information laundering scheme is it part of? |
| 14:50.37 | Rythal | $200 for current gen sounds fishy... $200 for last gen I could see, I buy core2duo's with 4gb ram offlease for $150-$200 |
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| 14:53.50 | Fisker | hey Stanzilla |
| 14:53.52 | Fisker | lets hug |
| 14:54.07 | Lopeppeppy | No, don't hug him, he's crazy. |
| 14:54.15 | Stanzilla | hugs Fisker |
| 14:54.22 | Fisker | explodes |
| 14:54.23 | Rythal | watch for the poison ring |
| 15:02.55 | pompy | zenzio: (12/17/2012 9:36:41 AM) zenzio: "In 15 seconds, all members of rank 'raider' or higher will be invited to the raid. Leave your groups." .......is that still used today or do people use something else now? |
| 15:03.53 | Stanzilla | we use it |
| 15:04.35 | pompy | yeah we do to |
| 15:04.58 | pompy | too* |
| 15:05.44 | zenzio | my guild still does |
| 15:16.54 | karl_w_w | http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/IBM-Lenovo-Quad-Core-i7-3rd-Gen-Turbo-3-1-Ghz-750GB-8GB-RAM-DVD-Writer-Hi-Fi-/130820045626?pt=AU_comp_laptop&hash=item1e757b7b3a like that |
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| 15:25.26 | karl_w_w | the world also seems to be full of dell latitudes |
| 15:26.03 | nebula169 | that seems super sketchy, look at all the "pre-loaded" software |
| 15:33.37 | Lopeppeppy | The adobe suite pre-loaded? The software is worth a hell of a lot more than 300 bucks. |
| 15:35.20 | Lopeppeppy | They've had this computer open and imaged it, and yet they're selling it as brand new, unused, unopened? |
| 15:35.46 | Maldivia | or just using stock photos from lenovo's site |
| 15:36.12 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe. I was comparing what they said in the list of programs to how it was listed on ebay. |
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| 15:49.00 | Unkle | STATION |
| 15:50.34 | Lopeppeppy | Yahoo. Station. |
| 15:50.37 | Maldivia | wagon |
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| 15:53.11 | Unkle | So I went to a "new to me" dining establishment last night, and looked over their wine list. They had a category of "Interesting Reds" and I like red wine, so I ordered a glass of the Syrrah on that list. "Interesting" is a apprently wine drinking code for "dull and flavorless." |
| 15:55.20 | Maldivia | you got it the wrong way - it's interesting for the waiters, so see which customers fall for it |
| 15:56.16 | Unkle | Yeah, apparently. |
| 15:56.24 | Unkle | I was most displeased. |
| 15:56.44 | Maldivia | at least you only got a glass, and not a bottle |
| 15:57.11 | Unkle | Yeah, and I consider it an $11 lesson rather than a fleecing. |
| 15:58.15 | cbreak | if you want to drink something interesting, try green tea. |
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| 15:59.20 | karl_w_w | or a slippery nipple |
| 15:59.28 | Unkle | "green" tea is interesting only when you consider that there's no objective standard for what constitutes "green tea." You end up with something different each time you order it. |
| 16:00.34 | cbreak | tea is a species of plant, green tea is just that plant dried. There's a huge range of different flavours you can get from that. |
| 16:01.37 | Unkle | I like tea. A lot. :) There are some fantastic blends. I'm just too lazy to do all the prep work each time I want a cuppa. |
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| 16:04.21 | cbreak | I usually just heat water, pour water over tea, wait some minutes, take out leaves, drink. |
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| 16:07.09 | Unkle | Yeah, I don't have a tea ball, or a kettle, or any of that stuff at the moment. So making tea is "find a pot, boil water, discover there are no clean mugs, so wash one, then find a strainer, discover it needs a washing, pour hot water... discover there's no sugar or honey ... give up on tea and have a beer or cola instead." |
| 16:07.37 | cbreak | suggar and honey in tea?! |
| 16:07.42 | VIad | why isn't raid# unit same for all raid? |
| 16:07.47 | Unkle | Depends on the tea. |
| 16:08.05 | VIad | party fine, you are party0 that don't exist :P but raid# should be universal for all |
| 16:08.17 | Unkle | No it shouldn't. |
| 16:08.22 | cbreak | VIad: you are always the last member of your party in your raid |
| 16:08.31 | Maldivia | is raid[last] still player? |
| 16:08.46 | Maldivia | guess so :) |
| 16:10.16 | karl_w_w | you do realise you can get tea leaves in bags for easy removal, right? |
| 16:11.16 | Unkle | You realize I'm using hyperbole for the sake of humor, right? |
| 16:12.18 | karl_w_w | oh is that so? you needn't have bothered, it wasn't funny :D |
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| 16:12.39 | VIad | but why not have it so raid5 is the same for all raid members? :P |
| 16:12.59 | VIad | and I am not raid10, I am raid9 so the theory fails :P |
| 16:13.09 | Unkle | VIad: Because the roster of your raid is not static. |
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| 16:13.40 | VIad | imo raid# should correspond to the slots in the roster, first slot is 1, second 2, e.g. |
| 16:13.46 | VIad | don't see why not :P |
| 16:14.05 | karl_w_w | that's impossible |
| 16:14.07 | cbreak | VIad: the order of the roster is not the same for all players |
| 16:14.15 | cbreak | as I said: you're always the last in your party |
| 16:14.31 | VIad | cbreak: I am not :P |
| 16:14.32 | karl_w_w | you can't give a unitID to a unit that doesn't exist |
| 16:14.38 | VIad | party or raid cbreak? |
| 16:14.44 | VIad | in my raid I am 9th |
| 16:14.45 | VIad | not 10th |
| 16:14.58 | cbreak | in a raid |
| 16:15.04 | cbreak | there are parties in raids |
| 16:15.08 | cbreak | the 5 person subgroups |
| 16:15.14 | cbreak | you are always the last in yours |
| 16:15.19 | karl_w_w | why does it matter that they aren't the same for everyone? |
| 16:15.52 | Unkle | because the raidID is the same for everyone. |
| 16:16.19 | Unkle | But the sort you apply to your frames will cause them to appear differently. |
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| 16:18.34 | VIad | but the raid# isn't the same |
| 16:18.37 | VIad | my raid5 isn't anothers raid5 |
| 16:18.40 | VIad | different units |
| 16:19.18 | Maldivia | all units are player-specific |
| 16:20.03 | Maldivia | why should raid be different from everything else :P |
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| 16:27.29 | VIad | don't know, just sound weird :P |
| 16:27.43 | VIad | well, not if the roster is different for everyone ofc |
| 16:27.54 | VIad | like in my roster I see 5 names in the party of mine |
| 16:28.18 | VIad | but if it appeared in the same order for my other members, then it would be odd that raid# units aren't the same :P if you know what I mean |
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| 16:30.34 | VIad | asked a friend in party |
| 16:30.41 | VIad | he said that the order of people is same as mine in his raid roster :P |
| 16:31.14 | cbreak | VIad: it shouldn't be |
| 16:31.25 | cbreak | the player should always be the last in his own party |
| 16:31.39 | VIad | I am in a raid |
| 16:31.44 | cbreak | yeah, and? |
| 16:31.47 | VIad | weird, now for him the raid# is the same as mine |
| 16:31.49 | cbreak | you're still in a party |
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| 16:31.57 | VIad | but for raid leader his raid# are different :P |
| 16:32.03 | VIad | we are all in same sub group in raid group |
| 16:32.09 | cbreak | raids are subdivided into parties |
| 16:32.12 | VIad | and everyone appears same order for all groups on their raid groups |
| 16:32.28 | cbreak | and I've so far never ever been anything but the last in my party |
| 16:32.37 | cbreak | which is anoying when doing raid rolling |
| 16:32.38 | VIad | things apparently changed :D |
| 16:32.44 | VIad | because I am not the last ;) |
| 16:32.55 | VIad | I am raid9 as the raid roster suggests :D |
| 16:32.57 | VIad | on my end at least |
| 16:33.06 | cbreak | so, is there a raid10? |
| 16:33.32 | karl_w_w | but why does it matter? |
| 16:36.37 | Adys | Mikk: our server is fucking awful. |
| 16:36.40 | Adys | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/challenge/dungeon/scholomance/realm/bloodhoof/#page=4 |
| 16:36.51 | Adys | 2 hours 24 mins 30 secs for a scholomance challenge run |
| 16:37.00 | VIad | cbreak: raid10 is the last guy in the raid, not me :3 |
| 16:37.06 | cbreak | weird. |
| 16:37.09 | VIad | well, the thing is |
| 16:37.13 | VIad | if you do a raid roll 1-10 |
| 16:37.17 | VIad | and you /tar raid# :P |
| 16:37.22 | VIad | you would assume you target the winner |
| 16:37.24 | VIad | but it seems to vary |
| 16:37.41 | cbreak | maybe I am only last because I am raid leader. Hmm... |
| 16:37.53 | VIad | sometimes some people have different characters on that unit, other times like now every in my group seem to have the right units :P lol |
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| 16:40.07 | VIad | in any case it would just be more logical having units in a raid be the same no mater ^^ as it appears to be right now in my raid :D |
| 16:40.14 | VIad | but maybe it's different for the raid leader, lol |
| 16:46.44 | Cairenn | Morning |
| 16:50.13 | Maldivia | good morning Cairenn - and how are you on this fine Monday? |
| 16:50.25 | Cairenn | Doing well enough. You? |
| 16:51.17 | Maldivia | doing quite fine myself, thank you |
| 16:54.41 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://pastebin.com || 5.1.x ToC: 50100 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || Battletags: http://goo.gl/2bm7n || This channel is logged, via purl || Happy Birthday jnwhitehead! || On the bright side, if the Mayans are right, this is the last Monday you'll have to deal with. |
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| 17:00.39 | VIad | mayans didn't have leap years and their calendar expired some months ago... pointless mayan talk is pointless :P |
| 17:01.07 | Shirik | pets Cairenn |
| 17:01.07 | nevcairiel | what does leap years have to do with anything? |
| 17:01.12 | nevcairiel | besides, the calendar didnt "expire" |
| 17:01.23 | Cairenn | hugs Shirik |
| 17:01.23 | nevcairiel | it just went into the new "year" if you wish |
| 17:01.31 | VIad | we add extra days in our calendars right? |
| 17:02.00 | Cairenn | VIad: it is just supposed to be silly - laugh at it instead of getting your panties in a wad :p |
| 17:02.01 | nevcairiel | for the simple reason to stay in sync with the sun |
| 17:02.08 | VIad | :D |
| 17:02.12 | Unkle | Only to make up for the irregularities of matching lunar orbits. |
| 17:02.16 | nevcairiel | if that was no goal for them, they need to leap years |
| 17:02.26 | nevcairiel | need no* |
| 17:03.45 | VIad | don't know, but if the mayan calendar is not accounting leap years then I am not sure if their date is the same as ours, tbh, not sure how the mayan calendar even looks right, is the 21. dec date even properly calcualted to match our 21. dec in 12? :D |
| 17:04.27 | nevcairiel | you dont trust these guys to have accounted for leap years when converting between the calendars, seriously? Thats such an easy task :P |
| 17:04.41 | Lopeppeppy | Oiy. Are we reaaaaally? |
| 17:05.01 | karl_w_w | the mayans didn't predict the end of the world |
| 17:05.09 | karl_w_w | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:05.33 | nevcairiel | indeed, the world doesnt end just because our calendar "ends" every year |
| 17:05.39 | nevcairiel | we just go and buy a new one |
| 17:06.15 | Lopeppeppy | The mayans probably tipped the wheels over and started again. |
| 17:06.32 | karl_w_w | so the topic should read "if the loonies with no logical reasoning are right" |
| 17:06.47 | VIad | but nevcairiel we can't just buy a new calendar when the mayan one ends because they don't make mayan calendars in stone anymore :< |
| 17:07.31 | Lopeppeppy | Stone is so retro it stopped being cool again. Lucite is the new stone. |
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| 17:08.18 | nevcairiel | VIad: the mayans hat paper |
| 17:08.22 | nevcairiel | had* |
| 17:08.49 | VIad | where can I order the updated mayan calendar? :D |
| 17:09.17 | Lopeppeppy | Spain. |
| 17:09.20 | Unkle | I say we just encase the entire world in Lucite. |
| 17:10.17 | Unkle | More like the Mayans did a Y2K "This will last a good long time, and at the rate things are changing, we'll have a newer, better system in place before this one stops being good enough." |
| 17:10.32 | karl_w_w | Perspex > Lucite |
| 17:10.45 | Lopeppeppy | Carbonite, like a boss. |
| 17:13.13 | Dagmar | I look forward to 2036, and telling luddites that the Unix calendar predicts the world ending after 0xFFFF epoch time. |
| 17:15.11 | Lopeppeppy | I am such a tired cynic. I'd rather stab people in the eyes than read blogs this week. |
| 17:15.24 | Torhal|work | Lopeppeppy: THIS week? |
| 17:15.36 | Cairenn | smoogles Lopeppeppy, she obviously needs it |
| 17:15.41 | Lopeppeppy | This week particularly, Torhal. |
| 17:15.45 | Torhal|work | Ah, ok. |
| 17:16.01 | Unkle | Social media and news right now makes it impossible for me to listen to media and I must carefully curate my perusal of the internet. |
| 17:16.16 | VIad | xffff isn't 2036 :P |
| 17:16.35 | karl_w_w | Lopeppeppy are you being forced to read blogs or something? |
| 17:17.41 | Lopeppeppy | I do have an element of social media to my job, and it's wearing me right the hell out, this week. |
| 17:23.00 | karl_w_w | get somebody to buy you a pair of baoding balls for christmas :P |
| 17:24.17 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, some lime and rock salt would be nicer. |
| 17:24.55 | karl_w_w | there's no need to resort to self harm |
| 17:26.44 | End_ | VIad: 2038 and 0x7fffffff then? |
| 17:27.29 | VIad | ffff is 65535 |
| 17:27.38 | VIad | 2038 is 0x7F6 |
| 17:27.40 | foxlit | grumble, mdnsresponder crashes when I try to use airdrop :/ |
| 17:27.48 | End_ | in seconds? |
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| 17:27.52 | VIad | hmm |
| 17:27.56 | VIad | ah seconds :P |
| 17:31.27 | Maldivia | lua> os.date("%c", 0x7fffffff) |
| 17:31.27 | lua_bot | Maldivia: Tue Jan 19 03:14:07 2038 |
| 17:31.44 | VIad | I always wondered why 7f and not ff? |
| 17:32.02 | karl_w_w | because 7 is different to f |
| 17:32.15 | Maldivia | because 0x7fffffff is the highest posive number in a signed 32-bit integer |
| 17:32.31 | VIad | I see |
| 17:32.40 | karl_w_w | no you don't! :P |
| 17:32.42 | VIad | it uses the first bit to indicate negatives |
| 17:33.11 | VIad | but not sure why one would need to have negatives when it's time :D |
| 17:33.25 | Maldivia | to have dates before 1970 ? |
| 17:33.26 | VIad | if you store it unsigned I guess? |
| 17:33.30 | VIad | :D |
| 17:33.34 | VIad | ah right |
| 17:33.48 | Maldivia | lua> os.date("%c", -0x7fffffff) |
| 17:33.49 | karl_w_w | because not signing your integers is recipe for stack overflow? |
| 17:33.49 | lua_bot | Maldivia: Fri Dec 13 20:45:53 1901 |
| 17:33.49 | VIad | not often I use a timestamp on dates pre 1970 you see ^^ |
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| 17:35.48 | VIad | why was 1970 picked btw? |
| 17:35.53 | VIad | was timestamps invented that date? |
| 17:36.11 | VIad | why wasn't the summer of 69 picked as the start of the timestamp counter? :D |
| 17:36.30 | Humbedooh | and why january 1st! why not october 17th ;o |
| 17:36.47 | VIad | exactly |
| 17:36.52 | karl_w_w | 1970 is the year electricity was invented by his royal highness thomas jefferson |
| 17:37.31 | Humbedooh | kk |
| 17:37.53 | Humbedooh | and here I thought it was discovered and not invented ;o |
| 17:38.31 | karl_w_w | how foolish of you |
| 17:40.07 | Maldivia | VIad: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_epoch - that should give you some info |
| 17:42.08 | karl_w_w | I have a new favourite thing, YUMI |
| 17:42.33 | Maldivia | isn't that a weapon ? |
| 17:42.59 | karl_w_w | that's yumi |
| 17:43.32 | karl_w_w | "[YUMI] can be used to create a Multiboot USB Flash Drive containing multiple operating systems, antivirus utilities, disc cloning, diagnostic tools, and more." |
| 17:45.13 | Fisker | UMI is shit |
| 17:45.17 | Fisker | YUMI* |
| 17:45.24 | Fisker | got something 10 lightyears better |
| 17:45.33 | karl_w_w | like what, your mum? |
| 17:45.51 | Unkle | Seriously? |
| 17:46.36 | Fisker | my mom is incapable of containing any operating system |
| 17:46.56 | Unkle | A digital one at least. |
| 17:47.18 | Fisker | for now anyway |
| 17:47.22 | Fisker | but sry |
| 17:47.27 | Fisker | multiboot usb flash drive = lol |
| 17:47.38 | Fisker | only advantage is that you can use existing hardware |
| 17:47.46 | Fisker | http://isostick.com/ master race |
| 17:49.27 | karl_w_w | pointless fisker |
| 17:49.33 | Fisker | nope |
| 17:50.01 | karl_w_w | pointless Fisker |
| 17:50.06 | Fisker | nope |
| 17:50.28 | karl_w_w | point me to an OS that can't mount an iso and I'll point at a pointless OS |
| 17:51.15 | Fisker | the most important one karl_w_w |
| 17:51.17 | Fisker | BIOS |
| 17:51.20 | Fisker | bam |
| 17:51.21 | Fisker | mad? |
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| 17:51.52 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulIOrQasR18 <-this is the isostick rapping about operating systems |
| 17:52.10 | karl_w_w | that makes no sense Fisker |
| 17:52.19 | karl_w_w | bioses don't need to access isos |
| 17:52.57 | Fisker | then why are you looking to boot from a usb stick if it doesn't need it? |
| 17:53.42 | karl_w_w | I'm not looking to, it's done |
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| 17:54.22 | SuperPortia|mobi | Afternoon all |
| 17:54.29 | Fisker | but why do you do it if it's unnecessary? |
| 17:54.38 | karl_w_w | and look at that, i didnt need to try and spend too much money for something so simple but is out of stock anyway |
| 17:55.00 | karl_w_w | bioses still dont need to access isos |
| 17:55.10 | karl_w_w | they access boot loaders |
| 17:55.26 | Fisker | stop arguing over semantics because you realize you were owned |
| 17:55.37 | Mr_Rabies | "Hey man, go meet up with whoever at the ruins of ogu-NOPE, HEARTHING RIGHT NOW" |
| 17:55.43 | karl_w_w | rofl |
| 17:55.50 | karl_w_w | I think you're high Fisker |
| 17:55.56 | Fisker | not at all |
| 17:56.11 | karl_w_w | then what are you talking about |
| 17:57.01 | Fisker | well you were the one that dragged the OS nonsense into the discussion |
| 17:57.02 | karl_w_w | bioses dont access iso images |
| 17:57.07 | Fisker | so you're the one that's high |
| 17:57.28 | Fisker | i'm simply following your train of thought in case you might understand |
| 17:57.40 | Fisker | at which point you've realized you got owned, and are instead now arguing over semantics |
| 17:57.47 | Fisker | the simple fact remains Isostick > YUMI |
| 17:57.48 | Fisker | sry |
| 17:57.55 | karl_w_w | no you pointed it in the direction you wanted to go because you know all OSes can mount isos |
| 17:58.12 | Fisker | that's not what either Isostick and YUMI is about |
| 17:58.13 | Fisker | so no |
| 17:58.18 | Fisker | better luck next time karl_w_w |
| 17:58.19 | karl_w_w | exactly |
| 17:59.03 | karl_w_w | that's my point, either the bios boots something on isostick or it boots something on a usb set up by YUMI |
| 17:59.09 | karl_w_w | the difference is nil |
| 17:59.15 | Fisker | it isn't |
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| 18:00.41 | End_ | isostick sounds like the usb stick itself is special |
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| 18:01.10 | SuperPortia_ | Question, anyone familiar with the wowdb API? |
| 18:01.16 | End_ | also it doesn't sound like you can actually buy them? |
| 18:01.21 | SuperPortia_ | Anyone know if it's for public consumption? |
| 18:01.27 | Fisker | The isostick basically emulates a dvd/blu-ray drive |
| 18:01.34 | karl_w_w | you're right, a usb set up by YUMI costs $10, isostick would cost more if there were any to buy |
| 18:01.46 | Fisker | hey karl_w_w |
| 18:01.46 | End_ | I have usb sticks laying around |
| 18:02.19 | Fisker | provide me a YUMI stick capable of booting 4 different versions of Ubuntu, Server 2012, Server 2008 R2, Windows 7, Windows 8 in both BIOS and EFI compatible modes |
| 18:02.33 | End_ | I can't even find where I could buy a isostick outside of a kickstarter that ended a while ago |
| 18:02.52 | Fisker | Also |
| 18:02.56 | Fisker | When you've figured that out |
| 18:03.02 | Fisker | Compare that to me copying over 8 .iso files |
| 18:03.11 | Fisker | and you spending 8 hours with YUMI trying to get it to work(because you won't) |
| 18:03.28 | End_ | shrugs. |
| 18:03.55 | End_ | don't even care to compare until its actually generally available |
| 18:04.44 | End_ | oh, I found the real website, instead of a kickstarter |
| 18:04.45 | Mr_Rabies | how much WAS the isostick when you could actually buy it |
| 18:04.49 | End_ | but it says sold out |
| 18:05.17 | Fisker | idk Mr_Rabies |
| 18:05.22 | Fisker | i got it in the kickstarter |
| 18:05.23 | Mr_Rabies | oh, $100 |
| 18:05.36 | End_ | ouch |
| 18:05.57 | karl_w_w | lmao |
| 18:05.59 | End_ | I don't need to multiboot off of a usb stick that badly |
| 18:06.09 | cbreak | what's the problem with that? |
| 18:06.21 | cbreak | bootmanagers can multiboot since ages |
| 18:07.17 | Mr_Rabies | i could see it being good for a technician or an IT guy at a small business |
| 18:07.25 | karl_w_w | good luck spending $90 so that on the rare occasion that you find a bios that can't boot a usb you don't need to use a floppy disk |
| 18:07.26 | Mr_Rabies | but outside of that it's kind of a waste of money |
| 18:07.44 | Mr_Rabies | i'd sooner buy an external dvd-rw or 3 |
| 18:07.57 | End_ | I'd rather just have multiple usb sticks |
| 18:08.36 | Sintacks | boots Fisker |
| 18:08.40 | End_ | but honestly, I don't think I've ever booted anything but ubuntu off of a usb stick |
| 18:08.52 | Mr_Rabies | oh and that $100 is without any inbuilt storage |
| 18:08.54 | Mr_Rabies | :| |
| 18:09.04 | cbreak | I boot mac os x installers off usb |
| 18:09.07 | Mr_Rabies | i was hoping it was at least including a 32gb microsd or something with that |
| 18:09.08 | cbreak | or backtrack |
| 18:10.06 | Sintacks | flash has gotten so cheap |
| 18:10.37 | Sintacks | I remember stealing a 512mb when it was $100 |
| 18:10.49 | karl_w_w | you're a bad boy |
| 18:10.59 | karl_w_w | i still have a 256mb usb |
| 18:11.18 | karl_w_w | im amazed that i ever used to be able to actually use it for anything |
| 18:11.20 | Stanzilla | 64mb here |
| 18:11.22 | Stanzilla | \o/ |
| 18:11.34 | Sintacks | $120 now will get you 128GB |
| 18:11.47 | End_ | I think one of the ones I use is a 512mv...and then I have some 16gb and 24gb |
| 18:11.53 | End_ | mb* |
| 18:12.01 | Sintacks | I have 3 4GBs |
| 18:12.10 | Sintacks | ibe if tge... er |
| 18:12.14 | Sintacks | one of them is the D3 CE one |
| 18:12.19 | Sintacks | and the only thing on it is memtest |
| 18:12.21 | karl_w_w | more importantly, $32 will get you 64gb |
| 18:12.32 | SuperPortia_ | What we need it the ability to boot off of MicroSD from a USB device. |
| 18:12.36 | Sintacks | lolol. |
| 18:12.38 | Sintacks | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820323009 |
| 18:12.40 | Sintacks | $123. |
| 18:12.42 | Sintacks | 8GB |
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| 18:12.58 | Sintacks | (yes, it has hardware encryption, that's not hte point) |
| 18:14.02 | Sintacks | The biggest one ironkey offers is 16GB for $202 |
| 18:20.00 | mikma | sintacks: yeah, i'd go with the ones that have hardware buttons for code entry |
| 18:20.39 | SuperPortia_ | Anyone know the URL structure for the WoWDB NPC api? |
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| 18:22.52 | Fisker | what do you mean SuperPortia_ ? |
| 18:23.00 | Fisker | it's simply their npc id |
| 18:23.03 | Fisker | that's a game thing |
| 18:23.05 | Fisker | not a wowdb thing |
| 18:23.12 | Fisker | wowhead uses the same |
| 18:23.41 | SuperPortia_ | http://www.wowdb.com/api/spell/110051 <== API for spells |
| 18:23.48 | SuperPortia_ | It gives you back JSONP |
| 18:24.32 | SuperPortia_ | There's a similar one for items where you replace spell with item. But using wowdb.com/api/npc/1234 doesn't work. |
| 18:25.22 | Stanzilla | why do you need that? |
| 18:25.49 | SuperPortia_ | I wanted a way to look up a bunch of NPC names and put them into a file. |
| 18:26.20 | SuperPortia_ | Also the data isn't available in game as far as I know. |
| 18:27.06 | Maldivia | SuperPortia_: poke some of the devs for the site then |
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| 18:32.01 | matt1s | Just started playing wow again, and tried to find an action bar mod in the same vein as Discord Action Bars. Any suggestions? |
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| 18:32.40 | TC-work | Stop playing wow? |
| 18:32.58 | TC-work | Also, <3 discord |
| 18:34.35 | TC-work | Alas matt1s, addon authors are learning a very valuable world lesson. Simple shit works better for stupid people, which seems to be the vast majority of wow players. |
| 18:35.41 | Shadowed | not entirely true |
| 18:36.45 | Shadowed | it's more like, you have less people who decide they want to make giant unyieldy addons and then maintain them |
| 18:36.55 | Shadowed | now you have more purpose built things that only do one or two things |
| 18:37.06 | Shadowed | also, obviously, you can't do half of the things DAB did |
| 18:37.33 | SuperPortia_ | DAB? |
| 18:37.37 | Shadowed | discard |
| 18:38.08 | Unkle | jnwhiteh: I totally thought you were getting a puppy. TEASE |
| 18:38.08 | SuperPortia_ | Though add-on management becomes a problem when you have lots of them as well as side-effects of interaction. |
| 18:38.18 | jnwhiteh | Unkle: that was absolutely the intent =) |
| 18:38.24 | jnwhiteh | I'm proud that it was at least successful for you :P |
| 18:38.32 | Unkle | I know, and yet, I still fell for it. |
| 18:38.33 | matt1s | TC-work: ah, hm, I had this setup where I had a grid, 4x5 buttons, where I addressed row 1 with shift+1, row 2 with shift+2, and then I could execute slot 1 with the button 1, slot 2 with the button 2 and so on. And I could also switch the whole grid with a push of a button, but the bindings were the same. It broke with one of the larger WoW updates, so I never found a way to set up something like that again |
| 18:38.57 | Shadowed | You don't really have many interaction issues unless you for some reason decide to say, run Bartender and Dominos at the same time |
| 18:39.01 | Shadowed | or people write their addons poorly |
| 18:39.05 | Shadowed | (which does happen very often) |
| 18:39.26 | SuperPortia_ | Or two add-ons want to occupy the same position on the screen. |
| 18:39.49 | SuperPortia_ | For example one of the add-ons I wanted to write would take up the same space as PetBattleTeams |
| 18:40.03 | Shadowed | So don't use the same position, or make it movable |
| 18:40.14 | Unkle | matt1s: You can replicate that with Bartender or Dominos. |
| 18:40.30 | Unkle | Probably with Ion and a few others, but I don't know those addons well. |
| 18:40.34 | SuperPortia_ | Well my current solution is to detect PetBattleTeams |
| 18:40.40 | Shadowed | That's a very non-issue. It's generally a bad idea to rely on exact positioning of something like docking to the frames |
| 18:40.47 | Humbedooh | jnwhiteh: what kind of puppy?! |
| 18:40.53 | Shadowed | because someone else might do the same thing, and now you have to detect that addon too |
| 18:40.58 | SuperPortia_ | Because only one person can dock? |
| 18:41.03 | jnwhiteh | Humbedooh: lol its not a puppy, its http://amzn.to/ZdmrnT |
| 18:41.18 | Shadowed | It's not that only one person can dock, it's that you should make it so it's not a requirement. |
| 18:41.20 | Humbedooh | that's no puppy :\ |
| 18:41.20 | jnwhiteh | I just wrote it in an.. ambiguous way :P |
| 18:41.23 | Shadowed | And then you make it an option |
| 18:41.25 | Unkle | jnwhiteh: Also, thank you for posting something that wasn't a screed on issues of the day. |
| 18:41.29 | Humbedooh | jnwhiteh, you disappoint me! |
| 18:41.31 | jnwhiteh | 'I am happy to announce that Tom and I will soon have a new member of our family. There was a question of whether or not our landlord would have a problem with it, but we have been given the okay. He's German, and we're looking forward to giving him a good home, with many years to come!' |
| 18:41.36 | jnwhiteh | Unkle: =) |
| 18:41.41 | Shadowed | If they have another addon that docks, they can make the decision to undock yours or the other |
| 18:41.56 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh: you are adopting Stanzilla? |
| 18:42.02 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 18:42.04 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 18:42.06 | jnwhiteh | amazon.de can blow me |
| 18:42.07 | jnwhiteh | so hard to use |
| 18:42.14 | jnwhiteh | but it gives me delicious things |
| 18:42.18 | Shadowed | Generally trying to make smart choices like that for the user isn't the best decision. You're better off making it obvious that they can configure it if it has conflicts |
| 18:42.21 | Lopeppeppy | .... *gigglesnark* |
| 18:42.21 | nevcairiel | i never have issues with it |
| 18:42.22 | jnwhiteh | like EU wii power supplies and Kitchenaid mixers |
| 18:42.27 | nevcairiel | but then, i understand what it tells me |
| 18:42.28 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: you speak german :P |
| 18:42.31 | matt1s | Unkle: oh? I thought there was some kind of limitation in WoW now, where you can't rebind slots during combat or something like that |
| 18:42.39 | jnwhiteh | I find amazon.fr easier to use, actually |
| 18:42.48 | nevcairiel | why not go .co.uk? |
| 18:42.53 | jnwhiteh | they aren't EU power |
| 18:42.55 | Humbedooh | refrains from commenting on jnwhiteh's sentence.. |
| 18:42.58 | jnwhiteh | so we can't buy appliances there =/ |
| 18:42.58 | SuperPortia_ | I love my Kitchen Aid mixer. |
| 18:43.04 | nevcairiel | i see |
| 18:43.06 | jnwhiteh | so its .de or .fr |
| 18:43.07 | Lopeppeppy | jnwhiteh, I'm coming to kidnap your german housemate. ASAP. |
| 18:43.09 | jnwhiteh | which is frustrating |
| 18:43.13 | jnwhiteh | Lopeppeppy: come |
| 18:43.15 | jnwhiteh | we make cookies! |
| 18:43.16 | jnwhiteh | srsly |
| 18:43.17 | jnwhiteh | couch |
| 18:43.19 | jnwhiteh | comfortable |
| 18:43.19 | jnwhiteh | <3 |
| 18:43.31 | Lopeppeppy | Mmmm. Swedish couch, cookies. |
| 18:43.33 | nevcairiel | its quite an expensive machine for making cookies, imho |
| 18:43.39 | nevcairiel | but then, i dont bake much |
| 18:43.40 | jnwhiteh | CURSE YOUR TONGUE |
| 18:43.44 | Humbedooh | maybe they're good cookies! |
| 18:43.45 | Unkle | matt1s: I use Dominos, and I page bars based on modifier keys - you can bind a macro to switch bar pages if you want them to switch more than temporarily. |
| 18:43.45 | SuperPortia_ | CURSE IT! |
| 18:43.48 | Lopeppeppy | That thing f'ing rocks, nevcairiel. Die in a fire, infidel. |
| 18:43.58 | jnwhiteh | its for cookies, waffles, cookies+waffles (wookies), pancakes, cakes, PANS, EVERYTHING! |
| 18:43.59 | nevcairiel | its still a lot of money! |
| 18:44.02 | SuperPortia_ | They really are awesome. |
| 18:44.12 | SuperPortia_ | Mine was handed down from my mother. |
| 18:44.18 | SuperPortia_ | They last forever. |
| 18:44.19 | Lopeppeppy | Bread dough - it kneads your dough once, it paid for itself. |
| 18:44.19 | Unkle | It is a very awesome mixer. |
| 18:44.20 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: it was fake money |
| 18:44.27 | nevcairiel | curse money? |
| 18:44.29 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 18:44.40 | jnwhiteh | and it was half tom's christmas present |
| 18:44.41 | nevcairiel | well then! |
| 18:44.43 | jnwhiteh | and half luxury |
| 18:44.44 | jnwhiteh | so =) |
| 18:44.48 | SuperPortia_ | I make pecan pie with mine a lot. |
| 18:45.01 | jnwhiteh | we need to get the glass bowl |
| 18:45.03 | jnwhiteh | and I'll be happy |
| 18:45.06 | SuperPortia_ | Also we made fresh pasta. |
| 18:45.09 | Unkle | You are now going to be required to make and ship baked treats. REQUIRED I SAY! |
| 18:45.13 | jnwhiteh | I'd use that more than the metal one |
| 18:45.25 | jnwhiteh | Unkle: =) |
| 18:45.44 | SuperPortia_ | Seriously who doesn't need a strong motor that does everything in their kitchen? |
| 18:45.49 | SuperPortia_ | You can grid meat with it! |
| 18:45.57 | Lopeppeppy | Make pasta. And ice cream. |
| 18:46.03 | jnwhiteh | mmm |
| 18:46.05 | jnwhiteh | pasta ice cream |
| 18:46.07 | jnwhiteh | sounds yummy |
| 18:46.09 | jnwhiteh | okay |
| 18:46.13 | jnwhiteh | going to see the hobbit |
| 18:46.13 | Unkle | My kitchen lacks certain important things.... like a staff |
| 18:46.14 | jnwhiteh | in 3d |
| 18:46.16 | jnwhiteh | =( |
| 18:46.18 | jnwhiteh | no choice |
| 18:46.25 | jnwhiteh | byeee! |
| 18:46.27 | Unkle | See it in HFR 3D. |
| 18:46.28 | SuperPortia_ | It was good |
| 18:46.30 | SuperPortia_ | Later. |
| 18:46.33 | Shadowed | hey if I'm going to see anything in 3D |
| 18:46.33 | mikma | oh yes |
| 18:46.35 | Shadowed | it would be the hobbit |
| 18:46.37 | Shadowed | and I hate 3D |
| 18:46.39 | mikma | EYEGASM! |
| 18:46.44 | mikma | 3D HFR <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 |
| 18:47.02 | SuperPortia_ | New Zealand we love how you look. |
| 18:47.27 | nevcairiel | i wish they made a 2D HFR variant, i've been told the 3D isnt even very impressive (not counting the HFR) |
| 18:47.52 | SuperPortia_ | Can you no longer private message in the wow forums? |
| 18:48.03 | Shadowed | you could never PM on the wow forums? |
| 18:48.09 | Shadowed | or do you mean WoWI |
| 18:48.12 | mikma | nevcairiel: "i've been told" =! "i have seen and i know" :O |
| 18:48.34 | karl_w_w | so people tell me chrome is good so i finally start it up, import my settings, already it's not as good as firefox; it doesn't support live bookmarks |
| 18:48.35 | pompy | http://www.facebook.com/NVIDIAGeForce/posts/349638621802020 |
| 18:48.35 | nevcairiel | i personally never find the 3D very impressive |
| 18:49.23 | Lopeppeppy | 3D in the Pirhana movie was AWESOME. Breast implants floating like jellyfish among the crowd. |
| 18:50.21 | alestane | Sounds like it was awesome the way a train wreck is awesome, Peppy. |
| 18:50.43 | karl_w_w | uninstalls chrome after 2 minutes of use |
| 18:50.59 | Lopeppeppy | Totally awesome monster movie of giggles, alestane. |
| 18:51.21 | nevcairiel | I usually find the added bluring and the need to wear glasses more annoying then the 3D effect adds for me, if i can i always choose to go 2D, which is why i want a 2D HFR version :P |
| 18:51.29 | Maldivia | Lopeppeppy: next time, try swapping the left and right glass in the glasses |
| 18:52.15 | Lopeppeppy | I prefer 2d, because wearing the 3d glasses over my own glasses sucks. But sometimes it's fun enough. |
| 18:53.29 | Unkle | 3D films largely give me headaches and nausea. |
| 18:53.39 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 18:53.40 | Fisker | i just ate food |
| 18:55.22 | TC-work | Oh good, the steam sale wont start till next week |
| 18:55.34 | Fisker | sauce? |
| 18:56.17 | karl_w_w | covers Fisker in ketchup |
| 18:56.24 | Fisker | why are you mad karl_w_w ? |
| 18:56.38 | karl_w_w | I'm not, I'm fulfilling your request |
| 18:56.42 | karl_w_w | because I love you |
| 18:58.54 | Zootfizzle | Good morning! |
| 18:59.09 | Zootfizzle | hugs Lopeppeppy and throws sprockets at TC-work |
| 19:01.00 | TC-work | Wrong person Zootfizzle, throw them at cogwheel |
| 19:01.16 | Zootfizzle | I'm hoping they'll bounce off you and hit him |
| 19:01.27 | Zootfizzle | If they don't, then you're just blessed with a shower of sprockets |
| 19:02.34 | Zootfizzle | :) |
| 19:03.59 | matt1s | Is this possible: I have a grid with buttons, 4x6. If I press "shift+1" and then "1" I will execute the slot in row #1 and column #1. If I press "shift+2" and then "1" I will execute the slot in row #2 and column #1. If I press "alt+1" the grid is switched to a new set of actions. If I then press "shift+3" and then "1" I will execute the action in row #3 column #1 in the new grid. |
| 19:04.40 | Unkle | Yes. |
| 19:05.02 | alestane | Yeah, chording action bars were one of the first problems used to illustrate state headers when they came out in BC. |
| 19:06.02 | matt1s | Hm I am trying to fiddle with ReAction (http://www.wowace.com/addons/reaction/) bars, but I'm not succeeding with this setup. It is described as inspired by Discord Action Bars |
| 19:07.57 | matt1s | I am having problems with the shift+1 part that should "select" another action bar, but I don't think that concept is valid |
| 19:08.14 | matt1s | I'm probably misunderstanding something |
| 19:09.06 | Fisker | hey Zootfizzle |
| 19:09.27 | Zootfizzle | tacklepounces Fisker |
| 19:09.56 | Humbedooh | judging from your gnomish height, that would be a painful pounce |
| 19:10.31 | Fisker | damn |
| 19:10.32 | Unkle | The way I would do that is to use Dominos (thanks Tuller) - laying out 2 bars in my 4x6 grid. Then I'd make another bar with only one button on it, and have it be a macro that changed the pages of the other bars. |
| 19:10.39 | Fisker | i was bomb triggered by hugs Zootfizzle |
| 19:10.42 | Fisker | i was a bomb* |
| 19:10.47 | Fisker | you found me out |
| 19:11.04 | Zootfizzle | :) |
| 19:11.12 | Zootfizzle | You're my favorite suicide bomber Fisker |
| 19:12.28 | *** join/#wowuidev batrick (~batrick@nmap/developer/batrick) |
| 19:14.19 | *** join/#wowuidev Ooglogput (~Ooglogput@h77-53-157-182.dynamic.se.alltele.net) |
| 19:16.29 | TC-work | http://www.cardsagainsthumanity.com/holidaystats/ |
| 19:21.11 | Lopeppeppy | He's my favorite lutefisk delivery system. |
| 19:22.59 | Lopeppeppy | For telling us how much boar sperm costs... *laugh* |
| 19:23.02 | VIad | lutefisk :P |
| 19:23.20 | Lopeppeppy | Ya, shur, yuh becha. |
| 19:23.42 | VIad | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lutefisk |
| 19:25.27 | VIad | the cod wars |
| 19:27.54 | TC-work | ~whalestab Zootfizzle |
| 19:27.54 | purl | ACTION stabs Zootfizzle with a rather narrow and pointy whale named Montgomery |
| 19:28.13 | VIad | explain to me the whale humor in this channel? :P |
| 19:28.22 | TC-work | there is nothing to explain |
| 19:28.24 | VIad | ~whaleslap TC-work |
| 19:28.24 | purl | ACTION beats TC-work upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 19:28.28 | TC-work | you either get it, or you do not |
| 19:28.33 | VIad | ~whalekill TC-work |
| 19:28.35 | nevcairiel | ~whalenuk VIad |
| 19:28.39 | nevcairiel | ~whalenuke VIad |
| 19:28.39 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around VIad with his mind powers. |
| 19:28.46 | TC-work | ~whaleparry VIad |
| 19:28.46 | purl | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry VIad's attacks. |
| 19:28.46 | VIad | ~whalewhale nevcairiel |
| 19:28.56 | VIad | ~whaleriposte TC-work |
| 19:28.57 | purl | ACTION follows a parry by riposting TC-work's attack with an aerodynamic whale called Mickey |
| 19:29.16 | TC-work | ~whaleshield VIad |
| 19:29.22 | VIad | ~whaledefeat TC-work |
| 19:29.24 | TC-work | ~whaleshield |
| 19:29.24 | purl | ACTION summons a rather dense leaden whale named Billy Bob to shield tc-work from the blast. |
| 19:29.28 | Lopeppeppy | Ever read the entire Hitchhiker's Guide series, Vlad? |
| 19:29.32 | VIad | no |
| 19:29.41 | nevcairiel | ~whaleblock |
| 19:29.47 | Lopeppeppy | Well then, that's your homework, if you would like to understand the whales. |
| 19:30.05 | VIad | an immovable whale vs the unstoppable whale |
| 19:31.43 | VIad | I didn't realize the books written in 1980 had whale nukes |
| 19:32.12 | TC-work | "The more you know" |
| 19:32.13 | Lopeppeppy | Anything is a nuke if you throw it right. |
| 19:32.46 | nevcairiel | plenty talks about nukes in the cold war era |
| 19:33.00 | VIad | http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0007558/ |
| 19:33.39 | nevcairiel | read the books, dont watch the movie :P |
| 19:33.51 | VIad | like hundred movies lol |
| 19:34.00 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3|netbook (~Kaydeethr@wowwiki/Kaydeethree) |
| 19:34.12 | VIad | adaptions |
| 19:34.22 | kd3|netbook | whee, a 4-hour drive later, hello to Huntsville |
| 19:34.26 | karl_w_w | ~whaledance |
| 19:34.29 | Lopeppeppy | Excruciatingly horrible knockoffs. |
| 19:34.37 | kd3|netbook | should go TP the Curse office or something |
| 19:34.39 | VIad | ~whalestomp karl_w_w |
| 19:34.40 | Lopeppeppy | kd3, why are you traveling in so much style? |
| 19:34.48 | TC-work | kd3|netbook: agreed |
| 19:34.53 | VIad | back to work |
| 19:34.54 | kd3|netbook | I'm moving out here in a few weeks. need to find an apartment |
| 19:34.59 | TC-work | but make it used TP for fun |
| 19:35.07 | Cairenn | ewww |
| 19:35.08 | nevcairiel | the 2005 movie isnt actually all that bad, but its still not the book |
| 19:35.13 | karl_w_w | ~failwhale |
| 19:35.23 | TC-work | That's where your line is Cairenn? |
| 19:35.30 | karl_w_w | how is that not a thing |
| 19:35.37 | Lopeppeppy | Is this a fun thing, kd3? |
| 19:36.15 | kd3|netbook | new job (contract work) |
| 19:36.30 | kd3|netbook | largely because I had to get atlanta. was ready for a change |
| 19:36.35 | TC-work | Moving for contract work? that's dangerous. |
| 19:36.35 | kd3|netbook | s/get/get out of/ |
| 19:36.45 | Fisker | hugs kd3|netbook |
| 19:37.40 | kd3|netbook | eh, I know. but I've got ~6 months of living expenses saved up, so if something happens I can survive while I find more permanent work |
| 19:37.48 | Lopeppeppy | Change is gonna do you good. Pack up them doggies, move 'em out. |
| 19:39.21 | Mr_Rabies | atlanta is pretty depressing |
| 19:39.22 | karl_w_w | is that a euphamism? |
| 19:39.28 | Mr_Rabies | that traffic will slowly drive you crazy |
| 19:40.05 | Lopeppeppy | Boston. That traffic will *quickly* drive you crazy. |
| 19:40.32 | Mr_Rabies | boston at least has public transportation, no? :o |
| 19:40.35 | TC-work | I drive in LA, i'm already crazy |
| 19:40.39 | TC-work | and enraged |
| 19:40.51 | Cairenn | TC-work: tell us something new :p |
| 19:40.53 | nevcairiel | roadrage is not good for you |
| 19:41.01 | nevcairiel | or other people on the street |
| 19:41.34 | TC-work | Cairenn: Well there is this thing i do with my tongue... |
| 19:41.40 | Cairenn | tmi |
| 19:41.43 | kd3|netbook | lmao |
| 19:41.47 | TC-work | you asked for something new |
| 19:41.51 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 19:43.51 | Unkle | kd3|netbook: I for one applaud your bold and decisive action. Life is an adventure. Fucking live it. |
| 19:44.11 | Lopeppeppy | Mr_Rabies, sometimes it has public transportation. |
| 19:44.21 | kd3|netbook | thanks. I'm quite looking forward to something different |
| 19:44.55 | kd3|netbook | hey kaelten, Torhal, other huntsville curse folks. I need an apartment. got suggestions? |
| 19:45.04 | Unkle | Also, Atlanta is where rich rednecks go to found companies, and dreams go to die. |
| 19:45.08 | Mr_Rabies | atlanta pretty much never does :( |
| 19:45.45 | Mr_Rabies | the average commute for people that work in atlanta is about 40 minutes i think |
| 19:46.02 | Mr_Rabies | so that's an hour and 20 minutes a day wasted, on average, per person |
| 19:47.43 | *** join/#wowuidev Primer (~daniel@www.ceregatti.org) |
| 19:48.04 | Unkle | Commuting in general sucks. My current commute is 15 minutes each way. Fortunately for me, 5 mins are through areas of vineyards, and it's very soothing and uplifting, almost like meditation. |
| 19:51.11 | TC-work | wow, a whole 15 minutes..... |
| 19:51.49 | Lopeppeppy | Mine is about 10-15, depending on traffic/weather/deer. |
| 19:52.08 | TC-work | I take ~45min to go about 10 miles |
| 19:54.25 | Zootfizzle | I would suggest riding a bike, or mass transit, but you already mentioned it was a commute in LA |
| 19:55.51 | TC-work | mass transit would take longer due to having to take 2 buses. And bike...well, I doubt the people at the office would be happy with a very sweaty me. |
| 19:56.00 | Lopeppeppy | Jet pack is the only option in LA, I think. Or a sled pulled by mountain lions. |
| 19:56.11 | TC-work | Oh...I like number 2 |
| 19:56.23 | TC-work | they could eat people bothering me on the way |
| 19:56.33 | Primer | Yeah, try commuting in LA |
| 19:56.50 | Primer | I commute 30 miles each way |
| 19:57.00 | Fisker | bulk up TC-work |
| 19:57.04 | Fisker | the ladies will love it |
| 19:57.05 | Primer | driving through the picturesque south central LA |
| 19:57.21 | Lopeppeppy | Mountain lions do need regular feeding, TC, so it would be legit to feed them anyone who gets in your way. |
| 19:57.38 | Primer | I guess I should have read more before mentioning LA :) |
| 19:57.45 | Cairenn | Perspective is funny |
| 19:57.45 | Primer | I see that was already covered |
| 19:58.10 | TC-work | No worries Primer, we can commiserate together. |
| 19:58.15 | Cairenn | People up where think nothing about a 45 min to hour long commute |
| 19:58.22 | Cairenn | or more |
| 19:58.44 | TC-work | But is that due to distance or traffic? |
| 19:58.45 | Cairenn | and not just for work, but also for school |
| 19:58.53 | Cairenn | both |
| 19:58.53 | TC-work | or weather |
| 19:59.21 | Primer | I could take mass transit. In fact, the commuter bus, which is very luxurious, goes about 3 blocks from my house in Torrance, to about 3 blocks from my work in downtown LA |
| 19:59.24 | Lopeppeppy | It's very common for people to commute from Albany to NYC, which is 2 hours+/- . |
| 19:59.32 | Primer | the downside? The last bus runs at 7:15 AM |
| 19:59.46 | Primer | and I'm not a morning person |
| 19:59.51 | TC-work | Become one? |
| 20:00.04 | Primer | not gonna happen |
| 20:00.21 | Primer | last night I went to bed around 4AM |
| 20:00.32 | Primer | woke up at 9:30 |
| 20:00.46 | TC-work | That is not enough sleep |
| 20:01.03 | mikma | anyone has any idea if the raidtarget icons have RGB colors defined somewhere? |
| 20:02.17 | Primer | tell me about it |
| 20:02.35 | Unkle | TC-work: I used to commute by bike and bus when I lived in LA. As long as I wasn't going a long way, my bike was pretty good. I would ride 3 miles to class in the morning, 4 miles to work from class, and then 3 miles from work to home. If I wanted to go to the beach or to a gaming session somewhere far away, I took a bus and just sucked up the commute time. |
| 20:03.15 | TC-work | I used the bus system here for about 10 years |
| 20:03.25 | Primer | I would totally take the commuter bus if it ran just a tad later |
| 20:05.37 | Fisker | i once killed a guy in the metro |
| 20:07.58 | Primer | Did you push him onto the tracks? |
| 20:23.44 | mikma | COMBATLOG_OBJECT_RAIDTARGET1= 0x00000001; is that bit.band or something? |
| 20:26.00 | foxlit | yes. |
| 20:37.12 | mikma | apparently there aren't any colors defined for raidtargets |
| 20:37.14 | zenzelezz | so... Planetside 2's keybinds: "Screenshot": no idea what it does. "Start image capture": screenshot... |
| 20:38.20 | Primer | aren't they "standard" colors? red == FF0000, blue == 0000FF, etc.? |
| 20:46.15 | zenzelezz | "On December 21, the decade long effort to rewrite Enlightenment will see the first officially stable release"... so that's why people think the world will go under |
| 20:46.41 | Primer | funny, it's not April... |
| 20:47.19 | Maldivia | ... seriously?! |
| 20:47.42 | Primer | I really loved E back in the day |
| 20:47.53 | Primer | But then I switched to Openbox and never looked back |
| 20:48.03 | zenzelezz | Maldivia: Slashdot says so, in their "Call for questions" post for Rasterman |
| 20:48.14 | Primer | I met Rasterman once |
| 20:48.20 | Maldivia | damn . I thought it was long gone, and burried |
| 20:48.22 | Primer | Odd fellow |
| 20:48.46 | Primer | LWCE 1998 |
| 20:49.29 | VIad | wowhead upped comment posting timer to over 3 minutes :S |
| 20:49.33 | TC-work | zenzelezz: screenshot and video capture? |
| 20:50.04 | nevcairiel | e17 getting a release? in my lifetime? i didnt dream it possible! |
| 20:50.14 | nevcairiel | next up: all the people being underwhelmed by it |
| 20:50.30 | nevcairiel | something thats cooking that long, there are just all kinds of expectations! |
| 20:51.06 | Unkle | Duke Nukem anyone? |
| 20:51.08 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: well, duke nukem was released on your lifetime... here's to e17 being just a massive success... |
| 20:51.12 | Primer | no, worse is it'll depend on Gnome |
| 20:51.48 | nevcairiel | Unkle: well DNF was just terrible, not because it was overhyped and stuff, it was just plain terrible :P |
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| 20:52.08 | Unkle | Of course it was terrible. |
| 20:52.20 | VIad | of course it was overhyped |
| 20:52.55 | Arrowmaster | i think ill stick with Cinnamon |
| 20:55.06 | Humbedooh | mmm cinnamon |
| 20:55.52 | TC-work | eh, DNF had it's moments |
| 20:56.21 | Arrowmaster | i still havent played it |
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| 21:00.47 | Maldivia | uhh... another teaser trailer for star trek: into darkness |
| 21:00.57 | nevcairiel | link? |
| 21:01.03 | Maldivia | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKnRnwuM9WE |
| 21:01.19 | TC-work | A co-worker saw the hobbit over the weekend and said ST had a 10 min trailer |
| 21:01.36 | Primer | yeah, it was awesome |
| 21:01.37 | TC-work | that's like 1/12th of the movie. |
| 21:01.38 | Lopeppeppy | There was no star trek trailer at my hobbit, I was disappointed. |
| 21:01.39 | Maldivia | if he saw it in an IMAX, then yeah |
| 21:01.40 | nevcairiel | we only go a short trailer last week |
| 21:01.54 | Primer | Although I don't recall it being 10 minutes |
| 21:01.58 | TC-work | yea, he saw it in imax |
| 21:02.49 | nevcairiel | i like how they seem to have changed the style of star trek with the re-launch, it seems much daker |
| 21:02.52 | nevcairiel | darker* |
| 21:03.18 | TC-work | The new one had quite a bit of humor. |
| 21:06.26 | nevcairiel | well sure, but imho its still quite different to any previous movies, and i find in a good way. mass destruction of a key planet like vulcan just wouldn't have been a thing in the old star trek, they would've stopped it and everythign would've been good |
| 21:09.17 | Maldivia | I like the relaunch - the cast isn't bad either :) |
| 21:10.11 | alestane | Zachary Quinto seems popular as Spock, and Khyranda was very very impressed by the guy they got to play McCoy. |
| 21:10.40 | nevcairiel | whats a Khyranda? |
| 21:10.43 | Maldivia | Karl urban ? |
| 21:10.57 | Maldivia | who wouldn't be impressed by Karl Urban :) |
| 21:12.29 | alestane | Khyranda is the name under which one of my friends plays in the guild Grounding Totem. I refrain from using real names most of the time in IRC, and this way people who know of this person connect what I have to say with their acquaitance. |
| 21:12.33 | alestane | sp*& |
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| 21:15.22 | nevcairiel | only a small thing, but what really gave the movie part of its new image for me, the bridge of the enterprise finally looked futuristic, the old ones were all just ... old |
| 21:17.53 | Fisker | in which case I as a cyber stalker can find out who it is alestane |
| 21:18.25 | alestane | If you actually care, I suppose you might be able to. |
| 21:18.43 | nevcairiel | he doesnt have to care, he stalks people for fun |
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| 21:19.02 | Neffi | Now this is comedy |
| 21:19.37 | Neffi | I didn't buy this semester's textbook because it's just basic C++ shit I know, so I've been borrowing one every time we do an assignment straight out of it. |
| 21:20.01 | Neffi | It's the last day and I just realized the book sitting below my monitor to raise it up is this semester's C++ textbook |
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| 21:22.36 | Fisker | so |
| 21:23.11 | Fisker | how come each time Apple has a vulnerability in iOS it's "iOS x.x can now be jailbreaked" but when Samsung does it it's "lol android" and so forth? |
| 21:23.13 | Neffi | Just gave me a good laugh >_> |
| 21:23.25 | Fisker | that's a jerk move |
| 21:23.51 | Neffi | I thought Samsung's bootloader were unlocked? |
| 21:24.36 | Neffi | But I suppose it's because of the culture and image Apple maintains of being strict and conservative, whereas Android has the image of being liberal and open |
| 21:25.31 | Neffi | People are apt to view a whole in Android as problematic, whereas they're less inclined to view Apple as having made a mistake |
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| 21:26.04 | Neffi | I actually was thinking about this lately and I think the new CEO is going to bring down their image |
| 21:26.27 | Neffi | Jobs adamtantly refused to apologize or admit mistakes when flaws were found. Eg, look at the antenna issue. |
| 21:26.44 | Neffi | It maintained a strict stance that Apple is always right, and their customer base held onto that |
| 21:27.07 | Neffi | The new CEO is more than willing to admit wrongdoing, as he's done a few times already. He's going to let their conservative overlord stance slip away. |
| 21:28.11 | alestane | I'm sure someone (probably not actually Apple) took the position that the antenna issue was a safety feature to protect you from drunk dialing. If you're not sober enough to figure out the Apple Death Grip, you shouldn't be making calls/texts. |
| 21:28.23 | Neffi | lo |
| 21:28.33 | Neffi | officially speaking yes, the issue was "you're holding it wrong" |
| 21:28.47 | alestane | Neffi, I think it had something to do with Jobs actually believing himself infallible. Mr. Cook seems to resist that urge. |
| 21:29.07 | Neffi | I believe the extremists in Apple culture -- those who view it as equivalent to the next coming of their lord -- depend on the delusions that Jobs enforced |
| 21:29.26 | Neffi | And I think their overinflated fandom has to do with people recognizing Jobs as infallible |
| 21:30.21 | alestane | The thing, which isn't exactly intended to be an excuse, is that Jobs wasn't, as far as I can tell, attempting to dupe people; he actually believed in his own cult of personality. |
| 21:30.35 | Neffi | I mean, technology is a pretty fucking arcane thing to most people. They see it as magic. |
| 21:30.48 | Neffi | They're not likely to trust somebody who doesn't trust himself absolutely |
| 21:30.58 | Neffi | it's sort of like how people love Dr House, but don't trust most doctors |
| 21:31.15 | Neffi | That does seem to be the case |
| 21:31.33 | Fisker | I was just reading some news about that new exploit and someone went "Well that's probably why samsung's executive uses iphones" |
| 21:31.42 | alestane | I came to the conclusion that, especially in 3rd edition and up, the D&D stat charisma actually represents confidence, conviction and self-trust. |
| 21:31.53 | Fisker | and i just told him that it was an unfortunate issue, but basically that happens to any operating system, including iOS |
| 21:31.58 | Neffi | But from helping people with technology, fixing their shit, etc, I've seen a lot of examples of people's common conception of technology as a whole. It's magic. |
| 21:32.06 | Fisker | and he went "Name one exploit like that on iOS" |
| 21:32.19 | Fisker | after i told him that basically every jailbreak in existence is based upon such an exploit he shut up |
| 21:32.20 | Fisker | :o |
| 21:32.44 | alestane | Since they say it's not about looks, but about how easily the person sways people to them, which has a lot to do with how strongly the person believes in theirself or what their doing. |
| 21:32.47 | alestane | they're* |
| 21:32.59 | Neffi | And as a whole people do not trust technology at all unless they view somebody who has an equally arcane understanding of it. My friends and family think I'm some sort of unmatched genius, meanwhile they have zero trust in the people who built their computer or the software on it, |
| 21:33.27 | Neffi | I think that's a key observation alestane |
| 21:33.31 | Neffi | I agree wholeheartedly |
| 21:33.58 | Neffi | A man who truly believes in himself can convince others of his way more than a total master of a topic who readily admits his knowledge is limited |
| 21:34.30 | alestane | It also explains why Charisma was a key stat for sorcerers. When you're manipulating phenomenal cosmic powers that will burn you to a cinder if you slip, by instinct and intuition, the one thing you absolutely cannot afford is to second-guess yourself. |
| 21:34.58 | Neffi | "Granted I'm not climate scientist" is usually where people start disagreeing with me when I run through the science of anthropogenic climate change. But if I speak of it as if I'm an unmatched expert, convincing them is rather easy. |
| 21:35.13 | Neffi | Especially if I play on the fact that most people don't understand half the words used to describe it |
| 21:35.55 | alestane | http://xkcd.com/451/ |
| 21:35.57 | Neffi | I think it's an impact of the effect that nobody is enough of an expert to realize they're not an expert |
| 21:36.17 | alestane | Education starts with learning how much you don't know. |
| 21:36.26 | Neffi | but when somebody with far more confidence in themselves comes along to argue with them, their lack of confidence is made apparent and they're more willing to change their view |
| 21:36.40 | Unkle | The well educated man always feels as if her knows too little about anything. |
| 21:36.56 | Neffi | I agree with that |
| 21:37.15 | Neffi | the more I've learned about any subject, the more I realized I didn't know. I think it's an absolute truth about the nature of information. |
| 21:37.17 | alestane | http://machall.com/view.php?date=2003-09-22 |
| 21:37.21 | Neffi | Information must be practically infinite |
| 21:37.28 | Unkle | The more skill I acquire, the more I feel like I am still lost in the weeds, and someone is going to come along and expose me as an incompetent. |
| 21:37.51 | Neffi | lol I like that xkcd |
| 21:37.55 | Unkle | I've heard the same thing from people who are masters of a craft. |
| 21:38.05 | Neffi | haha I know that effect |
| 21:38.39 | Neffi | I've gotten in over my head in conversations that started out solidly within my knowledge base and ended up with me stretching my knowledge past its bounds with educated guesses |
| 21:38.40 | alestane | And yet, Unkle, those are still the people who accomplish more in their quest to remedy their ignorance than most people do in their blissful ignorance. |
| 21:39.07 | Unkle | alestane: It's that small fact that gives me hope for the future. |
| 21:39.22 | Neffi | Usually when people ask me questions about physics that seem simple on the surface, but then the "but why"s stretch me to explain things on a level I can't |
| 21:39.25 | Unkle | Neffi: I feel like that every goddamned day. |
| 21:39.54 | Neffi | I'm always afraid somebody else there is going to say "wtf are you talking about" even though what I'm saying at least is an educated guess derived from what I DO know |
| 21:40.21 | Primer | You people are deep |
| 21:40.21 | Unkle | Mostly, no matter how smart and well trained I am, the world finds new was of making me feel like an ignorant boob - because there's just TOO MUCH TO KNOW. |
| 21:41.54 | Ackis | Are you fucking kidding me? I just got a call from work that I'm being relocated to the same floor/section as the fucker who assaulted me.... REALLY? |
| 21:41.54 | TC-work | heh, boob's. |
| 21:42.08 | Neffi | Ackis: Ouch |
| 21:42.16 | Primer | Break out the restraining order |
| 21:42.18 | Neffi | If you make an argument, I'm sure that won't go through |
| 21:42.35 | Neffi | I mean, that's a touchy situation and corporate types usually want to avoid lawsuits |
| 21:43.11 | Unkle | Seriously, it's time to point out that you can't work near your assailant. Go to HR. |
| 21:43.24 | Primer | Was this a physical assault? Or did he just bruise your ego? |
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| 21:45.14 | Unkle | It was pretty nasty. |
| 21:45.31 | Unkle | stitches and lots of them. |
| 21:45.37 | SuperPortia_ | This is at Curse? |
| 21:45.55 | Unkle | Ackis doesn't work at curse. |
| 21:46.03 | SuperPortia_ | Oh that's right. |
| 21:46.40 | Primer | And the assaulter was not fired? |
| 21:47.09 | Kalroth | yes he was, they just didnt want to kick him out of the building |
| 21:47.21 | Arazon | What's this? |
| 21:47.29 | Kalroth | so now they're trying make Ackis quit by moving him closer |
| 21:47.41 | Primer | That's what it sounds like to me |
| 21:48.12 | Kalroth | The assaulter's brother being head of HR doesn't have anything to do with it |
| 21:48.30 | Neffi | "320 CBR" means 192 kb/s |
| 21:48.35 | Neffi | Why do people do this? |
| 21:48.39 | Neffi | To punish me for pirating? |
| 21:48.46 | Kalroth | haaaaa |
| 21:48.57 | Kalroth | maybe they meant VBR |
| 21:49.11 | Neffi | V0 is not even 320K |
| 21:49.13 | Neffi | this is cbr 192 |
| 21:49.29 | Neffi | and Ackis, I'm really sorry to hear about this situation |
| 21:49.40 | Kalroth | also if you can hear the difference between 192kbit and 320kbit, then your equipment is so good that you should be able to afford buying your music |
| 21:49.40 | Neffi | You're really awesome. I hope it works out for you. |
| 21:50.14 | Neffi | Kalroth: Sansa Clip+ is the best sounding MP3 player at only $50, and my Thinksound ts02 were a whole $80 as a gift. |
| 21:50.27 | Arazon | Who assaulted what and what the hell does network traffic speeds have to do with it? |
| 21:50.30 | Neffi | It's not so much that I can hear a huge difference, but I definitely here a difference in cymbals |
| 21:50.40 | Primer | hear |
| 21:50.44 | Neffi | And I'm a drummer. It really bothers me |
| 21:50.48 | Neffi | hear*, yes |
| 21:50.50 | Kalroth | Arazon: they were throwing network packets at each other |
| 21:50.59 | TC-work | ~lart Kalroth |
| 21:50.59 | purl | holds Kalroth to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails |
| 21:50.59 | Arazon | I don't understand |
| 21:51.12 | Kalroth | cries. |
| 21:51.16 | alestane | I thought there was a fairly recent XKCD describing the curve of knowledge attainment, its effect on conviction, and the lifetime ceiling. But since I can't find it, it may have been something someone linked on Facebook that was in a similar style. |
| 21:51.18 | TC-work | in pleasure |
| 21:51.24 | Primer | Yes, I hate it when cymbals sound as if they've been run through a phlanger |
| 21:51.35 | Kalroth | I'm a sucker for a whippin' |
| 21:51.55 | Neffi | Also I disagree on your point. NwAvGuy designed a reference-grade headphone amp for around $100 constructed. He also made a reference-grade DAC for around the same price. |
| 21:52.12 | Neffi | You dont need to be rich to have close to pro audio. |
| 21:53.04 | Neffi | Or when you just don't hear the cymbal |
| 21:53.24 | Kalroth | I didn't say rich |
| 21:53.38 | Neffi | There are dozens of different ways to hit a cymbal. If you can't tell how the cymbal is being hit, you're not experiencing the real artwork behind great drumming. |
| 21:54.21 | Neffi | Eg I never realized how amazing the guy from Dave Matthews Band was until I heard it on a good sound system. He's a god-damn drumming master. |
| 21:54.36 | Neffi | Or the drummer from The Police |
| 21:55.00 | Maldivia | what's a cymbal? :) |
| 21:55.05 | Neffi | lol |
| 21:55.06 | Maldivia | heh |
| 21:55.12 | Semlar | a round metal instrument for smashing |
| 21:55.13 | Neffi | </3 |
| 21:55.37 | ccox | Re: http://www.cardsagainsthumanity.com/holidaystats/ - why do I suspect that game and The Oatmeal are somehow connected? |
| 21:55.37 | Neffi | Semlar: I cringed in the way somebody cringes when they see another person getting hit in the balls |
| 21:55.40 | Neffi | poor cymbals |
| 21:55.45 | Arazon | My rommate is a fantastic drummer. This might not mean much but he can perform the entrie drum section of System of a Downs BYOB |
| 21:55.56 | Arazon | *entire silly keyboard |
| 21:56.13 | Neffi | If he likes that type of music, tell him to upgrade to Tool |
| 21:56.32 | Neffi | If he can play all of these to the T, he's amazing: Parabola, Ticks & Leeches, Rosetta Stoned |
| 21:56.35 | Arazon | He doesn't anymore, I don't think |
| 21:56.46 | Neffi | The last one is the hardest, and truly an amazing song drum-wise. |
| 21:57.18 | Neffi | Anyway, I need to get ready for school |
| 21:57.31 | Arazon | How did the sorting project go, Nef? |
| 21:58.05 | Neffi | Handing it in today |
| 21:58.51 | Arazon | Sorta fell asleep after I pasted that snippet of an object. Did you have any questions or comments about it? |
| 21:58.59 | Neffi | Not my best work, but as usual I'll get extra credit for presenting code formatting and ideas beyond the class skill |
| 21:59.00 | Neffi | http://pastebin.com/e9cEvUuR |
| 21:59.07 | Neffi | Nope |
| 21:59.19 | Arazon | Fantastic. Good luck! |
| 21:59.27 | Neffi | I know sorting algorithms and all. Just not too keen on using C++'s more obtuse features. |
| 21:59.44 | Arazon | Right. |
| 22:00.12 | Semlar | are you going to leave that first line in there |
| 22:00.23 | ccox | ouch, you really do need to learn STL |
| 22:00.41 | Neffi | Semlar: We're still at the point of just throwing all our code into the auto-generated Form1.H, and the teacher expects us to do that because it also makes it easier to grade |
| 22:00.50 | Neffi | So i separate my code from the auto-generated shit |
| 22:01.01 | Semlar | ah |
| 22:01.17 | Neffi | ccox: Not yet. It's a really bullshit class. |
| 22:01.30 | Neffi | The real stuff doesn't come until CSC 3xx. |
| 22:01.39 | Neffi | It's still really an introduction class |
| 22:04.20 | Arazon | They don't cover pointers yet, I dont think |
| 22:04.46 | Arazon | I hit design patterns and STL and GUI building in my 3xx class |
| 22:05.04 | Arazon | I think pointers, linked lists, binary trees, etc were in 2xx |
| 22:05.18 | Neffi | Yeah we're not doing pointers until today's lesson, which is the final project |
| 22:05.27 | Neffi | Should have happened 2 weeks ago if not for Sandy |
| 22:05.28 | Arazon | Ouch lol |
| 22:05.37 | Arazon | Good luck dude |
| 22:05.39 | Neffi | All my classes got totally fucked up |
| 22:05.54 | Neffi | I've dealt with pointers in C. We don't do anything more advanced than what I already know. |
| 22:06.03 | Neffi | It's just gonna be a review for something I havent done in ages |
| 22:06.09 | Arazon | Ah ok. |
| 22:06.21 | Neffi | Well now I really have to go get ready. Pushing my time short. |
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| 22:35.57 | Neffi | g'night #wowuidev <3 |
| 22:38.48 | Arazon | <3 |
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